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City of Charleston City Council Workshop 2/18/2021
B
Terrific,
so
I'd
like
to
call
our
city
council
workshop
to
order.
I
didn't
have
a
invocation
on
the
agenda,
but
if
you
join
me
in
a
moment
of
silence,
I
did
this
earlier
today
and
it's
just
heavy
on
my
heart.
To
be
honest
with
you:
pray
for
the
family
of
hannah
who
was
killed
this
past
weekend
in
a
terrible
pedestrian,
auto
accident
here
in
charleston
and
her
family.
B
B
Thank
you
so
much
amen,
so
it
shows
mark
wilbur,
given
the
intro
here
for
our
workshop
I'll.
I
guess
I'll
just
intro
mark
who
everybody
knows,
of
course,
and
thank
him
for
incredible
efforts
over
the
last
couple
of
years
now,
working
on
on
this
project
and
we're
joined
today
by
wes
wilson,
with
the
corps
of
engineers
and
and
our
dear
friends
with
wagner
and
ball
and
and
the
golf
institute
who
have
helped
us
look
at
all
of
this.
B
Potential
new
level
of
partnership
with
the
corps
of
engineers,
which
again
is
very
exciting
to
me
and-
and
I
believe,
will
make
this
whole
effort
even
more
comprehensive
going
forward,
and
then
we
will
be
bringing
back
to
council
next
tuesday
for
second
and
third
reading
the
formation
of
our
three
by
three
advisory
committee.
We've
shortened,
the
name.
I
trimmed
it
down
a
little
bit.
B
I
was
listening,
maybe
not
as
small
as
as
some
suggested,
but
I
got
it
down
from
17
to
14
and
narrowed
the
the
focus
of
the
advisory
group
a
little
bit.
So
we
got
some
exciting
new
things
happening
here
today
and
a
couple
of
announcements,
and
so
with
that
little
introduction
mark
take
it
away.
C
Thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you.
I
I
first
of
all
want
to
thank
all
of
the
council
members
on
the
line
for
taking
time
out
of
their
busy
schedule
today
to
to
attend
this,
and
this
will
be
the
third
time
that
we're
before
you
to
give
you
this
update
and
discuss
this
study
and
the
potential
project
and
really
the
impact
that
something
like
this
will
have
on
the
city
of
charleston
today
will
be
the
most
in-depth
workshop
that
we've
had.
C
We
have
lots
more
information,
although
we
don't
have
all
the
information
but
where
we
don't
have
information
that
we're
getting
we'll
make
sure
that
we
point
that
out
to
you.
Our
goal
today
is
simply
that
to
give
you
as
much
information
as
we've
got
and
let
you
know
what
the
work
will
be
for
the
next
nine
months,
we'll
be
working
on
this
for
the
next
nine
months.
We
really
want
to
hear
what
your
concerns
are.
C
We
really
want
to
hear
what
your
concerns
are,
and
we
want
to
try
to
answer
as
many
questions
as
possible
and
what
we
can't
answer
now.
We
will
commit
to
getting
back
to
you
as
soon
as
we
have
good
answers.
I
don't
want
to
give
bad
answers.
I
want
to
give
good
answers
answers
that
we
can
stand
behind.
C
We
have
a
great
team
of
presenters
today.
They've
put
a
lot
of
work
into
this
and
you're
going
to
hear
in
just
a
minute
how
much
work
has
gone
into
this
whole
project
and
then
at
the
end
of
it.
We'll
have
plenty
of
time
for
question
and
answers
from
the
army
corps
of
engineers.
The
mayor's
already
said,
mr
wesley
wilson,
mrs
nancy
parish
will
be
here
from
wagner
ball.
Mr
david
wagner,
mr
andy
cernard,
mr
lex
agnew
and
from
the
water
institute
of
the
gulf
mr
dale
morris.
C
Also,
I
do
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
all
of
the
city
staff
that
have
been
helping
on
this.
I
can
see
alan
davis
on
there
I
see
mandy.
I
see
christopher
matt
fountain's
been
working
with
this
jason
kronsberg
from
park,
amy
wharton
as
well
as
keith
benjamin
and
our
legal
and
real
estate
team,
and,
most
recently
julia
copeland's
been
helping
me
going
over
some
of
the
documents.
So
thank
you
to
all
of
them
as
well
we're
going
to
be
presenting
all
sides
of
this
discussion
today.
C
C
This
is
too
big
and
too
expensive
to
not
get
this
right,
so
the
more
we
can
discuss
it,
the
more
we
can
open
up
and
the
more
we
can
have
conversation
and
try
to
get
back
the
better
we're
going
to
continue
working
to
get
this
right
until
the
last
minute
and
that
would
be
in
november.
C
A
project
of
this
size
is
not
easy.
We're
finding
consensus
is
going
to
be
incredibly
challenging.
I'm
not
sure
consensus
is
the
goal,
but
to
have
the
best
plan
that
serves
as
many
people
and
as
many
needs
and
is
really
actually
affordable
questions
that
we've
asked
others
and
I'm
going
to
submit
that.
Perhaps
you
may
want
to
get
an
answer
to
by
november,
and
that's
just
for
me
just
some
suggestions.
C
C
If
not,
can
we
working
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers
make
this
a
system
that
is
right
for
charleston
timing
and
money?
These
are
the
two
biggest
and
hardest
questions.
How
much
will
it
cost
and
when
will
we
need
the
money
and
how
much
partners
are
there,
others
that
should
be
helping
to
protect
the
peninsula?
C
And
finally,
this
is
an
opportunity
that
not
every
city
in
the
country
is
getting
giving.
What
we
know
now
about
our
risk
can
we
afford
not
to
build
a
permanent
protection
system
is,
is
a
really
important
question
and
then,
finally,
how
do
we
make
this
a
system?
And
it
goes
back
to
what
I
said
earlier
about
making
sure
this
is
the
right
one
that
serves
multiple
solutions.
C
It's
not
just
a
one
solution
tool
so
with
that
what
I'd
like
to
do
very
quickly
is
turn
it
over
to
miss
bd
wertham,
galvin
from
the
clemson
masters
of
resilient
urban
design,
school
and
she's.
Gonna
talk
just
very
briefly
about
a
project
they
got
going
on
and
we
put
her
up
front
because
she's
got
some
other
things
to
do,
but
we
wanted
to
hear
from
bd
about
the
work
she's
doing
and
how
her
and
her
team
are
going
to
be
working
with
the
city.
Bd.
D
Thanks
mark,
as
mark
said,
I'm
bt,
wortham
galvin
and
I'm
the
director
of
a
fairly
new
program
associated
with
clemson.
It's
the
graduate
program
in
resilient
urban
design
and
what's
special
about
it,
is
that
we
are
100
percent
located
in
low
country,
we're
in
the
cigar
factory
and
and
we
consider
that
really
special,
because
it
means
that
we
can
work
on
issues
in
the
low
country
because
we
believe
the
low
country
is
a
laboratory.
D
One
of
the
things
we
like
to
do
is
collaborate
with
folks
on
current
issues
that
we
are
facing.
So
we
were
excited
when
mark
reached
out
to
us
and
wondered
if
this
was
something
that
we
were
willing
to
study
and
take
on.
So
the
students
are
studying
this
topic.
They
began
in
january
and
they'll
do
their
final
report
and
findings
in
july.
D
So
far,
they
have
met
with
folks
who
are
on
the
agenda
today.
There's
a
lot
of
hard
work
going
into
this
and
we
wanted
to
know
what
the
army
corps
of
engineers
had
already
figured
out.
What
wagner
and
ball
is
thinking
about,
as
well
as
members
of
the
city
staff
itself.
D
I
can
tell
you
just
based
on
their
research
and
the
conversations
they've
had
with
folks
who've
been
doing
parallel
studies
that
it's
very
clear
to
us
already
that
perimeter
protection
needs
to
be
addressed
in
charleston,
and
we
are
hoping
just
to
be
a
one
part
of
that
conversation,
and
we
hope
that
the
thinking
behind
a
perimeter
protection
system
will
set
the
standard
for
others
in
the
us
and
hopefully
even
globally,
who
are
in
coastal
urban
areas
and
we're
hoping
that
instead
of
business
as
usual,
we
can
really
innovate
and
set
some
standards
of
how
we
really
need
to
move
forward
as
a
nation
and
we're
hoping
charleston
can
be
the
place
where
we
can
have
those
conversations
to
set
that
standard.
D
So
I'll
keep
it
at
that,
except
that
we
look
forward
to
continued
engagement
with
all
sorts
of
people
between
now
and
july,
and
we
will
certainly
communicate
with
mark
and
his
team
when
we
have
major
public
presentations
and
invite
anyone
to
to
join
us,
because
they
will
like
this
all
be
on
zoom.
For
now,.
D
Yes,
we
have
seven
students
who
are
studying
this
topic
and
some
of
the
folks
that
are
actually
we
had
a
some
interested
citizens
attend,
including
some
council
folks,
and
we
got
some
really
great
feedback
from
councilman
jackson
was
in
that
meeting
and
I
think
they
can
attest.
Our
numbers
may
be
small,
but
their
effort
is
fairly
mighty
and
even
wagner
and
ball
can
attest
to
that
too.
We
we,
we
aim
for
quality,
not
quantity
in
our
student
body.
B
Well,
b.d,
we
can't
thank
you
enough.
This
seems
like
a
a
match
made
in
heaven,
but
mostly
to
our
benefit.
So
thank
thanks
for
stepping
up
to
the
plate,
and
we
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
C
Okay,
any
other
questions
I
am
not
seeing
any
so
with
that.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
continue
on
so
the
first
part
of
my
presentation
is
really
just
to
set
the
context
of
where
charleston
is
and
then
I'm
going
to.
Let
the
folks
from
the
army
corps
talk
about
their
where
they
are
with
the
study
and
then
the
wagner
ball
team
will
talk
about
their
discovery
report
and
then
we'll
close
it
up
on
the
ways
ahead.
C
But
I
thought
it
was
important,
putting
my
resilience
hat
on
and
thinking
about,
all
the
things
that
are
going
on
in
the
world
today
and
how
important
resilience
is
just
to
really
step
back
for
a
minute
and
take
a
look
oftentimes.
We
we
focus
on
the
here
and
now,
but
but
taking
a
look
back
at
just
what
some
of
the
threats
are
here
in
charleston
that
perhaps
this
project
would
be
able
to
help
us
to
deal
with.
So
with
that,
I
am
going
to
hopefully
get
this
right
and.
E
C
Okay,
can
you
see
that
slide?
Okay,
yes,
sir?
Okay,
good,
all
right,
so
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
going
on
this.
I've
already
done
that
we've
done
that.
So
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
do
was
just
just
introduce
this
slide
to
everyone
here,
and
this
is
some
information
that
we
just
got
from
the
national
weather
service
just
last
week,
so
they've
got
a
their
lead
meteorologist
over.
C
There
is
doing
a
lot
of
data
collection
for
charleston,
and
I
thought
this
was
important
and
I
thought-
and
I
wanted
to
share
this-
so
we
kind
of
look
at
tides
in
the
city
in
three
increments,
seven,
seven
point
five
and
eight
feet
and
that's
all
based
on
datum
of
mean
low
water.
Okay,
that's
what
sailors
use
when
they
move
around
on
the
waters
mean
low
water.
As
you
all
know,
we
begin
to
flood
at
seven
and
eight
foot
is
pretty
significant
tide
for
us
between
1922
and
1981.
C
That's
a
period
of
59
years.
We
had
156
total
tides.
In
the
last
two
years.
We
exceeded
that
tides
above
seven
feet.
We
had
157.
now
keep
in
mind
in
2019
and
2020.
We
had
no
tropical
events,
so
these
are
significant.
These
are
just
high
tides
with
no
tropical
events
for
tides,
seven
and
a
half
feet.
You
can
see
the
numbers
there
and
that
was
a
total
of
77
years
between
1922
and
1999.
C
So
in
two
years
we
we
essentially
tied
what
had
happened
in
77
years
and
then,
if
you
look
at
the
eight
foot,
tides
which
are
really
the
ones
that
cause
the
most
challenges
for
us
here
in
the
city,
it
was
a
total
of
86
years
that
we
had
11
tides
and
then
we
we
captured
that
in
2019
and
2022,
a
total
of
11
tides,
so
things
are
changing
and
they're
changing
fast
over
here.
On
this
other
side,
I
think
it's
just
important
to
note
that
we
face
flooding.
C
We
call
it
compound
flooding
from
a
number
of
different
sources.
I
think
we
all
would
acknowledge
that
the
city
of
charleston
and
our
team
is
just
doing
an
outstanding
job
dealing
with
rainfall
flooding.
We
were
just
talking
about
it
earlier
we're
seeing
the
effects
of
that
we're
doing
really
good
work
with
some
of
the
sea
level
rise
with
some
of
the
check
valves
that
we're
putting
in
those
are
having
a
good
effect.
But
it's
really
this
high
tide,
flooding
and
storm
surge.
That's
coming
on
really
strong.
C
C
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
cost
of
these
events,
and
this
really
shocked
me-
and
I
want
to
say
just
about
everything
that
I'm
sharing
with
you
today
shocked
me.
In
2020,
there
were
22
billion
dollar,
plus
weather
or
climate
disasters,
and
that's
a
new
record.
It's
also.
We
set
a
record
in
2020
of
seven
tropical
cyclones
that
were
billion
dollar
plus
disasters.
C
C
Hurricane
sally,
which
was
a
category
2
storm
in
september
of
2020,
came
ashore
in
gulf
shore
alabama
and
was
a
7.3
billion
disaster
with
five
deaths
in
a
core
logic
report
released
in
2020
on
storm
surge
and
areas
at
risk.
Charleston
is
number
12
of
the
top
15
metro
areas
for
single
family
homes
at
risk
from
storm
surge.
C
So
this
is
expensive.
What
we're
talking
about
the
damages
are
expensive.
The
risk
is
really
high.
I'd
like
to
move
on.
If
I
could
just
real
quick
to
continue
talking
about
the
higher
tides.
What
you're
looking
at
here,
I
think
you
all
can
see.
This
is
from
west
edge.
Looking
towards
the
ashley
river
bridges.
This
was
a
non-storm
surge
event
in
11
2018,
that's
8.74
feet
if
we
use
the
average
high
tide
in
charleston,
which
is
5.76
feet
again,
I'm
talking
in
sailor
language
here
this
is
a
surge
of
three
feet.
C
If
we
look
at
here,
which
we
see
this
often,
this
is
one
of
those
eight
foot-
tides
which,
by
the
way,
the
prediction
on
eight
foot-
tides
is
that
by
2030,
we'll
see
10
to
20
a
year
and
by
2050
we'll
see
35
to
90..
Those
are
the
projections
coming
from
noaa
in
their
climate
center
and
so
far
they
have
been
under
predicting
what's
been
actually
happening.
This
is
an
eight-foot
tide
which
represents
a
2.34
foot
surge
on
top
of
the
average
high
tide,
and
then
again
this
is
hurricane
irman.
C
Just
to
put
it
in
context.
This
is
only
a
four
point:
eight
seven
foot
surge.
Fortunately,
it
came
in
on
a
four
foot.
Two
four
point:
two
foot
died:
it
was
about
a
total
of
a
nine
foot
that
we
had
imagine
if
this
had
come
in
on
a
high
tide-
and
I
think
mayor,
you
probably
remember
we
were
in
the
command
center
thinking
about
when
they
were
predicting
a
13-foot
tide
coming
in,
and
it
really
turned
out
not
to
be
that
much.
C
So,
what's
at
risk
on
the
peninsula
charleston-
and
this
is
I-
I
asked
one
of
my
colleagues
here-
to
do
the
research
on
this
I
didn't
want
to.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
someone
took
an
outside
view
at
it
coming
in,
and
this
is
from
all
documented
sources,
all
footnoted
here.
If
we
look
at
what's
at
risk
on
the
peninsula
from
stuart,
surg,
storm
surge,
currently,
99
of
residential
properties,
98
of
commercial
properties,
100
of
roads
on
the
peninsula,
will
be
inaccessible.
C
C
Medical
1
out
of
every
12
jobs
in
the
region
is
tied
to
musc
medical
as
well
as
2
billion
in
economic
impact,
and
over
75
000
veterans
from
across
the
low
country
rely
on
the
veterans
hospital
here
for
their
health
care
or
some
form
of
their
health
care.
They
have
it
many
outpatient
clinics,
but
this
is
the
home
base
for
them
and
jobs
on
the
peninsula.
There's
almost
40
000
jobs
would
be
at
risk
and
that
could
impact
the
regional
workforce
of
almost
400
000
people.
C
You
can
elevate
homes
and
roads.
You
can
do
managed
retreat.
You
can
use
nature-based
solutions,
they
have
limits,
but
they
certainly
add
value,
and
then
you
can
do
a
combination
of
the
above.
So
hopefully,
that
helps
set
the
context
for
the
conversation
that
we
hope
to
have
today
before
we
go
to
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
I'm
going
to
take
a
real
risk
here
and
I
this
is
really
risky,
but
I'm
going
to
do
it
anyway.
C
This
video
is
currently
online.
It's
not
anything
new,
it's
out
there,
it's
for
folks
to
see,
but
I
don't
most
people
have
not
seen
it,
but
I
just
want
to
share
this
with
you
for
a
minute
this.
If
you
trust
the
technology
that
google
earth
brings
to
us
and
if
you
trust
the
science
of
climate
central
and
I
happen
to
trust
both,
this
is
what
a
storm
surge
if
hurricane
hugo
were
to
hit
charleston
today
would
look
like.
F
C
It
whatever
they
came
in
on
hugo
I'd,
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
it,
but
but
I
can
send
that
link
to
you
and
all
the
other
stuff,
okay
thanks,
but
we
really
worked
with
them
hard,
because
what
we
didn't
want
is
we
didn't,
want
them
going
out
and
showing
something
that
was
just.
You
know
way
inflated
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
right.
We
had
a
team
in
the
city,
we
were
going
through
the
vulnerability
assessment
at
the
time
we
had
that
team.
Look
at
it.
C
Yeah,
that's
a
big
storm.
Okay,
with
that,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
I'm
gonna
now
introduce
wes
wilson
from
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
who
has
been
working
with
us
on
this
project
and
with
him
today
is
nancy
parish
from
the
army
corps
of
engineers
and
they're
going
to
go
ahead
and
give
you
an
update
of
where
the
army
corps
is
on
this
study,
and
I
really
want
to
emphasize
remember.
This
is
just
a
study.
G
Mark
can
you
hear
me
in
my
life
you're
good,
all
right,
so
the
powerpoint's
up
it
is
mayor
mark
we,
we
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
give
council
an
update
on
where
we
are
in
regards
to
the
peninsula
study.
So
I've
got
some
good
information
here,
a
quick
little
agenda.
I've
got
a
couple
opening
slides
and
then
we're
going
to
get
into
the
details
of
optimization,
optimization,
essentially
refining
our
tentatively
selected
plan
from
the
from
when
we
released
it
to
the
public
in
april
of
2020.
G
G
A
while
as
well
thank
you
thank
you
thank
you
and
and
mayor.
You
know,
we've
been
here
150
years.
We
want
to
be
here
for
150
more
years,
so
this
study
is
very
important
to
us.
We've
worked
on
some
pretty
important
projects,
even
starting
in
in
the
1800s.
We
constructed
fort
moultrie
fort
johnson,
fort
sumter,
those
two
big
rock
piles
in
the
harbor,
the
jetties.
We
constructed
those
and
removed
the
sunken
debris
from
the
civil
war,
and
I
think
this
one's
the
most
interesting
we
oversaw
and
constructed
the
state's
first
railroad.
G
So
that's
just
a
little
history
on
the
on
on
charleston
district
and
we've
been
around
for
a
long
time.
G
Yes,
sir,
yes,
sir,
that
was
news
to
me
too
a
couple
until
a
couple
weeks
ago.
So
interesting,
stuff,
okay,
all
right!
So
when
I
go
ahead
and
get
started,
I
I'm
gonna
brag
on
my
peninsula
study
army
corps
team
for
a
second,
we
have
the
best
of
the
best
across
the
country
with
the
corps
of
engineers
working
to
deliver
the
best
product
we
can
for
the
city
and
the
nation
we've
got
sme
subject
matter
matter:
experts
on
all
four
time
zones
working
on
this
project.
G
H
G
G
G
They
all
remain
the
same,
so
we
released
our
draft
report
or
the
tentatively
selected
plan
in
april
of
2020,
and
we
had
approximately
an
eight
mile
storm
surge
wall
around
the
peninsula
with
several
different
types
of
gates.
G
In
addition,
we've
got
three
small
non-structural
areas
with
less
than
150
impacted
residential
homes
that
we
plan
to
elevate
or
flood
proof.
We
also
had
an
interior
hydrology
analysis
where
we
identified
five
permanent
pump
stations
and
finally,
we
recommended
a
wave
attenuation
structure
or
break
water
in
the
tsp,
so
that
gives
everybody
a
quick
30.
Second
commercial,
a
reminder
of
where
we
were
about
10
months
10
months
ago.
G
All
right!
So
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
the
three
ease
of
optimization
engineering,
optimization,
environmental,
optimization
and
economics
optimization.
So
the
first
thing
we'll
talk
about
is
engineering,
optimization
and
basically,
engineering.
Optimization.
One
of
their
main
goals
was
to
reduce
costs
without
changing
the
project
benefits.
G
That's
one
of
the
main
goals
in
this.
What
in
the
engineers
took
we're
working
on
for
the
past
10
months,
so
they
change.
So
one
of
the
things
we
did
was
we
changed
our
planning
horizon.
So
this
is
our
planning
study
period.
We
moved
it
from
2025
to
2075.
G
G
B
G
G
However,
we
apologize
for
not
having
the
results
in
time
for
this
meeting,
but
we
continue
to
do
this
analysis
and
we
will
present
those
as
soon
as
they
are
complete
and
in
addition
to
that,
we
are
refining
our
construction
costs
based
on
the
the
latest
alignment
and
we
will
be
analyzing.
Two
additional
sea
level
rise,
curves,
the
low
and
the
high.
So
the
core
has
a
different
sea
level
rise
curve
than
noaa.
G
So
I
don't
want
to
confuse
everybody,
but
we
did
this
little
graph
to
talk
about
how
the
historical
hurricane
hugo
surge
that
we
had
in
charleston
not
mccullenville,
compares
to
our
proposed
core
wall.
G
I
read
on
several
occasions
that
the
core
recommendation
would
not
stop
that
historical
surge
that
we
received
in
charleston
and
those
tide
gauges
we
saw
in
charleston
were
about
9.39
and
a
vd-88,
and
the
wall
would
reduce,
reduce
the
risk
of
damage
from
hugo
and
many
other
storms.
We
have
experienced
over
the
past
five
years
and
you
can
see
hurricane
matthew
is
in
there
as
well
as
another
comparison.
G
G
G
G
He
did
the
same
analysis
for
historical
impacts.
Again,
the
water
levels
on
the
left,
the
blue
areas
shown,
would
be
a
similar
approximate
surge
hurricane
is
in
charleston.
Half
of
the
historic
structures
on
the
peninsula
are
a
risk
of
damages.
I
think
that's
a
pretty
significant
number
considering
the
number
of
historic
structures
we
have
and
then
with
the
wall,
that
risk
is
reduced
significantly.
G
G
G
The
alignment
changes
were
near
I-26
along
the
ashley
side,
where
it
went
from
green
to
yellow
the
citadel.
We
were
able
to
find
two
areas
at
the
citadel
where
we
could
tie
into
high
ground,
so
we
will
not
have
to
impact
the
marsh
in
front
of
the
citadel
and
then
a
long
stretch
between
brittle
bank
park
to
the
coast
guard
is
now
on
high
ground.
F
G
All
right
so
with
the,
I
think
this
is
a
cool
slide,
so
the
visual
on
the
left
is.
Is
our
draft
attentively
selected
plan
that
we
release
shows
the
wall
height
around
the
peninsula
and
the
picture
on
the
right
is
our
optimized
wall
height,
so
the
the
darker
colors,
the
oranges
and
the
reds
are
10
11
12
feet
high?
That's
what
that's
what
you
would
see
from
a
visual
perspective
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
it
was
significantly
reduced,
especially
around
the
from
the
joe
all
the
way
down
to
the
coast
guard.
G
G
Build
so
we
also-
and
I'm
sorry,
I
know
the
picture
on
the
left
is
very
hard
to
read,
but
the
point
being
on
this
is
we
identified
five
permanent
pump
stations
around
the
peninsula.
The
size
of
these
pump
stations
are
similar
to
the
one
a
little
bit
smaller
than
the
size
that
you
have
at
concord
street.
G
I
All
right,
thanks
wes,
so
during
this
optimization
phase
that
wes
has
been
talking
about
by
moving
the
wall
on
the
ashley
riverside
in
particular
onto
land
like
say,
a
long
lockwood
there
we
were
able
to
reduce
impacts
to
the
marsh
there
in
the
wetland
impacts
from
the
111
acres
that
we
reported
in
our
draft
report
that
went
out
in
april.
We
are
currently
at
around
51
acres
of
impact
now
at
this
stage,
and
we
are
still
working
to
optimize
that
to
reduce
those
impacts.
I
Further
also
part
of
our
optimization
process
is
a
revision
to
the
programmatic
agreement
that
we
that
we
put
out
in
draft
in
april
to
discuss
how
we
will
work
with
our
consulting
parties
and
our
stakeholders
on
treating
historic
properties
and
potential
impacts
to
historic
property,
so
that
is
undergoing
revision.
It's
out
actually
with
our
our
partners
for
review
right
now
and
we'll
be
part
of
you
know
our
package
as
we
release
it
in
the
future,
so
still
in
progress,
things
that
are
ongoing
right
now
is.
I
We
are
continuing
to
review
the
public
and
agency
comments
that
we
received
from
our
draft
report
released
last
april
and
incorporating
those
comments
into
the
report,
and
we
are
updating
mitigation
plans
and
mitigation
costs
related
to
the
wetland
impacts
and
we
are
working
with
our
state
and
federal
partners
on
that.
The
the
other
agencies
that,
like
the
fish
and
wildlife
service,
nymphs
dhec
ocrm,
we
work
in
consultation
with
them
on
what
constitutes
appropriate
mitigation.
I
We
are
continuing
our
visual
impact
analysis,
which
is
related
to
the
aesthetics
of
what
it
looks
like
to
have
a
wall
on
the
peninsula
and,
as
wes
pointed
out
just
moving
it
on
to
land
on
the
ashley
riverside
reduces
a
wall
that
was
maybe
10
or
11
feet
tall
that
you
looked
at
down
to
something:
that's
only
maybe
five
or
six
feet
tall
which
reduces
that
impact.
We
think
significantly.
I
I
It's
similar
to
the
one
that
wes
showed
you,
but
you
can
see
the
green
polygons
on
the
left
illustrate
the
111
acres
of
wetland
impact
and
on
the
right
you
can
see
right
there
in
front
of
the
citadel
is
a
huge
contiguous
piece
of
wetland
that
we
will
no
longer
be
impacting
because
of
the
way
we
we've
optimized
tying
in
the
wall
on
either
side
of
the
citadel
to
keep
ourselves
from
crossing
that
piece
of
marsh
right
there
and
then,
of
course,
all
along
the
marina
and,
as
you
go
down
lockwood
towards
the
battery
there's
marsh
all
along
there,
that
moving
the
wall
out
of
the
marsh
and
onto
dry
land
prevents
us
from
impacting
those
marshes
and
reduces
our
overall
wetland
impacts.
I
I'll
go
to
the
next
one,
please,
okay,
so
I
know
there
were
there
was
lots
of
talk
of
nipah,
the
national
environmental
policy
act
and
and
what
our
obligations
as
a
federal
agency
are
under
that
that
piece
of
law,
then
nepa
requires
that
we
do
that.
I
We
start
with
an
environmental
assessment
to
assess
or
determine
if
our
proposed
project
will
have
significant
impacts
on
what
we
call
the
human
and
natural
environment
that,
and
if
we
have
those
impacts,
can
we
reduce
those
impacts
to
less
than
significant
through
mitigation,
and
once
we've
determined
that
that
can't
you
know,
those
impacts
cannot
may
not
be
able
to
be
reduced
to
less
than
significant
nepa
requires
that
we
then
pivot
to
an
eis.
So
that's
the
stage
we're
at
now.
I
We
we
released
this
report
back
in
april,
we
received
a
huge
number
of
comments
back
from
the
public,
as
well
as
from
our
state
and
federal
agencies,
and
and
determined
that
there
are
certain
impacts
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
reduce
through
mitigation,
and
so
we
we
pivot
onto
an
into
an
environmental
impact
statement,
an
eis
in
order
to
be
able
to
explore
those
impacts
further
and
make
the
smart
decisions
about
those
impacts.
I
In
particular,
we
are
looking
at
those
visual
aesthetic
impacts
that
we
talked
about.
That
was
something
that
was
very,
very
important
to
the
public.
I
The
wetland
marsh
impacts,
impacts
to
our
cultural
resources
and
historic
properties
and,
of
course,
environmental
justice
issues
that
can
arise
from
building
something
like
this
pivoting
now
to
an
eis
will
allow
us
to
determine
if
the
alternative
that
we're
looking
at
disproportionately
impacts
low
income
or
minority
areas.
So
that
is,
you
know,
among
the
things
that
that
are
going
to
be
studied
more
in
depth.
Now
that
we
can
move
to
an
eis,
and
one
note
on
this
shift
that
we're
making
in
order
to
make
the
change
at
this
stage.
I
In
our
feasibility
study,
we
had
to
request
an
extension
of
time
and
money
right.
You
hear
us
call
this
a
three
by
three
study
right.
We've
got
three
years
and
three
million
dollars
to
complete
the
study
well
in
order
to
pivot
to
an
eis
and
to
do
this
further
analysis
on
these
impacts
and
consider
the
mitigation
potential.
I
We
need
a
little
more
time
than
three
years.
We
need
a
little
more
money
than
three
million
dollars
and
getting
the
that
extension
is
a
a
process
in
itself
within
the
corps
of
engineers,
and
so
this
team
has
been
working
very
hard.
This
winter,
to
make
our
case
up
through
our
chain
of
command,
and
in
like
I
guess
it
was
the
end
of
january.
We
got
signed
off
by
the
chief
of
engineers
for
civil
works,
so
major
general
graham
signed
our
request
and
then
it
so
it's
cleared
our
agency.
I
It
goes
over
to
the
assistant
secretary
for
the
army
for
civil
works
and
that
office
ultimately
makes
a
decision,
yes
or
no,
that
we
get
that
extended
time
and
extra
money.
So
as
soon
as
we
hear
from
them-
and
we
are
very
optimistic-
we're
getting
sort
of
good
feedback
that
that
we
should
get
that
waiver,
we
call
it
there's
no
telling
you
know
what
an
office
will
do
and
and
but
we're
hopeful.
We
will
get
it
as
soon
as
we
get
it.
I
Our
timeline
begins
on
our
environmental
impact
statement,
so
the
dates
you're
going
to
see
from
here
on
out
in
this
presentation
are
all
kind
of
assuming
we
get
that
go
ahead
from
the
assistant
secretary
of
the
army's
office
here
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
and
as
soon
as
we
get
that
we
will
begin
the
eis
process,
it
begins
with
a
notice
of
intent
gets
published
in
the
federal
register
for
30
days.
I
So
we're
hopeful
to
get
that
published
in
early
march
within
a
few
weeks
of
that
note
is
showing
up
in
the
federal
register.
We
will
hold
a
virtual
public
meeting,
similar
to
what
we're
what
we're
doing
now,
where
we
invite
the
public,
where
we
can
inform
the
public
on
the
status
of
the
study,
this
change
to
an
eis
and
what
that
process
looks
like.
I
We
will
talk
about
previous
scoping
that
we
have
done
for
the
study
to
date
and
summarize
some
of
the
feedback
we've
received
to
date,
and
we
will
also
share
this
optimized
version
of
the
plan
that
the
public
has
not
necessarily
seen
or
has
not
officially
seen
since
the
draft
report
went
out
last
april
and
it
provides
an
opportunity
for
the
public
to
to
inform
us
of
any
other
information
additional
information
that
we
should
be
taking
into
consideration.
Research
that,
like
like
the
work
that
db
students
are
doing.
I
I
We
will
continue
to
optimize
and
do
our
analyses
like
I've
been
talking
about,
and
we
will
re-release
a
revised
draft
report
for
public
and
agency
review
in
late
summer
this
year.
So
we
sent
one
out
last
april,
we'll
we'll
put
it
out
again
for
public
review.
Much
like
we
did
in
april
it'll
go
for
a
a
45-day
public
review
period
and,
and
then
after
that,
you
know
we'll
get
those
comments
in
we'll
incorporate
that
and
we
will
work
to
finalize
our
feasibility
phase
at
the
end
of
july.
I
So
we'll
take
all
of
that
information
we
receive
and
over
the
course
of
a
year
finalize
our
study
again,
I
know
wes
has
emphasized
and
I
think
even
mark
emphasized
this
is
still
feasibility.
So
it's
shift
to
the
eis
doesn't
change
any
of
that
we're
not
doing
more
engineering
or
considering
new
alternatives.
I
I
This
slide
is
about
our
historic
properties.
We
just
wanted
to
touch
on
that.
The
the
national
historic
preservation
act,
section
106
of
that
act-
requires
that
a
federal
agency
consider
its
potential
to
impact
adversely
impact,
actually
historic
properties.
I
So
we
work
in
consultation
with
the
state,
historic
preservation
office
and
the
public,
as
well
as
significant
stakeholders
and
in
in
charleston.
You
know,
we've
got
the
historic,
charleston
foundation,
charleston
historic,
historical
preservation,
society,
I'm
sorry
they
we
have
been
at
the
table
with
all
of
them
throughout
this
process,
and
so
I
mentioned
that
we're
developing
a
programmatic
agreement-
and
we
just
recently
sent
out
a
new,
a
revised
version
of
that
to
all
of
these
stakeholders
who
will
be
signatories
on
it.
I
They
all
have
a
say
in
how
we
will
treat
the
potential
adverse
effects
to
historic
properties
and
have
input
on
how
we
can
avoid
minimize
and
mitigate
those
impacts,
as
we
go
through
the
process.
I
So
right
now
the
programmatic
agreement,
which
is
like
say
part
of
our
report
and
part
of
our
package,
that
the
public
will
see,
describes
the
process
by
which
all
of
these
stakeholders
will
be
able
to
provide
their
input
on
how
we
identify
the
properties
and
then
deal
with
potential
for
impacts
and
through,
like
I
say,
avoidance,
minimization
and
mitigation,
and
that
process
that
agreement
we
sign.
Now
we
is,
in
effect
through
the
end
of
construction,
so
all
along
the
way,
through
design
and
through
construction.
I
G
Thanks
nancy,
all
right,
thanks
nancy!
This
is
the
final
e
of
our
optimization
efforts,
so
the
economics
part.
So
I
know
you
see
a
lot
of
numbers
there
and
I'll
walk
you
through
first
the
table
on
the
top,
so
the
table
on
the
top.
We
analyzed
three
different
wall
elevations
to
see
which
one
would
give
us
the
highest
net
benefits.
G
Net
benefits
or
the
national
economic
development
plan,
which
we've
mentioned
before
this,
is
what
the
federal
government
will
invest
in
and
a
portion
of
what
we
will
pay
for
the
city
can
make
changes
at
their
own
expense
as
long
as
it
doesn't
reduce
the
benefits.
So
this
is
this
is,
as
you
can
see,
we
go
through
a
very
detailed
process
to
determine
the
level
of
federal
investment
in
regards
to
the
net
benefits.
G
We
still
need
to
refine
our
mitigation
costs
for
wetland,
cultural
and
the
visual
impacts
and
update
the
real
estate
estimates
based
on
our
latest
alignment,
and
that
analysis
is
ongoing
and
then
mayor
mark.
My
final
slide
here
is.
G
G
E
G
We
envisioned
hopefully
we're
out
of
the
virtual
world
by
then,
but
who
knows
we
could
do
some
face-to-face
public
meetings
and
workshops
in
september
and
then
in
november
the
city
is
required
as
part
of
our
final
package
to
submit
a
self
and
financial
certification.
In
a
letter
supporting
the
recommended
plan
in
the
spring
of
2022,
we
will
have
one
more
state
agency
review
for
30
days.
This
is
not
a
formal
comment
period,
however.
G
G
We
are
we
request
funding
by
year
so
year
one
would
be
between
one
and
three
million
year,
two
three
and
five
million,
and
those
estimates
are
rough
right
now
I
mean
we're
three
four
years
away
from
that,
so
they
will
be
further
refined
as
we
get
closer
to
the
dates.
K
G
K
Because
you
know
I
was
keep
hearing
the
west
side
and
down
you
know
up
downtown
when
the
people
are
wondering
say
you
know,
every
time
we
look
they're
always
the
last
and
which
is
the
very
the
low-income
areas
they
always
think
of
their
the
last
one.
The
totem
pole
would
do
it
to
get
anything
done,
and
you
know
they
are
very
adamant
about
that
on
the
on
the
east
side
of
the
peninsula,
because
it
flies
there
pretty
bad,
even
the
waters
right
there.
The
river
is
right
there
you
know
so
there.
K
So
you
know
that
was
one
of
my
biggest
concern
and
I
know
we're
talking
about
the
west
side
and
the
the
joe
and
the
the
face
so
far
as
the
whisperer
building
on
morrison's
drive,
you
know
feeling
back
in
the
air
and
now
you
know,
but
the
east
side
was
always
being
to
me
left
to
the
last
to
the
end,
and
that's
that's
one
thing
that
I'm
very
adamant
about
you
know,
since
I'm
in
that
area,
not
representing
that
area
you
see
so
and
the
people
there
is
adamant
about
that
too,
because
they
always
feel
left
out.
K
You
always
feel
that
when
anything
happens,
they
get
the
end
of
the
stick
most
of
the
time
you
see,
and
we
know
we
played
very
bad
there
even
up
to
the
place
that
I
mentioned
to
them
before
the
old
bayside.
K
When
the
storm
comes,
you
can't
even
get
in
out
in
that
area,
either
way
because
we
tried
it
just
flooded
out
when
a
storm
come,
you
can't
even
get
into
our
outsourcer
it's
a
safety
problem.
There
too,
you
know,
because
if
someone
is
sick,
you
can't
get
in
there
get
them
out.
Whatever
happens,
you
can't
get
them
out
of
there
this
one,
a
normal
storm,
there's
blood,
because
the
ocean
is
right
there
behind
me.
K
So
all
these
things
I'm
looking
at
so
I
keep
hearing
the
report.
We
are
starting
this
area
and
coming
down
and
then
the
second
phase,
our
third
phase,
is
going
to
be
coming
in
the
east
side.
We
got
to
start
looking
at
that
very
carefully
now
and
start
changing
some
of
these
ramifications
of
what
we're
doing.
C
Members
mark
wilbur,
just
very
quickly
you'll,
hear
later
on
in
the
presentation
today
from
the
wagner
ball
team
that
one
of
the
things
that
they
we're
looking
at
and
we've
already
talked
to
the
court
about
this-
is
the
possibility
of
moving
three
to
the
to
number
two.
G
It
might
and
sir,
in
an
idea
in
an
ideal
world,
you
know
we
would
like
to
construct
the
entire
project
at
one
time
instead
of
phases,
but
we
all
know,
sir.
The
funding
doesn't
typically
line
up
like
like
that.
So,
as
mark
pointed
out,
we
could
you
know
there
are
some
opportunities
to
to
relook
at
two
and
three
and
and
the
impacts
we
would
have
if
we
could
switch
those
around
over.
H
This
is
gregory.
Could
you
talk
a
little
about
wagner
terrace
for
me
phase
four
and
what
what
effects
we
need
to
anticipate
accordingly,.
G
G
That
would
be
considered
phase
four.
If
we
go
through
a
phased
construction
approach
and
we're
not
funded
all
at
one
time,.
I
E
A
Let
me
ask
a
question
now:
this
is
keith
waring,
give
us
a
feel
if
you're
on
ground
level
now
at
again
in
wagner
terrace
and
we're
driving
towards
the
marsh.
So
if
we're
at
the
anna
grove
street
or
it's
at
margaret
street,
how?
How?
G
A
G
I
think,
can
you
guys
see
my
mouse
there,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
see
it
but
towards
the
citadel
there.
If
you're
standing
on
five
five
feet,
you
know
you've
got
a
12
foot
wall
out
there,
it's
a
seven
foot
difference,
and
it's
also
based
on
tide
too,
on
what
you
see.
You
know
the
higher
tide,
the
less
wall
you'll
see.
But
you
know
there
will
be
some
visual
impacts
on
wagner.
Terrace.
J
This
council,
member
second-
I
I
just
I
I
guess
I
do
need
some
clarification
to
council
member
waring's
question.
So
if
you
are
sitting
down
near
the
end
of
grove
street,
which
is,
I
can't
remember,
the
name
of
it-
bounds,
grove
plantation
and
you're
sitting
really
right
there
at
the
marsh
and
you're.
Looking
out
to
that
marsh
view.
G
Right
now
we're
assuming
35
feet
from
the
marsh
edge.
I'm
sorry
from
the
from
the
edge
of
high
ground.
B
Well,
didn't
you
have
one
map
that
showed
variations
in
color
of
the
wall
that
that.
B
I
I
So
it
is
an
obstruction,
and
that
is
part
of
this
view,
shed
analysis
that
I
was
talking
about
that
we're
working
towards
determining
what
kind
of
impact
that
has
and
what
we
can
do
to
help
mitigate
that
without
leaving
this
population
at
risk
for
inundation.
You
know
we're
trying
to
to
balance
those
things.
H
This
is,
this
is
gregory
I
just
like
to
follow
up.
Are
you
doing
an
analysis
to
determine
how
this
may
affect
property
values.
H
Yeah,
why
I'm
raising?
The
question
is
because
it's
an
obvious
one
of
which
most
of
our
constituents
sacrament
and
I
will
be
asking
us
and
we're
gonna-
be
we're.
Gonna
have
to
be
able
to
to
respond
accordingly.
H
So
I
don't
know
where
we
go
to
find
that
out,
and
I
know
phase
four
is
way
down
the
line,
but
I
think
that
people
are
going
to
want
to
want
to
also
consider
how
do
they
protect
their
interests
in
terms
of
property
value.
B
Right,
I
I
hear
you
know,
a
lot
of
thought
will
go
into
that
council
member,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
over
the
long
haul
you're
going
to
retain
property
value
by
the
fact
that
it
will
be
dry
as
opposed
to
flooded.
So
that
is
one
long-term
consideration.
Council
member
shade.
L
Thank
you,
marin,
sort
of
along
those
same
lines
of
questioning.
L
I
heard
you
say-
maybe
I
just
didn't
pick
up
on
this,
but
as
you
were
going
through
this
analysis
of
the
benefits
of
this
wall
and
how
it's
going
to
impact
in
the
in
the
event
of
a
of
a
storm
or
a
surge
of
some
sort
house,
what
is
those
numbers?
I
mean
how
significant
of
a
difference
is
that
going
to
be?
If,
if
we
have-
and
I
saw
that
I
saw
these-
I
thought
the
costs
and
damages
reduced,
but
I
mean
how
do
you
put
a
value
on
on?
All
of
that?
E
G
Is
the
basis
of
all
right
right?
I
can.
I
can
try
to
explain
that
question.
So.
Essentially,
we
obtained
all
the
structural
and
content
inventory
on
the
city
of
charleston,
and
we
loaded
that
into
our
economics
model
and
the
economics
team
ran
25
statistical
storms
through
that
model
to
determine
they're
all
different
types
of
storms.
They
don't
all
hit
charleston
to
determine
damages
over
a
50-year
study
period
right
so
that
if
you
build
a
12,
if
you
build
a
12-foot
wall,
you're
reducing
damages
by
4
billion
dollars.
L
G
No,
it's
a
statistical
storm
analysis,
so
I
mean
you
could
have
three
four
storms
impact
the
peninsula
over
a
50-year
period.
You
could
have
one
storm
that
that
provides
that
amount
of
damages.
It's
it's
an
economics
model
that
calculates
what
the
damage
is
reduced
over
a
50-year
period
and
that's
based
on
your
structural
and
content
inventory.
You
have
right
now.
L
H
J
One
more
question:
I
guess
the
ultimate
question
that
you
know
if
I'm,
if
I'm
living
in
wagner
terrace
and
I'm
at
that,
you
know
lounge,
grove
or
really
anywhere
along
that
am
I
going
to
be
able
to
see
over
the
wall.
A
G
G
That's
part
of
the
environmental
impact
assessment
that
we're
doing
so
there
we
are
in
the
middle
of
that
analysis
right
now,
but
I'm
sure
there
will
be
some
impacts
and
we'll
just
have
to
figure
out
how
to
mitigate
form.
I
So
I
I
would
say,
for
example,
the
high
battery
wall
now
is
what
wes
is
at
nine
feet
of
elevation
and
when
you're
standing
down
there,
you
know
at
the
tip
of
the
peninsula.
You
can
still
see
the
water
over
that
wall
and
obviously
the
closer
you
get
to
the
wall,
the
less
you
can
see
right.
But
if
you,
if
you're
in
the
park
I
mean
you
can
see
the
whole
harbor
right
it.
So
it's
a
matter
of
perspective.
I
So
yes,
of
course,
if
you're
at
the
end
of
the
street-
and
you
are
right
at
the
edge
of
the
land,
you're
closest
to
the
wall
and
you're,
going
to
see
more
wall
than
you're
going
to
see
ashley
river
and
as
you
back
off
from
it,
you
gain
that
perspective
and,
and
certainly
you
gain
some
height
and
elevation.
I
As
you
come
inland,
you
know
you're
kind
of
going
uphill
and,
and
you
can
see
out
across
it,
so
it
it's
not
the
you
know
complete
block
of
any
view
whatsoever,
but
certainly
there
are
going
to
be
vantage
points
where
yeah
your
view
is
going
to
be
greatly
diminished
and,
as
the
mayor
said
earlier,
it's
kind
of
the
trade-off
between
that
and
getting
flooded
right.
I
mean
it's
not
going
to
be
as
dramatic
as
it
sounds,
but
yes,
there
will
be
some.
I
G
Yeah
that
35
feet
is
the
minimum
that
we
would
go
out,
but
that
would
be
from,
I
guess,
the
the
the
very
end
of
high
ground
there
on
certain
parts
of
the
wagner,
terrace
area.
G
We'll
still
be
in
the
marsh
in
regards
to
35
feet
out
would
still
be
considered
in
the
marsh.
A
I
did
so
when
this
thing
rolls
out
who
actually,
I
guess,
decides
and
I'm
gonna
kind
of
compare
to
the
to
the
vaccine.
You
know
some
people
want
to
take
the
vaccine
when
I
think
of
neighbors
and
some
people,
whatever
reason
they're
not
going
to
take
it.
You
know
I'm
of
the
elk
where
I
took.
I
took
my
first
shot
anyway,
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
second,
how
much
of
a
voice.
I
know
we're
going
to
have
these
public.
A
How
much
of
an
impact
of
if
I
I
don't
live
down,
but
if
I
did
I'd
say
well,
listen,
I
don't
mind
the
wall
and
my
next
door.
Neighbor
says
I
don't
want
my
view
blocked
how
much
of
a
voice
does
that
next
door.
G
I
A
C
C
Just
letting
council
know
the
work
we
did
up
in
wagner
terrace
because
of
the
concerns
that
they've
already
raised
about
wagner
terrace,
and
that
was
that
we
looked
at
as
a
group
taking
one
taking
wagner
terrace
out
of
the
project
and
two
looking
to
go
in
with
all
non-structural
solutions
of
wagner
terrace,
which
would
do
away
with
the
wall,
but
raise
every
home
in
in
wagner
terrace.
C
So
both
of
those
things
were
looked
at
and
essentially
what
happened
was
because,
because
of
the
cost
because
of
the
benefits
because
of
the
level
of
protection
wagner,
terrace
would
not
be
getting
the
same
level
of
protection
as
the
rest
of
the
city,
which
is
one
of
the
criteria
that
the
corps
has
for
moving
forward.
So
we
all.
This
is
a
great
discussion,
because
you're
asking
the
questions
that
we've
asked
and
worked
through
again
wagner.
Terrace
is
severable
when
we
get
as
we
go
through
this
next
nine
or
ten
months.
C
A
C
And-
and
I
those
results
we
had
hoped
to
have
them
or
I
mean
back
up,
the
army
corps
and
west
team
had
hoped
to
have
them
today,
they're
just
backed
up
in
the
computer
backlog.
We
will
bring
those
to
you
when
they
are
finished.
That
is
a
promise
we've
made
and
those
will
come
to
you
when
they're
done
all
right
wes.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
your
organization,
but
you
really
can't
move
forward
until
those
are
done
right.
They
have
to
be
done
and
they
have
to
be.
G
If
we
do
have
any
at
all,
we
will
come
back
to
mark
and
council
and
figure
out
how
we
can
best
present
it
weak.
If
there
are
issues-
and
we
have
impacts
to
the
west
of
ashley
and
other
areas,
we
cannot
move
forward
without
recommendation
without
a
concrete
mitigation
plan.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
we
we
need
to
do
this
modeling,
and
we
are
doing
it
right
now.
H
If
we
can
project
that
within
a
50-year
period,
damages
will
be
x
somewhere,
we
had
to
serve
a
value
and
then
that
value,
I
would
suspect,
can
be
akin
to
property
value
in
wagner
terrace
I
mean
this
is
going
to
be
a
question
that
that
sacrament
and
I
are
going
to
have
to
be
able
to
answer
and
I'm
not
clear
whether
or
not
I
can
yet
so.
C
Can
I
let
me,
can
I
make
an
offer
here
in
wes
again,
I'm
jumping
jumping
out
front
of
you.
Can
I
make
an
offer
that
will
we
will
do
a
more
in-depth
economic
analysis,
explanation
anybody
that
wants
it
in
the
future.
C
F
J
Thank
you,
mayors,
one
quick
question
to
to
add
to
dudley's.
Maybe
maybe
you
all
have
the
answer
to
this
flood
insurance.
Would
there
be
a
direct
benefit
to
to
our
flood
insurance
premiums
if,
if
the
wall
gets
erected.
G
G
Core,
doesn't
the
core
doesn't
control
those
that's
the
fema
does
all
the
flood
insurance.
So
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
answer
that
question.
B
It
would
seem
to
me
we
would
qualify
for
all
kind
of
community
rating
system,
but
we
could
ask
steven
joca
to
check
with
fema
on
that
question.
Thank
you,
okay,
so
wes
nancy.
Thank
you!
So
much
20
000
hours
worth
of
work
so
far
so
far,
and
we
we've
got
a
little
ways
to
go.
Y'all.
B
I
think
I
don't
know
the
council
really
realizes
the
importance
of
this
pivot
to
the
environmental
impact
statement
in
terms
of
our
citizens
being
able
to
have
additional
input
and
address
all
these
issues
that
we've
been
talking
about
today.
I
think
it's
a
a
great
great
addition
to
the
study.
I
guess
it's
going
to
make.
It
turn
it
from
a
three
by
three
to
more
like
a
four
by.
I
B
C
C
He
and
his
team
who
he'll
introduce
will
walk
you
through
their
discovery
report
which,
as
you
remember,
city
council,
helped
to
fund,
along
with
some
private
funders
in
the
city
as
well.
David.
M
Yes,
thank
you,
council
members
and
thank
you
for
the
funding
support.
Thank
you
for
also
the
there
were
some
private
parties
who
brought
us
in
you
know:
we've
I'm
here
today
with
andy
stern
ads,
actually
going
to
present
our
discovery
report.
M
We've
been
working
with
the
corps
with
their
cooperation
with
wes
and
nancy,
as
well
as
sarah,
but
we're
here
with
dale
morris
who's
been
our
thought
partner
in
this
all
along
you
know,
dale
has
unique
advantages
of
understanding.
Washington,
understand
the
government
coming
from
a
idealized
model
of
water
management
in
the
dutch
and
the
dutch
situation
we've
been
in
charleston,
I'm
glad
to
know
people
know
us.
I
hope
they
think
well,
we've
been
fortunate,
since
we
were
at
clemson
for
dutch
dialogues
with
ray
huff
and
beede
before
and
doing
the
dutch
dialogues.
M
You
know
at
that
point.
Our
probably
deepest
recommendation
with
respect
to
the
peninsula
was
that
you
need
a
polar
plan.
You
know
over
time
the
situation
is
changing
with
respect
to
the
peninsula,
its
elevation
against
the
water.
M
So
we've
been
fortunate
during
these
months
to
work
with
the
city.
It's
really
committed
staff
and
we
had
a
workshop
in
late
november,
where
the
core
and
some
of
the
key
parties
were
able
to
talk
to
one
another.
We
risked
the
covet
thing,
but
what
we've
been
trying
to
do
is
get
to
a
point
like
today
where
we
can
talk
to
you
and
you
can
ask
the
questions
you're
asking
these
very
good
questions.
M
M
You
know
it
can't
be
thought
of
only
as
perimeter
even
protection,
because
it's
really
perimeter
management
edge
management,
it's
really
peninsula
operation.
How
are
you
going
to
stay
here
on
that
beautiful
spit
of
land?
And
how
are
you
going
to
stay
here?
Is
the
seas
coming
in
and
you're
not
really
going
to
keep
all
the
water
out?
There's
an
over
topping
piece
of
this.
It's
really
important.
There's
a
you
know:
it's
really
an
edge
we're
talking
about,
but
you
know
I'll
say
before
andy.
M
You
know
when,
when
I
look
at
charleston,
I
think
how
beautiful
I
had
that
experience
in
prague
and
I
thought
in
prague
only
a
king
could
have
made
the
city.
You
know
the
netherlands
that
amsterdam
was
made
by
king.
You
were
the
king
city,
so
you're
also
the
holy
city
and
you
can't
be
a
holy
city
without
the
community.
M
So
I
think
that
the
opportunity
going
forward
is
to
involve
the
citizens.
You
know
the
stakeholders,
the
leadership,
so
this
polar
plan
is
really
becoming
a
polder
model,
all
of
which
is
embedded
history.
Lessons
for
my
15
years
with
the
dutch,
but
you
know
I
think
we
have
to
aspire
to
the
best
thing
we
can
do
in
charleston
and
charleston
deserves
the
best
thing.
So
andy.
You
want
to
explain
the
report.
N
We've
had
the
opportunity
to
work
closely
with
city
staff
over
the
last
two
three
months,
four
months
or
so
just
since
the
end
of
october,
and
our
purpose
was
really
to
help
understand
some
of
these
complicated
factors
in
the
army
corps
process
and
help
propose
a
possible
design
approach.
Moving
forward
now,
the
city
might
wrap,
in
other
factors,
into
this
process
that
the
corps
can't
directly
address
itself,
they're,
nonetheless
vitally
important.
N
I'm
going
to
take
you
through
a
bunch
of
slides
quickly
and
then
would
welcome
any
questions
and-
and
this
definitely
merits
for
their
study.
Our
discovery
report
will
be
available
in
the
very
near
future
to
to
you
and
to
the
public.
N
This
is
a
summary
first
of
what
we
saw
and
some
of
the
questions
we
asked
and
some
ideas
and,
at
the
end,
I'll
wrap
up
with
some
recommendations.
Preliminary
recommendations
that
we've
made
to
the
city.
N
So,
to
begin
just
to
understand
the
risk
on
the
left,
you
see
a
map
of
the
the
depth
of
storm
surge
in
the
category
three
on
the
right
sea
level
rise
of
three
foot
projection
in
the
future.
I
think
a
fundamental
point
of
recommendation
is
that
the
future
is
not
either
war
of
these
two
scenarios,
it's
both
and
and
that
any
solution
moving
forward
for
the
perimeter
must
address
both,
and
these
start.
B
To
interrupt
you
we're
getting
a
I'm
getting
a
little
static
there
from
your
microphone
or
or
your
audio.
Are
you
all
getting?
That
too?
Is
that
better?
I.
N
Yep,
okay,
I'll
go
this
way
just
to
I'll.
Just
restate,
then
these
two
risks,
storm
surge,
mapped
on
the
left
and
three
foot
of
sea
level.
Rise,
mapped
on
the
right
are
not
an
either
or
scenario.
It's
a
both
and,
and
these
risks
are,
are
both
growing
over
time
and
increase
cumulatively
over
time.
So
any
peninsula
perimeter
has
to
address
them.
Both
the
army
corps
study
is
specifically
focused
on
storm
surge
and
coastal
risk
reduction.
N
N
I've
got
two
text
heavy
slides
here
and
then
I'll
show
you
a
lot
of
pictures,
just
observations
of
the
perimeter
context
and
what
protection
means
sea
level
rise.
Moving
forward
will
require
some
type
of
perimeter
edge
protection.
The
city's
sea
level
rise
strategy
anticipates
two
to
three
feet
of
rise
in
the
next
50
years.
N
That's
what's
shown
on
the
previous
map.
Storm
surge
protection
is,
it
will
be
necessary.
It's
kind
of
a
black
swan
event,
but
it
can
be
devastating,
especially
with
sea
level
rise,
compounding
the
problem.
These
two
factors
together
result
in
something
like
a
dutch
polder
model
for
the
peninsula.
Boulder
is
a
self-contained
water
management
unit.
All
aspects
of
maintenance
and
operations
city
systems
are
oriented
towards
maintaining
the
unity
of
that
of
that
basin
at
number
three,
the
50-year
storm,
which
is
what
the
corps
projections
are
based
on.
N
And
I'll
note
to
the
to
the
point
earlier
about
how
the
system
pays
for
itself.
In
new
orleans
hurricane
isaac
in
2012
paid
for
the
14
billion
dollar
investment
in
one
storm,
just
a
a
handful
of
years
after
it
was
complete.
N
So
it's
the
larger
storms
are
possible.
The
return
the
returns
are
possible
number
four,
the
multiple
lines
of
defense
strategy,
the
project
being
considered
now
and
studied
with
the
army
corps,
is
primarily
one
line
of
defense.
It's
not
to
say
that
the
city
shouldn't
invest
in
and
consider
more
lines,
I'll
explain
a
little
more
about
what
that
might
look
like
what
it
might
mean
over
time
and
number
five.
N
The
city
has
a
head
start
in
a
way.
There
are
many
many
projects
underway
mark
mentioned
in
interior
drainage
work,
that's
progressing,
the
check,
valves
and
many
plans.
The
vulnerability
analysis,
in
particular
risk
assessment
is,
is
world-class
recently
completed
in
charleston
the
comprehensive
plan
update,
which
is
underway
as
well.
All
of
these
things
are
working
to
address.
These
risks
address
this
planning,
but
some
revision
and
coordination,
we
think,
will
be-
will
be
needed
within
those
existing
efforts.
N
Anticipating
that
raised
edge,
most
of
them
are
oriented
toward
the
existing
condition
without
okay,
a
couple
of
observations
about
the
army
corps
process
outcomes
to
expect.
First,
the
city
needs
holistic
water
management,
but
I
should
not
expect
that
from
the
army
corps
process,
their
process
is
very
clearly
focused
on
coastal
storm
surge
risk
reduction.
N
There
are
many
other
factors
inside
interior,
hydrology
and
ecological
environmental
factors,
real
estate
development
that
should
be
considered
in
that
holistic
approach,
and
that's
that's
not
to
meant
as
a
criticism
of
the
course
process.
It's
just
that
process
is
as
highly
specific
number
two.
The
charleston
three
by
three
study
is
fully
federally
funded,
that's
good
and
that
the
city
doesn't
have
to
pay
for
it
right
now.
It
doesn't
have
to
split
the
share
of
that
three
million.
N
It's
potentially
it's
potentially
unique,
though,
in
that
the
city
has
less
leverage
through
this
current
study
than
other
cities,
which
typically
share
the
cost
as
an
equal
partner.
N
Part
of
the
study
may
be
eligible
for
state
support.
We
think
there
are
state
impact
state
level
impacts
around
the
peninsula,
including
the
ports
which
are
state-owned,
palmetto
rail,
the
medical
district,
especially
properties
properties
there
of
import
for
the
wider
region
and
state
the
number
four,
the
cores
benefit.
Cost
ratio
excludes
some
assets
and
costs
which
are
real
to
the
city,
and
this
is
by
regulation,
and
it's
just
a
point
here
to
understand
what
those
exclusions
are
and
what
they
mean.
Just
a
couple
of
examples.
N
In
addition,
the
future
real
estate
value
around
the
perimeter
and
future
real
estate
value
impacts
like
west
was
mentioning
are
excluded
from
that
calculation
and
finally,
structures
that
are
raised
above
the
floodplain.
The
value
of
those
structures
are
excluded,
even
if
access
to
and
from
those
structures
may
be
impeded
by
flooding.
N
So
again,
not
a
criticism
of
the
cores
of
bcr.
It's
just
important
to
understand
these
factors
and
how
the
city
incorporates
them
going
forward
in
its
own
decision.
Making
number
five
here
just
to
note
mitigations
are
cost
shared
betterments
are
paid
by
the
city.
This
is
the
importance
of
the
eis
coming
up
now,
there's
an
opportunity
to
define,
impacts
and
define
mitigation
approaches
so
that
those
impacts
are
cost
shared
rather
than
falling
on
the
city.
You
couldn't
emphasize
that
enough.
N
The
importance
of
the
eis
number,
six,
movable
and
temporary
are
should
be
considered
red
flags
as
far
as
risk
and
reliability.
These
structures
depend
on
a
staff
to
maintain
and
operate
them
in
those
emergency
situations.
Just
one
more
potential
failure
point.
They
also
concentrate
risk
to
these
movable
areas
versus
the
static
structures
that
may
be
more
likely
to
fail,
but
really
that's
a
point
about
human
human
error.
Primarily
in
operating
these
movable
temporary
features.
N
Significant
changes
are
expected
in
ped
phase,
the
core
will
go
through
its
own
design
process
and
revise
and
review
again.
This
is
just
a
feasibility
study,
as
wes
and
nancy
have
said,
but
the
parameters
are
set
now,
whether
it's
important
to
get
them
right
through
the
eis
and
other
types
of
engagement
with
the
core
corps.
Continued
engagement,
number
eight,
the
cost
share
and
design
and
construction
occurs
in
phases,
so
the
city
will
need
to
make
a
financial
commitment
and
a
statement
of
support
in
november
this
year.
I'll
get
to
this
again
a
moment
later.
N
There's
a
financial
commitment
at
this
early
stage
in
november,
however,
the
actual
cost
share
occurs
in
phases
and
there
may
be
opportunities
for
in
the
future
for
the
city
to
choose
not
to
proceed
with
some
of
those
phases.
So,
even
though
the
commitment
up
front
has
to
be
made,
it
may
play
out
in
different
scenarios
number
nine,
the
cities.
If
the
city
chooses
to
proceed
with
this
process
with
the
core,
there
may
be
some
other
short-term
benefits.
N
Those
include
a
local
economic
stimulus.
This
occurs
because
the
city's
cost
share
portion
can
in
part,
take
the
form
of
professional
services.
The
city
can
pay
its
own
design
consultants,
its
own
engineers
to
work
with
the
core.
Those
consultants
can
be
local,
the
be
here
significant
survey
and
geotech
technical
data
will
be
produced
through
ped
phase
that
early
preliminary
engineering
and
design
phase
that
really
detailed
soil
and
survey
data
could
be
useful
in
many
ways
to
the
city
around
the
perimeter.
N
N
There
is
no
other
federal
funding
currently
on
the
horizon
for
charleston
to
address
these
issues
surge
and
sea
level
rise
b.
The
risks
continue
to
grow
c,
an
incomplete
system.
If
the
storm
were
to
strike
and
things
are
not
fully
in
place,
there
may
be
disproportionate
impacts
to
parts
of
the
city
versus
others,
and
this
phasing
is
important
there
d
potentially
rapid,
post-disaster
implementation.
N
That
means
it's
especially
more
important
to
get
the
factors
right
in
the
plan
at
every
stage,
just
in
case
and
finally,
here
an
acceleration
of
private
sector
flood
retrofits,
the
absence
of
a
city
plan,
what
this
means
and
why
this
is
a
potentially
a
trade-off,
is
that
if
the
city
does
not
act
and
the
federal
government
does
not
act,
flood
mitigation
falls
to
the
private
sector.
People
will
raise
their
own
homes
and
buildings
over
time.
N
N
Okay,
that
was
a
lot
of
information
I
know,
but
we'll
go
through
and
now
our
process,
some
design
criteria
and
then
around
each
of
these
segments
in
a
little
more
detail,
hopefully
address
some
some
questions
that
you
may
be
having
now.
E
H
H
We
all
all
know
that
when
we
went
to
amsterdam
as
well
as
one
of
the
recommendations
from
the
dutch
dialogue
was
for
us
to
do
a
holistic
water
plan-
and
this
is
probably
not
a
question
for
you-
but
probably
one
for
us-
are
we
in
fact,
at
some
point,
going
to
take
a
holistic
approach
to
water
management,
be
it
sea
level
rise,
tidal
or
otherwise.
H
That
would
not
just
be
limited
to
the
peninsula.
But
such
a
holistic
water
management
plan
would
be
applicable
to
the
entire
city.
H
I
know
that
we're
doing
a
comprehensive
plan
where
we
will
have
some
provisions
in
it
for
water,
but
my
question
I
guess
to
us,
is
at
some
point:
are
we
going
to
follow
through
with
the
dutch
dialogue
recommendation,
as
well
as
what
we
experienced
when
we
were
in
amsterdam,
and
that
is
the
need
for
an
overall
water
plan
that
is
holistic
to
water
management
in
the
city
of
charleston?.
N
I'll
get
there
and
I
I
would
also
add
that
a
lot
of
the
pieces
are
in
place.
This
is
one
important
piece,
and
so
it
then
becomes
incumbent
on
the
city
to
wrap
them
together.
That
might
need
a
little
bit
more
perspective,
but
between
those
councilman.
The
plans
that
you
mentioned,
in
addition
to
the
vulnerability
analysis,
is
the
some
of
the
pieces
are
out
there.
N
So
I'll
explain
now
kind
of
what
this
orange
zone
around
the
edge
means,
what
are
some
of
the
consequences
for
inside
and
then
we'll
go
segment
by
segment?
N
Okay,
so
we
began
this
analysis
with
five
design
criteria
looking
at
risk
management.
So
that
means
what
is
the
wall
height?
What
is
the
level
of
protection
it
provides?
How
does
that
change?
Was
the
wall
type?
N
N
We
looked
at
internal
water
how
this,
how
this
perimeter
factors
in
with
water
management
in
the
rest
of
the
city
and
the
rest
of
the
peninsula
ecology,
what
happens
to
the
marsh
at
the
edge?
What
is
happening
to
that
marsh
over
time?
What
happens
if
it
ends
up
inside
a
structure?
What
what
are
the
consequences
for
mitigation
and
what
are
the
values
of
nature-based
solutions
that
we
might
be
able
to
add?
N
We
looked
at
operations
and
maintenance.
What
does
that
look
like
on
an
annual
basis?
What
are
some
red
flags
who
will
perform
that
operate,
that
those
operations
and
maintenance?
What
organization
and,
finally,
last
but
not
least,
urban
design
and
historic
preservation-
that's
coming
here
as
number
five,
because
the
other
four
create
the
context
for
that
urban
design.
N
Those
functional
characteristics
of
all
these
other
four,
not
to
diminish
urban
design
or
history
in
any
way,
that's
part
of
charleston's,
essential
character,
and
all
of
these
four
other
aspects
need
to
be
holistically,
approached
to
preserve
that,
to
preserve
that
character,
okay,
I'll
just
go
quickly.
One
slide
for
each
of
those
risk
management
and
internal
water
was
primarily
the
focus
of
moffett
nickel
on
our
team,
a
preeminent
national
engineering
firm
for
coastal
for
coastal
projects.
N
They
looked
at
a
series
of
storms
va
into
the
50-year
event
what
that
means
for
water
levels
and
potentially
water
that
comes
over
the
wall.
That's
not
considered
a
failure
of
the
structure,
that's
just
something
that
has
to
be
designed
for
what
happens
if
you
get
a
bigger
storm
and
water
comes
over
also
adaptability.
What
happens
over
time?
We
know
as
sea
levels
rise,
those
water
levels
are
rising,
and
so
the
structure
needs
to
plan
for
that
adaptability
at
this
early
phase,
whether
that
means
larger
foundations
or
other
types
of
design.
N
Multi-Layers
consider
adaptability
way
of
overtopping
the
number
of
models
moffett
nickel
ran
a
high
level
concept
analysis
just
to
get
a
sense
of
what
that
over,
topping
might
mean
whether
the
city's
drainage
system
can
handle
it.
This
is
also
part
of
the
course
hydrology
study
that
we
hear
was
forthcoming
and
then
finally,
the
polar
concept
for
all
of
the
water
together
when
you're
inside
a
raised
perimeter
when
you're
inside
the
teacup,
you
all
need
to
work
together
and
all
of
this
water
factors
and
urban
factors
like
transportation,
recreation
influence
one
another
and
present
opportunities.
N
Apology
we
looked
at
what
happens
to
marshall
migration
as
sea
level
rises.
There's
a
question
here
about
the
state
regulatory
framework.
It's
a
question
across
the
country.
How
does
the
regulatory
framework
to
protect
our
environment
keep
up
with
the
changes
that
are
occurring
in
that
environment,
marsh
moderates
and
moves
and
goes
extinct
in
some
places
grows
in
others,
as
sea
level
rises?
N
How
do
regulations
keep
up
with
that?
How
do
we
avoid
a
situation
where
we
pay
for
marsh
mitigate
mitigation
in
a
place
that
marsh
will
cease
to
exist
in
the
near
future,
again
making
wise
investments?
Thinking
through
that?
That
has
to
be
a
conversation
with
the
regulatory
agencies
in
the
state
nature.
Nature-Based
adaptation
in
the
center
here
photo
from
norfolk
virginia
an
ongoing
recently
constructed
living
shoreline.
N
Maybe
maybe
the
residents
there
through
community
engagement
process
would
decide
on
a
different
approach,
something
like
this
there's
time
for
that,
based
on
the
late
phase
and
maybe
an
opportunity
I'll
get
back
to
there
and
finally
tidal
flow.
How
do
how
does
this?
Let's
imagine
that
the
structure
does
capture
some
wetlands
inside
wetlands
and
marsh?
What
happens?
How
do
we
sustain
those
wetlands
in
fact,
and
help
them
potentially
grow
rather
than
succumb
to
sea
level,
rise
through
thin
layer,
dredge
disposal
and
things
the
types
of
science
like
that,
that's
being
studied
in
charleston
right
now,.
N
Okay
operations
and
maintenance.
Just
a
couple
of
points
here,
I
mentioned
the
red
flags
about
movable
temporary
here
you
see
in
the
photo.
This
is
an
example
from
the
new
orleans
hurricane
system
that
launcher
train.
That's
about
a
five
to
six
foot
high
swing
gate
on
top
of
the
levee,
but
it's
it's
perceived.
As
about
a
five
to
six
foot
gate,
somebody
has
to
go
out
there
and
close
that
thing
and
make
sure
it's
working
and
make
sure
that
it's
sealed
up
tight
before
any
major
storm.
N
More
of
these,
you
have
the
more
failure
points
you
have
more
likely
something
it
can
go
wrong.
Somebody
might
not
get
there
in
time.
Something
might
not
work
in
that
moment
of
critical
need.
One
recommendation
we
make
is
to
avoid
every
single
gate
that
you
possibly
can
over
railroads
over
roads
for
all
types
and
just
increase
that
factor
of
redundancy
annual
costs.
This
depends
on
the
on
the
life
span
of
the
projected
lifespan
of
the
system.
N
N
If
the
structure
were
designed
for
100
years,
one
percent
annual
cost
that
cost
has
to
come
from
somewhere
and
fund,
something
like
a
management
authority
in
louisiana.
That's
the
southeast,
louisiana
flood
protection
authority.
That's
an
organization!
The
corps
works
with
routinely
here
in
close
collaboration
for
some
of
these
big
flood
protection
structures,
but
it
takes
a
dedicated
staff
and
a
dedicated
budget.
N
N
Finally,
the
last
criteria:
urban
design.
We
worked
closely
with
the
design
division
and
alan
davis
has
done
a
lot
of
study
all
the
way
around
the
peninsula
documenting
and
understanding
these
potential
visual
impacts,
historical
impacts,
other
kinds
of
urban
design
factors.
These
become
critical
now,
as
the
eis
begins
to
define
what
those
impacts
are
look
for,
ways
to
costume
their
mitigation.
N
Transportation
again,
removing
those
gates
is
not
only
an
operations
maintenance
question;
it
becomes
something
about
safety
and
preserving
the
function
of
traffic
on
the
peninsula.
There
are
a
couple
of
gates
currently
located.
As
in
the
feasibility
study
with
the
core
crossing
lockwood,
we
can
talk
about
what
those
trade-offs
are
in
just
a
minute
and
then
finally,
recreation
opportunities
to
use
this
structure
and
its
investment
to
improve
and
extend
recreation
opportunities
around
the
peninsula,
maybe
extending
waterfront
park,
considering
a
holistic
perimeter
park,
something
that's
publicly
accessible.
N
N
So
it's
it's
been
cinched
up
and
one
of
the
drivers
there
was
in
the
core
working
with
the
state
regulatory
agencies
to
avoid
marsh
impacts.
That's
about
that's
a
valuable
goal,
but
you
need
to
understand
the
tradeoffs
so
the
core,
the
poor's
optimized
alignment.
We
consider
the
innermost
alignment.
N
We've
worked
to
develop
what
the
outermost
alignment
might
be
as
a
concept
based
on
depth
of
water,
the
bathymetry,
the
existing
conditions
out
there
at
the
edge
and
that
that
intermediate
zone
becomes
the
alignment
zone.
That's
where
we
recommend
for
the
city
and
the
core
to
work
together
to
define
what,
where
this
thing
should
go
moving
through
headphase,
that's
something
that
will
be
developed
in
the
future.
N
You'll
see
in
the
map
on
the
left
that
that
hatched
area
around
the
citadel
marsh
and
wagner
terrace.
That's
that
opportunity,
given
the
extensive
marsh
at
the
edge
in
that
area,
to
consider
alternative
approaches.
That's
something
I'll
get
back
to
here
in
a
minute,
but
recommend
a
community
conversation
about
that
with
what
the
trade-offs
mean.
N
So
the
core
has
segmented
the
perimeter
into
phases,
so
we're
just
reflecting
those
here
and
that's,
and
this
will
be
the
basis
of
our
segment
analysis
phase.
One
is
currently
projected
as
the
lockwood
corridor.
So,
as
wes
mentioned
from
the
joe
down
to
the
coast
guard
station
phase,
two,
the
low
and
high
batteries
moving
around
towards
wildfire
park
phase
three
for
the
core
is
the
whole
east
side
up
from
hotel
or
so
up
to
newmarket
creek,
all
the
way
up,
the
east
side.
N
N
We
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
consider
that
mark
alluded
to
to
swap
phase
two
and
three
here.
The
low
and
high
battery
provides
some
level
of
protection.
Currently,
whereas
other
areas
like
lockwood
and
the
east
side
around
new
market
creek,
don't
have
any
protection
currently,
so
that
might
be.
That
might
be
an
opportunity
there
to
build
incrementally
and
equalize
that
risk,
as
as
the
project
goes
along.
N
N
Okay,
then
just
denoted
by
multiple
lines
of
defense
and
what
that
might
look
like
in
charleston.
So
you
have
your
the
perimeter
protection
there,
the
structure
whatever
that
may
become,
but
it's
important
to
consider
what
happens
outside
in
terms
of
wave
attenuation
and
help
mitigate
some
overtopping,
maybe
provide
an
opportunity
for
marshes
to
accrete
and
stabilize
the
sea
levels
rise.
N
N
N
If
you
focus,
if
you
focus
in
here
around
the
james
island,
connector
interchange
just
to
start,
the
darker
red
line
here
is
the
course
optimized
alignment
again.
It's
the
feasibility
alignment
has
not
been
fully
designed,
but
there
are
two
gates
crossing
lockwood
with
that.
That's
at
the
hospital
here
and
further
down
towards
long
lake,
and
then
the
alignment
is
drawn
below
the
james
island
connector.
Here
these
are
two
of
those
gates
which
raise
a
red
flag
for
us,
which
we
would
consider.
We
recommend
considering
ways
to
eliminate
in
the
future.
N
Those
gates
would
currently
swing
across
lockwood
or
be
designed
in
some
fashion
to
cross
lockwood
as
sea
levels
rise
over
time.
Those
gates
may
be
closed
more
often
than
just
a
storm
surge
event,
and
that's
one
of
the
major
risks
here
that
they
would
cut
off
traffic
flow
and
other
aspects
of
lockwood
on
a
more
regular
basis.
N
The
trade-off
here
versus
gates
is
to
shift
the
alignment
farther
out
here
we
get
into
the
marsh
impact
question
and
the
conversation
with
regulatory
agencies.
That's
a
it's!
A
trade-off
elsewhere
along
lockwood,
we
think
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
to
consider
a
low
battery
type
structure,
especially
in
continuation
that
might
benefit
this
recreational
loop
from
the
low
battery
up
and
then
here's
a
just
a
diagram
of
what
the
course
combo
wall.
N
N
So
some
of
these
things
that
these
drawing
next
drawings
and
sections,
I
think
you
might
be
familiar
with
we've-
showed
you
before,
but
this
was
just
trying
to
capture
what
that
alignment
zone
means
not
to
make
a
recommendation
about
one
or
the
other,
but
to
capture
this
range
from
all
the
way.
The
inner
alignment
currently
proposed,
as
optimized
along
aqua
all
the
way
to
a
better
alignment,
and
maybe
there
is
an
opportunity
somewhere
in
between
that's
a
it's
a
happy
medium.
N
This
is
that
recommendation
underneath
to
avoid
the
gates
move
underneath
the
james
island,
connector.
O
Andy,
just
real
quick,
I'm
sorry
to.
O
Before
I
forget,
I
just
wanted
to
know
if
y'all
had
looked
at
the
proposed
ashley
river
bike,
ped
bridge
that
we're
working
so
hard
on
and
to
see
how
this
will
all
interplay
with
this,
I
wanted
to
hit
that
before
we
left
the
lockwood
corridor.
Thank
you.
N
Yeah
we
we
didn't
address
that
specifically
and
I'm
getting
a
wave
here
to
keep,
keep
moving
because
we're
running
short
on
time.
But
it's
it's
not
it's
not
short
answer.
Yes,
and
I
I
I
think
it
just
needs
to
have
future
study.
That's
part
of
this
holistic
approach.
N
It's
it's
one
of
it
shouldn't
be
a
casualty
of
this.
It's
happening
it
needs
to
be.
It
needs
to
be
wrapped
in.
C
Council
member
very
quickly,
this
is
mark.
We
had
the
hdr
folks,
along
with
the
our
city
folks,
along
with
the
corps,
had
a
meeting
about
two
weeks
ago
on
that
topic.
So
we
are
meeting
on
it
already
and
and
looking
at
how
we
make
sure
that
we
don't
get
in
each
other's
way
sounds
good.
N
It's
about
that
alignment
could
go
underneath
the
connector
here,
rather
than
gates,
moving
down
around
the
low
battery
again
just
the
options.
Maybe
the
inner
alignment
is
preserved
here
and
more
of
a
low
battery
type
construction,
maybe
in
the
future
more
like
a
high-value
type
construction,
but
linked,
and
perhaps
a
familiar
type
is
possible.
N
N
A
combo
wall
offshore
is
possible
here
and
maybe
a
hybrid
type
that
captures
some
other
type
of
water
management
or
public
park.
Space
in
between
these
may
be
considered.
Betterments
from
the
city,
maybe
there's
opportunities
to
fund
as
partial
mitigations
for
visual
impact
for
switzerland
et
cetera.
N
Here's
the
former
wave
attenuation.
That's
now
been
removed
from
the
from
the
cost
benefit,
but
it
might
come
back
in
a
future
form.
Maybe
not
this
project
just
a
reference
to
the
imagine
the
wall
and
some
ideas
there
that
ideas
that
still
have
value
as
part
of
these
multiple
lines.
N
Here's
the
reconstruction,
respect
versus
an
outer
alignment
of
combo
wall,
something
to
happen
in
between
I'm
zooming
out
here.
This
is
a
complicated
area
how
the
alignment
moves
through
blue
student
park
up
towards
the
bottom
edge
warfare
park.
N
These
questions
will
be
raised
more
specifically
in
ped
phase,
but
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
concept
is
there
at
this
level
and
we
want
to
make
sure
all
of
the
opportunities
for
alternatives
from
the
table
waterfront
park.
The
alignment
is
currently
close
into
the
buildings.
There
might
be
some
tree
and
ecological
impacts
there.
That's
going
through
the
line
of
a
line
of
live
oaks,
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
to
elevate
a
promenade
recreation
and
preserve
some
of
that
existing
ecology.
N
N
So
you
see
this.
This
section's
taken
a
little
funded
up
in
columbus
terminal,
but
the
principle
was
the
same
on
union:
pier,
avoid
the
impacts
to
this
constricted
zone
of
street
and
infrastructure
buildings
at
the
city
and
locate
the
gate
closer
to
the
warehouses,
outboard
that
opens
that
avoids
this
complicated
alignment
along
washington
and
columbus
street.
It
protects
that
transient.
Cargo,
which
I
mentioned,
is
not
part
of
the
cost
benefit,
but
is
nonetheless,
crucially
valuable
for
the
state,
the
state's
economy,
so
this
is
fundamental
museum
district
in
between
is
a
really
tricky
spot.
N
I
don't
have
much
to
advise
on
this
location
because
it's
so
difficult,
I
mean
it
needs
more
study
where
this
alignment
might
go
to
protect
these
assets
between
the
two
properties
moving
up
to
columbus.
There.
You
see
the
air
alignment
which
avoids
this
gate
over
a
road.
It
avoids
a
lot
of
the
constriction
and
impacts
to
the
city
along
east
bay,
morrison
and
then,
as
we
move
up
above
above
in
the
east
side,
moving
up
towards
the
neck
recommendation
to
avoid
consider
avoiding
the
morrison
impacts.
N
N
Essentially
this
keeps
the
railroad
operation
within
the
protection,
avoids
the
gates,
streamlines
the
port
protection
and
avoids
those
urban
impacts
along
morrison.
There
are
some
marsh
impacts
to
be
explored
and
some
constructability
impacts
to
be
explored.
N
Okay,
returning
to
the
east
side
question
here
about
community,
these
are
some
of
the
drawings
from
the
dutch
dialogues,
but
this
is
a
this
is
a
district
approach
to
thinking
here.
The
wall
doesn't
only
affect
the
perimeter,
it
affects
new
market
creek
and
some
of
the
internal
hydrology.
Specifically,
this
is
one
of
the
zones
proposed
for
permanent
pump
station
and
in
the
course
feasibility
phase.
N
So
engagement
is
needed
here.
It's
especially
important
here,
whether
or
not
the
phase
the
phases,
change
and
and
note,
regardless
of
the
alignment.
N
Okay,
here
you
see
that
marilyn
monroe
morrison,
apparently
the
optimized
versus
the
alignment
along
the
rail
versus
potentially
something
farther
out.
N
Those
farther
out
have
consequences
and
impacts
in
the
marsh
marsh
mitigation
costs
in
the
present,
but
potentially
in
the
future,
that
extra
internal
space
captured
could
help
alleviate
flooding
within
the
perimeter.
It
becomes
a
space
for
storm
water
storage
and
water
management
inside
the
line
all
right
moving
to
wagner
terrace
in
the
citadel
again
far
more
community
engagement
is
needed
here,
that's
possible,
since
this
is
considered
as
phase
four.
Currently,
it's
not
projected
to
happen
for
a
while.
N
Even
the
bed
phase
for
preliminary
engineering
and
design
so
impacts
to
be
considered
the
citadel
future
growth
projected
at
the
citadel.
What
happens
on
that
marsh
edge
needs
to
be
needs
to
be
discussed.
N
N
That's
something
that
just
requires
much
more
conversation.
This
eis
is
beginning
so
currently
proposed
the
red
line.
35
feet
off
shores.
Bus
is
mentioning
is
something
like
this
on
the
wall
offshore.
N
Maybe
this
is
an
extreme
option,
moving
out
to
the
edge
after
a
lot
of
marsh
impact,
indirect
or
direct
impact
in
the
marsh,
maybe
there's
another
way,
which
is
primarily
nature
based.
Maybe
it's
knocking
down
some
water
and
adapting
buildings
on
shore
in
a
different
way,
something
worth
talking
about
with
people
and
and
residents
there.
N
It's
particularly
it's
particularly
possible
here,
because
wagner
terrace
is
what's
called
severable
from
the
rest
of
the
plan
you
see
in
the
orange.
This
is
a
12
foot
kind
of
12
foot,
high
ground
kind
of
creates
a
backstop
here
around
wagner
terrace,
so
the
neighborhood
itself
is
not
impacted
by
what
happens
in
terms
of
flooding
or
water
levels
elsewhere
in
the
city
and
at
the
same
time,
water
levels
in
wagner
terrace
don't
affect
anywhere
else
with
with
a
limited
closure
up
by
the
highway.
N
N
N
N
N
It's
just
one
increment,
and
we
see
opportunities
in
increments
down
the
line
for
the
city
to
reconsider
its
posture
if
it
desires,
if
the
project
is
not
meeting
its
needs,
so
the
risks
are
great
enough.
We
believe,
and
there
and
the
pathways
exist
within
the
course
process,
to
achieve
the
city's
goals,
and
so
we
recommend
proceeding
incrementally.
N
N
Okay
number
two:
this
is
the
water
plan
recommendation,
integrate
the
water
issues
and
opportunities
with
land
use
and
development,
and
all
these
ongoing
efforts
on
the
peninsula,
it's
got
to
be
spatial
and
nature
based
and
design
driven
charleston
is
a
design
city.
It's
not
necessarily
that
charleston
needs
another
study
or
another
plan.
It's
that
these
efforts
need
to
be
integrated
in
the
way
that
anticipates
the
changes
that
are
coming
at
the
perimeter.
N
The
city
has
a
department,
leadership,
working
group
that
has
a
weekly
or
bi-weekly
call.
We
recommend
considering
that
beginning
continuing
that
beginning
further
coordination
with
other
agencies
engage
the
public.
The
mayor
has
created
this
3x3
advisory
council,
which
is
which
is
great.
I
applaud
that
and
encourage
a
regional,
local
and
regional
business
community
to
be
involved
and
and
other
parts
of
charleston
other
residents
and
citizens
see
remove
from
consideration,
alignments
and
related
options
that
are
unacceptable
to
avoid
wasting
time
talking
about
things
that
nobody
wants.
N
If
there
is
a
alignment
that
all
stakeholders
prefer
that
that
is
better
in
the
city's
interest,
we
recommend
to
stop
talking
about
the
others
and
move
forward
with
a
good
idea
d
devise
an
information
strategy
portal
someplace,
where
all
this
information
is
excessive,
readily
accessible
and
others
can
find
what
they
need
I'll
leave
it
there.
This
was
a
fire
hose
of
information.
N
B
M
P
David
mayor,
can
I
just
yeah,
I've
been
quiet
and,
and
that's
on
purpose.
I
have
wiser
people
around
me
and
wiser
people
in
charleston.
But
let
me
just
say
this
is
a
contextual
process
to
move
forward.
We
applaud
what
the
corps
is
doing.
They
are
constricted
or
confined
by
regulation.
P
There
is
no
criticism
of
them,
but
they
are
restricted
to
surge
and
that's
okay,
because
surge
is
one
of
the
water
threats
that
charleston
must
deal
with
and
we
say
must
because
one
event,
one
ugly
surge
event
and
you
had
three
major
storms
nearby
2015
2016
2017.
If
one
of
them
would
hit
charleston,
it
would
have
been
deadly
and
costly
and
you'd
still
be
recovering.
P
So
dealing
with
your
surge
risk
is
essential,
but
it
is
not
your
only
risk
and
let
me
put
it
this
way
if
you
have
a
surge
structure
in
place,
the
cost
of
constructing
that
and
maintaining
that
will
be
far
less
most
likely,
most
likely
than
the
cost
of
repairing
for
restoring
and
recovering
from
one
storm.
That's
the
evidence
around
the
world.
P
So
the
core
effort
on
surge
is
a
is
an
important
necessary
start,
but
it
is
not
everything
you
have
to
deal
with
and
what
we've
tried
to
show
you
here
is
within
this
context,
within
this
three
by
three
study
feasibility
study
and
within
the
the
future
phases
of
ped
and
any
nad
and
ped,
and
going.
F
P
P
O
You
know
maybe
I'll
save
mine
for
the
open
discussion-
part
if
that's
still
part
of
the
program.
B
O
Sure,
thanks
mayor
and
and
dale,
I
think
you
mentioned
this,
and
this
has
been
something
that's
been
in
my
mind.
Really,
since
the
beginning
of
my
awareness
of
this
effort
is
we
keep
saying
that
the
project
focus
is,
is
restricted
to
surge
and
is
it
can?
Can
we
just?
I
just
want
to
understand
this.
O
I
mean
is
this
the
product
of
like
national
politics
that
they,
they
couldn't
say,
climate
change
and
sea
level
rise,
and
so
they
had,
I
mean
is
that
what
what's
going
on
here
I
mean
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that
and
what's
people's
understanding
of
the
origin
of
all
this,
because
I
mean
I'm
just
somebody
who
thinks
you
know
if
if
this
whole
process
is
being
governed
and
sort
of
hamstrung
by
that
framing
of
this
issue,
I
mean
I
that
that
just
raises
a
whole
lot
of
questions.
Yeah
I
mean.
P
Yes,
well
I
mean
here's
what
here's,
how
I
respond,
councilman
pre-disaster
planning
that
the
corps
of
engineers
does
is
is
fairly
limited.
Okay,
they
don't
get
into
zoning,
they
don't
get
into
land
use,
I
mean
they're,
not
they're
not
allowed
to.
That
is
local
right.
P
This
is
this
issue
of
federalism,
so
what
the
corps
of
engineers
does
is
when
they
look
at
risk
that
they
can
deal
with
it's
surge
risk
that
has
an
impact
to
the
national
economy,
and
then
they
have
lower
levels
of
regional,
regional
economic
impacts
right,
so
the
corps
of
engineers
looks
at
that,
and
it's
primarily
surged
that
they're
able
to
say
we
can
do
something
about
this.
So
that's
why
their
focus
is
in
free
disaster
planning
is
on
dealing
with
or
mitigating
the
surge
risk
to
national
economic
interest
right.
P
Okay,
so
that's
this
ned
milestone
that
has
to
be
met
that
isn't.
That
is
existing
policy.
It's
been
long-standing
policy.
There
are
a
few
places
in
the
u.s
as
an
exception
where
the
core
of
engineers
has
done
other
things,
including
in
new
orleans
and
in
st
louis
and
a
few
other
places,
but
mostly
it's
surge.
P
Post-Disaster
money
is
just
thrown
at
a
city,
that's
or
a
place,
that's
dealing
with
impacts
from
a
storm
and
then
it's
the
corps
of
engineers
and
then
it's
fema
and
it's
hot
and
it's
d.o.t
and
it's
a
it's
the
whole
panoply
of
federal
agencies
that
are
trying
to
respond.
So
the
pers,
the
pre-disaster.
P
This
feasibility
study
is,
is
really
limited
by
law
to
surgery,
this
surgeries
reduction,
simply
because
all
those
other
things
regarding
land
use
and
transportation
and
all
that
stuff
and
storm
water
management
and
groundwater
management.
The
core
just
doesn't
do
that
because
that's
local
responsibility
sometimes
state,
but
mostly
local,
and
we
know
how
locals
feel
about
federal
intrusion
and
the
corps
of
engineers
has
respected
that.
So
that's
the
that's.
The
genesis
of
the
policy.
B
Could
I
add
to
that
discussion
that
the
court
did
increase
their
estimate
of
sea
level
rise
for
this
feasibility
study?
Wes
mentioned
that
to
1.43
feet
now
you
could
argue
well.
Our
estimate
is
a
little
bit
higher,
but
councilmember
they're
not
like
denying
climate
change
and
the
fact
the
sea
level
rise
is
occurring.
They
they
work
that
into
the
model.
You
could
say
well,
gee,
it
might
be
more
conservative
to
say
it's
two
and
a
half
feet
versus
one
1.4
feet,
but
they
do
have
that
baked
into
the
model.
P
Right
and-
and
let
me
add
one
of
the
things
that
the
core
of
engineers
does
and
we
work
with
the
core
we
worked
with
core.
I
worked
with
the
core
with
when
I
was
in
the
dutch,
because
they
have
this
interaction
with
you.
How
do
you
deal
with
surge
risk
and
other
risk?
The
corps
of
engineers
is
not
afraid
of
seat
over
eyes
or
they're,
not
afraid
to
mention
that,
internally
or
externally,
they
just
have
certain
criteria
that
they
have
to
follow
by
regulation.
P
P
We
know
that
the
most
difficult
thing
for
the
corps
of
engineers
in
the
past-
but
there
is
a
really
a
very
positive
development
in
the
last
two
or
three
years-
is
the
corps
of
engineers
is
trying
to
understand
not
how
to
mitigate
surge
solely
with
concrete
and
steel,
or
you
know,
hard
structures,
they're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
quantify
benefits
from
natural
nature
based
and
softer
features
so
that
they
can
plug
that
into
their
bca
process,
so
their
bcrs
can
incorp
their
bcr
can
have
an
output
that
incorporates
that
they're,
not
there
yet
they're,
not
there
yet,
but
they're
moving
in
that
direction,
and
it
is
very
exciting
for
a
lot
of
folks.
P
So
so
again
the
focus
on
this
wall.
The
structure
you
can
see
what
was
shown
is
simply
because
that's
what
the
core
does
and
what
it
has.
It
has
externalities.
As
we
say
in
economics,
there
are
serious
externalities
with
the
concrete
structure,
but
that's
what
they
do
and
a
concrete
structure
does
mitigate
surgeries
very
effectively.
We'll
talk
to
the
dutch
about
it.
They.
M
But
but
again
it's
an
integrated
approach
in
our
country's
a
state
of
the
art
is
is
not
high
in
that
respect,
and
that
is
again
no
offense
to
the
core.
It
is
the
set
of
rules
with
which
we
operate.
They're,
not
effective,
charleston
south
carolina
could
be
a
model
for
a
way
to
think
about
an
effective
set
of
rules,
but
that
would
require
some
external
research
money,
but
you're
perfect
you're
a
perfect
case
for
further
study
of
what
it
should
be,
not
what
it
is,
the
regulations
the
corps
operates
under
do
not
maximize.
M
In
our
terms.
You
know
everybody
has
different
understandings
of
words.
You
know
optimize.
What
does
that
mean?
Well,
that's
the
discussion
that,
if
you're
going
to
be
a
you
know
polar
model
of
older
city,
a
political
place
that
understands
water
and
self-interest
in
its
investment
profile
and
self-determining,
and
the
king
city
and
the
and
god
city,
and
all
that
you
know
you're
going
to
have
to
take
on
yourselves,
because
right
now,
dale
did
a
brilliant
job
of
explaining.
How
we
got
here,
question
is:
where
are
we
going
to
go
and
you're
the
front
line.
P
Whatever
a
mark
for
the
rest
of
the
nation,
a
mark
for
other
places,
there
is
enough:
we've
tried
to
show
you
ways
to
work
with
the
corps
of
engineers
to
get
there.
It's
not
going
to
be
easy,
we're
not
going
to
be
perfect,
but
we
can
improve
this
process.
If
we
do
this
right,
we
meaning
the
collectively.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
to
everybody
who's.
You
know
continuing
our
education
in
real
time.
I
I
just
can't
tell
you
how
much
we
respect
and
appreciate
y'all
for
for
all
those
reasons,
I
I
just
wanted
to
follow
on
to
what
david
was
saying
about.
Charleston
has
the
chance
to
be.
You
know,
sort
of
like
the
the
poster
child
of
something
new
and
integrated,
and-
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
I'm
assuming
that
the
answer
is,
we
don't
have
to
stop
one
to
pick
up
another
right.
We
we
can.
Q
M
I'm
not
the
one
to
answer
that.
That's
up
to
you!
Yes,
you
can
you.
Could
you
know
it's
the
question
of
capability
of
the
city
financially
and
others,
and
the
ability
to
get
somebody
in
washington
to
say
that'd
be
a
good
place
to
spend
a
couple
million
dollars
right.
That'd,
be
a
place
to
figure
out
what
really,
because
the
your
perfect
scale
and
your
beautiful
model,
beautiful.
F
Well,
david,
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
touch
on
on
that
and
councilmember
jackson's
question.
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
that,
in
listening
to
your
presentation
today
and
the
many
many
presentations
you've
given
about
charleston
and
other
places,
it's
not
just
of
the
country
but
around
the
world.
An
integrated
and
integrative
approach
has
always
been
sort
of
the
one
of
the
core
major
premise:
principles
and
council
member
jackson's
question
about
separating
out
the
army
corps
from
everything
else.
We
need
to
do
to
me.
While
it's
possible
would
not
be
optimal.
F
But
if
we
go
through
all
four
phases
of
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
project
we're
looking
at
30
to
40
years
down
the
road-
and
you
know
many
of
the
assumptions
that
will
have
been
built
into
the
army
corps
project
and
other
projects,
including
the
sea
level
rise
projections
are
going
to
adjust
upwards
right.
So
it
just
seems
to
me
I'm
hoping
that
we
will,
with
with
yours
and
others,
guidance
figure
out
a
way
to
integrate
the
perimeter
system
with
other
needs
that
we've
got
not
just
on,
but
off
the
peninsula.
B
Right
and
that's
recommendation
number
two
right
and
that's
where
I
believe,
we've
been
heading
for
the
last
few
years,
frankly
with
our
strategies
and
all
the
things
that
we're
working
on
but
yeah
continuing
to
integrate
all
those
things
together
is
a
challenge
before
us.
A
Oh,
I
mean
all
of
this.
Is
you
know?
Frankly,
some
of
this
information
is
awestruck.
I
mean
it's
great
information,
I
mean
core
and
obviously
the
information
recently
provided.
I
actually
think
that
portion
is
a
little
bit
more
organized
than
our
funding
portion.
A
This
community
has
funded
billion
dollar
opportunities
in
the
past,
but
it
takes
a
momentum
to
do
it
and
then
by
if
you
say
what
are
you
talking
about?
I'm
sure
you
remember
this
too.
I
remember
when
john
graham
altman
for
new
folks.
He
used
to
be
a
very
vibrant
chairman
of
the
school
board
and
he
referred
to
75
calhoun
street.
If
you
all
are
familiar
with
that
building
is
the
taj
mahal.
He
thought
it
was.
A
Long
story
short:
there
were
a
series
of
half
cent
sales
tax
bond
referendums
to
improve
our
physical
plant.
When
we
would
try
to
recruit
industry
to
the
area,
we
didn't
have
a
good
high
school
to
carry
them
to
we
would
carry
our
recruiters
up
at
the
regional
development
alliance.
Would
carry
them
to
stratford,
would
carry
them
to
somerville
high,
because
mount
pleasant
had
wando
had,
I
think,
71
trailers,
or
something
like
that
out
there.
A
You
can't
recruit
industry
in
if,
if
you
have
to
pay
people
to
put
their
kids
in
private
school,
that
said
it
was
a
momentum.
Consultants
were
hired
to
help
pass,
half
cent
sales
tax
referendum,
which
fast
forward
15
years
school
district,
has
spent
over
1.4
billion
dollars.
A
Building
new
schools
in
the
child
you'd
be
hard-pressed
to
find
a
school
today
in
charleston
county,
that's
dilapidated
might
have
some
trouble
with
curriculum,
but
the
physical
plant
looks
great
highways.
You
know
ravenel
bridge
the
option
was
we
needed
600
million
to
build
it?
We
needed
a
half
cent
sales
tax
to
do
some
other
roads.
It
was
one
point
two
or
three
billion
dollars.
It
took
momentum
in
a
campaign
to
get
that
you
know
half
cents
sales
tax
pass
and
now
you
know
we
got
the
ravenel
bridge.
A
A
But
if
we
don't
put
together,
we
can't
tax
our
people
to
that
level.
It
has
to
be
a
a
concerted
effort
from
a
campaign
standpoint,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
can
do
a
half
cent
sales
tax
for
the
city,
but
something
different
and
the
funding
mechanism
on
the
local
level
has
to
be
engaged
for
us
to
be
able
to
generate.
I
think
we
can
do
it
now.
A
Don't
get
me
wrong
to
get
the
collective
monies
to
be
able
to
get
the
comprehensive
fix
now,
if
that's
going
to
be
a
city,
half
cent
sales,
tax
or
whatever,
but
I
know
one
thing:
it's
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
done
through
property
taxes.
It's
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
done
through
stormwater
fees
alone.
A
And
when
I
say
we
I'm
talking
all
13
of
us
and
more
on
how
we
can
have
a
broad
approach
to
make
for
our
citizens
to
say
you
know
it
makes
sense,
yeah
I'll
pay
that
fee.
If
we
get
these
fixes
in
place-
and
you
know
my
driveway
quit
flooding
in
my
backyard,
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
it.
Coming
up
to
my
steps
and
threatening
my
home,
I
guess
in
part
that's
one
reason
that
in
a
small
way
I
said
we
need
to
put
these
signs
out
there.
A
A
We
need
to
tell
our
story
better,
because
when
people
see
that
we've
got
work
going
on
from
one
end
of
the
city
to
the
other,
which
we
are
in
a
campaign
type
way
when
we
comfortable,
we
do
come
for
a
comprehensive
fix
people
all
across
this
city
will
say:
yeah
they've
been
in
my
community
right
down
my
street.
They
fixed
this
problem,
it's
been
there
for
20
years
and
we
don't
have
that
problem
anymore
and
we
got
stories
like
that.
A
Tell
we
that
we
can
tell
that
we've
been
beginning
to
do
all
over
this
city.
That's
why
last
meeting
I
was
a
little
bit
intimidated
by
this
rebuy
three
committee,
because
I
I
am
intimidated
by
creating
parochialism
when
it
comes
to
draining
stormwater
dollars
we've.
A
This
community
has
been
there
before
you've
taken
us
away
from
there,
and
I
don't
want
to
go
back
to
that
so,
but
a
broad
campaign,
eventually
we're
going
to
have
to
go
to
our
citizens
and
ask
for
money,
ask
for
money
in
a
broad
way
to
find
the
dollars
to
do
the
match
on
this
and
not
asking
for
an
answer
today.
A
But
I
do
believe
we
need
to
have
some
sort
of
brainstorming
session
on
how
to
you
know
the
reason
I
brought
up:
half
cents-
that's
probably
some
of
the
most
cost
effective
dollars
that
we
spend
in
this
community.
You
know
nobody
talked
about
the
revenue
bridge
being
over
cost.
You
know
why,
because
it
came
in
under
the
budget.
All
these
schools
we've
built.
Nobody
has
said
boy,
one
of
them
has
been
a
boondoggle,
not
even
one
out
of
1.4
billion.
A
If
we
take
that
same
approach-
and
we
learn
from
that,
we
can
build
a
momentum
to
get
money
in
a
broad
way.
So
you
know
half
cent
sales
tax
on
a
local
level.
I
don't
know
if
the
state
allows
us
to
do
that.
If
we
need
to
get
the
law
changed,
it
probably
doesn't,
but
I
can
remember
when
we
didn't
have
local
option
sales
taxes
dude,
that's
something
that
had
to
be
approached
from
the
state
level.
Everything
was
came
through
colombia
and
and
then
the
politicians
said
you
know
what
mikey.
A
If
you
want
to
raise
taxes
down
in
your
locale,
you
can
do
it,
and
you
know
what
we've
done
wonders
with
people
up
around
rock
hill
and
outside
of
charlotte
has
done
wonderful
with
it
with
their
roadways
and
things
up
there.
So
I
say
all
that
to
say
when
it
comes
to
the
strategy
that
we're
going
to
employ
to
garner
the
dollars
to
match,
you
know
between
six
and
probably
800
million
dollars.
Is
you
know
we?
A
We
have
to
think
collectively
on
that,
mr
mayor
and
I'm
eager
to
get
to
that
part,
because
we
can't
get
to
the
point
of
having
communities
compete
against
one
another
for
limited,
limited
dollars
that
we
have
now.
B
Amen,
I
I
concur
and
it
will
take
that
kind
of
big
marketing
effort,
and
it's
not
just
the
construction
as
as
dale
and
and
andy
and
and
david
have
pointed
out,
it's
the
maintenance
and
and
operation
of
the
system
over
time
as
well.
It
has
to
be
sustainable,
it
has
to
be
an
income
source,
that's
going
to
continue
over
time
that
allows
us
to
operate
this
system
and
not
just
the
perimeter
wall
system,
but
the
the
the
the
integrated
water
plan
system.
It's
it's
got
to
be
the
whole
package.
B
And
yeah
a
lot
a
lot
more,
a
lot
of
thought
has
gone
into
it,
not
enough.
Yet
that
is
one
of
the
directives
for
our
advisory
committee
that
that
we're
forming
that
they
explore
the
financing
options,
that
other
cities
and
and
and
jurisdictions
have
done
with
some
similar
projects
around
the
country
and
and
make
recommendations
back
to
us,
and
that
will
happen
this
year.
I
know
amy
and
mark
have
been
to
conferences,
and
a
lot
of
thought
has
been
put
into
it
already,
but
we
got
a
lot.
B
B
I
don't
think
it
will
pass
this
year,
but
this
would
be
a
an
incredible
case
in
point
to
to
to
make
in
colombia
that
there's
a
need
for
for
us
to
have
that
authority
so
anyway,
you're
right
on
point
absolutely
councilman.
Thank
you.
H
Mayor
this
is
doug
gregory
again,
the
only
thing
I
would
add
when
you
say
full
package-
and
I
agree
with
you
when,
when
we
talk
about
this,
we're
we're
focusing
on
the
peninsula,
but
if
we
were
to
do
a
half
cent
sales
tax,
I
think
the
question
is
going
to
be
what's
in
it
for
me
when
we
start
looking
west
of
the
ashley
in
other
parts,
so
we
do
something
like
that.
H
B
Clear
that
the
core,
you
know,
scope
this
analysis,
this
whole
project
based
on
where
they
thought
the
best
cost
benefit
would
occur.
B
I
mean
we,
we
have
a
lot
of,
and
many
of
them
are
structural
building
employment
assets
that
happen
to
be
on
the
peninsula,
and
you
know,
that's
that's
what
drove
the
focus
area
for
the
study
and
that
right,
yeah,
that's
right!.
P
Yeah
I
mean
it's
as
valuable
as
all
of
our
homes.
Are
they
don't
they?
They?
They
don't
touch
the
value
of
a
big
corporation
or
a
big
of
a
big
port
structure
or
of
historical
facilities
right.
So
the
core.
P
Isn't
it
isn't
involved
in
protecting
whatever
neighborhoods
they
wagner?
Terrorists
might
be
an
exception
right
because.
E
B
Hospitals,
you
know
colleges,
universities
right,
so
so
that's
how
we
got
here
and-
and
I
mean
I
get
it-
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
from
from
the
parameters
they're
working
under,
but
we
have
to
have
an
integrated
plan
for
the
whole
city
of
charleston,
for
all
our
citizens
and-
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
going
to
do
so-
andy
and
and
dale
david.
Thank
you
all
for
for
being
our
partners
and
and
helping
us
walk
through
this
as
well.
B
You
all
are
amazing
and-
and
we
look
forward
to
continuing
our
partnership
mark,
you
want
to
come
back
with
any
closing
comments
or.
C
I'm
going
to
make
these
real
short
mayor
just
because
of
time.
I
want
to
be
respectful
I'll.
Just
tell
council
that
you
know:
we've
got
great
partners
with
the
corps.
We
get
great
advice
and
partnership
with
wagner
and
ball,
and
our
intent
is
to
keep
working
through
until
we
get
to
august
september
time
frame
we'll
come
back
to
you
with
more
decisions
at
that
time
and
other
than
that.
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
the
great
questions
and
the
interaction.
C
This
has
been
really
helpful
and
we
will
come
back
and
answer
questions
and
have
discussions
as
frequently
as
you
would
like,
and
maybe
make
it
a
regular
update
that
we
do
on
occasions.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
There's
a
lot
more
to
do
we're
not
anywhere
close
to
done.
There's
a
lot
of
work
to
do,
particularly
with
the
cis.
It's
going
to.
It's
gonna
require
a
lot
of
work
to
push
through
the
eis
over
the
next
four
to
five
months.
So,
thank
you
all
very
much
and
it's
getting
late.