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Description
City of Charleston Special City Council Meeting -Sumar Street 2
B
We
are
going
to
have
a
Public
Presentation
here.
First
before
we
consider
legal
advice
and
Mr
Eric
Pullman
of
our
planning
department
is
going
to
give
a
little
presentation
and
then
Amy
Wharton
from
Finance
may
follow
up
just
with
a
little
repeat
of
what.
But
anyway,
let's
get
started
with
Eric
and
and
I'll
get
out
the
way.
C
All
right
is
this
one
on
yeah
all
right,
so
hello
welcome,
thank
you
for
having
us
all
here
again
on
this
afternoon
to
talk
about
sumar
Street,
as
the
mayor
mentioned.
He
wanted
me
to
recap
the
history
overall.
So
that
way,
when
we
are
considering
all
the
facets,
as
we
go
into
the
executive
session,
we
are
fully
remembering
how
we
got
to
the
point
that
we
are
at
mainly
because
we're
going
to
go
all
the
way
back
to
2016.
C
C
This
is
the
site
plan
that
was
submitted
back
in
2016
to
the
design
review
board,
which
shows
just
a
convenience
store
and
the
gas
station
pumps
located
on
site.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
saw
this
so
remembered
where
we
came
from
when
we
get
to
the
final
product,
because
this
was
a
a
measure
that
the
original
Faison
team
was
suggesting
for
this
location.
Was
they
would
reserve
the
front
portion
and
we
might
be
able
to
use
that
for
some
other
retail
function?
C
Then
we
entered
plan
West
Ashley
in
2018
with
the
plan.
By
this
point
we
had
purchased
out
the
parcel
and
the
the
idea
when
we
purchased
out
the
parcel
was
that
the
city
and
county
could
move
forward
with
the
half
cent
sales
tax
and
realigning
the
road,
and
it
gives
some
more
flexibility
to
to
the
location
in
terms
of
Redevelopment.
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C
C
So
July
2018
we
so
after
the
adoption
of
plan
was
actually
we
went
through
a
two-day
workshop
where
Alan
Davis
and
his
team
sat
down
and
we
drew
out
anyone
who
walked
in
the
door
and
wanted
to
see
what
a
development
looked
like
on.
Here
we
drew
it
out.
They
would
we
had
people
request
everything
from
Cracker,
Barrel
and
Cheesecake
Factory.
One
small
child
really
wanted
to
see
what
a
go-kart
track
would
look
like
on
it.
C
So
we
we
did
have
some
good
fun
good
input,
but
then
there
was
also
some
other
serious
items
along
it.
With
wanting
a
Performing,
Arts
Center
wanting
more
of
an
Avondale
feel
to
the
location
as
part
of
that
Workshop,
we
also
had
an
online
survey
that
was
up
for
30
days.
We
had
927
respondents,
733
of
them
were
residents
of
West
Ashley.
To
give
you
some
comparisons
with
other
surveys,
the
city
has
done
recently
plan
West
Ashley
had
255
respondents
to
their
30-day
survey.
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C
C
Other
top
priorities
were
the
safety
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists,
improving
landscaping
and
improving
the
intersections
around
the
area,
and
that
would
take
us
right
to
the
half
cent
sales
tax
with
the
county.
They
were
coming
up
on
that
project
right
about
the
time
we
were
finishing
up
our
input
session.
They
started
theirs
regarding
the
realignment
of
Sam,
Rittenberg
and
Old
Town
Road.
Their
project
went
from
about
August
2018
to
November
2020.,
so
they
had
a
two-year
input
process
where
they
repeatedly
had
new
designs.
Coming
forward
to
the
public
for
review
and
being
good
Municipal
Partners.
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C
Oh
I
can't
remember
it's
off.
Orange
Grove
Road,
one
of
the
churches
along
there,
but
pretty
pretty
good
attendance
for
being
held
the
week
before
Christmas
the
county.
The
residents
got
to
see
what
was
being
proposed
in
terms
of
the
roadways
and
then
you
can
see
Alan
Davis
down
in
the
bottom
right.
We
had
our
presentation
showing.
How
do
we
fit
our
program
onto
these
different
Design
Elements
for
for
the
county,
so
the
county
went
through
and
then
they
went
from
having
about
six
different
designs.
C
They
whittled
it
down
to
two
different
designs
for
the
roadways
and
that
was
by
July
2019
again,
we
went
through
an
effort
with
Alan
Davis
in
the
Urban
Design
Department.
In
addition
to
that,
we
also
had
the
Uli
technical
assistance
panel
come
out
and
make
sure
that
whatever
we
were
proposing
would
be
good
for
the
market
in
terms
of
being
able
to
be
realistic
and
buildable.
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C
It
was
probably
about
a
this
was
before
the
presentation
started
when
I
still
had
time
to
take
photos
once
the
actual
presentations
were
going,
it
was
standing
room
only
on
the
side.
So
at
that
presentation
we
went
through
the
different
development
styles
that
could
accommodate
on
the
different
County
layouts
for
the
roadways.
For
these
two
elements
we
also
went
over
with
them.
This
is
what
the
Uli
technical
assistance
panel
came
up
with.
C
That
would
be
Market
feasible
on
this
location
and
it
called
for
having
office
with
parking
deck,
a
Civic
building,
multi-story
and
another
office
with
small
scale.
Retail
again
Podium
parking
under
this
is
what
the
Uli
panel
said
would
happen.
During
that
meeting,
we
heard
from
the
community,
though,
and
what
they
basically
said
was.
They
did
not
want
to
see
any
above
ground
parking
decks.
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C
C
Coming
back
to
our
project,
though,
after
all
that
input
we
gathered
it
all
up,
looked
over,
it
reassessed
what
we
could
do
on
our
parcel-
and
this
is
what
came
to
you
guys
in
the
fall
of
2019
I-
think
September
late
September.
This
came
to
you
guys.
Alan
Davis
made
a
presentation
in
this
room
and
what
it
broke
out
was
that
this
is
what
the
city
would
be
recommending
to
go
onto
the
parcel
that
we
owned,
as
is
knowing
that
the
likelihood
was
a
no
build
option
at
this
location.
C
So
after
we
put
the
RFQ
out,
Landmark
responded
back
and
what
they
responded
back
with
was
a
little
bit
of
a
different
number
when
they
came
into
us.
What
they
suggested
was
actually
increasing
the
private
sector
side
and
slightly
decreasing
the
Civic
side
and
guys
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
this.
That
was
basically
to
try
and
help
balance
out
how
you
could
do
the
pro
forma
of
building
this
as
a
public-private
partnership,
correct
all
right
with
that
may
2020.
We
showed
off
to
the
West
Ashley
commission,
the
different
footprint
styles.
C
C
C
That's
how
we
got
to
our
final
plan
here
as
we
move
through
the
process
as
we
move
through
everything
we
have
adopted
a
Uli
shared
parking
standard
to
accommodate
all
the
different
uses
that
are
going
to
occur
on
this
parcel
to
maximize
the
square
feet
as
we
can.
We
have
you
know
we.
We
are
getting
out
of
this.
A
new
Civic
structure,
along
with
new
city
offices
and
a
community
Gathering
Spot,
that's
a
park
along
with
in
the
short-term
future,
some
type
of
Entry
style.
Fountain,
that's
going
to
really
help.
You
understand.
C
What
what
landmark
is
getting
out
of
this
is
foundationally
three
structures
it.
It
looks
like
four
on
the
first
floor
plan,
but
that's
because
the
third
structure
down
near
Sam,
Rittenberg
and
sumar
street
is
actually
it's
a
build
over
with
a
Breezeway
that
starts
that
pedestrian
Alleyway
that
runs
down
the
middle
and
up
to
our
building.
C
We
are
getting
restaurant
spaces
retail
spaces
in
small
square
footprints
that
are
going
to
be
very
adaptable
to
small
businesses
coming
in.
These
are
not
large
footprints
that
small
businesses
won't
be
able
to
accommodate.
That
is
the
goal
of
the
community.
That
was
our
goal.
That
is
what
landmark
has
helped
us
achieve.
C
Some
other
things
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
was
the
roadway
traffic
Counts
from
2021
Sam
Rittenberg
handles
about
19
000
cars,
average
daily
trips
per
day
and
Old
Town
handles
about
20
000
cars,
average
daily
trips
per
day,
and
then
sumar
Street
itself,
you're,
looking
at
200
right
now,
so
these
roads
are
very
specifically
designed
to
handle
exactly
what
this
location
is.
It's
an
important
Junction
in
the
city.
This
is
currently
who
visits
the
Ashley
Landing
area.
C
C
This
one
got
a
little
bit
faded
out,
but
this
was
something
else
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
This
is
a
5,
10
and
20
minute
drive
radius
of
this
location,
something
that
you'll
pick
up
is
that
within
20
minute
drive
the
entirety
of
City
Annex
Parcels
can
get
to
this
spot
and
it
is
again
a
long
two
major
roadways
you're
not
having
to
thread
through
downtown
traffic.
You
are
not
having
to
navigate
side
streets.
C
C
C
Additional
requirements
that
we
put
on
them
as
city
is
that
the
site
needs
to
accomplish
Charleston
Rises,
which
is
our
version
of
lead,
Green
Building
standards,
and
that
also
needs
to
accommodate
for
Dutch
dialogues,
which
they
are
doing
with
underground
detention
and
actually
the
parking
structure,
as
proposed
with
underground.
We'll
do
additional
water
storage
during
catastrophic
Water
Events,
helping
the
area
and
not
flooding
it
out,
because
this
is
some
of
the
highest
driest
ground
that
we
have
around
here.
D
D
In
addition
to
what
Eric
has
reported
to
you
as
to
the
number
of
public
input
sessions,
we've
had,
that
does
not
include
my
constituent
meetings
over
the
period
of
time
from
beginning
in
2016.
My
meetings
are
usually
on
either
Saturday
or
Thursday
at
Charlestown,
landing
on
to
some
location.
So
the
14
meetings
are
the
minimum
and
I
think
probably
over
time.
In
addition
to
my
meetings,
I
also
attended
a
special
meeting
at
Westminster
Presbyterian
church,
so
close
to
20
public
input
meetings
have
been
engaged
with
discussion,
review
input
of
this
particular
project.
E
E
My
question
is:
did
something
change
so
that
we
didn't
do
a
passive
part,
one
two
additional
Office
Space
for
the
city
in
the
Civic
phase,
and
my
question
is:
why
do
we
need
additional
office
space
when
the
trend
is
just
the
opposite
that
people
are
working
from
anywhere
now
in
the
world?
So
why
would
we
need
additional
office?
Today?
Is
one
of
the
questions
I
have
and
the
second
one
is
what
happened
to
the
passive
space
I
see
you
have
Gathering
Community
Gathering
and
as
I
look
at
the
picture.
E
F
B
Well,
that's
two
different
questions
and
if
I
may
could
y'all
mind,
if
I
call
on
Jason
Ward
to
address
the
part
about
the
green
space
and
the
the
kind
of
public
related
programming
that
that
has
been
talked
about
for
that
little
six
area,
which
includes
this.
This
is
I,
don't
know
if
you've
got
that
shot,
that
kind
of
shows
the
stage
area
it
kind
of
forms
a
little.
B
In
addition
to
six,
where
you
see
the
Green
Space,
there's
like
a
little
Plaza
beside
it
and
then
on
the
back
side
of
number
one
there's
there's
literally
like
an
Old,
Stage
or
place
to
have
movies,
and
then
the
the
surface
parking
is
is
allowed
to
expand.
To
have
you
know,
Community
Gatherings,
you
obviously
would
may
be
able
to
park
there
if,
if
we
were
planning
something
like
that,
but
you
could
have
a
farmers
market
or
a
auto
show,
or
some
other
community
style
event.
B
So
and,
and
admittedly,
60
percent
wanted
some
kind
of
part
feature,
but
I
I,
don't
think
the
prevailing
win
was
or
concept
was
that
this
would
be
a
a
solid
Park.
If
you
know
what
I
mean
that
it
would
be
a
combination
or
a
mixed
use
with
some
Green
Space
feature
public
feature,
because
just
so
really
the
location
and
the
the
design
of
the
buildings
along
Sam
Rittenberg
kind
of
forms,
a
buffer.
You
know.
B
So,
even
though
you
got
20
000
cars
a
day
going
by
out
there,
it
kind
of
protects
that
that
public
space,
if
you
think
of
the
spa,
bought
up
at
Upper
King
Street,
what
do
they
call
it?
The
Pacific
boxing
crate.
You
know
how
they
have
the
restaurant
and
the
food
court,
and
then
they
have
the
open
area
with
the
green
space.
It's
kind
of
intended
to
simulate
that
what
isn't
that
about
right,
Jason!
So
now
on
the
office,
space
question
and
and
Rick
has
delved
into
this
quite
a
bit
with
me
it.
B
Admittedly,
during
covid,
we
we've
now
adopted
our
first
official
work
at
home
policy,
which
allows
up
to
two
days
a
week
as
approved
by
your
supervisor.
But
honestly,
there
are
many
positions.
We
have
that
you,
you
need
to
serve
the
public
and,
and
so
the
city
is
not
moving
to
towards
any
kind
of
full
work
at
home
policy.
B
So
to
have
some
presence
there
would
make
sense.
We
feel.
Also,
there
are
some
departments
like
stormwater
that
are
have
grown,
and
you
know
that
department
got
split
away
from
public
works,
so
so
so
we
think
that
there's
and
have
identified
some
departments
that
that
we
could
move
to
this
space
over
time.
G
One
of
the
things
we
have
right
now
is
storm.
Water
is
combined
with
Public
Public
Works
and
they
don't
have
enough
space
and
as
they
expand,
and
we
bring
more
people
on
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
a
new
space
for
stormwater
resilience
would
love
to
be
close
to
Emergency
Management
because
they
do
so
many
things
together.
There's
no
way
to
do
that
right
now,
looking
at
things
like
children,
youth
and
families,
they
don't
necessarily
have
to
be
in
Calhoun
Street.
G
They
could
be
somewhere
else
in
stormwater
or
resilience
could
take
over
that
space.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
you
know,
we're
growing
and
as
we
and
as
in
his
Council
provides
more
positions
each
year
in
the
annual
budget.
We
just
don't
have
enough
space
to
to
house
them
right
now,
for
instance,
we
are
in
kernel.
Auditor
right
now
will
not
have
an
office
space
if
he
or
she
were
on
board
we're
trying
to
figure
out
if
the
space
in
legal,
where
they
can
place
them,
but
it's
not
good
space
either.
F
G
We
it's
tough
and
one
of
the
things
we've
done,
for
instance,
is
we've
given
some
of
the
Gilead
to
to
George
space
to
the
Gaillard
and
that's
Contin,
very
contiguous
to
our
Public
Works
in
stormwater.
They
had
that
space
that
would
solve
a
problem,
but
we've
made
a
commitment
to
the
Gilead
to
give
them
that
office
space.
So
it's
a
challenge.
B
Oh
so
one
idea,
another
idea
was
our
customer
service
call
center
that
we
could.
You
know,
place
it
at
this
facility,
of
course,
Eric
and
a
couple
select
staff
and
Recreation.
You
know
we
we
plan
to
have
an
separate
team
leader
in
Recreation
for
different
parts
of
the
city.
Those
folks
that
are
focused
on
West
Ashley,
like
Eric,
is
Eric
Pullman,
be
kind
of
logical
place
for
him
to
call
home
base
and
and
for
us
to
have
a
service
center.
D
I
could
just
answer
part
of
councilman
book
Dudley's
a
question
about
the
park
like,
of
course,
I
attended
every
one
of
these
public
input
sessions,
and
so
But
Eric
was
talking
about
earlier
of
this
Gathering
Spot,
or
this
open
passer
Park
was
you're
right.
It
was
a
critical
component
of
something
that
folks
wanted
over
here,
but
it
wasn't
to
my
understanding
and
my
discussions
with
folks
who
attended
these
sessions
that
they
wanted
the
entire
parcel
to
be
a
part.
D
Part
of
the
reason
for
that
is
because
there's
about
40
to
45
000
cars
that
travel
around
here,
and
so
there
was
a
sort
of
a
practical
component
of
how
many
people
would
actually
just
use
this
as
a
complete
passive
part.
But
they
do
want
a
spot
that
there
is
some
outdoor
outdoor
activity,
and
so
the
current
proposed
designs
that
would
have
gone
through
the
design
review
board.
Incorporated
things
that
the
mayor
had
mentioned
about,
such
as
an
outdoor
concert
such
as
a
piccolo
spoletto
outdoor
event.
D
D
Was
seven
and
171
come
together,
council
member
Wayne
had
brought
out
a
couple
of
times
about
maybe
capturing
some
of
that
property
that
belongs
to
the
to
the
state
and
using
that
to
our
advantage
as
as
well.
But
there
had
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
this,
but
I
just
want
to
emphasize
I.
Don't
think
the
full
point
was
that
the
entire
space
be
used
as
a
passive
passive
part.
That
was
not
in
my
discussions
with
folks
who
attended
these
meetings.
That
was
not
their
concept.
B
H
The
beauty
of
this
design
was
really
to
create
the
lawn
as
kind
of
the
the
center
of
the
stage.
If
you
will
it's
the
focal
point
of
the
project,
it's
where
you
would
gather,
but
the
the
area,
the
open
space
and
what
we
would
call
the
parking
area
is
really
for
overflow
of
and
an
extension
of
that
lawn.
So
if
there's
live
music,
if
there
is,
you
know
a
football
game
on
the
screen
there
you
know-
or
if
it's
a,
maybe
it's
a
classic
car
show
to
the
mayor's
point.
H
It's
an
extension
of
that
of
that
lawn
for
the
community
to
gather
so
our
expectations
are.
You
know
that
that
that
parking
lot
could
be
demised
in
a
way
to
extend
from
that
Center
Gathering
area
and
that's
how
we've
really
created
that
Community
Gathering
space
to
to
extend
into
that,
and
if
you
look
at
our
design,
I
know
it's
probably
hard
to
tell
from
this,
but
it's
also
not
going
to
feel
like
an
asphalt
parking
lot.
It's
going
to
feel
more
in
line
with
something
that
is
more
soft.
H
It's
not
going
to
be
just
a
you
know
for
like
a
better
way
to
say
it.
What
it
is
today,
which
just
is
just
a
large
you
know
parking
lot
of
asphalt,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
gather
in
that
space
create
some
benches,
some
areas
that
tie
to
that
Center
area
and
it
all
connect.
You
know
you
know
ominously
is
best
the
way.
I
know
how
to
say
it.
So
food
trucks,
you
know
boat,
shows
all
of
those
kinds
of
things.
That
would
be
the
area
that
extends
to
that
center
point.
H
So
I
hope
that
answer
that
helps
answer
the
question
and
for
reference
and
and
I'm
a
little
bit,
you
know
sensitive
to
say
this,
but
but
if
I
remember
the
number
correctly,
which
I'm
happy
to
confirm
that
Center
lawn
area
can
hold
a
couple
hundred
people
easily,
either
seated
or
standing
for
an
event
of
of
a
live
music
or
something
to
that
effect.
So
if
that
gives
you
the
scale
of
it,
you
know
you
can
see
how
this
site
can
really
grow
and
accommodate
a
large
event.
H
We
wanted
we
wanted
it
to
feel
safe
for
the
families
we
we
have
plans
for
an
ice
cream
shop,
an
arcade
for
the
kids.
You
know
all
those
kinds
of
things
to
bring
the
families
together
and
allow
it
to
feel
like
a
Safe
Gathering
space
as
well.
So
you
know
if
there
isn't
a
I'll
say
more
of
a
you
know:
a
live
music
event.
That
may
be
something
that
the
kids
aren't
interested
in,
but
they'll
have
a
place
to
be.
E
H
H
This
this
area
right
here
is
where,
where
we
currently
have
proposed
to
enter
and
exit
off
of
sumar
street,
so
this
would
be
the
Ingress
and
egress
and
right
when
you
come
into
the
site.
The
reason
we
position
this
underground
parking
at
this
location
was
so
that
this
area
could
be
closed
off
and
then
you
just
complete,
then
you
just
funnel
underground.
So.
C
H
H
So
the
foot,
the
footprint
so
the
Ingress
and
egress
of
the
parking
is
this
number
nine
right
here.
So
that
would
be
where
you
pull
in
and
where
you
pull
out
and
and
I
could
it
could
be
a
little
bit
out
of
scale
but
about
where
this
building
line
right
here
and
then
covering
the
entire
boundary
of
the
of
the
site?
Is
the
underground?
Is
the
underground
parking?
We
we
have
maximized
every
space
I
mean
if
you
can
think
about
it.
From
a
standpoint
of
this
building.
H
The
Civic
building
is
designed
to
hold
events
for
up
to
350
people,
and
if
the
lawn
is
holding
an
event
for
a
few
hundred
people,
you
know
it
could
it
could
really
tax
our
parking
situation,
and
so
you
know
we
wanted
to
feel
like
people
had
a
safe,
accessible
way
to
park
and
utilize
the
property
and
the
and
access
the
property
for
events.
And
so
that's
why
that's
there?
But
you
can
see
right
here.
H
Yes,
sir,
so
and
it's
you
know,
there
are
examples
of
this,
and
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
Engineers
on
this
team
that
have
had
experience
with
this
and
know
a
lot
more
than
I
do
about
this,
to
be
frank,
but
this
actually
exists
to
Eric's
Point
earlier.
This
is
one
of
the
higher
points
in
the
market
and
this
this
this
idea,
based
on
the
you
know,
groundwater
table
and
everything
else,
really
makes
sense
to
do
this
here
and
so
and
so
from
a
you
know.
H
B
So
with,
while
we're
talking
about
parking,
if
you
look
back
at
the
other
diagram
of
site
plan
and
and
if
you
had
to
do
above,
ground
parking
obviously
would
take
up
the
footprint
of
that
open
surface
level
parking
and
and
what
would
that
kind
of
look
like
I
mean
to
make
up
for
that
underground?
How
big
would
it
have
to
be,
and,
and
does
that
work
very
well.
H
Well,
if,
if
we
were
to
no
I
think
I
could
say
you
know
that
the
go
do
a
vertical
garage
is
less
costly
per
space.
I
mean
that
I
think
that
is
a
fair
statement,
but
I
think
that
it's
it
depends
on
if
you
can
think
about
it.
This
way
from
a
community
events
perspective.
If
you
were
to
put
a
five-story
garage
here,
it
doesn't
feel
very
approachable.
It
doesn't
flow
into
the
site.
H
Correct
so
we
Landmark
we've
done
a
few
projects
where
there's
a
Podium
level
where
we
raise
the
entire
building
and
we
park
all
the
way
underneath
it
it's
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
harder
approach.
People
don't
really
have
a
good
idea
of
how
to
access
the
site,
but
it
isn't.
It
is
an
absolute
solution
and
really,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
approach
that
you
were
suggesting
isn't
much
different
than
what
we've
designed
here,
because
all
of
the
structure
of
our
buildings
are
tied
to
the
underground
parking
structure
as
well.
H
I
Thank
you,
mayor
Chris,
Federer
stays
in
Charlotte,
North
Carolina.
We've
been
talk
into
Publix
for
about
two
and
a
half
years
now,
they're
on
a
ground
lease
on
Ashley
Plaza.
They
have
15
more
years
left
on
that
ground
lease.
So
we
we
were
watching
the
progress
landmark
and
the
city
were
doing
on
this
particular
on
CMR
Street.
We
were
trying
to
reposition
the
publics
and
negotiate
with
them.
I
So
you
don't
have
to
look
at
the
back
side
of
a
loading
area
off
of
sumar
and
relocate
them
in
line
making
a
troop
grocery
anchored
Center.
Well,
I
don't
have
the
Aerials
I'm.
Sorry
I
didn't
come
prepared
with
with
the
arrows,
but
we
could
go
to
Google
Earth.
If
you
want
to
look
at
that,
but
the
so
Publix
agreed
to
a
for
us
to
build
them
a
new
box
and
we
would
relocate
that
where
the
Napa
Dollar
Tree
it
was
a
1968
structure,
was
built.
I
The
first
department
store
in
West
Ashley
the
that
building
that
structure
is,
is
not
in
good
physical
shape.
So
the
timing
of
this
really,
we
thought
this
was
an
incredible
opportunity
in
terms
of
the
timing
to
move
publics
over
bring
them
in
line
with
the
rest
of
the
center
and
keep
most
of
our
retail
to
the
south
side
of
the
of
the
property
that
would
open
up
about
eight
Acres.
Where
then,
you
see
the
multi-family
piece,
that's
I
think
that's
there.
Oh,
my
glasses
on
excuse.
I
Okay,
so
then
we
introduced
a
multi-family
concept
to
complement
the
retail
Center
trying
to
provide
true
mixed
use
in
this.
In
this
Corridor,
the
the
orientation
of
the
of
the
multi-family
was
really
dictated
upon,
where
it
sat
on
CMR
Street
and
how
it
how
the
edge
of
it
the
front
door,
was
closer
to
Sam,
Rittenberg
and
closer
to
the
city
Landmark
project.
That
was
all
by
intent,
because
we
thought
that
would
be
a
better
for
the
Uli
studies
and
all
for
the
planning
Community.
I
We
thought
that
would
be
a
better
way
to
relate
the
building
to
have
that
energy
focused
on
the
north
side
of
our
property.
We
in
that
way
you
have
that
you
have
a
real
divide
between
the
retail
and
the
multi-family,
which
would
interact
in
our
opinion,
better.
We
also
use
the
same
architect,
architectural
vocabulary,
not
not
exactly
the
same,
but
we
use
that
to
influence
us
what
ilio
proposed
in
drb.
So
we
were
trying
to
create
something
more
of
a
without
collaborating
directly,
but
we
were
trying
to.
I
A
I
A
A
If
things
were
framed
differently,
are
there
possibilities,
because
I
thought
that
was
going
to
be
part
of
this
actual
discussion
that
we're
having
right
now,
things
can
be
reframed
potentially
better,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
vote
is
going
to
come
down
to
whether
we
want
to
spend
45
plus
million
at
this
site.
If
the
city
doesn't
do
that,
I
think
we
should
have
a
plan
B
plan
C
whatever,
but
certainly
it
shouldn't
die
on
the
vine,
because
the
Civic
Center,
the
underground
parking
garage,
didn't
survived.
A
I
F
I
A
I
A
I
understand
but
I
mean
I
think
at
least
the
effort
in
a
discussion
like
this
is
to
hopefully
take
down
a
Chinese
wall
between
I,
look
at
Sumo
Street
as
being
that
Chinese
wall
between
what
the
city's
proposing
the
cities
and
the
developers
proposing
and
then
now
you
all
are
proposing
some.
You
know
potentially
exciting
changes
in
the
area
that
I
just
don't
think
it
should
be
one
or
the
other
it
would
happen.
Is
we
looked
at
that
moving
forward,
I
mean
together
on
that
I.
A
H
H
The
lawn
area
occupy
can
occupy
587
individuals
by
code,
the
the
Terrace
area-
that's
designed
off
of
that
can
occupy
an
additional
250..
This
is
all
the
Civic
portion
of
the
project
and
and
the
building
itself
on
the
city
was
roughly
designed
to
occupy
350
with
inside.
So
this
this
project,
not
including
the
parking
area,
could
accommodate
almost
a
thousand
individuals.
F
H
H
H
H
H
D
D
D
Yeah,
so
that
that
orange
line
reflects
a
a
path
from
Orange
Grove
Road
to
Sam
Rittenberg.
That
was
part.
One
of
the
initial
plans
that
the
county
had
was
either
creating
a
row
there,
but
creating
a
pedestrian
bike
friendly
path.
So
it
goes
to
your
question.
Council
member
of
seekings.
That
folks,
over
in
Sandhurst,
would
take
advantage
of
this
opportunity
to
come
from
Sandhurst
or
Huntington.
Woods
are
Acres
Ashley
Hall
Manor
in
that
particular
area.
D
To
use
it
as
a
cafe
and
I've
talked
to
several
folks
about
the
ability
you
get
from
that
particular
point
over
into
over
Sue
Mastery
and
and
to
be
able
to
go
to
Charlestown
Landing
further
down
from
that
particular
point,
this
Amberly
Street,
and
can
you
point
exactly
up
so
there's
an
improvement
that
the
county
has
in
mind
for
that
in
there
to
meet?
If
you
can
just
sort
of
elaborate
on
What's
That
Amberley
point
is
going
to
entail.
C
C
There
will
be
some
median
closure
along
the
Sam
Rittenberg
just
before
the
split
area,
because
that's
where
a
lot
of
the
accidents
occur
in
this
spot
is
people
taking
a
left
coming
in
from
Northbridge
in
into
Northbridge,
so
they
will
be
closing
some
of
that
access
down
a
little
bit.
In
addition
to
that,
you
have
10
foot
multi-use
Pathways
that
are
going
to
connect
into
the
existing
extra
wide
sidewalk.
C
It's
only
I
think
it's
six
or
eight
feet
is
what
currently
exists
from
the
CVS
on
Sam
Rittenberg
Orange
Grove
up
to
Northbridge
Park
they're,
going
to
connect
in
there
with
a
10-foot
path
that
will
take
you
down
to
Charlestown
landing
and
the
new
County
recreation
park
on
that
side
of
Old
Town.
There
will
be
another
10
foot,
you
10
foot,
multi-use
trail,
that
is
on
the
other
side
of
Old
Town.
Going
from
Charlestown
up
to
the
sumar
street
location,
you
have
a
signal
at
Amberley.
C
That's
going
to
be
coming
in
again.
That
was
a
high
impact
area
for
vehicular,
so
they
we
are
getting
a
signal
put
in
there.
That's
going
to
have
a
full
pedestrian
Crossing,
all
four
legs
and
Sam
Rittenberg
from
Dickens
Street
down
to
Orange
Grove
each
side
of
it
will
have
the
10-foot
multi-use
Trail
again.
So
that
is
how
we're
anticipating
the
community
is
going
to
be
able
to
get
to
this
location
by
biking.
Some
of
the
people
who
live
closer
can
walk
more
than
likely.
D
That
does
not
create
a
a
a
square
or
a
perfect
t
on
Town
Road,
so
coming
out
of
Charleston's
Estates
is
Donahue
on
the
other
side
out
of
South
Center
State,
Street
Drive,
and
so
what
part
of
what
Faison
is
going
to
do
is
give
us
an
easement
to
square
off
that
land
and
make
that
a
more
perfect
tea
as
well
and
I.
Think
isn't
this
from
sidewalks
extension
on
that
part
I
believe
as
well
correct.
C
And
also
right
now,
there's
a
loading
entrance
over
on
this
back
side.
That
is
all
of
six
feet
from
Charlestown
drive
that
will
be
closed
off
and
actually
Faison
has
already
anticipated
that
they
welcome
it
in
terms
of
closing
that
off
in
how
they
would
have
their
loading
access
for
the
new
Publix
location.
A
D
C
So
they
are
retaining
this
is
this
will
be
a
right
out
at
this
location.
There
is
a
left
turn
lane
onto
North
Bridge,
but
there's
some
additional
turn
lanes
that
are
in
this
location
along
here
that,
for
instance,
go
into
the
the
church
or
go
into
that
location
up
there
that
they
will
be
closing
off,
because
those
are
the
Dangerous
Ones,
where
you're
Crossing,
three
or
four
you're
merging
quickly
to
try
and
get
to
that
left
turn.
So
it's
going
to
really
be
right
turn
only
in
some
locations.
Yes,
well.