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From YouTube: City of Charleston City Council Meeting 9/13/22
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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 9/13/22
B
C
A
Thank
you
and
we
we
don't
have
a
big
crowd
here
tonight,
so
I
think
everybody
knows,
but
just
in
case,
if
we
had
to
evacuate
the
building,
we
got
these
two
doors
here,
one
door
over
there
don't
use
the
elevator
but
take
the
stairs
down,
and
then
we
got
one
stair
going
out
the
front.
That
would
be
our
exit
plan
if
we
needed
it.
Okay.
A
Whereas
trident
literacy
association
provides
individualized
instruction
to
adults
in
the
city
of
charleston
to
help
them
improve
their
skills,
earn
their
ged,
affording
them
chances.
They
didn't
think
possible,
whereas
after
completing
trident
literacy's
programs,
students
enrolled
in
continuing
education
at
trident
tech
seek
apprenticeship
opportunities,
join
the
military
or
join
the
job
market.
A
Whereas
trident
literacy
has
served
our
community
and
helped
our
citizens
transform
their
lives
for
50
years,
making
it
a
better
place
for
all
our
citizens
and
whereas
the
city
of
charleston
recognizes
the
economic
and
societal
importance
of
literacy
and
applauds
trident
literacy
association
for
all,
they
do
to
make
literacy
possible
for
all
our
citizens.
Now,
therefore,
I
john
j
teckenberg
mayor
of
the
city
of
charleston,
in
addition
to
city
council,
hereby
proclaim
september
as
literacy
month
and
september
18th
through
the
24th,
specifically
as
national
adult
education
and
family
literacy
week
in
the
city
of
charleston.
A
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you
here,
pleckenberg.
I
want
to
introduce
our
bashful
staff
here,
our
one
of
our
education
managers,
diane
mcgee
and
our
director
of
philanthropy
james
grant-
and
I
want
to
thank
mayor
teklenberg
and
the
council
for
yet
again
in
my
19th
time,
presenting
to
this
council,
some
of
you,
I've
seen
for
19
years,
others,
I've
known
since
you
were
a
child,
so
I'm
definitely
definitely
on
the
way
out
here,
but
this
year
trident
literacy
is
celebrating
its
50th
anniversary
and
everyone
here
who
supports
trident
literacy
in
the
city.
E
From
all
these
many
years,
you
play
a
major
role
in
helping
us
reach.
This
milestone
just
want
to
make
a
few
comments
about
covid
covet,
brought
us
new
and
uncharted
challenges.
Our
sites
shut
down
for
in-person
instruction
in
march
2020.
We
immediately
reached
out
to
our
students
and
in
many
cases
we
were
a
lifeline
to
them.
They
were
stressed,
they
didn't
know
what
to
do
where
to
turn
and
they
turned
to
us
and
we
were
there
from
them,
so
we're
more
than
just
teaching
reading
and
math
we're
a
support
system
for
many
of
them.
E
A
major
shift
was
required
in
everything
we
do
and
our
instruction
went
completely
virtual.
We
taught
on
google
on
zoom
over
the
telephone
by
texting
by
email
by
snail
mail.
We
even
prepared
packets
of
material
and
left
them
outside
of
our
door,
so
our
students
could
come
and
pick
them
up
and
do
their
work.
Many
of
our
students
didn't
have
computers,
so
we
loaned
them.
Chromebooks
many
didn't
have
wi-fi.
E
Our
enrollment
took
a
dive
during
covid
for
lots
of
reasons,
but
I'm
happy
to
say
that
we
just
enrolled
our
first,
our
first
new
student
intake
in
the
new
fiscal
year,
which
began
july
1st,
and
we
already
have
well.
We
just
started
enrolling
in
august.
We
already
have
more
students
enrolled
in
just
these
first
few
weeks
than
we
had
in
the
entire
year
last
year,
so
we're
really
looking
forward
to
that.
I
just
want
to
also
mention
something
that
makes
trident
literacy
unique.
E
Is
that
our
instruction
is
personal
and
it's
individual
based
on
each
student's
individual
needs.
Our
schedules
are
flexible
because
we
recognize
the
multitude
of
obstacles
and
additional
responsibilities
that
our
students
have
with
work
and
with
child
care
and
transportation.
We
even
have
a
free,
early
childhood
program
for
our
students,
so
they
can
bring
their
preschool
age.
Children,
the
children
develop
school
readiness
skills,
while
their
parents
are
developing
their
their
skills
and
between
our
staff
and
our
volunteers.
They
literally
teach
morning
noon
and
night
and
on
weekends.
E
Our
students
know
that
they
can
come
to
us
without
judgment
and
we
specialize
in
second
chances
just
a
few
weeks
ago.
We
we
had
our
for
the
first
time
in
three
years,
because
we
couldn't
have
it
since
covid
our
achievement
ceremony,
where
we
honor
our
students
who
earn
their
ged,
and
I
would
like
you
to
meet
some
of
our
students
and
learn
about
why
they
come
to
trident
literacy.
E
E
Angelica
broke
her
mom's
heart
when
she
dropped
out,
but
now
with
the
daughter
of
her
own,
she
wants
to
set
an
example:
sylvia,
a
single
mother
continued
with
her
studies,
even
while
recuperating
from
brain
surgery
and
with
five
children
at
home
and
another
one
on
the
way
and
finally,
harriet
dropped
out
because
after
her
mom
had
a
heart
attack
and
was
in
the
hospital,
they
lost
their
home
and
she
had
to
get
a
job
to
provide
for
herself
and
her
two
siblings.
These
are
just
a
few
examples.
E
If
every
one
of
our
students
has
has
a
unique
story
of
their
own,
I
won't
tell
you
all
of
them.
I'm
sure
you
want
me
to
finish,
but
anyway,
all
of
these
individuals
that
I
just
mentioned
are
now
in
college,
pursuing
post-secondary
degrees
and
advanced
certificates,
and
they
will
qualify
for
good
jobs
and
contribute
to
our
vibrant
economy
and
not
only
have
they
changed
their
own
life.
Trajectory
they've
changed
the
trajectory
for
their
families
for
generations
to
come
because
they
have
made
education,
a
bedrock,
foundational
family
value.
So
thank
you
to
all
of
you.
E
F
A
G
Can't
let
eileen
leave
without
me
saying
one
word
about
her
and
she
and
her
husband
are
constituents
in
my
district
and
we
all
have
the
honor
and
privilege
of
serving
on
this
council,
but
being
here
we
get
to
meet
people
like
eileen
and
her
husband
and
they
are
the
unsung
heroes
of
our
community.
We
see
this
repeated
hundreds
of
times
and
I
just
want
to
tell
her
publicly
thank
you.
It's
a
privilege
to
join
you
and
I'm
so
I'm
honored
that
you're
in
my
district.
So
thank
you
for
listening.
A
H
D
Would
fall
under
council
mission
and
publishing
the
regional
partnership
ways
and
means
agenda
items,
11,
15
and
4
and
5.
2020
registering
plan
on
september,
1st
2020
honorable
joe
dawson,
the
third
federal
judge,
former
charleston
county
attorney,
issued
an
order
paraphrase.
I
have
hp
statues
provide
congress,
the
safeguard
against
the
public
against
abuse
of
the
ifa
public
by
evil-minded
pierced
persons
covered
2018
order
by
judge
seymour
all
allegations
this
complaint
is
nonsensical
and
incoherent
out
there.
D
My
concerns
my
speech
was
deemed
unpopular
under
federal
rule
prophesied
that
this
kind
of
speech
is
not
only
regrettable
and
dangerous.
There's
also
indictable
implants
was
a
crime
fcc
230
april
28,
2022,
brian
c
jones
sled.
Let's
get
the
services
expressed
only
criminal
misconduct.
Complaints
can
only
be
received
by
the
solicitor
attorney
general
law
enforcement
of
jurisdiction,
13
sheriff
south
carolina
violated
and
state
law.
Why
would
I,
as
a
black
man,
want
to
even
send
him
a
complaint?
D
Well,
these
two
sections
have
sex
with
a
death
family,
okay,
so
I've
been
actively
involved
in
public
life
since
the
1919
1991
in
the
postal
career,
9194
2002,
I
ain't
no
lightweightness.
Somebody
don't
like
me
personally.
I
will
speak
my
mind,
no
matter
what
I
had
a
brother.
I
know
for
a
fact
my
brother,
charles
county
school
district.
I
know
for
a
fact
2012
something
happened
to
my
brother
in
that
school.
For
a
fact,
I
know
that,
based
on
this
speech,
it's
on
joe
josh
in
the
third,
his
position.
H
D
D
The
day
is
the
13th
beautiful,
beautiful,
represent
government.
I
have
a
poster
here
and
there
are
13
letters
in
that
new
world
order
and
if
you
look
at
old
world
order
be
the
same
thing.
Racism
is
dead
and
buried.
We
are
not
suffering
from
racism.
We
are
suffering
from
corruption,
envy
jealousy
greed
and
ignorance.
D
D
So
everything
that
happened
to
a
black
and
white,
we
call
it
racism,
but
if
a
black
man
do
it,
we
don't
say
that
I
know
racism
is
dead
anytime,
a
black
man
like
me
and
mr
brian
to
come
in
here
and
speak
to
white
folks
from
broad
street
like
we
speak
and
after
I
get
through
speaking
to
you
all.
I
take
sick
and
go
into
the
mayor's
office
and
urinate
on
the
desk
and
white
folk
coming
in
and
wipe
my
private
off
and
take
me
to
the
hospital.
I
know
racism
is
there.
Thank
you.
A
A
Portion
of
john's
island
in
a
single
district,
this
both
keeps
our
community
together.
It
presents
the
real
opportunity
for
our
city
council
person
to
actually
live
on
john's
island,
something
that
has
never
happened
before
every
day.
That
council
person
would
experience
our
flooding
issues,
our
traffic
congestion
and
our
zoning
concerns
when
the
time.
D
D
My
problem
is
now.
If
you
come
to
be
personal,
we
have
playgrounds
in
our
community
that
our
babies
should
be
able
to
go
up
on
the
farm
play
in
the
dirt
play
in
the
night
and
have
fun
all
right
that
ain't
happening.
We
look
at
the
news
they're
all
over
these
other
countries
shooting
up
these
schools.
It's
not
happening
in
schools.
Here,
it's
happening
on
our
playground.
We
had
three
kids
so
far
this
year,
under
the
age
of
10,
were
shot
in
our
community.
D
D
We
cannot
make
it
safe
for
our
10
year
old
and
the
kids
are
going
apart.
Let's
see
if
he
wants
to
play
me,
I
left
downtown
the
damn
right
all
the
way
I
went
to
james
island
day.
One
were
down,
I
went
to
tangled
out
there.
I
had
to
win
all
the
up
to
actually
foster
road
just
to
get
some
pictures
to
prove
a
point
to
y'all
the
night.
When
the
incident
happened
constantly
by
now
day,
silicone
poolman
got
entered
the
pool
to
look
at
the
video.
B
D
C
D
B
Good
evening
my
name
is
april
mcgill,
I'm
a
charleston
resident
and
an
architect
in
this
in
the
city
we
are
in
need
of
a
comprehensive
reevaluation
of
the
current
bar
and
preservation
policies.
I
urge
the
city
to
adopt
a
people-centered
preservation
approach,
preserving
community
culture
and
economic
diversity.
First,
I
urge
the
city
to
pass
a
budget
for
a
full-time,
affordable,
housing,
concierge
position.
B
We
are
in
the
midst
of
a
catastrophic,
affordable
housing,
gentrification
and
displacement
crisis,
and
the
current
preservation
policies
are
compounding
these
issues.
As
an
architect,
I
see
firsthand
the
ways
in
which
residents
are
negatively
affected.
The
process
is
often
confusing,
inefficient
and
time
intensive,
resulting
in
expensive
professional
fees
or
not
attainable
at
all.
My
own
client
is
being
prevented
from
developing
a
small
scale:
affordable
housing
project,
north
of
line
street,
in
partnership
with
our
own
department
of
housing
due
to
var
policies.
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
peter
rubino.
I
live
on
john's
island
within
the
city
of
charleston,
I'm
here
representing
myself,
but
I
also
sit
on
the
johns
island
council
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
redistricting
having
johns
island
residents
represented
by
three
different
council
members
makes
it
difficult
for
our
concerns
and
problems
to
be
heard
when
you
have
split
responsibilities
like
half
on
john's
island,
half.
J
All
of
those
areas
so
far,
our
citizens
have
been
successful
in
getting
the
number
of
districts
reduced
from
three
to
two
through
our
writing
campaign.
Three
was
the
original
proposal.
To
move
to.
One
district
is
what
we're
looking
for,
so
we're
looking
for
alternate,
1a
and
1b,
because
that
gets
us
where
we
need
to
be
it's
very
important
to
be
represented.
J
J
We
know
there's
growth
and
continued
controlled
growth.
We
have
the
maybank
highway
overlay,
which
we
all
understand.
We
also
have
a
lot
of
farms,
family
farms
and
conservation
areas
there.
So
we're
very
concerned
about
those
things.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we'd
like
to
see
the
urban
growth
boundary
become
a
fixed
line
on
the
map
for
the
city
and
the
county
by
an
ordinance
and
having
a
council
member
that
resides
on
john's
island,
we
think
will
help
us
get
that.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
L
I've
been
coming
in
front
of
you
for
two
years,
the
law's
on
my
side.
There
are
trees
in
the
middle
of
the
road.
It
is
not
open
road.
Mr
brady,
you
did
a
traffic
survey.
Traffic
survey
bore
out
exactly
what
I
said
was
happening
in
the
neighborhood
five
times
as
much
traffic
on
my
road
as
the
other
parts
of
the
road
five
times
as
many
speeders
speeders
of
over
40
miles
an
hour
in
a
25
mile,
an
hour
zone
on
the
other
side
of
the
neighborhood.
Nobody
goes
over
30.
L
when
I
was
in
the
military.
One
of
the
things
that
we
suffered
was
sleep
deprivation,
that's
a
form
of
torture,
and
it's
to
get
us
prepared
for
combat
special
forces.
School
was
only
four
months
long
for
two
years.
My
father
does
not
get
any
sleep.
I
hung
blankets
from
his
windows
to
try
and
get
it
quiet,
but
it
doesn't
help
he's
getting
tortured
every
day
by
traffic
going
by
that
does
not
belong
there.
It's
illegal,
it's
immoral
and
it's
wrong.
L
L
Well,
didn't
you
see
it
when
you
came
home,
it's
not
there
at
christmas
christmas
traffic
in
there,
it's
not
there
when
you
come
home
traditionally
in
the
summertime,
it's
only
when
school
is
in
session
and
traffic's
cutting
through
the
neighborhood,
the
entire
neighborhood
comes
by
my
house.
It
is
unfair,
it
is
illegal
and
it
is
immoral
and
it's
time
for
you
to
do
something
about
it.
After
two
years,
my
father's
happy.
D
D
Marcus
marcus
mcdonald
substitute
teacher
lead
organizer
charleston
black
lives
matter.
I
also
want
to
speak
on
the
shooting
on
august
27th
at
martin
park,
as
coach
jones
said
before
that's
a
place
where
kids
go
from
all
ages,
all
backgrounds
can
go
enjoy
themselves.
We've
had
juneteenth
events,
there
easter
events
there
and
it
is
a
place
where
people
are
supposed
to
feel
safe.
D
However,
in
this
recent
shooting,
there's
no
media
coverage
or
political
outrage
that
we've
seen
in
different
other
places
where
there's
more
tourist
attractions
and
different
things
like
that,
so
we
urge
you
all
to
you
know
also
pay
attention
to
these
areas,
because
our
kids
matter
too,
our
kids
want
to
grow
up
and
live
healthy
lives,
and
what
we've
seen
before
is
over
policing
and
over
surveillance
and
party
bans
they're,
not
a
solution
to
these
problems.
They
have
not
and
will
not
solve
these
issues.
D
Many
of
you
for
taking
up
jobs
as
soon
as
they
can
minimum
wage
jobs,
not
like
some
of
the
jobs
y'all
got
when
you're
on
high
school
minimum
wage.
Today,
seven
dollars
an
hour
to
be
able
to
support
their
families
and
shortly
you'll
be
receiving
religious
demands
from
the
community,
including
funds
that
go
into
youth
resources
and
a
youth
club.
So
we
can
have
places
where
kids
can
play
and
have
fun
and
enjoy
themselves.
D
So,
instead
of
penalizing
them,
we
can
provide
for
them
and,
as
I
said
before,
we
need
to
prioritize
people
over
money
in
this
city.
Additionally,
I
urge
charleston
city
council
to
be
fully
transparent
and
providing
information
on
the
peninsula
plan.
Redistricting,
the
union
peer
development
and
the
racial
bias
audit
implementation
review.
These
are
important
things
that
really
move
our
city
forward
and
it's
important
that
you
actively
communicate
with
the
community
on
these
important
issues.
In
closing,
I
recommend
you
show
ms
adrian
swinton,
the
new
manager
of
heart,
the
utmost
respect
and
support.
D
We
saw
the
last
manager
you
not
treat
her
right
do
not
treat
her
with
respect,
and
we
saw
almost
a
week
ago
from
last
year,
where
y'all
saw
them
spitting
on
nurses
and
yelling
at
me,
and
I
nobody
cut
off,
but
I
urge
you
again
show
our
support,
show
support
for
these
initiatives
and
be
transparent.
Thank
you.
D
N
K
N
D
D
H
D
H
D
D
So
some
of
the
issues
that
are
being
raised
by
the
community
and
policing,
recreation
and
the
light
are
things
that
could
get
to
you
and
that
could
be
discussed.
If
you
allow
some
public
comments,
so
I
am
suggesting
a
public
participation,
perhaps
not
at
every
meeting.
My
notice
is
that
you
take
great
pride
and
you
guys
work
hard.
I
mean
you've
got
a
lot
of
information
and
not
criticizing
you
for
not
working
hard
right,
but
you're,
not
working.
D
B
All
right,
we
will
move
on
to
our
online
comments.
Those
were
all
the
speakers
that
we
had.
One
person
said
that
council
was
not
concerned
for
the
safety
of
school
children
at
harborview
school.
As
the
left
turn
into
traffic
twice
the
day
every
school
day
was
unsafe.
They
said
the
roads
around
their
father's
house
were
illegally
closed.
50
years
ago,
the
closed
roads
presented
a
clear
danger
to
the
school
children.
B
One
person
discussed,
judge
dawson
and
complained
that
residents
were
being
priced
out
of
the
community
because
of
rent
increases
and
increases
by
dominion,
energy
and
the
public
service
commission,
one
person
recommended
council
examined
the
bar
policies
and
how
the
guidelines
unfairly
impacted.
Members
of
the
community,
african-american
families
who
had
lived
on
the
peninsula
for
generations
were
being
pushed
off
due
to
archaic
requirements
which
were
financially
insurmountable
and
which
valued
buildings
over
people.
B
One
person
also
called
for
reevaluating
the
bar
bar
preservation
policies.
They
said
it
was
widely
known
that
charleston
had
an
affordable,
housing
and
gentrification
crisis
which
adversely
affected
african-american
and
low-income
residents.
The
current
policies
made
it
harder
for
under-resourced
residents
to
maintain
and
renovate
properties.
B
The
city
should
make
affordable
units
a
requirement
for
all
new
development,
with
astronomical
fines
and
fees
for
non-compliance
and
hotels
should
be
taxed
more
aggressively
to
fund
more
affordable
housing,
public
transit,
green
spaces
after
school
and
summer.
Recreation
options
should
also
be
enhanced,
and
those
are
all
the
comments
we
received.
A
Great
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
everybody
who
participated
and
shared
with
us
this
evening.
We
we
appreciate
it
all
right.
Next
is
our
participations
and
communications.
We
have
three
folks
up
for
appointment
of
code
enforcement
officers
and
I
see
council
member
mitchell
wants
to
be
recognized.
Yes,.
O
I
would
like
to
ask
someone
from
recreation
to
take
a
look
at
the
camera.
That's
located
on
martin
park.
I
know
when
martin
park
was
renovated,
they
moved
the
cameras
and
then
they
have
all
this
equipment
there
that
they
can
move
the
cameras
and
the
cameras
are
not
really
a
position
that
it
could
see
over
those
trees
that
can
make
so
see
if
something
can
be
done,
if
even
the
trees
can
be
trimmed
wet.
I
don't
know
if
it
can
be
down
not
if
the
trees
can
be
trimmed
off.
O
You
have
to
move
the
camera
somewhere
else,
so
you
can
be
able
to
see
over
to
the
street,
which
is
jackson
street
there,
because
the
park
comes
over
that
area.
So
if
you
can
see
the
jackson
street
and
over
to
lee
street
and
the
park
itself,
so
I
want
someone
to
do
that
as
soon
as
possible.
Yes,
sir,
get
back
with
me
and
let
me
know
for
transpire.
A
A
So
then,
back
to
the
appointment
of
code
enforcement
officers
for
stormwater
management
to
hear
a
motion
to
approve
those
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
he
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Next
we
have
a
redistricting
update,
tracy
mckee
who's
worked,
I
think,
tirelessly
on
on
this
redistricting
effort
for
the
last
year
or
more,
and
I
had
worked
on
it
two
redistricting
times
before,
so
she
really
knows
his
business
but
tracy.
If
you
give
us
an
update,
I'd
appreciate
it.
K
K
What
I
think
are
the
best
or
close
to
the
best
plans
based
off
of
your
priorities
for
redistricting
as
a
whole,
also,
the
gis
team
for
the
endless
number
of
scenarios
and
hours
of
doing
some
brainstorming
analysis
with
looking
at
the
data.
So
thanks
to
robert
and
sandy
for
all
their
work
and,
of
course,
the
legal
team
for
all
their
help,
and
then
stakeholder
groups
and
citizens.
K
So
we
really
appreciate
all
the
feedback
that
we've
gotten
from
everybody
to
to
come
forth
with
some
really,
I
think
good
plans
or,
like
I've,
told
you
all
from
the
very
beginning.
The
plans
that
you're
going
to
hate
the
least
so
tonight
is
really
just
informational.
Only
no,
no
formal
action
I'll
provide
some
background
information.
K
So
just
a
reminder:
why
are
we?
Why
are
we
here?
Why
do
we
do
this?
It's
a
it's
a
requirement
for
us
to
rebalance
the
population
and
that's
about
equal
representation
right,
so
ensuring
that
it's
one
person,
one
vote
so
again,
guiding
principles.
Rebalancing
the
population
contiguity.
Those
are
the
absolute
musts
right.
Those
take
those
take
priority
over
everything
else,
and
then
we
have
not
necessarily
in
this
order,
but
some
other
guiding
principles
right,
compactness,
constituent
consistency.
What
does
that
mean?
K
So
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
numbers
here,
but
this
is
where
we
started
from
so
once
the
census
released.
The
data
we
we
generated
some
baseline
data,
so
we
took
that
data
applied
it
to
the
districts
as
they
are
today
to
see
how
many
people
currently
live
in
those
districts
and
where
the,
where
the
rebalancing,
where
the
shifting
needed
to
needed
to
happen
so
kind
of
of
some
particular
interest
in
very
small
numbers
for
y'all
down
at
the
bottom,
from
2010
to
2020.
K
There
was
a
25
increase
in
the
city's
population
that
is
significant
and
also
down
there
that
I've
highlighted.
If
we
look
at
the
total
black
population
in
the
city,
not
only
we
saw
an
increase
of
25
percent,
but
we
saw
a
decrease
in
the
total
number
of
black
residents,
at
least
those
that
identify
as
being
one
one
single
race
in
black
in
the
city.
So
that
was
also
a
significant
factor
in
our
redistricting.
K
K
Thank
you.
Yes,
no
you're,
absolutely
right,
and
so
this
is
the
first
time
at
least
that
I've
been
involved
in
redistricting,
where
we
haven't
had
to
get
pre-clearance
from
the
justice
department.
That
does
look
at
that
fairness.
If
you
will
in
our
redistricting
plans-
and
so
we
I
would,
I
would
like
to
think
that
we've
taken
as
much
care,
if
not
more
care,
to
make
sure
that
we
are
adhering
to
those
got
the
guidance
that
we
would
have
received
from
the
us
justice
department.
K
K
At
the
end
of
september,
the
census
released
that
data,
which
is
on
how
we
just
created
that
baseline
chart
that
you
saw
on
the
last
and
last
slide,
and
we
really
didn't
do
too
much
on
redistricting
until
the
end
of
january,
because
we
had
a
special
election
for
district
one.
So
we
didn't
want
to
muddy
the
waters
and
cause
confusion
with
with
voters
by
starting
the
redistricting
process.
K
In
june,
we
had
a
public
webinar
to
walk
all
of
those
who
were
interested
in
the
process
and
how
we
kind
of
came
up
with
our
original
draft
and
all
the
work
that
we
had
had
done
up
to
that
point.
That
is
still
available
on
youtube.
For
anyone
who
would
like
to
to
watch
that
webinar
again
in
july,
we
released
a
draft
plan.
K
So
we
did
that
in
august
and
we
also
at
that
point,
released
two
additional
scenarios
and
we're
going
to
look
at
briefly
at
those
tonight
and
then,
of
course,
we've
been.
We
opened
up
public
comment
again
on
those
two
alternative
scenarios
as
well,
and
you
guys
received
a
copy
of
all
that
feedback
close
to
100
comments
received
on
those
on
those
alternatives.
K
K
K
So
I'm
happy
to
come
back
to
this.
If
you
guys
want
to
dig
into
some
of
the
details-
but
I
think
you
all
are
pretty
familiar
with
this
at
this
point-
and
so
here's
just
the
big
scary
table
with
all
the
numbers
of
of
that
go
along
with
that.
First
original
draft,
with
the
public
comments
baked
in
and
then
the
indicators
in
orange
are
kind
of
those
majority
minority
districts
as
well
as
those
with
that
are
minority
influence
districts,
and
we
really
for
these
particular
charts.
K
So
essentially,
these
alternatives
move
one
of
the
districts
on
the
peninsula
out
to
the
johns
island,
james
island
area
and
again,
big
scary,
chart
with
a
lot
of
numbers,
but
hopefully
the
the
orange
kind
of
helps.
You
identify
those
districts
that
are
majority,
minority
or
districts
of
influence,
as
well,
so
try
to
come
up
with
a
summary
that
might
help
give
you
kind
of
an
apples
to
apples
comparison
between
these.
These
two
scenarios,
if
you
will,
I
know,
there's
three
plans,
but
it's
really
two
scenarios.
K
And
then,
of
course,
as
you
all
know,
council
members
impacted
with
the
original
draft
zero,
but
we
likely
have
one
to
two.
That
would
be
impacted
by
the
alternatives
and
then
majority
minority
districts
both
of
those
have
two
and
then
when
we
look
at
the
districts
of
minority
influence,
I
kind
of
broke
those
down
into
greater
than
20
percent
greater
than
25
and
greater
than
30
percent,
and
those
numbers
do
include
those
majority
minority
districts
too.
C
C
K
K
I
I
simply
meant
that
it
based
off
of
I
think
it.
What
does
it
matter?
The
number
that
moves
it,
that
the
special
election
would
be
an
option
for
y'all
if
the
regardless
of
the
number,
because
no
one
lives
there.
So
if
you
chose
to
adopt
one
of
those
versions
and
wanted
them
to
go
effective
as
soon
as
possible
and
have
a
special
election,
no
one
lives
whatever
number.
That
is
no
one
lives
there,
so
there
would
have
to
be
a
special
election
for
that
district.
C
K
K
K
A
K
So
we
would
wait,
there's
no
special
election
in
the
mix.
We
would
wait
till
the
2023
election,
so
if
so,
if
three
is
the
number
that
moves
out
to
john's
jane's
island
right
that
that
district
is
up
for
up
for
election
re-election
in
the
next
cycle
anyway,
so
that's
that's
fairly
straightforward,
except
for
council
member
saccharin
who's.
Currently,
the
representative
would
not
have
an
opportunity
to
run
in
that
district
or
a
district,
because
then
he
would
live
in
an
even
number
district.
A
J
J
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
would
you
can
you
put
the
maps
for
1a
and
1b
up
again
please
and
then
I'm
going,
I'm
going
to
say
this
tracy
and
you're,
probably
you're
gonna.
I
know
you've
done
so
much
work.
I
don't
know
how
you
do
this,
but
I
do
want
to
say
this
for
john's
island
as
as
a
council
member
that
represents
james
island
and
we
have
three
council
members,
because
I
know
there
are
folks
here
from
john's
island.
F
I
can
say
you
know,
being
a
new
member
here
without
james
island
is
represented
by
three
council
members.
Here
I
understand
the
single
member
district
and
I
certainly
being
one
you
know
the
one
that
lives
on
james
island.
I
I
understand
that
you
know
when
you
live
there,
you
wake
up
thinking
about
it
right,
that's
a
rossipel
quote,
so
I
just
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
I
know
that
we
have
some
johns
islands
folks
here,
councilmember
brady.
F
I
think
you've
done
a
great
job
at
representing
john's
island,
but
you
know
they're
they're.
I
certainly
have
learned
the
benefit
of
having
multiple
council
members
on
an
island.
It
is
beneficial
for
my
learning.
It
is
beneficial
for
the
residents
of
our
island,
but
I
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
You
know
just
for
the
folks
that
are
here
in
attendance,
and
I
have
seen
so
many
drafts
of
plans,
and
I
know
that
there
were
drafts
out
there
like
that,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
throw
a
wrench
into
this.
H
I
actually
want
to
thank
councilman
parker
for
what
she
said.
No
the
reason
I
say
that
the
the
quiet
secret
on
council
is
there's
a
song.
I
mean
you
got
to
have
gray
hair
to
remember
it,
but
the
name
of
the
song
was
one
is
the
loneliest
number
and
if
you're
the
only
person
representing
the
area,
you
have
to
go
out
and
get
six
more
votes
to
get
something
passed.
H
It's
just
a
math
of
operating
in
a
political
body.
I
understand
believing
there
were
times
wes
ashley
when
we
were
extremely
underrepresented.
Almost
every
district
was
on
the
peninsula,
big
population,
wes
ashley,
I'm
sure
we
can
get
back.
Some
quotes
from
larry
shirley
on
the
day
when
he
would
always
make
mention
about
having
them
goes
to.
Lavisher
is
still
in
the
haunts
the
call
this
chamber,
but
the
the
fact
of
getting
politically.
H
H
Six.
Other
votes
and
that's
the
reality
of
it.
Nobody
would
want
to
say
that
in
a
microphone,
but
I
guess
somebody
like
council,
lady
parker
and
me
no,
I'm
just
being
playing
jess
with
that,
but
that
is
the
reality
in
trying
to
get
money
to
widen
the
the
northern
pitchfork
and
the
southern
pitchfork
and
they
get
the
drainage
for.
H
I
don't
think
that
takes
the
opportunity
from
a
representative
from
john's
island
winning
winning
the
potential
potential
seat,
but
anyway,
that's
nothing
to
be
glossed
over
when
you
think
about
one
voice
on
john's
island
versus
two
or
three
voices
coming
into
a
political
body
of
13..
Thank
you,
mr
moon.
Thank.
G
D
G
So
what
has
happened
with
this
process?
Is
that,
basically
using
her,
I
guess
factors
or
guiding
principles.
Whatever
has
come
up
with
scenarios
and
she's
made
adjustments
to
our
current
districts
to
accommodate
the
factors
that
need
to
be
taken
into
consideration,
including
trying
to
maintain
at
least
two
minority
based
districts,
and
this
has
been
very
difficult
to
to
do
that
and
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
right
percentage
of
representation
per
per
district
which
causes
this
shift
in.
G
In
our
our
district
lines,
one
of
the
scenarios
even
had
district
nine
incorporating
parts
of
of
daniel
ireland.
Yes
again,
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
brought
up
or
someone
brought
up,
is
that
whatever
change
we
make
whatever
plan
we
use
is
going
to
have
either
a
30
variation
of
people
being
represented
by
somebody
different
or
39,
which
is
which
is
a
high
a
high
number
of
folks.
Coming
into
this
thing,
what
has
not
happened
and
is
that
we
have
not
been
transparent
with
us
I'll
just
be
very
frank.
G
With
everybody
we've
sat
down
and
met
with
you.
You've
presented
a
plan
that
you
that
was
decided
and
we
didn't
vote
on
it.
Nobody
at
council
voted
on
this
to
decide
which
plans
got
released
to
the
public.
I
mean
that's
just
how
it
happened.
It
got
released
and
I'm
not
saying
this
in
a
critical
fashion.
G
At
some
point,
we
haven't
had
a
workshop
in
which
the
public
has
the
benefit
of
sitting
with
us
and
hearing
our
collective
concerns
with
us.
We
we
have
met
in
small
groups
to
avoid
a
quorum
being
being
present.
We've
been
very
careful
with
that
and,
and
a
variety
of
us
have
expressed
our
concerns,
our
preferences,
whatever.
G
I
just
think
that
we
should
have,
at
the
very
least
given
the
public
and
we
will
have
a
public.
I
know
a
public
comment
period
with
this
at
some
point,
but
it
really
needs
to
transpire
is
I
think,
and
that
you
all
hate
this?
I
know
you
all
hate
me
saying
this,
but
I'll
say
it
anyhow.
We
need
to
have
a
workshop
on
this.
Where
we
sit
here
collectively
we
sit
here
collectively
and
we
express
our
opinions.
Our
concerns
our
disagreements
and
let
the
public
hear
us
publicly
state
what
our
concerns
are.
G
We
have
not
done
that.
We
have
yet
to
do
that
publicly,
and
that
sounds
like
a
real
taxing
on
our
time
and
our
energies
and
doing
that.
But
this
is
these:
are
not
our
seats,
we
don't
own
these
seats.
These
are
the
public
seats
and
the
public
need
to
have
a
full
opportunity
publicly
to
hear
what
we
have
about
our
concerns
and
for
them
to
for
us
to
hear
back
from
them
their
concerns
about
that
we've
had
a
hundred
comments.
G
I
thought
that
I
saw
one
slide,
153
comments.
We
have
a
population
of
150
000
folks,
our
population
is
going
to
pull
up
a
screen.
Our
population
is
going
to
double,
and
I
got
this
from
the
planning
department
by
the
year.
2020
double
I'm
sorry,
not
double.
Our
population
is
going
to
go
from
150
000
to
almost
200
000
in
the
year
2035.
G
Somehow,
with
that
in
mind,
so
what
I
would
ask
respectfully-
and
you
all
may
put
me
down
and
run
me
out
on
a
rail
I'm
making
this
comment,
but
respectfully
what
we
really
need
to
do
before
we
release
any
more
plans
and
but
bring
the
public
in
here.
Let
them
see
the
possibilities,
let
them
watch.
You
navigate
this
process
so
that
they
hear
from
us
what
our
concerns
are
and
we
hear
from
them
directly
collectively
what
their
concerns
are.
G
So
we
know
what
we're
doing,
because
we
are
going
to
displace
potentially
one
or
two
council
members.
We
we're
going
to
shift
30
to
39,
depending
on
what
plan
is
eventually
adopted,
folks
who
are
being
currently
represented
by
other
folks,
and
I
don't
know
the
pokemon
john's
island,
you
know
if
there
should
be
one
or
two
or
three
representatives.
Y'all
have
been
grossly
underrepresented
in
the
past
10
years,
grossly
under
representative
in
the
past
10
years,
that's
just
by
the
growth
that
has
happened
over
time.
G
O
Mr
mayor
and
council
member,
I
don't
know
where
tracy
out
cause
facebook
is
doing
a
marvelous
job,
but
I
want
to
wait
her
out
with
all
this
work
here.
This
is
a
lot.
This
is
my
third
redistricting.
I
think
I've
been
here
the
longest
with
three
discipline.
This
is
the
third
one
that
I'm
involved
in,
and
I
was
mentioning
this
years
ago
that
everything
on
this
peninsula
everything
will
be.
This
ring
is
going
to
start
moving
western
and
is
the
problem.
O
Is
that
with
the
redistricting
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
the
residence
that
not
do
the
census
blank?
It's
not
that
the
people
are
not
there.
They
did
not
fill
out
census
blank,
and
I
can
tell
you
about
hundreds
of
people
that
block
census
blank.
Even
the
district
I
represent
and
around
the
area
because
they
didn't
have
people
going
out
doing
census
anymore,
like
they
did
it
the
last
time
they
had,
people
have
to
send,
go
online,
fill
it
out
and
send
it
back
in
some
people
didn't
do
that.
O
A
lot
of
them
didn't
do
it
so,
but
we
had
to
deal
with
the
numbers
that
they
sent
us
back
and
that's
what
they
said.
150
000.,
you
know
there's
more
than
150
000
people
right
here
in
the
city
of
charleston,
as
it
is
now,
you
can
look
at
district
4.
What
I
represent
with
all
the
developments
happening
in
district
4
already.
O
You
know.
I
know
that
was
more
than
thousand
twelve
thousand
people
there
already
and
within
a
next
two
or
three
years,
it's
booming
in
city
in
district
four,
so
we're
going,
I'm
gonna
be
way
over
any
twelve
thousand
people
there.
Twelve
thousand
five
hundred-
and
I
know
that-
but
we
have
to
deal
with
what
they
send
us
and
that's
what
tracy
is
doing
with
the
numbers
that
is
sent
to
us
to
make
sure
each
district
have
this
certain
amount
of
numbers.
O
Right,
you
know,
and
so
the
justice
department
took
me
out
of
daniel's
island
and
sent
me
to
mazique
ragsboro
and
that's
why
that
happened.
But
now
we
don't
have
a
justice
department
anymore
involved
in
these
situations,
because
they
would
jump
in
here
and
they'll
do
some
other
things.
So
we
voted
on
counsel
this
to
say.
Okay,
all
those
justice
departments
are
not
involved.
We're
going
to
act
like
the
justice
department
is
involved.
We
do
that
right
here
on
council.
O
O
It
will
be
a
shame.
So
this
is
why
tracy
is
doing
the
best
we
can
doing
this.
But
I
look
I
told
tracy
and
I
know
tracy
is
doing
a
marvelous
job
since
I
was
in
council
even
with
the
district,
I
have
never
seen
all
districts
in
an
even
district
merged
together,
I
have
my
district.
I
represent
was
merged
with
district
2..
O
District
2
was
on
the
east
side,
district
4
was
there,
we
separated
nassau
street
and
that's
what
former
councilman
campbell
was
here.
Our
district
was
merged
together
they
created
the
district
2
west
ashley
and
they
made
all
of
that
district.
Four
on
the
peninsula
I
bowed
out.
I
said
I'm
not
running,
because
I'm
not
playing
that
game,
I'm
not
running
against
another
african-american.
I
don't
do
that.
That's
just
me.
That's
the
way
I
think
so.
O
O
O
Three
and
five
who
was
in
five
jimmy
galon?
Oh
there
was
always
two
odd
numbers
or
two
even
numbers
merged
together
and
they'll,
take
one
and
shift
it
somewhere
west.
Lastly,
because
the
growth
was
going
over
the
west
ashley,
so
it
was
always
ticking
one
up
from
the
peninsula
and
southwest
back
and
that's
when
district
five
was
created
west
actually,
district
five
was
on
the
peninsula.
O
So
that's
what's
happening,
but
that's
why
I
was
saying
when
this
happened
and
when
they
put
on
up
in
the
evening
together,
they
said
wait
a
minute.
I
have
never
seen
it
happen
before
that's
just
the
first
time.
I
ever
seen
that
in
all
these
years,
so
that
kind
of
bothered
me
a
little
bit.
But
you
know
I'm
not
a
professional
with
that.
Just
that
I
was
here
seeing
those
things
done:
councilmember
gregory.
C
C
C
C
The
difference
between
the
impact
of
three
and
six
in
terms
of
three
having
more
minority
impact
is
about
a
thousand
okay.
So
if
you,
if
you
start,
if
you
start
looking
at
that
map,
not
in
that
chart
and
not
just
in
my
district
and
the
two
districts
in
question,
all
of
them,
okay,
look
at
the
impact.
C
Okay,
one
one
of
those
creates
a
more
balanced
racial
district
than
the
other.
It's
all
on
the
chart.
If
you
look
at
the
chart
so
again,
I
say,
as
we
get
into
what
the
kinds
of
discussions
you're
talking
about,
and
I
think
these
are
the
kinds
of
discussions
we
need
to
really
have
okay
that
have
not
been
had,
because
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
it's
a
good
idea
for
three
and
six
to
be
the
one.
Why
can't
it
be
somewhere,
especially
that's
where
all
the
problems
and
issues
are?
C
Why
can't
we
burst
some
of
those
and
leave
us
alone?
I'm
sorry
not
problems,
but
that's
where
all
the
growth
is.
Okay,
that's
where
the
growth
is
deal
with
some
of
those
questions
along
the
peninsula.
I
mean
we've
grown
too,
but
in
all
seriousness,
okay.
I
really
think
we
need
to
sit
down
and
discuss
all
this,
because
when
you
look
at
these
numbers,
they
really
tell
you
a
story,
a
story
that
I
think
we
all
need
to
know
before
we
make
it
to.
M
Meanwhile,
you
have
massive
suburban
sprawl
out
into
the
hinterlands.
That
is,
that
is
the
dynamic
that
is
causing
the
stretching
effect
with
these
maps.
And
if
you
look
at
the
maps
today,
as
they're
currently
configured,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
stretching
going
on
already,
and
so
I
agree
with
a
lot
that
has
been
said
so
far
tonight.
There's
been
a
tremendous
amount
of
work,
that's
been
done,
tracy
has
done
a
tremendous
job
in
I
think.
We've
had
calls
emails,
in-person
meetings,
zooms.
M
The
only
thing
we
haven't
done
is
like
send
carrier
pigeons
to
each
other.
On
this,
we've
had
a
lot
of
communications.
A
lot
of
discussions,
you
know
the
thing
that
sort
of
kind
of
I
don't
want
to
say
upset
me
but
troubled
me
is
you
know
district
11.,
the
district
I
represent.
The
shorthand
version
for
district
11
is:
I
represent
the
oldest
neighborhoods
in
west
ashley
and
james
island.
M
You
have
missed
a
turn
somewhere
back
and
to
arrive
at
that
at
that
place,
and
I
think
I
may
have
joked
to
amy
or
tracy
at
one
point
that
I'm
glad
there's
an
airport
in
my
district,
because
I
might
need
a
helicopter
to
get
from
one
side
of
it
to
another.
But
you
know
for
me:
it
comes
down
to
this.
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day
it's
a
decision
to
be
made
over
competing
objectives
and
priorities
that
first
slide
that
that
tracy
showed
identified
the
priorities.
M
I
think
that
you
know
from
my
perspective.
The
first
map
that
ultimately
went
public
was
a
very
incumbent.
You
know
driven
map.
It
was
a
map
that
that
valued
over
other
values.
How
do
we
keep
current
city
council
members
in
their
respective
districts?
Right?
That's
one
way
you
can
go
about
doing
it.
M
The
other
way
to
go
about
doing
it,
which
I
think
is
representative
of
the
new
alternatives
that
have
come
out,
is:
let's
follow
the
numbers.
Let's
follow
the
facts
on
the
ground.
The
facts
are
that
the
peninsula
has
continued
to
lose
population.
The
facts
are,
the
peninsula
has
continued
to
lose
african-american
population.
Meanwhile,
john's
island
has
exploded.
Meanwhile,
kane
hoy
is
exploded.
M
Outer
west
ashley
has
exploded
as
well.
So
if
you
follow
the
numbers-
and
you
follow
the
facts,
you
reach
a
conclusion
that
the
peninsula
is
currently
over
represented.
It
has
too
many
seats
on
it,
and
it's
sad
that
that's
the
case.
I
wish
we
lived
in
a
world
where
the
peninsula
had
the
most
seats,
because
if
that
was
the
case,
it
would
mean
that
we're
growing
we're
doing
infill
we're
doing
all
of
the
types
of
you
know.
Modern.
M
M
These
are
not
our
seats.
A
wise
man
once
told
me,
sits
on
council
with
us,
keith
waring.
These
are
not
our
seats
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
it's
really
not
about
us
individually.
It's
it's!
What's
doing.
What's
best
for
the
people
of
charleston,
the
vast
majority
of
which
don't
come
to
these
meetings,
they
don't
tune
into
youtube
webinars.
M
They
don't
follow
this
stuff
closely
along
and
what
may
be
the
best
for
individual
council
members
relative
to
where
they
live
and
drawing
districts
that
keep
them
in
their
seats
and
things
of
that
nature.
That's
not
always
if
we
can
do
that
in
a
way
that
that
is
in
the
best
interest
of
everybody
in
the
city
great,
but
when
that
process
reaches
a
point
where
you've
got
south
windermere
in
the
same
district
is
the
johns
island
airport.
You
have
run
astray.
The
first
map
that
came
out.
I
invite
people
to
take
a
look
at
it.
M
If
the
number
of
council
seats
in
a
particular
land
mass
was
determinative
of
representation,
west
ashley
should
be
should
be
receiving
hundreds
of
more
millions
of
dollars
in
funding.
And
that's
not
what
happens,
and
I
agree.
Yes,
if,
if
you
drew
john's
island
down
the
middle
and
had
two
john's
island
seats
there.
Yes,
that
would
cause
john's
island
to
punch
with
a
bigger
punch.
M
But
if
you
have
one
district,
where
you've
got
this,
you
know
the
core
of
the
ashley
bridge
district,
anchored
and
then
drawn
snaked
onto
john's
island,
and
then
you've
got
carolina
bay
and
other
areas
snaked
onto
john's
island.
What
you're
going
to
have
is
john's
island
being
most
likely
an
afterthought
of
two
districts
and
there's
current
examples
of
that
right
now
and
I'll,
throw
myself
out
there
before
I
throw
criticism
on
any
of
my
colleagues.
M
M
We
live
there
we
walk
there,
we
drive
there,
we
play
there,
we
go
to
work
there
and
if
y'all
haven't
noticed,
we
don't
have
staff
other
than
councilman
gregory.
I
think
he's
got
staff.
I
gotta
I
gotta
figure
out
how
I
gotta
figure
out
how
that
works.
I
think
I
think
I
gotta
show
somebody
the
money.
My
wife
turned
down
the
job.
It
is
harder
for
us
to
be
good
council
members
to
our
constituents.
The
further
the
districts
stretch
it's
harder
to
do
the
job,
so
the
alternatives
that
have
come
out.
M
One
of
the
benefits
of
them
are
that
there's
tighter,
more
compact
districts,
where
people
that
represent
those
districts
will
be
closer
to
the
ground,
they'll
be
more
responsive
to
the
needs
and
concerns
of
folks,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
we
do.
We
certainly
perform
a
legislative
role
in
this
job,
but
we're
also
sort
of
like
the
ombudsman
for
the
city
of
charleston.
Your
trash
isn't
getting
picked
up.
You
know
this
slide
in
my
playground
needs
replacing.
M
I
don't
know
about
y'all,
but
this
is
a
lot
of
what
I
do
and
we
can
be
better
at
our
jobs,
the
more
tighter
and
the
more
compact
our
districts
are.
I
hate
the
fact
that
the
district
version
that
I
think
does
the
best
for
the
city
of
charleston
and
certainly
district
11-
comes
at
the
cost
of
either
drawing
district,
3
or
district
6
onto
james
island
and
disrupts
these
dynamics.
Here.
M
I
think
that
that
that's
that's
awful,
and
maybe
there
is
a
way
we
can
continue
to
do
more
work
at
this,
where
we
balance
and
eliminate
that
sort
of
trade-off.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
there
has
to
be
trade-offs
here,
given
the
fact
that
we
have
to
follow
the
data
we
have
to
follow
the
numbers.
We
have
to
follow
the
facts
on
the
ground
and.
M
M
Okay,
so
that
is
a
data
point
to
suggest,
as
councilman
shade
mentioned
and
some
others
have
said,
there's
a
lot
more
work.
We
can
do
to
get
out
to
the
public
and
get
more
information
and
more
perspectives
at
play
here.
So
you
know
this
is
an
important
job.
I
commend
everybody.
That's
participated
in
this
so
far,
but
I
I
still
think
we
got
some
work
to
do.
Thank
you.
A
P
Thank
you
mayor,
and
you
know,
seeing
as
though
two
of
the
three
plans
affect
me
and
I
wasn't
going
to
say
anything
tonight,
because
I
really
wanted
to
listen,
but
I
I
just
want
to
say
a
couple
things:
tracy
has
done
an
awesome
job
he's
been
available
for
me
answering
questions.
I
may
not
have
liked
the
answers,
but
she's
been
absolutely
available
to
councilman
shades
point.
P
P
I
don't
want
that
data
to
be
there,
but
that's
that's
that's
the
data
that
is
presented
to
us
and
we
should
make
decisions
based
on
that
data.
I
also
want
to
tell
my
colleagues
I
don't
want
us
facing
decisions
on
me
personally.
If,
if
if,
if
the
scenario
is
best
and
it's
1a
or
1b,
and
it's
best
for
our
city
and
it's
best
for
our
citizens,
I'm
going
to
respect
that
decision,
I'm
just
a
placeholder
in
this
seat.
P
P
P
P
P
My
only
issue
is
to
councilman
mitchell's
point
is,
and
it
will
set
a
precedent
where
you're,
combining
even
in
odd
districts.
It
will
not
give
me
the
opportunity
to
run
that's
my
only
issue
with
this
is,
I
was
elected
by
my
constituents
in
a
very
hard
fought
race
against
a
wonderful,
respected
council
member.
So
I
know
I've
got
support
for
my
constituents.
P
I
just
don't
want
to
set
precedent.
I
think
we
can
rethink
the
process.
We
got
to
take
a
step
back.
Let's
do
that,
but
again
this
seat,
I'm
just
I'm
just
I'm
just
keeping
the
seat
warm
for
the
next
female
or
male
that
comes
here,
so
I
want
to
do
what's
best
for
the
city
and
what's
what's
best
for
our
future,
and
the
data
shows
that
the
future
growth
is
happening
into
the
suburbs.
So
thank.
Q
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
marin.
Thank
you
tracy.
I
know
we've
obviously
chatted,
because
the
numbers
are
the
numbers.
As
you
can
see
up
there,
my
district
had
to
lose
12
727,
which
is
literally
more
than
we're
trying
to
make
a
district,
so
john's
island.
I
think
in
one
of
the
other
charts
had
about
11
828,
something
like
that.
So
it
was
just
under
the
kind
of
12-5
threshold.
Q
So
if
I
have
to
lose
that
much
population
and
we're
dividing
it
up
because
no
one
currently
lives
there
right,
it's
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
alternative
scenarios
kind
of
came
out,
because
I
think
you
know
I've
done
my
level
best
to
to
fight
for
the
folks
on
john's
island,
and
you
know
my
gym's
on
john's
island.
I
go
down
there
all
the
time,
I'm
on
the
task
force,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
the
lighthouse
bridge
is
closed,
I'm
not
stuck
trying
to
get
off
the
island.
Q
Like
that's,
that's
not
on
me.
I
live
near
the
bridge,
but
I
don't
have
to
go
over
it
all
the
time.
So
when
you
hear
people
voice
those
complaints,
you
know
it
really
is
about
what
council
member
rappel
said
where
you're
waking
up
with
the
area
closest
to
you
and
thinking
about
that.
I
understand
what
councilmember
waring
is
saying
as
well,
that
you,
you
have
more
people
representing
an
area
and
with
the
growth,
especially
with
what
we
know
is
coming
based
on
the
mid
assessment.
Q
We
can
give
them
the
one
voice
that
they've
been
seeking,
and
I
had
said
after
I
got
elected
as
well-
that
I
would
fight
for
letting
them
have
their
own
voice
on
council,
because
splitting
it
up
does
dilute
it
to
some
regard,
and
I
would
just
end
by
saying
you
know
I.
I
was
a
political
science,
major,
I'm
kind
of
a
nerd
right.
Q
And
so
the
only
thing
I
would
I
would
say
about
the
process
would
be
if
we
had
a
magic
wand
and
could
draw
districts
without
looking
at
where
the
council
members
are
and
draw
them
where
they
make
the
most
sense,
because
my
only
complaint
with
one
a
and
one
b
and
councilman
rappel-
and
I
have
have
talked
about
this-
you
know
I
kind
of
become
the
the
savannah
highway.
West
ashley
greenway
districts
and
I
know
just
like
councilman
rappel.
Q
So
I
have
to
say
no
plan's
perfect.
I
think
we
all
realize
that,
but
I'd
love
to
see
if
we
just
had
an
ideal
world
and
we
were
just
going
to
draw
districts
regardless
of
where
we
are,
I
think,
that's
kind
of
the
starting
point
to
really
begin
to
look
at
it
because-
and
I
said
this
when
I
ran
in
2019-
I
think
we
overestimate
the
amount
of
people
that
even
know
who
we
are
to
be
honest.
Q
Most
people
when
you
walk
down
the
street
are
not
shouting
council
member
at
you
like
they're,
just
not,
and
you
can
tell
that,
based
on
the
turnout
which
we
do
have
in
the
package
based
on
the
turnout
of
the
elections.
Okay,
like
we
have
that
information
as
well.
So
it's
really
not
about
us,
as
everyone
keeps
saying.
So,
let's
start
with
a
map
that
isn't
about
us,
then,
and
let's
look
at
it
and
let's
workshop
it
and
take
the
ideas
that
we
all
have
now
and
be
able
to
move
that
forward.
I
I
don't
think
I've
heard
yet
I
don't
think
I've
spoken
yet
and
I'm
going
to
be
brief,
because
a
lot
has
been
said
and
first
tracy.
Thank
you
just
a
very
brief
bit
of
historical
perspective.
There
are
exactly
three
people
sitting
around
this
table:
who've
gone
through
this
before
and
council
member
mitchell's
done.
It
twice
in
fact
he's
still
there.
I
This
is
your
third
right,
but
you've
done
it
twice
before
two
others
who
were
here
in
2010-
and
I
just
want
to
say
this-
a
lot
has
been
said
tonight
about
these
are
not
our
seats.
But
let
me
just
say
this
this.
What
we're
doing
right
now
is
our
job
and
10
years
ago,
10
years
ago,
when
we
were
subject
to
the
voting
rights
act
of
1963
in
1964,
we
had
two
best
friend
african-american
council
members
sitting
across
the
table
from
each
other
that
we're
going
to
be
pitted
against
each
other
enough
to
run.
I
Two
months,
two
months,
we
have
now
had
these
numbers
for
a
year,
and
what
is
disheartening
is
to
listen
to
what's
going
on
around
this
table
and
saying
we're
just
getting
started.
Uh-Uh,
we
can't
be
just
getting
started.
This
has
to
end
the
numbers,
tell
you
what
they
tell
you
got
to
believe
in
those
numbers
and
what
tracy
shows
you.
We
have
we're
the
victims
of
many
many
many
things:
population
growth,
I've
heard
a
lot
of
talk
about.
It's
gone
west.
Well,
you
all
need
to
look
at
your
maps.
It's
gone
north
too.
I
It's
gone
way
north
up
onto
daniel
island
and
cane
hoy.
It's
gone
up
and
out
the
population.
The
peninsula
has
gone
down
in
district
8,
it's
gone
down,
25
percent
now,
there's
reasons
for
that
doesn't
mean
there's
25
percent
less
people
walking
around
there
is
there
is
because
they
didn't
count
the
college
this
time.
Last
time
the
college
was
counted
when
they
lived
off
campus
this
time
they
were
way
uncovered,
but
anyway
the
numbers
are
what
the
numbers
are,
and
geography
is
what
geography
is
one
of
the
things.
I
That's
happened
in
the
last
10
years
and
happened
last
time
we
went
through
the
redistricting
is
annexation.
We've
built
this
dilemma
for
ourselves:
we've
annexed
up
and
out.
That's
what
we've
done
so
districts
look
funny
and
councilmember
appel.
You
talk
about
south
windermere
and
john's
island
airport
being
in
the
same
district.
That
was
funny
to
you.
I
don't
necessarily
disagree,
but
if
you
go
as
the
crow
flies
from
south
windermere
to
johns
island
airport,
it
ain't
that
far
it's
pretty
close,
there's
a
river.
I
So
it's
hard
to
get
to
try
this
one
go
from
district
8
to
district
1.,
there's
two
rivers
and
two
bridges
and
that's
an
overnight
state,
but
that's
coming,
but
that's
coming
so
look.
What
I
would
implore
us
to
do
here
is
our
jobs.
Let's
get
with
tracy,
whatever
alternative
it
is
really
there's
not
that
much.
We
don't
have
as
much
flexibility
as
I
think
you
all
think.
I
We've
got
right
once
I
remember
and
by
the
way
I
was
going
to
say
we
need
to
quit
using
the
word
I
in
this
discussion
anymore,
we
or
our
district
right.
We
need
to
do
this
together,
or
districts
or
district
benefit,
but
I
do
remember
the
last
time
all
of
us
were
being
very
protective
of
little
corners
of
districts
right
and
we
tried
to
move
one
block,
one
block
to
include
in
district
eight,
as
opposed
to
district
one
and
the
whole
map
fell
in
on
itself
the
whole
map.
I
I
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
public
meetings
we've
had
in
those
districts,
since
these
numbers
came
out
more
than
a
dozen,
so
they
know
get
out
there
and
tell
your
constituents,
and
the
last
thing
I
will
say
to
this
is
john's
island.
Y'all
hang
in
there.
I
I
do
think
sometimes
listening
is
a
really
good
thing
and
I,
I
think
some
historic
perspective
is
a
good
thing
too.
There
is
a
lot
of
wisdom
in
having
more
than
one
representative
on
a
city
council,
particularly
in
a
district.
I
That's
grown
the
way
it
has,
and
it
is
as
far
away
geographically
as
really
anywhere
is
for
most
of
us.
No,
if
you
have
your
own
representative
and
we,
we
would
put
a
district
out
there,
district
3
or
district
6,
or
whatever
we're
going
to
call
it
you're
going
to
be
with
a
rookie
council
member
in
the
furthest
out
district.
We
don't
even
have
to
drive
through
right.
We
don't
really
see
it.
So
there
are
some
safety
and
numbers
out
there.
3
out
of
13
is
a
lot
better
than
1
out
of
13..
I
So
I
will
just
close
with
this.
What
I
would
ask
this
council
do
is:
let's
put
some
maps
in
front
of
us
and
let's
vote,
let's
put
the
districts
in
place
and
let's
go
do
our
jobs.
There
was
someone
who
mentioned
that
we
could
keep
debating
this.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about
special
elections
because
we'll
still
be
debating
it
in
2023..
I
We
can't
do
that.
We
need
to
give
people
representation.
Councilmember
brady
is
carrying
27
000
people
on
his
back
council
member
greg
who's
only
been
here
about
a
second
has
got
two
districts.
He
needs
help.
We
need
to
give
him
help
and
that
district
and
his
constituents
help
that's
our
job,
so
workshopping,
I'm
not
in
favor
of
it.
If
you
all
think
you
need
to
all
get
together
again
and
talk
about
things,
we've
already
talked
about
a
million
times
great,
but
we
need
to
put
this
in
front
of
this
body.
I
We
need
to
vote
some
maps
in
place
if
a
special
election
is
needed,
we
need
to
have
it
before
2023,
not
wait
to
2023
to
have
a
special
election
and
let's
go
back
to
work.
I
look
back
on
2010
and
see
what
we
did
in
two
months.
We
did
in
two
months
in
two
months
in
much.
I
will
tell
you
it
was
much
more
difficult.
I
It
was
much
more
difficult
because
we
had
real
issues
with
african-american
membership
and
how
we
were
going
to
protect
that
and
we
wanted
to
and
to
council
member
gregory's
question.
The
law
might
not
tell
us
we
had
to,
but
we've
got
an
absolute
obligation
to
do
that
they
have
districts
of
influence.
A
minority
majority
districts.
Tracy
has
done
an
incredible
job
with
that,
given
what
the
population
has
done.
Councilmember
pell
said.
One
of
the
stories
we
see
here
is
a
sad
story,
but
it's
a
story.
I
I
mean
if
we've
we've
taken
too
long
and
that's
no
particular
person's
fault,
but
we
can't
put
it
off
another
year,
so
I
spoke
for
much
longer
than
I
wanted
to
I
I
will
say
this:
I
don't
know
about
you
councilmember
mitchell
or
councilmember
gregory,
but
when
this
comes
up
again,
I'm
gonna
be
here
that's
right,
but
we
need
to
set
it
up
for
success.
So
the
people
that
are
here
have
districts.
They
represent
equally
okay.
So
let's
go
to
work.
Let's
get
it
done.
Let's
get
it
done.
A
C
Okay,
things
are
very
different
and
the
reason
why
things
look
the
way
they
are
is
because
we
were
trying
to
create
as
many
minority
districts
on
districts
of
minority
influence
as
possible.
It's
different
now
it's
very
different
and
that's
why
you
see
this
compact
nest
being
even
possible
at
this
time.
Okay,
because
we're
not
under
the
same
same
rules.
Okay-
and
this
is
my
last
point
during
the
last
redistricting-
I
was
a
majority
minority
district.
C
In
order
for
us
to
create
more
minority
majority
districts,
I
became
a
majority
district-
okay,
not
because
of
me,
but
because
of
the
people
and
in
terms
of
distance
that
took
me
from
mont
pleasant
street
past
the
walmart
on
james
island
and
I
had
to
know
the
islanders
and
what
their
needs
were.
I
had
to
learn
it.
C
C
Councilman
sacrament
and
I
spent
what
two
and
a
half
hours
yesterday
over
coffee
just
talking
about
what
the
possibilities
are:
we're
ready
to
get
this
thing
out
of
the
way
and
move
on
whatever
the
results
may
be.
Let's
get
going
because
if
I'm
going
to
have
new
people
to
represent
our
vice
versa,
we've
got
to
get
to
work
and
we
have
to
have
an
unbelievable
transition.
C
G
G
G
G
A
K
Yeah
I
mean,
and
I'm
I'm
trying
to
remember
what
we
did
10
years
ago
and
I
can
barely
remember
what
I
had
for
breakfast
so,
but
I
I
believe
you
know
the
last
time
we
came
prepared
for
a
public
hearing
with
multiple
plans
with
with
different
ordinances
that
had
them
ready
to
go
based
off
of
of
what
you
know
what
they
wanted
to
move
forward
on
for
a
first
reading
right.
So.
A
B
A
Okay,
so
I
I'd
like
to
respectfully
suggest
we
go
ahead
at
our
next
meeting,
that
we
have
public
hearings
and
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
plans
that
have
been
presented
to
the
public.
We've
gotten
comment
from
them
already
and,
and
we
can
have
another
robust
discussion.
I
think
we
had
a
pretty
robust
discussion.
There
was
a
word
or
two
spoken
here
tonight
about
folks's
feelings
on
these
plans.
I
must
admit:
I'm
the
one
guy
on
the
council
that
that
it
I
vote.
A
So
the
first
meeting
in
october
will
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
plans
that
have
been
presented
and,
in
the
meantime,
I'm
sure
there'll
be
more
conversation.
If,
if,
after
that
meeting,
you
all
still
feel
like
we
need
to
have
another
special
meeting,
you
know,
let
me
know
councilmember
greg.
Thank.
D
P
K
K
D
Kind
of
what
I
thought
you
were
going
to
say,
I
mean
the
idea
that
we're
going
to
come
up
with
some
magic
bullet.
That's
going
to
solve
the
controversial
issues
that
we're
dealing
with.
It's
not
going
to
happen.
Tracy's
done
60
different
versions
of
these
maps,
and
you
heard
her
say
these
are
the
best
options
we
have
in
front
of.
So
we
need
to
move
forward
with
with
one
of
these,
in
my
opinion,
and
and
to
mr
councilman
seeking's
point.
D
D
A
P
It'll
be
a
very
30
seconds
because
is
the
point
of
the
workshop
to
try
to
come
up
with
alternative
plans
or
to
make
sure
that
we
make
sure
we
do
a
great
job
of
getting
additional
public
input.
It's
two
separate
things
I
agree
with
with
councilman
greg
and
it's
either
going
to
look
like
version
one.
That's
what
the
final
map's
gonna
look
like
or
it's
gonna
be
some
sort
of
version
of
what
we've
got
on
the
table.
P
A
So,
by
the
way,
if
she
hadn't
done
so
yet
there
was
a
request
yesterday,
out
of
public
works,
that
we
have
a
workshop
meeting
about
the
slab
on
grade
and-
and
so
I
think
when,
when
we
get
together
for
that,
we
could
dedicate
some
time
to
this
topic
as
well,
not
to
overdo
it
and
have
some
more
opportunity.
Councilmember
shade
for
for
that
discussion.
A
I
think
importantly,
now
is
to
hear
from
the
public
as
well
and
we've
we've
done
outreach
and
had
webinars
and
and
we've
gotten
some
some
feedback
back
to
us
and
that's
what
led
to
the
to
the
two
additional
plans
that
have
come
forward.
So
let's
do
that.
Let's
pull
y'all
for
the
workshop
on
the
slab
on
grade
we'll
dedicate
some
additional
time
for
this
topic,
we'll
we'll
have
the
public
hearing
the
first
meeting
of
october
and
with
the
thought
that
by
the
second
meeting
in
october,
we'll
take
a
vote.
I
Mr
mayor,
I
think
you're
pushing
it
pushing
it
pushing
it.
Well,
I
don't
understand
why
we
can't,
if
there's
still
somebody
ahead
and
by
the
way,
I'd
like
to
point
out,
there's
been
a
lot
about
this
out
there
in
the
public
and
tonight
other
than
the
team
from
john's
island
who
rightfully
had
something
to
say,
yeah
three
citizens
who
were
worried
about
an
area
that's
grown
in
population,
more
narrows,
not
another
single
citizen
has
come
to
speak
to
us
tonight
from
any
other
district
so
and
they
know
what's
going
on.
I
So
I
think
if
the
idea
is
we're
not
getting
enough
public
input,
I
think
you're
gonna
be
surprised
how
little
we're
gonna
get
when
we
put
it
out
on
the
public.
What
I
would
suggest
is
this:
we
certainly
want
as
much
public
input
as
we
can
get.
Yeah
never
cut
it
off.
But
if
we're
going
to
have
a
public
hearing
first
reading,
let's
take
a
vote
that
night
too.
Let's
vote
on
it.
Let's
not
have
the
public
hearing
and
then
put
it
to
the
next
meeting.
I
A
J
H
D
A
G
You
man,
this
generated
from
the
last
two
council
meetings
we've
had
and
the
message
we
get
from
our
wonderful
clerk
is
that
the
machine
is
busted
and
we
have
to
download
our
our
agendas
and
it
just
occurred
to
me
and
if
you
look
around
this
table
right
now,
the
number
of
us
you've
got
some
kind
of
tablet
on
here
as
to.
Why
are
we
still
making
copies
of
our
agendas?
Why
can't
we
just
download
them
on
our
our
tablets
or
if
we
can
budget
for
them?
G
I
mean
I
had
this
conversation
with
councilmember
wearing
that
you
know
we're
both
kind
of
old-fashioned
that
we
like
to
see
things
in
print
and
hold
paper
in
our
hand,
but
I
think
we
got
to
the
stage
now
and
in
our
digital
era
that
this
is
the
time
for
us
to
start
thinking
about
doing
things
electronically
and
and
why
we're
not
doing
that?
I
know
we're
in
the
middle
of
our
budget
discussions.
G
A
So
so,
just
to
give
everyone
an
update
on
two
things:
we
are
converting
to
a
agenda
management
software
over
the
next
couple
of
months
and
yes,
this
would
be
a
good
time
for
us
to
switch
over
to
electronic
distribution
of
all
of
our
documents,
because
even
staff
will
be
able
to
sign
off
on
all
the
agenda
items
without
it
being
printed
out
on
paper
anymore.
So
you
jennifer.
Do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that?
So.
A
B
A
Anyway,
we're
on
the
verge
of
making
that
transition
and
if
anybody's
got
an
issue,
please
please
chat
with
us
about
it
yeah,
but
thank
you
for
bringing
it
up
because
it's
it's
past
time,
yeah!
No,
no
question
about
it!
Okay!
So
next
up
our
council
committee
report
versus
our
committee
on
community
development
council
member
mitchell,
yeah.
O
O
A
Any
discussion
on
that
point
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
all
right.
Any
opposed
the
eyes
have,
of
course,
you'll
approve
any
particular
financing.
You
know
when
it
when
it
comes
to
council.
I
would
like
to
ask
robert
summerfield
to
report
to
us,
because
we
had
a
couple
of
comments
tonight
and
online
about
the
bar
matter
above
line
street.
Isn't
that
ready
to
go
to
bar
for
approval
on
new
policies.
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
councilmember
saccharin,
thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
this
and
I
just
wanted
to
respond
since
a
few
folks
that
brought
it
up
this
evening
that
that
is
ready
to
go
and
it
can
be
changed
in
the
future.
But
we
it's
it's
good
to
go
ahead
and
make
I
think
the
changes
that
have
been
contemplated.
That's
when.
A
R
R
It
would
not
be
a
thing
that
you
all
come
back
and
vote.
That
would
be
a
new
ordinance
that
you
all
would
vote
on
at
that
point
and
again,
this
policy
is
to
clarify
and
make
easier,
the
current
ordinance
and
the
and
limit
the
number
of
things
that
require
full
board
intervention
and
allow
staff
to
make
approvals
on
those
replacement
issues
and
other
things.
It's
it's
a
pretty
positive,
in
my
opinion,
approach
that
we've
been
working
on
for
a
while
to
to
to
make
those
adjustments,
because.
H
H
The
representative
of
the
people
should
have
a
say
this:
it
should
not
bypass
the
public
square
in
this
body.
It
went
to
a
standing
committee.
It
should
forward
to
council,
because
what
we're
doing,
if
you
follow
the
map
as
a
matter
of
fact,
some
time
ago,
as
my
pal
said
this,
if
you
follow
the
auspices
of
the
bar
and
I
support
them
where
they
are
now,
but
as
they
have
progressed
up
this
peninsula
diversity
has
diminished
greatly.
H
A
H
P
I
am
it's
not
my
understanding
of
why
the
ar
was
going
to
prove
it.
So
that
was
not
my
understanding.
I
thought
we
were
coming
back
to
council
presented
at
council.
I
never
was
given
a
full
answer
about
why
bir
had
purview
to
basically
make
decisions
that
affected
them.
I've
made
the
same
point
that
councilman
waring
has
made.
P
P
So
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
been
a
miscommunication,
I
thought
it
was
coming
back
to
cd
committee
for
additional
discussion
based
on
some
of
the
feedback
that
we're
hearing
this
evening,
I'm
going
to
ask
them
to
come
back
to
cd
and
come
to
full
council,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
the
right
thing
and
I'm
not
doing
this
in
this
expeditious
way.
I
want
to
make
sure
if
it
takes
another
two
months.
P
I
want
to
do
it
the
right
way
and
if
it
needs
to
come
to
council
for
full
debate,
I'm
going
to
recommend
that.
But
I
was
not
at
a
point
where
I
was
good
with
with
the
changes,
because
I
was
not
sure
the
young
lady
that
came
tonight
that
the
new
current
the
changes
we
made
would
possibly
affect
her
outcome.
P
A
C
R
Make
that
distinction,
so
I
wasn't
here
when
you
made
the
most
recent
updates
to
those
definitions
that
was
in
2017
in
those
areas
of
responsibility.
The
drb
has
responsibility
in
those
commercial
corridors
is
my
understanding,
but
in
the
neighborhoods
in
the
neighborhoods
that
have
the
historic
designations,
those
are
they
have
demolition.
Purview
is
a
bar
review
and
that
demolition
includes
the
removal
of
any
of
those
character.
C
I
wouldn't
agree
to
that
either
I
mean
that's
the
area
where
I
live
north
of
line.
I
mean
I
wouldn't
agree
that
just
willy-nilly,
but
I
thought
that
there
were
some
some
policies
that
would
that
directed
the
drb
to
preserve
okay,
not
be
able
to
preserve
certain
aspects
in
those
historical
neighborhoods
as
well.
R
A
O
That's
that's
what
I
was
going
to
mention
to
you
that
he
came
before
the
cd
committee.
The
timing
was
no
longer.
He
didn't
have
that
much
time
to
do
the
presentation
because
we
had
to
end
it.
So
that's
why
I
was
actually
if
he
was
coming
back.
So
I
wanted
to
ask
mrs
johnson
how
many
items
did
we
have
on
it
because
he
might
have
to
come
back
to
the
city
committee
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
the
committee
itself
and
then
bring
it
back,
you're
not
going
before
the
br
before
the
next
council
meeting
right.
O
N
O
B
F
R
A
R
So
as
I
I
thought
I
had
followed
back
up
with
you,
but
maybe
I
missed
I
I
didn't,
but
in
our
investigation
we
didn't
approve
any
demolition
on
that.
Unfortunately,
as
has
happened
too
numerous
of
times
to
count
folks
have
done
things
either
intentionally
or
unintentionally
that
have
resulted
in
demolition
to
a
property
and
therefore,
since
there
was
no
demolition,
there
was
no
bar
review,
because
all
they
were
doing
were
were
doing
fixing
the
property,
so
there
was
no
demolition
permit,
so
there
was
no
bar
review
in
that
case.
Okay,.
C
P
Thank
you
mayor.
I
wondering
why
you
asked
the
question
tonight.
I
just
want
to
say
for
the
record.
As
vice
chair,
we
did
give
a
blessing
to
that
policy,
but
the
the
direction
to
to
staff
mr
summerfield
and
miss
copeland
was.
I
was
going
to
spend
some
time
with
planning
department
to
figure
out
if
the
policy
changes
were
in
effect
and
make
a
difference.
That's
where
we
are
current.
There
was
no
directive
to
to
staff
to
bring
it
back
to
committee
to
bring
it
back
to
council.
P
A
J
J
We
do
already
have
some
funding
allocated
from
the
2021
reserves
for
a
lot
of
areas
in
the
peninsula,
west,
ashley
james,
island
and
city-wide,
which
includes
field
improvements
and
master
planning,
but
in
total
we
have
over
five
million
dollars
toward
projects
included
in
the
parks
and
recreation
master
plan
and
future
funding.
Possibilities,
of
course,
may
be
a
bond
general
fund
reserves
of
about
three
and
a
half
million
tourism
funds
of
almost
3.8
million.
J
If
we
took
one
large
project
from
each
area
of
the
city,
a
bond
would
be
approximately
44
million
dollars,
so
the
next
step
would
probably
be
for
us
to
have
a
full
council
workshop
to
prioritize
projects
and
discuss
how
we
can
fund
those.
So
we
do
have
some
debt
coming
off
in
2024,
so
the
timing
could
be
good
if
we
chose
to
have
a
referendum
in
november
2023.
J
We
discussed
a
little
bit
about
parks
and
rec
staff
park.
Staffs
is
down
about
30
percent
recreation
staff
and
has
about
a
40
vacancy
right
now,
mostly
part-time
people,
so
michelle
borough
said
they're
kind
of
looking
at
where
they
might
be
able
to
combine
some
part-time
positions
into
full-time
positions
to
to
help
with
that,
we
did
discuss
golf
course
bathrooms.
J
Mr
kronsberg
has
located
the
utility
water
lines
has
come
up
with
some
locations
and
he's
working
on
some
cost
estimations
for
the
additional
for
the
addition
of
restrooms
on
the
course
and
he's
using
a
model
that
charleston
county
prc
had
constructed
in
one
of
their
parks
as
well.
So,
but
also
councilman
gregory
and
I
will
be
getting
together
we're
going
to
share
some
ideas.
He
has
some
out
of
the
box
ideas
he's
looking
at
for
some
staffing
solutions
so
and
a
point
of
good
news
toward
the
end
of
our
meeting.
J
Laurie
yarborough
was
happy
to
announce
that
we
have
hired
a
business
and
enterprise
manager.
Hopefully
this
is
going
to
produce
some
revenue
and
some
new
partnerships
for
us
and
he
happens
to
be
moving
his
family
here
from
florida
and
is
expected
to
start
in
about
a
month.
So
we're
very
excited
to
have
him
and
mr
mayor.
That
concludes
my
report.
J
A
J
Well,
there
is
an
idea
of
having
a
you
know
the
the
friends
of
the
muni
and
the
and
the
golf
course
committees
have
talked
about
a
a
pavilion
area
where
they
can
have
youth
golfers
out
there.
They
can,
they
can
teach
youth
golf
have
a
have
an
area
for
them.
Also,
it
would
be
a
place
to
have
outdoor
events.
Maybe
a
picnic
afterward,
those
types
of
things,
and
would
it
would
just
be
a
nice
pavilion
area
for
for
them
to
use.
A
A
C
Right,
the
joint
license
committee
and
public
safety
committee
met
on
september
6
2022,
specifically
to
deal
with
the
late
night
establishment
late
night,
late
night,
ordinance.
Okay,
there
were
some
recommendations
made
for
change
and
I'll
ask
meg
to
come
and
talk
to
us
about
those
specific
changes.
N
N
Okay,
so
just
as
a
quick
recap,
I
wanted
to
remind
everyone
that
the
l
e
ordinance
has
been
in
place
since
2013,
and
almost
a
hundred
l
e
permits
have
been
issued
to
date
across
the
city.
It
has
always
been
a
city-wide
ordinance.
There
are
obviously
concentrations
of
l
e's
in
particular
areas,
but
it
it
does
apply
city-wide
through
the
coven-19
pandemic.
N
N
We
proposed
some
changes
back
in
the
fall
of
2021.
We
heard
very
clearly
from
the
community
that
we
needed
to
do
some
more
work
on
that.
So
we
went
back
this
winter.
A
staff
work
group
developed
a
new
draft
and
then
did
a
series
of
outreach
this
spring
and
summer
focus
groups,
restaurant
advisory
group
presentations
and
a
public
meeting,
and
then
we
were
back
before
this
body
in
august
and
received
first
reading
pending
some
amendments
to
go
back
to
license
committee.
N
Just
as
a
in
case
anyone
hasn't
seen
this
presentation.
This
is
what
that
outreach
has
looked
like,
so
the
first
round
again
was
back
last
fall.
We
had
about
70
attendees
at
two
different
meetings
over
at
the
visitor
center.
This
spring
and
summer
we
did
a
small
in-person
focus
group.
We
did
a
restaurant
advisory
group
zoom
and
another
big
meeting,
and
we
had
about
30
people
attend
that
one
and
just
last
week
we
got
back
together
with
the
restaurant
advisory
group
to
give
them
an
update.
N
Not
only
do
you
need
to
get
this
operational
permit,
which
that's
what
this
ordinance
is
about,
you
may
also
have
to
get
a
zoning
special
exception
if
you're
close
to
a
residentially
zoned
district.
They
also
look
at
concentrations
of
eleni's
through
zoning
and
different
aspects
like
that,
and
then,
of
course,
you
also
have
to
get
your
blco,
so
some
things
that
have
changed
from
the
2013
version.
N
An
l
e
basically
means
any
establishment,
that's
opened
after
midnight
and
serves
on-premise
consumption
of
alcohol.
What
is
now
included
by
changing
this
definition
a
little
bit.
It
also
includes
those
uses
that
are
inside
accommodation
uses,
basically,
hotel
bars
are
covered
by
this.
Now
we've
simplified
the
noise
and
waste
management
sections
that
used
to
outline
some
particular
things.
We
now
just
say
you
need
to
comply
with
existing
city
codes
about
these
issues.
N
We
also
talked
a
lot
about
security
requirements.
The
2013
version
says
you
can
have
to
have
security
based
on
your
approved
maximum
occupant
load.
What
we've
done
here
is
we've
given
restaurants,
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
to
have
a
security
staff
based
on
the
number
of
people
they
actually
have
in
their
establishment.
N
N
Currently,
they
are
not
required
in
your
initial
security
plan
that
you
submit
with
your
permit.
However,
there
is
an
option
to
require
them
if
you're
forced
to
go
to
a
remediation
meeting
which
I'll
talk
about
those
in
a
minute,
and
we
are
also
exploring
a
pilot
incentive
program.
I
know
you
guys
all
saw
roy
neal
with
el
jefe
here
at
the
last
meeting,
demonstrating
that
other
changes,
the
permit
now
will
be
reviewed
by
staff.
N
N
We
don't
usually
do
a
court
summons
as
our
first
attempt.
We
can
issue
one
at
any
time
for
a
violation.
However,
they're
usually
only
issued
immediately
for
significant
life
hazards
or
repetitive,
issues
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
fix.
Our
goal
is
education.
So
before
we
do
a
court
summons,
we
usually
do
meetings
education,
training.
Before
we
go
to
a
summons,
I
will
even
issue
a
violations
notice,
which
is
not
the
same
as
a
court
summons
and
usually
has
a
timeline
for
people
to
get
into
compliance.
N
So
what
I'm
stressing
here
is
generally
from
non-immediate
life
safety
hazards.
Only
after
failure
to
correct
the
situation
will
court
summons
be
issued
so
the
first
time
this
came
to
council,
we
had
a
series
of
consequences
based
on
a
first
issuance
of
a
court
summons
and
then
a
second
issuance
of
the
court
summons.
When
we
went
to
the
joint
license
and
public
safety
committee,
we
presented
an
option
with
four.
N
N
After
the
second
issuance
of
a
court
summons,
you
have
another
remediation
meeting
and
the
director
of
revenue
collections
may
issue
a
written
notice
to
suspend
a
late
night
permit
for
up
to
90
days
on
the
third
issuance
of
a
municipal
court
summons.
The
director
of
revenue
collections
will
issue
a
written
notice
to
suspend
a
lightning
permit
for
up
to
one
year.
N
So
what
we're
hoping
for
is
to
get
a
second
reading
from
y'all
tonight.
You
do
have
the
option
to
give
it
final
reading.
If
you
would
like
pending
more
edits
and
amendments.
However,
I
do
want
to
say,
even
if
you
do
give
a
final
reading,
the
ordinance
has
three
months
before
it
becomes
effective.
That
will
give
staff
some
time
to
build
out
these
new
systems.
Do
some
educational
awareness
that
sort
of
thing
and
eleni's
already
in
existence
would
have
five
months
to
get
into
compliance?
F
F
B
F
N
I
I
just
want
to
chime
in
really
quickly
because
there
was
one
adjustment
that
was
made.
That
council
didn't
mention
very
briefly,
but
I
think
it's
an
important
adjustment
between
the
last
time
we
were
here,
it's
how
we
workshopped
it
and
tonight,
and
it's
under
section
17-130
subpart
2..
Originally
there
was
there
was
a
penalty
for
violation
of
any
violation
of
any
city
code
or
state
law,
and
that's
now
been
changed
to
make
it
a
violation
of
this
ordinance
itself
and
that's
an
important.
I
think,
change,
and
I
want
to
thank
council
for
doing
that.
I
I'm
not
sure
you
mentioned
that
in
your
presentation,
but
that
limits
the
scope
of
the
potential
world
of
violations
which
we
talked
about
during
the
special
meeting,
and
you
know
I
mean
there's
so
many
laws
in
the
state
and
so
many
city
ordinances.
I
mean
it's
for
those
of
you,
don't
know
this
it's
illegal
to
spit
on
a
sidewalk
in
charleston.
If
you
do
that,
you're
violating
an
ordinance,
the
building
code
is
an
ordinance
there's
lots
of
things.
So
I
think
this
limits
that
scope
and
makes
it
much
for
the
better.
P
A
P
Just
make
my
my
couple
questions
and
a
comment,
so
I
would
like
to
see-
and
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
what
councilman
parker
was
asking
17-126
I'd
like
to
see
the
infractions,
because
that's
been
my
issue
for
most
of
this
is
the
list
of
infractions
have
been
some
are,
some
are
serious
and
some
are
criminal.
So
is
there
a
way
to
to
see
those
list
of
infractions
that
these
businesses
are
going
to
be
held
accountable
for.
N
N
I
Something
talked
about
if
you
yeah,
they
didn't
highlight
that
change,
but
if
you
go
back
to,
if
you
look
at
17,
130
subpart
2,
the
first
full
sentence,
and
you
compare
the
last
ordinance
that
we
debated
and
voted
on
city
council
and
the
one
that's
before
us
tonight.
It
takes
out
any
violation
of
city
code
or
state
laws,
which
was
very
broad,
and
now
it
only
is
a
violation
of
the
ordinance
itself.
I
A
P
B
B
P
P
Thank
you,
okay,
I
guess
now's
the
time
so
for
my
concern,
I
think-
and
I
just
want
to
say,
meg
you've
done
a
great
job
and
the
staff
has
done
an
awesome
job.
Getting
us
to
this
point,
some
of
the
business
owners
that
I've
spoken
with,
especially
the
good
business
owners.
They
they
like
the
plan,
but
the
specific
challenge
that
they
have
an
issue
they
have.
P
Is
that
we're
lumping
all
of
these
different
infractions
into
one
one
bunch
where
five
and
six
are
criminal
by
their
very
nature,
whereas
leaving
a
door
open
crowd,
control
those
are
serious,
but
they
are
not
criminal
charges.
I've
asked
to
have
them
either
separate
or
weighted
business
owners
I
spoke
with
were
fine
with
having
them
waited
or
or
struck
from
from
the
ordinance
completely
I'm
fine
with
either
one.
P
P
A
I
Couple
more
sure,
fellow
council
members
online
yeah
meg.
Can
you
put
up
this
side-by-side
comparison
on
the
two
strike
that
one
thank
you
so
when
we
first
debated
this
when
we
first
gave
this
when
we
gave
this
first
reading
that
the
licensing
period
was
one
year,
we've
now
made
an
adjustment
to
take
it
to
two
years
and
when,
in
one
year
we
had
essentially
two
strikes
you're
out
and
this
body
said
whoa,
that's
a
little
bit
too
punitive.
We
need
to.
You
know
really
think
this
through.
I
Let's
get
it
to
three
and
under
one
year,
then
they
changed
it
to
two
years
and
four
strikes
and
you're
out
and
at
the
joint
committee
meeting
we
rolled
it
back.
So
we
went
to
two
years,
but
we
went
to
three
strikes
and
you're
out,
which
is
what
really
more
punitive
than
two
in
one
year
three
in
two
years.
I
So
I
don't
think
that-
and
I
don't
think
I
articulated
that
very
well
at
the
joint
meeting,
because
we
were
distant,
but
I
think
we
should
go
back
to
the
four,
not
the
three,
because
we've
just
made
it
more
punitive.
So
if
you
believed
two
weeks
ago,
when
you
voted
for
two
and
one
that
that
was
bad,
three
and
two
was
worse
right:
do
the
math
it's
one
and
a
half
a
year
instead
of
two
a
year.
I
If
you
do
that,
and
and
it's
pretty
darn
punitive
now,
the
good
news
is,
it
only
looks
back
on
itself,
which
is
better
to
me,
but
I
would
humbly
suggest.
Mr
mayor
and
fellow
council
members,
we
stick
with
what
legal
counsel
came
up
with
the
september
6th
version,
which
is
the
four
rather
than
the
three.
I
The
last
point
I
will
make
is-
and
this
is
in
conversations
with
both
council
and
police
department
and
goes
back
to
council
member
sacramento's
point
five
and
six
on
the
enumerated
things,
one
of
which
is
the
knowingly
and
will
mention
allowing
possession
use
or
sale
of
controlled
substance.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
put
that
in
there
at
all,
because
that
is
going
to
imply
and
implicate
the
city
having
to
take
into
our
court
systems
things
that
the
state
probably
would
otherwise
prosecute
and
six
encompasses
it
anyway.
I
If
you
look
at
six,
it's
the
responsibility
to
not
knowingly
allow
any
specified
criminal
activity,
so
five
is
not
meant,
we
don't
need
it.
We've
already
got
six
there
to
capture
them,
so
those
are
the
two
amendments
that
I
would
offer
and
about
it.
I
don't
know
if
we'd
vote
on
that
now,
but
if
we
do
get
the
point,
that's
those
are
my
two
points.
Thank
you.
A
N
A
G
G
Then
you
go
into
the
issuance
of
a
summons,
that's
strike
number
two
and
you
in
your
violation,
for
that
is
upon
issuance
of
the
first
summons.
Within
a
two-year
period,
there
will
be
a
mandatory
remediation
meeting
between
the
lne
and
city
staff,
third
violation,
which
is
then
the
second
issuance
of
a
summons.
You
can
have
your
permit
suspended
up
to
up
to
so
you
could
be
zero
to
90
days,
then.
The
third,
which
is,
which
would
be
the
fourth
violation,
would
be
the
third
summit.
So
you
talk
about
four
strikes
and
not
three.
G
G
I
had
just
had
to
re-educate
myself
on
this,
we're
talking
about
the
the
not
the
business
license,
but
the
permit
and
the
permit
is
to
serve
from
midnight
to
two
so
we're
not
shutting
down
the
business,
we're
just
removing
and
putting
in
jeopardy
that
permit
from
those
two
hours
of
12
to
two.
That's
really
an
important
distinction
to
make.
So
by
the
time
you
get
to
the
fourth.
G
C
I
think
it's
time
for
us
to
I
mean
we,
we
went
through
all
of
this
in
the
committee
meeting
I
mean
here
we
are
again
doing
it
again,
I'm
not
talking
about
you,
you
didn't
you
did
not
listen.
You
did
not
make
your
amendment.
You
wanted
to
do
it
here,
I'm
not
talking
about
you,
but
I
understand
all
this
other
stuff
we're
talking
about
we're
going
back
and
forth
with
staff
we're
probably
driving
them
crazy.
M
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
first
want
to
thank
staff,
meg
and
mallory,
and
everybody
else
that's
played
a
role
in
this.
This
is
this
is
a
very
thorough,
comprehensive
process.
You
know
I
was
approached
by
several
folks
on
the
upper
king
street
late
night
community
and
I
considered
those
folks
to
be
the
good
operators.
They
had
some
genuine
concerns,
while
I
don't
think
they
would
ideally
have
any
of
this.
M
I
think
we've
come
a
long
way
and
I'm
in
a
position
where
I'm
very
happy
with
with
where
things
stand,
so
I
just
want
to
you
know,
send
kudos
to
everybody.
That's
been
involved
in
the
process.
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
example
of
the
legislative
process
working
where
we
hear
from
the
stakeholders.
We
work
it
around
through
committee.
We
get
to
a
good
place.
The
one
thing
that
I
would
just
like
to
say
is
once
we
pass
this,
which
I
hope
we
do.
M
We
realize
and
recognize
I
mean.
Let's,
let's
you
know,
let's,
let's
acknowledge
the
the
elephant
in
the
room.
Here.
It's
got
a
little
crazy
on
upper
king
street
of
late.
You
may
have
may
have
heard
this
ordinance
going
on
the
books
being
put
up
on
munich
is
not
going
to
solve
any
problem
in
and
of
itself
until
and
unless
the
city
gets
serious,
about
enforcing
our
ordinances
and
enforcing
some
of
our
criminal
laws.
M
Frankly,
in
that
environment,
we're
not
going
to
see
the
changes
that
we
need,
we
have
the
tools
in
place
today,
under
our
current
business,
license
ordinance,
you
can
have
your
business
license
pulled.
You
know
this
whole
framework,
this
beautiful
thing
we're
looking
at
you
want
to
know
what
our
current
business
license
ordinance
says,
hang
tight,
you
can
have
your
business
license
pulled
in
the
city
of
charleston.
If
you
engage
in
an
unlawful
or
activity
an
unlawful
activity
or
nuisance
related
to
the
business.
M
Do
you
think
there's
maybe
some
businesses
of
an
upper
king
that
fall
into
that
category,
that
we
could
take
up
through
the
business
license
process?
And
I
can
tell
you
the
distinction
between
the
late
night
permit
and
the
business
license
for
a
lot
of
these
worst
of
the
worst.
Offenders
is
a
semantic
difference
without
a
distinction,
their
business
is
midnight
to
two
in
the
morning.
M
So
let's
pass
this
ordinance
it's
much
better
than
when
it
first
came
to
us,
but
let's
not
lose
sight
of
the
fact
that
we've
got
to
take
the
fight
to
the
problem
on
upper
king
street
or
we
are
not
going
to
see
better
solutions
and
the
day
is
going
to
come.
I
hope
the
day
never
comes
where
we
have
dead
bodies
in
the
street
on
every
king
street.
We
came
real
close
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
we
have
to
prevent
that
from
happening.
M
We
can't
wait
for
the
federal
government
and
the
state
government
to
pass
gun
reform
in
america.
It
ain't
happening.
We
have
to
take
charge
of
what
we
can
control
and
that's
licensing
of
businesses
and
it's
law
enforcement
in
the
streets
and
it's
a
virtuous
cycle
and
and
our
we
we're
not
flying
on
the
aircraft
carrier
with
mission
accomplished.
In
the
background,
once
we
pass
this,
the
work
is
not
even
begun,
yet
we've
got
to
get
serious
about
enforcing,
let's
go
after
the
worst
of
the
worst
businesses
they're
out
there.
M
Q
A
I
I
A
B
D
P
B
I
don't
for
number
six.
I
the
way
that
this
is
the
way
that
the
ordinances
was
drafted
is,
it
would
include,
you
know,
outside
criminal
activity
to
be
considered.
However,
I
believe,
with
the
points
that
we've
already
included,
any
those
type
of
violations
would
be
reported
to
the
business
license
department
and
could
be
considered
so
in
terms
of
what
the
council
is
trying
to
accomplish.
I
don't
think
that
that
would
have
a
negative
impact.
C
B
C
B
Council
members,
as
this
has
been
massaged
the
last
couple
of
times,
I
think
the
my
takeaway
from
the
workshops
and
the
meetings
that
we've
had
in
council
is
that
we
want
to
focus
this
on
code
violations
for
for
the
for
the
late
night
establishment
businesses,
especially
you
know,
we've
got
our
police
on
our
fire.
This
is
to
add
another
tool
in
our
tool
belt
and
the
feedback
I
got
from
the
the
last
meeting
was
there
was
some
confusion
about
muddling
it
with
criminal
activity.
B
Sorry
and
I'm
I'm
getting
I'm
having
a
bird
on
my
shoulder.
This
is
what
we
want
to
reiterate
is
it
is
a
privilege
to
operate
late
night
here
in
the
city
of
charleston,
so
this
is
different
than
the
business
license,
and
criminal
activity
does
contribute
to
public
nuisance,
which
also
goes
to
towards
the
business
license
rail
that
was
described
earlier.
D
So
so,
as
I
understand
it,
council,
member
rappel,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Sorry,
yeah
councilman
repel
the
way
you
explain
this.
We
already
have
tools
in
the
tool
belt
to
take
care
of
items,
number
five
and
six
using
existing
ordinances
on
the
books.
So
it's
sort
of
redundant
anyway,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
that
yes
counselor
all
right.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
P
M
M
90
days
is
quicker
than
pulling
their
business
license,
and
then
we
can
go
do
that
too.
I,
I
think,
those
those
aren't
in
conflict
those
work
well
together,
so
I
mean
I,
I
think
it
should
stay
in
and
give
them
the
option
of
doing
this
then
going
further
and
pulling
the
permit
and
oh
by
the
way.
If
this
is
going
on
on
king
street-
and
we
know
about
it
and
for
some
reason
these
laws
are
not
being
enforced.
M
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
councilmember
gregory.
I
just
I
I
am.
I
asked
the
first
question,
so
I
just
want
you
to
you
you
to
understand
why
you
know.
I'm
you
see
me
on
a
lot
of
committees
that
I'm
not
on.
I
I
jump
on
those
committees,
so
I
can
hear
that
discussion
prior
to
council.
This
is
certainly
one
that
you
know.
I
wasn't
on
that
committee
meeting.
I
didn't
hear
what
changes
were
made
if
any.
So
I
just
wanted
those
questions
there.
F
You
know
asked
it's
not
that
I
don't
that
if
something
comes
out
of
committee,
you
know
that
no
no!
I
just
wanted
to
explain
that,
but
so
I
I
mean
I
would
certainly
be
with
removing
five
and
six
just
because
again
criminal
activity,
but
if
it
is
so,
you
know
if
it's
pertinent
to
the
committee,
then
you
know
I'd
allow
it.
I
would
like
to
know.
I
know
deputy
thompson
is
not
here,
but
I
would
like
to
hear.
Is
there
someone
who
can
I
mean?
Are
these?
Are
five
and
six
they?
J
Sat
here
all
night
same
thing:
I'm
captain
brooder,
I
am
filling
in
for
deputy
chief
thompson
on
this
matter.
I
have
not
been
a
privilege
to
all
the
discussions
that
have
happened
over
the
last
year
plus
on
these
discussions.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
usually
loud
enough.
So
the
difference
between
number
five
and
six
number
five
is
already
well
established
in
state
and
federal
law.
J
When
I
first
reviewed
this,
it
stood
out
to
me
that
jumped
off
the
page,
it's
already
a
federal
law,
a
federal
violation
to
maintain
any
type
of
residence
or
place
for
distribution
of
drugs.
So
there's
way
higher
laws
that
we
don't
need
to
bed
down
into
civil
or
municipal
ordinance.
So
those
are
also
already
asked
and
pretty
much
answered
at
a
higher
level
with
way
more
punitive
damage
than
the
loss
of
a
an
l
e.
J
J
Well,
then,
that
would
give
the
city
the
opportunity
to
also
issue
a
l
e
violation
which
may
subject
them
or
it
may
be
the
warning
or
may
lead
to
that
first
strike
to
escalate
things
along
that
process
which
isn't
captured
anywhere
else
so,
rather
than
having
a
whole
bunch
of
enumerated
laws
that
are
otherwise
on
the
books.
If
a
law
were
to
be
broken
and
again,
it
would
still
be
up
to
the
process
of
review
by
the
director
of
revenue.
R
F
J
The
knowingly
part,
so
if
we
went
in
there
and
we
said
hey,
we
just
took
this-
this
person
out,
we
caught
them
selling
drugs
in
the
back.
That
may
be
their
first
warning
that
he
alluded
to
at
the
of
the
new
four.
However,
we're
gonna
count
that
right,
so
we
would
then
mourn
the
the
business
there
informally
not
through
this
process,
but
the
second
or
third
time
that
we
go
back
and
we're
still
catching
people
dealing
drugs
out
of
a
place
or
possessing
drugs
in
there
or
using
drugs
in
their
restroom
or
whatever.
J
The
case
may
be,
and
we're
obviously
talking
about
drugs
here,
but
then
that
may
rise
to
the
level
that
hey.
This
is
the
third
person
we've
taken
out
of
here
using
drugs
in
your
bathroom
you're,
not
doing
anything
about
it.
We're
gonna
cite
you
for
this.
On
top
of
that
other
person,
and
if
that
were
to
escalate
to
the
level
of
drug
dealing
out
of
there
and
some
known
allowing
of
drugs
to
be
used,
there
now
you're
starting
to
rise
that
level
of
federal
prosecution
or
federal.
You
know
state
circuit,
court
and.
F
G
There
are
separate
criminal
codes
that
we
deal
with
the
possession
of
contraband,
the
underage
possession
of
a
firearm
open
container
of
beer.
Things
of
that
nature
that
are
not
necessarily
encompassed
with
this
ordinance
that
the
two
different
things
that
we're
dealing
with
the
police
are
charged
with
keeping
the
peace
and
enforcing
our
criminal
codes,
state
law
or
our
city
ordinances.
G
A
fire
marshal
may
be
responsible
for
making
sure
that
there
are
the
code
is
not
being
violated.
As
far
as
the
capacity
is
concerned,
the
city
police
officers
may
not
necessarily
go
in
and
count
heads-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
merger
of
different
type
of
things
that
we're
dealing
with
code
violations,
criminal
activity,
and
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
very
clear
on
this.
In
the
council
member
appel's
point,
we
have
on
the
books
the
ability
for
the
police
to
enforce
individual
criminal
activity
which
the
police
are
charged
with
enforcing.
G
So
the
the
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
we've
been
circling
around
us,
but
the
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
is
the
heightened
violence
that
has
occurred
on
king
street.
It
began
on
memorial
day
weekend
and
it
happened
again
on
labor
day
weekend.
So
the
beginning
and
the
end
of
our
traditional
summer
season,
we've
had
some
shootings
in
which
some
very
serious
activity
took
place.
Very
violent
activity
took
place.
G
This
ordinance
does
not
necessarily
address.
What
is
that
particular
shootings
that
took
place
on
those
two
different
bookends,
but
it
will
do,
is
provide
the
police
and
our
staff
with
additional
ability
to
address
that
type
of
level
of
violence,
but
to
the
point
that
councilman
rappel
is
making
we
if
we
heighten
up
the
enforcement
of
our
existing
criminal
activity,
that's
going
to
address
those
shootings
that
took
place
out
there
before.
G
A
P
A
A
You're
withdrawing
your
amendments
to
remove
number
six
okay.
So
as
it
stands,
we
have
the
ordinance
as
amended
from
what
we
originally
presented
last
time
with,
with
the
exception
that
we're
removing
number
five.
As
noted
and
that's
what's
on
the
table
right
now,
that's
right
any
further
discussion
or
questions
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
oppose
the
eyes
have
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
H
A
A
H
C
H
We
have
a
problem
and
when
it
comes
to
men
that
clean
ditches
in
the
city,
we
normally
have
seven
ditch
digging
crews,
which
is
seven
people
in
a
crew
as
49
people.
We
are
now
down
to
four
people,
four
people
for
the
whole
city,
one
concern
that
I
have-
and
I
made
mention
to
it
before-
was
that
we
increased
the
pay
raise
kind
of
along
with
the
ordinance
that
we
just
passed.
This
is
not
the
beginning
and
all
we
increased
the
minimum
pay
to
15
and
one
of
the
problems.
Is
it's
not
the
man's
fault?
H
H
It's
nothing
like
talking
to
a
family
that
floods,
water,
intrudes,
a
house
doing
a
low
tide
and
that's
what
happened
and
the
district
that
I
represent.
Isn't
the
only
one
I'm
familiar
with
some
in
councilman
mapel's
district,
I'm
familiar
with
some
in
councilmember
she's
district
council
member
sacrament
district
and
those
areas
needs
to
be
addressed.
H
H
H
So
I
I
I
put
on
the
agenda
for
next
meeting
two
weeks
from
now
that,
hopefully
we
can
identify
those
areas,
so
all
12
counts
of
people,
including
the
mayor.
Obviously
the
member
council
identified
some
of
these
older
areas.
I
don't
know
the
areas
on
james
island
that
that,
in
particular,
flood
on
low
tide,
we
have
to
come
up
with
a
solution
for
these.
H
It
has
to
be
pushed
up
as
a
priority.
So
I
I
brought
that
to
public
works,
bringing
it
to
council
so
hopefully
to
get
feedback
from
the
mayor
as
well
as
all
council
members
on
these
areas
that
primarily
flood
and
the
solution
is
a
gravity
flow
problem.
We're
not
talking
about
having
to
dig
shafts
and
get
you
know
big
pumps
from
england
to
pump
the
water
back
into
the
ashes,
we're
talking
about
the
gravity
flow
problems
and
a
number
of
these
subdivisions.
H
These
flooding
problems
have
been
created
because
commercial
developments
have
been
allowed
to
run
through
residential
areas
prior
to
getting
to
the
out
form.
I
thought
that
if
we
can
get
staff,
I
mean
legal
to
look
into
this.
I
thought
several
years
ago,
mr
mayor,
that
we
passed
the
ordinance
for
a
lot
of
the
commercial
areas
that
were
built
prior
to
our
stormwater
ordinance
coming
to
be
to
come
into
compliance
after
a
number
of
years.
H
One
of
the
ones
I
would
mention
is
actually
ashley
towne
landon,
some
of
the
areas
in
councilman
shai's
district
floods,
because
of
not
the
water
coming
off
of
the
roofs
and
the
driveways
in
the
neighborhood
is
the
water
coming
from
a
commercial
area
through
the
neighborhood,
creating
the
flooding
problem
before
getting
to
the
outflow.
Now,
we've
known
this
for
a
number
of
years,
but
we
have
not
appropriated
monies.
H
So
these
people,
every
time
they
get
a
heavy
rain,
they
got
to
worry
about
water
coming
in
their
homes.
They
got
three
years
to
wait
on
somehow
we
have
to
accelerate
that
process,
so
not
for
the
big
discussion.
I
wanted
everybody
to
know
because
you
know
sometimes
when
you
own
a
committee,
you
get
first
dibs
and
that's
not
right.
We
all
should
have
first
crack
at
this
and
know
the
problem.
H
So
first
we
have
to
get
the
action
step
to
get
more
people
to
clean
the
ditches,
and
if
that
means,
we
have
to
move
some
budget
items
around
and
get
some
help
from
human
resources
to
do
that
and
advertise
to
get
people
that
provide
that
function.
Our
taxpayers
have
paid
their
tax
dollars
and
they
cannot
get
this
production.
H
M
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
councilman
waring,
for
bringing
this
up
at
the
meeting.
I
was
on
that
committee
meeting
because
we
we
approved
a
lot
of
money
here
in
ways
and
means
every
two
weeks
right,
and
that
is
something
that
I
don't
we
don't
ever
talk
about.
We
don't
we're
not
approving
any
money
to
clear
these
ditches
and
I
I
just
think
this
has
to
be
a
priority.
I've
been
here
for
nine
months
and
telling
constituents
no,
we
are
understaffed,
underpaid.
F
We,
I
don't
think
we
can.
We
cannot
continue
down
that
road.
I
I
just
don't
if
we
are
not
talking
about
the
trash,
the
staffing
and
more
than
anything
after
especially
you
know,
especially
after
this
heavy
rainfall,
I
did
the
same
thing
as
councilmember
wearing
drove
all
around
james
island
and
to
me
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
infrastructure's
there.
You
know
this
is
above
my
pay
grade,
but
we
have
council
member
greg.
We
have
matt
fountain,
we
have
dale
morris,
but
a
lot
of
this
seems
to
be
a
labor
issue.
F
You
know
clearing
these
ditches.
Water
has
nowhere
to
go
even
if
it
wanted
to
get
into
that
infrastructure.
It
can
so
thank
you
for
putting
it
on
the
committee.
I
hope
that
we
can
come
up
with,
like
you
said,
councilman
mcgregory,
some
innovative
solutions,
whether
I
think
we
need
to
start
contracting
it
out.
I
mean
I
think
we
need
to
hire
labor
forces
and
just
get
crews
out
in
these
ditches.
However,
we
can
I
mean
we,
we
have
all
of
these
empty
slots,
so
certainly
there's
money,
hopefully
one
other
thing.
F
This
is
off
the
subject,
so
I'm
sorry
russ,
but
the
public
hearing.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
I
I
didn't
know
that
I
mean
I
knew
what
the
community
members
were.
Do
it.
You
know
they.
They
had
brought
me
to
look
at
that
piece
of
that
causeway,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
and
I
didn't
realize
that
you
know
they.
They
submitted
a
a
petition
to
close
the
road,
and
so
there's
going
to
be
a
public
hearing.
This
kind
of
goes
back
to
council
member
seekings.
F
If
you
remember
how
long
I
had
something
in
traffic
and
transportation
for
a
speed
bump
and
that
started,
I
think,
last
august
or
september,
so
I
guess
I'm
still
just
curious.
There's
there's
a
timeline
thing
for
me:
how
we
to
close
a
road.
It
seems
to
go
really
quickly
for
that
neighborhood
to
get
a
public
hearing
or
a
speed
bump
or
a
stop.
What
was
a
reduction
of
speed
took
a
long
time.
Is
that
the
normal
process
for
closing
a
road
versus
stoplight
speed,
bump.
A
N
A
A
F
A
F
I
I
M
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
you
know
guys,
there's
really
nothing
bad.
That
can
happen
from
closing
a
public
street
on
james
island.
You
know,
there'd,
never
there'd,
never
be
a
situation
where
that
would
happen
and
say
you
know,
45
years
later,
an
issue
would
would
arise,
but
I
want
to
say
something
a
little
it
making
you
laugh
made
my
day.
Thank
you,
councilman
waring.
M
M
That
guys
is
really
something
we've
got
to
work
on
matt
and
his
staff
do
an
unbelievable
job.
We
were
able
to
resolve
some
issues
today
in
my
district
as
a
matter
of
fact,
but
but
the
our
staff
needs
the
resources
to
do
their
job,
whether
it
be
enforcing
ordinances
on
upper
king
street
or
digging
ditches
and
maintaining
our
outfall
systems
over
in
west
ashley
and
elsewhere.
It's
not
a
15
an
hour
job.
M
M
You
know,
or
you
know,
all
city
staff
are
important,
I'm
not
trying
to
create.
You
know
tears
and
things
of
that
nature.
I'm
trying
to
be
delicate
about
this,
but
it
is
just
too
important
and
maybe
the
city
of
charleston
becomes,
you
know,
there's
news
stories
out
there.
You
know
that
talk
about
this
crazy
city
in
the
southeast
is
paying
30
an
hour
for
people
to
clean
out
dishes.
You
know
what
it's
worth
it
if
it
means
saving
a
family's
house
from
flooding
constantly
things
of
that
nature.
M
So
maybe,
if
we
just
have
four
crews,
we
pay
them
a
ridiculous
amount
of
money
than
what
you
would
think
and
we
just
have
like
the
navy
seals
of
stormwater.
Ditch
crews
working
around
the
city
just
knocking
things
out,
because
what
I'll
tell
you
is
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
even
when
matt
and
his
limited
staff
come
through
and
they
do
some
cleaning
out
of
the
greenway
or
they
do
some
great
work
in
some
of
the
neighborhoods
in
west
ashland.
M
A
A
Ask
we
actually
have
this
meeting
when
it's
been
called
for
and
y'all
are
all
welcome
to
attend
right
at
the
next
public
works
meeting.
Councilwoman
waring
invites
you
all
to
attend,
bring
your
list
of
every
home,
you
know
of
that's
gotten
water
in
it
and
I
don't
care
if
it's
low
tide,
middle
tide
or
high
tide.
If
people
get
water
in
their
homes
in
this
city,
we
need
to
respond
and
you're
absolutely
right.
It
doesn't
matter
what
time
it
is
all
right.
So
if
we
may
now
move
on
councilmember
shade,
I.
G
I
just
want
to
go
quick
moment
and
I
appreciate
the
discussion.
I
know
it's
getting
late
in
the
evening,
but
it's
not
just
the
the
crews
that
we
need
in
the
manpower
the
problem
has
been
in
particular
in
west
ashley
that
we've
just
ignored
this
issue
for
so
long,
and
a
lot
of
the
problems
is
that
we've
got
to
get
surveyors
out
to
properties
because
some
of
the
digits
run
behind
in
their
backyards.
I'm
dealing
with
this
in
ashley
hall,
manor
I've
dealt
with
this
in
charlestown
estates
that
we
haven't
maintained
these
ditches.
G
A
C
C
A
A
G
Generally
speaking,
what
had
happened
in
the
past
is
that
when
police
responded,
they
tried
to
have
the
crowd
disperse
and
the
violation
in
naturally,
they
made
a
decision
between
the
may
3rd.
I'm
sorry
the
april
30th
and
may
28
violations
to
be
more
aggressive
with
with
that.
That
was
not
carried
out
on
at
that
time,
and
so
they
have
made
adjustments
to
address
more
active
and
more
effective
enforcement
of
our
noise
ordinances
and
to
other
violations
that
they
see
out
there.
So
the
memorandum
was
very
comprehensive.
G
It
highlighted
some
of
the
positive
things
that
came
out
of
this
shooting.
There
were
13
folks
who
were
seriously
injured.
Law
enforcement
had
some
injuries
as
well
as
several
civilians,
and
we
were
grateful
for
the
multi-jurisdictional
response
from
several
law
enforcement
agencies
that
came
out
to
be
to
respond
to
that.
So
there
is.
This
is
a
good
report.
I
have
asked
councilmember
mitchell
and
I've
discussed
with
the
mayor
that
we
need
to
take
this
report
to
the
east
side
community
and
have
have
this
aired
out
in
front
of
that
community.
G
A
B
A
A
All
right
any
discussion
on
any
of
those
they've
all
visited
us
before
any
questions
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
now
for
third
world
ratification
of
all
those
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
you
pose
the
odds,
have
it
next.
We
have
bills
up.
First
reading
we
have
one
which
is
our
pilot
program
for
rental
registration.
A
R
R
So
once
again
we
took
to
heart
everything
that
we
heard
the
last
time.
This
was
at
the
city
council
and
may
have
made
significant
changes
to
the
rental
registry
program.
Again,
you
all
have
heard
this
rental
registries.
They
exist
all
over
the
country.
They
exist
all
over
this
state
of
south
carolina
colombia
has
had
one
since
2016
that
they've
had
I'm
in
action
and
been
working
on.
They
also
exist
in
other
communities.
Rock
hill,
clemson,
florence,
woodruff
and
spartanburg
all
have
have
these
rental
registry
can
run
the
gambit.
R
The
purpose
of
this
ordinance
is
to
establish
a
pilot
district
where
residential
rental
properties
would
be
required
to
have
a
permit
and
again
we
would
establish
the
pilot
get
ourselves
underway
and
then
once
we
are
prepared
to
move
forward,
we
would
expand
that
to
include
additional
neighborhoods
on
the
peninsula.
Once
those
are
are
firmly
done,
then
we
would
look
to
expand
elsewhere
in
the
city.
It
establishes
some
rights
and
responsibilities
of
landlords
and
tenants,
specifically
it
tracks
properties
where
we've
had
issues
year
after
year.
R
How
is
this
different
from
what
previously
was
proposed?
So
we
heard
loud
and
clear
from
members
of
the
council,
the
community
councilman
mitchell
the
concern
about
starting
this
on
the
east
side.
So
we've
gone
back.
We've
looked
at
the
numbers,
the
next
neighborhood
that
kind
of
met
the
criteria
that
we
were
using
for
the
evaluation
of
where
to
start
is
the
cannonbarro
elliott
borough.
It's
a
it's
a
larger
neighborhood.
R
There
are
more
units
there
that
we
will
need
to
tackle
initially,
and
that
was
one
of
our
our
original
concerns,
but
dan's
team
is
is
prepared
to
to
take
that
on.
So
we've
moved
the
the
pilot
program
to
canon
borough,
elliott,
borough
per
the
direction
of
the
council
when
they
met
last
on
this,
we've
removed
all
of
the
inspection
component
requirements.
R
We've
added
a
provision.
The
local
representative
is
also
subject
to
citation
if
they
don't
follow
up
on
issues
and
then
there's
also
an
added
provision
that
landlords
will
be
issued
a
summons
to
municipal
court
if
they
are
unlicensed
or
have
not
received
the
permit
and
with
that
oops
sorry,
fat
fingered
that
one
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
dan
he's
going
to
talk
about
the
actual
program,
because
the
planning
staff,
particularly
bns,
worked
on
a
lot
of
the
outreach.
L
L
L
Second
is
five,
and
thereafter
five
and
any
egregious
I'd
say
egregious
violation,
severe
property
damage
and
or
ill
injury
or
death
to
that
cause
to
an
individual.
Then
it
would
subject
them
to
a
10-point
violation.
Now,
during
this
whole
process,
there
will
be
a
remediation
component
and
they
will
have
the
opportunity.
L
Landlords
will
have
the
opportunity
if,
for
example,
they
receive
their
first
point,
they
have.
They
can
give
a
remediation
plan
remediation
plan,
basically
basically
describing
or
to
us
what
they're
going
to
do
to
resolve
it,
make
sure
that
their
land,
their
tenants,
are
aware
and
are
accepting
the
mitigation
or
the
remediation
process,
and
then
once
it's
satisfied
to
the
department
of
liberability,
those
points
could
be
given
back,
so
total
of
15
points
could
be
accrued
within
that
one
year.
That
would
be
revocation
or
suspension
within
a
24-month
period.
L
The
points
will
not
go
away
until
that
24-month
period,
but
again
throughout
the
whole
process.
You
have
the
opportunity
to
have
that
plan
in
place
to
resolve
it
and
prove
to
the
city
that
their
tenants
will
be
able
to
to
behave
accordingly.
The
appeals
process
really
quick.
They
could
come
to
us
first.
L
I
hear
the
case
and
if
I
uphold
the
case,
it
would
then
go
to
the
code
enforcement
board.
That
board
will
be
reactivated
to
address
all
the
appeals
to
this
process.
If
the
code
enforcement
board
upholds
that
decision
that
I
have
made,
then
the
next
appeals
process
would
be
the
circuit
court
in
charleston
county.
G
G
G
L
G
You
you've
got
the
landlord
has
the
ability,
depending
on
how
the
the
agreement
is,
is
drafted
and
executed.
They
have
the
right
to
evict
under
certain
circumstances
if
it's
contained
within
their
lease
agreement
right,
but
if
that
lease
agreement
is
silent
on
that
or
if
the
landlord
elects
not
to
enforce
that
lease
agreement,
if
you
revoke
this
permit,
then
what
you're
doing
is
effectively
evicting
a
a
person
from
that
premises,
because
now
you're
saying
he
can't
that
landlord
cannot
operate
that
premise
to
be
rented
out
legally
anymore.
G
G
L
B
I
just
want
to
kind
of
walk
through
this
this
process,
so
once
you've
accumulated
15
points
or
more
within
a
12-month
period,
keep
in
mind
once
you've
accumulated
one
point:
you
can
have
a
remediation
remediation
plan
put
in
place
at
that
point.
You
are
then
subject
to
suspension
pending,
revocation,
so
they'll
be
hearing
they'll
be
evidence
presented,
it
doesn't
automatically
mean
you
get
15
you're
done
so
there
are
plenty
of
opportunities,
and
what
we're
hoping
to
do
is
is
have
our
livability.
D
B
Work
with
landlords
and
work
with
tenants
to
resolve
these
issues,
but
if
we
do
get
to
that
point
where
a
a
permit
is
in
fact
revoked,
then
at
that
point
there
you
have.
You
have
landlord
tenant
law
that
that
will
govern,
but
you,
if
you
continue
to
be
renting
without
a
permit,
that
you
are
in
in
violation
of
the
of
the
permitting
ordinance
but.
G
A
B
G
That's
that's
exactly
right,
there's
a
landlord-tenant
act
that
specifies
the
tenants
rights
under
under
that
act,
so
you
you're
not
evicting
the
tenant
stays
in
there.
The
landlord
the
landlord
continues
to
collect
rent
off
of
that,
but
you're
going
to
find
him
on
a
daily
basis.
As
long
as
that
tenant
remains
in
the
premises.
B
It
depends
on.
I
think
this
would
be
a
case-by-case
basis
and
that's
why
I
think
the
way
that
this
is
written
it
gives
the
livability
team
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
working
with
with
folks,
but
in
a
situation
where
you
have
a
landlord
that
is,
is
not
in
compliance
and
that
these
issues
are
are
driven
by
bad
actors
that
are
landlords.
A
A
G
C
I
Well,
I
just
to
take
it.
Sort
of
the
extreme
you've
also
got
an
intermediate
step
of
suspension
so
during
a
period
of
suspension,
well
the
tenant's
still
in
the
house
and
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out
the
reasons
why
the
suspension
was
going
on.
Are
they
still
getting
fined
daily
during
the
suspension
period,
because
the
tenant's
still
in
there
or
do
they
have
to
no
hang
on?
Does
the
tenant
then
have
to
move
out
for
them
to
avoid
continued
fines?
That's
that's.
I
think,
really
where
this
is
headed.
I
I
But
if
you're
in
that
period
and
we're
going
through
this
administrative
process
and
you're
under
suspension
in
the
interim,
whether
that's
a
day
a
week
a
month,
whatever
it's
still
you're,
still
in
violation,
there's
some
ability
to
find
it's
just
a
it's.
A
very
complicated
scheme
for
the
objective
here,
which
I
thought
was
to
have
a
landlord
registration
ordinance
which
we
could
then
build
on
and
then
put
it
into
a
business
licensing
situation.
I
I
The
purpose
is
way
beyond
rental
registration
right,
let's
all
be
what
it
is,
and
I
just
think
we're
setting
ourselves
up
for
failure
here
until
we
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
get
people
registered
in
see
how
that
goes
and
then
build
on
the
business
license
side
of
things.
It's
just
going
to
be
dan
for
you,
a
regulatory
nightmare
and
by
the
way
I
think
it
now
splits
up
the
the
rules
and
regulations
between
short-term
and
long-term
rentals,
and
it
makes
it
actually
the
short-term
rental
people
in
better
shape
than
the
long-term
rental.
I
I
F
D
F
F
It's
not
going
to
come
across
the
bridge,
okay,
so,
but
I
there
are
things
in
the
in
the
state
contract
you
know
so
maybe
having
byron
king
or
someone
from
you
know,
ctar
speak
on
some
of
these
questions
that
you
had
council
member
shade
might
be
a
good
idea,
because
I
agree
I
mean
there
are,
if
they're,
in
violation
of
some
of
these
things,
there
are
terms
in
the
lease
that
might
help
them
to
evict.
But
what,
where
are
we
going
with?
That?.
L
I've
shared
this
with
the
charleston
realty
association.
I've
shared
the
recent
draft,
no
questions
after
the
last
draft
was
given
the
josh
dix
has
been
very
supportive.
I
mean
he's
the
director
of
the
board
of
governors
for
the
entire
charleston
area,
so
I
feel
if
I
had
a
lot
of
pushback
from
them,
then
we'd
have
a
problem,
so
I
came
here
tonight
yeah
feeling
confident
that
I
was
not
getting
pushback
from
the
very
people
that
would
have
the
most
concern:
the
the
landlords
and
realtors
and
things
of
that.
A
Frankly
I
remember
when
I
lived
in
harlston
village
and
next
door,
there
were
a
lot
of
wild
parties
there
and
I
I
think
you
know
some.
Some
accountability
was
needed
and,
and
so
this
model
actually
came
mostly
from
columbia,
south
carolina
and
when
I
was
at
the
municipal
association,
I
think
I
mentioned
y'all.
I
had
a
there
was
a
presentation
by
chief
holbrook
of
columbia,
police
department
and
his
team,
and
they
showed
the
maps
and
they
selected
the
areas
around
the
you
know
university
of
south
carolina.
A
P
Thank
you
mayor.
I
fully
support
the
direction
we're
heading.
Can
I
make
a
motion
to
send
this
back
to
the
appropriate
subcommittee?
Given
we've
changed
the
pilot
to
now
elliot
brocanboro,
we
can
bring
marion
in.
You
can
have
a
discussion
with
him
about
what
he
thinks
we
should
include
in
this
that'll
give
us
some
time
and
staff
time
to
retweet
this.
P
J
Mayor
I
I
guess
I
wasn't
real
clear
on
why
we
switched
it
switched
the
to
canon
borough,
elliott
borough
instead
of
esa,
because
I
well
my
idea
was
that
part
of
it
was
that
you
were
having
these
pop-up
parties
and
and
all
this
violence
and
stuff
in
that
area.
And
that
was
part
of
the
reason.
And
now
we
kind
of
moved
it.
And
I
guess
I'm
just
not
real
clear.
L
J
L
The
matrix
for
the
neighborhoods
separately,
the
number
of
rentals
in
each
neighborhood
versus
the
number
of
police
livability
calls
and
did
the
balance
east
side
won,
so
they
were
had
the
last
the
least
rentals,
with
the
most
noise
and
disturbance
events.
So
that's
why
we
based
it
but
councilman,
mitchell
and
other
council
people
were
not
in
favor
of
it.
So
we
re
evaluated
our
numbers
and
the
second
in
line
would
be
canon
elliott
a
little
more
about
1300
units
versus
around
800.
A
O
Wanted
this
years
ago
they
brought
this
up
and
they
wanted
they.
They
have
the
way
eliever
cannonball
set
up
in
their
neighborhood
association.
They
can
go
and
pinpoint
view
all
the
rentals
in
their
area.
They
got
it,
they
they
do
these
type
things,
and
so,
when
they
called
me
they
said
well.
Why
is
going
over
there?
We
asked
for
this
years
ago
and
they're
the
one
that
brought
this
up.
So
that's
when
I
went
and
spoke
with
the
east
side
community.
O
They
said
well,
we
didn't
ask
for
this
yet
because
they
just
started
moving
over
in
the
east
side.
You
know.
So
this
is
what
happened
and
that's
what
I
mentioned
that
and
I
mentioned
it
to
dan.
I
said
well,
well,
I
said
early
bird
cannonbar.
I
wanted
they're
ready
for
it,
but
they
pushed
they
pushed
this
and
that's
they're
having
more
problems,
but
they
were
saying
that
eastside
was
smaller
and
that's
why
they
wanted
to
work
on
the
pilot
program,
but
they
don't.
O
A
And
they've
got
a
pretty
big
agenda
there.
So
could
I
respectfully
ask
as
noted
this,
this
ordinance
has
seen
a
lot
of
improvement.
We
were
really
listening
last
time
we
were
really
listening
tonight
as
well.
Could
I
respectfully
ask
we
give
this
first
reading
and
and
and
let
us
continue
to
work
on
it
and
bring
it
back
to
you
with
changes.
I
see
some
some
nodding
and
shaking
the
head.
A
B
A
Can
I
all
in
favor
of
going
to
executive
session,
say
aye
and
any
oppose?
Could
I
suggest
we
take
about
a
five
minute
break,
I
think,
being
right
in
here,
because
I
don't
think
anybody
wants
to
hang
around.
We
are
not
planning
on
taking
any
action
when
we
reconvene
after
executive
session,
so
I
guess
I
would
asked
that
any
any.