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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 1/26/2021 Part 2
A
A
All
right:
well,
I
don't
know
that
I
have
to
take
official
action
other
than
to
announce
we'll
reconvene
this
meeting
of
city
council
of
charleston,
and
we
were
in
the
midst
of
our
public
hearings.
A
D
E
D
Okay,
so
this
is
the
amendment
to
provide
that
cluster
developments
will
no
longer
be
permitted
for
new
developments.
It's
up
before
you
all
for
second
reading.
It
went
to
the
planning
commission
in
november,
and
then
they
deferred
it
with
some
questions
and
it
came
back
in
december.
D
I'm
going
to
kind
of
go
through
the
planning
commission
discussion
on
this,
the
questions
that
they
asked
and
the
answers
we
had
for
them
as
background
material
on
this.
For
you
all,
so
this
is
the
text
that
you
all
endorsed
it.
With
the
first
read
on
october
13th
of
last
year,
it
was
a
sunset
for
the
cluster
development
ordinance,
which
is
an
optional
development
pattern
that
can
be
undertaken
in
certain
zoning
districts
in
the
city
of
charleston.
D
The
information
requested
by
planning
commission
before
endorsing
or
giving
their
in
their
opinion
on
this
ordinance
amendment.
They
wanted
to
know
what
has
and
has
not
worked
with
the
existing
cluster
developments.
They
wanted
an
overview
of
the
proposed
conservation
ordinance
intended
to
replace
it,
and
what
is
the
interplay
between
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
provisions
in
the
existing
cluster
development
and
reference
converse,
conversation,
development,
ordinance
and
the
new
adu
ordinance?
D
D
If
you
all
can
see
my
cursor,
I'm
kind
of
circling
over
here
on
the
left-
and
these
are
similar
size-
lots
kind
of
cookie
cutter
shape
using
up
most
of
the
land
on
a
piece
of
length
of
developed
acreage
on
the
right
is
what
you
might
call
a
cluster
or
conservation
oriented
subdivision,
where
the
houses
are
in
much
smaller
lots,
they're
much
closer
together,
but
there's
much
more
green
space
provided
for-
and
this
is
what
essentially,
the
cluster
ordinance
aims
to
do,
as
well
as
the
worked
on
new
conservation
ordinals.
D
The
existing
cluster
developments
in
the
city.
There
are
about
12
of
them,
and
this
is
a
listing
of
all
the
different
cluster
developments
in
the
city
between
them.
They
have
approval
for
about
760
units,
and
these
would
all
be
moving
forward,
whether
you
know
you
all
sunset,
the
ordinance
or
not,
they
would
be
allowed
to
move
forward
because
they
have
concept
plan
approvals.
D
They
are
in
all
a
number
of
areas
of
the
city
other
than
downtown
they're
in
west
ashley,
james
island
johns
island
and
also
in
the
king
hoy
area.
The
average
size
of
a
cluster
in
the
city-
and
this
is
an
image
of
a
cluster-
the
sea
air
cluster
development
on
james
island
clusters
in
general
in
the
city
of
charleston,
have
an
average
size
of
22
acres.
D
They
have
an
average
number
of
58
units,
an
average
density
of
2.6
units
per
acre,
which
is
lower
than
typical
sr1,
which
is
4.8,
and
they
have
approximate
open
space
preserve
across
the
city
of
about
140
acres.
So,
by
virtue
of
these
being
in
place,
we've
preserved
about
140
acres
as
green
space
throughout
the
city,
the
I
will
go
to
the
next
slide.
The
clusters
are
around
the
city,
as
I
said,
in
12
different
locations.
D
These
are
showing
where
they
are
on
the
edges
of
john's
island
to
the
center
areas
of
james
island,
to
the
ashley
vale
maryville
area
of
west
ashley,
and
also
out
to
the
edges
of
the
city
in
the
king.
Hawaii
development
has
analyzed
our
current
cluster
ordinance
and
we
came
up
with
successes
and
areas
for
improvement.
The
successes
were
that
preservation
of
open
space,
the
nearly
140
acres,
preserved
tree
preservation,
use
of
vegetation
and
other
natural
systems
to
enhance
drainage
systems
and
meshing,
suburban
and
rural
designs.
D
It
enhances
open
space
requirements,
enhances
tree
conservation
requirements,
particularly
the
clusters
of
trees,
which
you've
seen
articles
in
the
post
and
courier
about
how
important
those
are
and
answer
provisions
for
affordable
housing
and
accessory
dwelling
units.
D
Oh
yes,
so
there
have
been
many
flooding
issues
that
have
been
cited
in
connection
with
the
fleming
park:
cluster
off
of
fleming
road.
These
have
all
been
investigated
through
our
storm
water
folks
and
were
found
to
be
connected
to
inaccuracy
of
off-site
topographic
data
available
for
use
in
the
stormwater
calculations.
D
So
additional
responses
about
the
interplay
between
the
adu
provisions
and
existing
cluster
development
reference
conservation
development
ordinance
are
that
adus
are
permitted
in
the
current
cluster
ordinance
without
any
affordability
requirements
and,
of
course,
that's
different
from
how
they're
permitted
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
you
have
to
have
affordability
requirements
for
an
adu.
So
that's
a
difference.
D
The
anticipated
timeline
for
adopting
the
reference
conservation
ordinance
and
we
have
anticipated
it
being
adopted
in
2021
following
the
adoption
of
the
revised
comprehensive
plan,
because
the
comprehensive
plan
is
a
whole
lot
of
data
about
how
our
city
is
growing
and
the
impacts
on
our
city,
such
as
from
the
water
sea
level,
rise
from
flooding.
Also.
The
impacts
on
our
city
from
our
housing
situation,
and
we
wanted
to
have
all
that
data
in
hand
to
bring
forth
the
conservation
ordinance
with
all
that
information
behind
it.
D
The
conservat
comprehensive
plan
will
be
completed
in
march
april
time
frame.
We
will
have
more
public
engagement
in
march
and
will
be
coming
to
you
hopefully
sometime
in
april,
so
that
is
time
frame
on
that
at
this
point.
D
So
then,
the
final
item
here
is
the
anticipated
impact
on
developers
during
the
period
between
the
sunset
of
the
cluster
development
ordinance
and
the
reference
conservation
ordinance
developers
wanting
to
start
the
approval
process
for
cluster
development
will
be
required
to
wait
until
the
new
ordinance
is
ratified,
because
at
present
there's
not
an
ordinance
in
place
that
they
could
use.
B
A
G
Thank
you
all
good
evening,
mr
mayor
and
members
of
council.
My
name
is
jason
crowley,
communities
and
transportation
director
for
the
coastal
conservation
league.
The
conservation
league
has
long
advocated
for
land
use
policies
that
protect
our
watersheds
by
clustering,
new
developments
on
high
lands
where
the
infrastructure
already
exists
and
avoiding
impacts
to
wetlands
and
important
natural
habitats
and
other
significant
resources.
G
When
the
league
worked
on
this
with
the
city
many
years
ago,
the
intentions
and
principles-
and
there
are
several
positive
examples
of
cluster
developments
that
have
successfully
been
implemented.
G
However,
what
looks
right
on
paper
does
not
always
pan
out
well
in
the
field
and
from
time
to
time,
we
do
need
to
review
how
our
land
use
policies
are
working
and
make
necessary
adjustments
based
on
new
information,
and
we
believe
that
that
new
information
is
definitely
coming
out
of
this
comprehensive
plan
update,
particularly
the
influence
of
the
dutch
dialogues
report
that
you
all
adopted
last
year,
which
will
be
incorporated
into
the
new
the
new
comprehensive
plan.
G
So
we
believe
it
is
appropriate
that
planning
staff,
as
they
wrap
up
the
comprehensive
plan
in
the
coming
months,
make
a
new
cluster
ordinance,
a
conservation
ordinance
that
mr
morgan
mentioned
the
first
priority
to
implement
the
new
recommendations
in
the
form
of
this
revised
ordinance,
and
we
believe
that
sun
setting
is
appropriate,
but
we
would
like
to
have
some
sort
of
firm
start
date
of
beginning
the
drafting
of
this
new
ordinance
by
the
spring,
as
the
comprehensive
plan
is
wrapping
up
so
closing
out
this
one,
but
with
a
clear
date
of
when
the
new
one
will
begin
in
order
full
potential
out
of
this,
we
just
believe
that
highland
acreage
should
be
the
only
acreage
included,
let's
wrap
up,
mr
crowley.
B
B
H
I'm
joining
by
phone
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
in
support
of
this
agenda
item.
My
name
is
eileen
jordy.
I
live
at
1650
bryce
road,
which
is
directly
off
gribble
road
extension.
We
have
a
lot
of
undeveloped
forested
land
out
here.
Like
many
of
our
neighbors.
We
could
no
longer
afford
to
buy
a
house
in
this
community
in
which
we
live,
and
zoning
and
building
codes
are
not
just
a
stroke
of
a
pin.
They
have
real
impacts.
H
We
know
this
firsthand
because
when
the
seaside
spyglass
development
was
built
adjacent
to
our
property,
our
land
began
its
metamorphosis
into
the
sloppy
mess
of
standing
water.
We
call
our
yard,
for
literally
nine
months
out
of
the
year
drought
or
no
drought.
Our
concerns
were
met
with
sympathy
and
no
action.
H
Why
do
we
focus
on
prevention,
because
every
dollar
spent
on
prevention
saves
ten
dollars
in
countless
lives?
My
point
is:
there's
literally
no
better
time
to
start
than
now.
We
as
you've
heard
we've
had
we
have
a
better
conservation
cluster
option
in
the
pipeline.
We
have
knowledge
and
understanding
of
how
climate
change
and
development
is
contributing
to
flooding
in
our
community,
and
we
have
zero
time
to
squander
so
please
vote
to
remove
the
permitting
for
cluster
development
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
I
I
It
may
work
really
well
in
one
part
of
the
city,
and
I
just
want
to
talk
about
my
little
corner
of
the
world,
the
part
of
james
island,
where
I
live,
where
there's
still
some
pockets
of
developable
land,
I'm
definitely
not
anti-development,
but
I
think
you
know
we've
come
so
far.
You
know
we're
always
here
talking
about
what
good
development
looks
like,
and
I
think
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
exacerbate
exacerbating
already
saturated
flood
prone
areas.
I
My
neighbors,
my
good
friends,
you
know
they
live
on
properties
right
near
lands
that
are
at
risk
of
what
we
would
call
poor
development
under
this
current
cluster
ordinance
here.
If
we
allow
these
pockets
to
be
paved
over,
we're
knowingly
putting
my
community
at
risk.
Our
corner
here
on
the
southern
james
island
is
already
in
such
a
fragile
state.
I
mean
it's
pouring
rain
right
now,
I'm
just
hoping
it's
not
high
tide,
all
of
our
land
gets
saturated
and
we
all
know
that's.
I
You
know
we
hear
this
over
and
over
that's
just
what
it
is
to
live
in
the
low
country.
Of
course,
you
know
we
see
the
overflowing
ditches
ponds
cropping
up
in
people's
front
yards,
but
you
know
this
community
here.
This
is
a
real
neighborhood.
Some
of
these
properties
have
been
here
for
multiple
generations,
certainly
along
donnie
lane
and
along
military.
I
Like
what
you
know,
the
two
people
before
me
said
we're
really
excited
to
know
that
the
city
is
currently
working
on
making
improvements
to
these
development
policies,
particularly
around
the
conservation
ordinance.
So
I
just
want
to
urge
council
hold
true
to
your
original
recommendation
and
don't
allow
cluster
subdivisions
at
this
time
until
better
policies
are
in
place.
Thank
you.
So
much.
E
Good
evening
my
name
is
joshua
robinson,
I'm
a
city
resident
and
the
principal
of
robinson
design
engineers
here
in
charleston.
I
am
directly
familiar
with
the
cluster
development
ordinance
as
we
have
designed
two
residential
cluster
development
neighborhoods
within
the
city.
One
of
them,
in
fact,
was
the
sierra
neighborhood
that
christopher
shared
a
few
minutes
ago,
and
my
firm's
also
part
of
the
design
team
for
the
comprehensive
plan
update.
E
I
am
confident
that
a
conservation-based
ordinance
of
this
kind
is
feasible
and
that
it
can
be
made
appealing
to
real
estate
developers
and
builders
too.
The
current
ordinance,
however,
in
my
opinion,
simply
leaves
too
much
room
to
inadvertently,
create
stormwater
problems
and
I'd
be
glad
to
provide
more
specific
input
or
feedback
to
council
members
and
staff.
If
helpful.
Thank
you
thank.
B
They
were,
it
was
a
letter
of
support
letter
in
support
of
cluster
development,
and
they
stated
that
there
are
benefits
of
clustering
to
include
providing
a
more
diverse
range
of
housing
options
in
a
community,
reducing
infrastructure
costs
and
unit
development,
while
respecting
the
land
and
resources.
Those
are
all
the
comments
that
we
received.
J
Sir,
I'm
a
citizen,
I
put
my
name
on
the
list
to
speak
and
apparently,
for
some
reason,
I've
been
overlooked.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
live
1621
donnie
lane
behind
the
sea,
air
development
that
you
mentioned.
Everybody
seems
to
be
glowing
about
to
see
your
development.
Well,
that's
right!
Behind
my
house,
my
family's
been
on
this
property
for
almost
100
years.
We've
never
had
the
kind
of
flooding
that
has
gone
on
on
our
property
since
the
sea,
air
development
has
been
put
up.
J
J
So
what
we're
asking
you
is
that
you,
you
do
deal
with
the
stormwater
management
problems
of
these
projects
before
you,
you
put
them
up,
and
I
agree
that
if
you
deal
with
this
stuff
now,
while
you're
developing
this
stuff,
you
don't
have
to
come
back
later
and
ask
for
you
know
hundreds
of
thousands
of
putting
new
storm
drains
a
lot.
If
we
knew
that
eugene
king
was
going
to
be
a
flood
area,
we
would
have
did
it
when
we
started
building
it.
J
We
had
built
some
some
areas
so
that
it
wouldn't
blood,
but
now
we
have
to
go
back
and
spend
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
do
that.
We
don't
need
to
do
that
with
these
new
developments.
We
know
that
there's
some
areas
that
are
going
to
flood
and
we
need
to
have
it
addressed.
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
greg.
Payton
the
1621
donnie
lane
james
island.
A
Okay,
I
don't
hear
any
more
public
comments,
so
the
matter
comes
to
council,
council
members,
council,
member
jackson.
L
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
I
support,
but
I
would
like
to
introduce
a
change
to
the
ordinance.
As
a
text
amendment
from
the
floor,
I
tried
to
communicate
my
my
idea
to
each
one
of
you
either
verbally,
I
sent
you
a
sample
of
what
I
would
like
to
insert
into
this
ordinance
as
an
as
an
amendment.
Now
I
would
like
to
read
it
if
that's
okay
and
then
ask
for
a
second.
A
A
L
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
add
it,
and
then
I'd
like
to
ask
for
a
second
and
then
I
would
like
to
state
my
reasons.
If
that's,
if
that's
okay,
so
I'm
I'm
sorry
to
dominate
the
floor
for
a
few
minutes,
let's
go
ahead
and
read
it.
I
appreciate
that.
M
L
This
would
this
would
be
a
new
section,
two
replacing
the
section
two
of
the
of
the
document.
That's
in
front
of
us,
and
basically
it
would
say,
city
council
direct
staff
to
prepare
a
draft
ordinance
establishing
the
parameters
for
conservation
developments
in
sufficient
time
for
consideration
by
city
council
on
or
before
its
regular
meeting
currently
set
for
march.
9
2021.
A
A
All
right
any
discussion
on
well.
L
Sir,
may
I
may
I
just
explain
why
I'm
adding
this
amendment
sure?
Okay,
all
right
great!
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
am
I
I
really
have
you
know
I
I
introduced
this.
It
was
discussed
at
the
community
development
committee
after
our
legal
counsel.
L
Mcqueeney
drafted
this
amendment,
that's
in
our
packet
and
then
I
really
paid
attention
to
you
know
the
the
discussion
at
the
planning
commission,
both
meetings
where,
where
this
was
discussed
as
well
as
I
tried
to
consult
people
that
I
know,
are
following
land
use
in
detail,
especially
as
we're
learning
the
inputs
from
the
from
the
city
plan
consultants.
L
And
so
I
I
really
am
convinced
that
we
have
a
conservation
ordinance
that
the
staff
worked
hard
on
with
members
of
the
community
and
with
our
storm
water
director
and
a
lot
of
the
tangential
staff
that
would
be
involved
in
in
you
know,
maintaining
supporting
any
subdivision
that
we
build
that
we
allow
to
be
built
in
the
city.
L
So
I've
I've
talked
at
length
with
the
conservation
league
coastal
conservation
league,
with
josh
dix
from
ctar,
with
some
of
our
conservation
partners
down
on
john's
island,
with
joshua
robinson
with
dana
beach.
People
that
have
really.
You
know
followed
the
history
of
the
current
cluster
that
we
have
in
front
of
us,
as
well
as
our
are
very
eager
to
see
a
new,
improved,
best
practices,
type
conservation
ordinance
be
initiated
and
enacted
in
the
city.
L
So
I
I
know
that
originally
we
talked
about
waiting
until
after
the
city
plan
was
at
least
presented,
if
not
adopted
before.
We
would
consider
that
the
the
conservation
ordinance
that's
been
drafted,
but
after
all
of
those
conversations
with
people
who
who
really
want
that
kind
of
best
practice
tool
and
and
knowing
that
the
conservation
ordinance
is
probably
95
percent
done.
L
If
it
needs
to
be
reviewed
by
you
know
the
same
audience
of
people
that
have
been
paying
attention
and
then
go
back
to
community
development
and
then
come
to
the
council
for
first
reading,
and
I
think
we
could
give
it
a
very
you
know
peaceful
and
cooperative
first
reading
in
march,
and
then
that
would
would
enact
a
new
conservation
cluster
ordinance.
So
we
wouldn't
have
more
than
a
five-week
gap,
essentially
between
what
we've
already
created
by
sun
setting
this
one
in
october.
L
I
think
I've
now
got
the
support
of
ctar.
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
talk
to
mr
arnold
from
the
builders
homebuilders,
but
I
think
that
they
would
also
agree
that
getting
a
new
ordinance
that's
vastly
improved
and
has
all
of
those
things
that
mr
morgan
put
in
front
of
us
for
why
we
want
a
new
conservation
ordinance.
If
we
can
do
that
in
march,
then
I
think
we've
done
a
really
good
service
to
ourselves
and
the
public.
F
Just
a
question
for
councilwoman
jackson,
the
march
9th
date
does
that
coincide
with
the
approval
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
why
raise
the
question
is
in
listening
to
mr
morgan.
F
L
L
Basically,
I
think
the
conservation
ordinance
is
going
to
be
the
poster
child
of
a
lot
of
the
zoning
uses
that
we're
going
to
have
to
consider
after
we
see
the
city
plan,
so
originally
the
the
date
that
I
had
on
this
that
I,
as
I
was
circulating
it
to
each
of
you,
was
the
end
of
may
as
the
as
the
date
that
we
would
most
definitely
commit
to
considering
a
conservation
ordinance.
L
But
again
after
talking
to
the
you
know
the
most
involved,
members
of
our
our
industry,
our
development
industry
and
and
the
conservation
league
itself,
it
seemed
like
the
earlier.
We
could
put
this
forward
the
better
we
can
always
you
know,
make
changes.
It'll
have
to
go
through
the
second
reading,
so
if
and
by
then
we'll
have
seen
the
comp
plan,
we
might
not
have
adopted
it,
but
we
will.
We
will
certainly
have
seen
it.
You
know
in
april,
so
by
the
time
it's
adopted,
we'll
have
the
comp
plan.
F
And
the
reason
this
is
a
follow-up.
The
reason
I'm
asking
is
because,
if
I'm
hearing
correctly
from
staff,
okay,
that
they
would
like
to
see
the
complaint
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
christopher,
they
would
like
to
see
the
comp
plan
approved
prior
to
did.
I
hear
you
correctly,
christopher.
C
Yes,
sir,
I
appreciate
you
councilmember
jackson
for
all
your
hard
work
on
this.
I
just
I'm
not
yet
seeing
the
benefit
of
approving
this
tonight.
When
we
haven't
seen
that
conservation
ordinance,
I
haven't
seen
it
at
all.
Now
it
may
be
95
completed,
but
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
Until
I
see
it
in
front
of
me,
it's
zero
percent
completed.
I
mean
to
for
us
to
to
vote
tonight
on
something
that
we
haven't
even
seen
yet
scares
me
and
it's
not
something
that
I'm
really
willing
to
do.
So.
K
All
right,
thank
you,
christopher!
Should
this
be
adopted
or
whenever
it's
adopted
will
sr01
continue
to
have
clustering
by
right.
D
A
K
It
hadn't
been
passed
yet
correct,
yeah,
but
I'm
talking,
I
know
how
existing
star
one
zoning.
So
if
I
got
a
piece
of
property
zone
sr1
last
week,
I
have
the
right
to
cluster
and,
quite
frankly,
not
with
a
lot
of
public
input
and
that's
one
part
about
the
existing
sr1
aspect,
the
clustering
that
certainly
didn't
like.
We
all
may
remember.
We
were
on
council
at
the
time
the
ashley
hall
plantation
rule
developed.
K
A
gentleman
was
trying
to
annex
a
piece
of
property
and
try
to
get
sro1
neighborhood
wasn't
against
the
development.
They
were
against
66
67
houses
being
put
on
the
parcel
it
was
approved,
for
I
don't
know,
45
46
in
the
county
when
the
applicant
found
out
that
he
couldn't
get
sr1
in
the
city
and
obviously
he
remained
in
the
city
in
the
county,
which
was
fine
because
he
did
the
40
some
odd
houses,
and
it
said
I
ride
my
bike
through
the
in
the
morning.
K
It's
a
very
don't,
be
a
very
nice
developer.
That's
what
I'm
asking
about
chris!
Can
a
person
from
an
annex
annexation
standpoint,
bring
apostle
into
the
city
and
get
the
sr1.
K
K
A
K
Okay,
all
right
so
that
took
care
of
that
all
right,
and
how
do
we
include
what
mr
robinson
said
from
obviously
having
experience
developing
some
and
stuff?
I
think
we
ought
to
maybe
take
into
account
what
he
said.
Doing
public
comment
from
a
drainage
perspective
with
this
new
ordinance
moving
forward.
K
So
how
do
we,
I
guess,
move
this
forward
and
incorporate
at
least
some
of
what
he
said
at
least
get
out
drainage
people
to
get
in
comp
communication
with
him
because
obviously
draining
is
a
drainage,
is
a
big
aspect
to
this
element.
A
I'm
sure
he'd
be
happy
to
comment
on
our
proposed
conservation
coordinates
when
we
put
it
out
there,
which,
if
we
approve
this
tonight,
would
be
no
later
than
march.
The
9th
okay.
K
And
last
question,
mr
morgan,
I
just
want
to
make
clarification.
Our
planning
commission
that
8-0
vote
was
to
do
what
not
to
deny
what
they.
D
Recommended
that
the
sunset
not
be
placed
on
the
co,
the
cluster
ordinance-
and
I
think
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
them
exactly,
but
I
think
it
was
because
they
felt
like
there
should
be
something
to
replace
it
before
it
went
away,
and
you
know
so.
I
think
they
were
in
favor
of
seeing
a
conservation
ordinance
adopted
simultaneously
with
a
cluster
ordinance
being
sunsetted.
K
And
I
kind
of
think
that's
what
councilman
griffin
was
getting
to.
I
mean
if
we
got
something
90
completed,
I
mean
really.
All
12
of
us
should
should
be
looking
at
that
and
not
singularly
or
a
couple
at
a
time.
So
where
is
that
90
draft?
Well,
we.
D
Have
it
in
our
office,
we
have
reviewed
it
with
a
number
of
folks.
We,
it
had
extensive
involvement
from
our
stormwater
folks
to
be
drafted,
and
we
think
it
deals
with
a
lot
of
the
things
that
mr
robinson
was
talking
about.
In
fact,
I
want
to
say
he
was
in
one
of
the
drafting
sessions
on
it
or
review
sessions.
D
The
realtors
have
also
taken
a
look
at
it
as
well,
but
we
were
holding
on
it
because
we
thought
that
we
needed
to
have
the
recommendations
of
the
comprehensive
plan
ready
and
done
and
adopted
before
we
brought
forth
such
an
ordinance.
A
N
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
and
council
member
waring.
I
actually
was
there
and
did
participate
in
the
planning
commission
debate
about
all
this
and
mr
morgan.
I
know
you,
were
there
too?
I,
I
think,
procedurally
we're
sort
of
getting
ahead
of
ourselves
on
this.
I'm
not
inclined
to
vote
for
getting
rid
of
something
before
we've
even
seen.
What's
going
to
come
in
its
place,
the
most
unfortunate
part
about
the
ordinance
that
we're
discussing
tonight,
which
we're
discussing
about
sun
setting
is
its
name.
I
mean
the
cluster
ordinance
just
sounds
bad.
K
N
Allows
for
some
things
to
be
done
on
properties
that
otherwise
wouldn't
be
done,
and
that
one
slide
that
mr
morgan
put
up
and
mr
morgan,
if
you
would
put
it
up
again
for
me,
please
right
now.
I
think
it's
very
instructive
and
I'd
like
to
just
use
it
as
a
tool
for
the
remainder
of
my
comments
with
council
to
suggest
that
there's
a
better
way
forward
here.
I'm
sure
that
in
a
second,
mr
morgan
will
get
the
slide
out.
N
No
that
one
you
would
have
thought
if
you
were
listening
for
the
first
time
and
had
never
come
across
this
debate.
You'd
have
thought
that
our
planning
team
was
in
front
of
the
planning
commission
arguing
in
favor
of
the
cluster
ordinance
as
opposed
to
what
you
see
there
with
conventional
subdivision
design.
N
The
planning
commission's
reason
for
not
wanting
to
sunset.
This
is
because
it
was
taking
a
lot
on
faith
without
having
seen
as
we've
all
pointed
out
tonight,
what
the
next
ordinance
might
look
like
if
we
sunset
this
and
for
any
reason
we
go
beyond
march
april
may,
and
we
listen
to
our
planning
team
who
say
they
want
to
wait
until
our
comprehensive
plan
is
in
place
to
replace
and
make
some
improvements
on
this.
What
you're
going
to
see
is
to
the
left
and
nothing
to
the
right
because
it
won't
be
available.
N
The
other
thing
is
that
I
think
it's
important
to
know
just
from
a
procedural
standpoint,
we've
already
given
this
first
reading
and
although
this
isn't
necessarily
an
ordinance
that
allows
development
by
right.
If
you
meet
certain
requirements,
if
you
are
in
sr1
sr7
rural
rr1
and
you
have
the
lot
size
requirements,
you
can
come
in
and
you
can
build
this,
so
we
have
essentially,
by
giving
first
reading,
taken
away
a
right.
The
property
owners
have
without
giving
them
any
notice
at
all.
N
It
came
through
the
this
ordinance
came
through
community
development,
where
there
was
no
public
comment
got
to
the
planning
commission.
We
just
voted
on
it
out
of
a
committee
report,
so
I
think
just
procedurally.
We
need
to
be
careful
about
that
when
we
talk
about
land
use
and
land
development-
and
you
know
noticing
people
letting
people
know
what
we're
doing.
N
I
think
it's
admirable
and
I
applaud
the
fact
that
we
want
to
advance
and
do
quickly
a
new
ordinance
to
put
in
place
of
this,
but
until
we
do
that,
I
would
suggest
humbly
to
our
council
that
we
separate
these
two
issues.
We
leave
the
ordinance
in
place.
Perhaps
we
vote
on
a
name
change
for
it
tonight
and,
let's
hear
from
mr
morgan
and
his
team,
get
it
in
place,
get
it
through
the
planning
commission
do
it
in
conjunction
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
move
forward.
N
I
just
think
we're
we're
mixing
and
matching
two
things
here:
the
procedurally
we
might
have
made
a
mistake
or
two
on,
and
we,
I
think,
are
going
to
make
an
error
if
we
just
simply
abandon
the
cluster
ordinance
now,
in
hopes
of
something
a
little
bit
better
down
the
road.
I
would
observe-
and
mr
robinson
has
been
intimately
involved
with
this-
I
went
back
and
looked
the
the
the
cluster
ordinance
is
generally
consistent
with
the
recommendations
of
the
dutch
through
their
reporting.
N
So
I
would
humbly
ask
that
we
wait
and
see
what
we've
got
before
we
start
voting
to
get
rid
of
what
what
is
out
there
right
now,
which
is
pretty
darn
good.
It's
not
perfect,
but
it's
good
and
the
planning
commission
recognized
that
I
mean
I
think,
I'm
fairly
reporting
back
to
my
colleagues
that
the
planning
commission
recognized
that
we
can
do
better.
But
just
getting
rid
of
this
is
not
that.
So
with
that,
I'm
not
going
to
vote
for
this
amendment
tonight,
I'm
not
going
to
vote
give
this
second
reading.
N
I
am
going
to
encourage
mr
morgan
to
do
it
right.
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
put
a
time
frame
on
him
of
march
when
he
and
his
staff
have
told
us,
in
conjunction
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
Perhaps
may
is
a
good
time
frame.
The
world
is
not
going
to
end.
If
we
don't
sunset
this
cluster
ordinance.
What
we
might
get
is
some
conventional
subdivisions
permitted
that
we
otherwise
wouldn't
want
to
have
without
any
water
management
consistent
with
our
comprehensive
plan.
N
That's
coming
at
us,
so
I've
spoken
way
longer
than
I
want
to
on
this,
but
I
would
encourage
all
of
you
to
really
think
hard
about
this
before
we
sunset
something
without
any
alternative
and
we
haven't
really
gone
through
a
good
notice
process
to
those
landowners
who
really
by
right,
can
go
in
and
do
this.
So.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
think
I've.
O
A
P
I
just
christopher,
you
could
pull
up
that
picture
again.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
don't
want,
and
I
don't
customer
receives,
wouldn't
do
it,
but
I
don't
want
anybody
to
be
misled.
The
so
the
one
the
one
with
the
conventional
subdivision
design.
That's
not
I
mean
all
that's
not
paved.
Is
it
christopher
yeah?
I
mean
there's
gonna
be
minimum
lot
area.
P
I
mean
not
minimum
lot
area
lot
coverage
or
maximum
lot
coverage
requirements,
so
I
mean
correct
you're
really
more
moving
this
this
the
open
space
from
within
the
lots
to
a
community
open
space,
correct,
okay.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
because
it
I
mean
it
looks
like
you
got
a
all
payment
in
one
and
then
you
know
jungle,
area
and
other.
Q
Q
A
I
get
it
yeah
council,
member
jackson
briefly,
because
I
saw
your
hand
up
for
a
while
and
then
councilmember
shade.
O
Well,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
all
very
clear
about
this.
Procedurally
we've
given
first
reading
to
this
ordinance
and
the
effect
of
this
first
reading
has
frozen
folks
from
proceeding
with
their
plans
if
they
own
a
tract
of
land
and
they
want
to
develop
and,
in
the
meantime,
make
sure
I
got
this
right.
O
We
have
a
conservation
ordinances
in
the
works
which
is
going
to
improve
the
shortfalls
of
this
cluster
ordinance
and
if
we
wait
until
we
adopt
the
conservation
ordinance,
that's
going
to
improve
the
shortfalls
of
this
cluster,
but
then
the
cluster
will
die
in
allowing
people
to
proceed
with
developing
the
land
that
they
have
am.
I
am
I
stating
that
all
accurately.
A
O
E
O
A
K
O
There's
a
follow-up
question
christopher.
How
does
and
we
talked
about
the
dutch
dialogues
and
and
those
issues
dealing
with
stormwater,
I'm
presuming
that,
whatever
we
consider
with
the
conservation
ordinance
that
is
going
to
be
consistent
with
plan
west
ashley
and
consistent
with
the
new
stormwater
manual.
D
Yes,
sir,
yes,
sir,
now
the
storm
water
folks,
as
I
said,
worked
with
us
extensively
on
developing
the
new
conservation
ordinance,
and
you
know
just
in
general,
our
new
stormwater
standards
are
much
broader
and
they
look
at
a
broader
area
than
what
we've
had
when
we
developed
the
original
cluster
ordinance.
So
on
all
fronts,
the
stormwater
is
definitely
going
to
be
better
all
right.
R
Thank
you
mayor,
I'm
good
council
member
shade
and
and
seeking
help
clear
up
some
of
the
muddiness.
For
me.
I
got
it
now:
okay,
councilmember.
S
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
first
I
want
to
send
kudos
out
to
my
colleague
on
james
island
council,
member
jackson,
for
you
know,
you
know
having
the
desire
to
bring
something
forward
that
that's
intended
to
to
improve
situations
that
we're
dealing
with
in
the
outer
boroughs
as
she
puts
it
regarding
over
development
and
and
flooding.
But
I've
got
a
unique
perspective
on
this.
S
I
represented
the
developer
of
ashley
hall
plantation,
not
when
they
were
making
a
run
at
developing
in
the
city,
but
once
they
went
over
to
try
to
develop
in
the
county
and
I'm
and
I'm
telling
you-
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
an
awesome
development
settlement
at
ashley
hall
plantation,
but
it
would
have
been
better
had
it
proceeded
under
the
cluster
development
in
the
city
of
charleston,
I
mean
you
know
there
would
have
been
large
swaths
of
that
property
that
would
have
been
protected
that
wouldn't
have
been
developed.
That
would
have
remained
natural.
S
Clustering
is
a
tool
just
like
any
other
tool.
They
can
have
great
success
in
some
places
and
they
can
have
adverse
impacts
elsewhere.
S
You
know
the
cluster,
that's
that's
world
renowned,
or
at
least
renowned
in
the
city
of
charleston,
is
the
central
park
cluster
that
everybody
on
james
island
has
heard
about,
and
you
know
I
mean
what
I
keep
going
back
to
is
the
fact
that
had
that
property
in
central
on
central
park
been
developed
according
to
traditional
single-family,
you
know
zoning
the
base
zoning,
the
non-cluster
approach,
it
still
would
have
exacerbated
flooding
or
it
still
would
have
posed
all
these
impacts
of
flooding
and
traffic,
and
things
like
that.
S
What
what
properties
in
the
city
of
charleston
are
really
appropriate
for
development,
given
everything
we
know
now,
given
some
of
the
infrastructure
challenges
we
have
from
a
stormwater
and
traffic
and
transportation
standpoint,
because
in
the
abstract,
clustering
or
conservation
or
whatever.
S
However,
you
want
to
frame
it,
and
I
agree
with
council
member
seekings
there's
a
semantic
challenge
here
above
above
all,
that's
really
what
I
hope
we
can
start
looking
looking
towards
when
we,
when
we,
you
know
finalize
the
comp
plan
process
and
and
things
of
that
nature,
so
I
mean
I
I'm
just
concerned
that
you
know
if
we
get.
If
we
do
away
with
the
cluster
approach,
we
you
know
open
the
door
to
the
development.
S
We
don't
want
to
see
the
more
traditional
type
of
you
know,
suburban
type
layouts
that
that
are
problematic.
But
but
there's
no
question
that
this
is
touching
on
a
very
important
issue
that
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with.
You
know
for
many
months
and
years
to
come,
because
you
know
we
have.
We
know
we're
growing,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
stop
that.
S
We
have
to
decide
where
we
want
the
growth
to
be,
and
it's
it's
not
appropriate
in
all
places,
and
we
have
to
come
up
with
the
mechanisms
to
deal
with
that,
but
I
I
I
don't
know
I'm
torn
on
this
one,
because
I
know
this
is
coming
from
the
best
set
of
motivations
and
best
intentions.
I
just
think:
let's
get
that
new
and
improved
ordinance
moving
forward
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
think
that
that
would
be
beneficial
to
everybody.
A
All
right,
councilmember.
F
A
F
Couple
of
questions,
because
this
is
an
issue
that
we
all
on
the
island
have
been
contending
with
for
years.
F
If
you,
if
you
listen
to
the
comments
from
the
folks
on
james
island,
who
did
clearly
clearly
can
say
that
there
is
a
cause
and
effect
if
you
take,
let's
take
fleming
cluster,
for
instance,
a
cluster
that
was
developed
right
adjacent
to
an
old
traditional
neighborhood
before
the
cluster
was
even
developed.
F
The
neighbors
were
up
in
arms
are
letting
folks
know
that
it's
going
to
result
in
increased
flooding
and
water
to
their
neighborhood.
What
happened
exactly
what
they
predicted,
however?
F
What
is
different
is
the
new
storm
water
manual,
because,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
even
though
the
central
park
cluster
was
underway,
when
the
storm
water
manual
came
into
effect,
it
gave
our
storm
water
department
more
authority
to
require
more
regardless
of
when
it
was
approved
and
correctly.
If
I'm
wrong,
because
I
think
that
those
storm
water
manual
provisions,
many
of
them,
did
apply
to
the
central
park
cluster.
F
We
took
it
didn't
what
we
showed
took
central
park
cluster
through
an
unbelievable
gyration,
to
improve
the
drainage
on
that
site,
including
expanding
the
retention
tanks,
a
number
of
things
that
we
did
that
initially
was
not
a
part
of
the
whole
trc
process.
F
F
What
I'm
asked
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is:
okay,
if
someone
comes
in
now,
if
we
change
things
back
and
and
and
remove
the
sunset,
the
new
stormwater
manual
provisions
would
be
applicable.
Am
I
correct
to
a
cluster
another
cluster?
Okay,
so
do
do
we
know
yet?
Okay,
whether
or
not
the
new
stormwater
manual
provisions
will
make
a
significant
change
in
cluster
development,
I'm
not
in
conservation.
Yet
because
I
I
agree
with
councilman
seeking
it's
call
it
what
you
want.
F
Okay,
it's
still
the
same
okay
with
with
with
much
stronger
provisions,
okay,
much
stronger
requirements
in
terms
of
minimum
acreage.
In
order
to
qualify,
I
mean
there
are
a
number
of
differences,
but
it's
still
a
cluster.
So,
where
I'm
torn
is,
are
we
to
judge
the
existing
cluster
ordinance
with
the
old
lenses?
F
F
So
that's
where
I'm
torn
because
carol-
and
I
okay
are
the
ones
that
get
the
big
big
problems
with
our
constituents
on
the
island
with
respect
to
cluster.
So
I'm
gonna
have
to
be
able.
If
we
do
something
tonight,
okay
and
support
the
planning
commission,
then
it's
going
to
be
up
to
ross
carol
and
I
to
convince
the
folks
on
james
island
that
it's
going
to
be
different
and
I'm
not
sure
quite
how
we
do
that,
even
though
we
know
that
the
applicability
of
the
new
storm
and
water
provisions
will
make
it
different.
F
F
F
So
we're
going
to
have
to
be
able
to
convince
our
constituents
that
we,
if
we
do
make
this
change
tonight,
that
this
change
tonight
will
be
with
much
stronger,
much
stronger
storm
water
manual
requirements
and
therefore
it
will
address,
if
not
eliminate
the
problems
that
they
had
with
clusters.
In
the
past.
A
Thank
you,
sir,
sounds
like
a
conundrum
councilman.
T
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
I
guess
I
want
to
ask
christopher
morgan
again
about
the
density
side
of
this
with
the
clustering,
because
I
know
when
we
went
back
to
actually
hall
plantation
before
I
was
on
city
council
that,
because
of
the
clustering,
they
were
able
to
put
more
homes
there
than
they
would,
if,
if
they
did
not
have
the
clustering
and
that's
a.
T
Putting
more
cars
on
the
roads
in
high
traffic
areas
is
a
big
concern
in
in
my
district,
so
I
mean
is,
is
that
true?
I
mean
I
know
that
with
ashley
hall
plantation
with
that
new
subdivision,
they
were
able
to
put
more
homes,
and
that
was
a
big
op.
There
was
big
opposition
from
people
that
there
was
going
to
be
more
cars
on
the
road,
more
traffic
on
those
roads.
D
Well,
it's
essentially,
the
current
cluster
ordinance
is
essentially
the
same
density.
You
just
concentrate
it
on
smaller
areas
of
the
property
and
that's
how,
as
mr
appel
said,
the
ashley
hall
plantation
plan
when
it
was
going
to
come
in
the
city
had
a
lot
more
green
space.
It
had.
I
think
they
ended
up
with
like
six
or
eight
more
units
by
virtue
of
staying
in
the
county,
something
like
that,
but
they
lost
that
green
space.
So
as
a
planner,
I
lament
greatly
the
loss
of
that
green
space.
T
D
A
But
if
it
had
come
into
the
city,
the
density
opportunity
was
the
same
correct.
D
A
K
No,
no,
mr
man,
we're
gonna
have
to
have
the
beat
on
this
one
I
mean
not
tonight,
but
outside
the
meeting
it
was
in
the
60s
that
he
could
put
on
ashley
hall
plantation.
It
was
not,
I
think,
how
many
units
does
he
have
now
46,
it
was
not.
Eight
more
units
would
have
been
56..
It
definitely
was
in
the
60s
that
he
had
that
he
could
put
in.
So
it
was
a.
It
was
a
it
was
it
wasn't
that
people
were
against
clustering?
K
It
was
the
number
the
difference
in
the
number
of
units
he
would
have
been
allowed
to
build
on
the
sr01
in
the
city
versus
staying
in
the
county
on
the
existing
zoning
that
he
had,
which
was
in
the
in
the
40s,
which
the
county
eventually
approved,
and
the
neighborhood
didn't
have
any
trouble
with
being
in
the
floyds.
It
was
a.
It
was
more
than
six
or
eight
units.
A
All
right
councilman,
mr
mcqueen,
I.
P
Just
I
think
the
only
difference
in
density
accessory
dwelling
units
and
cluster
developments
don't
count.
So
you
have
our
lowest
density.
Residential
areas
or
sub
can
be
clustered
so
conservation,
which
is
one
and
a
half
acre
minimum
lot
size
sr,
which
is
4.8
units
dwelling
units
per
acre,
sr7
or
rr1,
I
think,
is
3.5
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
sr7
is
one
dwelling
unit
per
acre.
So
all
those,
if
you
have
a
lot
base
zoned
any
of
those
you
can
and
it's
at
least
five
acres.
P
L
Thank
you.
I
I
really
here
appreciate
hearing
from
each
one
of
you.
I
I
know
that
this
is
you
know
a
moving
target
and
a
very
sort
of
you
know
dense
subject,
no
pun
intended.
I
I
think
that
you
know
there
are
answers
to
some
of
the
questions
in
terms
of
the
protection
qualities.
L
The
reason
that
you
know
the
city
has
a
conservation
ordinance
that
is
called
cluster
right
now,
but
but
part
of
the
reason
for
that
that
tool
is
to
take
a
piece
of
property
and
try
to
preserve
the
most
natural
of
its
features
or
the
places
where
you
wouldn't
you,
wouldn't
you
know
you
would
be
putting
building
that
would
put
more
of
the
neighborhood
properties
at
risk
or,
however,
it
would
turn
out.
L
You
know,
on
a
location
by
location
basis,
so
that
the
theory
of
of
clustering
for
conservation
purposes
is,
is
right
on
you
know
track,
especially
in
a
in
an
area
like
ours,
where
you
know
the
water
does
come
up
through
the
ground
and
and
we
have
to
worry
about
tidal,
creeks
and
rain
bombs,
and
all
of
that
so
there's
no
question
about
that.
I
think
what
what
is
happening
now,
the
phenomena
that
is
happening
in
terms
of
the
type
of
developments
that
we're
seeing
approach.
L
Our
permission
you
know,
process
to
beat
clusters
under
the
current
ordinance
are
locations
that
probably
wouldn't
have
been
the
first
choice
of
developers
when
they
were
first
looking
at
annexing
land
and
doing
subdivisions
and
even
doing
cluster
development.
You
know
10
years
ago.
L
We
all
know
that
you
know
land
has
become
scarce
and,
and
the
only
reason
it's
not
being
built
on
is
because
it's
got
problems.
So
clusters
are
now
the
opportunity
for
land
that
has
problems
that
if
you
had
a
buy
right,
subdivision
or
a
you
know
regular
subdivision
as
you're
calling
it
even
if
they
had
density.
That
is
four
units,
an
acre
because
of
the
problems
that
a
piece
of
property
would
have
they
wouldn't
get.
You
know
four
units
for
every
acre,
so
let's
say
we
have
a
10
acre
piece
of
property.
L
It's
got
a
lot
of
problems
with
topography
and
land
and
draining
and
not
having
clear,
outfall
access
and-
and
you
know,
potentially
damaging
its
neighbors,
which
we
don't
allow
under
our
stormwater
regulations.
L
So
maybe
they
would
have
40
units
in
theory
on
paper,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
once
they
laid
it
out
and
tried
to
get
storm
water
permitting
and
put
the
roads
in
and
put
the
setbacks
in.
It
could
be
a
lot
less
and
I
think
that's
where
clustering
is
now
becoming
a
tool
of
convenience
and
we
don't
have
the
protections
and
we
don't
have
the
goals
built
in
to
the
current
cluster.
L
L
L
That's
too
small
to
put
this
kind
of
development
in
successfully
without
potentially
causing
the
problems
that
you
heard
from
some
of
the
residents
of
lower
james
island
this
evening,
and
we
we
would
have
a
month.
We
would
have
a
month
to
circulate
the
ordinance
that
is
currently,
I
would
say,
90
95
percent
done.
It
has
been
vetted
by
a
lot
of
people.
L
I
thought
it
went
to
the
cd
committee,
but
if
it
didn't
it
will
be
there
in
february
and
then
it
would
come
to
the
council
for
first
reading
and
we
could
give
it
first
reading
and
it
would
be
enacted,
and
then
we
can,
you
know,
take
advantage
of
the
comp
plan
input
and
make
it
you
know
the
absolute
best
it
can
be
at
second
and
third
reading.
So
I've
seen
a
lot
of
ordinances
go
through
that
exact.
L
You
know,
as
we
call
it,
making
the
sausage
process
in
the
in
the
short
time
that
I've
been
watching
city
council
work
on
land
use
issues.
That's
why
I
put
it
forward
to
take
one
that
we
don't
really
we're
no
longer
proud
of
and
an
act,
one
that
we
know
is
going
to
be
a
best
practice
model
that
you
know
will
be
showing
the
county
and
and
all
of
our
neighbors,
because
we're
going
to
have
all
of
the
best
in
there,
including
housing,
affordability.
L
So,
right
now
we
can
do
adus
with
this
current
cluster
by
right,
doubling
the
the
unit
count
and-
and
we
can't
you
know,
we
can't
prevent
that
if
they
can
figure
out
a
way
to
park
adus,
they
can
have
them
if
they
get
their
cluster
concept
approval.
So
that's
my
argument.
I
know
that
you
know
you
all
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
not
wanting
to
take
away.
One
thing
until
you
have
another
one
firmly
in
place,
I
say
six
weeks
is:
is
pretty
much
firmly
in
place.
L
It's
a
month
of
looking
at
all
of
the
all
of
the
ingredients
of
the
conservation
ordinance,
sending
it
to
community
development
for
their
review
and
recommendation
coming
back
to
council
on
march
9th
and
giving
it
first
reading
and
then,
if
there
are
things
that
we
want
to
add
or
change,
we
can
do
that
during
the
month
of
march
and
april
before
it
comes
back
for
second
and
final
reading.
That's
my
argument.
L
A
U
A
L
It
will
certainly
be
a
lot
better
than
than
the
ones
that
you
know
dictated
the
central
park.
Cluster
stormwater
design,
no
question
but
they're,
but
they
they
they
don't
have
the
same
low
impact
development
and
all
of
the
you
know,
environmental
protections.
The
stormwater
manual
uses
water
to
do
that.
It
encourages
green
infrastructure
as
a
as
a
water.
L
O
A
What
we
have
on
the
floor
is
an
ordinance
that
that
put
a
sunset
or
ended
the
cluster
provision
of
our
sr1
zoning,
so
it's
now
been
amended
to
ensure
that
we
promptly
get
a
proposal
before
us
for
a
conservation
ordinance
that
would
replace
it.
So
if
you
vote
yes,
that
means
no
clusters
and
we're
getting
the
conservation
ordinance
presented
soon.
If
you
vote
no,
that
means
you
want
to
continue
allowing
folks
to
be
able
to
apply
under
the
cluster
provision,
but
we're
I'll
tell
you
this
folks
in
2020
hindsight.
A
I
wish
that
we
had
dovetailed
the
conservation
with
the
end
of
the
cluster
okay.
We
wanted
to
wait
till
the
comprehensive
plan,
regardless
of
how
this
vote
comes
down
right.
Now,
I'm
going
to
instruct
staff
to
dust
that
baby
off
the
shelf
and
bring
it
to
us
as
quickly
as
we
can.
I
think
we
know
enough
about
the
comments
that
have
been
made
to
the
comprehensive
plan
to
to
reasonably
proceed
with
the
conservation
ordinance.
A
So
I
just
for
the
record,
I'm
going
to
ask
staff
to
do
that
regardless
so,
but
the
motions
on
the
floor
if
you
vote
yes,
that
means
no
clusters
and
we
get
a
conservation
soon
if
you
vote
no.
That
means
you
want
to
continue
the
ability
to
have
a
cluster.
W
K
X
C
N
A
Thank
you
so
sorry
that
took
a
little
while
next
up
is
number
six
back
to
you,
mr.
X
A
Any
opposed
did
anybody
change,
it's
still,
seven
to
six.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
that
correction,
madam
clerk,
back
to
you,
mr
morgan,.
D
D
I'll
get
to
the
I'm
gonna
have
to
stop
this
and
try
it
try
it
again.
Let's
see,
I
got
this
thing
out
of
here
in
the
wrong.
Here
we
go
there.
We
go
okay,
oops,
okay,.
D
A
D
Okay,
333
fleming
road:
this
is
six
or
eight.
I'm
sorry,
it's
eight
units
in
a
existing
development
that
were
never
annexed
into
the
city
to
bring
them
into
the
city.
You
would
need
to
have
something
that
is
comparable
to
the
rest
of
the
development,
which
is
the
dr-1f
again
their
existing
units
and
would
be
brought
in
from
charleston
county
with
dr-1f.
Both
staff
and
planning
commission
recommend
approval.
A
Discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
aye,
the
opposed
the
eyes
haven't.
So
next
is
our
approval
of
city
council
minutes
december
15th
and
january
12th.
A
B
Z
Z
A
federal
judge
has
said
so
that
former
fbi
director
has
said
so.
The
department
of
homeland
security
says
that
that's
true,
and
if
you,
if
you
don't
believe
those
sources,
you
can
just
remember
what
happened
at
the
capitol
in
michigan
or
in
charlottesville
or
how
about
january
6
at
the
u.s
capitol.
I'm
sure
all
everyone
on
council
saw
white
men
storming
the
capitol
many
carrying
confederate
flags.
I'm
sure
you
saw
all
the
photos
of
a
giant
noose
arrested
near
the
capitol.
How
much
more
evidence
do
we
need
to
recognize
what
the
actual
problem
is?
Z
So
I
have
children
and
grandchildren
if
one
of
them
got
sick.
I
don't
want
a
doctor
telling
me:
oh,
they
have
a
disease.
I
want
a
doctor
telling
me
exactly
what
the
disease
is,
so
we
can
fight
it
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
the
city
of
charleston
recognize
exactly
what
the
disease
is,
that
is
hurting
our
community
and
our
state
and
our
country,
because
otherwise,
how
can
we
fight
it?
Now?
It's
not
the
time
to
be
vague.
AA
We
can
hello,
okay,
hello,
I'm
calling
in
regards
to
the
completely
watered
down
garbage
resolution
that
was
passed
in
council
last
council
meeting.
I
find
it
completely
disappointing
that
the
city
of
charleston
still
has
not
condemned
white
supremacists,
neo-nazis
white
nationalists,
but
instead
generalized
it.
The
initial
resolution
drop
that
was
posted
all
the
way
up
to
the
time
of
the
meeting,
had
it
right
the
first
time.
Hence
it's
praises
that
got
before
the
true
resolution
was
released.
AA
AA
AA
AA
Y'all
have
no
problem
calling
out
groups
who
just
want
equality,
but
struggle
to
call
out
groups
like
flags
across
the
south
who
post
pictures
of
hanging
black
shadow
figures
telling
black
people.
They
can
just
go
pick
cotton
and
get
two
black
women
escorted
away
from
the
statue
that
they
consider
theirs
during
a
permanent
event
that
the
city
allows
y'all
put
up
this
resolution,
where's
the
follow-up
and
where's
the
specifications
also
25
000
plus
people
are
still
wanting
harry
to
resign.
Thank
you.
AB
AB
B
AB
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
start
by
saying
that
I
still
stand
by
my
original
statement
at
the
last
city
hall
meeting.
I
do
thank
councilman
mitchell
for
proposing
a
resolution
and
getting
something
out
there.
However,
as
the
elders
said
prior
to
me,
I
do
feel
that
the
version
that
was
released-
one
was
very
sneakily
released.
AB
Many
people
in
the
community
and
you'll
be
hearing
from
many
more
of
them
on
this
call,
I
hope
felt
like
they
were
blindsided,
because
one
resolution
was
posted
on
the
city
website.
However,
another
one
was
presented,
as
many
of
my
colleagues
have
already
said,
the
call
out
for
white
supremacy
groups,
hate
groups,
white
nationalists,
neo-nazis,
it's
extremely
important
to
have
in
the
verge
of
this
resolution.
AB
Explain
to
me
how
the
word
divisive
was
passed
through
as
a
noun
inside
of
this
resolution
through
city
legal,
knowing
that
10
years
from
now
that
terminology
holds
no
weight
in
what
happened
today.
In
the
purpose
of
that
resolution,
I
really
feel
like
the
council
needs
to
go
back
and
look
at
that
resolution.
AB
I
feel
like
this
is
going
to
be
a
legal
nightmare
in
the
future,
and
I
still
stand
by
what
I
said
in
the
beginning
as
well.
We
need
more
to
come
behind
this
resolution
to
give
it
power
and
teeth.
As
you
just
heard,
there
are
groups
that
stand
around
the
city.
You
all
know
this.
You
see
it
holding
confederate
flags.
AB
A
AB
AC
B
AC
Thank
you
good
evening,
mr
mayor
and
member
members
of
council.
My
name
is
aaron
minnigan
representing
the
preservation
society
of
charleston
tonight.
I
would
like
to
speak
briefly
to
the
saint
julian
divine
smokestacks
task
force
reports,
as
well
as
the
proposed
ordinance
to
create
a
special
parking
overlay
zone
along
king
street.
AC
Lastly,
we
would
like
to
thank
council
members,
appel
and
seeking
for
proposing
temporary
zoning
changes
that
will
activate
a
portion
of
king
street
by
removing
minimum
parking
requirements.
Charleston's
small
businesses
have
been
hit
hard
by
the
pandemic,
and
we
support
this
innovative
land
use
policy
as
a
way
to
restore
vibrancy
to
this
important
historic
corridor.
Thank
you.
B
B
AE
AE
I've
read
the
recently
released
rough
draft
of
the
proposed
code
of
conduct
council
members
of
pelham
del
chapo.
I
urge
you
to
make
necessary
changes
to
ensure
the
language
is
clear
and
direct
with
regard
to
violations
of
the
code
and
the
repercussions
of
such
violations.
I'd
also
like
to
call
for
an
addition
to
the
code
in
which
it
can
be
retroactively
applied
to
past
violations
for
those
still
active
on
council
council
member
wearing
an
information.
AE
I
urge
you
all
to
take
notice
that
your
constituents
have
continued
to
speak
out
and
we
will
not
stop
on
the
issue
of
harry
griffin's
abhorrent
behavior
until
it
is
dealt
with
appropriately
best
pay
attention,
we're
giving
you
ideas
upon
which
you
should
act
at
this
point,
there's
36
000
of
us
that
are
giving
you
the
ideas
now
act.
Thank
you.
AF
Yup,
thank
you.
You
all
need
15
seconds
to
stand
up
and
wave
your
arms
or
shall
I
just
go
ahead.
AF
AF
The
city
controls
who
gets
permits
please
commit
to
100
days
and
help
stop
the
spread
of
coven.
Almost
half
a
million
people
are
dead
already
watching
the
deadly
attacks
by
mobs
at
the
capitol
reminds
me
of
an
incident
a
few
months
ago
here
in
charleston
at
the
confederate
defenders
monument
when
a
when
a
grown
man
hit
a
guy
so
hard
that
he
broke
a
flagpole
over
the
young
man's
back
the
area
around
the
defenders.
Monument
is
an
especially
high
traffic
area
where
the
general
public
is
not
easily
separated
from
groups
with
flags.
AF
I
am
requesting
that
you
prohibit
the
use
of
flag
poles
in
and
around
all
areas
of
white
point
gardens
and
the
battery
they're
much
safer
places
for
groups
to
assemble
for
events
when
flagpoles
will
be
used.
Third,
I'm
requesting
the
areas
of
the
battery
in
white
point
gardens
be
designated
a
no
protest
zone.
It's
a
high
traffic
area
with
hundreds
of
people
passing
every
hour
in
cars,
on
bikes
and
on
foot.
The
purpose
of
the
park
is
to
be
a
place
where
everyone
feels
safe
and
welcome
to
explore
and
enjoy
the
area
to
its
fullest.
AF
This
costs
nothing
to
implement,
but
it
also
eliminates
the
cost
of
extra
police
presence
every
week.
Fourth,
stop
issuing
permits
to
the
group
known
as
flags
of
the
south
and
any
of
their
members
representing
the
group
on
july
5th,
one
of
their
members
broke
a
flagpole
over
the
back
of
a
young
counter.
Protester
existing
codes
prohibit
any
conduct
that
causes
injury
and
allows
for
refusal.
AF
B
Y
Hey
good
evening,
thank
you
guys
so
much
for
your
continued
efforts.
I
do
want
to
come
to
you
this
evening
in
regards
to
the
resolution
condemning
any
groups
or
individuals
who
seek
to
divide
our
community
and
incite
hate.
Y
The
removal
of
the
words
white
nationalism,
white
supremacy
and
neo-nazism
is
very
concerning
in
this
resolution,
looking
back
on
it
in
20
years
or
100
years,
no
one
will
know
who
or
what
in
fact
you
were
addressing
the
time
has
come
for
us
to
stop
beating
around
the
bush
and
call
things
as
they
are.
Local
hate
groups
continue
to
be
supported
by
not
only
the
permitting
process
that
has
been
spoken
of
this
evening,
but
also
by
harry
griffin,
a
local,
obviously
fiddle
count
city
council.
Y
Member
excuse
me,
you're
asking
for
social
justice
for
all,
yet
harry
griffin
continues
to
associate
with
people
like
corey
whittenson,
who
was
in
fact
at
the
capitol
on
the
sixth
of
this
month.
In
an
attempt
to
overthrow
our
government,
harry
griffin
continues
to
publicly
praise
these
people
who
invite
the
proud
boys
and
other
local
hate
groups
to
downtown
charleston.
To
quote
unquote.
Take
back
our
city.
Y
You
continue
as
a
city
to
permit
the
frags
flags
across
the
south
that
continue
to
divide
our
city.
There
is
nothing
more
divisive
than
a
confederate
flag,
after
not
one
but
two
arrests
for
assaulting
individuals
over
the
last
seven
months
permits
continue
to
be
issues.
Charleston
is
in
a
unique
position
as
the
home
of
sweet,
tea
and
slavery
to
now
rally
around
something
of
important
equity
and
equality
for
all.
I
beg
you
all
to
take
that
in
consideration.
B
AC
AG
I
guess
I
had
technical
difficulties
earlier
sorry
about
that.
I
wanted
to
speak
tonight
again.
I
I've
you've
heard
this
a
few
times
tonight.
In
regard
to
the
resolution
regarding
white
supremacy,
our
country
has
been
rocked
our
city,
specifically
a
white
supremacist
killed
nine
innocent
lives
in
church,
and
we
are
asking
that
you
know
this
resolution
not
be
watered
down
that
it.
If
we're
going
to
stand
against
racism,
we
have
to
stand
up
completely.
AG
We
can't
just
do
it
halfway
or
part
of
the
way
all
of
the
these
are
all
of
our
people,
we're
all
a
family,
we're
all
human
beings,
and
we
all
deserve
justice.
We
all
deserve
equality,
and
the
fact
that
this
is
being
watered
down
is
still
allowing
these
groups
that
incite
violence
and
hate.
Again,
looking
at
the
group
that
tried
to
take
over
the
capital
on
january
6th
we're
basically
saying
that
that's
okay,
when
we
don't
stand
against
them,
we're
even
hearing
our
president.
AG
B
H
AH
I'm
calling
in
regards
to
the
resolution
condemning
any
groups
and
individuals
who
seek
to
divide
our
community
and
incite
hatred
recently
passed
by
the
city
council.
That
states
quote
city
council,
rejects
and
condemns
all
groups
and
individuals
whose
ideologies
are
based
on
hate,
violence,
divisiveness
and
intolerance.
End
quote,
I
would
like
to
ask:
why
did
the
city
council
choose
to
use
this
wording
instead
of
naming
white
supremacy
as
the
real
problem?
AH
AD
A
AD
Representing
charleston
black
lives
matter,
I
will
say
this
first
things
first,
and
this
is
what
I'm
saying
before
mlk
was
killed
by
white
supremacists
mlk
was
killed
by
white
supremacist.
Martin
luther
king,
dr
martin
luther
king,
was
killed
by
white
supremacists
and
I
won't
need
to
explain
that
point
further,
because
we
all
understand
that,
and
that
does
need
to
be
explained.
However,
let's
bring
it
back
to
today
the
day
the
night.
AD
Before
my
birthday,
I
got
an
urgent
call
around
9,
00
pm,
there's
proud
boys,
speeding
up
and
down
with
their
flags
up
now,
on
the
east
side,
mind
you!
This
is
three
nights
ago.
Three
nights
ago,
I
had
this
whole
speech
planned
out
about
right
right
on
mlk
day.
This
happened
three
nights
ago
and
I
was
so
afraid
from
my
life
that
I
had
to
drive
my
friend's
house,
because
I
don't
feel
safe.
AD
If,
if
you
have
people
with
these
insignias
driving
around
speeding
around
the
east
side,
someplace
that
do
a
lot
of
work
at
and
y'all
won't
even
take
the
time
to
call
them
out
and
call
them
what
they
are
white
supremacist
groups
and
there's
one
part
of
the
transition
that
I'm
going
to
focus
in
on
super
hard,
because
we
were
all
really
disgusted
when
we
saw
this.
It
says
that
we
are
this
the
general
saying
what
it
says
in.
AD
I
think
the
third
paragraph,
but
it
says
that
we've
been
going
through
a
lot
with
the
public
health
and
our
cities
are
struggling
economically
because
of
the
social
unrest
and
the
pandemic
this
year.
To
put
us
in
the
same
category
as
the
global
pandemic,
that's
killed,
300
000
people
and
also
seen
the
worst
levels
of
unemployment.
AD
Since
the
great
depression
is
uncomprehensible,
we
had
weekends
and
about
a
month
or
two
of
consistent
protests,
peaceful
protests
that
made
actual
things
happen,
and
the
only
thing
I'll
also
say
about
this-
and
this
is
my
last
thing,
while
I
close
out,
is
that
don't
talk
about
about
economic
empowerment?
That's
all
we
do
and
we're
here
every
day
doing
that
so
don't
blame
the
economic
stuff
on
us,
because
the
tourism
and
city
of
crime
right
now
the
real
economic
problem
is
the
40
of
you
living,
probably
right
now
in
charleston
and
that's
it
bye.
B
And
then
we
did
receive
some
comments
that
were
submitted.
One
person
said
that
charleston
should
be
more
specific
in
the
hate
group's
resolution
about
the
type
of
hate
groups
that
cause
the
greatest
danger.
B
Poor
people
said
that
the
city
should
adopt
a
no
mask,
no
permit
policy
that
the
battery
in
white
point
gardens
be
designated
as
a
no
protest
zone
and
that
no
flagpoles
be
allowed
at
the
battery.
One
person
said
he
was
at
the
battery
and
noticed
rebel
flags
posted
by
protest
groups
and
many
were
not
wearing
masks
and
the
city
should
address
it.
A
Thank
you
jennifer,
and
thank
you
to
everyone
who
participated
tonight,
appreciate
your
comments.
So
next
we
have
our
participation,
petitions
and
communications
and
an
update
on
our
response
to
covet
19.
tracy
mckee
will
give
us
an
update
on
the
numbers
and
perhaps
shannon
scaff
is
also
going
to
share
some
comments
about
our
vaccination
efforts.
Tracy.
AI
Yes,
sir
good
evening,
members
of
council
tonight
just
a
brief
update
for
you
on
on
our
coveted
response.
AI
AI
Looking
at
kind
of
our
operational
indicators,
we
actually
now
have
two
of
them
in
green,
so
that
that's
also
very
good.
The
positivity
rate
in
charleston
county
is
still
very
high
and
really
has
been
for
for
quite
a
while.
AI
AI
So
hopefully
they
were
stable
for
for
a
little
while,
even
though
we
saw
that
increase,
they
stabilized
and
we've
seen
just
a
small
uptick
here
recently.
So
definitely
hope
that
we
see
see
those
decrease.
As
we
see
these
case,
numbers
continue
to.
E
AI
I
hope
brief
update
on
employees.
Three
we've
had
three
hospitalizations
so
far.
We
actually
currently
have
16
active
cases
since
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
we've
had
229
total
cases
and
just
a
huge
kudos
to
our
safety
and
wellness
team
for
all
the
contact
tracing
that
they
have
done.
Almost
1200
employees
they've
had
to
do
contact
tracing
for
and
so
that
all
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
they've
done
an
amazing
job
and
trying
to
do
everything
that
they
can
to
keep
everyone
safe
vaccination
distribution
has
been
steady.
AI
AI
AI
They've
been
really
jumping
up
and
jumping
up
and
down
and
wave
their
arms
in
front
of
all
the
providers
to
to
see
how
we
can.
We
can
help
to
get
shots
in
people's
arms,
but
the
the
reality
is:
there's
just
not
enough
doses
right
now
to
for
us
to
to
support
those
providers,
but
they
are
working
really
hard
to
to
be
able
to
do
that
when,
when
the
time
is
right
and
of
course,
shannon-
and
I
are
both
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
might
have.
A
Tracy
to
shannon
have
anything
else
to
add
to
your
remarks.
Shannon
we
good.
Q
Evening,
mr
mayor
yeah,
I'm
good.
I
have
nothing
to
add
we're
just
the
incident
management
team
is
doing
a
great
job,
sir
they're
we're
working
on
identification
of
some
some
vaccination
sites
over
the
next
few
months.
Hopefully,
next
council
meeting
I'll
be
able
to
give
you
some
details
on
that
great.
A
Q
A
For
your
work
on
that
shannon
and
his
team
are
really.
A
F
Just
had
one
question:
do
we
have
any
plans
to
provide
vaccines,
24,
7.
Q
Yes,
sir,
we
are
in
discussion,
in
fact,
just
over
the
last
few
days,
we've
met
with
with
musc
and
others
about
a
24
by
seven
long
term,
nine
to
twelve
and
nine
to
twelve
months
sort
of
operation
and
we're
looking
at
a
couple
of
different
locations.
For
that
one
would
be
the
old
dmv
location
at
lockwood.
Q
So
we're
looking
at
that
and
and
a
few
others
there's
some
logistical
concerns
that
we've
got
to
work
through,
basically
with
each
one
of
those
locations
and
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
alluding
to
earlier
we're
going
to
dial
in
on
those
and
hopefully
have
some
things
figured
out
by
this
friday
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
move
on
from
there
and
hopefully
establish
something
in
the
next
few
weeks.
As
tracy
said
earlier,
really
it's
all
about
the
supply.
Q
You
know
we're
not
able
to
meet
the
demand
right
now,
so
things
are
slow
going,
but
as
the
the
supply
increases,
we
want
to
be
ready.
So
that's
that's.
Why
we're
sort
of
at
a
full
court
press
right
now
to
to
nail
the
location
now.
A
Great
any
other
questions
comments
all
right,
so
next
we'll
go
on
to
an
ordinance.
I
think
it's
considered
an
emergency
ordinance
to
eliminate
minimum
off-street
parking
requirements
in
certain
parts
of
our
city.
I
think
we
actually
listed
a
parcel
by
parcel
council
member
appel.
I
think
you
originally
proposed
this.
Do
you
want
to
make
any
opening
comments
or
entertain
a
motion
to
approve.
S
Sure,
mr
mayor
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
appreciate
it
also-
the
shout
out
during
your
state
of
the
city
address
about
this
being
one
of
the
ways
that
we
are
rolling
back
some
regulations
in
order
to
help
stimulate
and
incentivize,
not
just
businesses
on
king
street,
but
also
second
and
third
story,
residential
uses
office
uses
and
things
of
that
nature.
I
think
y'all.
Everyone
on
this
call
has
heard
my
spiel
on
minimum
parking
requirements.
S
I'm
not
gonna,
you
know
belabor
it
too
much,
but
this
is
a.
This
is
a
great
example
of
of
of
government
getting
out
of
the
way
to
help
encourage.
S
You
know
the
sort
of
vibrancy
that
we
all
want
and
that
we
all
share
for
king
street
and
want
to
just
thank
councilman
seeking
councilman
councilwoman
del
chapo
for
their
wonderful
collaboration
on
this
and
also
our
staff,
who
worked
very
you
know,
diligently
to
put
this
package
together
and
all
the
different
business,
and
you
know
other
stakeholders
that
we
consulted
along
the
way.
I
think
this
is
great.
This
is
a
great
first
step.
S
It's
gonna,
be
you
know,
you
know
it's
going
to
proceed
under
an
emergency
basis,
we're
going
to
gather
information
throughout
this
process,
and
the
hope
will
be
that
you
know
we
can
look
to
expand
the
geographical
scope
of
this
as
appropriate
over
time.
But
this
is
a
great
first
step
and
I'm
really
really
excited
and
encouraged
about
this
and
and
would
make
them
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
the
emergency
ordinance
on
eliminating
minimum
parking
requirements
in
the
designated
areas.
Thank
you.
L
I'm
just
curious:
I
think
the
emergency
is
the
first
I've
heard
of
that.
Is
there
some
legal
reason
we
have
to
do
it
like
that
or
do
we
want
to
experiment
all
right?
I'd
just
like
to
understand
why
it's
now
an
emergency.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
so
I
I
don't
know
why
we
would
need
to
go
in
on
that
title.
A
I
think
it
might
be
explained
better
by
someone
else,
but
in
a
nutshell,
we,
mr.
N
Mayor,
I'm
happy
to
I'm
happy
to
explain
it
if
you'd
like
me
to
please
proceed.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
first
off.
Thank
you
council
members
for
considering
this
late
on
a
tuesday
night,
when
we've
had
a
lot
of
other
things
on
our
plate.
This
did
come
from
a
couple
of
different
places.
The
original
conversation
has
been
had
a
long
time
ago,
but
councilmember
pell
brought
up
the
whole
idea
of
parking
minimums,
and
then
we
have
a
group.
N
We
attach
this
to
the
already
existing
ordnance.
Much
like
we
did.
The
outdoor
dining
ordinance
to
be
able
to
do
something
quickly,
and
that
was
the
whole
idea
if
this
passes
tonight.
I
certainly
hope
it
will.
It
will
open
up
a
window
of
time
in
which
the
businesses
along
that
corridor
can,
or
the
building
owners
in
that
corridor
can
seek
some
tenants
in
there
with
some
some
diminished
requirements
and
less
bureaucracy,
because
almost
every
just
so
you
all
know
of
all
the
tms
numbers
that
are
out
there.
N
There's
158
tms
numbers
in
the
corridor
that
we're
going
to
vote
on
tonight.
27
of
those
retail
establishments
and
spaces
were
unoccupied.
When
we
first
started
talking
about
this,
it's
actually
now
down
to
23..
N
There's
been
some
leasing
going
on
in
that
corridor
and
and
the
idea
was
again
to
get
this
thing,
jump
started
quickly
and,
as
you
all
know,
there's
many
businesses
along
there
that
the
parking
requirements
would
be
huge
one
of
the
empty
spaces.
There
are
probably
the
longest
empty
space
in
there.
It's
actually
in
district.
One
is
the
old
king
street
grill.
If
they
were
to
come
back
online
and
get
leased
up,
they
would
need
tens,
20,
30
plus
parking
spaces.
N
So
this
is
the
first
step
of
many
steps
along
the
way
to
think
about
zoning
in
the
core
of
the
city
and
some
of
the
requirements
we
put
on
to
make
it
difficult
to
do
business
and
to
lease
up
spaces
at
an
affordable
rate
because
parking
requirements
rev
up
leasing,
I
mean
rev
up,
leasing
costs.
So
please
don't
focus
on
the
word
emergency,
but
think
of
this
as
a
way,
just
like
the
outdoor
dining
ordinance
to
jumpstart
an
area
that
has
really
been
devastated
by
the
last
year
between
covid
and
the
events
in
may.
N
King
street
is
suffering,
and
this
is
just
one
of
many
tools.
I
think
that
we're
going
to
have
to
employ
to
get
it
jump
started.
There
will
be
plenty
of
conversations
about
expanding
this
up
king
street
and
across
the
city,
eventually,
there's
other
incentives,
I
think
and
initiatives
we
need
to
undertake
through
the
regular
process
of
getting
to
the
neighborhoods
going
through
council
going
through
the
planning
commission.
N
But
this
is
really
a
good
chance
for
us
to
take
a
snapshot
of
it
and
see
if
it
works,
and
I
think
it
will
it's
it's
going
to
be
in
effect,
depending
on
how
long
we
keep
with
our
emergency
ordinances
for
a
couple
three
months
and
we'll
get
some
real
feedback
in
real
time
and
then
be
able
to
come
back
to
the
community
and
and
talk
about
the
effectiveness
of
it.
So
I
really
want
to
thank
staff
for
jumping
in
on
this.
I
see
miss
herring
was
on
there
for
a
second.
N
She
really
took
the
bull
by
the
horns
and
got
this
going.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that.
I
think
we
have
her
support,
but
I'll,
let
her
speak
for
herself,
councilmember,
appel
and
then
councilmember
del
chapo.
I
mean
this.
This
corridor
goes
through
our
districts
and-
and
we
took
this
back
to
the
community-
they
are
in
favor
of
this.
I
think
you
heard
tonight
from
the
preservation
groups.
They
think
this
is
a
really
good
idea
and
again
it's
not
forever.
N
It's
a
start,
it's
the
beginning
of
the
beginning,
and
so
I
would
commend
it
to
you
all.
Please
give
this
a
vote
tonight
and
then,
let's
gather
the
information,
let's
see
what
happens
along
the
way
and
let's
kick
start
really,
probably
the
most
important
economic
corridor
we've
got
not
just
in
the
city
but
in
this
region.
So
I
thank
you
all
in
advance
for
your
vote.
I
thank
my
fellow
council
members
for
working
on
this
and
look
forward
to
seeing
how
this
all
goes
going
forward.
L
V
V
It
requires
a
two-thirds
vote
and
by
law
this
can
only
be
in
existence
for
60
days
unless
it's
extended
at
a
later
point
or
before.
Excuse
me
before
the
60
days
expires,
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
on
the
record
too.
Thank
you
understood.
Thank
you.
F
F
N
It's
effective
during
the
time
that
it
goes
into
effect
tonight
and
then
going
forward,
I
mean
is
essentially
I
guess
retroactive,
but
only
on
vacant
properties.
So
I
mean
it
just
is
an
opportunity
to
get
out
there
and
and
see
if
we
can
give
another
tool
to
people
trying
to
lease
up
vacant
buildings.
F
Okay.
The
second
question
is:
how
many
spaces
are
we
how
many
park
park,
how.
N
Well,
I'm
going
to
let
ms
herring
jump
in,
but
I
do
know
something
about
it,
because
I've
done
this
survey
myself.
It
really
is
hard
to
tell
council
member
because
there's
so
many
different
properties
have
been
vacant,
so
long
and
sort
of
parking
minimums
of
coming
gone
and
the
king
street
grill
is
a
perfect
example.
So
it's
hard
to
tell
the
number
of
spaces
that
otherwise
would
be
required
and
look.
Not
a
single
one
of
them
would
ever
go
provide
them.
They
would
go
through
the
variance
process
and
it
would
just
take
longer.
N
So
almost
all
of
those
properties
on
the
king
street
quarter
are
either
existing
non-conforming
uses
or
have
gone
through
the
variance
process
and
gotten
the
variance
and
do
not
provide
the
parking
that
would
otherwise
be
required
per
thousand
square
foot.
So
this
is
really
procedurally
a
way
to
avoid
just
another
step
along
the
way
to
get
your
business
open,
because
invariably
the
variance
and
variances
have
been
granted
and
if
there's
ever
an
example
of
it,
it's
right
there
between
calhoun
and
george
street,
I
think
it's
367
and
365,
which
is
a
massive
development.
N
F
F
F
However,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
okay.
If
we
do
it,
how
many
more
cars
will
park
on
king
street
will
we
have
a
problem
there,
I'm
just
trying
to
think
through
the
process.
N
A
And
and
council
members
all
in
the
area
where
the
parking
garages
are,
we
got
lots
of.
AB
A
F
Exactly
I
understand,
I
understand
that
that,
because
we
we
had
this
discussion
earlier,
that
there
are
enough
parking
garages,
okay,
that
would
be
able
to
accommodate,
understand
that
and
that's
the
logical
way
to
go,
but
a
lot
of
times.
Things
just
don't
happen
logically,
and
what
I'm
trying
to
just
determine
is
if
we
still
have
the
two-hour
minimum
our
maximum
parking
on
on
king
street
in
that
area.
F
That's
not
going
to
help
businesses
at
all,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out.
Have
we
thought
this
through,
so
that
we
can
make
sure,
because
if
we
start
being
able
to
rent
the
the
upper
spaces
to
offices
our
living
spaces,
that's
going
to
create
the
kind
of
synergy
that
you
want
in
a
downtown
area.
But
but
the
question
that
I'm
having
is
when
we
do
that.
How
many
more-
and
I
guess
this
is
a
transportation
question
for-
for
how
is
that
going
to
affect
things
downtown
just
in
terms
of
parking
in
general,.
A
I'm
going
to
let
miss
herring
address
this
and
then
let's
try
to
move
on
mandy.
AJ
Sure
so,
thank
you.
One
thing
about
our
parking
requirements.
It
does
vary
depending
on
the
use
of
the
of
the
site,
whether
it's
a
restaurant
or
an
office
or
residential.
So
we
have
not
done
that
analysis
to
determine
how
many
you
know.
Parking
spaces
would
be
required
in
this
corridor
that
we're
talking
about
here,
because
it
depends
on
the
use
so
that
that's
a
variable
also
in
talking
to
our
zoning
administrator.
AJ
He
indicated
that
for
a
number
of
these
properties,
they
already
have
a
variance
for
the
property
for
the
parking
that
runs
with
the
property.
So
you
already
have
that
variance
in
place,
but
what
this
does
by
eliminating
this
minimum
parking
requirement
it?
It
takes
a
step
out
of
the
process
for
the
businesses
when
they
are
trying
to
update
a
space
and
get
that
business
license.
Lee
specifically
said
it
helps
to
remove
a
hurdle
that
can
trip
up
businesses
when
they
are
starting
out
in
this
process,
and
it
can
prolong
a
process
unnecessarily.
AJ
So
in
looking
at
our
you
know,
just
a
general
discussion
with
our
zoning
administrator.
We
we
do
not
anticipate
this
having
a
big
impact
with
regards
to
parking
requirements
on
a
zoning
standpoint
standpoint.
There's
also
that
the
parking
study
that
the
city
did
a
couple
years
ago-
and
this
is
one
thing
that
the
parking
study
recommended
as
well
is
you
know,
revisit
your
parking
requirements,
eliminate
minimum
parking
requirements
for
your
central
business
district.
AJ
So
we
know
other
things
are
being
done
as
well,
and
you
know:
there's
there's
the
hot
bus
and-
and
we
do
have
a
concentration
of
city,
garages
and
private
garages
in
this
area,
and
I'm
have
a
map
pulled
up
and
happy
to
share
with
you
with
that.
So
we
think
there's
a
combination
of
things
that
help
make
this
proposal
work
and
again
there
is
that
opportunity
to
revisit
this
in
just
a
few
months
time,
and
if
it's,
if
it's
working
great,
if
it's
not,
we
can
make
some
tweaks.
Okay,.
O
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
see
happen,
because
I
think
this
will
help
answer
some
of
councilmember
gregory's
questions
is,
while
we're
doing
this
on
an
emergency
basis
to
start
the
process
of
making
this
into
a
regular
ordinance.
That
is
not
based
on
an
emergency
basis.
So
I
think
that
the
issues
that
miss
herring
just
brought
up
are
going
to
be
incorporated
for
a
long-term
solution
for
this
business
quarter.
O
We
have
seen
king
street
change
dramatically
from
broad
street
all
the
way
up
past
line
street
in
the
past
several
years,
and
so
this
is
not
just
going
to
impact
the
area
from
calhoun
to
broad,
but
all
the
way
to
line
all
the
way
to
huge
street
for
that
matter.
So
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
do
a
parallel
course
with
this
to
go
ahead
and
start
the
process
of
making
this
not
just
an
emergency
ordinance
but
a
regular
ordinance
and
go
through
the
first
reading.
O
O
I
know
we,
we
debated
this
and
passed
and
increased
the
the
parking
meters
past
a
certain
hour,
but
restaurant
owners
who've
got
the
limited
number
of
restaurants
on
this
area,
complain
about
their
patrons
having
to
run
out
to
feed
the
meter
while
they're
eating
dinner,
and
that
just
that
has
a
negative
impact
on
their
ability
to
do
business
on
this
quarter
as
well.
So
that's
another
area
we
need
to
be
looking
at
is
the
other
parking
requirements.
Besides
the
minimum
parking
for
some
of
these
establishments.
A
Okay,
shade
a
good
idea
about
a
permanent
ordinance
and
I'm
sure
our
department
will
keep
close
track
of
how
many
parking
spaces
are
impacted
by
this
during
the
emergency
time.
I'll
remind
you
that
we
do
not
charge
at
the
meters
now
after
six
o'clock.
So
currently
there's
no
hourly
limit
after
six
o'clock,
so
people
can
have
a
leisurely
dinner
and
not
worry
about
feeding
the
meter
right
now.
Councilmember
wearing.
K
Yeah
I'm
going
to
support
this,
I
mean,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
agree
with
councilman
shead
that
I
understand
getting
it
going
under
the
60-day
emergency
clause,
but
maybe,
within
that
60-day
period
we
can
determine
even
six
months
or
whatever
to
try
experiment
with
this.
I
don't
think
there's
been
a
period
of
60
days
as
long
you
know,
so
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
in
particular
all
that
infrastructure
we
got
around
and
I
hope
they
do
have
a
parking
problem.
K
Then
we
maybe
can
come
back
and
revisit
some
parking
fees
that
will
help
merchants
to
pay
for
patrons
parking,
and
we
can
maybe
provide
some
assistance
with
that.
If
the
group
just
in
fact,
picked
up
pickup,
so
let's
go
with
it,
I'm
ready
to
go.
I'm
ready
to
vote.
A
Okay,
just
trying
to
give
everybody
the
opportunity
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
aye,
suppose
you
guys
have
it
next
up
is-
was
our
addition
of
having
a
brief
report
on
the
smokestacks
task
force.
I
did
invite
chairman
william
applegate
to
to
join
us,
but
I
told
him
I
thought
we'd
be
on
about
six
o'clock,
so
he
might
not
be
on
mr
applegate.
Are
you
on
the
line
all
right?
Well
hearing?
Not.
A
I
will
make
the
brief
report
and-
and
I'm
I'm
sure
many
of
you
might
have
seen
a
little
article
that
ran
in
the
paper
on
this
and
first
let
me
thank
chairman,
applegate
john
macelon,
council
members
del
chapo
and
mitchell,
deborah
anderson,
tonya,
legamble,
edmond
most
and
ken
granada
from
our
staff,
and
I
might
have
left
somebody
out,
but
those
are
basic.
Basically,
the
members
of
the
task
force
regarding
the
smokestacks.
A
At
their
last
meeting,
they
passed
a
motion
to
report
to
council.
One
was
to
unanimously
support
the
preservation
of
the
spokes
tax
and
recommended
that
council
preserve
them.
Two.
The
reports
received
a
date
identify
the
most
pressing
safety
issue
to
be
the
possible
collapse
of
the
inner
liners.
Therefore,
the
task
force
recommends
a
council
authorized
bennett
engineering
to
prepare,
prepare
a
bifurcated
or
two
two
stage
set
of
construction
drawings.
In
fact,
without
counsel
didn't
need
to
do
that.
It
was
a
great
idea.
A
I
asked
edmond
most
to
go
ahead
and
proceed
along
those
lines
and,
and
mr
bennett
is
preparing
a
two-stage
two-phase
set
of
drawings
for
the
smokestacks
phase,
one
of
the
project
would
be
the
immediate
deconstruction
and
demolition
of
the
interior
liners.
The
task
force
recommends
that
the
council
make
that
work,
a
priority
and
fund
that
phase
with
funds
currently
available
from
the
project
budget,
and
we
believe,
based
on
the
estimates
that
were
given
to
the
task
force,
that
our
existing
balance
of
about
750
000
may
cover
phase
one
which
would
make
the
whole
situation
safer.
A
So
they
are
basically
agreeing
to
try
to
raise
funds
to
help
with
phase
two,
which
would
really
be
the
ultimate
preservation
of
the
stacks.
So
council,
member
del
chapo
and
mitchell
were
both
on
the
task
force
along
with
me,
would
either
the
two
of
you
like
to
add
anything
to
that
report.
U
I
think
the
main
thing
is
there's
this
there's
a
confidence
that
the
50
that
would
be
raised
out
in
the
public
can
happen,
and
so
I
think
we
feel
we
feel
confident
in
that,
and
so
that's
why
the
unanimous
decision
to
move
forward
with
the
restoration
of
the
smokestacks
and
some
different
options
have
kind
of
bubbled
up
into
where
that
money
can
and
maybe
ultimately
will
come
from.
U
This
has
just
been
a
really
special
opportunity,
because
groups
have
come
together
to
work
for
something
that
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
they've
ever
all
come
together
under
being
so
passionate
for
a
common
cause,
and
it's
just
really
special
to
see,
and
we
want
to
honor
that
and
respect
that
and
do
everything
that
we
can
in
order
to
make
their
dreams
realized.
U
So
I
think,
there's
more
to
come
and
you
know
as
councilmember
shade
charged
us
with
was
by
this
meeting.
We
would
make
a
decision
and
our
decision
is
for
the
restoration
and
we
believe
we
have
the
means
in
which
to
do
that.
W
Oh
well,
I'm
just
really
going
along
with
the
program,
because
even
if
we
have
the
money
to
do
these,
the
linings
of
the
smokestack
and
my
thing
is
say
you
know
to
wonder:
if
they're
gonna
raise
this
money,
how
long
it's
gonna
take
you
know
and
if
anything
comes
up
before
then
you
know
if
you
know,
if
they're
gonna
have
this
money,
because
I
like
I
explained
to
them-
we
don't
have
it.
You
know
the
city,
don't
have
it.
W
We
we
if
we
have
to
raise
additional
funds
even
to
come
up
with
the
other
800
something
thousand
dollars
whatever
the
case
may
be.
We
have
to
take
it
from
somewhere
somewhere
else
and
that's
what
explained
to
the
group
we'll
have
to
take
us
from
someone
else
and
someone
else
is
going
to.
They
want
to
get
angry
with
because
we're
pulling
funding
from
them
and,
like
I
said
they
keep
talking
about
the
tip,
but
even
with
a
tip.
We
spent
a
whole
lot
of
money
in
the
junior
buying
center.
W
You
know-
and
I
look
at
the
smokestack
and
I'm
going
with
the
community
because
they
want
to
preserve
it,
but
I
just
have
my
reservation
on
the
smokestack,
because
it's
not
serving
servings,
certainly
not
much
purpose
so
far
as
I'm
concerned,
that's
just
me
and
I'm
going
along
with
the,
but
then
because
the
community
came
together
and
they
wanted
to
stay
so
I
tell
them
I'll
fight
hard
to
to
preserve
it
it
to
me,
but
I
just
have
my
reservation
on
a
lot
of
different
things
with
the
smoke
stack
itself
when
getting
this
300
million.
W
Is
this
three
million
dollars
and
that's
the
thing?
Is
that's
a
lot
of
money
and
to
have
something
sitting?
W
You
know
as
icons
sitting
there
when
I
grew
up
right
by
there
and
know
the
what
the
smokestack
was
all
about
and
with
my
parents
back
in
19
in
the
1948
back
in
48
to
50,
explain
to
me
what
the
smoke
stack
was
all
about
you
see.
So
the
history
that
I
have
with
the
smoke
stack
is
different
from
the
history
they're
talking
about
the
smoke
stack
and
you
know.
W
So
I'm
going
over
the
committee,
but
just
making
sure
that
how
long
it's
going
to
take
for
them
to
raise
this
money,
how
long
they're
going
to
have
to
wait
before
this
money
comes
in
and
if
anything
else
is
going
to
transpire
on
the
outside
of
the
smoke
stack.
If
anything
is
going
to
fall
off
it
before
then
before
that
happened
for
the
safetiness
of
the
outside.
Of
it
and
that's,
what's
my
what
I'm
thinking
about
more
seriously
than
anything
else,.
A
Right
well,
I
appreciate
that
both
councilmember
mitchell
and
del
chapo.
So
in
a
nutshell,
the
the
estimate
still
to
pres
to
fully
preserve
them
would
be
about
three
million
dollars
and
based
upon
the
charge
of
council.
A
We
have
about
seven
or
eight
hundred
in
our
project
budget
still,
so
we
would
have
to
come
up
with
another,
seven,
seven
or
eight
hundred
thousand
to
add
just
to
get
to
our
one
and
a
half
commitment,
but
here's
the
thing
about
the
deconstruction
of
the
inner
liner.
Even
if
you
were
to
demolish
the
smokestacks.
A
The
first
thing
that
you
got
to
do
is
take
down
the
inner
lining
so
that
that,
as
we
went
through
all
this,
it
just
totally
made
sense
to
try
to
move
forward
and
get
that
inner
lining
down
and
makes
them
safer.
Although
we'd
still
have
to
keep
likely
our
evacuation
plan
in
place
until
they
were
fully
preserved
or
or
or
we
took
them
down,
but
it
would
be
safer,
there
would
be
less
risk
if
we
take
the
inner
liner
down.
So
I
just
asked
you
all
to
accept
all
that
as
information.
A
I
think
the
next
step
would
be
to
come
back
to
council
with
a
recommendation
on
where
we
would
find
additional
dollars
to
even
make
up
our
50
and
then
hear
back
from
the
task
force
as
to
what
their
fundraising
plan
is
going
to
be
any
comments
or
questions
all
right
hearing
none
we'll
move
on.
We
also
had
a
request
to
get
an
update
on
the
calhoun
cornerstone,
and
I
saw
jason
kronsberg
was
still
on
a
call.
Maybe
edmond
most
is
jason.
M
Edmond
was
on
site
on
saturday,
so
I'm
going
to
let
him
take
the
lead
on
this
one.
So
thank
you
edmund
great.
AK
Thank
you.
So,
as
we
all
know
saturday,
it
was
discovered
the
cornerstone
on
the
northwest
corner.
That's
the
corner,
that's
closest
to
the
embassy
suites
front
entrance
off
a
meeting
street
the
cornerstone,
measured
about
32
inches
long
14,
inches
high
20
inches
wide.
It
was
made
out
of
a
sandstone
type
of
material.
AK
AK
AK
It
was
embedded
in
in
tabby,
so
there
was
six
inches
of
tabby
concrete.
On
top
of
it,
you
had
16
inches
that
was
surrounding
it,
and
then
you
had
about
another
foot
to
18
inches
below
that.
So
it
was
all
encased
in
tabby.
AK
AK
We
could
see
that
white
marble,
that's
what
really
knew
that
it
was
there
when
we
were
looking
for
it
and
then
the
next
steps
right
now
so
brockington
is
our
archaeologist.
We've
worked
with
them
a
lot.
They
worked
on
the
iam
archaeology,
dig.
They
worked
on
the
gill
yard.
AK
They
took
that
into
possession
it's
at
their
shop
right
now
and
what
they're
doing
this
week
is
they're
lining
up
the
consultants
that
they
need
and
understanding
the
knowledge
and
have
the
chemicals
on
hand.
For
once
that
lid
is
opened
that
they'll
be
able
to
stabilize
and
treat
any
of
the
materials
that
are
in
there,
they're
planning
on
doing
that
in
probably
the
second
week
of
february,
it'll
take
some
time
for
them
to
get
all
their
ducks
in
a
row
and
be
prepared
to
open
this.
AK
F
A
Thank
you
for
the
report.
Any
questions
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
that
was
most
interesting
and,
and
I
went
down
there
as
well-
and
I
never
saw
so
much
shell
in
the
tabby
concrete
before
and
they
were
like
large
whole
oyster
shells
still
coming
apart
when
they
were
breaking
up
the
tabby.
I
thought
that
was
very
interesting
as
well
all
right.
So
next
is
our
council.
Thank
you
edmund
next
is
our
council
communications.
We've
really
already
taken
care
of
number.
A
One
number
two
is
the
establishment
of
the
paul
wachter
memorial
bridge
and
pathway
councilmember
wearing.
A
And
this
is
a
very
reserved
request
to
name
we
do
have
this.
K
I
got
I
understand
this
is
after
a
noted,
neighborhood
resident.
I
mean
he
put
a
lot
of
work
in
this
area.
Councilman,
chile,
you,
I
know
you're
a
part
of
this
district,
but
we
had
no
sidewalks
that
led
from
ashley
hall,
road,
around
ashley
plantation
road
and
all
the
way
to
highway
61.
K
paul
walked.
There
worked
on
that
for
almost
a
decade,
going
all
the
way
back
to
mayor
raleigh
meeting
on
mayor's
night
midnight
out.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
he
certainly
met
with
me
of
tekkenberg
on
it.
You
know,
prior
to
his
death,
those
sidewalks
right
now,
people
use
those
and
take
them
for
granted,
but
you
know
we
all
remember
when
they
were
dirt
and
then
there's
a
replacement
of
a
little
flat
bridge
that
leads
to
ashley
hall
plantation
I
or
ashley
harbor.
K
I
should
say
both
of
those
neighborhoods
that
that
bridge
was
replaced
less
than
a
year
ago,
councilman
county
councilman
bradley
moody
put
a
lot
of
work
in
getting
the
money
to
get
that
in
place.
Funding
came
through
the
county
as
a
matter
of
fact.
Some
of
us
killed
him
by
calling
at
brantley's
bridge,
but
it
was
paul
walter
from
years
and
years
and
decades
ago
that
planted
the
seed
in
mayor
rowley's
head,
as
I'm
sure
he
probably
mentioned
to
you
techenberg
about
replacing
that
bridge
as
well.
K
Some
of
the
sidewalks
went
up
to
the
bridge.
The
bridge
was
old
needed
to
be
replaced.
It
shows
you
the
power.
What
one
citizen
volunteer
can
do,
so
he
helped
wes
ashley
and
certainly
the
area.
The
neighborhoods
that
I
live
in
and
a
lot
of
people
joined
closely
raised.
The
quality
of
life
wes
ashley,
so
naming
this
bridge
after
him
would
be
such
a
wonderful
honor
for
his
family,
and
I
would
hope
you
all
would
support
this,
but
it
is.
K
He
was
one
of
the
first
purveyors
of
west
ashley
revitalization
way
before
we
even
thought
of
having
a
commission
appointment,
so
he
he's
passed
on,
but
it
would
be
done
posthumously,
but
I
would
hope
you
all
would
support
this.
So
move.
K
Yeah
we
want
to
put
a
real
nice
plaque
on
it.
I
mean
they've
got
this.
You
know
you
put
these
green
sides
up
there,
but
it'd
probably
be
more
appropriate
if
you
were
to
put
a
something
mounted
actually
on
the
bridge
itself.
So.
A
K
Time
now,
one
last
thing:
that's
not
my
idea,
a
lady
who's
leaving
us
who's,
giving
us
so
much
service
over
the
decades.
That
sue
griffin
gave
me
a
call
on
this,
and
it
should
really
be
what
she
would
have
been
here
tonight,
but
she
sent
me
a
wonderful
emoji
with
her
with
a
hypodermic
needle.
She
was
scheduled
to
get
her
a
covert
19
shot,
while
this
meeting
was
being
taken
place.
So
let's
root
for
her
and
getting
that
vaccinated.
K
But
I
wish
we
could
have
had
some
words
tonight,
because
somebody
said
earlier
in
the
meeting
tonight
that
we
get
some
of
our
better
ideas
from
citizens,
and
I
still
maintain
that
we
do
just
because
you
got
elected
doesn't
mean
we
have
all
the
ideas.
We
don't
there's
a
number
of
great
ideas
that
also
comes
forward
to
benefit
our
community
from
our
staff,
and
obviously
this
would
not
happen
if
sue
griffin,
she's
retiring
leaving
out
the
door-
and
she
said
no,
we
got
to
get
this
done
so
way
to
go
soon.
A
Please
say:
hi
hi!
Thank
you.
Councilmember
next
is
our
council
committee
reports.
I'm
coming
right
back
to
you,
council
member
in
committee
on
public
works.
A
O
The
only
item
that
we
had
was
the
adoption
of
the
open
data
policy.
We
received
an
update
from
tracy
mckee
I'll
just
report
to
you
that
this
policy
was
based
upon
numerous
hours
of
work
based
on
her
coordination
with
other
with
the
departments
with
the
city
and
it
got
their
support
behind
it,
and
I
would
urge
us
to
go
ahead
and
adopt
the
open
data
policy
which
was
recommended
by
our
committee.
O
A
M
A
V
Yes,
I'm
sorry
just
for
clarity.
We
are
not
voting
on
the
last
item
on
the
ways
and
means
which
has
to
do
with
the
execution.
Y
A
C
Yes,
sir,
I
just
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
that
I,
while
I
trust
me,
I
get
the
how
difficult
it
is
to
keep
the
minutes
together.
I
still
I
I'm
I'm
somebody
who
just
has
to
have
the
verbatim
minutes.
You
know.
There's
I
go
back
through
and
read
our
agendas
or
excuse
me
our
minutes
from
our
meetings
all
the
time
and
sometimes
years
later.
C
A
Well,
we're
going
to
take
one
two
and
four:
may
I
add
that
number
four
is
as
amended
because
changes
to
number
four
that
came
to
us
this
afternoon
that
we've
already
discussed
as
amended
any
discussion
on
one
two
or
four.
L
Thank
you.
I
I
I
just
feel
like
item
number
four
deserves
a
little
recognition
it.
It
is
a
opportunity
that
the
city
has
been
basically
considering
for
a
couple
of
years
now,
as
the
east
side
properties
that
are
involved
in
this.
In
this
it
was
essentially
a
an
exchange
of
property
between
the
humanities
foundation
and
the
city
of
charleston.
L
It's
going
to
be
a
a
really
wonderful
project
and
I'm
so
proud
and
happy
that
we
hung
in
there
and
handled
all
of
the.
You
know
the
little
messy
details
that
a
lot
of
times
in
my
work
in
affordable
housing
could
just
sort
of
defeat.
You
know
this
kind
of
vision,
so
I
I
really
do
think
that
everyone
who
was
involved
our
legal
staff,
obviously
the
humanities
foundation
and
their
consultants,
giannis
johnson,
our
design
office-
that
put
the
vision
out
there
in
terms
of
how
this
could
all
come
together
so
anyway.
Thank
you.
L
A
Now
the
fun
begins.
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
all
right,
any
other
questions
comments
on
one
two
or
four,
as
amended
all
in
favor.
Please
say
hi
now
for
third
reading
and
ratification
of
one
two
and
four.
T
A
A
Second
I'll
second,
so
we
heard
council
member
griffin's
comments.
I
I
will
say
that
I
agree
that
having
some
form
of
a
full
record
is
is
definitely
more
than
appropriate
is
required
in
today's
world
of
technology
youtube
or
some
other
future
technology.
I
think
we
have
that
ability.
A
Our
clerk
has
researched
with
our
information
technology,
folks
that
we
believe
we
can
put
bookmarks
in
the
youtube
recordings
and
and
make
it
easy
to
find
the
portion
of
the
meeting
that
you're
searching
for
so
I
I
certainly
want
to
have
the
capability,
and
if
we,
if
we
can't
maintain
a
capability
to
get
a
full
record
of
our
meetings,
I
would
be
the
first
one
to
say
we
should
go
back
to
the
full
transcription,
but
I
do
believe
that
we
should
try
to
modernize
and
be
efficient,
where
we
can
we've
added
a
lot
of
weight
to
the
chores
of
the
clerk's
office
by
many
committees
and
commissions
that
we've
added
over
the
last
couple
years.
A
So
I
I
a
lot
of
most
other
cities.
Do
this
and
have
been
exploring
new
technologies.
So
I
I
think
we
ought
to
try
to
step
forward
and
and
be
modern
councilmember
jackson
and
shade.
L
Thank
you,
and
I
do
want
to
thank
madam
clerk.
I
I,
as
I
said,
I
think
our
last
meeting
this
this
one
is
all
true
too
too
close
to
the
the
the
management
work
that
I
used
to
have
to
do.
It's.
It's
definitely
a
split
the
baby
decision.
In
terms
of
knowing
that
you
know
we
are
changing
a
format
that
we
we
all
do,
love
and
take
advantage
of,
and
so
does
the
public.
L
So
I
I
guess
I
was
going
to
suggest
that,
as
you
just
said,
mr
mayor,
if
we
can't
make
the
bookmarking
work
because
that
would
be,
you
know
just
really,
I
think,
a
huge
tool
if
we
were
reading
a
summary,
more
of
a
summary
type
minutes,
written
document
and
we'd
be
able
to
go
exactly
to
where
the
youtube
video
takes
up.
L
The
the
you
know
detailed
verbatim
conversations
that
we
all
have
and
listen
to
each
other
could
could
we
hold
off
on
changing
the
format
for
our
minutes
until
we
could
actually
make
sure
that
this
will
work
as
opposed
to
starting
out
on
a
new
format
and
then
having
you
know,
some
some
challenges
with
that.
Would
that
be
a
reasonable
compromise
to
make
sure
it's
going
to
work
and
then
switch.
A
If
it's
the
will
of
council,
I
think
that
that's
not
unreasonable.
I
think
that's
everyone's
goal
here,
hilly.
A
Yeah
councilmember
shade
was
next
and
then
I
see
sheilian
del
chapo
councilmember
shay.
O
But
I've
given
some
more
thought
about
this
as
well,
and-
and
I
see
that
the
true
value
of
these
verbatim
minutes
going
back
and
and
we've
experienced
it
just
this
week,
how
vital
those
verbatim
minutes
really
are,
and
I
would
just
prefer
that
we
look
at
other
alternatives
to
we're
in
the
digital
age.
O
O
I'll
come
back
and
look
at
this
at
another
time,
but
it's
just
really
too
much
to
me
that
we
need
to
keep
the
verbatim
transcripts
as
much
as
possible.
Just
it's
just
too
vital
for
that.
I
thought
it
was
certainly
what
the
editorial
the
post
in
courier
had
in
there,
that
we
are
unique
and
historians
like
to
come
back
and
review
these
things
from
time
to
time.
O
That's
true,
and
I
think
that
is
a
point
that
well
taken
with
an
editorial
on
the
post
and
courier,
but
from
a
practical
standpoint
for
our
benefit
in
our
use.
I
would
encourage
us
to
look
at
other
alternatives
to
find
out,
because
I
know
this
is
a
heavy
burden,
a
heavy
burden
on
her
staff
and
the
work
that
she
has
to
do,
because
it's
not
just
us,
it's
not
just
council
means
it's
it's
the
ways
and
means
minutes.
It's
the
public
safety.
O
It's
all
all
of
our
department
meetings
that
we
have
that
adds
to
the
burden
on
this
and
her
staff
has
stretched
to
the
limit
on
this.
But
if
we
can
find
other
alternatives,
I
think
maybe
deferring.
This
would
be
a
better
option
to
do
this
right
now,
because
I
want
to
keep
the
forbidden
minutes.
X
A
A
motion
to
defer
in
a
second
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
call
on
the
company
and
then
del
choppa.
T
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
you
know
one
thing
I
like
to
do
when,
when
the
clerk
or
clerk's
office
sends
out
the
minutes,
you
know
I
like
to
hit
that
ctrl
f
and
look
for
certain
things
to
make
sure
that
things
were,
and
sometimes
I
put
my
name
in
there
to
see
exactly
how
it
was
quoted
the
will
this.
Do
we
have
the
technology
to
be
able
to
do
that?
I
guess
by
using
the
zoom
or
or
some
other
recording,
because
to
me
that's
that's
fairly
important.
B
Actually,
I
did
reach
out
to
our
information
technology
department
and
they
do
think
that
we
can
bookmark
the
minutes.
We
do
need
to
try
it
just
to
ensure
that
we
can
do
it
and
I've
actually
asked
one
of
our
staff
members
tomorrow.
B
We
can't
do
it
while
we're
we're
having
the
meeting
live,
she's
actually
on
our
meeting
right
now,
but
I've
asked
her
to
go
back
and
go
through
the
meeting
and
look
through
our
agenda
and
bookmark
the
points
like
if
we're
getting
ready
to
head
into
petitions
and
communications
or
second
readings
so
that
people
can
be
taken,
and
this
this
was
a
suggestion.
Councilmember
gregory,
I
think,
had
made
it
our
previous
meeting,
and
so
you
know
I
it
does
sound
like
we're.
We
can
do
something
like
that.
B
If,
for
some
reason
you
know
we
can't
we
can
always
bookmark
or
not
bookmark,
we
can
always
put
a
time
marker
in
the
minutes
so
that
people
can
go
to
the
portion
of
the
video
where
that
conversation
is
taking
place,
and
I
and
I
completely
understand
you-
know
people
wanting
to
preserve
the
city's
history
and
and
how
they
like.
B
Having
that
transcript
and
being
able
to
look
up
what
everyone
says,
I
completely
understand
that,
but
the
the
issue
is,
I
mean
they're,
it's
they're
called
minutes
because
they're
supposed
to
be
short
to
the
point
and
a
recap
of
the
business
that
them
that
happens
at
the
meetings-
and
I
and
some
of
you
may
not
know
this,
but
actually
our
minutes
haven't
always
been
verbatim.
B
They
actually
were
summary
at
a
time
at
one
time,
but
they
were
very
detailed,
so
they
haven't
always
been
verbatim
minutes
and
it's
you
know
we're
we're
just
trying
to.
I
think,
look
at
ways
to
take
some
of
that
burden
off
of
our
staff.
B
I
know
at
from
our
december
15th
meeting,
I'm
not
I'm
not
going
to
give
you
a
pop
quiz,
because
I
know
y'all
read
it
from
front
to
back,
but
it
was
70
pages
and
that's
just
one
meeting
and
in
this
meeting
I
know
is
going
to
be
even
longer
and
it's
just
it's.
You
know
I
realize
how
everyone
loves
it
and
you
know
I'm
not
trying
to
do
anything
radical
or
this
isn't
anything
being
done
on
a
whim.
It's
just
gotten
to
a
point
where
it's
a
lot
of
work
on
our
staff.
B
Our
department
is
responsible
for
a
lot
of
other
duties,
and
this
is
just
taking
you
know
this
is
taking,
I
think,
more
time
away
from
those
other
items
that
we
need
to
be
focused
on.
I
think
councilmember
shade
had
referenced
that
as
well.
We
have
standing
committees
that
we
have
to
cover.
We
have
other
boards
and
commissions
that
we
have
to
cover.
We
have
agendas
that,
as
you
all
know,
there
are
hundreds
of
pages
and
we
have
to
turn
those
around
every
two
weeks.
B
So
it's
a
cycle
and,
most
importantly,
we
have
other
departments
that
are
very
dependent
on
our
department
to
get
stuff
to
them
in
that
time
frame.
Every
contract
that
goes
through
council
comes
through
our
office
and
has
to
be
cataloged
and
routed
back
to
them,
as
well
as
any
step
contracts
that
are
approved
by
staff.
We
have
ordinances
and
resolutions
that
we're
responsible
for
keeping
track
of.
We
schedule
all
the
committee
meetings.
B
We
have
several
agenda
meetings
before
we
even
send
out
the
agenda
for
council,
so
there's,
and
I
only
say
that
just
because
I
know
council
members
know
what
our
tasks
are,
but
I
know
sometimes
with
the
public.
They
may
not
always
know
what
our
job
responsibilities
are,
and
so
just
you
know
in
looking
at
that
and
and
looking
at
our
staff,
and
especially
now
with
covid
and
the
challenges
that
that
has
sort
of
brought
in
the
additional
responsibilities
of
putting
our
meetings
on
zoom.
B
You
know
we're
just
trying
to
find
a
way
to
keep
the
department
afloat
and
ensure
that
we
can
continue
to
provide
our
services,
so
I
didn't
want
to
take
everyone's
time.
I
know
everyone
is
super
tired
right
now,
but
this
is
sort
of
one
of
those
meetings,
I
think,
is.
B
The
best
example
is
as
to
why
we're
trying
to
move
to
a
format.
You
know
that
would
be
would
be
easier
for
for
us
to
be
able
to
get
that
work
to
you.
F
Think
councilwoman
del
chapo
was
before
me,
mr
mayor.
U
U
U
Now,
we've
got
summary
minutes
and
little
markers
next
to
them
that
take
you
to
nowhere.
I
know
that's
hard
to
imagine
a
world
without
the
google,
but
but
it's
a
possibility
and
or
you
know,
as
technology
continues
to
advance,
are
we
just
chasing?
U
Are
we
hindering
that
ability
by
relying
on
technology,
which
is
ever-changing
as
opposed
to
direct
transcription
written
down,
which
I
can't
ever
see
falling
by
the
wayside,
especially
when
it
can
be
taken,
and
then
you
know
from
written
and
made
electronic,
etc
and
and
I'll
also
say
I
was
you
know
I
was
one
of
the
first
people.
You
know.
U
So
I
say
this
in
that
I
I
am
beyond
sympathetic
for
what
you
and
your
department
does
and
we
could
not
survive
without
y'all,
but
I
I
just
I
just
feel
much
more
comfortable
if
we
maintain
those
those
direct
minutes
and
and
keep
ourselves
as
transparent
as
possible.
F
Yeah
when
I,
when
I
read
the
editorial
in
the
paper,
it
sounded
like
some
of
what
I
we
were
discussing
when
this
first
came
for
our
consideration.
F
F
F
Okay,
in
order
to
be
more
efficient,
for
whatever
reason
I
just
really
don't
think
that
it
works
for
us.
I
think
verbatim
minutes
are
very
very
important
to
have.
I
think
that
we
can
lose
something.
In
summary,
a
summary
a
summary
may
not
get
me
where
I
need
to
be,
because
it
is
a
summary
and
it's
losses.
It's
lost
all
contacts
I
had.
I
would
have
no
idea-
and
I
think
that
it
blocks
transparency
to
our
citizens
a
lot
of
our
citizens.
Don't
don't
have
that
kind
of
technical
capacity?
F
They
some
of
us
still
need
a
hard
copy,
so
I
I
just
I
just
don't
think
that
deviating
from
verbatim
to
summary
is
the
way
for
our
unique,
unique
city
to
go.
If
there's
a
problem,
then
let's
staff
up
the
clerk
of
council's
office.
Accordingly,
they've
been
under
staff
for
years.
This
isn't
new.
F
A
R
Thanks
mayor
just
a
quick
question
for
clerk
of
council,
what
is
the
the
best
practice
of
of
municipalities
around
the
area?
So
I've
got
that
question
and
I
just
want
to
go
ahead.
B
Well,
I
mean,
as
you
know,
I
can't
the
most
followed
practices
is
to
have
summary
minutes.
That's
if
you
go
to
many,
you
know
any
city's
website,
you're,
probably
going
to
find
some
form
of
summary
minutes
and
and
then
I
sent
everyone
some
examples,
sort
of
towards
the
end
of
the
last
week.
So
you
could
kind
of
see
a
variety
of
different
ones
that
are
out
there
and
they're
all
different.
You
know
some
are,
they
might
be
very
brief.
Some
might
have
might
be
a
little
more
descriptive.
B
Some
might
include
the
actual
documents
that
are
approved
or
links
to
those
documents.
I
mean
that
the
standard
practice,
just
from
from
what
I
see
is
to
have
summary
minutes
and
because
they're,
not
you
know,
if
it's
a
transcript,
it's
it's
a
transcript.
They're,
not
really
minutes
minutes
are
designed
you're
just
trying
to
hit
the
business
of
the
meeting.
B
So
that's
I
mean,
as
when
I
look
around
at
other
cities.
That
seems
to
be
you
know
the
most
followed
practice.
R
Hey
thanks
man
and
then
just
two
more
questions
or
two
more
points,
if,
if
possible,
to
just
basically
defer
this
and
see
if
they
the
ear,
marking
or
the
or
that
or
the
marking
on
the
video
would
work.
Because
I
mean
if
it's
a
video
recording
of
our
deliberation
and
council
meetings.
Is
that
not
a
record
of
verbatim
record
of
what
what's
going
on?
R
And
I'm
going
to
be
honest
with
you
of
the
minutes
that
you
send
me,
I
don't
pour
through
those
minutes
every
time
and
I'm
sure
council
members
will
some
will
agree.
Some
won't.
But
I
get
the
need
for
this,
but
I
think
there
is
a
change
and
I
think,
to
councilman
gregory's
point.
My
last
point
is:
if
we
vote
to
make
sure
that
we
do
verbatim
and
you
need
additional
assistance,
then
we
should
figure
that
out
as
a
council
and
support
you
thank.
A
A
A
The
eyes
have
it
so
the
matter's
deferred.
I
guess
we'll
come
back
to
you
at
another
time
when
we
have
a
little
more
specific
recommendation
to
make
and.
B
B
AJ
L
G
V
B
And
I
mean
I,
I
would
love
more
staffing,
but
I'm
not
going
to
say
no,
but
but
I
will
say
because
I
think
I
saw
amy
hop
on
the
line
I
you
know
I
do
know
we
have
to
stay
within
our
budget
this
year.
B
You
know
to
do
additional
work
and
then
also
I
did
want
to
address
just
really
quickly,
because
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to.
I
did
speak
with
wes
about
youtube
and
how
long
the
videos
can
stay
up,
and
you
know
if
we
have
a
max
for
that,
and
he
said
that
there
is
no
max.
We
can
just
you
know
we
can
keep
having.
We
will
keep
having
the
videos
up
there
and
also
I
have
all
the
videos
in
zoom.
We
keep
those.
B
So
that's
a
backup,
so
I
mean
we'll
have
those
you
know
they
won't
go
away
if
youtube
goes
away,
which
I
don't
think
we
have
to
worry
about
that,
but
but
we
do
have
a
backup.
So
I
just
I
knew
that
was
a
question
I
think
councilman
del
choco
had
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
make
sure
I
answered
it.
That
was
it.
A
All
right
we
can
come
back
to
this,
I
mean
council,
member
griffin,
did
you
want
to.
C
Just
make
one
more
point
and
jennifer
that
was
the
most
polite
beat
up
these
meetings.
So
thank
you
for
being
ways.
We
definitely
not
be
here
until
10
o'clock,
but
one
that
you
could
maybe
find
is
what
it
would
do,
if
maybe
the
boards
and
commissions
were
summary
or
you
all
focused
less
on
that,
because
we
have
so
many
boards
and
commissions
and
so
many
subcommittees.
C
B
I
think
I
mean
it's
something
I
can
come
back
to
y'all
with,
but
I
I
think
that
would
definitely
help
out.
I
mean
we
would
have
to
cover
their
standing
committees
right,
but
I
think
some
of
the
other.
You
know
boards
and
commissions.
I
think
you
know
I
I
would
be
in
favor
that
maybe
maybe
we'd
have
to
we'd
have
to
find
other
staff
who
could
cover
themselves.
F
C
A
No
problem
any
other
comments
or
questions
anything
else
for
the
order
who
do
we
adjourn
councilmember
brady.
X
Yeah
I
just
had
one
request,
as
I
was
looking
through
the
agenda
late
last
week
at
a
previous
council
meeting,
we
had
discussed
on
the
agenda
to
put
the
dates
for
the
deferrals
in
terms
of
when
they
would
be
rolling
off
the
agenda,
and
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
there
was
an
update
on
that.