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City of Charleston Council Meeting - November 13,2018
A
We
only
acknowledge
our
shortcomings
that
ask
for
forgiveness
of
all
those
thoughts
and
deeds
that
were
not
pleasing
in
your
sight.
Lord.
We
also
ask
you
to
be
with
our
current
and
newly
elected
officials.
We
ask
that
you
give
them
wisdom
and
discernment
as
they
make
decisions
that
affect
our
lives.
Yes,
that
you
be
with
our
present
our
Congress,
our
state
officials,
our
mayor
in
all
of
our
elected
local
officials,
Lord,
we
ask
you
to
be
with
our
city
employees,
and
especially
those
that
risk
their
lives
every
day.
A
On
our
behalf,
we
also
pray
for
your
strength
and
comfort
for
all
the
survivors
and
families
of
those
that
lost
their
lives
in
recent
California
fires,
the
shootings
in
Pittsburgh
in
California
and
other
acts
of
violence
around
our
country.
We
also
pray
for
our
current
military
servicemen
and
women
and
all
those
veterans
that
have
gone
before.
A
Finally
Lord.
We
acknowledge
that
we
were
created
in
your
image
that
image
is
not
defined
as
male
or
female,
black
or
white
or
any
other
physical
attributes.
We
are
created
in
your
image
of
love.
The
Bible
states
that
we
are
to
love
you
and
love.
Each
other
to
help
us
to
keep
that
commandment.
So
this
will
know
us
by
our
love,
amen,
amen,
I,.
D
Alright,
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
tonight.
This
would
be
very
unlikely,
but
in
the
unlikely
event
that
we
would
need
to
exit
the
building
from
this
room,
we
have
these
two
exit
doors
and
there's
an
exit
door
from
my
room
to
the
right.
In
that
event,
please
do
not
use
the
elevator,
but
just
take
the
two
stairways
down
and
then
the
one
stairway
out
the
front
door
just
want
everybody
to
be
aware
of
that.
D
Okay
I
was
going
to
introduce
a
special
guest,
but
he's
not
here
just
yet
so
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
that,
and
the
next
thing,
since
we
don't
have
any
public
hearings,
is
to
ask
for
approval
of
our
City
Council
mate
minutes.
They
didn't
get
sent
out.
So
we're
not
going
to
approve
this
borough
yeah
we're
going
to
put
it.
Do
you
want
a
motion
to
defer
video?
D
We
have
a
motion
to
defer
in
a
second
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
the
eyes
have
it.
I
can't
believe
we're
here
this
quickly,
but
we're
going
to
move
right
forward
after
I
give
one
other
ignite
to
our
citizens.
Participation
period.
I
did
want
to
acknowledge
mr.
Jean
Zelo
is
with
us
this
evening
and
we
just
passed
that
ways
and
means,
and
our
earlier
real
estate
committee
meeting
amendment
two
to
Planned
Unit
development
agreement
that
was
in
existence
for
some
time
and
mrs.
D
D
Okay,
so
we
have
a
whole
bunch
of
folks
who
have
signed
up
or
we
have
35.
We
do
try
to
keep
it
to
30
minutes,
got
35
we'll
go.
Ask
you
to
keep
your
remarks
to
one
minute.
Please
and
Madame
clerk
will
call
out
a
group
of
about
four
or
five
people
at
a
time
and
when
you
hear
your
name
just
go
ahead
and
and
come
to
either
microphone
and
will
cue
you
up
and
and
welcome
your
comments
and
council.
F
Muhammad
idris
soberness,
indeed,
here
in
the
city
in
this
city
council,
I
might
say,
without
any
reservation,
that
you
are
all
a
drama
you
all
voted
to
apologize
to
the
african
american
people
where
our
country
had
already
did
so
in
1965.
Are
you
always
saying
that
Charlton
judgment
is
returning
to
Virginia,
since
it
was
the
city
that
fired
the
first
shot
to
start
the
Civil
War?
This
act?
Love
you
all
is
like
a
man
whose
punch
draw
and
have
deprecated
all
over
himself
and
got
the
whole
area
smelling.
Like
a
scholar.
F
Also,
when
you
are
went
to
Neverland,
to
find
an
expert
to
solve
the
flooding
problem
and
Charleston,
you
did
the
same
thing
you
did
to
the
civil
rights
bill
that
were
established
in
1965.
You
dedicated
on
the
constitution
of
this
great
country
America,
and
our
council
version
of
the
city
district,
who
introduced
the
petition
for
the
council
to
Sam.
F
G
Good
evening,
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
okay
James
Anthony
of
Jim
Anthony
I
lived
in
Charleston
and
West
Ashley
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
proposed
of
plastic
reduction.
Ordinance.
That's
coming
up
today's
meeting
so
I
have
this
written
down.
Plastic
is
a
man-made
product.
Every
bit
of
plastic
that
has
ever
been
created
still
exists
today.
We
as
a
planet
have
dug
ourselves
into
a
very
deep
hole
when
it
comes
to
plastic,
Will
Rogers
said
if
you
find
that
you
have
dug
yourself
into
a
deep
hole.
The
first
thing
you
do
is
stop
digging.
G
Change
is
hard,
but
we,
as
a
society,
have
made
changes
in
the
past.
Consider
how
prevalent
smoking
was
in
our
culture
in
the
past.
One
can.
Google
old
TV
shows
such
as
Johnny
Carson,
and
you
can
see
people
smoking.
It
was
everywhere.
Today
it
is
rare
to
find
someone
smoking.
We
did
not
realize
the
harm
I'm
done.
Yes,
sir.
Oh
thank.
H
Danmark,
okay,
hi.
Thank
you
for
having
me
here
today
and
I'm.
The
senior
vice
president
of
the
sustainability
for
Nova
Lex
Nova
Lex
is
a
company
that
manufactures
the
world's
largest
manufacturer
of
plastic
retail
bags
paper
bags
food
service.
We
have
50
United
States
manufacturing
facility
and
we
call
Hartsville
our
world
headquarters.
H
I
manage
products
like
this
really
is
kind
of
it's
counterintuitive.
To
what
the
statistics
say:
plastic
bags
account
for
three
tenths
of
1%
of
all
municipal
solid
waste
according
to
the
Ocean
Conservancy,
that
does
litter
pickup,
it's
less
than
one
and
a
half
percent.
To
give
you
an
example,
this
is
the
amount
of
bags
that
would
pick
up
annually
in
in
Charleston.
77%
of
these
bags
are
reused
for
home
conveniences
such
as
you
know,
picking
up
after
your
past,
you
know
picking
up
the
trash
can
liners.
H
I
J
Hello
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Sam
render
our
sing
our
live
in
West
Ashley,
along
with
my
wife.
We
have
been
married
for
approximately
50
years,
so
I'm
proud
to
be
a
Charleston
citizen,
I'm,
a
retired
professor
of
social
psychology
and
sociology
try
to
dedicate
as
much
time
as
possible
for
people's
service.
First
of
all,
I
like
to
thank
each
and
every
council
members
and
our
respected
mayor
for
your
service
and
dedication
to
the
people
of
the
city
of
Charleston
and
I
have
a
feeling,
hopefully
I'm
correct
that
you
are.
J
You
know
both
any
kind
of
trivial,
personal
animosity
of
politics,
so
I
kindly
urge
you
to
kindly
look
into
your
heart
and
put
the
interests
of
the
people
of
the
city
of
Charleston,
the
environment,
we'll
live
in,
and
the
sea
creatures
we
depend
upon
of
it.
We
do
not
depend
apart,
but
we
do
respect
because
we
have
learned
how
to
live
in
love
and
harmony.
So
please
pay
attention
to
that,
and
I
would
be
grateful
to
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Yes,
ma'am
good.
K
Evening,
Leah
Cola,
bellow
I
own
a
business
here
in
Charleston
I'm,
also
a
member
of
a
Lowcountry
local,
first
and
I
wholeheartedly
support
this
ordinance
appears.
Some
of
you
may
have
seen
my
TEDx
Charleston
talk
about
the
dangers
of
plastic
pollution
in
our
environment
and,
if
you
haven't
I,
encourage
you
to
check
it
out.
Thank
you.
So
much
I
really
appreciate
you
considering
this
ordinance
and
voting
in
favor
of
it.
Thank.
D
L
Thank
You
Stuart
Weinberg
Charleston
first
I'd
like
to
publicly
thank
the
mayor
for
organizing
the
vigil
after
his
horrendous
murders
in
Pittsburgh
and
what
he
did
to
bring
this
community
together.
So
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
but
I'm
really
here
tonight,
because
I
am
the
community
member
to
the
raziel
resilience
and
sustainability
advisory
committee
that
passed
last
week,
the
proposal
to
bring
to
the
City
Council
and
regarding
environmentally
acceptable
packaging
and
products.
L
You
know
last
month's
the
European
Parliament,
the
entire
European
Parliament
voted
to
ban
single-use
plastic
bags
across
the
board
in
its
attempt
to
stop
almost
70%
of
the
pollution.
That's
going
into
the
oceans
if
they
did
it,
if
Mount
Pleasant
has
done
it
if
Folly
Beach
has
done
it,
isn't
it
time
for
us
to
do
it,
and
if
anyone
has
any
questions
regarding
how
businesses
are
being
able
to
function
without
single-use
plastic
bags,
please
visit
the
businesses
on
folly
beach.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
M
Hi
there
I'm
Emily
said,
though
I'm
the
director
of
the
land,
water
and
Wildlife
Program
for
the
coastal
conservation
league
I'm
here
tonight,
as
a
proud
partner
of
the
city
with
many
others
who
are
here
as
well.
We've
worked
with
you
all
for
nearly
the
past
three
years,
identifying
data
and
and
looking
at
the
problem
that
plastic
pollution
has
posed
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
We've
also
done
two
surveys
extensively
reaching
out
to
businesses
and
residents
with
overwhelmingly
positive
feedback
for
a
policy
solution
to
plastic
pollution.
M
N
So
yes,
Neto
YZ,
Charleston,
Sister,
Cities
International
I'm
here
this
evening
to
use
my
minute
to
let
you
know
that
you
have
now
on
your
deft
the
press
release
for
our
trade
mission,
which
hopefully
will
generate
importing
and
exporting
opportunities
between
the
charleston
area,
our
state
and
Panama
City,
and
also
open
up
some
logistical
and
help
promote
our
port.
Okay
within
Panama,
as
an
alternate
to
Savannah
I,
got
a
call
today
from
Qatar
who
would
like
to
see
if
they
could
move
forward
and
doing
a
sister
city
with
us,
but
I'm
also
here
to
see.
N
If,
in
our
next
meeting,
we
can
complete
our
Barbados
sister
city
partnership
with
Speightstown
and
make
that
official
before
we
go
into
next
year
and
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
add
the
Netherlands
Rotterdam
because
of
their
flooding
and
resiliency
best
practices
that
we
can
certainly
benefit
from
as
the
sister
city
next
year
and
floor.
Okay,
Blair
yeah.
C
N
B
O
My
name
is
theater
Romina
I'm,
as
12
12
year
old,
seventh
grade
student
at
Lang,
middle
school
science
and
technology.
We
recently
completed
a
sea
LaForge
project
in
mr.
Lin's
science
class,
while
researching
for
that
project.
I
learned
that,
if
left
unaddressed,
sea
level
rise
could
change
the
physical
appearance
of
the
Charleston
area,
so
don't
our
local
economy
and
could
negatively
impact
tourism.
It
is
a
real
problem
that
needs
to
be
addressed
now
before
it
is
too
late.
O
Just
like
sea
level
rise,
the
use
of
single-use
plastic
bags
could
have
a
negative
effect
on
our
community.
I
once
heard
that
the
lifespan
of
the
average
bag
you
pick
up
at
the
grocery
store
is
about
12
minutes.
However,
the
microplastics
could
last
for
up
to
1,000
years.
Plastic
bags
are
usually
not
properly
recycled.
They
often
end
up
lettered
on
the
side
of
the
road
on
beaches
or
in
the
ocean.
Switching
to
reusable
bags
as
a
small
change
that
could
have
a
big
impact
on
our
future.
P
Mayor
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Andrew
wonderly
and
I'm,
your
Charleston
water
keeper.
We
do
a
lot
of
cleanups
and
almost
everything
we
find
is
is
convenience,
plastic
items,
bags,
foam
cups,
foam
containers
and
the
like.
Last
year,
we
mobilized
more
than
1500
volunteers
and
put
them
out
in
the
marshes
out
in
the
creeks
out
on
the
rivers,
and
if
you
multiply
the
time
they
spent
doing
cleanup
work
by
the
federal
volunteer
rate,
we
provided
almost
$100,000
worth
of
cleanup
services
to
this
community.
I'll
make
a
couple
of
more
points.
P
Real,
quick,
we've
been
a
part
of
three
of
these
efforts
here.
Locally.
This
by
far
has
has
that
the
best
outreach
to
both
locals
and
business
owners
alike,
so
I'm
really
proud
of
the
city
for
what
it's
done
to
reach
out
to
the
community.
Also
I
think
this
ordinance
is
really
smart
right.
It's
it's
very
narrowly
tailored
to
get
out
of
to
get
after
the
types
of
debris
that
we
find
locally
here
during
cleanups,
and
it's
also
tailored
to
get
after
the
types
of
material
that
cannot
be
recycled
in
your
blue
roll
carts.
P
Q
My
name
is
Leslie
Armstrong
I
live
in
James,
Island
I'm
here
as
a
restaurant
owner
and
a
grandmother,
and
my
partners
and
I
who
own
the
restaurant
together
would
make
a
bigger
profit
if
we
didn't
use
eco-friendly
products.
But
how
would
we
live
with
ourselves?
We
care
about
our
planet.
We
care
about
our
family's
help,
so
we're
willing
to
lose
a
little
bit
of
profit
rolling
this
together
and
we
need
to
think
forward.
We
don't
need
to
think
backwards.
We
don't
need
to
think
short-term.
Q
We
need
to
think
long
term
I'm,
a
grandmother
three
of
my
grandchildren
live
in
Charleston
I'm,
not
going
to
be
affected
so
much
by
plastic
and
what
it's
going
to
do
to
the
environment
and
to
my
help,
but
my
grandchildren
will
be
and
their
children
will
be
and
I
care
about
them.
So,
let's
not
think
short-term,
let's
sing
long-term
and
please
ban
these
single-use
plastic
bags
in
styrofoam.
Thank
you.
Thank.
R
Tom
Lane
I'm
a
seventh
grade
science
teacher
at
lying
middle
school.
There
is
my
student
and
we
did
just
complete
a
project
on
sea-level
rise.
One
of
the
things
we
learned
was
that
it
seems
to
be
one
of
those
issues
where
you
kick
the
can
down
the
road
and
everybody
wants
to
do
it.
The
next
time
around
and
one
of
the
statistics
we
found
in
our
research
was
that
we
have
about
12
years
before
we
can't
really
have
a
direct
impact
on
sea
level
rise.
I
think
the
same
thing
is
true
of
plastics.
R
S
T
My
name
is
Amy
caffee
I
live
in
on
James,
Island
and
I'm
here
to
support
the
ban
against
single-use
plastic
bags
and
containers.
There
are
a
lot
of
really
difficult
problems
that
our
society
faces
and
I
think
it's
a
really
simple,
easy
way
to
make
a
tiny
step
in
the
right
direction.
Thank
you.
Thank.
U
My
name
is
Kyle
Hutton
maker
I
live
here
in
Charleston
I'm
also
here
for
the
bag.
Man
just
to
add
my
voice
to
the
many,
the
the
creeks
and
the
marshes
are
a
very
important
part
of
the
city
of
Charleston.
It's
why
many
of
us
choose
to
live
here?
It's
why
many
people
choose
to
visit
here
and
spend
their
money
here.
U
E
V
Name
is
Ryan
cockerel
I'm,
a
business
owner
here
on
Broad,
Street
and
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
plastics
ordinance
I'm
fully
in
support
of
reducing
plastics,
especially
the
single-use
plastics.
So
please
do
vote
in
favor
of
the
ordinance
and
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea
for
Charleston.
Thank
you.
Thank.
W
My
name
is
Caitlin
Cornwall
I
moved
here,
I'm
a
student
studying
environmental
law
and
I
moved
here
to
be
involved
with
the
coastal
and
environmental
issues
that
are
going
on
here.
I
strongly
believe
that
Charleston
should
pass
this
ban
on
plastic
bags,
styrofoam's
and
straws.
This
is
a
very
exciting
time
in
this
state,
with
cities,
towns
and
municipalities
all
over
the
state
taking
part
in
the
ban
on
bags.
If
Charleston
were
to
partake
in
this
ban,
we
would
be
the
biggest
city
in
the
state
to
do
so.
W
X
Good
evening
mayor
members
of
City
Council,
my
name
is
Betsy
laforce,
I'm
a
project
manager
with
the
coastal
conservation
league
in
full
support
of
the
ban
on
plastics,
but
also
wanted
to
show
our
support
tonight
for
the
creation
of
the
new
stormwater
management
department.
Flooding
in
our
built
environment
is
such
a
huge
issue
for
our
community,
as
we
all
know,
and
it
warrants
its
own
department
for
planning
regulation
oversight.
This
is
an
opportunity
to
establish
a
new
department.
X
That's
both
progressive
and
proactive
in
addressing
existing
stormwater
challenges
and
planning
for
new
initiatives,
as
our
region
continues
to
grow.
In
the
face
of
our
current
reality
of
sea
level
rise
and
storm
events,
we
must
be
vigilant
and
planning
for
the
future
and
protecting
the
quality
of
life
of
our
citizens.
So
we
look
forward
to
the
opportunity
to
work
with
you
and
the
community
to
establish
the
vision
and
goals
for
what
this
department
will
be
working
on.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.
Y
My
name
is
Kevin
Giordano
I
am
a
resident
of
West
Ashley
past
13
years
and
I'm
here
to
support
the
Aquatic
Center.
The
proposed
Aquatic
Center,
that's
going
to
be
happening
in
the
West
Ashley
corridor
and
I'm
excited
about
this
particular
endeavor,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
find
is
we
want
to
get
people
out
of
the
house.
We
want
to
get
people
active.
Y
We
want
the
community
to
come
together
and
I
believe
that
the
Aquatic
Center
would
be
a
great
benefit
to
the
city
of
Charleston,
specifically
West
Ashley,
it's
time
for
us
to
continue.
Revitalizing
West
Ashley
there's
a
lot
of
movement,
but
this
is
one
of
those
areas
that
will
be
an
anchor
for
us
as
we
not
only
grow
West
Ashley,
but
also
the
tourism
and
all
the
support
that
will
be
coming
from
out
of
state
to
our
local
economy,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
the
Aquatic
Center.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
Michael
Cox
I'm
a
resident
here
at
Charleston
on
James
Island
I've,
been
here
for
11
years,
owned
a
home
for
8
years
there
and
yeah.
This
is
just
I'm
also
here
to
support
the
ban
on
plastic
bags
and
things
it's
just
it's
a
simple,
reasonable,
easy,
well-written
logical,
first
step
to
take
care
of
a
problem.
That's
absolutely
worse!
Every
time
we
look
around,
you
know
you
get
you
look
at
your
phone.
You've
got
warnings
for
high
tides
because
we're
gonna
have
flow.
You
know
and
yeah.
Z
AA
Hi,
my
name
is
Holly
kite,
I'm,
actually
new
to
the
area,
I
moved
from
South
Georgia.
If
you
can't
tell
I
work
with
an
oyster
recycling
program
here
in
Charleston,
and
we
work
with
local
restaurants
to
take
that
recycled
shell
and
apply
it
back
into
the
water
column
and
I
can
say
with
working
with
these
restaurants,
that
we
find
lots
and
lots
and
lots
of
single-use
plastics,
and
so
that
means
it
is
also
just
by
lack
of
the
amount
of
people
who
can
take
it
out.
You
know
we
don't
have
you
know
it
just.
AA
It
would
be
so
much
easier
for
this
to
be
a
ban
and
still
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
and
then
also
as
a
member
of
the
Society
like
already
try
to
not
use
single-use
plastics,
but
sometimes
people
in
restaurants.
It's
just
like
a
it's
just
like
proper
etiquette
to
ask
to
give
you
a
straw,
you
know,
and
so
Sonny.
You
know
we're
not
able
to
like
speak
ovens
before
they
give
us
one
before
you
know,
then
it's
just
gonna
get
thrown
away
anyway.
AA
E
Okay,
so
Kelly
Kelly
may
be
okay.
AB
Good
evening
Council
I'm
David,
quick
I've,
lived
here
30
years,
I've
run
all
those
30
years,
I've
also
been
a
bike
commuter
lately,
I've
been
paddle
board
around
Charleston
and
kayaking
and
I
can
attest,
say
they
know
if
single-use
plastic
in
our
waterways
and
it's
it's
really
bad
and
I
hope
you
will
support
this
ban
on
single-use
plastic.
It's
very
important.
AB
A
lot
of
people
aren't
going
to
do
it
on
their
own
and
future
generations
are
going
to
depend
on
this
decision
tonight
and
I
urge
you,
if
you're
thinking
about
voting
against
this
ban,
to
join
any
of
the
many
pickups
that
are
held
monthly
with
Surfrider,
while
Waterkeeper
keep
trust
and
beautiful
and
you'll
see
for
yourself.
So
please
please
support
this
band.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AC
My
name
is
Jill
Moran
and
I
live
west.
Actually
and
first,
let
me
say
how
proud
I
am
to
live
West
actually
and
really
happy
to
see
all
of
the
good
things
going
on
over
there
and
I'm
here,
also
to
speak
for
the
Aquatic
Center
and
would
love
to
see
that
as
an
addition
to
the
West
Ashley
area.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
AD
AD
I
live
on
James
Island
during
my
time
at
the
College
of
Charleston
earning
my
undergraduate
degree,
I
researched
microplastics
in
the
marine
environment,
I
looked
at
Easter's
fish
guts,
shrimp
sand
from
all
the
local
beaches,
ocean,
water,
sea
foam
and
my
research
question
quickly
changed
from
if
there
are
micro,
plastics
and
six
in
these
samples,
how
many
pieces
were
in
these
samples,
so
I
I
strongly
urge
that
this
band
gets
passed
and
I
think
it
is
a
great
step
in
the
direction
moving
forward.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AE
Good
evening,
I'm
Jack
Moore
longtime
resident
of
the
West
Ashley
area
of
our
city,
I'm,
here
to
speak
in
favor
of
our
wellness
proposed
wellness
and
Aquatic
Center.
We're
just
excited
about
all
the
wonderful
things
that
are
taking
place
in
West
Ashley
and
we
believe
this
thing
would
just
be
a
tremendous
boom
to
our
city,
especially
our
young
people,
children
and
a
whole
community,
so
hope,
you'll,
look,
favorably
favorably
upon
it.
Thank
You.
AF
Kelly
Thorkelson
South
Carolina
Aquarium,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
about
the
plastic
and
reduction
ordinance.
The
South
Carolina
Aquarium
has
experienced
a
frightening
increase
of
sea
turtles
coming
into
our
hospital
with
plastics
that
they've
ingested
in
our
hospital.
It's
it's
it's
it's.
It
is
frightening
how
how
quickly
those
have
increased.
AF
The
aquarium
has
a
litter
tracker
and
it's
been
providing
us
with
great
insights
into
what
is
polluting
our
local
environment
and
at
the
top
of
that
list
is
plastics,
and
the
majority
of
those
plastics
are
the
single-use
types
of
plastics
that
are
named
in
this
ordinance,
and
so
we
more
research
shows
that
legislation
of
this
type
works
to
reduce
this
type
of
litter.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AG
Yep,
okay
batteries,
Bernie
downtown
I
applaud
the
initiative
for
plastic
band.
I'm
Fonzie's
is
very
good,
but
he
said
you
have
an
issue
is
flood
and
development
in
this
city
and
once
again,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
you
provide
all
the
information
assessing
to
the
Kaveri
part.
We
are
going
to
be
given
a
mouse
to
give
the
information
for
the
growth
will
ever.
None
had
substantially
damaged
properties
as
a
result
of
the
last
three
flooding
events
and
you
are
missing
dozens
of
it.
Amputee
shoe
and
I
think
also.
AG
You
have
a
lack
of
budget
still
very
good
initiative.
You
are
finally,
maybe
creating
a
flood
department
with
your
storm,
water
and
flood
department.
Very
good
doesn't
mean
it
will
have
the
means
and
the
money
to
do
serious
work
and
cell
use
budget.
If
you
have
to
take
out
five
percent
of
your
budget
overall
you're
discussing
budget
now
for
the
city.
These
are
us,
as
far
as
what
is
flooding
and
flooding
infrastructure,
you've
developed
in
downtown.
We
are
along
the
Murray
Bovard,
it's
a
core
development
between
the
city
and
mr.
Murray
and
Roger.
AG
AH
And
so
my
dad
right
over
there
he's
a
terrible
guy,
absolutely
awful
a
really
really
mean
guy.
You
might
not
care
about
some
baby
sea
turtles,
but
if
I
think
that,
if
it
was
me
time,
you
would
care,
probably
not
my
sister
but.
E
D
AI
Think
you
will
so.
My
name
is
inna
simmerman
I'm
on
James
Island
and
in
late
July
three
of
us
wrote
a
17
page
letter
to
FEMA
SC
DNR,
a
scientist.
Do
we
laid
out
the
data
data
of
an
astounding
number
of
FEMA
non-compliance
issues,
illegal
variances,
violations
of
the
city's
own
ordinances,
state,
federal
building
code
violations,
issues
that
have
an
are
ongoing
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
17
pages
of
data
research
and
facts?
Facts
that
speak
for
themselves.
Facts
that
cannot
be
disputed.
Opinions
are
not
facts.
AI
Within
days
of
our
17
page
letter,
mayor,
Tec,
Lindberg,
put
on
a
hard
hat
and
went
on
the
local
TV
news
and
said
direct
quote
in
the
meantime.
I
can
assure
you
and
the
citizens
of
our
city
that
we
are
in
full
compliance
with
the
National
Flood
Insurance
Program.
When
provided
with
the
facts,
a
photo
op
was
staged.
AI
It
happened
within
a
few
weeks
of
our
on
August
30th
2018
mayor
tickle
berg
had
in
his
hands
a
letter
from
the
south
carolina
dnr,
and
it's
letter
stated
that
the
city
of
charleston
was
in
fact
in
non-compliance
with
National
Flood
Insurance
Program.
So
it
has
come
to
our
attention
that
this
letter
was
not
widely
shared
or
shared
at
all
with
city
council
time
and
I
will
leave
you
with
that,
and
also
with
my
opinion.
The
letter
is
in
there
as
well
as
more
facts.
AJ
I'm
Philip
Dustin
11
John's
island
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
where,
as
stormwater
flooding
as
a
product
of
over
development,
which
the
city
has
created
where,
as
residents
that
have
lived
their
entire
lifetimes,
are
now
getting
flooded
out
by
new
developments
sanctioned
by
the
city
of
Charleston,
they're
wells
going
dry,
their
septic
tank
septic
systems
failing
and
in
some
cases
their
houses
are
subsiding.
The
city
of
Charleston
keeps
allowing
more
deforestation
more
in
filling
more
impervious
surface
production.
In
the
quest
for
more
development,
the
water
balance
of
the
land
is
being
destroyed.
AJ
The
city
cannot
build
or
engineer
its
way
out
of
this
problem
as
long
as
it
keeps
allowing
it
to
continue
unabated.
Terrorism
is
defined
as
the
unlawful
use
of
violence
and
intimidation,
especially
against
civilians,
in
the
pursuit
of
political
aims
or
the
unnecessary
or
unjustified
destruction
of
the
environment
for
personal
or
corporate
gain.
AJ
AJ
AK
E
E
AM
Good
evening,
Lea
Ferrell
with
the
Preservation
Society
of
Charleston
I
just
want
to
address
two
things
really
quickly.
The
first
is
the
bill
that
amends
the
number
of
votes
required
by
Council
to
override
a
Planning
Commission
decision.
When
last
before
you,
the
council,
deferred
this
for
discussion
with
to
include
city
staff,
stakeholders,
Planning
Commission.
We
really
appreciated
being
part
of
that
discussion.
It
was
a
good
conversation.
We
thought
it
was
the
beginning
of
a
conversation,
so
we
were
really
surprised
to
see
it
on
the
agenda
tonight
and
we
do
not
support
this
as
proposed.
AM
The
second
item,
obviously,
is
the
creation
of
the
new
stormwater
management
department.
We're
pleased
to
see
the
city
take
this
important
step
forward
on
flood
mitigation
in
our
built
environment.
However,
we
do
ask
that
you
keep
a
watchful
eye
on
this
transition
to
ensure
the
creation
of
this
department
is
supported
by
an
action
plan,
thoughtful
deliverables,
qualified
staffing
and,
of
course,
really
thoughtful
coordination
with
city
planning
staff.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.
AN
You
know
Catherine
Carol,
also
at
the
Preservation
Society
of
Charleston.
The
Preservation
Society
is
supportive
of
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
Upper
Peninsula
zoning
district
to
strengthen
workforce
housing
requirements.
Our
city
needs
a
public
realm
that
benefits
from
the
height
and
density
bonuses
utilized
by
developers
in
the
U
P
district
and
affordability
is
top
priority.
The
proposal
is
a
proactive
step
toward
getting
workforce
housing
opportunities
in
this
district
where
they
need
to
be.
AN
AO
Hi
Pamela
Ferguson
I
commute
by
bike
over
the
Ashley
River
Bridge,
and
this
summer
I
decided
to
stop
maybe
once
a
week
or
so
and
pick
up
plastic
along
my
way.
Home
and
I've
never
had
to
bring
a
bag
with
me,
because
I've
even
able
to
just
pull
as
many
plastic
bags
out
of
the
marsh
as
I
need
to
fill
with
other
plastic
trash.
Just
by
doing
this
all
summer,
when
we
went
there
to
clean
up
for
the
beach
sweep
River
sweep,
we
pulled
out
dozens
of
plastic
bag,
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
pieces
of
styrofoam.
D
AP
Justin
Ferrara,
a
member
of
the
West
Ashley
revitalization
commission,
with
four
councilmen
and
CEO
of
the
same
group,
real
estate,
investment
and
development
firm
and
a
member
of
Surfrider
as
well
had
a
lot
of
experts
talk
to
you
about
scientific
ecosystems,
but
we
also
have
an
economy
which
is
an
ecosystem
as
well
of
consumers
and
suppliers
and
Charleston.
As
you
enter
says,
it's
an
all-american
city
and
the
harbor
speaks
to
that
as
well.
People
come
here
and
demand
clean
waters,
beautiful
buildings
and
in
West
ash
they're
trying
to
drive
revitalization.
AP
You
don't
do
that
with
tumbleweeds.
They
look
cool
in
John,
Wayne
movies,
but
when
they're
permanent
never
go
away
the
drive
folks
off
as
long
as
well
as
investment
I
think
last
Tuesday
folks
spoke
and
told
you
know
the
electorate
spoke
and
said:
we
don't
want
oil
in
our
oceans.
We
don't
want
plastic
bags
either
I
asked
for
you
all
to
be
pioneers,
don't
be
an
asterisk.
This
will
pass,
it
may
pass
tonight.
It
may
pass
in
a
year
it'll
pass
unanimously,
so
I'd
be
pioneers
and
step
up
and
get
that
done
tonight.
Thank
you.
AQ
Hello,
I'm
Colleen
Condon
I'm,
president
of
the
Alliance,
for
full
acceptance,
which
is
a
gay
rights
organization
here
in
Charleston.
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
the
hate
crimes.
Ordinance
that's
being
proposed
tonight.
I
think
it
is
a
wonderful
step
forward
to
show
that
in
the
in
the
holy
city,
we're
looking
out
for
each
other
and
making
sure
to
take
these
that
matter
seriously.
AQ
D
A
A
A
My
question
you
probably
just
going
on
microphone
my
question.
You
talked
about
plastic
and
then
at
the
very
end
you
made
a
comment
that
the
plant-
you,
you
didn't
just
say:
plastic
bag.
She
said
plastic
most
of
the
time.
At
the
end,
you
said
plastic
bags.
What
did
you
mean
by
that?
What
was
the
context
of
that
state?
So.
AF
I
believe
you're,
referring
to
the
litter
tracker.
So
there
are
members
of
this
citizen
science
app
when
they
pick
up
litter.
They
enter
the
debris
type
into
this
litter
tracker
and
there,
if
you
are
looking
at
a
pie,
chart
the
biggest
piece
of
the
pie
is
plastics.
If
you
break
down
that
biggest
piece
of
the
pie,
it's
overwhelming
the
the
majority
of
that
pie
or
piece
of
the
pie
is
single-use
plastics,
which
include
plastic
bags,
styrofoam
and
straws,
which
are
it's.
AF
It's
not
it,
it
is
I
mean
bottles
and
bottle
caps
and
food.
Wrappers
are
very,
very
high
numbers,
but
it's
a
little
more
difficult
to
ban
plastic
water
bottles
or
any
kind
of
drink
bottle
and
food
wrappers
than
it
is
to
ban
straws.
The
couldn't
start
from
containers
and
bags
and
I
did
I
actually
pulled
some
numbers
from
that
litter-free
digital
journal
and
just
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
AF
Since
we
have
had
this
app,
there
have
been-
and
that's
maybe
close
to
two
years,
not
quite
two
years,
but
four
hundred
and
fifty
seven
bags
have
been
found
just
in
the
city
of
Charleston
and
that's
a
fraction
of
what
is
out
there
not
being
found
or
what
is
being
picked
up
and
taught
and
thrown
away
during
litter
sweeps
that
are
not
tracked
as
part
of
the
litter
free
digital
journal.
So
I'm
not
sure
where
the
number
that
you're
getting
from
but
but
but
we
are.
A
I'm
just
trying
to
quantify
it
because,
what's
my
understanding
of
the
real
plastic
problem,
the
big
plastic
problem
comes
from
clothing,
that,
as
the
polyester
and
other
types
of
fabrics
are
washed
that
that
comes
out
and
that's
the
microscopic
top
of
stuff
that
sits
out
there.
That's
really
doing
a
lot
of
damage,
the
other
one
is
the
stuff
that
goes
into
tires.
It's
on
roads,
that's
again
a
huge
polluter
of
that
that's
correct.
AF
AF
A
A
P
Well,
let
me
let
me
give
you
some
of
the
data
so
that
the
citadel
has
done
a
bunch
of
good
research
on
this
and
they
took
the
beach
we
from
the
National
Beach
Weaver
sweep
data
and
what
they
do.
It
has
parsed
it
out
by
the
types
of
materials
they
were
finding
and
I
said
what
I
said
was
by
far
the
most.
What
we
find
is
largely
plastic
convenience
items
and
that
bears
out
in
the
citadel's
research
as
well.
You
find
plastic
bottles,
bottle
caps,
food,
wrappers,
styrofoam
and
plastic
bags.
P
So
this
is
the
five
most
common
types
of
plastic
debris
on
our
waterways,
based
on
research
from
the
Citadel
I
can
tell
you,
too,
that
we
seem
to
be
a
bit
of
a
hot
spot
for
styrofoam
the
scientists
even
have
a
name
for
it.
They
call
it
the
sweet
tea
effect.
We
like
our
sweet
tea
and
a
lot
of
times
to
come
and
that
neck
in
that
Styrofoam
cup
and
I
can
tell
you
sort
of
anecdotally
too
and
anecdotally.
Anecdotally.
You
know
we
do
find
a
lot
of
styrofoam
here
it.
P
It
breaks
apart
real
easily
into
little
pieces
and
just
to
follow
up
too
quick.
The
the
Citadel
research
also
looked
at
how
quickly
that
material
breaks
down
and
what
they
found
was
rather
striking.
I
think
there's
been
this
misconception,
that
plastic
debris
sort
of
exists
forever
in
the
environment
and
doesn't
break
down,
but
those
bottles
bottle
caps
bags
styrofoam.
All
of
that
four
to
six
weeks
is
what
the
Citadel
research
found
before
it
started
to
shed
into
micro
plastics
and
that's
why
it's
either?
P
A
AR
All
right,
a
couple
weeks
ago,
I
talked
to
you,
and
we
talked
in
front
of
our
friends
that
Brecht
committee,
we
talked
fear
they're,
passing
out
the
little
package
that
they're
going
to
show
you
on
the
film
the
slide
presentation.
It
was
going
to
originally
be
by
dr.
Rob
Perry,
who
did
from
Clemson,
who
actually
did
the
economic
impact
statement
on
this
Wellness
Center
applauding
Center,
but
since
I've
not
seen
this
particular
set
of
slides.
If
you
would
allow
me
I'd
like
to
introduce
to
you,
mr.
AR
AT
AT
While
we
there,
we
go
mr.
mayor
council.
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
Peter
LaMotte
I'm
senior
vice
president
of
Chernov
Newman,
that's
based
here
in
the
city
of
Charleston
Times
brief.
So
I
apologize,
my
speed
and
presenting
this.
We
have
the
team
who
can
answer
all
your
specific
questions.
But
what
I'm
here
to
discuss
is
the
South
Carolina
Aquatic
and
wellness
complex,
it's
a
mouthful
to
say
so.
Let
me
say
it
this
way.
AT
It's
a
wellness
complex
helping
to
improve
the
lives
of
those
who
walk
through
the
doors,
but
it's
more
than
just
a
facility
with
a
few
pools.
It
will
provide
the
region
with
a
training
facility
for
first
responders
for
the
military
and
search
and
rescue
you
don't
practice
in
one
of
those
helicopters.
You
practice
in
one
of
these
kinds
of
facilities.
It
will
support
the
region's
medical,
centers
and
rehabilitation
physical
therapy
facilities.
It's
also
supporting
an
emerging
medical
field
of
aquatic
therapy.
AT
It
will
provide
training
to
those
in
the
area
who
may
just
save
your
life
one
day.
So,
let's
talk
about
what
you
do
expect
competitive
swim
means
there
will
be
competitive,
swim
means,
but
not
just
local.
This
will
appeal
and
attract
to
a
national
international
audience
and
competitions.
The
facility
will
be
of
the
size
in
which
it
provides
local
businesses.
Excuse
me
organizations
and
private
parties,
the
space
of
practically
any
type
of
event
and
I.
AT
Think,
arguably,
in
the
most
important,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
school
age
programs
weekend
summer
camps
or
will
be
a
staple
of
this
facility
and
bring
water
safety
and
swimming
lessons
to
those
in
this
region
that
need
it.
Let's
talk
about
our
timeline
next
year
in
the
following
year
will
be
dedicated
to
bringing
the
design
to
life
permitting
and
studies
fundraising
for
the
additional
capital
will
be
needed
to
begin
development
in
2021
that
will
create
nearly
200
jobs
in
the
area
by
2022
by
2023.
AT
The
facility
will
be
operational,
bringing
400
jobs
to
the
area
in
the
community
by
2026,
when
the
facility
is
fully
operational.
It
will
create
over
500
jobs
for
the
area
residents
and
attract
over
50,000
visitors.
This
is
a
wholly
new
type
of
tourist
above
and
beyond.
What
we
are
traditionally
accustomed
to
having
here
in
Charleston.
AT
What
you
see
listed
is
just
a
few
of
the
reasons
why
national
and
international
level
aquatic
associations
will
jump
at
the
chance
to
host
events
at
this
facility
beyond
the
reasons
that
make
us
already
a
top
global
destination.
This
facility
is
uniquely
located
to
what
is
now
an
international
airport,
a
true
international
airport
and
just
adjacent
to
regional
access
via
526,
but
it
has
the
space
to
accommodate
larger
events
that
do
not
disrupt
the
county
city
or
neighborhood.
AU
Okay
I,
my
name
is
Robert
Kerry.
My
research
is
researcher
at
the
Clemson
University
economic
Regional,
Economic,
Analysis
laboratory
and
actually
did
the
input
impact
analysis
for
this
this
aquatic
facility,
and
so
we
can
look
at
some
of
these
impacts
that
we've
found.
We
actually
you
ran
this
using
the
remy
model,
which
is
basically
the
Cadillac
of
economic
impact
models
and
what
the
what
we
ran
it
on
was
the
first
of
all
the
construction,
which
is
a
50
million
dollar
whoa.
AU
It's
something:
okay,
the
construction,
which
is
a
50
million
dollar
investment
over
five
years
and
then
that
in
itself
is
gonna,
have
an
economic
impact,
then
further
above
this
once
the
facility
is
completed
in
2023
and
gets
fully
going
about
2026.
When
you
have
all
these
events
coming
in
then
you're
gonna
have
not
only
your
operational,
which
is
your
wages,
salaries
and
not
know
about
personal
spending
and
your
normal,
going
going
capital
expenditures
to
upgrade
and
maintain
equipment,
but
probably,
most
importantly,
for
that
con
the
impact
you're
gonna.
AU
Have
these
visitors
coming
in
and
Charleston
is
uniquely
situated
to
be
able
to
capitalize
on
these,
because
the
tourism
infrastructure
is
already
in
place
for
the
city
to
take
to
be
able
to
enjoy
that
so
countywide
we
have
a
60
million
dollar
annual
economic
impact,
projected
I
starting
in
2026
after
everything's
completed
and
then
ramped
up
and
the
employment
impacts
about
five
hundred
and
thirty
six
new
jobs
within
the
within
the
county
and
I'll.
Look
at
the
here.
We
look
at
the
city
versus
the
counting
numbers.
The
orange
lines
are
the
city
numbers.
AU
Here
we
have
jobs,
which
is
the
employment
impact.
Additional
jobs
created
the
economic
impact,
which
is
the
output
or
total
sales
for
the
for
the
region,
and
that's
the
dollar
value
of
all
the
goods
and
services
sold
in
each
year
and
then,
of
course,
the
net
government
revenue.
You
talk
about
each
one
in
turn,
the
again
the
orange
line
is
the
city
of
Charleston,
and
you
can
see
when
the
facility
first
starts
operating
in
2023.
You
have
about
a
250
Inc
job
impact.
AU
Well,
once
all
their
events
get
full
till
and
really
going
you
about
330.
In
the
city
and
then
at
the
county
level,
which
includes
the
city
by
the
way,
the
blue
line
is
the
county
which
includes
the
city
and
all
of
these.
So
keep
that
in
mind
it's
why,
by
2026,
have
over
500
jobs
being
created
the
economic
impact,
the
the
dollar
impact?
There
is
60
million
dollars,
like
we
said
by
2026,
largely
from
the
tourism
and
then,
of
course,
the
rubber
government
revenue.
AU
We
estimated
the
government
revenue
economic
activity,
creates
both
costs
and
benefits
to
the
to
the
local
area,
the
the
cost.
Obviously
you
know
tourists
open
additional
demand
on
infrastructure.
You
need
Public
Safety,
that
sort
of
thing,
but
obviously
the
benefits,
the
cut.
The
increases
in
revenue
come
from
additional
tax
revenue,
sales,
taxes,
hospitality
that
access
sort
of
thing-
and
so
you
see
there
is
a
positive
net
impact
on
revenue.
So
you
have
about
a
five
hundred
thousand
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
impact
on
revenue
in
2023
and
continuing
through
2026
in
each
year.
Countywide
is
larger.
AU
1.2
million
again
that's,
including
the
city
of
Charleston
and,
of
course
statewide
you
have.
The
impact
there
is
is
for
the
state
government
is
around
about
$700,000
and
so
melow
a
what
point
out.
One
thing
you
may
notice
there,
the
the
jobs
impact
and
local
economic
impact
for
the
state
is
slightly
smaller
than
the
county.
That's
because
Charleston
will
be
drawing
some
people
in
from
other
parts
of
state,
so
you
have
some
displacement
taking
place
there.
AU
So
that's
just
that's
why
that's
a
little
bit
smaller,
but
is
a
net
gain
to
Charleston,
definitely
and
also
to
the
state
overall,
by
the
way
the
net
government
revenue
does
include
about
ninety
thousand
dollar
impact
on
hospitality,
tax
within
the
city
and
$190,000
city,
accommodations
taxes,
so
those
are
included
in
the
net
government
revenue
as
well,
so
tourism
impact
is
non-local
visitors.
These
are
people
who
come
in
more
than
a
two-hour
drive
to
drive
from
outside
of
Charleston
who's,
the
ones
they
be
coming
in
to
spending
their
money.
AU
Some
of
them
may
be
within
state,
but
a
lot
of
them
from
out
of
state-
and
you
see
here
about
almost
half
or
maybe
a
little
over
half
are
actually
out
of
state
visitation,
and
so
this
is
the
these
are
the
people.
Actually,
this
is
a
true
import
or
export,
rather
you're,
actually
selling
goods
and
services
to
people
that
live
outside
the
area,
bringing
funding
into
the
area.
AU
AU
Direct
spending
about
thirty
three
point:
eight
million
dollars
per
year-
that's
including
spending
on
lodging
food,
dining
out
transportation
and
entertainment,
while
they're
here,
and
so
all
these
impacts
actually
generated
a
substantial
positive
impact
to
the
to
the
local
economy
within
the
city
and
the
county,
as
well
as
a
positive
net
fiscal
impact
as
well.
Thank
you.
AT
This
will
be
located
in
West
Ashley,
we're
currently
looking
at
locations
near
and
adjacent
to
Citadel
mall
we're
in
negotiations
already
to
discuss
potential
sites,
but
the
project
falls
right
in
the
sweet
spot
of
the
West
Ashley
and
Citadel
mall
area
revitalization
plan,
but
also
into
the
county
and
cities
plan
that
is
practical
and
smart.
So
it
also
has
the
benefit
of
supporting
the
opportunity
for
more
TIF
funded
development
projects.
AT
It
brings
tourism,
it
adds
I,
should
say
tourism
beyond
just
the
peninsula,
as
I
mentioned,
it
isn't
pure
alignment
at
the
core
of
this
project.
It
is
an
economic
engine
for
West
Ashley.
It
has
the
ripple
effect
of
bringing
more
tax
dollars
and
more
revenue
to
the
area.
The
project
falls
directly
in
line
with
the
plan:
West
Ashley
initiative,
specifically
3486
116
and
117,
addressing
community
improvement,
Citadel
mall
area,
revitalization,
financial
stimulus
in
the
construction
of
a
venue
for
national
level.
AT
Events
talk
about
funding
and
budget
where
the
funding
would
come
from
50%
of
it
from
city
and
government
25%
from
state
government
and
the
remaining
25%
from
private
and
corporate
pathways.
What
I
believe
is
more
notable
if
you
look
at
our
projections
will
be
a
break-even
on
operation
by
year.
Three,
so
it's
important
because
it
shows
the
facility
will
not
be
a
tax
burden
shortly
after
its
launch.
But
please
keep
in
mind
these
numbers
at
the
bottom.
Do
not
consider
the
programs
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
as
well
as
corporate
sponsorship,.
AT
Finally,
just
a
quick
summary:
sixty
million
dollars
in
economic
impact
based
on
that
economic
impact
study
that
was
just
presented
that
sixty
million
dollars
per
year,
new
government
revenue
stream
over
five
hundred
and
thirty
six
new
jobs,
ranging
from
management
level,
jobs
all
the
way
down
to
new
career
path,
skill
based
jobs,
it's
an
alignment
with
the
revitalization
of
West
Ashley.
It
will
bring
televised
events
here
to
the
low
country
and
what
I
believe
is
very
important.
AT
AV
Thank
you
Peter,
and
it's
always
such
a
pleasure
to
be
here
just
a
couple
of
comments,
because
I
know
you
have
a
long
night
in
store
and
I'm
gonna
go
home
and
eat
dinner.
This
is
profound
innovation.
We
haven't
done
anything
like
this.
This
is
an
innovation
and
it
provides
an
identity
for
West
Ashley.
We
bring
new
types
of
aquatics
and
levels
of
aquatics
that
we
simply
cannot
even
fathom
right
now,
because
we
have
nothing
that
can
accommodate.
This
is
a
facility
that
will
be
open
seven
days
a
week,
major
hours.
AV
You
know
12
14
hours
a
day,
because
that's
what
these
types
of
types
of
facilities
need
and
that's
the
demand,
as
opposed
to
our
current
model,
which
is
now
bring
affluent
tourists
to
Charleston,
have
them
eat
in
our
fine
restaurants,
stay
in
our
fine
hotels
to
go
to
the
plantations
shop
on
King
Street.
This
provides
a
whole
new
mix,
keeping
those
people
for
the
most
part
out
of
downtown.
We
need
to
refresh
our
tourism
models
from
time
to
time,
and
this
is
a
great
means
of
doing
that.
This
is
what
growing
healthy
communities
have.
AV
We
are
a
thriving
community
where
internet
and
international
community-
and
this
speaks
to
those
the
level
to
which
Charleston
has
risen.
This
takes
an
incredible
asset
off
of
the
burden
of
the
city.
If
the
city
assists
in
construction
of
this
they've
relieved
themselves
of
a
major
recreational
amenities
that
they
have
to
build
in
West
Ashley
at
some
point,
they
don't
have
to
own
it.
They
don't
have
to
manage
it.
They
don't
have
70
plus
employees
on
their
payroll
and
it
reaps
tremendous
benefits.
AV
Public/Private
partnerships
are
becoming
the
new
reality
of
how
big
things
get
done,
and
we
look
at
that
right
here
with
most
recently
with
the
low
line
with
the
parks,
Conservancy,
others
type
things
in
Charleston
that
have
taken
off
in
recent
years.
Nonprofits
like
ours,
take
the
burden
off
staff
because
we
do
the
work.
We
bring
the
expertise
to
the
table,
those
of
you
who
have
been
around
for
a
little
while
you
know
what
the
50
year
test
is.
If
we
do
this
well-
and
we
do
it
now-
it
absolutely
meets
the
50
year
test.
AV
Remember
Charleston
place
was
supposed
to
be
a
drive-up
Holiday
Inn,
and
we
see
what
that
has
done
for
us,
I
realize
this
is
intimidating
to
some
people.
You
might
not
really
understand
what
I'm
talking
about
if
you've
never
seen
one
of
these
facilities
or
attended
or
have
any
interest
in
the
water
we're
taking
great
care
to
be
transparent
and
to
be
honest
and
provide
a
high
level
of
expertise
as
we
move
forward
with
development.
Please
ask
your
questions.
We
are
happy
to
answer.
We
have
a
great
team,
including
an
Olympian
on
our
board
of
directors.
AV
We
all
know
what
we're
doing
and
we're
really.
We
would
love
to
kick
this
off
and
get
it
going.
We
will
need
a
little
bit
of
a
ramp
up
cycle
because
the
bid
meets
the
cycle
for
bidding
on
meets,
takes
a
couple
of
years
to
get
into
that
cycle.
We're
asking
for
substan
funding
from
the
symphony
for
the
city
this
year
to
jumpstart
this
project,
jumpstart
the
TIF
and
bring
a
huge
asset
to
the
community,
and
this
has
great
merit
to
South
Carolina
as
a
whole.
AV
AL
It
I
just
want
to
echo
a
couple
things
that
have
been
included
in
the
presentation
and
customer
Widener's
comments.
If
you
read
Sunday's
newspaper,
it
was
a
very
moving
article
about
a
woman
who
got
motivated
because
her
son
had
drowned
and
one
of
the
great
tragedies
of
all
that
is
that
we
don't
have
enough
facilities
to
educate
and
provide
swimming
lessons
for
young
people,
and
so
we
are
adequately
we're
terribly
inadequately
equipped
around
the
tri-county
area
with
swimming
opportunities
and
we've
live
in
a
city,
that's
surrounded
by
the
ocean
and
by
many
rivers.
AL
AV
Just
take
15
seconds
a
17
foot
dive
tank
with
full
diving
facilities.
That's
way
more
than
just
simply
lure
people
learning
how
to
dive.
Do
you
have
any
idea
what
that
would
do
for
our
water
rescue
teams?
We
have
no
deep
water
anywhere,
the
deepest
we
can
get
it's
about
eight
feet
at
MLK
pool
six
meters
by
six
meters,
eight
feet
deep
with
a
17
foot
tank
and
a
lot
of
expanse.
A
Have
a
question
as
well:
so
I
just
wanted
to
go
on
record
as
supporting
this
thing.
When
you
look
at
it
and
I've
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it.
This
is
obviously
not
the
first
time
I've
seen
it
and
you
look
at
the
plan.
That's
been
laid
out
for
the
senator
ball
or
the
epic
center
as
it's
now,
supposedly
one
of
the
things
that
mr.
Davis
is
planning
over.
There
is
a
whole
complex
around
I
call
them
club
sports,
whether
it
be
cheerleading
competition,
ping-pong
volleyball.
A
My
son
calls
it
a
$1,000
a
weekend
addiction,
because
these
two
kids
tribal
greensburg,
you
talked
about
Greensboro
Greenville,
Atlanta,
Tupelo
Mississippi
for
crying
out
loud.
One
of
the
largest
swimming
events
in
the
southeast
is
in
Tupelo
Mississippi
and
all
of
this
stuff.
Every
weekend,
they're
going
somewhere
and
doing
this
and
I
just
see
the
connection
between
what
mr.
A
Davis
is
planning
at
the
circle
mall,
and
this
and
last
week,
Medical
University
announced
we
had
a
groundbreaking
or
a
grand
opening
of
there's
going
to
be
about
500
MUSC
jobs
in
the
old
JC
Penney
building
there.
Instead
of
them
all
it's
going
to
be
all
kinds
of
clinics,
outpatient
surgery
and
stuff,
like
that,
the
doctor,
that's
and
also
across
the
street,
in
the
South
Park
building
they're
projecting
about
1,500
employees
from
the
Munich
Medical
University,
a
lot
of
their
back
office
and
calyx
and
stuff
like
that
will
be
there.
A
The
doctor
told
me
that
they
expect
to
have
2,000
MUSC
employees
in
that
arena
fairly
soon.
I
think
it's
a
couple
years
to
get
that
clinic,
but
at
any
rate,
this
is
an
opportunity
to
add
to
that
and
all
of
a
sudden
we
start
getting
this,
this
critical
mass,
that
we
need
to
take
that
tip
or
cause
that
TIF
to
really
launch,
and
then
we
can
come
in
and
get
the
highways
and
streets
the
sidewalks
and
on
all
the
other
stuff
that
we're
going
to
be
required
to
do.
The
last
point
I
would
make
is.
A
Councilmember
Waring
asked
several
months
ago
for
some
data
on
the
hospitality
and
the
accommodations
tax
I.
Think
since
its
inception,
the
number
was
300
million
dollars
that
have
come
in
to
the
city
of
Charleston
through
that
my
proposal
would
be
that
we
take
and
if
we,
if
we
borrowed
30
million
dollars
at
4%
over
a
20
year
period,
the
annual
pay
back
on
that
would
be
about
two
million
two
hundred
dollars
and
that
would
get
us
thirty
million
dollars.
A
And
if
we
got
that
30
million
dollars
that
accommodations
tax
of
2.2
million
dollars
would
very
easily
pay
for
that.
So
that's
where
I
see
the
money
coming
from
I
think
that
we
can
probably
get
five
million
dollars
or
so
from
the
county,
maybe
ten
million
from
the
state
and
because
all
of
those
are
players
in
this
thing
and
then
the
other
five
million
dollars
to
get
us
to
the
50
million
dollars
would
have
to
be
raised.
But
I
think
it's
a
doable
deal
and
I.
Think
it's
a
huge
impact
to
our
community.
A
AW
Hope
we
all
concentrate
on
the
piece
about
being
an
economic
development
project
for
so
long.
So
you
all
who
have
been
on
council
for
decades.
Our
senior
person
is
council.
Member
Luis,
I
know
he's
heard
this,
because
I've
heard
it
too
in
the
period
of
time,
I
was
him
that
to
spend
tourism
dollars,
West
Ashley,
you
have
to
have
a
project
to
spend
enough
and
that
presentation
on
the
tourism
dollars
was
of
about
three
hundred
and
five
million
dollars
of
which,
over
that
almost
eighteen
year
period
of
time,
five
million
was
spent
West
Ashley.
AW
We
also
have
heard
getting
tourists
off
the
peninsula.
This
accomplishes
that
and
for
this
development
to
be
in
around
the
Citadel
mall,
we
have
to
infrastructure.
It.
We've
got
five
lane
Sam
rittenberg
Boulevard,
most
of
which
is
in
the
tip.
We've
got
five
lanes
savanna
highway.
We've
got
five
twenty
six
that
sweeps
around
the
back.
If
that
mall
property
was
vacant
and
that
acreage
available,
it
would
be
one
of
the
most
valuable
real
estate
land
available
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina
West
Ashley.
We
have
over
a
hundred
thousand
people,
including
those
in
the
county.
AW
Council,
former
council
woman
Wilson
has
done
a
wonderful
job,
including
and
I
should
let
her
speak
to
this,
but
the
state
county.
She
did
not
speak
about
some
of
the
hospitals
that
may
be
interested
in
this
therapy,
Medical
University,
which
will
be
a
part
of
this
campus.
As
you
know,
mr.
mayor
you've
actually
helped
to
cut
the
ribbon
on
the
outpatient
facility.
That's
gonna
be
placed
in
the
form
of
JC
Penney's
locations.
We
talk
about
healthy
living
communities.
Wellness
leads
there.
AW
There
is
not
a
facility
like
this
anywhere
in
the
low
country,
even
what's
proposed
without
friends
and
I,
say
this
sincerely
with
our
friends
up
in
North
Charleston.
You
know
I
hope
to
ceiling
like
this.
The
facility
that
comes
closest
to
this
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina
Annie,
you
all
have
been
to
the
Strom
Thurmond
Wellness
Center
up
and
at
the
University
of
South
Carolina
campus.
If
you
need
a
GPS,
is
on
the
corner
of
Jerry
and
blossom,
it
is
a
wonderful,
wonderful
facility,
wonderful
facility.
AW
AW
Creates
jobs
and
it
would
be
if
we
can
find
interconnectivity
mr.
Lindsey
from
st.
Francis's
campus
and
the
Waring
Senior
Center
Savage
Road
potentially
could
be
a
connectivity
to
the
Citadel
mall
area.
So
it
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
areas
in
need
of
revitalization
and
if
you
all,
may
have
a
feeling.
I
am
don't
support
this
one
right
here.
So
thank
you.
Mister.
You
thank.
AV
D
AV
AY
D
AV
D
D
So
speaking
of
economic
impact,
there's
one
organization
in
our
community
that
has
an
economic
impact
of
ten
and
a
half
billion
dollars
a
year-
that's
Joint,
Base,
Charleston
and
and
councilmember
moody.
Your
prayer
this
evening
was
really
beautiful
and
gave
tribute
to
our
veterans.
Not
only
those
who
have
served
before,
but
those
who
are
currently
serving
in
our
armed
forces
and
I
have
the
distinct
pleasure
of
attending
the
transfer
of
command.
Just
a
couple
of
months
ago,
at
Joint
Base
Charleston
and
had
the
pleasure
to
meet
the
new
commander.
D
AZ
How's
everybody
doing
tonight
all
right,
so
three
things
first,
thank
you
is
thank
you
for
public
service.
I
know
this
is
a
hard
business
that
you
all
did
on
this
endeavor
and
his
journey
to
make
Charleston
a
better
place,
and
that
takes
the
government.
So
thank
you
for
your
leadership,
each
one
of
you
all
for
participating
this
and
I
know
it's
it's
tough
business.
AZ
Also,
thank
you
all
for
the
support
you
give
the
men
and
women
who
living
in
this
community
right,
I
couldn't
able
to
do
my
job
without
people
coming
to
work
happy
and
they
get
happiness
by
the
things
that
you
all
do
and
the
things
that
you
all
provide
as
city
government
and
also
a
city
leadership,
and
then
the
third.
Thank
you
just
thank
you
for
honoring
the
veterans.
Thank
you
for
honoring
me.
AZ
Giving
me
an
opportunity
to
speak,
but,
more
importantly,
the
mayor
stopped
on
the
side
of
the
road
and
waited
for
my
formation
to
come
through
and
then
joined
us
and
walk
the
rest
of
the
way
and
I
want
to
just
probably
thank
him
in
front
of
you.
All
and
I
also
took
time
to
take
pictures.
I
mean
I,
had
a
lot
of
people's
soldiers
and
sailors,
and
also
some
some
airmen
that
were
there
each
one
of
them
wanted
a
picture
with
the
mayor
and
I
felt
that
love
and
warmth.
AZ
From
the
first
day
that
I
met
the
mayor
and
it's
been
a
beautiful
transition
for
me
to
come
here
to
Charleston
I'm.
Only
on
my
second
month
and
I
got
news.
You
know
two
storms
under
my
belt,
and
so
now
people
are
calling
me
the
the
hurricane
magnet
because
I've
been
here,
but
I
just
want
to
come
in
and
just
say.
Thank
you.
I
also
want
to
talk
about
partnership
students.
We
welcome
partnerships
to
public
and
private
partnerships
on
the
base
as
well.
AZ
I
think
that's
one
way
that
we
can
come
together
in
a
lot
of
different
areas
and
I
would
look
forward
to
working
with
you
all
on
that
as
well
and
as
I
am
a
person
who
will
probably
hear
beer
for
about
eight
months
18
months
to
two
years.
I
see
bass,
Charleston
is
your
base,
it
is
in
your
community.
I
am
a
visitor.
I
am
happy
to
hold
the
mantle
while
I'm
there,
but
it
is
your
community.
AZ
D
Thank
you
for
your
incredible
service
and
Colonel
Adams
as
a
very
humble
guy,
maybe
come
from
a
small
town,
but
he's
a
computer
scientist
and
has
more
degrees
than
you
can
put
on.
Both
my
hands
he's
a
really
smart
guy
and
he
is
a
commander
not
only
of
Joint
Base
Charleston,
but
also
of
the
628
Air
Base
Wing,
all
those
c-17
you
see
flying
in
the
air,
so
he
has
an
incredible
career
serving
in
our
Air
Force
and
a
Colonel
Rhodes
was
so
glad
to
have
you
in
Charleston
and
part
of
our
community.
D
No
sir
you're,
not
a
visitor
here,
you're
at
home
here,
and
we
welcome
you.
God
bless
you.
So
next
is
a
report
from
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
and
the
committee
met
on
November
1st
on
serve
as
chairman
of
the
committee
and
it's
a
just
an
advisory
committee.
We
had
just
two
items
on
the
agenda.
One
was
an
update
on
our
sea
level
rise
strategy
which
mark
Wilbert
led
us
in
which
would
basically
tell
you
there's
more
to
come
and
and
we'll
have
a
more
full
update
on
the
sea
level
rise
strategy.
D
This
matter
came
before
the
committee
two
or
three
months
ago
and
even
though
the
committee
members
were
supportive,
they
decided
that
we
wanted
to
have
a
little
or
outreach
to
the
community
and
that's
just
what
Katie
McCain
has
done
over
the
last
few
months,
in
addition
to
the
outreach
that
was
done
by
the
city
a
couple
of
years
ago.
So
if
it
pleases
Council,
miss
McCain
can
give
us
a
brief
presentation.
It'll
only
be
about
five
minutes
about
the
ordinance
and
what's
included,
and
then
we
can
take
up
the
matter.
Mr.
king
Katie.
BA
One
of
the
big
reasons
why
we
want
to
support
this
ordinance
is
because
we're
trying
to
remove
those
common
items
that
are
picked
up
in
sweeps
regularly.
Just
as
Charles
Waterkeeper
mentioned,
plastic
bags
and
polystyrene
are
those
top
items.
So
this
ordinance
really
it
does
a
few
things.
It
protects
our
environment
and
our
marine
life.
Of
course
it's
protecting
our
tourism
economy
and
all
those
organizations
and
businesses
who
depend
on
our
tourism
economy.
It's
protecting
the
livability
of
our
city
for
litter
and
trash
purposes,
and
it's
protecting
our
human
health.
BA
What
do
I
mean
by
that?
So
it
microplastics
when
they
get
in
the
water
and
they
break
down.
You
can
see
this
this
example.
This
is
an
image
from
the
aquarium
how
these
micro
plastics
get
into
fish
over
time
and
they've
actually
been
found
in
humans
now.
So
this
is
where
it's
starting
to
affect
our
human,
health
and
and
now
I'll,
give
you
a
brief
summary
of
the
ordinance.
So
the
ordinance
is
actually
modeled
after
local
nearby
ordinances,
so
mal,
cousin
and
Polly,
so
very
similar
items
are
in
there.
BA
So
basically,
it's
a
regulation
on
single-use
plastic
bags,
polystyrene
and
plastic
foam
products
and
plastic
straws,
there's
a
multitude
of
exemptions
that
are
in
the
ordinance
and
they're
very
similar
to
other
local
ordinances,
such
as
your
newspaper
bags
and
silverware.
For
example.
You
can
also
request
an
exemption
at
any
time,
so
if
there's
something
we
missed
or
something
special,
that's
something
you
can
request
now.
It's
important
to
note
this
ordinance
once
it
is
once
if
it
were
approved,
it
would
go
into,
have
actually
has
an
effective
date
of
one
year
after
approval.
BA
So
there'd
be
a
whole
year
that
was
purposely
built
in
so
we
could
help
businesses
with
the
transition
and
you
could
actually
request
an
additional
year,
so
there's
actually
an
option
for
if
a
business
has
an
extended
circumstance
that
they
can
show
a
hardship
and
request
an
additional
year.
So
so
we
have
at
least
one
year
for
the
transition,
if
not
more
so,.
BA
We
actually
did
a
survey
back
in
2016
when
we
first
started
talking
about
this.
To
make
sure
this
was
something
our
residents
and
our
businesses
wanted
to
do
and
our
results
were
alarming.
We
received
over
5,000
responses,
222
those
were
from
businesses
and
everybody.
It
was
vastly
supportive
of
a
ban.
They
were
less
supportive
of
a
fee
on
bags,
but
very
supportive
of
a
ban.
BA
So
we
so
we
took
those
results
and-
and
we
had
created
this-
this
ordinance-
that's
in
Fernie
today
now
when
we
took
this
to
the
resiliency
and
sustainability
committee
in
September,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
this
was
an
opportunity
for
the
committee.
We
just
wanted
to
do.
One
last
really
big
push
to
businesses
and
particularly
restaurants,
so
we
actually
posted
the
ordinance
on
our
website.
We
shared
it
in
every
place.
We
possibly
could
the
news
picked
it
up.
We
have
it.
BA
It
went
out
in
email
blasts
through
the
Restaurant
Association
shared
some
great
feedback
with
us
and
we
had
a
feedback
form
on
the
website.
So,
in
the
last
three
weeks
we've
actually
received
over
815
results
from
this
survey,
and
you
can
see.
113
of
them
were
from
businesses
and
they
were
98.5
percent
positive,
so
very,
very
few
negative
comments
and
actually
a
lot
of
the
negative
comments.
We
were
actually
able
to
take
their
their
input
and
revise
the
ordinance
accordingly,
because
there
was
actually
some
really
great
feedback
that
we
received.
BA
So
just
some
more
data
for
you,
a
Folly
Beach
Surfrider
does
a
lot
of
cleanups
and
the
last.
This
is
some
data
from
them
on
folly,
beach,
showing
how
local
ordinances
really
do
work,
and
this
is
data
from
folly
beach,
showing
pre
ordinance
pick
up
versus
post
ordinance
pick
up
so
so,
like
I,
said,
there's
this
massive
transition
period,
we
have
had
all
kinds
of
organizations
volunteer
to
donate
resources.
Donate
time
do
business
roundtables
we
can
help
whoever
needs
hel
and
really.
This
is
a
behavioral
changes.
BA
Is
helping
people
really
really
try
to
shift
their
behavior?
So
we
have
this
your
transition.
We
can
make
changes
on
the
ordinance.
Should
something
go
wrong?
People
can
apply
for
hardships,
they
can
apply
for
other
exemptions
and-
and
ultimately
this
is
kind
of
their
time
to
to
modify
it.
Because
we
know
recycling
is
not
really
working,
recycling
is
great,
but
when
it
comes
to
plastic
bags,
Charleston
County
doesn't
accept
them.
They
actually
Jam
all
their
equipment
and
cause
slowdowns.
They
cover
our
storm
drains
and
and
promote
an
increase
flooding.
BA
BA
You
can
see,
there's
kind
of
a
hole
in
Miller
and
that's
that's
us.
That's
the
city
of
Charleston
right,
so
so
you
can
see.
Mount
Pleasant
is
in
blue
IOP
is
in
green,
Sullivan's
is
actually
they're,
not
officially
approved,
but
they
have
passed
the
second
reading
on
it
and
they're
trying
to
go
into
effect
real
soon
and,
of
course,
folly
beaches
on
there
to
our
north.
We
also
have
Surfside
Beach
and
to
our
South
the
entire
Beaufort
County.
So
so
this
is.
BA
A
My
problem
with
this
ordinance
and
I
could
get
on
board
with
it.
If
we
would
say,
okay,
we're
going
to
put
this
in
effect
in
a
year.
If
there's
some
increase
in
the
enforcement
of
our
litter
laws,
we
don't
have
a
plastic
problem
that
this
is
going
to
solve.
We
have
a
litter
problem
and
it
is
horrible
I
pulled
into
wildflower
cafe
this
morning
and
you
would
have
thought
that
a
dump
truck
a
garbage
truck
that
had
a
terrible
rent.
There
I
mean
there
were
chick-fil-a
styrofoam
cups.
A
There
were
bags,
there
was
trash
everywhere
and
eventually
that's
going
to
be
in
the
and
and
I
would
venture
to
say.
If
we
went
to
our
magistrate's
at
our
city
judges
and
found
out
how
many
cases
were
made
for
littering
in
the
last
year
or
two
or
last
ten
years,
you
could
count
them
all
to
a
couple
hands
on
any
more
than
that.
I
would
guarantee
that
I
mean
I,
would
venture
a
guess.
They're
a
little
bit
earlier,
I
was
going
to
call
up
mr.
A
Anthony.
He
and
I
did
one
of
these
sweeps
on
the
Greenway
I
guess
it
was
a
couple
years
ago
and
there
was
a
Montessori
School
that
the
parents
were
out
there
in
the
retention
pond.
There's
a
big
retention
pond
right
behind
one
of
the
our
fire
station
there
and
he
had
spent
30
or
40
kids
and
their
parents
out
there
in
parents
around
this
retention
pond
pulling
out
all
of
this
trash
and
the
kids
had
their
little
clipboards
and
every
time
they
pull
something
out.
A
They
would
write
it
down
now
when
we
got
through,
we
started
looking
at
what
was
on
the
clipboard.
There
wasn't
any
plastic
bags,
there
was
trash
everywhere,
there
was
bottles,
there
were
kids,
there
were
styrofoam,
there
was
stuff
everywhere,
and
most
of
my
colleagues
here
know
where
I
live.
I
live
on
the
marsh
at
least
twice
a
year
and
I've
got
five
acres
of
marsh
behind
my
house.
That
is
actually
deeded
to
my
problem.
Son
of
the
old
King's
grant
stuff.
A
So
I
go
out
that
Marsh
at
least
twice
a
year
and
I'll
usually
fill
up
a
one
of
our
city,
not
our
big
city,
Green
cans,
but
the
smaller
city
cap
I'll
fill
up
one
of
those
every
time
I
go
out
there.
You
know
what
I'm
fine
I
find
bottles
cans,
I
find
golf
balls,
I've
picked
up
a
dozen
or
so
golf
balls
that
they
all
knew
the
hills
driving
golf
balls
out
in
the
large
tennis
balls.
A
You
would
be
surprised
how
many
cores
of
tennis
balls
they
probably
come
from
our
Tennis
Center
right
down
the
March
people,
lobbing
them
off
into
the
st.
or
either
that
or
Bill
sharp
who's
got
a
tennis
court
on
the
marsh.
That
he's,
probably
not
a
very
good
tennis
player
he's
probably
knocking
about,
but
anyway,
I
found
one
a
little
policeman
with
where
the
holds
the
flags
that
slowed
down
for
the
kids
I
found
I
mean
I.
A
I
can't
tell
you
of
styrofoam
docks,
I
mean
I,
go
out
there,
I
pull
all
that
junk
out
of
that
Marsh
at
least
twice,
and
you
go
out.
Do
you
want
to
come
by
my
house?
The
more
you
see,
bottles
out
there
in
the
morning,
I
have
yet
to
find
one
plastic
bag.
Now,
I,
don't
know
whether
or
not
plastic
bags
float
to
the
bottom.
If
they
do,
then
the
turtle
skin
eat
them.
A
But
I
do
know
that
the
as
I
as
I
mentioned
to
the
lady
from
there
that
microplastics
that
was
on
this,
the
screen,
the
Miss
King
put
up
there
that
all
starts
I
mean
every
time
your
tire
runs
around.
It
leaves
it's
a
plastic
face
residue
on
the
streets.
They
get
washed
off
your
clothes.
Every
time
you
wash
your
clothes
a
lot
of
that
those
fibers
they
go
into
your
with
your
soap
and
all
that
they
go
down
the
drain.
They
end
up
in
the
rim.
A
You
know
I,
don't
want
to
vote
against
this,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
something.
But
to
me
you
know
it's
almost
like
you
know:
okay,
we
we
outlaw
bump
stocks.
We
haven't
had
a
single
mass
killing
with
bump
stocks
in
this
city,
but
we
still
have
killings.
You
know
we
apologize,
we
hadn't
fix
the
affordable
housing.
We
haven't
done
a
lot
of
things.
I,
don't
want
to
let
us
off
the
hook
by
passing
door
and
say:
okay
now
we
feel
good
and
that's
what
this
feels
like
to
me.
A
This
feels
good
and
if
somebody
would
figure
out
a
way
to
enforce
these
litter
laws
and
start
calling
these
people
into
court
I
went
to
the
dry
cleaners
just
the
other
day.
There
was
a
car
truck
there
of
a
pickup
truck
beside
my
part,
I
got
outlook.
The
thing
was
full
of
trash
and
I
guarantee.
When
that
guy
got
home,
all
that
trash
would
be
in
the
street.
He'll
say
man,
it's
magic
house
and
all
this
stuff
just
disappears,
and
so
I'm
really
almost
to
the
point.
A
D
Well,
Thank
You,
councilman,
moody
and
Sandy
will
attest
that
I
shared
your
pet
peeve
about
trash
in
the
city
and
everywhere,
I
go
and
I'm,
particularly
when
I
see
trash
and
plastic
at
a
storm
drain.
That
irritates
the
daylights
out
of
me
and
back
once
again
to
our
trip
to
the
Netherlands,
and
this
is
true
of
many
places
in
Europe
I.
Guess
it's
just
a
different
culture,
but
in
the
city
of
Amsterdam
we
were
there
and
I
remarked
after
we
were
there
for
like
three
days,
there's
a
city
of
a
million
people.
D
I
found
one
bottle.
You
know
on
the
street,
you
know
people
over
there
it
just
it's
a
different
culture.
They
don't
throw
their
trash
on
the
street.
It's
sigh
which
we
could
legislate,
that
we
have
laws
against
littering.
You
know
catching
the
person
and
be
you
know
at
the
moment
they
throw
the
piece
of
trash.
It's
very
difficult
thing
to
enforce.
You
know
and
I'd
love
to
enforce
our
way
to
cleaner
City,
thanks
God
for
Andrew
and
all
the
other
volunteer
groups
and
keep
Charleston
beautiful.
D
That
is
engaged
in
so
many
cleanup
activities,
and
but
but
but
I
would
share
with
you
that
this
is.
This
is
more
than
a
feel-good
measure
that
other
cities
and
counties
have
felt
the
same
way.
There
are
results
that
are
being
generated
by
putting
these
ordinances
into
a
place,
and
it
is
in
fact
banning
those
products
that
are
most
most
harmful
to
to
our
environment,
and
particularly
our
marine
environment.
So
I
would
urge
us
to
pass
it
councilmember
Sheila.
Yet.
BB
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
and
I,
served
on
this
committee
and,
and
was
one
that
brought
it
to
Council.
I
will
tell
you
that
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
since
that
point
studying
this
guy.
It
told
my
fellow
councilmen
the
other
day
that
what
you've
been
doing
I
said
I've
been
spending
this
these
plastics
to
make
sure
I
know
where
I
am
and
where
I
stand.
Part
of
the
reason
is
that
it's
certainly
going
to
hurt
some
local
business
people
I,
like
that.
BB
We've
got
a
two-year
potential
period
there
for
those
people,
but
our
local
grocers
are
going
to
hurt
from
this.
It's
going
to
cost
them
a
lot
and
in
a
couple
of
things
that
I
found
when
I
was
on
the
resiliency
and
sustainability
committee,
I
was
listening
to
information
that
was
was
given
to
me
and
in
this
ordinance
it
reads:
single-use
plastic
products
and
other
non
locally,
or
have
to
be
locally
recite
recyclable,
that
recyclable,
meaning
any
material
that
is
accepted
by
the
Charleston
County
recycle
center.
BB
So
in
study
in
all
this,
I
want
to
make
sure
our
other
councilmen
know
that
these
plastic
bags
are
very
recyclable,
because
I
didn't
understand
that
at
the
time
that
I
would
sit
on
that
committee
and
I
think
it's
a
very
important
point
to
understand.
I
went
to
a
couple
of
websites
I
think
one
of
them
was
Earth
9-1-1
comm
and
doing
some
of
this
study
and
another
one
is
plastic
film.
Recycling
dot-org
is
another
one
well
on
these
websites,
particularly
that
last
one
that
I
said
plastic
film
recycling.
BB
You
can
go
and
put
in
any
zip
code
that
you'd
like,
and
it
will
tell
you
what
can
be
recycled
and
where
so,
I
put
in
two
nine
four
zero
three
is
downtown.
Charleston
I
could've
put
two
nine
four
one
or
any
other
zip
code,
but
I
put
in
two
nine
four
zero:
three
there
are
75
drop-off
locations
for
these
plastic
bags
to
be
recycled,
so
it
was
an
eye-opener
for
me
and
I
just
felt
like
that's
an
educational
point
that
needs
to
be
brought
up.
BB
The
plastic
bags
in
a
lot
of
ways
are
greener
than
paper
bags
as
well
and
in
some
of
my
study,
I
found
that
the
EPA
pointed
out
that
plastic
bags
require
40
percent
less
energy
than
the
production
of
paper
bags
that
paper
bag
manufacturing
creates
70%,
more
air
pollution
and
50%
more
water
pollution.
In
addition,
recycling
plastic
bags
uses
91
percent
less
energy
than
recycling
paper
bags.
So
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
positive
that
I
didn't
know.
BB
While
I
was
sitting
on
that
committee
and
I
just
felt
like
I
needed
to
bring
that
out
to
this
council
to
make
sure
we're
fully
educated
on
what's
going
on.
But
overall,
according
to
this
plastic
bags
in
a
lot
of
ways
can
be
greener.
We
about
ocean
rise
plastic
bags
may
be
better
for
ocean
for,
for
this
ocean
rise.
Then
paper
bags,
according
to
some
of
the
things
that
I
read
as
I
was
searching
through
these
websites.
BB
I'm
not
against
this
ordinance
and
I,
certainly
want
to
you
know:
I
the
styrofoam,
the
plastic
straws
I
I
see
those
dangers.
I
also
saw
those
websites
with
the
turtles
with
the
you
know
and
and
I
in
those
committee
meetings.
I
held
these
plastics
that
were
killing
sea
life
and
everything
so
I've
I
understand
the
importance
I
really
do,
but
I
felt
like
we
need
to
be
fully
educated
that
these
plastic
bags
are
not
as
damaging
overall
to
the
environment
as
I
as
I
believed
when
I
was
sitting
on
that
committee.
BB
At
that
point,
I
should
have
done
my
homework
and
I
apologize.
I
should
have
brought
this
out
for
whatever
King's
Council,
but
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
understand
everything
on
there.
So
I
just
you
know.
As
far
as
my
plastic
parts
reuse,
plastic
bags,
a
lot
of
people
reuse
these
plastic
bags,
when,
when
we
take
plastic
bags
at
my
house,
all
of
those
plastic
bags
end
up
at
st.
mark
United,
Methodist
Church.
There's
a
couple
of
reasons
why
our
church
happens
to
make
plastic
mats
out
of
these
bags.
BB
They
use
those
those
plus
they
use
those
plastic
bags
to
make
plastic
mat
most
of
those
go
to
homeless
or
to
other
groups
who
may
need
a
dry
place
to
sit
or
stay.
They
also
go
to
the
the
day
care
center
there
to
bag
up
dirty,
diapers,
also
wet
clothing.
If
a
child
had
an
accident
that
doesn't
have
a
diaper
or
maybe
they
got
muddy,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
reuse
these.
BB
So
when
you
hear
single-use
non
recyclable,
that
is
not
the
grocery
bags
that
we're
talking
about,
because
a
lot
of,
because
these
bags
can
and
are
reused-
and
they
are
recyclable
and,
like
I,
said
it's
very
important
to
me-
to
protect
the
environment
and
and
but
I
just
felt
like
the
full
story
needed
to
come
out.
So
I
wanted
to
share
that
sample.
BC
BC
There
are
a
lot
of
other
things
that
clog
it
up.
The
environment
in
the
rivers
styrofoam
plates
terraform
color,
but
we
didn't
think
about
the
use
of
plastic
bag.
How
many
people
use
leather
when
you
go
to
store,
buy
groceries?
You
got
to
have
a
plastic
bag
years
ago
used
to
get
nothing
but
brown
paper
bag.
There
was
so
much
said
about
brown
paper
bags.
A
lot
of
stores
stopped
using
brown
paper
bag.
BC
Now
we
want
to
get
rid
of
plastic
bags
and
you
get
a
person's
right
now
to
get
a
go
to
the
grocery
store.
If
they
request
a
bag,
they
can
get
a
brown
bag,
but
that
brown
bag
doesn't
help
that
consumer
taking
his
or
her
groceries
home.
If
they
walking
are
they
catching
the
bus,
because
a
brown
bag
you
might
carry
one
or
two
plastic
bags,
some
people
got
three
or
four
bags.
Ronnie
are
carrying
the
groceries.
Are
you?
You
hurt
the
consumer?
You
hurt
those
businesses
and
you're
making
it
look
like
plastic
bags.
BC
It's
a
problem,
but
it's
just
so
I
told
it
back.
That's
other
styrofoam
product!
Now
you
talk
about
the
ordinance
who
going
to
force
ordinance
when
winners
when
it's
not
being
enforced.
I
read
in
this
this
liveability
again,
no
bullets.
He
got
all
court,
of
course,
when
people
got
enough
to
do
how
they're
gonna
go
and
check
and
see
if
swords
and
stuff
are
going
according
to
it
all,
and
this
is
written,
but
we
need
that's
another
thing.
Rethinking
the
solidus.
BC
We
need
to
create
an
apartment,
create
a
group
with
another
prop
Department
recipes,
sanitation,
police
or
whatever,
but
in
their
apartments,
to
look
at
these
stores
to
see
who
is
and
who
isn't
and
forced
us
out
of
it.
Dan
Ritchie
odium
got
more
Nick
and
Hamill,
not
I
mean
it
got
a
whole
lot
anybody's
sitting
wrong.
Anyone
of
you
see
today
to
tell
you
they're
overwhelmed
with
the
work
they
got,
so
we
really
look
at
this
ordinance.
BD
You,
mr.
mayor
a
couple
things,
one
I
have
to
agree:
customer
Schiele,
I.
You
know
the
bags
that
we
bring
in
from
the
single
use.
We
use
them
in
it.
Actually,
there's
there's
little
things
that
you
can
buy,
that
you
stuff
them
in
their
stores
and
keep
them
out
of
the
way
so
somebody's
created
a
whole
entire
business
model
around
places
to
store
these
quote
single
use
bags,
but
in
reality
I.
Don't
think
that's
the
case
all
the
time.
BD
The
second
thing
is,
the
comment
was
made
about
this
survey
that
that
the
individual
surveyed
didn't
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
a
fee
associated
with
the
bag,
but
yet
banning
it.
They
had
an
interest.
Well,
a
local
grocer
had
shared
with
me
that
that
his
cost
will
increase
$37,000
net
to
use
paper
bags
versus
the
the
plastic
bags.
BD
That
fee
is
going
to
get
passed
on
to
consumers
period,
so
they're
going
to
pay
for
it,
I
mean
we've
you,
whatever
you
do,
you're
going
to
pay
for
it,
pay
for
it
in
a
fee
where
you
pay
10
cents
for
a
bag
like
we
did
in
LA
or
you're
gonna
pay
for
it
with
your
groceries
being
more
expensive.
It's
gonna
get
paid
for
somehow
the
the
other
thing
I
will
say
about
number
of
exemptions
in
here.
BD
Really,
quite
frankly,
as
you
go
through
it,
how
much
impact
are
we
actually
going
to
have
by
doing
this?
The
exemptions
I'll
just
read
off
a
couple
very
quickly:
laundry
dry
cleaning
bags
door
hanging
bags,
new
paper
bags
bags
for
multiple
uses
for
garbage
pet
pit
pet
waste
bags
that
are
used
inside
a
store
for
bulk
items
bags.
Nonprofit
corporations
are
exempt
bags
that
you
bring
into
the
store,
are
exempt
bags
that
are
from
a
pharmaceutical
company
or
dentist.
The
list
goes
on
and
on.
BD
It
starts
to
beg
the
question:
if
we,
if
we
pass
an
ordinance
to
ban
bags,
but
the
list
of
exemptions
is
this
long
impact?
Are
we
gonna
really
have
and
I
do
think
it's
a
is
Council
moody
pointed
out.
We
have
a
behavioral
problem,
you
know
if
my
children
throw
something
out
onto
the
street,
let
me
tell
you
it's
lights
out
for
them,
because
I've
taught
them.
This
is
the
place
that
we
all
live.
BD
You
know
I'm
a
very
avid
boater
and
that's
an
avid
voter
as
most
avid
voters
do
and
people
who
go
out
there
in
the
water
way.
If
you
ever
see
anything
in
the
water,
you
stop
and
pick
it
up,
and
you
certainly
don't
allow
your
boat
to
have
stuff
flying
out
of
it.
That's
just
sort
of
an
unwritten
rule,
so
I
don't
think
we
have
a
plastic
problem.
BD
We
have
a
behavioral
problem,
it's
about
a
litter
and
and
I'm,
not
a
libertarian,
but
I'm
gonna
say
something
that
makes
me
sound
like
one
I,
don't
think
we
can
legislate
behavior
by
just
simply
banning
plastic
bags.
It's
not
going
to
change
the
fact
that
we
have
a
problem
with
sea
turtles,
getting
sick
and
coming
to
the
aquarium.
We're
not
gonna
change
that,
because
guess
what
sea
turtles?
Don't
just
hang
around
off
the
coast
of
South
Carolina,
it's
certainly
not
in
our
Harbor.
They
travel
all
over
the
place.
BD
So
again,
I
know
we're
trying
to
sort
of
chip
away
at
this
thing
and
chip
away.
Well,
not
we
but
the
folks
who
have
an
interest
in
this
trying
to
chip
away
at
it.
But
I
would
tell
you
it's
we're.
Spending
I
think
a
lot
energy
trying
to
legislate
when
I
think
we
need
to
spend
more
energy
on
behavioral
modification
and
and
I
think
that
that's
really,
where
we're
going
to
have
an
impact
so
again,
I
want
the
best
for
our
our
community.
I
want
a
clean
community.
BD
I
want
the
best
for
our
environment
and
certainly
the
sea
turtles
and
the
animals,
and
everything
and
I
want
that
to
be
available
for
my
children
and
their
children's
children
too,
to
be
able
to
see
and
benefit
from,
but
I,
don't
think
this
is
gonna.
Do
it
and
I'm
not
saying
that
it
didn't
go
far
enough
I'm
just
saying
if
we
don't
take
time
focused
on
the
things
that
have
an
effect
on
behavior
I'm,
not
sure
we're
ever
going
to
make
a
change
that
we
need
to
see?
Oh
that's.
AR
AR
AR
Flipside
of
the
coin
is
those
folks
that
don't
pick
up
those
bags
or
garrote
we're
not
following
Gary
in
the
boat
when
the
bag
gets
around
that
Prop,
a
couple
thousand
bucks
I
mean
you
know
after
you
get
towed
in.
So
what
is
acceptable
and
the
answer
is
I,
don't
know
for
sure.
I
know
what's
unacceptable,
but
I
don't
know
what's
acceptable
here,
because
that
there
there
there
are
so
many
moving
parts
because
we're
dealing
with
humans
in
humans.
We,
some
of
us,
are
stranger
than
others.
AR
AR
AR
Giving
it
up,
maybe
possibly
first
reading
or
to
ask
for
a
deferment
and
if
you
guys
believe
that
we
can
fix
it,
I'll
go
with
the
deferment,
you
know
otherwise.
I've
I
have
a
life
myself
with
a
couple
of
my
very
good
friends
in
savers
and
I've
told
them.
This
is
gonna,
be
a
yes
vote.
That's
all
Katie!
It
would
be
a
yes
vote
for
me,
so
I
would
prefer
to
fix
it.
Otherwise
I've
got
to
go
with
what
I
promised
those
other
did.
D
I
may
bring
one
other
point
up
to
this
discussion.
It
has
to
do
with
home
rule.
One
reason
why
I
believe
timing
is
of
the
essence
is
because
state
legislature
threatened
to
in
that
fact
had
a
a
bill
that
would
have
denied
cities
the
authority
to
pass
such
a
ordinances
before
you
this
evening
and
so
respectfully,
even
though
it
may
not
be
perfect.
D
I
thought
it
was
incumbent
on
us
to
consider
this
measure
before
the
next
legislative
session
starts
and
I
must
say,
I
think
Charleston
knows
well
enough
to
be
able
to
pass
an
ordinance
or
not.
You
know,
without
the
state
legislature,
basically
denying
Home
Rule
rule
walnuts.
So
that's
one
point
and
I
admit
it's
not
perfect,
but
one
one
thing
I
would
point
out
is
that
it
is
in
concert
with
the
Mount
Pleasant,
ordinance
and
and
these
other
jurisdictions.
D
So
it
is
a
start
and
we
would
have
some
consistency
in
our
region
as
to
what
is
being
enforced
and
boy
would
I
love
to
be
able
to
have
the
behavior
modification
for
our
whole
population.
Never
to
throw
trash
out
anymore,
but
I
kind
of
feel
like
it's
a
starting
point
to
in
essence,
stop
the
supply
of
these
items
from
from
being
in
the
food
chain,
so
to
speak,
of
being
thrown
out
and
then
literally
in
the
food
chain
when
they
get
in
the
marine
environment,
council
members
shade
and
then
Jackson
Thank.
AL
You,
mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
we
need
to
pass
this
ordinance
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
do
it
tonight
in
1996,
I
traveled,
with
my
wife
over
to
Europe
in
Paris
and
visiting
my
mother
law
at
the
time
and
I,
was
impressed
immediately
with
what
we
did
not
take
with
us
or
pick
up
from.
We
went
to
the
market.
There
were
no
plastic
bags
since
1996
Europe
has
been,
and
something
could
correct
me
on
this-
on
the
forefront
of
this
man.
AL
People
when
you
talk
about
behavior
modification
shoppers
walked
in
and
walked
out
with
their
own
reusable
bags
to
carry
their
products
in
and
out
when
I
was
involved
with
the
Knights
of
Columbus
tokido.
When
we
started
recycling
these
reusable
bags,
it
cost
50
cents
to
make
50
cents
for
these
VAX.
You
worry
about
economic
impacts
on
the
consumer
and
the
businesses.
It
doesn't
cost
more
than
50
cents
to
make
this.
By
that
you
can
be
used
over
and
over
again,
six
of
us
went
to
Los
Angeles
that's
past
week
we
were
all
handed
these
bags.
AL
That's
party
favors
those
bags,
the
things
that
we
can
use
to
go
grocery
shopping
with
it's
right.
There
force
the
economic
impact
on
this
is
going
to
be
nominal.
Companies.
Don't
want
us
to
pass
this
because
they
think
they
use
this
tactic.
To
say
it's
gonna
have
a
huge
impact
on
their
businesses
or
a
world.
If
we
reuse
bags,
my
wife
commented
to
me
as
I
walked
out.
She
said,
oh
god,
you
can
pass
this
policy
bag
ordinance.
I
can
either
hoard
because
we
need
to
pick
up
the
dog
poop.
AL
Well,
there's
other
ways
for
us
to
do
that.
Then
we
can
do
that
more
effectively.
Prostate
bags
are
non
biodegradable.
That
means
that
they
stay
in
the
environment
and
they
contaminate
the
amount
of
toxic
and
that's
that's
what--that's.
We
need
to
be
focusing
on
it's
very
simple:
they
don't
biodegrade,
you
can
recycle
them.
You
can
use
it
for
other
purposes.
That's
all
very
true.
In
fact,
we
pass
laws
to
modify
our
behavior
all
the
time
we
pass
laws
to
say
the
speed
limit
is
30
miles
an
hour.
AL
We
don't
have
an
open,
no
speed
limit
launched
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
That's
part
of
behavior
modification,
because
we
want
people
to
drive
safely.
We
have
stop
signs
to
say
you
stop
at
that
particular
intersection.
We
have.
We
have
laws
about
druggies,
that's
behavior
modification!
That's
what
we're
doing
tonight,
we're
modifying
folks
use
of
something
that's
not
helpful
to
the
environment
and
with
the
alternative.
That
is
a
very
cheap
way
and
providing
other
containers
that
we
can
use,
that
won't,
hurt
the
environment
and
we
can.
We
can
pass
those
things
out.
AL
We
got
to
from
Los
Angeles
and
you
can
reuse
those
things
over
and
over
again.
We
have
an
opportunity
because,
as
you
look
at
that
map,
there
were
the
missing
tooth.
I
have
a
house
of
our
palms
and
our
palms
are
the
first
municipality
in
the
low
country
to
pass
us
within
a
year.
It
was
just
incredible
to
notice
a
difference.
AL
Out
of
the
impact
that
had
on
the
beaches
was
incredible,
10
decide,
but
they
were
ineffective
to
the
point,
because
in
Mount
Pleasant
there
was
no
band
until
you
can
go
grocery
shopping
on
the
Harris
Teeter.
On
Isle
of
Palms
and
get
a
paper
bag
that
use
your
own
reusable
bag,
but
you
want
them
out
pleasant
and
to
have
seated
Mount
Pleasant
this
across
the
connector.
You
can
buy,
use
plastic
vanities,
it
defeated
the
whole
purpose.
That's
why
my
Pleasant
fill
in
their
gap.
AL
This
is
the
opportunity
for
Charleston
to
speak
up
and
fill
in
the
gap
that
we
need
to
fill
in
right
now.
This
is
our
chance
to
do
that,
and
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
fill
that
out.
I
fill
them
for
the
mayor
this
morning
to
address
the
southeast
recycling
Development,
Corporation
and
I.
Was
there
with
County
councilmember
brightly
moody
to
welcome
the
participants
to
that?
One
of
the
things
they
talked
about
was
that
recyclable
initiative
with
recycling
is
contamination,
and
you
can't
recycle
things
that
are
contaminated.
AL
Plastic
bags
have
a
huge
impact
on
that
contamination,
so
we're
taught
this
is
fun
to
talk
about
which,
like
well
recycle,
I,
know
all
of
us
recycle
and
this
we
need
to
do
that,
but
classic
banks
have
a
way
of
contaminating
those
things
that
we're
trying
to
recycle
and
it
defeats
the
purpose
of
recycling.
Let's
get
these
things
off
the
market,
that's
what
we
really
need
to
do
just
get
these
things
off
the
market
and
move
forward
with
that.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
AX
You
I
will
associate
myself
with
councilmember
shades,
very
brilliant
and
compelling
words.
Just
then
I
I
have
similar
I,
never
had
any
doubt
about
agreeing
with
this
ordinance
a
couple
of
years
ago,
when
I
heard
that
it
was
a
citizen's
effort
and
that
the
mayor
responded
to
and
put
it
before
the
sustainability
committee.
AX
So
that's
a
big
reason
for
me
personally,
I
I,
just
I,
don't
understand
the
logic
that
would
not
want
to
respond
positively
to
a
movement
like
this.
That's
you
know
coming
forward
in
our
country,
especially
among
the
younger
generations,
who
were
hopefully
training
up
to
take
over
for
some
of
us
who've
been
you
know,
trying
to
do
our
best
as
as
leaders
in
our
own
communities
the
last
couple
of
decades.
AX
You
know
recycling
for
now,
and
they
never
would
consider
you
know,
adopting
the
habits
of
littering
or
clogging
up
the
environment
in
ways
that
you
know
we
own,
but
he
was
hearing
a
lot
of
encouragement
from
the
businesses
on
King
Street
that
this
would
would
you
know
not
not
be
in
their
best
interest
and
so
I
said
well,
surely,
you're
gonna
vote
your
own
head
in
your
heart
and
your?
You
know
your
own
judgement
about
this,
and
he
said
you
know.
AX
Sometimes
you
know
I
pay
attention
to
what
my
constituents
tell
me
and
that's
usually
the
way
I
make
my
decisions.
So
I
started
thinking
after
that.
Well,
I've
been
out
there
in
front
of
you
know
out
of
my
own
mind
and
my
own
convictions
about
why
this
was
such
a
good
thing
for
the
city
to
be
doing,
but
I
really
hadn't
been
testing
the
waters
among
a
lot
of
the
constituents
that
I
serve
so
I'm,
very
glad
that
those
constituents
came
to
our
chamber
this
evening.
AX
AW
You
mr.
Mann
I
think
there's
one
huge
omission
in
this
process:
I
listen
as
all
the
people
came
and
spoke,
and
maybe
even
in
your
committee
process,
councilmen
Schiele,
no
one
has
asked
CPW
opinion
at
least
see
PWAs,
Charleston,
I,
say
CPW,
Charleston,
water,
water,
sorry,
what
well?
Actually
it's
CPW
doing
business
as
Charleston
want
a
system,
that's
the
efficiently
answer,
but
if
you
were
to
see
the
machines
that
it
takes
to
process
wastewater,
what's
that
big
I
think
it's
called
a
woolly
Mastodon,
the
big
elephant
that
is
now
as
extinct?
AW
That's
what
those
machines
look
like
and
now
it's
not
all
plastic
bag.
The
plastic
bag
is
certainly
a
huge
part
of
it
most
recently,
baby
wipes
believe
it
or
not.
They
did
a
marketing
piece
that
says
baby
wipes,
cloth,
spikes
and
it
actually
got
recognition
from
here
to
California
and
all
up
and
down
the
East,
Coast
and
I
would
submit
that.
Behavior
is
already
changing
that,
but
I
heard
you
loud
and
clear.
Councilmen
are
white
and
moody.
AW
We
all
want
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
I
could
remember
when
we
went
to
the
grocery
still
and
all
you
got
was
a
paper
bag
like
councilman
Lucy
Daniel.
All
you
got
was
a
plastic
bag.
Now
you
go
to
a
plethora
of
grocery
stores
and
you
get
the
choice.
Paper
plastic
and
we
now
have
reusable
bags.
I've
got
one
in
every
car
that
I
that
I
have.
Okay,
that's
behavioral
change.
AW
It
cost
us
as
a
city
a
tremendous
amount
of
money
to
fix
the
machines
and
unclog
the
machines
where
these
plastic
pipes
are
coming
over
our
farm
island
plant.
They
have
an
actual
shaft
that
the
circumference
is
about
large.
Is
this
area
most
recently
when
I
mean
most
recently,
maybe
30
days
ago,
two.
F
C
AW
AW
If,
if
we
had
that
presentation
up
here
tonight-
and
you
actually
saw
what
it
takes
to
unclog
and
the
actual
flog
itself
combined
with
paper
plastics
and
the
light
baby
wipes
and
the
light
you
say,
my
god,
we
need
to
do
something
about
so
can
we
do
it
better?
We
probably
most
certainly
can
I'ma
vote
for
it.
AW
They
get
first
reading,
but
I,
hear
my
colleagues
loud
and
clear,
I,
don't
know
if
we
there's
something
we
can
do
between
first
reading
and
second
reading
and
even
the
third
reading,
but
when
it
comes
to
keeping
our
shores
clean
and
and
waterways
clean
and
I've
seen
plastic
bags,
I
fish
I
like
the
spot,
tails,
official
ice
fishing,
the
creeks
and
the
like,
so
I
see
them
out.
There
I
see
the
styrofoam
I
was
in
Jacksonville
this
weekend
and
every
restaurant
that
I
went
to
had
paper
on
straws
and
what
a
throwback
remember.
AW
We
all
used
to
get
the
milkshakes
with
paper
straws
and
if
you
didn't
finish
the
milkshake
quick
enough
to
scroll
with
collapse
on
you,
but
that,
but
that's
the
smart
I
think
that's
community
moving
in
the
right
direction,
so
I
almost
support
this.
Can
we
make
it
better
and
best
practices?
Maybe
from
listening
to
our
colleagues,
we
can't
but
I
hope
we
would
move
forward
on
this
one,
but
doing
the
second
reading.
AW
I
certainly
would
solicit
CPW
to
have
a
Power
Point
Pleasant
tea
presentation,
so
you
all
can
actually
see
and
have
a
number
presentation
on
what
it
costs
every
person
in
this
region
that
get
water
or
sewage
from
CPW,
and
that
goes
beyond
the
city
of
Charleston.
Obviously
what
it
cost
us
that
reflects
in
our
wastewater
fees
and
our
clean
water
fees
to
treat
this
plastic
and
get
it
out
of
the
way
so
I'm
gonna
support
this
council.
BE
Now
I
understand
what
everyone
was
saying
here
tonight.
All
my
colleagues
and
everyone
was
standing
here
and
but
I
want
to
say
this
is
not
my
blessing.
This
is
not
quality
Beach
for
one
no
I
hear
these
terminology
and
I
tell
people
every
day,
all
day,
long,
even
my
constituents
when
they
come
to
me,
you
know
I'm
a
product
of
the
city
of
Charleston
seventy
years
right
here
in
the
city
girl,
it's
not
that
I
come
here.
I
was
born
and
raised
here.
Things
have
changed
a
lot
yes,
but
I.
BE
BE
What's
going
to
be
the
eternity
for
these
people
when
they
go
to
those
stores,
these
senior
citizens
that
we
have
and
they
talk
about
the
wine
bag.
They're
gonna
give
you
that
one
bag
is
not
gonna,
be
sufficient
for
the
people
when
they
go
out
and
buy
their
groceries.
It's
not
gonna,
be
sufficient.
I,
don't
know
what
people
are
talking
about.
They're
saying
that
these
sufficient
is
not
going
to
be
sufficient
with
one
bag.
It's
not
going
to
happen.
You
go
to
these
stores
at
night.
BE
I'll
go
to
these
stores
in
the
morning
and
see
people
shopping
and
see
what
they
are
buying
and
see
how
much
bags
they're
coming
out
those
doors
with.
So
my
licks
emotion
with
this
is
sometimes
to
haves
and
have-nots
sometime.
You
got
the
people
with
the
half
who
care
not
with
the
have-nots.
They'll
get
you
know,
and
that's
what
I'm
hearing
and
seeing
and
I
have
a
problem
with
it
and
I
might
support
this.
BE
But
if
it
comes
back
with
the
same
changes
and
down
would
not
support
it
because
my
constituents,
if
you
look
at
what's
happening
from
calhoun
street,
to
role
smart,
that
I'm
dealing
with
my
Christmas,
they
tell
me
they
don't
want
to
do
it.
They
tell
me
to
leave
it
alone,
but
they
know
that
I
make
my
own
decision.
That's
one
thing,
but
me
I,
mix
I
make
my
own
decision
and
I
can
make
decision.
I
feel
that's
gonna,
be
best
interest
for
everyone
and
that's
the
way.
I
do
it.
BE
So
that's
my
mix
of
motion
on
this
on
the
plastic
bag
and
I
was
hearing
about
it.
I
have
you
know,
I
our
constant
Lewis
I
think
we
went
and
had
a
presentation
done
on
it.
They
explained
to
us,
and
we
will
tell
him,
would
kind
of
be
the
return
trip
to
people
coming
in
shopping.
If
they're
gonna
have
the
bags
brown
bags
they're
off
we're
gonna
tell
that
stores.
BE
You
have
to
have
enough
brown
bags
to
give
them
when
they
leave
the
store
and
they
say
you're
gonna
check
with
the
stores
and
stoicism
might
do
it
or
they
might
know
just
the
might
I
don't
want
to
hear
Mike
I
want
to
hear
if
you're
gonna
do
it,
so
these
people
have
an
alternative
to
have
something
done.
So
this
is
my
problem
with
this.
With
this
ordinance,
then
it
says
a
ban
on
in
this
I
understand
what
is
doing
the
environment.
BE
I
understand
that
fully
because
I
was
doing
fishing
crabbing
and
I
was
back
in
the
50s
here.
So
I
was
doing
this
all
the
time.
So
I
know
the
problem
that
we're
running
into
and
I've
seen
what
the
plastic
bags
are.
All
the
things
can
do
the
environment
I
understand
that
fully,
but
even
with
the
environment,
I'm
still
have
to
look
at
individuals
who
are
human
beings
who
need
these
things
to
operate.
BE
To
keep
going
so
you
have
you
have
me
with
the
up
and
down
on
this
issue
here
so
I,
don't
know
where
I'm
gonna
go
with
it
even
find
support
it's
at
night
just
to
go
forward
to
see
what
kind
of
changes
could
be
made
and
second
and
third
reading,
but
if,
if
there's
not
change
that
I
feel
it's
gonna
be
beneficial
to
everyone
in
this
city
of
Charleston,
not
Mount,
Pleasant,
not
Farley,
Beach,
nothing,
all
the
pomp
I'm,
not
looking
at
them.
I'm.
Looking
at
the
city
of
Chartres
awesome.
This
is
where
I
live.
BE
BG
AK
BG
BF
I,
just
wonder
if
it
preempts
us
from
passing
law
or
if
it
really
comes
back
and
captures
all
the
laws
and
would
then
say:
we've
now
trumped
you
and
you're
out
you're.
Just
out
of
luck,
I
mean
I,
think
that's
something!
We
need
to
go
into
this
eyes
wide
open,
eventually
the
state's
going
to
take
this
up,
and
if
you
count
the
votes
around
there
they're
going
to
pass
it.
So
everyone
who
came
here
tonight
probably
need
to
go
up
to
Columbia
and
talk
about
it.
BF
So
all
right,
I
just
have
a
couple
of
comments
about
all
this,
unlike
councilmember
white
I
think
maybe
I
am
kind
of
libertarian.
We've
got
a
lot
of
walls
on
our
books,
a
lot
and
I'd
love
to
see
us
passed
a
law
that
for
every
law
we
pass.
We
have
to
repeal
a
couple
because
we
got
a
lot
on
the
books
and
some
are
good
laws.
Yeah
and
some
are
good
and
some
are
just
so.
BF
You
all
know
it's
illegal
in
the
city
of
Charleston
to
spit
so
for
those
40,000
bridge
riders
who
come
every
every
year,
I
mean
we've
got
laws
like
that
on
the
books.
So
thinking
about
this
one,
however,
and
looking
at
it,
it
is
a
tight
law
with
a
lot
of
exceptions.
Obviously
a
lot
of
thought
went
into
it.
I
don't
know
who
drafted
it,
but
it's
it's
come
from
a
lot
of
other
places.
It's
a
sophisticated
piece
of
legislation.
It's
got
a
lot
in
it
for
sure
they've
thought
about
a
lot
of
things.
BF
This
body
has
thought
about
a
lot
more
I
mean
because
if
councilmember
Mitchell
says
this
is
our
community
and
a
lot
of
this
is
cultural
I
mean
it
is
I
mean
if
you
walk
around
the
city
of
Charleston,
you
don't
just
see
plastic
bags
on
the
street
and
you
don't
just
see
them
in
our
waterways.
You
see
people
using
them
and
they
do
our
citizens.
You
I
kind
of
equate
this
ordinance
to
the
smoking
ordinance
and
before
y'all
groan.
BF
Let
me
just
tell
you
why,
when
that
ordinance
came
before
this
body,
it
was
so
hotly
contested.
I
mean
it
was
the
end
of
the
earth,
as
you
knew
it,
we
were
gonna
ruin
the
tourism
business,
restaurants
and
bars
were
shutting
out.
A
seize
was
leaving
a
seize,
was
shutting
down.
Well,
have
anybody
been
to
ACS
lately
at
one
o'clock
in
the
morning?
The
line
is
around
the
corner.
BF
Now,
a
lot
of
those
people
in
line
are
smoking,
but
I'd
say
whether
or
not
smoking
inside
of
a
seat,
but
we
were
going
to
change
the
world
as
everybody
knew
it
and
we're
going
to
ruin
everything
so
that
law
went
on
the
books
and
I
would
argue
today
that
in
terms
of
enforcement,
we
don't
need
to
call
mr.
Ricci.
Oh,
we
don't
need
to
call
the
chief.
BF
We
don't
need
to
call
anybody,
because
if
someone
lit
up
a
cigarette
in
a
restaurant
or
a
bar
today
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
you
know
what
enforce
it.
We
would
absolutely.
Why
would
in
a
second-
and
you
know
sometimes
in
fights
we
see
people
speeding,
we
don't
point
out
to
them
or
jaywalk.
You
want
to
pull
out
them.
Smoking
in
a
bar.
We
pointed
out
to
them.
BF
I
believe
that
the
way
we're
going
in
this
world
when
it
comes
to
plastics
and
man-made
materials
that
are
in
the
environment
forever
and
in
our
bodies
forever
in
an
our
food
supply
forever,
natural
behavior
will
get
there
and
back
to
the
future.
If
we
come
back
ten
years
from
now,
people
can
be
like
that
plastic
vet
van
bag
ban
debate
was
really
silly
because
our
practices
are
heading
towards
not
using
them.
I
will
tell
you:
I
have
no
earthly
idea
what
they
hand
out
at
grocery
stores.
BF
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
if
plastic
bags
are
bad
or
worse
than
paper
bags,
I
bring
my
own
every
time.
I
hate
the
grocery
store
by
the
way.
I
don't
get
that
often,
but
we
bring
our
own
bags,
bring
our
bags
I.
Think
that's
where
we're
headed
so
I
think
eventually
we're
gonna
get
there.
Now.
The
question
is:
what
do
we
do
with
all
this
I
mean?
Do
we
pass
it?
There's
lots
of
things
in
here
that
trouble
me
I
will
tell
you.
BF
We
have
too
many
laws,
however,
I
do
think
the
one
thing
that
we've
seen
here
tonight
and
what
council
member
Jackson
and
I
talked
about
today
is
we
represent.
We
are
single
districts
who
represent
people
and
we're
your
voice,
and
one
of
the
places
you
get
to
speak
to
us
is
in
these
city,
council
chambers
or
in
the
communications
you
have
with
us,
via
email
or
text
and
all
of
those
things
and
tonight
in
these
chambers.
If
there's
a
huge
movement
against
this
ordinance,
it
didn't
show
up,
if
there's
a
huge
movement
for
this
ordinance.
BF
It's
right
here.
It's
everybody
is
here.
You
want
this
now
be
careful
what
you
ask
for,
because
you
might
just
get
it
and
in
the
form
that
it's
in
its
got
some
things
that
need
to
be
adjusted.
I
know
that
every
one
of
us
around
this
table
me
included,
has
had
lots
of
visits
from
people
who
are
in
favor
of
this
ordinance
and
I
was
a
very
early
resistor
for
the
reason
that
I
just
thought
it
was
too
much.
BF
Government
I'm
tonight
gonna
be
a
first
reading
voter,
because
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
this
and
send
a
message
out
that
the
city
of
Charleston
is
a
leader
in
all
of
this.
I
was
influenced
mayor
by
our
trip
to
Europe.
For
sure
I
mean
we
saw
a
city
where
there
was
no
French
trash
now
there's
other
places.
I
will
tell
you
that
I
have
been
in
my
life,
Havana
being
one
of
them
where
there's
no
trash
either
and
the
reason
there
is
because
they
don't
have
any
resources.
They
don't
have
anything.
BF
BF
That
I've
drawn
on
one
is
I,
have
a
very
good
friend
in
the
world,
who's
an
educator,
and
he
and
I
run
all
over
the
place
literally
all
over
the
world
together
we're
in
Newport
this
summer
and
we
wrote
wrote,
ran
out
to
the
end
of
the
cliff
walk
if
you've
ever
been.
There
was
this
beautiful
place
out
in
this
Harbor
just
overlooking
we
got
the
end
of
the
cliff
walk.
It
was
hot,
it's
a
long
way
and
we
look
down
with
take
pictures.
We
look
down
in
the
water
and
there
was
plastic
bags
everywhere.
BF
I
mean
at
this
point
everywhere.
The
tide
had
brought
him
in
there
just
were
tons
of
plastic
bags.
They
were
styrofoam
too
lots
of
plastic
bags,
so
that
really
actually
stuck
with
me
and
I
knew
this
was
going
to
come
up
sooner
rather
than
later.
The
other
is
my
favorite
thing
to
do
on
a
Saturday,
especially
after
running,
is
to
go
to
five
loaves
and
have
a
coke
with
lots
of
ice
and
a
straw,
love
a
plastic
straw
and
my
coke,
everybody
does
I
think
well.
BF
The
server
there
who
I
become
friendly
with
has
consistently
and
continually
reminded
me
I,
could
bring
my
own
straw
right
so
now
in
my
glove
compartment,
I
have
cardboard
straws
which
I
bring
into
five
loads.
Every
Saturday
and
I've
got
to
bring
two
by
the
way
because
they
collapse
a
little
bit.
So
the
behavioural
part
to
me
we're
heading
in
that
direction.
I'm
gonna
vote
for
this
for
sure
I
do
think
we
should
keep
thinking
about
it,
I
think,
Katie
and
mark.
We
need
to
talk
about
some
of
these
exemptions.
I
worry
about
them.
BF
Every
law
is
only
as
good
as
its
law,
not
as
exemptions.
I
do
want
to
recommend
to
those
who
came
here
and
spoke
loudly
in
favor
of
this
tonight
that
you
keep
an
eye
on
the
ball
and
it's
the
legislature.
It's
not
us.
You're
gonna
need
help
at
the
state
level.
I
think
I.
Think
here
you
all
have
enough
influence
over
us
around
here,
not
just
in
our
legislative
capacity,
but
in
our
behavioral
capacity.
The
things
have
changed.
So
you
know
in
the
end,
people
are
here
they
want.
AX
AY
Mr.
mayor
and
council,
this
has
been
a
quite
an
interesting
discussion
this
evening
and
I.
Don't
think
that
we're
emphasizing
it
how
I
would
emphasize
it
I
agree
with
Councilman
ye
that
there
will
be
a
cost
for
this
financial
cost,
but
I
also
think
there's
another
cost
that
we
have
not
really
been
discussing
tonight.
AY
The
best
wealth
is
health,
I,
don't
know
who
said
it,
but
it
makes
sense
to
me
if
we,
if
you're,
if
any
of
your
children.
Okay,
if
you
just
have
an
income
that
there's
something
that
could
cause
home
to
you
or
your
family,
you
could
get
rid
of
it
fairly
quickly
without
hesitation
and
I.
Do
think
that
that's
how
we
have
to
look
at
this
ordinance.
AY
AY
Provide
the
plastic
for
all
those
places
that
have
banned
it,
you'll
be
supplying
it
to
their
Riverway.
So,
for
me,
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
think
of
this
as
a
health
issue
and
I
think
that
the
caught
the
additional
cost
for
bags
will
not
compare
with
the
cost
that
it
will
do
to
our
future
generations.
If
we
don't
take
a
stand
on
this
issue,
I
agree
enforcement
is
I,
agree
that
you
can't
legislate.
AY
Behavior
I
agree
with
all
those
things,
but
I
also
agree
that
it's
very
very
important
for
us
as
a
council
to
look
down
the
road
and
understand
that
our
waterways
are
being
polluted,
we're
creating
a
very
unhealthy
environment
for
our
future
generations
and
I.
Think
it's
very
important.
Regardless
of
how
limited
it
will
be.
If
it
just
helps
to
save
one
child,
just
one
child,
then
I
think.
AY
It's
very
very
important
that
this
body
sends
a
message
that
we
understand
the
importance
of
the
health
of
our
citizens
and,
yes,
it
may
cost
us
a
little
more
money
financially,
but
in
the
long
run,
I.
Don't
think
that
the
best
wealth
is
health,
and
we
should
protect
that
for
the
residents
of
this
city
and
beyond
at
all
cost.
Thank
you.
Mr.
mayor.
Thank.
BB
We
talked
about
change
in
behavior
and
I
had
mentioned
this
actually
in
the
sustainability
meeting,
but
the
state
of
Oregon
has
changed
behavior
with
their
people
that
you
remember,
you
should
get
ten
cents
back
on
a
coca-cola
bottle
in
Oregon
you
can.
You
can
actually
turn
in
a
recyclable
item
and
get
a
deposit
back,
so
they
have
proven
that
you
can
change
it
through
other
ways
than
then
changing.
Laws
and
I
certainly
think
that
that's
something
that
you
know
something
that
we
should.
We
should
look
at.
BB
You
know
in
as
we're
looking
at
this
I
mean
I
was
hoping
that
we
might
have
a
discussion
on
on
what
is
local
recycling,
but
you
know
I'm
I'm
gonna
vote
for
this
first
reading,
it's
important
to
me
I
care
about
the
environment,
I
care
about
you,
know
our
oceans
and
and
all
of
that
and
I'm
gonna
vote
for
this
periphery,
but
I
hope
that
we
have
some
discussion
on
this
ordinance
before
it
comes
back.
Jackson.
AX
Thank
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
I
want
to
clarify
with
mr.
Mitchell
cuz,
maybe
I
misunderstood.
You
served
that
you
were
concerned
about
customers
that
now
take
away
multiple
plastic
bags
from
the
establishment
where
they're
shopping
and
and
that
that
your
concern
was
that
they
would
only
be
able
to
have
one
bag
of
some
nature.
If
we
had
banned
the
plastic
bags
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
to
you
that
there
is
a
sentence,
render
the
regulations
of
the
ordinance
in
front
of
us.
AX
BE
I
know
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
placed
in
that
organism.
I
spoke
with
them:
okay,
but
I'm.
Just
saying
this
is
the
problem
that's
running
in
the
community
or
the
district
that
I
represent.
You
know
so
I
look
at
out
for
them
also
as
I
looking
out
for
the
total
city
of
Charleston,
and
they
talk
with
kids.
I
have
brands,
I
have
kids
children
I'm
looking
out
for
their
health
and
welfare
also,
but
even
at
that
you
know
we
still
have
to
look
off
to
people
right
person.
AX
BE
Se
and
mr.
mayor
what
I'm
gonna
do
I'm
gonna,
you
know
I,
think
I'd
say
this
under
this
I'm
gonna
make
the
motion
that
we
give
this
first
reading
and
then,
with
the
first
reading,
make
sure
that
we
do
some
dialogue.
We
try
to
straighten
out
some
of
these
things,
that's
in
the
ordinance
that
we
did
the
straight
now,
because
that's
that's
a
motion
motion.
D
A
Wanted
to
do
as
far
as
any
consideration
I
still
think
we
need
to
maybe
make
as
part
of
this
some
kind
of
a
letter
piece
that
we
instruct
our
judges
that
we
start
bringing
more
cases
that
we
start
working
on
this
litter.
If,
if
we're
going
to
see,
I'm
I'm
still
I've
got
a
problem
at
this,
doesn't
do
anything
this.
It
just
doesn't
fix
anything
and
I
want
to
fix
up
I
want
to
fix
the
letter
from
one
dude.
If
this
is
a
piece
of
it,
then
that's
fine,
you
will
they
come
in.
A
B
D
A
D
BD
BE
BD
That
was
the
motion
and
and
I
think
that's
the
right
thing
to
do.
I
would
ask
that
the
other
components
and
I
meant
to
mention
this.
My
first
comments
that
do
concern
me
is
that
the
request
for
exemptions
in
this
ordinance
are
approved
by
an
advisory
committee
and
and
I
will
just
say
that
that's
probably
not
appropriate.
I
know
that
there
are
many
council
members
who
sit
on
the
committee,
but
I
think
when
it
comes
to
making
exceptions
to
laws
that
we
pass,
but
it
needs
to
be
done
in
somebody.
BD
BF
Speak
to
that,
okay,
counselor
I've
made
a
note
about
that
and
I
forgot
I,
agree
with
that.
That
is
in
here
that
the
Advisory
Committee
handles
the
appeals
when
it
comes
on
to
this
body
for
an
appeal
on
the
appeal
as
to
whether
or
not
you
get
an
exemption,
I,
don't
think
that's
procedurally,
the
way
this
should
go.
Okay,
I
mean
we
need
to
have
a
better
procedure
if
you're
disgruntled
about
the
way
this
ordinance
is
enforced,
then
to
go
back
to
an
advisory
committee
that
only
meets
quarterly
I.
BC
AE
AK
BC
Committee
and
like
the
council
member
said
we
got
so
much
in
ordinances,
are
on
the
books
that
we
don't
impose
jaywalking
it's
illegal
to
ride
a
bicycle
on
the
sidewalk
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
We
discuss
that
for
hours
years
ago,
and
still
yet
these
old
ladies,
have
to
jump
off.
The
sidewalk
could
there's
so
much
to
bicycle.
So
all
we
do
is
pass
alternative
paths
on
it,
but
nobody
enforces
it
and
if
you
expect
livability
folks
that
they
can't
say
no
way,
they've
got
too
much
to
do
now.
AW
D
We've
been
listening
to
all
these
remarks
over
here.
Okay,
all
right,
can
we
call
the
question
muffled
motion
on
the
floor
to
give
first
reading
and
review
all
the
changes
you
mentioned
and
bring
it
back
to
you
for
second
reading,
and
we
can
just
discuss
those
changes
next
time,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
nay,
nay,
nay.
In
present,
all
right.
AS
C
AS
D
D
BE
BH
Mitchell,
so
the
Committee
on
Community
Development
met
on
Thursday
October
25th
at
4:30
p.m.
the
item
under
old
business
was
an
update
to
the
use
of
bond
funds
and
development
projects.
Each
of
you
should
have
received
a
memorandum
via
email
with
regard
to
that
they
basically
outlined
for
you.
Those
changes
relative
to
my
initial
report
to
Council
and
what
we
learned
after
further
consultation
with
Charlton,
destice
or
and
his
team
of
bond
counselors
out
of
Columbia
South,
Carolina
and
I
will
hit
on
those.
BH
Basically,
what
the
indication
is
is
that,
eventually,
that
property
will
come
back
to
the
city
of
Charleston
and
I
think
the
term
used
there
was
a
useful
life
being
thirty
one
point
two
years,
and
so
what
we
don't
want,
naturally,
is
to
have
that
property
transfer
back
to
us
with
any
debt,
and
so
naturally,
in
that
RFP
that
we
put
out
and
that
has
been
released.
We
will
look
closely
at
those
proposals
that
looks
specifically
at
having
lesser
public
subsidy
included
in
those
deals.
BH
Those
were
the
key
items
in
the
memorandum
that
we
sent
you
all
the
other
items
that
were
looks
at
on
or
that
were
addressed
or
presented
during
the
City
Committee
of
City
Council
meeting.
There
was
a
presentation
by
the
573
Meeting
Street
group,
which
is
being
led
by
Stacey
to
know
who
is
the
CEO
of
180
place.
They
are
a
group
that
is
interested
in
bond
funds.
That
was
information
only
their
group
is
looking
at
building
86,
affordable
housing
units
for
low
and
very
low
income
residents,
some
of
which
are
transitioning,
of
course,
from
homelessness.
BH
There
was
also
a
discussion
regarding
the
development
of
our
low
line,
affordable
housing
site
behind
670
and
670
King
Street,
and
basically
there.
The
presentation
did
several
things.
We
advised
the
committee
of
the
development
of
the
site
and
we
presented
during
that
time
of
massing
study
related
to
45
units
being
developed
there
with
parking
underneath
there
was
also
the
requirement
relative
to
infrastructure
improvements
that
were
necessary
to
make
that
project
most
viable.
Those
dollars
were
estimated
at
a
million
20,000.
We
did
not
have
final
numbers
and
still
don't.
BH
The
challenge
for
the
million
20,000
is
that
during
the
meeting
staff
recommended
that
those
funds
be
derived
from
TIF
funds.
This
particular
area
is
outside
of
the
TIF
district,
maybe
by
only
a
block,
but
nevertheless
it
is
still
out.
So
when
we
do
bring
that
back
to
City
Council.
What
we
will
have
to
ask
for
is
approval
from
you
all
to
allow
us
to
put
that
in
the
TIF
district,
showing
the
impact
that
that
particular
site
would
have
to
the
TIF
district.
BH
That
will
hopefully
help
to
fund
the
infrastructure
request
that
we
have
here,
because
it
will
take
approximately
that
amount
of
time
if
you
will
to
get
this
development
moving,
whether
we
apply
or
whether
they
are
4%
or
9%
Loen,
low-income
housing,
tax
credits
applied
for
so
that
is
part
in
particular
one
that
required
approval.
The
overture
workforce,
housing
agreement
was
deferred
and
will
come
back
to
the
committee
in
their
next
meeting
and
then
finally,
the
Upper
Peninsula
workforce,
housing
ordinance
is
with
you
tonight.
BH
The
committee
recommended
that
that
that
you
all
in
your
decision
making
great
first
reading
of
that,
it
would
then
go
black
back
to
or
go
to
play
mission
and
before.
Second
and
third
reading
of
that,
which
you
all
would
do
any
changes
or
any
further
recommendations
relative
to
that
ordinance
would
be
heard.
Then
and
I
don't
see.
Jacob
I
know
he's
there
somewhere,
but
that
was
the
summation.
If
you
will
of
the
agenda
items
on
the
city
committee
of
City
Council.
Thank.
AQ
BE
D
D
Miss
Johnson
made
was
that
this
was
discussed
at
the
meeting
that
we
would
also
have
a
similar
to
our
plastics
ban,
a
review
between
first
and
second
reading
on
this,
but
we
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
get
it
pending
so
that
we
have
a
number
of
properties
that
are
continued
to
come
in
newly
to
the
Upper
Peninsula
district,
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
some
affordable
housing
requirement
was
in
place
with,
and
it
would
be.
If
you
give
this
first
reading
tonight,
right
council,
member
Jackson,
then
dr.
Mitchell,
C,
cubes,
council,
member
Jackson,
Thank.
AX
You
mr.
mayor,
yes,
I
was
at
the
Community
Development
meeting,
so
participated
in
that
discussion
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
able
to
vote
in
favor
of
giving
this
this
wording
first
reading
I
do
I
have
my
own
recommendation
that
before
we
would
come
back
for
a
second
reading,
that
we
that
this
will
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
whether
it's
actually
on
the
agenda
of
the
Planning
Commission
before
we
have
our
work
session
with
the
Planning
Commission.
But
I
think
this
should
be
an
important
topic
that
we
discussed
together.
AX
Maybe
we
should
also
consider
amending
the
terms
to
deal
with
additional
height
that
we're
expecting
in
a
lot
of
the
properties
that
would
be
developed
on
the
Upper
Peninsula,
because
we
didn't
want
to
just
give
away
10%
of
workforce
housing
as
the
only
award
that
we
would
get
through.
That
kind
of
you
know
more
dense
zoning,
so
that
was
my
recollection
of
our
discussion
at
the
meeting
last
week
or
whenever
it
was,
and
I
would
I
would
fully
support,
exploring
the
opportunities
to
increase
the
density
of
the
workforce.
BF
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
so
it's
no
secret.
My
problem,
my
issue
with
this
ordinance
and
the
manner
in
which
it's
gotten
before
us
is
the
manner
in
which
it
was
originally
born,
and
that
is
this
was
an
opt-in.
Voluntary
join
a
new
zoning
classification
that
we
put
in
the
Upper
Peninsula
to
drive
development
and
density,
and
we
went
to
people
and
said
here's
what
you're
getting
we
put
it
down
on
their
desk
and
said.
BF
Read
this
you
can
either
opt-in
or
you
can
keep
the
zoning
that
you've
got
and
people
opt
it
in
and
that
we're
changing
the
game
and
not
an
insignificant
way.
This
is
not
anti
affordable
housing,
but
this
is
changing
the
game
for
people
who
are
going
to
develop
up
there
in
a
fairly
significant
way
and
I.
Don't
believe.
Mr.
BF
Lindsey
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
that
we
are
going
to
give
people
if
we
do
pass
this
ordinance,
as
is
now
drafted
with
the
changes
with
the
requirement
rather
than
the
opt-in
portion
of
or
the
voluntary
portsmen
for
housing.
We're
not
going
to
give
people
a
chance
to
opt
back
to
their
last
previous
owning
right.
So
they're
stuck
with
this,
even
though
they
opted
into
something
that's
changing
significantly.
If.
I
BF
We're
not,
then,
as
a
result
of
this
change
going
to
the
property
owners
saying:
okay.
Well,
we
change
the
game
midstream
on
you,
because
we
haven't
had
that
much
development
under
this
new
ordinance.
Yet
I
know
it's
coming.
There's
applications
in,
but
nothing
there's
not
been
a
lot.
That's
risen
out
of
the
ground,
yet
it's
coming
I
get
it
I
mean
that
area
is
about
to
be
hot,
but
something
but
not
a
lot.
BF
BF
If
we
have
a
joint
meeting
with
the
Planning
Commission
I
will
talk
to
them
about
this
a
little
bit
about
sort
of
how
this
the
history
and
the
genesis
of
this
particular
zoning
and
that
it
was
drafted
by
our
planning
department
and
then
we
gave
people
the
option
to
join
in
it.
Just
didn't
become
part
of
the
law,
and
now
we've
changed
or
about
to
change
it
of
them
in
a
way
that
will
significantly
impact
them
economically.
So.
BF
D
Then
again,
when,
when
it
came
across
my
desk
that
we
got
permits
going
out
to
a
firm
building,
300
plus
units
of
housing
in
the
U
P,
and
they
got
the
full
height
entitlement
and
the
full
density
entitlement-
and
there
was
not
one
unit
of
affordable
housing
with
the
focus
that
this
body
and
city
has
on
that
issue.
It's
worth
saying
you
know,
maybe
we
left
something
whenever
you
pee
was
put
in
place
that
should
have
been
there.
I
get.
BF
That
I
totally
get
that
and
I
mean
we.
The
focus
has
shifted
on
that.
But
again
it
is
a
change
in
zoning
that
does
create
an
additional
burden
that
runs
with
the
land
right,
which
is
you
know,
at
the
very
core
sort
of
property
rights
and
I,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
that
on
the
table
and
recognize
that
as
we
go
forward
through
the
zoning
process.
Thank
you.
I.
A
Said
it
served
me
a
little
bit
because
I
mean
I,
agree
with
you
and
we're
allowing
people
to
opt
out,
and
you
said
you
would
support
it,
but
I'm
sitting
here
thinking
if
we
got
later
on
this
75%
rule
the
Planning
Commission
rules
or
turned
something
down
like
that,
and
then
we
got
to
have
this
supermajority.
Is
that
I
mean
you
might
not
be
able
to
might
just
reading
something
into
this?
It
shouldn't
be
there.
If
somebody
came
back
and
board
of
zoning
change,
it
have
to
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
right,
paying
Commission
denies.
A
C
D
A
AX
A
A
Yeah
I
get
that
be
sure
what
we're
doing
here
that
me,
what
council
members
seeking
said
is:
we've
allowed
them
to
go
in
and
and
now
we're
changing
this
st.
substantially.
So
if
we're
gonna,
let
them
get
out.
We
got
a
group
of
people
over
here
that
are
not
elected
that
say
no,
we,
we
might
not
be
able
to
let
them
out
unless
we
get
what
Ted
vote
all.
D
Right
I
think
we're
taking
up
that
matter
again
later
tonight.
All
right
any
other
comments.
Hearing,
none
all
in
favor
of
the
ordinance
police
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
and
we
will
again
review
this
ordinance
before
it
comes
back
to
you
as
well
now,
committee
on
record
councillor
McGregor.
Yes,.
AY
Mr.
mayor
and
council,
the
recreation
committee
met
on
Monday
at
at
3:30
and
we
had
a
couple
of
items
for
discussion.
The
first
was
the
stony
field,
discussions
and
potential
funding,
and
that's
exactly
what
it
was
a
discussion.
We
took
no
action
on
that
item.
There
was
also
discussion
and
I
think
was
brought
forward
by
Councilman.
She
had
on
a
boat
launch
at
brittle,
Bank
Park
and
as
a
part
of
our
discussion,
yeah
part
of
our
discussion.
AY
BI
If
everybody's
not
familiar
with
ham
stuffs,
where
it's
one
of
the
oldest
dedicated
park
spaces
in
the
city
and
before
was
bisected
by
streets,
it
was
a
1/4
park.
Nonetheless,
there
are
four
quadrants
of
the
space.
The
fourth
quadrant
which
in
the
past
was
used
by
the
former
school
there
somehow
ended
up
on
our
tax
records
is
owned
by
the
school
district.
There's
no
real
paper
trail
of
any
title
transfers
or
deeds
to
that
property.
BI
Nonetheless,
we,
the
school
district,
has
a
fence
that
parcel
and
the
Neighborhood
Association
and
some
of
the
citizens
have
been
requested
that
we
do
something
with
that
to
make
it
publicly
accessible
for
a
long
time.
So,
subsequent
to
that,
we
we
have
a
lease
from
the
school
district
for
maybe
our
own
property.
BI
So
we
do
so
we
do
kind
of
have.
We
have
the
control
to
use
that
property
as
we
see
fit,
innovation
there's
a
reverter
to
it
if
they
need
to
use
it
for
school
so
anyway,
so
I
brought
this
up
to
the
to
the
mayor.
The
request
that
we
were
getting
from
the
Neighborhood
Association
and
some
of
the
people
are
in
the
neighborhood.
So
one
concept
was
to
do
this
really
cool
playground
in
this
space
and
open
it
up
for
the
public
and
make
it
accessible
make
it
some
other
things.
BI
And
so
we
kicked
that
around
the
mayor,
a
system
for
the
recreation
committee
to
review
it,
and
we
were
talking
about
funding
and
so
one
of
the
things
to
fund
the
project
was
to
use
the
TIF,
which
we
heard
about
earlier,
but
heard
the
approves
list
of
projects
identified
to
be
funded
from
the
Cooper
River
Bridge
TIF
Hampstead
square
was
not
in
that.
So
the
request
was
to
bring
that
to
Council
and
fund
a
playground
project
for
that
parcel
of
the
land
from
the
TIF
dollars.
BI
D
Just
as
an
explanation,
I
would
share
that.
The
the
language
I'm
told
regarding
public
expenditures
in
tips
is
is
to
say
its
proximate
to
the
area
and
in
fact
this,
this
Park
area
is
about
one
block
away
from
the
corner:
the
South
southern
part
of
the
TIF,
which
includes
Hills
cigar
factory.
So
it's
not
far
away.
I
would
say
it's
proximate
to
the
district
and
we
had
when
we
first
talked
about
expenditures
from
this
district.
D
We
had
set
a
number
a
big
number
just
for
park
improvements
and
but
but
it
wasn't
specific
other
than
improvements
to
the
Julian
Devine
center.
So
we
just
wanted
to
share
this
with
counsel
and
and
see
if
y'all
were
fine
with
us,
proceeding
to
to
study
what
we're
going
to
do
and
come
up
with
a
budget
and
come
back
to
you
with
it.
But
but
the
thought
was
that
it
would
be
come
from
the
funding
from
that
that
park
allotment
from
the
Cooper
River
TIF.
BE
District
I
represent
Romney
overnight
heard
about
it,
but
the
school
system
has
a
need
for
defense.
Ron
had
been
stronger,
they
need
to
let
the
church
music,
then
after
the
church.
You
know
something
we
haven't
happened
with
that,
but
they
said
it
was
owned
by
the
city.
No,
we
don't
know
who
owns
it
right.
D
BC
BC
BJ
Square
was
publicly
dedicated,
I
think
in
the
late
1700s
early
1800s
before
it
was
it
within
the
city
of
Charleston.
The
city
of
Charleston
did
not
extend
to
Hampstead
square
there's
case
law.
That
says
you
know
by
dedication
and
acceptance.
A
municipality
can
sort
of
take
over
a
public
publicly
dedicated
space.
That's
what
I
am
assuming
happened,
but
I
have
looked
in
the
instance
Claire
a
lot
and
I
have
found
no
deed,
School
District,
there's
more
recent
sort
of
Deeds
and
leases.
I
guess
everyone
figures.
BE
BE
D
AY
Yeah
and
mr.
mayor
I
mean
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
a
part
of
what
the
committee
wants
to
be
done.
It's
basically
exploratory
right
now
and
the
Recreation
Committee
did
vote
unanimously
to
have
the
mayor
and
Parks
move
forward
with
exploring
the
possibility
of
such
a
playground
and
then
come
back
to
recreation
and,
of
course,
back
to
the
body
of
a
hole,
and
we
voted
unanimously
to
to
allow
that
to
have
it.
That's.
D
AL
You
mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
we
met
this
afternoon
at
2
o'clock
to
take
take
out
one
issue,
and
that
was
to
recommend
for
your
approval,
an
amendment
to
add
a
hate
crime
as
our
arsenal
in
enforcement
of
those
folks
who
violate
another
section,
but
who
violated
with
an
intent
to
intimidate
another
person,
because
some
type
of
that
they're
different
and
that's
just
sort
of
a
very
simple
way
of
saying
it.
The
chief
Reynolds
is
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
regarding
what
were
our
intent
here
on
this.
AW
AL
BK
It
does
not
mirror
the
federal
statute
per
se,
I
mean
the
federal
statute
is
more
in
the
form
of
an
enhancement.
If
your
motive
is
because
of
the
person's
race,
religion,
sexual
orientation,
etc,
your
sentence
can
become
higher.
This
is
so
the
way
this
is
written.
This
is
a
completely
separate
crime
which
you
can
be
convicted
of
the
underlying
crime
in
this
crime,
and
then
they
can
be
sentenced
consecutive
to
one
another.
So
it
does
enhance
the
punishment,
but
a
jury
would
have
to
find
you
guilty
on
both
offenses.
AL
AW
BL
I've
got
a
just
a
real,
quick
overview
of
some
of
our
discussion
this
afternoon
and
the
Public
Safety
Committee.
If
I
could
just
highlight
a
few
numbers,
the
hate
crime
statistics
were
just
released
by
the
FBI
and
the
numbers
are
up
for
hate
crimes,
17
percent
in
2017,
with
a
37
percent
spike
in
crimes
targeting
Jews
and
Jewish
institutions
and
I'll
just
state
what
I
think
I
know
everybody
agrees
with,
but
as
leaders
from
all
walks
of
life
and
from
all
sectors,
we
need
to
condemn
anti-semitism,
bigotry
hate
whenever
it
occurs.
BL
We
are
one
of
a
handful
of
states
in
the
entire
country
that
doesn't
already
have
a
hate
crime
statute
in
the
state
and
the
the
passing
of
this
bill
I
think
shows
solidary
in
unity
against
hate.
It
helps
us
to
report
and
and
create
a
mechanism,
a
framework
for
data
collection
which
doesn't
currently
exist
to
bring
some
clarity
when
these
types
of
events
occur,
that
don't
fall
in
the
federal
statute
and
and
I
think.
BL
This
also
sends
a
message
that
we
care
about
a
lot
of
groups
that
are
listed
in
here
that
are
victimized
and
I
think
regularly.
We
don't
necessarily
hear
about
it
and
in
some
cases
it
involves
crime
and
victimization,
which
this
would
touch
on
within
the
city
and
I
think
it
creates
a
conversation
at
state
levels,
ultimately
to
get
a
state
statute,
which
I
think
is
what
we
need.
But
this
is
a
step
in
that
direction.
It's
very
simple,
I
think
it's
well
written
by
Steve.
A
I
mean
from
what
we've
just
said:
if
I
went
out,
beat
somebody
up,
I
mean
that
would
be
a
crime
in
it
of
itself,
but
if
I
did
it
some
other
reasons
that
I
would
could
be
charged
with
both
or
could
I
not
be
me?
Could
I
be
charged
with
a
hate
crime
and
not
the
other
crime,
or
does
it
have
to
be
yeah
and.
BL
Steve,
you
can
speak
to
this,
but
it
would
be
both
and
and
it
would
defeat
dependent
upon
the
circumstances.
Just
like
any
case,
the
facts
would
would
have
to
dictate
what
the
charges
would
be.
There
is
a
federal
statute,
something
like
mother
Emanuel
is
something
of
that
magnitude
in
other
states,
where
there's
a
state
statute,
the
state
statute
would
kick
in
in
this
case,
since
we're
absent
of
state
statute,
there's
a
big
gap.
This
would
address
that
gap,
at
least
at
the
city
level,
for
the
short
term.
Right
now,.
AY
AK
AY
BC
D
Would
anyone
else
like
to
be
heard
I
want
to
thank
Steve
also
for
his
fine
work
and
chief
Reynolds
support
of
this
measure?
He
spoke
earlier
at
committee
meeting
very
eloquently
about
this.
He
said
I,
don't
speak
for
the
mayor
and
I
and
I
was
ready
to
say,
but
chief
what
you
just
said,
you
did
speak
for
the
mayor
because
you
beautifully
stated
are.
D
AY
BE
D
AW
AW
Item
b1
1,
&
2.
We
had
a
hearty
discussion
on
separating
the
stormwater
management
department
from
all
public
safety.
Very
good
input
from
councilmembers
I
was
manufactured
by
ignore
and
Griffin
added
to
the
conversation
and
wanting
to
know
the
cost
wanting
to
know
the
structure
wanting
to
know.
I
guess
tangible
reasons
why?
AW
But
we
wanted
to
give
it
first
reading
approve
of
passed
the
committee
unanimously
while
we
continued
and
the
meds
going
to
get
those
answers
to
us.
So
now,
there's
obviously
going
to
increase
costs
because
we're
gonna
have
another
another
department.
Here
we
wanted
to
know
what
that
was
so
councilman
wagon.
If
you
want
to
add
to
some
of
your
points
or
not,
very
good
points
are
made
all
around
the
table,
but
it
passed
unanimous
because
this
department
has
grown
and
grown
and
it's
really
too
large.
D
A
AW
AW
Great
turnout
from
the
citizenry,
explaining
their
problems
with
pictures
and
you'd,
be
amazed
at
how
much
of
these
citizens
know
they
problem
in
some
cases
better
than
we,
but
again
not
real
I.
Don't
think
really
expensive
problems
fixed,
but
right
along
the
lines
of
larger
ditches.
In
some
cases,
ditches
that
have
been
filled
in
by
neighbors.
AW
So,
as
I
say,
the
councilman
shaheed
every
councilmember
around
this
table
can
come
up
with
a
list
like
that,
and
we've
got
a
somehow
final
priority
and
how
we
go
about
doing
that,
because
we
really
need
you
to
get
that
list
from
everybody
and
see
which
ones
have
the
high
priority,
in
particular,
where
water's
coming
in
to
people
homes,
nobody
house
should
flood
because
of
a
a
ditch
that
needs
to
be
dug
a
wide
pipe.
It
needs
to
be
clean
or
enlarged
and
I
think
that's
something
we
can
accomplish.
Hopefully
in
2019
absolutely.
AL
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
and
thank
you
can't
smoke
we're
wearing
so
I
asked
for
this
update.
Oh
about
a
half.
A
dozen
projects
had
been
floating
around
since
around
2016
with
several
these
properties,
and
a
lot
of
this
was
a
result
of
the
storm
that
we
had
and
on
July
20th,
and
these
folks
came-
and
it
was
important
for
them
to
hear
the
update
from
our
Department
of
Public
Works
and
to
take
part
into
this
process.
AL
But
the
one
thing
I
didn't
want
the
record
to
be
void
on
was
that
they
were
very
appreciative
of
the
work
that
the
staff
members
had
done,
and
the
response,
in
particular
the
Gilberts,
who
have
a
very
terrible
problem,
even
with
a
I,
would
call
a
normal
flood.
We're
talking
about
Frank
Newman,
coming
out
on
a
Saturday
bringing
pumps
out
in
in
responding
to
that
their
needs.
So
I
just
wanted
the
right
to
be
clear
that
our
department
does
a
lot
of
good
work
and
they
are
very
responsive
to
our
citizens.
AL
But
these
issues
are
not
multimillion-dollar
issues.
These
are
issues
that
can
be
addressed,
that
we
got
to
just
redirect
it
a
little
bit
and
I
think
that
they
were
very
satisfied
and
pleased
with
responses
they
got
from
the
committee
and
from
the
from
the
staff
member.
So
thank
y'all
for
hearing
them
out
all.
D
BC
D
Discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
the
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Next
we
have
our
bills
up
for
second
reading.
We
got
1
through
9
and
this
will
be
for
second
reading.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
do.
We
have
any
discussion
on
any
of
those
all
in
favor.
Please
say
aye
any
opposed
now
for
third
reading
of
the
ratification,
we've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
D
Have
it
I
gotta
work
on
signing
these
things,
but
let's
see
we
do
have
at
least
one
one
bill
up
for
first
reading
or
two
bills,
one
is
regarding
the
plan
unit
development
which
produces
our
property
for
the
North
pitchfork
and
the
second
one
is
well,
let's
proton
number
one.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
move.
D
D
Yep,
all
right
and
I
think
that
let
me
just
find
these
while
we're
in
session.
If
y'all
don't
mind,
it
just
takes
a
second.
So
our
next
meeting
is
Thursday
morning
at
nine
o'clock,
a
workshop
meeting
where
we'll
present
the
budget
to
you,
along
with
some
proposed
budget
changes
for
a
new
stormwater
department,
and
then
the
next
meeting
after
that
will
be
November.