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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 11/23/2021
A
B
Testing,
oh
okay,
that's
good!
The
green
line
didn't
know
so
welcome
everyone.
I
would
like
to
call
this
november
23rd
meeting
of
the
city
council
of
charleston
to
order.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
please
call
the
roll
council.
B
Here
and
let
the
record
show
that
councilmember
saccharin
is
with
us
online,
virtually
and
by
our
current
rules
that
is
allowed.
So,
if
you'd
like
to
join
us,
councilmember
appel
will
lead
us
in
an
invocation
in
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
D
Sure
thank
you
and
I
am
not
going
to
do
a
moment
of
silence
here.
I've
actually
prepared
for
this
prayer.
I
found
a
jewish
prayer
for
political
leadership
of
all
things.
D
God
of
history.
We
yearn
for
new
leadership
for
men
and
women
of
inspiration
and
insight
visionaries
to
build
nations
and
communities
in
your
image.
Stewards
dedicated
to
justice
unafraid
to
face
the
challenges
of
our
day,
so
that
our
cities
and
countries
resonate
with
compassion
and
health,
justice
and
mercy.
Kindness
and
peace
bless
our
leaders
with
dedication
and
foresight,
fortitude
and
imagination
to
solve
the
complex
issues
that
threaten
our
future
may.
They
lead
us
to
a
time
when
neighbors
embrace
and
the
communities
thrive.
D
A
time
when
liberty
and
equality
reign
supreme,
source
and
shelter,
grant
safety
and
security
to
all
nations
and
communities,
so
that
truth
and
harmony
will
resound
from
the
four
corners
of
the
earth.
Let
the
light
of
wisdom
shine
brightly
in
the
halls
of
power,
a
beacon
of
hope
for
every
land
and
every
people.
Thank
you.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
councilmember,
that
was
terrific,
and
unbelievably
we
have
no
special
presentations
or
recognitions
this
evening,
but
I
would
like
to,
I
guess:
make
two
announcements:
one
is
due
to
the
jewish
calendar
the
way
it
aligns
this
year,
we're
opening
our
holiday
season.
B
Just
past
thanksgiving
with
the
hanukkah
in
the
square,
so
I
invite
all
of
our
council
members
and
everyone
listening.
It
it'll
be
a
fantastic
time.
This
coming
sunday
in
marion
square
at
four
o'clock,
four
to
six
there'll,
be
food,
free
food,
music,
we're
going
to
light
the
menorah
and
tell
the
story
of
the
maccabees
and
it's
a
wonderful
inspiration
of
light
and
love
for
the
holiday
season.
This
sunday,
four
o'clock
marion
square.
B
So
the
other
thing
I
just
wanted,
rather
than
save
it
to
the
end,
I
wanted
to
wish
everyone
on
council
and
listening
again
a
happy
thanksgiving.
B
I
really
think,
even
though
there
have
been
challenges
the
last
couple
of
years,
we
really
have
so
much
in
charleston
to
be
thankful
for
so
many
blessings,
and
I
wish
y'all
and
your
families
the
happiest
thanksgiving
and
a
little
a
little
break
a
little
time
off
this
weekend
so
enjoy
that.
So
next
up
is
our
public
hearings.
We
have
a
few
of
those
and
christopher
morgan,
as
usual,
is
going
to
lead
us
on
those
christopher.
E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
might
need
to
adjust
this.
Are
you
all
able
to
hear
me
if
I
speak
like
this?
Okay?
Okay,
then
it's
working,
okay,
great
I've
got
a
powerpoint,
that's
going
to
come
up
here
there
we
go
all
right,
so
rezoning
e1,
so
this
is
on
spring
street
200
spring
street.
This
is
also
together
with
rezoning
e2.
E
This
is
a
tract
on
spring
that
the
request
is
to
go
from
five-story
old
city,
height
district
to
a
six-story
old
city,
height
district,
and
it's
in
the
area
that
is
outlined
in
the
well
point
to
that,
but
outlined
in
the
cross
hatch,
on
the
images
before
you
and
in
your
packages
and
then
also
adjacent
to
that
is
rezoning
e2
at
210
spring
street
again,
a
similar
request
from
five
story
to
six
story,
old
city,
height
district
for
the
bulk
of
the
property
and
then
in
the
back
corner.
E
Crosshatch
also
requested
oops
to
go
from
two
and
a
half
story
to
three-story
old
city
height
district.
I
think
they're
gonna
pull
the
slideshow
back
up
here.
E
There
we
go
so
that's
e
one
and
e
two,
and
we
just
have
some
images
of
these.
It
shows
where
they
show
in
the
current
in
our
new
city
plan,
they
are
in
the
neighborhood
designation
there.
E
They
show
the
aerial
images
of
the
property
they're
used
for
parking
at
present
and
some
images
that
show
you
the
neighborhood
to
the
rear
and
some
of
the
other
uses
across
the
street
and
just
a
few
from
the
street
new
buildings
going
in
there.
That
building
is
now
topped
out
that
you
see
under
construction
there
and
looking
down
spring
street
one
towards
the
west
ashley
area
and
planning
commission
has
reviewed
both
of
these
e1
and
two
and
recommended
unanimous
unanimously
for
their
approval.
B
All
right
would
anyone
from
the
public
like
to
be
heard
on
numbers,
one
or
two.
Please
come
forward.
Yes,
sir.
F
Anthony
g
bryant,
my
address
is
based
upon
the
internal
revenue
service
received
october
27
2021
before
your
meeting
on
october
26th,
the
issue
before
what
I'm
bringing
forward
as
under
the
comprehensive
plan
1994
and
the
issue
of
growth.
Also,
the
first
amendment
ordinance
that
you
have
that
this
is
police
power.
Okay,
zoning
is
police
power.
F
F
There's
two
million
dollars
of
deficit
that
you
have
you're
going
to
be
taxing
these
folks
and
other
folks
come
behind
you
for
that
for
their
money,
so
two
million
dollars
you're
in
the
hole
you
told
you
told
the
army
co-engineers
that
you
got
the
money,
the
leverage
for
the
flooding,
the
fighting
shouldn't,
be
an
issue
in
turn.
This
affects
growth
under
the
plant,
enabling
act,
it's
growth,
so
under
growth,
this
particular
applicant
and
all
applicants
are
being
affected
by
flooding
and
other
and
other
things
because
of
the
mayor's.
F
G
Thank
you,
mayor,
jeff
roberts,
on
addresses
on
broad
street
in
charleston.
We
appreciate
our
two
properties
getting
hurt
in
front
of
council.
It's
fully
supported
by
the
neighborhood,
as
we
have
done
things
for
many
many
years
in
this
neighborhood
and
helped
beautify
it
and
craft
the
urban
edge.
So
if
anybody
on
council
has
any
questions
on
this
request,
I'm
here
to
answer
thank
you.
B
I
B
E
It's
about
an
acre
and
a
half
portion
of
the
track.
That's
there.
It's
a
request
to
go
from
rural
residential
rr1
to
conservation,
there's
an
interest
in
putting
a
marina
on
the
property
that
would
be
on
the
water
of
course,
area,
waterborne
portion
of
the
property
and
our
ordinance
allows
for
marinas
and
conservation
zoning
districts.
E
That
shows
this
area
is
what
we
call
our
low
impact
and
conserved
area,
so
the
the
water
based
the
land-based
portions
of
the
the
marina
would
be
appropriate
in
that
location
and
in
line
with
what
the
new
city
plan
says,
we
have
a
couple
of
images
that
show
you
the
site.
It's
currently
undeveloped,
wooded
tract
here
you
can
see
the
portion
of
the
track
acre
and
a
half,
and
it
was
recommended
for
approval
by
planning
commission
with
a
6-0
vote.
G
H
E
E
Correct
and
so
the
city
doesn't
get
into
the
permitting
of
the
actual
marina
itself,
it's
just
the
other
associated
activities
with
the
marina
like
if
there
is
a
marina
office
or
store
or
something
like
that,
those
would
be
those
types
of
associated
activities
would
be
allowed.
They
would
not
be
allowed
in
like
an
rr1
area.
E
B
Could
I
ask
the
applicant
just
how
have
you
all
gotten
approval
yet
from
bheck
to
to
build
a
marina
and
how
what
size
it
is.
G
Yes,
sir,
we
do
have
the
approval
from
detect
for
the
marina
and
it's
110
slip,
marina
110.
G
It
could
potentially
be
open
to
the
public.
Yes,.
C
G
B
Any
other
questions
comments
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
haven't
all
right.
So
next
up
mr
morgan
number
four.
E
E
The
image
here
shows
that
the
site,
which
is
on
the
upper
end
of
president
street
up
near
burke,
high
school,
it
is
at
present
vacant.
We've
got
some
images
that
show
it
in
our
city
plan.
It's
part
of
the
neighborhood
area,
which
is
in
line
with
what
the
west
side
is
at
present,
and
here's
an
aerial
image
of
the
site
again
vacant
now
and
here's
a
street
level
view
of
the.
E
Most
of
them
are
two-story,
but
there
are
some
three
stories
in
the
surrounding
area
and
here's
some
more.
This
is
a
view
from
president
street
and
a
view
behind
it
of
structures
that
back
up
to
it
from
noonan
street
and
some
nearby
structures
that
have
recently
been
built
in
the
surrounding
area
and
planning.
Commission
did
review
this
and
recommended
its
approval.
Six
to
zero.
B
J
E
J
E
Well,
typically,
this
is
a
flood
hazard
area.
I
believe
so.
I
think
you
would
get
the
credit
for
that
ground
floor
if
you
were
up
to
six
feet
or
so
for
the
park
under
area
right,
I
don't
know
what
their
plan
is
as
far
as
a
height
for
the
ground
level
floor,
but
that
could,
if
it
was
too
much
higher
above
the
six
feet,
it
could
end
up
counting
as
a
story,
but
it
def.
I
think
what
their
intent
here
is
to
do
two-story
structures
above
the
parking
area.
E
K
Yeah
hi:
this
is
mike
levine,
I'm
I'm
the
current
owner
of
the
lot.
So
the
intention.
C
Here
would
be
to
build
only
three
stories
drive
under
garages
and
then
two
stories
above
it
we.
We
believe
it
is
within
context
in
the
neighborhood,
as
one
of
the
other
council
members
mentioned,
that
the
houses
that
are
all
on
the
lot
are
two
and
a
half
to
three.
K
Stories
but
we
feel.
B
E
Okay,
so
now
we
have
item
e5,
which
is
an
ordinance
amendment,
and
this
relates
to
our
vested
rights
section
in
the
ordinance
that's
based
on
what
the
state
requires
as
far
as
vested
rights.
This
is
a
clarification
to
when
applications
have
to
be
entered
into
with
the
city
to
extend
vested
rights
for
individual
already
approved
projects.
L
L
I
think
it's
important
to
make
the
distinction
that
this
is
not
taking
away
a
vested
right
or
tinkering
with
investor
rights
as
we're
granted
by
the
state
and
and
again
in
the
city
ordinance,
but
makes
the
the
important
distinction
of
when
an
applicant
must
reapply
before
the
the
expiration
of
those
rights.
L
I
think
it's
important
to
protect
the
city
and
to
to
provide
a
process
by
which
those
applying
for
vested
rights
have
a
you
know,
a
certainty
of
when
they
have
to
do
it
and
not
do
it
five
months
after
the
expiration
as
we
experienced
over
the
summer.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
comment
and
I
encourage
you
to
move
the
ordinance
forward.
F
Mr
bryant,
for
the
record,
anthony
g
brian,
got
to
make
clarity
that
I
have
a
lawsuit
against
bank
of
america
and
even
in
post
industries
and
they're,
located
in
columbia,
so
under
miss
gosset
and
in
colombia,
trying
to
make
sure
that
anthony
bryant
is
in
charleston,
not
in
colombia,
but
even
in
post
industry
in
you.
So
this
that's
the
right
issue.
F
How
can
we
identify
the
policies
and
practices
issue
with
this
issue,
or
how
can
we
establish
any
harm
that
could
be
done
to
those
that
are
poor
in
the
community
under
under
hud
rules
and
guidelines,
or
any
other
rules
and
guidelines
due
to
gentrification
in
the
city
for
close
to
50
years?
So
the
question
is:
has
this
ordinance
been
vetted
by
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
or
any
other
committees
to
ensure
that,
if
somebody's
an
african-american
or
black
in
this
city,
they're
not
going
to
be
impacted
negatively
by
this
policy.
B
D
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
completely
understand
the
need
to
clarify
the
issue
that
was
at
the
heart
of
the
litigation
over
the
summer.
The
timeliness
of
the
application
for
an
extension.
D
But
what
I
have
a
question
about
is
subsection
b3
and
that
reads
quote
any
change
or
amendment
to
this
chapter
that
would
no
longer
allow
the
execution
of
a
site-specific
development
plan
constitutes
a
prohibition
of
the
approval
of
the
extension
and
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
understanding
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
With
that.
C
D
It
does
and
I've
got
some
familiarity
with
this
issue
with
the
vested
rights,
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
important
clarification
in
our
ordinance.
That
has
been
frankly
an
open
question
under
south
carolina
law
for
some
time.
So
this
is
a
very,
very
good
improvement,
along
with
the
timeliness
issue
that
we
talked
about
earlier.
So
thank
y'all.
B
All
right
so
just
to
make
sure
for
a
second
reading
again,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
now
for
third
reading
and
ratification.
We
have
motion
and
second
any
questions
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it.
Mr
morgan.
E
Okay,
so
e6
is
another
ordnance
amendment.
This
is
to
modify
exceptions
to
height
and
setback
requirements
in
our
overall
height
ordinance.
E
This
is
to
give
us
the
opportunity
to
codify
how
our
zoning
staff
has
already
interpreted
these
elevation
issues
for
years
and
now
we're
going
to
have
it
in
print
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
It
also
makes
the
definition
of
a
story
consistent
throughout
the
zoning
ordinance
and
makes
it
link
up
with
how
the
story
is
defined.
In
an
old
city,
height
district
in
the
old
city,
height
district,
we
have
a
image
here
that
our
zoning
administrator,
mr
batchelder,
prepared.
I
think
that
should
be
in
your
packages.
E
But
basically
the
question
is:
is
this
a
two
or
three
story
house?
Well,
in
all
instances,
throughout
the
zoning
ordinance
a
would
be
a
story
b
area,
a
would
be
a
story.
Area
b
would
be
a
story
but
area
c.
That
kind
of
base
story
would
be
a
story
if
its
base
flood
elevation
is
more
than
one
and
a
half
feet
below
the
floor
or
if
the
lot
is
not
located
within
a
special
flood
hazard
period.
E
So
this
helps
explain
when
that
kind
of
extra
area
beneath
it
that
is
used
for
parking
in
many
instances
would
be
called
a
story
or
would
not
be
called
a
story,
and
I
believe
we
have
an
image
of
a
example
of
a
house.
That's
in
a
flood
hazard
area
that
I
believe
it
would
be
called
a
story
in
this
instance
here,
and
this
is
going
to
again
clarify
how
the
zoning
administrator
has
interpreted
this
on
a
daily
basis.
B
Please
let
mr
batchelder
know
that
his
artwork
is
far
superior
to
my
known,
my
own.
Would
anyone
from
the
public
like
to
be
heard?
Yes,
sir?
Please
come
forward.
F
I
think
we'll
leave
bachelor
as
well
he's
a
great
great
employee
for
the
city,
an
outstanding
human
being.
This
is
really
about
money.
Okay,
looking
at
this
right
here,
if
someone
is
in
a
certain
income
bracket
with
american
rescue
act
money,
you
got
care
exact
money.
You
got
all
kind
of
money.
You
got
in
colombia
for
six
billion
dollars
whatever.
F
M
H
I'm
seconded
for
discussion.
I
have
a
response,
mr
miller.
That's
a
very
legitimate
question
that
mr
bryant
just
raised
a
person
of
limited
means.
How
does
this
help
this
person?
Can
anybody
answer
that
question
on
staff
or
anything.
E
H
Or,
for
example,
if
the
call
comes
through
in
one
of
the
mitigation
pieces
and
let's
use
rosemont
as
an
example-
and
you
have
to
raise
the
house,
would
it
come
into
play,
then.
H
H
E
Well
again,
this
ordinance
is
just
codifying
kind
of
how
our
staff
has
interpreted
these
things
over
the
years
just
on
a
daily
basis.
It
just
wasn't
codified
in
the
zoning
ordinance
itself,
but
I
think
what
would
happen
in
those
instances
if
somebody
is
having
to
raise
a
house,
particularly
if
it's
an
entire
neighborhood,
for
example,
for
you
know,
mitigation
for
that
neighborhood
or
a
storm,
or
something
like
that.
H
The
reality
is,
some
of
those
houses
probably
will
have
to
be
raised.
I
want
to
create
something
that
puts
an
additional
financial
burden
on
low
to
moderate
income
people.
Those
are
the
people
that
will
have
to
sell
they'll
get
a
decent
price
for
their
property
problem
is
when
they
go
to
buy
the
night
next
property.
They
can't
afford
it.
H
So
that's
the
are
we
creating,
as
the
unintended
consequence
will
hurt
a
low
to
moderate
income
person
and
these
settlement
communities.
It
has
to
apply
to
the
same
guidelines,
as
you
know,
as
a
anson
bar,
so
to
speak.
E
And
essentially,
this
is
how
we've
been
interpreting
this
from
a
zoning
staff
standpoint
on
a
daily
basis
already.
This
is
just
codifying
it
in
the
zoning
ordinance
for
new
construction
or
if
there
were
a
house
that
were
being
raised
or
something
like
that.
This
is
not
addressing
the
issue
of.
Do
houses
need
to
be
raised
or
not
raised.
That
is.
G
Okay,
I
apologize-
I
I
think
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
confusion
about
flood
control
versus
zoning.
So
from
this
is
really
a
zoning
ordinance.
So
as
far
I,
I
think
it
would
be
treated
as
a
non-conforming
use
if,
for
instance,
a
underserved
community
if
a
building
were
knocked
down
that
technically
has
three
stories
under
this
new
ordinance,
but
would
be
I
mean
yeah
would
be
three
stories
on
the
new
ordinance
but
be
considered
two
under
the
old
ordinance
as
long
as
they
built
back
within.
G
I
think
it's
three
years
I
mean
they'd
still
have
new
flood
control
regulations
applying,
but
from
a
zoning
slash
use
perspective,
it
would
still
be
a
legal
non-conforming
use
to
construct
the
heights
sort
of
under
the
old
ordnance.
Does
that
I
know
that's
sort
of
complicated,
but
does
that
make
sense.
N
Because
it
sounds
as
though
there
are
exceptions
and
correct
me
chip
if
I'm
wrong,
if
you're
saying
that
the
communities
that
we
sort
of
just
described
may
not
have
to
meet
this
restriction,
am
I
interpreting
that
correctly.
G
I
I
think,
that's
right.
I
think
that
if
it's
complicated
by
the
flood
regulations,
I
think
you'd
have
to
in
certain
circumstance
comply
with
fema,
but
the
building
structure
itself
would
have
to
comply
with
the
zoning
ordinance,
the
use
controls,
including
the
height
or
it's
in
effect,
at
the
time
it
was
built
not
at
the
time
it's
rebuilt.
If
that
makes
sense,
because
it's
not
we're
not
talking
about
so
you
you'd
still
have
to
build
it
up.
G
But
if
you,
if
you
built
the
same
exact
building
on
top
of,
if
you
built
the
same
exact
building
on
top
of
what's
built
up,
you
could
do
it
legally
under
this
new
ordinance,
even
if
it
violates
the
new
orleans
in
that
situation,
does
that.
B
G
N
C
The
reason
this
came
about
is:
we've
got
new
construction
developers
that
want
to
build
two
stories
over
parking.
You
know
throughout
the
city
right
in
non-flood
zone
areas,
and
so,
if
you
are
in
a
flood
zone
which
rosemont
would
be,
if
someone
wants
to
build
new
construction
sure
you
can
do
parking
with
two
stories
on
top.
But
what
you're
describing
is,
if
someone's
flooded
out
and
they
have
to
get
fema
grants,
they
can
build
exactly
what
they
had.
We
just
have
to
make
sure
we
follow
fema
guidelines.
C
H
H
The
new
construction,
no
problem,
even
major
renovation,
no
problem
it
is
that
catastrophic
event
from
a
flood
all
from
a
hurricane
for
the
long-term
resident
right
that
you
know
that
I'm
concerned
about
another
unintended
consequence.
Maybe-
and
I'm
not
exact
on
this.
Well,
let's
put
it
like
this.
I
don't
want
it
to
be
that
person's.
C
B
We
we
can
come
back
with
some
more
discussion
before
second
reading,
but
but
if
I
may
offer
it
just
seems
to
me
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
define
whether
you've
got
a
two-story
house
or
a
three-story
house,
and
then,
if,
if
you
were
elevating
it
and
you're
only
it
made
it
a
three-story
house,
but
you
were
only
allowed
to
because
of
the
height
district
to
build
a
two-story
house.
The
council
could
come
back
and
change
the
height
district
right
and
allow
the
who
the
homeowner
to
to
have
his
three-story
house.
B
If
that's
the
way,
it's
defined
the
whole
issue
of
the
the
money
part
of
being
able
to
elevate
a
house
seems
to
me
to
be
a
different
issue
that
has
to
be
addressed
through
either
fema
grants
or
in
the
case
of
rosemount.
B
You
know
the
conversation
has
been
that
federal
government
is
gonna
and
the
city
would
would
pay
for
those
elevations
to
occur.
So
you
know
this
is
just
setting
the
definition.
If
I'm,
if
I'm
reading
this
correctly
correct.
Yes.
B
E
It's
a
half
acre
lot.
It
had
already
been
subdivided
along
with
other
lots
along
the
street,
so
if
the
lot
lines
were
set,
it
would
come
in
to
the
city
as
an
rr1.
That's
the
zoning.
That's
recommended
for
it.
E
If
you
look
at
our
new
city
plan,
it
is
in
the
low
impact
and
conserved
area,
but
because
the
lot
has
already
been
created,
we
would
be
recommending
for
it
to
come
in
as
rr1,
because
that
is
the
closest
category
that,
in
the
existing
city,
zoning
ordinance
fits
the
lot
size
that
has
been
created
there.
It
also
matches
the
lots
that
are
on
the
surrounding
streets
with
the
rr1
and
that's
typically,
what
we
do
with
the
recent
annexations.
E
I
have
some
images
that
show
the
context
again.
It's
fronting
on
the
stone
river.
There
are
other
similar
sized
lots
around
it,
and
this
one
is
undeveloped.
Planning
commission
recommended
for
the
rr1
with
a
5-0
vote.
F
I
want
to
thank
keith
warren
and
kelly
gregory
for
the
my
concerns.
The
issue
with
me,
under
the
planning
enabling
act
of
1994,
would
be
annexation
period.
F
I
think
that
this
needs
to
be
a
serious
question
to
the
biden
administration
in
terms
of
what
he
feels
about
the
delusion
of
the
black
vote
by
city
councils
regarding
getting
their
tax
bases
to
a
certain
level.
So
I
don't
care
how
you
vote
in
the
annexation,
but
the
big
question
is:
has
annexation
took
in
our
political
power
from
black
people.
B
F
B
Sir,
anyone
else
like
to
be
heard
on
this
matter
a.
M
B
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
any
discussion
or
questions
for
the
annexation,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Thank
you,
mr
morgan
appreciate
that,
and
next
up
is
approval
of
our
city
council
move.
M
B
F
F
I
saw
ask
mr
rosen
this
question,
who
is
alfred
h,
stevens?
The
vice
president
of
the
confederacy?
Ask
him
this
question:
who's
judah,
benjamin
judah,
benjamin
the
secretary
of
state
for
the
confederacy,
who
advised
jefferson
davis,
asked
him
that
question.
That's
what
I
wanted
to
ask
this
school
should
be
changed
to
benjamin
franklin,
butler
or
thaddeus,
stevens
or
or
or
dudley,
gregory
or
keith
waring,
but
it's
appalling
to
come
to
a
school
named
after
a
racist,
a
perpetual
bigot
that
is
embarrassing.
F
Now,
since
you're
near
school.
I
want
to
ask
a
question
to
clydeburn
and
many
others
is
every
school
in
library,
in
compliance
with
protecting
children,
act
to
the
21st
century,
title
1,
protecting
children,
title
2,
the
leading
online
predators,
title
3,
children
list
brokers,
administration
and
enforcement,
section
3
by
the
fbi,
homeland
security
and
actions
by
states
by
the
attorney
general's
office.
I
need
to
know
that
we
need
to
know
whether
our
children
is
safe
with
a
public
hearing
around
the
state.
F
Many
of
these
cities
and
counties
are
not
in
compliance
with
the
21st
century
act.
I
found
a
complaint
on
that.
The
the
publishers
commission,
before
virtual
learning,
so
your
concern
about
our
children.
As
you
say,
why
don't
you
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
2007
2008
act?
You
don't
have
it.
I
checked
it
but
you're
going
to
make
accusations
about
people.
How
can
you
administer
and
enforce
something
you
don't
make
known
to
the
public.
C
C
C
C
C
When
I
go
up
to
golden
corral,
I
see
just
so
much
poor
white
folks
up
there
trying
to
get
a
good
meal.
When
I
go
to
a
walmart,
I
see
the
same.
I
go
to
the
dollar
store,
I
see
the
fam,
so
this
is
not
about
black
and
white.
This
is
about
corruption
and
the
foundation
of
corruption.
Is
greed
envy
jealousy
and
ignorance?
C
G
C
L
C
L
Okay,
sweet-
I
just
wanted
to
quick.
My
name
is
ashley
smith,
ashley
smith,
and
I'm
just
speaking
today
to
ask
the
council
to
revisit
the
commission
on
equity
inclusion
and
racial
conciliation
and
to
urge
the
council
to
vote
in
favor
of
making
the
commission
a
permanent
committee.
L
I
just
wanted
to
speak
on
this
because
we
must
come
together
as
a
city
to
acknowledge
and
repair
what
has
been
done
to
charleston's
black
community
as
a
city,
we
must
ensure
future
generations
have
the
opportunity
to
grow
and
thrive
in
a
just
and
equitable
community,
and
especially
in
light
of
recent
events
happening
in
our
country.
Charleston
has
the
opportunity
to
step
up
as
leaders
and
set
a
precedent
by
establishing
a
permanent
commission
on
equity.
L
B
All
right,
so,
thank
you
very
much
that
ends
our
public
participation
thanks,
everybody
who
participated
tonight.
Next,
we
move
on
to
our
petitions
and
communications.
First
up,
we
have
an
appointment
by
a
council
member
repel
for
service
on
our
citizen
police,
advisory
council,
jack
handigan.
The
third.
B
J
B
Okay,
next
up,
we
have
a
presentation
from
haygood
morrison,
representing
our
army
corps
three
by
three
advisory
committee.
Hagar
has
served
as
chair
of
the
committee
since
its
inception
earlier
this
year,
and
I
I
see
at
least
one
of
their
members
here.
I'm
hey
good
I'll
call
and
ask
you
to
recognize
any
other
members
here,
but
before
he
gives
this
report-
and
I
think
you
all
know
this-
they
have
done
a
remarkable
job
this
year,
the
time
the
devotion,
the
dedication
that
they
have
put
into
this
topic.
B
O
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
It's
our
pleasure.
So,
mr
mayor
council
members,
my
name
is
haygood
morrison
jr
and
certainly
appreciate
y'all's
time
here
today,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
army
corps
3x3
advisory
committee.
C
O
Great
thank
you.
So
we
greatly
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
our
recommendations
and
conclusions
to
council
here
today.
Over
the
last
10
months,
the
committee
spent
countless
hours
studying,
analyzing
and
debating
the
many
facets
of
the
charleston
peninsula
perimeter
protection
wall.
O
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
members
for
their
commitment,
professionalism
and
their
work
here
today
on
the
committee.
Well,
of
course,
on
the
staff
front
we
have
dale
morris
and
caitlin
costello
and
kevin
mills
and
cash
and
drill
lay
who
are
on
the
committee
with
me
as
well.
So
certainly
many
thanks
to
them
and.
B
O
O
In
addition
to
the
recommendations
we
provided
on
october
12th
regarding
the
need
for
a
comprehensive
water
management
plan,
a
rosemont
resiliency
study
and
a
review
of
the
east
side
alignment,
we
have
four
additional
recommendations.
Three
additional
recommendations
today
regarding
the
next
phase
of
ped
or
the
preliminary
engineering
and
design
phase
staffing
recommendation,
a
recommendation
regarding
our
committee's
timeline
and
natural
and
nature-based
features
recommendation.
O
So
you'll
all
have
these
recommendations
in
in
your
packets.
So
the
one
that
I
will
read
word
for
word
is
the
recommendation
regarding
our
move
into
pad
our
suggestion.
Recommendation
regarding
pad
aside
from
that
I'll,
provide
a
brief,
summary
and
happy
to
discuss
any
detail.
O
So
our
conclusion
is
that,
while
it
requires
further
diligence,
perimeter
protection
is
a
key
facet
of
an
overall
water
management
system.
We
also
strongly
encourage
the
city
of
charleston
to
pursue,
coordinate,
advocate
and
fund
all
key
capital
projects
to
achieve
an
integrated
water
management
system.
O
The
remaining
three
recommendations
are
recommendation
regarding
natural
and
nature-based
features,
which
recommends
that
the
city
work
with
the
core
to
better
incorporate
natural
and
nature-based
features
and
the
details
which
are
outlined
in
that.
In
that
recommendation
text,
you
have
also
a
recommendation
of
the
city,
evaluate
and
act
upon,
an
evaluation
of
the
staffing,
a
potential
need
for
increased
level
of
staffing
during
the
ped
phase,
at
which
time
the
the
work
will
become
a
lot
more
detailed
and
time
intensive.
O
B
Thank
you
again
for
your
service.
Let's
keep
you
at
the
mic
for
just
a
minute
in
case
any
of
our
council
members
have
a
question
for
you,
councilmember
griffin,
thank.
M
You
so
much
for
that
information.
I'm
just
wondering.
Did
you
all
take
a
vote
to
move
into
to
recommend
moving
into
the
next
phase,
or
was
it
unanimous.
O
Was
it
the
majority
yeah?
We
did
take
a
vote
so
at
the
meeting
I
believe
we
determined
we
had
a
quorum.
We
took
a
vote.
The
vote
at
the
meeting
was
unanimous.
We
also
received
two
additional
letters
which
don't
count
towards
the
vote,
but
we're
in
support
of
the
of
the
recommendations.
O
M
M
As
you
all
were
deliberating,
and
I
feel
like
your
group
has
been
the
epitome
of
what
we
would
hope.
Citizens
advisory
committees
will
provide
to
our
education
as
a
set
of
leaders
making.
You
know
very
complicated
and
protracted
decisions,
as
well
as
creating
the
opportunity
to
have
confidence
from
the
public
in
the
way
that
you
did
deliberate
and
the
way
that
you
built
consensus.
M
I
heard
many,
you
know
many
disagreements
and
a
lot
of
times
that
sort
of
quashes,
the
fervor
of
a
group
like
this.
That's
trying
to
be,
you
know,
collegial
and
communicative
and
on
you
know,
having
all
the
disparities
of
your
own
lifestyles
and
things
like
that,
but
to
a
person
you
hung
in
there.
You
never
allowed
people
to
just
sort
of
you
know
like
get
the
last
word
with
without
any
follow-up
or
what's
gonna
happen.
M
Next
and-
and
I
think
that
that's
just
exemplary
in
the
way
that
we
would
really
want
people
to
that-
we
have
an
amazing
future
ahead
of
us
as
a
city
and
a
region,
and
this
is
just
a
municipal
decision
making
process
right
now.
But
in
talking
to
all
my
colleagues
and
people,
you
know
around
the
region,
we
are
the
low
country,
so
we
need
to
continue
to
hold
high
the
way
that
we
address
some
of
these.
M
B
So
if
I
may
add
another
comment
and
go
ahead,
councilmember
shay.
O
So
maybe
ask
that
question
a
different
way.
I
I
think
I
see
we're
going
with
that,
but
if
you
could
provide
a
little
more
color
on
that
question,.
A
O
Yeah.
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
I
think
that
helps
answer
the
question.
I
I
think
the
answer
is
no,
but
the
longer
answer
is
that
this
preliminary
engineering
and
design
phase
will
help
incorporate
all
the
recommendations
that
that
we've
set
forward
in
the
event
that
we
reach
an
impasse.
It's
been
clarified
by
the
corps
and
and
by
us
several
times
by
the
city
that
we
can
part
ways,
and
so,
in
the
event
that
we
find
a
point
that
we
just
can't
come
to
an
agreement
on.
O
So
there
are
several
unanswered
questions
which
you
know
we
believe
will
be
answered
during
this
ped
phase.
So
at
this
point
our
recommendation
is
to
you
know
the
key
word
being
cautiously
cautiously,
move
into
this
preliminary
engineering
and
design
phase
where
we
can
begin
to
create
the
questions
to
to
be
answered
or
the
court
can.
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
gregory
and
then
mitchell.
N
One
of
the
objectives,
one
of
the
objectives
has
to
do
with
nature-based
solutions.
O
The
core
hasn't
incorporated
in
the
most
recent
documents,
some
natural
and
nature-based
features,
which
is
great,
and
you
know
one
of
our
recommendations-
calls
for
or
really
urges
additional
study
and
incorporation,
natural
and
nature
based
features.
O
K
Sure,
thank
you.
Let
me
just
before
I
answer
the
question.
I
want
to
express
my
sincere
gratitude
to
chairman
haygood
for
leading
this
commission.
It
was
an
impossible
job
being
he
did
a
great
job
doing
this
he's
not
an
engineer,
but
he
has
learned
a
whole
lot
and
he's
just
did
a
fantastic
job
and
it
is
a
wonderful
expression
of
citizenship.
So,
on
my
behalf,
thank
you
regarding
feasibility,
councilman
gregory
on
nature-based
features.
K
The
army
corps
of
engineers
has
brought
in
a
number
of
nature-based
features,
outboard
of
the
combo
wall
in
the
marsh,
and
that
is
to
help
protect
that
we
have
said
in
the
city
comments
the
army
corps
veneers,
which
are
now
part
of
the
formal
record.
We
want
to
pursue
more
in
ped,
and
we
will
you
have
my
commitment
to.
If
I'm
part
of
this
process,
I
will
do
that.
K
I
believe
in
them
where
they're
appropriate,
they
don't
mitigate
surge
risk,
but
if
they
provide
an
additional
environmental
benefit
and
other
benefits,
we
should
work
for
them.
They
can
be
used
as
what's
called
environmental
mitigation
and
they
can
be
pursued.
If
not
in
an
environmental
mitigation
aspect,
they
can
pursue
be
pursued
as
a
betterment,
which
is
something
then
the
city
and
the
city
would
have
to
pay
for,
in
addition
to
its
other
costs.
But
those
are
things
we
explore
in
head.
K
That's
part
of
ped
is
you're
actually
negotiating
where
the
structure
exactly
goes
because
the
feasibility
studies
determine.
Is
it
feasible
on
public
property?
That
was
the
starting
point.
Is
it
constructable?
Do
we
have
the
subsurface?
Is
it
feasible
and
is
there
a
federal
interest?
We
talked
about
that.
There
is
a
federal
interest
because
of
this
high
bcr,
so
the
federal
government
is
willing
to
say
look.
We
have
a
federal
interest,
we'll
help
you
pay
for
this,
you
get
into
ped.
K
That's
when
you
negotiate,
as
I
try
to
explain
before
this
is
a
negotiation
between
the
federal
sponsor
and
the
local
sponsor,
exactly
where
it
goes
exactly
what
it
looks
like
exactly
how
it
functions
and
exactly
what
additional
features
you
add
to
it
and
again
those
can
be
within
the
army
core
regulations
if
they
fall
within
those.
What
we're
asking
for
that
is
a
cost-shared
effort,
65-35
federal
65,
local
35.
K
If
we
decide
we
want
them
and
they
don't
reduce
the
surge
risk
mitigation.
We
have
to
maintain
the
same
level
of
surgeries
mitigation
with
whatever
we
add
to
it.
If
it
doesn't
reduce
that
surgeries
mitigation,
then
we
discuss
how
we
pay
for
it,
and
then
the
city
will
be
asked
to
consider
it
as
a
betterment,
and
then
the
city
council
would
be
asked.
Do
you
want
to
pursue
this?
So
that's
a
negotiation
that
will
occur
during
pay.
K
So
natural
nature-based
features
an
oyster,
sill
or
a
marsh
or
a
mangrove
will
not
reduce
surge
for
the
peninsula.
So
you
still,
your
primary
federal
interest
here
is
to
mitigate
third
risk.
K
We
can
add
additional
benefits
to
those,
and
those
are
there
are
a
number
of
nature-based
features
within
the
cost
right
now
and
those
are
there
if
I
can
be
particularly
or
more
exact
here,
there
is
an
opportunity
in
my
mind
when
you
look
at
brittlebank
park
as
a
spot,
where
you
could
think
of
an
additional
or
adding
nature-based
features
to
make
to
increase
or
enhance
surges
reduction
and
make
that
an
amended
more
of
an
amenity
and
less
of
an
unattractive
gray
wall.
For
that
area,
which
is
what's
been
put
forth
in
the
feasibility
phase.
K
That
is
something
that
we
should
do.
There
are
other
places
on
the
peninsula
where
we
can
think
about
adding
nature-based
features
in
and
again
if
they
achieve
environmental
mitigation
benefits.
They're
part
of
the
project
cost,
if
they,
if
they
provide
other
benefits
that
are
not
related
to
surgeries
reduction
or
environment
litigation,
they
become
a
betterment
and
the
city
can
add
them
in,
provided
they
don't
reduce
the
surgeries.
This
is
all
very
complex,
but
there
are
opportunities
here
and
it's
very
clear
that
I
think
we
need
to
try
to
pursue
these
in
pay.
I
Yes,
I
would
like
to
thank
you
both
for
what
you
have
done,
but,
as
you
remember,
I
think,
when
I
was
up
there
when
you
all
came
up
to
rosemont,
and
it
was
a
lot
of
questions
that
was
asked
up.
The
rosemont
and
they're
still
asking
questions
to
me
as
of
today.
I
They
are
really
thinking
about
resilience
so
far
as
having
money
in
which
they
want
the
city
to
put
money
in
the
2022
budget
for
her
resilient
plan
for
rosemont,
because
they
know
that
there's
no
wall
going
to
be
there,
but
with
the
marsh
area
that
the
water
is
coming
over
and
affecting
the
houses
there.
Now,
even
some
other
police
officers
that
live
there,
they're
having
problem
with
the
water
coming
over
from
the
marsh
into
the
homes,
which
is
pretty
bad
up
in
that
area.
I
And
when
you
talk
with
nature
based,
I
was
looking
at
that
as
something
has
to
be
done
there.
So
they're,
looking
more
at
even
without
the
wall.
I
It
floods,
when
these
have
a
normally
storm
there,
just
a
hive
tide
up
to
may
and
it's
flooding.
Sometimes
he
came
to
get
in
the
roads.
I
mean
into
bridgeview,
so
I
don't
know
if
the
the
wall
going
to
do
that
to
help
anything
at
all
in
that
those
particular
areas,
even
if
there
was
building
in
that
area
which
is
not
going
to
do
it
and
another
problem
that
I
have
personally
is
that
they
said
congress
is
going
to
appropriate
this
money.
I
I
We
don't
know
so
we
are
speculating,
what's
going
to
happen
because
I
know
in
three
years
you're
going
to
have
a
new
congress.
I
know
that
as
a
fact,
so
I
I
know
I
just
trust
factor
a
little
bit.
I
don't
have
right
now
with
all
that's
going
on.
I
think
we
need
to
come
up
with
some
other
mechanism,
even
with
the
flooding.
I
We
need
to
really
look
at
the
flooding
that's
happening
in
the
city
of
charleston,
as
we
speak
as
as
now
you
know,
people
are
flooding
letting
themselves
out,
but
just
with
other
without
the
storm
surge,
we
are
being
flooded
every
day.
You
know
with
this
high
tide
is
coming
in,
so
I'm
looking
at
mostly
fixing
the
flood
that
we
have
to
deal
with
that
already
in
looking
at
the
wall
myself.
I
So
this
is
what
a
lot
of
people
are
concerned
about,
and
this
is
what
a
lot
of
people
are
talking
about
in
my
community
in
the
community
I
represent.
This
is
what
they're
talking
about
more
than
this.
The
wall
they're
talking
about
more
the
flooding
that
we're
dealing
with
for
all
these
years,
that,
with
all
the
storm
surge
all
these
years,
we
didn't
have.
You
know
we
have
storms,
but
it
wasn't
coming
up.
It
wasn't
bad
as
we
as
people
speculating
it.
So
we
need
to
deal
with
what
we
have
to
deal
with
now.
B
So
if
I
may
address
that
for
just
a
moment
and
feel
free
to
jump
in,
but
one
of
the
recommendations
of
the
committee
is,
in
addition
to
doing
a
comprehensive
water
plan
to
fill
in
all
the
gaps
of
all
the
studies
and
other
plans
that
the
city
has
done,
and
you
might
have
seen
mr
mars
sent
out
one
pager
the
other
day
to
talk
about
what
that
means.
B
Isn't
that
correct,
and
so
I've
been
talking
with
mr
morris
about
this
over
the
last
week
and
and
we
did
propose
in
our
2022
budget
of
500
000
for
water
plan
study.
B
The
comprehensive
water
plan
I
would
propose
to
council
when
we
take
up
the
budget
next
week
that
we
specify
that
a
portion
of
of
that
money
go
specifically
to
what
what
I
hear
they're
asking
for-
and
I
think
the
committee
is
recommending-
and
I
agree
with
that-
we
should
have
a
specific
rose
amount.
Resilient
study
done
along
with
the
comprehensive
water
plan.
B
It
may
mean
that
we'll
have
to
find
a
little
money
more
money
than
the
500
that
we've
put
proposed
for
next
year,
but
we
don't,
we
don't
have
definitive
quotes
on
those
two
two
items
yet
anyway.
Do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
what
I
just
said:
hey
good!
Does
that
make
sense.
I
One
more
question,
mr
mayor,
before
the
answer:
the
question:
even
up
there
in
particular
in
that
particular
area,
they
were
talking
more
when
they
spoke
about.
You
know
trying
to
do
what
they're
gonna
do
up
in
that
particular
area,
and
a
lot
of
people
got
really
really
upset
because
when
he
asked
the
corps
supposedly,
if
they
do
this
and
they
have
to
build
their
house
again
and
some
of
their
houses
are
on
slabs
and
they
said
well
well,
sometime
you
might
have
to
you.
I
Might
you
might
lose
your
home
that
put
them
or
not
bro
up
in
that
area
and
right
people?
Don't
even
want
that
to
happen,
because
they
know
they
can't
rebuild
again.
They
can't
afford
it.
So
this
is
a
problem
they
have
in
there
because
a
lot
of
the
houses
are
built
on
slabs.
So
if
I
can't
raise
those
homes
with
a
three
by
three,
this
is
a
problem
that
they're
having
up
there.
Mr
mayor
there
an
opera
up
there
and
they're
calling
me
and
jumping
on
my
neck.
I
You
know,
but
I
can
go
but
so
far.
So
this
is
what
happened
even
when
you
all
had
the
meeting
up
there
and
you
heard
heard
obviously
asked
those
same
questions.
They
were
up
there.
They
asked
us
the
questions
would
ask,
what's
going
to
happen.
If
you
can't
raise
my
home
and
that's
what
the
court
said
well,
either
then
we
might
have
to
the
house
will
be
torn
down
or
have
to
be
just
eliminated.
No.
B
Can
I
ask
mr
morris
and
and
morris
to
address
that.
K
So
I
have
three
items
here.
Let
me
try
to
hold
them
in
my
active
memory
for
this
latter
issue.
If,
if
you
move
into
ped,
the
council
decides
to
move
into
ped,
rosemont
and
bridgeview
are
in
pet
phase
one.
So
we'll
start
to
address
those
issues.
The
surveyor
will
send.
We
sent
out
an
engineering
company
so
not
to
survey
all
the
homes
to
find
out
which
ones
can
be
elevated.
Not
all
the
homes
in
ridgeway
need
to
be
elevated,
because
the
center
of
the
neighborhood,
as
you
know,
is
fairly
high.
K
It's
the
homes
near
the
marsh
that
are
lower.
That
would
need
to
be
elevated.
They
would
survey
those
homes
and
say
okay.
This
is
safe
to
elevate,
and
this
one
is
not
safe
to
elevate
or
we
have
questions.
If
those
questions
will
survey
further,
most
homes
can
be
elevated,
even
if
there's
a
lot
of
technology
that
you
can
use
to
elevate
homes
if
there
is
a
home
cannot
be
elevated.
K
So
if
there's
a
teardown
required
to
allow
this
project
to
move
forward,
that's
if
the
house
is
just
unable
to
be
elevated
because
it's
structurally
unsound,
then
there
would
be
a
teardown
and
there
are
federal
requirements
for
how
that
works
and,
as
the
mayor
said,
when
those
homes
are
elevated
for
the
people
who
do
who
do
need
their
homes
to
be
elevated.
K
If
we
proceed
within
the
project
budget
is
the
money
to
pay
for
the
request,
the
relocation,
the
temporary
location
of
the
family
or
the
tenant,
or
the
homeowner
for
there,
and
again
that
the
core
of
the
corps
of
engineers
in
the
city
would
work
on
that
together.
That
is
considered
a
project
expense.
It
is
within
this
context.
K
Exactly
I'm
sorry,
it
wasn't
clear
exactly
that,
so
the
the
the
trouble.
The
reason
why
rosemont
could
not
have
a
wall
is
because,
if
you
put
a
wall
around
rosemont,
you
would
have
to
tear
down
a
lot
of
the
homes
on
the
margin
of
the
community,
and
that
would
be
permanent
and
both
the
corps
and
the
city
determined.
That
was
not
something
it
wanted
to
do.
This
is
a
distinct
tight-knit
community.
It
needs
to
stay
intact,
so
without
the
wall
that
enables
this
to
occur.
K
K
We
have
talked
about
what
a
resilience
plan
if
funded.
If
we
proceed
down
the
road,
what
that
might
mean
for
them,
they
would
have
to
engage
with
the
city
and
the
planning
department
and
others
to
make
sure
this
was.
This
was
well,
but
that's
what
a
resilience
plan
would
tee
up.
So
we
are
taking
very
seriously
the
needs
of
this
community
and
again
I
think
the
discussions
are
fruitful
and
I
am
also
having
off
the
record
discussions
with
other
folks
who
could
possibly
help
fund
a
portion
of
this
and
no
promises.
I
Mr
mayor,
I
have
to
command
him
because
he
is
doing
what
he
said
he's
going
to.
He
was
doing
and
they
and
rosemont
they
don't
want
the
wall
anyway.
They
say
that
frank.
We
don't
want
any
wall
up
here.
They
set
that
up.
So
even
when
the
court
was
there,
they
told
the
court.
We
don't
want
the
wall
here.
So
even
if
it
was
building
a
wall,
they
don't
want
it
anyway.
So
right,
these
are
the
things
you
have
to
work
through
with
the
because
most
of
the
people
up
there.
I
N
B
N
N
N
I'm
asking
and
and
where
I'm
going
with
it,
is
it's
not
an
either
or
to
me
it
is
an
and,
and
so
my
question
is:
how
will
we
be
able
to
do
both?
N
K
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
for
the
question,
so
a
comprehensive,
councilman
mitchell.
You
started
with
the
idea
of
there's.
There
are
numerous
flood
risks
around
the
city.
Again,
the
city
of
charleston
faces
every
type
of
flood
risk.
There
is
so
not
unique,
but
but
this
is
this
is
a
big
challenge
and
we
know
it's
a
big
challenge
and
the
challenge
is
not
going
to
decrease.
So
we
have
to
be
serious
about
this
and
one
of
the
things
we
have
that
the
mayor
just
mentioned
is
the
move
to
a
comprehensive
water
plan.
K
We
have
components
of
it
in
existence.
We
haven't
knitted
it
together
and
there
are
some
missing
components.
We
need
to
do
gap,
analysis
and
we'll
we'll
do
that
if
we
move
to
a
water
plan
that
will
help
us
understand
and
prioritize.
Where
do
you
get
the
most
benefit
with
which
investment
in
which
place?
And
this
is
citywide?
This
is
not
peninsula.
K
The
comprehensive
water
plan
is
that
for
surge
risk
mitigation,
we
have
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
feasibility
proposal
and
we'll
negotiate.
How
that,
if
and
how
that
gets
done
in
bed.
One
of
the
benefits
of
having
the
surge
structure
around
the
peninsula.
If
we
proceed
down
that
road
is,
there
are
a
number
of
gate
structures
on
it.
There
are
pedestrian
gates
to
allow
tourists
and
homeowners
to
get
to
navigate
it
where
needed.
K
There
are
road
gates,
because
some
places
are
going
to
have
to
close
off
a
road
when
a
hurricane's
here,
not
not
every
day.
Just
when
the
hurricane's
nearby
or
hitting
the
city,
there
are
railroad
gates,
there's
a
couple
possible,
railroad
gate
crossings
and
then
there
are
tidal
gates.
This
is
where
the
wall
will
be
out
in
the
marsh
or
in
the
water,
and
when
a
hurricane
is
coming
at
the
low
tide
before
that
hurricane
strike
or
that
tropical
system
strike
or
the
the
mean
low,
the
mean
low,
low
water
level
of
eight
foot.
K
This
is
in
the
tsp.
If
that
is
predicted
an
eight
foot
king
tide,
at
the
low
tide
preceding
that
the
structure
in
the
tidal
gates,
they
can
be
closed
so
now
the
water
that
would
have
come
in
exceeding
seven
foot,
minor
tide
or
seven
point:
six
foot,
moderate
tide
or
eight
foot,
major
tide
or
king
tide.
All
that
water
will
be
held
outside
the
city
and
then
the
storage
area,
the
capacity
that
is
now
within
the
city.
K
That
would
you
which
you
would
lose
with
a
minor
flood
or
a
moderate
flood,
is
now
available
for
storm
water
storage.
If,
in
fact,
that
tropical
storm
or
hurricane
comes
comes
along
with
rain,
sometimes
they
have
a
lot
of
rain
with
them,
and
sometimes
they
don't.
But
you
now
have
a
resilience
component
here
with
this
additional
space,
because
you
stop
that
tide
from
coming
in
okay
and
then,
when
the
storm
passes,
you
would
open
the
gates
and
whatever
water
was
was
impounded
by
the
closure
of
that
structure.
K
K
This
is
not
a
primary
benefit
that
the
corps
of
engineers
is
going
to
clap
their
hands
for,
but
it
is
something
that
we
are
able
to
secure
by
going
forward
with
it
this
this
study,
this
feasibility
study
is
for
surge,
but
we
get
title
benefit
from
it.
So
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
supportive
of
moving
forward,
because
we'll
get
this
additional
benefit.
B
I
B
I
I
think
might
go
to
you
like
I
mentioned
before.
If
in
the
fact
that
right
now
congress
said
they
are
working
with
the
corps
of
engineers
that
they
promise
these
dollars.
If
you
made
in
the
event
that
a
new
congress
come
in
and
say
no
we're
not
going
to
do
it
what's
going
to
happen,
we
you
know,
because
this
is
a
promise
now
which
we
don't
know.
What's
going
to
happen
later,
because
I
know
that
this.
I
This
is
the
kind
of
question
I'm
asking
I'm
trying
to
do
a
vision
right
and
looking
ahead,
because
some
people
say
one
thing
this
time
because
they're
in
place
now,
but
they're
not
gonna,
be
in
place
later
in
three
years.
B
Our
federal
government
has
set
up
a
more
objective
system
to
define
what
they're
going
to
spend
money
on,
and
that's
why
this
cost
benefit
ratio
that
they've
come
up
with
so
far
of
10.2
is,
is
so
meaningful
because
it
really
shouldn't
matter
whether
democrats
or
republicans
are
in
charge,
because
the
federal
government
has
figured
out
that
for
every
dollar
they
spend
they're
going
to
save
ten
dollars,
and-
and
in
this
case
I
think,
money,
trumps
politics,
no
pun
intended
did
I
say
that
right.
K
Yes,
sir,
again
with
the
10.2
bcr
congress
will
fund
this
and
when
a
project
starts,
congress
does
not
like
this
to
stop
the
study,
not
these
days,
because
it's
some
it's
wasted
money
right.
So
with
a
high
bcr,
if
you're
successful
in
ped
it's
an,
if
can
we
can
we
negotiate
with
the
corps
the
structure
that
we
need
for
the
city?
That's
what
we
do
in
ped.
K
If
we
get
to
the
point
where
we
have
designed
a
structure,
an
engineer,
destruction
that
works
for
the
city,
then
you
all
your
successors
be
asked:
should
we
build
it
and
every
year
there
will
be
a
budget
submitted
by
the
corps
and
said
this
is
what
we
need
to
do
next
year
and
council
will
get
the
way
in.
Do
you
spend
the
money
or
not?
And
if
you
have
to
pause
the
study,
you
can
pause
the
study.
K
K
Is
you
you
and
your
successor,
saying
we're
going
to
put
in
the
money
next
year
to
do
next
year's
work?
Because
if
you
withhold
that
money
the
corps
will
pause
their
study
because
they
don't
have
a
willing
federal
sponsor
in
that
year,
a
local
sponsor
in
that
year.
So
there's
a
lot
of
control
that
the
city
has
and
again
the
city
is
not
on
the
hook
for
the
whole
1.1
billion
dollars.
If
the
corps
pulls
out,
the
study
would
be
paused
or
the
study
would
be
stopped
or
the
effort
would
be
stopped,
and
I
don't.
K
I
really
don't
think
congress
will
renege
on
this
on
this
on
this
project.
It
is
such
a
high
bcr,
as
I
mentioned
before,
it
is
the
number
one
priority
for
the
army
corps
of
engineers
in
the
entire
region,
from
the
virginia
north
carolina
border
to
the
mississippi
louisiana
border.
This
is
the
number
one
record
recommend
design
and
engineering
work
for
the
army
corps
of
engineers.
Why?
Because
you
have
a
very
dense
peninsula
that
is
easy
to
protect
with
a
surge
wall
around
it.
K
It
is
not
a
complex
project
as
complex
as
it
is
for
the
army
corps
engineers.
This
is
not
a
complex
project
because
it
it's
not
running
through
marsh,
and
it's
not
running
through
through
through
neighborhoods
that
are
they're
being
separated.
It's
not
running
down
the
middle
of
raquel
avenue
in
miami.
This
is
a
fairly
comprehensive,
condensed
sort
of
environment
to
protect,
so
it
will
most
likely
be
successful,
with
federal
funding.
B
And
dale,
when
you
use
the
word
study,
that
same
concept
applies
to
pad
and
construction
right
so
that
if,
if
there's
a
pause,
it
could
happen,
I
mean
after
after
we
build
if
we
got
to
phase
one
which
is
on
the
ashley
riverside,
and
we
got
that
built
and
the
future
city
council
decided
we've
done
enough,
we
don't
want
to
do
no
more.
K
Yes,
sir,
that's
correct.
As
we
know,
the
risk
on
the
ashland
river
side
is
very
high,
with
the
medical
district
and
all
and
all
the
medical
provisioning
that
comes
from
that
area.
It
is
why
it's
pet
phase
one.
K
So
if
the
city
would
decide
okay,
we're
happy
with
pet
phase,
one
we're
happy
with
phase
one
this
the
city
could
could
pause.
The
study
too.
The
federal
government
may
not
like
that
because
they
have
a
coherent
structure,
they've
designed
and
engineered
for
this
whole
for
the
entire
peninsula.
But
there
is
that
flexibility
for
the
army
for
the
city
to
say:
okay,
we're
going
to
stop
now.
M
Are
we
still
planning
to
take
a
vote
on
this
next
month?.
B
B
We
weren't,
I
wasn't
planning
on
asking
for
any
action
tonight,
but
we
take
three
by
three
committee
recommendations
at
heart
and
and
and
I'm
the
comment
I
want
to
make
earlier
was
to
say
that
you
know
this
committee
got
together
and
it
would
have
been
real
simple
for
them
to
get
together
and
just
say:
yeah
the
core
project
go
forward
or
not,
but
but
no
they
really
drilled
down.
They
made
recommendations
about
a
comprehensive
water
plan.
They
made
recommendation
about
a
resiliency
plan
for
rosemount.
B
They
made
recommendations
to
try
to
use
more
nature-based
features.
They
made
recommendations
about
our
staff.
They
may
make
recommendations
to
continue
the
life
of
this
committee
so
that
assuming
we
went
to
ped
that
they
would
continue
to
to
give
us
guidance
and
advice
along
the
way.
So
again
they
were
so
thoughtful
in
in
the
work
that
they've
done.
We've
all
said,
thank
you,
but
I
say
one
more
time.
B
Thank
you
for
your
work
and-
and
I
did
want
to
go
back
to
councilmember
gregory's
question
about
the
the
title-
the
king,
tides
and
and
if
I
may
just
put
it
a
little
more
simply
than
than
dale's
explanation.
B
If
we
had
this
west
side
portion
of
of
the
wall
in
place,
and
we
had
that
tied
just
a
few
weeks
ago
and
it's
designed
as
dale
described,
you
would
not
have
had
all
that
water
in
harlston
village.
B
Because
of
the
ability
to
control
the
tidal
flow
coming
into
the
city
and
and
that's
not
a
hurricane-
that's
just
a
tide
over
eight
feet
that
we
will
have
that
kind
of
management
and
flexibility
and
and
yeah
down
the
road.
That's
going
to
be
on
the
city
to
manage
that
and
and
maintain
it,
but
I
mean,
is
it
worth
it
to
be
able
to
keep
the
water
out
of
the
city?
That's
what
you
you
know,
decisions
we'll
have
to
make.
N
It
prevents
the
surge
okay.
If
I'm
hearing
you
correctly
because
of
keeping
that
water
out,
are
we
saying
that
water
that
comes
up
from
the
ground
because
of
the
high
tide
would
be
prevented?
Is
that
what
we're
saying.
K
From
happening
yes,
so
I
asked
the
army
for
engineers
a
couple
weeks
back.
There
are
piles
for
the
major
support
supports
for
the
for
the
wall
and
in
between
the
piles.
They
will
use
sheet
piling
concrete
coated
metal.
K
It
is
most
likely.
This
is
what
you
do
in
bed,
you
design
how
deep
you
have
to
go
to
stop
the
groundwater
transfer
of
water.
From
you
know,
water
wants
to
find
a
level
and
if
it's
unequal
on
both
sides-
sorry
I
talked
with
my
hands,
but
if
it's
unequal
on
both
sides
and
there's
a
groundwater
connection,
it's
going
to
equal
out,
which
is
how
the
water
is
coming
up
from
underneath.
K
We
don't
know
enough
about
the
groundwater,
so
the
shallow
groundwater
systems
here
throughout
the
city-
and
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
that
I
would
like
to
pursue
with
the
water
plan-
is
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
that.
There
are
numerous
resources
that
have
bits
and
pieces
of
this
information.
K
We
don't
have
it
knitted
and
we
need
to
knit
that
together
and
understand
how
the
groundwater
is
working,
because
sometimes
it's
shallow
and
connected,
and
sometimes
it's
shallow
and
disconnected,
and
that
helps
you
design
and
how
to
manage
it.
I'll
just
say
one
thing,
because
I'm
going
to
look
at
each
one
of
you,
I'm
new
to
the
city.
I've
spoken
with
some
of
you
in
recent
weeks
about
this
one-on-one.
K
D
I'll
just
be
real,
quick.
I
encourage
each
one
of
my
colleagues
to
make
a
date
with
dale.
Dale
was
gracious
enough
to
come
to
my
office
last
thursday
night
really
appreciate
sitting
down
with
you.
We
sat
for
about
an
hour
and
a
half
and
he
brought
maps,
and
I
had
a
lot
of
questions
he
answered
them
all.
D
This
is
a
complicated
process.
We're
not
going
to
understand
this
by
just
getting
updates
at
council
meetings.
We've
got
to
dig
into
this
and
dale's.
We
have
a
wonderful
resource
here
with
the
city
and
I
just
want
you
all
to
encourage
everybody
to
make
a
date
with
dale.
Like
me,
thank
you
and
thank
you.
Hey
good
you're,
doing
a
great
job.
J
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
will
be
brief.
I
used
to
think
that
the
hardest
job
of
any
appointed
citizen
in
the
city
was
being
the
chairman
of
the
planning
commission,
which
frank
mccann
did
for
25
years,
and
it's
amazing
he's
still
sane
or
being
head
of
the
bza
which
lenny
projected
for
46
years,
but
they
have
now
been
supplanted
and
replaced
the
hardest
job
for
any
citizen
in
this
community
is
to
be
the
chairman
of
the
three
by
three
commission,
and
I
just
want
to
say,
council
member
appel
much
like
jack
handigan.
J
Our
chairman
of
this
committee,
hagan
morrison
lives
in
district
8.,
so
which,
by
the
way
he
lives
on
the
ashley
river
side
of
district
8.,
not
a
stone's
throw
from
all
the
water
we're
talking
about,
and
I
I
just
want
to
make
a
few
comments
by
the
way.
The
other
committee
members
that
are
here,
I'm
going
to
start
with
bob
haygood,
because
bob
heybig
bob
havegood
was
my
roommate
in
high
school.
Sorry,
bob
heybig,
who
also
lives
in
district
eight,
but
kevin
mills
and
cassian
delay.
It
has
been
an
enormous
amount
of
work.
J
There's
also
two
other
members
of
that
committee,
and
I'm
one
of
them
is
council,
member
waring
and
I'm
the
other
and
the
amount
of
time
that
we
have
put
in
and
we've
been
listening.
Members
of
this
committee
we
have
really
at
the
beginning,
said
we're
here
to
listen
and
hear
what
the
committee
says.
We
did
not
by
the
way,
take
part
in
the
vote
that
was
brought
before
you
tonight.
J
We
abstain
because
we
thought
it'd
be
funny
to
tell
you
all
how
to
vote
from
your
own
council
members
once
you
get
to
vote
and
you'll
hear
from
us
at
the
appropriate
time,
but
I
would
like
just
to
make
a
couple
of
points
and
and
and
good
on
mr
morrison
for
answering
council
member
shades
question,
which
was
pointed,
and
that
is
this.
There
is
still
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
not
by
this
committee
and
not
by
this
council,
but
by
the
army
corps.
J
The
the
alignment
that
you've
seen
in
the
report
that's
out
right
now
is
according
to
them.
According
to
them,
not
the
final
alignment,
not
the
final
place
that
they
want
to
put
this
wall
they've
made
some
advanced
concessions
that
are
going
to
move
it,
especially
on
the
east
side,
hasn't
happened
yet
so
some
of
this
is
preliminary
and
more
more
to
come
on
that,
but
that
committee,
if
the
line
stays
where
it
is,
I
think,
I'm
fair
to
say
would
be
unanimously
against
this
project,
because
it
leaves
the
out
the
east
side
out
right.
J
I
mean
I
think
that
was
clearly
spoken,
that
there
is
the
broad
expectation
that
the
army
corps
before
we
even
get
to
this
council
for
a
vote
on
whether
to
go
forward
with
pet,
and
I
want
to
make
a
comment
about
in
a
second
that
line
is
going
to
move
right.
I
mean,
I
think
we
can
all
agree
about
that.
J
Secondly,
just
because
words
are
really
going
to
matter
going
forward
as
we
think
about
this
project,
it's
arguably
we'll
not
argue
it's
going
to
be
the
biggest
infrastructure
project.
Any
of
us
is
ever
going
to
have
to
consider
and
the
12
people
around
this
table.
Vote
on
ped
does
not
stand
for
preliminary
engineering
and
design.
It
stands
for
pre-construction,
engineering
and
design.
J
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
record's
clear
that
when
something
comes
to
us
for
ped,
it's
not
preliminary,
the
feasibility
study
is
done
and
then
we
move
into
ped
and
I
I
absolutely
agree
everyone
here
should
spend
some
time
with
dale,
regardless
of
whether
you
want
to
talk
about
this
wall
or
not
because
he's
fascinating,
we
tooled
all
around
the
netherlands
with
them,
and
it
wasn't
for
him.
J
D
J
J
I
read
it
twice,
read
the
army
core
study,
so
you
come
equipped
with
questions
about
what
they're
actually
doing,
and
you
understand
that
language
dale
is
fluent
in
that
language
we
are
not,
but
if
you
read
through
it,
I
think
it
will
be
very,
very
helpful
to
you
as
it
comes
back
to
us.
This
is
massive.
I
don't
want
to
get
in
the
merits
of
it
yet,
but
I
think
just
understanding
it
and
reading
that
report,
which
will
only
I
think,
change
the
alignment.
Not
much
of
the
language
in
there
is
going
to
change.
J
I
mean
the
alignment
is
going
to
change,
but
if
you
read
the
language,
it's
pretty
clear,
so
boy
read
it
it's
long.
I
think
if
I
asked
around
this
table
of
those
who've
actually
read
it
so
far
other
than
dale,
I'm
probably
the
only
one.
Perhaps
council
member
wearing
as
well
before
we
vote
on
it,
we
got
it.
We
got
to
understand
it
so
with
that
you're
now
the
new
king
of
the
commissions,
and
by
the
way
this
commission
wants
to
self-perpetuate,
they
want
us
to
continue
on
with
them.
J
I
don't
know
why
on
earth
you're
going
to
ask
that
question
of
us
somewhere
down
the
road,
but
I
suspect
we'll
do
it
if
you
really
want
it,
and
I'm
interested
to
hear
mayor
that
we're
actually
going
to
take
this
up.
You
think
in
december,
okay,
well
more
to
come
from
the
members
of
the
commission
and
the
committee,
but
councilmember
waring.
Thank
you
for
your
service
on
that
committee,
because
it's
a
huge
amount
of
time
huge.
So
with
that
we'll
see
in
december
thanks.
B
B
I
will
just
share
with
you
that,
although
cases
are
up
in
the
united
states
until
27
percent
in
the
last
14
days
and
up
6
in
the
state
of
south
carolina
in
the
last
14
days,
thankfully
their
cases
are
only
up
two
percent
in
charleston
county,
so
we're
keeping
keeping
our
numbers
down
59
in
our
county
are
fully
vaccinated
compared
with
51
in
the
state
of
south
carolina.
So
once
again,
we've
done
a
little
better.
B
Over
90
percent
of
city
employees
are
now
fully
vaccinated.
99.7
of
our
employees
had
complied
with
our
vaccination
policy
by
yesterday
and
I
believe
the
count
this
morning.
That's
there
were
only
two
full-time
employees
that
had
not
complied
with
the
policy.
So
so
it's
really
great
and
I
must
tell
y'all
everybody
really
worked
hard
to
make
that
happen.
All
the
department
heads,
but
but
mostly
our
hr
department
and
tip
of
the
hat
to
kate
cross.
B
B
So
we
did,
as
of
yesterday,
go
officially
to
what
we
call
phase
four,
which
is
our
least
restrictive
policy
about
covid,
since
our
numbers
are
doing
what
they
are
going
down
and
or
at
least
staying
flat
at
a
low
level
now
and
our
employees
are,
are
basically
fully
vaccinated
so
and,
and
that
also
led
to
our
policy
that,
in
in
city
facilities,
masks,
are
no
longer
required
to
be
worn.
Unless
you
have
not
been
vaccinated,
we
ask
you
to
wear
a
mask,
so
those
are
some
changes
in
our
policy.
B
Hopefully
the
numbers
will
continue
to
go
well
here
in
charleston,
but
I
I
will
caution,
everyone
keep
your
eyes
open
and
we're
gonna
follow
the
numbers,
as
I
said
in
the
country
and
I've
seen
some
other
places
around
the
world
where
numbers
are
heading
back
up,
and
so
you
know
it.
It's
going
to
be
like
the
flu
of
you
know,
for
years
and
years
to
come.
B
I
believe,
where
we're
going
to
have
to
maintain
caution,
take
booster
shots
and
other
other
medical
advice
in
order
to
to
live
with
this
virus.
It's
almost
like
going
to
the
netherlands
to
learn
to
live
with
water,
maybe
okay,
so
any
questions
on
any
of
that.
Okay.
So
next
up
is
our
council
committee
report.
First
up
is
committee
on
community
development,
council
member
mitchell.
I
Yes,
guys
community
development
met
on
on
on
the
18th
at
3
30,
and
we
had
a
couple
of
items
under
new
business
and
we
didn't
have
any
action
taken.
We
had
one
and
three
which
was
no
action
taken,
but
we
had
a
lot
of
information
given
to
us
even
on
under
the
presentation
on
economic
empowerment
strategy
from
the
report
on
equity,
inclusion
and
racial
conciliation.
We
have
a
lot
of
different
information
received
and
we
are
moving
forward
and
number
three.
I
I'm
gonna
skip
number
two,
but
number
three
is
an
update
on
affordable
housing
development.
We
had
some
information
given
to
our
standard
presentation
given
to
us
there
at
the
meeting,
and
if
we
go
back
to
number
two
which
is
a2,
we
had
an
update
on
accessory
dwelling
units,
the
affordable
period,
which
is
our
we
send
it
on
to
the
planning
commission,
which
we're
changing
for
30
years
on
the
affordability
act
on
that
particular
particular
for
the
affordable
housing
period
and
that's
going
to
be
30
years.
I
So
we
send
it
to
the
planning
commission.
We
make
a
recommendation
because
of
some
of
the
council
members
had
to
leave,
so
we
just
make
a
recommendation
to
send
it
on
to
planning.
So
when
once
you've
come
back
from
planning
of
becoming
here,
but
that's
why
we
make
that
recommendation.
This
is
centered
on
right.
So
that's
my
re,
it's
no!
It's
still
at
30.
I
think
it's
30
it's
those
30
years,
because
we
had
some
problems
with
the
40
years
of
the
40
years.
I
We
had
to
do
some
more
changing
to
it
and
it
was
going
to
cause
a
little
problem,
so
we're
going
to
do
30
years
and
then
we
can
come
always
come
back
and
look
at
something
later
on.
So
that's
the
extent
of
my
report.
D
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
chairman
mitchell
for
that
report
and
my
apologies
for
having
to
leave
the
meeting
early.
I
was
actually
running
to
my
meeting
with
dale,
which
we
just
mentioned,
so
I
just
have
to
state.
I
am
strongly
opposed
to
having
any
affordability
restrictions
on
accessory
dwelling
units.
It
shouldn't
be
for
40
years.
It
shouldn't
be
for
30
years.
It
should
be
for
zero
years,
and
the
reason
for
that
is.
D
I
want
adus
to
be
built
if
you're
telling
somebody
that,
in
order
to
build
an
adu,
you
have
to
restrict
it
for
30
years
to
essentially
cap
the
price
of
what
you
can
receive
in
remuneration
for
rentals.
We
don't
do
that
for
any
anything
else
in
our
economy.
Imagine
telling
a
restaurant
owner
you
can
open
up
a
restaurant
in
charleston,
but
you
better
not
ever
charge
more
than
10
bucks
for
that
hamburger,
guys
we're
not
building
enough
adus
in
this
city
we're
not
building
enough
homes.
D
In
this
city
I
asked
the
last
time
we
had
a
report
on
our
adu
ordinance
how
many
adus
had
been
built
since
we
passed
this
first
version
of
these
modifications
to
the
process,
and
the
answer
was
zero.
D
It
does
nothing
for
affordability
in
charleston
if
we
make
these
restrictions
so
onerous
and
so
poor
from
a
business
perspective
and
the
ability
to
recoup
your
investment
in
a
timely
period
to
amortize
your
investment,
I
mean
we
have
to
build
more
to
drive
costs
down.
I
know
this.
This
is
coming
from
a
good
intention.
D
We
want
housing
to
be
affordable.
I
want
housing
to
be
affordable,
but
this
is
an
absolute
wrong
policy.
It's
a
misguided
approach,
it's
a
well-meaning
approach,
but
we
just
need
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
build
adus
period,
the
more
adus
that
we
get
on
the
market,
the
lower
the
cost
will
be
it's
just
as
simple
as
that.
It's
supply
and
demand-
and
I
I
won't
vote
for
an
adu
ordinance
that
has
a
30-year.
D
M
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
ken's
member
of
pell.
I
I
just
wanted
to
well,
first
of
all,
if,
if
you're
a
philosophy
rules
the
day
which
I
I
I
will
agree
with,
that,
then
we're
not
really
we're
talking
about
changing
the
existing
adu
ordinance,
because
right
now
it
requires
affordability
and
it
doesn't
give
any
dead
date
when
that
affordability
period
ends.
M
So
we're
talking
about
it
a
different
kind
of
amendment
to
the
existing
adu
ordinance,
and
I
I
do
support
your
reasoning
about
this
councilmember
appel
when
when
we
passed
this
ordinance
two
or
three
years
ago,
I
think
we
had
a
very
comprehensive
discussion
about
it
and
and
frankly
I
I
thought
that
we
were
going
to
go
in
the
direction
that
you're
suggesting
now
that
we
would
err
on
the
side
of
wanting
to
create
more
units
downtown
where
people
are
leaving
the
peninsula,
and
I
I've
always
been
concerned
about
homeowners
that
have
the
opportunity
to
build
another
unit
that
potentially
could
be
the
rental
sources
of
income
that
that
a
long-standing
homeowner
might
need
in
order
to
stay
in
place
on
the
peninsula.
M
So
I
I
do
think
that
we've,
you
know,
sort
of
put
a
a
stamp
of
approval
on
building
types
without
being
as
thoughtful
as
we
need
to
be,
and
and
as
we
go
forward,
we
do
have
to
incentivize
private
development
to
be
able
to
create
a
wealth
of
affordability,
naturally,
as
opposed
to
subsidized.
We
we
can't
subsidize
our
way
into
sixteen
thousand
affordable
units
to
the
income
ranges
that
we
wanna
host
and
foster
and
nurture
in
charleston.
M
B
M
B
Think
that
was
a
part
and
parcel
of
the
discussion
that
occurred
and
that
after
it
goes
to
planning,
commission
he'll
come
back
to
us
for
a
recommendation
and-
and
I
would
also
just
add
for
the
conversation
that
I
think
it's
also
a
matter
of
marketing
and
people-
not
even
knowing
that
it's
now
legal-
to
build
an
adu
on
their
property
right
now.
If
you
built
one
for
a
family
member,
there's
no
affordability
requirement
whatsoever,
you
could
build
one
for
your
mother-in-law
for
your
child,
but
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
B
N
You
know
due
respect
to
councilman
appel.
I
disagree.
N
If
we
allowed
market
forces
to
do
what
you
just
alluded
to,
I
don't
think
there
would
be
any.
N
At
all,
I
think
it's
because
of
the
the
of
requirements
to
increase,
affordable
housing,
I
think,
but
for
those
I
don't
think
we'd
have
any
at
all.
So
I
I
don't
agree
with
you
and
I
I'd
like
to
like
to
talk
a
little
more
about
it
because,
since
you've
been
on
council,
you
have
been
alluding
to
the
need
for
changes
to
our
zoning
ordinance
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
create
more
affordable
housing,
and
I
have
yet
to
see
any
proposed
zoning
changes
from
you.
That
would
take
us
in
that
direction.
N
N
B
H
We
do
need
to
speak,
mr
man,
the
reason
I
say
that
councilman
apparel
has
some
very
good
ideas,
but
you
can
use
that
same
argument
and
almost
apply
to
almost
every
affordable
piece.
With
the
exception
of
you
know,
government
tax
credits,
I
would
say
that
there's
no
land
cost
on
the
adu,
because
the
land
cost
has
already
been
born.
H
All
I
don't
know
I
could
be
wrong,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
have
an
employee
in
city
hall
that
lives
on
the
peninsula.
I
don't
know-
maybe
maybe
rick
drew,
but
he
lives
west
ashley.
He
lives
with
there.
You
go
that's
the
place
to
come,
but
my
point
is:
there
was
a
time
when
almost
everybody
that
worked
lived
in
that
worked
in
city
hall
actually
lived
on
the
peninsula.
They
could
walk
to
work,
we
have
done
as
a
city
and
I've
been
part
of
it.
H
So
yeah
we
have
to
create
some
sort
of
incentive.
I
don't
know
whether
we
can
get
the
tax
credits
enough.
We
certainly
ought
to
look
at
that
and
you're
right,
we'll
talk
about
it
further,
mr
man,
I
won't
speak
any
longer,
but
if
you
cost
it
out
and
you
back
out
the
land
costs
that
edu
could
be
affordable
for
lower
incomes.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
B
H
I
C
B
You
so
we'll
move
on
to
our
committee
on
public
safety,
council
member.
A
Shade.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Madam
clark,
members
of
council,
the
committee
on
public
safety,
met
yesterday
at
two
o'clock.
Two
items
for
our
consideration
is
items
a
and
b
approval
of
an
mou
between
the
city
and
the
department
of
justice
regarding
cpd's
participation
in
the
dea
task
force,
and
the
other
was
approval
of
mou
between
the
city
and
h,
o
m
v
manager.
Llc
I'm
regarding
the
bridgeview.
Both
of
those
were
presented
and
approved
unanimously,
and
I
so
recommend
just
a.
C
A
A
Her
rate
of
recidivism
is
wonderful.
She
is
well
above
the
national
average
of
these
men
who
go
through
her
program,
which
means
they're
not
returning
back
to
a
life
of
crime,
they're
being
gainfully
employed,
and
she
gave
us
the
percentages
throughout
all
that.
But
one
thing
I
just
want
to
make
note
to
the
committee
is
one
of
the
folks
who
has
been
working
for
the
city
for
a
long
period
of
time
has
moved
up
to
a
role
of
a
supervisor,
so
we
depend
upon
these
men
who
are
recommended
by
amy.
A
H
You,
mr
mayor
committee,
from
public
works,
met
yesterday
at
four
o'clock
islands,
a
one
and
a
two
pass
unanimously,
and
I
asked
for
it
to
prove
I
so
much.
J
H
The
last
two
items
you
saw
was
a
discussion
on
some
stormwater
maintenance
streams
and
ashley
hall,
but
I
want
to
single
out
mr
fountain.
Mr
fountain
did
a
great
job
pushing
for
a
better
process.
It's
not
completed,
but
I
think
we
definitely
have
been
enlightened
by
some
of
the
examples
he
brought
up.
Our
legal
team
is
definitely
engaged
on
it
now.
I
certainly
appreciate
miss
copeland
legal
team
working
on
that
the
neighborhoods
and
the
neighbors
are
very
willing,
so
I
think
something
good
is
going
to
come
out
of
that.
H
B
Great,
thank
you.
Next
up
is
our
committee
on
wednesday.
B
B
B
All
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
I
oppose
the
eyes.
Have
it
so
next
up
is
the
ordinance
regarding
sidewalk
cafe.
We
did
get
a
communication
just
today
from
our
planning
department,
and
I
guess
we'll
maybe
put
it
on
the
floor
for
for
discussion
purposes.
J
Mr
mayor,
if
I
might
make
a
motion
I'd
like
to
move
to,
have
this
deferred.
J
J
J
Mr
summerfield,
here
I'd
love.
If
we
can
get
with
you
just
to
talk
a
couple
of
thoughts
on
anyone
else,
I
think
mr
summerfield
sort
of
put
it
all
out
there
for
us
as
to
how
this
is
going
to
affect
currently
and
existing
outdoor
operations,
and
I've
got
some
thoughts
on
it.
So
I
would
love
to
talk
to
you
about
it.
Thank
you.
B
Absolutely
so
I'll
just
quickly
note
that
after
I
got
the
memo
this
morning
and
then
I
left
the
office
a
half
hour
early
to
come
here.
I
went
up
king
street
and
tried
to
eyeball
the
addresses
that
were
listed
in
the
memo.
B
Maybe
they
pulled
the
the
tables
out
onto
the
sidewalk,
but
for
the
most
part
they
had
a
couple
of
tables
that
were
really
on
their
private
property
in
the
alcove
and
not
so
much
on
the
sidewalk
and-
and
I
know
those
sidewalks
are
very
narrow
on
king
street,
but
but
I'd
almost
want
a
question
like
the
actual
inches
of
that
were
or
proposing
in
the
ordinance
and
and
how
close
a
a
two-top
table
you
know
can
can
squeeze
in
there
or
not.
B
I
know
there
was
an
example
on
upper
king
and
I
noted
it
myself
and
I
called
it
in
to
the
planning
department
a
couple
of
months
ago,
where
it
seemed
like
the
the
table
was,
was
really
impeding
people
from
being
able
to
walk
by
because
it
was
right
near
a
light
pole,
but
the
I
came
to
find
out
that
they
were
only
authorized
for
a
two-seater
that
turned
you
know
right
up
against
the
wall
and
had
two
seats
and
in
fact
they
had
a
four-seater
out
which
takes
up
more
space.
B
So
I
do
think
we
we're
gonna,
have
to
drill
down
and
make
sure
that
we're
being
safe
but
at
the
same
time
trying
to
allow
our
restaurants
to
do
what
they
can
do
anyway.
Those
were
my
quick
observations
just
coming
here
this
evening,
any
other
discussion
on
that
or
comments
all
right
hearing.
None
we
go
to
builds
up
first
reading.
B
We
don't
have
any,
but
we
have
three
items
for
executive
session.
Can
I
entertain
a
motion
that
we
go
into
executive
session.
B
Record
so
the
purpose
we
got
three
different
ones,
one
is
to
discuss
legal
issues
regarding
fire
station
11..
B
Another
is
a
potential
acquisition
of
property
on
concord
street
and,
lastly,
receiving
legal
advice
regarding
charleston
school
of
law,
which
I'll
make
publicly
known
that
I
recuse
myself
from
so
when
we
finish
items
one
and
two
in
executive
session.
I
will
excuse
myself,
so
we
had
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor,
going
into
executive
session,
say
aye
and
he
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it.