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From YouTube: City of Charleston City Council Meeting 11/24/2020
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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 11/24/2020
Agenda:
https://www.charleston-sc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_11242020-6040
B
Terrific
and
have
most
all
our
council
members
had
a
chance
to
get
signed
on.
You
think
we
got
everybody.
A
Well,
we
sort
of
had
an
ambush
of
people
signing
on
all
at
once.
I
think
we
may
be
waiting
for
just
a
few
more,
but
I
can
go
ahead
and
call
the
roll
to
see
who
all
is
on
if
you'd,
like.
B
I
know
it's
been
a
challenging
year,
but
at
the
same
time
I
believe
here
in
charleston
we
got
a
lot
to
be
thankful
for
and
a
lot
of
blessings
to
count,
and
so
I
just
want
to
give
my
personal
good
wishes
and
thanks
to
everyone
during
this
time
of
thanksgiving.
D
E
B
President,
thank
you
very
much.
So
we've
got
what
two
council
members
outstanding,
but
I
bet
they'll
be
joining
us
shortly,
but
we
will
proceed
with
the
meeting
and
if
you
would
like
to
join
us,
I'm
going
to
ask
councilmember
griffin
if
he'll,
please
lead
us
in
a
prayer.
E
E
We
ask
that
tonight
you
just
help
us
and
you
guide
us,
and
you
help
us
remember
that
our
number
one
goal
is
to
look
out
people
that
don't
necessarily
have
a
voice
and
even
in
our
toughest
times
lord
please
allow
us
to
be
the
voice
of
the
people.
We
ask
that
you
we
do
all
of
these
things
in
your
name
as
always
lords,
and
we
pray,
amen.
B
Amen,
thank
you
now,
if
you
can
see
in
the
distance
there's
a
wonderful
american
flag
here
in
my
office.
If
you
join
me,
please
stand
we'll
recite
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
B
So,
thank
you,
council
members.
If
you
will
please
indulge
me,
we
had
no
recognitions
on
the
agenda,
but
I
would
respectfully
like
to
add
one,
as
I
saw
in
the
newspaper
really
in
a
way
a
sad
thing.
Just
the
other
day,
the
two
of
our
most
wonderful
citizens,
jack
bass
and
natalie
dupree-
will
be
leaving
charleston
to
live
closer
to
jack's
children
up
in
north
carolina.
B
Jack
bass
has
written
extensively
about
the
american
south,
focusing
on
southern
politics,
race
relations
and
the
role
of
law
in
shaping
the
civil
rights
era
and
whereas
a
contributor
to
the
posting
courier
and
the
state
newspaper
jack
bass
is
also
written
for
the
new
york
times,
the
los
angeles
times,
atlanta
constitution,
washington,
post
and
many
others.
Whereas
in
a
review
of
jack
bass's,
the
orangeburg
massacre
roy
reed
wrote
in
the
new
york
times
book
review
quote.
It
is
too
often
true
that
the
only
redress
of
a
great
wrong
is
good
reporting
of
it.
B
Whereas
natalie
dupree
has
appeared
on
the
today
show
good
morning.
America,
the
morning
show
cnn,
among
others,
dupree's
best-selling
book
new
southern
cooking
started
an
entire
culinary
movement.
She's
won
the
james
beard
award
for
southern
memories
and
comfortable
entertaining
as
well
as
her
most
recent
book.
Natalie
dupri's,
mastering
the
art
of
southern
cooking,
whereas
the
founding
chairman,
chairperson
of
the
charleston
food
and
wine
festival,
natalie
dupree,
also
was
a
founder
of
southern
food
ways.
B
The
atlanta
and
charleston
chapters
of
dom
descoffier,
the
american
institute
of
wine
and
food
and
international
association,
culinary
professionals
of
which
she
was
a
two-time
president.
For
all
of
these
reasons,
and
whereas
natalie
writes
for
the
posts
and
courier
as
well,
whereas
finally
bass
and
dupree
plan
to
relocate
to
raleigh
north
carolina,
the
city
of
charleston
wishes
to
honor
their
contributions
to
the
community
and
wish
them
well
in
your
next
chapter
in
life.
B
G
Oh
gosh,
we're
gonna,
miss
charleston,
so
much.
Thank
you
very
much,
but
it
it
it.
It
just
makes
it
a
bitter
pill
to
leave
charleston.
We
won't
have
these
vistas
right
out
our
door
anymore.
We're
down
the
street.
B
B
B
B
B
You
so
much
okay,
so
next
you
can
stick
around
if
you
like,
by
the
way.
Next
is
our
public
hearings
and
I'm
sure
folks
have
signed
up
to
speak
on
some
of
these
individually
christopher
morgan.
I
presume
you're
out
there
and
in
this
zoom
meeting
and
be
able
to
make
presentations
we'll
start
with
number
one:
a
resolution
to
abandon
a
portion
of
st
phillips
street.
H
Yes,
sir,
mr
mayor,
members
of
council,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
sir?
Okay,
fantastic,
this
first
one
is
actually
coming
through
public
service,
because
it's
a
abandonment
of
a
street.
It
is
a
st
phillips
street
and
it's
a
portion
that
relates
to
the
recent
pud
that
you
all
approved
on
shepard
street.
It's
only
a
small
portion
of
the
street
that
dead
ends
into
the
stepton
mcclark
parkway,
but
it
is
not
going
to
be
needed
for
the
same
transportation
purposes.
It
has
been
in
the
past
and
will
become
part
of
the
pud.
B
All
right
did
you
have
a
drawing
to
share
with
us
christopher.
H
Not
on
this
one,
you
have
one.
I
think
there
is
the
resolution
on
that.
I
don't
know
if
the
public
service
folks
provided
one
online
yeah.
C
B
Did
anyone
from
the
public
sign
up
to
speak
on
this
matter.
J
H
B
A
K
L
B
Second,
okay,
so
christopher.
If
you
would
proceed
to
present
three
four
and
five
assists.
H
H
This
is
cannon
street
here,
running
east
west
ashley
avenue
here
running
north
south
and
217
ashley
is
this
location
here
at
the
corner
of
cannon
and
ashley,
and
then
121
cannon
is
one
house
away
here
in
this
location
and
then
125
cannon
is
at
the
corner
of
cannon
and
islington
court,
and
these
are
all
requesting
of
rezoning
from
diverse
residential
ddr2f
to
limited
business.
H
H
The
is
this
is
an
aerial
image
of
the
properties.
These
are
the
property
at
the
corner
of
canon
and
ashley.
217
ashley
is
a
residential
structure.
Historic
residential
building.
The
other
parcel
at
121
cannon
is
also
a
residential
structure,
and
then
the
structure
at
125
is
more
commercial
in
nature.
Going
to
the
next
image
here
you
see
these
parcels
in
the
midst
of
the
neighborhood
again
to
their
south.
Is
residential
zoning
in
orange
and
in
between
the
parcels
is
residential.
H
Zoning
in
orange,
but
then
to
the
north
and
to
the
west
is
limited
business
in
the
shown
in
the
red,
color
and
also
to
the
east.
This
is
canonboro
ellicboro,
the
short-term
rental
overlay.
The
reason
we
show
this
is
it
shows
the
commercially
zoned
properties
at
present
in
canterbury,
elliott
borough.
So
it
indicates
the
properties
that
are
eligible
for
short-term
rental
within
the
cantenburg
elliot
borough,
short-term
rental
overlay.
H
H
Here's
217
ashley,
very
historic,
unique
house
there
at
the
corner
of
ashley
and
cannon,
and
here
we
have
the
commercial
storefront
at
the
corner
at
125
cannon
street
and
this
property
does
have
a
use
variance
to
allow
for
the
type
of
salon
that
is
in
the
in
the
inside
it.
So
it's
functioning
legally
with
commercial
use
based
on
that
use,
variance
in
place
and
here's
just
a
view
down
cannon
street
of
the
properties.
H
So
these
were
recommended
for
disapproval
by
planning.
Commission
staff
also
was
recommending
disapproval
because
of
concern
with
the
proliferation
of
the
short-term
rentals.
When
you
convert
properties
that
are
existing
residential
uses
into
commercial
zoning,
that
the
short-term
rental
aspect
has
been
very
prevalent
in
that
neighborhood
and
a
big
concern
of
the
neighborhood
association.
A
Yes,
we
have
five
people
signed
up
and
I
believe
we
may
have
an
additional
speaker.
Would
you
like
to
set
a
time
limit?
Mr
mayor.
B
Let's
say
two
minutes:
each
please.
D
D
B
N
Green,
yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
just
fine!
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
just
want
to
say
how
grateful
I
am
to
be
here
in
front
of
council
and
to
be
here.
I
know
I
will
need
two
minutes
so
I'll
be
very
brief.
I
would
like
to
start
with
a
request.
It's
always
been
our
goal
to
try
to
work
out
this
application.
A
way
that
we
can
work
with
the
neighborhood
association
and
council
has
been
very
good.
N
I've
been
had
a
chance
to
speak
to
a
couple
of
members
about
how
we
could
get
more
support
for
this
application
and,
at
this
time,
we'd
like
to
request
to
amend
our
ordinance
requests
to
ct
rather
than
lb.
We
understand
that
that
will
not
be
heard
today.
If
that
amend,
amended
request
is
granted
and,
and
that's
to
allow
time
for
proper
advertising
to
let
the
neighborhood
association,
knowing
that
we're
seeking
a
different
zoning,
designation
and-
and
we
believe
that
we
can
garner
more
support
by
doing
so.
N
So
I
first
wanted
to
ask
if
it
would
be
permissible
for
us
to
amend
our
ordinance
requests
from
ct
from
2ct
from
lb.
Excuse
me
so
that
can
be,
you
know,
won't
be
heard
today,
but
to
be
heard.
You
know
at
the
next
available
time.
H
Mr
mayor
and
I'd
like
our
legal
folks
to
help
me
on
this
if
they
can,
but
I
believe
that
as
long
as
you're
requesting
something
that's
less
intense
than
what
your
original
request
was,
the
council
can
proceed
with
action
on
it.
Of
course,
the
ct
zoning
creates
the
exact
same
issues
that
the
lb
does.
It
would
allow
the
short-term
rental,
and
you
know
from
a
staff
standpoint.
H
Our
recommendation
would
not
change
and
I
think
you've
got
some
members
from
the
neighborhood
association
who
will
speak
to
that
issue
tonight
as
well,
because
I
think
the
neighborhood
still
has
concern
with
the
commercial
any
type
of
commercial
designation
on
it,
because
it
allows
the
short-term
rentals,
but
if
the
legal
staff
could
weigh
in
and
let
us
know
you
know
if
this
is
a
change
that
could
be
made
by
council
based
on
the
applicant's
request
here.
I
thought
it
could,
but
maybe
I'm
incorrect
on
that.
N
The
question
christopher,
I
can
repeat
it
if
it's
okay,
mr
mayor,
yes
sure
sure.
Yes
thank
you,
mr
dina
dwayne
green
on
behalf
of
the
applicants
at
117,
121
and
125
cannon
street
117's,
also
the
corner
home.
N
That's
also
217
ashley,
I've
spoken
to
the
applicants
and
we
wish
to
request
that
we
could
amend
our
or
our
ordinance
requests
to
ct
rather
than
lb
and
that
we,
I
would
like
to
speak
today
if
possible,
but
if
not,
we
would
like
to
postpone
the
hearing
of
it
until
it
can
be
noticed
and
advertised.
We
realize
it
does
have
to
be
noticed
and
advertised
properly
and-
and
we
believe
that
if
we
have
that
extra
time
proceeding
under
that
that
we
would
be
able
to
garner
better
support
than
we
have.
O
So
christopher
was
this
with
the
amendment
request
before
any
other
body.
Is
this
the
first
time
we're
hearing
of
it.
H
N
And
and
chris
just
to
add
on
to
that,
I
have
had
a
chance
and
I'm
very
thankful
to
the
members
of
council
have
been
able
to
speak
with
me.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
work
collaboratively
to
garner
more
support.
We
realize
right
now
the
planning
commission
had
recommended
this
approval
and-
and
we
realized
the
support-
would
likely
not
be
as
strong
for
it.
Based
on
that,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
this
amendment
and
working
together.
B
B
We
it's
certainly
the
pleasure
of
council
if
it's,
mr.
B
Second,
I
have
a
motion
to
defer
now
before
we
take
action.
Council
members.
I
would
like
to
hear
some
other
citizens,
though,
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
on
these
matters,
so
I
they've
come
online
and
they
want
to
be
heard.
So,
let's,
let's
hear
from
them
before
we
take
a
vote.
If
that's
okay,
jennifer,
who
else
did
we
have
in
line
to
to
speak
on
three
four
or
five.
P
Mr
mayor
teklenberg
and
members
of
council,
I
would
request
that
this
not
be
deferred,
and
this
would
come
before
a
vote,
because
the
objective
either
way
is
a
commercial
property,
whether
it's
ct
or
lb.
The
I
think
the
objective
of
the
applicants
is
to
to
commercialize
and
act
commercially,
activate
these
properties,
and
we
we
heard
one
of
the
app
one
of
the
original
applicants
that
represented
all
three
came
to
our
neighborhood
association.
P
It
was
defeated
forty
two
one
we
our
neighborhood,
has
consistently
advocated
for
preserving
the
balance.
We
have
the
very
delicate
balance
we
have
of
commercial
and
residential
properties.
You
know
our.
We
just
want
to
keep
the
diversity
of
property
use
throughout
the
neighborhood,
and
we
also
want
to
want
to
preserve
the
needed
housing
for
their,
whether
it's
for
renters,
long-term
residents,
future
residents
and
also
just
to
help
with
affordable
housing.
So
we
we
strongly
would
encourage
you
to
go
ahead
and
vote
on
this,
because
the
objective
is
the
same.
P
We
planning
commission
and
a
very
rare
show
of
majority
support
against
this
proposal.
The
applicant
at
217
ashley
has
come,
has
previously
sought
upzoning
to
a
commercial
property
and
it
was
defeated
at
bza,
planning,
commission
and
council
before
so.
You
know
our
neighbors,
our
neighborhood
is,
you
know
we
welcome
we're
very
progressive,
we're
not
anti
we're
anti-growth
or
nimbies.
We
we
want.
We
just
want
to
preserve
and
not
have
the
whole
neighborhood
turn
into
one
huge
short
term.
P
We
are
always
open
to
use
variances
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
so
I
would
encourage
council
to
go
ahead
and
bring
this
to
a
vote.
Our
our
neighborhood
has
rallied
and
been
to
a
neighborhood
meeting
planning,
commission
and
now
to
the
city
council.
P
We
have
a
deluge
of
continually
request:
a
property
seeking
commercial
commercial
zoning
so
that
they
can
be
strs.
So
I
I
would
ask
the
council
to
please
take
this
up
at
night
and
and
kindly
defeat
the
applicant's
request.
Q
Listening
to
us
tonight,
I
would
just
state
exactly
what
mr
hawkins
was
saying
is
my
belief.
We're
a
welcoming,
neighborhood.
R
Q
Welcome
str's,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
inventory
out
there.
That
has,
you
know,
needs
to
be
looked
at.
We
don't
need
to
add
to
it
as
to
that,
we
feel
would
add
a
create,
an
imbalance
that
we
worked
so
hard
to
create
the
neighborhood
between
commercial
and
residential.
Q
So
I
mean
we're
more
than
welcome
to
work
and
discuss
those
types
of
things,
but,
as
this
is
currently
being
brought
to
us
here
at
the
last
minute,
at
ct
is
just
the
same
thing.
It's
the
same
end
game.
So
we
would
like
to
work
with
these
people
to
and
and
with
all
of
us
to
to,
to
join
together,
hopefully
come
up
with
a
resolution.
A
A
K
Well,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
our
case
in
front
of
the
council.
My
name
is
nancy
summer
and
I'm
here
with
my
husband
blaine,
we
are
homeowners
at
213
b,
ashley
avenue,
which
directly
borders
one
of
the
properties
that
is
seeking
and
has
previously
sought
the
zoning
change,
217
ashley.
In
fact,
the
entire
rear
length
of
our
house
abuts
the
property
at
217
ashley.
K
I
can
only
speak
personally
as
to
our
concerns
for
the
rest
requested.
Rezoning
of
217
ashley
as
the
intended
purposes
have
varied
throughout
the
multiple
requests,
and
we
have
been
very
concerned
about
increased
noise,
possible
safety
and
security
risks
and
definitely
the
utilization
of
parking
in
the
neighborhood
and
on
the
streets.
K
We
purchased
our
home
at
a
considerable
investment
with
the
knowledge
that,
though
the
neighborhood
was
a
mix
of
business
and
residential
properties,
we
valued
that
we
had
a
residential
balance
surrounding
our
home.
We
have
attended
multiple
hearings
over
the
past
several
years,
which
has
been
really
an
exhaustive
effort
to
try
to
prevent
the
precedent
of
residents
being
able
to
convert
their
homes
to
business
zoning
for
their
individual
interests.
K
K
I
Yep,
mr
mayor
councilman,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you.
My
name
is
bob
holt
and
I
live
at
six
tully
alley
in
the
burr
cannon.
Neighbor
elliott,
canonburgh
neighborhood.
I've
lived
here
since
1985.,
so
I've
seen
a
lot
of
changes
in
the
neighborhood.
I
I
was
the
chairman
of
the
design
and
development
committee
when
the
str
overlay
ordinance
went
through
the
city
when
mayor
riley
and
we
worked
with
mayor
riley,
we
worked
with
the
city
very
closely.
We
worked
with
all
the
neighbors
two
years.
We
worked
with
the
preservation
society.
We've
worked
with
historic
charleston
foundation,
our
neighborhood
is
not
nimby.
I
We
do
have
a
lot
of
landlord
owned
properties
where
we
have
tenants
and
those
would
be
the
first
to
go
in
this
cascade.
That
would
happen
if
you
guys
permit
this
up.
Zoning.
The
property
125
cannon
was
purchased
a
year
ago
and
is
being
renovated
as
a
home.
The
only
use
for
that
in
in
a
commercial
setting
is
an
str.
I
The
owners
of
217
ashley
avenue
have
been
before
you
multiple
times,
attempting
an
upzoning,
and
this
is
the
latest
attempt
where
they
have
retained
mr
green
to
represent
themselves
and
several
others.
To
attempt
to
have
a
more
compelling
case
to
you.
It
does
not
make
a
more
compelling
case.
It
highlights
the
danger
of
permitting
people
to
buy
properties
that
are
zoned
residential
and
up
zone
them
for
their
own
pecuniary
benefit
and
to
the
detriment,
the
great
detriment
of
the
neighborhood.
If
you
permit
this,
we
will
not
have
a
neighborhood.
I
Almost
there
are
several
hundred
properties
that
abut
commercial
properties
in
our
neighborhood
and
and
you
will
be
deluged
as
we
are
in
our
neighborhood
with
people
seeking
to
do
this.
There
are
over
40
properties
on
cannon
and
spring
that
are
that
would
come
before
you
that
are
currently
zoned
residential.
I
thank
you
and
I
request
that
you
deny
this
great
thank.
B
F
Thank
you.
I
I
have
to
say
that
in
the
last
10
minutes,
I
have
realized
why
we
have
public
hearing
and
then
we
entertain
action
for
council,
so
I
I
would
like
to
withdraw
my
motion
to
defer.
I
do
feel
like
this
deserves
a
vote
this
evening.
If
ms
herdina
says
that
we
can
take
up
the
applicant's
request
to
make
it
a
ct
rezoning
as
opposed
to
an
lb
that
we
would
vote
on
tonight,
I
would
prefer
to
have
that
vote
and
not
defer
it.
B
Let
me
go
back
to
jennifer.
Did
you
have
anyone
else
that
wanted
to
be
heard.
A
We
actually,
we
did
have
some
comments
that
we
received
related
to
items
e3
through
five.
Four
people
supported
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
to
disapprove
121
cannon.
Five
people
supported
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
regarding
217
ashley
avenue,
and
four
people
supported
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
regarding
125
cannon,
and
that
was
all.
B
L
B
The
planning
commission
recommended
disapprove
this
disapproval
right.
So
if
we
want
to
have
a
motion
to
agree
with
the
planning
commission,
then
we
would
be
denying
the
up
zoning
council,
member
waring.
S
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
actually
want
to
put
a
motion
on
the
flow
of
defer
and
let
me
explain
why,
from
listening
to
the
residences,
mr
green
and
I
think
mr
hinton
and
mr
holt,
I
was
in
a
situation
similar
to
this
in
1986.
S
If
you
look
at
the
corner
of
rutledge
and
mootree,
there's
a
small
two-story
office
building
diagonally
across
from
the
bank,
a
church
in
hampton
park,
and
you
have
residents
down
military
street.
You
have
residents
down
rutledge
avenue
and
when
I
put
an
application,
well,
no
counsel.
At
the
time
when
I
put
an
application
for
the
zoning
change,
the
zoning
administrator
at
the
time
said
that
if
they
allowed
a
commercial
zoning
to
go
there,
it
would
destroy
the
residential
makeup
of
that
neighborhood.
S
Well,
the
city
had
just
come
up
with
a
zoning
category
that
mr
green
referred
to
commercial
transition
and
it
was
designed.
If
you
go
through
the
categories,
you
know,
you've
got
heavy
industrial
you've
got
light,
industrial
you've
got
general
business,
you've
got
limited
business,
then
you
have
commercial
transitional,
which
is
supposed
to
be
a
softer
approach.
S
As
you
get
into
a
residential
area,
for
example,
commercial
transitional,
then
it
goes
to
multi-family
and
then
obviously
single-family
our
ordinance
and
it's
an
unintended
consequence,
because
when
the
city
came
up
with
commercial
transitional,
there
was
no
discussion
about
short-term
rental
and
several
of
these
concerned.
Neighbors
have
reported
str,
which
I
agree.
S
I
agree
that
limited
business
shouldn't
go
there,
but
in
our
commercial
transitional,
as
well
as
our
limited
business
zoning
categories,
both
allow
short-term
rentals.
I
don't
understand
why.
If
we've
got
a,
we
need
to
amend
the
commercial
transitional
ordinance
to
take
away
short-term
rentals,
because
if
a
person
doesn't
want
to
do
short-term
rentals-
and
you
want
to
put
a
softer
business
in
there-
I
don't
know
a
salon
or
a
bakery.
I
don't
know
all
those
type
things
fit
in
pretty
well.
S
As
a
matter
of
fact,
mr
miller,
you
probably
remember
when
one
block
down
bull
winkle
bakery
used
to
be
on
rock
legend
canon
street.
It's
now
condos
by
the
way,
so
commercial
transitional
would
allow
for
believe
it
or
not
residential,
as
well
as
low
level
businesses.
It
actually
re.
With
some
of
the
differences
between
limited
business
and
ct
hours
of
operation,
you
can
put
a
gas
station
in
limited
business.
You
can't
put
a
gas
station
in
commercial
transitional.
S
Most
of
the
businesses
allowed.
There
are
allowed
to
operate
until
about
eight
o'clock
at
night.
Now
it
does
allow
for
a
resting
restaurant.
But
if
we
were
to
immense,
we
meaning
the
city
were
to
amend,
ct
to
take
away
short-term
rental.
S
Then
I
think
you
would
have
another
avenue
for
businesses
or
property
owners
that
don't
want
to
be
disruptive
to
neighborhoods
put
in
businesses
that
can
dovetail
frankly
with
neighborhoods
and
then
again
I'm
repeating,
but
not
be
a
threat
with
short-term
rentals
and
partying
until
the
brady
gadon,
and
I
just
think
we
that
unintended
consequences
of
having
that
ability
to
do
str
and
lb
as
well
as
ct.
S
It
was
never
the
city
never
intended
that
we
evolved
into
that
because,
as
I
said,
when
658
rutledge
avenue
is
when
I'm
talking
about
the
building
that
I
built
to
put
my
office
in
and
actually
there's
an
attorney
that
was
upstairs
above
it
and
today
20
some
odd
years
later,
not
one
of
those
residents
have
changed
to
commercial
but
boarded
the
property.
I
I
will
ask
you
to
go
from
rutledge
avenue
to
king
street
on
mootree
street.
S
You
won't
find
one
other
commercial
building
and
if
you
were
to
go
north
on
rutledge
avenue
from
mootree
street
to
go
all
the
way
to
cleveland
street,
there's,
not
one
additional
commercial
building
network
op
zone
as
a
result
of
that
commercial
transitional
coming
right
down
the
corner
of
rutledge
and
moultrie
street,
and
this
is
about
22
23
years
it
was
1986
when
we
got
the
zone
chance.
24
years
later.
To
me,
it
seems
like
commercial
transitional.
If
you
remove,
the
ability
to
put
str
would
be
very
well
suited
for
this
location.
S
I
passed
to
that
location
since
I've
been
11
years
old.
I
go
to
st
patrick's
catholic
church
and
we
come
from
what
west
ashland-
and
I
remember
when
most
of
those
houses-
that's
zoned
in
the
pink,
mr
morgan,
all
the
businesses
that
zone
limited
business
around
it.
S
I
think
a
great
solution
to
this,
so
the
neighbors
won't
be
threatened
about
late
night
operations,
maybe
possible
businesses
that
come
there
would
be
utilized
by
a
little
bit
more
by
the
neighborhood
like
the
salon
across
the
street
is
now
that
used
to
be
a
residence,
but
right
now
the
neighborhood
doesn't
have
that
option.
Nor
does
the
applicant
having
that
option
option.
Why?
S
Because
our
ordinance
inflexible
enough,
so
my
motion
is
to
defer
it
asking
staff
to
go
back
and
amend
ct,
taking
away
str
from
that
category
and
hopefully,
if
the
applicant
wants
to
come
back
with
that
amended
version
of
ct.
S
M
If
the
applicant,
the
applicant
may
appear
before
the
planning
commission
to
rezone
from
diverse
residential
to
limited
business,
which
was
denied
he's
now
seeking
to
have
a
different
classification
which
did
not
appear
before
the
planning
commission,
if,
if
he
withdrew
the
application
tonight
or
if
it's
deferred
as
councilmember
waring
has
moved,
does
it
have
to
go
back
before
the
planning
commission
based
on
either
the
deferral
or
if
he
makes
a
decision
to
withdraw
the
application?
At
this
time,.
O
T
I
I
just
checked
you
know
so,
generally
speaking,
I
agree
with
what
christopher
said:
if
you
went
from
more
intense
use
to
a
less
intense
use,
that
would
be
fine,
and
but
that
would
require
all
the
you
know.
Basically,
in
every
use
category
you
could
never
get
in
in
more
intense
use
in
ct
than
in
lb,
and
I
don't
know
why
or
I
just
scrolled
through
the
ordinance.
T
T
You
could
have
two
more
intense
uses
in
the
ct
than
the
lb,
so
I
think
that
would
have
to
be
sent
back
to
planning
commission
and
I
don't
think
there's
anything
that
prevents
that,
but
that
that
would
be
the
process
is
to
refer
back
to
planning
commission
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
ct
or
have
a
public
hearing
on
ct
for
first
reading
at
city
council.
First,
whichever
you
want
to
do.
M
I'm
just
concerned
about
the
applicant's
change
in
making
sure
that
we
keep
this
process
clean
so
that,
just
from
a
due
process
standpoint,
everybody
has
an
opportunity
to
be
heard
on
this
change
and
whether
or
not
the
applicant
is
required
to
go
back
in
front
of
the
planning
commission,
so
that
I
mean
I
hate
to
do
this
to
the
citizens
who
have
talked
out
of
about
this.
They
obviously
are
very
much
uniform
in
the
opposition
to
the
present
application,
but
it
makes
sense
to
me.
M
T
Yes,
sir,
and
there
are
restrictions,
I
think
we
have
like
a
six-month
restriction
for
new
applications
under
certain
circumstances,
but
I
don't
that
wouldn't
apply
if
it's
a
com,
if
it's
a
different
ass
than
the
original
ask
I
mean
it.
You
know
if
you
know
you
request
single-family
residential
zoning,
the
first
time
and
then
go
to
commercial.
The
second
time
you
don't
have
to
wait
the
six
months,
so
that's
kind
of
the
other
issue.
Is
you
wouldn't
be?
T
U
Yeah
just
a
couple
of
questions
to
our
legal
team.
If
we
were
to
make
the
change
in
ct
by
eliminating
str,
all
those
existing
cts
would
be
grandfathered
in
and
there
are
considerable
amount
of
ct
out
there,
so
it
would
not
affect
those
that
are
currently
under
that
zoning.
Am
I
correct
it.
T
It
might
I
mean
we,
those
are
temporary
permits.
Those
are
not
that's,
not
a
vested
right
in
the
sense
of
a
permanent
tested
right.
It's
a
temporary
use
permit
for
wait,
wait.
This
is
short
term
well.
I'd
have
to
check
on
commercial
short
terms
yeah.
It
may
be
a
permanent
use
permission.
U
I
think
that's
a
very
important
point
for
us
to
try,
because
if
it's
going
to
affect
the
existing
cts,
I
think
that
it
could
be
problem
problematic.
Now
there
there
are
other
alternatives
as
well
I
mean
we
could.
We
could
keep
the
existing
ct
in
place
and
do
another
category
of
ct
which
excludes
short-term
rental.
U
So
I
you
know,
in
terms
of
sitting
back
and
sort
of
discussing
this
at
length
and
going
through
all
the
pros
and
cons.
U
I
don't
think
that
it,
it
would
be
a
useless
exercise,
because
I
think
this
will
come
up
for
us
again
at
some
point,
because
right
now
I
see
very
little
distinction
between
the
ct
and
tlb,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
str
and
the
big
issue
in
this
community,
okay
of
which
I
represent,
and
I've
been
dealing
with
this
issue
now
for
two
or
three
years.
U
Okay
and
the
the
neighborhood
association
is
extremely
adamant
about
not
allowing
these
properties
to
become
short-term
rentals,
and
I
just
don't
want
the
applicant
to
attempt
to
go
to
another
category
and
if
he,
which
would
still
provide
the
opportunity
to
do
short-term
rentals.
So
for
me,
we
need
to
deal
with
the
str
issue.
S
T
Yes,
remember:
I
just
checked
while
you're
talking
and
it
is
a
one-year
permit,
so
once
it
expires,
there'd
be
no
vested
right.
I
mean
you
can't
build
a
new
short-term
rental
unit
in
this
area.
You
have
to
convert
an
existing
unit.
So
if
you
take
away
the
one,
if
the
one-year
permit
expires-
and
you
don't-
you
don't
allow
short-term
rentals
in
this
zoning
area,
they
don't
get
a
continued
vested
right.
It's
not,
it
doesn't
fall
under
that
act.
It's
a
temporary
use,
permit,
not
a
permanent
use.
Permit.
I
C
Yes,
I
was
alluding
to
the
same
thing
that
the
council
member
gregory
was
saying
which
is
the
district
he
represents,
but
I
also
on
that
also
in
the
other
cannonbar
before,
and
I
think
we
they
fought
a
long
time
with
the
shark
with
the
str
a
long
time,
and
I
was
right
there
when
they
were
fighting
with
the
mayor,
that
we
were
not
going
to
have
short-term
rental
str
all
over
the
place.
They
were
fine
with
this
with
the
str
where
it's
located.
C
They
didn't
want
to
spread
it
out.
They
wanted
more
more
most
of
the
homes,
their
houses
there
and
try
to
come
with
the
residential
part
of
it
to
keep
a
balance
there
in
the
community
in
that
particular
community.
So
that's
what
we
are
looking
for
and
that's
what
they
were
looking
for.
All
the
time
is
keeping
their
balance
so
not
to
have
certain
turmoil
scattered
all
over
the
place.
So
this
is
a
thing
that
we
are
looking
at.
A
lot
of
people
were
purchasing
home
purchasing
property.
C
Just
to
do
so,
our
term
rental
str.
We
were
trying
to
hold
that
back.
So
we
got
to
look
at
this
very
carefully,
and
so
I
agree
100
with
our
councilman
gregory
that
we
need
to
do
something
else.
I'm
not
knocking
the
homeowner
who
owns
the
property,
I'm
not
doing
that,
but
I
still
have
to
look
exactly
what
the
the
community
there
once
because
they
didn't
stop
str,
but
they
were
satisfied
with
the
area
that
they
have
it
in.
C
B
So
councilmember
waring
and
council,
I'm
listening
to
all
this
and
it's
a
little
bit
complicated,
and
I
agree
completely
with
my
colleagues
here
that
we
should
should
change
the
seat
ct
or
create
a
new
ct
designation
that
disallows
str.
B
So
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
but
just
to
keep
this
thing
clean,
I
I
can
tell
you
my
preference
would
be
to
deny
this
up
zoning
this
evening
and
then
let
us
change
the
ct
and
if
the
property
owners
really
want
a
ct
after
we've
done
that
change,
they
could
come
back
and
and
apply
for
it.
What
do
you?
Okay.
S
I
actually
think
that's
a
pretty
good
eye
idea.
Mr
mayor
matthew,
councilman
gregory
was
right
when
he's
thinking
about
some
of
the
folks
that
her
grandfather
actually
mr
mcqueen,
when
he
brought
up
that
there
are
two
issues
in
ct
that
can
allow
people
to
have
longer
hours
of
operation
and
creating
the
second
category
of
ct.
I
hope
we
would
eliminate
that
mr
mclean,
as
we
take
away
the
str,
and
I
think,
you'd
have
a
category
with
where
this
property
owner
can
come
up
with
something
that
doves
tail
with
the
community.
S
You're
not
gonna
the
community
not
going
to
be
upset
because
there's
not
going
to
be
any
more
str's,
not
at
this
location.
Anyway,
I
think
you
got
a
win-win.
The
problem
here
is
nothing
in
a
zoning
category
that
these
folk
can
apply
for
that
doesn't
allow
a
use
or
many
uses
that
would
be
upsetting
to
the
neighborhood,
and
I
I
we
have
the
ability
just
to
tweak
on
a
existing
ordinance.
S
If
they
can
come
back
they're,
not
they
wouldn't
be
prohibited
from
coming,
but
they
don't
have
to
wait
a
year
or
anything
like
that
or
six
months.
Correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
mr
mcqueen
after
we
tweak
that
audience
if
they
want
to
apply
for
it,
I
agree
they
should
go
through
zoning
and
then
come
back
up
to
council
just
like
the
normal
route
should
be,
but
it
would
be
settling
to
the
neighborhood
and,
I
think,
possibly
a
win-win
for
all.
S
I
say
that
because
I
was
in
the
exact
same
position
24
years
ago
at
650
rutledge
avenue,
but
at
that
time
nobody
even
had
the
topic
str
on
their
mind.
Today
we
do
so
yeah.
I
agree
with
you,
mr
mayor.
I
will
withdraw
my
if
the
action
step
is
to
give
instructions
on
the
other
side,
the
staff
to
go
ahead
and
work
on
that
amended
ordinance.
I
withdraw
my
motion
to
defer
and
look
forward
to
the
actions.
B
Absolutely
how.
S
B
Can
you
get
back
to
is
christopher,
mr
morgan,
with
a
proposed
change
or
new
ct
designation.
H
We
can
work
on
that
mayor
and
and
send
it
forward
to
council
for
a
first
read.
I
know
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
pending
from
a
zoning
amendment
standpoint
and
this
one
is
a
little
bit
tricky
because
of
the
the
str
is
already
in
existence
in
the
area,
but
we
can
get
working
on
it
and
get
it
back
to
you.
Hopefully
in
a
month
or
so,
I
would
hope.
B
At
this
point,
I'm
afraid
mr
lowe
we're
already
past
the
the
public
participation
period.
Councilmember
c
king.
L
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
actually
I
agree
with
you
100,
I
think.
Procedurally,
we
should
do
exactly
what
you
have
suggested
and
councilman
waring.
I
hear
you,
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
make
sure
we
do,
though,
is
just
look
at
how
many
cts
are
out
there
that
are
also
inside
both
this
overlay
zone
and
otherwise
qualified
for
short-term
rentals,
because
we're
going
to
have
to
notice
those
properties.
So
it's
going
to
take
some
period
of
time
to
make
sure
we
clean
it
up
and
do
it
right
so.
L
U
And
this
is
this
is
to
chip.
I
mean
if
we
were
to
make
an
amendment
to
the
existing.
Can
we
hold
harmless?
Okay,
the
existing
cts,
which
currently
have
the
str.
T
So
I
don't
think
you
could
just
you
could
try
it'd
be
a
lot
cleaner
to
just
create
a
new
zoning
district
if
you're
going
to
do
it
that
way,
I
did
want
to
point
out
that,
even
if
you're
commercially
zoned,
you
have
to
have
a
residential
building
to
have
a
short-term
rental
in
these
areas.
So
if
you
have
an
existing
commercial
building
in
this
area,
you
would
literally
have
to
tear
it
down
in
a
commercial
district
and
build
a
house
and
then
allow
the
short-term
rental
in
this
area.
So
it's
not
any
commercial
property.
L
Back
options
on
ct.
L
B
Any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Thank
you
all
for
your
patience
and
for
your
consideration,
and
there
is
a
path
forward,
mr
lowe,
if
you'd
like
after
we
form
the
new
ct,
designation,
we'll
we'll
get
right
on
it
and
it
shouldn't
take
more
than
a
month
or
two
thank.
B
N
Just
one
other
statement,
I
just
want
to
thank
council
and
the
members
of
the
neighborhood
association
for
being
willing
to
talk
everyone's
been
very
gracious
and
very
cooperative,
and
we
look
forward
to
working
to
trying
to
find
something
that
works
with
the
applicant
in
the
neighborhood.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
E
B
Mr
lowe,
you
want
to
have
your
two
minutes
that
you
really
you
would
give
it
over
to
mr
green.
Go
ahead,
sir.
D
Yes,
mr
mayor,
thank
you
very
much.
I.
I
would
very
much
like
mr
green
to
have
us
two
minutes
to
put
on
our
presentation
that
we
had
and
then
you
could.
You
could
vote
to
deny
us.
No,
no,
no.
E
D
Do
I
understand
that
we
are-
I
don't
unders
I'd
like
the
council
to
kindly
explain.
I.
I
think
that
you've
denied
our
applications
but
you've
made,
but
the
instructions
that
you're
you're
going
forward
to
the
planning
commission
are
separate
issues,
no,
no,
no,
no,
so
that
we
are
denied,
and
so
we
we
have
six
months
to
refile
after
the
ordinance
has
changed.
If
that's
what
it
is
you're
going
to
do,.
B
I'm
sure
mr
green
would
would
give
you
great
advice,
but
we
have
denied
your
application
this
evening.
Okay,
we
have
asked
council,
I
mean:
we've
asked
our
staff
to
come
back
to
council
in
the
near
future,
likely
to
create
a
new
commercial
zoning
designation
that
would
allow
a
a
commercial
use
consist
friendly
to
the
neighborhood
similar
to
ct,
but
that
would
not
allow
a
short-term
rental.
D
B
That's
correct
and
once
we
form
that
new
designation,
though
mr
lowe,
you
would
be
able
to
come
back
and
and
file
a
new
application
for
that
commercial
designation
and
go
through
the
process.
If
you
successful
getting
that
approved,
you
might
put
some
other
appropriate
business
there,
but
you
would
not
be
able
to
put
a
short-term
rental.
B
B
Yeah
yeah
absolutely
good.
It
would
likely
be
denied
same
fate,
but
you
certainly
would
have
that
legal
right.
M
B
H
Okay,
e6:
this
is
back
to
the
st
phillips
street
right
of
way
that
you
just
had
the
removal
from
the
system,
the
transportation
system.
It's
currently
unzoned
right
of
way.
It
would
become
part
of
this
shepherd
street
pud
here
between
shepherd
street
and
the
septum
mcclarke
parkway.
It
had
previously
been
owned
by
scdot
and
the
city
would
be
requesting
this
because
it
came
to
the
city
and
then
it
would
go
to
the
property
owners.
H
The
commission
recommended
approval
six
to
zero
of
this
request,
and
I
think
you
all
know
where
this
property
is
right.
There
on
the
northern
end
of
st
phillips
street.
B
All
right
jennifer
did
anyone
sign
up
to
be
heard
on
this
matter.
T
H
This
is
a
recent
annexation
in
west
ashley.
It
was
zoned
all
four
in
charleston
county,
the
closest
compatible
district
in
the
city
is
sr1,
as
are
other
properties
in
the
city
zoned.
In
that
way,
in
this
neighborhood
planning
commission
voted
6-0
in
favor
of
the
sr1.
L
B
H
Eight-
and
this
is
sam
crawford,
also
in
west
ashley,
a
similar
r4
annexation
from
charleston
county
to
sr1
into
the
city
of
charleston.
R
H
H
K
B
B
November
10th
any
deletions
changes
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it.
Thank
you.
So
next
is
our
citizens
participation
period
maryland.
Madam
clerk
lead
us
through
that.
I
would
appreciate
it.
A
V
Okay,
thank
you.
I
want
to
thank
you
mayor
for
the
time
to
talk
during
mayor's
night
in
last
week,
providing
that
time
to
speak
with
you
is
a
valuable
way
to
get
input
from
your
residents,
and
we
appreciate
it,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
charleston
coalition
for
wireless
safety
standards,
and
I
would
like
to
address
one
thing
that
we
discussed
last
week.
V
We
want
to
be
very
sure
that
every
small
sale
application,
given
a
permit
meets
every
requirement
that
the
local
government
is
allowed
to
put
upon
them.
The
first
one
is
an
application,
can
be
declared
incomplete
due
to
lack
of
an
nepa
evaluation.
The
applicant
can
be
required
to
produce
written
evidence
of
an
epa
review.
V
Second,
an
application
can
be
required
to
comply
with
the
americans
for
disabilities
act.
Third,
an
application
can
be
denied
if
it
fails
to
show
the
applicant
is
licensed
for
the
fcc
by
the
fcc
to
provide
service
within
the
jurisdiction
that
comes
from
our
new
wireless
facilities.
Act
h4262
that
the
state
just
passed.
V
Fourth,
property
devaluation
is
a
valid
reason
for
residential
denial.
Fifth,
a
local
government
can
require
an
applicant
show.
There
is
significant
gap
in
wireless
services
for
an
area
that
is
applied
for
sixth,
lack
of
sufficient
fall
zone,
of
course,
is
a
valid
reason
for
denial
and
seven
all
applications
must
contain
an
fcc
compliance
form
and
of
the
ones
we
looked
at
eight
of
them.
As
far
as
we
can
tell
of
the
current
site,
applications
do
not
have
an
fcc
compliance.
V
A
W
Yes,
thank
you
so
much
jennifer.
Thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you,
council
and
and
listening
to
your
budget
meetings.
I
really
saying
a
prayer
for
y'all
to
get
all
that
stuff
sorted
out.
That
is
a
very
complicated
thing
you'll
have
going
on.
I
do
hope
that
the
city
doesn't
approve
the
central
park
cluster
stormwater
plan.
I
was
very
baffled
at
the
planning
commission
meeting
just
last
week
when
they
got
an
extension
and
it
seemed
like
in
black
and
white.
W
A
B
Great,
thank
you,
madam
clerk
appreciate
it
and,
and
no
one
else
came
on
board
the
meeting
with
a
notification
to
be
heard.
That's
it.
B
B
K
B
The
opposed,
thank
you
very
much.
Then
we
have
three
positions
for
our
board
of
zones.
B
Any
discussion
on
those
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
all
right.
You
oppose
the
eyes.
Have
it
next
we're
going
to
have
a
report
from
katie
mccain,
our
director
of
sustainability
on
our
recent
advisory
committee,
meeting
on
resiliency
and
sustainability,
katie.
X
Great
thank
you
mayor
good
evening.
Everyone,
the
resiliency
and
sustainability
advisory
committee,
met
on
november
12th.
There
were
11
of
13
members
present.
First
on
the
agenda
was
an
update
from
mark
wohlert
on
the
u.s
army
corps
of
engineer
peninsula
flood
risk
management
study
mark
mentioned
the
wagner
and
ball
team
have
been
busy
meeting
with
key
stakeholders
and
gathering
more
input
and
they're,
helping
us
to
evaluate
our
options
as
we
approach
that
recently
extended
agency
decision
milestone
of
either
supporting
the
tentatively
selected
plan
or
having
a
locally
preferred
plan.
X
Next
on
the
agenda,
I
gave
an
update
about
a
mattress
recycling
pilot
program
which
is
being
funded
through
a
grant.
As
you
know,
we
recently
received,
we
have
selected
our
contracted
hauler
there.
The
hauler's
name
is
bedshed
and
we
anticipate
the
recycling
program
will
start
on
january.
1St
2021
we're
excited
about
that,
and
we
will
have
lots
more
information
and
program.
Details
will
be
posted
on
our
website.
X
Next
on
the
agenda
was
our
vulnerability
assessment
final
report,
matt
hutchins
with
nemac
and
fernleaf,
presented,
highlights
of
the
all
hazards,
vulnerability
assessment,
which
is
really
a
city
planning
tool
to
help
inform
on
our
many
local
hazards,
including
who
is
at
risk
and
what
assets
and
facilities
are
at
risk.
That
complete
report
is
available
on
our
website.
X
Next,
on
the
agenda
is
the
updating
of
our
climate
action
plan,
which
is
underway.
This
fall
and
will
last
through
the
winter
myself
and
stuart
weinberg
shared
preliminary
feedback
from
residents
who
participated
in
our
online
community
engagement
survey
and
a
public
meeting
and
gave
gave
their
ideas
about
climate
action.
X
Also,
the
first
climate
action
task
force
meeting
was
held
in
late
september,
so
I
presented
a
recap
of
that
group's
discussion
on
potential
emissions
reduction
targets.
Next,
we
will
convene
subcommittee
volunteer
groups
to
discuss
very
specific
specific
focus
areas
when
it
comes
to
climate
action
such
as
buildings,
waste
and
transportation.
X
Many
of
those
will
be
meeting
in
this
in
the
next
few
weeks
and
finally,
if
there
are
any
other
volunteers
who
would
like
to
participate
in
the
climate
action
planning
process
or
get
involved
in
any
subcommittees
or
if
there
are
any
other
city
council
members
who
would
like
to
either
get
involved
themselves
or
suggest
a
representative
to
sort
of
serve
on
a
subcommittee,
please
let
me
know
happy
to
entertain
any
suggestions.
B
Great,
thank
you
katie,
so
any
questions
for
katie
what
I
wanted
to
particularly
report
out,
which
she
did
but
I'll
highlight
that
the
vulnerability
report
that
we
ordered
oh
gee
a
year
and
a
half
or
two
years
ago
now
we
had
had
a
a
preliminary
report
to
council.
But
it's
it's
the
final
report
now
I
think
there
was
article
about
the
newspaper
but
katie.
B
If
you
don't
mind,
resending
the
link
to
everyone
if
they
are
so
inclined
to
take
a
look
at
that,
it
really
is
an
important
guiding
or
planning
tool
for
for
the
future,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
council
was
aware
that
that
had
been
finalized.
B
Any
questions
for
katie
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much,
katie.
Now
an
update
on
our
city's
response
to
kobe
19.
First,
I'd
like
to
call
on
shannon
scaff
our
emergency
management
director.
Y
Good
evening,
everyone,
mr
mayor
members
of
council
and
happy
thanksgiving
good
to
see
you
all-
we've
got
a
number
of
efforts
that
we're
working
external
to
the
city
with
our
partners.
I'll
start
with
the
vaccination
plan.
There's
a
lot
of
discussions
out
there
about
vaccinations.
Y
Y
Scdhec.Gov
again,
it's
a
three-phase
approach
with
the
first
phase,
concentrating
on
health
care,
high
risk
populations
and
individuals
of
critical
infrastructure
phase
two
is
the
more
more
of
a
general
population
and
then
finally,
phase
three
would
be
management
of
surplus
surplus
doses
more
to
follow
on
all
of
that,
as
the
plan
becomes
more
solid,
I'm
working
with
the
the
board
of
directors
for
the
cooper
river
bridge
run
to
sort
of
nail
down
what
the
2021
event
would
look
like
and
if,
in
fact,
the
decision
was
made
on
that,
I
want
to
stress,
there
hasn't
been
a
decision
made,
but
I
am
in
engaged,
along
with
miss
amanda
knight
of
the
town
of
mount
pleasant
emergency
management,
so
we're
working
with
them
on
those
details,
we're
also
working
with
the
county
and
our
own
chris
jardin
of
the
city
to
nail
down
what
our
warming
shelter
efforts
would
look
like
this
year,
as
the
temperatures
are
starting
to
drop
and
a
coveted
environment
could
be
a
bit
of
a
challenge
for
us
chris,
as
always
has
done
a
fantastic
job
in
terms
of
nailing
down
details
for
screening
individuals
as
they
enter
the
facility
and
then,
finally,
just
a
brief
update
on
where
we
are
with
regard
to
ppe,
we're
at
90
000,
surgical,
masks
right
now,
we're
poised
to
handle
two
cloth
masks
for
each
individual
employee
of
the
city
to
be
distributed
right
after
thanksgiving
of
the
135
000
k,
95,
masks
that
were
donated.
Y
We
have
65
000
of
those
remaining
we've
distributed
a
number
of
mass
to
assisted
living
facilities
in
the
area,
and
so
mike.
Tito
of
emergency
management
continues
to
do
a
great
job,
making
sure
that
we
have
everything
that
we
need
to
go
into
the
end
of
the
flu
season
penny
your
questions,
that's
all
I
have
for
you
tonight,
councilmember.
E
Griffin
and
I
sure
hope
they
had
the
cooper
river
bridge
run
this
year,
because
my
one
of
my
best
friends,
if
he
loses
his
fantasy
football
league,
he's
got
to
run
the
cooper
river
bridge
run
in
a
suit.
So
I
have
I've
got
to
see
that
in
person,
so
I
sure
hope
they
have
it
obviously
for
more
important
reasons,
but
health
and
safety
number
one
for
sure.
Yes,
sir.
B
All
right,
so
if
there
are
no
further
questions
for
shannon
tracy
mckee
is
gonna
round
out
our
report.
Tracy.
Z
Let
me
just
have
a
couple
of
slides
to
to
share
with
you
all
tonight,
just
a
very
brief
update
on
where
we
are
you're,
probably
aware
that,
let's
make
sure
there
we
go,
we've
now
hit
over
12
million
cumulative
covid
cases
in
the
u.s,
and
you
might
remember
when
I
was
here
two
weeks
ago,
that
number
was
10
million,
so
the
cases
have
definitely
nationwide
been
been
on
the
rise
pretty
significantly.
Z
If
you
can
look
at
this
little
red
circle
on
this
slide,
the
that's
where
we
were
two
weeks
ago
when
I
was
here
and
given
this
update,
so
you
can
see
it
looked
like
a
pretty
big
jumping
trajectory
two
weeks
ago,
but
now
we're
we're
over
here.
So
at
the
end,
so
you
can
see
the
it's
quite
a
significant
jump.
Z
We've
had
a
new
record
of
more
than
196
000
cases.
In
one
day
that
was
on
november
20th
and,
like
I
said
over
two
million
new
cases
over
the
past
two
weeks
at
the
in
the
city
zip
code
level.
Z
Z
It's
on
both
of
my
screens
and
they're,
not
they're,
not
in
sync,
so
sorry
so
yeah.
So
you
can
see
you
know
not
quite
the
the
significant
trajectory
that
we
had
over
the
summer,
but
still
you
know
we're
really
kind
of
on
this.
You
know
nice,
steady,
climb
up,
obviously
we'd
like
to
see
that
as
flat
as
possible,
but
we're
still
really
compared
to
everywhere
else.
Z
We
are
still
looking
fairly
good
at
the
zip
code
level
here
in
charleston
and
just
kind
of
looking
at
two
week,
kind
of
seven
day
periods,
and
we
actually
saw
fourteen
percent
decrease
in
the
last
seven
days.
But
if
you
look
at
the
previous
seven
days,
it
was
a
sixty
percent
increase,
so
on
average
we're
still
on
that
upward
trajectory,
but
we
do
still
seem
to
be
on
this
little
up
and
down
roller
coaster.
Z
With
our
cases
at
the
zip
code
level
I
mentioned
29401
a
couple
weeks
ago,
we
can
see
that
the
active
cases
per
thousand
are
really
kind
of
going
up
really
across
all
the
zip
codes.
It's
kind
of
widespread
and
kind
of
the
the
growth
rate
number.
That's
that
really
stands
out
at
least
at
this
time
or
last
night
was
the
two
nine
four
five
five
zip
code,
but
they
all
seemed
to
be
on
a
steady
trend,
upwards,
quick
update
on
where
we
are
with
city,
employee
cases.
Z
Z
You
know
some
cases
go
up,
but
then
they
come
back
down
as
of
today,
we
only
have
one
active
case
and
we've
had
a
total
of
143
cases
and
770
employee
tests
completed,
which
means
the
team
has
had
to
do
contact
tracing
for
each
of
those
770
people
that
so
that's
they've,
been
they've
been
very,
very
busy,
and
I
know
I
showed
this
the
last
time
and
the
thanksgiving
is
here,
but
I
just
want
to
kind
of
reiterate
you
know
for
folks
to
you
know,
really
think
about
how
they
plan
to
spend
the
thanksgiving
holiday
and
if
they
want
to
look
at
some
recommendations
from
dhec,
I've
got
the
the
link
there
because
they
are
seeing
clusters
of
cases.
B
E
E
Both
church,
creek
and
also
board
of
zoning
appeals,
I'm
I'm
good
yay
for
both
of
those.
So
oh
great.
B
O
Yes,
sir,
so
we've
got
two
items,
one
is
i4,
the
other
is
i5.
I4
is
continuing
the
declaration
of
the
local
state
of
emergency
to
january
15
2021.
This
is
in
sync
with
the
latest
action
of
the
governor
who
just
yesterday
extended
the
state's
state
of
emergency
for
some
additional
time.
That's
item
i4
item
i5
is
to
extend
several
of
our
emergency
ordinances
through
again
to
january.
O
Excuse
me
two
january,
15th
2021
and
those
ordinances
are
listed
on
page
six
of
item
i5,
and
so
we
would
ask
for
your
approval
of
both
i4
and
i5
I'll
move.
F
Jackson-
I
I
just
have
one
comment.
I
don't
see
mallory
share
from
your
office
on
on
tonight,
ms
herdina,
but
I
do
think
that
our
councilman
appel
and
the
mayor-
and
I
have
a
thank
you
to
her
to
help
clarify
how
we
are
interpreting
our
restrictions
on
fitness,
indoor,
fitness
centers.
F
We
had
our
colleague
on
james
island
councilmember
honeycutt
ran
into
some
circumstances
that
it
turns
out.
We
were
not
enforcing
our
regulations,
the
way
that
we
had
intended
them
initially,
so
I
she
clarified
that
and
and
did
all
the
research
to
make
sure
that
we
were
in
sync
with
the
governor's
restrictions,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
her
a
shout
out
for
happiness.
You
know
figure
out
what
we
really
should
and
shouldn't
be
doing.
O
Thank
you
councilmember.
She
actually
is
in
the
car
might
be
on
the
phone
and
not
able
to
speak.
I
think
she's
heading
home
to
georgia
for
thanksgiving,
but
she's
done
an
amazing
job
through
this
whole
period,
in
helping
us
as
well
as
sterling
on
on
responding
to
these
requests.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
B
All
right
now
any
other
questions
or
comments
all
in
favor
by
four
and
a
half
five,
please
say:
aye
aye.
U
B
M
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I'll
try
to
keep
this
as
brief
as
possible,
and
I've
had
several
discussions
with
other
council
members
about
the
interpretation
of
the
section.
This
deals
with
our
administration
code
on
council
meetings
and
it's
a
very
short
ordinance.
M
It
says
no
member
shall
speak
a
second
time
on
the
same
question
until
every
member
desirous
of
speaking
shall
have
spoken
and
no
more
than
twice
without
leave
of
counsel
except
to
explain,
and
then
this
is
the
other
part
that
I
think
is
a
little
confusing
and
probably
some
clarification,
nor
shall
he
she
speak
at
any
time
longer
than
15
minutes.
Now
I've
heard
different
interpretations
of
that
one
is
that
we're
limited
to
15,
minutes
total
and
now
there's
15
minutes
on
each
subject
so
and
we've
had
some
very
long
council
meetings.
M
Last
council
meeting
we
had
was
set
a
record
and
I
think
mr
dean
is
on
the
hook
for
a
pizza
for
us,
perhaps
because
we
did
finish
in
record
time,
but
otherwise
it's
just
a
matter
of
orderly
function
of
our
council
meetings
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
being
heard
and
our
voices
are
have
our
input
on
these
issues.
But
the
question
is:
are
we
limited
to
15
minutes
per
issue
or
15
minutes
total
time
and
the
enforcement
of
all
of
that?
So
that's
my
question.
B
B
And
if,
if
you
all
feel
like
a
clarification
needs
to
be
made,
I
would
suggest
you
know
we
renew
those
council
rules
at
the
first
meeting
of
each
year
and
if,
if
you
don't
want
to
think
about
any
changes,
I
would
give
them
some
some
discussion
and
thought
and
propose
them.
When
we
do
our
annual
council
rules.
AA
I
mean
everybody's
gotten
some
friendly
messages
from
me
about
how
long
our
meetings
go
on
for,
and
I
think,
if
you
can't
say
what
needs
to
be
said
on
an
issue
within
15
minutes.
V
AA
Perhaps
we
also
set
ourselves
to
a
stricter
time
limit
because
we
get
to
drone
on
and
on
for
15
minutes,
while
the
public
is
limited
to
90
seconds
or
two
minutes,
depending
on
how
many
people
have
signed
up.
That's
a
big
disparity,
so
I
think
that
we
should
tighten
the
reins
on
ourselves
a
little
bit
and
get
in
and
hold
ourselves
to
it.
We
need
to
keep
these
meetings
moving
along
and
not
hasten
through
things
that
perhaps
need
a
little
bit
more
discussion,
because
we're
all
looking
at
the
clock.
B
AB
This
is
a
point
of
clarification,
you
know,
would
it
be
whovus
and
would
you
have
the
authority?
Mr
mayor,
I
mean
in
theory,
you
could
put
time
limits
on
topics
like,
irrespective
of
the
time
limit
on
a
council
member
to
speak,
but
you
know
we
could
entertain
10
minutes
of
debate
on
a
topic
or
eight
minutes.
Not
you
know
whatever
we
determine
it
is
given.
You
know
kind
of
the
severity
of
it,
because
some
things,
obviously
we
move
through
quickly
and
other
things
deserve
a
little
bit
more
deliberation.
AB
That
might
be
just
something
to
think
about.
As
we
look
at
cleaning
up
those
rules.
U
Yeah
I
mean
as
long
as
I've
been
on
council
we've
interpreted
as
15
minutes
per
topic,
and
you
know
I
hate
to
change
that
or
restrict
that
in
any
way.
Although
I'm
not
one
of
the
long-winded.
B
U
I
just
think
that
we
should,
you
know,
leave
it
where
it
is,
and
the
the
only
other
thing
I'm
a
bit
concerned
about
is
some
folks
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
two
or
three
times
before
we
get
to
to
the
to
another
person,
and
that
includes
you,
mr
mayor,
because
the
rules
also
apply
to
all
council
members,
of
which
you
are
also
a
member
of
council
and
oftentimes.
U
I've
observed
that
you
get
to
say
a
lot.
B
U
B
B
I'm
listening
yeah.
Well,
I
I
must
admit
in
conducting
the
meeting
there
have
been
times
when,
when
I
I
I
have
tried
to
be
more
respectful
in
the
in
the
last
year.
If
I
may
say
to
to
let
everyone
have
their
turn
before
someone
speaks
again,
I
don't
get
it
perfect
all
the
time
I
admit,
but
I
I
certainly
try
to
respect
that
if
someone
hadn't
been
heard
yet,
I
think.
M
Q
J
M
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
up
to
everyone's
attention
and
because
we
were
getting
kind
of
long-winded
on
some
of
these
meetings
lasting
three
to
five
hours
when
you
couple
that
with
the
ways
and
means
meeting,
and
then
you
couple
that
with
some
of
us
being
engaged
in
other
committee
meetings,
it
is
a
eight
to
ten
hour
council
day
on
on
occasion
and
we're
all
very
collegial
and
we
all
respect
one
another.
M
However,
it's
this
is
a
matter
of
efficiency
to
get
through
the
the
agenda
in
the
manner.
That's
not
killing
the
public.
I
mean
we've
got
people
listening
in
on
these;
they
want
to.
They
want
to
pay
attention
to
topics
that
are
important
to
them.
So
I
just
I
thought
it
was
worthy
of
some
kind
of
discussion,
so
we
were
moving
the
agenda
along
without
cutting
into
someone's
opportunity
to
be
heard
and
raise
salient
points
on
particular
topics.
M
So
maybe
it's
worth
revisiting,
maybe
it's
just
worth
leaving
as
it
is,
but
I
I
just
think
that's
something
we
all
need
to
be
aware
of
and
pay
attention
to.
Well,.
B
Thank
you
and-
and
I
think
our
staff
would
appreciate
it
as
well
as
they
have
to
attend
the
meetings
our
department,
heads
and
all
like
that.
So
and
maybe
the
covert
you
know
remote
meetings
like
this
have
have
led
to
us
being
comfortable
at
home
or
whatever.
B
I
I
always
stay
here
at
office,
but
I
did
get
to
tell
you
the
truth.
One
of
these
deaths
that
I
can
now
elevate
and
stand
for
a
while
and
sit
for
a
while,
because,
frankly,
I
found
that
sitting
for
so
long
versus
standing
at
the
podium
was
killing.
My
back
and
I
don't
know
how
y'all
sit
all
the
time
when
we
have
the
long
meetings.
But
I
I
I
appreciate
that
that
that
challenge
now.
U
Come
here,
mr
mayor,
it's
not
it's
not
just
happening
now.
This
is
not
a
new
phenomenon.
We've
sat
in
council
chamber,
okay
before
you
got
there
until
10
12
1
o'clock
in
the
morning.
So
this
is
not
a
new
phenomenon.
Okay,
this
isn't
something
that
just
happened.
Okay,
priority
coming
and
prior
to
most
of
you,
there
we've
sat
in
that
chamber,
10
11
12
o'clock
at
night.
Yes,
we
did.
B
Well,
that
was
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
mention
that
we
have
been
dealing
with
a
lot
of
stuff
yeah
and
some
of
them
required
some
real
decision-making
conversation,
particularly
in
this
covered
year,
so
that
has
certainly
led
to
it
all
right.
Well,
if
y'all
have
any
suggestions
specifically,
why
don't
y'all
get
together
offline
and,
as
I
said,
the
appropriate
time
to
make
a
change
would
be
the
first
meeting
in
january.
B
So
our
next
council
communication
is
regarding
the
formula
business,
district
and
recommendation
of
avondale
business
district
as
a
pilot,
and
this
was
councilmember
jackson
and
I
believe
she
has
a
special
guest
star,
councilman.
F
I'm
sorry
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
This
is
going
to
be
a
fun
one,
so
everybody
just
put
on
your
big
smiles.
This
is
going
to
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
hear
some
really
good
ideas
that
are,
I
think,
meeting
two
of
our
most
prevalent
goals
as
a
council
to
foster
and
nurture
the
small
and
local
businesses
of
city
of
charleston,
as
well
as
make
their
customers
very
happy.
F
So
I'm
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
introducing
to
you,
ms
lauren
gladly,
who
was,
I
think,
a
month
away
from
being
the
active
executive
director
of
low
country
local
first,
you
remember.
We
honored
her
current
boss,
jamie
haley,
the
founder
of
llf,
a
month
or
so
ago.
So
lauren
has
been
the
program
director
for
four
local
local
low
country,
local
first
for
as
long
as
I've
known
her,
and
they
continue
to
be
like
their
own
little
think,
tank
of
finding
tools
or
communities
like
ours
to
promote
and
and
nurture
local
business.
That's
their
whole
mission.
F
They've
done
an
amazing
job
of
it,
so
I've
invited
lauren
to
to
just
present
for
a
couple
of
minutes
tonight.
Concept
that
we
would
like
you
all
to
agree
is
the
of
a
process
that
hopefully
would
end
with
with
adding
an
amendment
to
our
zoning
code.
That
essentially
establish
avondale
is
our
first
pilot
of
a
formula.
AC
Thank
you,
councilmember
jackson,
good
evening,
mayor
and
council.
My
name
is
lauren
gallatly
and
I
am
currently
the
director
of
operations
for
lowcountry
local.
First,
we
are
a
local
nonprofit
that
supports
and
advocates
for
local
independent
businesses.
I
know
you've
all
been
on
this
meeting
for
quite
a
long
time
mayor
if
I
have
your
permission
to
share
five
slides.
AC
Okay,
can
anyone
give
me
a
hand
if
you
can
see
my
screen
now
in
a
presentation?
Great,
thank
you
so
much
so,
as
councilmember
jackson
said,
we
wanted
to
talk
with
you
this
evening
about
a
concept.
That's
been
implemented
in
many
communities
across
the
country,
large
and
small,
and
is
particularly
pertinent
right
now,
when
we
know
that
our
small
business
community
is
absolutely
bleeding
out
amidst
the
pandemic,
we
recently
saw
a
study
from
small
business
majority.
AC
That
said
more
than
one
in
three
businesses
is
is
slated
to
close
within
the
next
two
to
three
months.
If
they
don't
get
significant
help,
we
all
know
we're
in
an
emergency
situation.
So
this
is
a
discussion
of
piloting
a
formula
business
district
in
the
avondale
neighborhood
business
district.
AC
All
right,
so,
the
goal
of
of
this
is
to
maintain
the
unique
character
that
already
very
much
exists
in
the
avondale
neighborhood
commercial
district.
It's
also
about
ensuring
a
very
healthy
economic
diversity
and
balance,
and
also
making
sure
we
have
opportunities
for
new
small
businesses
to
get
off
the
ground.
AC
So
the
why
now
I
mentioned
that
already
a
little
bit.
We
have
actually
many
policies
and
regulations
in
place
that
that
make
life
pretty
difficult
for
local
and
small
businesses.
So
this
is
something
that
actually
helps
to
level
the
playing
field,
which
is
more
important
now
than
ever
amidst
the
pandemic.
AC
We
know
they're
very
vulnerable
small
businesses
because
of
the
situation
with
kovid,
and
this
can
actually
result
in
land
grabs
by
chain
businesses,
which
is
what
we're
seeing
across
the
country.
So
a
formula
business
is
just
another
way
of
saying
in
zoning
terms,
a
chain,
business
and
I'll
talk
to
you
about
the
definition
of
that
a
little
bit
more
we're
also
seeing
formula
business
zoning
as
a
proven,
longer
term
strategy-
and
it
was
noted
in
a
recent
report,
called
26
actions.
AC
It
was
created
by
low
country
local
first,
but
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
visual
representation
of
what
we're
really
talking
about
here
at
the
top
you'll
see
some
of
the
existing
businesses,
local,
independent
small
businesses
in
the
avondale
area
and
then
a
representation
of
the
types
of
chain
or
formula
businesses
that
could
potentially
be
interested
in
an
area
like
that
and
building
sizes
like
that,
so
formula,
business,
zoning,
the
great
thing
about
it-
is
it's
an
extremely
flexible
policy
tool,
so
you
can
base
it
on
the
needs
of
the
communities.
AC
It
would
only
apply
if
this
district
overlay
were
to
be
put
in
place
to
new
businesses,
so
it
would
not
affect
existing
businesses
in
the
area.
It
can
also
be.
You
can
pick
and
choose
what
business
types
you
might
include
within
the
formula
business
district
overlay.
AC
So,
for
example,
if
you
want
to
exclude
banks
or
finance
financial
institutions,
if
you
want
to
exclude
a
full-service
grocery
store,
you
can
do
that
based
on
the
needs
of
the
community,
a
common
definition
for
the
what
qualifies
as
a
formula
business,
and
this
is
very
similar
to
how
the
city
of
bali
beach,
which
we
worked
with
them
in
2018,
to
put
a
formula
business
ordinance
in
place
and
a
common
definition
is
10
or
more
establishments
anywhere
in
the
world
and
has
standardized
features
like
logo
trademark,
uniforms,
decor
and
merchandise.
AC
But
we
really
believe
in
proactive
policy
making
and
putting
something
in
place
to
ensure
that
remains
that
way.
Rather
than
being
reactive-
and
we
know
the
chains
will
come,
that's
what
happens.
We've
seen
it
on
king
street.
It
became
thriving
and
special
with
local
businesses,
and
then
you
know
the
chains
come
in
to
build
on
that
success.
AC
We
also
see
this
as
a
great
area
to
pilot
this
idea
to
potentially
apply
it
to
other
areas
within
the
city,
so
these
have
been
in
place
for
a
very
long
time
back
to
the
early
2000s.
So
this
is
not
a
new
concept.
It's
a
proven
concept.
AC
AC
So
I'm
my
my
next
desired
is
is
just
to
answer
any
questions
that
council
might
have
and
our
hope
as
low
country.
Local
first
is
to
just
start
this
discussion.
We
see
this
as
a
starting
place.
We've
spoken
to
businesses
already
in
the
avondale
area
and
property
owners.
We
know
their
support.
AC
We've
seen
widespread
support
from
residents
in
other
areas
where
this
has
been
implemented.
So
we
would
just
love
to
start
the
conversation
and
move
forward
with
some
outreach
and
potentially
working
with
the
process
of
the
west
ashley.
Revitalization.
Commission,
the
community
development
committee,
wherever
council,
determines
that
this
conversation
is
best
taken
and
then
also
determine
the
scope
of
what
this
might
look
like
for
a
pilot
in
avondale,
so
I'll
leave
it
there
and
stop
stop
sharing.
So
I
can
see
you
all
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
lauren
for
that
presentation,
we'll
open
a
discussion,
councilmember
sheeley,
shade
and
then
appel.
AD
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
lauren
when
you're
talking
about
avondale.
Are
you
talking
about
both
sides
of
the
avondale
area,
both
sides
of
the
side
of
it,
for
example,
avondale
avenue
intersects
with
saint
andrews
boulevard?
That's
where
mex
one
is:
there's
a
dairy
queen!
That's
getting
ready
to
open
across
the
street
from
there
there's
several
salons
florists,
dentists,
attorneys
and
veterans.
AD
AC
AD
AE
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
lauren
and
councilmember
jackson.
Frankly
for
putting
this
item
forward.
You
know
my
district
is
on
the
other
side
of
17
from
avondale,
and
then
you
know
we
we
love
this
area.
I
mean
it
really
is
a
gem
and
it
and
it
shows
the
kind
of
organic
creative
development
processes
that
can
happen
over
time
and
I'll
just
mention,
because
I
can't
help
myself
that
all
of
what
you
see
in
avondale
predates
zoning.
AE
This
is
the
kind
of
development
that
you
saw
when,
when
the
market
was
allowed
to
kind
of
innovate
and
come
up
with,
you
know
intriguing
and
exciting
ways
of
delivering
what
the
community
wanted.
This
was
an
area
that
facilitated
and
served
the
original
burns
downs
community
where
I
live
that
I
represent,
that
was
a
world
war
ii.
You
know
era,
development,
the
predated
zoning,
and
so
I
just
want
to
applaud
this
effort.
AE
This
is
one
of
many
small
business
geared
items
that
we
are
working
on
right
now.
The
other
item
that
we're
collaborating
with
low
country
local
first
on
right
now
is
this
minimum
parking
requirement
issue.
You
may
have
heard
about
from
me
over
over
the
meetings
and
hope
to
get
an
update
on
that
when
we
get
to
cd
committee,
but
I
just
want
to
stress
to
everybody:
that's
listening.
You
know
this
is
a
concept.
That's
in
its
early
stages,
we
envision
substantial
community
outreach.
AE
Lauren
mentioned
the
west
ashley
revitalization
commission.
That
is
certainly
somewhere.
We
want
to
take
this.
We
also
want
to
involve
the
ashley
river
bridge
district,
which
is
a
you
know,
sort
of
confederation
of
a
lot
of
the
different
neighborhood
associations
in
my
district
and
elsewhere,
and
also
we
ca
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
council
member
saccharin,
I
mean
you
know:
jason
is
not
just
holding
it
down
on
the
peninsula.
AE
If
you
can
believe
it,
jason
sacran
has
got
the
other
side
of
avondale
and
you
know
if,
if,
if
you
throw
a
football
just
right,
you
can
land
on
council
member
shades
district
as
well
in
here.
So
there's
a
lot
of
you
know:
council
members,
with
sort
of
skin
in
the
game
here.
AE
Avondale
is
an
extremely
good
place
and
as
long
as
we
can
keep
the
roost
to
gamecock
bar
despite
a
two
and
six
season
and
firing
a
coach
midway
through
the
season,
we'll
be
in
we'll
be
in
good
shape,
and
I
know
councilman,
waring
and
councilman
shade
have
got
my
back
on
that,
so
without
further
ado,
just
oh
and
castle
member
sheila.
How
can
I
forget,
of
course,
let's
all
keep
the
faith
guys
these
are
tough
times,
but
in
all
seriousness,
great
work
and
a
great
beginning
of
this
exciting
conversation.
AE
I
look
forward
to
being
a
participant
in
the
coming
days.
M
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
may
sound
a
little
bit
of
a
replay
of
what
councilman
rappell
has
just
mentioned,
but
the
avondale
area
is
a
very
unique
geographical
area.
M
A
good
portion
of
it
is
not
within
the
city
limits,
it's
not
part
of
the
incorporation
of
the
city,
but
it
does
include
parts
of
my
district
parts
of
council,
member
waring,
castle
parks
and
councilmember
pal
and
saccharin,
so
it
is.
It
is
diverse
in
in
many
ways-
and
I
mentioned
to
councilmember,
pale
and
jackson-
that
I
think
really
the
discussion
on
this
should
fit
squarely
within
the
west
asheville
remodelization
commission,
because
the
plan
was
actually
study
would
address
some
of
the
issues
and
concerns
that
they
have
they
have
on
there.
M
You've
got
councilman
warren
and
councilmember
brady,
and
I
on
that
committee
on
that
commission,
along
with
courts
with
the
mayor
and
other
citizens
who
would
have
a
vested
interest,
and
we
would
touch
on
all
the
stakeholders
to
discuss
this.
This
is
worthy
of
merit
to
discuss
all
of
these
issues
that
lauren
and
councilwoman
jackson
have
brought
up.
So
I
would
just
go
ahead
and
suggest
that
we
send
this
to
the
put
it
on
our
next
agenda
for
the
january
west,
asheville
revitalization,
commission
meeting.
J
Thank
you
mayor
and
marie
you
can
get
your
your
clock
out.
Your
your
stop.
Watch
out.
I've
got
30
seconds
here,
I'll
get
it
done
in
30
seconds,
go
lauren.
Just
thank
you
I
just
want.
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
say
thanks
for
for
everything
you
all
have
done
through
kobit,
with
all
the
resources
you've
all
been
pumping
out
around
sba
disaster.
I
think
it's
been
tremendously
helpful
along
with
obviously
meg
and
our
and
our
in
our
city
office.
J
So
thank
you
for
for
all
that
and
then
the
last
two
things
are.
You
know
this
is
really
not.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
folks
are
aware:
it's
not
an
anti-business
approach.
This
is
really.
The
goal
of
this
is,
is
to
protect
and
preserve
kind
of,
like
the
local,
unique
flavor
and
and
lauren
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
you
know
these
are
flexible
and
they
can
change
and-
and
you
can
meld
them
to
to
different
areas.
So
you
know
if
this
pilot
does
work.
J
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
see
this
potentially
in
other
areas
and
it
might
not
look
the
same
as
avondale's,
but
I
think
you've
got
some
some
already
some
interest
from
local
business
owners,
which
is
great,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
you
know
I'm
on
record
as
supporting
it,
and
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
first
step
and
in
into
councilman
shades
point
running.
The
suit
of
revitalization
is
a
great
step.
So
thank
you.
L
Seeking
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Just
very
briefly
long
before
avidale
was
carved
up
into
three
districts.
It
was
in
my
district
and
it's
a
really
great
place,
and
one
of
the
reasons
it's
such
a
great
place
is
because
before
we
got
really
sophisticated
and
thought
about
what's
happening
over
there,
we
had
some
local
business
people
who
really
were
focused
on
local
and
that's
michael
raven
and
ed
cronsberg.
L
So
whatever
happens
over
there,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
no
matter
what
committee
or
commission
this
goes
through,
that
we
keep
them
very
closely
aligned
in
what's
happening
because
they
are
really
the
founders
of
what
is
now
a
very
successful
avondale
they're
visionaries,
and
I
think
that
keeping
them
close,
keeping
their
ideas
out
there
and
because
they
either
own
or
represent
the
owners
of
the
biggest
plots
and
sections
of
land
out.
L
There
is
very
important,
and
I
have
no
idea
whether
you
all
have
been
consulting
with
them
along
the
way,
but
particularly
ed,
who's,
very
hands-on
and
active.
I
would.
I
would
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
he's
involved
in
every
step
of
the
way
before
it
comes
to
council.
We
sort
of
get
his
blessing
on
all
of
us.
B
F
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
say
the
same
thing.
Mr
cronsberg
was
actually
the
first
person
outside
of
our
little
talking
group
with
lauren
and
and
councilmember
appel
and
councilmember
safran
that
we
went
to
and
it
was
serendipity.
I
ran
into
him
at
the
open
house
for
the
grace
homes,
so
I
was
able
to
just
speak
with
him
in
person
about
this
and
he
said
sign
me
up.
F
You
know
I
had
a
two-minute
or
30-second
little
explanation,
so
I
think
I
think
we
really
do
have
the
support
of
people
like
you
say
who
have
been
the
the
prime
movers
and
shakers
of
the
way
that
avondale
has
stayed
the
same
but
become
just
even
more
popular
over
the
years,
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
correct
the
record
with
councilmember
sheila.
F
I
would
love
to
see
61
included
in
this,
but
it's
not
a
dairy
queen
across
her
next
one,
it's
going
to
be
the
home
of
turbo
cone,
which
will
be
a
one
and
only
soft-serve
ice
cream
spot
that
has
been
snake
bit
to
open
during
covert,
but
it's
coming
so
turbo
cone
would
fit
the
formula
for
exactly
what
little
country
local
first
is
trying
to
do
here.
Thanks.
B
So
lauren,
if
I
may
kind
of
a
comment
and
kind
of
a
question
too-
and
I
think
I
know
the
answer
but
and
and
maybe
is
it
more
appropriate
that
that
it
would
be
called
the
non-formula
business
district
because
kind
of
you're,
excluding
the
the
formula
businesses
right.
B
Yeah
so,
but
but
I
do
have
a
question,
I
know
each
district
maybe
can
have
its
own
characteristics,
but
but
I
would
be
cautious
about
being
able
to
keep
some
flexibility.
For
example,
I
mean
there
are
franchise
operators
who
are
local
citizens
who
operate
a
franchise
business.
They
might
have
some
trademark.
B
You
know
that's
a
national
brand,
but
they're
they're
running
the
business,
it's
their
skin
in
the
game
and
and
I'd
hate
to
be
so
restrictive
that
we
we,
you
know,
keep
local
entrepreneurs
who
choose
to
pursue
a
franchise
business
and
and
where
do
you
draw
a
line
on
trades
mark,
I
mean
a
good
an
example.
Councilmember
sheila
might
be
you.
I
mean
you're
you're,
an
independent
agent,
but
your
state
farm
right.
So
that's
a
national
brand
and
I
know
you're,
probably
an
independent
operator
and
all
like
that.
B
L
B
B
So
so
we
look
forward
to
continuing
the
discussion
as
you
go
to
the
work
and
work
with
our
planning
department
and
and
hopefully
also
address
the
issue
of
including
the
county
since,
since
this
is
a
doughnut
hole
area
where
both
city
and
county
are
it'd,
be
kind
of
interesting
to
see
how
they
would
feel
about
partnering
with
us.
Even
on
a
small
district
like
this.
S
I
just
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
second
the
point
you
brought
because
even
even
avondale,
you
know
there
was
time
when
they
used
to
have
a
little
subway
sandwich
shop
over
there
and
who
could
forget
the
krispy
kreme
I
mean
those
were
franchises
and
a
little
bit
down
block
or
two
down
the
way.
If
you
look
at
san
andreas
shopping
center,
many
of
us
remember
when
that
shopping
center
was
dead.
S
B
C
Yes,
community
development
committee
met
on
november
12th
at
4
30,
and
we
had
a
couple
of
items
under
oat
two
items
out
of
the
old
business,
which
is
the
first
one,
was
voted
and
approved
the
first
bit.
This
was
a1,
was
approved
and
that
was
approved
by
building
abandoned
building
chip,
mcqueen
explained
to
us
and
then
and
that
one
was
approved
under
i2
number,
one,
eight
i2
on
supporting
minimum
parking
requirements.
C
We
got
a
briefing
from
our
own
council
member
talking
about
that
one
particular
one,
but
it's
an
overview
by
apparel.
He
gave
us
an
overview
on
the
parking
requirements
for
talking
with
the
parking
and
so
what
we
did
with
that.
We
just
deferred
that
one
they'll
be
coming
back
to
the
cd
committee,
with
additional
information
and
on
the
new
business
we
had
two
items
under
the
new
businesses.
One
was
the
assistant
with
corporate
19
that
was
approved
also
and
that
money
was
to
assist
family
families.
C
That
was
had
problems,
doing
the
cover
19
and
to
assist
homeless
individuals.
Who
would
face
evictions
and
stuff
like
that,
so
that
that
also
was
approved?
C
And
the
last
item
was
the
urban
growth
boundary
and
that
was
received
information
only,
but
we
also
requested
that
the
staff
and
our
attorney
would
get
with
the
johns
island
task
force
and
other
entities
involved
and
get
additional
information
and
they
would
be
bringing
that
back
to
the
city
committee
and
then
we'll
take
a
look
at
the
doing
that
time.
So
I'm
actually
approval
for
the
committee
report.
B
All
right,
we
have
a
approval
of
the
committee
report,
which,
which
included
two
specific
items
for
approval.
A
little
I
and
b
a
little
I,
which
we
approved
at
ways
and
means
tonight
already.
AE
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
chairman
mitchell.
For
that
overview,
and
and
yes,
we
had
a
very
in-depth
lively
discussion
about
my
proposal
to
eliminate
minimum
parking
requirements
along
certain
areas
along
king
street
in
our
commercial
corridor
and
staff
did
a
very
good
job
of
throwing
out
a
proposal
that
would
essentially
link
the
parking
exception
to
the
vicinity
of
parking
garages
and
other
parking
infrastructure,
whether
public
or
private,
and
I
think
that
does
a
very
good
job
of
mitigating
some
of
the
potential
concerns
from
surrounding
neighborhoods.
AE
But,
let's
be
very
clear
here:
staff
has
done
a
very
exhaustive
analysis
of
the
region.
Cities
similar
to
ours
and
the
vast
majority
of
cities
have
gotten
rid
of
these
requirements.
Long
time
ago,
the
city
of
columbia
for
crying
out
loud
eliminated
these
requirements.
50
years
ago
we
are
50
years
behind
the
city
of
columbia.
On
this
issue,
city
of
north
charleston,
just
up
the
road
has,
has
made
progress
on
this
issue.
AE
We
just
got
finished
with
a
discussion
about
small
businesses,
and
you
know
the
formula
business
approach
is
certainly
a
valid
way
of
addressing
this
issue.
But
right
now
there
are
structural
inequities
in
our
system
that
make
it
expensive
and
difficult
for
small
businesses
to
open
right
now.
If
you
want
to
fill
one
of
these
vacancies
on
king
street
and
you're
a
small
business,
you
got
to
come
up
with
the
parking
and
that
can
cost
big
big
bucks.
Yeti
doesn't
have
a
problem
with
big
big
bucks.
AE
You
know,
william
sonoma
doesn't
have
a
problem
with
that,
but
small,
mom
and
pops
small
businesses,
small
restaurants.
This
is
the
best
way
we
can
bring
the
quickest
relief
to
our
struggling
commercial
corridors
to
help
them
open
and-
and
while
I
appreciate
you,
know
the
comments
about
bringing
it
back
to
cd
committee-
we've
been
there
twice,
I
think
we
need
to
have
staff
continue
with
the
work
on
preparing
a
proposed
ordinance
and
run
this
through
the
normal
procedure
for
zoning
ordinances.
I
mean
that
this.
AE
This
would
be
a
change
to
our
zoning
ordinance
and
as
required
by
state
law.
It
has
to
go
through
the
planning
commission
now.
Certainly,
we
can
keep
the
cd
committee
updated
along
the
way,
but
I
really
want
to
avoid
y'all
just
getting
bogged
down
in
committee
and
you
know
months
go
into
months
and
we
still
don't
move
forward
on
this.
AE
This
is
something
that
that
we
can
do
in
the
short
term
to
help
small
businesses
and
help
remove
some
of
those
barriers,
very
expensive
barriers
to
small
businesses
and
guys
this
is
real,
real,
real
low-hanging
fruit.
You
know
some
of
the
other
stuff
we've
been
talking
about
is
frankly
kind
of
exotic
and
innovative
and
really
will
take
some
study
and
some
analysis.
AE
This
is
simple,
simple,
stuff
and
city
of
charleston,
frankly,
is
behind
the
times
on
this
in
a
big
big
way,
and
it
is
currently
choking
off
small
businesses
and
not
just
small
businesses
but
housing
second
and
third
floors
along
king
street.
It
is
too
expensive
for
these
things
to
be
turned
over
and
we
we've
got
to
get
this
thing
moving
through
the
process
staff's
working
hard
on
it.
Let's
get
at
the
planning
commission,
let's
keep
cd
committee
updated
along
the
way,
but
guys
we
got
to
act
on
this.
J
Thank
you
mayor
just
to
to
to
add
to
councilman
appel's
urgency
with
this.
I
do
agree
just
like
the
the
formula
business
plan.
J
The
what
we
reviewed
was
a
targeted
kind
of
approach
and
a
pilot
for
this,
so
I
think
there's
room
for
for
adjustments
that
can
be
made
in
building
that
flexibility
in,
but
I
would
strongly
encourage
and
hope
that
fellow
council
members
will
get
try
to
push
this
through
if
we
have
bringing
it
back
to
cd
committee
after
after
that,
to
me
is
is,
is
not
the
best
use
of
the
staff
time
they've
done
their
work.
I
think
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
take
the
next
step.
U
Yeah,
you
know,
I
understand
you
know
that
we
want
to
get
this
done
as
soon
as
possible,
but
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
us
to
start
circumventing
our
procedures.
U
U
I
just
don't
think
skipping
steps
is
the
way
to
go
in
this
regard,
because
then
we'll
be
starting
a
precedent
and
we'll
be
back
where
we've
been
before
everything
skipping
standing
committees
and
going
directly
to
to
the
committee
of
the
of
whole.
So
I
I
think
that
it
should
come
back
to
this
to
to
the
cd
committee
so
that
we
can
have
a
good
look
at
the
proposed
ordinance.
U
M
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
just
want
to
lend
my
support
to
this
momentum
that
councilmember
appel
has
has
generated,
and
I
hear
councilman
gregory's
warning
on
this.
What
was
interesting
about
the
discussion
that
I
participated
in
on
this
issue
was
that
two
two
points
that
came
up
number
one:
there
was
a
never
any
rhyme
or
reason
why
they
had
this
restriction
on
number
of
cars
and
parking
for
these
businesses.
It
was
just
done
in
a
way
to
kind
of
control,
traffic
and
trying
to
control
parking
availability.
M
The
second
point
of
all
this
is
that
when
you
go
up
and
down
king
street-
and
you
know
the
history
of
charleston,
it
was
a
walking
city,
so
these
buildings
were
not
constructed
to
accommodate
the
parking
requirements,
and
so
it's
like
taking
a
a
square
peg
and
a
round
whole
mentality,
and
it
created,
and
we've
used
this
term
a
lot
on
councilman's
unintended
consequences.
M
So
that's
exactly
what
would
happen
with
this,
so
removing
these
restrictions
as
expeditiously
as
possible
is
going
to
have
a
huge
impact
on
addressing
the
needs
of
king
street
and
our
corridor
and
as
councilmember
brought
up
it's
not
just
commercial.
It's
also
going
to
have
a
positive
and
huge
impact
on
residential
component
as
as
well,
so
I
don't
want
to
skip
steps.
Councilman
gregory.
C
C
I
think
a
lot
of
the
council
members
here
tonight
that
right
now
was
not
here
when
we
went
through
these
changes
and
things
were
skipping
skipping
skipping
and
we
came
back
to
us
and
we
had
to
go
back
through
it
all
over
again,
and
my
thing
is
I
was
I
mentioned
even
with
the
parking,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
changes
that's
being
taken
place,
but
I
always
say
we
got
to
remember
the
community
once
businesses
fail,
whatever
happens.
Communities
still
have
to
be
here
to
take
over
until
such
time
as
things
change.
C
We
got
to
also
remember
also
when
all
this
was
happening
like
king
street
walls
with
businesses
along
king
street
times
have
changed,
so
the
businesses
have
left,
but
was
there
on
king
street
from
canon
street
all
the
way
up,
which
I
used
to
go
to
like
shades,
depart,
shade,
store
and
and
mara
sokol,
and
all
these
places
they're
gone
they're
gone
because
and
the
traffic
was
not
the
way
it
was
now.
C
So
that's
why,
during
that
time,
parking
was
fine,
because
none
is
different.
Parking
is
cars
are
all
over
the
place.
We
have
so
many
people
that
move
in
here
and
build
businesses
here
we
didn't
have
an
entertainment
district
at
one
time,
so
it
has
changed,
but
we
got
to
make
sure
that
we
do
not
overrun
the
community
with
anything
at
all.
I'm
very,
very
adamant
about
communities
very
much,
because
communities
have
to
be
viable
in
case.
Anything
should
ever
happen.
C
The
community
communities,
the
money
gonna
still
be
here,
but
the
people
paying
their
taxes
and
whatever
the
case
would
be
to
keep
the
city
operating
always
so
with
the
parking
problems.
I
know
it's
bad
look
at
what's
happening
on
lee
street
american
street
people.
There
came
and
parked
in
their
own
places.
They
came
in
park
where
they
live
now
right
now,
when
you
have
a
200
cars,
that's
on
in
that
area.
At
one
time
you
didn't
have
any
at
all.
So
now
we
have
problems
with
that.
C
So
he's
got
to
be
very
careful
and
make
sure
it's
going
to
be
done
right
and
properly.
I
know
we
need
to
upgrade
king
street
to
make
sure
king
street
is
viable
again,
so
people
can
have
these
places
and
get
rid
of
parking,
but
greenville
columbia.
They
have
a
certain
area.
You
look
at
it.
It's
totally
different
from
the
way
we
have
on
king
street
in
the
middle
of
it
they
can
do
the
parking,
not
parallel
parking,
but
pulling
parking
is
totally
different.
C
B
All
right,
well,
councilmember
wary.
S
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Listen,
I
understand
councilman
appel,
you
know
wanting
to
fast
track
this
and
I
agree
with
wanting
to
fast
track
this,
but
circumventing
the
the
committee
process.
We
can
do
that
dual
approach.
We
discussed
this
in
the
community
development
meeting.
Q
S
You
know
that
process
skipping
committees
creates
dissension
on
council.
It's
done
that
in
the
past
and
if
we
go
back
to
that
it'll,
be,
I
think,
it'll
do
it
in
the
future.
The
mayor's
done
a
good
job,
curtailing
that
and
running
it
through
committees.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
the
whole
aspect
of
having
the
infrastructure
in
place
and
curtailing
it
to
areas
where
parking
garages,
public
all
private,
came
out
of
the
discussion
in
the
community
development
meeting
that
didn't
come
from
staff.
S
The
presentation
showed
it
and
then,
through
conversations
we,
I
think,
evolved
to
the
point
to
where,
where
the
infrastructure
in
place
this
can
be
utilized
versus
going
beyond
areas
that
would
be
allowed
without
that
infrastructure
being
in
place.
The
staff
has
to
prepare
the
information
to
go
forward
to
city
council.
I
mean
to
the
planning
commission:
all
they
gotta
do
is
send
a
copy
of
that
to
community
development.
S
You
know
and
we
discuss
it
simultaneously,
so
I
think
I
don't
think
it
will
slow
it
up.
If
you
would
allow,
we
can
have
that
dual
track.
B
Parallel
track,
correct
all
right,
all
right,
so,
what's
on
the
floor
is
approved.
The
committee
report,
which
really
just
approves
a
a
little
I
and
b
little
I
will
be
coming
back
with
a
specific
ordinance
write-ups
on
the
parking
requirements
and
further
action
on
the
urban
growth
boundary
correct
time
in
favor
any
further
discussion,
all
in
paper,
please
say:
aye,
aye
aye
any
opposed.
You
guys
have
it
all
right.
Next
up
is
council
member
shade
committee
on
public
safety.
M
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
members
of
council.
Madam
clark,
the
public
safety
committee
met
yesterday.
We
received
a
presentation
from
tracy
mckee
as
to
the
proposed
open
data
policy.
The
purpose
of
this
policy
is
multi-facet.
Y'all
should
have
gotten
a
copy
of
that
one
is
to
provide
transparency
to
our
public
as
to
city
records.
Public
records
is
what
they
are
and
make
those
things
records
more
accessible
and
available
to
the
public
in
a
more
efficient
manner.
M
However,
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
that
needs
to
be
contained
in
that
she's
met
with
department
heads
and
we
need
to
fine-tune
some
of
this
particularly
sensitive
materials
regarding
public
records,
particularly
police
investigation
reports
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
we
would
just
receive
that
from
information
purposes,
only
we'll
get
more
update
from
tracy.
I
just
think
it
gets
more
more
fine-tuned.
M
We
went
into
executive
session
to
get
an
update
on
fire
stations.
Number
11
and
14.
number
11,
of
course,
is
the
fire
station
next
to
the
sofa
superstore
and
we
disagreed.
No
action
was
taken
on
that
report.
We've
agreed
for
a
update
on
that
at
our
december
before
our
december
14th
committee
meeting.
M
If
we
need
to
have
further
discussion
about
where
we
stand
with
that,
we
may
need
to
go
into
executive
session.
We
can
do
that
at
the
end
of
this
council
meeting.
B
Well,
I
would
say
I
think
your
committee
was
expecting
another
report
back
in
a
couple
of
weeks
after
staff
followed
up
on
a
few
items.
We've
discussed.
So
let's
wait
until
we
get
that
next
report
from
staff
and
see
how
those
things
work
out.
If
that's,
okay,.
M
Yeah
man,
without
you
absolutely
right,
and
we
decided
to
just
get
an
update
with
some
specific
news
as
to
where
they
stand
with
the
construction.
At
our
december
14th
meeting
great
terrific.
B
So
that's
that's
the
information.
We
appreciate
your
report,
any
other
questions
for
for
councilmember,
shade
on
those
items
all
right.
Next
up
is
our
committee
on
public
works
council,
member
waring.
S
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
The
two
acceptance
and
dedications
a1
and
2
pass
unanimously,
and
I
so
move
the
whole
council.
Okay,.
S
Under
item
b,
all
items
are
be
one
through
six,
I'm
sorry
through
eight
passing
through
seven.
I'm
sorry
pass
unanimously
and
I'll
move
this
passage
and
then
I'd
like
mr
fountain
to
touch
basis
on
what
I
councilman
seeking
and
I
alluded
to
doing
ways
and
means
about
the
technology
on
those
arches
and
utilizing
the
stormwater
drainage.
Underneath
the
city.
R
B
R
Thank
you
councilman,
so
you
go
vacation.
R
Bare
feet
actually
constantly
the
the
brick
arch
system
is,
is
a
very
interesting,
unique
part
of
the
kind
of
the
charleston
peninsula
and
now
drainage.
Once
once
sewer,
it
was
installed
in
the
series
of
archways
installed
in
the
1850s
during
the
yellow
fever
epidemic,
there's
actually
about
10
miles
of
brick
arches,
underneath
the
downtown
streets,
they're
generally
five
feet
tall
and
three
feet
wide,
which
was
kind
of
the
minimum
size
considered
to
be
hand
cleanable
at
the
time
by
those
by
the
by
the
workers,
basically
we've.
R
Obviously,
as
a
city,
we've
separated
our
sewer
system
out
from
our
storm
water
system
with
with
charleston
water
systems.
These
arches
as
a
result
fell
into
pretty
severe
disrepair
and
typically
they
come
to
council
as
emergency
repair
items
when
streets
collapse
or
sinkholes
open
up,
and
we
spend
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
trying
to
stabilize
the
street
and
repair
the
arch
and
basically
prevent
anything
from
being
a
safety
hazard.
R
What
mr
newman's
kind
of
worked
on
these
repairs
over
the
last
decade,
or
so
for
the
city
and
he's
really
realized
that
the
arches
are
generally
in
pretty
outstanding
condition.
The
brickwork
tends
to
be
in
great
conditions,
the
mortar
that
tends
to
fail
and
then
any
any
damage
from
utility
penetrations
over
the
last
150
years,
kind
of
cause
as
anyone's
familiar
with
engineering.
If
you
have
an
arch,
an
arch
is
incredibly
strong
until
you
move
one
piece
out
of
the
arch
and
then
it
collapses.
R
What
we've
looked
at,
though,
is
instead
of
these
being
just
a
liability
since
they're
in
such
generally
good
condition,
they're,
actually
a
kind
of
an
invaluable
asset
to
the
city,
and
that
this
is
basically
10
miles
of
box
culvert
that
exists
under
the
city
that
is
currently
not
really
used
for
anything.
It's
mostly
silted
in
or
have
other
issues
that
prevent
water
flow.
So
we've
basically
been
working
to,
instead
of
kind
of
trying
to
just
patch
the
repair
area,
to
actually
rehabilitate
the
arch
to
move
drainage
through
it
again,
and
these
items
these
five.
R
What
we
typically
call
like
an
indefinite
delivery
contract
or
a
task
order
contract
are
basically
where
we've
set
unit
prices
for
a
competitive
bid
for
work
on
the
arches
and
then
we're
going
to
go
through
with
basically
staff
working
as
an
engineering
team
and
these
on-call
contractors
working
almost
as
a
design,
build
style
contract
to
be
able
to
do
a
pilot
project
to
rehabilitate
specifically
the
lime
house,
brick
arch,
which
is
a
project
that
was
funded
in
the
out
of
the
2012
stormwater
bond
with
the
drainage
fund.
R
So
we
have
about
1.8
million
dollars
set
aside
through
that
funding
allocation.
To
restore
this
arch
see
the
improvements
we
can
get
basically
create
that
template
and
then
try
to
leverage
with
scdot
and
charleston
water
systems,
who
are
kind
of
our
two
major
partner
entities
where
the
arches
lie
to
look
at
opportunities
to
fund
and
rehabilitate
the
remainder
of
the
arches,
which
would
allow
us
to
greatly
dramatically
improve
drainage
in
about
a
third
of
the
peninsula,
with
these
10
miles
of
drainage
structure.
S
Thank
you,
mr
fountain,
for
that
explanation
and
appreciate
you
going
above
and
beyond
and
being
on
this
meeting.
For
that.
Mr
mayor,
I
moved
fault
with
the
question
I
put
forth,
move
for
approval
on
all
items
considered.
F
E
B
U
Yeah,
mr
moore,
the
I
recommend
approval
as
amended.
M
B
L
A
U
B
Right
so
we're
not
changing
what
happened,
we're
just
affirming
what
happened,
I
guess
you'd
say
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye.
S
B
H
B
Opposed
the
eyes
have
it:
we
have
no
bills
up
for
our
first
reading.
Our
next
regular
meeting
is
going
to
be
next
tuesday,
we're
going
to
take
a
couple
days
off
for
thanksgiving
and
come
right
back
and
have
council
meeting
again
next
tuesday,
and
we
will
continue
our
deliberations
on
the
budget.
I
wish
everyone
a
blessed
thanksgiving,
have
a
little
time
off
with
your
families
and
and
enjoy
the
long
weekend.
See
you
all
next
week,
happy.