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City of Charleston Council Meeting - July 16, 2019
A
Let
us
pray
our
definitely
father.
We
thank
you
for
the
many
blessings
you've
given
each
of
us
and
for
the
blessings
you've
bestowed
upon
the
city
of
Charleston.
We
thank
you
for
the
freedoms
we
share
and
for
the
brave
men
and
women
who
put
their
lives
on
the
line
to
protect
our
community
and
our
nation
every
day,
Lord.
We
thank
you
for
the
talents
of
all
of
our
city
staff
and
we're
thankful
for
this
cross
town
church
and
for
the
many
churches,
synagogues
and
temples
in
our
city
Lord.
A
We
pray
that
you'll
lead
us
tonight
that
you'll
give
us
a
sense
for
the
true
needs
of
the
people
of
Charleston.
While
we
know
we
will
not
all
agree
on
every
item,
you
know
what's
right
and
we
ask
that
you
give
us
wisdom,
patience
and
courage.
Give
us
an
assurance
of
what
we
do.
Will
please
you
and
allow
your
will
to
be
done.
We
ask
for
your
continued
blessings
and
protections
over
the
people
of
Charleston.
A
B
Last
week,
I
was
able
to
spend
some
time
with
the
mayor
of
Freetown
Sierra
Leone
mayor
Yvonne,
Aki
Sawyer,
a
remarkable
woman
I
must
share
with
you
a
truly
remarkable
woman,
and
we
signed
a
Sister
Cities
partnership
contingent
on
council
approval
this
evening,
acknowledging
the
many
connections
between
our
two
cities.
This
idea
for
the
partnership
actually
came
about
when
Michael
Moore
traveled
to
Sierra
Leone
earlier
this
year,
along
with
some
other
representatives
of
the
African
American
Museum
and
met
with
local
officials
there
to
discuss
ways
that
our
cities
might
collaborate
and
further
develop
our
relationship.
B
So
during
this
trip
they
visited
the
remains
of
this
British
slave
fort
on
buntz
Island,
which
was
the
primary
spot
where
enslaved
Africans
boarded
slave
ships
to
head
to
Charleston,
South,
Carolina
and
other
points
in
North
America.
While
mayor
Aki
Soria
was
here
in
Charleston,
she
was
able
to
visit
the
future
site
of
the
museum
at
Gaston's,
Wharf
and
I
got
to
tell
you
that
her
experience
was
a
very
powerful
one.
B
Many
of
you
may
not
know
some
of
you
may
that
Freetown
Sierra
Leone
was
founded
by
enslaved
Africans,
who
returned
to
Africa
after
the
Revolutionary
War,
mostly
from
nova
scotia.
They
had
gone
there
with
the
British
after
the
Revolutionary,
War
and
and
had
been
freed,
and
she
was
a
descendant
of
those
Nova,
Scotian
Africans,
and
so
the
the
experience
of
her
standing
at
Gadsden,
Wharf
and
looking
across
the
Atlantic
to
her
home,
knowing
that
her
ancestors
had
come
to
that
spot
and
then
go
on
to
Nova,
Scotia
and
then
back
to
Africa
to
settle
Freetown.
B
C
C
As
mentioned,
the
people
who
founded
their
capital
of
Freetown,
were
actually
Charlestonians.
They
were
enslaved,
Africans
from
Charleston
who
were
taken
to
Nova
Scotia
by
the
British
and
then
founded
their
City.
The
oldest
university
in
at
least
sub-saharan
Africa
is
a
university
called
for
a
bay
College
for
a
bay
University
in
Freetown
and
was
founded
in
1827.
Its
first
president
was
a
Charlestonians.
A
gentleman
who
was
one
of
the
first
to
graduate
from
college
in
America
here,
went
to
Sierra,
Leone
and
founded
that,
of
course,
the
rice
culture.
C
Much
of
the
rice
culture
came
from
that
region.
There
are
just
so
many
connections,
the
connection
between
Bunce
Island
and
the
former
Gadsden
swarf,
so
it
was
an
honor
both
to
visit
I
spend
so
many
of
my
days
on
the
land
at
Gatson
swarf,
looking
out
beyond
fort
sumter
over
the
horizon,
to
have
had
an
opportunity
with
my
colleagues
to
actually
stand
on
the
site
on
the
jetty
where
so
many
left
from
was
powerful.
And
that's
what
mayor
aki
sawyer
experienced.
C
B
I
have
a
resolution
establishing
our
relationship
and
the,
whereas
is
have
basically
been
covered
already
so
I'll.
Give
you
now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
by
the
mayor
and
city
council
of
city
of
Charleston
as
follows
that
this
council,
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
Charleston,
does
hereby
extend
an
invitation
to
the
government
and
the
people
of
Freetown
Sierra
Leone
to
participate
with
Charleston
as
its
sister
city
for
the
purpose
of
creating
greater
mutual
understanding
between
the
peoples
of
our
two
great
cities
and
countries
section
2.
B
The
mayor
is
hereby
authorized
to
act
as
official
representative
of
Charleston
to
carry
out
this
program
and
is
authorized
to
execute
a
Memorandum
of
Understanding,
declaring
the
relationship
between
the
respective
cities
and
section
3.
That
copies
of
the
resolution
will
be
sent
to
the
appropriate
places.
Can
I
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
this
resolution,
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
We
now
have
a
new
sister
city
and
I
know.
B
So
next
so
Michael
thanks
for
bringing
us
together
with
Freetown
next.
As
mayor
Riley
noted
Michael
as
his
leaving
town
soon
you'll
be
back
often
I
know
to
visit,
but
his
his
tenure
with
with
the
museum
is
coming
to
a
close.
As
he
returns
to
the
private
sector
and
I
know
much
discussion
will
continue
about
what
goes
in
the
box,
but
take
to
get
to
this
point
where
the
box
will
be
under
construction.
B
This
is
a
great,
really
cool
part
of
the
story
about
Michael,
in
addition
to
his
own
talents,
he's
the
great-great-grandson
of
Robert
smalls,
an
enslaved
African,
who
earned
his
freedom
in
1862
by
overtaking
a
Confederate
vessel
in
Charleston,
Harbor
sailing
the
vessel
past
five
Confederate
forts
and
out
into
the
Atlantic
Ocean,
and
before
turning
the
vessel
over
to
Union
forces,
he
became
a
captain
in
the
Union
Army
and
post-civil
war
was
elected
to
both
the
houses
of
South
Carolina
legislature
and
the
United
States
House
of
Representatives.
That
was
his
great-great-grandfather.
B
But
in
February
of
2016.
After
serving
on
the
museum
board,
Michael
Moore
was
named
the
museums
president
and
chief
executive
officer
as
president
and
CEO
of
the
museum.
He
has
worked
tirelessly
to
secure
the
future
of
this
institution
in
Charleston
and
helped
lead
a
remarkable
effort
to
raise
the
significant
funds
needed
to
proceed
with
the
building's
construction,
whereas
Michael
Moore's,
valuable,
set
of
skills
and
experiences
have
informed
both
the
design
and
construction
of
the
museum,
which
will
highlight
the
largely
untold
experiences
and
contributions
of
African
and
Americans
of
African
descent.
B
Michael
Moore
possesses
a
true
sense
of
service,
passion
and
energy
that
has
enriched
the
experiences
of
those
fortunate
enough
to
know
and
work
with
him,
and
that
will
make
the
museum
all
the
more
powerful
and
impactful
for
those
who
visit
so,
whereas
I
recognize
Michael
Moore
and
thank
him
for
its
tremendous
contributions
to
the
International
African
American
Museum
and
to
the
city
of
Charleston
and
its
citizens.
Therefore,
I
John
J,
Declan
burg,
mayor
of
the
city
of
Charleston,
hereby
proclaim
this
day
Michael
as
michael
boulware
more
day
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
C
Well,
thank
you.
This
is
such
an
unexpected
and
great
honor.
It's
been
a
pleasure.
I
do
have
to
correct
the
record
just
a
little
bit.
My
hope
and
intention
is
to
stay
in
the
community
and
to
continue
to
figuring
out
ways
to
contribute
to
a
wide
variety
of
causes
and
and
concerns
that
will
move
things
forward.
So
it's
it's
an
honor
to
have
been
here.
This
is
a
wonderful
honor
that
I'm
very
grateful
for,
and
I
look
forward
to,
seeing
you
and
working
with
you
all
in
the
future.
B
Okay,
finally,
one
more
recognition
if
I
may,
and
that
is
to
recognize
a
group
of
young
leaders,
young
men
and
women,
who
are
the
mayoral
fellows
of
the
city
of
Charleston
this
summer,
I'd
like
to
invite
them
to
come
up
and
join
me
as
I
make
these
remarks.
Please
come
and
stand
up
here
with
me.
You
folks,
through
the
generosity
of
the
Ackermann
foundation,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
mr.
B
Gerry
cane
art
and
his
wife
Cheryl
to
also
come
forward
and
stand
with
us
together,
because
it's
through
their
generosity
that
this
inaugural
class
of
mayoral,
fellows
Institute,
has
given
12
students
that
you
see
behind
me.
Full-Time
paid
exposure
to
municipal
government
through
a
six-week
program
and
I
must
say
this
is
an
addition
to
the
mayor's
Summer
Youth
Employment
challenge,
which
hired
hundreds
of
youth
in
our
community
this
summer.
B
But
this
was
a
very
special
program
that
these
students
competed
for
and
were
selected
they've,
had
lectures,
discussions
and
group
presentations,
as
well
as
direct
field
experience
across
the
various
departments.
Here
in
the
city.
The
work
these
students
have
done
will
be
capped
off
with
a
progress
report
on
their
departmental
projects
and
a
macht,
a
council
meeting
where
they
will
bring
forth
resolutions
to
Beit
debate
and
vote
on
I'd
like
to
recognize
this
group
of
remarkable
students
and
just
share
with
you
their
names
and
where
they've
been
working.
B
B
D
Hi
I'm
max
Millikan
I'm,
an
incoming
freshman
at
the
College
of
Charleston
I've,
been
fortunate
enough.
Thank
you
to
the
city
and
the
police
department
to
work
with
the
city
of
Charleston
Harbor
Patrol
on
the
issue
of
abandoned
vessels
and
I've
learned
a
lot
through
that
about
the
process
of
politics,
the
process
of
government
and
some
of
the
legal
processes
that
are
concerned
with
that
issue
and
I
found
that,
ultimately,
it
comes
down
to
funding
it's
a
very
expensive
process
to
remove
these
these.
D
These
boats
and
I
don't
want
to
go
into
detail,
but
that's
those
are
the
main
constraints
as
far
as
removing
them.
However,
the
Harbor
Patrol
working
with
DHEC
and
the
police
department
are
actually
removing
the
most
abandoned
vessels
in
the
state
right
now,
so
the
current
process
that
they
have
to
deal
with
the
issue,
it
has
actually
proven
to
be
effective.
It's
just
financially.
There
are
some
barriers,
but
I
don't
want
to
elaborate
any
more
on
that.
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
thank
John
Mitchell
with
the
city.
B
Right
well,
thank
you
max
well,
I,
what's
up
Sydney
did
you
want
to
add
something
on
the
project
you're
working
on?
Yes,
yeah,
yeah,
so
sydney
clinton,
also
by
the
way,
folks
organized
the
March
for
Life
event
that
took
place
for
the
last
two
years:
promoting
a
gun
safety
in
our
community.
That
was
a
result
of
the
terrible
tragedy
down
in
Lakeland
Florida.
A
couple
of
years
ago,
she's
been
a
remarkable
leader
in
that
regard
and
she's
she's.
She
wants
to
go
to
Harvard
University.
F
I'm
not
really
sure
what
exactly
they
wanted
me
to
talk
about,
but
mayor
tech
Lumbergh
is
too
kind.
I've
worked
with
him
a
lot
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
and
I'm
fortunate
to
work
with
him
again
during
this
program.
I've
worked
a
lot
with
Gerry
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
as
well
trying
to
get
this
program
started.
So
we
are
wrapping
up
the
end
of
our
course.
F
We've
got
a
week
and
a
half
left,
and
so
I'm
really
excited
about
just
all
of
the
feedback
that
we've
gotten
so
far
and
to
be
able
to
work
actually
inside
the
city
and
really
see
what
goes
on
in
the
background
has
been
great
exposure.
I
know
for
myself
and
I'm
sure
for
everyone
else
here.
So
thank
you
again.
All
city
council
members
I
appreciate
it
mayor,
tacklin
Berg.
Thank
you
great
well,.
B
Thank
you
all
appreciate,
y'all
being
with
us
tonight
being
record
all
right.
So
next
we
have
some
public
hearings
that
are
before
us
this
evening.
I
think
we
have
about
seven
of
those
and
the
first
one
is
regarding
a
rezoning,
but
mr.
Christopher
Morgan
will
be
making
the
presentation
on
these
items
and
then
anyone
in
the
public
can
come
forward
and
address
any
of
these
issues.
I'd
ask
you
to
keep
your
remarks
relevant
to
the
to
the
matter
at
hand
and
also
to
limit
your
remarks
to
two
minutes.
Mr.
Morgan.
G
G
This
was
something
that
our
Planning
Commission
did
recommend
for,
although
our
staff
did
not,
our
staff
opinion
was
that
it's
in
the
Upper
Peninsula
zoning
district
and
has
a
lot
of
varied
uses
in
that
category
and
did
not
need
to
have
the
additional
accommodations
potential,
but
again
Planning
Commission
did
recommend
for
it
just
some
images
of
the
property.
Here
we
have
ug
Street
running
east
and
west.
This
is
meeting
Street
here.
Meeting
Street
Lofts
has
just
been
developed
across
the
street.
There
is
a
future
hotel
and
parking
and
office
project
across
the
street.
G
From
the
subject
crucial
here
we
have
the
subject
parcel
again.
This
is
the
warehouse
building,
that's
on
the
site
and
an
image
from
the
accommodations
overlay
that
shows
where
the
site
would
be
here
and
these
other
parcels
are
in
the
accommodations
overlay.
However,
this
large
one
was
not
developed
for
an
accommodations
use.
Even
though
it
did
have
the
accommodations
overlay-
and
this
is
just
an
image
from
the
visitor
accommodation
study
so
again,
the
questions
to
go
to
accommodations
overlay
at
245
Eugene
would.
H
My
thing
Leah
Farrell,
with
the
Preservation
Society
of
Charleston,
the
PSC,
is
opposed
to
this
application
and
we
were
also
an
agreement
with
city
staff
who
recommended
denial
at
Planning
Commission.
This
piecemeal
non-contiguous
expansion
of
the
accomodations
overlay
is
why
we're
seeing
this
proliferation
of
hotels
and
the
area
is
already
overly
concentrated
with
accommodations
uses.
As
the
hotel
taskforce
agreed,
a
livable
city
requires
a
healthy
mix
of
diversity
of
uses,
so
we're
looking
for
housing
retail
office,
not
another
hotel
on
this
site.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.
I
J
I
Know
that
flooding
hotels,
many
other
issues
are
fairly
contentious.
These
days,
I'm
gonna
try
to
just
make
it
brief
and
factual
for
everybody
just
to
clarify
the
disapproval
from
the
city
staff
and
the
subsequent
approval
from
the
Planning
Commission,
the
city
staff
said
the
timing
was
not
right,
but
the
Planning
Commission
disagreed,
because
even
though
there
may
be
changes
to
the
hotel
ordinances,
my
request
does
not
conflict
with
either
past
present
or
the
newest
proposed
Hotel
ordinances
that
allow
hotel
use
I'm
in
the
Upper
Peninsula
District,
which
allows
the
accommodations
use
with
this
layering.
I
I
Then
the
city
stripped
me
of
that
designation
and
made
me
half
light
industrial
and
half
general
business,
then
again
more
recently,
these
on
my
property,
general
business
and
now
the
most
recent
change
BB
Upper
Peninsula,
when
that
new
designation
came
about
since
I,
have
had
something
of
a
moving
target
of
no
zoning
of
sorts.
I
formally
respectfully
ask
this
council
to
help
settle
it
tonight
here
and
now
and
square
everything
up.
The
new
hotel
ordinance
that
has
been
deferred
I
have
no
issue
complying
with
it
when
it.
I
If
it
passes
some
of
the
provisions,
the
newest
form,
prohibit
displacement
of
certain
uses.
I
am
NOT
displacing
any
housing.
The
bridge
did
that
no
single
family
residence
live
between
huger
Street,
between
King
Street
and
Larsen
Drive
on
Yugi
Street,
huge
E
Street
has
always
been
a
shortcut
across
the
city
for
those
who
knew
about
it.
It
stretches
all
the
way
from
hey
good
at
Citadel
to
Marcin
near
the
river.
It
is
and
will
become
one
of
the
major
thoroughfares
in
this
growing
area,
as
evidenced
by
the
recently
approved
from
2015.
I
I'm
not
displacing
any
retail
office,
either
I
hope
to
provide
a
project
that
will
enhance
the
recent
developments
and
approve
the
ones
already
approved
in
the
immediate
area
and
take
advantage
of
the
city's
wishes
for
this
area.
I'm,
also
a
minimal
to
the
other
factors
such
as
providing
monies
for
the
fordable
housing
fund.
The
accommodations
overlay
layer
has
been
granted
right
across
the
street
from
me
and
that
project
will
be
built.
I
The
city,
as
recently
as
May
of
this
year,
granted
the
same
designation,
a
rocks,
throw
south
of
my
property
on
meeting
and
just
again
north
we're
meeting
and
Marcin
intersect.
The
city
obviously
believes
this
area
is
both
right
and
deserving
of
this
accommodations
owning
the
property.
Catty-Corner
from
my
property
was
given
this
designation
as
well,
but
they
turned
into
apartments.
There
will
be
a
nice
blend
of
office,
two
and
three
doors
down:
multifamily
and
retail
catty-corner
a
church
down
the
street
and
behind
me
and
city,
affordable
housing
on
the
other
corner.
I
If
that
is
not
a
blending
of
community
I,
don't
know
it
is
as
far
as
the
two
many
hotel
syndrome
simply
is
not
true.
Thank
you,
sir.
Please
rap
on
one
property
chose
to
do
multifamily.
Instead,
I
do
respect
staffs
opinion,
but
Planning
Commission
and
I
just
didn't
agree
with
it.
I
realized
the
city
is
changing
very
rapidly
and
then
we
have
to
manage
growth.
That's
what
this
request
does
it
takes
hotel,
Hotel
guests
out
of
the
downtown
and
brings
them
uptown
I
have
a
copy
of
the
hotel
study,
which
shows
that
hotels
generate.
I
B
B
K
K
If
is
rezone
as
another
hotel,
and
my
problem
is
I,
don't
want
everyone
to
be
on
the
same
page
and
when
I
saw
that
this
Planning
Commission
approved
staff
disapprove
it.
So
I
was
wondering:
what's
the
dilemma
between
the
two
most
of
the
time
they're
on
the
same
page,
this
time,
they're,
not
so
I
had
a
little
problem
with
that
why
this
one
is
doing
and
that
someone
else
is
not
so
a
nice
book
to
have
mr.
chase
and
Hirte.
That's
totally
the
same
thing.
K
That
was
my
only
dilemma
in
this
particular
project.
Is
making
sure
that
the
people
there
are
the
that's
their
understand
what's
going
to
be
taking
place
in
that
particular
area
and
I
want
to
know
how
these
cars
are
gonna
be
coming
out
of
there
when
you
have
two
different
two
churches
there
and
you
will
have
another
Hotel
coming
and
where's
the
other
hotels,
gonna
be
larger,
I
guess
and
this
hotel
is
there
they'll
be
coming
out
in
the
same
exit
if
you
made,
which
is
excellent
to
hugie
street
and
the
hotel
that
plan.
K
I
K
Baptist
Church,
so
I
wanted
them
to
be
aware
of
what's
taking
place
that
might
be
taking
place
before
this
go
further.
So
that
was
my
dilemma
on
this
all
the
time
and
I
mention
it
and
I
tell
him
the
same
thing.
The
same
thing
I'm
singing
here,
I
told
mr.
shakes
the
same
thing:
I
don't
make
changes,
they
know
I,
don't
play
games,
that's
the
way.
I
am
I'm.
Gonna
tell
you
upfront
how
I
feel
about
something
and
I
tell
them
I'm.
K
Looking
at
the
big
vision,
the
whole
vision
of
that
particular
area
of
two
hotels
coming
side
by
side
doing
the
same
inches
in
too
huge
a
street,
and
so
I
still
have
my
little
problems
with
that,
but
the
Planning
Commission
already
proved
it
so
the
rezoning,
because
most
of
properties
there
have
been
rezone
to
the
accommodation
overlay.
So
I
must
going
to
tell
my
colleagues
you
bought
your
uncle
Dixon
on
this
one.
Yes,.
M
N
A
Okay,
you
know
I
looked
at
this
a
lot
on
Google,
Earth
and
and
looked
at
the
surrounding
properties
and
I
didn't
see
an
issue
with,
especially
with
the
hotel
going
across
the
across
the
street,
with
that
I
really
believe
what
mr.
Chase
is
saying
that
he's
not
taken
away
from
any
affordable
housing
he's
not
taken
away
from
some
of
these
other
things
that
we're
usually
concerned
with,
and
this
may
be
a
little
bit
different
in
this
situation.
The
Chase
family's
been
here.
A
You
know
for
a
long
long
time,
not
only
as
residents
of
our
city
but
as
business
owners,
and
they
run
good
businesses
and
they've
always
been
reputable
and
that
family.
You
know
it's
not
somebody
from
the
outside
they're
a
family
that
cares
about
this
city,
and
it's
going
to
do
things
right,
want
to
do
things
the
right
way,
because
they're
going
to
be
here
a
long
time.
N
That
Mister
me
thank
you
all.
The
Planning
Commission
approved
us
and
normally
City
Council
in
certain
cases,
don't
override
a
Planning
Commission.
In
some
cases
we
can't
because
it
takes
ten
votes-
the
same
length
in
this
particular
case
that
just
gonna
be
the
sample
to
jority,
but
I.
Don't
think
I'm
gonna
vote
to
overrule
the
Planning
Commission.
L
O
I
You
I've
enjoyed
a
good
relationship
with
both
of
these
churches
for
over
30
years,
I
spoke
to
pastor
Jackson.
He
wasn't
the
original
pastor
at
this
church.
The
churches
have
been
parking
on
my
property
for
30
years
when
they
have
overflow
parking
at
no
charge.
We've
gotten
along
terrifically
and
the
only
time
I
spoke
to
the
greater
refuge
with
recently
with
Pastor
Jackson.
A
couple
of
days
ago,
I
remarked
to
him
I
said
mr.
I
Jackson
I
know
that
things
are
changing
very
rapidly
in
that
area,
and
you
know,
frankly,
they
haven't
had
to
use
my
parking
lot
for
the
last
number
of
years
because
their
membership
has
been
declining.
But
he
said
when
I
remarked
I
said
well,
I'd
like
to
be
a
good
neighbor
with
the
church.
If
you'd
like
to
be
a
good
neighbor
with
me,
and
he
said,
we're
good
neighbors.
P
G
Because
the
city
had
given
zoning
Upper
Peninsula
zoning
on
this
property,
the
feeling
was
that
there
are
a
lot
of
additional
uses,
a
lot
of
potential
additional
density
through
that
that
that
gives
a
lot
of
opportunities
on
the
site.
And
then
we
do
try
to
be
very
judicious
when
we
recommend
for
any
expansions
of
the
accomodations
overlay
and
that,
coupled
with
the
fact
that
the
Upper
Peninsula
zoning
is
there,
we
felt
there
were
many
uses
that
could
happen
on
the
property.
Q
Thank
You
mayor
Thank,
You
councilmember
shade
that
was
can
be
my
question
too.
I
did
attend
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
I
think
it
was
well
discussed
by
you
know
that
body
that
tries
to
be
thoughtful
globally
according
to
our
master
planning
and
also
where
their
work
is
being
asked
to
be
located.
I
guess
my
thought
about
this
and
I
spoke
with
mr.
Q
chase
I
appreciate
the
call
and
the
opportunity
to
hear
from
you
and
ask
my
questions,
but
my
my
thought
all
during
the
Planning
Commission,
which
is
the
same
tonight
that
that
I'm
you
just
voice
mr.
hour,
reminded
us
of
mr.
Morgan
that
I
consider
the
Upper
Peninsula
zoning
like
the
highest
and
best.
Q
You
know
sort
of
seeing
their
neighborhood
change,
but
yet
having
those
anchors
of
familiar
community
and
the
routes
that
go
with
them
and
I
I
just
feel
like
a
hotel.
Yes,
I
know
they
over
crowd
the
downtown
area
and
but
but
we're
sort
of
used
to
that,
and
that
really
was
what
we
created
intentionally
is
to
have
populations
that
are
going
to
come
and
go
on
a
weekly
basis
in
our
market
in
our
streets.
We've
all
learned
how
to
drive
carefully,
because
the
tourists
are
there.
Q
K
Is
a
point
of
view,
I
think
this
would
be
one.
The
first
hotels,
that's
gonna
be
place
in
the
areas
such
most
of
the
hotels
on
the
thoroughfare
of
meeting
Street,
King
Street,
but
in
the
community
are
in
this
particular
area
like
ug
Street.
This
is
gonna,
be
the
first
one
that
I
know
all
and
I'm.
Just
kinda
shaky
with
that
to
see
is
coming
that
way
and
I
still
got
my
problems
with
it
and
I
told
mr.
Chasen.
It's
nothing
personal
toward
him
at
all.
Cuz
I
know
you
know.
K
I've
known
to
your
parents
ran
that
store
on
King
Street
for
years
and
years.
I.
Remember
that.
But
this
is
the
first
coming
into
that
community
to
that
way
and
that
particular
Street
off
of
off
of
a
thoroughfare
of
a
main
thoroughfare
a
night
so
also
told
him,
I
said
if
it
was
housing.
I
wouldn't
had
any
problems,
because
he
know
how
I'm
with
housing
I
would
have
been
no
problem
at
all,
but
but
the
hotel
I
just
got
I
just
have
my
problem.
K
R
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
no
one
knows
more
so
than
the
owner,
but
this
property
has
had
a
pretty
long
and
storied
history
in
front
of
this
council
I'm
pretty
sure
at
one
point,
not
in
the
too
distant
future.
One
of
the
things
what
was
considered
here
was
a
gun
range
right.
We
thought
about
putting
a
gun
range
in
there,
so
I,
then,
when
we
got
through
Upper
Peninsula
zoning
Upper
Peninsula
zoning
is
an
opt-in.
R
Zoning,
so
I'm
pretty
sure
I
mean
that's
sort
of
the
gold
standard
of
zoning
and
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
this
and
owners
opted
in.
So
it's
a
good
zoning.
You
know:
we've
just
gone
through
an
enormous
amount
of
time
in
this
city
on
this
council.
Looking
at
thinking
about
accommodations,
it
has
been
a
wrestling
that
to
some
epic
proportions
and
to
start
expanding
the
accommodations
overlay
zone.
Now,
in
the
wake
of
all
the
work
that
we
did,
I
didn't
see
this
come
up
during
that
time.
R
I,
don't
think
the
timing
is
right
on
this.
I
don't
think.
Ultimately,
this
is
the
best
place.
Considering
the
infrastructure.
We've
got
you're
a
hundred
yards
away
from
one
of
the
worst
flooding
intersections
in
the
city,
just
to
keep
adding
adding
adding
adding
in
that
corridor
that
15
years
ago
there
was
no
taco
boy.
There
was
no
East
Street
law.
There
was
none
of
that
stuff
and
we've
gone
from
nothing
a
whole
bunch
with
private
development,
and
we
haven't
caught
up
with
infrastructure.
R
Maybe
you've
gotten
caught
in
that
a
little
bit,
but
you've
got
the
Upper
Peninsula
zoning.
It's
good
zoning
I.
Think
enough
is
enough
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this,
and
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
this
property
in
particular.
But
it's
the
whole
notion
of
we
have
to
at
some
point
say:
zoning
is
forever.
We
keep
rezoning
the
same
properties,
we're
going
to
lose
complete
control
of
our
zoning,
a
whole
process
and
what
we're
thinking
about
for
the
future.
M
Mr.
chase
I
want
to
apologize
to
you
tonight
because
I
think
you're
a
fair
and
honest
man
I
liked
your
truthfulness
and
basically,
what
you've
heard
tonight
is
because
you
weren't
greedy,
quick
enough
you're,
probably
not
going
to
get
a
hotel
tonight
I.
Personally,
don't
don't
think
that
tonight
is
the
night
to
award
you
a
hotel
either,
but
for
a
different
reason,
I
think.
Eventually,
this
would
be
a
perfect
property
for
a
hotel
because
we
are
finishing
an
overpass
over
in
that
area.
M
We're
building
a
new
port,
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
traffic
coming
through
that
area,
a
new
traffic,
but
basically
you
came
to
the
table
a
little
bit
late
as
what
what
I'm
hearing
from
some
people
here
tonight
and
I,
don't
necessarily
agree
with
that.
I!
Don't
think
that
we
should
punish
you,
because
other
people
came
and
got
to
the
table
and
gotten
their
hotels
before
you.
I
just
I
want
to
see
how
this
area
changes
a
little
bit
over
the
next
I'd
say.
M
Probably
over
the
next
year,
I
mean
I,
really
really
appreciate
you
come
in
and
talking
with
me,
I
wish.
We
could
have
talked
some
more
I
think
that
if
you
don't
get
this
approval
tonight
and
you
have
an
opportunity
to
go
back
and
meet
with
the
the
people
in
the
community
meet
with
councilmember
Mitchell
meet
with
some
of
the
rest
of
us,
we
can
help.
You
eventually
find
a
good
use
for
the
site,
maybe
maybe
it
is
a
hotel,
but
being
that
you
know,
we
really
just
started
talking
about
this
late
last
night
early
today.
M
I,
don't
think
today
is
the
the
final
end
all
day
that
that
you
get
that
but
I'm
very
interested
in
this
area
of
town,
because
it
is
changing
drastically,
but
in
the
same
respect,
I've
got
a
listen
to
councilmember
Mitchell,
who
represents
this
district
and
to
grant
a
hotel
or
put
some
in
the
accommodations
overlay
district
would
be
a
huge
change
to
this
area,
a
big
big
change
and
something
that
the
neighborhood
may
not
be
ready
for
at
this
time.
So
I
look
forward
to
talking
with
you
I
want
to
follow
up
with
you.
M
I
want
to
hear
more
about
your
ideas,
I
appreciate
you
being
so
honest
with
us.
It's
refreshing
and
I
appreciate
you
being
somebody
local
who
wants
to
build.
You
know,
because
so
often
we
have
people
that
come
from
all
over
the
world.
They
build,
they
make
their
money
and
they
leave
and
we
never
see
them
again
and
nine
times
out
of
ten.
We
don't
think
twice
about
those
people.
We
let
them
do
whatever
they
want.
Then
they
go
away
here.
M
You
are
a
local
businessman
who
is
is
trying
to
do
something,
but
the
timing
is
a
little
bit
rough
because
of
we
haven't.
We
haven't
gotten
our
final
report
back
on
on.
What's
going
on
with
these
hotels
and
and
I
really
think
you
need
to
meet
with
councilmember,
Mitchell,
one-on-one
and
and
work
with
that,
neighborhood
more
and
get
some
better
ideas
through
that.
But
I
appreciate
your
your
honesty,
so
Thank
You
councilmember.
P
Shade
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
mr.
Morgan
to
come
out
one
more
time.
Sorry
to
have
you
come
back
and
forth.
Yes,
sir,
two
quick
questions:
if
the
request
is
granted,
what
type
of
hotel
could
be
erected
there
and,
as
mr.
Chasen
stated,
will
this
fall
into
what's
been
proposed
and
discussed
with
the
new
amendment
to
the
overlay
over
accommodations
ordinance?
Yes,.
G
Since
the
new,
well,
the
accommodations
ordinance
has
had
a
first
read
from
counsel
should
that
move
for
it
would
have
to
follow
that
new
accommodations
overlay
and
get
the
special
exception
under
the
new
standards.
As
far
as
what
type
of
hotel
could
go
here,
it's
a
fairly
small
site.
It
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
hinde
I,
believe
the
heights
four
storeys,
maybe
five
I,
don't
have
that
with
me
at
the
moment,
but
I
don't
think
it
would
be
a
super
large
hotel.
B
L
K
To
mr.
seed
to
get
with
me
and
also
get
with
Eastside
Baptist
Church
and
pass
to
Jackson
wish
attacks
in
there
and
vo
try
to
work
something
out
and
might
be
back,
but
the
hotel
you
don't
know
but
because
I
vote,
maybe
I
can
bring
it
back
but
get
with
them,
and
let
me
see
exactly
what
they
feel
about
that
particular
error
coming
in
there,
but
the
hotel
and
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
tell
you
before,
but
I
wanted
to
further.
You
told
me
no.
So
this
is
what
I'm
saying
thank.
G
Yes,
sir,
so
item
e
2
is
a
request
at
49
Archdale.
We
have
the
map
in
front
of
us
here.
These
are
two
small
parcels,
0.175
hundredths
of
an
acre
at
the
corner
of
Archdale
and
market
and
vein
across
from
the
meminger
elementary
school.
This
is
the
image
here
of
the
parcels.
There
is
a
small
retail
shopping
center
across
the
street,
with
a
restaurant
and
some
other
retail.
There
is
elderly
housing.
G
S
I'm
Paul
Garber,
Eenie
I,
live
in
that
conglomeration
of
elderly
housing
across
the
street.
It's
the
Canterbury
house,
I
have
three
numbers
for
you:
258
84
and
17.
There
are
258
residents
at
the
Canterbury
house.
We
are
not
allowed
to
have
street
parking
permits.
We
have
84
parking
places
which
can
be
rented
by
tenants
for
258
people.
There
are
17
parking
places,
public
parking
meters
on
that
property.
I
can't
tell
you
how
important
that
is,
for
people
who
have
handicap
stickers,
because
there's
no
place
else
for
us
to
park.
S
T
Hello,
my
name
is:
will
Morrison
I'm
the
applicant
for
the
rezoning
application
for
49
Archdale
Street
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
few
items
there.
The
property
itself
does
not
have
any
public
parking
on
it.
This
it
was
a
parcel
that
was
purchased
from
the
city
and
it
all
the
spaces
on
it.
Excuse
me,
can
you
guys
hear
me
now
sorry
about
that?
All
the
spaces
that
are
the
city
spaces
along
the
bottom
edge
there
along
Market
Street,
will
remain.
We
are
not
planning
on
removing
any
of
them
and
then
also
for
this
designation.
T
L
L
R
R
T
R
And
I
haven't
heard
from
you
all
so
I'd
love
to
talk
to
you
about
what
your
plans
are
for
this
I'd
like
to
make
sure
I
can
get
to
the
Canterbury
House.
Those
are
258
citizens
who
live
here,
they're
258
voters
we
want
to
make
sure
they
hear
they're
258
people
want
to
park
and
that
halls
the
village
all
around
haven't
heard
from
the
homeowners
association.
So
I
have
no
idea
what
you
plan
for
that.
I
am
NOT
for
against
it.
R
I
just
want
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say:
I
understand,
you're
consistent
with
the
Comprehensive
Plan.
All
that
stuff
it
just
would
be
great
if
I
could
lead
and
let
them
know
what's
cooking.
So
we
can
wait
a
couple
weeks.
I
would
ask
my
fellow
council
members
for
deferral.
You
and
I
will
get
together
and
soon
as
possible
and
we'll
see
where
this
is
all
going
or
report
it
back
out.
That's
each
okay
sure.
B
B
G
Iii
is
at
200
Spring
Street.
This
is
a
request
to
rezone
from
general
business
to
the
MU
to
workforce
housing
district.
There
are
other
parcels
on
either
side
that
are
have
been
zoned
with
the
MU
to
workforce
housing
district.
This
parcel
had
a
gas
station
on
it,
which
has
been
demolished.
It's
on
the
north
north
side
of
Spring
Street
or
the
septum
of
Clark
Crosstown
expressway
area.
The
images
here
show
the
property
with
the
demolished
gas
station
on
it.
G
There
will
be
new
housing
built
in
a
building
here
and
also
on
the
building
here
and
there's
another
parcel
just
down
the
street
from
it.
That
is
up
for
similar
zoning
tonight
as
well.
We've
got
another
image
here,
just
a
little
bit
closer
into
it
as
well,
and
both
staff
and
Planning
Commission
recommend
approval
for
the
MU
to
work
force.
Housing
on
the
site
could.
G
Other
property
and
then
the
other
property
is
just
down
the
street.
It
is
home
to
a
check,
cashing
business
at
present
again,
its
general
business
also,
and
the
request
is
for
MU
to
workforce
housing
and
sorry.
Our
little
squares
are
getting
kind
of
morphed
off
here,
but
this
is
the
property
in
question
and
then
the
other
parcel
is
right
here
and
the
other
parcels
in
between
have
now
been
zoned
to
the
MU
to
workforce
housing.
With
the
exception,
one
person
of
the
city
is
using
as
a
lay
down
yard
for
the
Crosstown
drainage
construction.
U
U
29
Ashton
Street,
Jeff
froms,
wait
I
think
a
month
or
two
ago.
Some
of
this
was
brought
up
about
200
our
full
community
on
Ashton
Street,
supported
it
100%.
We
like
the
idea
of
the
gas
station
being
gone
and
everything
else
on
the
new
proposal,
where
the
check
cashing
and
everything
else
is
we
ask
and
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
from
our
street
or
community
can
make
it
I
try
to
talk
to
many
of
people
as
we
could.
Please
don't
take
away
our
residential
area.
Our
a
sh
tting
Street
is
under
development
change.
U
It's
going
in
the
right
direction
when
we
start
talking
about
rezoning
residential
area
to
accommodate.
What's
new
gonna
be
upcoming
on
the
property
of
the
check-cashing,
it's
very
hard
to
say,
I
moved
into
this
area
four
years
ago,
and
how
I
looked
at
before
is
property
next
door
to
me
could
be
residential
in
a
matter
of
minutes.
It
could
go
change
the
zoning
to
commercial
and
then
it
could
be
turned
into
a
parking
lot
or
something
like
that.
So
we
support
100%
what
happens
on
Spring,
Street
and
everything
else.
U
V
Evening,
mr.
mayor
and
council,
my
name
is
Otto
lawrence
under
the
210
Fishburne
Street
Westside
neighborhood,
president
emeritus
I'm,
so
happy
I,
don't
know
what
to
do.
I
may
go
back
to
church
tonight,
because
this
that
particular
piece
of
property
was
an
eyesore
and
was
a
problem
for
this
community
for
years.
V
If
you
know
the
word,
this
piece
of
property
is
located
and
what
was
there
before
title
loan
lending
money,
300%
interest
tax,
bleeding
this
community
for
years,
every
time
I
go
past.
This
property
I
have
nightmares,
because
what
this
piece
of
property
had
did
to
this
community
and
a
developer
to
pry
and
what's
happening
on
Ashton
Street
and
the
Browning
area.
What
he's
working
on
he
have
a
wonderful
track
record
for
this
neighborhood.
V
V
This
will
have
some
kind
of
consistency
of
what's
happening
on
Spring
Street,
on
both
side
of
the
street
and
with
this
Medical
Complex.
So
please,
whatever
you
do,
let's
get
rid
of
that
particular
property
and
make
it
the
right
thing
for
the
right
community
in
the
right
fit.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Would.
B
W
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
council,
my
name
is
Patrick
head
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
development
team.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
few
things
on
the
two
projects.
They
are
separate.
The
city-owned
lot
between
separates
them.
The
existing
EMU
site
at
210,
Spring
Street,
which
was
the
old
Pizza
Hut.
That
site
is
together
with
200,
which
is
the
gas
station
and
we're
just
looking
to
sync
up
that
zoning
so
they're
both
mu
instead
of
the
split
zoning
on
the
other
site.
W
But
we
are
not
looking
to
rezone
the
Ashton
Street
parcels,
similar
to
what
we
did
behind
210
we've
renovated
and
redone
two
houses
that
are
part
of
the
community,
we're
not
looking
to
add
mu2
ashton
street
just
to
the
spring
street
parcels,
as
you
can
see
in
that
diagram,
there's
a
little
piece
of
a
vacant
lot
in
the
bet
that
would
just
square
up
to
16,
with
two
14
just
to
allow
an
orthogonal
lot
for
easier
building.
So
if
there's
any
other
questions
so.
W
B
W
B
K
N
Sir
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
this
project,
that's
in
my
district.
The
developers
has
been
before
the
Neighborhood.
Association
has
gotten
approval
from
them,
and
it's
been
before
City
Council
and
was
a
it
was
voted
upon
was
axed
to
go
back
to
the
Planning
Commission.
To
make
some
changes,
they
went
back,
they
met
with
the
Planning
Commission
they
made
with
the
neighborhood
as
an
organization,
so
certainly
I
support
this
project
and
active
City
to
prove
it.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
P
B
G
Or
for
woodland,
Shores
Road
I
believe
our
slide.
Projector
is
not
advancing
now
for
some
reason,
but
I
can
just
give
you
the
background
on
it.
You
have
the
maps
in
front
of
you
again.
This
is
a
recently
annexed
parcel
its
individual
single-family
house.
It
was
annexed
in
the
city
June
18th
of
this
year
and
the
request
is
for
sr
one
which
matches
the
surrounding
area
of
the
city.
B
G
And
this
is
also
on
James
Island.
It's
a
quarter
acre
site
here
we
go.
It
may
be
my
controller
here
I.
Here
we
go
there.
We
go
all
right.
That
was
the
woodland
shores.
Okay,
and
here
we
have
the
Mokpo
21:54
bappu,
which
is
also
recommended
for
s
r1
zoning,
both
Planning
Commission's
to
Africa
and
then
approval
and
that
matches
the
zoning
in
the
surrounding
area.
But.
B
G
Number
seven:
this
is
an
item
that's
been
before
the
traffic
and
Transportation
Committee
and
I
believe
mr.
Benjamin.
We
have
a
couple
of
comments.
This
is
a
change
to
the
zoning
ordinance
to
require,
through
the
TRC
process,
provisions
for
transit
accommodations
when
new
development
occurs
in
the
city
and
I'll.
Let
mr.
Benjamin
give
a
couple
of
comments.
Good.
X
X
Councillor
Mitchell
said
something
that
was
interesting
just
earlier
regarding
the
hotel,
you
all
were
reviewing
regarding
the
traffic
patterns
on
how
that
affects
the
public
right-of-way.
The
goal
of
this
ordinance
puts
a
tool
in
the
toolbox
of
TRC
to
address
those
concerns
directly
based
on
existing
measurements
that
we
have
in
our
TRC
process.
As
you
might
already
know,
the
two
main
things
that
are
measured
within
the
traffic
studies
that
these
major
projects
do
is
one
level
of
service
of
the
public,
right-of-way
and
then
strip
generation.
X
Well,
we've
asked
for
in
this
ordinances
to
use
those
existing
measurements
that
are
already
taken
for
these
development
projects
that
would
come
before
TRC
and
say.
If
you're
going
to
be
addressing
transportation,
you
need
to
address
it
in
its
totality,
and
that
includes
transit,
and
so
they
were
excited
about
this
really
grateful
to
Carter
and
the
Council
of
Governments
that
really
helped
us
Shepherd.
This
through
remember,
we
have
eight
hundred
and
sixty
or
so
bus
stops
in
the
tri-county
area.
X
Less
than
20
percent
have
a
shelter
in
the
city
we
have
three
hundred
and
seventy
eight,
not
even
forty
of
them
have
sheltering.
Thankfully,
because
of
the
work
of
Carter
councilmember
seeking
senator
kimsen
and
others.
We
already
have
10
brand-new
shelters
that
have
been
installed
in
the
city
in
the
last
six
months,
and
so
we're
just
really
excited
about
this
movement.
B
Like
to
be
heard
on
this
matter,
seeing
none,
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
and
a
second
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
oppose
the
eyes.
Have
it
now
for
third
reading
and
ratification
of
a
motion
and
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
he
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
so
I
must
admit.
I
was
remiss
when
we
started
our
meeting
to
recognize
Reverend
Paul
Rienzo
of
crosstown
Church,
who,
as
our
they
are
our
host
tonight,
and
we
just
want
to
thank
them
for
their
hospitality.
B
Both
last
night
and
tonight,
Reverend
Renzo's
in
the
back
of
the
church
would
y'all.
Please
recognize
him
and
thank
you,
and
if
you
were
here
for
last
night
at
the
beginning,
our
of
our
Dutch
dialogues,
meeting
Reverend,
Rienzo
Paul
opened
us
up
and
he
didn't
preach,
but
he
could
have
been
preaching
about
water
and
and
drainage,
and
he's
very
passionate
advocate
for
improvements
in
our
city
for
for
drainage,
and
we
thank
him
for
his
support
and
his
passion
on
this
topic.
So
next
we
have
just
one
City
Council
minutes
to
approve
may
28th
any.
B
B
We
had
a
signing
of
this
commitment
and
it's
going
to
be
a
remarkable
effort
over
the
next
1112
years
or
so
to
address
the
hiv/aids
really
epidemic
and
in
in
our
city.
So
we
have
about
36
people
here
and
can
we
have
a
five-minute
break?
I've
got
a
request
for
a
five-minute
break.
It's
five
minutes
to
seven
by
my
watch.
Can
we
reconvene
at
7
o'clock
sharp
just
5
minutes,
don't
make
it
15
now
5
minutes
all
right.
E
B
All
right
next
is
our
citizens
participation
period
and
we
we
allow
30
minutes.
We've
got
a
little
over
30
people
that
have
signed
up
so
I'm,
going
to
ask
you
to
please
state
your
name
and
address,
and
please
try
to
keep
your
remarks
to
a
minute
and
and
the
first
on
the
list
is
Robert.
King,
David,
Ross,
King,
David,
Thank.
Y
Y
Respectfully
the
man
that
City
Council
defer
action
and
delay
a
request
on
July
16
2019
to
approve
the
construction
contracts
for
the
I
am
respectfully
the
I
am
board.
Members
are
committing
fraud
and
respectfully
dr.
joy,
Bivens,
chief
curator,
dr.
Fernau,
Powell's,
interim
CEO
and
former
mayor
Raleigh
are
being
intellectually
dishonest
and
telling
our
African
story.
Cannibalizing
cultural
memory
has
not
progress.
For
example,
to
belittle
and
de-emphasize.
One
of
our
african
ancestors
greatest
accomplishment
in
the
world
is
the
creation
of
mathematics
and
the
first
mathematical
tool.
Y
Right
so,
therefore,
until
therefore
until
questions
the
priorities,
such
as
museum
governance,
museum
design,
museum,
exhibits,
historical
narrative
and
content
has
been
resolved.
I
respectfully
request
that
City
Council
delayed
the
construction
contracts
for
the
I.
Am
we
do
not
want
a
minimal
adequate
education,
museum.
AA
AB
Was
asked
to
speak
on
the
form
of
using
images
to
prose
trade
superiority,
white
supremacy,
the
more
deadly
form
of
white
supremacy
is
to
promote
an
image
of
a
white
man
to
the
world
as
a
God
that
is
evil
at
its
utmost
people
are
acting
to
take
Calhoun
statue
of
Marion
Square.
We
are
acting
to
take
all
images
that
portray
divine
from
out
of
our
houses
of
worship
and
out
of
our
city
period.
Any
image
that
portrayed
divine
is
an
act
of
evil.
Thank
you.
AC
Mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
Charles,
Hayward,
honorably,
retired
Presbyterian,
pastor
simply
come
to
ask
again
that
city
counts
to
take
action
to
remove
the
John
C
Calhoun
statue
from
Marion
Square.
If
you
could
appreciate
the
comments
made
on
african-american
history
in
this
very
room
over
the
last
hour
and
a
half
put
the
statute
in
context
of
what
the
President
of
the
United
States
have
been
saying
for
the
last
three
days,
our
two
Republican
senators,
as
well
as
the
silence
from
our
federal
representatives.
AC
This
is
a
great
challenge
and
it
will
take
courage
for
this
council
to
act.
But
it
only
is
a
courage
of
one
to
make
a
motion
courage
of
another
to
second
courage
for
all
of
you
to
debate
the
issue
and
courage
of
the
majority
of
you
to
take
the
actions
to
move.
This
statue
just
think
about
the
statue
and
the
International
african-american
museum,
coexistent
I
appeal
to
your
better
sense
of
doing
the
right
thing.
Why
doing
the
right
thing?
As
always
the
right
thing
to
do.
AD
Good
evening,
mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Mark:
Brandenburg
I
live
at
2650
Burton
Creek
Road,
which
is
out
on
John's
Island
and
is
adjacent
to
the
area
which
was
up
for
annexation
and
we're
a
PUD
has
been.
The
vet
has
been
proposed.
All
of
that's
been
pulled
off
of
your
account
off
of
your
agenda
for
today.
So
I'll
be
very
brief,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
the
problems
with
that
project
are
Legion.
The
opponents
to
it
are
many,
a
number
of
whom
are
sitting
beside
me
from
our
neighborhood
and
I
know.
AD
There's
plenty,
others
that
are
sitting
in
the
that
are
sitting
in
the
audience.
The
least
of
the
problems,
I
think
is
probably
the
the
name
of
the
project.
It
was
originally
called
Oakville.
It's
now
called
Riverrun.
The
problem
with
that
is
there's
already
a
river
run
on
Johns
Island,
so
the
developers
hadn't
even
done
their
homework
on
that.
The
worst
of
the
problems,
of
course,
is
the
drainage
we
were
here
yesterday
for
your
Dutch
dialogues,
experts
reports.
We
talked
to
some
of
them
and
some
of
them
came
out
and
looked
at
the
property.
AD
Yesterday,
all
of
them
that
we
talked
to
talked
to
said
this
is
not
an
area
that
ought
to
be
developed
at
all.
It's
very
similar
to
an
area
right
behind
you,
where,
a
few
months
ago,
y'all
bought
a
bunch
of
houses
that
a
previous
city
council
approved
to
be
developed
out
there
and
you've
demolished
them.
If
you
approve
the
annexation
and
you
approve
the
PUD
some
future
City
Council
is
going
to
do
that
in
years
in
in
your
state.
AD
B
Z
AE
Evening
my
name
is
J
Denise
Cromwell
Williams
Cromwell
I'm
at
81-57,
green
Ridge,
Road
North,
Charleston
I
did
speak
with
Councilwoman
Jackson
on
the
little
break,
so
that
will
help
me
in
probably
getting
with
Councilman
wearing
on
the
concerns
that
I
have
personally
that
there
are
no
african-american
on
the
planning
committee
have
been
or
is
on
that
committee.
I
would
like
to
find
out
more
information
about
being
a
part
of
that
I
was
born
and
raised
here.
I
have
a
cousin,
Marion
Newton
right
now,
there's
completing
a
book
of
his
history.
AE
Our
family
history,
here
I've
taken
a
DNA
test
and
my
family
comes
from
not
just
slaves.
We
were
not
just
slaves,
we
were
kings
and
queens
and
we
come
from
royalty.
So
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
voice
and
share
my
opinion
our
opinion
as
African
Americans.
If
we
are
building
a
museum
to
represent
us,
we
should
be
at
the
planning
table.
AF
Mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
I'm
Tim
Squire
live
on
John's
Island
and
I
would
like
to
speak
to
you
about
the
river
run
of
Oakville
project
is
concerned
this
annexation
and
planned
development.
Even
though
it's
deferred
it's
still
a
pending
issue,
and
it's
very
much
concerned
with
drainage
and
flooding
in
the
past.
The
council
seems
to
have
not
been
able
to
see
the
forest,
see
the
for
see
the
forest
for
the
trees
and
concerning
these
issues,
excuse
me
or
to
see
the
swamp
for
the
water,
and
that
applies
in
this
situation.
AG
I'm
Lori
Adams
I
live
on
John's
Island,
also
known
as
the
redheaded
stepchild
of
the
state
of
Caen,
South
Carolina
and
the
county,
and
the
city
I
deplore
the
city
to
stop
annexing
property
on
John's
Island
until
they
solve
the
flooding
issue.
The
development
that's
going
on
on
John's
Island,
John's
Island
doesn't
have
a
resident.
That's
a
representative
of
John's
Island.
We
have
no
say
where
the
redheaded
stepchild.
AG
AG
Just
because
this
is
the
United
States
of
America
I,
believe
things
that
have
been
done
can
be
undone
and
I
implore,
the
residents
of
John's
Island
and
James
Island.
We
get
some
good
lawyers
and
we
reverse
what
has
happened
so
that
city
of
Charleston
cannot
just
continually
annex
property.
The
flooding
issue
I
mean
their
residents
that
are
concerned
about
developments
because
of
the
fill
that's
been
put
in
that
they've
lived
there
for
20
years.
Well,
what's
gonna
happen
when
my
property
floods
and
the
reply
was,
do
you
have
FEMA
I
mean
that's
ludicrous?
AG
AH
AI
Can
you
hear
me
this
is
a
really
cool
place
to
gather
it's
like
Jesus
goes
to
Vegas
or
Hollywood
or
but
it's
I
mean
I'm
a
Christian.
Everything
I
don't
mean
that
anyway,
thank
you
for
approving
Fort
Pemberton
park
site
on
James
Island,
and
thank
you
for
passing
the
traffic
amendment
and
thank
you
to
the
city
of
Charleston
staff
for
recommending
disapproval
on
something
and
then
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
and
with
regard
to
annexing
the
property
for
the
purpose
of
the
plan
unit
development,
River
Run.
AI
At
this
juncture
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
any
action,
contrary
to
solving
flooding
and
traffic
issues,
is
self-serving
to
the
developers
pockets
only
in
the
interim.
Only
ultimately,
it
harms
the
existing
taxpayers.
We
are
already
beyond
maximum
density
in
the
way
that
has
been
managed
up
to
now.
Please
do
not
let
private
engineers
Gaslight
you
with
algorithms,
which
ignore
the
obvious
two
contiguous
tax
on
property,
while
that
went
fast,
contiguous
property
owner
taxpaying
in
the
city
and
adjacent
jurisdictions.
Thank
you.
AJ
Hi
I'm
Steve
green
2160,
River,
Road,
John's,
Island,
I've,
read
the
city
of
Charleston
century
v,
Plan
Update.
The
number
one
goal
is
to
preserve
the
physical
qualities
and
Way
of
life
in
rural
areas
of
the
city.
I've
lived
on
River
Road
for
37
years,
I've
seen
what
the
city
does
under
the
century,
five
planned
with
the
new
stone
of
view,
development
as
I
lived
directly
across
the
street
from
it
six
inches
of
rich
topsoil
is
stripped
from
the
land
topsoil,
which
grew
cabbage
potatoes
and
renowned
John's
Island
Tomatoes.
AJ
It
is
sold
and
replaced
with
four
to
five
feet
of
sandy
soils
and
clay,
which
does
not
allow
permeability.
The
development
has
created
a
dam
effect
between
my
house
and
the
Stono
River.
My
front
yard
started
flooding
when
the
development
began
in
filling,
and
this
goes
against
the
number-one
goal
of
the
century:
five
plan
to
preserve
the
physical
qualities
and
Way
of
life
in
rural
areas
of
the
city
time.
Z
AK
I'm
rich
Thomas,
Betsy,
Karason,
Parkway,
John's
Island.
They
do
not
live
in
the
city,
but
things
the
city
does
in
John's.
Island
affects
me
and
many
of
our
neighbors
last
night,
David
Wagner
stood
right
there
and
he
said
a
few
things
that
I
jotted
down.
One
thing
he
said
was
do
something
special
second
thing
was
solve
problems.
AK
The
third
was
have
concerns
about
compromises
that
cost
nature,
and
the
fourth
thing
I
jotted
down
was
you
can't
lose
things
that
are
valuable.
This
proposed
Oakville
project
will
violate
each
one
of
those
principles.
He
spoke
to
everything
we
know
about
this
project
and
John's
Island
tells
us
that
it
violates
every
one
of
those
principles
that
he
spoke
to
last
night.
I
urge
you
all
in
any
future
deliberations
to
put
a
stop
to
this
project.
AK
AL
My
name
is
Nicola
Valli
I
live
at
1968
high
Meadow
Street
on
John's
Island
and
I've
only
lived
there
20
years,
but
long
enough
to
have
friends
who
have
lived
there.
Their
whole
lives.
My
mechanic,
who
is
in
his
50s,
said
that
he
has
never
seen
the
type
of
flooding
that
he
saw
just
two
weeks
ago
over
the
bridges.
It's
getting
bad
and
we
keep
coming
and
saying
that
I
just
watched
a
family
that,
by
all
accounts,
is
very
responsible
and
cares
about
the
community
and
mr.
AL
My
heart
swelled
as
I
applauded
for
the
museum
and
the
hard-working
young
people.
It
bothers
me
that
you
would
try
to
silence
applause
when
that
applause
represents
what
so
many
people
on
Sean's
Island
are
feeling,
even
though
all
of
us
couldn't
come
here
and
talk
for
over
two
hours
tonight,
no
more
build
in
fill.
Please
stop
the
insanity.
AM
Hi
City
Council
unfulfilled
Dustin,
quick
update
on
change.org
petition
to
save
River
Road
3
7
3701
people
have
signed
that
petition
in
the
last
year.
How
many
people
here
are
here
because
of
the
drones
Island
issue
just
stand
up:
let's
show
people
who's
here
we
vote
what
I'd
like
to
say
about
Riverrun
is
why
on
earth
would
we
put
homes
in
harm's
way?
Why
would
we
build
on
the
Delta
of
a
river
that
we
know
already
floods?
Is
it
ignorance?
Is
it
stupidity?
Is
it
greed
whose
idea
was
it
Charleston
has
enough
problems
already?
AM
AA
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen
and
council
I'm
Thomas
Legree
I'm,
a
lifelong
resident
of
John's
on
my
family,
has
been
on
that
island
for
over
300
years.
I
came
here
tonight
to
speak
to
y'all
against
Oakville,
but
it
got
pulled
off
the
agenda,
so
I
think
I'll
speak
on
the
annexation.
It
got
pulled
off
the
agenda
an
hour
before
the
meeting
it
got
pulled
off
the
agenda.
I
got
a
text
on
the
way
over.
Here
it
was
pulled
off
the
agenda.
AA
I'm
a
little
upset
about
that
and
I
was
what
I
want
to
speak
to
you
tonight
about
I.
Think
is
a
very
poor
procedure
for
the
city
of
Charleston
to
allow
developers
to
put
something
on
the
agenda.
People
to
take
time
off
from
work,
get
babysitters
not
being
able
to
spend
time
with
their
families
and
come
down
here
to
speak
about
a
thing
in
three
hours
and
four
hours
before
an
hour
before
something
gets
pulled
off
the
agenda.
That
is
something
that
needs
to
change.
AA
You
saw
how
many
of
these
people
stood
up
to
speak
about
this.
Just
now
many
of
you
on
City
Council,
have
spoken
to
us
and
said
get
the
word
out.
We're
gonna
be
West,
absolutely
be
the
perfect
opportunity,
and
this
is
a
great
facility,
we're
close
to
John's
on
there's
plenty
of
parking.
There's
plenty
of
seating
for
everybody.
Unlike
City
Hall,
you
gave
us
the
opportunity
to
come
here
and
speak,
but
we
will
not
get
the
chance
to
speak
tonight
because
of
the
poor
procedure.
Y'all
have
with
that.
Thank
you.
AN
Appreciate
the
opportunity,
unlike
Thomas
I,
don't
have
expectations
from
this
counsel.
I've
been
involved
with
the
city
of
Charleston
21
years,
I
have
property
on
James
Island,
John's,
Island,
West,
Ashley
I've,
never
been
so
embarrassed
by
counsel.
In
my
life
you
don't
listen
to
the
public,
don't
listen
to
the
people
and
you
continually
over
and
over
do
things
that
put
us
in
harm's
way.
I've
had
a
house
that
flooded
I've
had
a
commercial
building
that
flooded
and
been
in
my
family
50
years
and
never
flooded.
I
think
y'all
are
an
embarrassment.
AN
AO
Just
My
Luck,
okay,
my
name
is
Mary.
Bull
and
I
live
in
the
county
part
of
John's
Island,
but
everything
you
do
affects
my
life
from
the
city
of
John's,
Island
I
said:
y'all
need
mail,
I
didn't
know,
I
was
going
to
be
able
to
get
off
work
to
be
here,
I
hope,
y'all
read
it
so
I'm
not
going
to
touch
on
this
too
much
other
than
I
appreciate
that
you
were
here.
It
only
took
me
40
minutes
to
get
here
versus
the
55
minutes.
It
usually
takes
to
get
downtown.
AO
Please
try
to
get
a
meeting
on
John's
Island.
If
you
want
John's
Island
people,
there
I'm
very
disappointed.
You
had
to
put
a
security
thing
up
there
for
people
to
come
in
here.
That
is
scary,
that
is
scary
and
I.
Don't
know
if
it's
because
John's
Island
was
on
the
thing,
but
that's
what
people
are
talking.
That
is
sad.
AO
E
AO
H
Good
evening,
Leah
Farrell
with
the
Preservation
Society
of
Charleston
we're
pleased
that
this
annexation
and
PUD
has
been
deferred
tonight,
but
we'd
still
like
to
raise
concern
not
only
with
the
project,
obviously,
as
the
residents
are
raising,
but
also
with
the
public
process.
You
know
this
obviously
was
brought
to
our
attention
when
a
lot
of
the
residents,
obviously
the
same
as
you
started,
getting
really
concerned
over
it.
It's
just
been
a
couple
of
days.
You
know
this
is
a
large-scale
project
with
major
implications,
and
this
just
does
not
speak
to
a
good
public
process.
H
It
almost
feels
like
it's
trying
to
preclude
the
public
participation
and
we
know
that's
not
the
intent,
but
that
is
certainly
how
the
sentiment
is
filled
when
it
kind
of
when
it
happens
like
this
just
a
couple
days
before
City
Council,
and
then
things
are
changing.
You
know
we
want
the
public
to
be
engaged
on
this
and
speak
to
their
community
and
help
shape
our
city.
So
we
have
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
do
that
and
then
just
really
quickly
to
echo
the
concerns
of
the
residents
of
John's
Island.
H
It
is
concerning
to
even
be
considering
another
project
in
a
flood
prone
area.
We
really
you
know
we're
happy
we're
all
having
the
same
conversations.
We
need
to
stop
filling
in
our
wetlands
and
removing
the
natural
flood
infrastructure.
If
we're
going
to
grow
as
a
city,
we
need
to
build
better.
Thank
you.
AP
Good
evening
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
come
and
speak,
this
is
a
great
facility
to
do
that
and
I
appreciate
it.
I
happen
to
own
property
on
John's
Island
and
lived
there
since
I
became
an
adult
I
now
live
on
James
Island
and
the
problem
with
the
filling
and
building
and
then
further
down
the
river.
You
have
problems
last
night,
it
was
a
great
show
and
I
talked
during
the
Dutch
conversation,
and
it
was
they
said
it
a
couple
of
people,
the
woman
that
was
there,
you
don't
have
to
be
a
doctor.
AP
You
don't
have
to
be
an
engineer
to
understand
that
when
you
fill
in
the
marsh
area
that
shouldn't
be
built
on
and
you
fill
it
in
and
start
building
on
it,
you're
gonna
create
a
problem.
Every
other
places
just
like
what
happened
on
Church
Creek
I
live
on
the
divider
between
Church
Creek
and
Boca
cat
Creek,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
water
and
I
own
property.
On
Burton
Creek
today,
I
appreciate
y'all,
listening
I
do
get
to
vote
for
you,
some
of
you,
even
though
I'm
own
property
in
the
county
I
want.
E
AQ
Thank
you.
My
name
is
sherry
or
when
I
actually
live
in
West
Ashley,
but
I'm
here
to
ask
you
to
please
vote
no
on
the
annexation
on
John's
Island.
You
use
our
tax
dollars
with
the
FEMA
buybacks,
because
the
problems
caused
by
the
city
over
building
in
the
first
place.
You
cannot
build
on
Delta,
as
I
talked
to
the
gentleman
last
night
it
with
a
Dutch
company
and
he
was
asked
flat
out
by
another
woman.
What
do
you
suggest
for
John's
Island
said?
AQ
Stop
building
you
can't
continue
to
build
you're
gonna
make
flooding
works
not
only
on
John's
Island,
but
it's
going
to
come
down
stream
here
and
you're
going
to
make
the
church
Creek
Basin
even
worse.
So
it's
not
just
gonna
affect
the
folks
on
John's,
Island
and
you're,
destroying
the
beauty
of
the
low
country.
It's
you
know.
These
are
God's
sponges
that
we
need
and,
as
I
said,
they've
said
you
can't
build
on
this.
They've
done
soil
samples
and
stuff,
and
we
have
to
stop
doing
this.
AQ
AR
Good
evening
my
name
is
Debbie.
Mims
I
live
at
2762
cemetery's
Boulevard
on
John's
Island,
which
is
in
the
city
and
I
own
property
on
River
Road,
which
is
in
the
county,
not
River,
Road
ice,
BOHICA
Road
and
it's
in
the
county.
So
I
do
vote,
and
so
does
my
husband
and
so
does
the
rest
of
my
family
I'm
here
to
urge
you
to
not
approve
the
PUD
and
to
not
annex
any
additional
property.
Since
this
will
allow
for
denser
development.
AR
It
will
also
include
marshland
in
developer
a
developable
property
which
will
put
owners
of
the
new
homes
at
risk
for
storm
surge,
and
it
will
also
develop
act
as
a
dam
and
push
flood
waters
into
existing
neighboring
properties.
I
can
speak
to
the
flooding
of
neighboring
properties
because
you
guys
approved
a
property
to
be
built
in
between.
AR
Offer
Browns
wood
road
next
to
the
summer,
trees
development
I
live
in
summer
trees.
The
people
across
the
street
from
me
never
had
flooding.
When
we
had
cars
there
now
that
they
have
filled
in
the
land
after
they
stripped
it
of
trees
and
stripped
off
the
topsoil.
Everybody
who
lived
across
the
street
from
these
property
floods
every
time
it
rains
and
the
flooding
comes
into
the
street
and
time
pushes
everything
into
the
sewer
which
affects
the
rest
of
the
marine
life.
So
once
again,
no
pun,
no
annexation.
I
vote
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
J
AS
Good
evening,
I'm
Katherine
Pogue
I'm,
a
resident
of
John's
Island,
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
and
council
members
for
listening
to
the
public
input
last
night
I
had
the
pleasure
of
attending
the
meeting
with
the
many
experts
who
are
part
of
the
Dutch
dialogue
progress
our
project.
It's
an
amazing
group
of
individuals
with
wealth
of
knowledge
and
experience.
If
the
city
truly
wants
to
solve
the
flooding
issue,
the
council
must
be
willing
to
listen
to
the
ideas
that
are
put
forth
and
to
act
on
them.
AS
Z
AT
AT
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
what
has
been
presented
to
council,
the
burdened
Creek
was
mechanically
dug
by
Charleston
County
government
over
50
years
ago,
when
it
was
legal
to
dig
in
the
marsh.
Since
then,
County
coastal
council
has
continuously
moved
the
distance
from
the
river
that
can
be
maintained.
It
has
been
moved
in
over
a
mile.
All
of
the
properties
that
have
recently
been
constructed
at
the
end
of
cane
slash
Road
have
to
drain
in
to
the
burden.
Creek
we're
talking
about
an
area
greater
than
five
square
miles.
AT
Nothing
has
been
done
to
alleviate
the
massive
amount
of
impermeable.
This
is
rooftops.
Sidewalks,
driveways,
okay,
43,000
square
feet,
one
inch
of
rain
times,
I,
don't
even
know
how
I
requested
the
County
Council
and
the
secretary
defer
for
the
time
it
took
me
to
bring
them
the
evidence.
There
has
been
no
effort
to
increase
the
drainage.
We
cannot
maintain
what
we
have.
There
hasn't
been
no
new
drainage
added
the
soil
at
Oak
Vale,
which
is
the
correct
name
for
the
property
in
question
Oakville,
which
is
where
mr.
Burdon
develops
the
Island
cotton
time.
Z
AT
A
heavy
clay
it
is
already
impermeable
is
a
vertical
drainage.
It
is
not
an
alluvial
sandy
soil.
It
is
a
bold
any
construction
in
there
of
more
impermeable
ground
covering
is
going
to
grossly
increase
the
amount
of
water
that
is
being
put
into
the
burden,
Creek
drainage
and
it
has
no
choice
but
to
back
up
and
flood
I
would
beg
the
City
Council
to
be
brave
and
again
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
stop
the
madness,
but
let's
put
the
brakes
on
it.
AT
AU
Hello,
my
name
is
Anna
Zimmerman
I'm,
a
flooded
out
resident,
100%
responsibility
of
the
city
of
Charleston
I'm.
Here
today,
like
many
other
people
that
we
are
extremely
concerned
about
our
city
being
ruined
extremely
concerned.
We
are
extremely
concerned
about
the
FEMA
violations
that
are
going
on
and
we
will
not
stop
until
families
can
be
made
whole
and
families
no
family
should
ever
have
to
go
through
having
a
house
flooded
out
by
the
city
of
Charleston.
Z
AV
Hello,
my
name
is
Willis
Tanner
live
at
39
41,
Mary,
Anne,
Point,
Road,
John's
Island
I
would
like
to
humbly
echo
the
voice
of
people
concerned
about
the
African
American
Museum
and
how
it
is
being
curated
and
who
is
involved
in
that
we
have
actual
living
beautiful
heroes
and
descendants
here
in
our
town
and
so
Legree
all
around
the
city
of
Charleston,
who
should
be
spoken
to,
and
this
museum
should
be
laid
out
their
feet.
I
also
wanted
to
echo
humbly
the
voice
of
taking
down
heroes
that
perpetuate
hate
and
slavery.
AV
I
also
want
to
echo
the
voice
that
at
John's
Island
has
real
flooding
issues
and
creeks
and
the
nature
of
water
anytime.
We
go
against
the
nature
of
water,
we're
just
setting
ourselves
up
for
more
irresponsibility
and
more
problems.
I
also
would
like
to
consider
the
fact
that,
as
the
second
largest
island
landmass
island
on
the
East
Coast,
we
have
no
more
public
access
to
water
and
so
as
we
except
for
under
the
Limehouse
bridge.
AV
AW
AX
I'm
Wilma
a
Frasier
and
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
concerned.
Citizens
want
excellence
at
I.
Am
our
international
african-american
museum
I'd
like
to
echo
the
remarks
that
were
made
earlier
by
persons
who
have
spoken
in
favor
of
City
Council,
deferring
action
on
any
contracts
until
these
matters
have
been
dealt
with?
AX
We
have
received
in
17
years
only
lip
service
from
the
Executive
Board
of
the
I
am
no
real
attempt
to
communicate
not
to
solicit
information
from
the
citizenry,
particularly
the
citizenry,
that
is
african-american
and
which
has
the
human
rights
based
a
responsibility
and
right
to
protect
its
own
history.
This
is
why
I
am
here.
We
cannot
have
a
museum
established
by
the
city
of
Charleston,
which
is
giving
both
land
and
the
material
resources
which
simply
sanctifies
our
our
enslavement.
AX
We
have
a
long
line
the
longest
history
of
any
people
on
earth
and
I
think
that
history
deserves
due
consideration,
particularly
the
Shango
bone,
exhibit
which
sets
up
our
identity
with
the
founding
of
mathematics,
science
and
technology.
If
we
want
young
people
to
grow
up
educated,
we
have
to
educate
them.
Thank
you.
AY
My
name
is
Julie
Hallman
I
live
at
403,
Carroll
Street
on
James,
Island
and
I'm
here
for
the
deferred
PUD
for
John's
Island
I'm
here
to
ask
the
city
to
stop
approving
high-density
housing
for
our
sea
islands.
I'd
like
to
echo
what
councilman
seeking
said
about
the
development
on
the
number
1
of
the
agenda
on
hugie
Street
climate
change
is
here:
scientists
are
predicting
stronger
storms
and
more
rain
events
than
we
have
ever
seen
before.
AY
M
How
much
tonight
we're
a
little
bit
unorthodox,
but
what
I'll
say
about
that
is
that
I
can
tell
that
these
people,
especially
on
John's
Island.
They
really
really
really
care
very
much
so
they're
very
United
I
mean
not
it's
amazing
when
we
have
that
many
people
come
out
for
one
topic
and
the
reason
why
I
asked
to
grab
the
mic.
M
They
haven't
even
met
since
November
of
last
year
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
that,
because
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
with
this
deferral
I
said
well.
Maybe
we
can
bring
this
to
the
next
John's
Island
growth
management
committee
meeting
and
they
said.
Oh,
we
haven't
met
in
a
year,
so
I'm
very,
very
concerned
about
that.
I
did
not
say
that
I
said
shoot.
I
do
have
five
dollars
if
I
need
to
put
it
in
there,
though,
but
I.
M
Just
all
I'm
saying
is
I
think
that
we
need
to
re-establish
some
more
meetings
on
John's
Island,
because
they
really
really
care
and
they're
very,
very
worried,
and
we've
got
to
find
a
way
to
to
have
that
committee
meet
again
because
I
thought
that
committee
was
a
great
great
idea
and
I
just
wish
it
would
come
to
fruition
more.
Thank.
B
You
and
thank
you
all
for
coming
out
tonight
and
sharing
your
thoughts
and
concerns,
and
admittedly,
an
applicant
does
have
the
right
to
withdraw
defer
a
matter
that
they've
presented
to
Council.
They
do
have
that
legal
right,
but
it
doesn't
prevent
us
from
listening
to
you
and
you
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
we
were
listening.
So
thank
you
for
being
with
us
tonight.
So
next
is
our
petitions
and
communications
I
already
handled
a
letter
I
a
next
we'll
proceed
with
B,
C,
D
and
E,
which
is
our
Commission
appointments.
B
B
B
AB
B
M
Last
time
we
had
the
Planning
Commission
appointments
come
up.
I
asked
that
we
look
into
a
matter
and
I'm
wondering
if
our
staff
ever
did
regarding
that
we
deferred
it
because
of
a
specific
reason
to
be
with
one
of
the
reappointments
and
I'm
wondering
if
our
staff
ever
looked
into
that
occurrence,
because
I
don't
still
don't
think
we
should
approve
this
if
they
have
not
well.
B
L
AZ
I
I've
got
a
little
bit
of
a
problem.
I'm
gonna
probably
vote
to
do
this,
but
I
know
the
two
that
are
up
for
reappointment.
We
have
a
long-standing
requirement
that
these
people
attend
these
classes
and
and
these
two
have
not
attended
those
classes
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
should
delay
the
appointment
of
those
two
two.
Maybe
the
next
meeting
to
give
them
a
chance
to
do
that
before
we
vote
them
in,
they
should
have
done
it.
B
L
BA
Those
opportunities
come
up
on
a
regular
basis,
but
they
don't
happen
every
week.
There
typically
are
a
bi-monthly,
you
know
event
overall,
so
the
next
one
I
don't
know
the
exact
date,
but
it
would
be
something
that
would
occur
over
the
next
month
to
month
and
a
half
and
they
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
do
those
things
immediately.
However,
we
always
take
the
chance
to
inform
our
commission
members
when
opportunities
for
continuing
education
take
place
and
we'll
be
sure
to
do
that.
When
the
next
available
opportunity
happens,
it
should
be
within
the
next
month.
AZ
BA
Member
the
are
supposed
to
keep
their
records
current
in
terms
of
their
their
accreditation,
and
we
did
submit
those
the
information
to
Council
at
the
last
meeting.
I,
don't
have
it
right
in
front
of
me
at
the
moment,
but
we
will
own,
as
we've
clearly
heard
from
Council,
take
every
opportunity
to
stridently
insist
that
all
of
our
members
meet
their
continuing
education
requirements,
as
you
all
have
requested.
BA
AZ
AZ
E
AZ
AZ
B
O
O
Agree
with
the
motion,
but
I
think
are
we
gonna
defer
to
other
two
I
think
the
other
put
some
still
little
stipulations
on
it.
We
deferred
and
if
they
don't
get
their
continuing
ed
by
the
next
opportunity,
then
they
ought
to
be
off.
The
Commission
they've
had
plenty
of
opportunity
to
get.
They
see
II.
Frankly,
they've
been
slack
they're
good
commissioners
I've
served
with
them
good
commissioners,
but
you
got
to
get
you
see
if
I
don't
get
my
seat,
I'll
lose
my
license
and
take
the
designation.
I
cannot
make
a
living.
O
E
L
O
B
Further
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
he
opposed
the
eyes
habit.
So
next
are
our
council
communications.
First
up
as
a
request
by
council
member
wearing
the
state
attorney
general
provided
written
opinion
regarding
a
manner
with
coincidentally,
the
Planning
Commission
council
member
wearing
and.
O
This
council
has
voted
four
times
in
less
than
three
years
to
change
the
oval
ride
policy
on
the
Planning
Commission,
just
to
restate
it
if
the
Planning
Commission
denies
something
and
it
comes
forward
to
City
Council,
it
takes
75%
of
the
total
council
and
mayor.
In
other
words,
you
have
to
get
10
out
of
13
voters,
not
75%
of
a
quorum,
not
two-thirds
of
a
quorum
like
we
have
on
the
national
level,
like
we
have
on
the
state
level,
75%
that
rule
was
put
in
place
during
the
Jim
Crow
era.
O
In
my
opinion,
that's
wrong:
there's
not
a
single
piece
of
business
in
the
city
of
Charleston
that
we
cannot
do
with
a
majority
vote
to
pass
this
budget,
which
is
a
little
over
200
million
dollar
annual
budget.
It
takes
seven
votes
as
a
matter
of
fact,
you
can
do
it
with
less
than
that.
We
have
to
have
a
quorum
and
once
we
achieve
a
quorum
and
we
can
have
a
Croma
as
little
as
seven
full
votes
can
pass
the
annual
budget.
O
But
we
cannot
override
a
commission
that
we
appoint
a
voluntary
commission
which
may
affect
we
disappointed
a
person
tonight
if
that
person
were
to
have
a
quorum
at
the
Planning
Commission,
the
nine
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
that
there
were
five
of
them
there
and
three
of
them
were
to
vote
in
the
negative
on
an
issue.
When
it
comes
forward.
The
City
Council
is
going
to
take
ten
out
of
a
13
to
override
that
that's
a
terrible
governance
structure.
O
It
was
put
in
place
in
the
30s
to
benefit
be
influenced,
certainly
wasn't
put
in
place
in
the
30s
to
benefit
the
people
who
don't
have
a
voice.
So
I
am
asking
my
colleagues
on
council
that
we
write
the
state
attorney
general
now
I
understand,
I,
respect
those
who
may
not
want
to
do
this,
but
put
together
a
letter
asking
we've
been
told
by
our
staff.
O
Is
state
law
I
doubt
that
and
I'll
tell
you
why
I
have
doubt
in
that
particular
part
of
the
advice,
because
state
law
cannot
apply
one
way
in
Greenville
another
way
in
Columbia
still
yet
someplace
different
in
North,
Charleston,
mom,
pleasant
and
then
come
to
Charleston,
and
we
have
this
seventy
five
percent
rule.
North
Charleston
has
a
simple
majority
override
that
council
has
to
common
North
Charleston
to
override
their
Planning
Commission
and
month
Pleasant.
They
have
a
simple
majority
of
council
to
override
a
negative
decision
on
their
Planning
Commission.
O
There
same
thing
in
Greenville
same
thing
in
Columbia,
but
in
Charleston
again
it
takes
10
out
of
13
votes.
So
I
like
to
ask
the
State
Attorney
General,
who,
as
it
saying
state
law,
then
an
elected
City
Council,
cannot
change
the
governor's
procedures
of
frankly
to
override
procedure
of
a
voluntary
appointed
Planning
Commission
and
that's
the
question
to
go
before
the
State
Attorney
General
and
certainly
will
sit
back
and
wait
on
his
ruling.
So
that's
the
reason
for
this
and
I'd
like
to
put
that
as
a
motion.
N
Mo
wearing
I
certainly
applaud
you
for
your
effort,
but
you
know
people
over
influence
in
this
city
influences
our
staff
and
some
of
our
council
members
not
to
vote
for
this.
But
if
you
look
at
it,
we
are
the
elected
officials
who
are
linked
to
serve
the
people
of
this
city.
Now,
when
twelve
elected
official
for
over
ruled
by
nine
people
that
we
appointed
something
wrong.
N
But
if
you
read
the
Municipal
Association
of
South,
Carolina
handbook
and
say
all
the
all
powers
of
City
Council
lies
with
the
members
of
City
Council,
so
we
have
the
power,
according
to
the
Municipal
Association
handbook,
to
make
any
ordinance
that
we
want
by
the
changing
a
rule.
I,
don't
understand
why
we're
being
told
time
after
time,
by
hours
attorneys,
then
we
cannot
change
the
ordinance
to
make
it
possible
for
seven
votes
to
overrule
any
decision
that
the
Planning
Commission
make.
Something
is
wrong,
definitely
wrong.
N
B
O
You,
mr.
Mia,
the
issue
is
free
board
plus
two.
We
had
a
first
reading
that
came
before
council.
That
basically
said
for
those
in
the
room
with
that
and
understand,
free
board.
Free
board
has
actually
mean
level
of
flooding,
for
FEMA
is
thirteen
and
a
half
feet.
Currently
the
city
of
Charleston
is
FEMA,
plus
one,
which
means
your
elevation,
which
should
be
fourteen
and
a
half
feet
and
there's
a
proposal
to
go
to
fifteen
and
a
half
and
having
a
discussion.
O
I
voted
for
FEMA,
plus
one
I
did
not
realize
at
the
time
of
that
vote.
That
was
in
2015
that
if
a
person
were
to
staying,
sustained,
50%
or
more
damage
to
their
home
or
non-residential
property
that,
in
addition
to
repairing
that
house
or
non-residential
property,
you're
gonna
have
to
raise
your
house.
In
this
case,
let's
just
say
you
were
at
FEMA
thirteen
point.
Six
you're
gonna
have
to
raise
it
to
fourteen
and
a
half.
You
can
freeze
it.
A
foot
now
they've
been
all
kind
of
information
put
out
on
that
in
the
press.
O
O
O
That
is
a
financial
burden
that
the
local
government
is
putting
on
to
its
citizenry
and
we
don't
even
know
how
much
that's
gonna
cost
and
then
the
solution
to
it,
some
has
said,
is
to
apply
to
FEMA
for
$30,000
grant
now
think
about
this.
This
is
a
municipal
requirement
and
we're
telling
our
citizens,
because
we
can't
fund
it.
It's
an
unfunded
mandate,
go
to
the
federal
government
to
pay
for
a
rule
that
your
city
government
paid
for
now.
O
If
that
were
to
happen
in
mass
I,
just
don't
see
the
federal
government
step
enough
to
do
that
and
in
particular,
if
it
happens
as
an
individual,
because
anytime,
you
sustain
fifty
percent
more
damage
to
your.
In
particular,
where
you
live,
it
is
a
tragedy
rather
singularly
in
the
case
of
a
fire,
or
certainly
what
a
super
storm
that
subject
to
come
through
it's
an
election
year
and
flooding
is
gonna
ride.
Some
people
in
office
in
some
cases
are
won't,
but
the
fact
is:
I
asked
our
floodplain
manager
today
and
our
public
works,
meaning.
O
How
does
how
do
they
determine
the
value
of
a
house?
Well,
first,
they
look
at
the
assessed
value
and
if
you
disagree
with
the
assessed
value,
then
you
can
call
the
homeowner
can
go
all
property
owner
and
get
their
own
appraisal
and
keep
in
mind
the
value
the
property
is
subtracted
from
that
assessed
value.
So,
hypothetically,
you
have
a
house,
that's
assessed
at
150
thousand
and
I've
got
thousands
of
home
in
the
district
that
I
represent.
It's
assessed
at
100,
certainly
less
than
200
thousand.
O
If
you
back
out
the
value
of
the
lot-
and
let's
say
the
value,
is
a
lot
to
make
the
math
easy
on
150
thousand
dollar
home,
let's
say
it's
50
thousand
dollars
if
you
sustain
51
thousand
dollars
in
damage
and
it
addition
to
repairing
at
home,
you're
gonna
have
to
raise
it,
and
we
call
that
FEMA
plus
two
I
had
a
couple
of
reporters
calling
me
about
that.
I
also
had
a
cup
of
folk
from
the
television
to
come,
and
interview
of
me
about
that
and
I
asked
a
question
to
them.
O
O
So,
in
pulling
this
referendum
question
on
the
ballot,
I
think
we
ought
to
change
the
ordinance
to
say
I'll
change
the
question
that
goes
on
the
ballot
to
say
an
ordinance
to
raise
residential
and
non
residential
properties
as
a
result
of
some
substantial
damage
of
50
percent
or
more,
and
we
can
put
freeboard
plus
2
in
parentheses,
to
many
people
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
Simply
do
not
know
what
freeboard
plus
2
means.
O
I
was
having
a
comment
with
Councilman
moody
on
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
I
said:
I
bet,
some
people
think
you
know
just
like
we
had
Freedman
cottages
I
think
some
people
think
that
goes
back
to
a
period
of
time.
Post
slavery,
freedmen
something
but
actually
deals
with.
In
most
cases,
the
largest
asset
that
most
people
have
would
be
their
home.
O
This
being
on
the
ballot,
I
think
is
going
to
create
the
Dutch
dialogue.
Certainly
it's
going
to
create
conversations
this
being
on
the
ballot
is
going
to
create
conversations,
the
amendment
that
I
put
on
and
council
voted,
and
the
majority
of
the
second
reading
was
to
carve
out
houses
that
sustained
50%
more
of
damage
due
to
anything
other
than
flooding.
Now,
if
you
flood,
you
got
to
raise
your
house
in
addition
to
fix
it
up,
if
not,
you
should
be
able
to
repair
your
house
in
place
and
anybody
who
was
here
doing
Hugo.
O
We
remember
the
devastation
that
a
lot
of
houses
cysteine
and
it
wasn't
from
flooding.
It
was
from
roofs
being
torn
off
trees
coming
through
roofs,
etc.
Think
of
the
people
that
were
able
to
repair
their
homes
in
place
that
if
this
rule
were
in
place
in
1989,
they
couldn't
have
moved
back
in
because
they
wouldn't
have
the
money
to
do
it
and
there's
one
bigger
mission
in
this
whole
discussion
that
we're
having
we
all
talk
about
the
discount,
potentially
on
flood
insurance,
nobody's
talking
about
the
increase
on
your
homeowners
coverage.
O
If
you
have
to
increase
the
building
code
to
repair
fire
to
raise
your
house
during
a
fire
after
a
fire
or
after
tornado
or
after
a
damage
from
hurricane
or,
like
I,
said
Formosan
termites.
If
that
building
code
requirement
goes
up,
your
homeowners
coverage
is
going
to
increase
because
the
payout
from
the
insurer
would
have
to
increase.
There's
too
many
moving
parts
to
this
at
the
public
and
I.
O
Think
in
a
purposeful
way
has
not
been
told
so
I
I
do
this,
because
certainly
the
easy
thing
to
do
would
be:
let's
have
the
third
reading,
but
let's
put
this
on
the
ballot,
so
we
can
get
more
citizens
in
the
city
of
Charleston
involved.
With
the
discussion
of
if
I
raise
my
home,
how
much
is
that
going
to
cost
me?
We
have
articles
in
the
paper
that
started
out
saying
between
one
thousand
and
twenty
four
hundred
dollars
to
raise
a
home.
O
That's
too
disconnected
from
the
foundation
disconnect
the
plumbing
disconnect
Electrical
just
to
disconnect
HVAC
raise
that
house,
and
when
you
raise
the
house
it's
gone
shift.
So
the
drywall
is
going
to
crack.
You
got
to
repair
all
of
that.
Come
back
reconnect
the
HVAC
reconnect,
the
plumbing
reconnect,
the
electrical
reconnect,
the
foundation,
no
I
guess
get
a
brick
mason,
or
something
to
show
up
that
two
feet
that
you
took
it
up.
You
increased
it.
O
This
is
just
too
important
to
put
through
in
a
political
hole.
Those
who
are
for
febrile,
plus
two
on
all
circumstances,
certainly
need
to
state.
They
case
those
that
want
to
protect
people
who
run
into
substantial
damage
and
I,
say
again,
you
know,
I'm,
not
gonna,
run
into
substantial
damage.
Without
it
being
a
tragedy,
they
shouldn't
have
to
fish
should
be
able
to
repair
their
homes
in
place.
So
that's
the
question,
not
free
board,
plus
two.
We
can
put
free
oil
plus
two
in
parenthesis,
but
the
first
reading
would
be
a
question.
O
Do
you
want
to
do
it
that
way?
Or
do
you
favor,
raising
the
house
and
carving
out
substantial
damage
for
any
other
reason,
accepting
flooding?
Aren't
we
all
in
unison
s--
when
it
comes
to
new
construction
going
to
fever
over
plus
to
the
problem
has
been
existing
houses?
And
it's
the
older
houses-
that's
gonna
in
particular.
Be
punitive
I
asked
the
chamber
who
got
in
contact
with
the
Council
of
Governments
just
to
get
the
number
the
value
of
the
building
permits
on
new
construction
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
O
They
did
it
for
two
years
for
2017
and
2018.
That's
that
since
freeboard
plus
one
it's
not
quite
two
and
a
half
billion
dollars
about
two
point:
three
billion
dollars
worth
of
new
construction:
that's
by
permit
not
appraised
value!
That's
just
about
the
permits
that
were
issued
in
the
city
of
Charleston
over
those
two
years
now,
just
think
about
it.
If
either
one
of
those
properties
were
sustained,
they
already
had
14
and
a
half
if
they
were
sustained,
50%
or
more
damaged
a
2,000
square
foot
house
that
was
built
in
2016.
O
It's
gonna
cost
$2,000
thousand
of
2400
hundred
dollars
to
raise
twelve
inches.
That's
just
factually
wrong
and
to
put
that
out
to
the
public
should
be
criminal.
So
that's
I
appreciate
the
time
that
you
all
have
a
lot
of
me
on
this,
but
I
think
we.
If
we
were
to
put
this
on
the
ballot
I
think
citizens
will
be
asking
a
lot
of
questions
of
the
mayor
and
certainly
all
12
of
us,
and
rightly
so,
Thank
You
mr.
mayor.
M
Counts,
remember:
wearing
you've
had
a
lot
of
good
ideas
over
the
years,
but
this
might
be
your
best
one.
How
could
we,
as
13
people,
make
a
decision?
That's
going
to
impact
people
financially
a
hundred
and
thirty
hundred
and
forty
thousand
people?
You
know
this
would
be
a
pretty
pretty
drastic
situation
and
I.
Don't
think
this
should
be
in
our
hands,
it
should
be
in
the
citizens
of
Charleston,
but
one
thing:
I'll
say
that
I'd
like
to
see
happen
as
if
this
did
go
on
the
ballot.
M
This
November
I
would
like
our
city
to
have
a
couple
of
workshops
or
learning
sessions.
So
people
actually
know
what
they're
voting
on
because
far
too
often
you
see
referendums
in
the
ballot
box,
you
go.
You
have
people
that
may
tell
you,
oh,
you
should
vote
this
way
or
that
way.
But
if
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
are
educated,
then
we
set
up
some
workshops.
M
B
M
AH
Just
explain
the
addition
of
the
third
item
when
we
became
aware
of
councilmember
Waring's
request
for
the
second
item.
The
legal
department
looked
into
it
as
far
as
the
timing
goes
for
adding
a
referendum
question
to
the
ballot
and
that
deadline
deadline
is
going
to
be
August,
the
15th
which
is
prior
to
our
August
20th
meeting,
and
so
this
would
be
our
last
opportunity
for
a
regularly
scheduled
meeting
in
order
to
pass
that
unless
we
want
to
call
a
special
meeting
in
between
now
and
August
15th.
AH
Q
M
O
Are
you
in
favor
that
and
as
the
amendment
has
suggested,
carving
out
houses
that
sustained
substantial
damage
accepting
flooding?
In
other
words,
if
you
have
it
for
any
other
reason
than
flooding,
you
can
fix
your
house
in
place.
If
not,
then
you
know,
then
you
have
to
jack
it
up.
If
you
did
it
because
of
flooding.
B
AH
AH
AH
AB
AH
O
Councilman
Griffin
came
up
with
a
good
idea.
We're
gonna
have
a
committee
meeting
on
the
28th
next
week,
the
25th.
That's
a
committee
to
hold
so
we're
gonna,
be
there
together
that
give
us
some
time
between
now
and
then
work
out
the
wording
on
it,
and
we
could
add
that
onto
the
end
of
the
audit
committee,
that.
AH
Sounds
good
I
think
you
know
as
far
as
the
legal
part
of
it
goes,
I
feel
like
I
have
a
good
handle
on
the
resolution,
but
I
did
work
very
closely
with
our
stormwater
team
on
the
language
that
would
need
to
be
in
there,
because
you
know
it's
hard
to
make
sure
that
all
the
definitions
are
addressed
for
the
general
public.
A
lot
of
this
is
very
technical,
so
it
would
be
good
to
work
it
out
with
them
as
well.
Okay,.
BB
We'll
have
the
special
council
meeting
I
guess
after
the
Audit
Committee
meeting,
but
if
we,
if
you
all
have
some
hour
before
or
whatever's
convenient,
but
if
we
you
could
have
your
proposed
language
to
us
in
advance
of
that
meeting.
So
we
have
an
opportunity
to
review
it
and
circulate
it
with
everyone
and
I
think
that
might
be
hopefully.
L
A
A
The
other,
the
other
question
I
guess
I
had
was
maybe
councilmen
wearing
it.
Wouldn't
it
with
the
language,
be
too
confusing.
If
we
put
instead
of
using
free
board
two
feet
above
base
flood
elevation,
now
I
know
it's
still
confusing,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
gonna
know
what
base
flood
elevation
is,
but
it
may
I,
don't
know
you
know
I'm,
just
trying
to
think
of
an
easier
way
for
people
to
understand
it.
So.
B
Z
M
Do
you
support
the
City
Council?
Yes,
so
that
actually
looks
a
lot
better
and
I.
Don't
think
you're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
Corrections
or
revisions
that
you're
gonna
need
done.
Council
I
think
it
was
just
a
little
confusing
the
way
it
was
put
on
the
actual
agenda.
That
looks
like
a
summary
of
that.
So
all.
R
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
I
think
we
should
really
proceed
with
great
caution
here.
We've
been
talking
about
this.
A
lot
I
was
prepared
to
vote
for
third
reading
on
the
ordinance
that
we
had
I
mean
councilmember.
Griffin
said
you
know:
how
do
you
do
this
for
a
hundred
forty
thousand
people?
We
do
it
every
time
we
meet,
we
vote
for
them.
R
They
vote
for
us
to
vote
for
them
when
we
were
and
I'd
like
to
talk
to
Jacob
just
for
a
second
before
we
get
next
Thursday,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
proceeding
under
the
ordinance
that
was
before
us
is
there
were
certain
not
just
provisions
in
there,
but
there
were
certain
areas
of
the
city
that
were
going
to
be
exempted
anyway
and
under
this
ballot
provision
it
does
not
include
the
exemption
for
those
portions
of
the
city
and
I.
Can
dis
assumed
prepared
to
vote
for
my
constituents
right
now?
R
So
did
I,
make
myself
I
understand
it's
non-binding,
but
remember
how
this
works.
I
mean
once
you
get
it
out.
There
people
vote
on
it.
We
want
to
make
sure
they
know
what
they're
voting
on
and
what
the
intended
and,
more
importantly,
unintended
consequences
may
be
because
this
clearly
this
clearly
is
one
instance
where
one
size
does
not
fit
all
I
totally
agree
with
councilmember
Waring's
concerns
about
having
to
go
back
and
building
something
bigger
and
taller
than
it
was
for
reasons
you
never
anticipated.
But
again,
this
has
some
implications
that
are
beyond
that.
R
Q
Thank
you,
III
will
support
the
vote
to
defer
I
think
that's
the
best
idea
in
terms
of
having
the
time
and
the
clarity
of
what
we're
actually
going
to
be
asking
the
citizens
to
to
think
about
on
a
ballot.
To
be
honest,
my
first
reaction
to
this
was
I,
guess:
sort
of
polar
opposite
of
yours,
councilmember,
Griffin,
I
I,
do
think
that
this
kind
of
decision-making
is
why
we
are
elected,
why
we
have
our
districts
and
the
constituents
that
we
are
responsible
to
I
personally,
don't
understand
the
wisdom
of
having
an
advisory,
non-binding
referendum.
Q
What
will
we
do
when
it's?
You
know
a
close
vote
or
a
poor
vote,
or
just
to
me,
it
just
seems
to
keep
everything
sort
of
up
in
the
air
and
unclear,
and
this
is
such
a
complicated
topic
in
the
way
that
people
would
have
to
be
thinking
about
it
in
sort
of
black
and
white
terms
or
applying
it
to
their
own
home
when
they
get
to
the
ballot
box
it.
What
we've
never
really
been
able
to
talk
about
with
any
sort
of
you
know,
common
common
sense.
Q
Q
So
we're
really
talking
about
one
foot
of
difference
and
that's
what
we
were
pricing.
That
was
the
information
that
was
originally
given
to
us
about
the
additional
cost
for
raising
a
house,
one
foot
above
what
they
would
already
have
to
do
today.
I
think
we've
lost
track
of
that
and
III.
My
heart
goes
out
to
the
people
that
you're
most
concerned
about
councilmember
Waring
I
totally
admire
your
whole
reasoning.
For
wanting
to
do
this,
I
think.
Q
The
better
way
of
doing
this
is
to
is
to
establish
a
way
to
help
people
if
they
don't
have
insurance
and
they
come
across.
That
kind
of
you
know
catastrophic
occurrence
that
requires
them
to
rebuild
their
house
and
raise
it
up
to
meet
building
code.
We
can
do
that.
We
can
have
subsidies,
we
can
have.
We
can
help
people
buy
insurance.
You
know
today.
Q
It
just
doesn't
make
sense
that
we're
trying
to
legalize
something
that
is
not
going
to
happen
for
very
many
people
and
will
punish
the
people
who
work
faithfully,
paying
their
insurance
premiums
so
and
I
and
I
just
did
in
principle.
I.
Think
that
we're
being
you
know,
we
are
neglecting
a
tough
decision,
turning
it
back
on
people
who
are
going
to
be
confused
at
the
ballot
box
and
we'll
still
be
confused
when
we
get
their
answer
so
I'm.
Sorry
to
run
on
about
that.
I
would
really
like
to
have
this
discussion
again
on
the
25th.
Q
M
Remember,
ciggies
and
Jackson
I'm
glad
that
we
can
agree
to
disagree.
That's
what
makes
this
country
great,
but
you
know
the
way
I
look
at
it
is
I,
couldn't
go
to
Maryville
or
Ashley
ville
and
knock
on
somebody's
door
and
say
hey
guess
what
I
raised
your
free
I
raised
your
your
elevation
of
free
board
plus
two,
and
you
need
a
coffee
over
thousands
of
dollars.
I
couldn't
do
that.
I,
don't
feel
like
that's
my
place
to
do.
M
B
P
Mr.
mayor,
if
I
could
make
one
comment,
I'm
standing
sitting
here
with
this
young
family
in
front
of
me
and
I
just
got
to
congratulate
you.
Ma'am.
These
young
boys
have
sat
here
since
5:30
my
father
o'clock.
They
have
been
the
most
polite
young
men
and
they
have
had
to
witness
some
of
the
most
unkind
comments
directed
at
public
officials,
and
that
is
well
tell
you
why
I
appreciate
what
you've
done.
The
way
you
raise
your
children.
P
AM
B
O
L
R
M
L
R
O
BC
Thank
You
council,
mr.
Ayer,
the
second,
the
second
portion
of
the
public
utilities
meeting
we
had
a
brief
overview
of
the
forest
acres
parcel
Forest
Acres
project.
Excuse
me
particularly
talking
about
options
for
replacing
the
footbridge
on
the
existing
canal,
really
did
a
few
different
options
and
decided
to
move
forward
with
considering
a
design-build
option
is
probably
the
most
cost
efficient
approach
for
the
project.
We
also
discussed
Orleans
Road.
This
is
a
repair
and
lining
of
a
storm
water
pipe
project
on
a
pipe
failure
near
the
Citadel
mall
within
a
public
easement.
BC
This
work
is
currently
out
for
bid
we'll
be
bringing
it
to
the
next
council.
We
didn't,
hopefully
with
a
recommendation
to
award.
The
third
item
was
Lord
Calvert.
This
is
a
upsizing
of
a
failed
roadside
pipe
system.
This
is
we're
currently
finalizing
our
temporary
construction
easement
sand
having
the
project
go
out
for
bid
again
we're
hoping
to
bring
this
next
project
is
next
council
meeting
as
well
for
a
recommendation
to
award
that
construction
project.
We
discussed
the
special
protection
area
tool.
This
is
relating
back
to
our
stormwater
design
manual,
which
is
the
next
item.
BC
These
two
intermesh
together,
we
have
a
ongoing
discussion
with
the
task
force
related
to
additional
drainage
requirements
for
the
stormwater
design
standards
manual,
especially
in
areas
where
we
have
known
flooding
so
that
the
stands
here
is
to
ask
a
calm.
Is
the
program
manager
to
come
forth
with
a
proposal
which
they're
working
on
now
to
identify
the
areas
between
the
1984
study?
The
studies
we've
done
since
that
time,
and
then
knowledge
on
staff
and
the
citizenry
of
locations
where
we
have
known
flooding
or
lack
of
capacity
for
future
development?
BC
Take
those
areas
identify
them
on
a
map,
delineate
them
add
them
into
the
stormwater
manual,
with
requirements
they're
appropriate
for
areas
where
there
really
is
not
that
capacity
for
new
development
to
continue
to
add
additional
volume
of
water
into
that
into
those
basins.
We
were
then
published.
The
maps
of
developers
and
homeowners,
commercial
properties
would
all
have
that
information
available
when
they're
making
decisions
about
what
they're
going
to
do
with
their
properties.
There's
no
surprises.
BC
They
have
it
clearly
laid
out
for
them,
as
well
as
upgrading
that
section
of
the
manual
to
provide
those
extra
requirements,
so
we're
hoping
to
bring
that
proposal
as
well
to
the
next
council
meeting
for
a
recommendation
to
award.
We
then
discussed.
Scotsman
griffin
was
mentioning
the
church
Creek
projects
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
in
the
previous
meeting
at
the
National
Fish
Wildlife
Foundation
grant
was
a
$125,000
grant
with
$125,000
City
match.
That
is
in
partnership
with
the
Nature
Conservancy
and
Clemson
extension.
BC
That
grant
is
looking
at
what
to
do
with
the
buyout
properties
in
the
church.
Creek
watershed
to
say
what
can
we
do
other
than
have
them
be
grass
fields.
My
grass
fields
is
an
improvement
already
from
a
flooding
structure,
but
let's
see
if
we
can
bring
in
either
Li
D
BMPs,
whether
it's
a
rain
garden,
whether
it's
a
naturalized
wetland
and
a
larger
parcel
in
urban
forests,
try
to
say
what
can
you
do?
BC
So
that's
that's
the
first
section
of
what
we've
been
doing
on
Church
Creek,
which
we'll
talk
about
the
bio
it's
in
a
in
a
second
the
demolition
status.
On
that
we
also
have
the
Hickory
Farms
diversion
channel
project
that
has
been
submitted
to
TRC
for
permit
approvals.
We
are
finalizing
the
right-of-way,
sorry,
the
easement
of
right-of-way
acquisition
for
that
parcel
as
well
based
on
those
permit
applications.
BC
We've
also
identified
three
additional
projects
at
this
point
that
are
potentially
ready
to
move
forward
that
we
are
looking
at.
Those
include
a
option
for
additional
storm
water
storage
in
the
West
Ashley
traffic
circle,
in
addition
for
additional
storm
water
storage
at
the
bottom
of
the
watershed
and
the
lake
daughter
project
trying
to
protect
the
homes
on
the
like
daughter,
so
the
the
two
storage
projects,
the
traffic
circle
and
the
additional
storage
in
the
lower
part
of
the
basin.
BC
We
have
Weston
Sampson
preparing
a
scope
for
evaluating
those
two
options
to
see
the
cost
benefit
on
those
we'd
like
to
bring
that
scope
to
the
next
council
meeting,
which
will
then
let
us
move
forward
with
determining
if
we
want
to
move
forward
with
then
on
final
design
form
of
those
two
projects
at
which
point
we'd
have
to
allocate
funding
for
the
project.
But
we
can
move
forward
with
that.
BC
So,
in
addition
to
the
stormwater
manager
reports,
we
have
the
floodplain
manager
reports
and
those
focused
on
that
we're
currently
preparing
a
plan
to
meet
the
remaining
item
from
the
community
assistant
visit
the
community
assistance
visit
for
DNR.
We
have
a
plan
that
we're
proposing
to
them
we'll
submit
that
plan.
They'll
proof
hopefully
approve
the
plan
and
then
we'll
basically
implement
that
and
finish
out
the
last
item
left
in
there.
Between
the
assistance
visit
and
demolitions.
We
had
an
update
that
we
now
have
seven
of
the
single-family
homes
completely
demolished
and
receded.
BC
We
working
on
trying
to
get
those
up
to
a
good
grass
field
in
the
short
run
until
we
have
our
long
term
plans
to
those
projects,
we
also
are
underway
on
the
townhome
demolition.
A
number
of
these
units
have
been
at
least
partially
demolished.
We
continuing
with
those
and
then
going
back
into
voloshyn,
one
more
single
family
home
in
this
first
round
of
demolitions.
N
BC
So
we
do
have
the
entire
city
right
now
on
a
monthly
schedule.
Wait
each
each
neighborhood
is
set
up
month
by
month
of
when
it
will
be
rehabilitated
back
to
the
original
design.
I
can
check
with
you
on
what
the
exact
month
is
for
those
neighborhoods,
but
we
are
working
through
to
basically
do
a
full
rehabilitation
back
up
to
the
original
design
for
every
front
yard.
Ditch
as
it
is
it
one
program
and
every
rear
yard
ditches
in
a
second
program.
N
B
L
B
Further
comments,
questions
on
mr.
fountains
report
all
right.
Mr.
Waring
is
at
the
end
of
that
report.
Okay,
I,
think
that
was
all
just
for
information,
so
I
don't
believe
any
action
needed.
So
next
we'll
go
to
our
Committee
on
ways
and
means
councilmember
white,
all
right
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
he
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
please
note
that
I
retreat
recused
myself
on
item
17
through
21,
okay
and
now
Bill's
up
for
second
reading,
we
have
nine
items
on
the
agenda.
B
M
B
AF
B
Got
a
second
on
that
that
motion:
okay,
any
discussion
on
one
through
six
defer,
seven
and
eight
and
number
nine,
as
amended
for
second
reading
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
now
for
third
reading
and
ratification
with
those
same
items.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
so
does
anybody
have
an
announcement
to
make
while
I
sign
these
things,
cuz
I'm?
We
have
a
question.
What.
R
L
Q
Q
AW
B
L
AW
B
All
right
so
now
we're
at
Bill's
for
first
reading
can
I
entertain
a
motion
to
defer
number
one
so
moved
and
seconded
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
he
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
and
then
do
we
have
a
motion?
Can
I
entertain
a
notion
to
withdraw
number
five
we're
gonna
withdraw
number
five,
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
eoz
have
it?
Oh
it's
not!
Oh,
my
bad!
B
That
can
we
restate
that
motion
please
that
withdrawal
is
for
item
number
six
under
first
reading
to
be
withdrawn.
Do
I
have
a
second
okay,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
our
next
regular
meeting
will
be
Tuesday
August
20
2019.
We
will
be
announcing
the
location
I
can't.
Thank
you
all
enough
for
sticking
with
us
tonight
and
once
again
thank
Paul
Rienzo,
Reverend
Rienzo
and
his
staff
and
all
the
fine
people
here
at
crosstown
Church.
We
love
you.
Y'all
are
great.
We
now
stand
adjourned.