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From YouTube: City of Charleston City Council Meeting 7/12/22 1/1
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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 7/12/22 1/1
A
A
A
A
A
B
B
This
is
regarding
our
king
street
improvement
district,
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
from
staff
in
just
a
minute.
I
do
want
to
welcome
our
friends
here
from
the
charleston
downtown
alliance.
We've
been
working
with
the
city
to
help
with
this
effort.
Chris
price,
you
may
know,
he's
the
chair
of
the
board,
but
doug
waring
I
mean
doug
warner
has
been
on
the
board
and
kendra
stewart
with
the
riley
institute.
B
You
all
recall:
we've
seen
this
proposed
mou
once
before,
and
we
all
had
some
suggestions
about
some
changes
that
need
to
be
made
and
I
think
a
number
of
good
meetings
occurred
and
those
changes
were
made,
and
so
at
this
point
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
robert
summerfield
and
meg
thompson
and
melissa.
B
Maybe
will
be
called
on
as
well
to
bring
us
up
to
date
on
where
we
are
and
then
we'll
have,
of
course
plenty
of
time
for
questions
and
discussion,
and-
and
I
would
say
we
don't
have
any
public
comment
period,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
to
introduce
all
of
y'all
that
were
here
in
case
council
members.
I
think
it
would
be
fine
and
they'd
be
willing
if
we
once
we
get
into
conversation.
If
we
had
any
questions
directly
for
our
guests,
that
would
that
would
certainly
be
fine
thanks.
So
robert.
C
C
I
don't
think
anything
here
is
going
to
be
new
for
anyone,
so
we're
going
to
briefly
three
parts
to
today's
agenda.
We're
going
to
briefly
just
remind
everyone
what
the
king
street
bid
is.
Why
we're
doing
this,
then
we
are
going
to
go
in
and
discuss
the
changes
that
we
propose
to
the
mou
based
on
the
discussion
that
this
council
had
a
few
weeks
ago
and
then,
finally,
we'll
do
an
executive
session.
C
So
we
can
hear
from
the
legal
staff
as
we
prepare
to
resolve
the
hearing
of
objections
for
the
king
street
bid
that
we
did
a
couple
months
ago.
So,
really
briefly,
just
real
quick
reminder
of
how
we
got
to
where
we're
at
right
now.
So
once
again,
a
king
street
business
improvement
district
is
not
a
new
concept.
This
has
actually
been
in
discussion
and
been
in
planning
processes.
C
C
This
was
done
as
a
part
of
a
uli
technical
advisory
panel
that
brought
experts
from
around
the
country
here
into
charleston
to
meet
with
the
community
to
meet
with
the
business
community
and
stakeholders
over
the
course
of
I
want
to
say
it
was
three
days
three
days
that
was
organized
again
with
uli
with
the
riley
center.
But
again
it
was
sponsored
by
the
cda.
C
This
is
a
this
current
modern
effort,
if
you
would
is
really
at
the
behest
and
at
the
request
of
the
business
community
on
king
street
as
embodied
by
the
charleston
downtown
alliance
and
then,
finally,
in
the
most
recent
comprehensive
plan
that
the
city
council
adopted
the
city,
the
charleston
city
plan,
this
was
again
based
on
all
the
conversations
we
had
with
the
community.
This
remained
one
of
the
recommendations
for
king
street.
C
So
what
is
the
king
street
business
improvement
district
again?
This
is
something
that,
by
statute,
you,
as
a
municipal
government,
can
enact
to
create
an
improvement
district,
we're
calling
it
a
business
improvement.
District
statute
calls
it
a
municipal
improvement
districts.
It's
semantics,
but
essentially
you
know,
rose
by
any
other
name.
So
this
is
an
opportunity
to
create
an
improvement
district.
It
requires
that
there
be
an
act
by
this
council.
You
all
have
already
done
that.
You've
adopted
an
ordinance
that
created
the
district.
We
are
in
the
process.
C
I
wanted
to
quickly
go
through
because
one
of
the
questions
we've
heard
a
couple
times
throughout
this
process
is
maybe
better
understanding
what
these
alliances
and
what
these
bid
processes
do
in
other
cities.
Again,
this
is
not
something
new.
It's
we're
not
inventing
anything
here,
we're
really
adapting
something.
That's
existed
for
quite
a
while
to
our
unique
circumstances
here
in
charleston,
so
the
downtown
austin
alliance,
which,
as
you
can
see,
covers
a
pretty
substantial
amount
of
real
estate
there.
C
You
know
this
is
what
they've
been
able
to
do
and
I
apologize
the
the
colors
aren't
coming
across
as
well
as
they
did
on
our
screens.
But
this
is
what
they
have
been
able
to
do
and
and
measure
the
success
and
productivity
of
their
alliance
and
their
their
bid
association
through
their
interactions
with
the
community
through
their
ambassador
program,
their
equivalent
of
an
ambassador
program
and
other
activities
that
their
their
bid
does.
You
know
they've
been
able
to
communicate
with
the
community
quite
a
bit.
They
do
power
washing
they
do
safety
escorts.
C
Sometimes
not
everybody
is
they're.
Leaving
work
at
night
necessarily
always
feel
comfortable.
So
they've
done
safety
escorts.
You
know
with
the
pandemic,
they
were
able
to
provide,
masks
and
other
things
again,
creating
that
that
friendly
relationship
with
the
community
that
is
accessing
their
district
charlotte
also
has
a
similar
again
business
program.
They
call
it
the
charles
charlotte
center
city
partners
again
very
similar.
They
have
an
ambassador
type
program
there.
It
helps
the
community
members
with
wayfinding
helping
folks
that
are
looking
to
get
to
museums
or
shopping,
or
what
have
you
find
their
way?
C
C
They
have
had
a
focus
in
2021
that
was
really
on
not
just
providing
general
service,
but
they
focused
in
on
homelessness
outreach
and
were
able
to
use
their
their
ambassador
program
to
have
additional
connections
for
people
in
their
community
experiencing
homelessness
that
were
in
the
central
business
district
and
again,
these
are
non-confrontational
attempts
that
they've
made
most
of
these
programs
in
fact
make
it
very
clear
in
stress
no
confrontation.
They
really
are
about
trying
to
help
folks
across
the
spectrum
of
visitors
in
these
business
districts.
C
Again
we're
not
the
only
ones
currently
working
on
this
I
mean
savannah
is
also
working
on
a
business
improvement.
District
for
their
waterfront
district,
it's
something
they've
been
working
on
for
a
while
they're,
similar
to
us,
they're
kind
of
hitting
towards
that
home
stretch
on
their
effort
and
we're
not
the
only
place
in
south
carolina
working
on
this
columbia
has
had
one
they've
had
one
for
now
over
a
decade,
they've
just
renewed
it
for
for
their
district,
because
it
has
been
very
successful.
It's
been
very
successful
for
the
main
street
business
operators.
C
Again,
they
said
we
want
to
re-up
and,
following
almost
the
exact
same
timing
and
track
that
we
are
myrtle,
beach
is
actually
working
on
their
downtown
business
improvement
district
as
we
speak
kind
of
in
the
same
time
frame
that
we're
working
on
ours
here.
C
And
with
that,
do
you
know
one
more?
Okay
again,
just
a
reminder:
the
business
improvement
district
is
the
545
parcels
that
border
king
street
between
broad
street
to
line
street
again.
It's
only
the
properties
that
have
some
front
some
level
of
frontage
on
king
street
that
are
currently
included,
and
it
accounts
for
about
75
acres
of
our
downtown
central
business
district
area.
C
Again,
the
king
street
improvement
district
is
about
additive
surfaces,
not
duplicative,
so
they're
not
going
to
be
doing
the
same
things
we
do.
They
may
be
adding
to
services
that
we
provide,
but
they
will
not
be
substituting
for
services
that
we
provide.
Additionally,
they
will
be
doing
services
that
the
city
could
do
if
we
had
the
fund,
but
we
don't
so
they
may
take
on
some
of
those
activities
like
managing
holiday
lights
or
something
along.
Those
lines
could
be,
for
instance,
one
of
the
things
that
they
maybe
take
on.
C
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
whole
calculation
thing,
because
meg
is
going
to
go
through
some
much
better
examples
that
we
actually
pulled
from
the
real
world
data
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
meg
thompson
from
our
business
and
neighborhood
services.
Division,
who's
going
to
talk
about
those
real
world
examples.
D
Thank
you,
okay,
I'm
gonna,
try
not
to
touch
it
again.
I
promise
all
right,
so
we
have
some
steps
on
how
to
actually
get
to
what
someone's
estimated
bid
special
assessment
fee
would
be
so
first,
the
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
we
are
using
the
capped,
taxable
value
and
then
timing
times
that
by
the
assessment
rate
to
get
the
taxable
assessed
value
so
we're
not
using
the
market
rate
we're
using
the
taxable
assessed
value
to
do
these
calculations.
D
If
that
taxable
assessed
value
is
more
than
one
and
a
half
million
dollars,
there's
actually
a
reduced
rate
on
everything
over
that
first
one
and
a
half
million.
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
complicated.
We
only
have
a
few
properties
this
applies
to,
but
the
idea
was
to
not
have
properties
have
an
outsized
contribution
to
to
the
bid.
So
I'll
walk
you
guys
through
what
that
looks
like
all
right.
D
D
D
So
everyone
following
me
as
I
go
through
that
math
okay
for
a
medium
one,
we
pulled
a
property
that
currently
has
a
music
venue
as
a
tenant.
They
have
a
significantly
higher
capped,
taxable
value
once
you
get
to
their
taxable
assessed
value,
that's
about
161
thousand
dollars,
leading
to
an
estimated
annual
bid
assessment
fee
of
about
1800
dollars.
D
D
D
All
right
and
then
I
did
pull
one
of
the
extra
large
reduced
rate
parcels.
So
this
is
a
very
large
parcel
on
lower
king.
That
has
several
different
tenants.
It
has
a
very
significant
tax
capped,
taxable
value,
but
even
when
you
get
to
the
estimated
annual
bid
assessment
fee,
it's
a
little
over
twenty
thousand
dollars
for
the
year
spread
across
all
of
those
tenants.
D
So
how
does
that
actually
break
down
across
the
various
parcels
within
the
bid?
So
what
I've
done
is
kind
of
put
it
into
brackets.
So
you
can
see
that
a
little
over
half
of
the
parcels
are
going
to
pay
500
or
less
as
their
annual
bid
fee
at
the
very
very
top
there
you
can
see
about.
Two
percent
are
gonna
pay
more
than
five
thousand
dollars
a
year.
D
So
where
does
that
money
go
so
the
improvement
plan
that
was
attached
to
the
ordinance
that
y'all
passed
in
january
estimates
about
a
million
dollar
budget
for
a
year.
The
bid
life
cycle
is
for
10
years,
so
multiply
all
of
that
out
by
10
years.
That's
the
numbers
that
you
see
on
the
screen
that
will
be
used
for
a
variety
of
services
and
improvements.
Everything
from
beautification
to
programming
like
robert
mentioned,
but
the
one
that
I
want
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
more
in
depth
is
the
ambassador
program.
D
That's
the
one
I've
kind
of
gotten
questions
about
so,
as
robert
said,
they
are
common
across
bids
across
the
country.
We
don't
know
that
this
is
the
route
that
will
go,
but
they're
actually,
companies
that
specialize
in
ambassador
services,
so
they're
kind
of
like
turnkey.
They
specialize
in
how
to
hire
how
to
train
and
and
manage
those
those
ambassadors.
D
D
D
E
Thank
you
good
evening.
Thank
you.
As
robert
mentioned
earlier,
we
at
the
college
of
charleston
at
the
riley
center
were
engaged
early
on
in
the
process
before
it
had
been
determined
that
a
bid
was
the
route
to
go,
and
we
were
asked
by
several
community
members,
a
few
king
street
business
owners
and
former
mayor
riley.
E
This
slide
you'll
see
a
handful
of
the
efforts
that
were
done
to
really
engage
business
owners,
our
business
operators,
property
owners,
as
well
as
other
folks
who
regularly
engage
and
interact
with
king
street,
and
so,
in
addition
to
these
efforts,
I
should
say
we
did
a
survey
of
every
property
and
business
operator
on
king
street
and
asked
them
what
they
felt
like
the
challenges
were
and
what
they
wanted
to
see
most
and
where
we
ended
up
getting
to
the
bid
was
when
the
two
greatest
needs
they
felt
like
were
cleanliness
and
safety,
and
so
that
was
really
what
helped.
E
E
So
after
the
last
I
guess
session
on
this,
the
council
members
asked
if
we
would
again
engage
some
folks,
so
we
reached
out
to
all
of
the
business
operators
on
king
street
and
invited
them
to
listening
sessions,
and
we
held
two
listening
sessions
talking
to
them
about
their
concerns
and
hearing
what
they
were
interested
in
and
how
they
could
be
engaged
in
the
bid.
E
And
we
also
engaged
at
your
request,
the
largest
property
owners
who
had
concerns
about
the
cost
to
them
and
heard
from
each
of
them
about
their
concerns,
with
the
bid
as
well
and
brought
those
suggestions
and
recommendations
back
to
the
downtown
alliance.
And
so,
as
you
can
see,
we've
tried
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
to
make
sure
we
were
touching
everyone
who
is
somehow
affected
by
this,
as
well
as
other
members
in
the
community.
So.
C
Thank
you
and
we
thought
it
was
very
important
to
have
kendra
here,
because
she
can
answer
any
of
those
questions
about
that
outreach
effort,
because
her
her
students
and
her
team
did
an
amazing
job
kind
of
trying
to
get
that
information
out
to
the
community.
So
again,
next
steps
so
we're
going
to
have
a
discussion
on
the
mou
between
the
city
and
the
cda
for
that
management.
We're
going
to
have
that
discussion
next
and
that
item
is
on
the
agenda
for
possible
action
on
next
tuesday's
city
council
meeting.
C
Additionally,
as
mentioned
previously
we're
going
to
have
an
executive
session
later
this
after
this
evening
to
get
advice
from
council.
Regarding
the
hearing
of
objections
and
the
resolution
to
the
hearing
of
objections
is
an
agenda
item
that
is
currently
scheduled
for
next
tuesday's
agenda
as
well.
C
We
are
working
on
the
administrative
documents
for
creating
the
assessment
because
we
have
to
get
that
information
to
charleston
county
for
their
fall
billing.
We
need
to
do
that
by
the
end
of
next
month,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
hopeful
that
we'll
be
able
to
get
to
resolution
on
the
hearing
of
objections
for
next
week's
council
meeting
and
then
again,
as
we've
iterated
a
few
times.
C
We
expect
the
first
revenues
to
then
come
at
in
the
in
the
winter
beginning
of
next
year
for
operations
to
begin
for
the
bid
in
early
next
year.
C
So
with
that,
if
there's
any
questions
or
discussions
on
the
bid
concept
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
specifics
of
the
mou
just
want
to
make
sure,
because
there
had
previously
been
some
some
questions
about
the
the
just
the
big
concept,
as
we've
been
going
through
this
process,
great.
B
Thank
you,
robert
and
meg
and
kendra
for
that
review
of
this
journey
we've
been
on
and
I'll
just
open
up
the
floor
for
any
questions.
Anybody
has
councilmember
parker.
A
C
A
Yes,
I
want
to
follow
up
on
councilmember
parker's
question
with
respect
to
the
rents
being
passed
down
earlier,
you
showed
us
a
number
of
cities
who
are
already
implementing
this
process.
Do
we
have
data
that
would
determine
how
it
may
affect
the
tenants
and
to
what
a
great
degree.
C
Councilman,
three
america:
we
we
don't
specifically
because
again
everyone's
lease
is
different
and
so
and
there's
no
to
my
knowledge,
there's
most
cities
that
have
bids
don't
have
reporting
mechanisms
on.
You
know
those
leases
from
property
owners.
They
they
get
the
assessment
through
their
taxation
process,
normally
the
county
offices
and
then
they
distribute
that
money
through
their
their
version
of
the
alliance,
whatever
non-profit
manages
their
business
improvement
district.
C
B
Councilmember
gregory,
I
I
would
just
add
that
you
know
a
lot
of
the
outreach
that
was
done
was
directly
to
tenants
and
and
those
tenants
would
have
known
in
their
leases
whether
they
would
end
up
being
responsible
for
all
taxes
and
fees
or
not
right,
and
so
the
fact
that
those
tenants
were
still
attending
those
meetings
and
supportive
of
this
effort,
I
think,
says
a
lot
about
the
need
for
the
district.
I
mean
that's
that
that
was
the
cleanliness
and
public
safety
that
they
identified.
B
So
that's
what
we're
trying
to
satisfy,
and
I
I
guess
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
thought
that
might
would
be
worth
it.
Council,
member
appel.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
councilmember
waring,.
F
A
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
it's
important
for
every
tenant
to
look
at
their
lease
and
to
see
how
it's
drafted
with
respect
to
what's
called
a
triple
net
lease
in
the
business
which
essentially
makes
tenants
responsible
for
insurance
taxes
and
other
charges.
A
B
G
C
Real
quick
again
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
the
key
provisions
of
this
mou
are
about
service
delivery,
transparency
and
board
composition.
We've
heard
that
very
loud
and
clear
from
this
council
as
to
concerns
that
they
have
with
this
process
again.
C
Service
delivery
includes
a
requirement
that
the
cda
will
do
citizen
attitude
surveys
that
they
will
do
pedestrian
and
visitor
counts
and
that
they
will
provide
public
improvements,
as
they've
been
outlined
in
the
improvement
plan,
which
include
all
the
elements
that
we've
repeatedly
talked
about
there,
as
well
as
measurable
metrics,
for
how
they're
accomplishing
those
improvements,
transparency
again
plenty
of
documentation
is
required,
including
an
implementation
plan,
an
annual
report
and
then
a
planning
report
that
would
include
their
work
plan
and
their
proposed
budget
for
each
cycle.
C
As
a
part
of
that
planning
report,
we
will
also
have
an
annual
audit
to
again
make
sure
that
public
funds
that
are
contributed
to
this
are
being
used
in
in
the
way
that's
appropriate
and
then,
finally,
the
board
composition.
This
is
updated,
based
on
the
conversations
that
were
had
by
this
council
during
the
last
discussion.
For
for
this
board,
we
have
been
clued
in
that
planning,
staff
and
legal
staff
are,
are
not
mathematicians
and
that
we
we
miscounted.
C
We
said
a
majority
have
to
be
property
owners,
and
then
we
made
the
majority
of
nine
be
non-property
owners
in
our.
It
still
works.
C
So
we're
going
to
add
some
clarifying
language,
because
there
was
some
conversation
about
the
staff
member
and
how
they
contributed
to
the
board.
So
this
is
the
updated
proposal
based
on
what
we
heard
at
that
last
council
meeting
in
some
additional
conversation.
C
So
the
majority
of
the
voting
members
of
the
board
of
directors
shall
be
property
owners
within
the
district
and
who,
with
reside
within
the
tri-county
area,
so
charleston
dorchester,
berkeley
counties
at
least
one
director
needs
to
be
a
commercial
tenant
within
the
district
at
least
one
is
a
non-property
owning
director
who
is
of
a
racial
or
ethnic
minority
which
works
or
resides
in
the
district,
at
least
one
property
or
non-property
owner
director.
Who
is
a
woman
who
either
works
or
resides
in
the
district?
C
It
also
you
cannot
serve
in
multiple
groups,
so
you
can't
be
a
woman,
who's,
a
property
owner
and
qualify
as
satisfying
the
requirements.
So
with
that
next
steps,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
next
up,
so
I'll
just
stay
here,
and
I
think
that
essentially
the
presentation,
the
rest
is
again
just
next
steps
and
and
questions.
So,
given
that
councilman
shade
had
questions
on,
I
think
the
board
composition
I'll
leave
it
here.
I
also
invite
meg
or
melissa
to
join
me
on
any
answers
that
you
all
may
need
that.
G
Shade,
thank
you
two
false
stars.
So
hopefully
this
is
by.
I
want
to
strike
out
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about,
I
think
you
kind
of
address
this
robert
is
the
lack
of
city
residents,
citizens
or
residents
of
the
city
of
charleston,
serving
on
this
board.
The
way
that
this
is
composed,
we're
guaranteed
only
one
resident
one
citizen
to
serve
on
this
board.
That's
going
to
be
a
member
of
city
council.
G
When
you
look
at
the
other
requirements
as
to
one
non-property
owning
director,
he
was
either
a
racial
or
ethnic
minority
who
either
works
or
resides.
So
there's
no
guarantee
to
have
a
second
person
who
fills
that
category
and
then
one
below
that
one
non-property
owning
director,
who
is
a
woman
who
either
works
or
resides
in
the
district.
G
So
again,
you're
not
guaranteed.
Only
one
representative
of
the
city
of
charleston
who's
going
to
be
a
council
member
is
going
to
live
in
in
the
district,
and
then
you
you
broaden
it.
I
think
you
broaden
it
that
the
person
who
is
a
majority
of
voting
members
in
the
cda
who
reside
either
in
charleston
dorchester
berkeley
counties
we're
dealing
with
public
funds
of
the
city
of
charleston.
G
Just
provides
a
bad
connotation
as
to
the
composition
of
this
board
we're
dealing
with
public
money.
I
know
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
on
this
board
all
to
be
very
wonderful
folks,
very
honorable
people,
I'm
not
concerned
about
that.
But
it
just
seems
to
me
that
we
are
the
city
of
charleston
and
we're
not
going
to
have
a
majority
vote
on
this
sport.
No
matter
what?
G
Because
we're
going
to
have
one
one
voting,
member
which
could
be
a
city
council,
member
and
one
staff
member
who's
going
to
be
on
here,
but
not
to
have
more
city
representative,
because
this
business
district
serves
the
citizens
of
charleston.
I
mean
this
business
district
is
the
the
economic
spine
and,
and
while
there
are
many
people
who
don't
live
in
the
city
of
charleston
anymore,
who
own
property
or
work
in
in
this
area,
or
maybe
tenants
in
this
area.
G
This
is
a
city
of
charleston
project
and
I
think
that
not
having
more
representatives
of
citizens
who
have
some
kind
of
connection
to
this,
because
this
is
this
is
our
street.
This
is
our
district.
I
just
think
is
sending
a
very
terrible
message
on
this,
so
I
would
encourage
that
we
rework
this
and
ensure
that
we
have
a
minimum
number
of
people
who
actually
live,
don't
give
them
an
out
by
saying
who
either
resides
or
works
in
the
district
or
resides
in
the
city,
but
who
somebody
who
actually
lives
in
the
city
of
charleston.
B
All
right:
well,
let
me
reply
to
that.
Councilmember,
you
know
the
the
nature
of
all.
These
descriptions
is
that
every
every
cda
member
has
a
vested
interest
in
the
district,
whether
they
are
technically
citizens
of
the
city
or
not,
and
and
as
it
works
out,
nine
members
might
be
citizens
in
the
city
of
charlton.
We
you
know
they
might
they
might
not.
I
certainly
think,
as
you
had
the
blanket
up
front,
that
that
a
majority
of
voting
members
shall
be
property
owners.
B
You
could
have
a
blanket
that
a
majority
of
the
nine
or
are
citizens
of
the
city
of
charleston,
if
you
like,
and
allow
the
minority
to
be
citizens
of
the
tri-county
area,
but
would
also
have
a
vested
interest
in
the
district.
So
what
do
you
that
might
be
a
way
around
it?
Just
for
consideration.
G
G
To
be
successful,
we
want
this
thing
to
be
successful,
but
we're
dealing
with
this.
This
is
a
city's
project
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if,
if
it
succeeds
or
is
a
flat
out
failure,
it's
going
to
be
the
city's
project
one
way
or
another,
and
not
to
have
more
citizens
involved
in
this
process,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
people
who
benefit
from
this
at
the
end
of
the
day
are
the
citizens
of
charleston,
and,
I
think,
there's
a
way
of
reworking
this
either.
G
G
Think
that
just
clearly
sends
out
a
message
to
the
community
that
this
is
our
ownership
of
what
we're
taking
with
this
with
this
board
in
this
bid.
I
think
we
people
at
this
table
all
want
this
to
be
successful.
I
don't
think
that's
any
question
about
that
right
and
the
folks
who
are
currently
making
up
the
board
they.
They
have
been
working
very
hard
with
us
to
make
this
successful.
G
B
And
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
you,
I
think,
there's
the
easy
way
to
fix
it.
If
that's
a
pleasure
of
counsel,
any
other
questions
or
comments
councilmember
wearing.
I.
F
Couldn't
agree
with
councilmember
se
moore
when
I
look
at
probably
the
most
powerful
board
in
the
city
of
charleston,
I
probably
would
say
it's.
The
big
bar
got
something
to
do
with
bar.
Let's
put
it
like
that,
and
how
do
those
people
get
there?
They're
citizens
they
have
a
lot
to
do.
F
They
got
certainly
a
vested
interest
in
this
city,
but
you
suggest
we
suggest,
and
eventually
this
council
votes
when
he
gets
to
serve
on
that
board
or
doesn't
get
to
serve
on
that
board
and
once
they
get
there,
they
have
the
power
frankly
of
a
quasi
court.
F
I
don't
really
see
this
board
being
much
different
than
that.
I
mean.
Obviously,
the
bar
auspices
go
much
wider
and
further,
so
I
don't
want
to
demean
those
folks,
but
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
important
board
and
I
think,
to
satisfy
your
concern.
Councilmember
is
instead
of
us
being
told
remember
that
we
are
stewards
of
taxpayers
dollars
instead
of
us
being
told
who's
going
to
be
serving.
I
think
that
board
should
recommend
a
slate
to
the
city
to
you.
F
You
recommend
to
council,
and
eventually
council
votes
up
and
down
the
membership
on
this
board,
so
many
people
with
stakehold
people
on
the
planning
commission,
the
planning
commission-
can
create
wealth
or
take
it
away.
That's
how
powerful
it
is,
but
every
one
of
those
members
goes
to
a
kind
of
vetting
process
through
you
to
us
and
eventually
that
system
is
in
place
and
it
works
very
well.
I
think
something
similar
would
do
would
be
very
well
if
the
cda
board
of
directors
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
mayor.
F
That
comes
to
council,
council
gets
to
say
yeah
and
they
or
even
if
we
want
to
vote
on
a
member
too
and
eventually
that
board
gets
approved.
F
And
you
say
why
are
you
saying
that,
because
you're
dealing
with
somebody
else's
money
and
this
now,
if
they
were
dealing
with
100
of
their
money,
you
get
no
nothing
out
of
me.
Okay,
I'll,
be
quiet
as
a
mouse,
but
if
something
goes
wrong
in
particular
with
those
taxpayers
dollars
that
comes
from
the
assessment
that
miss
thompson,
just
so
eloquently
explained
to
us
we're
going
to
be
held
accountable.
I
think
that's
one
way
to
do
that.
F
B
So
any
other
comments
or
discussions
on
this
topic.
F
Just
to
piggyback
on
that
a
couple
of
months
ago,
when
they
came,
you
might
think
my
question
was,
and
I
guess
they
changed
a
little
bit.
One
directive,
I
think,
is
the
at
least
one
director
who
represents
women,
and
I
pointed
out
about
diversity.
F
B
You
know
worked
on
this
recently
and
and
I
I
would
note
that
the
only
one
of
the
ideas
here
being
floated
is,
is
to
allow
council
to
have
basically
a
blessing
of
the
whole
board.
Did
you
all
talk
about
that
or
not
is
that?
Is
that
offensive
in
any.
H
H
I
think
a
lot
of
the
business
community,
it's
very
important
to
them
that
it
not
just
be
another
sort
of
part
of
the
overall
existing
government
that
this
is
a
non-profit,
that's
directed
and
specific,
to
resolving
these
issues
and
councilman,
appel
and
councilman
shade,
and
the
others
that
are
attorneys
on
the
board
may
correct
me
on
this,
but
I
believe
that
the
south
kona
nonprofit
corporations
act
would
require
that
the
board
or
that
the
organization
itself
appoint
its
own
board
members
and
that
there
not
be
an
external
organization,
whether
that
be
a
municipality
or
someone
else
that
has
that
power,
because
essentially
that's
the
governance
of
the
organization.
H
H
But
I
think
if
the
city
took
on
the
role
of
having
a
power
to
appoint
that
board,
I
think
it
would
run
afoul
of
that
of
that
statute.
That
I
mentioned
right.
So
that's
just
what
I
wanted
to
add.
B
So
what
about
the
point
of
more
citizens
of
the
city
of
charleston.
C
We
could
do
that.
I'm
mayor,
I
mean
so
to
ellis's
point.
That's
why
the
the
attorneys
work
to
structure
it.
So
the
mou
is
our
agreement
between
entities,
the
cda
as
our
managing
entity
in
the
city.
They
have
to
adhere
to
essentially
these
elements
in
the
contract
and
update
their
by-laws,
which
again,
council
gets
to
say.
Okay,
these
by-laws
are
acceptable
to
us
as
our
managing
entity.
C
C
More
citizens
or
and
councilman
seeking
so
we
have.
We
have
work
that
we
can
do
with
that,
but
to
the
to
ellis's
point.
That
was
why
this
was
structured
this
way,
because
they
need
to
appoint
their
board
as
a
non-profit,
but
we
need
to
ensure
that
the
city's
goals
are
being
met
with
our
partner,
which
would
be
the
cda,
but
we
can.
H
Seeking,
I
think
you
just
jumped
ahead
of
me
with
smear,
which
is
good.
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
should
have
in
our
mou
is
the
board
will
comply
with
the
southgate
not-for-profit
act
and
then
we
can
put
guidelines
in
our
mou
that
we,
as
a
city
council,
how
we'd
like
to
see
it
spread
out,
and
that
would,
I
think,
take
care
of
this
problem.
H
Okay,
I
I
think
you
know
if
we
put
a
guideline
out
there
and
I
think
they'll
listen
to
us-
that's
right,
but
putting
specifics
like
this
and
running
a
foul
of
the
not-for-profit
act.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
get
into
that
business
and
we've
got
smart
lawyers
around
here.
So
thank
you.
I.
B
Think
that's
why
I
certainly
think
it's
reasonable
to
have
the
parameter
for
more
of
the
nine
to
be
actual
citizens,
but
I
do
want
to
just
make
a
case
in
point.
I
I
don't
know
where
chris
price
lives,
but
I
know
his
heart
and
soul
is
on
king
street
and
and
he
might
live
in
mount
pleasant.
I
don't
I
don't
know
where
do
you
live
chris?
Do
you
mind
saying
I
ain't
nothing?
B
You
know
it's
clear
to
me.
This
board
will
will
truly
have
their
their
the
best
interest
of
of
the
of
the
bid
and
in
their
hearts
and
mines,
but
I
think
I
think
it's
fine
to
add,
for
a
majority
of
the
nine
five
of
nine
to
be
citizens
of
our
city
and
and
and
that
kind
of
covers
that
base
of.
If
council
is
agreeable
to
that,
okay,
councilmember
waring.
F
F
F
Some
of
the
ownership
on
king
street
can
become.
It
may
be
a
time
when
majority
people
wouldn't
even
live
in
none
of
those
counties
that
would
have
property
ownership
there.
So
we'd
have
people
that
in
some
cases,
not
even
living
in
south
carolina
dictating
how
taxpayers
dollars
are
being
spent.
I
think
that's
wrong
and
I
think,
since
we're
pretty
close
to
having
this
one
put
to
bed,
I
think
there's
a
way
to
structure
that.
So
that
would
not
happen
because
the
question
will
come
if
not
to
this
council
council
members
in
the
future.
B
F
It's
because
of
destruction,
you
see
what
I
mean.
I
understand
we
kind
of
got
played
over
here
and
we
kind
of
just
about
got
it
fixed,
and
I
know
we
like
to
try
to
make
the
date
yeah.
But
we've
worked
at
the
11th
hour
before
we
hammered
out
some
pretty
good
solutions.
So
we
we
filed
the
request
on
that
grant
for
the
45
million
dollars
for
spring
fishburn
at
the
11th
hour.
F
B
And-
and
let
me
point
out
that
this
mou
isn't
time
critical
to
that
deadline.
What's
critical
is
the
next
thing
that
we're
going
to
take
take
up
at
our
executive
committee
session
executive
session
and
that's
the
objections
right,
correct.
C
Yeah
caveat
to
that,
we
do
want
to
get
this
to
use
your
words
put
to
bed,
because
the
cda
needs
to
begin
their
work
of
trying
to
recruit
an
executive
director
to
manage
this,
because
chris
doesn't
want
to
do
that
anymore.
So
so
we
do
want
to
get
this
mou
in
place
so
that
they
can
begin
to
do,
adjust
their
board
composition
to
meet
these
requirements,
update
their
bylaws
and
then
begin
the
process
of
trying
to
recruit
an
executive
director
to
to
manage
the
day-to-day
operations
of
the
of
the
program.
B
So
but
councilmember
waring,
I
I
can
think
of
a
few
that
may
not
be
exact
parallel
but
close
to
it.
One
would
be
the
cdc,
the
charleston
crc
charleston
redevelopment
corporation,
that's
a
separate
non-profit
that
miss
shaw,
johnson
helped
form
and
she
serves
as
our
representative
on
that
non-profit
board.
But
to
my
knowledge,
there's
no
residency
requirement
to
be
on
the
board.
Eli
polikoff
he's
the
chairman:
maybe
he
lives
in
the
city,
maybe
maybe
he
lives,
you
know
in
un
unincorporated
he
so
he
lives
in
the
city.
B
B
Well,
we've
we've
directly
funded
them
with
right.
F
B
H
I
just
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
careful
about
as
we
put
sort
of
the
micro
push
on.
This
is,
if
you
look
at
sort
of
the
examples
that
meg
gave
us
earlier,
as
we
put
these
requirements
out
there
and
then
the
person
who's
coming
in
and
spending
80
60
30
000.
So
well,
you
don't
fit
the
profile
that
we
put
in
there.
So
you
can't
sit
on
this
board
because
you
don't
live
in
the
city
of
charleston
you're,
not
this
out
the
other
thing.
H
I
think
that
defeats
the
purpose
a
little
bit
and
there
are
plenty
of
examples.
I
think
council
member
of
boards,
that
we
sit
on
that
sit
out
there,
that
we
funnel
lots
of
money
public
monies
through
that
there's
no
residency
or
other
requirements
at
all.
The
gilliard
comes
to
mind
right,
I
mean
that's
a
non-profit
that
we
put
lots
of
money
in
the
african-american
museum.
H
I
think
good
people-
and
this
is
really
in
particular,
because
we
talk
about
this
being
public
funds,
yes,
but
different
than
general
tax
collection,
because
this
is
something
that's
been
set
up
by
the
state,
not
by
the
city.
What
we're
asked
to
do
by
state
statute
is
to
allow
them
to
go
forward
and
to
organize
and
exist,
and
then
we
get
an
annual
review
of
it.
The
monies
is
are
self-directed.
These
are
monies
that
they've
agreed
to
collect
and
put
back
on
the
street
in
the
in
the
district
that
they're
creating.
H
H
This
is
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
I
trust
with
some
oversight,
trust
but
verify
that
they're
going
to
put
together
a
good
group
of
people
to
run
it
and
we're
going
to
keep
an
eye
on
it
and
to
micromanage
it
at
this
level,
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
other
things
going
on.
We
could
spend
a
lot
of
time
doing
this
when
I
think
they're
well
equipped
to
do.
F
It
so,
mr
mill
that
was
directed,
I
need
to
answer
that
council
member
swearing
yeah
those
those
examples
you
gave
sounded
good,
but
the
reality.
Isn't
there,
the
guillyard
board,
the
city
of
charleston,
owns
that
100,
the
international
african-american
museum,
the
city
of
charleston,
owns
that
building
100
percent,
we're
talking
about
property,
saying
that
the
city
don't
know.
So
that
sounds
like
a
good
comparison,
but
it's
not.
Let
me
say
this.
F
I
support
this.
The
councilman
has
a
very
valid
point:
we're
talking
about
sitting
together,
setting
up
a
structure
that
we
want
to
work
well
and
work
well
for
a
long
time,
there's
some
tweaking.
That
needs
to
be
done.
So
it
is
not
of
point.
I
think
we
just
need
to
get
this
tweaking
done
right.
That's
all.
B
I
What
was
the
solution?
Just
having
a
majority
of
the
of
the
nine
reside
in
the
city
correct?
I
think
that's
a
legitimate,
logical
solution
to
that
meg.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
for
the
examples.
It
certainly
has
helped
me
see
it
from
a
financial
perspective
and
the
two
things
that
I
do
think
that
are
important.
I
Is
being
passed
on
to
the
tenants
it's
going
to
happen,
but
if
we,
if
we're
doing
this
annually
and
they're
reporting
to
us
annually,
I
think
that
the
data
that
we
collect
is
is
is
going
to
be
critically
important.
So
I
would
ask
that
is
an
annual
survey
part
of
of
what
you
all
be
doing
tenant
surveys?
I
If
there's
a
question
that
we
could
ask
about,
you
know
as
their
rent
increased
and,
if
so,
by
how
much
if
we
can
track
track
that
so
that's
reported
out
at
the
annual
survey
and
that's
that's
my
two
biggest
concerns.
I
guess
for
recommendations
for
for
that
annual
report
out.
B
I
Just
like
to
add
to
the
residency
requirement
discussion,
so
I
think
I
paid
1500
roughly
in
city
property
taxes.
Last
year.
I
We
just
saw
an
example
where
a
business
owner
could
potentially
be
paying
twenty
thousand
dollars,
specifically
for
this
business
improvement
district
and
to
echo
mr
seeking
statements,
it
just
seems
like
they
have
a
lot
more
invested
in
this
and
on
the
line
here
then
than
I
do
being
a
city
resident,
the
name
that
particular
business
owner
may
live
in
mount
pleasant
or
unincorporated
berkeley
county,
and
so
I
just
think
that
being
that
this
is
a
special
assessment
that
that
they
are
funding
that
that
we
shouldn't
put
that
requirement
on
them.
B
So
I'll
give
you
an
example,
I
don't
think
she
would
mind
me
mentioning
this.
She
was
on
the
cda
board,
marianna
hayde,
no
one
loved
king
street,
more
than
marianna
hey.
Well.
She
lived
on
broad
street
in
the
city
for
years
and
years
and
years,
but
in
the
last
year
she
happened
to
move
to
sullivan's
island.
Would
we
hold
that
against
her?
You
know:
we'd
go
to
waldo.
J
One
thing
I
want
to
reiterate
to
we're
all
concerned
about
the
tax
base
being
passed
on
to
tenants,
keep
in
mind
that
the
majority
of
the
business
operators
on
the
street
voted
to
assess
themselves.
J
J
J
This
happened
because
this
assessment
or
tax
as
you
want
to
call
it,
is
going
back
into
being
reinvested
into
their
economic
engine
of
king
street.
So
so
keep
that
in
mind.
I
mean
it
listen.
This
hurts
me
outside
of
charleston
place,
I'm
I'm
writing
big
checks.
Some
of
it
might
be
passed
on.
Somebody
never
passed
on.
J
The
other
thing
I
want
to
approach
is
going
back
to
the
residency.
I
technically
long
story,
but
I
technically
don't
live
in
the
city
of
charleston.
D
J
It's
two
lots
that
I've
merged
and
nobody
can
tell
me
if
I'm
in
a
city
or
I'm
in
town
james,
so
so
going
back
to
residency.
I,
as
the
second
largest
landowner
on
king
street,
don't
live
in
the
city
of
charleston,
so
I
I
don't.
I
think
we're
gonna
get
very
we're.
Gonna
have
some
issues
if
that's
a
overwhelming
majority
of
our
board
and
voting
board.
J
A
lot
of
the
people
that
have
significant
investments
on
king
street
live
everywhere
and
those
are
the
people
that
are
very,
very
interested
in
what
happens
to
this
street
because
it
is
their
investment,
it
could
be
their
their
livelihood.
So
I
think
we
got
to
be
careful
about
that.
That's
those
are
two
issues.
G
Since
I
started
this
ball
rolling
down
a
couple
of
points
that
I
think
we
need
to
be
clarified
on
number
one
I
don't
want
to-
I
don't
want
this
council
micromanaging
this
process,
that's
not
our
job
and
that's
why
we
have
a
board.
That's
our
responsibility,
I'm
not
asking
to
make
any
adjustments
to
the
very
first
component
of
this
composition,
because
it
says
a
majority
of
voting
members
for
the
cda's
board
of
directors
shall
be
the
property
owners
within
the
district
who
shall
reside
either
within
charleston
dorchester
brooklyn
county.
G
G
I
think
everybody's
missing
the
point
where
I'm
trying
to
emphasize
here-
and
there
was
a
time
not
too
long
ago-
that
this
discussion
would
never
have
even
been
brought
up,
because
the
people
who
own
property
on
king
street
were
charleston
residents-
I
mean
it
just
it
was,
and
they
all
did.
I
mean
most
of
the
folks.
Were
people
like
ross
apparel
shades
department
store,
I
can
go
to
bashers.
I
can
go
down
the
list
of
family
members.
G
I
know
who
made
out
the
majority
of
ownership
on
on
king
street,
so
this
discussion
never
would
have
happened,
probably
15
20
years
ago,
30
years
ago
about
that.
But
this
is
property
within
the
city
of
charleston
it.
Yes,
there
may
be
a
property
owner
who
lives
in
michigan.
Maybe
a
property
only
lives
in
ohio,
maybe
a
property
only
losing
in
berkeley
county.
G
I
I
don't
know
the
breakdown
of
that,
but
I'm
sure
that
that
is
probably
the
majority
of
the
folks
who
own
property
unless
there's
a
mom-and-pop
operation
like
krogans
that
own
their
property
outside
of
the
of
the
charleston
area.
G
The
bottom
line
is
this:
that
the
city
of
charleston's-
and
you
said
this
word-
we've
batted
this
around
the
economic
engine.
The
economic
spine
of
the
city
of
charleston
is
kingston.
That's
why
we're
all
so
concerned
about
this
and
fussing
about
this,
because
we
want
this
thing
to
be
not
just
successful
but
super
successful
and
be
the
shawnee
lighthouse
other
municipalities
and
towns
and
governments
can
use
as
an
example
how
we
did
it
better
than
anybody
else.
G
The
people
who
have
the
outmost
vested
interests
are
the
citizens
of
charleston
and
and
that's
why
the
representation
has
to
have
somebody
more
than
just
one
council
number
doing
that,
because
the
success
or
failure
of
this
is
going
to
benefit
the
property
owners
they're
going
to
be,
hopefully
that
property
values
go
up.
The
businesses
make
more
money
more
folks,
come
down
to
visit
this,
but
you
you're
missing
the
point
of
providing
a
perspective
of
a
citizen's
perspective
on
this
board.
G
G
G
G
But
I
think
it's
just
so
critically
important
and
so
elementary
that
we
need
to
have
that
and,
quite
frankly,
we
need
to
go
back
and
look
at
our
other
compositions
of
all
other
boards
and
commissions
and
to
be
talking
about
this
to
see
if
we
need
to
have
a
residency
requirement
or
some
minimum
residence
requirement
on
some
of
this
stuff.
So
I
would,
I
think
this
is
doable.
I
think
we're
all
agreeing
to
do
this.
We
can
tweak
this
a
little
bit.
B
Right
all
right,
so
why
don't
we
get
melissa
and
robert
and
meg
back
together
with
ellis
and
chris
and
they'll,
take
in
account
y'all's
comments
and
and
tweak
this
thing
a
little
a
little
bit
more
and
come
back
to
us
at
that
next
meeting.
As
I
said,
this
is
not
the
time
sensitive
thing
that
to
really
keep
the
ball
rolling
if
it
costs
us
one
more
meeting
to
get
this
resolved.
I
think
that's
okay
with
everybody
right.
B
F
F
Want
to
follow
up
on
mr
price,
when
you
all
came
in
here
months
ago.
I
think
it
was
actually
back
in
21
and
said
that
the
business
community
down
there
was
in
favor
that
you
had
me,
then,
okay,
so,
and
you
still
have
me
now-
I
agree
with
what
we're
trying
to
do
again
we're
trying
to
wordsmith
some
things.
I
think
to
make
it
a
little
bit
better.
F
One
of
the
concerns
I
have
was
what
councilman
sacrament
has
about
it
being
pushed
down
to
the
tenant
being
a
small
business
person,
I'm
sensitized
to
that,
like
you
are,
and
certainly
mr
sacramento,
and
then
I
thought
about
that
too.
So
I'm
gonna
help
you
with
your
stump
speech.
F
If
rents
got
too
high
on
king
street
you're
going
to
start
seeing
vacancies,
if
the
vacancies
got
to
the
point
to
where
that
property
ownership
needs
to
come
back
in
and
reduce
the
bid,
particularly
years
to
come,
when
a
lot
of
improvements
has
already
been
made,
the
outside
economy
will
take
care
of
that
part.
Now,
if
rents
get
too
high,
vacancies
will
happen
and
the
owners
property
owners
really
would
be
paying
100.
F
So,
in
a
sense,
our
economic
system
almost
has
a
gauge
for
that
too.
So
I
know
I'll
hear
from
him
after
this
good
old.
F
Supply
demand-
that's
right,
so
mr
price's
stump
speech
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
better,
the
next
time
around,
but
I'm
in
favor
of
it,
but
we
can
make
it
a
little
bit
better.
Yeah.
B
Gotcha
any
other
comments,
questions
on
the
mou
all
right.
Thank
you.
All!
We're
going
to
next
go
into
executive
session
with
a
motion
and
a
second
we
just
received
all
in
favor.
Please
say:
aye.