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From YouTube: City of Charleston City Council Meeting 4/20/21 1/2
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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 4/20/21
A
The
floral
business,
I
think,
cutting
roses.
I
cut
about
four
dozen
out
for
a
little
sunday
and
you
you
didn't
even
notice
it.
You
know.
D
A
E
A
We're
we're
live
on
youtube.
I
see
and
I
think
we'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
call
the
meeting
to
order.
I
think
you
all
know
we're
also
waiting
for
the
verdict
to
be
read
and
the
chauvin
case
and
so
we'll
stand
by
and
see
what
happens
with
that.
As
the
meeting
goes
by,
we
may
bring
up
a
matter
regarding
that,
after
we're
done
with
our
topic
of
redistricting,
so
madame
clerk,
you've
noted,
I
think
everyone
is
here.
Maybe
councilmember
warren
and
griffin
now
arrived,
and
so
I
think,
we're
all
present.
A
Right,
terrific,
so
thank
you
all
for
joining
us.
I
must
admit
I
don't
have
an
agenda
in
front
of
me
and
I
don't
know.
A
It's
probably
very
simple,
but
we'll
call
council
members
seeking
to
give
us
an
invocation
today.
Thank
you.
G
Mr
mayor
fellow
council,
members,
heavenly
father,
bless
us
all
and
keep
us
under
your
wing.
May
your
divinity
shine
on
us
all
and
fill
us
with
your
grace.
Allow
us
to
feel
your
presence
as
we
set
about
in
our
duties.
Mindful
of
your
humble
guidance
for
those
in
need
are
feeling
the
effects
of
ill
health.
We
pray
for
your
gentle
hand,
of
relief
and
recovery.
G
A
Thank
you
if
you'll
join
me
in
the
pledge
of
allegiance
right
here,
I
pledge.
H
The
judge
has
just
entered
into
the
courtroom.
This
may
be
the
time
that
verdict
is
coming
in.
We
will
take
a
pause
to
see
what
happens.
The
verdict
is
going
to
be
ready
in
two
seconds
looks
like.
I
H
I
I
I
I
same
caption
verdict,
count
three
media
during
the
above
and
general
matter
of
count
three
secondary
manslaughter
culpable
negligence,
creating
unreasonable
risk
find
the
defendant
guilty.
This
verdict
agreed
to
this
20th
day
of
april
2021
at
1,
45,
p.m,
jury,
four
person,
zero,
one,
nine
members
of
the
jury,
I'm
now
going
to
ask
you
individually.
If
these
are
please
respond,
yes
or
no
juror
number
two:
are
these
your
true
and
correct?
Verbs,
germ,
nine
right,
number,
nine,
correct
purpose:
yeah.
I
I
I
I
A
All
right,
thank
you.
There
was
a
delay
in
the
sound
from
where
you
were
broadcasting
versus
mine,
but
I
I
guess
the
verdict
was
guilty
on
all
three
counts.
Correct,
that's
correct,
judge,
mayor.
A
Tragedy
since
the
death
of
george
floyd
almost
a
year
ago,
has
has
been
a
real
tragedy
in
our
country
and
and
I
do
hope
that
the
trial
will
bring
a
sense
of
of
justice,
although
you
can't
bring
someone
you'll
never
bring
mr
floyd
back,
obviously,
but
hopefully
we'll
bring
some
sense
of
justice
here.
So
let's
discuss
this
matter.
A
If
you,
if
you
don't
mind
after
we
go
through
the
redistricting,
both
tracy
mckee
and
julia
copeland
have
a
little
presentations
to
run
through
with
us,
with
what
staff
has
been
working
on
to
kind
of
uncover
all
the
facts
about
what
we
know
with
reapportionment
and
timing
and
the
legality
of
all
this.
So
tracy,
you
don't
mind,
kicking
us
off.
That
would
be
great.
J
A
A
All
right,
well
not
seeing
tracy's,
show
back
up
julia.
You
want
to
proceed
with
your
portion.
L
E
We
go
ahead
and
do
that
because
we
we
could
I'd,
entertain
a
motion
to
add
that
I'll
make
a
motion
that
we
had.
That
item.
N
Regarding
the
potential
curfew,
order
to
the
agenda.
A
Terrific,
okay,
we'll
take
that
matter
up
first,
since,
as
as
fate
has
had
it
susan
do
you
want
to
introduce.
A
Correct
exactly
and
do
you
want
to
introduce
the
matter
itself,
the
the
proposed
ordinance.
O
Yes,
sir,
so
this
is
an
emergency
ordinance
which
we're
asking
for
you
to
authorize
the
mayor
in
consultation
with
the
police
chief
to
implement
a
curfew
for
public
health
and
safety
when
necessary
or,
if
necessary,
there's
no
curfew
that
we're
asking
to
be
in
place
right
now,
but
basically
we're
requesting
you
all
give
the
mayor
and
with
the
advice
of
the
police
chief,
the
general
authority,
to
impose
a
curfew
time
and
day
and
place
to
be
determined
we
by
them.
O
We
think
it's
important
to
have
this
authority
in
the
mayor
and
chief
chiefs
toolbox,
given
how
quickly
these
circumstances
change,
and
we
you
know-
are
recommending
this
in
order
to
protect
obviously
public
safety
and
property,
and
to
make
sure
that
we
are
absolutely
prepared
to
respond
to
any
situation
that
may
arise
as
a
result
of
the
verdict
in
the
shaving
trial,
as
well
as
any
other
emerging
circumstances
that
are
taking
place
across
the
country
and
in
our
state.
I
N
A
A
Thank
you,
yeah.
I
lost
my
train
of
thought.
There
have
been
other
events,
including
the
death
of
dante
wright
just
a
week
ago,
which
led
to
the
march
and
protests
that
we
saw
in
the
city
on
sunday
evening.
A
I
want
to
commend
chief
reynolds
and
our
police
department
the
way
they
handle
that
event,
but
they
have
requested
that
we
have
this
tool
in
our
toolbox
and,
frankly,
I
feel
it's
appropriate
to
have
it.
I
can
assure
you
it
would
be
most
judiciously
considered
before
recommending
one,
and
I
would
immediately
communicate
with
council
as
as
to
if
that
need
arise,
arose.
H
Yes,
yes,
mr
mayor-
and
I
think
you
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
with
that-
the
there
have
been
certain
events
that
happened
across
our
country
over
since
last
year,
in
particular
what
happened
in
the
last
month,
things
that
are
out
of
our
control,
things
that
occurred
in
other
jurisdictions,
but
we
saw
the
assembly
that
took
place
on
sunday
a
commend
the
chief
for
being
prepared
for
that
having
his
men
and
women
out
there.
They
averted
anything
from
happening
that
that
could
have
turned
into
violence.
H
You
know,
I
think
that
we
are
at
least
I
am
I'll
speak
for
myself.
I'm
relieved
that
this
verdict
has
come
in
the
way
that
it
did.
I
think
there
was
a
whole
lot
of
apprehension
locally.
I
think
there
was
a
whole
lot
of
apprehension
nationally
as
to
what
that's
what
it
could
have
been
and
the
impact
that
it
had.
H
We
still
you
know
we're
not
out
of
the
woods
completely
with
this.
I
think
that
we
probably
are,
but
why
not
have
to
be
on
the
safe
side?
Let's
be
cautious
with
this,
we
saw
too
much
what
happened
last
year
with
something
that
started
off
relatively
peaceful,
that
turned
into
something
very
violent
in
a
very
short
period
of
time.
Let's,
let's
not
take
that
chance.
This
is
a
very
short
time
frame
for
this
curfew
and
I
would
suspect
that
the
man
would
probably
let
us
know
what
his
thinkings
are.
H
Our
thoughts
were
if
something
was
turning
sour
very
quickly,
but
this
just
gives
him
the
opportunity
to
to
do
that
and
for
a
short
period
of
time,
and
if
we
don't
need
it,
we
don't
need
it.
Thank.
A
K
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Could
we
and
I
understand
all
of
that,
can
I
can
we
hear
from
the
chief
of
chief
reynolds-
can
kind
of
walk
us
through
even
sunday
in
that
situation,
up
to
where
we
are
now,
knowing
that
the
verdict
is
what
has
been
delivered
today,.
M
J
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
you
know
my
question
was
geared
a
little
bit
more
towards
chief
reynolds
and
I
think
that
it
may
be
helpful
when
he
comes
on
the
line
too.
I.
A
Can't
wait
for
him
is
have
any
other
comments
that
don't
require
the
chief
or.
C
I
apologize
that
I
didn't
retain
the
the
length
of
time
we
would
be
giving
you
this
authority
is
it?
Is
it
48.
A
Okay,
great-
and
let
me
also
in
my
commendation
of
their
efforts
on
sunday,
also
say
that
they
allowed
those
gathered
to
express
themselves
and
you
know
express
their
concerns
and
exercise
their
first
amendment
rights.
So
we
we
by
all
means
want
people
to
speak
up,
but
we
just
want
them
to
follow
the
rules
that
so
to
speak,
and
sometimes
that
can
be
challenging.
A
A
A
I
A
A
There
you
are
hey
chief
councilmember
waring,
you
want
to
restate
your
question.
K
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
chief.
I
wanted
to
know
leading
up
from
sunday,
obviously
show
of
force
up
to
the
verdict.
That's
been
delivered
today.
Can
you
explain
to
us
some
of
your
needs
as
a
police
chief,
for
this
ordinance
to
be
able
to
be
on
an
emergency
basis?
Can
you
tell
us
what
you
what
you're
trying
to
do?
In
other
words,
what
you'd
like
to
have
the
rights
to
authority
to
do,
or
not
do
frankly,
yeah.
Q
Thank
you
mayor.
I
I
think
the
the
verdict
is
the
the
correct
verdict.
It's
I
think
people
demanded
justice.
I
think
they
demanded
accountability.
I
think
they
demanded
justice
in
the
killing
of
george
floyd,
but
I
have
to
say
that
the
anger,
the
demand
for
justice,
the
pain
is
not
just
gone
because
of
this
verdict.
My
focus
has
never
been
solely
on
the
the
verdict
of
george
floyd's
killing.
Q
I
think
that's
a
part
of
a
much
bigger
discussion
and
I
I
think
you
have
dante
wright.
You
have
a
lieutenant
in
the
military.
Just
within
the
last
week
he
was
accosted
by
the
police.
It
appeared
not
to
be
a
very
good
interaction
and
a
variety
of
other
things
that
are
in
the
front
of
the
news
and
so
there's
also
post
verdict.
Q
Celebration
concerns
there's,
as
we
speak,
a
protester
doing
a
live
news
conference
talking
about
things
that
that,
frankly,
there's
a
lot
of
people
with
a
lot
of
emotion,
saying
a
lot
of
things
that
I
don't
believe
are
unifying
or
helpful
to
our
community,
and
so
I
think
the
message
has
to
be
that
we
continue
to
work
together
for
unity
to
solve
problems
to
get
through
this
period
of
our
city,
where
we
come
together
that
we
do
not
have
any
violence,
and
I
think
we
have
to
pay
very
close
attention
as
we
navigate
tonight
and
the
days
ahead.
Q
So
just
because
a
verdict
has
been
delivered.
I
do
not
believe
that
the
concerns
in
our
community
are
over
with
on
any
given
day.
We
have
violence
and
other
issues
and,
as
we
learned
may
30th
of
last
year,
it
doesn't
take
much
to
erupt,
an
emotional
crowd
who
has
anger
that
has
built
up
over
the
years.
Q
Who've
experienced
things
that
they're
they
they
want
their
voices
to
be
heard
and
uplifted.
So
we
have
up
staffing.
We
have
a
lot
of
plans
in
place.
Q
I've
been
in
contact
with
my
federal
state
and
local
counterparts
today
and
the
nation,
the
state,
the
region,
our
city,
we're
all
preparing
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
be
focused
on
keeping
our
city
safe,
uplifting,
those
people's
voices
that
want
to
be
heard,
making
sure
that
they're,
peaceful
and
lawful
and
those
people
that
choose
to
not
be
lawful
and
and
commit
any
acts
of
violence
or
crime
or
unlawful
activities.
Q
We
need
to
be
prepared
to
deal
with
so
this
ordinance
and
this
this
emergency
discussion
is
simply
a
way
of
giving
us
a
tool,
an
option,
no
matter
what
we
do.
I
think
it
would
be
a
coordinated
discussion
with
the
whatever
communities
that
may
or
may
not
be
affected
by
the
need
to
enact
such
an
ordinance,
but
I
think,
having
that
tool
on
our
tool
belt
having
that
in
our
pockets,
the
ability
to
implement
a
curfew
is
a
really
good
idea.
Q
It's
something
that,
frankly
of
all
the
stones
that
I
think
we've
overturned,
that's
one
of
them.
That
needs
to
be
done,
and
it's
more
precautionary,
and
it's
more
just
in
case.
Do
I
have
a
reason
to
do
that
tonight
right
now?
No,
and
I
hope
that
doesn't
occur
where
that's
necessary,
but
there
are
people
as
we've
seen,
and
we
saw
it
on
sunday
who
have
chosen
not
to
adhere
to
our
permitting
process
who
have
made
it
very
clear
that
they
do
not
want
to
obey
the
law.
Q
They
do
not
want
to
adhere
to
safe
practices,
and
some
of
those
groups
are
growing
in
number
and
they
want
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
our
city
and
and
we're
going
to
deal
with
that
and
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
violence
or
those
types
of
problems
that
we
had
last
year.
And
so
that's
that's.
Why
we're
having
this
discussion?
I
think,
hopefully,
that
that
answers
your
question.
Q
I
think
I
haven't
really
talked
to
that.
One
specifically
the
mayor,
but
I
think
30
days
is,
is
adequate
and
then
a
re
discussion
you
know
and
a
re-up,
but
I
I
that's
not
my
you
know
my
bailiwick,
but
I
would
say
30
days
would
would
certainly
give
us
a
good
gauge
of
where
our
country,
where
our
region,
where
this
narrative
is
going
to
take
us.
Thank
you,
sir.
J
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
chief
for
everything,
you're
doing
and
continuing
to
do,
and
I
just
had
a
question
and
I'm
not
seeking
anything
that
is
considered
a
tactical
or
that
would
put
your
men
and
women
in
harm's
way
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
but
I
think
it
might
be
helpful
for
the
public
if
we
could
maybe
talk
at
a
very
ten
thousand
foot
level
about
the
utility
of
a
curfew,
why
do
we
have
a
curfew?
I've
heard
some
comments
to
the
effect
of
well.
J
Why
don't
you
just
arrest
the
bad
guys?
Well,
you
know
I
sort
of
have
my
thoughts
on
that,
but
I
thought
that
it
might
be
better
to
hear
from
from
you
an
expert
in
this
like
from
a
what
is
what
is
the
purpose
of
this
mechanism
that
we're
talking
about
today.
Q
Well,
let
me
address
those
who
people
think
we
should
arrest
the
bad
guys.
We
do
that
every
single
day
we're
fighting
violence
in
our
city
every
day,
we're
arresting
people
with
guns
every
single
night.
We
got
seven
guns
off
the
street.
Q
I
think
friday
night
we
got
two
more
saturday
night,
we've
gotten
machine
guns,
we've
gotten
our
officers
shot
at
this
year.
I
could
go
on
and
on
about
that,
I
think
that's
important.
I
agree
that
we
should
arrest
the
bad
guys
in
a
large
protest
environment
where
there's
large
numbers
of
people.
Q
It
takes
a
lot
of
our
bodies
to
get
to
that
point,
and
that
is
not
the
best
place
for
us
to
be.
Where
we
confront
people
and
we're
making
arrests,
we
will
make
arrests,
we've
made
arrests
and
we'll
continue
to
make
arrests.
That
is
not
the
only
way
to
do
it,
and,
and
so
a
big
part
of
managing
peacefully
and
successfully
a
first
amendment.
Q
Protest
event
is
by
upstaffing
it's
by
communicating
with
the
protesters
it's
by
having
a
plan
it's
by
giving
adhering
to
the
plan
allowing
them
to
have
their
voices
heard,
allowing
to
them
to
to
exercise
their
first
amendment
rights.
There's
a
lot
of
people.
That
would
just
say:
hey:
they
don't
have
any
business
here.
Well,
actually
they
do.
The
law
protects
the
first
amendment.
People
have
a
right
to
be
heard
to
have
their
message
be
heard
and
no
matter
what
the
content
is.
Q
It's
not
for
us
to
tell
them
what
to
say
it's
for
us
to
help
them
do
that
peacefully,
and
that
takes
additional
staffing.
It
takes
strategies
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
people
working
together
and
it's
not
just
the
police
department.
It's
the
community
working
together
with
us
as
well,
not
sure
if
I
answer
your
question
is
that
was
that
a
good
answer.
E
N
Sir,
and
and
chief,
I
think
you
did
a
great
job
sunday
night.
I
think
that
your
officers
did
a
great
job,
defusing
the
situation,
and
I
think
if
we,
you
know,
look
at
that
entire
situation.
Yes,
obviously
there
were
some
people
that
got
out
in
the
street.
I
saw
a
picture
where
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
standoff
of
sorts,
but
you
know
it
was
a
very
good
compromise.
You
allowed
people
to
exercise
their
first
amendment,
you
kept
people
safe.
N
I
saw
some
pictures
of
patrons
at
restaurants,
sitting
outside
being
right
in
the
middle
of
the
fray,
and
I
saw
the
look
on
their
faces
and
it
wasn't
good,
but
at
the
same
time
I
understand
that
you
know
we
all
agree
that
charleston
is
very
wide
open
right
now
and
our
business
community
downtown
is
flourishing
after
a
very
very
tough
year
and
if
we
were
to
prematurely
execute
a
curfew,
we're
going
to
shut
down
a
lot
of
businesses
that
really
need
the
business
right
now
they're
just
now,
starting
to
come
back,
not
to
mention
the
perception
when
we
start
shutting
down
businesses.
N
What
that
can
do,
it
could
cause
a
lot
of
people
to
leave
this
city.
I
think
we're
doing
a
great
job
being
very
proactive.
I
thought
that
the
response
of
your
your
troops,
I
thought
the
response
of
of
how
you've
put
the
message
out
has
been
fantastic.
N
I
think
you,
your
your
guys,
did
an
amazing
job
of
keeping
the
peace.
My
question
is:
what
would
it
hurt
if
we
felt
like
there
was
an
imminent
need
coming
for
a
curfew?
What
would
it
hurt
for
us
to
meet
as
a
council
and
have
that
discussion
rather
than
find
out
about
it?
After
the
fact,
I
think,
as
a
city
council
as
an
elected
body,
I
don't
think
it
would
hurt
for
us
to
call
an
emergency
session
of
city
council
and
have
this
discussion.
Q
So
I
I
if,
if
I
can
respond
to
that
and
that
I
will
just
first
of
all
agree
that
doing
a
curfew
is,
is
not
something
that
we
want
to
do.
We've
developed
a
good
relationship
with
the
all
of
our
communities.
Q
If,
on
the
other
hand,
we
had
an
event
like
we
had
last
year,
and
everybody
painfully
remembers
the
horrible
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
of
loss
and
experience
that
we
had
and
things
go
sideways
like
that,
I
promise
you.
I've
had
many
many
many
very
direct
conversations
with
our
business
owners
and
they
would
be
the
first
ones
to
say
we
don't
want
to
get
stuck
in
our
businesses
being
assaulted
and
shot
and
looted
and
having
our
windows
broken
and
all
those
other
things
and
have
the
council
calling
a
meeting.
Q
We
want
a
curfew
and
we
want
the
safest
possible
outcome.
If
that
means
we
need
to
shut
down
early,
even
with
the
code.
I
got
really
good
feedback
from
the
businesses
that
I'd
say
many
of
the
businesses
I'd
say:
probably
a
majority
liked
closing
earlier,
and
so
I
can't
speak
to
the
to
the
politics
of
that.
But
I'll
just
say
when
I
need
to
make
that
decision.
I
don't
want
to
wait
for
a
a
council
call.
Q
I
need
that
decision
to
be
made
quickly
efficiently
and
that's
the
only
thing
that
we
don't
have
right
now
that
I
need
at
some
point
to
be
able
to
say
we're,
closing
the
park,
we're
enacting
a
curfew,
we're
going
to
start
closing
roads
and
we're
going
to
not
allow
anybody
to
come
back
in
here
so
that
we
never
ever
ever
have
what
happened
again
last
year
to
our
businesses
to
our
visitors
to
our
tourists.
My
daughter
works
on
king
street.
I
love
king
street.
P
P
I
don't
know
if
emergency
ordinances
have
to
have
a
a
minimum
or
if
it
can
be
for
24
hours
or
a
week,
or
something
like
that.
I
feel
like
60
days
and
maybe
even
30,
we're
certainly
meeting
in
the
meantime
and
should
things
progress
we
will
find
ourselves
meeting
in
the
meantime
to
me
this
is
more
we're
we're
we're
convened
right
now.
So
if
something
were
to
happen,
if
something
were
to
transpire
in
the
next,
you
know
12
to
24
hours.
P
We
have
this
accessible,
but
you
know,
like
I
said,
is
you
know,
and
my
fellow
downtown
council
members
can
speak,
but
you
know
I.
I
believe
that
my
folks
would
want
to
know
that
this
is
available
for
them.
H
Was
gonna
make
a
motion
there
to
amend
this
to
a
from
a
60-day
to
a
30-day
window?
All
right,
I
think,
that's
prudent.
This
comes
from
the
chapel
said
we
will
probably
meet,
maybe
once
it
might
be
twice
in
between
that
time,
and
so,
if
we
need
to
extend
it,
we
can
do
it.
Then,
if
we
need
to
do
other
measures,
we
can
do
it
as
well,
and
I
just
want
to
echo,
because
I
have
been
in
contact
with
the
chief
throughout
this
and
talk
with
him.
H
These
things
can
can
turn
very
quickly
and
I
just
want
you
know.
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
calendar.
George
floyd
was
killed
on
on
a
monday
memorial
day,
and
it
was
that
saturday
several
days
later,
and
I
don't
think
anybody
had
an
inkling
as
to
what
the
level
of
violence
was
going
to
take
place
in
our
community
on
that
late
saturday
afternoon
evening,
and
it
turned
very
quickly
and
it
did
take
a
while
for
us
to
assemble
it.
Just
wasn't
a
matter
of
five
or
ten
minutes.
We
had
all.
H
It
was
a
saturday
we're
all
doing
our
different
things
with
our
friends
and
families,
as
we
should
be
doing,
and
it
did
take
a
little
while
for
us
to
assembly
to
assemble
and
the
chief
needed
that
for
that
authority
the
man
needed
that
authority
much
more
quickly
and
that's
available.
This
is
not
something
that
we're
going
to
impose
radically
or
as
a
knee-jerk
reaction.
H
They
know
what's
going
on,
they
got
good
intelligence
out
there.
They
got
good
sources
out
there,
that's
what
is
occurring
and
as
soon
as
they
they
smell,
something
that
turns
sour
they'll
go
to
the
mayor
and-
and
I
think
that's
what's
going
to
happen
in
this
instance-
it
may
not
happen
at
all.
H
I
I,
I
feel
a
little
more
optimistic
and
relieved,
but
I
just
think
that
this
is
just
prudent
and
if
anything
from
last
year
taught
us
anything
was
to
be
extraordinarily
more
prepared
than
than
before,
and
that's
just
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
So
I
I
think
we
got
a
second
on
the
on
the
motion
to
admit
to
30
days.
P
What
would
be
the
consider,
what
would
be
the
consideration
of
scaling
it
back
even
more,
and
we
have
council
on
tuesday
if
we
make
it
effective
through
tuesday,
or
would
we
take
it
back
up
on
tuesday
to
see
if
it
needs
to
continue
or
if
it
discontinues?
At
that
point,
I
don't.
I
don't
want
a
full
30
days
to
go
without
revisiting.
This
is
is
my
concern.
A
Well,
we
can
bring
it
up
whenever
we
meet
and
if
we
make
it
for
30
days,
which
I
think
is
reasonable
under
circumstances
and
and
we
have
a
meeting
or
the
next
meeting
and
y'all
say,
let's
make
a
motion,
let's
just
end
it
we
can.
We
can
make
that
decision
whenever
we
meet.
P
G
A
Yes,
I
think
we
have
a
public
safety
meeting
before
the
next
council.
Why
don't
we
put
on
the
committee
agenda
jennifer
and
then
have
it
report
up
to
council?
Is
that
satisfactory?
That
satisfactorily.
A
So
if
I
may
call
a
question
on
the
ordinance
as
amended
to
a
30-day
limit,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
aye.
He
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
I
I
do
think
this
is
a
wise
thing
to
have
this
tool
in
our
toolbox.
A
I
remember
so
clearly
on
the
evening
of
may
30th
and
frankly,
we
waited
until
there
were
many
lessons
learned:
okay
and
we've
been
through
those,
but
one
of
them
that
I
remember
clearly
is
that
we
really
called
for
the
ability
to
have
the
curfew
after
the
first
glass
was
broken
and
y'all.
That
was
too
late.
It
was
too
late.
So
so
this
gives
us
the
ability
to
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
if
needed.
I
feel
good
about
things.
A
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
need
this,
but
again
it's
good
to
have
in
our
pocket.
So
without
further
ado
now
tracy
you're
rebooted
you're
online
want
to
start
with
your
portion
of
the
redistricting
discussion.
R
So
tonight
is
really
information,
only
there's
not
going
to
be
any
action
taken
on
redistricting,
but
we
recognize
that
this
is
a
process
that
is
new
to
most
of
you
as
an
elected
official.
So
we
really
wanted
to
provide
some
background.
Information
and
also
legal
is
going
to
walk
you
through
some
of
the
options
for
how
we
go
through
adopting
sorry
how
for
adoption
of
the
new
district
boundaries,
sorry
a
little
tip
of
my
throat.
R
So
why
do
we
do
this?
You
all
probably
are
very
aware
of
why
we
do
this,
but
it's
to
me
constitutional
requirements
of
one
person,
one
vote:
how
do
we
get
this
done
so
we're
going
to
follow
the
constitutional
and
statutory
principles
we
will
go
through
iterations
of
a
few
different
maps
and
once
we
start
to
get
consensus
on
a
solid
plan,
we
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
then
this
does
require
two
readings
of
counsel,
with
a
plan
map
and
or
description.
R
So
what
are
our
legal
requirements?
Some
of
you?
Well,
I
know
some
of
you
know-
and
some
of
you
who
may
not,
who
were
not
here
10
years
ago,
may
not
know
that
we
in
the
past,
we
had
to
submit
our
plans
to
the
usdoj
for
pre-clearance,
so
that
is
no
longer
a
requirement.
So
we
do
not
have
to
do
that
this
time
and
also
there
are
some
some
places
that
will
try
to,
or
I
think
that
they
use
voting
age
population
to
to
reapportion.
R
R
R
So
what
are
the
key
principles
that
we're
going
to
use
for
redistricting?
Obviously,
the
primary
one
is
one
person
one
vote
and
our
goal
is
that
we
want
less
than
10
percent
deviation.
So
that
means,
when
we
are
done,
each
district
will
have
the
same
number
of
people
not
to
deviate
by
more
than
10
percent.
R
R
We
want.
We
want
to
minimize
the
impact
to
voters
right,
so
we
don't
want
to
change
their
district
if
we
don't
have
to.
But
that
also
means
preserving
the
council
member.
That's
in
that
district,
so
meaning
we
do.
We
do
whatever
we
can
to
not
draw
somebody
out
of
their
district
through
the
whole
process.
R
R
R
So
once
that's
released,
then
we
we
actually
use
gis
software.
Luckily,
we
have
a
stellar
gis
team
who,
who
is
just
wonderful
and
they
have
all
the
expertise
needed
to
to
do
the
analysis
and
help
create
the
district
boundaries,
so
that
touches
a
little
bit
on
who,
but
I
do
want
to
emphasize
city
this.
Is
the
city
council
plan
right?
So
this
is
your
plan.
You
must
give
the
final
approval
for
the
plant
through
city
ordinance.
R
We
also
met
with
a
lot
of
community
groups,
a
lot
of
stakeholders,
and
so
we
had
talked
about
maybe
creating
a
redistricting
commission
that
would
act
kind
of
like
a
in
a
role
that
would
provide
some
credibility
to
our
process,
but
also
make
sure
that
the
process
and
the
plans
represent
the
whole
community
as
well,
so
making
sure
that
we're
very
inclusive
in
the
process-
and
this
is
just
kind
of
some
some
of
the
groups
that
we
thought
should
be
engaged
through-
that
commission
or
we'd
be
part
of
the
commission
simply
because
of
their
involvement
with
redistricting
in
the
past.
R
R
When
this
is
this
is
a
big
question.
I
think,
as
a
lot
of
you
know
again,
you
know
this
all
hinges
on
the
release
of
that
data
set
by
the
by
the
u.s
census
department.
We
normally
get
that
data
set
by
march
30th
after
census
year,
so
we
all
know
that
we
have
not
received
it.
They
are
telling
us
that
we
should
receive
it
on
september
30th.
So
that
is
the
date
that
that
we
know
of
at
this
moment.
R
L
Excellent,
thank
you
tracy
good
evening,
mayor
and
council.
We
are
going
to
give
you
a
brief
presentation
as
well.
Our
goal
tonight
really
is
to
arm
you
with
as
much
information
as
we've
gathered
regarding
your
options
with
regard
to
how
you
want
to
proceed
with
the
elections
and
whether
or
not
they
are
considered
defensible
if
challenged
in
a
court
of
law.
So
once
I
go
through
this
presentation,
please
know
that
we
will
share
these
slides
with
you
I'll
share
any
case
law.
L
L
Okay,
can
you
all
see
that
excellent
okay,
election
2021?
Here
we
go.
Let's
start
with
some
context:
okay,
our
current
timeline
that
we're
going
to
be
working
with
and,
of
course,
tracy
shared.
Some
of
that,
but
just
know
you
know
your
your
formal
filing
window
will
be
the
first
monday
of
august
to
october
2nd,
and
the
release
of
the
data
is
scheduled
for
september
30th.
But
that's
still
a
big
question
mark.
L
L
The
average
time
just
historically
for
the
city
to
redistrict
and
adopt
new
maps
is
around
two
to
three
months
from
what
we've
gathered
from
the
data
and
also
just
so
you
know,
the
cost
of
the
2019
election
to
the
city
was
about
123
000.
So
I
wanted
to
give
you
those
things
just
to
keep
in
the
back
of
your
mind
as
we
go
through
this.
So
what
are
our
options?
Ladies
and
gentlemen,.
A
S
G
B
Yes,
I
occur
with
that
too,
because
sickness
is
only
two
weeks
for
long
as
I've
been
in
councils
only
two
weeks
in
august.
B
G
L
L
Point
all
right,
I
appreciate
it
so
our
options.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
first
of
all,
we
could
adopt
a
new
map
and
delay
the
election
to
spring
of
2022
using
that
new
map,
or
we
could
proceed
with
the
2021
november
elections
using
the
current
map
and
the
requirement
for
a
special
election.
I
am
going
to
touch
on
that
as
we
get
further
down
the
slides,
but
I
just
wanted
you
to
keep
in
mind.
L
These
are
the
two
options
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
in
this
presentation,
and
just
so
you
know,
the
municipal
association
of
south
carolina
has
released
a
statement
basically
saying
that,
under
under
federal
and
state
law,
either
option
is
defensible
and
we're
going
to
go
through
the
reasons.
Why
and
ultimately
it's
a
decision
for
you
as
council
to
make
going
forward
taking
into
account
local
politics,
demographics
and
population
trends.
So
with
that
in
mind,
let's
talk
about
option
one.
Shall
we
let's
talk
about
delaying
the
election
until
the
spring
of
2022.?
L
L
We
have
one
supreme
court
case
in
south
carolina
that
talks
to
this
and
cites
to
this
statute
and
again
supports
the
notion
that
we
do
have
the
ability
to
hold
our
elections
whenever
we
wish
south
carolina
attorney
general
there's
quite
a
few
opinions
floating
around.
Regarding
this
particular
issue,
I
shared
just
a
few
with
you
that
I
think
really
hit
on
the
point
that
you
can,
as
a
municipality,
extend
or
shorten
terms
of
council
members
by
an
ordinance.
L
The
only
thing
you
must
do
is
make
sure
that
you
state
that
it
is
reasonable
and
for
a
public
purpose
if
challenged
and
also
just
bear
in
mind
the
notion
that,
while
you're
waiting
for
the
election
to
approach
in
the
spring
of
2022,
you
are
essentially
extending
your
time
in
office
and
the
people
that
are
coming
in
after
you
are
shortening
their
chairman
office.
But
those
those
options
are
defensible
according
to
south
carolina
state
law
and
our
attorney
general.
L
H
L
It
must
be
reasonable
and
for
a
public
purpose
and
both
of
those
must
be
stated
in
the
ordinance
and
the
language
of
the
ordinance
and
what
we
did
here
for
you
guys
is
just
to
consider
a
proposed
schedule
with
a
lot
of
ifs.
Suppose
if,
let's
say
the
census,
data
comes
out
in
a
timely
and
seamless
manner
right
it
comes
out
on
the
right
date.
There's
no
challenges.
L
Let's
say
we
choose
the
election
date
of
the
primary
that
would
be
june.
14
2022..
That
means
we
would
need
to
have
a
map
approved
by
february
22nd
in
order
to
meet
the
filing
deadline,
because
the
filing
period
would
open
on
march
16th.
L
So
again,
if
we're
delaying
the
election,
the
current
members
remain
until
election
and
verification
of
any
successors
and
the
newly
elected
council
members
would
be
elected
under
a
shortened
term.
So
bear
that
in
mind
and,
like
I
said
these
dates,
they're
not
set
in
stone.
It's
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
your
options
could
be.
If
you
chose
to
delay
the
election,
do
you
guys
have
any
questions
before
I
move
on
nobody?
Okay,.
G
L
Yeah
that
was
actually
impressive.
I
did
read
the
minutes
regarding
all
of
that.
There
was
a
lot
going
on.
I
think
what
we.
L
H
G
So
tracy
will
know
the
answer
to
that,
but
it
wasn't
very
long.
They
did
not
adjust
us
last
time.
They
adjusted
us
back
in
2000
and
that
actually
delayed
us,
but
doj
we
got
through
doj
very
quickly.
It
was
not
a
long
period
of
time
and
councilmember.
Mitchell.
Gregory
would
probably
remember
too,
but.
J
T
Q
H
H
Right
right
so
of
the
seven
weeks
was
it
five
weeks
of
preparation
and
planning,
and
you
know.
I
G
R
L
Any
other
questions,
okay,
we'll
move
on
then
all
right.
Let's
talk
about
proceeding
with
the
november
election,
some
points.
I
want
you
guys
to
consider.
So
the
first
question
is:
if
the
city
does
proceed
with
the
november
election,
is
there
a
potential
violation
of
the
equal
protection
voting
rights
act
and
the
short
answer
to
that
is
no,
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
why,
but
I
want
you
to
consider
these
two
points.
L
First
of
all,
south
carolina
is
only
one
of
seven
states
that
has
no
statutory
requirement.
With
regard
to
timing,
some
states
say
once
the
census
data
comes
out.
You
have
30
days
to
get
a
new
map
drawn
and
adopted.
South
carolina
doesn't
have
that
so
there's
a
challenge
as
to
when
we
reapportion
and
adopt
a
map.
It
will
be
driven
by
case
law
as
far
as
a
consideration
by
the
court.
L
So
what
do
the
federal
courts
say?
So
I
I
put
down
four
specific
cases
at
the
bottom
here,
there's
nothing
from
the
fourth
circuit.
Just
so
you
all
know
nothing
close
to
south
carolina.
We've
got
seventh
circuit,
we've
got
third
alabama.
L
Pennsylvania,
chicago
is
usually
where
a
lot
of
the
challenges
are
filed,
but
of
those
cases
the
courts
hold,
there
is
no
violation
of
the
equal
protection
clause
or
the
voting
rights
act
so
long
as
you
as
the
governing
body,
are
working
on
a
reasonably
reasonable
plan
for
periodic
reapportionment
and
what
is
reasonable,
they're
all
over
the
place.
This
one
particular
case,
garcia
versus
2011,
reapportionment
commission
from
2013.
L
There
were
12
appeals
filed
all
related
to
this,
so
most
of
the
delay,
I'm
sure
was
associated
with
the
court,
but
just
so
you
know
it's
all
over
the
map
as
far
as
how
long
as
long
as
it's
reasonably
conceived
and
we're
working
toward
that
end
again,
the
municipal
association
stepped
in
and
said
you
know
you
can
proceed
with
your
fall
elections
as
scheduled
using
the
old
ward
maps,
but
just
make
sure
that
we're
diligently
working
to
complete
the
redistricting
as
quickly
as
possible
and
practical.
L
L
Yes,
short
answer
is
no
congratulations,
councilman
vigil,
so
there
is
a
case
out
of
tennessee
in
a
case
out
of
pennsylvania
that
talk
about
this
specifically
and
what
I
found
pretty
interesting
about
this
is
it's
not
constitutionally
mandated
if
we
use
an
old
map
and
we
later
adopt
a
new
map
and
then
donatelli
the
third
circuit
case
out
of
pennsylvania.
L
It
says
if,
if,
if
any
constituent
is
disenfranchised,
they
consider
it
insignificant
and
analogous
to
that
suffered
by
voters
who
simply
move
from
one
district
to
another.
L
I
thought
that
was
pretty
strong
language
for
court
to
say
or
to
take
in
a
situation
like
this
and
both
of
these
french
and
donatelli,
the
council,
members
or
the
senators
were
they
were
elected
and
had
two
to
three
years
remaining
on
their
term
at
the
time,
and
one
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
to
you
in
these
two
cases,
the
court
considered
and
weighed
several
factors:
okay,
on
one
side,
they're
talking
about
the
expectations
of
voters
right
the
validity
of
those
four-year
terms.
I
elected
you
for
four
years.
L
I
expect
you
to
represent
me
for
those
four
years
they
considered
the
cost
of
elections
and
the
need
for
stability
and
continuity
of
office,
and
they
weighed
that
against
the
mathematical
equality
that
is
dictated
by
the
equal
protection
clause
and
the
voting
rights
act
and
they
determined
that
the
four
on
the
left
outweighed
the
one
on
the
right
now.
Why
am
I
talking
to
you
about
pennsylvania
and
channels?
L
Tennessee,
let
me
tell
you
what
we
got
one
case
in
south
carolina:
it's
judge
traxler,
it's
out
of
columbia,
scholaden
county
versus
mcconnell,
and
in
that
case
a
group
was
trying
to
enjoin
or
stop
at
special
election
using
an
old,
outdated
map
and
trexler.
L
Cites
specifically
word
for
word
to
the
french
case
in
allowing
them
to
proceed
with
the
special
elections
using
the
old
map.
I've
also
got
an
attorney
general
opinion
from
2012
strong
language.
Also
talking
about
temporary
disenfranchisement
is
okay,
and
it's
expected
and
combined
effective
reinforcement
and
a
staggered
election
plan
plan
citing
donatelli.
L
Then
I've
got
a
2014
ag
opinion
citing
to
the
2012
ag
opinion
again
satisfying
or
agreeing
with
the
notion
that
if
you
run
an
election
on
old
map,
there
is
no
need
or
no
need,
but
there's
no
constitutional
requirement
that
you
hold
a
special
election,
but
that
those
members
that
are
elected
on
the
old
map
can
fulfill
their
four-year
terms.
L
So
again,
if
we
proceed
with
the
november
election,
the
things
I
want
you
guys
to
consider
the
release
of
the
data
does
not
trigger
an
immediate
require
requirement
to
start
reapportionment
plans
and
the
federal
courts
are
more
apt
to
find
there's
no
constitutional
violation.
As
long
as
we
are
working
toward
a
reasonably
conceived
plan
for
periodic
reinforcement
and
also
if
the
new
map
disenfranchises
a
district
special
elections
are
not
required.
N
So
so
there
would
be
there's.
There
is
no
scenario
in
south
carolina,
no
legislation.
That
would
say
that
if
we
were
to
wait
and
do
the
maps
next
year
and
put
them
towards
you
know
the
next
election,
which
is
two
years
down
the
road.
L
B
Nothing
wearing
that,
oh.
K
L
I
mean
I
have
a
feeling
we'll
talk
about
these
when
we're
talking
about
the
scenarios.
Let's
say
you
know
I
I'm
represented
by
ross
appel,
I
vote
for
ross
appel
and
then
I
get
redistricted
into
council
member
mitchell's
district.
Well,
I
didn't
vote
for
councilman
mitchell,
so
I'm
disenfranchised
because
I
voted
for
someone
who
no
longer
represents
my
interests.
Okay
for
the
next
three
and
a
half
years.
Okay,.
K
A
L
Very
well
could
be
so.
Let's
talk
about
scenarios
scenario,
one
and
again
we're
throwing
these
out
here
for
conversation.
We
are
not
suggesting
that
you
take
any
of
these.
We're
not
saying
that
these
are
the
only
scenarios,
but
this
is
things
we're
putting
on
the
table.
So
you
guys
can
start
talking
about
what
you
think
is
best
so
scenario.
One
would
be
delaying
the
election.
L
We
adopt
the
map
to
go
into
effect
immediately
to
be
utilized
in
the
spring
and
that
would
be
held
for
all
even
seats,
so
the
current
sitting
members
would
stay
in
place
until
the
election
and
swearing
in
so
your
terms
will
be
extended
essentially
for
what
another,
five
six
months
until
until
your
successor
is
sworn
in,
and
then
the
newly
elected
members
would
have
a
shortened
term
three
and
a
half
years,
maybe
shorter
scenario,
two.
A
Julia
before
you
go
forward,
I
I
just
want
to
point
out
with
that
those
dates
you
had
with
this
scenario
earlier.
You
showed
the
election
to
be
june,
14th,
which
technically
is
in
the
summer
or
almost
as
right,.
A
Almost
summer
so,
but
the
the
thing
about
that
is,
it
would
fall
on
the
same
date
as
a
primary
election,
so
it
would
ostensibly
be
more
convenient
for
the
election
commission
and
probably
save
some
money
for
the
city
since
we're
not
running
the
election
on
our
own,
but
that's
just
a
a
sidebar.
G
If
I
might
just
comment
on
that
really
quickly,
mr
mayor,
I
think
one
of
the
problems
with
holding
an
election
in
a
nonpartisan
single
member
district
scenario
when
you
have
partisan
primary
elections
would
be
confusing
and
almost
unworkable.
Yes,
so
I
just
think
we
need
to
think
about
that
anyway.
There's
a
long
way
to
go
between
here
and
there,
but
I
do
think
that
that
is
probably
not
the
best
scenario.
L
C
I
I
I
don't
have
a
lot
to
comment
on
right
now.
I
just
wanted
council
member
seeking
to
clarify
his
last
statement.
I
think
he
meant
it
wasn't
a
good
date
for
a
scenario
one.
Would
you
agree
with
that.
A
I
think
what
he's
saying
is
it's
not
a
bad
scenario,
but
you
wouldn't
want
to
have
the
election
date
on
the
on
the
primary
date,
as
I
just
described,
you
could
have
it
in
early
may
or
in
late
april.
Maybe
right.
A
C
L
Okay,
so
scenario:
two
here's
another
option.
We
proceed
with
the
november
election
we
redistrict
and
adopt
the
map
to
take
effect
for
the
2023
elections.
All
odd
member
districts
will
run
for
a
four-year
term,
and
even
member
districts
will
run
for
a
two-year
term.
L
B
L
Scenario:
three
proceed
with
the
november
election
adopt
matt
to
take
effect
in
2023
upon
ratification.
The
odd
seats
would
run
by
the
new
map
and
the
even
seats
would
remain
and
fulfill
the
remainder
of
their
four-year
term
scenario.
Four
proceed
with
the
november
election:
adopt
the
map
to
take
effect,
2025,
even
seats,
fulfill
remainder
of
their
four-year
term.
Odd
seats
run
in
2023
by
the
old
map
and
they
also
fulfill
the
remainder
of
their
four-year
term.
L
So
those
are
the
only
four
I've
thrown
out
here
with
the
help
of
the
group,
but
before
we
start
going
into
discussion
about
scenarios,
I
just
want
you
to
know.
If
we
do
vote
to
proceed
with
the
november
election,
we
are
suggesting
that
we
do
it
by
resolution
just
to
be
clear
to
the
public.
But
again
that's
something!
That's
up
for
discussion.
We
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
We
need
it
by
may
or
june.
H
If
you
can
pull
those
back
up,
I
don't
know
if
I
saw
one
that
I
was
thought
was
also
doable.
Those
scenarios
so
go
back
to
scenario.
One.
K
H
H
Is
we
proceed
with
the
november
election
so
that
would
just
go
on
and
and
all
the
even
number
council
members
would
run,
they
have
opposition,
they
have
opposition
and
whatever
happened
for
that
election
happens
in
that
election
and
you
were
only
running
for
a
a
two-year
term
if
you're
an
even
numbered
council
member
and
then
in
2023,
all
of
us
will
be
up
again
for
a
four-year
term.
At
that
point,.
H
H
L
H
U
Okay,
you're
running
for
a
two-year
term
peter
in
your
existing
district
and
then
the
reapportionment
would
take
place
to
take
effect
in
the
2023
elections.
Everyone
would
run
in
their
new
districts.
The
odd
member
districts
would
run
for
a
four
year
term.
The
even
member
districts
were
going
for
a
two
year
term.
A
S
Well-
and
maybe
I
misunderstood,
but
in
in
that
scenario
we
were
talking
about
all
12
of
us
would
run
at
one
time
correct,
correct.
I
mean
wow
that
that
scares
me
a
little
bit.
It
could
be
a
complete
turnover,
a
council
in
one
year,
which
I
know
north
charleston
and
some
others
you
know
have
have
that
situation,
but
it
just
seems
like
a
scary
scenario
to
me.
L
G
So
I
think,
as
you
think
about
this-
and
we
talk
about
it
collectively,
as
a
group
is
a
fifth
scenario
that
to
me
would
probably
be
the
most
practical,
and
that
is
this-
that
we
have
elections
in
november.
If
we
choose
to
have
them,
we
then
get
the
numbers
and
we
redistrict,
and
only
if
redistricting
mandates.
So
we
have
a
special
election
or
two,
which
would
mean
that
we
redistrict
to
a
place
where
no
one
lives.
G
G
So
I
just
think
that's
to
me
the
simplest
and
easiest
scenario
that
requires
the
least
amount
of
work
and
worry
and
doesn't
put
us
all
up
for
election
in
one
year
after
having
had
to
run
campaigns
twice
in
two
years.
So
anyway,.
U
U
G
No
matter
what
no
matter
what
happens
rick
in
in
redistricting,
there
are
going
to
be
a
number
of
people
who
are
going
to
get
different
new
council
members.
Even
if
we
don't
change,
I
mean
last
time
in
2010,
as
you
recall,
not
that
I
mean
there's
lots
of
examples,
but
my
district
was
probably
an
extreme
example.
I
represented
half
of
west
vastly
in
half
downtown
and
within
two
years
of
the
election
I
was
all
downtown
so
more.
I
lost
almost
two-thirds
of
my
district.
G
So
if
we're
talking
about
not
having
the
person
that
you
voted
for
being
disenfranchised,
that's
going
to
happen,
no
matter
what
we
do
with
these
districts
and
the
other
example.
I
think
that's
likely
this
time
around
is
councilmember.
Del
chapo
has
probably
a
whole
district
sitting
there
at
daniel
island
all
to
herself,
and
she
currently
spans
an
entire
river
and
a
whole
other
part
of
the
city.
A
Well
and.
A
So
you
don't
you
don't
have
to
have
the
special
election
at
the
end
of
the
day,
every
citizen
is
going
to
be
in
a
district
and
be
represented
by
somebody.
You
know,
but
anyway,
that's
just
an
observation.
Council
member
shade.
H
Yeah,
yes,
sir,
mr
mayor,
this
is
maybe
more
for
for
tracy
than
this
or
julia
and
and
tracy,
not
that
I
want
you
to
guess,
but
I
I
suspect
there
are
other
tools
out
there,
aside
from
the
census
bureau,
that
sort
of
gives
us
sort
of
a
sense
of
how
the
population
has
shifted.
Is
that
accurate?
I
mean?
Do
you
have
an
idea
of
where
we're
going
to
really
need
to
be
looking
at
changing
some
of
these
district
lines?
Funny.
R
Yeah,
I'm
gonna
defer
to
the
legal
team
for
the
to
respond.
K
K
Council
remember:
go
back
to
scenario.
One
miss
copeland,
explain
to
me
the
advantage
of
waiting
until
potentially
you
know
five
six
months
they
have
an
election.
What's
the
advantage
of
doing
that.
L
L
K
O
O
You
know
one
is
if
you
get
your
map,
if
you've
already
held
your
elec
had
your
election
in
november,
and
you
look
at
your
map,
you
may
decide
that
it
is
so
disproportionate
to
where
you
are
right
now
that
you
may
want
to
hold
a
special
election
and
and
so
that
that
is
one
reason
to
delay.
Is
it
you
don't
go
through?
O
O
So
I
think
that's
one
or
two
of
the
arguments
that
have
been
put
out
there
for
scenario
number
one
and
I
see
council
member
jackson's
got
her
hand
up
and
she's
probably
got
about
10
other
reasons,
but
you.
K
I
got
to
be
frank,
I
think
what
councilmember
seeking
said
to
me
makes
the
most
sense,
but
anyway,
I
think
that
number
five
should
somehow
be
put
on
there.
I
understand
miss
copeland,
why
he
didn't
have
it
on
there,
but
I
think
that's
one
on
the
other
side
of
this
discussion
that
should
be
included.
A
C
Yeah,
I
would
just
thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
chance
to
just
I.
I
think
for
me
an
obvious
reason
to
consider
scenario
number
one,
or
you
know
at
least
look
at
its
pros
and
cons
seriously,
that
that
is
the
only
option
that
we
have.
That
would
assure
voters
that
they
live,
that
a
district
has
been
accurately
created
for
them
in
a
timely
manner
and
they
are
going
to
have
the
chance
to
vote
for
the
person
that
represents
their
accurately
redescribed
district.
K
Can
I
follow,
I
call
you
on
the
on
the
districts
that's
up
for
reelection,
but
I
I
represent
the
autonomous
district
so
and
in
your
example,
we
we
we
have
election
in
may,
so
the
even
number
district
you
were
right
on,
but
the
six
odd
number
district
we
still
subject
to
be
representing
people
that
didn't
vote
for
us.
You
know
with
the
redrawing
of
all
12
districts,
so
I
I
agree
with
you
on
on
half.
K
N
You
I
agree
with
councilmember
jackson,
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
there
that
are
skeptics
of
voting.
I
think
we've
obviously
seen
that
just
last
year.
N
One
thing
that
will
really
scare
people
is,
if
you
start
delaying
elections,
and
let
me
tell
you
why
I
feel
like
we
should
go
ahead
and
have
this
election
in
november.
Before
we
go
into
the
executive
session,
we
don't
know
how
the
federal
government
is
going
to
release
this
data,
or
when
that
scenario
number
one
was
presented
to
us
as
an
option
that
if
we
got
the
data
at
the
end
of
september,
if
everything
worked
out,
then
we
could
potentially
have
the
election.
N
You
know
late
spring
early
summer.
Let's
just
say
we
don't
get
the
data,
then
do
we
continue
to
delay
this
election
to
the
point
where
we're
now
serving
an
additional
year
of
a
four-year
term.
We
were
elected
to
serve
for
four
years
and
that's
what
we
need
to
do.
We
need
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
uphold
that
four
years
as
close
as
possible
and
not
knowing
you
know,
we're
we're
taking
a
shot
in
the
dark
to
say
that
we're
definitely
going
to
have
the
data
september
30th.
We
don't
get
it.
N
Let's
just
say
it:
delays
into
the
late
fall
or
into
the
winter.
We
we,
we
would
be
doing
a
disservice
to
our
citizens,
to
say
that
we
as
incumbents
are
deciding
that
we're
going
to
serve
an
additional
year,
and
that
to
me
is
going
to
really
really
hurt
the
morale
of
this
city.
So
I
think
that
number,
the
best
scenario
so
far
that
we've
been
presented
would
be
number
three,
because
we
don't
all
want
to
run
it
once
either.
N
We
have
staggered
elections
for
a
reason
that
we
have
some
continuity
each
time
that
we
run
by
having
six
people
that
have
some
experience.
We
all
know
how
we
felt
when
we
first
got
into
office.
It
was
a
pretty
steep
learning
curve,
those
first
six
months
to
a
year.
We
we
had
to
learn
a
lot.
Could
you
imagine
if
we
had
12
people
with
no
prior
knowledge
serving
all?
At
the
same
time,
it
would
be
very,
very
difficult.
N
So,
to
me
scenario,
three
makes
the
most
sense
and
if
we
were
to
take
a
vote,
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
vote
much.
You
know
as
soon
as
possible,
because
we
have
people
that
are
already
running
to
fill
these
seats.
We
have
people
that
are
running
for
re-election.
N
A
Councilmember
mitchell
and
then
gregory.
B
B
I
think
I'm
one
of
the
oldest
one
been
there
and
even
have
got
caught
up
in
redistricting
when
two
district
was
merged
together,
two
and
four
at
the
time,
and
I
had
to
come
back
and
run
again,
but
I
didn't
run.
I
stayed
out
and
stayed
off
the
term
and
then
was
called
back.
You
know,
but
I
believe
myself
that
it
should
proceed
as
as
nobody
will
come.
I
think
we
should
proceed
with
the
election
and
just
let
the
election
go
on.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
delay
the
election
hold
off
the
election.
B
Pretty
soon
they'll
be
able
to
vote
when
the
time
comes,
but
we
need
to
proceed
with
the
election
as
it
stands,
because
if
we
do
that,
we're
gonna
have
to
go
figure
out
a
way
down
the
road
how
to
fix
it
fix
it
again,
something
else
going
to
come
up.
I
think
we
need
to
perceive
the
election.
We
don't
know
what
the
with
the
reapportionment
with
the
numbers
going
to
come
out.
I
think
we
just
need
to
perceive
the
election
going
as
it
is.
B
I
I
have
been
in
this
council
all
the
time
we
had
these
reapportionment
in
2000
2010
now
2020
with
reinforcement
each
time
we
never
deleted
election.
We
went
on
with
the
election
where
the
regardless
and
that's
what
we
did
all
the
time.
So
I
think
we
need
to
just
keep
it
as
a
schedule
in
this
scope,
but
to
be
an
election
and
that's
my
take
on
it.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
delay
nothing.
D
Yeah,
I
agree
with
you
totally
councilman
mitchell,
but
I
also
think
that
that
was
the
recommendation
from
council
member
seekings
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
put
that
scenario
number
five
down
there
as
we
move
forward,
but
I
definitely
agree.
I
think
we
should
move
forward
with
this
election
accordingly,.
T
T
L
Sure
greenville
is
proceeding
with
the
november
election.
Rock
hill
is
delaying
the
election,
and
city
of
columbia
is
still
doing.
One
of
those.
I
think
they're
watching
us
honestly.
L
A
So
we
we
do
have
some
internal
preliminary
data
that
would
show
impact,
but
it's
very
unofficial.
If
y'all
would
like
to
discuss
that,
I
I
would
entertain
a
motion
that
would
go
into
executive
session.
Mr.
D
G
H
Mr
mayor,
yes,
sir
another
quick
question
we
talked
about,
perhaps
the
creation
of
a
election
commission
or
redistricting
commission
is
that
something
we
need
to
decide
in
a
short
time
frame.
A
Well,
we
we
would
need
to
certainly
decide
that
before
the
data
comes
in
and
and
it'd
be
reasonable
to
give
them
a
little
head
time
to
get
ready
for
it.
But
but
the
thought
was
to
have
an
independent
group.
A
Of
course,
they
would
only
be
making
a
recommendation
to
council
and
its
council's
decision
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
to
involve
some
community
members,
and
frankly,
we've
had
a
discussion
with
with
the
riley
center,
with
the
college
of
charleston
and
they're
willing,
as
they
stepped
up
to
the
plate
many
times
to
help
our
city.
They
they
would
help
lead
the
effort,
if,
if
council,
if
it
was
the
will
of
council
to
to
have
an
independent
group,
this
is
to
look
at
the
actual
redistricting
recommendation.
B
Yeah
before
we
go
on
mr
mayor,
even
the
the
south
carolina
voters,
participation,
they're,
the
one
that
assisted
us
and
with
drawing
the
maps
and
the
reapportionment
the
last
two
time.
I
believe
it
was.
A
That's
right
and
we've
gotten
a
letter
from
mr
williams
right
and
he's
ready
he's
standing
by
ready
to
help
again
yeah.
E
D
I
know
that
the
statute
has
changed
and
you
you
don't
have
to
try
to
create
as
many
minority
majority
districts
as
you
can.
However,
while
the
federal
statute
does
not
require
that,
is
that
something
that
a
municipality
can
can
do
to
still
continue
to
try
to
preserve
as
many
minority
districts
as
we
can.
A
I
would
say
that,
even
though
we're
not
subject
to
the
review
of
the
department
of
justice
that
that
I
would
propose
that
we
act
like
we're
subject
to
their
review
and
that
that
we
follow
that
goal
along
with
the
other
goals
that
that
julian
tracy
stated
earlier
in
the
presentation.
A
It
can't
be
the
only
factor,
but
it
can
be
a
factor
and,
like
I
say,
I
think
we
ought
to
operate
just
as
if
doj
was
looking
over
our
shoulder
anyway.
I
agree.
C
A
So
and-
and
I
don't
think
it
will
take
us
very
long-
we
only
have
one
slide
to
show
y'all.
Can
I
entertain
a
motivation.