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City of Charleston Council Meeting - January 23, 2018
A
A
A
One
is
on
a
development
amendment
involving
the
Magnolia
property
up
in
the
neck
area
and
then
two
on
annexation
matters.
If
you're
here
to
speak
on
any
of
those
three
things
we'll
get
to
you
in
just
a
minute,
if
you're
here
for
some
other
matter,
then
you
need
to
sign
up
on
our
signup
sheet
to
address
the
council
during
citizens.
Participation
period
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear
and
we
are
going
to
respectfully
ask
for
a
two
minute
limit
when
addressing
council
or
the
public
hearings.
A
B
The
first
public
hearing
tonight
is
the
approval
of
an
amendment
to
the
development
agreement
that
pertains
to
the
Magnolia
property
up
in
the
neck
area
of
the
city
for
the
benefit
of
the
new
members
of
council.
There's
approximately
well,
it's
a
little
more
than
200
acres,
that
250
acres
that
are
subject
to
a
development
agreement,
but
what
we
call
the
Magnolia
property
is
privately
owned.
It's
not
owned
by
the
churches.
B
B
Basically,
what
it
does
is
that
when
the
Magnolia
agreement
was
initially
signed,
the
contemplation
of
all
parties
at
the
time
that
it
was
that
the
properties
would
be
under
one
ownership,
Ashley
River
investors-
and
there
was
a
contingency
in
the
agreement
that
said
that
Ashley
rivers,
investors
had
to
acquire
title
to
the
property
in
order
for
the
development
and
the
agreement
to
proceed.
Well,
what
happened?
It's
a
very
complicated
piece
of
property,
it's
very
difficult
to
develop
because
of
environmental
issues,
and
it
was
also
tied
up
in
a
bankruptcy
proceeding.
B
So
what
happened
was
that
Ashley
River
investors
acquired
the
bulk
of
the
property,
but
they
acquired
it,
not
just
in
the
name
of
Ashley
rivers,
investors,
but
in
a
number
of
affiliates.
So
the
purpose
of
this
amendment
would
need
to
bring
all
of
the
current
property
owners
that
own
property
in
Magnolia
to
make
them
parties
to
the
agreement
and
and
we're,
and
just
to
make
it
clear
for
the
record
that
we've
got
all
the
right
parties.
All
the
proper
owners
signed
up
and
and
subject
to
the
agreement.
B
All
the
cup
of
the
property
owners,
including
the
bank
right
but
bankrupt,
see
trustee,
is
favor
of
the
amendment.
We're
also
resetting
the
time
when
the
agreement
would
start
to
be
effective
with
the
effective
date
of
this
amendment,
and
we
are
resetting
the
development
schedule
because
we've
been
where
two
years
or
a
year
and
a
half
into
this
agreement,
we've
been
tied
up
in
bankruptcy
court.
So
the
development
schedule
that
we
anticipated
is
a
little
delayed.
So
we're
resetting
it
now
to
reflect
what
what
is
going
on
and
in
the
current
state
of
events.
B
So
the
question
is:
why
would
we
do
this?
Well,
the
with
the
Magnolia
property.
The
way
the
city
is
able
to
receive
land
and
commitments
for
affordable
housing
is
by
way
of
this
agreement,
the
developer.
The
owners
of
this
property
will
donate
to
the
city
an
acre
and
a
half
of
land,
which
we
will
then
use
to
create,
affordable
housing,
more
affordable
housing
in
this
area
of
the
city
and
as
the
private
development
goes
forward.
B
B
C
A
D
Anthony
G
Bryan
/,
former
member
of
the
Charleston
County
borders,
only
appeals
I'm,
the
only
one
who
made
public
comment
at
the
Iowa
Hall
that
during
a
conference
field,
the
only
one
that
made
public
comment
to
the
EPA.
It
was
transferred
to
Sheriff's
Department
to
transfer
it
to
the
to
Charlotte,
a
927
nine
27,
29
2017
I
received
that
notice
from
the
IRS
in
terms
of
six
seven
zero
to
nine
28
2009
I
made
comment
at
aisle
8
the
same
place.
D
D
You
know
this
is
not
enough
based
on
the
value,
because
it
did
that
crea
sock
was
in
the
Housing
Authority
HUD
right
here
right
here,
2010
and
a
Housing
Authority
would
criticize
the
EPA
Chavarria
SOT
in
this
project,
saying
that
they
don't
really
concern
some
with
growth
in
terms
of
evaluations
on
and
market
values
are
considered
in
all
in
this
situation
period,
the
EPA
isn't
considered
at
all.
Has
been
a
factor
in
it
so
therefore
we're
gonna
have
increased
property
values
and
peace,
insurance
values,
probably
banking,
redlining
or
whatever.
D
This
is
serious
and
I
know
that
my
reputation
has
been
aligned
for
making
public
comment
to
the
EPA
and
John
McDermott.
Basically,
article
reflects
that.
That's
what
a
busy
remember,
HUD
certified
DLT
certified
I
grew
up
in
a
neighborhood.
That's
why
I
grew
up
it
and
I
resent
the
fact
that
this
was
done
and
I'm
telling
you
right
now.
I
will
file
necessary
complaints
with
my
name
on
it
to
get
that's
a
transcript
from
the
EPA
or
from
Charlotte
on
that
issue.
This
series
for
me.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
F
F
A
B
G
B
I
would
answer
that
in
two
ways
this
property
is
zoned
PUD
and
they
may
have
some
vested
rights
that
go
along
with
that
and
unfortunately,
the
PUD
did
not
address
affordable
housing,
which
is
why
we
did
it
through
the
development
agreement.
First.
One
in
second
is
while
the
developer
is,
is
not
at
the
20
or
25
percent
that
we
are
now.
He
is
giving
us
land
in
addition
to
that,
so
I
kind
of
think,
the
slates
almost
even.
A
I
H
Then
be
kind
of
held
it
often
so
they
came
back.
We
went
back
to
the
developers
and
they
came
back
and
say:
they're
gonna,
give
us
a
course
to
plan
the
property,
but
even
with
that,
even
to
develop
the
Stars
I
want
them
to
get
into
the
Rosemont
community
and
the
Sofia
community,
and
let
those
people
know
what's
going
to
be
happening
in
that
area,
because
you
know
the
right
now
would
be
with
the
bridge
with
the
526.
H
Then,
when
you
have
the
clothes
now
that
people
are
going
through
a
whole
lot
right
now
with
developing,
but
at
5:26.
So
now
we
need
to
be
very
careful
about
that,
not
to
run
over
the
community
developers
to
make
sure
that
they
get
in
the
community
and
farm
dam
in
Berks
woods
there
was
particular
community
in
that
area
and
they
don't
know
what's
happening
said
it
wouldn't
be.
You
know
the
VAR
now
with
the
bridge
because
they
closed
the
King
Street.
H
They
were
going
all
the
way
wrong
and
I
was
driving
around
again
to
those
areas
and
when
this
development
happens,
when
having
the
same
thing,
closing
the
street
again
and
those
people
are
gonna,
have
problems
getting
in
those
particular
areas.
So
we
have
to
work
with
those
our
community
as
a
whole
lot.
So
that's
what
I'm
gonna
stress
and
if
you
have
to
come
back
before
the
commuter
development,
I
gonna
bring
it
back
before
us
and
then
we
don't
have
to
do
that
and
make
sure
that
this
is
gonna
take
place.
H
G
This
was
some
time
ago
when
the
developers
came
to
the
Wagner
Terrace
community,
because
it
can't
have
an
impact
on
that
community,
particularly
traffic,
wise
Rutledge.
Avenue
really
does
not
have
the
capacity
to
feed
it.
Our
concern
is,
they
will
then
take
short
cuts
through
our
neighborhoods
I.
Just
want
that
to
be
something
that
we're
cognizant
of,
because
the
neighborhood
is
very,
very
adamant
that
this
development
does
not
have
an
adverse
effect
on
our
livability
by
becoming
the
cut
through
to
get
to
the
development.
I
just
wanted
the
record
to
reflect
that
all.
A
Right,
thank
you
very
much
any
other
comments
or
questions
hearing.
None.
We
have
a
motion
to
give
second
reading
to
this
ordinance.
All
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed.
You
guys
have
it
now
for
third
reading
and
ratification
to
have
a
motion.
Did
we
get
a
second?
Yes?
Okay,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
J
B
B
Unlike
the
hundred
percent
method,
we
have
to
have
a
public
hearing
and
I'm
going
to
go
through
some
of
the
the
PowerPoint
in
a
few
minutes
to
discuss
the
annexations
in
more
detail,
but
the
what.
So.
What
tonight
is
a
continuation
of
what
we
started
in
December
when
council
accepted
the
petition
and
authorized
us
to
go
ahead
and
advertise
for
the
public
hearing
which
we
did,
and
so
this
is
the
the
public
hearing
on
the
annexations,
the
the
annexation
czar
and
I'm
going
to.
B
B
By
law
we
have
to
have
the
legal
descriptions
of
these
properties
available,
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
slides,
but
I
also
have
petitions
that
we
received
that
have
all
of
the
maps
and
all
of
the
legal
descriptions
for
anybody
at
the
member
of
the
public
that
care
to
have
one.
We
have
some
available
for
that.
So
this
is
first
tract
identified
by
TMS
numbers.
Parcel
one
parcel
to
parcel
three
is
oh
six
and
parcel
four:
is
Oh
23
these
properties
I?
Take
it
back
these.
This
is
the
larger
annexation.
B
B
We
had
a
number
of
large
tracts,
the
owners
of
which
brought
their
property
are
petitioning
to
bring
the
city
in.
We
have
another
parcel
on
the
I
guess
the
south
side
or
right
on
the
northern
boundaries
of
the
city,
that's
owned
by
the
Truluck
family
and
they
agreed
to
bring
their
property
in.
We
have
a
piece
of
portion
of
the
property
that
a
property
owner
also
agreed
to
bring
into
the
city.
The
large
tract
that
between
the
two
squares
that
has
TMS
number
ending
in
0:05
did
not
sign
the
petition.
B
The
owner
of
that
property
is
Whitefield
interest.
It's
a
company
I,
don't
know
they
call
the
exact
name
of
the
company,
but
they
are
that
the
owner
of
that
property
did
not
sign
to
come
in
to
the
city,
but
we
have
75%
of
the
freeholders
who,
in
the
area
they
own
75%
of
the
assessed
value.
So
this
is
an
authorized
method
of
a
negotiation.
We
have
to
talk
about
services
right
now.
They
are
the
upcoming
millage
for
the
city
for
operations
is
eighty
three
point:
six
mils.
B
We
have
a
monthly
stormwater
fee
of
$8
per
residential
unit.
The
city
intends
to
provide
all
of
the
services
that
we
provide
every
other
citizen
in
the
city,
police,
fire
code
enforcement,
Planning
and
Zoning
business
license
public
service,
which
is
environmental
inspection
stormwater.
We
will
not
provide
water
and
sewer
that
would
be
up
to
the
CPW
to
determine
if
they
wanted
to
extend
their
lines.
B
Their
recreation
and,
of
course,
most
importantly,
they'll-
have
representation
on
city
council,
as,
as
I
indicated,
the
cost
of
the
cost
of
providing
these
services
for
the
2018
tax
millage
is
is
eighty
three
point.
Six
mils
I
will
point
out
that
these
properties
are
not
located
in
the
st.
Andrew's
Public
Service
District.
You
learn
something
every
day
they
are
located
in
a
special
tax
district
called
the
West
st.
Andrews
Fire
District,
which
is
a
taxing
district
that
was
created
by
Charleston
County
to
help
with
providing
fire
to
this
property.
B
We
will
be
talking
to
the
county
about
taking
over
being
the
first
responder
and,
of
course,
we
will
work
hand-in-hand
with
the
st.
Andrew's
Public
Service
District,
pursuant
to
a
mutual
aid
agreement,
if
not
automatic
aid
agreement
that
we
have
again.
This
is
the
notice
that
we
ran.
This
notice
ran
trying
to
remember
the
exact
date,
but
it
was.
It
was
30
days
in
advance
of
today.
B
B
As
with
the
other
annexations,
we
are
providing
the
legal
descriptions
for
the
public
to
view
if
they
want
to
read
them.
We
have
them.
You
know
available
with
with
with
the
clerk.
This
is
a
picture
of
this
is
the
annexation
exhibit.
You
will
see.
The
the
annexation
includes
the
properties
that
that
are
cross-hatched
prior
to
these
properties
being
coming
into
the
city
and
portion
of
them
came
in
some
time
ago,
as
part
of
a
prior
annexation.
B
B
A
K
Good
evening
mr.
mayor
members
of
Charleston
City
Council
fellow
citizens,
preservationist
sand
and
conservationists,
my
name
is
Charles:
do
Lila
221
East
battery
I'm
here
tonight
and
as
president
of
the
Middleton
Place
foundation,
a
a
non-profit
public
trust
that
I
established
some
44
years
ago
and
that
today
owns
the
entire
national
historic
landmark
of
Middleton
Place.
K
Excuse
me
and
the
president-elect,
as
soon
as
he
gets
rid
of
me,
he
takes
over
and
we
hope
that
you
will
vote
to
annex
into
the
city,
the
neighboring
properties
that
have
been
that
are
being
presented
tonight
in
order
to
protect
the
Charleston's
urban
boundary
and
the
rural
countryside
beyond
first
settled
in
the
17th
century,
and
this
we
caught
been
called
a
cradle
of
civilization
for
this
part
of
the
world.
It's
part
of
Greater,
Historic,
Charleston
and,
at
the
same
time,
green
space
that
complements
the
city.
K
E
You,
mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Jason
Crowley,
director
of
communities
and
transportation
for
the
coastal
conservation
league,
328,
East,
Bay,
Street,
I'm,
gonna
abridge.
My
comments
to
be
particularly
short,
but
I
want
to
encourage
this
approval
for
the
Sanitation
of
more
than
5,000
acres
within
the
24
thousand
acre
ash
River
historic
district.
L
Mayor
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Tracey:
Todd
I'm
resident
of
Charleston
live
at
nine
Lai
Chester
Road
and
West
Ashley
I
also
work
at
Middleton,
Place,
Charles
Connelly
introduced
me
quickly.
There
I
remember
the
first
time,
I
rode
down,
Ashley,
River,
Road
and
I'll.
Never
forget
it.
I
was
a
College
of
Charleston
freshman.
It
was
and
I
like
these
cliches,
but
it
was
almost
like
stepping
back
in
time.
You
know
the
history
of
this
of
this
imported
area.
L
You
know
it's
linked
to
Lord's,
proprietors
and
members
of
the
Continental
Congress
and
the
signers
of
the
Declaration
of
Independence.
It's
also
linked
to
thousands
of
enslaved
Africans
black
troops
marched
down,
Ashley
River
Road
Freedmen's
communities
were
there,
black
churches
are
still
there
and
important
congregations
and
I
would
want
to
urge
you
to
please
move
forward
with
this
annexation
and
just
as
a
note,
they
don't
move
forward
just
to
annex
it,
but
move
forward
with
it.
With
the
idea
of
preservation
in
mind,
it's
so
important
that
it
be
preserved
for
future
generations.
L
M
Good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council,
my
name
is
Winslow
hasty
and
I'm
wearing
two
different
hats.
This
evening.
One
I
am
the
presidency
of
Historic
Charleston
foundation,
but
I'm
also
represent
the
family
that
owns
Magnolia,
gardens,
Magnolia
Plantation,
which
is
adjacent
to
where
this
land,
the
the
jump
from
nor
Charleston
crossing
over
the
Ashley
River,
is
just
to
the
north
of
our
property,
and
so
we
care
very
deeply
about
how
this
area
grows
and
develops.
Both
my
family
does
but
also
Historic
Charleston
foundation,
as
mr.
M
M
More
recently,
we
expanded
the
Ashley
River
historic
district
to
include
lands
on
the
west
side
of
highway
61
to
expand
it
from
a
roughly
7,000
acres
to
over
24,000
acres,
and
the
reason
we
want
to
do
that
was
to
shed
light
on
the
history
and
significance
of
this
area
on
the
west
side
of
highway
61.
Everyone
knows
about
the
showplace
plantations
on
the
river,
but
really
the
working
part
of
these
plantations.
The
bulk
of
these
plantations,
where
the
rice
was
grown,
where
the
slave
communities
lived
where
ultimately
phosphate
was
mined.
A
F
I'm
Robert
Girling
with
the
preservation
society
of
Charleston,
and
we
just
like
to
add
a
voice
to
others
to
urge
you
to
pass
support
this
annexation.
For
the
obvious
reasons,
we
need
to
protect
the
urban
growth
boundary,
the
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
county,
if
this,
if
North
City
of
North,
Charleston
and
they're
good
folks,
but
if
they
jump
us
on
this,
then
we're
going
to
have
the
potential
for
inappropriate
development,
which
is
going
to
increase
density
traffic
and
all
the
flooding
issues
and
also
what's
at
stake,
is
the
Integrity's
others
have
mentioned.
F
N
Mayor
Tek,
lumber
and
councilmembers,
my
name
is
Ben
Lenhart
I
live
at
37,
Church,
Street
I'm,
also
a
member
of
the
board
of
the
Drayton
Hall
Preservation
Trust
and
I'm
chairman
of
the
Garden
Conservancy
in
New
York
I'm,
here,
to
urge
you
to
approve
this
annexation.
It
is
in
the
best
interest
of
Charleston
and
of
all
of
its
citizens.
You've
heard
from
distinguished
non-for-profits
just
a
moments
ago
and
I
would
echo
all
of
their
comments.
This
is
a
very
important
green
space
that
must
be
protected
and
your
actions
will
we'll
make
that
happen.
N
A
D
Look
the
question
for
me
would
be
under
the
comprehensive
plan
and
which
I
was
on
the
board
when
they
did
the
urban
county
line.
What
we
need
to
think
about
in
terms
of
saving
taxpayers
money
in
the
lawsuit.
That's
my
concern
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
North,
Charleston,
Charleston,
County
and
others.
This
DHEC
and
other
groups
is
set
to
the
table
to
work
this
out.
This
is
a
very
unique
land
use
and
very
valley
important.
But
yet
the
property
owner
has
rights
to
and
a
certainty,
5%
rule.
D
He
may
not
want
to
come
into
the
city
of
Charleston,
so
then
his
property
and
is
tied
up
in
a
lawsuit
I
think
it's
unfair,
that
our
property
owner,
the
Bill
of
Rights,
protects
minority
voices
and
minorities.
Points
of
view
being
for
minority
group.
I
clearly
understand
appreciate
equal
protection
and
due
process
for
folks.
So
we
hope
that
this
council
released
center,
another
pleat
of
Mayor
Sonny,
that's
it
to
the
table
with
Charleston,
County
and
Jennifer
Miller
and
others.
D
O
Evening,
mr.
mayor
and
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Carter.
Hudgens
I
live
at
473.
U
G,
Street
downtown,
but
more
important
to
this
matter.
I'm
the
president
and
CEO
of
the
Drayton
Hall
preservation,
trust
and
I'd,
just
like
to
go
on
record,
urging
members
of
council
to
move
forward
with
this
annexation.
As
mr.
O
A
P
Now
become
the
big
boys
fighting
against
the
little
people,
we've
been
fighting
and
we
can
get
no
help.
They
said
the
land
was
contaminated.
No
one
came
to
the
poor
people,
they
they
pushing
the
poor
people
out
or
the
peninsula.
It
moves
the
supermarket
out
of
the
neighborhood,
and
now
they
got
a
bar
on
Spring
Street
called
a
crooked
cried
bar,
where
they
gonna
put
up
a
luxury
development.
Therefore
student,
the
crooked
bar.
What
kind
of
people
are
we
I
line
this
to
happen
in
our
neighborhood?
P
A
Q
Be
heard
mr.
mayor
members
of
council
I'm
Chuck
Baker,
five
Exchange
Street
I'm,
an
attorney
here
speaking
on
behalf
of
Eleanor
and
Hayward
Carter
in
Elizabeth
Hanahan
they're
trustees
of
two
of
the
three
tracks
that
have
petitioned
to
be
annex.
The
fourth
track
is
owned
by
a
limited
liability
company
which
we
understand
is
controlled
by
mr.
Miller,
as
Miss
Cantwell
said,
whom
you
will
hear
from
in
just
a
second.
Q
As
you've
already
heard,
the
whole
area
is
highly
sensitive
from
both
the
historical
and
environmental
perspective,
miss
Hanna
hands
property
that
she's
trustee
of
has
a
conservation,
easement
and
the
property.
On
the
other
side,
almost
of
that
Ashley
River
Road,
almost
3,000
acres
of
that
is
subject
to
a
very
restrictive
conservation
easement.
Q
At
the
time,
we
believe
the
city
of
Charleston
is
best
equipped
to
honor
and
protect
the
character
of
the
Ashley
River
historic
district
and
that
annexation
of
all
four
tracks,
including
the
track
that
does
not
want
to
come
in
under
the
75%
rule,
is
necessary
to
praana
and
protect
the
character
of
the
district.
The
Millers
have
stated
publicly
that's
their
intention
to
operate
a
commercial
event
venue
on
their
property
with
unlimited
number
of
events
per
year,
the
property
when
they
bought.
Q
It
was
in
Charleston
County,
which
limited
events
on
agricultural
zone
property
to
25
per
year.
They
tried
they
investigated
doing
that
getting
more
events
per
year
through
a
planned
development
that
didn't
go
anywhere.
It's
no
secret
of
the
city
of
North
Charleston,
as
you
already
heard,
is
trying
to
annex
his
property.
As
you
all
know,
that
city
is
not
part
of
the
agreement
for
the
urban
growth
boundary.
It's
true
that
magnolia
plantation
and
Middleton
Place
or
event
venues,
but
there
are
two
very
significant
differences
between
may
I.
E
Q
You
for
your
indulgence,
two
more
points,
two
major
differences
between
those
in
this.
First
of
all,
they
are
nonprofits
which
use
the
funds
from
their
events
to
promote
historic
preservation
in
the
environment.
Second,
these
event,
venues
are
within
the
scope
of
hundreds
of
acres,
which
you
know
ameliorates
the
effects
on
the
surrounding
historic
district
and,
for
the
same
reason,
we
support
the
annexation
of
the
lands
across
the
road.
R
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
councilmembers,
so
my
name
is
Bruce
Miller.
What
we're
here
before
you
today.
There
are
two
separate
agenda
items
and
I
want
you
to
realize
that
the
first
agenda
item
is
number
two.
It's
fifty
one
hundred
acres!
Our
agenda
item
is
number
three
we're.
Seventy
acres
we're
one
and
a
half
percent
of.
What's
across
the
street,
you
can
vote
YES
on
issue
number.
Two
agenda.
Item
number:
two:
you
can
vote
no
to
agenda
item
number
three.
Now
you've
heard
we're
here
today
the
Carter's
signed
a
petition.
We
they
didn't
call
us.
R
They
didn't
talk
to
us.
We
didn't
know
anything
about
it.
Our
goal,
since
the
beginning
of
buying
the
property
almost
a
year
ago
is,
as
mr.
Baker
said,
to
do
an
event
venue
in
the
middle
of
17
other
event.
Venues
we
do
not
want
to
develop
it.
We've
met
with
the
Ashley
historic
foundation,
their
district.
They
approved
what
we
want
to
do
a
nice
entrance
on
highway
61
other
than
that.
You
won't
see
anything,
that's
what
we
want
to
do.
We
do
not
want
to
develop
the
property,
but
the
important
distinction
is
our
property.
R
We
decided
whether
you
like
it
or
not,
to
annex
in
the
city
of
North
Charleston.
Our
property
was
annexed
fully
into
the
city
of
North
Charleston
on
December
21.
We
didn't
even
know
about
this
petition
until
we
got
the
mayor's
letter
after
Christmas,
we
had
been
working
with
the
city
of
North
Charleston
since
May
they
sent
us
emails
and
we
have
communication
back
in
November
where
we
were
going
to
be
placed
on
the
agenda.
All
of
that
occurred
without
our
knowledge
of
any
of
this
petition,
we
were
not
asked
at
all.
R
Our
little
30
acres
generates
a
hundred
and
three
dollars
in
tax
revenues.
So
the
option
before
the
council
is
vote
no
to
agenda
number
three
and
ask
the
Carters
to
resubmit.
They
can
come
back
in
a
month.
You
can
grant
their
petition
if
you
vote.
Yes,
it
will
force
us
to
file
a
lawsuit
against
the
city
of
Charleston
that
lawsuit,
if
I
may
have
since
I'm
the
only
I'm
a
landowner.
R
Thank
you
so
that
lawsuit
you
will
have
to
pay
Miss
Cantwell
defend,
also
I.
We
will
have
to
hire
annexation
team
if
we
win
state
law
says
that
you
have
to
pay
our
fees.
Annexation
attorney
I
talked
to
said:
all
of
that
could
be
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
under
state
law.
Only
the
state
of
South
Carolina
has
the
standing
or
the
legal
right
to
challenge
our
annexation
into
North,
Charleston.
So
I
say
the
option
is
easy,
say
no
to
annexation
and
item
number
three.
R
Let
the
Carters
come
back
a
month
from
now,
because
if
you
say
yes,
you're,
essentially
pushing
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
of
taxpayers
money
onto
the
table
to
gain
our
property,
which
we
don't
want
to
develop,
and
it
has
a
hundred
and
three
dollars
in
tax
revenues.
I
think
your
taxpayers,
your
citizens,
would
say:
that's
a
no-brainer.
That's
not.
R
A
J
Like
to
follow
up
mr.
mayor
I
think
the
urban
growth
boundary
line,
matters
I,
think
a
rule
over
history.
Historic
area
like
this
should
be
preserved
and
I
certainly
like
to
commend
all
the
people
that
came
and
spoke,
and
mr.
hasty
mr.
Gurley
mr.
Lyne
Hart
mr.
duel
I
couldn't
greet
agree
any
more
with
them.
It's
an
area
that
I
grew
up
not
too
far
from
we
have
enjoyed
immensely
just
driving
through
the
area
and
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
see
it
change.
So
Thank
You.
C
I
also
would
echo
my
support
for
this
annexation
plan.
This
is
I
would
classify
this
as
being
good
government
and
we'd.
Be
good.
Stewards
of
this
property
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
that
were
made
on
this.
It's
just
sad.
We
didn't
do
this
earlier.
No,
but
here
we
are
to
do
it
now
and
then
I
would
urge
my
council
members
to
support
this
plan.
S
Thank
You
mayor
I
do
just
want
to
speak
for
the
record
that
I'm
fully
in
support
of
this
motion
and
this
item
on
our
agenda.
I
wanted
to
greet
mr.
duel
as
long-standing
supporter
of
the
National
Trust
reservation,
where
I
was
an
employee
many
many
years
ago,
and
I
also
appreciate
that
all
the
landowners
have
come
out
to
give
us
their
personal
recount
of
why
we
should
take
this
vote
in
favor
of
this
annexation.
Thank
you.
Mr.
T
T
You're
gonna
speak
later
on
tonight
about
what's
our
number
one
number,
one
thing
that
we're
focused
on
this
year
and
it's
drainage
and
flooding
and
for
me,
as
a
man
who
believes
in
the
Constitution
and
you
know,
and
property
rights.
At
the
same
time,
I've
got
thousands
of
people
that
rely
on
me
to
make
a
decision.
That's
going
to
protect
their
quality
of
life
and
for
me,
I
can't
allow
us
to
let
North
Charleston
not
play
by
the
rules
and
that
they
don't
they're,
not
part
of
the
urban
boundary
agreement.
T
B
T
The
reason
why
I
asked
that
is
because
we
just
heard
mr.
Miller
say
that
him
in
the
North
Charleston
began
talking
in
May
said
they
have
been
working
on
this
for
a
while
even
before
they
NX
running
meat,
so
there's
definitely
a
level
of
concern
there
of
what
their
priorities
are
compared
to
ours.
There's,
no,
no
reason
why
we
can't
vote
YES
for
a
first
reading
and
then
have
more
discussion
moving
forward.
Thank
you
all
right.
Any.
A
A
Good
suggestion
and
I
would
like
to
add
my
echo
to
a
few
points
that
have
been
made
this
evening
and
the
most
important
one
to
me
as
mr.
Griffin
is
the
impact
of
development
on
our
stormwater
management
and
drainage
in
the
church,
Creek
Basin,
because
what
mr.
horner
discovered
when
he
did
his
study
was
that
the
church
Creek
Basin,
was
actually
a
good
bit
bigger
than
what
we
had
thought
before
and
in
fact
includes.
Almost
all
of
the
2,200
acre
tract
that
mr.
A
Whitfield
owns
and
it
it's
clear
to
me
that
since
we
honor
the
city
of
Charleston,
honors,
the
urban
growth
boundary
and
the
city
of
North,
Charleston
has
made
it
clear
that
they
don't
the
difference
in
density.
Development
of
properties
in
historic
district
of
highway
61
would
be
significantly
different
if
it
remains
in
the
city
of
Charleston
versus
being
in
the
city
of
North
Charleston.
A
And
so,
if
you
look
at
the
historic
nature
of
the
district,
you've
heard
from
the
other
owners
in
the
region,
about
the
cultural
and
historic
nature
and
and
then
also
just
think
about
the
traffic
you've
got
highway.
61,
which
is
a
nationally
designated
scenic
highway,
those
beautiful
trees
on
either
side
it's
going
to
remain
a
two-lane
road
forever
and
ever
and
at
least
I
hope
so,
and
so
it
can't
handle
massive
development
out
further
61
in
that
district.
So,
in
all
due
respect
to
mr.
A
Miller
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
include
him,
because
otherwise
we
could
end
up
with
a
repeat
of
the
Runnymede
scenario
where,
if
it
didn't
work
at
Runnymede,
maybe
it
would
work
at
mr.
meat,
Miller's
property
and
so
I
I.
Think
it's
important
for
us
to
include
him
and
I
would
respectfully
share
with
mr.
Miller
that
after
this
is
resolved
and
you
find
out
whether
you're
in
the
city
of
North,
Charleston
or
the
city
of
Charleston.
A
U
U
Would
there
be
and
I'm
not
so
concerned
about
mr.
Miller,
it
may
be
his
heirs
or
who
he
may
sell
it
to
down
the
road
he's
told
us
that
and
I
take
him
at
his
word.
Would
that
be
something
can't
what
we
could
do
if
that
became
part
of
the
city
that
we
could
maybe
grant
some
kind
of
a
venue
there,
but
if
we
took
back
some
kind
of
an
easement
or
whatever
to
cover
that
property?
As
far
as
develop
further
development
is
concerned,
we
could
do
well.
B
B
U
That
was
really
my
question.
The
problem
is,
if
you
spend
the
money
to
develop
an
event
space
and
you
can
only
use
it
whatever
the
number
was
24,
you
might
not
be
able
to
recover.
I
mean
I'd,
be
a
good
investment.
So
that's
why
I'm
saying
if
we've
got
we
could
could
we
as
owning,
allow
us
to
increase
that
number
and
then
in
exchange
for
some
kind
of
a
development,
because
you
have
a
PUD
or
something
there.
That
would
allow
that
we.
B
U
C
C
A
H
A
A
D
Will
be
the
last
document
you'll
get
from
me.
The
mr.
Waring
into
others
are
the
african-americans
on
council
I
received
the
search
this
letter
from
the
u.s.
United
Department
of
Justice,
the
executive
universities
attorneys
all
US
attorneys
in
the
country
sort
of
five
of
identity,
and
this
is
2013
for
you,
I've
done,
and
that's
all
the
docs
of
Chief
Buster
and
CFO
of
Charleston
County
Cerritos
headquarters
only
appeals,
that's
every
funding
program
in
the
courts.
D
All
the
funding
programs
in
the
courts
and
I
will
be
fighting
that
battle
now,
as
a
real
brother,
Mark
shields,
Mark
Hughes
requesting
a
hundred
million
dollars
for
facilities
equal
testing
to
due
process.
We
hope
that
the
Black
Caucus
and
everybody
that's
black,
understand
clearly
he's
underfunded
that
a
50
for
me
in
our
request,
get
a
hundred
million
dollars
in
these
counties
and
these
court
systems
that
does
not
provide
the
proper
protection
of
your
name.
There's
a
security
number.
You
see
I
n
number
for
your
businesses.
This
is
very
serious
for
african-americans
in
general
click.
D
My
african-american
men
like
me
and
I
will
fight
this
battle.
Now,
if
I
I
do
it.
On
my
own,
this
is
unpopular
for
me
to
be
here,
but
I
am
here:
100
million
dollars
he's
requested.
He
may
not
get
the
money.
Y'all
I
feel
sitting
up
in
prison
in
jail.
You
say
I
know
you
said
I
know
right
now,
all
that
night
they
all
drop
down
to
school
I
know
all
them
football
scholarship,
one
of
the
best.
You
don't
want
to
go
there
with
me
with
this
I,
don't
do
stereotypes.
D
Brother
I,
don't
know
who
supporting
you
black
and
were
they
thinking
I,
don't
support
this
you're,
not
gonna,
take
my
name
sander
to
the
EPA
DHEC
and
other
groups.
Even
even
the
governor
I
heard,
even
probably
Trump's
administration
I
will
not
have
my
name
on
the
line
like
this
ever
I
will
finish
this
from
the
executive
right
here.
All
this
right
here,
I
got
it
I'm
going
across
the
street
on
my
own
by
myself,
point
blank
statement
of
City
say
that
city
is
divided.
P
Calhoun
have
we
got
a
statue
of
a
man
like
Carolyn
between
two
church
people?
Now
people
look
up
and
then
look
up,
they're
thinking
about
God.
Why
would
you
have
a
statue
like
that
between
two
church
steeples?
When
you
have
people
believing
in
God,
you
got
a
crazy
man
carrying
a
racist
man
of
a
criminal
man
between
two
church
steeples.
You
got
full
up
simmons
between
the
trees.
Look
like
he's
about
to
be
hung
on
columbus
and
america
screech.
P
V
V
However,
rewriting
history
is
the
wrong
path,
any
most
divisive
one.
Yes,
history
happens
good
and
bad
favorable
and
unfavorable,
but
history
it
is.
We
can
handle
the
truth
and
we
may
ultimately
draw
different
conclusions,
but
we
should
all
agree
that
pass
cannot
be
strictly
judged
as
if
it
happened
today.
As
it
has
been
said,
you
can
please
some
of
the
people
all
of
the
time.
W
V
Old
and
wise
I
have
addressed
this
issue
in
Deuteronomy,
19,
verse,
14
and
the
heritage
which
you
will
hold
in
the
land
the
Lord
God
gave
you
to
possess.
You
shall
not
remove
your
neighbor's
landmark.
What's
the
old
man
of
old
have
set
proverbs,
22
verse
28,
remove
not
your
own
ancient
landmarks,
which
your
fathers
have
set.
I
think
this
would
apply
to
verbal
changes
as
well.
Yes,
the
burden
lies
on
you
to
bring
us
together
and
surely
there
are
other
more
pressing
issues
to
which
the
city
can
direct
us
energies.
Thank
you.
X
Good
evening,
mr.
mayor
and
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
council,
at
the
last
meeting,
I
asked
at
the
Calhoun
plaque
not
be
a
Pro
Calhoun
statement
nor
an
anti
Calhoun
statement,
but
in
a
historical
statement,
just
like
all
the
other
historical
markers
in
the
city
specifically
I
pointed
out
the
inappropriateness
of
opinionated
phrases
such
as
the
statute
remains
standing
today
as
a
reminder
that
South
Carolinians
once
viewed
Calhoun
as
worthy
of
memorialization.
This
is
an
opinion
and
one
which
many
Charlestonians
and
historians
do
not
share.
X
What
may
be
appropriate
for
an
op-ed
page
is
not
appropriate
for
a
government-approved
historical
plaque.
Unfortunately,
a
truly
historical
statement
that
is
factual
and
reflected
of
Jhansi
Calhoun's,
full
body
of
work,
both
positive
and
negative,
is
extremely
difficult
to
achieve.
In
this
politicized
environment,
millions
of
tourists
come
to
see
historical
Charleston,
but
I
do
not
believe
they
will
be
eager
to
read
political
op-eds
placed
as
new
historical
markers.
Why
are
we
going
down
this
path?
X
Are
we
really
going
to
sow
the
seeds
of
division
by
continuing
to
argue
over
not
only
this
plaque,
but
all
the
other
plaques
that
are
to
be
considered?
How
much
time
is
going
to
be
spent
on
this
endeavor
I?
Ask
you
to
move
on
to
the
pressing
business
of
the
city,
such
as
flooding,
traffic
congestion
and
proper
growth
management.
I.
Ask
you
to
vote
no
on
this
plaque
and
to
vote
no
tonight
and
to
furthest
no
further.
The
mayors
charge
included
other
ideas
besides
the
plaques,
which
I
believe
will
unite
rather
than
divide
this
community.
X
As
a
student
of
history
I'm
interested
in
all
history,
there
are
many
stories
to
be
told
many
lessons
to
be
learned
and
inspiration
ready
to
be
discovered
and
I.
Ask
the
ladies
and
gentlemen
that
are
here
this
evening
that
wish
for
a
no
vote
on
this
plaque
to
rise
and
be
recognized,
including
those
people
in
the
back
of
the
room
to
come
around
the
corner.
W
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
my
name
is
dr.:
Bobby
Baker
I
live
on
Meeting
Street
resident
Charleston,
as
Charleston
ian's.
We
can
handle
the
truth.
What
we
can't
handle
is
being
told
that
we
do
not
have
the
capability
to
reach
our
own
opinions
when
presented
with
well-documented
facts.
This
subject
is
becoming
quite
a
topic
of
discussion
in
our
community
1-wire
citizens
are
growing
more
dismayed
and
worried
that
our
very
nature,
the
very
nature
of
our
great
city
and
its
capacity
to
present
so
much
important
history
to
the
world
is
being
threatened.
W
Mr.
mayor
I
truly
believe
that
your
purpose
in
creating
a
purely
factual
plaque
for
mr.
Jhansi
Calhoun's
monument
was
one
of
great
intentions,
but
it
became
obvious
at
the
last
council
meeting
that
some
of
the
presented
language
was
clearly
opinionated
without
factual
basis,
but
even
more
concerning
was
the
divisive
debate
that
proceeded
within
the
council.
The
fear
of
driving
a
wedge
throughout
our
great
community
reared
its
ugly
head
at
the
last
council
meeting.
W
When
the
discussion
became
more
and
more
devices,
please
don't
lead
us
down
a
path
that
has
recently
caused
other
cities
from
the
country
to
suffer
so
much
suffering
and
division
Charleston
doesn't
need,
nor
deserve
this.
If
we
cannot
stick
to
the
true
facts
and
only
the
true
thanks,
then
I
respectfully
submit
to
the
City
Council
to
vote
to
abolish
the
notion
of
the
plaque
altogether,
and
then
we
move
on
with
much
more
pressing
matters
of
our
great
city
matters
that
are
not
divisive,
but
of
which
concern
all
citizens
alike.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
Mr.
mayor
city,
councilman
members,
my
name
is
Don
Livingston,
I've,
recently
retired
teaching
philosophy
at
Emory,
University
287
meeting
I'd
like
to
speak
against
the
plaque
before
the
cohoon
monument,
the
monument
to
call
home
reads:
truth,
justice
and
the
Constitution
a
stress,
the
word
Constitution,
because
it
was
his
explication
of
constitutional
government
in
general,
that
is
his
lasting
legacy
and
a
benefit
to
all
mankind.
I
I
His
work
in
political
economy
laid
the
ground
for
what
he's
known
today
as
public
choice.
Theory,
a
Senate
committee
headed
by
John
Kennedy
selected
Calhoun
as
one
of
the
five
greatest
senators
in
American
history
in
his
Pulitzer
prize-winning
book
profiles
of
Courage
John,
Kennedy
included
Calhoun
among
eight
American
senators,
who
courageously
pursued
policies.
They
thought
were
right
for
the
country
even
at
great
cost,
to
their
own
political
interests,
Cole,
who
opposed
the
jingoistic
American
imperialism.
I
Y
Mr.
Maron,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
council,
all
politicians
have
people
who
look
at
them
in
one
way
negative
or
positive.
There
is
no
reason
in
my
mind
that
we
should
be
writing
an
editorial
that
could
change
in
five
years
to
go
on
Calhoun
Monument.
Here's
a
great
statesman.
We
should
let
things
lie
as
they
are.
I
would
hope
that
you
will
not
go
forward
with
making
any
changes
to
the
monument.
Thank
you.
Z
Mr.
mayor
members
of
the
council,
my
name
is
dr.:
Michael
s,
Cogan
I
live
at
one
King,
Street
and
I'm,
a
retired
professor
of
philosophy.
I
asked
you
tonight
to
deal
with
the
Calhoun
state
statue
signage
issue
in
the
way
that
will
unite
Charlestonians
rather
than
divide
them.
After
months
of
effort,
the
history
Commission
has
produced
a
text
on
Calhoun
that
is
still
objectionable
both
to
those
who
feel
it
is
too
harsh
and
to
those
who
feel
it
is
too
mild.
Z
It
is
difficult
to
see
any
easy
way
out
of
this
stalemate,
and
if
the
city
plans
to
try
to
produce
signs
for
all
the
controversial
monuments
in
downtown
Charleston,
then
you
on
this
council
have
years
of
controversy
lying
ahead
of
you
time
that
could
be
put
to
much
better
use
dealing
with
pressing
contemporary
issues
facing
our
city.
Given
this
reality,
I
would
urge
you
to
vote
to
discontinue
this
signage
plan,
which
is
so
divisive
and
proceed
to
an
alternative
project
behind
which
all
Charleston
can
unite.
Z
I
have
in
mind
the
City
Council
resolution
to
erect
a
monument
to
the
nine
innocent
human
beings
gunned
down
by
their
assassin,
while
at
Bible
study
at
mother,
Emanuel
Church,
a
statue
of
the
Reverend
Pinckney
or
even
of
all
nine
victims
would
bring
all
our
people
together
in
shared
resolve
to
resist
the
hatred
and
bigotry
that
led
to
this
atrocity.
A
committee
could
be
formed
similar
to
those
that,
in
recent
years,
erected
the
statues
of
George
Washington
in
Washington
Park
and
of
Colonel
Moultrie
in
White
Point
Gardens.
Z
AA
My
name
is
cliff
Roberts
and
I
live
in
Harlan
Village
I'm,
a
recently
retired
teacher
of
American
history.
In
my
travels
as
you
might
imagine,
I
stopped
to
read
thousands
of
historical
markers
I
revel
in
the
fact
that
I
live
in
a
city
that
seems
to
have
a
historical
marker.
Every
100
feet,
I
salute
the
mayor
and
others
in
their
efforts
to
add
new
signs
that
will
spotlight
on
unrepresented
achievements
in
our
african-american
community
I
also
speak
in
opposition
to
the
present
wording.
AA
That
is
part
political
in
part
commentary
on
the
Calhoun
Monument
history
changes
over
generations,
while
historical
markers
tend
to
last
through
several
generations.
Calhoun's
history
is
complex,
but
his
importance
continues
to
evolve
even
today.
I
point
to
the
fact
that,
as
we
sit
here
today,
trying
to
add
some
distance
between
us
and
the
old
statesman
in
California,
by
contrast,
Jhansi
Calhoun's
writings
on
nullification
are,
must
read
literature
in
their
political
science
departments,
as
their
scholars
are
attempting
to
build
a
legal
foundation
for
the
acceptance
of
sanctuary
cities.
AA
AB
Hello,
my
name
is
Anna
Zimmerman
I
have
a
former
resident
as
what
I
could
say
of
shorthand
drive
on
James,
Island
and
I'm
here
to
bring
attention
into
a
shorthand
flooding
situation
that
is
currently
according
to
FEMA
violating
FEMA
guidelines.
It's
possibly
illegal
and
it
is
unacceptable.
It
is
very
tired.
This
situation
has
created
a
severe
health
risk
due
to
mold
in
our
houses,
putting
several
children.
Five
sets
of
grandparents,
two
veterans,
two
teachers
and
a
single
moms
health
at
risk.
AB
One
family
with
a
baby
has
been
homeless
since
Hurricane
Emma,
several
families,
including
mine,
have
had
to
abandon
their
homes,
no
help
from
the
city
of
Charleston,
despite
several
requests,
please
etc.
Fema
is
not
covering
this,
even
though
we
all
have
flood
insurance.
There
is
a
slew
of
problems
that
we
are
finding
out
that
go
back
to
1987
when
the
houses
were
built.
The
city
granted
an
elevation
variance
to
the
developer
and
I
have
that
information
attached
and
the
houses
were
not
built
up
to
code.
AB
They
were
actually
built
under
FEMA
requirements
and
I
have
the
FEMA
documentation
from
that,
but
FEMA
has
provided
the
city
violated
FEMA
guidelines
in
1987
by
allowing
these
homes
to
be
occupied
and
I
have
that
documentation
as
well?
None
of
us
knew
anything
about
this
when
they
purchased
when
we
purchased
our
homes.
I
was
in
high
school
during
that
time
in
Charleston.
It
is
wrong
to
assume
that
when
you
buy
a
house,
it
is
built
to
code.
AB
Several
Shoreham
houses
are
a
term
now
called
substantially
damaged,
meaning
they
have
sustained
damage
that
is
over
50%
the
value
of
their
structure
after
Hurricane
OMA,
the
city
did
not
identify
where
I
issue,
letters
of
substantial
damage
to
homeowners
of
damaged
houses
on
Shoreham
Road
and
according
to
FEMA,
they
have
told
us
this
is
in
violation
of
FEMA
guidelines.
In
my
situation,
FEMA
required
such
a
letter
to
process
my
claim
I
was
only
able
to
obtain
such
a
letter
and
I
have
that
here
from
the
city
of
Charleston
after
much
effort
and
time.
AB
Thus
I
have
a
letter
stating
that
I
can
do
no
repairs
on
my
home
unless
I
raise
my
house
to
code,
my
house
was
never
at
code,
I
have
a
house
I
can't
live
in
I,
can't
fix
I,
have
a
mortgage
and
I'm
on
the
hook
for
that,
because
of
the
city's
short-sighted
handling
of
Shoreham
Road
in
1987
I
would
request
if
I
could
just
finish
my
statement.
This
is,
in
my
opinion,
City
Planning
and
its
worst.
It
is
directly
and
unequivocally
the
fault
of
the
city
of
Charleston.
AB
How
is
the
city
going
to
rectify
this?
We
live
in
mold,
several
neighbors,
including
veterans,
senior
citizens,
teachers
and
single
mothers,
are
maxing
out.
Credit
cards
are
going
into
foreclosure
situations
and
our
FEMA
claims
are
being
denied.
Those
are
the
financial
costs.
The
emotional
costs
I
could
go
on
for
days.
You
have
no
idea
this
nightmare,
the
city
created
for
its
residents
in
closing
it
is
unacceptable.
It
is
getting
worse
every
single
day
somewhere.
AB
I
AC
A
A
A
A
Well,
you
might
at
some
point
in
the
future.
We
don't
know
when
that
will
be,
and
you
know
I
am.
I
shared
with
counsel
earlier
today,
a
letter
that
we
got
from
armand
Derfner
and
Millicent
brown.
They
suggested
that
we
defer
it
for
some
time
and
allow
some
you
know
more
community
and
public
forums
to
occur
about
this.
This
matter
and
and
I
appreciate
the
comments.
I
mean
the
intentions.
I
assure
you
were
we're
good
intentions
for
us
to
tell
the
full
story
of
our
city's
history
and
our
country's
history.
A
H
A
Efforts
that
we
have
to
tell
further
parts
of
Charleston's
history
and
heritage,
and
then
you
may
have
seen
council
a
letter
to
the
editor
the
other
day
by
Bratton
Riley,
who
suggested
you
know
just
put
the
words
of
mr.
Calhoun
out
there.
You
know
and
I
know
folks
can
go
to
the
library
and
you
know,
do
the
research,
but
maybe
we
could
just
make
it
easier
for
them
without
any
politicizing
or
commentary,
but
just
the
words
mr.
Calhoun
himself
sometimes
speak
for
themselves.
A
A
The
way
the
majority
of
you
who
have
come
tonight
feel
but
also
our
african-american
brothers
and
sisters
in
our
community
and
on
council.
You
know-
maybe
maybe
you
didn't,
really
feel
or
understand
their
longtime
feelings
about
mr.
calhoune
walking
down
Calhoun
Street
and
seeing
that
statue
up
there.
So
I'd,
like
I,
don't
have
a
specific
plan
going
forward
counsel
and
we
deferred
the
matter.
A
H
Was
there
I,
don't
need
something
as
a
monument
for
me
to
see
too
understand
what
people
went
through
and
I
talked
about
people
in
general,
not
just
african-american,
even
some
whites,
even
females
women's
females
went
through
during
that
time
under
mr.
Calhoun.
So
my
take
on
is
a
totally
different.
I
heard
all
this
history
talking
history,
history
is
there
yeah
history?
Is
there,
but
I
don't
need
a
history?
Something
does
show
me
would
happen.
Standing
up
there
to
remind
me.
H
If
you
may
would
happen,
it
can
be
placed
in
a
place
where
history
that
people
who
wants
to
go
and
see
it
they
can
go
and
see
it
place
in
a
museum,
doesn't
matter
to
me
in
that
sense,
but
I
always
look
at
myself.
I
serve
I'm,
a
strictly
belief
in
God,
I,
don't
doesn't
matter,
but
whoever
else
believed
in.
But
that's
my
belief
in
and
the
person
that
said
hi
and
looked
low
to
me
is
God.
Not
you
know
not
careful
and
so
I
never
paid
that
much
attention
really
to
the
statue.
H
H
I
got
arrested
right
there
in
front
of
that
statue
four
times
and
demonstrating
during
that
time,
and
that
was
14
years
old
and
we
were
doing
it
for
civil
rights
for
everybody
to
make
sure
that
everyone
else
in
the
same
playing
field,
which
it
was
not
the
city
of
Charleston,
but
everybody
is
right
now
coming
to
this
is
not
the
way
the
city
of
Charleston
was
not
for
us.
We
couldn't
cut,
we
couldn't
sit
in
a
restaurant,
we
couldn't
go
in,
we
couldn't
go.
H
We
had
to
go
to
the
back
of
everything
to
buy
any
goods,
we
couldn't
go
in
the
restroom.
We
couldn't
even
go
to
Fort
Sumter
and
drink
the
water
out.
The
fountain
I
could
not
do
it.
I
was
there,
so
it
was
not
different
for
me
because
I
was
there
and
I
was
out
there.
So
we
can't
understand
you
can't
understand
what
we
went
through
doing
that
time
and
I
can
see
we're
not
going
to
read
the
history
about
mr.
H
Calhoun
I
read
the
history
of
buttons
to
Calhoun
I,
don't
know
if
not
a
you
all
read
everything
about
him,
so
he
might
have
been
the
vice
president.
He
might've
been
a
statesman,
but
eiders
he
was
also
he
was.
One
of
them
did
not
want
to
abolish
slavery,
that's
Nestor!
Even
with
females.
He
was
against
them
to
insert
nasty.
H
So
if
people
to
read
history,
gonna
tell
history,
tell
all
the
whole
history
and
we've
taken
no
points
from
here
points
from
here
and
my
history
taught
me:
I
finished
a
New
York
University,
that's
where
I
went
so
when
I
had
history
too
so
I
know
a
lot
about
this,
but
I
came
back
home
in
my
home.
My
time
in
my
was
a
teenager
young
boy,
getting
luck
of
twenty
five
time
right
here
in
city
of
Charleston,
making
things
better
for
everyone,
so
we
can
not
have
it
as
division
if
you're
made.
H
So
it's
a
little
different
with
me,
so
the
wording
and
I
told
mr.
Muir
and
I
applaud
him
when
he
was
trying
to
do
but
I
know
it
wasn't
going
to
work
because
I,
don't
you're,
not
gonna,
appease
a
both
side
anyway,
I
don't
care
what
super
kind
of
writing
you
put
it
on,
because
when
you
come
to
us,
we
can
look
at.
It
definitely
goes
other
people
who
want
to
stay
that
way.
H
It's
gonna
be
different,
so
I
would
have
said
at
the
time
to
get
more
information
and
let
people
come
and
speak
about
it
and
maybe
maybe
by
consensus.
We
might
come
together
on
something
to
deal
with
it,
but
right
now
I
don't
see
it
so
I
would
say
just
we
have
to
defer
it.
We
have
to
come
together
and
get
people
to
come
to
talk
about
it.
Maybe
we
can
come
together
on
some
aspect,
so
no.
A
Action
is
required,
of
course,
that's
it.
It
was
deferred
as
a
part
of
our
agenda
and
that
I'll
read
a
portion
of
the
memo.
It
says
this
memo
acknowledges
time,
energy
and
emotions
you
and
the
history
Commission
have
expended
in
seeking
resolution
to
the
John
C
Calhoun
statue
controversy
they
can't
okay,
is
that
better?
Okay,
because
centuries-old
issues
are
difficult
to
fully
evaluate
the
following.
Suggestion
is
offered
to
adopt
a
meaningful
strategy
for
addressing
historical
race
related
problems.
A
So
they
recommend
a
vote
to
defer
actually
for
a
period
of
one
year
to
create
a
city
sponsored
and
monitor
action,
initiative
for
public
study
and
expression
of
what
the
statute
means
to
multiple
citizens,
business
and
groups
and
utilize
such
public
forms
as
opportunities
for
learning
ways
to
inspire
different
but
necessary
ways
of
thinking
in
the
21st
century.
Deferring
would
not
mean
forgetting,
rather
it
would
mean
working
consciously
as
other
cities
have
to
expand
a
community's
capacity
for
problem-solving.
A
So
that
said,
right
now
we're
going
to
continue
to
further
this
matter
and
we
have
to
get
ready
for
the
seven
o'clock
State
of
the
City
address,
sir.
So
it's
not
a
motion
to
adjourn
we're
going
to
recess
for
about
ten
minutes.
While
they
set
up
then
I'm
going
to
do
the
state
of
the
city
and
then
we'll
continue
our
meeting
to
conduct
the
rest
of
our
business,
which
won't
take
an
awful
long
time.
But
we've
got
to
do
it
so
we're
going
to
recess.