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City Council Workshop: Updated Coastal Flood Risk Management Study 10/21/2021
A
B
B
A
Us
pray
our
heavenly
father,
we
thank
you
for
the
blessings
of
this
day.
Lord,
we
thank
you
for
all
of
our
city
staff
and
all
those
who
have
put
so
much
work
and
time
into
helping
our
city
lord.
We
ask
that
you
continue
to
bless
them
and
and
all
of
their
projects
and
bless
each
one
of
us
help
us
to
open
our
minds
and
our
eyes
to
what
the
possibilities
are
for
it's
in
your
holy
name.
We
pray,
amen.
B
After
all
that,
I'm
going
to
say
again
because
I
mean
it
so
sincerely
how
thankful
we
are
for
our
partnership
with
the
u.s
army
corps
of
engineers.
Y'all
have
been
remarkable
partners
throughout
the
last
almost
four
years
now
on
this
effort.
We
really
can't
thank
you
enough.
So
so
there
you
go.
Thank
you
that
comes
from
the
whole
city.
So
first
up,
dale
is
going
to
give
us
an
introduction
and
overview
and
then
turn
it
over
to
west
dale.
C
There
we
go.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
for
bailing
me
out
with
a
microphone
bayer
members
council,
members
of
the
public
listening
members
of
council
online
today
we're
going
to
do
a
little
workshop
on
the
army
corps
three
by
three
by
three
coastal
storm
risk
management
project.
It's
been
underway
since
2018,
fully
funded
by
the
us
congress.
Normally
these
things
are
funded,
50
50
by
the
non-federal
sponsor,
which
in
this
case
would
be
the
city
and
the
army
corps
engineers
and
through
a
special
appropriations.
C
Authorization
in
2018
who
army
corps
has
done
all
this
work
for
us.
They've
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
investigation
for
us
and
there's
a
lot
more
to
do
we're
going
to
hear
four
presentations
today
so
to
overwhelm
you
with
some
information,
have
some
fun
with
us
to
teach
you
where
we
are
show
you
where
we
are
show
your
where
we
are
not
and
then
how
we
could
possibly
move
forward
of
this
project.
Four
presentations.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
for
having
us
here
this
afternoon
before
we
get
started,
I'd
like
to
introduce
to
my
colleagues,
miss
nancy
parrish
she's,
the
chief
of
planning
in
our
charleston
district,
and
this
jackie
pinoyer
she's
a
corporate
communications.
So
they
have.
I
dragged
them
along
with
me
tonight
so
before
we
get
started
again.
Thank
you.
It's
been
an
amazing
partnership.
D
D
D
D
D
D
The
blue
line
is
what
we've
added
since
the
last
report
releases,
nature
based
features
and
those
are
oyster
reef
based
living
shoreline
cells,
the
red,
the
red
flags
on
the
map
are
small
to
medium
hydraulic
pump
stations
similar
to
the
pump
station
on
concord
street
and
the
blue
flags
are
temporary
pump
stations
so
I'll
run
through
the
bullets
on
the
left.
Now
the
total
cost
of
the
plan
is
1.1
billion
dollars.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
We
ran
11
storms
through
our
coastal
model
and
determined
that
there
would
be
a
marginal
difference
in
water,
surface
elevation
of
an
inch
or
less,
and
what
that
determines
is
basically
you.
We
compare
a
future
without
projects.
So
if
you
have
a
storm
surge
in
nine
feet-
and
this
is
just
one
of
the
examples
we
have
in
our
report-
a
future
with
project
with
a
wall
in
place-
you
have
now
nine
feet
in
one
inch
and
just
a
couple
number
of
areas
and
a
small
number
of
storms,
so
there
would
be
no.
E
D
A
D
All
right,
so
the
final
final
bullet
here
is:
why
non-structural?
Why
did
we
pick
these
areas
for
non-structural?
It's
not
based
on
values.
It's
not
based
on
whether
community
calls
thought
qualifies
for
a
wall,
it's
based
on
trade-offs
right.
So
what
are
the
construction
trade-offs?
Where
is
the
actual
12-foot
tie-in?
Because
if
you
don't
tie
in
a
wall
correctly,
you're
going
to
have
significant
backside
flooding
when
the
water
recedes
it's
based
on
interior
hydrology?
D
What
is
the
current
subsurface
drainage
in
these
communities?
If
you
build
a
wall
around
a
community,
are
you
essentially
creating
a
bath
boat
right,
and
if
you
are
a
bathtub,
then
we
have
to
put
pump
stations
in.
Is
there
real
estate
to
put
these
pump
stations
in
and
if
there's
not,
we
have
to
acquire
that
real
estate
through
buyouts
of
residential
homes
or
or
commercial
properties,
depending
on
what
that
community
has.
D
D
The
total
6535
715
is
fed,
385
is
non-federal
out
of
that
non-federal
cost
share.
150
million
is
real
estate
more
or
less
real
estate.
If
you,
if
it's
a
city-owned
real
estate
or
state-owned
real
estate,
you
get
a
credit
as
part
of
that
as
part
of
the
cost
share.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day
that
that
cash
contribution
that
we
need
from
the
city
is
385
less
than
150..
D
There
we
tried
to
keep
the
alignment
on
a
lot
of
city-owned
property
and
south
carolina
d.o.t
property.
There
are
some
private
parcels
that
crosses
that.
We
will
eventually
need
the
easements
on,
but
the
majority
of
the
alignment
is
on
city
or
state-owned
property,
and
one
thing
I'd
like
to
clarify
here-
and
I
get
this
question
a
lot
is:
we
will
not
need
a
check
at
385
million.
D
So
that
check
we,
you
know
that's
part
of
the
partnership
right
mayor,
that's
something
we
go
to
you
before.
We
submit
a
budget
request
going.
We
need
to
accomplish
a
b
and
c
next
year
and
it's
going
to
cost
us
x
number
of
dollars
the
federal
side,
we're
going
to
request
this,
and
we
will
need
a
cost
share
of
this,
and
we
will
have
that
discussion
well
in
advance
of
us
submitting
a
budget.
D
So
some
of
the
cost
drivers
that
got
us
reduced
to
1.1
billion
is
a
reduction
of
fish
and
wildlife
costs.
That's
the
environmental
mitigation,
that's
going
from
111
acres
to
35
acres,
we've
also
reduced
construction
costs,
moving
the
alignment
of
the
wall
that
we
had
in
our
draft
ea.
We
had
a
majority
in
the
water
around
the
ashley
river.
Moving
that
onto
high
ground
is
three
times
less
expensive,
at
least
three
to
four
times
less
expensive.
D
If
you
have
to
rip
out
a
marina
like
the
city,
marina
to
construct
the
wall
around
the
city-
marina,
that's
that's
four
or
five
times
more
expensive.
So
we
made
that
adjustment
to
high
ground
there
reduced
pump
costs.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
went
from
the
new
orleans
massive
style
pumps
down
to
more
smaller,
concrete
concord
street
size
based
on
our
modeling
that
we
received
the
eliminated
the
break
water
costs.
D
That
was
a
300
million
break
water
at
the
tip
of
the
peninsula.
That
served
no
stand-alone
benefits
for
coastal
storm
surge.
So
if
you
just
had
the
breakwater
there,
no
wall
that
would
do
nothing
to
protect
the
peninsula
for
coastal
storm
surge.
We
refined
our
non-structural
costs.
So
after
we
did
our
our
surveys
of
our
communities,
we
went
and
talked
to
some
of
the
local
developers
that
typically
raised
homes
and
flood
proof
houses,
and
we
got
a
better
estimate
by
talking
to
the
those
local
community
local
developers.
D
Half
of
I
can't
read
the
stats
on
this,
but
I'll
go
for
my
memory,
but
half
of
the
hospitals,
half
of
the
police
stations
are
at
risk
of
damages
from
a
storm
surge
with
a
project
in
place.
That
number
goes
down
to
zero
from
it
for
a
similar
surge
as
hurricane
hugo
and
that's
part
of
the
coastal
resiliency
building
coastal
resilience.
So
you
have
a
city
to
come
back
to
in
the
future
after
a
storm
event,
and
this
and
the
same
goes
for
historical
impacts.
D
D
Timeline
so
I'll
be
the
first
to
say:
I
do
not
have
all
the
answers
yet.
I
do
not
have
a
lot
of
engineering
details
that
comes
in
the
design
phase.
What
does
the
wall
look
like?
What
is
the
exact
placement
on
what
side
of
the
street
is
the
wall
going
to
be
on?
Don't
know
that
yet
that
comes
in
the
engineering
side.
D
We
are
in
the
study
phase.
We
are
almost
done
the
studying
portion
of
this
project,
and
this
is
a
four-phase
army
core.
We
do
this
on
all
of
our
projects.
We
study
design,
build
turn
the
keys
over
to
the
non-federal
sponsor,
and
then
they
maintain
it
so
again
I'll
be.
First,
though,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
the
engineering
answers
at
this
point
and
where
we
are
today,
we
are
in
the
45-day
review.
D
Our
public
comment
period
ends
on
october
5th,
so
we
encourage
the
folks,
listening
and
and
in
the
city
to
engage
their
constituents
to
put
in
public
comment
because
it
really
did
help
shape
where
we
are.
Today
we
hold
an
internal
core
of
engineers,
decision
milestone
on
august,
I'm
sorry
november
15th,
and
that
changes
our
tentative
plan
to
a
recommended
plan.
That
simply
means
the
core
of
engineers
is
behind
this
plan.
D
They
they've
seen
the
comments
they've
seen
whether
the
non-federal
sponsor
is
supportive
of
this
plan
and
then
the
whole
agency
backs
this
plan
so
that
changes
to
a
recommended
plan
in
december.
I
have
four
milestones
that
require
action
by
the
city
I
do
I
did.
I
did
put
a
t
on
it
because
I
know
the
holidays
are
around
and
if
this
slips
into
january,
that's
okay,
I
know
it's
kind
of
it
could
be
a
long
process
to
get
signatures
on
these
documents
and
approvals
or
whatnot.
D
E
D
Simply
says
the
city
is
supported.
The
city
is
supportive
of
the
recommended
plan
and
and
there's
plenty
of
things
you
can
say
in
there
and
would
like
to
progress
into
ped
phase,
which
is
the
design
phase.
But
there
is
no
commitment
financially
to
the
city.
At
that
point,
there's
no
commitment
financially
by
signing
the
self
financial
self-certification
for
our
chief
of
engineers
to
make
a
decision
on
to
approve
this
project
or
not
he's
going
to
want
to
know.
B
F
Oh
sorry,
there
we
go
you're
right.
I
I
think
when
you
said
that
what
we're
going
to
commit
to
and
the
support
letter
doesn't
have
any
cost
share
obligation.
Is
that
a
good
way
of
saying
it?
But
then
you
went
on
to
say
that
your
your
boss
needs
to
hear
that
the
local
partner
which
is
us
is,
is
committed
supporting
of
going
through
to
ped,
which
we
know
will
have
a
cost.
So
can
we?
Is
there
something
a
little
more?
D
D
The
corps
of
engineers
wanted
to
see
your
bank
accounts.
They
looked
at
the
bank
statements
to
see
if
the
non-federal
sponsor
had
the
money
available
to
cost
share.
Now
we
don't
do
that
anymore.
We
just
simply
get
a
self-certification
from
the
cfo
saying
that
in
the
future
a
cost
share
match
will
they.
You
will
be
able
to
come
up
with
that
call
share
match
in
the
future,
but
it's
no
commitment
of
funding
at
that
time.
F
F
Take
out
a
loan
and
that
does
look
at
all
of
your
financial.
You
know
it's
a
snapshot
of
your
finances
at
that
point
in
time,
but
that's
not
what
you're
going
to
be
asking
us
so
we'll
still
have
the
chance
to
go
on
and
find
the
other
stakeholder
contributors
to
our
match.
Yes,
ma'am
figure
it
out.
Okay,.
G
I
think
I've
got
two,
mr
mayor,
if
you
don't
mind,
my
first
is
you
know,
hypothetically.
If
we
were
to
sign
an
agreement
to
move
forward,
and
you
know,
within
the
engineering
phase,
we
decided
that
we,
you
know
we
needed
to
put
off.
You
know
the
actual
implementation
and
the
building
of
this
this
wall.
G
D
D
D
We
will
not
request
federal
dollars
unless
the
city
has
a
cost
share
match
so
down
the
road.
You
know
you
say:
well,
we
don't
have
a
cost
share
match
this
year,
we're
not
going
to
submit
it
in
the
budget
and
that's
simply
how
it
goes.
Funding
drives
whether
we
move
forward
with
this
project
or
not,
and
if
it
comes
down
to
a
strategic
pause
right
to
reevaluate
of
what
we've
done.
That's
acceptable
right
absolutely
and
we
have
we.
We
set
up
agreements.
D
G
Okay
and
my
follow-up
question,
and
really
I'm
just
just
kind
of
looking
for
your
perspective
on
this,
because
I
feel
like
I'm
in
a
unique
situation.
You
know
my
district
is
several
miles
away
from
downtown.
This
project
is
not
going
to
have
a
direct
impact
on
my
constituents
in
outer
west
ashley.
If
you
were
me,
what
would
you
say
to
my
constituents
that
do
flood
out
and
we've
had
some
significant,
significant
flooding
issues
in
church
creek
and
we've
been
given?
You
know,
you
know,
cost
analysis,
that's
far
far
lower
than
this.
D
D
C
If
you
get
to
search
the
surge
event
of
any
substantial
level,
it's
going
to
knock
that
stuff
out
and
the
experiences
in
new
york
post
sandy
in
no
in
lake
charles
post,
laura
in
texas,
post
ike.
You
know
a
lot
of
places.
It
takes
a
decade
to
recover
a
decade
to
recover
from
a
surge
event,
tidal
flooding,
storm
water,
flooding,
those
are
insidious
and
they
can
cause
a
lot
of
damage
in
the
short
time.
The
recovery
recovery
is
generally
quicker,
a
surge
event
knocks
places
out
for
a
while.
C
So
your
constituents
or
anyone's
constituents
may
in
fact
have
to
drive
to
colombia
to
get
cancer
treatment
or
they
may
have
to
go
somewhere
else
to
go
to
college
or
they
may
have
to
go
somewhere
else
to
find
a
job,
because
the
restaurant,
the
the
accounting
firm,
whatever
they
work
for
they
have
closed
down
because
of
the
surge
event.
So
the
economic
heart
of
this
region
is
on
the
peninsula.
C
The
study
will
be
terminated
most
likely
and
that
money
then
will
be
spent
on
places
that
want
it.
So
that's
that's
sort
of
what
happens
here.
The
the
general
needs
the
sort
of
the
the
the
handshake
from
the
city
that
yes,
we're
going
to
go
forward
and
in
federal
funding
and
congressional
appropriations.
C
You
pause
the
study
and
you
incur
a
demobilization
cost
and
immobilization
costs
the
year
or
later,
and
if
that
occurs
once
of
the
over
the
life
cycle
of
the
project,
it's
not
a
big
deal,
so
these
things
can
be
done.
They
are
done
it's
possible,
so
I
don't
want
you
to
over
it's
not
as
if
you're
signing
385
million
dollars
from
the
city
way
this
december.
It's
the
step
forward
and
the
confidence
to
congress
and
the
white
house
that
the
city
is
willing.
A
B
B
I
could
be
wrong,
but
I
I
think
that
the
project
is
pretty
well
known
about
in
the
in
in
our
region.
It's
gotten
great
coverage,
dale's
been
out
talking
to
the
chamber,
and
other
governmental
leaders
mark
did
that
so
folks
know
about
it,
and
if,
if
the
city
of
north
charleston
wanted
a
similar
project,
they
they
would
have
to
do
like
we
did
and
go
to
the
core
and
and
request
a
preliminary
study.
Isn't
that
right,
wes,
that's
absolutely
right!
Yeah.
D
A
C
You
councilman
gregory,
as
wes
explained
with
the
water
service
elevation
analysis.
They
did
for
the
deflection
possible,
deflection
reflection
of
water
from
the
wall
surrounding
the
peninsula,
to
say
james,
island
or
west
ashley,
or
to
daniel
island
that
water
surface
elevation
on
an
eight
foot.
Nine
foot
surge
would
be
one
inch
more,
so
some
one
or
one
percent
or
less.
C
So,
if
you
think
of
that
and
translate
that
up,
the
rivers
surge
generally
loses
energy
and
its
water
level
as
it
moves
inland.
So
it
is
less,
is
not
likely
to
have
an
impact
up
there.
It's
not
like
we're
going
to
increase
the
risk
with
this
project.
The
issue
that
is
going
to
have
is,
if
it's
raining
and
this
water
that
comes
in
it's
going
to
be
raining
in
north
charleston
too,
and
then
on
that
high
tide.
C
You
will
have
impacts
from
the
same
storm,
but
it's
not
blamed
on
the
charleston
peninsula
structure
to
be
blamed
upon
that
storm.
So
there
is
a
need
to
coordinate
this,
and
you
know
I
we
mark
wilbert,
and
I
spoke
with
with
the
county
folks.
In
early
september,
we
have
made
outreach
to
various
folks
in
the
tri-county
to
to
continue
to
discuss
this
and
we'll
engage
with
them
as
we
as
we
need
to
as
we
go
forward.
If
we
go
forward.
H
H
I've
been
in
meetings
with
the
army
corps.
They
take
these
comments
very
very
seriously,
as
you
all
know
about
that
good.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
anyway.
So
you
know
really
be
sure
to
have
folks
comment
on
that
report
by
by
monday
and
we're
telling
folks
to
do
the
same
thing.
So
here
we
are
I'm
going
to
talk
about
not
necessarily
what
this
wall
looks
like,
but
really
what
it
could
be
like
for
us
at
the
design,
center
and
design
division
of
the
city
of
charleston.
H
We've
been
working
with
the
army
corps
since
the
beginning
of
the
project
and,
as
you
all
know,
we
produced
a
lengthy
report
as
if
we
needed
another
one
to
to
really
take
into
consideration
all
of
the
various
design
opportunities
along
the
peninsula.
We
use
the
term
opportunities
for
a
few
different
reasons.
There's
an
opportunity
here
to
really
implement
some
of
the
things
that
the
city
needs
beyond
just
simple
storm
surge
protection.
H
There's
also
an
opportunity
to
get
it
wrong,
there's
an
opportunity
to
put
something
in
our
city
that
may
harm
the
public
realm,
and
we
may
regret
so.
It's
really
important
that
we
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
look
at
this
and
get
it
right.
There's
also
an
opportunity
to-
and
this
is
less
important
to
many
to
many
degrees.
It's
an
opportunity
to
really
help
the
army
corps
define
and
refine
their
approach
to
how
they
build
these
kinds
of
structures
in
american
cities.
You
know
we're
not
the
only
ones
dealing
with
this
problem.
H
H
H
H
The
first
portion
project
context
really
just
deals
with
the
overall
process,
these
high-level
peninsula-wide
kinds
of
issues
and
then
I'll
go
into
the
others
as
we
move
along
and
before
I
go
any
further.
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
great
work
of
other
people,
our
private
sector
and
our
non-profit
partners
have
really
stepped
up
on
this
important
project.
Many
of
you
have
seen
the
sherwood
report
or
the
imagine
the
wall
report.
We
all
familiar
with
what
the
dutch
dialogue
said
about
this.
H
Our
work
really
builds
on
the
work
of
others
and
elevates
that
it's
our
role
as
a
civic
design
center
to
elevate
the
great
ideas
of
others
and
to
strengthen
our
design-based
partnerships
very
beginning
of
the
of
our
process.
We
were
really
really
struggling
with
the
magnitude
of
this
piece
of
infrastructure.
What
is
it
going
to
be
like?
What
is
it,
what
is
being
proposed?
What
are
the
standards
surrounding
this
piece
of
infrastructure?
H
H
Quite
generally,
we
just
made
these
very
following
army
corps
protocol.
We
made
these
very,
very
simple
renderings,
just
to
indicate
which
aspects
of
our
perimeter
or
existing
perimeter
would
be
affected
and
and
the
magnitude
of
those.
Since
then,
the
general
excuse
me,
for
example,
that's
in
general
massing
and
in
some
cases
where
trees
may
be
eliminated,
and
as
you
can
see,
this
is
no
surprise.
There
will
be
a
significant
visual
impact
to
the
project.
H
This
is
the
end
of
st
margaret
street,
for
example,
but
through
that
process
we
were
able,
as
wes
was
saying,
to
do
something
that
was
unprecedented
in
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
which
is
to
work
with
their
cost
estimators
and
their
staff
landscape
architect,
in
our
studio,
for
you
know,
over
over
a
period
of
weeks
to
develop
sketches
that
would
inform
possibilities
to
then
get
this
funding
allocated
to
this
project
is
53
million
dollars
enough
to
do
everything?
That's
in
this
report?
Absolutely
not!
H
That
report
is
really
a
basis
for
some
preliminary
decision
that
needs
to
be
made
so
that
we
can
prioritize
how
to
spend
these
dollars
and
look
at
alternative
funding
in
addition
to
these
dollars
to
allocate
to
the
project
to
positively
affect
the
public
realm
and
you'll
see
that
I
get
into
some
alternative
alignment
ideas
as
well
and
in
the
alignments
when
I
get
into
them.
You
know
if
you're
talking
about
aesthetic
mitigation
and
having
to
make
this
perimeter
look
better,
for
example,
lack
of
a
better
word.
H
You
know
if
it's
in
the
wrong
place,
and
it's
and
it's
within
the
city
of
course,
you're
going
to
be
spending
more
money
on
something
that
should
be
somewhere
else
when
you
could
get
it
somewhere
else,
and
you
may
not
need
to
spend
that
money
on
that
place.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
prioritization
exercise
that
work
can
be
found
in
appendix
a
of
the
army
corps.
Work
and
again
I
encourage
everyone
to
go.
Take
a
look
at
that
and
comment
on
it
by
monday.
H
Our
work
also
contains
various
reinterpretations
of
the
army
corps
work.
We
made
a
lot
of
assumptions
and
we
did
some
reinterpretations
from
their
work.
So,
for
example,
the
renderings
that
you'll
see
are
not
their
renderings
they're
renderings
that
we
put
together
based
on
our
understanding
of
what
the
wall
would
look
like,
and
this
and
these
in
this
set
of
maps,
which
I'm
sure
you've
seen
the
tsp,
the
tenderly
selective
plan
is
reinterpreted
and
remapped
to
the
left.
To
the
right
are
areas
that
we
see
at
again
at
a
high
level
for
improvement.
H
These
include
the
use
of
different
wall
types
in
our
private
in
our
public
spaces.
Our
parks,
for
example,
looks
like
we
lost
the
screen
guys
there
we
go.
Thank
you
and
then
also
some
realignments.
First,
major
and
minor,
for
example,
we
think
a
complete
study
for
realignment
needs
to
be
done
for
every
portion
of
the
wall
on
the
east
side
north
of
charlotte
street.
H
We
also
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
re-evaluation
of
the
wall
around
the
james
island
connector,
to
see
if
there's
something
better,
we
can
do
there
as
we
move
through
these.
These
are
sort
of
these
high
level
kinds
of
issues,
the
the
limited
use
of
wall
types.
These
are
the
tools
that
are
in
the
course
toolbox.
H
But
if
you
look
at
other
cities,
particularly
in
the
netherlands,
there
are
a
bunch
of
different
ways
to
to
build
a
perimeter,
and
we
think
we
could
call
on
those
examples
and
enhance
those
tools
in
the
army
army
corps
toolbox,
for
example,
there's
no
berm
or
levy
proposed
as
part
of
this
project.
I
think
there
are
some
opportunities
to
do
that
kind
of
work
on
our
peninsula
heights
heights
are
a
little
bit.
H
You
know
misconceiving,
if
you
think
about
it,
just
from
12
feet,
because
a
lot
of
people
think
that
I'm
going
to
be
standing
in
the
street
and
there's
going
to
be
a
12
foot
wall
in
front
of
me.
That's
not
necessarily
the
case.
We
actually
put
together
a
map
that
talks
about
the
height
of
the
wall
from
the
ground.
H
When
you
think
about
seven
to
nine
feet,
that's
taller
than
I
am
so
we
think
about
the
human
scale
and
how
we
build
human
scaled
cities
and
and
what
we
do
in
our
city
to
try
to
achieve
a
comfortable
human
scale.
So
that
is
a
very
big
challenge
for
us.
Other
parts
of
the
wall
are
smaller.
You
can
convert
those
to
like
a
knee
wall
or
a
seating
wall.
You
can
do
some
landscape
around
these,
so
get
into
that.
But
wall
heights
from
the
ground
are
an
important
factor.
H
We
kind
of
break
that
down
for
folks
here,
gates
gates,
are
a
critical
concern,
not
just
for
the
vulnerability
that
they
may
pre
they
may
present
into
the
perimeter,
but
not
just
for
the
operations
and
maintenance
that
would
be
involved,
but
this
the
impact
of
those
gates
on
the
street
itself.
What
are
they
like
at
the
intersections?
H
H
These
are
questions
that
we're
going
to
have
to
really
dig
deeper
into
in
the
pet
phase,
but
really
pay
attention
to
how
these
gates
may
or
may
not
operate
in
in
the
city
and
what
the
needs
of
those
gates
are
and
then
and
then
the
the
public
realm
the
visual
impacts
of
the
public
realm.
This
is
our
map.
This
is
not
the
same
as
the
visual
impact
assessment
that
was
done
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
and
there
are
really
four
kind
of
main
variables
for
us
here:
number
one.
H
When
you
think
about
you,
know,
utilities
and
whatnot,
where
is
a
wall
planned
to
be
or
may
likely
be
in
front
of
a
current
or
planned
ground
floor
use
ground
active
ground
floor
uses
are
very
hard
to
get
in
our
city,
especially
where
they're
in
a
flood
zone.
So
I'm
talking
about
retail
and
lobbies
those
things
in
the
ground
level
of
the
building
that
actually
serve
to
activate
the
street.
H
If
you
place
a
wall
in
front
of
those
you
may
har,
you
may
harm
any
retail
in
terms
of
visibility
that
may
be
in
that
building
and
you
may
end
up
creating
a
canyon
effect
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
frontage
of
that
building.
So
really
careful
on
that,
really
something
we
really
care
about
as
urban
designers.
H
Also,
what
this
thing
looks
like
also
not
necessarily
just
the
aesthetics
of
it,
but
how
is
it
experienced
and
where
is
it
experienced
in
our
streets,
so
the
streets
that
go
down
to
the
river
and
end
at
the
river?
What
does
it
look
like
from
that
view,
and
also
what
does
it
look
like
when
you're
walking
along?
I
showed
some
images
earlier
that
show
that,
and
then,
where
does
this
bisect
a
public
space?
So
where
does
it
run
through
brittlebank
park,
for
example?
H
Those
are
all
very
important
public
realm
issues,
so
key
topics.
We
actually
break
down
six
very
interrelated
key
topics
and
I'll
talk
about
each
one
of
them
as
we
go
and
then
the
third
section
is
going
to
be
segments
and
I'm
only
going
to
use
one
segment
as
an
example
of
the
12
segments.
I'll
say
the
16
segments
that
are
talked
about
in
the
report,
so
first
off
our
civic
design
legacy
and
we're
at
charleston.
H
We
take
design
very
very
seriously
here
and
we
used
to
you
know
in
the
pending
department
design
review
committee
that
I
sit
on,
but
we're
used
to
scrutinizing
every
brick
and
every
material.
You
know
ask
any
developer
that
comes
to
town
how
hard
it
is
to
build
a
building
here
compared
to
somewhere,
like
charlotte
and
and
they'll,
tell
you
sort
of
the
challenges
that
they
may
face
and
sort
of
the
added
firepower.
If
you
will
of
design
that
they
have
to
do
when
they're.
H
Here
we
have
very
high
expectations,
and
rightly
so,
for
urban
design,
we
have
a
legacy
of
city
building,
that's
very
strong.
We
have
a
downtown
plan,
that's
very
clear
about
how
we
should
build
our
city.
We
have
a
civic
design
center,
that's
pretty
rare,
every
municipality
to
even
have
that
facility.
We
our
bar
our
strong
preservation
groups.
I
can't
really
say
enough
about
our
legacy
as
charleston
and
the
importance
of
design
in
our
city,
and
that
has
to
be
it
reiterated
now,
and
it
also
has
to
be
reiterated
as
we
move
into
ped.
H
So
all
members
of
all
teams
are
aware
of
our
expectations
on
that
front,
the
edges
of
amenity.
You
talk
a
lot
about
this
in
our
in
our
community
advisory
committee.
How
can
we
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
create
an
amenity
for
charleston
our
green
loop
concept,
and-
and
this
is
echoed
in
the
imagine-
the
wall
report
that
was
done
by
bio
habitats
and
design
works
and
others?
This
is
an
opportunity
to
get
a
continuously
connected
green
system
all
the
way
around
the
peninsula.
H
If
it
is
indeed
green
and
if
it
indeed
does
serve
more
than
one
function,
the
dutch
told
us
that
this
has
to
be
a
multi-functional
system.
So
for
us
we
conceive
of
this
as
a
place
where
you
can
ride
a
bike
or
walk
and
connect
around
the
peninsula.
That
way
a
series
of
linear
open
spaces,
much
how
we
envision
the
low
country
low
line.
Also,
these
need
to
serve
a
strong
ecological
function
to
manage
storm
water
inside
of
the
city
and
and
other
ecological
services
that
this
may
provide.
H
H
Are
there
alternative
ways
of
building
and
greening
the
edge,
for
example,
creating
a
linear
landscape
like
I
talked
about,
but
also
looking
at
green
instead
of
gray,
so
that
when
you're
walking
along
that
street
you're,
not
looking
at
the
back
of
a
wall
but
you're
looking
at
something
that
is
much
more
beautiful.
These
are
questions
that
we'll
be
asking
in
ped,
really
hats
off
to
the
to
the
army
corps
of
engineers
for
adding
those
living
shoreline
elements
back.
That's
that's!
That's!
No
small!
There's,
no
small
success.
H
We
think
there
are
more
opportunities
for
living,
shorelines
and
other
nature-based
services
and
we
want
to
explore
those,
for
example
the
breakwater,
while
it
provides
no
direct
storm
surge
benefit.
It
would,
however,
provide
other
aesthetic
and
ecological
benefits
and
probably
some
additional
wave
attenuation.
The
dutch
and
the
wagner
and
ball
study
talked
about
multiple
lines
of
defense,
so
we
should
be
exploring
those
kinds
of
things
in
the
public
realm
chapter.
H
There
are
seven
additional
wall
types
and
treatments
that
we
talk
about,
and
there
are
seven
specific
areas
that
we
think
need
a
high
level
and
of
investigation
when
we
get
to
ped.
I
won't
go
through
all
of
these,
but
I'll
just
kind
of
mention
a
few
of
them
cladding.
What
is
the
wall?
What
is
on
the
wall?
Is
it?
Is
it
the
same
kind
of
wall
that
we
ask
our
developers
to
do
when
they're
building
a
parking
lot,
for
example
the
materiality
of
this
wall?
H
H
Stairs
ramps,
that's
this
is
where
I
want
to
talk
about
that.
Actually
so
you're
adding
stairs
and
ramps
to
this
wall
making
sure
you
can
get
up
and
over
it
not
just
using
a
gate
to
access
something.
That's
on
the
other
side.
This
is
especially
important
if
we're
going
to
introduce
berm,
so
a
landscape
berm,
you
want
to
be
able
to
have
that
up
and
over
kind
of
activity.
H
I
talk
about
articulation
in
the
report
relative
to
cladding
and
how
the
wall
needs
to
be
broken
down
into
the
digestible
chunks.
For
example,
we
have
a
lot
of
our
architects
through
their
portal
architecture.
Review
process
articulate
the
facades
of
their
buildings
so
that
they
appear
to
be
smaller
masses.
H
We
should
think
about
the
wall
in
the
same
way,
so
adding
stanchions
and
toppers,
and
things
like
that
to
make
it
more
more
refined,
as
it
goes
to
the
city,
okay
and
then
these
are
just
some
key
places
that
we're
going
to
want
to
talk
about
when
we
get
into
ped
lower
lockwood.
It's
very
important
places
like
that
here
here
are
those
kind
of
very
basic
those
four
key
areas
that
all
teams
are
going
to
need
to
be
thinking
about
in
the
next
phase
of
the
project,
and
these
are
sort
of
in
order.
H
H
You
know
this
needs
to
be
thought
about
in
three
dimensions
so
that
it
becomes
sort
of
a
linear
space
rather
than
just
a
thing,
if
I
can
put
it
that
way,
so
the
first
diagram
indicates
that
we're
going
to
want
to
take
a
very
simple
wall
and
we're
going
to
want
to
do
things
to
it
to
actually
make
it
fit
better
into
our
city.
Second,
is
alignment
which
actually
should
be
first,
but
is
it
in
the
right
place?
H
If
it's
not
in
the
right
place,
what
can
we
do
to
get
it
in
the
right
place,
for
example
in
columbus
terminal?
It
might
make
more
sense,
as
the
port
has
previously
expressed,
to
get
that
wall
inside
of
the
port
or
I'm
sorry
outside
of
the
port,
so
that
their
facilities
are
more
protected
and
it's
more
in
keeping
with
their
industrial
operations
and
it's
not
located
along
east
bay,
for
example.
Many
examples
in
this
in
this
perimeter
project
moments.
H
This
is
something
that's
a
little
bit
unique
and
not
a
lot
of
people
talk
about,
but
along
our
perimeter
today
there
are
very
small,
interesting
moments
that
people
of
our
city
enjoy,
and
that
might
be
the
park
bench.
That's
at
the
end
of
butane
street.
With
that
newly
installed
crosswalk,
it
might
be
the
beach
that's
at
the
beginning
of
the
battery.
It
might
be
the
abandoned
rail
line
in
the
east
side
where
people
go
fish.
H
H
Then
we
talk
about
materials,
then
we
talk
about
what's
on
it
and
how
it's
broken
down
streets
and
gates.
I
talked
about
those.
We
do
a
little
gate
study
in
our
in
our
report.
I
won't
go
too
far
into
this.
I
talked
about
there
needing
to
be
some
space.
We
looked
at
gates
in
other
cities
and
it's
pretty
scary.
To
be
honest,
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
that
the
army
corps
has
to,
I
think,
do
a
little
bit
better.
H
Here's
a
rendering
that
we
did
again
our
the
renderings
are
based
on
our
interpretation
of
of
the
exact
alignment.
For
example,
we
think,
based
on
the
army
corps
map,
that
what
is
being
conceived
of
is
a
wall
along
the
median
of
calhoun
street
in
front
of
the
aquarium.
This
is
calhoun
street,
looking
west
as
it
go
as
the
wall
may
go
down
the
median
and
then
the
wall
would
then
turn
north
to
go
up
to
towards
columbus
terminal.
H
But
the
whole
point
here-
and
these
are
in
our
report
and
the
many
segments
that
we
have-
we
have
several
of
these-
you
can
see
over
here
on
the
side
of
the
room,
really
just
making
sure.
Okay,
here's
the
gate,
here's
how
tall
it
might
be.
Here's
what
it
looks
like
in
the
median
now,
what
now?
How
do
we
do
something
with
the
median?
H
Alignments
can't
talk
enough
about
that
made
major
and
minor
alignments.
Minor
alignments
really
do
matter
which
side
of
the
street
it's
on.
Is
it
in
a
median?
Is
it
co-located
with
a
bike
path
here
in
waterfront
park,
for
example
just
to
the
south,
instead
of
the
wall
being
located
on
concord
street
separating
the
park
from
the
street,
we
think
a
slight
expansion
of
the
park
into
the
water
should
be
explored
and
in
this
berm
fashion,
so
that
you're
creating
a
little
bit
more
landscape.
H
There
is
there's
going
to
be
some
environmental
impacts
associated
with
some
of
these
things.
We
have
to
carefully
evaluate
those
trade-offs
between
the
public,
realm
modalism
on
the
peninsula
and
the
environment.
Those
are
all
very
important
issues
for
us.
Another
issue
in
terms
of
making
alignment
decisions
is
going
to
be
the
developability
of
space
I'll
just
quickly
hop
ahead
to
this
one
union,
pure
terminal.
We
have
an
adopted
plan
for
that.
Our
downtown
plan
calls
for
that
to
be
redeveloped,
and
our
comprehensive
plan
is
now
calling
for
that
to
eventually
be
redeveloped.
H
That's
pretty
pretty
common
knowledge
at
this
point,
but
right
now
the
army
corps
alignment
responds
the
existing
condition.
So
this
is
what
I
mean
when
I
talk
about
implementing
the
1999
downtown
plan
and
building
out
our
city
to
ensure
that
the
wall
or
the
perimeter,
as
I
like,
prefer
to
call
it
anticipates
the
future
build
out
of
the
city
just
back
really
quick.
This
is
how
the
walls
may
appear,
as
as
designed
or
as
proposed
along
lockwood
and
giving
us
a
reason
to
explore
some
other
alternatives.
H
This
is
up
on
morrison
drive.
If
the
wall
is
going
to
be
located
in
the
middle
of
the
street,
maybe
there
are
other
places
to
put
that
wall.
We've
got
a
series
of
rail
spurs.
I
know
working
with
the
rail
is
almost
always
a
challenge
we
and
some
of
those
rail
spurs
are
abandoned,
so
maybe
maybe
those
could
hold
the
wall
instead
again,
these
are
just
questions.
H
H
You
know
I'm
going
to
use
lower
lockwood
as
an
example.
You
might
ask
you
know
why
segments.
Why
are
we
doing
this
in
segments
and
the
reality
is
that
you
can't
really
understand
and
make
decisions
for
the
peninsula
at
a
at
a
high
level?
Looking
only
at
the
peninsula,
you
really
have
to
get
down
and
appreciate
these
individual
places
for
what
they
are.
H
You
know
the
the
needs
of
real
bank
park
are
different
than
waterfront
park.
The
spatial
configurations
are
different,
so
the
design
responses
should
be
different,
which
calls
into
question
using
a
limited
number
of
wall
typologies.
They
should
be
more
nuanced
than
that.
So
here
we
are
at
lower
lockwood.
H
This
is
actually
one
of
the
most
popular
locations
in
terms
of
where
different
people
have
proposed
renderings
the
subjects
of
various
conversations,
and
we
all
know
it
for
its
nuisance
flooding
it's
one
of
the
most
most
well-known
sites
on
the
peninsula
for
to
be
underwater,
essentially
at
a
higher
frequency
than
some
of
the
other
parts
of
our
peninsula.
So
the
extent
of
this
segment
runs
from
the
lower
part
of
the
city,
marina
to
the
southern
part
of
the
coast
guard
station.
We
don't
have
any
proposals
for
the
coast
guard
station.
H
It's
we
have
areas
of
the
peninsula
that
we
didn't
quite
get
to
it's.
A
very
large
geography,
we're
going
to
need
a
lot
more,
a
lot
more
study,
as
as
we
go
into
the
next
phase
of
the
project
for
places
like
that,
every
segment
in
our
report
contains
both
the
black
and
white
oblique.
That
shows
you
in
more
detail
where
the
current
usa
tsp
is
proposed.
H
It
talks
about
some
key
features
of
that
area
and
then
also
a
detailed
what
we
call
our
composite
map.
This
is
a
map
that
we've
been
creating
for
for
about
three
years
now,
where
we're
tracking
various
alignment
ideas,
we're
we're
showing
folks
how
tall
the
wall
is,
that
location
and
calling
out
different
features
and
issues
as
we
go
along.
So
what
about
lower
lockwood?
Well,
we're
really
close
on
lower
lockwood
in
terms
of
working
with
the
core
and
arriving
at
a
mutual
understanding
of
what
a
battery
is
here
in
charleston.
H
You
know
we've,
we
know
what
we
I
think
we
know
what
a
battery
is.
We
love
walking
on
the
battery.
I
love
taking
my
family
down
there
to
see
it
when
they're
in
town,
and
I
we
think
that
lower
lockwood
could
be
our
west
battery.
That's
why
we
call
it
the
west
battery.
We
could
take
that
typology
here
that
we're
so
familiar
with
that.
H
We
know
that
works
that
we're
building
out
this
very
day
to
then
replicate
that
in
the
lower
lockwood
area,
this
could
be
a
walking
path,
but
the
challenge
here
is
not
necessarily
just
what
it
looks
like
again:
it's
it
would.
A
walking
path
would
be
really
tall
if
this
were
just
a
wall
with
a
path
on
it.
You
have
to
look
at
the
back
side
of
that
wall
to
see
you
know
what
you
can
do
to
to
make
it
more
more
of
a
landscape.
H
Here's
that
the
rendering
shows
more
landscape,
there's
a
lot
of
lush
green
there.
We
have
to
work
on
the
design,
but
we
want
to
be
able
to
preserve
our
trees
and
back
plant
more.
We
want
to
be
able
to
do
something
to
the
back
side
of
the
wall.
We
want
to
be
able
to
have
that
be
more
like
a
real
battery.
H
We
have
all
these
sections
in
our
document
and
eventually
I
think
we
want
to
elevate
the
roadway
or
some
portion
of
roadway,
so
we're
not
having
to
get
up
so
high
to
be
on
that
wall.
We
talk
about
stairs
and
ramps
and
connections,
and
things
like
that.
The
book
is
full
of
sketches
and
there's
sketches
for
a
reason,
and
it's
because
we
don't
have
all
of
the
answers.
You
start
with
a
simple
hand,
drawing
for
exploration,
and
that
exploration
is
what
allowed
us
to
allocate
that
53
million
dollars
to
the
project.
Alan
sir.
C
H
H
So
here
we
are
just
more
ideas:
all
the
segments
are
like
this
and
again
we
elevate
the
work
of
others.
The
sherwood
study
option
one
talks
about
the
same
thing
that
we
talked
about.
You
know
potentially
reconfiguring
the
right
of
way
to
allow
for
it
to
be
more
to
be
more
of
a
landscape
and
I'll
quickly
finish
up
with
a
couple
of
conclusions.
The
first
conclusion
and
you've
heard
my
supervisor
director,
robert
summerfield,
say
this
and
other
meetings.
We
need
a
new
downtown
plan.
H
H
H
We
can't
really
sink
our
teeth
into
this,
and
we
can't
make
these
very
critical,
detailed
design
decisions
for
the
geographies
that
that
need
to
be
made
for
without
going
into
ped,
without
adding
more
capacity
on
both
the
army
corps
side
and
also
on
the
city
side,
and
maybe
taking
advantage
of
some
of
our
really
great
consultants
that
are
out
there.
For
example,
how
cedar
rapids
did
their
work
with
a
mix
of
consultants,
talented
city
staff
and
the
army
corps
to
to
come
up
with
a
design
for
their
city?
H
I'm
not
I'm
not
exactly
sure
of
the
sequencing
there.
I
know
that
we
need
a
downtown
plan,
regardless
of
where
of
whether
we're
doing
an
army
corps
wall
or
not.
There
are
many
issues.
The
downtown
plan
needs
to
address
independent
of
perimeter
protection.
We
have
an
affordable
housing
crisis,
we
need
to
have
new
transportation
and
mobility
needs,
we're
running
out
of
land
for
development,
development,
contentious
about
massing
and
zoning
on
the
peninsula.
H
B
D
D
As
soon
as
we
start,
and
if
funding
comes
in
year
after
year
after
year,
that'll
take
three
to
four
years
three
four
years
and
it's
just
dependent,
that's,
and
if
we
break
it
off
in
the
smaller
sections,
it
could
be
shorter
right.
So
if
we
only
design
from
the
coast
guard
to
phase
one
coast
guard
to
the
citadel,
that
could
be
much
shorter,
ped
time
frame
than
designing
the
entire
eight
miles
of
the
wall.
At
one
time,.
E
E
H
The
best
way
that
I
know
how
to
answer
that
question
is
that
to
me
our
low
battery
and
our
high
battery
is
just
a
little
bit
more
than
an
elevated
sidewalk.
There's
a
lot
more
going
on,
and
it
we
studied
this
as
part
of
the
low
battery
project
that
when
you
elevate
the
sidewalk,
you
have
to
do
something
to
the
back
side
to
make
up
for
that
transition
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
parked
car
or
the
traveling
car.
H
If
you
notice
on
the
high
battery
there's
a
great
deal
of
landscaping
on
that
back
side,
and
you
don't
really
notice
when
you're
on
the
battery,
how
high
you
are
up,
maybe
you
do
but
less
so
because,
there's
that
substantial
landscaping
there,
I
think
the
high
battery
on
the
backside
could
be
improved.
I
think
we
could
do
a
better
job
with
that
landscaping.
I
think
we
could
do
a
better
job
with
the
intersections,
for
example,
at
south
battery
having
a
complete
intersection
much
in
the
same
way
that
we're
doing
at
the
low
battery.
H
E
I
mean
it's
dividing
it
from
the
left-hand
side,
the
right-hand
side
of
the
wall
that
doesn't
look
like
an
elevated,
beautiful
sidewalk
to
me
at
all,
it
looks
like
and
the
other
design
you
had
a
seven
to
nine
foot
wall.
It
draws
people
and
they're
they're,
walking
down
that
part
of
lockwood
boulevard.
Looking
at
a
wall,
not
looking
at
the
ashley
river.
H
H
How
can
we
have
folks
who
are
in
that
space
that
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
the
water
unless
you
raise
the
entire
right-of-way
like
we're
proposing
to
do
eventually
on
upper
lockwood,
for
example,
our
riverbank
park
cross
section
calls
for
a
complete
reconfiguration
of
lockwood
north
of
spring
street.
We
have
120
feet
of
right-of-way.
We
have
two
travel
lanes,
no
curbs,
no
bike
lanes
other
than
the
multi-use
path
and
broadband
parks
tons
of
opportunity.
There
we've
also
got
low
country
rapid
transit
that
actually
is
going
to
need
to
use
that
facility.
H
If
we
can
reimagine
that
street
as
a
an
elevated
street
like
they're,
elevating
the
streets
in
west
edge
and
b,
a
complete
street
that
has
more
modes
attached
to
it
and
can
accommodate
street
trees
and
all
kinds
of
other
things
that
then
looks
down
into
the
park,
because
it's
all
of
a
sudden
on
a
berm,
then
you're
looking
down
into
the
water
you're
looking
down
into
green.
But
if
it
stays
the
elevation
that
it
is,
and
we
can
still
do
all
of
those
reconfigurations.
H
By
the
way
it
stays
the
elevation
that
it
is
you're
going
to
be
looking
at
a
a
a
concrete
wall
or
b
a
bur.
And
what
can
we
do
to
that
berm
to
make
it
more
than
just
a
hill
of
green?
We
can
add
stairs
and
ramps
and
trees
and
bushes,
wherever
we
can.
Of
course,
those
army
corps
stipulations
about
where
trees
can
be
located,
where
to
be
very
strategic
about
that
in
the
pet
face.
H
And
I'm
saying
all
this
because
that
section
that
I'm
describing
at
brittlebank
park,
which
is
in
the
report,
is
completely
different
than
lower
lockwood.
It's
going
to
be
completely
different
than
concord
street
and
it's
going
to
be
completely
different
than
upper
morrison
and
that's
why
we
break
down
into
these
segments,
because
you
can't
just
take
one
thing
and
replicate
it
all
the
way
around
and
call
it
a
day,
you're
going
to
have
to
really
look
at
a
nuanced
approach
and
again
that's
why
you
know
we
need
to
get
into
peds.
H
So
we
have
more
resources
to
be
able
to
do
that.
I
hope
I'm
answering
your
question.
I
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
you
know
the
battery
itself
lower
lockwood
that
you
just
brought
up,
I
think
we
could
do
more
there
rather
than
just
kind
of
put
a
planter
there.
We're
gonna
have
to
think
about
a
sidewalk
on
lockwood
and
think
about
elevating
a
little
bit.
We
really
need
to
play
with
that
section
to
make
sure
it's
exactly
what
we
need
it
to
be.
A
Where
mr
davis,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
your
work,
I
mean
that
that
is
some
beautiful
work.
You've
done
and
we
on
the
committee
has
seen
it
and
now
some
of
our
colleagues
have
seen
it.
But
can
you
expand
a
little
bit
better
for
my
colleague,
councilman
shaheed,
when
you
said
the
sidewalks
along
lockwood
sidewalks
along
brittlebank
park,
gonna
be
different.
Can
you
expand
a
little
bit
more
on
what
that
means.
H
If
we
do
the
perimeter
protection
system,
you
will
no
longer
be
able
to
see
that
from
where
you're
standing.
That
is
a
that
is
a
mandate
for
better
design,
and
that
means
that
we
not
only
need
to
play
with
the
vertical
relationships
elevating
the
street
to
meet
the
path.
For
example,
we
have
to
play
with
the
horizontal
relationships.
H
How
do
you
actually
go
from
the
street
to
the
sidewalk,
to
the
to
the
elevated
planter
to
then
be
on
the
wall
and
when
you're
on
the
wall?
Is
it
a
concrete
wall,
or
is
it
a
wall
of
a
railing
and
stanchion
system,
so
at
least
once
you're
on
it?
Then
you
can
experience
the
water,
but
if
you're
in
the
city
you're
looking
at
something
that's
beautiful
instead
of
a
plain
concrete
wall,
and
that's
just
describing
the
work
that
we
have
to
do.
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
I.
A
B
You
so
I
got
a
question
for
wes
and
nancy.
Maybe
I
know
you
haven't
been
involved
in
all
the
preliminary
studies
of
this
con
across
the
country,
but
I
can't
help,
but
imagine
between
our
citizen
engagement
and
our
civic
design
center,
that
you've
had
this
level
of
of
scrutiny
in
a
way
and
partnership
in
a
way
at
the
preliminary
study
level.
Is
that
a
fair
question.
D
I'd
say
so,
and
I
think
it's
more
of
a
partnership
thing
than
anything
alan
and
his
team
has
done
an
awesome
job.
They
attend
almost
all
of
our
weekly
meetings,
so
they
understand
our
process
and
he's
got
a
great
head
start
on
the
pet
phase
and
I'll
say
that
right
now
I
mean
he's,
got
a
he's,
got
his
hand
and
head
and
running
through
pet
phase
right
now
and
we
the
core.
We
are
trying
to
finish
feasibility,
so
we
can
catch
up
to
allen
and
his
team.
B
H
H
I
would
love
if
we
had
one.
I
really
do.
We
actually
don't
do
a
lot
of
physical
model
building
these
days
a
lot
of
its
digital
work
and
and
even
we
don't
even
have
a
digital
model.
The
peninsula
geography
is
so
large,
and
it's
it's
really
sometimes.
No,
we
don't
have
a
model,
I'm
sorry,
but
we
could
have
various
displays
in
our
gallery.
We've
done
that
for
the
low
battery
we
had
when
we
were
doing
a
low
battery.
B
I
Thank
you
mayor.
It's
rare.
I
have
to
adjust
the
microphone
down,
I'm
going
to
try
to
give
you
the
shortest
stormwater
presentation.
You've,
probably
heard
in
some
time,
you're
used
to
hearing
me,
give
detailed
presentations
on
the
status
of
our
capital
projects.
This
this
presentation
is
more
backing
up
this
step
or
zooming
out
a
little
bit
as
it
were,
and
looking
at
the
stormwater
program
and
kind
of
how
the
work
we
do
fits
into
addressing
flooding
across
the
city.
I
So
the
first
item
is
tidal
and
surge.
This
is
typically
what
we're
looking
at
at
the
city
level
is
addressing
very
high
return
frequency
events
right
things
where
it
floods
on
a
daily
basis
around
a
seasonal
basis,
the
king,
tides,
the
extreme
extreme,
tidal
events
we
have
in
the
spring
and
fall
and
then,
if
we
get
kind
of
an
indirect
impact
from
a
tropical
storm,
not
so
much
a
direct
hit.
I
These
are
our
check
valve
programs,
our
berms
and
barriers.
Things
like
work
like
the
low
battery
the
morris
and
berm,
and
then
minimum
road
elevations.
We
have
as
regulatory
requirements.
So
this
is
probably
one
of
the
categories
that
the
v
and
I'm
not
going
to
speak
on
behalf
of
west,
but
that
the
army,
3x3
work
would
fall
into
is
looking
at
kind
of
an
enhancement
of
that
from
a
beyond
a
a
daily
occurrence
of
flooding
into
a
more
unusual
event.
I
Where
you
see
a
major
surge
like
he
was
discussing
in
the
in
his
report.
So
the
approach
of
that
layer
is
looking
at.
How
do
we
keep
ocean
water
out
of
our
drainage
system
right?
So
that's
sunny
day
flooding,
it
happens
with
no
rain
and
then
talking
about
multipliers
and
rain
day
flooding
when
we
have
both
precipitation
and
high
tides
trying
to
prevent
that
high
tide
impact
from
worsening
the
flooding
that
we
would
see
from
that
rainfall.
I
I
I
It's
trying
to
make
sure
that
new
things
that
are
being
built
in
the
city
and
redevelopment
that's
occurring
in
the
city
are
both
themselves
resilient
to
either
that
storm
surge
or
rainfall
based
flooding,
but
also
that
they
are
improving
flood
conditions
in
the
australian
area
around
those
developments
and
redevelopments,
rather
than
the
history
of
development
and
redevelopment,
which
is
where
each
item
solely
worsens,
conditions
and
cities
have
to
come
back
in
and
build
infrastructure
to
try
to
undo
that
worsening
similar
to
traffic.
We
talk
about
comparisons
with
traffic
all
the
time.
I
I
There
is
a
component
of
the
three
by
three
work
that
fits
in
here
too,
at
the
bump
stations,
where
there
is
some
potential
to
leverage
the
pump
stations
that
they
implement
to
help
move
storm
water
more
effectively
out
of
low-lying
areas,
but
just
I'm
going
to
very
briefly
run
through
these
check
valves.
You're,
probably
familiar
with
majority
of
them,
are
on
the
peninsula.
We
do
have
some
in
other
low-lying
areas.
These
basically
prevent
water
from
coming
up
through
the
pipe
system
into
the
streets.
I
The
reason
they're
located
where
they're
located
is
visible
on
this
map.
You
can
see
the
color
coding.
This
is
in
what
we
call
an
eight
foot
tide
right,
it's
a
just
above
a
king
tide.
So
we
see
these
on
a
seasonal
basis.
A
few
times
a
year,
at
least
anywhere
with
color
coding,
is
where
the
street
would
be
inundated
with
water.
If
there
weren't
check
valves
in
place
so
you'd
have
actual
flooding
in
the
street.
I
System
rehab
work
again,
you
can
see
on
the
right
some
pictures
of
open
drainage
ditches
where
we're
storing
them.
The
green
on
the
left
on
the
map
is
showing
neighborhoods
and
streets
that
we've
gone
through
and
done.
Rehabilitation
work
we're
roughly
60
of
the
way
through
the
city,
so
projecting
to
complete
that
in
the
next
two
to
three
years,
we're
also
working
through
the
older
neighborhood
pipe
systems.
That's
where
we
generally
see
the
most
clogging
of
pipe
networks
again,
the
purple
pinkish
color
is
where
we've
done
that
work.
I
I
This
is
brick
arch
systems,
but
also
some
of
the
older
storm
water
pipe
systems.
The
brick
arches
are
the
the
biggest
kind
of
bang
for
your
buck
systems,
but
there
are
other
box
culverts
and
work
that
we've
done.
The
brick
arches
again
is
trying
to
take
an
old
sewage
system
from
the
city
and
upfit
it
into
being
a
storm
water
drainage
system
as
well,
because
it's
really
hard
to
find
massive
underground
infrastructure.
I
I
The
kind
of
greenish
color
is,
is
a
quality-based
requirement,
a
little
bit
differently.
We're
talking
about
here,
the
others
are
all
flooding
based
requirements.
These
are
not
all
areas
that
experience
flooding,
they're
all
areas
where
the
rain
that
lands
on
these
areas
contributes
to
an
area
of
known
flooding.
So
like
king
eugene
is
an
example.
We
use
a
lot.
The
king,
ug
intersection,
the
intersection
floods
terribly.
The
area
that
contributes
to
intersection
flooding
is
almost
100
acres
of
the
peninsula,
all
draining
down
to
that
intersection,
which
is
why
it
floods
so
badly.
I
I
I
Lastly,
the
improvement
projects,
so
this
is
just
a
quick
spot
map
and
we're
actually
working
to
clean
this
up
and
make
it
a
a
polygon
based
map
where
you
can
see
the
impact
areas
of
these
improvement
projects,
rather
than
just
the
location
of
the
improvement
projects.
But
this
shows
you
kind
of
the
distribution
of
where
existing
funded
capital
projects
are
or
recently
completed
projects.
I
C
I
A
I
A
I
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
appreciate
it
any
other
questions
I
I
would
ask
matt
to
maybe
take
what
a
minute
or
two
and
talk
about
how
your
knowledge
vision
of
our
drainage
improvements
on
the
peninsula,
particularly
since
we're
talking
about
the
perimeter
protection
of
the
peninsula,
how
that
potentially
can
tie
in
together,
and
particularly
with
with
the
addition
of
the
pump
systems
that
should
have
been
recommended
by
the
core
if.
I
I
I
I
Probably
all
remember
hurricane
irma
and
matthew
with
water
coming
literally
over
the
top
of
the
low
battery
and
into
downtown.
So
the
check
valves
don't
work
right
when
you
get
overland
flow
coming
through.
That's
one
of
that's
one
of
the
challenges
we
have
so
there's,
there's
an
immediate
potential
benefit
on
the
scale
of
capital
project,
work
that
you
provide
protection,
increased
protection
similar
to
what
we
did
on
morrison
with
the
berm,
but
at
a
higher
level
for
these
increasing
extreme
tides
over
the
next
50
years.
I
The
secondary
part.
Thank
you
for
the
map
on
the
on
this
map,
showing
kind
of
where
we
see
low-lying
streets.
So
these
are
areas
where,
when
the
tides
come
up,
eventually,
you
can't
drain
the
water
out.
If
it's
raining
as
you
get
these
higher
tides,
that's
one
of
the
challenges
we
already
have
in
certain
low-lying
areas
that
starts
to
expand
and
expand
and
expand
on
where
that
happens.
I
So
it's
a
it's
basically
a
way
to
say
well,
someone
else
is
already
building
a
couple
hundred
million
dollars
of
project
work.
We
might
be
able
to
add
in
10
or
20
million
dollars
of
project
work
to
basically
have
a
couple
hundred
million
dollars
of
project
improvement.
That
is
not
necessarily
the
original
intent
of
the
core
work,
but
provides
a
great
secondary
benefit
to
the
city.
So
that's
one
of
the
concerns
the
other
one
is
is
again,
as
I
talked
about
with
the
sea
level
rise.
I
Eventually,
you
start
to
get
into
surge
surge
events
and
tropical
events
where
we
get
these
hurricane
brushes
that
currently
we
can
handle.
But
at
some
point
you
start
to
not
be
able
to
handle
them
with
realistic
amounts
of
stormwater
level
infrastructure,
so
either
we're
building
the
walls
or
somebody
else
is
building
the
walls
at
that
point,
and
there
is
a
question
how
high
those
walls
are.
That's
a
different
discussion,
but
some
level
of
additional
protection
would
be
needed
all
right.
B
C
C
What
is
feasibility
versus
pet
because
there's
a
tremendous
misunderstanding
of
those
two
things:
some
finance
issues?
How
would
we
pay
for
this
in
the
near
term
and
the
strategy
over
the
long
term,
just
some
other
sort
of
information
history
and
what
is
negotiation,
what
is
paid
and
then
some
co-benefits
of
this
process,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
move
quickly
through
this
you've
all
been
sitting
for
quite
some
time.
C
The
key
finding
is,
as
you
all
know,
the
top
hazard
to
the
city
is
flood
risk
inundation
risk,
but
of
all
those
inundation
risks,
the
the
top
top
of
those
is
surge
and
the
reason
for
that
is
surge
events
don't
occur
very
often,
but
when
they
do
they're
deadly
and
they
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
repair
from
and
it
takes
a
long
time.
So
this
is
why
surge
risk
is
rated
the
highest
risk
to
the
city.
Why
is
that
risk?
The
bottom
of
the
slide
shows
here.
This
is
an
old
place.
C
C
So
could
the
city
survive?
Could
it
recover
from
a
from
a
storm
surge
threat?
Yeah
it
would
take
a
long
time,
but
it
would
be
a
different
city
and
it's
a
question
we
have
do.
We
want
a
different
city,
so
99
of
the
residences
on
the
peninsula,
98
of
the
businesses
100
of
the
critical
roads
on
the
peninsula,
a
lot
of
the
critical
facilities
we
talked
about
police
fire
wes
talked
about
that
this,
the
the
medical
district,
the
ports,
the
colleges,
the
universities,
the
schools,
all
those
things
would
be
impacted.
C
Also
impacted
is
the
tourism
economy,
which
provides
a
lot
of
benefit
to
the
city
in
terms
of
revenue.
People
come
here
because
they
love
it
and
the
city
benefits
from
it.
Those
jobs,
47
000
of
them,
will
be
lost
for
some
time
damage
for
some
time.
Eight
billion
dollars
of
economic
turnover.
So
it's
important
to
say
that
in
new
orleans
it
took
a
decade
before
tourism,
pre-katrina
levels
returned
to
after
after
katrina.
So
a
decade
are
we
willing
to
forego
that
the
medical
district?
We
know
this.
This
is
such
a
an
important
peninsula
asset.
C
It's
a
low
country
assets.
It's
a
southeast
region,
asset
75
veterans,
uses,
I
think,
two
billion
dollars
of
economic
turnover
and
what
a
one
out
of
12
jobs
on
the
peninsula.
So
you
know
you
don't
want
to
lose
that
either
and
then
the
asset
value
on
the
peninsula.
This
is
from
the
core
study.
You
know
it's
18.2
billion
dollars
right
now.
That's
what
we're
talking
about
is
at
risk
from
storm
surge.
C
Could
we
spend
some
money
to
reduce
it
and
then
think
about
all
of
the
granular
families
and
the
schools
and
the
dislocations
and
we
have
to
move
and
how
to
recover
and
we
lost
photos
and
we
lost
our.
We
lost
our
our
antiques
and
all
those
things.
These
are
things
that
are
intangible
they're
not
covered
in
the
core
thing,
but
that's
what
you're
going
to
lose
if
you
get
a
surge
event,
so
just
you
know,
where's
the
asset
value
here.
Here's
it's
just
simple
map,
the
simple
graph.
C
You
know
the
assets
are
spread
through
the
five
model
areas
of
the
peninsula.
The
core
did
you
have
you
know
you
have
value
and
you
have
the
numbers,
so
it's
spread
across
the
peninsula.
It's
not
like.
We
can
protect
just
one
part.
This
is
a
coherent
water
system
on
the
peninsula.
We
talked
about
it
in
dutch
dialogues.
C
Do
we
turn
this
into
a
porter
again
in
dutch
dialogues?
We
were
very
clear:
we
recommended
a
perimeter
protection
system
and
the
eventual
trans
transformation
of
the
peninsula
into
a
polder.
But
again
we
said
and
as
alan
has
tried
to
show
you
how
this
needs
to
be
integrated
into
multi-benefit,
it's
very
clear
what
we
recommended
and
we're
we're
delighted
that
you
know,
I
think
the
dutch
style
arts
team
is
delighted
that
the
city
is
moving
in
this
direction
from
feasibility
to
pet.
I
don't
want
to
cover
this
wes.
C
C
So
we
can't
put
the
cart
before
the
horse
and
say
we
know
exactly
what
it
is
we're
going
to
buy,
because
we
don't
know
that
yet
because
we
haven't
designed
and
engineered
it.
So
we
need
to
get
through
that
thoughtful
process
of
understanding
what's
feasible,
and
is
there
a
federal
interest
to
help
pay
for
this,
and
if
that's
the
case,
can
we
do?
C
We
think
we
can
construct
it
in
a
high
level
and
then,
if
so,
let's
try
to
design
and
engineer
it
and
that's
the
question:
that's
before
you
should
we
move
into
this
next
phase?
What
is
feasibility
where
this
this
letter
type
is
small
for
my
eyes,
you
know
really
you're.
Looking
at
a
number
of
you
know
what
are
the
alternatives?
What
is
the
risk?
C
What
are
the
alternatives
to
mitigate
those
risks,
but
benefits
co-benefits
and
negatives
come
from
those
alternatives,
and
then
you
run
sort
of
an
impact
analysis
on
this
a
surge
analysis,
a
real
estate
analysis,
number
of
different
things
that
happen
here.
You
have
to
do
an
over-topping
analysis,
because
the
wall
doesn't
go
forever
into
the
sky.
It
stops
at
12
feet,
navd
88
at
some
point,
a
13
foot,
surge
or
14
foot
surge
could
come
starting
with
with
higher
sea
levels.
So
what
does
that
mean
that
water
that
gets
over
the
wall?
C
What
do
you
do
with
it?
Well,
you
got
to
move
it
away.
This
is
why
there
are
pumps
in
in
the
core
system
and
what
about
interior
hydrology?
If
it's
raining,
when
the
hurricane
comes
along
you're
going
to
impound
water,
you
create
that
bathtub
the
core
process.
It
has
to
mitigate
all
of
that
water.
That
comes
comes
from
the
sky,
that's
being
impounded
by
the
wall.
So
can
that
be
done?
This
is
all
part
of
the
feasibility
study
how
it's
done
and
where
it's
done,
that's
that's
in
in
the
pet
phase.
C
So
these
are
the
kind
of
things
you
do
and
then
you
talk
about
constructability.
Can
we
get
the
real
estate?
Where
is
it
in
this
instance?
It's
on
most
of
it's
on
98
of
it,
depending
on
our
realignment,
we're
talking
about
on
the
union
per
terminal
in
columbus
right
now.
98
of
it
is
on
public
space,
so
it
makes
it
easier
to
build
because
you
don't
have
to
take
land
and
then
the
benefit
cost
analysis
I'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
later,
just
trying
to
not
bore
you
for
you
too
much.
C
So
you
know
the
city
it's
available
to
you.
I
think
you're,
aware
of
this,
but
the
city
had
some
concerns
to
the
army
corps
of
engineers
and
expressed
them
very
clearly
in
the
report.
It's
found
in
the
in
the
current
draft
optimized
work.
What
are
we
worried
about?
What
are
we
concerned
about?
So
we're
thankful?
The
army
corps
agreed
to
do
the
eis
that
was
pressure
from
constituents
and
pressure
from
council.
C
So
the
court
did
it
we're
thankful
for
that,
and
there
are
some
natural
nature-based
features
in
that
have
been
added
and
we
think
that's
wonderful.
There
are
more.
That
could
be
added.
We
think,
but
let
me
say
this
natural
and
nature-based
features
when
we're
thinking
of
a
marsh
or
something
of
that
level.
They
don't
they
don't
deal
with
surge
because
surge
comes
in
at
eight
or
ten
feet.
It's
a
wall
of
water
and
it
hangs
around
and
it
literally
drowns
the
living
shorelines.
C
They
do
nothing
for
surge
risk
mitigation,
their
wonderful
storm,
water
management,
their
wonderful,
tidal
adaptation,
their
wonderful
salt,
marsh
growth.
They
do
a
lot
of
wonderful
things,
but
they
don't
do
well
with
surge.
The
only
way
they
do
well
with
surge-
and
this
is
what
you're
seeing
in
louisiana
to
restore
the
coast-
is,
if
you
have
one
mile
of
salt
marsh,
that
the
surge
is
going
to
go
across.
C
There
are
a
whole
lot
of
gates
here
in
this
design,
or
this
feasibility
study
we're
worried
about
that,
because
each
one
of
those
gates
is
a
risk
of
failure.
Right.
You
have
a
system,
you
have
to
close
it.
If
one
gate
doesn't
get
closed
on
time,
you
have
a
risk.
So
the
idea
is,
let's
operationalize,
this
make
it
make
it
more
optimal
in
the
number
of
dates
and
then
the
location
negates
and,
as
alan
said,
what
are
the
gates
look
like
and
how
do
we
navigate
them
port
property?
Again,
the
port
was
very
clear.
C
They
were
unhappy
with
the
draft
optimized
alignment.
They
said
so
the
core
and
the
core
of
engineers
and
the
port
are
now
talking
productively.
We
hear
and
the
port
said
last
week,
as
you
know,
to
the
advisory
committee
and
the
council,
as
haygood
pointed
out
they're
working
collaboratively,
and
they
think
this
is
going
to
be
resolved,
probably
in
the
next
two
or
three
months,
so
that
so
that
is
a
tremendous
benefit.
Again
historical,
cultural
preservation.
We've
got,
we
got
to
do
this
right.
We've
got
to
mitigate
those
impacts.
C
They
don't
do
storm
water
and
they
don't
do
tidal.
They
sometimes
do
riverine,
and
I
can
talk
about
that
if
you
need
me
to,
but
they
deal
with
third
risk.
So
let's
take
their
expertise
to
help
mitigate
the
surge
risk
and
then
layer
in
the
other
risks,
and
you
come
then
to
what
councilman
oring
said
as
an
integrated,
comprehensive
water
plan
and
components
of
that
water
plan
are
already
there,
because
some
of
the
work
has
been
done
already.
C
So
this
is
just
a
slide
and
I'm
sorry
for
a
small
type,
but
this
is
simply
to
say
the
federal
government
does
not
do
storm
water,
tidewater,
groundwater
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
you
have
to
place
your
storm
water
in
a
certain
stormwater
management
system
and
your
pumps
and
whatever
in
a
certain
place,
and
do
we
want
senators
from
maine
or
senators
from
oregon
or
congressman
from
colorado,
telling
the
city
of
charleston
what
it
needs
to
do
with
its
zoning
and
land
use
planning.
I
don't
think
anyone
here
would
like
that.
C
The
federal
government
doesn't
want
to
do
with
that.
The
10th
of
the
10th
amendment
prohibits
it.
So
that's
why
the
federal
government
doesn't
do
that,
the
only
time
it
does.
It
is
post-disaster,
so
they'll
come
in
post
disaster
and
say
oops.
You
need
some
help
from
us.
We're
going
to
help
you
with
this
and
we're
going
to
give
you
some
money.
Do
we
want
to
wait
for
that
disaster
to
try
to
do
this
right?
C
So
again,
that's
the
question
we
have,
but
I
just
put
this
slide
in
here
and
you
can
look
at
it
and
can
we
pay
for
this?
That's
a
question.
That's
been
been
nagging
out
there
since
I've
come
to
the
city
and
it's
it's
a
bit
of
a
cart
horse
question.
The
more
important
question
right
now
at
this
moment
is:
can
we
design
and
engineer
a
structure
that
we
want
to
buy
because
that's
what
we're
about?
C
Can
we
do
this
so
that
we
get
a
structure
that
works
for
the
city?
That
does
some
of
the
things
that
alan
showed?
That
does
some
of
the
things
that
the
army
of
core
engineers
is
promising
and
put
it
together
and
then
we
want
to
pay
for
it
and
then
we
pay
for
it
over
time.
So
the
cost
is
1.1
billion.
You
know
65
35,
so
that's
nice.
The
feds
are
willing
to
pay.
Some
next
phase
is
paid.
C
We
have
to
do
self-certification
and
again,
there's
there's
a
land
acquisition,
land
acquisition
bucket
in
here
130
million
140
million.
That's
a
credit
to
the
city,
so
the
cost
drops
from
385
to
250
to
240.
There's
a
you
know,
there's
a
finance
plan
that
we're
going
to
show
you
a
little
bit
and
there's
a
construction
strategy.
I'm
going
to
show
you
a
little
bit
and
I
want
to
say
this
very
carefully:
the
funds
that
matt
uses
in
stormwater
those
are
segregated
from
the
rest
of
the
budget.
Those
are
protected.
C
You
guys
have
already
protected
them,
so
it
is
not
as
if
the
sergio
is
going
to
take
money
from
the
essential
stormwater
management
and
title
work.
That
matt
is
doing.
His
money
is
protected.
This
will
come
it's
going
to
have
to
come
from
other
sources,
keep
that
in
mind
and
there
are
as
we
we
mentioned.
Matt
just
mentioned.
The
third
structure
could
have
some
co-benefits
for
stormwater
management
and
I
promise
you.
C
This
is
exactly
what
I'll
be
working
for
when
the
army
corps
of
engineers
says
we're
going
to
build
a
pump
near
lockwood
and
broad
I'm
going
to
work
to
make
sure
that
they're
going
to
pay
for
65
of
it
and
that's
fine
and
we're
going
to
properly
size
it
up
a
little
bit,
and
if
the
city
has
to
pay
a
little
bit
more
to
get
that
marginal
benefit
increase.
I
think
that's
a
wise
choice.
I
think
that's
a
wise
thing.
We
need
to
do
so.
Leave
it.
There.
C
Engagement
we've
been
engaged
with
a
lot
of
different
things,
trying
to
explain
this,
this
project
to
the
city,
to
constituents,
to
city
the
citizens,
but
also
to
a
number
of
stakeholders,
again
we're
very
busy
we're
trying
to
do
this.
I
want
to
let
you
know:
we've
talked
with
the
county.
We've
talked
with
state
we're
talking
with
the
state
again.
Tomorrow,
we've
talked
with
the
congressional
reps
they're,
aware
of
it
and
they're
sort
of
enthusiastic
about
this,
because
this
shows
you,
you
know
an
important
important
step
forward
for
the
city
with
its
risk
management.
C
C
It's
a
negotiation
between
the
city
needs
for
the
city
and
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
city
needs
and
what
the
feds
are
willing
to
provide
decision-making
process
for
when
two
people
cannot
achieve
the
goals
on
their
loan.
So
the
city's,
an
equal
partner
in
this
feds
are
paying
more
but
the
city's
an
equal
partner
in
this.
So
how
do
we
do
this?
How
do
we
get
agreement
on
this?
You
can
see
on
here.
You
know
I
went
to
harvard
negotiation
school.
C
C
We
need
to
develop
a
common
fact
base,
so
the
negotiations
are
grounded
in
goals,
facts
and
data
and
trends.
That's
what
we're
talking
about
in
ped.
We
need
to
get
this
data,
so
we
know
we're
talking
about
so
we
can
have
an
idea
where
the
exact
alignment
is
and
how
deep
the
foundations
are
going
to
go
and
how
high
the
wall
is
going
to
be
relative
to
ground
and
what
it's
going
to
look
like
and
how
we
navigate
it.
That
is
what
we
do
in
ped.
It's
a
negotiation,
we're
up
for
the
negotiation.
C
I
think
how
so
I'm
sorry
this
this
slide
is
way
too
small.
This
is
a
strategy
of
finance
strategy.
We
worked
the
amy
worked
in
the
cfo,
and
I
worked
with
some
other
folks
in
the
city
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
pay
for
this.
How
do
we
pay
for
ped
and
how
do
you
pay
for
construction?
We
have
a
number
of
ideas
in
mind.
The
first
thing
here
is
most
of
this.
C
A
lot
of
the
structure,
not
not
all
of
it,
but
a
lot
of
the
structure
in
it
are-
will
be
in
areas
that
are
tourist
designated
areas,
so
the
tourism
fees
can
be
used
for
this
and
there
is
a
projected
and
growing
surplus
of
those
fees
over
the
next
decade.
As
you
know,
so
we
propose
to
use
a
portion
of
that
to
fund
ped
and
to
fund
construction.
C
That
will
be
needed
in
construction,
but
we
think
we
can
get
this
through
in
ped
and
this
phase
here
this
this
slide
here
is
just
to
show
you
what
phases
of
ped
phase
one
phase,
two
phase
three
and
phase
four
phase:
one
is
the
sort
of
the
joe
riley's,
the
citadel
south
side,
all
the
way
to
coast
guard
station
phase.
Two:
are
the
batteries
phase?
Three
is
yacht
club
up
to
the
top
of
morrison
under
the
raveno
bridge
and
phase?
Four?
Is
wagner
terrace?
C
This
shows
you
what
portion,
what
proportion
of
that
phase
is
related
to
tourist
activity,
and
so
we
multiplied
that
proportion
by
the
number
the
amount
of
dollars
from
tourism
surplus
will
be
available,
and
so
here
you
see
we
have
a
17
million
dollar
cost
of
ped.
That's
the
total
estimated
cost
of
pet
for
the
city,
so
it's
50
million
total
combined
17
for
the
city,
and
we
have
some
numbers
here
that
we
think
it's
quite
easy.
C
It's
not
painless,
but
it's
quite
easy
to
manage
the
payment
for
this
again:
accommodations
tax
tourism
tax,
a
millage
contribution,
and
we
do
think
there
is
a
an
opportunity
or
a
desire
to
ask
the
state
or
the
port.
If
we're
going
to
realign
the
structure
onto
their
property,
the
rest
of
it
is
on
public
property.
It's
going
to
be
on
private
property,
we're
helping
to
protect
that
actually
them
for
a
small
contribution
to
pay
for
the
for
the
pet
phase
protecting
their
property.
So
we
think
this
can
be
done.
C
This
is
this.
These
are
good
numbers.
Amy
has
seen
these
and
approved
these.
So
be
aware,
this
isn't
painless,
but
it
is
possible
and
for
construction
here
we
have,
you
know,
use
of
the
some
of
the
surplus
use
of
the
one
point
of
the
millage,
getting
a
contribution
from
the
state
getting
a
contribution
from
the
county,
and
I
want
to
say
these
numbers
could
be
scary,
but
we're
talking
about
a
total
contribution
of
75
million
from
the
state.
Perhaps
that
has
spread
over
seven
or
eight
years.
C
C
There
are
a
number
of
options
here
and
we
didn't
explore
these.
Yet
the
mayor
is
talking
to
folks
about
you
know:
what
would
these
numbers
numbers?
What
would
these
opportunities
give
you,
and
so
you
have
you
know:
do
we
do
a
mid
a
peninsula
peninsula
wide
mid
to
cover
the
cost
of
this?
What
would
that
yield?
We're
asking
those
questions
now?
C
Do
we
do
a
resilience
bond?
This
is
something
that
really
interests
me.
This
is
where
the
private
sector
and
insurance
companies
are
going
to
come
in
and
finance
a
bond
and
the
risk
reduction
benefits
from
investing
in
investing
in
infrastructure
to
reduce
that
risk
will
come
back
as
a
rebate
to
the
city,
and
the
city
then
uses
that
to
build
the
wall
to
build
the
structure.
So
this
is
a
new
thing.
There's
a
they're
oversubscribed,
but
250
billion
dollars
of
resilient
spawns
floated
around
the
world.
C
The
largest
single
one
is
in
europe
at
700
million
dollars,
and
it
was
oversubscribed.
So
this
is
a
new
tool,
but
the
insurance
companies
like
it,
because
you're
they're
we're
helping
them,
buy
down
their
risk
and
they
carry
the
risk
for
a
surge
event.
So
keep
that
in
mind
again,
we
could
ponder
a
half
cent
sales
tax.
C
We
can
ponder
a
number
of
different
things
and
we
want
to,
but
those
things
would
cover
this
100
million
dollar
shortfall
over
term,
and
I
think
we
need
to
start
in
the
pet
and
get
a
structure
designed
and
engineered
to
see
if
we
want
to
buy
it
and
so
that
we
can
halfway
through
ped.
We
need
to
have
a
strategy
done
so
that,
yes,
when
we
decide,
if
we
decide,
is
what
we
want
to
buy,
we
go
forward.
C
I
just
want
to
wrap
up
here
for
some
high
level
things:
hurricane
laura
lake,
charles
last
year,
19
billion
dollars
worth
of
impacts,
19
billion
dollars
in
lake
charles,
it's
a
small
little
town,
half
of
the
properties.
There
still
have
blue
roofs
on
them.
One
year
later,
hurricane
sandy
no
hurricane
sally.
Last
year,
eastern
mobile
had
a
rural
landfall.
Not
many
people
run
seven
billion
dollars,
but
my
eyesight's
working
seven
billion
dollars
of
damage
super
storm
sandy
65
billion
dollars
worth
of
damage
and
keep
in
mind
new
york
is
not
flat.
C
New
york
has
very
quick
elevation
rise
off
the
water
and
they
still
had
65
billion
dollars
worth
of
damage.
It
is
estimated
that
if
hugo
made
landfall
in
charleston
right
now,
the
damage
would
be
20
billion
dollars-
hurricane
florence
meandered
off
the
coast
here
for
a
long
time
it
didn't
strike
charleston,
but
it
caused
75
million
dollars
worth
of
losses
for
the
tourism
industry.
So
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
this
and
this
slide
on
the
left.
The
picture
on
the
left
that
is
from
hurricane
ida
two
months
ago,
that
is
in
a
place.
C
Two
days
after
ida
had
passed
so
surge
comes
in
it's
a
big
wall
of
water
and
it
takes
two
three
four
five,
six
seven
times
seven
title
cycles
to
get
out,
so
this
water
would
stay
around
for
a
while
and
it
sloshes
around
houses
harms
cars,
salt,
water
and
cars.
They
don't
go
all
together.
This
is
what
we're
talking
about
we're
trying
to
prevent
here's,
the
trend
of
you,
know,
storms
and
tropical
cyclones.
It's
a
clear
trend.
Charleston's
been
lucky.
C
Are
we
willing
to
bet
that
the
next
50
or
60
years
charleston
will
not
be
hit
because
one
event
will
far
exceed
the
cost
of
the
structure?
So
do
we
want
to
bet
against
this
trend
and
I'm
going
to
wrap
up
here
with
two
small
things?
Last
friday,
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
in
a
separate
study,
completely
separate
from
the
surge
of
the
charleston
surge
structure
study
they
released
the
south
atlantic
comprehensive
co-study.
C
This
is
the
follow-on
for
the
north
atlantic,
comprehensive
co-study
that
was
teed
up
after
hurricane
sandy
and
they
looked
at.
They
spent
15
million
dollars
with
65
000
miles
of
shoreline
from
the
north
carolina
virginia
border
to
the
louisiana.
Mississippi
border
looked
at
this
and
they
looked
at
these
things.
You
know:
what's
our
coastal
risk
as
an
aggregate,
you
know
how
do
we
resilient?
How
do
we
respond
to
that?
What
are
our
priorities?
What
can
we
do
about
this
risk?
C
C
They
looked
at
both
you
know
physical
and
prop
and
population
risk,
as
well
as
social
vulnerability.
So
it's
pretty
comprehensive
study.
I
encourage
you
to
read
it:
it's
only
about
a
thousand
pages
long
and
they
the
conclusion
here,
two
things.
So
the
state
with
the
highest
amount
of
risk
in
this
region
is
florida.
Why
well
they
have
the
most
population
and
they
have
the
they
have
the
longest
shoreline.
But
you
can
see
what
they're
projecting
here,
it's
20
20
billion
dollars
worth
of
worth
of
risk.
C
It's
just
it's
it's
substantial,
but
the
number
two
state,
the
number
two
state
is
south
carolina
with
a
substantial
amount
of
risk,
and
what
did
they
recommend?
What
is
the
number
one
thing
they
recommended
to
bite
on
this
risk?
It
is
the
charleston
storm
surge
system
because
it
has
the
highest
bcr
of
any
project
of
its
kind
in
the
region.
So
the
army
corps
is
suggesting
in
two
different
ways:
let's
invest
in
this.
C
Let's
move
forward
to
pet
to
see
if
we
can
build
it,
and
you
know
we
agree
with
it
and
one
final
thing:
look,
there's
going
to
be
a
billion
dollars,
perhaps
spent
here.
If
we
remove
order
this
they're,
you
know
that,
isn't
the
army
corps
and
the
city
consuming
these
resources,
it
is
the
army
for
contracting
engineers
and
pipefitters
and
plumbers
and
concrete
folks,
and
all
that
so
there's
going
to
be
money
spent
to
do
this
and
the
army
corps
estimate
is
you're.
C
Going
to
you
know
you
have
10
000
jobs,
possibly
created
most
of
the
job
benefit
is
located
in
charleston,
some
of
those
jobs
they're
going
to
pay
some
revenue
to
the
state
they're
going
to
pay
some
revenue
to
charleston,
because
they're
eating
out
in
restaurants
or
they're
living
and
working
here
and
they're
getting
taxed.
So
that's
wonderful!
So
some
of
that
money
comes
back
to
the
city.
It
can
be
used
to
pay
for
this.
This
last
thing:
knowledge
who
did
the
folks
in
new
york
call
when
sandy
hit.
C
They
often
called
the
folks
in
louisiana
because
they
had
just
been
through
some
of
this
stuff.
So
there's
a
knowledge
creation
that
occurs
here
that
can
pay
longer
term
benefits
from
this
sea
level.
Rise.
Coastal
storms,
storm
water
management,
rain
bombs,
they're
not
going
away.
I
don't
think
so.
If
we
can
get
some
residual
benefit
from
it,
investing
this
money
we
can
and
then
finally,
the
bcr
on
this
that
low
sea
level
rise.
Is
there
it's
9.2
at
the
intermediate
sea
level
rise,
it's
18.5
and
a
high
level
of
corris.
C
It
goes
up
to
14.7.
This
is
sort
of.
If
you
think
about
it,
makes
a
lot
of
sense
with
that
structure
in
place.
We're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
protection,
so
we're
not
going
to
get
a
return
on
investment
that
we
can
go,
spend
money
on
what
you're
getting
is
a
bunch
of
avoided
losses,
so
every
dollar
spent
on
this.
In
the
intermediate
level,
vcr
of
the
intermediate
level
of
suitable
rise,
the
bcr
is
10.2
one.
C
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
dale.
I
personally
have
benefited
greatly
from
sitting
in
to
observe
the
three
by
three
advisory.
So
one
of
the
one
of
the
quick
things
I
wanted
to
say
before
I
ask
you
a
question
is
thanks
for
telling
us
about
the
south
atlantic
coast
study
in
the
I
looked
at
the
website
and
for
anyone
who
could
sign
on
there
is
a
webinar
that
they're
hosting
on
tuesday
right
before
our
council
meeting.
F
So
we
have
plenty
of
time
to
watch
it's
one
to
three
and
it's
just
about
south
carolina,
so
I've
registered.
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
to
at
least
have
a
few
of
us
get
on
to
that,
because
that
leads
to
my
question
and
my
thanks
to
councilmember
waring
in
particular
that
he
has
continued
to
make
the
points
to
the
three
by
three
by
three
committee
and
to
us
that
this
is
a
regional.
F
You
know
we're
not
right
now
we're
taking
on
the
responsibilities
charleston,
because
that's
where
the
that's
where
the
study
has
been
conducted,
that
is
the
boundaries
the
perimeter,
but
we
all
know-
and
the
port
I
think,
is
a
great
example
of
how
that
should
work,
that,
yes,
they
have
a
home
base
in
charleston
city
limits,
but
they're
growing
their
whole
operation
up
up
the
shoreline
where,
where
the
study
has
no
reach
at
this
point
in
time,
so
I'd
like
you
to
speak
just
a
little
bit
to
councilmember
wearings.
You
know
good
philosophy
about
this.
C
So,
thank
you
for
the
question
I
mean
one
of
the
key
recommendations
of
the
dutch
dialogues
was
work
as
a
region.
You
can
define
the
region
in
some
ways
our
hydraulic
folks,
matt's
buddies
will
like
we'll
have
to
tell
you.
No,
we
look
at
the
floodplain,
we
look
at
the
watershed
and
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
plan
that
way.
Well,
governance
doesn't
work
that
way,
but
ideally
we
would
get
there.
C
We
would
have
that
kind
of
a
lens,
because
that
allows
you
to
manage
water
and
make
efficient
events
across
the
entire
floodplain
or
watershed,
because
you
have
different
types
of
needs
across
you
have
a
storage
need
upstream
and
you
have
a
channeling
need
or
mid
storage
need
midstream
and
you
need
a
surge
protection
or
title
thing
down
at
the
bottom.
So
this
has
to
be
done.
This
army
corps
study
is
the
first
for
charleston.
C
If
you
do
these
studies,
but
I
think
I
think
the
councilman
is
absolutely
right
that
we
need
to
look
at
this
regionally,
but
in
north
charleston
the
counties
are
going
to
have
to
apply,
for
you
know
a
csrm
study
or
use
this
sac
study,
which
does
quantify
some
of
this
risk,
and
you
look
at
the
south
south
carolina
appendix
chapter.
I
mean
it
talks
about
all
this.
So
how
do
you
do
this
together?
C
And
you
know
the
most
efficient
way
of
looking
is:
is
creating
the
financial
stack
to
deal
with
the
watershed
effects
of
storms,
rainfall,
tidal
impacts,
tidal
increase
and
compound
flooding,
because
brony
now
the
really
smart
engineers
who
work
on
this
were
only
now.
They
are
only
now
starting
to
be
able
to
run
their
computer
models
that
you
can
model
and
get
an
output.
C
That
has
you
know
the
simultaneous
impacts
or
the
compounding
impacts
of
storm
surge,
certain
tidal
conditions,
because
the
tide
goes
up
and
down
every
you
know
twice
a
day,
run
all
those
probabilities
together.
This
takes
a
tremendous
amount
of
model,
setup
and
computing
power
to
do
that,
but
they're.
Now
it's
getting
it's
getting
much
easier
to
do
that,
so
we're
able
to
think
of
these
things
in
watershed.
So
I
think
this
is
an
exciting
opportunity
for
the
city
to
be
part
of,
but
again
we're
starting
here.
C
This
is
this
is
what
the
city
asks
for.
This
is
what
it
has
and
again,
if
you
want
to
look
at
a
regional
approach,
it's
going
to
require
less
of
a
core
of
engineers
involvement
because
they
deal
with
surge
unless
it's
post
disaster
and
it's
more
of
a
state
county
and
local
effort
when
you're
thinking
about
these
other
types
of
water.
A
Very
much
councilman
rasheed.
Thank
you,
dale
appreciate
it
in
your
numbers.
You
were
talking
about.
I
believe
total
losses.
Is
that
correct,
not
just
flood
losses,
so
you
were
talking
about
blue
tarp
grooves
and
you
were
talking
about.
You
know
all
these
billions
of
dollars,
but
a
lot
of
that's
going
to
happen
whether
we
build
this
wall
or
not.
Am
I
correct
in
that
and
we
know
what
percentage.
C
No,
that
that
wasn't
broken
down
those
are
totally
absolutely
right.
Sir
hurricanes
come
with
a
lot
of
wind
wind
rips
through
the
roofs
off
a
lot
of
the
damage
comes
from
with
with
a
strong
surge
event.
It
is
the
force
of
that
water
on
structures
and
then
the
force
of
impermanent
structures
or
structures
that
are
not
tied
on
moving
around
and
knocking
doing
other
damage,
and
then
it's
the
it's.
The
residual
benefit
of
the
residual
impact
of
the
water
staying
around
in
basements
needing
to
be
pumped
out,
and
things
like
that.
C
G
Thank
you
dale
for
this
presentation.
I
was
looking
at
your
your
slide
about
the
funding
mechanisms
and
I
see
in
there
that
there's
a
significant
acts
to
both
charleston
county
and
also
the
state
infrastructure
bank
I
mean
that's,
I
think,
100
million,
so
approximately
one-third
of
our
local
match
would
come
from
from
those
agencies.
C
That's
a
great
question,
sir.
Again,
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
language
in
the
bottom
of
the
slides,
I'm
far
far
away
from
the
screen
and
my
eyes
are
a
little
bit
older
than
yours,
but
there's
a
sentence
that
the
city
cannot
pay
for
construction
of
this
without
state
and
county
support,
it's
very
clear.
We're
going
to
need
other
help.
So
let's
be
frank
about
that!
We've
talked
to
the
county.
C
We
have
a
discussion
tomorrow
with
with
some
of
the
folks
in
the
resilience
office
in
the
state.
We
are,
you
know,
talking
with
various
legislators,
we're
talking
with
folks
in
congress
about
this,
so
those
discussions
are
underway,
we've
started
them,
but
until
we
have
a
structure
designed
and
engineered
or
nearly
designed
and
engineered,
it's
sort
of
putting
the
cart
for
the
horse
to
say:
okay,
we're
going
to
pay
for
it
in
this
way.
So
we
need
to
tee
up
this
discussion
and
say:
hey.
C
The
city
may
be
coming
to
ask
you
for
some
money
and
here's
the
rationale.
Why
and
here's
what
we're
contributing
and
here's
what
we're
sending
upstate
also.
So
I
think
that's
part
of
this.
This
negotiation
that
we
do
with
with
the
the
state
and
county
partners,
so
we
have
started
those
those
discussions,
but
we
haven't
asked
them
for
a
check.
Yet,
if
that's
what
you're.
B
All
right
any
other
questions.
We
had
just
a
little
bit
of
information
this
afternoon,
right,
yo,
wow,
a
lot
to
take
in
and
so
well
presented
by,
wes
and
alan
and
matt
and
dale.
Thank
you
all
for
putting
all
this
together
and
the
incredible
amount
of
work
that's
going
into
it,
since
the
discussion
has
gone
on
for
some
time.
If
no
one
has
another
question,
we
will
be
taking
this
matter
up
for
action,
I
think,
later
in
november
and
in
december,
but
this
is
a
good
start
of
information.