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City of Charleston City Council / Planning Commission Workshop 9/23/21
B
B
Amen,
thank
you
and
just
another
reminder
that
everything
we
can
do
to
stay
safe
and
healthy
is
an
important
thing
to
do
so.
For
the
most
part.
Here,
I'm
going
to
turn
this
discussion
over
to
our
planning
department
and
then
I
think,
we'll
maybe,
after
a
summary,
take
these
issues
that
came
up
kind
of
one
at
a
time
maybe
and
talk
about
them
as
as
appropriate.
As
you
all
would
like
to
robert
summerfield,
our
planning
director
robert.
C
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
members
of
council
and
the
planning
commission
for
for
making
time
this
afternoon.
I
know
especially
our
city
council.
You
guys
are
meeting
to
death,
so
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
once
again,
you've
taken
time
out
of
very
busy
schedules
to
participate
in
this
discussion.
C
It
underscores
just
how
vital
and
important
the
comprehensive
plan
is
to
the
community,
and
particularly
this
plan,
which
is
a
complete
ground
up
redo
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
It's
not
just
an
update
to
the
century.
Five,
it's
a
it's
a
brand
new
way
of
thinking
about
how
we
plan
for
the
future
of
the
city
of
charleston,
so
real
quickly.
I'm
gonna
just
have
a
couple
comments
and
then
mr
morgan
is
going
to
take
us
through.
C
As
the
mayor
mentioned,
we
we
did
a
very
comprehensive
review
of
what's
in
the
plan
during
the
last
workshop.
Additionally,
we've
had
the
public
hearing
on
the
plan
that
was
at
the
planning
commission.
Then
we've
had
the
subsequent
public
hearing
for
the
plan
that
was
at
the
city
council,
so
from
those
that
original
overview
from
the
discussions
that
have
been
had
in
those
two
public
hearings.
You
know
there
were
a
few
things
that
are
still
outstanding.
C
I
believe
staff
has
addressed
the
ones
that
we
believe
were
pretty
easy
fixes
if
you
would
or
pretty
no
nonsense,
changes
and
christopher
will
walk
through
those.
There
are
a
few
things,
though,
that
we
did
hear
through
conversations
that
we
had
individually
with
members
of
the
council
following
that
workshop,
as
well
as
some
other
conversations
that
have
gone
on
that
may
require
some
additional
conversation
and
discussion,
and
that's
mainly
what
today's
workshop
is
about
is
to
have
those
conversations
for
back
up
material.
If
need
be.
C
One
of
those-
and
I
want
to
just
take
a
moment-
and
I
know
chris
go
over
this
in
more
detail,
but
I
want
to
you
know
thank
the
folks
at
dover
cole
for
the
work
they
did
on
on
the
the
plan
that
they
put
together
the
alternative
option.
If
you
would
for
cane
hoy,
I
think
that
they
put
some
really
good
work
in
there.
I
would
just
remind
everyone,
though,
because
we've
had
some
questions
that
have
come
from
the
community
recently
that
has
not
been
adopted.
C
In
fact,
I
unfortunately,
the
city
was
not
reached
out
to
to
participate
in
that
effort,
so
it
doesn't
have
the
same
level
of
analysis
that
was
done
as
a
part
of
the
city's
plan.
The
the
water
land
analysis
that
we've
done
it
was
pretty
comprehensive,
and
so,
while
I
respect
the
work
that
they
did,
I
mean
they've
been
a
tremendous
partner
with
us
when
the
west
ashley
plan
was
done,
and
I
fully
believe
that
they
will
be
a
partner
with
us
in
other
efforts.
C
Unfortunately,
that
work,
you
know,
is
kind
of
a
separate
animal.
If
you
would
from
the
the
work
of
the
city
plan-
and
so
I
would
just
remind
everybody
that
you
know,
while
that
is
very
nice,
what
they've
done,
it
is
not
exactly
consistent
with
the
work
that
was
done
through
the
very
in-depth
teamwork
that
was
done
on
the
land,
use
and
water
analysis
that
the
city
conducted,
and
so
I
would
just
ask
that
everyone
keep
that
in
mind
as
well
as
we
move
forward
in
these
discussions
today.
C
With
that
you
have
the
entire
comprehensive
plan
team
on
board
here,
led
by
mr
morgan,
he's
going
to
go
through
these
things
that
we
heard
and
that
we've
made
some
adjustments
based
on
what
we
heard.
Additionally,
there
were
some
comments
that
we
heard
that
we
think
require
some
additional
conversation.
C
We
think
we
still
have
a
strategy
going
forward
for
them,
but
we
felt
like
they
may
be
things
that
require
some
additional
conversation
and
from
there
we
are
open
to
anything
that
we
didn't
capture
on
the
list
that
any
member
of
the
city,
council
or
the
planning
commission
feel
like
are
still
hanging
out
there.
So
with
that,
mr
morgan,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
D
There
you
go.
Thank
you,
sorry
about
that,
thanks
again
to
our
whole
staff
that
worked
so
hard
on
this
and
to
our
amazing
consultants,
who
have
just
done
an
amazing,
really
thorough
job
on
this,
giving
us
all
the
info.
We
needed
to
come
up
with
the
recommendations
in
this
document
and
then
to
our
planning
commission
for
working
through
all
of
those
and
spending
tremendous
amounts
of
time.
We've
never
spent
as
much
time
with
our
planning
commission
on
any
previous
citywide
comprehensive
plan.
D
So
we
went
through
the
both
the
city
council
planning,
commission
workshop
shop
from
june
30th
and
the
public
hearing
from
july
21st,
and
listen
to
all
the
comments
that
you
all
had
made.
You
all
being
city,
council
and
kind
of
have
summarized
those
as
things
that
we
it
seemed
that
there
were
items
that
you
wanted
to
have
individual
discussions
with
on.
D
We've
had
a
number
of
meetings
with
council
members
who
did
bring
up
issues
and
we
think
we've
worked
out
some
of
those
issues
that
they've
brought
up
and
hopefully
through
today's
discussion,
we
can
solve
any
others
that
that
come
along.
But
what
we
wanted
to
start
with
were
some
downtown
plan
map
comments
and
I'm
gonna
just
flip
to
our
first
screen
here.
D
That's
what
it's
always
been
in
our
previous
plans
as
an
industrial
use,
and
we
heard
from
a
number
of
council
members
that
they
might
like
the
plan
to
take
a
more
active
role
in
making
recommendations
for
union
peer,
and
you
know-
that's
really
going
to
be
difficult
without
a
full
planning
exercise
itself
for
union
peer
that
you
know,
we
think
really
should
involve
the
public,
and
so
what
our
proposal
on
this
was
is
to.
Instead
of
calling
union
peer,
industrial
call
it
what
we
call
a
future
planning
area
which
we've
had
in
previous
plans.
D
In
fact,
we
had
in
the
previous
century
five
plan
and
say
that
in
these
future
planning
areas,
you
have
to
have
a
full
community
plan
put
together
with
extensive
public
involvement
to
come
up
with
what
those
future
land
uses
will
be.
We
know
there's
been
previous
planning
on
union
pier
and
some
of
it's
been
very,
very
good,
but
we
probably
need
to
revisit
all
of
that,
as
this
begins
to
get
sold
off
and
look
into.
You
know
how
the
neighborhoods
feel
about
the
types
of
uses
that
would
be
here.
D
What
kind
of
traffic
can
be
accommodated
on
our
streets?
You
know
what
kind
of
views
would
be
available,
what
kind
of
parks
all
those
types
of
issues
way
too
many
issues
to
go
into
in
a
30,
000
foot
type
of
plan,
like
our
city
plan,
our
comprehensive
plan,
but
it's
definitely
something
that
could
be
undertaken
before
those
land
uses
are
designated
in
a
future
map.
So
that
was
our
recommendation
for
the
union
peer
area.
Happy
to
answer
any
comments
or
further
questions
on
that
before
we
move
on
to
other
items,
christopher.
E
D
C
And
christopher
my
councilwoman
jackson,
so
while
there's
no
other
land,
that's
identified
under
the
future
land
use
maps
currently
for
this
designation
in
previous
versions
of
the
comp
plan,
it
has
served
as
kind
of
a
holding
district
until
such
time
as
those
those
areas
did
come
forward
with
development
plans
that
then
found
the
appropriate
designation
for
them.
So
it
works
as
a
as
a
really
good.
We
know
it's
not
going
to
remain
industrial,
but
we
don't
know
exactly.
C
E
I
I
I
mean
I
I
was
thinking
that
maybe
or
actually
my
next
question
then,
is
how
hard
is
it
to
change
the
future
land
use
map
once
we
adopt
the
plan,
would
it
be
more
sensible
to
you
know,
sort
of
drill
down
into
some
other
maps
and
see
if
we
should
make
this
more
future
forward
designation
or
can
we
do
that?
You
know
at
another
date
once
we're
in
into
a
discussion
or
a
planning
strategy
for
something
that
isn't
obvious
right
this
minute
to
be
that
future
planning
area.
C
So
so
I
would
say,
christopher
can
jump
in
and
correct
me
if,
if
I
misstate
anything,
but
I
think
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
pretty
in-depth
plan
when
this
comes
forward,
and
so
as
a
part
of
that
effort,
we
will
be
putting
something
forward
for
the
council
and
the
planning
commission
to
recommend
to
adopt.
So
that
will
be
the
time
when
we
will
have
that
opportunity
to
update
this
map,
and
it
can
be
done
as
a
you
know,
a
unified
process,
it's
it
would
not
be
any
more
onerous
to
update
the
map.
C
D
And
and
if
I
could
add
on
to
what
robert
was
saying-
it's
been
very
commonplace
for
us
when
we
have
our
small
area
plans
like
plan
west
ashley
or
rethink
folly
road
or
plans
like
that
that
we
adopt
those
plans
as
part
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
So,
let's
say
in
a
few
years
a
union
peer,
full
plan
is
done,
and
it's
brought
to
you
all
and
you
all
agree
with
it.
D
D
G
G
D
H
Thank
you
mayor,
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
with
either
mr
summerfield
or
mr
morgan.
This
designation
does
not
change
the
current
zoning.
That's
on
the
site,
any
future.
Zoning
changes
that
would
need
to
be
to
facilitate
future
development
would
require
the
whole
rezoning
process.
In
addition,
so
that
may
give
people
additional
comfort.
B
B
A
A
They
were
being
taken
aback
a
little
bit,
and
I
think
this
is
exactly
what
the
comprehensive
plan
does
it's
more
of
a
future
looking
document
and
and
so
we're
recognizing
a
future
use
here
without
getting
super
specific
at
this
point,
and
I
think
the
community
engagement
moving
forward
in
this
is
going
to
be
very
important.
So
I
I
think
this
is.
This
is
a
really
incredible.
You
know,
label
for
us
to
put
on
it
absolutely.
B
D
Okay,
we'll
go
on
to
the
next
slide.
So
then
another
area
in
downtown
that
had
some
questions
and
we
had
meetings
with
our
council
representatives
from
this
area
to
discuss.
It
was
the
fact
that,
in
the
current
version
that
you
know
was
endorsed
by
a
planning
commission
and
came
to
you
all
in
the
public
hearing,
we
had
left
off
the
city
center
designation
for
lower
king
and
lower
meeting
and
broad
street,
and
we
had
done
that
because
we
felt
like
the
neighborhood
designation
that
we
were
applying
to.
D
This
still
would
allow
for
the
types
of
densities
and
things
that
have
been
found
in
those
areas
already.
But
upon
hearing
from
you
know,
in
our
public
hearing
we
heard
from
a
number
of
preservation
advocacy
organizations,
both
preservation
advocates
advocacy
organizations,
as
well
as
our
council
members,
that
there
were
concerns
about
that.
We
have
put
forward
this
modified
version
that
has
the
frontages
along
king
street
and
meeting
street
and
broad
street
now
back
in
this
city
center
area.
D
A
B
And
I
I
think
appropriate
as
well,
particularly
coming
all
the
way
down
to
the
four
corners
of
law
and
the
courthouses
it.
It
really
is
a
city
center
feeling
down
here
almost
every
day,
and
I
remember
back
in
again
back
to
the
90s
when
mayor
riley
worked
so
hard
with
the
county
to
keep
the
county
courthouse
downtown
and
in
this
block,
and
you
know
to
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
a
important
commercial
and
city
center
portion
of
our
city.
I
think
it's
appropriate.
D
So
we
had
also
heard
a
good
bit
about
the
need
to
integrate
tourism
management
into
this
document
and,
of
course,
as
we
do
with
plans.
As
I
was
saying
a
few
minutes
ago,
when
we
do
adopt
new
plans,
we
do
typically
adopt
them
as
a
element
of
our
comprehensive
plan,
but
what
we
were
suggesting
in
reference
to
tours
and
management
when
those
comments
were
coming
towards
the
comp
plan
is
that
again
from
a
30,
000
foot
level,
it's
difficult
to
get
into
those
types
of
detailed
questions
and
issues.
D
So
we
felt
it
was
better
to
make
recommendations
for
an
update
of
the
tourism
management
plan,
which
this
document
does
and
the
the
recommendations
are
that
it
also
be
part
of
an
updated
downtown
plan
which
could
look
at
tours
and
management
barrier
protection
around
downtown.
The
changes
we've
seen
in
downtown
over
the
last
20
years,
because
it's
really
been
more
than
20
years,
since
our
plan
was
last
updated,
and
so
what
this
graphic
is
showing
is
kind
of
the
hierarchy
here.
D
That
we
see
is
the
comprehensive
plan
on
the
left
and
it
is
kind
of
the
the
granddaddy
of
all
the
plans
and
then
it
incorporates
the
downtown
plan
as
present
or
future
update
and
then
into
the
tourism
management.
And
so
we
have
put
in
a
budget
request
for
fiscal
year
2022
to
include
an
update
of
that
downtown
plan.
And
of
course,
we
would
suggest
that
the
tourism
management
strategy
be
updated.
With
that.
G
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
I
think
this
is
an
excellent
idea
too,
because
I
have
some
future
questions
about
just
plans
additions
in
general,
but
I
might
suggest
that
we
don't
just
call
it
the
downtown
plan
if
we're
looking
at
tourism
management,
because
with
the
advocation
of
short-term
rentals,
moving
out
into
the
suburbs
and
other
little
spots
in
the
city,
where
there
are
little
tourism
hot
spots,
we
might
want
to
expand
the
focus
of
that.
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
thought
table.
A
D
C
Mr
mayor,
that's
a
great
question
and
that'll
be
one
of
the
questions
we'll
need
to
answer.
If
we
get
the
funding
for
this
project,
a
large
excuse
me,
a
large
part
of
our
conversation
internally
has
been
downtown,
is
no
longer
as
it
was
defined
under
the
currently
adopted
downtown
plan.
Downtown
has
really
grown
to
encapsulate
the
peninsula.
If
you
would,
and
so
that'll
be.
A
big
part
of
that
conversation
is
what
are
the
geographic
limits
of
downtown
and
how
does
that
all
work
together?
C
In
a
you
know
some
kind
of
integrated
plan
that
addresses
these
sometimes
complex
issues
that
affect
how
downtown
works
so
that'll
be
one
of
the
big
questions
that
we
need
to
answer.
As
a
part
of
that
planning
effort
is
what
really
is
downtown
in
2022,
going
forward
versus
what
it
looked
like
in
1999.
I
Just
following
up
on
that
question
regarding
what
is
downtown,
I
know
that
we
we've
got
our.
I
know
we
have
the
spring
cannon
corridor
plan
we've
had
you
know
the.
I
think
we
even
have
that
affordable
housing
study
plan
that
looked
at
that
you
know
looked
at
some
of
those
areas,
and
so,
if
we're
taking
a
look
at
that
downtown
plan
and
redefining
that,
are
you
are
we
also
going
to
look
at?
You
know
the
implementation
of
our
our
former
plans.
I
You
know
you
know,
like
the
character
appraisals
and
how
that
is
operating,
because
you
know
we're
looking
at
preservation
in
downtown
and
how
that
you
know
that
creep
between
old
city,
district
and
old,
historic
district,
and
what's
that
look
like
so
in
that
swath
of
that
downtown?
I
know
we're
talking
about
tourism
management
here,
but
the
full
scope
of
that
er.
I
mean,
I
think,
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
that
would
be
really
important
because
there
are
so
many
type
micro
plans.
I
B
Good
point
so,
if
I
may
observe
this
came
up
a
month
or
so
ago,
when
there
was
an
unfortunate
crime
event
that
occurred
way
up
on
the
peninsula,
what
I
would
still
call
the
neck
area
and
the
the
tv
reported
it
as
a
incident
that
occurred
downtown
and
I'm
like.
I
don't
think
of
that
as
being
downtown.
B
But
I
would
also
add
the
caveat,
as
commissioner
jacobs
did,
that
when
you
do
the
tourism
management
strategy
that
it's
not
necessarily
limited
to
the
peninsula
or
to
downtown
there's
tourism
that
occurs
all
over
our
city,
and
you
know
charlestown
landing
angel
oak.
So
with
the
caveat
that
the
tourism
management
strategy
or
strategies
includes
really
all
parts
of
our
city,
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
direction
as
well.
B
D
So
then,
moving
off
of
the
peninsula,
we
had
some
questions,
I
believe
from
council
member
sheily
about
the
ashley
river
road
corridor
and
the
future
land
use.
That's
in
the
the
currently
drafted
comprehensive
plan-
and
this
is
that
area
that
I
think
he
had
some
questions
about.
So
we
were
gonna
have
a
little
discussion
on
it.
D
What
we're
showing
along
this
corridor-
and
I
know
the
area
he's
most
concerned
with-
is
the
61
car
or
the
old
61
corridor
with
the
two-lane
mostly
two-lane
road-
is
the
the
the
frontage
is
along
this
two-lane
road
and
what
we
were
designated
in.
The
document
is
our
neighborhood
edge
category,
which
is
basically
a
six
to
twenty
units,
an
acre
category
and
part
of
the
reason
we
did
designate
it
with
that
type
of
density.
D
D
Now
we're
really
kind
of
wanting
to
jump
through
here,
I'm
not
seeing
my
here
here
we
go.
Okay.
I
don't
know
why
I
was
jumping
over
this.
So
this
is
a
map
of
the
current
zoning
in
this
car,
and
this
corridor
is
roughly
70
in
the
city
and
about
30
percent
in
the
county,
and
those
properties
that
are
in
the
city
already
have
a
good
bit
of
density.
They
are
densities
of
19
units,
an
acre
to
26
units,
an
acre.
D
They
have
zoning
designations
on
the
ground
at
present,
such
as
general
business
in
red,
limited
business
in
the
deeper
red,
dr1
and
dr-1f,
which
is
19.4
units
an
acre.
Those
are
the
yellowish
colors
along
through
here
and
then
the
areas
that
are
in
brown
are
in
charleston,
county
jurisdiction
and
those
are
typically
a
neighborhood,
commercial
or
community
commercial
and
have
a
designation
of
about
12
units
an
acre
in
those
areas.
D
So
in
our
minds
that
was
fitting
within
the
category
of
the
neighborhood
edge
of
no
more
no
left,
no
more
than
20
units,
an
acre,
but
typically
somewhere
between
6
and
20
units.
An
acre
and
our
general
policy
also
has
been
in
areas
over
the
last
10
years
or
so
when
we
annex
to
match
the
density,
that's
in
the
county.
D
So
if
these
areas
are
at
you
know,
12
units
an
acre
from
charleston
county,
we
would
bring
them
in
to
say
like
a
dr9,
a
dr-12
if
they
were
going
to
a
commercial
to
a
residential
designation
or
if
they
were
going
to
a
commercial
designation.
Probably
something
like
ct,
not
as
intense
as
the
gb
that
was
in
here
a
good
bit
in
the
past,
and
you
know,
maybe
if
there
were
some
uses
that
wouldn't
fit
within
ct
of
limited
business
or
something
like
that.
D
But
we
felt
like
we
were
being
very
reflective
of
the
existing
property
rights
of
owners
in
the
area
with
this
designation
and
also
respecting
you
know
what
had
been
designated
in
the
county.
This
way.
We
are
acutely
aware
of
the
traffic
issues
in
this
area
and
what
you
were
seeing
jump
ahead
in
here.
D
Things
like
that
that
wouldn't
impact
that
big
tree
canopy,
but
that
could
help
the
traffic
move
a
little
bit
better
and
definitely
be
safer
in
this
area.
And
so
we
are
optimistic
that
you
know
the
mayor's
request
can
ultimately
lead
to
some
improvements
out
here
from
a
transportation
standpoint
and
that,
coupled
with
the
development
entitlements
already
in
place
out,
there,
you
know
made
us
feel
like
we
were
kind
of
striking
a
correct
balance
for
the
designations
along
ashley
river
road.
C
And
if,
if
I
might,
I
think
we'd
also
be
remiss
if
we
didn't
acknowledge
the
fact
that
you
know
we,
we
have
heard
that
the
capacity
out
here
in
the
future
may
be
more
limited,
and
so,
as
a
result
of
that,
you
know
this
is
no
longer
designated
highway.
This
is
that
neighborhood
edge,
which
is
a
less
intense
category
than
it
has
previously,
while
being
respectful
of
those
existing
zoning
rates
that
those
property
owners
are
entitled
to.
So
just
I.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
clear
as
well.
C
It's
not
that
we
didn't
hear
that
concern
about
the
intensity
of
future
development.
We
did.
We
did
in
fact
hear
that,
and
so
this
category,
I
think
christopher
pointed
out,
does
strike
that
balance.
If
you
would
between
the
existing
rights
that
exist
for
those
zoning
categories
with
you
know,
a
d
emphasis
on
intensity
going
from
that
highway,
designation
down
to
this
neighborhood
edge,
designation.
E
And
can
robert
can
I
just
suggest
for
clarity,
since
people
are
watching
on
youtube
that
I
I
saw
in
the
letter
it
we're
talking
about
between
paul
cantrell
on
the
south
or
whatever
direction.
We
call
that
and
beast
ferry
on
the
north.
So
we're
not
talking
about
the
historic
corridor
of
ashley
river
road.
I
think
that's
important
for
people
to
know
this
is
already
a
determined
suburb
area
of
charleston
from
long
ago.
J
You,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you,
mr
morgan.
Mr
summerfield,
I
appreciate
your
time
looking
at
this.
I
did
want
to
clear
up
one
thing:
councilmember
jackson,
this
is
between
this
is
on
the
ashley
river
roadside.
This
is
not
the
glenn
mcconnell
side
here,
so
it's
actually
river
road.
It's
actually
between
magwood
and
beast
ferry
road,
I
guess,
or
you
know,
magwood
and
pierpont
road,
those
those
roads.
The
you
know
I
know
y'all
have
heard
keith
benjamin
say
before
you
know
how
bad
this
traffic
is.
J
I
mean
it's
a
it's
an
e
out
of
an
a
through
f
and
how
it's
not
an
f.
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
can
tell
you
with
a
child
that
plays
three
three
high
school
sports
that
I'm
all
over
the
place
at
high
traffic
area,
and
this
is
the
worst.
I
I
don't
care
what
studies
you
do.
I've
been
down
every
road
in
the
city
of
charleston,
and
this
is
the
worst
traffic
in
the
city
of
charleston,
how
it's
an
e
and
not
an
f.
J
I
have
no
idea
because
it
is
absolute
gridlock
around
here,
and
I
would
just
ask
that
you
know,
as
the
planning
commission
sees
things
coming,
that
way,
that
they
will
consider
that,
and
you
know
we
need
businesses
along
here.
We
don't
need
condos
apartments
and
homes
being
built
down
here,
because
there's
nowhere
for
those
people
to
go,
and
we
continue
to
allow
that
type
of
building
to
go
on,
and
you
know
it.
J
J
I
think
that
they're
going
to
be
very
limited
on
what
they
can
do
there
because
of
the
grand
oaks
along
that
road.
Yet
it's
not
out
toward
the
gardens
council,
member
jackson,
but
there
is,
as
mr
morgan
said,
a
canopy
of
trees
there
of
grand
oats
that
I'm
not
sure
that
that
road
can
be
widened
or
there
or
it's
very
limited
on
what
they
can
do
there.
J
So
I
hope
the
planning
commission
will
consider
that
when
you
see
any
kind
of
residential
go
in
there,
because
we
need
good
businesses
along
there
to
to
help
control
that
traffic
and
that's
why
I'm
so
you
know,
I
hope
that
you'll
strongly
consider
anything
you
can
do
to
limit
that
traffic.
So
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Yes,.
G
Thank
you,
mayor
to
mr
sheeley's
point.
We
will
have
to
change
ordinances
and
zoning
rules
on
general
business,
etc.
In
order
to
accomplish
what
you
are
asking,
we
are
not
able
to
just
selectively
not
vote
for
residential
if
it
is
allowed
in
that
zoning.
So
we
have
to
have
a
discussion
about
taking
general
business
and
not
allowing
the
residential
in
that
component,
which
used
to
be
considered
down
zoning
now
it's
considered
increased.
D
D
So
suburban
is
typically
four
to
eight
units,
an
acre,
it's
similar
to
our
sr1
type,
zoning
in
the
city,
and
then
our
neighborhood
designation
is
6
to
12
units
an
acre
and
then
the
neighborhood
edge
is
6
to
20
units.
An
acre
and
a
typically
the
neighborhood
edge
is
on
the
edge
of
these
neighborhoods
and
there's
a
long
corridors
that
you
know
are
kind
of
major
collectors.
Things
like
that.
G
Thank
you
mayor,
just
a
quick
question
going
back
to
councilman
shealy's
question
and
I
think
miss
limpis
added.
As
a
new
council
member,
you
know
trying
to
understand
the
process
when,
when
she
had
suggested
that
we
would
have
to
rezone
that
some
eyes
lit
up,
is
that?
Can
someone
explain
that
process
and
why
that
would
be
difficult
to
to
do
now
to
to
further
prevent
any
of
the
concerns
that
councilman
chile's
articulated,
if
you
can
describe
it
in?
In
short,
in.
D
D
B
G
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
want
to
echo
what
commissioner
olympus
has
said
about
this.
We
actually
took
this
up
in
a
workshop,
maybe
two
years
ago,
with
council
looking
at
these
residential
subzonings
in
general
business
and
limited
business
and
tried
to
separate
them,
and
we,
you
know,
ran
up
against
the
concerns
that
we're
talking
about
right
now,
and
so
I
would
strongly
petition
council
to
consider
you
know,
including
a
zoning
rework
in
this
year's
budget,
for
this
and
many
other
reasons
that
we're
probably
not
going
to
go
into
today.
G
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
discussion
that
we're
having
right
now
and,
in
addition,
there's
a
little
educational
tool
that
I've
been
made
aware
of
it's
a
little
youtube.
Video
called
guess
the
density
that
I've
been
very,
very
much
encouraging
the
city
to
build
on.
Maybe
we
could
go
to
the
preservation
society
to
get
some
money
to
do
this
to
because
it
would
be.
G
You
would
be
very
surprised
at
how
density
translates
into
development
and
you'll,
probably
guess
most
of
them
wrong,
because
I
did-
and
I
think
if
we
build
that
for
the
city
we
can
educate
ourselves,
we
can
educate
our
public
and
probably
move
forward
in
a
very
good
direction,
with
this
discussion
that
we're
having
right
now.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
mayor.
My
thoughts
would,
in
addition
to
suggesting
that
residential
not
be
a
part
of
a
general
business
like
industrial
or
industrial
zoning.
We
would
then
put
in
a
caveat
that
if
workforce
housing
and
affordable
housing
is
completed,
then
they
then
have
the
exception
to
that
rule.
I
agree
100
that
we
should
encourage
and
not
just
make
it
a
part
of
that
you
can
do.
20
of
your
apartments
have
to
be
affordable
or
workforce
housing.
G
I
think
if
they
only
do
workforce
and
affordable
housing,
then
that's
allowed
in
those
zonings
but
christopher.
I
understand
what
you're
saying
it's
a
taking
at
times,
but
we
do
need
to
general
business
and
businesses
and
commercial
to
be
a
less
less
services
for
us
and
there's
so
many
positives,
and
we
seem
to
be
losing
that.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
first
I
want
to
say
councilman
shealy.
I
sympathize
with
your
concerns.
I've
grew
up
in
west
ashley,
very
familiar
with
this
part
of
61..
The
traffic
was
crazy
when
I
was
a
kid
and
it's
gotten
worse
over
time,
and
and
this
is
a
very
interesting
discussion,
but
I
want
to
say
a
couple
things
here.
You
know
certain
terms
get
thrown
around
when
you
have
these
discussions
like
entitlement
and
takings
and
things
of
that
nature.
K
There's
a
colloquial
political
use
of
those
terms
and
then
there's
like
a
real
technical,
legal
use
of
those
terms
and
I'll
tell
you
this
right.
Now.
Nobody
has
an
entitlement
to
develop
anything
based
on
a
property's
zoning.
Okay,
I
want
to
say
that
again
nobody
has
a
development
right,
a
vested
right
or
an
entitlement
to
zoning.
The
way
you
get
an
entitlement
in
south
carolina
is
you
put
forward
specific
plans.
K
You
get
those
plans
approved
as
site-specific
development
plans
under
the
vested
rights
act.
That's
what
entitles
you
to
property,
so
the
storage
owner,
that's
zone,
gb,
that's
been
in
the
storage
business
for
who
knows
how,
many
years,
if
we
were
to
take
away
the
residential
development
rights
from
that
property
in
the
absence
of
a
site-specific
development
plan,
that
owner
has
no
claim
against
the
city
of
charleston.
So
the
concern
I've
got
here,
though,
is
you
know:
gb
exists,
downtown
west
ashley,
johns
island
right.
K
So
we
if
we
want
to
go
in
surgically
here
along
ashley
river
road,
where
I
agree,
there's
a
real
problem.
We
got
to
do
it
with
an
overlay.
We
can
do
that
tomorrow.
We
can
get
moving
on
that
asap.
We
don't
need
a
whole
scale.
Zoning
rewrite
charleston
county
has
an
overlay
zone
for
ashley
river
road.
They
don't
always
live
up
to
it
and
enforce
it
properly.
K
In
my
humble
opinion,
but
we
could
easily
develop
a
overlay
zone
in
the
city
of
charleston
along
the
most
problematic
areas
for
traffic
along
highway
61,
as
councilman
shealy
pointed
out
that
simply
takes
buy
right
residential
out
of
the
equation
and
for
the
people
that
are
vested
and
for
the
people
that
are
in
the
middle
of
the
development
review
process
they're
protected.
But
I'm
here
to
tell
you
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
this.
That
is
not
a
takings.
K
You
know
kind
of
kind
of
scare
people
from
taking
action
in
these
areas,
but
if
we
want
to,
we
are
absolutely
within
our
power
to
do
that
and
councilman
chile.
If
you
want
to
do
that,
I'd
be
happy
to
support
it
and
we
can
make
that
happen
because
I
agree
with
you:
we
need
to
be
encouraging
commercial
development
office
development,
things
of
that
nature
along
these
corridors.
K
So
the
people
that
already
live
in
this
community
don't
have
to
truck
into
downtown
every
day
during
storms
and
things
of
that
nature
right,
they
can
go
to
work
closer
to
where
they
live.
That's
what
we
need
to
be
doing.
We
don't
need
a
million
dollar
zoning
rewrite
to
do
this.
You
know
we
don't
need
to
be
afraid
of
takings.
We
don't
need
to
be
afraid
of
all
these
other
things.
We
just
got
to
get
our
pencils
out
and
and
do
this
we
did
an
overlay
zone
on
king
street
earlier
this
year
for
parking.
K
J
J
The
zoning
changes
may
may
come
as
a
result
of
the
planning
document,
but
but
this
document
is
not
specifically
to
do
zoning
changes
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
clear
on
that,
because
that's
how
I
understood
councilman
saccharon's
question:
why
couldn't
we
do
it
now
during
the
planning
process,
make
any
zoning
changes?
And
I
don't
think
that
this
document
does
that
are
supposed
to
do
that
and
just
for
clarity
can
somebody
speak
to
that.
For
me.
D
B
Well,
let
me
ask
you
this
based
upon
this
conversation,
would
it
would
it
for
the
purposes
of
the
comprehensive
plan?
Would
it
make
sense
for
the
comprehensive
plan
to
recommend
the
addition
of
an
overlay
district
along
this
section
of
61
and
to
be
and
to
work
collaboratively
with
with
the
county
of
charleston
and
their
overlay
district?
That
would
have
certain
goals,
as
has
been
stated,
to
encourage
business
and
perhaps
to
disallow
the
residential
entitlement
council,
member
waring.
H
H
and
what
councilman
appel
just
suggested
as
a
solution.
In
other
words,
we
can
actually
have
a
solution
with
this
overlay
district.
By
ordinance
we
were
the
one,
not
we
but
previous
councils,
that
put
the
residential
component
in
general
business
and
unlimited
business,
and
we've
certainly
gotten
bitten
on
that.
You
know,
I
think,
about
the
movie
theater
over
on
james
island
when
they
sold
the
movie
theater
on
james
allen.
Over
there
it
was
zone
general
business,
neighborhood
and
community
over
there
didn't
want.
H
H
Councilman
pale
about
obviously
applies
to
the
whole
city,
but
that
overlay
and
commissioner
jacobs
knows
about-
I
think
one
of
the
first
overlay
districts
we
did
in
city
of
charleston
and
commission
limp
says
you
can
straighten
me
up,
may
have
been
that
over
there
was
it,
the
ashley
river
district
over
there
burns
down
and
south
windermere
over
in
that
area.
You
know
which
seems
to
be
close
to
a
couple
of
decades
ago
now.
H
You
so
much,
but
if,
if
there's
an
area
that
should
not
have
condos
and
apartments
lined
up
along
61,
can
you
imagine
if
somebody,
let's
just
say
this
storage
unit,
that
mr
morgan
pointed
out
were
sold?
And
I
don't
know
200
units
or
200
plus
units
were
to
be
placed
here.
Can
you
imagine
those
people
getting
ingress
and
egress
on
61
in
the
middle
of
that
block
right
there
away
from
an
intersection
you're
not
going
to
get
another
intersection
as
close
the
associated
dogwood
in
61
right
now?
H
But
what
councilman
appel
spoke
about
that
overlay?
That's
something
we
can
get
working
on
now:
councilman,
chile,
ross,
appel,
dudley,
gregory,
everybody
on
him.
I
mean
that,
can
I
would
think,
could
be
put
in
place,
certainly
prior
to
years
in,
but
anyway
that's
the
solution,
and
hopefully,
through
these
workshops
we
come
away
with
action
steps
versus
a
good
hearty
conversation.
I
love
those
hearty
conversations,
but
the
action
steps
are
where
we
feel
a
sense
of
accomplishment.
Thank
you,
mr
me.
I
Thank
you,
I
think
you
know
councilman
appella
is
correct.
I
think
this
is
where
you
know
you
start.
You
know
looking
at
solutions,
and
I
do
suggest
that
as
if,
if
you
all
start
looking
at
an
overlay,
because
this
document
is
supposed
to
be
a
10-year
out
kind
of
you
know
projection
as
to
how
do
we
envision
it
and-
and
you
know,
I've
seen
overlays
and
how
you
know,
moratoriums
work
and
and
and
how
and
how
those
things
can
be
almost
problematic,
but
also
you
know,
provide
a
good
solution.
I
I
They
want
to
be
able
to
walk
outside
and
go
get
their
groceries
or
do
the
activities
that
they
they
they
want
to
do.
So
I
do
think
this
is
where
some
of
that,
where,
where
in
this
workshop,
I
think
we
can
get
solutions
but-
and-
and
I
do
caution
against
also
just
trying
to
like
do
a
wholesale
solution
and
and
the
impacts
that
it
has
down
the
future
in
10
years.
B
So
if
I
may
make
a
few
comments
myself,
I
would
again
ask
if
there's
consensus
that
we
add
to
the
comprehensive
plan
request
for
an
overlay
district
council
member
appel
and
chile
may
get
it
to
council
before
even
the
comprehensive
plan
passes,
but
I
I
think
that
would
add
some
consistency
to
have
it
both
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and
and
then
to
do
it.
So
that's
one
thing
also.
I
wanted
to
go
back
for
for
a
moment
to
comments
from
both
commissioner
jacobs
and
olympus's
and
donna.
B
If
I
remember
correctly,
you
referenced
the
the
joint
meeting.
We
had
the
workshop
when
we
were
looking
at
the
residential
entitlements.
At
that
point
it
was
for
light
and
heavy
industrial
properties.
This
is
correct.
The
same
thing,
though,
applies
here
to
light
business,
limited
business
and
general
business,
and-
and
you
all
know,
I
mean
it's
clear
in
the
document.
We,
I
think,
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
B
We
need
more
affordable
housing
in
this
city
and
if,
if
we
try
to,
you
know
surgically
remove
that
entitlement
for
light,
industrial
and
heavy
industrial
by
that
workshop
process,
we
went
through
and
unfortunately,
we
got
hung
up
on
a
couple
of
properties
and
the
whole
thing
kind
of
fell
apart
and
never
passed.
But
but
what
I'm
here
and
maybe
a
path
forward,
is
in
order
to
have
a
handle
on
future
residential
development
and
and
to
promote,
affordable
and
attainable
housing.
B
Not
saying
we
won't
allow
a
residential
development
in
the
right
place,
but
it
should
come
with
some
incentive
for
affordable
housing.
Just
like
we
have
with
our
workforce
housing.
Zoning
designation
we'll
give
somebody
some
density
if
they'll
provide
us
either
a
fee
in
lieu
or
some
affordable
units
right
same
concept,
and
we
we
could
apply
that
across
all
these
zoning
categories.
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
B
B
That's
a
pretty
good
sized
site
there,
councilmember
ware,
you
could
probably
end
up
with
350
units
on
that
site.
You
know
it's
probably
well
over
10
acres
so
anyway,
I'd
like
to
think
that
would
be
a
good,
healthy
path
forward
for
us
councilman.
I
mean
commissioner
lesane
and
then
councilmember
warren.
H
Thank
you
mayor
and
briefly,
it
seems
to
me
that
some
of
the
precedents
that
have
been
cited
here
for
good
planning
initiatives
that
have
led
to
overlay
districts,
the
ashley
bridge
district,
also
point
to
one
that
was
recently
done,
that
a
lot
of
folks
on
this
in
this
meeting
participated
in
the
folly
road
overlay
district.
You
know,
I
think
this
this
area
will
require
some
very
site-specific
planning
looking
at
each
particular
property,
and
so
I
think,
being
very
careful
with
what
we
do
is
important.
H
H
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
a
second
what
you
said.
I
mean
the
thought
about
removing
some
of
these
aspects
and
bringing
them
back
if
we
do
with
a
residential
component
that
requires
more
diverse
housing
for
the
population
that
we
serve.
I
mean,
let's
get
to
the
point
to
where
we
all
have
the
sidebar
conversations.
H
I
don't
know
how
much
longer
charlestonians
are
going
to
be
able
to
live
in
charleston
I
mean
you
know.
There
was
a
time
when
I
think
city
hall
is
symbolic
of
that.
I
don't
know
that
we
have
an
employee
that
works
in
city
hall,
that
actually
lives
on
the
peninsula,
and
that
price
appreciation
for
various
reasons,
is
spreading
out
in
all
directions,
and
you
know
wes
actually
used
to
be
the
affordable
option.
It's
not
so
much
the
affordable
option
anymore.
H
Our
census
data
shows
us
that
so
anyway,
I
think
again,
some
of
what
you
said
certainly
should
be
hopefully
attempted
in
action
steps
when
we
come
to
rewriting
some
of
this
because
develop
ashley
rivera
was
never
designed
for
what
it's
becoming
out
there.
Let's
put
it
like
that,
it
wasn't
designed
for
the
storage
shed
thing.
That's
out
there,
but.
H
B
D
D
So
now
we're
going
to
look
a
little
bit
at
the
king
hoy
area,
where
there
were
some
other
questions
in
reference
to
the
plan.
Just
again,
this
is
the
upper
cane
hoy
area,
and
this
is
clements
ferry
road
running
out
here.
This
is
keane
hoy
road,
which
runs
roughly
here.
The
francis
marion
forest
is
in
this
area.
The
old
canehoy
village
is
in
this
area,
as
well
as
older
settlement
areas
that
we've
identified
in
the
plan.
D
D
Of
course,
a
good
bit
of
this
area
is
heavily
impacted
by
where
we
see
you
know
ultimate
marsh
migration
going
because
of
sea
level
rise
and
the
areas
that
are
in
the
darker
green
here
are
the
low
impact
conserved
areas
that
you
know
could
see.
Regular
title
inundation
in
20
or
30
years,
and
the
folks
with
the
kane
hoy
development
are
aware
of
that,
and
you
know
they
are
adjusting
their
plans
accordingly.
D
Of
course,
they
have
a
development
agreement,
that's
based
on
a
pud
for
this
area
that
does
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
entitlements
and
we've
had
meetings
with
them
in
reference
to
all
this,
they
are,
in
the
point
hope
development,
which
is
part
of
the
cane
hawaii
development.
In
this
area.
Here
they
are
working
to
get
a
good
bit
of
density
along
clements,
ferry
road,
which
is
not
only
some
of
the
highest
land
in
the
city,
but
also
is
an
area
that
potentially
could
have
good
transit
service.
D
If
we
had
enough
density
along
this
area
of
clements
ferry,
we
might
even
get
to
a
point
where
we
could
have
like
a
bus,
rapid
transit,
something
you
know
a
good
year,
a
good
ways
out
in
the
future,
but
something
that
could
be
aspired
to
as
a
way
to
help
mitigate
some
of
that
crush
of
traffic.
That
currently
hits
clements
very
road
itself
and,
in
this
planned
document,
of
course,
we're
showing
a
kind
of
feathering
out
of
these
densities.
D
This
is
city
center
within
a
half
mile
or
so
of
clemens,
very
road
in
through
here
on
the
king
hawaii
development.
I
feathers
out
to
just
the
regular
suburban
category
out
here
and
then
feathers
out
to
the
at
the
edge
of
our
urban
growth
boundary
to
our
suburban
edge,
which
is
near
the
urban
growth
boundary
and
lots
of
other
areas
of
the
city
johns
island
example.
D
That
would
have
the
least
intense
development
from
one
unit
an
acre
to
four
units,
an
acre.
We
also
wanted
to
point
out
how
the
king
hoy
development
did
have
provisions.
As
I
was
saying
for
the
settlement
areas.
The
next
slide
shows
this
is
actually
a
slide
from
the
pud
that
was
approved
for
king
hoy.
D
This
is
clements
very
road
right
here.
The
jack
primus
area
is
here
and
if
you'll
notice,
this
kind
of
area
with
a
little
hook
on
the
end
of
it.
This
is
a
blow
up
of
it
here
on
the
right
side,
and
this
was
an
area-
that's
part
of
the
king
hoy
property,
but
that
they
were
recommending
and
calling
for
in
this
pud
that
could
be
ultimate
expansion
of
the
jack
primus
area.
It
would
be
an
area
that
would
allow
the
same
types
of
development
that
have
occurred
in
jack
primus,
which
is
multiple
family
members.
D
On
one
parcel,
it
would
include.
Potentially,
you
know,
manufactured
housing,
just
a
variety
of
housing,
solutions
that
you
find
in
the
jack
promise
area
and
because
it's
immediately
adjacent
it
seemed
like
it
made
a
lot
of
sense.
It's
also
very
close
to
the
cemetery
that,
of
course,
would
be
preserved
in
this
area
and
some
of
the
most
historic
portions
of
the
king
hoy
development
itself.
D
D
You
know
that
density
of
development
along
clements
ferry
and
then
the
king
hawaii
development
does
not
include
areas
that
are
around
the
old
keenhoy
village.
Here
these
areas
are
much
lower
density,
and
this
is
the
area
where
we've
had
the
issues
with
the
the
graves
and
other
much
tighter
in
historic
resources,
and
these
are
all
in
the
area.
That's
recommended
for
suburban
edge,
so
a
very
low
density
in
that
keenhoy
village
here
and
we
felt
like
that
was
appropriate
to
the
development
pattern.
That's
there,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
other
questions
about
cain
hawaii.
B
D
It's
what
is
already
in
the
plan,
the
city
center
designation,
along
clements,
ferry
road
feathering
out
to
the
the
suburban
and
then
our
suburban
edge,
and
all
the
provisions
for
jack
primus
and
the
king
hoy
village.
These
are
all
already
in
the
document
that
planning
commission
recommended
to
you.
E
You
know
what
what
has
already
been
approved
under
the
hud
and
the
development
agreement
for
the
for
the
first,
you
know,
big
land
use
that
we
know
is
going
to.
You
know
have
probably
the
most
immediate
progress
that
council
member
del
chapo
is
going
to
be
clear
to
you
know,
be
a
an
arbitrator
for
it's.
Is
there
any
difference
between
what
what's
already
there
and
then,
if,
if
we
could
like
have
a
clean
slate,
would
we
make?
C
So
councilman,
yes,
I
think
the
answer
to
that
question
is
yes.
If
we
had
had
the
land
and
water
analysis
that
was
conducted
as
a
part
of
this
process
at
the
time
that
the
prior
pud
was
done,
I
think
the
land
use
plan
under
the
pud
would
be
different.
I
think
in
work.
Mr
morgan
can
go
into
this.
I
think
in
particular
the
area
and
I'm
pointing
at
my
screen
as
if
you
guys
can
see
where
I'm
pointing
but
the
area
south
of
clemens
ferry
where
we're
showing
that
intensive
marsh
migration
area.
C
I
think
that
is
substantially
different
under
what
we
saw
under
the
the
land
and
water
analysis
versus
what
was
some
land
use
is
considered
under
the
pud.
The
great
thing
is
that
they,
you
know,
and
talking
to
and
during
the
planning
commission
process.
For
this
you
know
it
opened
some
dialogue
between
the
city
and
the
development
team
for
cainhoy
that
I
think,
there's
going
to
be
some
give
and
take
there
based
on
what
we
put
here
in
the
plan
versus
what
you
know.
C
Those
older
pud
documents
suggest,
I
think,
some
of
the
most
immediate
stuff
again
will
be
along
clemens
ferry,
as
christopher
has
pointed
out.
That's
where
we're
seeing
the
development
occurring
right
now.
We
will
see
some
more
of
that
as
they
are
continuing
to
look
at
their
planned
documents
and
doing
their
engineering
and
identifying
you
know
where
roadways
may
go
on
the
north
side
of
clemmons
ferry.
I
think
that
will
continue
to
be
a
dialogue
as
we
go
forward,
so
I
think
there's
definitely.
C
This
opens
the
door
for
some
conversation
that
maybe
didn't
exist
prior
to
doing
the
land
and
water
analysis
up
here.
That
can
have
some
ongoing
dialogue
about
maybe
some
modifications
to
that
pud
as
we
move
forward
and
they
move
forward
with
their
development
plans
christopher.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
on
to
that.
D
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
go
kind
of
move
a
slide
ahead
and
show
again
so
one
of
the
the
things
about
the
land
water
analysis
is,
you
know
again,
this
was
done
back
in
2014
2013.
This
is
the
pud
for
cane
hoy
and
you
don't
see
as
much
of
the
southern
area
based
on
the
screenshot,
but
it
was
showing
more
suburban
areas
down
here
in
the
area
that
are
now,
you
know,
we
know
from
a
elevation.
Standpoint
is
more
problematic.
D
This
area
is
also
somewhat
problematic
from
an
elevation
standpoint.
They
were
showing
this
as
a
north
river
village
in
here,
but
if
you'll
notice
in
this
document,
this
is
that
same
area,
and
we
have
noted
that
this
is
an
area
that
has
a
lot
of
impact
from
the
the
encroachment
encroaching
sea
level
rise
and
all
that,
so
they
have
seen
this
and
know
that
we
are
calling
for
this
area
to
maybe
scale
back
some
because
of
elevation
issues.
D
This
area
is
not
as
challenged
from
an
elevation
standpoint,
but
it
is
a
good
ways
away
from
women's
ferry.
It
is
very
close
to
the
urban
growth
boundary.
It
has
a
lot
of
this
old
growth
forest
on
it.
So
obviously,
if
densities
here
could
be,
maybe
even
focused
more
further
up,
that
would
be
great
for
everybody
and
we
would
love
to
work
with
the
development
team
there
on
how
they
could
modify
that
putt
over
time
and
and
achieve
something
that's
more
in
line
with.
E
E
K
I
was
just
gonna
briefly
say
that
you
know
there's
a
little
addendum
to
my
discussion
about
vested
rights
earlier,
that
vested
rights
in
south
carolina
only
stop
the
subsequent
enactment
and
application
of
zoning
regulations
to
an
entitled
property.
Stormwater
regulations
are
not
zoning
regulations,
so
I
just
put
that
out
as
food
for
thought.
K
I
don't
think
the
fact
that
obviously,
the
development
out
in
kenhoy
is
entitled
with
development
agreement
and
puds,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
the
city
is
prevented
from
doing
anything
to
impact
or
modify
certain
aspects
of
the
development
so
long
as
it
complies
with
south
carolina
law.
But
but
vesting
is
not
a
total
bar
to
the
subsequent
regulations,
including
stormwater
regulations,
particularly
in
light
of
what
we
know
today
versus
what
we
know
what
we
knew,
maybe
a
decade
or
more
or
so
ago.
Thanks.
A
A
A
So
I
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
one
specifically
is
not
being
called
out
when
we're
talking
about
an
entire
area
and,
interestingly
enough,
the
one
that
we're
calling
out
is
sure
is
drawn
in
more
towards
the
center.
So
I
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
again
that
we're.
I
want
to
make
sure
everything's
being
applied
equally.
E
B
F
Yes,
I'm
a
nice
quick
question:
okay,
although
we
are
doing
all
this,
have
that
we're
going
to
have
any
problems
going
through
the
census
in
the
city
of
charleston,
but
it's
in
the
county
of
berkeley,
it's
in
berkeley
county.
You
know
when
I
really
represent
that
representing
that
area
back
in
way
back
when
in
97
98
99.
F
We
fought
it
and
I
was
the
person
that
fought
all
the
attorneys
and
got
it
done
during
that
time
with
the
council
that
we
had
in
place.
So
if,
since
we
are
like,
I
say,
the
city
of
charleston
and
be
dealing
with
berkeley
county
is
berkeley
county
going
to
have
any
things
to
do
with
all
the
zoning
part
that
we
might
have
to
do
in
that
particular
area.
D
Well,
councilman,
all
of
the
canehoy
development
is
in
the
city,
and
so
this
pod
came
through
the
city
process
and
then
there
still
is
some
of
that
old
cane
hoy
zoning
along
in
this
area,
where
it's
two
units,
an
acre
here
and
actually
the
whole
canoy
pud,
was
based
on
the
premise
of
two
units,
an
acre
as
well,
but
there
is
also
on
the
ground
zoning
over
here.
That
is
near
king
hoy
village.
That
is
no
more
than
two
units
an
acre
in
here
and
reflected
in
our
plans
as
well.
D
The
county
still
have.
There
still
are
some
areas
in
the
county.
I
believe
the
nelly
field
development,
which
is
believe
right
around
in
here,
is
still
in
the
county.
Although
we
do
see
some
annexations,
it's
actually
fully
built
out,
but
we
we
ultimately
may
annex
some
of
that,
and
then
we
do
see
in
the
old
keenhoy
village
area
a
good
bit
of
land
that
is
still
in
berkeley
county,
and
you
know
we
continue
to
work
with
them.
D
We
have
a
very
good
dialogue
with
their
planning
department
and
they
consult
with
us
on
a
lot
of
things
out
here,
and
so
I
think
that
they've
taken
a
lot
of
care
to
that
king
hoy
village
area.
There
are
some
other
developments
that
were
approved
a
while
back
in
areas
along
berkeley
county.
As
you
get
further
down
here
towards
clements
ferry,
I
mean
right
towards
526.
That
gives
some
balls,
but
I
think
the
county
has
worked
very
well
in
this.
The
kenoi
village
area.
B
D
Okay,
well,
essentially,
we
were
just
going
to
kind
of
outline
what
we
saw
as
the
next
steps.
Here
we
were
hoping
to
have
you
know,
second
and
third,
reading
on
this
document
the
plan
document
before
you
all
on
october
12th,
we
will
add
the
items
that
we've
discussed
this
afternoon,
that
we've
gotten
consensus
from
you
all
on
and
then,
assuming
that
you
know
things
move
forward
on
the
12th.
You
know,
then
our
staff
moves
into
our.
You
know
phase
of
plan
implementation.
D
We
already
are
you
know,
looking
ahead,
as
we've
said
already
about
the
2022
budget,
requests
for
funding
for
downtown
plan
and
zoning
code
rewrite.
We
also
want
to
have
regular
planning
department,
public
outreach
and
the
status
of
the
plan
implementation.
We
haven't
really
done
that
as
well
in
the
past,
and
that's
something
we
want
to
keep
up
at
the
top
of
our
kind
of
project
list.
Is
that
we're
going
to
regularly
report
back
to
the
community?
D
We
want
to
have
an
online
public
data,
dashboard
tracking
the
progress
of
this
plan
showing
how
we're
helping
to
implement
it
and
trying
to
get
the
public
to
have
a
little
bit
more
ownership
of.
What
is
our
you
know,
would
be
our
new
city
plan
and
and
have
understanding
of
it,
so
that
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
really
going
to
be
working
towards.
G
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
toward
that
public
data
dashboard.
That
was
a
question
that
I
had
written
down.
I
is
this:
what
I
heard
earlier
that
there
be
a
a
website
type
place
where
the
plan
sits,
you
know
where
it
could
be
easily
seen
digitally
and
in
addition,
we
reference
a
lot
of
in
an
appendix
a
lot
of
other
plans.
Will
links
be
made
possible
for
all
those
other
plans
at
this
site
that
you're
talking
about.
G
G
Okay,
the
biggest
thing
would
just
be
getting
the
plan
to
where
it's
accessible
to
the
public,
with
all
the
links
to
the
internal
plans.
Like
the
you
know,
the
fair
housing
plan,
the
racial
bias
audit.
We
mentioned
the
the
web
plan
west
ashley,
all
of
those
sub
links
that
are
referenced
in
the
document
too.
D
Okay,
some
of
our
staff
may
want
to
chime
in
on
that
chloe
or
jim
are
kind
of
masters
of
what's
on
that
site,
but
I
believe
there
already
are
links
to
all
of
those,
but
we
would
absolutely
keep
those
there
and
have
it
easily
accessible
for
the
public
that
anything
they
want
to
look
up
plan.
Why
planning
wise
in
the
city
could
all
be
in
that
one
location.
E
E
D
Absolutely
well,
I
think,
those
and
and
I'll
let
mr
summerfield
chime
in
here
if
he
wants
to
as
well.
But
you
know,
I
think
we
are
seeing
those
as
huge
priorities.
We
definitely
need
some
more
research
in
all
the
settlement
areas
we've
had,
as
you
all
probably
are
well
aware,
an
issue
come
up
in
one
of
the
settlement
areas
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks
in
reference
to
camp
road
and
a
historic
structure
there
that.
C
So
yes
councilman,
so
that's
that
will
be
one
of
the
implementation
projects.
In
fact,
ms
stuber
is
already
well
engaged
in
that
we
we're
already
in
conversations
with
the
ashley,
though
maryville
community.
Specifically,
you
know
the
each
of
those
settlement
communities
is
unique,
so
there
won't
be
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
that
we
can
we
can
take,
and
so
it
will
require
a
pretty
intensive
dialogue
to
continue
with
the
communities.
C
Additionally,
you
know
that
research
is
not
a
hundred
percent.
One
of
the
things
we
found
is
there's
a
lot
of
information.
We
don't
know
out
there
there's
a
lot
of
smaller
settlement
communities
we
just
weren't
aware
of,
and
so
that
will
be
an
ongoing
piece
of
work.
I
think
it
will
be
something
I
know
the
team
is
passionate
about,
but
it
will
be
intensive
and
very
individual
on
what
those
solutions
that
the
communities
are
looking
for,
what
are
their
protections?
C
What
are
the
options
that
they
they
want
to,
as
you
said,
maintain
their
identity,
but
also,
potentially
progress
into.
You
know
future
wealth
creation
for
their
for
their
community
with
their
land
rights,
and
so
you
know
we'll
be
taking
those
kind
of
as
one-offs.
But
we'll
we'll
be
looking
at
hard
at
like
every
strategy
that
we
can
make
available
in
the
toolbox
to
address
those.
E
I
mean
I
appreciate
you,
you
know
describing
that
it's
gonna
be
a
priority,
but
again
I
I
think
that
there's
more
common
ground
there,
yes,
every
every
location,
every
community,
every
history
is
unique
and
no
question
about
that,
and
those
and
those
those
unique
you
know,
attributes
and
and
historical
framing,
can't
can't
be
short
circuited.
But
I
do
feel
like
I
mean
I
as
an
example,
I'm
I
represent
the
lower
part
of
james
island
and
there
used
to
be
one
african-american
community
that
straddles
both
sides
up
around
battery
island
connected
originally
to
saul.
E
Agree
when
they're
literally
the
old
folly
road
went
across
the
marsh
just
to
the
west
of
folly,
road
and
basically
connected
right
down
to
solid
grey.
So
there's
a
lot
of
connectivity
that
is
historic,
but
not
not
very
well
identified
by
the
governing
authorities
that
you
know
literally
control
how
they
can
use
their
land
or
any
other
opportunities.
For
you
know
some
sort
of
support
services
grants,
so
I
do
feel
like
and
I'm
trying
to
get
those
you
know
people
in
their
in
their
present
day.
E
You
know
family
identities,
fourth
fifth,
sixth
generation-
to
reconnect
and
find
their
common
ground,
so
I
think
having
that
kind
of
vehicle
that
is
a
priority
by
the
city,
especially
as
we're
declaring
that
that's
a
priority
in
a
document
like
this
that
we
should
be
living
into
it.
So
I'm
not
going
to
you
know
like
harp
on
this
anymore
anymore
right
this
minute,
but
I
do
feel
like
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
to
bring
people
together
around
their
common.
E
I
Thank
you.
As
you
know,
one
of
the
other
kind
of
questions
that
I
had
was
about
the
zoning
code
rewrite
and
how
you
know
from
a
planning
commission
standpoint
whether
or
not
there's
going
to
be.
You
know
another
group
of
people
that
could
possibly
kind
of
give
us
this
30
000
fee
view
about
how
not
only
as
we
rewrite
it
but
how
the
process
actually
works.
I
You
know
in
our
last
planning
meeting
you
know
it
was
brought
to
our
attention
that
the
process
makes
it
to
makes
it
to
to
makes
it
too
expensive
to
have
workforce
housing.
So
therefore,
it's
easier
to
pay
the
fee
in
lieu,
even
though
we've
revised
the
fee
in
lieu
and
also
in
that
same
vein,
is
you
know,
kind
of
this
ease
of
use?
I
As
you
know,
we
write
the
zoning
code,
the
application,
how
we
can
make
it
easy
for
just
a
single
individual
to
understand
how
to
walk
through
the
process.
You
know
be
a
trc
storm
code
so
that
it
doesn't
feel
like
the
zoning
code
is
a
deterrent
to,
as
has
been
expressed,
this
generational
wealth
because
there
has
to
be
a
path
to
get
to
it,
and
so
what
are
those
shortcuts?
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
we
need
to
be
thinking
about,
as
we
rewrite
the
code
that
there's
another
piece
that
says:
what's
the
what's
the
ease
of
use,
you
know
the
straightest
path.
Is
you
know,
what's
the
straight
path
for
being
able
to
apply
these
apply
these
rules,
and
these
changes
to
you
know
to
the
individual
end
user
rather
than
you
know,
multi-family
complex,
developer
from
you
know,
off
north
or
something.
C
So
all
I
would
say
is
yes:
if
we,
if
we
are
able
to
fund
this
project
and
do
the
rewrite
of
the
code,
part
of
that
effort
will
include
an
audit
of
how
the
code
works.
So
there'll
be
high-level
policy
conversation
that
will
involve
the
planning
commission,
the
city
council,
technical
advisory
group.
That
will
help
talk
about
you
know
what
are
the
policy
goals
building
off
of
the
comp
plan
that
we
want
to
achieve
with
this
zoning
rewrite,
and
that
goes
into
that
elevation-based
zoning
concept.
Additionally,
the
it
will
talk
about.
C
How
can
we
streamline
some
of
the
processes
that
are
outlined
under
the
zoning
code,
and
so
part
of
that
will
be
an
audit
part
of
that
audit
will
include
taking
an
equity
lens
to
the
zoning
code
and
again
not
just
a
racial
equity
but
an
equity
lens.
To
your
point
about
you
know
great
the
people
who
can
afford
the
land
use
attorneys
and
everything
else
they
can
work
the
code.
C
But
what
happens
when
you
know
an
individual
person
needs
to
access
the
zoning
code
to
be
able
to
accomplish
some
work,
so
we
will
be
looking
at.
That
is
all
a
part
of
that
work
plan.
That
would
be
a
part
of
that
project
if
we
are
able
to
get
that
funded
and
move
that
forward,
but
that
our
code
is
very
complex.
It
has
been
amended
over
and
over
again
over
a
course
of
many
multiple
decades
now,
and
so
it
will
require
some
work.
C
B
L
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
having
this
meeting
today
and
getting
us
together
with
city,
council
and
staff.
I
want
to
thank
staff
again
for
all
the
work
they
put
into
it
and
city
council
and
the
planning
commission
members.
I
did
want
to
say
it's
great-
that
city
council
could
look
at
some
of
the
ordinances
that
we've
become.
You
know
we
have
issues
to
come
before
us
and
I
so
I
think
sometimes
mr
councilmember
waring
and
commissioner
olympus
can
say.
L
Sometimes
we
feel
like
potted
plants
at
the
on
the
planning
commission,
because
we
have
to
approve
certain
things
because
they
meet
the
guidelines.
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
change
guidelines
at
city
council,
so
we
appreciate
your
looking
at
the
ordinances,
changing
them
as
appropriate,
so
that
we
can
better
plan
with
the
city.
L
I
also
want
to
take
a
quick
opportunity,
miss
mayor,
to
thank
you,
but
also
we
found
out
last
week
that
our
longtime
clerk
marcy
grant
who's
been
with
us
20
years.
I
think
on
the
planning
commission,
as
her
clerk
will
still
work
for
the
city,
but
not
will
no
longer
be
our
clerk,
so
we
wanted
to
thank
her
and
city
council.
L
B
Oh
thank
you
for
that
appreciate
that.
Well
I
give
my
thanks
again
to
particularly
to
you,
commissioners,
for
your
service
to
our
city,
your
volunteer
service.
I
would
duly
note
thank
you.
It's
amazing
dedication
that
shapes
the
future
of
this
great
city
by
your
service,
and
that's
that's
just
terrific,
so
councilmember
waring.
You
want
to
help
close
us
out.
H
E
H
We
did
a
lot
of
good
work
over
there,
man,
I
I
miss
you
all
I've
told
you
all
that
in
the
past,
but
and
obviously
having
harry
lissane
and
jimmy
bailey
and
jacobs
and
all
the
new
people
on
there
we've
got
a
great
team.
It's
a
great
strength
of
the
council,
my
goodness,
let's
keep
it
together.
So
thank
you
for
what
you
all
do
over
there.
B
And
robert
and
christopher
and
everybody
else,
chloe,
phillip,
all
the
our
planning
department
staff.
Thank
you
this.
This
was
a
big
huge
lift
here.
Y'all
have
gone
way
beyond.
I
think
what
the
city
did
the
last
few
rounds
with
this,
which
was
a
mere
update
of
an
existing
plan
and
really
really
rebuilt
it
from
the
ground
up
with
with
a
real
focus
on
affordable
housing
and
with
our
management
and
living
with
water
in
the
future.
B
It
it's
a
quantum
leap
change
from
from
what
the
city
has
had
before
and,
and
I
think
very
progressive
and
in
the
right
direction.
With
this
meeting
today,
I
feel
like
we're
on
the
same
page,
our
council
and
our
planning
commission,
and
so
thank
you
staff
for
your
efforts
and
and
helping
guide
this
along
and
bring
it
together.
It's
really
been
a
remarkable
effort
all
right,
so
if
there's
nothing
else
good
for
for
the
order
here,
I
guess
we'll
stand,
adjourn
and
we'll
bring
this
this
here.