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From YouTube: City of Charleston City Council Meeting 8/16/2022
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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 8/16/2022
C
All
right:
well,
gee
everybody
got
quiet.
I
don't
even
need
to
use
the
gavel.
I'd
like
to
call
this
august
16th
meeting
of
the
city
council
of
charleston
order.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
please
call
the
roll
council.
C
Here
and
now,
councilmember
brady
who's
joining
us
online
as
the
invocation
or
a
pass
thereof.
E
F
F
H
C
C
Thank
you,
please
be
seated
and
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
tonight.
First,
just
a
little
housekeeping,
very,
not
expected
at
all,
but
in
the
crazy
event
that
we
would
have
to
evacuate
the
building.
C
C
I
did
want
to
make
a
little
announcement
about
a
fundraiser
for
ukraine,
and
I
didn't
I
don't
know
if
I
shared
this
with
council,
but
one
of
our
city,
employees,
on
his
own
initiative,
took
a
month
off
jamie
price.
He
lives
he
works
in
our
livability
department.
He
went
to
ukraine
to
try
to
help
identify
orphans
that
needed
to
be
relocated.
He
was
back
and
forth
between
ukraine
and
poland.
C
He's
an
amazing,
employee
and
person,
and
anyway
he's
continuing
this
effort,
he's
going
to
have
a
little
gathering
at
barsa
on
august
29th,
and
I
can
send
this
around
the
council
and
share
it
on
social
media.
But
what
a
terrific
effort,
humanitarian
effort
that
this
man
took
on
personally
and
he's
going
to
continue
on.
So
I
think
it's
really
nice
to
support
jamie
and,
of
course,
some
folks
over
in
ukraine.
C
So
we
have
three
pres
presentations
this
evening.
First,
is
to
invite
back
again
to
the
stage
bishop
councilmember,
shade
and
councilmember
waring
to
join
me
as
well.
Bishop,
congratulations
again
for
coming
to
charleston
and
I'm
going
gonna
test,
my
french
here,
jacques
fabregian.
You
failed
all
right.
I
failed.
H
C
Absolutely
I
needed
a
little
refresher
on
my
friend
shaw.
C
Whereas
keep
trying,
whereas
the
city
of
charleston,
is
honored
to
recognize
bishop
choc
bob
jones,
the
14th
bishop
of
the
roman
catholic
diocese
of
charleston
and
the
bishop
was
born
november,
13
1955
in
puerto
prince
haiti
and
migrated
with
his
family
to
new
york
city.
While
he
was
in
high
school,
he
attended
st
john's
university
staten
island
college
and
city
college
in
new
york,
st
michael's
college
in
toronto.
C
Canada
received
a
master's
of
divinity
degree
and
I'm
gonna
another
degree
from
the
university
of
rome
bishop
joined
the
order
of
the
missionaries
of
saint
charles
made
his
first
vows
in
1982
as
a
sclavrini
novice
in
chicago
he
was
ordained
a
priest
in
1986
in
brooklyn,
new
york,
bishop
served
his
public
ministry
in
immaculate
and
delray
beach
florida
and
became
known
as
an
expert
in
haitian
culture
and
language
amongst
military
chaplains,
while
serving
with
the
ministry
to
station
refugees
in
guantanamo
bay,
cuba.
C
His
public
ministry
also
included
service
work
as
a
liaison
between
the
bishops
of
haiti
and
the
dominican
republic,
parochial
vicar,
at
holy
trinity,
parish
in
peachtree
city,
georgia
and
saint
joseph
parish
in
athens,
georgia
and,
as
administrator
at
saint
philippe,
the
jesus
mission
in
forest
park,
georgia.
He
is
fluent
in
english,
spanish,
italian,
french
and
creole
and
bishop
was
appointed
the
bishop
for
diocese
charleston
this
past
february,
22nd
2022
by
pope
francis.
C
He
is
the
second
black
american
bishop
appointed
in
the
last
five
years
and
third,
since
2010
he
was
installed
and
consecrated
on
may
13th.
The
feast
day
of
our
lady
of
fatima
bishop
jacques
fabregan,
is
the
second
haitian-american
bishop
ordained
worldwide,
only
the
second
worldwide,
the
first
black
bishop
to
serve
the
diocese
of
charleston
and
the
first
non-diocesan
priest
to
be
ordained
as
a
bishop
of
the
diocese
of
charleston
and
bishop
has
distinguished
himself
in
his
public
ministry
for
his
keen
financial
skills,
but
most
notably,
notably
in
fulfilling
matthew's
gospel.
C
Truly,
I
tell
you
whatever
you
did
for
one
of
the
least
of
these
brothers
and
sisters
of
mine.
You
did
for
me
now.
Therefore,
I
john
j
techenberg
mayor
of
the
city
of
charleston,
hereby
proclaim
tuesday
august
16th,
the
feast
day
of
saint
stephen,
the
great,
is
bishop
jacques
fabijon
day
in
the
city
of
charleston.
Congratulations.
Thank
you.
A
H
When
I
receive
that
up
first
of
all,
I
was
telling
the
mayor
john,
why
you
have
the
first
thing
when
I
counted,
I
saw
that
you
have
12
members
of
the
city
council,
right,
12
members
and
he's
the
13th
and
asked
him
why,
and
he
told
me
that
is
you
have
to
break
the
tie?
Isn't
it
six
six
succeeds?
He
can
break
the
tax.
I
said
no,
I
will
tell
you
in
public.
A
H
Oh,
my,
oh,
my
god,
she
said
you're
only
one,
but
but
we
we
have
a
jewish
brother
here.
So,
let's
think
about
the
12
tribes
of
israel
and
also
in
the
book
of
revelation,
it's
144
that
are
going
to
be
saved
12
times.
12
is
144.,
that's
when
you're
responsible
for
being
nation
or
many
families,
many
people
coming
from
to
east
and
all
these
people.
H
So
it's
a
big
responsibility
and
I
think
we
share
that
in
common,
because
when
you're
in
charge,
it's
not
only
being
the
chief
right,
it's
to
be
responsible
and
trust
in,
for
example,
for
us
the
power
of
the
spirit
to
lead
us
humanly
speaking,
it
would
be
impossible
for
us
to
be
here
has
to
to
do
something
with
god's
work,
when,
when
I
studied
when
the
the
nuncio
called
me,
which
is
the
one
who
present
the
pope
in
washington,
that
you've
been
selected
chosen
to
be
the
14th
bishop
of
charleston,
I
said
to
him:
you
must
be
joking.
H
So
it's
not
easy.
Have
you
heard
being
when
I
heard
it?
I
was
the
first
difficulty
the
language
I've
been
away
from
the
country
for
the
past
30
years
outside
and
come
back
again,
so
I've
been
in
spanish
and
in
creole
in
other
languages
and
to
go
back
to
be
fluent
again
in
english.
So
that
was
my
first
preoccupation.
H
But
when
I
read
the
the
story
of
charleston
I
said
the
church
is
too
wise
and
I
think
there
is
something
in
in
their
history
in
their
chosen.
They
cannot
be
an
accident.
H
To
revive
the
catholic
church
here
in
charleston,
where
the
french
were
running
away
from
haiti,
the
first
catholics,
it's
interesting,
isn't
it
the
second
priest?
I
almost
had
a
nightmare
yesterday
last
night,
because
I
was
reading
about
the
history
of
charleston,
the
church
history
and
there
was
a
big
fight
between
the
two
first
priests.
H
And
the
bishop
of
maryland
maryland
was
they
had
to
suspend
the
only
church
here
in
justin
because
they
were
not
obedient,
and
I
said
I
hope
things
have
changed
since
then
since
then,
so
because
I'm
from
haiti
and
there's
there
are
there's
or
when
I
chose
my
the
palm
tree,
which
is
this
the
tree
of
liberty
of
the
haitian
revolution
against
the
french.
That's
what
I
have
it
in
my
motto
and
monsignor
drewes,
who
is
here
tell
me
no.
H
H
H
H
H
So
if
a
historian
will
come,
they
will
read
history,
just
to
repeat
it
and
maybe
not
repeat
the
same
mistakes
but
christians
when
we
are
looking
at
history,
we're
not
there
to
judge
those
in
the
past.
H
That
was
their
time
their
reality.
But
we
are
here
to
see
how
god
has
been
working
and
wants
to
work
with
each
and
every
one
of
us,
and
especially
this
body.
That
makes
so
many
decisions,
and
I
will
be
part
of
this
and
yesterday
I
went
to
bishop
england
high
school
and
they
left
me
a
flag,
a
haitian
flag
and
with
the
word
bienvenue,
they
forgot
the
e
at
the
end.
H
That
was
okay,
that's
okay,
but
I
know
that
and
people
try
to
speak
french
with
me,
try
to
make
me
at
home
and
also
probably
what
kind
of
food
that
I
that
I
eat
it's
been
so
many
I've
been
in
15
different
countries,
probably
seven
cultures.
H
H
That's
what
I'm
saying
you
were
born
june
today
and
I
was
born
at
night,
but
we
are
both
it's
a
joke
right,
but
it
a
brazilian
priest
used
to
present
me
as
this
in
mexico.
You
know
we
because
we're
from
the
same
community
and
say
we
are
brothers.
I
was
born
during
the
day
ending
him
at
night,
but
I
think
we
know.
H
Those
religions
help
me
to
be,
and
I
want
to
share
that
and
I'm
willing
to
be
your
instrument
of
love
and
peace
and
again
in
your
droving
and
he's
up.
Maybe
you
can
see
you
he's
he's
fallen.
He
doesn't
want
to
say
monsignor
draws.
Thank
you.
So
they
are
and
he's
our
saint
mary's
and
very
close,
I'm
sorry
the
time
what
time.
H
H
Thank
you,
and
you
know
you
know
what
you
probably
you
will
hear
it
or
say
the
the
the
image.
The
image
that
I
use
for
my
nation
is
the
letters
you
know
one
when
you
take
you
peel
it
out.
You
always
something
find
something
fresh
with
him,
and
this
is
us,
and
finally,
we
are
all
bees,
at
least
these
for
the
lord.
So
I'm
going
to
do
that,
what
I'm
doing
I'm
doing
with
the
children?
C
We
are
really
glad
to
have
you
in
charleston.
So
next
I'd
like
to
ask
the
docher
family,
ricky
and
johnny
and
councilmember
appel
to
join
me.
I've
got
a.
C
C
But
I
know
it's
outside
of
the
city
of
charleston,
but
they
still
have
a
doctor's
door
open
up
in
hanahan,
so
you
can
still
go
up
there
and
shop
at
doctors,
but
the
proclamation
reads,
whereas
the
city
of
charleston
is
honored
to
recognize,
docher's
grocery
store,
which
started
business
in
this
city
in
1881
at
the
corner
of
spring
and
president
street
and
later
grew
into
multi-generational
run
store
in
many
locations,
whereas
john
doesher
jr
affectionately,
referred
to,
as
mr
d
was
born
in
1926
at
home.
C
Whereas
we
are
proud
to
recognize
not
only
the
docher's
grocery
store
today,
but
the
docher
family
and
extended
them
our
sincere
gratitude
for
nearly
five
decades
of
service
to
west
ashley
residents
and
beyond.
Now,
therefore,
I
john
jay
tackleberg
mayor
city
charleston,
hereby
proclaim
today
is
also
docher's
grocery
store
day
in
the
city
of
charleston.
Thank
you
so
much
to
ricky
and
johnny
for
being
with
us,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
council
member
appel
to
say
a
few
words.
C
I
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I'm
going
to
make
this
real
brief.
I
think
that
you
know
I've
got
a
soft
place
in
my
heart
for
local,
long-time
charleston
businesses.
I
You
know
my
family
had
more
circle:
furniture
on
king
king
street
for
years
my
dad's
side
of
the
family
had
a
pelvision
in
charleston
and
elsewhere
in
the
area,
and
so
when
I
heard
that
docher's
was
closing
over
on
17,
it
was
sad
because
that's
just
another
business
that
we
all
know
and
we've
all
you
know,
driven
by
a
thousand
times,
is
going
away
and
it's
tough
to
be
a
small
business
in
charleston.
I
It's
tough
to
be
a
small
business
anywhere,
and
so
the
least
we
can
do
is
honor
and
recognize
this
long-standing
charleston
institution
for
what
they
are
and
everything
they've
given
back
to
the
city
of
charleston.
So
without
further
ado,
let's
turn
it
over
to
johnny.
A
C
C
C
C
C
Dear
shorty
happy
birthday
to
you
hooray,
so,
whereas
I'll
continue
on,
if
I
may,
you
may
be
seated,
whereas
shorty
blake
was
born
on
august
15,
1932
on
john's
island,
near
his
current
home
on
betsy
carrison,
parkway
and
shorty,
and
his
wife
for
52
years,
the
late
edie
blake
raised
five
children
together,
bernice
jr
herbert
janice
and
urban,
and
they
have,
as
short,
he
says,
a
bunch
of
grandchildren
and
great-grandchildren
and
whereas
shorty
blake
graduated
from
ought
gap
high
school
and
then
completed
a
management
course
at
the
citadel
to
prepare
him
for
employment.
C
C
C
And
whereas
we
are
honored
to
wish
christopher
shorty
blake
a
happy
90th
birthday
and
extend
to
him
our
sincere
gratitude
for
61
years
of
service
to
the
citizens
of
the
city
of
charleston
and
beyond
hi
john
jay
teckenberg
mayor
city
of
charleston,
along
with
city
council.
We
also
proclaim
today
to
be
christopher
shorty
blake
day
in
the
city
of
charleston.
God
bless
you,
sir.
C
C
Thank
you
again
for
being
with
us,
we'll
see
you
out
at
the
golf
course
soon.
So
next
up
we
have
our
public
hearings.
Y'all
we've
got
about
nine
of
those
this
evening
and
I'm
thinking,
mr
morgan
will
help
lead
us
through
these
items.
The
first
one
involves
1471
folly
road
and
it's
a
re-zoning,
mr
morgan.
F
Yes,
item
e1
is
1471
folly
road.
It's
a
request
to
rezone
from
limited
business
to
general
business,
tms,
three,
three:
four:
zero:
zero:
zero,
zero,
zero.
Five:
two!
You
see
it
in
front
of
you
on
the
map
there,
it's
a
small
portion
of
a
parcel
that
is
adjacent
to
it.
It
is
a
little
bit
smaller
than
some
of
the
nearby
parcels.
This
side
of
the
street
is
in
the
area
that
has
been
commercial
and
industrial.
The
signal
point
industrial
park
is
to
the
west.
F
The
eastern
side
of
folly
road
has
been
more
residential
historically
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
in
the
industrial
area
of
folly,
road
near
signal
point,
but
the
requested
general
business
would
be
compatible
with
that
the-
and
this
is
just
a
background
on
what
industrial
in
the
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
which
is
is
appropriate
here.
F
Oops
here
is
a
aerial
image
of
the
property
it's
vacant
at
present
street
view
again
a
vacant
lot
along
folly,
road
and
it's
adjacent
to
a
church
that
is
to
the
right,
and
these
are
just
the
different
uses
that
are
allowed
in
general
business
generally.
All
our
commercial
uses
are
allowed
in
general.
Business
and
planning
commission
did
recommend
approval
six
to
zero
for
this
rezoning.
E
I
actually
wasn't
planning
on
being
here
tonight,
but
I
am
here,
and
so
I
have
to
the
comments
really
made
on
the
on
for
public
safety
and
the
public
health
within
you
within
your
your
bylaws
council,
and
cares
act
and
american
rescue
act
did
not
fall
under
the
dementia
procedure
act
in
1946
regarding
effective
dates,
procedures,
additional
review,
for
it
was
a
congressional
emergency
measure
providing
no
final
rule.
E
So
progress
are
now
classy.
Inflation
reduction
act
regarding
climate
change
and
the
question
is
with
the
the
numbers
of
people
in
our
community
with
no
flood
insurance
adding
to
the
the
zoning
map,
or
it
makes
fema
homeland
security,
which
does
these
home
these
maps
by
you
doing
the
the
rezonings
of
these
properties,
the
night
and
beyond,
you're
creating,
maybe
creating
an
unattended
consequence
by
all
the
zonings
you've
done
and
with
this
reduction
money
was
going
to
go
through
the
governor's
office,
which
would
provide
for
grantees
to
get
funding.
E
Hopefully,
you'll
be
money
available
for
those
who
don't
have
fund
insurance,
those
have
to
get
their
flight
insurance
adjusted
because
of
local
land
use
zonings.
It's
under
control
the
cities
and
counties,
not
the
federal
government
and
that's
a
blanket
that
for
the
whole
of
all
my
public
comments
from
one
to
nine.
Thank
you
thank.
C
You,
sir,
would
anyone
else
like
be
heard
on
this
matter.
Seeing
none
the
issue
comes
to
council.
I
have
a
motion
and
the
second
any
questions.
Mr
morgan,
do
you
know
there's
a
specific
intended
use
for
the
property
with
the
reason
the.
F
C
F
Okay,
the
next
item
e2,
is
at
640
king
street.
It's
a
tenth
of
an
acre
tract
four
six:
zero,
zero,
four
zero,
four
zero.
Two
eight:
it's
a
request
to
go
from
general
business
to
mu2
wh,
which
is
our
mixed
use:
workforce,
housing,
designation.
F
This
property
is
immediately
adjacent
king
street
and
the
I-7
I-26
and
us-17
overpass
here
on
upper
king
street.
It
is
an
older
single
house
that
has
had
a
commercial
use
in
it
and
they
are
going
to
rehabilitate
the
property
and
have
other
uses
on
the
property
we
have
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
in
our
city,
centers
designation.
F
So
that
is
the
kind
of
designation
that
we
recommend
the
mu
to
workforce
housing
for
the
most
intense
types
of
uses
in
the
city
along
this
corridor
and
here's
just
some
background
on
city
centers.
F
The
aerial
images
show
the
surrounding
development.
There's
commercial
uses
on
really
all
sides:
here's
an
image
of
the
property
again,
an
old
charleston
single
house
on
a
typical
single
house,
size
lot
and
here's
a
view
of
other
development
nearby
to
the
south
and
planning
commission
did
review
this
and
recommended
it
six
to
zero.
For
the
approval
of
the
rezoning.
C
Would
anyone
like
to
be
heard
on
this
matter
see
none?
The
item
comes
to
council.
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
any
questions
or
discussion.
I
I
got
got
to
just
share
with
you
all
that
a
customer
mine
used
to
be
at
this
proper
property.
It
was
david
jones,
trucking
company
at
their
office.
In
this
little
house
they
hauled
seafood
up
and
down
the
east
coast
and
boy
did
there
was
a
smell
or
two
around
that
place
most
of
the
time.
C
It's
amazing
some
of
the
changes
we've
seen
any
further
questions
or
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
oppose
the
eyes.
Have
it,
mr
moore
council,
member
seeking
for.
J
C
Without
objection,
that
would
be
fine
with
me
y'all
fine
with
that
taking
them
all
together
in
terms
of
comments,
okay,
but
we'll
have
to
run
through
them
all.
So
so
we
know.
What's
on
the
table
councilmember
I
mean
mr
morgan.
F
J
F
Yes,
not
yes,
sir
okay,
the
number
three
e3
is
820
east
estates
boulevard.
It's
a
recent
annexation.
It's
a
quarter
acre
tract
the
re
the
zoning
recommended
for
it
would
be
sr1,
and
I
will
just
sift
through
these
and
I
will
move
on
to
the
next
one.
That's
the
image
of
the
property
planning
commission
did
indoor
stats
7-0
for
e-4.
F
This
is
28
2863
maybank
highway.
It's
approximately
1.59
acres.
It's
two
tms
numbers,
three,
one:
three:
zero:
zero,
zero,
zero
one,
three
five
and
one
three
eight
annex
into
the
city
on
july
19th.
This
is
the
second
reading
for
the
zoning
as
well.
It
would
be
a
general
business
designation.
This
is
the
low
tide
brewery.
I
believe
that
has
annexed
into
the
city
and
just
some
images
here.
F
The
zoning
is
compatible
with
our
plans
and
here's
an
image
of
the
current
business
that
is
in
the
property
and
planning
commission
recommended
for
this
7-0.
Then
we've
got
a
1978
maybank
highway,
which
is
on
james
island.
It's
about
a
third
of
an
acre.
It's
tms
three,
four:
three:
zero:
three:
zero
zero
one,
nine
eight
annex
to
be
annexed
in
the
city
and
it
would
be
zoned
general
business.
F
It's
right
here.
It's
adjacent
to
some
other
general
business
properties.
The
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
this
area
to
be
neighborhood
edge
and
the
surrounding
gb
we
feel
makes
that
a
compatible
zoning
recommendation
here
it
is,
has
been
reviewed
by
the
planning
commission.
Here
you
see
an
image
of
the
property.
It's
had
businesses
in
the
past,
typically
they've
been
food
service.
Businesses
planning
commission
did
review
it
and
recommended
seven
to
zero
for
the
general
business
zoning,
then
e6
is
for
toby
road.
F
It's
an
annexation
coming
into
the
city
that
would
be
zoned
sr2.
It's
nearly
two
tenths
of
an
acre
here.
It
is
in
the
map
view
and
it
is
in
our
suburban
recommended
densities
from
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
the
sr2
is
compatible
with
that
and
planning
commission
did
review
this
and
recommended
7-0
for
its
sr2
designation.
F
E7
is
31
avondale
avenue
another
recent
annexation.
It
would
come
in
as
sr1,
and
let
me
show
you
where
that
is
here.
F
It
is
outlined
in
black
and
it
would
be
in
our
suburban
area
and
our
planning
commission
did
review
this
and
recommended
for
the
sr1
with
a
7-0
vote
and
then
e8
is
five
oakdale
place,
and
this
is
a
recommendation
for
sr1
on
a
0.22
acre
property,
and
it
is
also
in
our
suburban
recommended
area,
and
it
is
there's
a
picture
of
the
house
recommended
by
the
planning
commission
7-0
as
well
and
then
finally
22
oakdale
place,
which
is
being
recommended
for
sr1.
F
C
Thank
you,
mr
morgan,
so
that
was
a
lot
of
properties
they're
all
coming
into
the
city
and
we're
just
giving
them
their
initial
zoning.
So
does
anyone
want
to
be
heard
on
any
of
those
properties
or
matters
coming
in
I'll,
just
quickly
repeat
the
addresses
820
east
estate
boulevard,
2863,
maybank,
highway,
1978,
maybank,
highway,
4,
tavi,
road,
31,
avondale
avenue,
5
oakdale
place
and
22
oakdale
place.
A
Okay,
hello,
yes,
my
name
is
heather
champagne
and
I
live
on
covey
road.
I
I
just
want
some
clarification
on
what
the
zoning
is.
F
Yes,
ma'am,
it's
it's
to
come
into
the
city.
These
folks
are
annexing
into
the
city.
They
will
still
remain
residents.
A
Not
sure
we
were
not
sure
what
that
was,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
clarification.
C
Well
sure
we
can
give
first
reading
to
numbers
three
and
items:
five
through
nine,
correct
and
council
member
appel.
I
C
Councilmember
rappel
is
recused
from
items
four
and
five
all
right
any
further
questions
or
discussions.
Councilmember
waring.
I
need
to.
C
Any
other
questions
or
comments
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
aye
aye.
You
oppose
the
eyes,
have
it
now
for
second
reading
for
number
four.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
discussion
or
questions
all
in
favor.
Please
say
aye
aye
now
for
third
reading
and
ratification
on
number
four.
C
C
Just
for
july
19th
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second
any
deletions,
improvements,
corrections,
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
the
eyes
haven't
next
up
is
our
citizens
participation
period?
Thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
and
sharing,
and
madam
clerk
will
call
your
name
and
how
many
folks
do.
We
have.
E
If
you
don't,
like
tim
scott,
you
love
this
book.
The
forward
in
this
book
is
unbelievable.
I
saw
senator
scott
in
his
book
signing
if
you
don't
like
tim
scott.
This
isn't
a
political
book.
It's
about
our
community
and
his
he's
a
really
solid
brother
and
it's
a
really
good
book
to
read.
If
you
even
got
disagree
with
him,
I
mean
give
a
man
a
chance.
The
u.s
department
just
said
so
right:
division,
federal
coordination
and
compliance,
section
notice
about
investigative
use
of
personal
information.
E
Now
all
the
grants
that
you
do
have
requires
you
to
have
some
notice
of
a
complaint.
So
when
you
get
money
from
the
federal
government,
you
need
to
have
some
complaint
forms
available
for
people
to
sign
at
all
your
meetings,
if
you're
getting
federal
money,
so
I
think
that's
a
major
problem.
I
have
in
terms
of
people
having
the
right
to
be
voluntarily
comply
their
concerns
and
for
me,
I
filed
a
ton
of
them
because
poor
people
had
the
capacity
to
fund
it.
So
I
had
my
my
pacer
has
my
financials
in
four
years.
E
I
was
just
you
know,
throw
and
protest.
That's
one
of
my
old
vines
I
got
on
so
I'd
only
wear.
You
know
better
vines
than
this,
but
this
was
my
commitment
for
four
years
to
find
out
whether
or
not
pope
people
will
get
any
representation
from
the
federal
government.
I
come
to
the
honda
conclusion
that
ain't
real.
You
had
the
second-in-command
of
the
department
of
justice
with
the
mayor
on
the
east
side
and
she
had
no
complaint
forms
for
poor
people,
but
he
played
on
turtle
point
and
quinoa
and
quinoa
eternal
point
playing
golf.
H
J
K
E
A
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
and
members
of
council,
I'm
kashan
draylay
with
the
start,
charleston
foundation,
40
east
bay
street
hcf,
is
supportive
of
the
ordinance
before
you
this
evening
concerning
architectural
merit
and
height.
We
encourage
you
to
give
the
ordinance
first
reading
this
evening,
as
it
will
initiate
an
important
dialogue
that
is
frankly
overdue.
A
In
practice,
architectural
merit
has
been
an
ambiguous
concept
that
has
produced
confusion
for
applicants,
and
the
public
has
not
achieved
the
high
quality
projects
intended
has
resulted
in
two-story
height
jumps
is
now
viewed
as
an
entitlement
rather
than
something
that
is
earned
and
also
litigation
density
and
additions
to
the
housing
stock
can
still
be
achieved
without
this
provision,
and
I
respectfully
urge
council
to
give
first
reading
tonight
this
ordinance
before
you
propose
sensible
changes,
much
needed
clarity,
and
please,
please
don't
consider
not
deferring,
because
I
think
a
deferral
means
that
we
potentially
would
be
incentivizing
a
flood
of
rush
applications
that
are
not
high
quality.
A
Good
evening
y'all,
my
name
is
jennifer
o'brien,
I'm
a
county
resident,
I'm
the
former
executive
director
of
the
women's
south
carolina
golf
association
and
I've
been
a
member
of
the
ladies
golf
association
at
charleston
municipal
for
about
10
years
now,
I'm
asking
y'all
to
consider
installing
permanent
restrooms
on
the
golf
course.
We
have
a
wonderful
problem
at
the
charleston
municipal
golf
course,
and
that
has
become
a
very
popular
course
ever
since
we've
reopened
with
over
60
000
rounds
being
played
each
year.
The
two
existing
portable
bathrooms
are
inadequate
and
unsanitary.
A
I'm
sure
you
can
imagine
the
horrors
that
await
you
inside
these
bathrooms.
In
the
heat
of
the
summer,
I
have
seen
many
folks
forego
the
bathrooms
and
opt
for
a
neighboring
bush
or
tree
charleston
is
the
number
one
travel
destination
and
the
city
needs
to
do
better
to
provide
sanitary
facilities
that
correlate
to
being
the
top
travel
destination.
A
A
Mr
mayor
and
city
council
members,
my
name
is:
keith
marshall.
I've
been
a
resident
of
the
charleston
dairy
for
over
40
years,
and
I've
been
associated
with
the
muni
golf
course
for
over
30
years.
I
want
to
congratulate
you,
mr
mary
and
the
city
council
members
for
the
wonderful
job
y'all
did
in
renovating.
A
A
A
D
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
honorable
members
of
council,
my
name
is
brian
turner,
I'm
the
president
and
ceo
of
the
preservation
society
of
charleston.
It's
honored
to
be
it's
an
honor
to
be
here
tonight
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
height
ordinance
amendments
before
you
and
you
all
have
a
letter
from
us.
You've
seen
the
op-ed
in
the
paper.
So
really
what
I
want
to
tell
you
is
why
it's
bad
idea
to
defer
this
item
tonight,
and
I
echo
the
comments
of
my
colleague,
ms
cash
and
duralay
on
this
as
well.
D
It
would
be
a
mistake
to
defer,
because
swift
passage
is
needed
to
prevent
a
flood
of
bad
building
proposals
that
could
have
lasting
and
detrimental
effects
on
our
city's
landscape.
We're
already
aware
of
one
project
on
george
street:
that's
going
to
the
bar
just
next
week
with
a
seventh
story:
height,
request
under
architectural
merit.
These
waivers
have
become
so
commonplace
that
it's
almost
a
default
for
developers
to
ask
for
them.
This.
The
provision
has
tied
up
the
city
in
expensive
litigation
and
it's
a
waste
of
taxpayer
money.
It's
universally
despised.
D
D
Second,
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
passage
tonight
will
only
initiate
a
public
dialogue
at
planning
commission,
followed
by
another
public
hearing
at
council,
so
there
will
be
further
public.
We
we
look
forward
to
speaking
on
it
in
the
future
and
look
forward
to
helping
educate
everybody
who's
interested
on
this
important
proposal.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
D
D
It's
been
a
long
time
coming
and
I've
been
working
to
get
my
son
back
because
of
my
past.
I
couldn't
get
my
son
today.
My
son
lives
with
me,
and
this
is
as
a
result
of
y'all,
giving
me
a
chance.
A
second
I
want
to
say
to
this
counselor.
I
would
love
if
this
everyone
in
here
give
you
all
a
hand
of
clap,
because
what
y'all
did
for
me
was
so
good,
because
not
only
did
you
save
my
life,
you
saved
the
16
year
old
boy
life
by
giving
me
a
job.
D
So
I
wanted
to
come
here
today
and
say
not
all
top
and
clyde
washington
told
me
that
I
was
going
to
be
something
and
everything
you
all
have
done
for
me
has
made
that
possible,
and
I
wanted
to
come
here
today
and
say
that
I
don't
know
if
that
was
supposed
to
happen,
but
I
wanted
to
speak
my
peace
and
I
thank
this
council.
I
thank
the
young
man's
names
I
had
mentioned.
I
think
everything
you
all
did
for
me,
but
I
would
like
for
my
son
to
tell
you
thank
you.
B
C
L
Thank
you,
obviously,
I'm
the
owner
of
el
jefe
on
king
street,
so
I
know
most
of
most
of
you.
I
believe
I'm
here
for
two
quick
things.
First,
I
want
to
voice
my
support
for
the
late
night.
Ordinance
revision
that's
been
made.
I
don't
think
it's
perfect.
I
don't
think
it
hits
every
every
checks.
Every
box.
I
am
not
in
favor
of
the
annual
renewal.
I
would
like
to
see
it
in
a
bi-annual
renewal
or
maybe
match
the
liquor
license,
because
that's
on
a
two-year
cycle
instead
of
a
one-year
cycle.
L
But
what
I'm
here
tonight
for
is
to
open
your
eyes
a
little
bit
more
about
underage
drinking
on
king
street.
There
is
a
new
tool
in
our
toolbox
that
restaurants
and
bars
can
use.
It's
called
intel
check.
I
know
the
police
department
uses
it.
Sled
used
it,
but
let
me
show
you:
this
is
a
fake
id,
that's
so
good
that
nobody
can
tell
what
it
is
unless
you
scan
it
and
all
you
do
is
scan
it.
L
It
would
have
beeped
if
I
had
my
phone
on
and
it
shows
you
an
alert
and
it
reads
the
barcode,
because
it's
all
in
with
the
dmvs.
This
is
the
best
app
on
the
market.
99
use
a
99
success
rate.
So
what
I'm
asking
the
council
and
mayor
and
the
council
to
do
is
find
some
type
of
way
to
do
a
pilot
program.
Let's
just
start
on
king
street
there's
about
30
or
so
businesses
that
fall
under
the
late
night,
ordinance
rules
for
bars
and
restaurants.
Let's
find
a
way
to
subsidize
the
cost.
L
This
cost
me
about
300
a
month
because
of
the
way
the
number
is
scanned.
Some
places
will
be
more
some
people,
some
places
will
be
less,
but
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
subsidize
it,
maybe
half
the
cost
150
for
six
months
to
get
everybody
on
king
street
to
use
it.
That
would
be
a
total
of
less
than
30
000
to
help
the
businesses
that
need
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
A
While
we've
tried
to
make
the
intersection
a
tool
to
teach
our
daughter
about
being
careful
behind
the
wheel,
it
doesn't
make
the
intersection
any
safer
since
moving
to
the
neighborhood.
Three
years
ago,
we
witnessed
many
collisions
that
could
have
been
avoided.
Had
a
traffic
light
been
in
place
in
our
last
neighborhood
meeting,
we
heard
about
a
potential
funding
issue
due
to
delays
and
scheduling
issue
due
to
the
disturbance
of
bat
habitats.
A
After
working
20
years
in
commercial
industry,
commercial
construction,
industry,
I'm
very
familiar
with
budget
and
scheduling
challenges,
we
need
to
make
sure
the
project
is
fully
funded.
While
proceeding
with
project
asap,
I've
heard
it
takes
eight
months
to
manufacture
the
light
poles
that
gives
us
ample
time
to
bid
the
project
complete
the
clearing
within
the
requested
time,
to
avoid
disturbance
of
wildlife
and
have
a
solution
to
complete
the
funding
for
the
project.
We
can't
afford
to
take
the
one
hurdle
at
a
time
approach
like
we
have
up
to
this
point.
Please
let
me.
C
B
A
You
mayor
city,
council
members,
saving
gadsden
creek
is
compatible
with
the
west
edge
development
if
it
were
redesigned
in
accordance
with
some
of
the
more
current
trends
in.
A
The
gadsden
creek
only
occupies
about
20
less
than
25
percent
of
the
surface
area
of
west
edge.
It
could
be
pulled
back
and
redesigned
and
made
up
for
in
other
ways
with
still
allowing
space
to
restore
the
creek
right
now.
The
way
it's
designed
all
the
water
from
the
impervious
surfaces
from
west
edge
is
going
to
go
through
a
new,
ditch
on
the
other
side
of
fish
burn.
If
the
tide
is
high,
that's
going
to
flood
and
back
up
if
we
preserve
the
creek
that
water
will
be
stored
and
absorbed.
J
D
I
serve
as
chair
of
the
peninsula
neighborhood
consortium.
The
consortium
is
a
group
consisting
of
representatives
from
the
14
historic
charleston,
peninsula,
neighborhood
associations,
the
college
of
charleston
and
the
two
preservation
groups.
The
reason
I'm
here
this
evening
is
to
encourage
you
to
adopt
first
reading
of
the
rental
registration
ordinance.
From
some
perspective.
D
The
peninsula
neighborhoods
have
been
asking
for
this
since
2013.,
it's
been
a
long
time
coming
the
I've
I
I
know,
because
I
was
one
of
the
neighborhood
presidents.
At
that
time
I
lived
for
almost
two
decades
off
of
upper
king
street,
so
I
can
assure
you
we
do
have
a
an
issue
in
our
city
with
absentee
landlords,
particularly
in
some
of
the
peninsula
neighborhoods,
and
the
nuisances
that
these
properties
create
and
the
problem
is.
The
city
has
not
had
a
tool
to
effectively
deal
with
these
property
entries.
D
We
deal
with
the
tenants
through
livability
court,
but
that's
a
band-aid.
It's
a
thousand
dollar
fine
and
they're
gone
the
property
owners
get
away
with
it.
We've
created
a
system
for
short-term
rentals.
It's
been
highly
effective,
we're
asking
for
a
system
that
would
work
for
long-term
landlords
as
well.
I
we
believe
that,
although
maybe
there
can
be
some
more
additional
modifications
as
this
goes
along
and
we
preferred
obviously
the
pilot
to
start
in
canterbury,
ellieboro.
I
A
Echo
his
same
sentiments
we
we,
our
residents,
have.
I
And
managed
by
absolute
landlords,
we're
negatively
impacted
in
many
ways.
Just
a
brief
list.
Garbage
bins
are
left
down
the
street
all
week.
J
Than
foreign
related
people
and
units
house,
parties
with
large
crowds
and
noise
properties
are
overly.
I
J
J
I
And
we
appreciate
this,
we
raised
this
issue
with
the
staff
several
years
ago
and
asked
for
some
sort
of
ordinance
and
we
appreciate
the
work.
That
is,
that
zoning.
N
D
A
Good
evening,
I'm
lynne
cool
jay,
I'm
with
cajun,
I'm
also
an
advocate
of
friends,
gadgets
and
creek.
Now
is
the
time
for
the
city
to
solidify
the
vision
and
strategy
to
support
specific
improvements
in
infrastructure
and
processes
that
will
be
required
to
prepare
for
higher
tides.
These
aren't
my
words.
Instead,
they're
from
the
city's
sea
level
rise
strategy
plan
december
2015.,
the
plans
initiatives
include
purchasing
repetitive
loss
properties
and
using
these
lowlands
to
absorb
future
waterway.
A
It's
time
to
recognize
our
seeds
do
not
respect
civic
boundaries,
work
with
water
for
best
ecological
practices
and
comprehensive
community
health,
not
against
it
in
the
short
term
and
in
the
name
of
economic
expansion
and
money.
For
a
few
respect,
science
respect
the
forces
of
nature
value.
Our
future
generations
reclaim
the
natural
buffer
of
gadsden
creek,
revitalize
it
reinvest
in
charleston
future
to
write
do
justice.
Thank
you.
A
Mayor
councilman,
my
name
is
bob
holt.
I
live
at
six
tully
alley,
I'm
here
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
rental,
permit
ordinance
that
you
have
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
the
rental
registration
ordinance,
which
is
something
we
have
been
lobbying
the
city
for
for
almost
20
years.
What
you
have
in
front
of
you
requires
landlords
to
comply
with
the
international
property
management
code,
which
I
spent
11
hours
becoming
familiar
with
this
weekend
and
what
it
will
do.
It
will
eradicate
level
c
housing
in
the
city.
A
All
housing
will
be
level
a
now,
I'm
a
landlord,
and
I
only
have
level
a
this
does
not
affect
me.
This
affects
the
east
side,
precisely
where
you
seek
to
start
with
this.
It
is
not
something
anyone's
asked
for
it
is
not
something
to
be
done
without
a
lot
of
study
this.
The
unintended
consequences
of
this
are
horrendous.
I
circulated
just
some
provisions
in
there
that
would
be
horrible.
I
circulated
what
is
in
fact
a
registration
procedure.
We
don't
need
more
bureaucracy,
more
administration.
What
we
need
is
something
that's
effective.
Please
take
a
look.
A
A
Hi,
my
name
is
erica
harrison.
I
live
at
18
carolina
street.
I
have
no
objections
to
the
rental
registry
and
in
fact
I
think
it
is
something
that
the
neighborhood
itself
has
canon
borough,
liberal
and
a
lot
of
people
have
been
looking
forward
to
seeing
this
type
of
ordinance
on
the
paper.
A
I
think
one
thing
that
was
troubling
to
me
was
the
fact
that
it
was
going
to
be
implemented
first
and
east
side
and
there's
a
significant
amount
of
reference
to
the
east
side,
especially
in
2021,
and
understanding
that
there's
probably
more
parties
than
necessary.
In
fact,
my
assistant.
A
A
There
are
some
key
points
that
I
thought
I
did
want
to
mention
from
our
comprehensive
plan
and
how
it
would
essentially
affect
us
overall,
and
one
part,
was
the
on
housing
and
how
we
need
to
start
continuing
to
encourage
lower
income,
families
and
residents
in
in
particular
areas,
and
we
know
that
we've
just
lost
the
one
last
family
in
and
borough
and
making
sure
that
they
have
the
ability
to
afford
you
know
bringing
something
up
to
code
or
even
being
able
to
take
it
offline
for
six
months,
based
upon
the
way
this
ordinance
reads
and
also
the
equity
in
prime.
I
Mr
mayor
council
members,
I'm
sam
duncan
I'm
the
neighborhood
relations
coordinator
for
the
college
of
charleston.
My
role
exists
to
ensure
that
the
college
students
are
representing
the
college
well
while
living
off
campus
and
we
hope
they
do
and
actually,
as
a
liaison
between
residents
of
the
peninsula
and
the
college.
I
The
college
supports
the
city's
initiative
to
create
a
rental
registry.
We
believe
this
ordinance
will
help
allow
greater
transparency
when
it
comes
to
how
properties
are
managed
and
help
us
at
the
college
coordinate
efforts
with
landlords
to
prevent
disruptive
behavior
from
student
tennis.
It
requires
landlords
to
communicate
information
like
pickups
for
trash
garbage
and
recycling
to
their
tenants.
Many
cfc
students
renting
on
the
peninsula
have
never
lived
on
their
own.
This
requirement
will
support
us
in
our
efforts
at
the
college
to
educate
off-campus
students
on
their
responsibilities
and
expectations
as
renters.
I
We
understand
that
there
may
need
to
be
some
modification
to
the
language
as
drafted,
but
from
a
policy
perspective.
The
college
of
charleston
supports
this
effort.
We
believe
this
will
help
provide
safer
housing
for
our
students
and
improve
neighborhoods
by
minimizing
violation
of
codes.
Thank
you.
A
A
Following
is
just
simply
the
facts:
common
law,
crime,
known
as
conspiracy,
is
defined
as
accommodation
between
two
or
more
persons
for
the
means
and
purpose
of
accomplishing
an
unlawful
object
or
lawful
object
by
unlawful
means.
A
person
who
commits
the
crime
of
conspiracy
is
guilty
of
a
felony.
What
we
know
we
know
that
the
roads
were
illegally
closed
in
country
club
number
two.
We
know
that
the
city
council
only
approved
a
temporary
barricade.
A
We
know
that
cars
are
parked
illegally
for
an
hour
and
a
half
of
every
school
day
outside
my
house.
We
know
for
a
fact
that
ross
appel
asked
to
not
have
those
cars
ticketed.
We
know
for
a
fact
that
ross
appel
colluded
with
other
members
of
the
neighborhood
to
keep
their
city.
The
legally
closed
roads
closed.
A
We
know
for
a
fact
that
we
should
not.
I
should
not
still
have
to
come
before
you
and
say
why
is
my
father
having
to
suffer
from
these
this
traffic?
We
know
that
he
has
700
percent
more
cars
than
they
do
on
the
other
side
of
the
neighborhood.
They
knew
it
and
now
we
know
it
because
it's
a
traffic
study,
the
traffic
study
they
had
was
2018..
A
Yet
here
I
am
still.
Why
is
that?
Why?
Why
are
you
colluding
with
these
people?
Why?
Why
is
this
going
on?
I'd
really
appreciate
you
solving
this
problem,
either
tear
down
the
trees
or
find
another
opening
reroute
the
school,
it's
in
the
blind.
If
you
want
to
block
the
roads,
you
want
to
stop
a
cut.
F
G
A
A
So
my
name
is
mary:
koster
tomorrow
is
the
first
day
of
school
for
students
and
teachers
here
in
charleston
and
I'll
be
right
out
there
with
them
as
a
science
teacher
educator
and
one
of
the
key
responsibilities
of
all
science
teachers
to
instill
in
our
students.
However,
young
and
our
mayor
is
a
scientist
and
that.
A
A
A
K
Have
kept
our
city
intact
throughout
all
these
years
and
the
sanitation
workers
like
papa
smurf,
who
spoke
before
me
and
sanitation
strikers
from
1969
who
have
kept
our
city
clean
and
livable.
If
you
want
to
live
in
a
city
with
garbage
on
the
streets,
the
tickets
to
new
york
city
at
80,
you
can
stay
there.
There's
you
can
find
a
lot
of
that
there
anyways
this
is
charleston
and
let's
pair
our
people,
so
we
can
have
a
clean
city.
K
K
Attention
to
the
racial
bias
ought
to
bid,
so
we
can
have
a
truly
racial,
sorry
anyways,
that's
all
I'd,
say
I
hope
y'all
prioritize
racial
equity.
Thank
you.
C
K
D
And
those
were
all
the
speakers
we
had.
We
did
receive
some
comments
online.
One
person
said
that
they
commented
at
the
july
19
city
council
meeting
regarding
the
2022
edward
byrne
memorial
grant.
They
requested
a
copy
of
the
common
in
compliance
with
the
privacy
act
of
1974
and
said
policies
should
be
identified
and
practices
at
issue
to
establish
causation
and
disparity
from
the
2000
to
2020
census.
D
They
said
sled
in
the
department
of
justice
did
not
accept
direct
complaints.
One
person
cited
the
crime
of
conspiracy
and
said
that
the
trees
in
the
middle
of
closed
roads
were
illegal.
They
said
the
city
attorney
said
the
roads
were
not
to
be
closed
and
only
temporarily
blocked.
One
person
said
the
city
had
published
a
sea
level
rise
strategy
plan
seven
years
ago,
and
the
purpose
was
to
inform
and
provide
an
overall
strategy
to
protect
lives,
property,
maintain
a
thriving
economy
and
improve
the
equality
of
life.
D
One
person
objected
to
removing
dupont
road
from
zambenburg
boulevard
to
savannah
highway
and
orleans
road
from
san
samaritanburg
boulevard
to
savannah
highway
from
the
jurisdiction
of
the
city's
design
review
board.
They
said
plan
west
ashley
and
the
dupont
wahoo
plan
could
not
be
any
clearer
that
design
control
in
these
areas
is
critically
important
to
the
revitalization
and
orderly
redevelopment
of
west
ashley.
Removing
this
corridor
from
drb
jurisdiction
would
be
contrary
to
a
decade
of
community
planning
and
should
not
be
approved.
The
preservation
society
of
charleston
submitted
a
letter
in
support
of
agenda
item
m1.
D
The
merit
provision
had
been
passed
in
the
spirit
of
encouraging
architectural
excellence,
however,
had
been
abused
by
applicants
in
recent
years.
It
should
be
viewed
as
a
discretionary
option
and
not
a
development
entitlement.
Approval
of
the
amendment
would
ensure
a
robust
public
process,
including
public
hearings
at
upcoming
planning,
commission
and
council
meetings.
They
looked
forward
to
engaging
with
residents,
policy
makers
and
development
professionals
on
this
urgently
important
matter
to
help
address
unprecedented
growth
pressures
and
those
are
all
the
comments
we
received.
C
Thank
you
and
most
everybody's
left,
but
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
tonight
and
sharing
your
comments.
We
really
appreciate
it.
It
was
nice
diversity
of
comments
tonight,
so
that
was
very
nice
for
us.
I
must
admit
all
right.
So
next
order
of
business
is
our
petitions
and
communications.
We
got
a
two
boards
to
approve
hello.
C
N
Thank
you
mayor
for
for
getting
this
added
to
tonight's
agenda.
I
guess
not
sure
who
to
direct
the
questions
too.
So
it
would
be
you.
Is
there
a
staff
member
presenting
on
our
local
first
procurement
policy?
Sir?
Is
there
someone
presenting
on
the
local
first
procurement
policy,
or
am
I
just
asking
general
questions.
N
C
N
N
So
those
are
my
general
questions?
I'm
not.
N
C
So
I
will
share
with
you
that
our
ability
to
track
data
through
our
procurement
is
not
nearly
as
robust
as
I
would
would
personally
like,
and
we
are
updating
our
software
systems
over
the
next
year
or
so,
and
maybe
miss
wharton
could
share
something
on
that
which
would
allow
better
tracking
both
of
our
minority
business
procurement,
women-owned
businesses,
and
we
could
add
local
businesses
as
well.
Okay,
I
don't
know
if
amy
you
got
anything
to
add.
A
Right
now
we're
going
through
the
art
and
rfp
process
for
a
whole
new
enterprise
risk
management
system,
which
will
help
us
collect
better
data
or
keep
track
of
this
type
of
thing.
But
you
know
that's
a
long-term
project.
It's
just
our
current
system
doesn't
really
support
that,
but
we
do
have
some
statistics
that
we
can.
We
can
share
with
you.
D
A
Towards
that
and
we're
also
working
with
bloomberg
right
now,
as
well,
for
with
data
and
procurement
and
and
coming
up
with
a
better
plan
for
all
of
that
as
well.
So.
C
I
didn't
want
to
share
this
would
be
a
good
opportunity
to
share
with
council
that
we
were
invited
by
bloomberg
philanthropies
to
be
one
of
about
20
cities
in
in
north
and
south
america
to
become
something
called
a
city
data
alliance
where
they
pair
us
up
with
some
graduate
students
and
and
management
professionals,
mostly
from
johns
hopkins
university,
and
the
topic
that
we've
chosen
to
seek
their
assistance
is
in
fact
to
improve
our
procurement
policy
and
and
support
being
our
software,
and
all
like
that.
C
So
we
just
started
this
about
two
weeks
ago.
Right
and
it'll
take
a
probably
six
to
nine
months,
like
a
cement
going
through
the
semester
to
get
to
their
recommendations.
But
we,
we
really
have
some
great
expertise
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
rely
on
at
no
charge,
courtesy
again
of
mr
bloomberg
to
help
us
to
get
our
procurement
in
a
better
place
and
to
be
an
opportunity
opportune
time
to
to
review
our
policies
regarding
local
business.
C
We've
had
a
policy
in
place,
but
honestly
reading
it
it
look.
It
looks
like
we
were
targeting
a
segment
of
our
business,
that
it
might
not
be
that
attainable
for
small
business.
It
was
looking
for
business
procurement
items
more
than
thirty
thousand
dollars
and,
as
I
think,
you've
read
and
I
read
as
a
result
of
your
inquiry
that
other
cities
that
have
a
local
business
preference,
if
you
will
tend
to
focus
on
the
smaller
purchases
that
most
smaller
local
businesses
can
more
easily
participate
in.
C
So
our
policy
was
set
years
and
years
ago,
honestly,
it
hadn't
been
that
effective
and
that's
why
I'm
glad
we're
embarking
on
this
review
with
with
bloomberg.
N
C
That
that's
a
good
business
science-
I
don't
know,
I
I
guess,
that's
my
ways
and
means:
okay,.
N
Was
not
my
intent,
but
you
on
the
spot.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
at
some
point
in
the
future
we
can
revisit
this
and
get
some
data.
I
think.
C
O
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
just
want
to
add
to
that.
That
was
it's
interesting,
that
you
brought
that
up
tonight
and
and
said
that
this
was
an
opportune
moment
to
tell
us
about
that.
The
study
that
we
were
involved
in,
I
think
you
know
that
I
asked
I
for
one
as
a
council
member
found
out
on
facebook.
So
this
was
another
issue
I
don't
know
about
y'all,
but
these
type
of
things.
O
I
certainly
wish
that,
when
we're
being
heart,
you
know
asking
to
be
a
part
of
these
studies
or
doing
something
like
that.
I
would
assume
that
it
would
come
to
us
as
a
body
just
to
to
hear,
but
it's
just.
It
was
just
interesting
that
you
said
tonight
was
a
good
time
to
tell
us,
as
it
was
already
told
to
us
on
baseball
club.
C
K
You,
mr
mayor,
as
we
go
about
attempting
to
revitalize
wes
ashley,
there's
some
flexibilities
that
exist
on
the
peninsula,
believe
it
or
not,
that
does
not
exist
west
actually,
and
the
example
I
would
bring
up
would
be
huntington
avenue.
There
were
four
iconic
houses
there
and
I
voted
to
tear
them
down,
but
they
didn't
have
to
go
through
bar.
You
didn't
have
to
go
through
a
design
called
a
review.
We
had
the
right
to
do
it
tonight.
K
We
talked
about
potentially
building
a
new
hope
center
because
we
had
the
flexibility
to
do
that.
We
do
not
have
that
west
ashley.
One
of
the
comments
against
this
topic
was
the
west
plan
west
ashley
plan.
One
of
the
things
that
exists:
wes
ashley,
is
dual
government
on
the
peninsula.
K
We
don't
have
dual
government
so
when
businesses
look
at
building
something
new,
as
in
this
case
the
county
of
san
andreas
psd,
they
have
the
choice
of
coming
talking
to
our
planning
staff
and
our
planning
staff
will
tell
them
about
the
approval
process,
one
being
the
design
corridor
review
and
when
they
look
at
that
additional
cost.
They
speak
with
the
architects.
K
San
andreas
pst
doesn't
have
a
planning
department
like
we
do,
I'm
biased,
but
our
technical
review
process
within
the
city
of
charleston,
I
think,
is
second
to
none.
My
friends
in
the
county.
I
think
our
technical
review
process
with
the
city
is
better.
K
K
We
would
get
no
business
license
fees,
no
property
taxes,
no
accommodation,
taxes,
no
hospitality
taxes
and
the
secret
that
many
people
don't
know
is
that
property
taxes
are
lower
in
the
city.
I
was
born
and
raised
in
the
psd,
and
there
was
a
time
when
there
was
a
huge
difference
in
the
taxation.
It's
tax
savings
by
remaining
in
the
psd,
but
the
little
secret
right
now
that
nobody
wants
to
really
put
in
a
in
the
public
realm
is
that
you
could
save
a
lot
of
money
by
annexing
into
the
city.
K
That
said,
I
don't
want
to
solve
it
tonight,
but
I
did
want
this
to
move
forward
to
the
community
development
committee.
Mr
mayor,
there
are
a
number
of
streets
where
small
business
people
I
can
think
on
on
dupont,
road
between
sam
rittenberg
and
savannah.
I
can
think
of
three
businesses
right
now,
one
a
new
building,
two
of
them
that
had
been
totally
renovated
and
they
did
it
because
they
can
do
it
in
the
county
and
did
not
have
to
do
it.
K
K
The
water
cooler
talk
is
that
our
design
corridor
review
is
becoming
the
bar
west
session
and
that's
not
what
it
was
originally
designed
to
do.
I
will
fight
for
the
bar
on
the
peninsula.
I
admire
the
work
that
our
preservation
organizations
have
done
on
the
peninsula,
but
to
but
wes
ashley
is
not
the
peninsula.
K
So
with
that,
I
would
hope
that
we
can
move
this
forward
to
community
development,
have
a
longer
discussion
and
hopefully
come
back
with
a
better
solution
back
to
the
body
of
the
whole.
Thank
you,
mr
mitchell.
Thank
you.
Councilmember.
G
And
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
appreciate
my
colleague
bringing
us
through
our
attention.
What
he's
referring
to,
if
you
didn't
pick
up
on
it,
is
there's
an
area
on
savannah
highway.
G
It's
in
it's
in
the
county
and
the
owner
is
electing
not
to
end
action
to
the
city
because
of
the
experience
he
had
with
the
design
review
board,
which
is
unfortunate
because
the
revenue
we
lose
on
on
this
particular
project
is
the
property
taxes.
It's
the
business
license
fee,
it's
the
sales
tax,
it's
accommodation
and
hospitality
taxes
that
are
going
to
be
involved
in
this.
It
includes
a
convention
center,
a
400
room,
500
room
hotel,
two,
our
parcels
of
5000
square
feet
each
of
retail
space.
G
G
There
are
some
tweaks
that
just
need
to
be
made,
quite
frankly
with
it
very
dedicated
members
of
that
board.
They
spend
hours
and
hours
on
a
monthly
basis
going
through
the
review
process,
but
sometimes
I
think
they
get
they
get
out
of
their
lane
a
little
bit
it's.
I
understand
the
frustration,
a
lot
of
the
developers
who
are
trying
to
participate
in
the
revitalization
of
west
ashley.
G
So
maybe
this
is
just
an
opportunity.
I
think,
to
look
at
this
as
an
overview.
We
may
want
to
actually
extend
our
jurisdiction
as
opposed
to
reducing
it.
I'm
not
sure
that's
right
avenue,
but
with
the
design
you,
the
design
review
board
does
do
is
provide
some
level
of
consistency
with
wes
ashley,
but
we've
got
to
look
at
it.
I
I
I
hear
the
complaints
and
I
think
that
you're
you're
bringing
this
forward
counselor
awareness.
G
It
deserves
a
lot
of
merit,
one
of
the
things
and
I'm
looking
at
councilmember
sheila
that
we
were
successfully
able
to
address
was
the
development
of
a
gas
station
at
playground,
road
which
all
partners
with
the
saint
andrews
public
service,
district
and
recreation
department
opposed
because
of
this
location.
When
we
were
able
to
defeat
it
was
because
they
had
to
demolish
a
building
that
that
fed
right
into
their
jurisdiction.
G
That
was
over
50
years
old.
It
was
a
back
way
of
door
getting
it
accomplished,
but
we
were
successful
in
getting
that
accomplished.
So
I
hear
you
very
loud
and
clear
and
we
just
need
to
think
of
a
way,
maybe
re-tooling
the
drb
a
little
bit
on
these
corridors.
G
Maybe
you're
right.
Maybe
we
take
it
out,
but
maybe
we
just
re-examined
some
of
the
process
in
doing
this.
So
it's
a
very
good
discussion
to
have,
and
I
think
it's
it's
time
for
us
to
sort
of
take
the
temperature
of
the
drb
and
see
how
what
direction
we
need
to
make
sure
it
is
being
consistent
with
our
plan,
where
essentially.
I
I
can't
resist
councilman
warren.
I
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
forward.
I
think
it's
something
that
that
really
is
worth
taking
a
close
look
at,
because
people
are
willing
to
go
through
unbelievable
regulatory
challenges
on
the
peninsula
to
get
through
our
architectural
review
process
and
we're
better
for
it,
and
the
economics
of
it
tend
to
work.
So
when
you
get
shut
down
by
the
bar
and
you've
got
to
go
back
to
your
architect
and
redraw
your
plans
and
that's
going
to
cost
six
figures
it,
it
is
a
little
bit
more.
I
You
know
of
a
digestible
thing
to
to
take
on
when
you're
looking
at
the
end
product
of
a
development
on
the
peninsula.
I
you
know
not
trying
to
downplay
west
ashley
or
certain
parts
of
west
ashley,
but
those
economics
are
not
the
same,
and
I
think
I
I.
I
really
think
that
you're
right
when
you
say
that
the
peninsula
is
not
like
wes
ashley.
I
think
that's
very
true,
and
so
I
think
you
know
everyone
agrees
in
principle.
I
We
want
to
have
good-looking
design
on
our
major
corridors
throughout
west
ashley
that
that's
not
a
controversial
proposition.
I
think
the
the
issue
is:
how
do
we
get
there
when
you
make
a
body
when
you
make
a
developer,
appear
before
a
quasi-judicial
board
like
the
drb
which
functions
very
similar
to
the
bar?
In
this
instance,
it's
just
a
very
difficult
process.
I
mean
you're
dealing
with
inherently
subjective
concepts
of
architectural
merit
and
compatibility,
and
things
like
that.
You
got
a
bunch
of
different
opinions
from
very
good
meaning.
I
You
know
people
on
the
board,
there's
other
ways
you
can
get
it.
You
know
aesthetic
regulation,
you
can
have
certain
objective
design
standards
included
in
the
code
where
we
just
say:
there's
20
things
we
don't
want
to
see
on
west
ashley,
like
really
obnoxious
type
stuff.
We
can
just
identify
what
those
things
are
and
just
preclude
them
as
a
matter
of
zoning.
So
it
doesn't.
You
don't
have
to
go
in
front
of
this
body.
It
makes
it
a
lot
more
predictable
and
objective
on
the
front.
I
End
makes
it
easier
to
get
folks
through
the
process,
because
in
these
donut
holes
it
is
a
bit
of
a
competition
and
whereas
we
may
be
able
to
provide
a
benefit
from
a
property
tax
or
utility
perspective,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
regulatory
burden
that
way
outweighs
that
in
terms
of
unpredictability
and
costs
and
things
of
that
nature,
we're
not
going
to
be
competitive
and
we're
going
to
have
all
those
negative
results.
So
I
think
this
is
something
that's
accomplishable
and
I
think
it's
something
we
ought
to
spend
some
time
looking
into.
K
Appreciate
my
colleagues
input
because
that's
exactly
what
we
need,
I
would
prefer
if
you
would
allow
councilmember
to
go
to
community
development
and
whenever
we
finish,
if
we
want
to
send
it
to
planning
commission
not.
I
think
that
would
be
fine,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
whatever
planning
sends
forward
we're
going
to,
then
I
just
want
to
hopefully
attempt
to
speed
that
up
by
vetting
it
first
and
one
of
the
things
that
councilmember
pal
brought
out
is
the
competition
aspect
to
it
on
the
peninsula.
K
Again
we
have
unified
government,
they
don't
have
the
option
of
you
know
what
the
bar
forget
them
we're
going
to
do
this
in
the
county,
but
they
have
that
option.
We
have
that
west
of
the
peninsula,
again
west
ashley,
james
island
and,
of
course,
john's
island.
K
So
I
think
our
community
development
committee
could
do
a
great
job
and
not
only
that,
I
think
some
of
those
developers
see
one
of
the
things
that's
happening
here
is
there
unspoken
disagreements
that
some
in
the
in
the
design
community
are
fearful
of
coming
forward
with
for
fair
reprisals
on
the
next
project
and
that's
the
kind
of
thing
we
need
to
get
at
correct,
so
we
can
make
it
more
efficient,
taking
some
of
the
aspects
that
councilman
lapel
said,
put
it
into
some
of
the
code
which
will
make
it
more
expedient.
K
That's
all
I
know
we're
not
going
to
serve
solve
this
tonight,
but
I
think
if
we
could
go
to
community
development
and
obviously
all
you
all
would
be
invited
to
come.
K
But
that's
that's
that's
the
topic
and
I
hope
we
could
go
forward
today.
Mr.
C
So
so
I
I,
I
commend
a
sending
it
to
the
committee
to
have
a
robust
discussion
about
it.
I
I
will
echo
your
comments
about
how
the
bar
over
time
has
worked
so
well
on
on
in
the
historic
district
and
I'm,
I
must
say
that
many
conversations
with
property
owners
and
developers
who
went
through
the
process
and
they
they
agonized
a
little
bit
and
they
complained
a
little
bit
but
then
almost
without
exception
after
they're
all
done.
C
I
I
think
it
was
put
in
place
before
I
was
working
for
mayor
riley
in
the
90s,
but
it
wasn't
that
old,
the
drb
at
that
time
and
there
was
an
adjustment
made
a
council
member
a
few
years
after
the
drb
was
put
into
place
that
adjusted
what
streets
it
even
had
jurisdiction
over
and
applied
to.
So
this
is
not
without
precedent,
but
but
I
just
would
add
that
I
I
think
we
ought
to
be
very
thoughtful
and
not
make
changes.
C
You
know
on
a
whim
or
lightly,
and
I
I
know
that's
not
your
intent
here,
but
but
we
should
be
careful
about
it
because
you
know,
even
though
the
aisle
the
other
parts
of
the
city
are,
are
not
the
historic
districts,
so
you
don't
one
of
the
intents
was
not
to
let
the
rest
of
the
city.
Charleston,
look
like
any
place,
usa
that
we
have
these
designed
jurisdictions
in
place
so
that
we
make
sure
that
we're
a
special
place.
We
have
special
design.
C
We
charleston
will
remain
to
be
unique,
whether
it's
west
ashley
james
island,
john's
island,
downtown-
may
you
know,
be
it
be
a
different
flavor,
so
to
speak
than
the
historical
architecture.
But
I-
and
it
is
a
a
little
quite
a
nuance
of
of
the
donut
holes.
You
know
of
the
competition
of
what
we
do
from
a
approval
point
of
view
versus
the
county
and
that's
all
something
we
need
to
put
into
the
the
pot
here
and
and
think
about,
as
as
we
deliberate
over
it
yeah
councilmember
shea.
G
Just
just
a
quick
comment
based
on
what
you
said
mayor
and
councilmember
warren
said
this
is
the
reason
we
need
to
have
a
robust
annexation
into
west
sasha,
because
this
is
how
we
create
uniformity
and
not
the
sort
of
spot
design
that
is
going
on
out
there
and,
if
everybody's
in
west
ashley's
in
the
city.
Your
argument
about
what
happens
on
the
peninsula
just
fits
right
in
to
play
with
that.
E
Okay,
community
development
made
on
july
21st
at
3
p.m,
and
we
only
had
three
items
under
new
business.
The
first
one
was
increasing,
affordable
rental
units.
We
had
a
lot
of
information
given
to
us
by
heather
dillashaw
from
the
community
development
office,
and
I
mean
she
gave
us
a
lot
of
different
information.
E
I
can't
remember
all
so
we're
not
going
to
go
into
that
part
of
it,
but
you
can
probably
get
with
her
and
she
can
kind
of
update
you
on
some
of
those
information
on
how
many
housing
we
need
220
2
213
units
that
you
know
they're
that's
needed
needed
right
now
and
how
they're
doing
some
rental
assistance
and
increase
to
sustain,
affordable
housing,
and
things
like
that.
E
So
then
we're
going
round
down
to
the
we
had
a
discussion
regarding
frequency
of
meetings
of
the
community
development
committee
of
city
council,
and
I
made
a
statement
at
that
time
that
if
there's
a
special
meeting
need,
we
could
call
a
special
meeting
at
any
time
but
not
have
a
scheduled
meeting
to
schedule
meeting
per
month.
E
So
that's
what
we
would
do
if
a
meeting
is
needed,
then
we
have
to
call
a
special
need
and
I'll
have
the
clerk
to
reach
out
to
all
the
the
committee
members
to
see
who's
available
and
see
what
time
you
can
have
that
it's
not
gonna
conflict
with
another
meeting
and
that's
what
we
would
do
from
now
on.
If
there's,
if
that
time
comes
up
and
arises,
then
the
last
one
I
bought,
I
believe,
was
the
last
was
second
on
the
contender.
But
I
left
this
to
last
is
the
rental
registration
ordinance.
E
That
was
a
lot
of
information
was
given
by
our
planning
director,
and
at
that
point
I
made
the
statement
because
when
they
said
they
was
going
to
have
the
program
in
the
east
side
the
pilot
program
in
the
east
side-
and
I
had
a
problem
with
it
because
of
the
fact
that
I
heard
about
it
at
the
community
development
committee
meeting-
that's
the
first
I
heard
of
it
and
when
I
got
in
my
community
and
I,
as
I
mentioned
to
them,
I
get
beat
up
in
my
community.
E
They
don't
be
in
my
community
and
I'm
knocking
anyone
into
playing
commission.
This
is
what's
happening
so
because
they
figure
that
every
time
something
like
this
happen
is
always
coming
in
the
african-american
community
and
wiping
them
out.
This
is
what
it
is.
The
affordability
is
not
there
as
it
used
to.
E
This
has
changed
in
the
east
side
a
lot,
but
we
know
with
this
type
of
information
with
this
type
of
artist
that
coming
now
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
afford
to
have
when
they
have
someone
to
come
and
look
at
the
the
house
that
they're
renting
and
have
to
do
all
these
repairs.
They're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
afford
to
do
it
to
bring
it
up
that
type
standards
and
that's
gonna,
wipe
it
out
more,
which
is
going
now
anyway.
E
E
I
would
I
attend
all
my
neighborhood
meeting,
even
elebr
cannonbar.
There
was
asking
for
this
years
ago
since
I've
been
counseled
years
ago
that
they
wanted
something
like
this
to
come
forward
and
with
a
book
with
the
registration
part
of
it.
I
believe
they
would
even
buy
into
the
registration
part
of
it,
but
with
all
those
other
entities
that
they
have
in
that
ordinance
uh-uh.
No,
no,
I'm
not
going
to
support
it.
E
The
way
it
stands,
but
we
voted
on
the
committee
is
to
send
the
council
and
that's
the
only
thing
that
we
are
proven
to
say
to
council,
so
they're
going
to
have
the
liberation
on
it
to
see
where
it's
going
from
that.
So
that's.
The
only
thing
I
need
to
have
to
approve
is
sending
it
to
council
from
the
community
development.
C
You
we
got
a
motion
in
a
second
actually,
the
the
first
reading
of
the
rental
registration
ordinance
would
require
a
vote
of
council.
Do
you
all
want
to
include
that
as
part
of
the
report
or
vote
on
that
separately,
separate
yeah,
all
right?
Well,
let's
other
than
the
ordinance.
Let's
accept
the
report
from
community
development.
Correct
any
discussion
about
the
other
items,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
now?
Could
I
for
discussion
purposes?
E
I
will
I
would
have
made
the
motion
that
we
are
a
man
if
business
go
on
and
go
with
the
registration
part
of
it
and
all
that
other
things
that
they
have
in
there.
Just
put
that
aside
for
right
now
and
let's
go
with
the
registration
and
also
look
at
ellie
bar
the
cannonball,
I
think
they
can
you
really.
You
know,
look
at
it
and
give
you
a
lot
of
different
information
with
all
the
landlords
and
everything
that's
in
that
particular
area.
E
They
can
pull
it
up
and
they'll
borrow
cannonball,
because
that's
they're,
the
one
that
was
asking
me
for
this
a
long
time,
the
east
side,
they
say
a
smaller
version.
So
that's
why
they're,
starting
on
the
east
side?
First,
I
told
them.
I
have
a
problem
with
it
and
I
still
have
a
problem
with
that
going
in
the
east
side,
but
with
the
registration
part
of
it.
If
you
just
go
with
the
registration
and
let's
see
what
that
doing
the
pilot
program,
I
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
that,
and
I
can
that's.
A
J
A
C
All
right
discussion,
council,
member
seeking.
J
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
so
I
wasn't
going
to
talk
about
this
tonight,
but
I'd
like
to
just
make
a
few
comments.
Back
in
2012
and
2013
we
had
drafted
and
moved
or
tried
to
move
forward
a
rental
registration
loan.
That's
been
called
on
for
a
long
time.
It
was
revenue
neutral.
All
it
was
was
to
register
landlords
to
live
within
30
miles
of
the
property
that
they
owned
in
the
city
of
charleston.
J
J
J
I
think
all
right
council
member
greg
is
now
the
official
member
of
this
committee
or
knows
if
we've
even
adopted
that
in
the
city
of
charleston,
have
we
okay
have
we
ever
enforced
it
where's
dan?
I
mean
it.
I
just
I'm
sitting
here
reading
it
I
mean
it's
it
it.
It
is
very
comprehensive
and
sweeping
code
that
puts
upon
municipalities
an
obligation.
I
guess
we
adopted
to
enforce
certain
issues
in
on
private
landlords.
J
Will
agree
with
me:
we've
needed
it
since
we
tried
to
get
it
out
of
a
committee
nine
years
ago,
but
I
don't
think
this
is
the
answer,
because
one
of
the
problems
is,
it
can't
be
revenue
neutral
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
Because
I
talked
to
dan
today
and
I
said:
if
we
adopt
this
pilot
program,
how
many
people
do
you
need
just
to
enforce
it
as
a
pilot
on
the
east
side?
J
E
J
It
I
I
think,
that's
the
way
to
go.
Mr
man,
I
seconded
it
for
a
reason.
I
we'll
see
what
my
colleagues
have
to
say
about
that,
but
that
that's
the
way
to
go-
and
I
do
also
think
we've
got
a
neighborhood
who's
come
here
and
asked
to
be
part
of
this
pilot
program.
Let's
give
it
to
him.
If
we
can,
if
we
can,
he
said
it
has
not
to
be
so.
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
think
all
the
downtown
neighborhoods
would
like
to
have
this
on
the
books
as
a
registration
ordinance.
J
G
The
gentleman
who
came
up
and
said
he
read
this
thing
about
four
or
five
times
and
was
confused.
I
agree.
I've
read
this
thing
four
or
five
times,
and
I'm
still
confused
about
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
with
this
thing
as
written,
so
either
we
exercise
out
of
this
draft
specific
sections,
so
we're
all
very
clear
of
what
we
want
out,
or
we
just
defer
this
and
ask
staff
to
come
back
with
a
very
clear,
probably
one
page
ordinance
that
accomplishes.
G
I
think
what
we're
doing
here
as
it's
written,
is
going
to
be
even
more
confusing
unless
we
just
have
a
clean
copy
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
We
just
we
want
the
registration
period
and
I
agree
100
with
that.
I
remember
the
discussions
the
council
had
before
I
was
on
council
about
this,
and
this
has
been
dotted
around
and
I
never
understood
and
thank
you
for
the
explanation.
I
never
understood
why
this
was
so
complicated
in
getting
it
done.
G
C
Councilmember
the
way
I
understand
it,
the
key
thing
that
has
been
requested
to
be
removed
has
to
do
with
the
inspections
and
the
building
codes
come
to
remember
about
them.
I
I
was
just
gonna
make
a
motion
to
defer-
I
just
don't.
I
don't
want
to
be
in
the
business
of
amending
this
on
the
fly
and
not
knowing
what
I'm
voting
on.
So
I
think
it
would
just
make
a
lot
more
sense
to
come
back
with
a
at
our
next
meeting
with
a
with
the
registry
portion
of
this
stripped
out.
That
seems,
like
we've,
got
pretty
broad
agreement
on.
C
We
got
a
motion
to
defer
in
a
second,
I
do
want
to
call
on
councilmember
appel,
because
he
had
raised
his
hand
before
the
motion.
I
Yeah,
I'm
in
full
agreement
that
having
a
registration
program
makes
sense.
You
know
I
voiced
this
comment
at
the
community
development
committee
meeting.
I
You
know,
prior
to
this
item
being
discussed,
we
had
a
presentation
from
an
individual
who's,
an
expert
in
homelessness
and
the
regulatory
barriers
that
local
governments
have
in
in
that
stand
in
the
way
of
of
attainable
housing.
For
for
folks-
and
we
talked
all
about
how
there
was
this
big
unintended
set
of
consequences,
you
can
have
with
very
well-meaning
regulation,
and
the
next
thing
we
talked
about
on
the
agenda
was
a
new
regulation
that
was
going
to
have
adverse
impacts
to
affordable
housing
and
I'm
not
trying
to
beat
up
this
process.
I
I
think
we're
all
in
wild
agreement.
This
is
a
very
well
drafted
ordinance
that
took
a
lot
of
staff,
time
and
resource.
I
want
to
give
credit
to
our
staff
for
putting
this
together,
but
I
mean
I
have
to
say:
I
mean
if
you
sat
around
and
and
tried
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
just
accelerate
gentrification
and
eliminate
affordable
housing
on
the
east
side.
This
is
what
you,
which
you
would
do.
You
would
require
all
landlords
to
come
into
compliance
with
these
code
requirements
which
sound,
very
good
on
a
very
abstract
level.
I
Of
course,
I
want
everything
to
be
code
compliant
and
everything
to
be
incredible,
but
you're
hiring
contractors
you're
going
to
have
to
spend
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars.
People
are
going
to
take
this
rental
inventory
off
the
market
very
well
intentioned,
but
I
think
somewhere
along
the
line,
we
kind
of
got
a.
We
lost
our
way
a
little
bit.
Let's
require
folks
that
are
renting
their
properties
on
the
peninsula,
especially
in
neighborhoods
that
want
it
register
with
us.
Tell
us
who
you
are.
I
If
you
know
your
college,
you
know
tenants
are
throwing
a
rager
it's
three
in
the
morning
like
that's
what
this
is
about,
so
I
think
we
can
get
there.
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
reign
it
in
a
little
bit.
I
think
we
can
do
it,
but
you
know
it's
it's
just
it's
just
we.
I
find
ourselves
in
this
situation
a
lot
where
there's
just
these
unintended
consequences,
a
very
well-meaning
measures-
and
you
know
what
I
would
suggest
is
maybe
before
we
spend
the
time
and
energy
and
staff
resources
on
this.
I
This
is
very
well
written.
Let's
kind
of
have
this
reality
check
a
little
bit
sooner
rather
than
later,
so
we
don't
have
to
get
so
far
afield
to
have
to
reign
it
all
in
because
you
know
it's
a
shame
that
I
have
to.
I
mean
I'm
someone
who
likes
ordinances
and
the
way
it
all
fits
together.
This
is
a
very
nice
piece
of
work.
It's
just
unfortunate
that
we're.
I
C
Well,
if
I
may
make
a
comment,
and-
and
honestly
I
wouldn't
mind
us
voting
given
that
first
reading
with
the
removal
of
the
inspection
part,
that
seems
to
be
the
most
bothersome
to
folks,
but
whether
we
do
that
tonight
or
at
the
next
meeting,
I
do
want
to
make
the
case
to
y'all
that
we
should
leave
the
accountability
portion
in
the
ordinance.
C
C
It's
just
really
an
avenue
for
our
livability
department
to
have
a
very
meaningful
conversation
with
the
landlord
about
about
what's
going
on
at
the
property,
and
so
I
think
that's
important
for
for
neighborhoods
for
livability
and
if
y'all
don't
mind
could
could
we
ask
dan
riccio
just
to
comment
on
a
few
aspects
of
this,
because
I
know
he
would
like
to
share
with
us
and
could
I
do
that
first
council
member
mitchell
and
then
come
back
to
you
or
you
want.
You
want
to
go
first,
go.
E
Ahead
counsel,
just
with
you
know,
councilman
pal
said
even
when,
if
we
do
the
registration
and
you
want
to
keep
there
with
the
fines,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
fines,
the
first
fine,
the
second
time
with
the
landlords.
That's
I
don't
have
problems
with
that.
So
if
they
want
to
include
that
part
of
it
along
with
the
registration,
that's
that's
all
right,
but
the
rest
of
those
things
I
mean
when
the
person
have
to
do
inspection
and
all
that
you
know
just
they
have
to
go.
M
Yes,
the
the
draft
ordinance
is
is
written
very
well
thanks
to
miss
magaly
creech
over
here
I've.
I've
been
communicating
quite
regularly
for
the
last
month
and
a
half
with
josh
dix,
who
is
the
director
of
the
board
of
governors
for
the
realtors
association
for
charleston.
A
very
big
organizations
covers
a
lot
of
area,
a
lot
of
realtors.
M
He
sent
an
email
today
to
all
of
you
and
to
me
he's
not
supportive
of
the
inspection
component,
which
is
evident
here
with
with
concerns
with
counsel,
but
he
is
very
supportive
of
the
punitive
part
of
it
for
landlords
he
he
agrees.
It's
not
invasive.
M
It's
fair
and
believes
that
the
low
percentage
of
these
landlords
that
are
not
doing
the
right
thing
need
to
be
held
accountable.
He
asked
for
first
reading.
He
asked
that
I
beat
with
them
at
one
of
their
large
meetings
on
thursday
to
iron
out.
It
says
in
here
they
will.
We
want
the
first
reading
I'll
be
coming
to
their
meeting
to
discuss
and
they
can
iron
out
the
differences
before
the
second
reading.
His
words
so
deferring
this
we've
been
working
on
it
a
long
time.
M
It's
only
going
to
delay
it
a
little
bit
more.
I
hear
you
as
far
as
doing
the
city-wide
right
up
front.
I
don't
want
to
set
this
up
for
failure.
It's
got
to
be
done
in
smaller
components
to
make
it
work
and
be
effective,
so
a
smaller
area.
That's
why
the
the
the
east
side
was
picked
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
The
data
showed
that
the
percentage
of
of
calls
in
relation
to
the
percentage
of
rental
properties
there
were
very
high.
These
are
disturbance.
Calls
nuisance,
calls
loud
parties,
things
of
that
nature.
M
Plus
it's
it's
a
smaller
piece
of
community
that
we
we
can.
We
can
digest
rather
than
take
on.
You
know
the
whole
plate.
So
that's
why
we're
asking
for
that
portion
of
the
city,
not
because
of
situations
that
have
had
in
2021
and
2022,
but
strictly
based
on
the
data
that
showed
during
our
research
as
staff,
so
they're,
supportive,
if
they're,
supportive,
they're
the
ones
that
were
not
supportive
when
we
went
into
2013
the
first
time
this
they
basically
ran
me
out
of
their
office.
M
It
was
not
fun,
so
I'm
glad
to
have
the
director
of
this
whole
association
on
our
side
and
an
ally.
I've
been
very
transparent
with
him.
I've
gone
line
by
line
and
again
he
he
and
his
fellow
realtors
did
not
like
the
inspection
component
either,
but
the
other
registry
and
the
punitive
are
the
to
hold.
M
Accountability,
sorry,
he
was
all
in
favor
for
so,
if
you
give
us
first
reading,
we'll
iron
out
before
the
next
council
meeting,
and
so
we
can
get
on
and
and
get
this
done
sooner
than
later,
councilmember.
N
N
You
dan,
basically,
I
mean
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
from
folks
on
council.
I
don't
think
we're
far
off.
I
think
we're
probably
going
to
get
to
a
place
where
we're
all
in
agreement.
I
think
we
all
agree
that
we
want
the
registry.
N
I
would
like
us
to
have
an
additional
continue
to
have
the
conversation
I'm
not
going
to
support
a
deferral.
Staff
has
worked
hard
on
this.
I
think
we're
in
this
place
because
we're
not
providing
them
specifics
on
what
we're
asking
for
what
we
need.
I
would
I
do
think
the
accountability
piece
is
important.
I
do
think
the
registry
is
important.
I
think
it's
clear
from
folks
on
council
that
none
of
us
have
the
appetite
for
the
inspection
piece
which
I
do
believe
to
councilman
pell's
point.
N
It's
just
we're
creating
more
bureaucracy
than
we
need,
and
it's
creating
more
complex
complexity
that,
frankly,
we
just
don't
need.
So
if
we
could
entertain
continue
to
have
in
the
conversation
tonight,
I
would
that
would
be
awesome
to
do.
If
we're
going
to
defer
it,
I'm
not
going
to
support
a
deferral.
I
think
we
just
owe
it
to
the
staff,
and
we
owe
to
the
folks
that
have
come
tonight
to
move
this
on
to
the
next
place.
I
think
step
staff
knows
what
we're
asking
for.
N
C
So
councilmember
parker
and
then
waring.
O
M
Well,
it's
been
evolving
over
the
past.
What,
since
2013,
it's
been
a
strong
suggestion
by
all
the
neighborhoods
that
are
affected
by
these
rental
properties,
predominantly
rented
by
college
students
throwing
parties
our
biggest
biggest
barrier
are
the
llc's.
M
It's
not
as
easy
as
people
think
reaching
out
and
touching
these
people,
because
we
have
had
situations
where
one
llc
would
lead
to
another
and
then
another
with
the
registered
agent
being
the
attorney
that
closed
for
that
llc.
M
M
No,
so
it's
it's
really,
I
would
say
95
percent
pushed
by
the
community,
these
neighborhood
representatives
that
have
been
directly
affected
over
the
years.
The
college
has
been
asking
for
it.
The
city
has
been
asking
for
it,
so
it's
been
a
a
combination
of
different
members
of
the
community
in
the
city.
Wanting
this
to
happen,
it
wasn't
a
spur
of
the
moment
thing.
G
M
First
time
in
2013
it
did
not
work,
it
did
not
wasn't
successful
and
we're
played
with
the
same
problem
and
I
get
all
the
same
complaints.
Why
aren't
you
getting
this
done
faster
and
if
we
had
this
tool
of
being
able
to
reach
out
and
touch
someone
much
quicker
than
later,
I'm
telling
you
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
very
positive
thing.
C
It
doesn't
exist,
there's
so
one
of
the
things
that
prompted
it
I
mean
when
I
got
got
elected,
I'd,
heard
the
war
stories
about
2013
and
how
this
was
opposed
and
all
like
that
and
honestly,
I
attended
a
municipal
association
meeting
here
in
charleston
and
the
columbia
police
department
was
doing
a
presentation
about
public
safety
and
particularly
around
the
university
in
five
points,
and
they
talked
about
the
fact
that
they
had
one
of
these
ordinances
in
place
and
meg
and
business
and
neighborhood
services
had
looked
into
it
a
couple
of
years
ago
when
we
were
talking
about
vacant
properties
on
king
street.
C
K
A
K
You
know
that
butt
was
coming
yeah.
I
got
an
email
from
mr
dicks
at
9
39
this
morning
and
I
responded
back
to
him
at
9
57.
K
16
minutes
later,
and
I
asked
him
explain
to
me
why
this
isn't
a
huge
infringement
on
property
owner
rights.
I
have
yet
to
hear
from
mr
dixon.
K
I
checked
you
and
I
don't
need
to
get
it
back
and
forth.
I
checked
mine.
That
was
my
initial
reaction.
When
I
read
this,
I
think
it's
a
huge
infringement
on
property
owner
rights.
There's
something
need
to
be
done.
I
agree
with
you
councilman
this.
Isn't
it
and
I
think
we're
making
sausage
on
the
floor.
That's
what
we're
doing
right
now
and
we
do
not
do
good
work
all
13
of
us.
We
do
not
do
good
work
when
we
do
sausage
work
on
the
floor.
We've
done
it
before
I've
been
a
part
of
it.
K
K
K
We
can
do
better,
we
sent
it
back
to
committee,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
answer
this
question
for
me,
mr
riccio
and
you're
right
about
the
finding
and
trying
to
track
down
ownership
from
one
llc
to
another,
only
to
find
a
brick
wall
with
an
attorney
being
an
agent
when
we
come
up
with
some
sort
of
registry,
I
believe
we
do.
G
K
The
registry
help
you
navigate
through
the.
K
K
M
Are
a
majority
of
the
absentee
landlords,
specifically
in
the
downtown
areas
that
surround
the
college
of
charleston
those
neighborhoods?
That
is
the
problem,
the
ones
that
live
out
of
state,
even
the
ones
that
are
local,
tend
to
be,
even
though
we
can
get
in
touch
with
them,
tend
to
be
challenging.
Continuous
livability
court
visits.
It's
not
complicated
to
find
some.
It's
just.
This
increases
the
tools
to
be
able
to
expedite
any
complaints
we
get
in
a
timely
manner.
I.
K
M
It's
going
to
be
required
through
this
registry
that
the
owner
of
this
property
must
designate
a
responsible
person
that
lives
within
30
miles
of
charleston
to
be
able
to
be
contacted
in
a
timely
manner.
That's
the
biggest
tool
here,
someone
even
though
they
live
in
new
york
or
wherever
they
have
to
designate
somebody
within
30
miles
of
the.
E
M
Of
charleston
to
respond
and
be
able
to
communicate
with
us
in
a
timely
manner.
That's
what
this
biggest
bonus
of
this
ordinance
is.
C
Understand
just
from
a
process
point
of
view,
though,
could
I
request
that
I
think
we
have
pretty
good
consensus
here
amongst
us,
I
mean
we
all
agree
with
councilmember
mitchell.
C
Can
we
just
bring
it
back
to
the
body
as
a
whole,
rather
than
going
back
to
a
committee,
because
I
think
we
know
to
pare
this
thing
down?
We've
been
listening
to
comments
of
of
committee.
It's
been
the
committee
once
before,
got
approval
actually
to
come
to
this
body.
It
just
saved
us
another
month.
I
don't.
I
don't
want
this
to
die
in
the
committee,
like
it
did
in
2013.
C
B
You
know
due
respect
mayor.
I
really
think
that
we
should
send
this
to
the
appropriate
committee
and
take
all
the
information
that
we've
gotten,
because
we've
gotten
comments,
I've
gotten
extensive
comments
on
how
we
can
change
it
and
make
it
better.
I
don't
think
that
I
should
discuss
that
here.
B
I'd
like
to
have
some
discussion
in
the
committee,
I'd
like
to
share
that
with
legal.
I
just
don't
think
this
is
the
way
to
do
it.
I
think
we
should
defer
this
and
send
it
back
to
committee
and
then
committee
sends
something
that
everyone's
satisfied
with
to
the
body
of
the
whole.
That's
my
position
here.
C
The
motion
on
the
floor
is
to
defer
councilmember
sheila
a
good
council
member
fountain.
B
N
I
I
remember
this
came
out,
but
my
intention
was
to
defer
and
then
bring
the
very
simple
registry
piece
with
the
enforcement
certainly
back
to
us
at
our
next
meeting,
and
then
I
think
those
other
policy
pieces
that
are
that
are
in
here
can
be
worked
on
separately.
I
think
those
should
go
back
to
the
committee
and
be
workshop
really.
These
are.
I
These
are
probably
ideas
that
have
kind
of
been
floating
around
staff
for
some
time
and
and
that's,
I
think,
the
proper
way
to
do
it,
but
there's
there's
clear
agreement
on
certain
things.
I
just
don't
want
to
vote
on
something
that
I
haven't
seen
absolutely
it's
a.
I
do
think
that
small
piece
should
come
straight
back
to
us.
We
understand
councilmember.
J
Seeking
just
briefly
I
mean
if
the
referral
goes,
I
agree
I
mean
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
this
ordinance
has
drafted
does
it
has
two
components
to
it:
it's
got
the
registration
component
to
it
and
it's
got
the
permitting
component
to
it
and,
and
we
can
handle
that
I
mean
we
want
registration.
We've
heard
it,
we
want
registration,
that's
got
teeth
to
it,
that
mandates
that
a
person
can
be
contactable.
That's
gonna
be
tough
to
do,
but
we
we
can
work
through
that
there's
a
punitive
aspect
to
it:
the
permitting
side.
J
We
have
a
way
to
do
that
and
that's
to
acquire
business
licenses.
I
mean
we
don't
need
to
go
through
that
whole
thing.
So
if
we
can
get
a
simple
registry
and
we've
got
one
on
the
book,
we've
we've
drafted
this
already,
we've
got
it
out.
There.
We've
brought
it
to
this
body
before
with
a
measure
in
there.
That
gives
us
some
ability
to
have
some
teeth
to
it.
J
But
if
we
pare
this
down
to
just
a
registry,
we
can
do
it
as
a
pilot,
but
everyone
else
is
gonna
be
screaming.
For
it
I
mean:
there's
gonna
be
a
consortium
meeting
tomorrow
night,
when
we
can
report
this
back
to
them.
They're
all
gonna
be
like
we
want
this,
so
we
need
to
put
in
something
in
place.
That's
manageable!
J
That's
understandable!
It's
simple!
That
gets
the
registrations
in
place,
and
then
we
can
talk
later
about
this
whole
permitting,
which
is
again
it's
it's
effectively.
Business
license
it's
what
it
is,
and
that
gives
us
the
business
license.
Ordinance
in
place
gives
us
lots
of
team
lots
of
them.
We
then
can
control
all
sorts
of
things.
So
so
I
I'm
going
to
support
the
deferral.
I
do
think
with
all
the
respect.
J
C
G
Have
to
make
sure
you
add
one
more.
I
have
a
question
for
legal
if
I
could
ask
a
legal
department,
so
when
an
llc
is
is
created,
they
they
have
a
agent
they
have
when
they.
When
somebody
incorporates
in
the
state
of
south
carolina,
they
have
an
agent,
they
designate
an
agent
for
service
that
person
may
or
may
not
live
within
the
30
mile
radius.
G
So
if,
if
we
designate
somebody
who's
quote
unquote
a
responsible
person
that
has
no
legal
impact
whatsoever,
they
can,
they
could
theoretically
name
a
tenant
to
be
the
responsible
person.
Right
I
mean
I'm
just
I'm
sorry.
I
want
you
to
walk
with
me
of
this
process
a
little
bit
so
so
the
idea
that
dan
is
talking
about
is
having
to
take
behind
this
registration
is
be
able
to
reach
out
and
touch
somebody
physically
and
say:
hey
we've
got
a
problem
and
we
you've
got
to
be
the
responsible
person
to
solve
the
problem.
G
G
M
G
Just
saying
that's
exactly
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
here:
you
can,
you
could
be
a
property
owner
and
registered
in
the
state
of
new
york
or
say
the
connecticut
or
state
of
georgia
and
you've
got
a
registered
agent
that
unless
that
person
is
verified
by
us
as
a
responsible
party,
then
all
this
is
just
an
exercise
in
futility,
because
the
register,
the
responsible
party
has
gotten
to
be
somebody.
Who's
got
a
connection
to
the
legal
entity
who
owns
this
land
and
that's
what
you've
got
to
figure
out.
C
D
Want
to
clarify
that
as
part
of
the
requirement
for
the
application
process,
the
applicant,
whether
it's
the
landlord
or
an
agent
which
can
be
a
property
management
company,
has
to
designate
this
local
responsible
representative,
and
so
we
could
certainly
modify
it
to
make
that
person.
If
it's,
if
it
is
a
corporate
entity,
be
a
member
of
that
entity.
But,
right
now
as
it
stands,
it
could
be
a
family
member
they're.
G
I
think
you'll
miss
an
understanding
what
I'm
trying
to
say
here.
You
can
designate
somebody
to
be
a
responsible
party
okay,
but
when
you
go
to
that
responsible
party,
you
want
to
have
the
ability
to
make
that
responsible
party
do
something
to
correct
the
problem
and
if
you
just
have
somebody
in
name
only
they're,
just
a
strong
responsible
party,
I've
seen
this
happen.
I've
sued
you've
got
to
make
sure
that
that
person
has
got
a
some
skin
in
the
game.
If
you
don't
have
that
person
have
skin
in
the
game.
G
C
Thing
well
again,
I
think
the
accountability
part
of
this
ordinance
is
lies
elsewhere
and
beyond
the
designation
of
the
party.
So
this
is
going
to
come
back
to
us.
We'll
have
opportunity
to
straighten
these
things
out
right
now.
The
motion
on
floors
prefer
any
other
comments
on
the
deferral
hearing.
None
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
right,
all
right
the
oppose
no
the
eyes
have
it.
It
will
come
back
to
us
shortly.
A
D
E
D
C
That
that
the
intent
as
expressed
by
the
maker
of
the
motion
was
that
the
matter
would
come
back
to
this
city
council
as
a
whole.
C
B
The
committee
on
human
resources
met
on
august
3rd
2022,
and
our
first
discussion
was
on
the
medical
plans
and
it
was
preliminary
because,
as
most
of
you
know,
we
are
in
fact
self-insured
and
we're
now
in
the
process
of
trying
to
find
out
who
will
be
administering
that
program
for
us
of
which
we
will
be
dealing
with
later
on.
I
think
next
week,
so
that
we
can
make
a
recommendation
to
the
body
of
whole.
B
We
did
have
extensive
discussion
on
our
vacancies
very
similar
to
the
presentation
that
the
human
resource
department
had
given
to
the
body
of
a
whole
nothing
changed.
We
did
also
talk
a
bit
about
job
reclassifications.
B
However,
our
human
resource
division
did
come
up
with
a
way
of,
perhaps
eliminating.
B
I
think
it's
six
and
collapsing
six
and
seven
and
that's
how
we're
able
to
get
to
the
recommendations
that
were
approved
by
council
and
ways
and
means
with
respect
to
using
the
salary
savings
in
order
to
do
a
mid-course
correction
with
regard
to
giving
the
15
minimum
to
those
folks.
At
that
level.
B
We
also
again
talked
about
pay
discussions
just
in
general
and
of
course
again,
we
voted
on
making
sure
that
there
is
in
fact
a
bonus.
I
think
of
twelve
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
across
the
board,
and
we've
already
approved
the
recommendation
with
regard
to
the
bonus,
as
well
as
the
salary
raises,
and
that
was
passed
unanimously
by
the
committee
I'll
go
into
licensing,
mr
mayor,
which
is
the
next.
I
think.
C
We
should
approve
the
report
from
human
resources.
First,
that's:
okay
with
y'all
any
discussion.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
committee
for
your
work
because
it
did
lead
to
those
approvals
tonight
at
ways
and
means
yes
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye,
aye,
aye
close
the
eyes.
Have
it
now
the
license
committee
report?
Okay,.
B
The
license
committee
had
one
issue
and
that
was
to
repeal
and
replace
chapter
17
licenses
and
permits
that
was
voted
on
unanimously
by
the
licensing
committee,
and
now
it's
brought
before
this
body
to
recommend
approval
and
it
needs
a
second
second.
C
All
right
and
any
discussion
on
this,
this
ordinance
on
the
late
night
establishment,
council
member
parker.
O
O
You
know,
calls
and
emails
regarding
this
and
I
didn't.
Are
we
not
going
to
have
a
presentation
or
anything
regarding
this
new
ordinance,
because
I
do
think
that
there
are
some
items
in
this
ordinance
that
should
maybe
be
revisited.
We
can't.
O
Sure
so
what
I
hear
from
some
folks
is
kind
of
a
two
strikes:
you're
out
system
and
a
mayor
appointed
position.
To
sort
of
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
say
police
it,
but
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say.
C
O
Right,
I
certainly
take
issue
with
those
two
items.
I
understand
and
I
had
a
great
conversation
with
deputy
chief
today.
I
I
understand
this
is
something
we
need
downtown,
but
these
two
items
are
certainly
something
that
I
think
should
be
revisited
and
definitely
specify
what
these
you
know.
Two
strikes
are
a
little
they're,
very
broad.
I
don't
know
if
you
read
through
it,
but
they're
very
broad,
so
these
two
strikes
you're
out
can
can
eliminate
someone
from
that
two-hour
window
of
business.
O
You
know
from
something
as
little
as
a
you
know.
I
think
a
door
being
open
and
noise.
You
know,
violation
to
you,
know
someone
selling
drugs,
that's
the
same
strike
as
someone
sell.
You
know
someone
selling
drugs
inside.
I
think
that
maybe
some
of
those
items
need
to
be
tweaked.
So
if
we're
giving
first
reading
to
this,
or
is
there
going
to
be
time
to
tweak
this
and
revisit
a
couple
of
those
items
right?
I
just
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
if
any
other
council
members
are
in
favor
how?
O
O
A
O
Violate
this
you're
here,
if
you
violate
that
you're
there
I
just.
I
know
that
there's
this
is
obviously
the
first
that
I'm
seeing
this.
So
you
know
I
I
had
to
wrap
my
head
around
it
pretty
quickly
to
understand.
I
I
think
you've
gone
to
some
of
the
discussions.
This
is
another
thing
where
I
think
obviously,
there's
clearly
middle.
You
know
middle
ground
where
everyone
is
happy
and
satisfied,
but
I
I
certainly
we
don't
want
to
put
I
I
just
don't
want
to
put
a
continued
undo.
O
You
know
pressure
on
these
business
owners.
Let's
clarify
what
those
strikes
are,
what
those
violations
are
is
there?
Can
there
be
two
separate
processes
for
the
strikes?
You
know?
Are
there
other
major
violations
minor
violations?
So
it's
not
two
strikes
you're
out
we're
pulling
your
permit
can't
operate
from
twelve
to
two.
Second,
I
I
certainly
you
know.
O
I
think
we
just
talked
about
it
with
drb.
You
know
all
of
these
different
things.
I
I
don't
think
the
city
needs
to
operate
in
the
gray
area.
We
need
specific,
you
know,
guidelines
to
say
for
the
two
stretcher
out,
but
also
to
the
mayor
appointed
position.
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
here
when
we
continue
to
give
you
know
the
mayor,
the
power
to
appoint
this
position
rather
than
possibly
a
group
of
people
or
a
few
members
to
then
police
this
this
permit.
O
I
I
don't
want
there
to
ever
be
discussion
of
well,
he
he
did
this,
but
I
did
this
and
he
got
that
or
I
got
that
so
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
fair.
You
know,
exchange
of
who
appoints
that
person
and
or
people
and
go
from
there.
B
I
think
that
your
concerns
are
legitimate,
because
what
you're
really
talking
about
is
the
degree
of
the
violation.
Okay,
as
opposed
to
any
two
violations,
would
do
x,
y
z,
as
opposed
to
the
examples
that
you
use
somebody
selling
dope
on
the
premises
versus
the
noise.
B
I
I
think
those
are
legitimate
concerns
of
which
I
think
can
be
discussed,
and
I
think
that
if
there
are
any
recommendations
that
you
might
have
to
clarify
it,
we
can
work
along
with
legal
department
to
come
up
with
some
language
accordingly,
because
I
think
that
those
are
legitimate
questions,
councilman,
parker,.
C
Thank
you,
councilmember
bowman.
Thank
you.
I
And
and
I'm
I
expressed
a
similar
idea
to
some
of
the
staff
at
one
of
these-
you
know
kind
of
kind
of
feedback
sessions
they
had
with
with
restaurant
owners,
and
it
surprises
me
that
I'm
about
to
say
it,
but
you
know
this
is
there's
kind
of
an
interesting
tension
here
between
the
tools
that
especially
law
enforcement
and
staff
have
suggested
that
they
need
to
rein
in
the
problems
that
they're,
seeing
with
the
enforcement
side
and
I'm
actually
comfortable
at
the
balance
that
they've
struck,
even
though
this
is
written
in
a
maximalist
way,
they
were
very
clear
with
with
the
owners
who
were
who
were
at
that
meeting
and
frankly,
the
owners
who
were
at
that
meeting
are
probably
the
best
actors
in
that
community
and
and
certainly
not
the
ones
that
are
that
are
causing
problems.
I
But
you
know
they
express
that
they
need
these
tools,
they
haven't
had
them
in
the
past,
and
you
know
they
they
anticipate.
They
wrote
it
in
a
way
that
the
business
owners
essentially
get
to
police
themselves
as
long
as
they
are
not
causing
problems.
I
think
that
was
the
right
way
to
do
it.
It
seemed
like
it
was
the
product
of
a
ton
of
discussion
back
and
forth,
and
what,
when
I
was
in
the
room,
people
seemed
happy
with
with
the
product
that
was
in
front
of
them.
I
I
totally
agree
with
with
the
problems
that
councilman
parker
raised,
that
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
issues
with
those
around
the
table
and
some
workshopping
will
need
to
be
done
prior
to
second
reading,
but
I
just
I
just
think
this
is
like
phenomenal
work
to
get
to
a
place
where
everybody
who
needs
these
tools
on
the
city.
Side
is
happy
and,
and
the
folks
who
these
rules
are
going
to
be
enforced
against
are
are
mostly
happy.
So
this
is,
I
mean
this
is
a
complicated
thing.
I
There
is
a
lot
of
money
on
the
line
for
a
lot
of
people,
and
this
is
not
something
we
should
take
lightly,
but
to
have
gotten
to
this
point
where
we
are,
I
don't
know.
Ninety
percent
of
the
way,
I
think
is,
I
think,
is
just
really
really
great
work.
N
Thank
you
mayor.
I've
had
several
conversations
with
with
business
owners
up
and
down
king
street
throughout
charleston
over
the
past.
Well,
it's
been
six
months
because
these
original
these
meetings
were
a
year
ago.
So,
let's
just
remember
that
yes
meg
great
job.
N
Every
every
business
owner
I've
spoken
with
has
said
that
meg's
been
responsive
and
communicative
and
and
transparent
about
the
process,
but
that
does
not
mean
that
the
the
end
result
is
something
that
they
they
like
me
personally,
that
you
know
when
I
think
about
this
ordinance-
and
you
know
the
irony
of
us
talking
earlier
this
evening
about
the
additional
revenue,
the
unexpected
additional
revenue
that
we
got
as
a
city
that
helped
pay
for
the
bonuses
and
shore
up
some
some
of
our
hourly
workers.
That
was
on
the
backs
of
these
restaurants.
N
N
So
here
we
are
talking
about
helping
them
in
some
capacity
or
or
trying
to
solve
what
I
still
don't
understand.
If
is
it?
Is
it
a
crime
issue?
If
it's
a
crime
issue?
No
one
in
this?
No
one
in
the
city
has
come
to
council
and
shown
showed
me
the
data.
Is
it
violent
crime?
Is
it
alcohol
abuse?
Is
it
what
is
it?
So?
This
is
all
around
crime.
N
N
That
would
support
the
rationale
for
the
ordinance.
That's
number
one
number
two
is
is
I've.
I've
done
some
research
and
I
thought
we
can't
be
the
only
city
that
is
that
is
that
is
going
through
this.
So
I
looked
at
similar-sized
cities.
Arlington
virginia
is
a
great
example
burgeoning
nightlife
burgeoning
entertainment,
district
they're,
a
little
behind
where
we
were.
They
were
experiencing
these
issues
in
2015..
N
What
they
did
is
they
grabbed
a
vast
diverse
group
of
people
in
the
community
wasn't
just
business
owners
and
they
worked
in
partnership
with
the
business
owners
and
restaurant
groups
and
didn't
vilify
them
in
a
way
that
I
think
this
ordinance
does
in
terms
of
its
punitiveness
having
a
one
one
infraction,
and
then
you
meet
with
somebody.
That's
great.
The
second
infraction
is
a
year
suspension
to
counsel
women,
parker's
point
section:
17,
130,
violation,
2b,
there's
a
whole
list
of
offenses.
N
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
90
percent
of
the
restaurants
and
food
and
beverages
places
in
charleston
would
not
meet
all
of
those
requirements
today.
So
if
you
want
to
be
nitpicky
and
go
into
restaurants,
you're
going
to
find
something,
including
my
we
need
to
be
specific
about
what
we're
holding
them
accountable
for.
I
think
that
list
is
too
broad.
N
I
think,
having
one
person
to
be
the
arbitrator,
an
adjudicator
of
a
case
is
not
due
process,
it's
not
fair!
That
needs
to
be
represented
and
the
restaurant
community
needs
to
be
at
the
table.
If
it's
going
to
be
a
committee
and
a
commission,
they
need
to
be
at
the
table
appointing
those
folks
in
partnership
with
the
city.
I
just
don't
think
we've
done
a
great
job.
N
The
last
piece
is
is
for
me
is:
is
we
know
that
the
folks
that
come
to
those
meetings
are
the
good
actors
right
they
care?
For
the
most
part,
we
know
that
there's
a
few
small
places
on
on
king
street
that
are
that
are
creating
the
majority
of
these
problems.
My
question
is
simply:
we
already
have
the
mechanisms
and
tools
in
place
to
to
to
get
in
there.
Why
are
we
not
setting
setting
an
example
to
those
places?
N
N
We
need
to
do
a
better
job,
or
at
least
we
should
be
able
to
articulate
why
we're
not
going
into
those
businesses
with
a
heavy
hand
and
instituting
the
fines
and
setting
them
as
an
example
and
the
business
community
will
support
that.
I
think
maybe
there's
there's
a
disconnect
that
we
go
in
heavy-handed
to
those
places
that
somehow
this
administration
or
our
city
is
going
to
look
as
anti-business,
and
I
will
tell
you
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case.
N
N
I
think
you
hear
from
other
council
members
about
where
their
concerns
are,
but
I
would
recommend
a
deferral
and
I
would
like
to
to
councilman
parker's
point.
This
is
my
last
point.
I
would
like
a
presentation
this.
These
decisions
critically
impact
business
owners.
There
are
business
owners
that
have
moved
their
families
to
charleston,
and
here
we
are,
I
won't
say
willy-nilly,
but
what
I
mean
is
we
put
these
things
together
and
we
don't
realize
that
there's
a
direct
impact
on
people's
lives,
their
livelihood,
their
families.
N
If
someone
told
me
I
had
to
be
out
of
business
for
a
year
that
would
impact
my
family
that
would
impact
my
income.
It
would
be
detrimental
devastating,
so
I
was
asking
us
to
rethink
and
revise,
maybe
soften
some
of
some
of
the
things.
My
last
piece
again,
I
said
this
three
times
ago.
My
last
piece
is
the
fact
that
we're
even
having
a
discussion
around
punitive
disciplinary.
N
N
I
think
business
owners
will
swallow
the
pill
if
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
have
a
disciplinary,
but
I
just
want
us
to
be
clear
about
what
we're
holding
them
accountable
for
because
I
will
say
90
of
the
businesses
now,
if
you
go
down
that
list,
there's
gonna
be
an
impression
and
out
of
if
we
have
a
change
of
administration
or
if
it's
five
years
from
now,
we
have
a
new
mayor,
an
administration
this.
This
could
be
used
in
a
negative
way,
and
I
know
that's
not
your
intent,
mayor
in
city,
so
those
are
my
comments.
C
So
so
this
matter
did
come
before
the
license
committee.
We
had
a
presentation
there,
yes
and
and
I'm
happy
upon
request
to
have
a
full
presentation
of
the
matter
to
the
full
council.
If
that's
what
y'all
would
like
before,
we
give
final
approval
to
this.
I
would
like
to
just
address
the
issue
of
the
need
for
this,
and,
and
I
think
it's
a
public
safety
issue-
I
it's.
C
It
is
a
matter
of
somewhat
of
I
don't
know
if
you'd
say
convenience,
but
the
the
the
current
you
know,
protocol
for
going
after
the
bad
actors
isn't
as
easy
as
most
people
think
and
what
we
came
to.
The
conclusion
was
you
know,
after
repeated
offenses,
that
we
would
approach
it
through
the
business
license
and
put
an
establishment
on
notice
that
that
their
business
license
was
at
risk
that
they
were
public
nuisance
and
I've
written
a
couple
of
those
letters
and
the
the
establishments
did
better.
C
I
mean
it
helped
to
to
send
that
letter
that
that
truly
risks
their
their
business
in
general.
This
ordinance
just
addresses
the
period
from
midnight
to
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
It
wouldn't
put
someone
out
of
business.
It
would
just
disallow
them
from
that
late
night
service
which
most
of
them
say
that's
their
best
hours
right.
So
I
I
get
it.
It
means
a
lot
to
them,
but
it's
not
putting
them
out
of
business.
C
So,
honestly,
it's
it's
a
little
more
responsive,
a
little
more
effective
for
us
to
deal
with
any
bad
actor
issues
than
going
the
business
license
route.
That's
that
that's
the
one
of
the
key
reasons.
We've
got
this
before
you
tonight
it
I'm
not
saying
we
don't
mind
doing
hard
stuff,
but
it's
not
really
effective
that
way
going
through
the
business
license
route.
This
is
this
is
more
effective
and
you
know
that
they've
got
that.
C
I
guess
you
get
back
to
the
premise
is:
is
it
a
right
or
a
privilege
to
serve
alcohol
in
the
city
after
12
o'clock
at
night?
You
know
I
was
around
when
we
didn't
have
any
restrictions
at
all
and
there
were
bars
open
all
night
long
24
hours
a
day,
and
there
were
some
real
problems,
particularly
on
the
block
of
king
street,
between
calhoun
and
george
street.
You
all
remember
it
was
real,
bad
and
and
we've
kind
of
knocked
it
back
over
time.
Then
it
went
to
four
o'clock.
C
We
we
put
that
in
place
when
I
was
working
for
mayor
riley
and
then
they
went
back
with
the
late
night
ordinance.
It
went
to
two
o'clock
so
the
whole
premise,
though
it
shouldn't
be
a
given
right
of
folks
to
to
serve
alcohol
after
midnight
and
and
this
accentuates
that
and
gives
the
city
some
authority
in
a
in
a
convenient
fashion.
C
If
you
will
to
be
able
to
enforce
ordinances
and
and
and
and
if
they're,
bad
actors
to
be
able
to
restrict
them,
not
from
not
putting
them
out
of
the
business.
Just
saying,
okay,
you
push
the
limit
from
12
o'clock
to
2
o'clock.
You
can't
serve
anymore
so
anyway.
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
Mr
mayor,
we
had
council
members
seeking
zapel
and
then
back
to
gregory.
J
Promised
my
comments
by
I'm
prepared
to
give
this
first
reading,
but
I
do
have
some
specific
comments
that
are
consistent
with.
I
think,
what's
been
around
here
and
then
an
observation,
if
I
might
one
is,
I
think
that
the
number
of
violations
at
two
needs
to
be
three
okay.
I
think
the
degree
of
the
violations
is
something
we
need
to
think
about
and,
as
I
read
through
this,
I
mean
looking
at
it
from
a
lawyer's
lens.
The
standard
for
the
violation
on
most
of
them
is
knowingly
or
reckless
right.
J
If
you
knowingly
or
recklessly,
give
false
information
in
the
application
knowingly
or
recklessly
allow
possession
of
drugs
and
you
so
knowing
it
recklessly,
then
we
need
to
go
think
a
little
bit
about
that,
and
then
that
goes
back
to
the
adjudication
process.
The
single
member
appointed
by
the
licensing
committee
through
the
mayor's
office,
I
think,
is
problematic.
J
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
process
and
it
might
even
be
the
licensing
committee
itself,
but
it's
got
to
be
a
body
that
is
empowered
somehow
through
the
city
and
also
where
there's
going
to
be
a
record
of
that
hearing,
because
if
you
then
go
to
section
3
of
17
130
violations,
if
there
is
found
to
be
a
violation,
an
appeal
is
had
that
violation
stands
in
a
lot
of
places
in
the
law.
If
you
appeal
something
there
are
processes
by
which
you
can
go
forward
and
allow
the
activity
continue.
J
I
give
you
example
a
the
dewberry
right
okay,
so
I
don't
want
to
get
all
that
tonight.
J
Things
the
next
is
the
annual
registration
people
invest
a
huge
amount
of
money
to
be
in
this
business,
and
we
like
that,
I
think,
matching
that
up
with
their
alcohol
re-upping
every
other
year
is
probably
a
better
thing
than
every
year.
Mr
neil
brought
that
up
and
it's
something
we
talked
about.
I
talked
to
that
about
chief
thompson
today
and
then.
Finally,
as
a
matter
of
policy,
this
needs
to
be
something
that's
cooperative
and
it
has
been.
I
mean
it's
been
amazing
how
cooperative
this
process
has
been.
J
I
see
ms
thompson
back
there
nodding
her
head
she's
put
many
hours
in
this
mayor.
You
led
a
meeting
where
just
about
everybody
subject
to
this
ordinance
was
there
by
the
way,
just
as
a
matter
of
sort
of
trivia
the
number
of
businesses
that
avail
themselves
of
and
are
subject
to
this
ordinance.
The
late
night
ordinance
is
about
30..
J
It's
not
a
huge
universe
that
we're
talking
about
so
listening
to
them
is
a
good
thing
and
we
need
to
work
with
them
and
the
one
thing
that
came
up
tonight
that
I
think
is
really
intelligent
and
we
as
a
body
need
to
think
about,
and
that
is
what
mr
neil
showed
us
tonight,
and
that
is
that
id
software
that
allows
the
bars
and
the
late
night
or
entertainment
establishments
to
identify
false,
fake
ids
right.
J
If
you
go
and
walk
the
street
late
night
or
any
night,
you
can
pretty
much
tell
the
places
that
are
strict,
that
aren't
strict
by
the
length
of
the
line
outside.
If
it's
a
short
line,
restrict
if
it's
a
longer
line,
you
might
very
well
be
getting
in
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
get
into
the
hands
of
all
people
that
are
licensed
the
ability
to
use
the
same
software.
J
That
would
be
a
really
good
thing
and
I
think
the
amount
of
revenue
that
we
take
in
at
the
city
we
should
partner
with
them
to
somehow
kick
in,
I
mean
between
mothers
against
drunk
driving,
I'm
sure
there's
some
grant
monies
out
there
available.
The
cbb,
the
city,
the
hospitality
association,
all
that,
if
we
can
get
everybody
in
their
hands
for
66
months,
trial
program
all
having
that
same
id
check,
I
think
that
levels,
the
playing
field
and
accomplishes
a
lot
of
what
we're
trying
to
do,
which
is
make
it
safer
for
everybody
out
there.
J
So
I'm
going
to
give
this
first
reading,
with
the
caveat
that
I
would
like
for
us
to
revisit
those
and
then
think
about
a
way
that
we
as
a
city
can
promote
and
help
get
in
the
hands
of
those
establishments,
those
that
software
that
they
can
use
to
the
benefit
of
everybody.
So
there's
my
comments.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
Councilmember
appel.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
agree
with
a
lot
that
has
been
said
so
far
this
evening.
I'm
going
to
try
not
to
re-tread
that
ground
we've
got
a
very
robust
nightlife
scene
on
upper
king
street.
If
you've
been
out
lately,
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
lot
different
than
it
was
when
I
was
in
college
in
in
my
younger
years.
For
sure
I
mean
it
was.
I
thought
it
was
pretty
fun
back
then,
but
it's
it's
a
whole
different
animal
right
now,
but
guess
what
to
councilman?
I
Saccharin's
point:
that's
great.
I
mean
this
is
a
vibrant,
dynamic
business
environment,
they're
producing
a
lot
of
revenue
for
the
city,
but
but
at
the
same
time
there
are
legitimate
problems
and
I
think
we
all
know
what
they
are
and
they
scan
and
they
run
the
gamut
from
the
little
stuff
to
some
of
the
big
stuff.
If,
if,
if
you
know
what
I
mean
and
you're
aware
of
kind
of
what
goes
on
down
there,
we
currently
have
a
late
night
establishment
ordinance.
I
I
We
have
to
go
to
the
bza
for
that
special
entitlement,
and
I
remember
seeing
a
lot
of
these
requests
come
before
me
when
I
was
when
I
was
at
the
bza,
so
the
city
already
sort
of
has
this
regulatory
framework
in
place
to
regulate
that
that
that
those
special
two
hours
which
to
to
to
the
mayor's
point.
This
is
where
a
tremendous
amount
of
activity
takes
place
for
obvious
reasons,
and
it's
very
important
to
these
businesses
bottom
lines.
I
The
current
problem
with
the
ordinance
today
is
that
when
these
operators
are
found
to
violate
a
code
and
our
liveability
goes
out
there
and
we
issue
a
ticket
or
our
cpd
issues,
a
ticket,
these
establishments
don't
care,
it
doesn't
matter.
It's
a
it's,
a
small
fine
that
could
probably
be
offset
by
a
very
aggressive
round
of
shots
like
that.
Okay,
it's
just
a
cost
of
doing
business.
It's
not
a
big
deal.
It
goes
to
municipal
court,
they
get
a
lawyer,
they
play
games
with
continuances.
I
They
demand
a
jury
trial,
so
we're
sort
of
stuck
in
this
program.
So
I'm
sympathetic
to
making
some
tweaks
to
this
ordinance
to
kind
of
you
know,
get
a
little
bit
to
make
it
effective
right,
but
to
councilman
seeking's
point
councilman
parker's
point
and
several
others.
I
do
think
we
need
to
make
it
three
strikes.
I
I
think
we
need
to
escala
graduate
it
up
the
scale.
I
think
we
need
to
send
these
matters
to
the
business
license
committee.
I
think
that'll
instill
a
lot
more
confidence
in
in
the
folks
that
we're
regulating
here
and
also,
I
think
that
this
idea
of
re-upping
the
plans,
maybe
by
emily,
you
know
just
to
sort
of
make
sure
that
these
30
special
permit
holders
on
upper
king
street
realize
that
safety
and
management
is
sort
of
an
ongoing
responsibility.
I
It's
not
something
they
just
have
to
do
when
they
go
before
the
bza
when
they
get
initial
permit.
All
of
that
kind
of
stuff
makes
sense,
but
I
think
we
do
need
to
do
it
in
a
way:
that's
not
overly
draconian
and
has
support
from
the
from
the
community.
The
other
thing
I
would
point
out-
and
this
is
just
not
to
be
left
unsaid-
is
when
I
talk
to
the
businesses
on
upper
king
street
and
some
of
the
other
stakeholders.
I
There
are
a
lot
of
very
first-class
operations
on
upper
king
street
roy.
I
don't
mean
to
embarrass
you
and
put
you
on
the
spot
he's
a
great
operator.
There
are
several
others
up
there
as
well,
but
by
the
same
token,
there
are
some
bad
operators
on
upper
king
street.
I'm
not
going
to
put
them
on
blast
for
the
folks
watching
on
zoom.
I
I
We
ought
to
aggressively
go
after
the
worst
of
the
worst
repeat
violators
and
that's
going
to
have
a
very
corrective
effect
on
the
larger.
You
know
economic
climate
up
on
upper
king
street.
We
don't
have
to
necessarily
cast
this
super
wide
net
with
overly
draconian
regulations.
I
I
We're
gonna,
shut
you
down
and
we're
not
the
first
city
in
the
country
that
has
proactively
and
aggressively
gone
after
bad
actors
and
that's
the
kind
of
targeted
enforcement
action
we
can
do
to
help
set
a
better
climate
on
king
street
so
that
our
law
enforcement
officers,
who
do
such
a
tremendous
job
managing
the
situation
upper
king
tree,
don't
have
to
be
asked
to
do
the
impossible,
which
is
to
regulate
just
a
totally
out
of
control
situation
where
no
good
law
enforcement
options
exist.
So
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
wisdom
here.
I
I
think
the
staff
has
done
a
great
job,
putting
this
program
together,
but
let's
make
the
tweaks
that
we've
all
been
talking
about
today,
but
let's
not
also
lose
sight
of
some
of
the
other
tools
at
our
disposal
to
go
after
the
worst
of
the
worst
and
reward
create
this
incentive
structure.
Where
the
more
you
cooperate,
the
more
you
run
a
professional
business
on
the
up
and
up
the
more
you
invest
in
technology.
I
B
No
one,
no
one
would
argue
against
anything.
That's
been
put
on
the
table
thus
far,
but
I
think
we
must
give
staff
credit
and,
more
importantly,
our
law
enforcement
who
wants
this,
who
needs
this
kind
of
tool
in
order
for
them
to
be
a
bit
more
effective.
B
However,
I
do
think
that
perhaps
we
should
go
go
through
first
reading
and
much
of
the
recommendations
that's
been
put
on
the
table.
Let's
put
it
in
writing
because
I
think
councilmember
parker
starting
the
conversation
was
quite
appropriate.
B
Some
of
the
concerns
that
were
articulate
are
concerns
that
I
do
have
myself,
but
again,
I
think
that
we
should
just
whatever
recommendations
mark
up.
Let's
do
it,
because
our
law
enforcement
folks
need
these
tools.
They
know
the
bad
actors
better
than
we
do.
Okay
and
we've
had
some
of
this
discussion
in
our
community
development
meeting
and
as
for
having
conversations
on
councilman
sacrament
throughout
the
business
community,
I
think
that
meg
gave
us
data
on
all
the
various
businesses
that
she
did
outreach
to
and
had
conversations
with.
B
I
think
it's
very
appropriate.
I
think
it's
very
important
that
when
we
look
at
staff
work
that
we
look
at
the
totality
of
the
circumstances,
because
they
do
in
fact
I
think,
do
a
really
really
great
job
for
us,
and
we
should
not
assume
that
they've
not
done
their
homework
when
they
put
something
before
us.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
G
Shade.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
want
to
support
giving
approval
for
first
reading.
I
think
I
heard
councilman
masaka
mentioned
a
workshop
and
I
thought
I've
heard
that
word
workshop,
which
I
which
I'm
not
I
don't
think
so
I'm
not
opposed
to
doing
that,
but
I
think
that
would
be.
I
don't
just
want
to
add
any
more
to
the
conversation
we've
had
over
here,
but
I
do
see
the
chief
is
behind
your
head
there
and
I
do
want
to
see
what
input
he
had
on
this.
C
E
I
I
appreciate
the
leadership
of
chief
thompson
and
and
all
the
people
meg
and
everybody
a
big
part
of
this.
I
I
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said.
I
will
just
add
my
my
support.
In
particular,
I
think
councilmember
appel
articulated
that
we
have
and
it's
interesting
it's
the
business
community
that
came
to
us
to
the
mayor
to
some
of
the
council
members
council,
councilmember
seeking
has
been
similar
meetings
myself
and
others
and,
of
course,
roy
neal
who's.
There.
E
E
We
want
to
be
effective
in
supporting
the
good
business
owners,
which
is
95
of
the
business
owners
who
are
going
way
out
of
their
way,
they're
spending
extra
money
and
additional
resources
to
run
a
good
business.
This
is
not
designed
to
cause
additional
bureaucracy
or
barriers
or
costs
to
those
businesses.
There's
been
a
lot
of
really
good
questions
that
have
been
raised
tonight,
and
I
know
chief
thompson
has
gotten
a
lot
of
those
questions
and
had
to
to
vet
the
information,
because
there's
a
lot
of
misinformation
out
there.
E
This
has
probably
needs
to
be
continued
to
be
communicated
a
little
bit
more
effectively
as
we
narrow
down
what
the
final
version
of
this
will
be.
But
I
will
tell
you
we
need
this
tool.
E
E
So
we
just
want
tools
for
those
I
think
going
to
be
fairly
rare
circumstances
to
make
sure
that
we
can
do
our
jobs
and
and
not
just
the
police,
but
the
fire
marshals
and
as
a
city,
effectively
make
sure
that
really
it's
protecting
the
good
businesses,
which
is
like
95
percent
of
our
business
owners.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
G
More
quick
question:
maybe
the
legal
can
answer
this:
if
there
are
a
number
of
complaints
for
people
who
have
a
liquor
license
either
councilmember
pale
brought
this
up
that
if
you
get
a
ticket-
and
you
play
this
game
of
asking
for
a
jury
trial
and
get
the
municipal.
G
G
Exactly
right,
so
I
mean,
regardless
of
what
we
may
do
here,
the
the
ultimate
the
ultimate
penalty
is
the
abc
denying
that
person
a
renewal
of
their
license.
C
K
C
K
Why
we
got
three
weeks
before
the
next
meeting?
Certainly
business
license
can
take
this
in
and
then
we'll
all
have
something
to
read.
That
would
incorporate
that
as
opposed
to
bringing
it
back
to
meeting
then
incorporating
that
voting
on
it
and
then
reading
it
after
the
fact,
I
think
we
got
time
to
go
to
committee,
especially
after
having
heard
what's
been
said
tonight
and
by
the
second
week
in
september,
still
achieve
your
goal
of
bringing
it
to
the
next
meeting.
C
We'll
get
it
back
to
the
next
meeting,
I
mean
we,
we
can
send
it
to
you
in
in
advance
and
and
have
you
review
it
and
make
sure
that
the
things
that
have
been
recommended
were
incorporated
in
it.
If
that's
what
you
want
to
double
check,
how
does
it
go
about
the
committee
if
the
committee
chairman
wants
to
call
another
committee
meeting
councilman
gregory,
I'm
glad
to
send
it
to
you
if
we
can
do
it
before
the
before
the
next
meeting?
Is
that
fair
enough.
N
Just
one
last
comment:
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I'm
on
record
that
that
I
understand
the
challenges
on
upper
king
and
the
the
tremendous
frustrating
part
of
the
job
for
our
men
and
women
in
blue
to
be
up
there.
I
know
that
the
business
owners
reached
out
and
wanted
this.
I
get
some
of
that.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
chief
knows
that
I
support
I
support
y'all
I
get
it.
I
just
think
that
there's
a
way
and
based
on
tonight's
conversation,
I
feel
like
we're
getting
there.
N
So
I'm
happy
to
to
support
a
first
reading
sounds
like
we're
getting
more
flexible
on
the
two
strikes.
Maybe
it's
a
three
strikes
thing.
One
recommendation
I
would
have-
which
ironically
was
in
the
other
ordinance
that
we
talked
about
tonight
is
maybe
it's
a
point
system,
because
you
know
a
violation
that
that
is
minor
should
not
be
counted
as
a
one
violation
that
goes
towards
your
potential
closing.
So
I
think
we
need
to
wait
some
of
those
those
violations
and
those
infractions
which
still
gets
us
to
what
we
need.
N
You
know
selling
drugs,
you
know
in
an
establishment
is
completely
different
and
then
than
some
of
the
other
violations
that
were
in
there,
so
just
just
some
thoughts,
but
I'm
happy
to
support
first
reading.
If
we
can
just
massage
some
of
the
language,
it's
actually
a
good
thought.
D
C
And
councilmember
mitchell
is
coming
back
in
right
now.
I
think
there
he
is
all
right.
We
were
holding
the
vote
for
you
councilmember
all
right
any
further
for
first
reading,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
oppose
the
eyes.
Have
it
next
up?
Is
our
committee
on
traffic
and
transportation.
J
You,
mr
mayor,
the
committee
on
traffic
and
transportation
has
actually
met
twice
since
we
last
met.
The
first
meeting
was
on
august
9
2022
and,
despite
my
promise
to
council
member
brady
30
minutes
before
the
meeting
started
that
I
would
be
there
to
handle
it
for
him.
I
missed
it
it's
kind
of
hard
to
believe,
but
it
was
a
public
hearing
for
the
lowering
of
a
speed
limit.
My
understanding
is,
there
were
no
actual
comments
that
came
along
so
that
I
think
is
good
to
go.
J
We
can
actually
make
the
city
safer
by
lowering
a
speed
limit.
We
then
met
yesterday
and
we
had
a
number
of
things
that
came
up.
We
had
a
presentation
from
lime
who's.
Our
new
vendor
of
the
bike
share
program,
a
little
different
than
our
old
bike
share
program,
in
that
the
bikes
don't
lock
to
corrals
and
they're
battery
electric,
so
they're
a
little
zippier
and
we've
had
some
examples
of
that
that
are
fairly
dramatic
since
they've
been
out
there.
J
But
one
of
the
issues
that's
come
up
is
is
repositioning
the
bikes
making
sure
they're
put
back
in
corrals
not
left
in
all
sorts
of
crazy
places.
You
might
have
seen
pictures
of
three
bikes
on
the
top
of
the
ravenel
bridge
in
the
lanes
of
traffic,
not
on
the
bike
head
path
anyway,
they're
a
technology
company
they're
working
through
it.
J
They
actually
have
now
hired
someone
who's
going
to
be
here
on
the
ground,
doing
and
running
operations
and
specifically
looking
at
making
sure
bikes
are
in
the
right
place
at
the
right
time
and
position
the
mess
the
mayor
asked
for
a
secret
code,
so
he
could
reposition
bikes
and
they
agreed
to
give
him
one.
So
if
you
want
to
get
on
the
repositioning
team
with
the
mayor,
he
can
share
the
secret
code
with
you,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
get
better
as
we
go
along
and
so
far
so
good.
J
One
of
the
things
they
did
share
with
us
is
the
number
of
discrete
rides
from
when
they
started
till
now
has
gone
up
about
35
percent
and
that's
interesting
because
it's
during
the
summer,
it's
hot
and
college
is
not
here.
So
I
think
in
the
fall,
we're
going
to
see
a
whole
bunch
more.
There
were
some
questions
about
service
in
west
ashley.
We're
working
on
that.
I
think,
there's
a
question
about
service
in
james
island.
I
think
they're
willing
and
we
as
a
city
are
willing
to
put
bikes
anywhere.
J
That's
appropriate
and
safe
safety
being
one
of
the
issues
out
there.
So
we'll
work
with
them
pretty
good.
We
had
a
presentation
you
might
have
seen
something
about
this
online
or
may
have
spoken
to
the
creator
of
this.
On
the
e-carriages
more
to
come
on
that
we
had
we
granted
an
extension
to
mr
somerville
and
his
team
to
get
the
valet
parking
bids
in
place
that
was
going
to
expire.
We
gave
him
a
six-month
extension
we're
going
to
get
back
to
the
valet
parking
business
postcode,
there's
a
demand
for
it.
J
We
had
a
discussion
of
section
19206,
which
is
city
section,
on
the
reduction
of
speed
limits,
which
is
why
we
had
a
meeting
on
august
9th
have
a
public
hearing
believe
it
or
not.
If
we
want
to
reduce
speed
limits
to
make
our
streets
more
safe
in
the
city
of
charleston,
we
have
to
go
through
an
entire
process,
including
a
public
hearing.
We
asked
our
legal
staff
to
go
back
and
sort
of
see
if
we
could
shortcut
some
of
that,
in
fact,
just
give
the
discretion
back
to
the
director
to
lower
speed
limits.
J
We
learned
that
we
can't
do
that,
but
there's
some
things
that
we
can
do
and
so
we're
going
to
get
an
ordinance
back
to
sort
of
clean
that
up
make
it
more
streamlined
to
make
our
streets
safer.
Good
thing,
we
had
a
discussion
about
pedicab
decals,
you've
heard
a
lot
about
that.
We,
as
a
committee
and
as
a
council
approved.
J
We
now
allow
for
30
decals
out
there
at
a
time
at
prime
time
in
the
evenings
we
approved,
but
have
not
granted
an
extra
six.
Since
that
time,
we've
had
our
issues
with
king
street,
we're
looking
at
tourism
management,
we're
looking
at
the
peninsula
study,
so
the
committee,
as
a
matter
of
policy,
voted
to
bring
back
to
you
all
that
we
would
like
to
put
those
six
decals
on
hold
for
a
period
of
six
months
and
go
back
and
revisit
whether
we
need
to
put
them
back
out
to
bid.
J
J
J
J
Well,
it's
streets
that
are
in
the
city,
and
one
of
the
questions
that
I
asked
and
our
legal
team
is
here
is:
is
there
a
distinction
in
our
ability
to
lower
speed
limits
or
do
other
things
on
our
streets
between
streets
that
we
actually
have
taken
back
and
own
or
streets
that
we
don't
own
but
are
in
the
city?
And
the
answer
I
believe,
if
I'm
right
about
this
great
legal
team
is
no,
we
still
have
to
go
through
that
process.
It
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
a
city-owned
street
or
a
county
or
state-owned
street.
J
It's
the
passage
across
the
streets
that
then
subjects
us
to
state
law
and
having
to
go
through
a
certain
process.
Am
I
right
about
that
great
so
yeah?
So
it's
kind
of
interesting.
We
we
we
don't
get
a
whole
lot
of
benefits
from
taking
our
streets
back.
We
get
to
do
some
things,
but
not
one
of
them
is
not
lowering
the
speed
limit,
which
is
my
numbing
right.
So.
G
J
C
O
Sorry,
but
I
do
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
but
I
do
want
to
say,
mr
chairman,
you
know
councilmember
seeking
thank
you
for
bringing
that
just
that
discussion
of,
because
the
the
public
hearing
in
question
was
in
my
district
and
that
individual
and
that
community
it
was
a
lengthy
process.
I
think
this
started,
you
know
maybe
last
fall,
and
this
was
a
very
lengthy
process.
So
I
think,
if
there's
any
way
to
streamline
it
through
the
city
for
our
residents,
whether
it's
speed
limits
lowering
the
speed
limit,
I
mean
so
thank
you.
J
K
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
The
items,
the
actionable
items
that
you
see
on
your
agenda.
We
had
hearty
discussions,
they
passed
all
passed
unanimously
and
I
moved
the
adoption
of
the
republican.
A
O
O
I
know
we're
working
hard
at
it
and
the
pay
increase
and
all
of
that,
but
it
just
I
I
have
to
bring
it
up
again
tonight.
Out
of
everything
that
we
discuss,
I
mean
we
we
are,
I
understand,
from
department
heads,
I
think
the
number
was
90
completed,
that
they
presented.
We
I
I
am
still
getting
inundated
with
calls
and
messages.
O
I
don't
know
if
it's
if
the
90
is
y'all
and
the
10
is
me
or
if
I
don't
know,
but
I
just
need
to
bring
it
up
again
tonight
that
we,
I
know
that
we've
teamed
up.
We
have
some
private
partnership
going
on
and
I
know
that
it's
very
expensive
and
I'd
love
to
see
that
money
kept
in-house
for
our
employees
that
are
out
there
working
their
their
days
off
to
get
this
city
cleaned
up.
O
It's
a
small
department
and
a
big
city
twice
as
much
trash,
but
I
still
I
I
don't
know
if
we're
there
yet
I
I
respect
the
department
head
saying
you
know
we're
about
90
through
the
routes,
but
when,
when
you
hear
from
constituents,
I'm
I'm
certain.
This
is
my
first
rodeo,
but
if
this
is
the
basis
of
what
I'm
hearing
every
week,
then
I
need
to
bring
attention
to
it
and
just
we
we
really
need
to.
O
O
So
has
I
didn't
hear
any
discussion
I
kind
of
cut
in
and
out
of
that
committee
meeting,
so
I
wasn't
sure
if
we
have
purchased
are
going
to
purchase,
because
I
know
that
my
biggest
issue
is
the
is
for
everyone
is
the
bull
right.
Is
that
what
we
call
it?
The
bulk
so
and
a
big
issue
is
that
truck
that
we
use
not
to
I'll
keep
it
short,
but
the
claw
and
the
boom
and
all
that,
but
our
current
truck
is
one
operator
getting
in
and
out
of
this
big
giant
truck.
C
It
was
on
ways
and
means
on
the
bids
and
purchases
number
three
h.
We
did
go
ahead
and
buy
the
bush
hall
grapple
loader
for
227
thousand
dollars,
which
is
a
little
more
expensive
than
we
normally
pay
for
these
trucks.
But
this
one
was
the
one
that
you
and
I
both
tried
out
where
the
driver
doesn't
have
to
climb
down
from
the
cab
and
then
back
up
in
order
to
operate
the
grapple.
C
He
can
just
literally
swing
around
in
his
driver's
seat
and
then
operate
to
pick
up
put
the
trash
into
the
truck
and
spin
around
he's
back
driving
off
again
it.
It
really
should
save
a
lot
of
time,
and
I
hope
that
we're
able
to
transition
to
this
kind
of
truck
it's
safer
for
the
driver
keeps
him
out
of
the
weather,
less
wear
and
tear
on
his
knees,
climbing
up
and
down
the
thing.
So,
yes,
we
bought
one
tonight.
The
question
did
come
up
as
a
report.
C
You
know
last
night,
mr
o'brien
responded
to
it.
That's
where
you
picked
up
the
90,
which
was
an
improvement
over
where
we've
been,
and
he
they
matt
and
mr
o'brien
both
feel
that
this
week
and
next
week
we
will
be
approaching
100,
mostly
because
we
had
four
drivers
that
were
out
on
medical
family
leave
and
they're
they're
back
or
either
coming
back
this
week
and
we're
going
to
keep
on
subbing
with
the
private
contractors
until
we're
a
few
weeks
into
100,
and
we
feel
like
we're
comfortably
caught
up
of
the
other
factor.
C
As
you
all
know,
earlier
this
year,
people
putting
out
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
trash
than
they
ever
have.
I
mean
we
literally
had
a
million
more
pounds
of
debris
to
pick
up
in
the
first
five
months
of
this
year
than
we
did
last
year
with
less
employees
to
pick
them
up.
So
it's
been
challenging.
C
C
K
Warren
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
think
we're
all
experiencing
that
pain
and
we
all
can
doing
it
together
me
and
the
team
trying
to
do
the
best
they
can
with
the
people
that
we
have
one
of
the
pieces
that
I
want
to
bring
up
the
pay
raise.
Mr
mayor,
I
voted
for
it,
but
if,
if
we
find
out
in
particular
this
15
hour,
doesn't
enable
mr
fountain
to
fill
some
of
those
positions
and
mr
o'brien
to
fill
the
positions,
let's
not
have
a
lag
time
before
we
revisit
it
again.
K
I
think
we
have
the
ability
to
increase
it,
maybe
with
some
of
the
surplus
that
we
have.
I
know
we're
working
on
the
23
budget,
but
I
think
councilman
brady
said
it
in
one
of
the
meetings,
and
I
agree
with
him.
He
said
15
an
hour.
You
can
make
more
than
that
working
at
mcdonald's,
so
we
get
a
good
feeling
patting
ourselves
on
the
back.
We
brought
him
up
to
15.
K
C
M
C
Lucians,
have
it
councilmember
gregory
had
to
excuse
himself
who
would
like
move
for
the
adoption
of
the
report,
we're
going
to.
G
A
couple
of
things
before
we
move
on
to
adopting
reports,
we
did
spend
two
hours
on
it.
We
need
approval
for
items
c
and
d
and
we
knew
that
we
approved
c
d.
Second,
the
other
thing
that
we
had
a
very
good
discussion
about
reinstituting
the
board
of
fire
masters,
not
to
reinstitute
it
in
a
way
that
was
initially
designed
under
chapter
13
of
our
code,
we'll
be
moving
forward
with
that,
but
a
very
good
discussion
on
both
fire
chief
courier
and
police
chief
reynolds
on
personnel,
salary
and
retention
issues.
G
The
comment
that
came
from
councilmember
sikhis,
I
think,
was
heard
very
loud
and
clear-
is
to
reconstitute
their
salary
on
a
salary
basis
on
an
hourly
basis
and
the
retention
issue.
Amazingly
enough
is
a
lot
lower
than
citywide.
It's
either
10
to
11
percent
of
the
fire
department
and
the
police
department,
but
still
is
a
lot
higher
on
a
national
level
or
a
statewide
level
where
that
number
is
around
five
or
five
point
six
percent.
G
G
G
I
think
chief
widows
would
concur
on
as
an
annual
evaluation
of
all
employees,
so
no
actions
needed
on
that,
but
it
was
a
good
information
gathering
and
I
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
both
chief
courier
and
chief
reynolds
contributed
to
that
those
reports
and
those
updates
regarding
pay
and
the
need
to
get
us
up
to
a
certain
level,
particularly
for
our
first
hires.
C
A
C
C
All
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
aye,
oh
see
honest.
Have
it
next
bill's
up
for
second
reading,
we've
got
12
of
them
on
on
the
agenda
where
any
divergence,
no.
C
Number
five
and
six
council
member
pal
has
recused.
Was
there
one
for
you?
That
was
a
different
matter
that
was
first
reading
earlier,
all
right
any
discussion
on
any
of
those
one
through
twelve
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
aye
lucy
for
third
reading
and
ratification,
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
next
is
bill's
up
for
first
reading?
Does
anybody
want
to
cover
what
item
number
one
was?
Mr
summerfield.
D
Hello,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
So
originally
this
item
was
on
here
so
that
we
could
get
first
reading
for
pending
ordinance
doctrine
on
this
and
then
begin
a
public
hearing
process.
However,
in
speaking
with
our
legal
department,
there
is
a
question
in
one
of
the
provisions
that
we
need
to
do
some
additional
research
on
so
with
that
staff
is
going
to
ask
for
a
deferral
on
this.
D
I
will
point
out
just
transparency,
there's
an
element
of
this
ordinance
that
is
not
related
to
increased
height
for
merit
and
the
kind
of
the
outstanding
question.
So
at
planning
commission
in
september,
there
will
be
an
ordinance
for
their
consideration
to
make
a
recommendation
to
council
and
I'll
be
talking
about
this
more
at
cd
committee
on
thursday
that
addresses
new
construction
height
allowances
relative
to
new
construction
in
flood
zones.
D
D
So
that
will
be
something
that
we
will
carve
out
of
the
ordinance
that
is
m1
tonight
and
take
as
a
separate
item
to
planning
commission
in
september
to
address
that
there
are
a
couple
items
that
the
planning
commission
is
looking
at,
that
need
that
fix
to
move
forward.
So
with
that
staff
would
ask
for
a
deferral
on
this,
a
30-day
deferral.
We
believe
that
we
can
address
the
situation
within
the
next
30
days,
additionally
per
conversation
with
multiple
members
of
council.
You
know
there's
no
reason
at
this
point.
D
This
is
now
published
to
have
a
much
broader
conversation
with
the
community
about
this
proposed
change
relative
specifically
to
the
merit
element
of
the
height
adjustment.
We've
actually
been
working
on
this
almost
nine
months,
but
those
conversations
have
been
smaller,
mainly
with
the
architectural
community
and
some
of
the
preservation
groups
as
well.
G
K
I
really
want
to
thank
mr
sanderfield
for
the
deferral
and
taking
it
through
planning
and
some
of
this
cd
that
you
talked
about.
I
just
want
to.
I
think
that
was
the
right
way
to
do
it.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
so
hearing
from
you
know
during
public
comment.
Will
this
allow
some
folks
to
sort
of
rush,
as
they
said
to
sort
of
get
these
certain
ones
through
or
you
know
I
think
their
their
mission
was
sort
of
first
reading.
I
understand
there's
work
to
be
done,
but
you
know
from
some
of
the
public
comment
that
you
heard.
Is
that
a
concern.
D
Through
you,
mr
mayor,
yes
ma'am,
so
the
the
referral
would
not
attach
the
pending
ordinance
doctrine,
which
means
that
if
the
projects
were
out
there
that
were
ready
for
submittal
and
was
a
complete
submittal,
my
department
would
have
to
accept
that
and
it
could
then
be
evaluated
for
merit,
whereas
if
this
were
given
first
reading,
my
understanding
the
way
that
works
here
in
south
carolina
is,
you
would
have
that
pending
ordinance
doctrine,
so
that
would
in
effect,
stay
submittals
of
those
types
of
applications
until
the
issue
resolved
itself
through
the
the
ordinance
process,
however,
want
to
be
clear.
D
This
process
would
be,
as
I
hopefully,
communicated
in
an
email
earlier
this
week.
You
know
that
the
process
would
still
follow
all
the
necessary
steps
for
an
ordinance
to
come
forward.
So
while
we
would
have
it
here
tonight
for
first
reading
for
pending
ordinance,
it
still
has
to
go
to
planning.
Commission
planning
commission
still
has
to
hold
a
public
hearing.
They
have
to
provide
this
body
with
a
recommendation.
D
This
body
has
to
hold
a
public
hearing
because
again
it's
a
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
code
with
our
more
recent
processes
of
then
trying
to
take
those
planning
related
items
to
the
cd
committee
for
some
additional
discussion,
then
it
would
come
back
for
council
action
based
on
that
discussion.
So
all
of
that
process
still
needs
to
happen,
regardless
of
the
deferral
or
first
read
tonight.
Deferral
like
I
said.
If
we
wait
30
days,
we'll
just
be
we'll
we'll
get
a
jump
start.