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From YouTube: City Council Workshop Laurel Island PUD and St. Julian Devine Community Center Smokestacks 10/7/2020
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City Council Workshop Laurel Island PUD and St. Julian Devine Community Center Smokestacks 10/7/2020
B
C
E
H
B
I
D
Is
a
workshop
session?
We
we
generally
don't
take
any
a
definitive
action.
I
might
seek
consensus
if
you
will
on
on
the
second
item
on
our
agenda,
but
if
not,
if
it's
not
the
will
of
council,
we
can
wait
until
tuesday
for
that,
but
no
we're
not
going
to
take
any
definitive
votes
and
if
it's
a
pleasure
council,
I
know
maybe
a
couple
other
members
will
join
us,
but
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
get
started
because
we've
got
two
items
that
might
take
some
discussion.
D
The
format
would
be
on
both
items
to
have
a
brief
presentation.
If
you
will,
from
various
staff
members
who've
been
working
on
the
issues
since
we
last
met,
then
open
it
up
for
council
questions
and
discussion
and
then
open
it
up
for
public
input
and
comments
and
and
that's
kind
of
the
order.
I
would
like
to
proceed
so
if
I
may
I'd
like
to
call
this
workshop
meeting
of
charleston
city
council
to
order
and
madame
clark
cook,
would
you
please
call
the
roll.
J
J
K
A
H
D
Here,
thank
you
so
much
and
in
lieu
of
an
invocation.
I
will
ask
for
a
moment
of
silence
and
ask
everyone
to
keep
in
your
thoughts
officer
hancher
of
the
myrtle
beach
police
department,
who
gave
his
life
in
the
line
of
duty
this
past
weekend,
very
very
sad
for
one
of
our
first
responders
in
our
state
to
have
their
their
life
taken
and
also
to
remember
the
many
families
that
are
impacted
by
covenant.
19
in
our
country
join
me
for
a
moment
of
silence.
D
D
Thank
you.
So
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
laurel
island
plan
unit
development
or
pud
staff.
Noted
all
the
remarks
and
comments
that
were
made
at
our
last
council
meeting,
along
with
comments
that
had
previously
been
made
at
the
planning,
commission
and
other
public
meetings
and
our
attorneys
and
planning
department
met
with
the
developers
attorneys.
D
So
I
I
thought
it
would
make
sense
for
them.
First
to
report
to
y'all
the
details
of
some
of
those
discussions
to
address
those
items
that
we
as
a
body
felt
needed
to
be
addressed
and
see
how
they
have
proposed
to
resolve
some
of
those
issues
that
we
know
about,
and
then
we
can
discuss
those
and
also
open
the
floor
for
any
new
comments
or
new
new
issues
to
come
along.
So
I'm
going
to
call
on
jacob
lindsey
to
kind
of
lead
us
through
the
meetings
that
took
place
and
he'll
be
calling
on.
M
Well,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
members
of
council.
What
I'm
going
to
do
here
is
just
first
of
all
give
a
brief
introduction
to
the
project,
which,
of
course,
you
all
know
it's
been
through
significant
review.
A
number
of
public
meetings
planning
commission
has
endorsed
that.
It's
come
to
you
already
once
before,
and
now
we're
in
this
public
workshop,
as
requested
by
council,
the
developer
has
met
with
our
legal
team.
M
So
if
you'll
permit
me
to
do
it,
I'd
like
to
walk
you
through
that
memo
and
then
chip
you
and
I
can
just
walk
through
that
and
I'll
call
on
you
to
elaborate
as
needed
and
we'll
briefly
walk
through
that
memo
and
then
I'll
hand
it
back
over
to
you,
mr
mayor,
to
to
handle
questions
from
there.
I
know
the
applicant
is
also
present.
They
do
have
significant
a
number
of
slides
and,
and
I'm
sure
they
have
presentations.
M
G
M
Not
privileged
anymore,
sorry,
chip,
so
just
to
walk
through
these
notes
with
you.
So,
first
and
foremost,
the
developer
has
made
a
few
revisions
to
the
pud,
and
I'm
just
going
to
read
through
these,
so
we're
clear
on
everything.
That's
here.
First
and
foremost,
the
applicant
and
staff
are
working
on
a
few
proposed
revisions
to
the
pud.
M
Some
of
them,
as
outlined,
will
limit
the
applicant's
rights
based
on
public
comments.
Others
will
clarify
the
language
of
the
pud
c,
very
important.
No
additional
development
rights
are
proposed
as
a
result
of
these
changes,
so
there's
nothing
additional
being
granted
d,
an
additional
public
hearing.
If
you
all,
if
mayor
and
planning
director-
and
you
all,
are
comfortable
with
this-
they
could
have
an
additional
public
hearing.
This
is
not
required.
This
is
above
and
beyond
the
call
of
duty,
and
that
would
be
on
october
27th.
M
So
this
would
be
an
additional
public
hearing
above
and
beyond
what
they've
already
had
to
make
sure
there
is
no
no
one
who
wants
to
be
heard
on
the
matter
that
hasn't
been
heard.
There
will
also
be
some
concurrent
changes
in
height
which
will
come
forward
and
we'll
talk
about
that
later.
Both
of
those
could
could
be
commented
on.
At
the
same
time,.
G
M
G
No,
I
you
know,
I
think
and
I'll
explain
the
height
issue
later,
but
it
made
sense
to
do
a
second
public
hearing,
given
that
we
would
have
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
building
heights.
I
can
address
that
now
because
it
makes
sense
here
so
there's
a
when
you.
We
have
a
putt
ordinance
that
sets
out
the
parameters
of
what
a
pud
can
and
cannot
do.
G
One
of
those
parameters
is,
you
cannot
change
or
you
cannot
extend
vertically
extend
building
heights
beyond
what's
permitted
in
the
old
city,
height
districts,
so
in
order
to
most
of
the
site
is
what's
called
old
city
height
district
w,
which
is
it's
one
of
those.
It
doesn't
really
have
a
set
number
of
stories
or
feet.
What
it
does
is
you're
allowed
the
building
to
be
as
high
as
the
is
well.
Your
building
height
can
equal
the
amount
you're
building
is
set
back
from
the
nearest
public
right-of-way.
G
So,
if
you
want
to
put
you
know
a
very
large
park
in
front
of
a
building,
you
could
make
that
building
very,
very
tall.
If
it's
going
to
be
up
against
the
street,
it's
going
to
be
a
much
shorter
building.
So
that's
everything
on
mobile
island
zone,
w
under
the
old
city,
height
districts,
the
original
pud
is
reviewed
by
the
planning
commission
is
reviewed
by
city
council
on
september,
22nd
proposes
height
districts
for
each
portion
of
the
laurel
island
pud.
Those
have
been
reviewed,
nobody.
G
13Th
is
originally
planned
as
a
result,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
advertise
a
second
public
hearing
on
the
we
have
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
height
ordinance,
but
we'll
also
do
a
second
public
hearing
before
city
council.
On
the
the
the
reason,
the
put
orbits
itself
and
the
changes,
I
think
brian
and
I
are
very
close-
and
once
we
have
those
done,
there
will
not
be
a
problem
with
publishing
all
red
lines
which
again
don't
increase
development
rights
with
the
agenda
for
october
27th.
A
N
G
G
I
don't
think
you'd
want
to
do
that
or
you
could
line
everything
up
to
go
simultaneously
and
that's
that
made
sense,
and
you
know
again,
I
can't
emphasize
enough:
what's
in
that
new
height
ordinance
really
doesn't
change
any
of
the
height
districts,
any
any
of
the
permitted
height.
That's
already
been
in
the
pud
for
for
a
while.
Now
it's.
A
A
Absolutely
okay,
okay,
thanks
and
it
may
be
worthwhile
if
we
can
somehow
just
put
all
those
dates
together
and
let
people
know
so
they
know
all
those
opportunities.
I
think
that
would
actually
take
a
little
pressure
off
all
of
us
on
this
from
the
public
input
side.
Thank
you,
sir
no
problem.
Thank
you.
M
If
I,
if
I
may,
take
that
one
peter
there's,
there's
no
change
to
the
requested
height
on
laurel
island,
it's
the
same
height
that
you
all
reviewed
before
the
same
heights.
That
planning
commission
reviewed
before
the
reason
that
there's
this
additional
public
hearing
is
because
of
an
idiosyncrasy
of
the
way
that
we
regulate
heights
in
downtown
charleston.
They
require
a
separate
rezoning
process
from
a
pud,
but
there's
no
change
to
what
they're
requesting
on
normal
island
all
right.
M
Shall
I
continue
on
sounds
good,
okay,
so
the
next,
the
next
segment
in
memo
here
talks
about
the
process.
What
is
the
process
for
entitlement
regarding
this
project?
The
first
a
is
the
pud
rezoning
which
we
all
are
discussing
now,
and
this
simply
states
that
this
is
a
planned
unit.
Development
and
the
city
would
not
be
precluded
from
amending
the
planned
unit
development
in
the
future,
except
with
respect
to
the
rights
that
have
vested
the
same
as
any
other
project,
any
other
approval.
M
The
vested
rights
act
applies
after
a
two-year
vesting
period
to
the
pud
site
plan.
So
all
per
normal
procedure
b
is
the
development
agreement.
The
lawyer
for
the
applicant
anticipates
that
they
would
request
a
development
agreement
which
could
create
a
longer
vesting
period
for
the
pud
after
that's
in
place.
M
The
da
would
also
address
a
cultural
resources
plan,
the
specific
public
infrastructure
required
to
facilitate
the
development
and
the
time
with
at
which
such
infrastructure
needs
to
be
in
place.
The
same
thing
is
also
in
place
for
magnolia
for
west
edge,
for
all
the
large-scale
developments
that
you
all
are
familiar
with,
that
require
large
infrastructure.
M
It's
unclear
how
far
the
development
of
this
project
can
proceed
without
an
agreement
about
the
use
of
tiff
flu
to
funds,
the
environmental
history
and
the
access
issues,
such
as
a
bridge,
will
likely
require
public
participation
through
tiff
funds,
and
you
all,
of
course,
are
aware
of
this,
because
you
put
in
place
the
tiff
some
number
of
months
ago.
That
stated
all
of
those
things
in
the
tiff
language.
What
I'm
familiar
with,
because
I
I
wrote
that
language
myself,
so
so
you
all
have
already
in
effect,
voted
upon
this.
M
However,
the
agreement
would
spell
out
the
time
frame
and
the
the
specific
investments
and
ultimately
that
pii
gives
protection
to
the
city
as
well
as
to
the
developer.
In
terms
of
how
those
funds
could
be
used,
I
think
that's
pretty
straightforward.
If,
if
you
all
want
to
keep
moving,
we
can
do
that.
D
I
D
I
M
That's
correct,
council
member,
this
tip
is
actually
referred
to
as
the
morrison
drive
tax,
increment
financing
district,
and
it
is
for
use
not
only
for
infrastructure
on
more
on
on
on
laurel
island,
but
also
for
all
of
the
adjacent
properties
on
morrison
drive,
and
that
would
include
improvements
to
morrison
drive
itself.
That
would
include
improvements
to
other
streets
that
may
be
affected
by
the
development
of
laurel
island.
M
I
M
Council,
remember
that's
exactly
the
the
discussion
that
would
take
place
in
the
crafting
of
the
of
this
public
infrastructure
improvements
agreement,
so
it
does
not
spell
that
out
in
the
tif.
The
tif
enables
the
creation
of
this
fund,
and
the
agreement
that
we
are
looking
at
here.
Item
c
is
something
where
you
would
begin
to
spell
out
how
those
funds
could
be
used
and
the
time
frame
in
which
they
would
be
used.
So
that
is
that's
a
negotiation
which
is
yet
to
take
place.
I
Okay,
well,
thank
you
for
that
extra
time
because
I
do
feel
like
those
are
comments
that
would
be
relevant.
We've
heard
a
lot
from
the
community
about
streets
and
sidewalks,
and
you
know,
and
all
of
that
that
is
off
the
island,
so
I
think
it's
really
worth
making
sure
that
everyone
in
the
neighborhoods
surrounding
it
will
be
impacted
by
this
development.
I
appreciate
that.
G
Because
to
councilman
jackson's
point,
I
also
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
without
the
laurel
island
development
there's
there's
a
lot
less
money
in
the
tiff
fund
and
the
tiff
monies
do
have
to
be
spent
to
benefit
they
can't.
You
know
you
can
use
it
in
west
ashley.
It
has
to
benefit
the
properties
within
the
tif
district.
So
you
know
people
may
say
well.
Why
are
we
using
city
monies
to
do
x,
y
and
z,
on
for
new
development
on
laurel
island?
I
M
A
M
Q
Where
you,
mr
may,
I
want
to
follow
up
on
with
councilman
jackson
as
well
as
councilman
secretary
said.
You
know
when
we
hammer
out
this
agreement.
I
think
we
need
to
be
clear
on
how
who
decides
the
priority
of
that
spending.
For
example,
one
of
the
questions
that
come
up
with,
obviously
you
know
the
epic
center
is
there's
all
this
money
for
the
tif
that
we
did
with
ashley.
Q
It
was
all
done
for
the
epic
center
and
we
all
know
that's
not
the
case.
So
who
decides
when
something
needs
to
be
done,
and
that's
not
an
answer
I'm
asking
for
now,
but
when
that
agreement
comes
forth,
I'm
going
to
be
looking
for
it
when
dollars
are
spent,
because
the
developer
has
the
priority
or
does
the
city
has
the
priority
and
okay?
Q
G
That's
right,
thank
you.
The
city
would
control
the
tif
funds
and
and
just
to
also
clarify
it,
cannot
be
used
for
private
benefit.
They
cannot
be
used
for
private
benefit
because
I'm
sure
city
council
knows
for
the
general
public.
Any
tip
funds
would
have
to
go
to
improvements
that
are
ultimately
owned
or
managed
by
either
owned
by
the
city
and
managed
by
a
third
party
or
owned
and
maintained
by
the
the
city
or
some
other
governmental
entity.
They
could
not
be
used,
for
you
know
private
facilities
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
Q
No,
I
understand
that
mr
mcqueen,
but
you
know
the
city
has
used
tif
dollars.
You
know
for
landscaping
down
and
around
the
market
area
and
down
around
yeah
across
from
remember
to
school
down
there,
so
it
was
in
the
footprint.
I
understand
that,
but
in
this
case
we've
got
serious
drainage
problems
and
they're
gonna
have
serious
problems
on
that
island
that
they're
gonna
need
dollars,
for.
I
just
want
to
know
who
decides
and
I
think
when
this
agreement
comes
back,
that
should
be
clear.
Hopefully
it
shouldn't
be.
G
Yeah,
well
I
mean
it
it's
ultimately
up
to
the
city,
but
I
will
point
out
again:
it's
always
a
tough
situation,
because
it's
intended
to
facilitate
infill
development,
and
so
it's
it's
kind
of
up
to
the
city.
The
way
you
know,
I
always
say,
get
behind
the
project.
You
know
you
got
to
kind
of
be
all
in
on
the
project,
because,
if
you're,
not
if
that
project
doesn't
get
built,
if
that
development
doesn't
happen
or
half
of
it
happens,
you
know
you're
fighting
over
a
much
much
lesser
pot.
G
So
I
from
the
city
you
need
to
we.
We
have
a
reason
to
balance
that
as
opposed
to
just
using
it
for
other
things,
but
I
think
it's
ultimately
up
to
the
city
how
to
use
it-
and
I
I'll
talk
to
charlton,
to
make
sure
to
confirm
that
before
the
next
meeting,
because
I
don't
typically
practice
any
bond
law,
but
I
know
enough
to
to
say
a
lot
of
things
that
sound
smart,
that
aren't
necessarily.
M
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
just
moving
on
down
chip's
memo
here.
There
are
questions
that
have
risen
about
the
integrity
of
the
developer's
commitment
to
permanent
to
workforce
housing
and
chip
states.
Here
in
item
number
three
and
regarding
in
regards
to
the
permanent
workforce,
housing
says
he's
comfortable
that
10
of
all
the
dwelling
units
on
the
laurel
island
site
at
any
time
will
be
permanent
workforce
housing.
So
he
feels
confident
about
that
commitment.
M
In
the
pud
number
four,
the
amortized
workforce
housing
says
he
is
comfortable
that
at
least
10
of
all
the
dwelling
units
on
the
site
will
be
amortized
for
10
years
from
the
date
of
the
commencement
of
the
lease
term
for
the
units.
In
response
to
the
public
comments,
a
revision
of
this
section
of
the
pud
will
clarify
this
point.
So
chip
feels
good
about
those
commitments
and
there
will
be
clarity
in
the
both
language.
G
And
these
these
will
be
examples
where
public
comments
really
work,
because
a
couple
of
people
who
mentioned
the
language
in
that
section
of
the
pud
we
threw
out
we're
going
to
throw
out
some
of
the
language
specifically
based
on
those
comments.
So
you
know
I
I
think,
whoever
made
those
comments.
I
don't
have
the
the
minutes.
R
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
you
know
one
of
our
colleagues,
that's
not
on
the
call
right
now
is
the
author
of
that
amendment.
That's
council,
member
gregory's
amendment
and
just
for
the
benefit
of
everybody
watching
and
listening
his
his
concern
about
when
that
10-year
clock
starts,
was
accepted
by
the
developer
and
baked
into
the
pud
ordinance
that
that
chip
has
reviewed.
So
I
just
wanted
to
close
that
loop
in
case
anybody
had
any
questions.
R
M
You
very
cool
okay,
moving
right,
along
also
on
the
the
the
matter
of
afford
of
workforce
housing.
The
pud
provides
checkpoints
at
which
the
zoning
administrator
will
ensure
compliance
with
the
minimum
workforce.
Housing
requirements
in
the
pud
with
stated
a
different
way
as
the
laurel
island
project
goes
through
the
subdivision
and
land
development
approval
process,
as
it
makes
its
way
through
trc.
M
This
will
be
a
part
of
the
rules
that
it
has
to
comply
with,
so
zoning
in
my
department
will
make
sure
that
the
workforce
housing
is
a
part
of
it,
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
away
with
that
without
making
that
commitment.
So
we're
confident
about
that
point
and
I'll
keep
moving
along
here.
There
was
a
question
about
number
six,
that
sort
of
the
semantics
about
the
what
the
pods
mean
and
how
they
work.
M
The
development
of
the
pods
to
clarify
the
this
planned
unit
development
proposes
two
pods,
it's
just
a
term
that
they
use.
The
first
is
the
developed
portions
of
the
property.
Those
are
the
mixed
use.
Portions.
The
second
is
the
open
space
portion
and
nothing.
You
know
nothing
in
this
to
read
this.
The
zoning
ordinance
expressly
permits
the
application
to
designate
a
mixed-use
pod.
Nothing
in
the
zoning
ordinance
requires
more
than
one
pod,
but
the
pd
is
alpha
is
the
second
one
for
open
space
uses.
M
Council
member,
the
the
term
pod
dates
back
to
sort
of
the
beginning
of
land
use,
modern
land
use
planning
and
often
in
the
establishment
of
subdivisions
they're
there
in
the
past
and
in
the
present
would
be
different
areas
of
land
that
are
designated
as
groups
where
certain
things
will
be
built
conventionally.
You
would
say
this
is
the
pod
of
single
family
detached
this
is
the
pot
of
town
houses.
This
is
the
pod
with
retail.
M
That's
the
way
that
plant
unit
developments
are
often
designed
and
approved,
and
it's
simply
a
term
of
art
that
describes
an
area
of
land
use
within
the
master
plan.
That's
what
a
pod
is,
in
this
case,
they've
chosen
a
very
generalized
way
of
doing
it.
They're
saying
one
pod
is
the
mixed
use
area.
One
pod
is
the
open
space.
M
Okay,
hearing
no
other
questions
I'll
just
move
on
number
seven.
This
is
about
the
performance-based
zoning
or
traffic
as
a
metric.
Under
this
pud,
the
developer
may
convert
the
entitlements
from
one
type
of
land
use
into
a
right
to
develop
a
different
type
of
land
use
so
long
as
the
traffic
impact
is
neutral.
M
As
long
as
the
the
pm
peak
hour
is
is
improved
from
the
baseline,
so
you
can't
make
rush
out
pm
rush
hour
worse
as
a
result
of
the
conversion
of
uses
inside
the
pud.
Now
this
is
something
that
we
have
endorsed.
The
planning
department
has
endorsed
us
because
it
makes
sure
that
the
negative
impacts
on
the
city,
the
traffic
impact,
is
neutral,
and
it
gives
the
developer
flexibility
within
that
envelope
to
make
changes
over
time
and
adjustments
as
the
market
changes.
M
I
think
we
all
know
that
the
the
development
market
is
a
dynamic
thing,
especially
these
days
and
as
this
project
develops
over
the
next
20
to
30
years.
This
gives
them
the
level
of
flexibility
to
move
as
the
market
demands,
and
it's
all
subject
to
this
overall
constraint
of
making
sure
they
don't
generate
too
much
pm
traffic
and
we
we
support
that
that
metric.
M
M
The
first
is
that
the
developer
may
utilize
the
pm
peak
hour,
traffic
conversion
tables.
They
provide
a
table
so
one
they
can
use
that
and
they
can
convert
their
uses.
The
second
is
that,
upon
approval
of
the
their
own
laurel
island,
architectural
review
board
and
the
city
the
developer
may
convert
based
on
a
new
or
updated
traffic
study
that
shows
the
conversion
will
be
neutral
in
terms
of
traffic
impact.
This
is
also
subject
to
the
city's
director
of
traffic
and
transportation,
who
is
authorized
to
approve
the
conversion
based
on
the
standard
traffic
engineering
practices.
M
So
this
is
also
provided
specifically
to
acknowledge
the
fact
that
there
may
be
land
there
may
be
mode
changes
in
the
future.
We
maybe
there
may
be
more
transit
service
to
the
island.
There
may
be
other
ways
of
getting
on
and
off,
and
we
should
be
able
to
take
that
into
account
in
the
future
if
this
is
30
years
away.
That
just
gives
flexibility
that
the
city
and
laurel
island
together
can
change
that
metric.
Should
people
be
getting
around
in
a
different
way
in
the
future?
A
Thank
you,
and
I
was
going
to
ask
this
question
at
some
point
today,
but
now
it
seems
like
a
good
time
to
do
it
and
then
I
promise.
I
won't
ask
too
many
more
on
the
public
infrastructure,
the
biggest
piece
of
public
infrastructure.
I
think
single
piece
is
the
bridge.
That's
going
to
go
out
there
right
that
money's
going
to
be
money
from
that's
going
to
come
from
public
monies,
it'll
be
a
bridge.
I
have
two
questions.
One
is
who's
going
to
own
the
bridge.
G
A
And
then
more
germane
to
what
we're
talking
about
now
is
so
whenever
that
bridge
gets
approved
and
whenever
the
ownership
is
figured
out
and
whatever
the
schematics
are
on
it,
what
mechanism
is
there
in
the
putt?
If
any
or
do
we
have
here
at
the
city
to
ensure
that
the
modes
of
transportation
that
are
provided
for
on
the
bridge
are
going
to
be
provided
for
in
some
form
of
perpetuity?
A
G
And
I
think
what
will
likely
happen
is
that
the
bridge
and
any
of
the
roads
would
want
to
be.
They
would
want
to
publicly
dedicate
it
which
means
dedicated
to
the
city,
and
we
have
the
dedication
process
set
up
for
that
which
is
they
have
to
provide
to
your
maintenance
bond.
We
inspect
it
before
we
accept
it.
It's
got
to
comply
with
our
road
plan,
and
so
that
would
be
that,
would
that
would
be
the
most
likely
result,
in
which
case
we
would
control
in
perpetuity
unless
we
found
some
other
government.
M
G
M
This
pd
is
being
revised
to
prevent
the
development
of
no
more
than
7750
total
dwelling
units
within
the
pud
not
withstanding
any
other
provision
of
the
puv.
This
limit
on
units
could
only
be
changed
through
a
pud
amendment
approved
by
council
and
to
be
clear
about
this
number.
The
previous
proposal,
hypothetically,
could
have
allowed
many
more
than
that.
M
G
M
Section
3.3
is
being
revised
to
affirmatively
state
that
the
developer
will
be
responsible
for
all
public
infrastructure
improvements
and
the
city
will
not
be
responsible
for
funding
or
contributing
such
improvements
as
a
practical
matter.
The
tif
funding,
of
course,
will
be
necessary
to
facilitate
public
infrastructure
improvements
for
the
development
to
proceed
past
a
certain
point.
The
legal
right
to
develop
under
the
pud
should
not
be
confused
with
the
financial
feasibility
of
the
development
absent
the
use
of
tiff
funds
for
public
infrastructure
projects,
so
a
pd
doesn't
create
any
obligation
for
the
applicant
to
develop.
M
Zoning
cannot
compel
someone
to
build
something.
City.
Council
will
need
to
address
this
issue
in
the
form
of
a
development
agreement
or
the
pi
week.
In
the
meantime,
there's
no
commitment
from
the
city
to
help
fund
public
infrastructure
within
or
serving
the
development.
I
think
we've
discussed
that
quite
a
bit
here
during
this
meeting
that
these
these
matters
we
are
not
obligated
to
invest.
M
These
matters
will
be
determined
in
as
we
look
at
the
da
as
we
look
at
the
pie
and
as
city
council,
ultimately
approves
of
any
of
the
expenditures
that
happen
within
the
tif,
and
this
is
just
clearly
spelled
out.
I
think
that
that's,
I
think
those
things
are
inherently
hall
zoning,
but
this
is
just
being
made
clear
with
this
revision
to
section
3.3.
M
So
we'll
move
move
on
here
to
section
12
and
I
will
end
at
this
at
this
point
after
heights.
We've
also
addressed
this
a
little
bit
already
on
the
call
on
the
on
the
meeting,
and
if
we
want
to
dig
in
any
deeper
now
is
our
chance.
Under
the
heights,
a
a
new
ordinance
is
being
proposed
for
first
reading,
which
we
discussed,
and
why
would
we
do
this?
Why,
in
the
world
will
we
do
this?
M
So
this
is
a
separate
zoning
process
this.
How
does
this
change
the
building
heights
proposed
in
the
pud?
There
is
no
substantive
change
to
the
building
heights
proposed
under
the
pud,
as
we
mentioned
previously
on
the
call.
However,
we
just
got
to
go
through
that
process.
As
was
pointed
out,
when
you
add
in
the
public
hearings
around
the
height
changes,
the
height
ordinance.
This
will
have,
I
think,
six
public
hearings
in
total,
which
I
think
would
be
a
record
for
any
pud
in
the
city
of
charleston.
M
I
G
G
I
think
that's
really
just
a
matter
of
when
and
where
and
those
kind
of
things
we
do
have
a
provision
that
city
council
would
need
to
accept
and
again
this
would
probably
go
to
the
pie
agreement
for
the
parks
to
be
developed.
If
any
parks
are
developed
using
tif
funds,
city
council
would
need
to
approve
the
location,
etc
and
agree
to
accept
them.
When
they're
dedicated,
so
that's
really
the
development
agreement
issue
as
well.
I
P
Q
M
M
M
Q
Let
me
tell
you
what
I'm
asking
this
is
a
small
thing,
but
when
I
was
on
planet
commission,
you
know
in
the
last
century,
right
where
costco
and
and
hampton
inn
and
maryabi
and
all
that
stuff
is
on
savannah
highway,
the
nice
pretty
drawing
that
was
put
forth
to
the
planet.
Commission.
It
was
supposed
to
be
a
frankie
fund
parker,
and
all
of
that
was
there.
M
G
Yeah
and
here's
the
the
open
space
can't
be
moved
without
a
putt
amendment
approved
by
city
council.
So
there's
really
two
pods.
It's
mixed.
You
know
it's
it's
it's
simple
and
allows
them
maximum
flexibility
for
the
mixed
uses.
They
propose
within
the
developed
portions
of
the
site.
The
rest
is
going
to
be
open
space
and
you
can
see
where
the
this
is
the
land
use
plan,
but
the
development
areas
are
in
the
cream
color
and
the
open
space
pod
is
in
the.
As
you
can
see
in
the
green.
G
Q
G
A
lot
will
be
handled
to
the
site
plan
in
the
subdivision
process.
So
when
we
get
through
those
but
there's
no,
you
know
just
to
be
clear.
There's
really!
No,
you
know,
as
far
as
the
the
different
types
of
misu
mixed
uses,
which
are
retail
residential
office,
they
could
go
anywhere
within
these
cream
areas.
That's
the
plan
and
that
that
won't
they'll
show
those
in
sight
plans,
but
that
won't
require
any
further
zoning
approval
from
city
council.
Q
How
you
go
about
playing
in
the
city,
you
know,
that's
why
I
got
on
the
planet,
commission
and
I
don't
think
anybody
would
ride
over
there
today
and
say:
buddy
did
a
terrible
job,
we're
all
proud
of
it,
and
this
one
obviously
is
less
than
200
acres
versus
almost
four
thousand
acres.
You
know
he
had
some
pretty
different.
We
created
a
new
zoning
for
daniel
island
and
king
hoy
peninsula.
Q
D
R
A
M
M
Actually,
no
council,
member
that
that's
a
requirement
of
puds
of
planned
unit
developments
in
the
city,
zoning
ordinance.
Now,
if
the
location
of
that
changed,
that
would
have
to
be
done
through
a
council
amendment
to
the
pud,
but
that
total
overall
number
cannot
be
lesser
than
the
stated
amount,
because
that's
a
part
of
the
ordinance
you
would
have
to
change
the
land
use
ordinance
itself
to
enable
that.
M
R
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
think
that
just
you
know
listening
to
some
of
this
discussion
just
now
wanted
just
to
give
a
thought
here
that
I
think
will
help
us
kind
of
stay
constrained
in
these.
In
these
upcoming
conversations
today,
and
certainly
at
the
next
council
meeting,
we
are
not
looking
to
approve
a
development
here.
We
are.
We
are
being
asked
to
approve
zoning
for
a
potential
future
development
here.
In
other
words,
there
is
just
a.
R
We
can't
demand
a
level
of
specificity
and
precision
in
a
plan
of
this
magnitude
with
an
economic
horizon
in
a
planning
and
timing
and
development
horizon
so
indefinite
with
with
ultra
extreme
precision.
That's
not
how
regular
zoning
works.
What
a
pud
does
do
is
it
does
box
in
development?
Far
more
than
standard
euclidean
zoning,
I
mean
right
now
the
property
is
zoned,
light
industrial
pull
out
the
zoning
ordinances
table
of
uses.
You
will
see
a
list
of
potential
uses
a
mile,
a
mile
long
of
what
can
be
done
here.
R
So
what
a
pud
does
is,
for
example,
it
does
lock
in
open
space
hard
acreage
requirements,
but
when
you
start
getting
into
things
about,
you
know,
does
a
does
a
residential
unit
go
in
this
node
or
on
that
node
and
where
is
it
going
to
be
and
how
hot
all
is
going
to
be
and
where's
the
retail
going
to
go?
These
are
all
details
that
get
worked
out
way
further
down
the
line.
R
The
zoning
just
establishes
a
framework
for
this,
but
the
actual
development
is
something
that
takes
shape
into
the
future,
and
I
think
that
we
can-
and
we
should
put
all
kinds
of
constraints
and
limitations
on
this
putt
and
and
that's
already
baked
into
what
we've
been
talking
about
today.
But
the
expectation
ought
not
be
to
have
something
that
is
so
precise
that
you
know
that's
just
not
what,
where
we
are.
That's
that's
rarely.
If
ever
done
on
a
putt,
all
the
daniel
island
master
plan
did.
Is
it
just
said?
R
Okay,
here's
where
the
single
family
residences
are
going
to
be
here's
where
the
little
town
center
is
going
to
be
things
of
that
nature.
This
is
just
kind
of
a
different
deal,
they're
trying
to
be
a
little
bit
more
flexible
with
by
using
these
mixed-use
nodes,
as
opposed
to
designating
okay.
Here's
where
the
you
know,
retail's
gonna,
be
here's
where
the
affordable
housing
is
gonna,
be
things
like
that,
and
I
think
that
there's
nothing
wrong
with
flexibility.
R
We
want
flexibility
because
developers
know
how
to
put
a
good
product
on
the
market
and
because
a
bad
product's
not
going
to
sell
it's
not
going
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
day
and
there's
no
way
we
on
a
zoom
call
on
october,
7th
2020
have
any
idea
about
what
the
market
is
going
to
necessitate
and
demand
10
years
from
now,
20
years
from
now
even
longer
than
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
make
that
comment
just
to
kind
of
help.
I
guess
frame
this
discussion
a
little
bit.
G
D
B
I
just
think
that
that's
sort
of
what
I've
been
hearing
back
from
different
constituents
and
other
folks
are
interested
in
how
this
thing
is
going
to
be
laid
out
and
and
what
are
the
restrictions
on
it?
And
can
things
happen
differently?
So
I
think
councilman
rappel's,
a
comment.
Sort
of
just
sort
of
bring
that
home
to
everybody
is
that
there
are
certain
things
we
can
do
right
out
front.
B
To
put,
I
use
the
word
fences
or
boundaries
around
what
the
developer
can
and
cannot
do
with
all
of
this,
but
for
the
most
part
that's
this
is
our
one
shot
opportunity
to
to
do
that.
So
when
we're
talking
about
height
and
we're
talking
about
number
of
units
and
when
we're
talking
about
how
much
acres
of
green
space
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
all
the
questions
that
I've
heard
coming
from
my
colleagues
so
far,
those
are
the
things.
B
N
Q
This
is
the
time
right
now
in
this
pud
that
we
ensure
that
the
public
will
have
access
all
the
way
around
the
total
circumference
of
this
island,
and
that
has
to
be
put
in
writing.
That's
not
something
we
want
to
have
to
be
flexible
at
the
discretion
of
a
developer.
Now
these
developers
are
being
pointed
by
somebody's
from
charleston,
so
that's
great,
but
hypothetically
developments
can
be
bought
out
and
then
the
governing
document
is
going
to
be
that,
but
that
we
approve
in
the
next
week
or
two
or
30
days.
Q
Certainly
whenever
this
comes
up
so
those
portions
we
can
ensure
now
that
not
just
the
39.2
acres
but
public
access
around
the
total
circumference
of
this
island
is
just
a
wonderful
gift
that
this
group,
the
mayor
and
this
council,
can
ensure
for
generations
to
enjoy.
You
know
to
come
and
something
that
can't
be
bought
and
made
private.
Q
G
Yes,
sir
and
councilmember
waring
I'm
this
is
our
plan
unit
development
ordinance.
So
it
says
the
following
changes
should
be
considered
major
amendments
and
shall
be
approved
by
city
council
in
the
manner
provided
by
law
for
the
amendment
to
the
zoning
map
at
any
at
the
time
of
any
such
corrosive
amendment,
the
location
of
mixed-use,
pods
and
open
space
areas.
G
M
I'll,
just
I'll
just
add
to
that
council
member,
the
public
dedication
of
the
space
is
in
the
pud,
it
is
there
and
that
can
only
in
the
location
of
it
and
the
public
dedication
can
only
be
changed
by
an
action
of
a
future
city
council.
So
you're
we
hear
you
loud
and
clear
that
that
can
only
you
can
put
that
in
place
and
only
a
future
council
can
change
that.
M
D
I
I
I
I
D
Oh
great,
thank
you,
sir
okay,
so
if
I
may
give
the
courtesy
to
the
developer,
if
they
want
to
make
any
comments
at
this
point
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
other
public
comments
that
have
been
requested,
miss
clement.
Do
you
want
to
share
anything
at
this
point
or
mr
hellman?
I
see
you
there.
Oh
okay,
good.
P
D
C
T
All
right,
I
want
to
thank
you.
First
of
all
for
scheduling
the
workshop.
It's
been
very
informative,
but
I
know
that
I'm
just
one
of
many
who
are
still
very
concerned
that
the
pud
has
proposed
and
the
haste
with
which
it
is
going
through
the
review
process
will
end
us
up
with
something
that
we
don't
want
in
the
future.
T
I
have
two
major
areas
of
concern,
both
of
which
were
headlined
front
page
stories.
At
the
same
time
that
the
city
council
did
the
first
reading
and
approved
it
first
and
foremost,
the
city
is
in
the
midst
of
revising
the
comprehensive
plans
and
has
repeatedly
told
us
how
important
it
is,
and
we
agree.
T
What
we
can't
understand
is
how
you
could
possibly
consider
approving
the
pud
as
it's
written
without
knowing
whether
it
will
conform
to
the
comprehensive
plan
when
it's
done
or
whether
there
will
be
any
way
to
change
it.
If
it
does
not
as
it
now
stands,
the
city
would
be
giving
the
developer
the
majority
of
the
control
over
any
changes
and
certainly
based
on
the
discussion
today.
T
C
U
That's
okay,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
a
lot
of
the
language
has
been
cleaned
up
regarding
some
of
the
areas
of
concern.
However,
I
am
still
very
concerned,
as
as
other
people
are
about
the
developers
control
over
this
project,
I'm
concerned
about
their
financial
influence
they
and
their
associated
companies.
Employees
donated
eighteen
thousand
dollars
to
mayor
tekler's
campaign
last
year
and
his
son
works
for
them
and
he's
so.
I'm
just
concerned
about
these
influences
affecting
city
council's
decisions
in
regards
to
affordable
housing.
U
50
of
charleston
area
renters
cannot
afford
their
housing,
so
10
percent
of
permanent,
affordable
housing
for
this
development
seems
extremely
low.
Considering
that
housing
costs
are
just
going
up.
So
I'd
really
like
to
agree
with
councilwoman
jackson
that
we
really
need
to
make
this
more
permanent.
Thank
you.
V
L
L
But
our
main
request
is
that
you
hold
the
line
and
require
this
application
to
provide
a
pud
that
not
only
meets
the
law
but
the
long-held
standards
of
the
city.
I
hope
you
all
are
able
to
review
the
quick
analysis
of
the
daniel
island
pub
that
we
provided.
That
shows
really
how
insufficient
this
application
is,
and
this
is
not
opinion.
L
We
urge
you
to
fix
it
because
once
approved
you're
going
to
give
up
the
opportunity
to
shape
the
future,
I
respectfully
disagree
because
the
zoning,
the
use
the
densities
those
are
set
and
that's
not
going
to
happen
in
the
development
agreement.
This
putt
affords
an
open-ended
entitlement
if
the
lie
bar
and
the
city
can
amend
these.
My
question
on
that
is,
is
how
does
that
work?
How
does
the
city
actually
approve
that
change?
What
mechanism
is
in
place?
You
know,
as
proposed
as
I
read
it,
and
it's
our
opinion.
L
I
don't
think
they'll
ever
have
to
come
back
before
you.
I
think
they're
presenting
one
plan
but
they're
entitled
for
another,
and
we
don't
need
an
11
000
unit
apartment
complex
on
this
property
or
anywhere
in
the
city
for
that
matter.
So
please
recognize
that
apartments
offer
the
highest
return
in
this
market
and
I
do
not
need
to
ask,
but
since
we
did,
I
do
need
to
ask
that,
since
when
did
a
neutral
traffic
impact
become
the
driving
vision
for
the
future
of
our
city?
L
We
urge
you
to
ask
for
better
and
if
the
residents
are
to
pay
for
the
infrastructure,
they
should
know
about
it
and
I
don't
believe
they
do.
The
height
districts
honestly
just
highlights
how
rush
this
is,
and
I
think
we
need
to
to
call
that
out.
We're
increasingly
concerned
by
the
city's
approach
to
managing
development
and
ask
that
you
look
at
pubs
like
this.
The
epic
center
kane
hoy
longbow.
We
can't
do
this
anymore.
We
can't
go
on
hopes.
L
We've
got
to
require
great
developments,
we've
got
to
demand
better
and
lastly,
I'll
just
state
that
our
concern
over
approving
this.
We
only
had
three
days
notice
for
this
meeting
and
a
lot
of
people
reached
out
because
they
work
at
three
o'clock
in
the
afternoon,
and
we
urge
you
to
continue
to
do
public
workshops
and
to
advertise
those
in
advance
and
I'm
sure
you've
heard
enough.
But
we
urge
you
and
we'll
continue
to
push
for
excellence
on
this
site.
Thank
you.
R
V
H
V
W
V
W
We'll
pass
within
five
feet
of
the
entrance
of
the
cool
blow
condominiums
where
I
live.
We
have
heard
today
that
4
000
residences
is
the
target,
be
over
a
million
feet
of
retail
space,
and
that
would
put
seven
to
ten
thousand
cars
on
this
two-lane
residential
street
trip.
The
cool
blow
in
the
afternoon
will
also
result
in
you,
seeing
these
five-year-old
children
walking
biking
and
playing
in
the
middle
of
cool
blow.
Street
offense
isn't
the
answer,
because
fences
never
stopped
a
curious
child.
W
W
Has
a
arms-length
third-party
engineer
confirmed
that
romney
street
can't
be
built?
I'm
sure
the
coastal
conservation
league
would
be
happy
to
find
that
third-party
engineer
and
does
the
development
of
the
huge,
complex,
foundry
point
which
practically
touches
romney
street
play
into
this
now.
I
understand
this
is
an
opportunity
for
a
great
new
tax
base,
but
the
env,
if
the
end
result
is
endangering
lives
and
the
absolute
destruction
of
the
value
of
the
cool
bro
condominiums
one
of
the
last
poorest
services
north
of
the
bridge.
D
J
We
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
listen
to
council
discussion
today
and
to
provide
our
our
comments
and
we're
encouraged
by
much
of
what
we've
heard
today
and
we
believe
it
reinforces
the
point
that
there
are
still
many
aspects
of
this
plan
that
continue
to
evolve
and
there's
still
a
need
for
robust
public
engagement
about
this
important
development
site
before
it
continues
through
the
approval
process.
So
we
are
encouraged
by
your
intention
to
have
additional
public
comment
opportunities.
J
J
I
encourage
you
to
strike
the
right
balance
between
certainty
and
a
desire
to
provide
flexibility
to
adjust
for
unforeseen
changes
in
the
future
by
allowing
legally
binding
language
to
be
too
loose
or
vague.
It
runs
the
risk
of
not
being
able
to
have
the
right
checks
and
balances
on
what
the
public
should
expect
of
the
development
into
the
future.
As
opposed
to
courier
said
today,
the
details
are
important.
J
J
J
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
cash
and
roller
charleston
foundation.
As
you
all
know,
we
have
been
actively
engaged
in
the
development
of
the
laurel
islands
hud
with
an
ultimate
goal
to
ensure
that
this
project
becomes
a
model
for
infill
development
and
enhances
surrounding
neighborhoods
and
contributes
to
charleston's
overall
sense
of
place.
D
E
Okay,
yeah
no
worries.
I
would
just
want
the
mission.
I
don't
want
to
be
the
dead
horse.
I
know
of
the
affordable
housing
commission.
I
do
want
to
commend
carol
jackson,
councilmember
carroll
jackson,
in
regards
to
being
a
big
proponent
of
pushing
that
term,
affordable
housing
for
25
years.
I
want
to
method,
I
know
a
lot
of
people
speaking
on
it,
but
also
I
don't
want
to
be
there,
of
course.
E
And
if
you
go
to
daniel
island,
it's
not
a
lot
of
minority
owned
businesses.
So
we
want
some
sort
of
agreement
from
the
developer
that
says
that
they
will
prioritize
that,
especially
with
the
loss
of
martha
lewis
and
a
lot
of
different
might
already
own
businesses
and
black
owned
businesses,
specifically
in
downtown
and,
like
I
said,
I
want
to
keep
my
comments
brief,
but
I
do
want
some
sort
of
agreement
by
the
developer
in
regards
to
supporting
black
owned
businesses
in
charleston
and
downtown
tristan.
Specifically.
K
C
D
Great
well,
thank
you
jennifer.
I
appreciate
that
so
with
the
blessing
of
counsel
and
given
the
time
I'd
like
to
proceed
on
to
our
next
topic,
which
is
the
preservation
of
the
saint
julian
divine
community
center
smokestacks,
and
as
we
just
did,
I'd
like
to
ask
some
a
few
of
our
staff
members
share
some
comments
with
you.
Things
we've
been
working
on
and
then
we'll
open
up
for
some
council
discussion
and
then
take
public
comments.
One
thing
that
was
clear
to
us
at
our
last
meeting,
given
the
order.
D
That
was
our
letter
that
was
signed
by
our
chief
building
official,
who
is
with
us
today.
Ken
granada
was
that
this,
regardless
of
which
path
we
took
to
make
the
smokestacks
safer,
that
we
needed
to
have
a
plan
in
place
to
evacuate
the
immediate
vicinity
in
the
event
of
a
high
wind
event
or
in
order
to
inspect
the
stacks
after
a
seismic
event.
So
shannon
scaff,
our
emergency
director
has
been
working
on
that
and
shannon.
X
X
This
graphic
here
is
just
as
it
says,
the
hazardous
radius
and
you
can
see
the
two
stars
there.
Basically,
symbols
of
the
the
two
stacks
themselves,
135
feet
high
and
then
the
properties
identified
with
blue
dots
and
then
sort
of
the
red
fields.
There
two
rings
the
first
one
the
interior
ring
is
basically
from
center
point
out
135
feet.
X
What
that
shows
us
is
that
that,
with
anything
within
that
ring,
there
would
be
a
direct
impact
if
the
if
the
stacks
were
have
a
failure
of
the
structure
itself
and
then
the
outer
ring
is
225
feet
and
that's
what
the
engineers
believe
that
outer
ring
would
be
affected
by
you
know
the
continued
energy
as
the
as
the
stacks
fell.
They
would
continue
to
move
outward
into
that
second
ring.
There.
X
Let's
see
here,
the
thresholds
obviously
we're
about.
I
think
we
got
about
53
days-
left
of
hurricane
season,
knock
on
wood,
we're
hopefully
going
to
be
in
good
shape
for
the
rest
of
the
season,
but
in
the
event
that
we
that
we
do
see
another
named
storm
system,
there
are
some
wind
thresholds
that
we
need
to
consider,
as
well
as
a
seismic
event
or
earthquake.
X
X
So
what
would
we
do
in
the
case
of
one
of
those
two
well
a
nose
to
evacuate
for
when
would
likely
take
place,
36
hours
plus
or
minus
12
before
the
onset
of
74
mile
per
hour?
Winds
recall
that
isis
did
not
result
in
an
evacuation
in
south
carolina,
but
with
that
being
said,
you
know
we
can
likely
see
that
there
would
not
be
one
for
a
low
category
storm
a
category
one.
We
can
expect
there.
We
wouldn't
likely
see
evacuations.
X
However,
given
what
I've
just
said
to
you,
we
would
look
to
evacuate
that
immediate,
immediate
area
because
of
the
stacks
themselves
and
what
the
engineering
assessment
found
the
city
will
use
the
contact
information
provided
by
the
residents
to
send
out
an
order
to
evacuate
that
order
would
come
from
the
mayor.
Obviously,
in
a
situation
like
that,
we
would
look
to
communicate
in
emergency
management
with
the
mayor
of
council,
the
fire.
X
Conducted
door
to
door
to
notify
residents
of
the
evacuation
order,
the
city
of
charleston
will
provide
hotel
rooms
for
evacuees
and
we'll
also
interrupt
with
carta,
to
provide
transportation
to
and
from
the
temporary
lodging
accommodations
for
those
who
require
it.
We'll
look
to
nail
that
down
in
that
36
hour
window.
Again,
that's
36
hours
from
the
onset
of
those
those
wins
that
we've
talked
about
and
then,
as
the
citizens
are
moved
into
the
temporary
lodging
accommodations.
X
We
would
look
to
plus
up
in
the
via
charleston
police
department
for
those
areas
just
to
do
heightened
security
for
the
unoccupied
homes
again
about
53-ish
days
left
in
the
hurricane
season.
So
I've
got
my
fingers
tightly
crossed,
but
we're
watching
things
very
closely
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
communicate
efficiently
with
all
of
those
who
are
concerned
about
this
particular
incident
and
mr
mayor
I'll
go
ahead
and
toss
it
back
to
you
if
you
or
members
of
council,
if
you
have
any
questions
for
me
regarding
the
evacuation
plan,.
D
At
this
point,
I
refer
to
them
as
door
number,
one
which
is
total
demolition
and
removal
door
number
two:
a
partial
removal,
reduction
of
the
height
and
securing
preserving
the
stacks
at
a
safer
height
and
third
door
number
three
would
be
a
preservation
of
the
stacks
at
their
existing
height
if
it's
determined
that
can
be
done
safely.
So,
edmund
on
to
you.
Y
Y
Y
This
area
was
selected
between
cooper,
river
and
east
bay
and
drake
streets
there.
Shortly
thereafter,
they
worked
on
plans
to
for
the
incinerator
building
in
one
smokestack.
Those
plans
were
completed
in
3334
and
the
final
image.
On
the
right
hand,
side
there
was
the
incinerator
completed
in
35
and
I
believe
that
photo
was
taken
from
the
cooper
river
bridge.
Y
Y
Y
So
shortly
there
after
the
first
one
was
built,
it
was
way
over
capacity
and
they
started
developing
plans
for
an
expansion
to
the
incinerator
building,
as
well
as
the
second
smoke
stack.
I
know
it's
hard
to
see
that
image,
but
to
the
top
of
the
bluish
image.
There
was
the
expansion
and
you
can
see
a
circle
there
for
the
the
second
smoke
stack
that
was
requested
in
41
and
the
expansion
was
completed
in
44.
Y
and
a
few
years
later,
the
city
chose
or
city
council
chose
to
close
the
incinerator
in
an
effort
to
start
filling
land
marsh
areas
to
create
more
land
to
develop
on.
So
just
a
recap.
The
second
smoke
stack
is
the
north
stack
and
which
was
completed
in
44
closed
in
56,
so
that
one
was
open
for
about
12
years.
So
the
service
life
of
about
12
years,
the
first
stack
in
the
incinerator
had
about
a
service
life
of
about
21
years
next
slide.
Please.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Was
the
history
that
I
was
able
to
go
back
to
into
the
early
60s,
and
this
is
basically
a
documentation
of
inspections
that
were
performed
going
back
after
the
smoke?
Stacks
were
were
closed,
so
the
earliest
one
I
found
was
in
62,
and
you
know
these
inspections
are
very
interesting.
Looking
it's,
it's
usually
just
a
one
page
piece
of
paper
and
it
had
a
couple
of
sentences.
We
inspected
it
and
it
looked
good.
Y
I
wanted
to
kind
of
pick
up
there
at
2016,
which
is
really
the
the
most
recent
time
was
when
we
had
a
stack
inspection
and
that
date
is
a
little
misleading.
We
actually
received
the
report
december
30th
2016.,
but
that's
when
the
report
was
submitted
to
us
and
we
essentially
knew
that
you
know
something
is
going
on
with
this.
That
needs
our
immediate
attention.
Y
Unfortunately,
they
had
made
commitments
to
a
couple
other
their
clients
and
they
would
not
be
able
to
attend
this
but
said
that
they
could
attend
the
city
council
tuesday
night
meeting,
but
they
did
want
to
speak
to
really
from
from
2016
on
to
the
present
date.
So
I
didn't
want
to
go
into
any
more
detail
in
that.
Unless
mayor,
you
felt
like
I
needed
to
touch
on
any
other
items
in
there,
I
could
proceed
on
to
the
other
images.
Y
Okay,
so
in
that
report
in
2016
next
slide,
please
thank
you.
We
wanted
to
kind
of
just
grab
a
couple
of
the
photos
documenting
the
current
condition
of
the
exterior
of
the
chimneys,
which
is
a
lot
easier
to
see
than
the
interior
and
two
of
the
things
to
note
in
this
image
here,
on
the
right
hand,
side
you
have
kind
of
the
typical
mortar
erosion
over
time,
and
this
is
typically
remediated
by
repointing
the
brick
and
you
can
kind
of
see
how
that
mortar
is
just
gone
and
those
vertical
joints
right
there.
Y
Next
slide.
Please-
and
this
slide
actually
captures
that
a
little
bit
better,
it's
a
straight
on
shot
and
how
that
cracking
has
gone
vertical
and
trace
that
ladder
rung
system
all
the
way
up
to
the
top
a
little
bit
more
visual
visible
on
the
left
hand,
image
there
next
slide,
please,
but
what
we
can't
see-
and
the
report
documented
fairly
well-
is
what's
going
on
on
the
inside
of
the
chimney.
D
Y
Try
it
yes,
sir.
Actually,
the
microphone
is
right
here.
Oh,
it
is
okay,
so
the
the
liner,
the
liner
brick
on
the
interior,
is,
is
what's
most
concerning
right
now,
and
these
images
are
for
the
north
tower,
the
one
that's
closest
to
cooper,
grouper
street,
and
what
we
see
is
this
kind
of
serpentine
crack.
That
starts
all
the
way
at
the
ground
floor
and
it
goes
all
the
way
up
to
the
top
of
the
chimney
and
what's
most
concerning
about
this,
is
you
can
kind
of
see
that
gap
in
the
brick?
Y
Y
Y
What
we
don't
have
drawings
for-
and
we
don't
have
an
exact
cost
for-
would
be
estimated
restoration
for
the
remainder
of
the
structures.
It
would
need
an
additional
top
put
on
it.
All
the
reporting
work,
the
the
line
of
brick
work
on
the
interior,
and
that
would
be
an
additional
what
we
estimated
at
1.625
million
dollars
for
that
at
a
total
of
just
above
2
million
dollars.
Y
Y
D
All
right:
well,
let's
leave
it
on
the
slide
with
the
dollar
figures
on
it.
If
you
don't
mind
edmond
and-
and
I
do
want
to
share
with
council
and
those
who
are
on
the
call
at
this
at
this
time
that
the
the
cost
estimate
for
the
door
number
two,
as
I
call
it,
the
partial
reduction
really
came
to
light
a
little
more
sharply
in
focus.
D
Just
just
yesterday,
we
had
had
that
figure
even
at
our
last
council
member
of
meeting
of
450
000,
but
but
that
was
just
for
the
reduction
and
not
for
the
preservation
of
what
remained,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
new
information,
and
in
fact
this
option
costs
more
money
than
I
originally
had
thought
it
would
and
as
many
things
do
and
and
in
fact
makes
it
closer
to
the
cost
of
a
full
renovation.
So
that's
something
we
may
want
to
talk
about.
D
O
Thank
you
thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you
council
for
giving
me
a
chance
to
speak
about
it.
Yes,
you
know,
when
parks
department
came
to
me
with
the
the
2018
document,
craig
bennett's
document,
and
I
went
over
what
over
it
and
went
over
the
previous
documents
that
supported
that
his
report
and
then
had
multiple
conversations
with
craig
about
his
report
and
about
his
perspective
on
the
the
current
condition
and
stability
of
of
the
building
or
the
both
those
structures
and
further
conversations
with
parks.
O
I
I
decided
that
that,
because
of
the
scale
of
the
potential
public,
you
know
danger
to
the
public,
I'm
most
familiar
being
here
in
charleston
for
six
years,
the
two-story
charleston
single
that
has
been
neglected,
to
say
the
least
and
is
a
public
safety
hazard.
But
nothing
like
these
two
smoke
stacks.
O
Well,
you
know
the
axial
load.
If
you
will,
you
know
just
staying
there
in
its
present
state
without
any
large
energy
vibration,
lateral
vibrations
like
a
seismic
event
or
one
event,
it's
it's!
Okay
on
you
know,
day
to
day,
but
but
you
start
to
put
those
kind
of
stresses
on
it,
we're
not
sure
what
it
can
do
and
so
that
that's
why
the
letter
is
the
way
it
is
and
that's
why
we
we
were
asking
in
and
in
following
through
on
the
evacuation
plan.
O
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
ken
I
appreciate
it
and-
and
I
want
to
share-
I
know,
council
knows
this,
but
just
keep
this
in
perspective-
that
we're
completing
a
basically
a
three
million
dollar
project
of
rehabbing
the
whole
st
julian
divine
community
center.
The
park
space,
a
new
playground,
is
about
to
arrive
and
and
dealing
with
this
issue
of
the
smokestacks
was
part
of
that
project
all
along
now.
D
Admittedly,
our
budget
did
not
match
what
one
of
these
alternatives
two
of
these
alternatives
in
order
to,
and
that
caused
us
to
pause
a
little
bit
honestly.
So
ken
I'm
glad
this
has
happened.
That
letter
came
forward.
It's
going
to,
I
guess,
force
the
question
of
funding
repair,
full
repair
of
the
the
stacks
or
not,
and
we'll
figure
this
out
promptly
and
move
on
forward.
So
one
of
the
questions
that
also
arose
at
our
last
meeting
will
gee.
D
As
you
all
know,
our
general
fund
budget
is
in
shambles
and
away
from
coronavirus,
loss
of
income,
but
fortunately-
and
that's
where
most
of
the
funding
came
from
for
the
the
renovation
of
of
the
building
and
the
park
was
from
this
tif
district
and
it's
really
the
only
viable
source
that
we
have
if
we
were
to
make
a
decision
to
to
do
more
so
amy.
If
you
bring
us
up
to
date
on
on
that.
Z
Okay,
so
right
now
in
the
budget
for
the
stacks,
we
have
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
when
you're
talking
about
door
number
two
or
door
number
three
you're
talking
about
a
significant
amount
more
than
what
we
have
budgeted
so
right
now
we
could
probably
borrow
in
the
cooper
river
bridge
tiff
district.
We
could
probably
do
a
borrowing
of
probably
10
to
12
million
dollars
with
the
revenue
that
we're
getting
currently.
D
And
and
through
our
community
development
committee
and
then
further
approval
through
council,
we
basically
allocated
that
12
million-
it's
not
all
been
spent
yet,
but
we
allocated
that
to
affordable
housing
to
the
julian
divine
center
renovation,
to
some
other
sidewalk
improvements
for
affordable
housing
and
various
things,
and
we
can
show
you
that
list
again.
If
you
want
I'm
going
to
bring
it
to
community
development
committee
on
thursday.
D
D
We
don't
know
how
much
those
improvements
really
going
to
cost.
Yet
we
have
aecom
doing
a
study
of
the
east
side.
Now
that
will
generate
proposed
projects
just
like
we
recently
did
on
james
island
and
the
duwop
area.
So
the
likelihood
is
we're
going
to
need
every
penny
we
can
by
the
time
we
get
done
with
those
projects
and
affordable
housing
and
parks,
and
all
these
other
priorities
we
have.
D
But
so
we
got
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
left,
you
know,
and
that
would
cover
door
number
one
if
you
wanted
to
decide
just
to
demolish
the
stacks.
If
you
want
to
go
door
number
two
and
do
a
partial
reduction
in
renovation
you're
going
to
have
you're
going
to
have
to
add
another
1.3
million
dollars
and
if
you
did,
the
full
preservation.
P
D
Dollars
so
the
delta,
the
difference
between
door
number
two
and
door
number.
Three,
frankly,
is
I
I
don't
want
to
belittle
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars,
that's
a
lot
of
money,
but
the
difference
is
only
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
be
honest
with
you,
based
on
the
information
that
I
and
we
had
at
our
last
meeting,
that
delta
was
more
like
a
couple
of
million
dollars.
D
So
honestly,
it's
it's
not
as
much
delta
difference
between
the
two,
those
two
options,
as
I
had
thought
previously,
and
so
next
I'm
going
to
call
on
councilmember
mitchell.
This
is
in
his
district.
We
attended
meetings
both
monday
and
tuesday
night.
We
heard
from
residents
that
lived
there
and
we've
been.
You
know
concerning
this
information
council
member
mitchell.
AA
Yes,
mr
mayor,
the
two
news
we
attended,
I
heard
from
the
the
various
residents
all
the
east
side
pertaining
to
the
smokestack
and
most
of
the
residents
would
like
to
see
the
smoke
stacks.
Both
smoke
stacks
re
remain
as
it
is
when
I
came
up
with
that
recommendation
of
bringing
it
down
both
smoke
stacked
halfway
and
at
the
time.
I
wasn't
aware
of
this
new
information
so
far
as
the
cost
factor
between
the
bringing
it
down
halfway
and
letting
it
stay
up.
AA
So
my
position
on
this
now,
if
it's
going
to
cause
the
cost
factor,
the
way
it
is
now
I
would
just
say
we
should
go
on-
is
let
the
the
both
repair
both
smoke
stack.
The
way
it
is
let
both
of
them
stay
up.
You
know,
because
of
our
of
the
the
cost
factor
is
so
close
together,
so
that
would
be
my
recommendation
even
when
they
come
to
the
council.
AA
That
would
be
my
recommendation
that
we
take
a
serious
look
that
look
at
it
to
this,
to
have
both
smokestack
remain
and
to
repair
both
smokestack
and
the
way
it
is
right
now
and
because
of
the
new
information
that
I
received
with
the
cost
factor
of
just
bringing
the
smokestacks
down,
and
that's
that's.
That's
would
be
that.
D
Even
with
the
shorter
stack,
it
would
be
safer
because
you
know
you
don't
have
gravity
as
much
at
work
on
so
much
material,
but
you'd
still
have
to
re-point
the
bricks
you'd
still
have
to
mobilize
and
demo
mobilize
all
the
contractors.
You'd
still
have
to
design
a
system
to
to
stabilize
what's
left.
So
honestly,
I,
after
hearing
our
citizens
for
the
last
couple
of
nights
and
and
knowing
these
cost
differentials,
I
concur
with
councilmember
mitchell
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
wise
thing
to
do
back
to
councilmember
mitchell.
Q
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
when
it
comes
to
just
renovate
and
repair.
The
first
item.
First
bullet
point:
renovating
repair
chimneys
at
three
million
dollars.
I
mean
how
accurate
is
that
I
mean
mr
moles,
I
mean
we
we
get
into
something
here.
Are
we
subject
to
run
into
some
kind
of
crazy
change
artist
I
mean
do
we?
How
much
of
this
do
we
actually
know
so.
Y
They
went
through
and
they
prepared
this
cost
estimate
in
great
detail.
But
what
bennett
bennett's
office
did
was
they
went
one
step
further.
Was
they
looked
at
a
reference
example
of
a
chimney
very
similar
in
size,
but
that
was
in
worse
shape
and
they
bounced
the
numbers
that
they
prepared
for
our
chimneys
off.
That
number,
and
it
was
very
close-
it
was
about
2.8
million
dollars
for
that
one.
So
we
feel
good
about
that
number.
That
three
million
dollar
number.
D
That
being
said,
I
think
that
the
path
forward
would
be
to
have
craig
the
engineer
come
up
with
the
specific
design,
correct,
edmund
and
and
before
you
would
make
sure
it
could
be
done
safely.
Number
one
and
number
two
at
that
point
international
chimney
could
confirm
a
cost
estimate
before
we
could
proceed.
Y
F
Do
you
know
edmund
or
could
we
find
out?
Is
there
a
difference
in
the
lifespan
of
doing
of
keeping
the
chimneys
at
the
full
height
and
renovating
versus
the
reduction
in
height?
So
in
other
words,
while
the
cost
right
now
may
be
close,
are
we
looking
at?
Are
we
gonna
have
to
do
something
again
soon
down
the
road
in
one
versus
the
other?
That
would
then
explode
the
cost
of
one
versus
the
other.
Y
J
Y
D
H
In
the
shadow
of
of
sanders.
Clyde
in
the
neighborhoods
that
still
flood
in
the
shadow
of
these
smokestacks
to
me,
it's
just
crazy
and
I
I
just
have
to
say
you
know
as
a
as
a
new
council
member,
and
this
is
one
of
the
decisions
right.
I
just
feel
like
this
is
a
no-brainer
now
I
think
we
should
support
the
preservation
community
in
their
efforts.
P
D
S
S
S
You
look
at
that
slide
that
you
showed
pre.
Just
briefly,
that
shows
the
hazard
area
there's
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
a
lot
of
people
that
are
affected.
If
anything
happens
to
these
smoke
stacks,
so
I
I
think
that,
with
the
reduction
in
height
end
up
being
a
lot
closer
to
the
renovation
and
repair,
I
think
really.
We
have
really
two
trains
of
thought.
I
think
you
either
demolish
them
or
you
repair
them.
S
I
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
spend
over
2
million,
you
might
as
well
probably
spend
the
whole
three,
I'm
kind
of
more
on
the
train
of
thought
now
that
it's
probably
better
to
take
them
down
fully.
If
we
can't
get
any
private
support,
we
need
to
do
everything
we
can
to
like
jason,
like
councilmember
sacramento,
said
to
stay
within
our
budget,
which
we
could
do
and
honestly.
S
I
I
I
guess
you
know
I
I
I
live
over
on
james
island,
so
I
don't
see
the
smoke
stacks
unless
I
drive
to
trader
joe's
every
other
week
to
do
my
regular
shopping.
They
are
a
symbol
of
that
that
side
of
the
peninsula
there's
no
question
about
it
in
the
same
way
that
the
cigar
factory
has
been
have
a
new
life
of
providing
identity
to
the
original,
more
industrial
manufacturing
uses
of
the
city,
and
I
I'm
I'm
really
intrigued
by
the
dedication
of
the
current
neighborhood
on
the
east
side.
I
That
really
loves
these
stacks,
as
is
what
they
say,
is
an
icon
of
identity
for
their
neighborhood.
So
I
I
don't
want
to
be
at
all
disrespectful
or
dismissive.
I.
I
will
not
be
dismissive
of
those
concerns,
but
I
do
feel
like
the
good
news
that
is
wharton
gave
us
today
is
that
there
there
are
more
funds
that
can
come
out
of
the
tiff.
I
I
A
lot
of
us
are
on
the
community
development
committee,
and
about
a
month
ago
we
had
a
really
exciting
engaging
presentation,
in
my
opinion,
about
the
possibilities
of
how
to
preserve
a
lot
of
properties
in
eastside,
redevelop
for
affordable
housing
purposes
and
implement
the
stormwater
vision
and
design
that
the
dutch
dialogue
spent.
You
know
a
significant
part
of
their
study
on
on
behalf
of
that
part
of
the
peninsula
and
if
we
didn't
have
covert
going
on
this
would
be
the
perfect
sets
of
decisions
and
explorations
where
we'd
bring
the
community
together.
I
We'd
lay
out
the
resources
available
and
then
all
agree
that
it's
a
finite
pie
that
we
have
to
spend-
and
here
are
the
here-
are
the
options
about
how
to
spend
it
and
and
take
that
kind
of
evaluative
temperature
from
the
people
who
live
where
we
want
to
help
them.
You
know
be
comfortable
and
safe
from
the
sea
level
rise
and
and
everything
else,
that's
going
to
happen
with
the
climate
impacts
in
our
region.
I
I
I
don't
know
how
much
time
we
have
I
mean
it
sounds
like
we
have
a
reasonable
evacuation
plan
knock
on
wood.
We
are
going
to
go
through
the
storm
season
without
a
huge
event,
and
maybe
we
should
you
know,
plan
to
take
some
more
time
to
to
let
the
community
really
understand
all
the
parameters
and
what
they
would
be
giving
up
if
private
sources
are
not
able
to
pay
the
three
million
dollars
which
you
know.
Frankly,
I
wouldn't
want
the
preservation
community
to
expend
that
kind
of
energy
on
one
set
of
projects
either.
I
I
know
that
the
preservation
society
just
went
through
a
huge
endowment,
fundraising
campaign
that
you
know
has
gone
on
for
over
a
year
and
my
recollection
as
a
member.
It's
like
six
million
dollars
and
they
have
very
exciting
ways
that
they
plan
to
invest
it
and
grow
it
into
the
multiplication
factor
that
we
want
the
preservation
society
to
be
here
for
another
hundred
years.
I
F
So
I
you
know,
I
know
this
is
tough
because
on
friday,
this
past
friday
afternoon,
we
had
a
little
wooden
structure,
that's
being
built
on
daniel
island
collapse
and
three
people
were
injured
and
that's
just
a
little
one-story
wood
structure
going
on
you
know
going
up.
I
can't
imagine
what
would
happen
if
even
one
brick
fell
from
this
height,
my
my
heart
couldn't
take
it
there's
nothing
worse.
F
All
of
us,
council
members,
when
something
happens
in
our
districts,
we're
right
there
getting
the
information
from
first
responders
and
everybody
else
and
it
and
we
sit
there
with
the
families
and
everything
else,
and
it
tears
our
at
least
for
me.
It
tears
my
heart
apart.
It's
the
hardest
part
of
this
job.
F
F
F
Given
given
inspection
reports
and
whatnot
from
the
past,
I
I
would
just
like
a
little
bit
more
clarity
around
that
you
know
I
mean
I
I
think
it's
easy
to
say
we
want.
You
know,
option
a
or
option
b
and
I
and
I
completely
respect
what
you
know.
Council
member
saccharin
is
saying
too
it's
really
tough
when
you've
got
to
say
well,
I'm
not
gonna.
I'm
not
gonna
devote
two
million
dollars
to
this,
because
I'm
gonna
put
two
million
dollars
to
this.
So
that's
where
I
would
like
to
understand
a
little
bit
better.
F
O
Y
Y
Y
Y
It
was
completed
earlier
in
2016.,
so
we
had
to
make
that
budget
request
in
2017
for
those
funds
in
2018..
Now
that
was
to
basically
retain
the
engineer
to
to
study
the
report
that
was
prepared
by
the
inspector
and
put
together
a
response
to
that
report,
and
that
was,
I
want
to
say
it
was
april
of
2018..
Y
So,
yes,
it
was
a
re-inspection
in
that
he
was
studying
the
inspection,
but
he
was
going
out
there
and
looking
at
it
himself
visually
to
prepare
his
report
to
us
and
the
way
that
I've
explained
this
before
is
the
inspector
is
like
the
person
performing
the
x-ray
you're
not
going
to
get
a
diagnosis
from
the
person
that
shot
the
x-ray
from
you.
You
have
to
wait
till
the
radiologist
reviews
it
and
then
gives
you
basically
a
response
to
that.
So
that's
that
kind
of
step,
one
step
two.
Y
R
R
R
You
know
we
heard
a
minute
ago
earlier,
and
this
is
just
popping
into
my
head
right
now.
You
know
I
I
want
someone
to
look
at
this.
Can
you
use
tiff
funds
to
stabilize
a
smokestack
for
aesthetic
purposes?
I
I
don't
know,
maybe
you
can?
Maybe
you
can't
from
a
legal
standpoint
but
from
a
policy
standpoint.
R
It
just
doesn't
seem
like
the
prudent
thing
to
do,
especially
in
this
part
of
town,
especially
given
some
of
the
challenges
that
that
folks
in
that
part
of
the
community
are
facing
you
know.
Historic
preservation
is
a
extremely
important
value
in
the
city.
There's
no
question
about
it,
but
it's
not
the
only
value
in
the
city.
R
It's
it's
a
it's
a
value
that
has
to
be
put
on
the
you
know
in
the
full
spectrum
of
competing
concerns
at
every
given
moment,
and
I
would
you
know,
echo
the
sentiment
of
some
of
my
colleagues
this
evening.
You
know
if
there's
going
to
be
a
solution
here
to
save
these
smokestacks,
we
need
the
preservation
organizations.
We
need
community
members
to
help
us
on
this
to
put
this
together,
because
I
don't
see
it
happening
without
it
being
a
team
effort
in
that
kind.
R
It's
just
we're
talking
about
big
bucks
here,
think
about
what
you
know.
Two
million
three
million
dollars
would
do
in
west
ashley
and
james
island
for
storm
water
infrastructure.
We
lose
our
minds
over
that
kind
of
money
in
in
my
district.
So
we're
talking
about
big
bucks
here
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
a
luxury.
This
is
not
a
necessity
and,
of
course,
the
800
pound
gorilla
in
the
room
is.
This
is
a
public
health
and
safety
emergency
right.
This
is
not
something
where
we
have.
R
The
benefit
of
you
know
planning
something
10
years
in
the
future,
where
we
can
scrap
some
money.
You
know
small
bits
of
money
over
time.
This
is
a
crisis
and
you
know
we've
come
up
with
a
good
plan,
the
immediate
term,
but
but
it's
time
to
you
know,
do
something
or
get
off
something
right
now
for
the
community
like
right
now,
like
the
time
is
now,
and
we
don't
need
money
for
more
studies
or
to
have
other
people
look
at
it.
R
If
you
want
to
save
the
smokestacks
it's
time
to
start
talking
about
dollars
and
it's
time
to
start
passing
around
the
collection
plate,
you
know
south
abroad
and
wherever
else
we've
got
people
that
are
this
passionate
about
smokestacks.
Frankly,
so
those
are
my
comments
and
look
forward
to
continuing
this
discussion
and
thank
the
staff
for
this
very
informative
report
and
presentation
today.
Thank
you.
D
All
right-
and
let
me
say
I-
I
wouldn't
implore
council
to
let's
make
a
decision
by
next
tuesday
and
and
move
forward.
You
know
we
would.
I
agree.
We
don't
need
to
waste
any
more
time
on
this,
and
I
want
you
all
to
tell
council
member
griffin
that
I
am
going
to
say
this,
that
I
actually
agree
with
him
on
his
his
comment.
D
As
long
as
everybody
says,
you
can
do
it
safely,
and
our
engineer
confirms
that
when
he
draws
up
his
plan
so
anyway,
I
I'd
like
to
make
a
decision
on
this
by
tuesday
and
we'll
bring
it
back
to
council.
But
of
course,
today's
meeting
was
just
to
bring
you
all
this
information
councilmember
mitchell
back
to.
AA
AA
So
my
mother
said
where
you
get
that
puppy
from
my
city
off
the
dump,
take
it
back
on
the
dump
and
put
it
back
where
you
got
it
from
so
I
took
the
puppy
back
on
the
dump.
So
this
is
the
way
the
history
came
because
of
the
smoke
stack
because
it
was
a
hazardous
health
to
the
community
and
they
closed
it.
AA
Because
of
that,
because
people
was
complaining
back
during
that
time
and
they
created
the
dump
back
to
green
and
that's
what
it
was
dumping
all
the
trash
and
everything
right
back
there
behind
my
home
and
field
in
the
back
to
green.
So
when
I
heard
the
the
call
from
the
community
and
they
wanted
this
smoke
stacks
to
stay
up,
I
said
I
don't
see
it
because
of
the
safety
mechanism.
AA
I
said
I
don't
want
to
see
anyone
get
hurt
from
one
brick
fall
out
of
that
smoke
stack
and
someone
died,
and
that
was
playing
on
my
mind
on
my
conscience,
and
I
said
I
don't
want
to
see
that
happen.
That's
why
I
made
talked
about
bringing
it
down
halfway
to
a
point
that
it
was
safe
enough,
that
they
could
restore
it
and
it
would
still
be
a
presence
of
the
smoke
stack,
but
it
still
wouldn't
be
135
or
336
feet
in
the
air
and
that's
what
I
came
up
with
that.
AA
But
after
I
heard
the
difference
of
the
cost
factor
today.
That's
when
I
said:
if
is
the
cost
factor
going
to
be
this?
You
might
as
well
stay
there
and
repair
it.
That's
the
only
reason
that
came
up
that
in
that
provision.
That
way.
So
I
just
tell
my
colleagues,
you
bought
your
own
conviction.
That's
all
I'm
going
to
say
on
that
one.
You
know.
D
Q
You,
mr
mia,
I
I
appreciate
all
my
call
these
comments
on
this.
I
appreciate
councilman
saccharin,
actually
stepping
out
the
way
he
did
and
councilman
appel
and
everybody
else
councilman
mitchell.
You
know
the
part
about
this
discussion.
That
kind
of
centers
with
me
is
safety
was
the
original
reason
we
came
here
and
after
talking
and
listening
to
the
report
and
looking
at
the
pictures
and
listening
missed
the
most,
it's
still
the
issue
and
to
do
this
repair
we're
acting
like
well.
Q
This
thing
is
not
going
to
fall
down
in
that
period
of
time,
and
that's
not
a
sure.
You
know
we
saw
in
the
newspaper
the
last
several
days
a
series
of
unclean
water.
Every
time
we
get
these
rain
bombs
that
people
walk
through
with
fecal
metal
and
bacteria
and
the
light,
and
in
particular
on
the
east
side.
They
certainly
have
trouble
with
that.
We
would
be
spending
money
here
that
could
go
towards
those
fixes.
Q
We
put
in
the
newspaper
that
we
had
a
41
42
million
dollar
deficit
for
2000
to
finish
out
2020.,
and
I,
I
really
believe
you
know
people
in
the
hinterland
can
say:
oh
they're,
just
saying
that,
and
they
and
and
right
now
you
all
know-
we've
been
through
a
budget
workshop
and
still
working.
Are
we
looking
at
a
20
or
20
million
dollar
21
million
dollar
budget
deficit
deficit
as
we
go
into
21.,
and
we
just
can't
raise
taxes
to
generate
21
million
of
admission
of
additional
dollars
raising
taxes
doing
a
pandemic.
Q
People
are
already
experiencing
tax
increases
just
due
to
reassessment.
This
is
the
fifth
year
we're
going
to
have
to
have
some
serious
cuts.
We've
had
several
workshops
and
we
have
not
gotten
to
the
part
of
what
we
are
going
to
cut
to
be
able
to
not
have
this
21
million
dollar
deficit
that
we
are
looking
at
for
2021..
Q
Q
We
don't
have
so
the
colleagues
that
chimed
in
about
fiscal
prudence
is
was
very
man,
I'm
with
you
on
that,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
just
another
headline
when
you
read
it
in
the
newspaper,
but
it's
our
job
to
balance
this
budget.
It
is
our
job
not
to
pass
additional
hardship
to
the
citizens
of
charleston
to
pass
this
to
pass
on
tax
increases
during
the
pandemic.
When
people
are
collecting
unemployment
and
ppp
to
try
to
keep
their
businesses
afloat,
the
money
just
didn't
hear.
O
Q
Q
So
I
think
we
have
to
bring
it
back
to
reality.
When
we
solved
that
42
million
dollar
deficit,
it
was
a
one-time
opportunity
and
a
one-off
is
what
I
call
we
cannot
do
that
again.
In
21.,
we
took
almost
half
of
our
emergency
reserve
in
this
city.
Frankly
that
was
being
stacked
up
in
the
event
of
a
hurricane's
return
like
hugo
we
took
half
of
that,
so
we
didn't
have
to
lay
anybody
off
in
this
year.
Q
No
firemen,
no
policemen,
didn't
furlough
anybody
looking
around
at
the
other
state
agencies,
look
at
clemson
university.
Look
at
how
many
employees
they
just
cut.
Okay,
you're
gonna,
see
city
of
north
charleston's,
already
done
that
we
don't
have
monopoly
dollars.
We
got
the
same
dollars,
everybody
else
has
and
until
we
come
up
with
a
magic
formula
that
I
haven't
seen,
we
have
to
deal
with
the
dollars
being
presented
to
us
and
we
know
right
now.
The
revenue
coming
into
21
is
going
to
be
less
so
that
said,
my
vote
is
going
to
be
for
reality.
C
C
L
C
AB
J
Here
good
evening,
like
members
of
the
eastside
community,
and
as
they
shared
in
their
comments
and
at
neighborhood
meetings
that
the
city
hosted
earlier
this
week,
hcf
remains
opposed
to
demolition,
partial
or
otherwise,
of
the
saint
julian
divine
smokestacks.
These
smokestacks
are
a
defining
feature
of
the
east
side
skyline
and
represent
some
of
the
last
vestiges
of
charleston's
industrial
path.
The
cost
of
the
demolition
by
the
city
is
troubling,
as
it
was
made
with
little
notice,
no
public
discussion
and
no
involvement
of
the
city's
board
of
architectural
review.
J
Further.
The
engineering
report
on
which
the
demolition
order
is
based
is
four
years
old,
leaving
us
to
wonder
why
now
and
why
the
sudden
haste
charleston
is
the
birthplace
and
epicenter
of
preservation
in
the
u.s,
circumventing
the
bar
and
the
public
process
by
having
the
chief
building
official
declare
these
structures
as
a
public
safety
threat.
As
far
from
leading
by
example,
the
city
must
do
the
right
thing
and
find
a
creative
means
to
preserve
these
historic
features
of
the
east
side
skyline,
while
protecting
public
safety.
J
C
N
N
I
recognize
this
is
a
tough
budget
year
for
our
city
and
for
our
citizens
and
and
for
virtually
everyone
in
the
country,
but
I'm
concerned
about
the
fact
that
we
knew
there
was
a
problem
four
years
ago
and
I
recognize
we've
had
storms
and
things
have
become
more
urgent,
but
it
seems
we
both
thought.
We
had
the
time
to
wait
and
then
turned
around
and
said
this
was
something
that
had
to
be
decided
before.
N
We
even
had
the
chimney
report
in
that's
supposed
to
come
in
next
week,
and
I
recognized
that
it
seems
prudent
to
take
twenty
or
thirty
thousand
dollars
donation
of
the
preservation
society
and
put
it
towards
the
stacks.
But
if
there's
a
chance
we
can
get
a
second
opinion
quickly
that
might
reduce
the
cost
of
preservation
of
the
stacks
by
a
considerable
amount
of
money,
whether
it's
a
million
or
half
whatever
the
case
may
be.
I
think
it's
unfair
to
damn
the
stacks.
N
N
The
evacuation
plan
was
very
well
put
together,
but
I
think
we
need
to
just
slow
down,
especially
given
that
storm
season
is
over,
and
the
east
side
is
a
community
that
generally
has
trouble
voicing
itself
or
has
trouble
getting
on
the
same
page,
and
this
is
one
of
the
few
times
in
15
years
of
living
here-
that
it
seems
new
residents
old
residents,
long-term
residents
all
want
to
see
these
saved.
We've
lost
so
much
architecture
in
our
neighborhood,
and
I
don't
want
to
see
it
happen
too
quickly
again.
Thank
you.
L
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
sir
great?
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
quickly
say
that
I'm
very
concerned
that
miss
gamble
and
mr
watson
are
not
able
to
join
the
call,
because
I
know
that
they
very
much
want
to
speak
with
council
about
this,
but
I
also
want
to
start
out
and
conf
commend
mr
scaf
and
the
city
staff
for
putting
together,
I
think,
an
outstanding
plan
and
doing
a
great
job
communicating
that
to
the
nearby
residents.
L
You
know
the
the
neighborhood
meetings
were
very
informative
and
really
confirmed
confirmed
a
few
things
number
one
that
the
east
side
resoundingly
asks
that
you
please
save
the
stats.
You
know
the
positives
that
we
heard
that
there
was
unanimous
agreement
on
this.
We
heard
the
community
say:
they're
iconic,
the
jewels
of
the
east
side,
beacon
of
the
community.
The
saint
julian
divine
himself
stood
as
tall
as
these
stacks.
L
The
negatives
we
heard
is
that
this
wouldn't
happen
anywhere
else
in
the
city,
and
it's
got
to
stop.
The
east
side
asked
that
they'd
be
given
that
they'd
be
given
the
respect
provided
to
other
parts
of
the
city.
The
residents
were
upset
that
the
city
has
known
about
this
for
four
years
and
then
suddenly
declared
this
an
emergency
in
august,
they
stated
further
that
if
you'd
asked
them
to
invest
in
a
three
million
dollar
park
or
fix
the
stacks,
they
would
have
resoundedly
said
fix
the
stacks.
L
L
Ready
to
provide
a
second
opinion,
this
offer
has
stood
for
over
a
month
and
regrettably,
it's
not
been
accepted.
A
second
opinion
is
critical
to
determining
that
a
right
decision
is
made
and
we
believe
that
it
can
provide
a
more
cost
effective
option
if
you
choose
to
save
them.
I
still
believe
that
it's
good
due
diligence
to
do
and,
as
christina
said
it's
about
the
return
on
investment
for
twenty
thousand
dollars,
could
save
us
a
lot.
I
have
to
take
issue
with
the
comment
made
by
the
mayor.
L
We
said,
give
us
a
chance
to
do
the
due
diligence
and
if
we
do
that,
we
can
help
you
get
it
done,
but
he
declined.
You
need
to
make
a
decision
based
on
data
and
we
want
to
help
the
numbers
moving
and
another
key
detail.
That,
interestingly,
was
not
shared
with
you
tonight
is
there's
an
inspection
by
the
experts
at
international
chimney
set
to
occur
later
for
next
week.
It
would
not
be
prudent
to
take
action
before
that
is
concerned,
so
I'm
concerned
to
hear
this
being
pushed
to
a
decision.
P
L
To
act,
we
ask
that
you
send
this
and
conform
to
state
law
and
send
this
to
the
bar
first.
We
want
to
help
we
think
there's
more
than
12
million
in
the
tip.
If
you
look
farther
out
and
let's
get
creative,
we
can
work
to
create
an
interest
free
loan
with
a
local
bank.
We
can
figure
this
out.
We
can
have
a
great
outcome
if
we
work
together.
Thank
you.
C
C
AB
D
V
D
AB
J
A
AB
Community
still
want
to
preserve
our
smoke
stacks.
We
think
that
is
still
an
icon
and
I
think
it's
kind
of
unfair
to
say
that
they
cost
too
much
for
a
very
long
time.
We
have
been
voiceless
and
for
once
we
are
speaking
up
and
we're
unified
and
we're
together.
We
would
like
to
ask
that
you
not
use
affordable
housing
as
a
tactic
to
divide
us.
AB
While
we
understand
that
there
are
new
things
on
the
horizon,
that
may
be
promising
for
our
community.
We've
all
been
promised
lots
of
things
for
this
community
and
have
them
seeing
them
fall
by
the
wayside.
This
is
the
one
thing
that
we
accept
the
city
do
for
us
and
we
understand
that
there
are
very
costly,
but
the
preservation
society
has
also
offered
its
assistance,
and
we
hope
that
you
would
take
that
as
well.
AB
AB
We
think
the
small
stacks
are
valuable
to
our
community
and
we
want
them
and
of
course
we
want
affordable
housing
and,
of
course
we
want
our
flooding
fixing
fixed,
but
we
want
our
smoke
stacks
as
well,
and
I
don't
think
that
we
should
be
one
or
the
other.
We
just
want
to
be
a
community
as
one
thank
you
so
much.
C
K
But
in
order
to
do
that,
we
really
need
the
the
proper
amount
of
information.
And
I
know
a
lot
of
information
is
evolving,
but
we
have
submitted
a
foia
asking
to
see
the
inspection
reports.
Structural
reports
proposals
bids
estimates
related
of
the
last
five
years
to
the
stacks,
and-
and
you
know
it's
not
going
to
be
for
another
couple-
several
weeks
that
we're
going
to
get
that
information.
So
if
that
could
be
accelerated
by
the
city,
that
would
be
a
huge
help
and
we
do
want
to
try
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution.
K
As
far
as
the
tip
goes,
I
have
some
information
from
an
analysis.
That's
been
done
on
on
estimated
bonding
capacity
of
the
cooper
river
bridge
tiff,
which
is
doing
much
better
than
previously
anticipated
and
over
the
next
five
years,
four
to
five
years.
The
city
could
elicit
around
40
million
dollars
out
of
this
test.
K
K
C
V
E
V
The
value
of
the
stacks
and
that
conversation
on
how
to
build
it
and
why
they're
building
how
the
community
came
together
to
solve
the
problems
they
were
having,
then
the
height
of
the
statute.
I
mean
the
height
of
the
those
fixtures
and
the
idea
that
the
hype
determines
what
they
wanted,
not
to
happen
that
the
smoke
that
was
settled
in
the
neighborhood
would
not
come
down
in
the
neighborhood
because
of
that
height
and
cutting
it
down
would
take
away
just
the
solution
they
put
there.
V
We
look
at
the
downdraft
that
would
have
happened
if
they
were
smaller
and
it
would
cause
more
pollution
on
the
ground.
But
we
look
at
the
800
other
smoke
stacks
within
this
community
and
it
created
more
problems
than
anything,
and
we
must
look
at
it
and
not
cloud
our
decision
by
talking
and
not
considering
the
tax
growth
that
we
have
in
our
hands
does
k
street
meetings
recorder.
V
C
And
mr
mayor,
we
had
comments
that
were
submitted
online
and
by
phone,
eight
people
encouraged
the
city
to
preserve
the
saint
julian
divine
community
center
smokestacks,
as
it
is
an
integral
structure
of
the
east
side.
Community
and
two
people
would
like
city
council
to
slow
the
process
of
this
most
stack
smoke
tax
decision,
so
community
input
can
be
heard
and
that's
all
we
had.
D
Okay,
well
we've
between
the
last
two
nights
and
tonight
we've
had
a
good
bit
of
of
community
input.
I
I
do
want
to
respond
to
one
comment:
that's
been
made
and-
and
I'm
going
to
say
this-
that
if
we're
going
to
keep
those
smoke
stacks,
we're
going
to
do
it
as
safely
as
possible
and
we've
contracted
with
mr
craig
bennett
to
be
our
engineer
and
our
staff
has
full
confidence
in
him.
And,
yes,
I've
met
with
the
preservation
leaders
and
they
have
offered
to
do
a
second
opinion.
D
D
If
we're
going
to
preserve
those
stacks,
they
must
be
done
in
the
most
conservative,
safest
fashion,
and
I
have
confidence
that
mr
bennett
would
lead
us
to
that
result.
So,
there's
some
kind
of
narrative
out
there
that
we
can
save
a
half
million
a
million
dollars.
If
we
did
it
a
different
way
and
and
I'm
confident,
mr
bennett,
if
we
choose
to
go,
go
that
path
will
lead
us
to
the
safest
way
to
preserve
the
stacks,
and
that's
that's.
I
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
While
we're
following
up
on
comments
that
we
just
heard
today
and
we've
received
in
writing
in
the
earlier
times,
can
we
also
run
the
ground?
What
mr
hastie
just
told
us
about
his
understanding
from
some
source
that
there
could
be
a
lot
more
money
coming
out
of
the
tiff?
I
I
I.
I
D
Amy
reported
to
us
just
just
an
hour
so
ago
that
we
could
go
ahead
and
bond
another
10
million
dollars
or
so
based
upon
the
the
income
we
know
we
have
and
that
that's
two
years
after
our
initial
12
million
dollar
issuance.
So
so
yes,
the
tip
district,
is
performing
better
than
maybe
we
anticipated,
and
I
I'm
glad
about
that-
and
that
doesn't
include
what
future
development,
some
of
which
we
know
about
that.
D
That
study
took
into
account,
but
where
we
don't
bond
out
on,
maybe
you
know
maybe
that
building
that's
being
planned
doesn't
end
up
getting
built.
So
we
can't
rely
on
the
income,
but
until
it's
already
been
established
by
the
county,
as
it's
already
been
established,
we
could
bond
another
10
million
and
in
council
we
could
pay
for
renovating
stacks
we'd
love
to
have
help
from
from
anybody
in
the
world
who,
as
long
as
we
do
it
in
a
safe
fashion.
D
So
but
the
lowline
wants
to
make
a
big
request
to
this
council
to
get
the
loan
line
going,
including
a
park
in
the
area.
We
we
put
aside
a
couple
million
dollars
for
for
drainage,
but
we
know
that's
not
going
to
be
near
what
will
be
proposed
to
to
be
spent
for
a
solution.
We
continue
to
have
needs
to
provide
more
affordable
housing.
The
list
could
go
on
and
on.
D
We
do
have
the
opportunity.
Councilmember
waring
is
not
with
us
any
longer
he
signed
off.
Honestly.
I
don't
think
this
is
a
choice
between
police
officers
and
stacks,
but
it
is
a
choice
between
other
infrastructure
and
stacks
because,
honestly,
if
this
facility,
if
this
property
wasn't
sitting
in
a
tif
district,
we
wouldn't
be
having
this
conversation
this
year,
they.
AA
AB
D
I
Thank
you.
I
I
mean
I.
What
I'm
just
trying
to
accomplish
with
my
request
is
that
we
we
have
the
opportunity
to
compare
apples
to
apples
because
we
were
told
by
by
ms
wharton.
You
know
an
hour
ago
whenever
you
first
started
talking
about
this,
that,
yes,
the
that
the
number
that
we
can
see
the
tip
being
bonded
for
with
the
with
the
projects
and
the
income
that
we
know
is
coming
would
be
another
10,
12
million
dollars.
I
That's
not
40
million
that
mr
winslow
hastie
was
alluding
to
so
I
I
really
would
feel
you
know
like
like
we
have
not
done
our
work.
If
there's
continues
to
be
some
misunderstanding
or
or
a
different
understanding
of
how
the
temp
is
going
to
produce
a
lot
more
money-
and
maybe
it
probably
is
you
know
out
into
the
future
that
you
are
saying-
doesn't
fit
the
parameters
the
city
always
uses
in
planning
for
tiff
uses,
I'm
just
trying
to
vote.
D
There's
a
hotel
planned
for
the
corner
of
hugee
and
meeting
street.
Well,
it's
going
to
be
worth
x,
millions
of
dollars
it
hadn't
been
built.
Yet
you
know,
so
you
can't
rely
on
that.
Yet
there
are
a
few
of
them
that
they
put
in
their
projections
that
are
on
construction
now,
and
you
know
that
that's
probably
pretty
reliable
but
again
we're
conservative
and
we're
not
going
to
borrow
money
based
on
a
building
that
isn't
completed
yet
and
on
the
tax
rolls.
Yet
so
we
we've
done
the
homework.
I
So,
if
we're
going
to
try
to
put
those
things
on
a
timeline-
and
we
know
that
you
know
maybe
into
the
future
in
another
decade,
more
money
will
come
in
then
that
is
also
information
that
the
community
needs
to
have
along
with
us,
because
I
personally
don't
want
to
say
that
we
would
sacrifice
the
critical
need
for
flooding,
control
and
affordable
housing
in
the
short
term.
If
really,
what
we're
looking
at
is
having
more
and
more
money
way
down
the
road.
I
So
I
I
just
feel
like
it's
education
that
we
all
need
to
have
that
keeps
us
on
a
level
playing
field
of
being
able
to
decide
agreeably
that
we're
looking
at
the
same,
like
I
said,
apples
to
apples,
comparisons
for
the
kind
of
money
that
eastside
will
be
producing,
thankfully,
that
we
have
the
tip
to
accomplish
that,
but
it
could
be
way
out
and
we
don't
want
to.
We
don't
want
to
misunderstand
the
facts.
I
So
thank
you,
I'm
sorry
to
rant
on
about
it,
but
I
do
feel
like
information
at
this
point
in
time
is
so
hard
to.
You
know
be
on
the
same
page,
just
in
the
way
that
we're
having
to
do
all
this
virtual
stuff
and
share
things
digitally.
So
we
need
to
have
if
that,
the
way
to
compare
priorities
and
the
time
that
they'll
be
coming
forward
with
any
resources
that
we
can
envision
and
then
put
it
on
a
timeline.