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City of Charleston Committee on Ways and Means 10/13/2020
A
Quick
in
our
thinking
that
out
of
confused,
I
issues
may
come
simplicity
of
plan.
That
out
of
fear
may
come
confidence
that
out
of
hurry,
may
come
to
liberation.
That
out
of
frustration
may
come
guidance.
Let
us
get
to
work,
not
head
first,
but
heart.
First
may
we
be
able
to
disagree
without
being
disagreeable
to
differ
without
being
difficult
to
be
honest
without
tension
and
frank
without
offense,
in
an
atmosphere
of
team
spirit,
amen,.
A
B
Items
second
by
councilmember,
griffin,
all
favors,
say
aye
the
eyes
have
it
item
number
four
budget,
finance
and
revenue.
F
H
Right,
so
thank
you
back
to
bids
and
purchases.
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
the
third
item
involved
getting
a
new
vendor
for
garbage
and
trash
collection
out
on
daniel
island
and
king
hoy
and
it'll
be
a
new
company
for
us,
and
I
see
council
member
del
chapo
raising
our
hands.
So
we
we
look
to
provide
a
better
service
through
new
vendor
and
then
number
four
and
five.
I
know
council
knows,
but
just
let
for
the
public
record.
H
Those
are
adjustments
to
our
2020
budget,
both
the
revenue
side
and
the
expenditures
to
adjust
for
the
challenges
we've
faced
this
year
with
cova
19.
I
would
further
say
that
there
are
other
hospitality
and
accommodations
budgets
that
we
will
come
back
to
council
a
little
later
in
the
year
which
will
have
similar
adjustments.
H
So
so
my
point
of
that
is
to
say
that
the
the
the
revenue
shortfall
indicated
in
this
budget
amendment
tonight
this
evening
is
just
a
part
of
the
story.
It's
not
the
whole
story,
but
it's
a
big
part
of
the
story,
but
it's
not
the
whole
story
of
our
impact
from
kova
19.
I
B
Second,
second,
moved
and
properly
seconded
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
say:
aye,
okay,.
H
Yeah,
I
just
like
to
add
another
editorial
comment.
I
presume
this
grant
funding
was
available
through
the
cares
act,
but
we
will
have
a
shelter
that
we
will
be
able
to
do
portable
vaccine
stations
throughout
the
city
when
a
vaccine
becomes
available
for
a
kova
19,
which
we
all
hope
is
sooner
rather
than
later.
H
We
we
plan
to
make
some
of
our
facilities
like
arthur,
christopher,
jim
and
other
places
available
for
distribution
of
the
vaccine,
but
in
addition
to
that,
we'll
have
a
mobile
unit
within
our
own
possession
to
be
able
to
help
facilitate
the
vaccine.
B
G
Councilman
jackson
has
her
hand
up.
I.
K
Vote
I,
but
I
I
would
just
like
to
request
this
sounds
like
an
intriguing,
a
grant,
and-
and
I
would
I
would
hope
that
maybe
the
mayor's
office
might
be
able
to
send
out
some
more
follow-up
information
with
us.
I'd
really
like
to
follow
up
on
it.
H
Absolutely
of
course,
come
when
if
we
are
successful
getting
the
grant,
but
but
frankly,
we
plan
to
proceed
with
this
effort,
whether
we
get
the
five
thousand
dollar
grant
or
not,
and
it's
to
help
those
in
our
community
who
are
un
or
under
banked
to
get
some
financial
literacy.
If
you
will-
and
so
it's
we've
got
some
good
partners
on
board
like
bank
of
america
and
one
of
the
credit
unions
and
td
bank,
and
so
with
or
without
the
grant.
H
B
I
mean
mayor,
I
do
recall,
I
mean
this
is
really
not
new,
it's
something
that
I
think
that
we
have
been
involved
in
before
through
other
programs.
So
this
is
more
of
an
extension
of
what
is
I'm
sorry,
mindy.
L
Well,
you're
100
correct.
We
did
have
a
bank
on
initiative
in
charleston
several
years
ago,
so
this
will
be
a
revival.
So
to
speak
of
that
effort,
and
so
yes,
we
are
very
much
looking
forward
to
bringing
more
financial
empowerment
to
the
individuals
and
families
in
our
community
and
we'll
be
working
with
adults
and
youth
through
this.
So
I
see
it
as
a
great
opportunity
to
just
breed
more
partnerships
and
and
get
the
services
to
the
citizens.
K
That's
great,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
mindy
and
thank
you
chairman.
I
I
I
do.
I
have
been
listening
in
to
the
economic
empowerment
committee
of
the
commission
on
equity,
inclusion
and
racial
conciliation,
and
hopefully
they
already
know
about
this,
but
if
not,
we
really
do
need
to
do
that
cross
pollination.
So
thanks.
Thank
you.
L
To
your
point,
we
are
definitely
partnering
with
business
and
neighborhood
services
on
on
this
effort
as
well.
B
Okay,
we
did
vote
on
that
right
already.
D
G
F
N
Mr
chairman,.
N
Yeah,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
I
do
this
proper
procedure,
so
I
send
out
an
email
to
all
of
y'all
about
a
request
to
create
a
ad
hoc
committee,
and
I've
talked
to
the
mayor
about
this
and
also
our
legal
counsel.
N
So
I
think
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
create
this
ad
hoc
commission,
it's
not
on
the
agenda
tonight,
so
I
think
the
proper
procedure
may
be
to
defer
move
to
defer
items,
14
and
15
and
then
come
back
next
week
or
next
session
to
create
this
task
force
that
I
outlined
and
email
to
all
of
y'all
to
create
a
way
for
citizens
and
other
organizations
to
participate
in
making
decisions
regarding
this,
these
twin
smokestacks.
N
So
I
think
properly-
and
I
think
the
man
may
want
to
amend
this,
but
I
think
probably
would
be
to
defer
14
and
15
and
then
come
back
unless
we
amend
the
agenda.
N
The
other
side
tail
to
this,
in
my
discussions
with
the
mayor,
was
maybe
to
go
forward
with
part
of
the
contract
with
bennett.
I
think
it
was
like
know:
140
160
000,
like
the
engineering
study
and
proposal
for
this.
So
that
sounds
like
a
convoluted
motion
that
would
get
me
kicked
out
of
court
if
I
said
that
in
the
courtroom,
but
my
motion
would
be
to
defer
until
next
week
to
then
just
bring
up
this
discussion
on
this
task
force.
B
Yes,
mayor
tecklinberg.
H
Could
I
reckon,
could
I
respectfully
suggest,
maybe
a
little
modified
route
forward,
because
you
know
we've
been
working
on
this
issue
of
the
stack
for
some
time,
not
just
our
conversations
recently
but
capital
projects
and
craig
bennett
for
for
a
while
and-
and
I
feel
some
urgency
for
this
to
kind
of
move.
The
ball
forward.
One
way
or
the
other
and
edmond
is
on
the
line,
and
I
believe
craig
bennett
is
on
the
line
as
well.
H
I
see
his
name
here,
and
so
I
would
respectfully
ask
that
we,
we
consider
number
14
and
if
it's
and
you'd
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
craig
and
edmund
any
questions
to
clarify
anything
and
then
amend
number
14
to
include
councilmember
shades,
a
proposal
to
to
have
a
task
force,
work
hand
in
hand
with
the
effort
going
forward,
because
I
I
don't
want
to
just
I
respect
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
with
the
task
force.
H
I
don't
want
to
just
kick
the
ball
down
the
road
people
been
waiting
for
the
city
to
take
some
action
on
this
matter.
We
have
a
letter
from
our
chief
building
official
about
the
stability,
and
so
I
think
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
go
ahead
and
take
that
first
step,
which
is
to
hire
mr
bennett
to
to
come
up
with
the
specific
plan
and
documents
in
order
to
preserve
them.
H
If
that's,
in
fact,
what
we
choose
to
do
when
the
task
force
convenes
and
comes
back
to
us
so
is:
does
that
sound
reasonable
to
you
at
least
for
discussion
purposes?.
J
Yes,
sir,
appreciate
you
recognizing
me,
I
was
wondering:
should
we
go
ahead
and
make
a
decision
whether
or
not
we
want
them
torn
down
or
not,
because
if,
if
the
task
force
is
I
mean
to
me,
those
are
completely
different
things.
Either
we
want
there's.
There
may
be
some
of
us
that
want
to
vote
on
taking
them
down
all
the
way.
J
So
I
was
wondering
if
we
could
at
least
discuss
are
there
other
members
of
council,
I'm
still
leaning
towards
staying
within
the
budget
and
spending
the
500
000
and
taking
them
down
all
the
way?
I
don't
know
if
other
council
members
are
laying
that
way
either,
but
if,
if
more
people
were
inclined
to
do
that,
then
I
don't
think
we
would
need
a
task
force.
I
think
the
tax
would
be
more
for
renovations
and
keeping
them
up
for
some
sort
of
hype.
So.
J
Well,
well,
I'm
going
to
vote
for
the
task
force.
I'm
just
saying:
why
would
we
need
to
have
the
task
force
if
people
were
going
to
vote
to
take
it
down
saying?
Can
we
at
least
discuss
that
first
to
make
sure
that's
not
the
consensus
and
then
and
then
take
a
vote
because
I'm
going
to
vote
for
the
task
force,
but
I
would
probably
also
vote
to
take
him
down.
K
K
We
should
have
the
task
force
after
hearing
from
the
public
to
the
extent
that
we
can,
and
I
I
also
know
that
the
preservation
community
has
been,
I
think,
talking
among
themselves,
but
also
to
the
east
eastside
neighborhood,
as
the
as
the
most
directly
impacted
neighborhood
about
the
proposition
of
retaining
the
oldest
stack
and
demolishing
100
percent,
the
the
newer
one
to
leave
the
skyline,
at
least
with
that
industrial
icon,
but
also
help
the
city
to
avoid
the
the
big
expense
that
we
don't
have
a
source
for
observing
both
of
them.
K
So
I
I
do
think
that
there's
rationale
in
council
members
shades,
you
know
reasons
to
see
a
task
force
that
would
that
would
work
quickly,
but
just
getting
back
to
the
mayor's
request
of
of
agreeing
to
number
14
to
hire
the
bennett
firm.
K
The
way
I
read,
that
is,
the
hiring
would
be
for
the
objective
of
of
working
on
engineering,
the
partial
demolition
which
I
thought
we
all
agreed
two
weeks
ago
that
for
at
the
work
session
a
week
ago,
that
there's
really
no
affinity
now
for
the
60
foot
height,
which
is
the
way
I
read
this
number
14..
So
if
we
can
modify
that
on
the
flood,
then
I'm
happy
to
you
know
to
hire
the
the
structural
engineering
work
to
be
done
along
with
the
task
force.
H
Mr
chairman,
if
I
may
just
for
clarification,
we
have
an
update
from
mr
bennett
and
mr
booth
that
that
addresses
that
the
the
the
contract
would
be
amended
for
him
to
pursue
the
wishes
of
the
task
force.
But
we
need
to
get
him
started
at
work.
That's
so
it
would
be
amended
as
well.
We
have
a
proposal
from
mr
bennett
that
we
could
discuss
if
we
ever
got
this
on
on
the
floor.
O
Yes,
sir,
to
my
colleagues,
I
understand
what
you
are
trying
to
do
and
what
you're
saying
when
the
task
force,
even
with
the
task
force
when
I
spoke
to
councilman
peter
shade,
I
told
him.
I
told
him
that
I
don't.
Even
I
don't
even
see
another
committee,
I
said
we
have
so
many
committees
going
on
and
they'll
be
running
crazy
with
a
lot
of
committees.
O
O
Everybody
is
now
on
the
same
page
with
that
a
lot
of
people
were
saying
on
the
commit
on
the
in
the
community
tear
down,
he
said,
it'll
serve
any
purpose
actually,
and
I
said
as
we
wait
and
we
keep
waiting
price
goes
up
also
and
see
when
price
goes
up,
we're
in
the
strain
of
money
as
it
is
now,
and
this,
like
a
smokestack,
I
explained
a
lot
of
people
with
the
smokestack.
A
lot
of
people
were
talking
about
the
smokestack,
but
don't
even
know
what
the
smokestack
was
all
about.
O
They
said
is
the
the
icon
of
the
smokestack
of
the
presence
of
the
smokestack.
That's
what
you're
looking
at
most
of
the
present
of
the
smoke
stack,
but
the
smoke
stack
really
does
not
serve
any
purpose.
Actually,
you
know.
So
that's
why
I
came
with
that
provision
of
saying
bringing
it
down
halfway
and
that's
what
I
came
up
with
that
solution
to
come
with
a
compromise
if
you
make
with
the
community
of
staying
136
feet
in
the
air,
but
also
I
attached
to
that.
O
Mr
mayor,
when
we
were
talking
about,
is
bringing
the
cap
down
off
the
top.
If
that
can
happen,
bring
the
cap
and
place
it
on
the
top
of
that
which
you
will
have
to
do
brick
work
to
bring
it
smaller
because,
as
the
smoke
stack
goes
down,
it
gets
wider,
so
you'll
still
have
to
bring
it
up,
so
it'll
be
really
might
be,
you'll
be
higher
than
60
feet.
Actually,
so
it
stayed
up
in
the
air
and
and
when,
when.
O
Tag
on
it,
it
was
a
little
different
case,
then,
because
the
price
tag
was
almost
close
to
demolishing
it,
bring
it
down
halfway
or
wherever
the
case
may
be.
So
that's
the
the
position
that
the
position
that
I
have.
C
O
The
smoke-
and
I
was
talking
with
them-
I
go
and
speak
to
the
people
on
the
inside,
because
the
district
that
I
represent,
so
I
go
and
speak
to
the
people
on
east
side.
You've
got
a
few
saying:
oh,
let's
stay
up,
you
got
other
feelings.
Now,
besides,
hey
tear
down,
you
know,
you
don't
want
to
see
all
the
money
being
used
for
that
and
something
is
being
used
for
people
who
is
living
living
now
and
they
start
with
living
with
jainism.
O
I
mentioned
to
the
council
before
that
we
lived
there,
my
family
and
I
lived
there
back
in
1948
when
the
smokestack
was
there,
and
it
was
sad
that
the
smokestack
was
there
yes,
but
it
was
a
health
hazard
to
the
community
and
when
they
moved
the
smokestack,
they
moved
because
of
that
factor
and
they
came
and
the
dump
was
placed
where
they
call
back
the
green
in.
O
No
one
else
in
charleston
wanted
in
their
community,
so
they
dumped
it
right
there
in
that
community
and
they
burned
everything
and
all
the
smoke
that
was
coming
down
was
a
health
hazard
for
the
community
and
eventually
they
closed
it,
but
they
created
the
jump
back
to
green.
That's
what
that's
part
of
the
history
of
it.
That
was
told
by
me
back
in
those
time
by
my
father
and
grandparents,
who
was
living
in
those
areas,
and
they
know
more
about
than
I
did.
O
O
B
Just
just
two
points
from
me:
the
first
is:
I
think
that
the
suggestion
of
the
task
force
would
in
fact
answer
many
of
the
questions
that
you
just
articulated.
B
But,
okay,
are
we
forgetting
that
this
is
an
imminent
threat
to
public
safety?
If
public
safety
is
our
number
one
responsibility
as
leaders
of
the
community,
the
more
we
continue
to
kick,
this
can
down
the
road.
Okay,
we're
we
are
subjecting
our
constituents
to
potential
harm.
B
So
for
me
it's
it's
it's
not
as
different
as
the
exingency
that
existed
with
respect
to
the
gatson
creek
and
the
effect
that
the
poisons
from
the
creek
would
have
on
the
community.
B
I
see
very
little
difference
to
this,
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
table
that,
for
me
the
issue
is:
how
do
we
protect
the
public
from
a
potential
threat,
and
how
do
we
do
that
as
quickly
as
possible?
Regardless
of
all
the
wants
to
me,
the
bottom
line
is
public
safety
councilman.
She.
B
I'm
sorry
he
did
councilman
seeking.
I.
M
Think
the
mayor
did
too
so
I
think
the
councilmember
is
right
in
terms
of
procedure.
We
need
to
decide
on
the
task
force
or
not,
because
that
that
is
going
to
indicate
which
direction
we
want
to
go,
and
my
understanding
is
on
the
two
matters
that
are
on
our
ways
and
means
committee,
one
of
which
is
to
sign
a
contract
with
mr
bennett
to
design
a
fix
not
to
take
these
down,
and
it
may
be
that
the
task
force
wants
to
go
and
hire
someone
else
to
do
it.
M
So
I
I
think,
if
it's
the
desire
of
this
council,
to
look
at
our
options
and
to
think
about
stabilizing
and
in
place
or
some
combination
of
one
of
the
two,
then
we
need
to
determine
whether
or
not
we're
ready
to
go
forward
with
that,
and
I
think
we
should
determine
that
tonight
I
mean
I
don't
think
we
should
kick
it
down
the
road
two
weeks.
M
H
So
I
had
proposed
a
way
for
us,
but
there's
a
lot
of
conversation.
Could
I
suggest
whether
it's
in
order
or
not,
that
we
allow
craig
bennett
to
to
say
a
few
words
about
what
he
is
with
his
analysis
of
the
stacks
and
and
count?
Mr
chairman,
we
we
did
address,
even
though
it's
a
temporary
matter
of
the
evacuation
plan
for
those
in
the
immediate
vicinity.
So
we
have
temporarily,
but
we
haven't
done
it
long
term
and
that's
why
I
agree
with
council
members
seeking.
H
B
Mayor,
I
think
you're
right.
Let's,
let's
hear
from
mr
bennett,
mr
bennett,
craig.
D
All
right,
yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
the
you
know
we
we've
actually
been
working
on
these
chimneys
for
quite
a
while
about
two
and
a
half
years
and
have
been
studying
some
work.
D
That
goes
back
much
longer
than
that,
and
I
they've
actually
been
a
number
of
things
that
have
been
said
that
I
I'm
a
little
uncomfortable
with
that
that
I
I
think
it's
it's
important
to
recognize
that
even
two
and
a
half
years
ago,
as
we
looked
at
the
as
we
looked
to
the
chimneys,
we
recognized
that
that
there
were
several
options
and
there
still
are
several
options
available
to
a
system
as
to
what
we
want
to
do
with
these
things.
D
Two
and
a
half
years
ago,
we
we
said
one
option
was
to
to
let's
see.
Actually
this
was
two
years
ago.
I
take
that
back
that
the
historically
appropriate
ways
to
repair
the
the
shell
and
take
down
the
liner.
So
it's
not
a
danger
and
or
repair
the
liner.
So
it's
not
a
danger,
and
then
there
are
then
another
option
was
to
actually
disassemble
the
disassemble
the
chimneys.
D
At
that
time
we
actually
recommended
proceeding
with
the
first
option,
which
was
a
repair
option
and,
and
the
reason
had
surprisingly
little
to
do
with
the
structural
engineering
side.
D
What
we
realized
at
that
time
was
that
that,
if,
if
we
proceeded
with
taking
these
down
it,
it
would
actually
harm
the
city's
ability
to
to
deal
with
to
deal
with
similar
projects
that
come
up
in
the
future
and
and
and
for
that
reason
we
we
recommend
it
going
ahead
and
doing
some
repair
on
those
things,
and
since
that
time,
we've
looked
at
a
number
of
different
options.
We've
looked
at
the
options
of
repairing
them.
D
We've
looked
at
the
options
of
taking
them,
both
halfway
down
and
and
we've
looked
at
the
option
of
taking
them
all
the
way
down.
All
of
those
options
are
still
from
a
structural
standpoint
possible,
and
I
understand
full
well
that
the
city
has
done
a
good
job
of
meeting
with
the
with
the
neighborhood
and
and
has
contingency
plans
in
place
for
dealing
with
especially
high
wind
events,
so
the
city
has
bought
some
time
there.
In
addition,
I
think
all
of
you
should
know
that
it's
it's.
D
My
understanding
that
the
that
there's
a
chimney
inspection
company
coming
next
week
to
to
take
a
look
at
the
chimneys
and
to
to
see
whether
or
not
there's
been
any
significant
change
since
the
inspection
four
years
ago.
D
I
I
think,
that's
probably
all
I
really
need
to
say,
but
let
me
let
me
open
things
up
to
questions
now.
G
N
Yes,
so
this
is
more
of
a
statement
than
the
question
to
to
the
committee
at
large,
so
my
thought
process
with
this
has
been
that
pretty
much
in
line
with
what
councilman
mcgriffin
had
said
earlier,
and
that
is
the
the
straightforward
way
of
addressing
these
smokestacks
is
just
go
ahead
and
spend
a
half
million
dollars
or
so
and
tear
them
down.
N
N
And
we
are
a
city
that
likes
preservation.
We
are
a
city
that
likes
to
preserve
our
history
and
and
celebrate
our
history,
and
so
this
is
sort
of
a
more
of
a
pause
button
to
give
ourselves
an
opportunity.
The
urgency
had
been
that
we
were
in
the
beginning
of
or
the
midst
of
a
storm
season,
and
we
needed
to
do
something
very
quickly
to
avoid
these
things
from
falling
down.
So
my
idea
was
that
if
we
can
create
this
task
force,
they
can
help
us
maneuver
and
navigate
through
all
of
this.
N
This
is
a
sensitive
subject
for
a
lot
of
folks
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that,
whatever
decision
we
did,
we
just
followed
our
normal
protocol
and
procedures
in
doing
that.
So,
if
per
the
mayor's
request
that
we
approve
mr
bennett's
contract
for
160
000
to
start
the
process
of
the
engineering
work
on
this,
that
would
that
would
suit.
N
I
think
our
needs
and
then
come
back
and
vote
on
those
task
force
and
let
them
handle
this
like,
and
that's
going
to
include
members
of
city
council
members
from
our
city
staff,
members
from
the
community
and
members
from
our
two
prominent
historic
foundation
and
our
preservation
society.
So
we
get
a
clear
input
on
all
of
this
and
when
it
comes
to
funding
we
we
we
any
at
half
of
this
and
see
what
the
community
can
do
and
ending
up
the
the
other
half.
So,
let's
move
forward
with
the
mayor's
proposal.
N
Vote
on
the
160
come
back
and
vote
on
this
task
force
next
week
and
then
we
can
get
this
thing
moving
in
some
direction,
so
we're
not
spending
half
of
our
ways
and
means
time
on
debating
this
thing
back
and
forth
the
past
three
or
four
meetings,
and
that's
that
was
my
goal.
That's
my
intention!
N
That's
why
I
sent
this
to
all
of
you
in
a
little
bit
in
advance,
so
you
all
saw
where
I
was
coming
from,
but
I
am
I
am
at
the
will
of
y'all's
decisions
in
which
I
want
to
do.
But
that
was
my
intentions
and
that's
what
my
concerns
are.
B
Discussion,
yes,
councilmember
waring.
Thank.
C
You
you
know,
I
had
some
technical
difficulties.
I
had
to
switch
over
from
my
laptop
to
an
ipad,
and
what
I
was
hearing
for
something
you
brought
up,
mr
chairman,
is
the
safety
issue.
C
Did
mr
bennett
answer
that
one
way
or
the
other,
so
the
safety
issue?
No
longer
I'm
not
going
to
say
no
longer
an
issue,
but
we
do.
We
have
more
time
to
work
with
this
versus
it
falling
over
on
the
public.
B
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
council
member
wearing
that
the
mayor
mentioned
is
that
we
have
already
met
with
the
community.
There
is
a
contingency
plan,
just
in
case
there
is
an
imminent
threat
so
that
the
area
can
in
fact
be
evacuated.
Am
I
correct
mayor
yeah,
but
I
would
like.
D
D
If
a
significant
wind
event
is
expected-
and
so
we
have
dramatically
cut
risk
by
doing
that,
we're
going
to
know
a
whole
lot
more
next
week
too,
as
to
what
the
condition
of
the
inside
is
we'll
we'll
know
that
by
by
by
the
end
of
next
week,
and
but
but
my
gut
feel
at
this
stage,
is
we've
dramatically
cut
our
risk,
but
it's
not
zero.
C
B
Did
I
see
your
hand
counseling
in
del
chapo.
H
A
B
I
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
and
it's
been
seconded.
I
saw
the
mayor's
hand
and
then
councilman
seeking
hand.
H
So
I
I
did
want
edmond
most
just
to
briefly
describe
a
specific
amendment
to
the
contract
with
mr
bennett
and
what
has
been
submitted
so
so
we
would
know
what
we're
getting
for
our
money
so
to
speak.
E
H
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear,
so
we
we
we're
engaging
with
mr
bennett
to
to
get
the
design
done
to
know
what
it
will
really
take
to
preserve
the
stacks
okay.
So
when
the
task
force
meets,
they
can
come
back
and
say
yeah.
We
want
to
proceed
and
we
don't
have
to
start
at
that
point
in
january,
with
engineering
and
design
we
we
need
again.
I
I
believe
we
need
to
get
this
ball
rolling.
Don't
get
me
wrong.
H
Doesn't
it
doesn't
preclude
the
fact
that
in
january
the
task
force
might
say
gee
we
changed
our
mind,
we
we
recommend
taking
them
down.
I
don't
think
that
will
happen,
but
I
I
want
to
be
ready
to
go
and
get
going.
B
H
Correct:
okay,
we're
amending
the
contract
to
for
a
full
design
on
preserving
the
stacks.
H
It'll
use
the
existing
budget
that
we
have
of
800
000
still
in
this
project
budget,
and
so
when
the
task
force
meets
and
makes
their
recommendation
if
it
is
to
preserve
the
stacks
and
they
were
able
to
raise
half
the
money.
Like
is
prescribed
by
council
member
shade
and
we'll
be
we'll
we'll
just
keep
on
rolling.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Just
very
briefly,
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
in
mr
bennett's
comments
he
did
say
two
and
a
half
years
ago
they
looked
at
this.
They
looked
at
all
the
options
that
we
still
have
our
options
available,
they've
reduced
significantly
the
risk
factor,
and
I
think
what
he
said-
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear
as
we
go
forward
and
the
task
force
goes
forward.
M
When
we
look
at
engineering
challenges
with
other
buildings,
so
I
don't
think
anything's
going
to
change
going
forward
now
that
we've
got
mr
bennett
to
put
on
the
record
that
we
have
managed
our
risk
to
a
point
where
he's
comfortable
with
it.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
task
force
going
forward
and
figuring
a
way
to
preserve
these
smoke
stacks
going
forward.
Thank
you.
G
Did
council
member
withdraw
his
initial
motion
to
it?
To
defer,
I
mean
yes,
okay,
thank
you.
B
C
Chairman,
I
do
have
one
other
question.
Okay,
I
do
have
one
question
and-
and
mr
benson's
assessment
I
mean,
will
it
also
be
determined
if,
if
one
comes
down
and
we
preserve
one,
as
was
suggested
by
councilman,
one
of
the
councilmen
said
that
30
minutes
ago
I
don't
know
so
if
the
alternative
would
have
come
back,
one
is,
you
know,
really
bad
and
the
other
one
is
you
know
salvageable.
D
D
It
would
be,
it
would
be
entirely
reasonable
if
we
found
that
one
was
in
such
terrible
shape
that
that
we
got
to
the
point
we
said
we
recommend
not
doing
this
on
one
of
these
chimneys.
It
would
be
entirely
reasonable
to
come
back
to
the
city
and
say
we
would
like
to
change
the
scope
of
this
project
and
we
would
like
to
preserve
one,
but
not
the
other.
B
H
Okay,
so
I
move
that
we
approve
the
item
in
number
14,
but
amended
to
be
engineering
services
and
design
for
the
full
preservation
of
both
stacks,
along
with
the
creation
of
a
task
force,
as
recommended
by
council
member
shade
and
compose
thereof,
to
to
to
make
a
definitive
recommendation
back
to
council
by.
I
think
he
said
the
second
second
meeting
of
january
right,
correct.
B
O
If
they
can't
come
back
in
the
next
two
weeks
and
states
that
one
of
the
smoke
stack
is
in
terrible
shape,
then
we
have
to
do
another
amendment
no.
H
B
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
had
a
point
of
clarification
with
the
email
that
councilmember
shead
had
sent
in
the
in
this
motion,
for
the
task
force
is
the
direction
of
the
task
force.
Pursuant
to
the
proposal
that
councilmember
shead
had
sent
out
in
terms
of
looking
for
50
of
the
funding
to
come
from
private
sources,.
B
B
N
N
Met
yesterday
afternoon,
we
had
a
very
full
agenda.
The
first
item
was
to
approve
a
third
amendment
to
the
lease
agreement
between
the
city
and
echo
best
east
shed
development
llc.
So
we
could
they
could
find
a
third-party
tenant
to
occupy
the
space.
Lee
bailey
is
on
the
line,
and
lee
may
be
able
to
give
you
a
little
more
in-depth
discussion
about
that.
So
lee
wouldn't
call
on
you
just
to
briefly
describe
that.
For
us.
Please.
P
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
council
members,
so
we've
been
in
a
master
lease
agreement
with
eco
best
development
llc,
since
around
2012
they
did
initially
have
a
substitute
in
the
space
that
was
running
a
restaurant.
It's
been
vacant
for
about
15
months.
Unfortunately,
that
tenant
did
not
make
it,
unfortunately,
but
they
have
lined
up
a
new,
a
new
tenant
that
looks
very
promising.
P
P
The
one
thing
I
would
point
out
is
there
are
some
rent
concessions
in
this
amendment
to
approve
the
sub-tenant
to
provide
time
for
them
to
temporarily
abate
rent
to
provide
some
upfit
on
the
building,
but
they
are
providing
about
almost
2
million
dollars
in
upfits
to
the
space,
which
obviously
is
in
the
city's
favor,
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
specific
questions
that
I
can.
K
M
You
just
very
briefly,
mr
chairman.
This
is
a
really
great
deal
for
the
city.
I
want
to
thank
the
real
estate
committee
and
lee
your
team
for
putting
this
together.
If
this
all
works
as
it
should,
you've
got
a
local
development
team
going
to
put
in
a
local
operator
into
a
space,
that's
essentially
been
empty
for
a
number
of
years,
so
in
a
very
difficult
time,
this
is
some
very
good
news
for
the
corridor
that
we've
been
so
worried
about
putting
a
business
into
the
upper
king
street
area.
M
That
is
a
tried
and
true
developer.
With
a
tried
and
true
operator
that
is
locally
based
and
with
all
with
all
hard
work,
it
will
be
successful.
So
this
is
this
is
some
good
news
on
the
back
end
of
some
really
bad
news
in
that
corridor.
K
Thank
you
following
up
councilmember
seekings.
I
totally
agree
with
that
and
I
I
just
want
to
put
in
the
plug
for
the
children's
museum.
K
I
read
that
the
of
the
least
carefully,
because
I
have
been
learning
a
lot
about
the
museum
as
a
as
an
education
resource
for
our
community,
especially
for
the
neighborhoods,
where
the
kids
go
to
school
locally,
they
get,
they
get
scholarships
to
go
to
the
museum.
The
museum
has
had
an
amazing
rehab
renovation
over
the
last
year
and
unfortunately,
covet
has
just
slammed
them
to
the
ground.
K
So
the
fact
that
the
restaurant
is
going
to
be
subleasing,
they
they
have
strict
requirements
to
have
a
family-friendly
establishment,
essentially,
which
will
be
a
very
interesting
new
level
in
this
group's
repertoire.
As
far
as
I
understand,
but
I
really
do
hope
that
we
can
all
figure
out
how
to
better
support
the
children's
museum.
K
Their
counterparts
across
the
country
are
going
dark
and
this
is
not
a
tourist
attraction.
The
children's
museum
is
a
bricks
and
mortar
educational
institution,
and
I
really
hope
that
we
can
start
thinking
about
it.
That
way,
so
I
just
want
to
put
in
a
plug
at
the
same
time
as
we're
bringing
in
a
great
establishment.
I
Thank
you,
chair,
just
real
quick
to
to
piggyback
on
councilwoman
jackson's
point
with
the
children's
museum.
It
really
isn't
a
museum
and
I
think
the
name
you
know
doesn't
do
it
justice
in
many
ways,
but
it's
really
a
place
where
young
kids
go
in
the
particular
neighborhood
charleston
that
go
and
learn
about
stem,
and
you
know
college
readiness
activities
and
I
think,
as
a
council,
we
should
start
thinking
about
maybe
putting
them
in
another
category
and
we've
had
that
discussion
with
carol
jackson.
I
I'm
personally
bringing
some
of
my
students
in
the
after
school
program
there
to
try
to
help
them
out,
and
you
know,
just
as
as
we
continue
with
the
budget
and
and
thinking
about
them.
I
think
we
should
put
them
in
a
different
category
as
a
museum.
So
thanks
carol
for
for
bringing
that
up.
I
Absolutely
and
and
she,
the
executive
director
is
on
the
special
commission
council,
councilman
gregory
who's
for
our
youth
in
education.
So
hopefully
she
will
provide
some
input,
help
that
special
commission
think
about
inequities
that
we
have,
because
they
serve
many
kids
in
our
in
our
neighborhoods.
As
you
know,
they
serve
that
general
area,
which
is
over
near
charleston
progressive.
I
C
You,
mr
chairman,
add
me
to
the
list
account
councilwoman
jackson
and
councilman
sacrament.
Actually,
our
family
is
a
annual
members
of
the
children's
museum.
They
do
great
works
over
there
and
I
really
think
support
councilman
sacramento.
Maybe
they
can
put
them
in
a
different
category
much
more
than
just
a
museum.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
any
more
discussion.
There
were
some
items:
council
membership
that
we
had
to
vote
on.
N
Yeah,
I'm
not
finished
with
the
report.
Mr
chairman,
so
item
b
was
a
recommendation
that
we
approve.
This
is
very
interesting.
A
lease
for
a
one
parking
space
to
place
a
dumpster.
The
amount
of
rent
was
calculated
on
the
loss
revenue
for
the
use
of
that
parking
space.
That
was
also
recommended
that
we
approve
that
we
also
had
two
annexations.
N
We
recommended
that
those
annexations
won
in
district
seven,
one
in
district
five
be
approved.
We
had
an
add-on
for
the
authorization
to
execute
a
rental
agreement
with
saint
andrews
pool
in
part
for
the
use
of
that
pool
on
a
temporary
basis,
while
our
other
pools
were
being
under
some
maintenance
and
repair
work.
We
also
recommended
that
that
temporary
lease
be
used
so
that
our
residents,
particularly
schools,
age
students,
can
continue
their
swim.
All
those
were
passed
unanimously
for
recommendation
and
pass
it
on
to
council.
N
Then
we
had
a
discussion
on
an
archaeology
ordinance
and
it
was
recommended
from
one
and
only
jacob
lindsay
that
we
create
a
task
force
to
include
myself
somebody
from
historic,
charleston,
charleston
preservation,
the
delegate
society
and
charleston
museum
to
look
at
some
of
the
aspects.
N
As
to
what
a
can
be
done
short
of
an
archaeology
ordinance
or
make
recommendations
along
those
lines,
not
necessarily
that
we
have
the
funding
to
hire
somebody
from
time
staff,
but
to
see
what
we
can
do
in
the
interim
in
the
event
that
we
we
do
come
up
with
some
funding.
Or
what
can
we
do
short
of
a
official
ordinance
to
address
things
such
as
burial
grounds
and
other
archaeological
digs
along
the
lines?
N
And
finally,
we
had
a
discussion
on
annexation
of
some
of
these
doughnut
holes
throughout
the
city,
particularly
in
west
ashley,
and
mr
lindsey's
recommendation
was
that
we
tasked
our
gis
department
to
come
up
with
an
idea
to
do
sort
of
an
inventory
of
what
we're
looking
at
with
some
of
these
properties
that
are
not
in
the
city
but
are
surrounded
by
other
residences
and
properties
that
are
indexed
within
the
city.
And
those
are
that's
my
report,
mr
chairman,.
J
Yes,
sir,
I
just
got
a
question
and
then
a
quick
follow-up,
but
I'm
just
wondering
what
exactly
is
the
motive
behind
the
donut
hole?
Are
we
looking
to
eliminate
the
psd
or
you
know,
are
we?
Are
we
going
after
just
pieces
of
property
that
have
multiple
city
residents
around
them?
You
know,
because,
in
my
district
I've
got
a
large
neighborhood
draken
on
on
the
ashley
and
they're
almost
entirely
psd,
and
they
do
an
amazing
job,
saint
andrews,
psd
of
serving
them.
J
You
know
with
trash,
pickup
and
and
cleaning
their
ditches
and
we've
had
such
a
hard
time
with
environmental
services
over
in
my
district,
I
couldn't
imagine
if
we
annexed
that
whole
neighborhood
and
we
we
can't
even
serve
the
people
that
we
have
now
incr
in
terms
of
our
environmental
services.
So
I'm
just
wondering
you
know:
are
we
looking
to
increase
the
tax
base?
Are
we
just
trying
to
make
things
a
little
bit
easier
on?
You
know
areas
where
99
percent
of
the
area
is
city,
I'm
just
wondering
what
the
motive
is.
There.
N
And
mr
chairman,
I
can
respond
to
that.
The
motive
is
not
to
get
rid
of
the
saint
andrews
public
service
district.
The
motive
is
to
look
at
some
of
these
areas
that
are
surrounded
by
the
city
in
which
property
is
not
annexed.
There's
a
lot
of
that
exists
in
the
avondale
area.
Maryville
lasheville,
huntington
woods
in
my
my
district
and
I'm
just
giving
you
sort
of
a
sample
of
that.
N
N
Are
complaining
that
they
can't
get
physicists
speed
bumps
because
half
the
streets
in
the
city
never
happens
not
in
the
city,
so
it's
in.
So
the
point
is.
N
M
M
If
any
of
you
know
where
cone
street
is
it's
parallel
to
east
bay
street
behind
slightly
north
abroad,
where
they're,
building
the
new
hotel
and
there's
a
parking
garage
there,
there's
a
bunch
of
parking
spaces
back
there
and
there's
long
been
a
dumpster
there
and
there's
been
a
lease
with
the
city
on
that
space
for
some
years,
and
I
want
to
thank
peter
rasco
and
dan
riccio,
but
mostly
peter,
for
getting
on
that.
Finding
the
lease
finding
the
owners
of
that
lease
renegotiating
the
lease
and
making
sure.
M
Not
only
do
we
have
2020
rates
on
that
lease,
but
also
that
that
area
is
now
clean
and
will
be
clean.
It
was
a
huge
improvement
that
no
one
would
have
ever
noticed
or
done
had
peter
and
dan
not
gotten
on
it.
So
thank
you
all
for
doing
that.
I
think
it's
gonna
really
make
a
big
difference
back
there,
and
I
know
the
businesses
in
that
corridor
really
appreciate
it.
So
thank
you.