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City of Charleston City Council 02/15/22
A
A
A
B
B
It
was
originally
intended
to
be
a
three
by
three,
which
means
three
years:
three
million
dollars
and
it
morphed
a
little
bit
into
close
to
a
four
by
four.
I
think
it
turned
out
3.7
million
dollars
in
almost
four
years,
which
was
really
at
our
request,
since
we
had
the
addition
of
a
full
environmental
impact
study
along
the
way
that
had
a
little
more
time
but
answered
a
number
of
questions
that
we
wanted
to
answer.
And
so,
when
we
last
had
a
report,
the
council
a
few
months
ago,
time
flies.
B
In
the
meantime,
we
have
a
few
new
city
council
members
who
haven't
been
around
for
the
last
four
years
to
kind
of
absorb
all
of
this,
and
it's
it's
a
it's
a
big
initiative
and
a
big
project.
So
it
takes
a
little
digestion.
So
I
think
it
was
appropriate
for
us
to
come
back
here
today
in
a
workshop
form.
So
we
can
really
have
a
little
time
for
for
dale
and
the
core,
if
need
be,
to
explain
the
updates,
where
we
are,
what
we're
poised
to
do
next
and
so
without
further
ado.
A
A
Talk
about
some
of
the
technical
parts
of
the
design
agreement,
negotiation
which
would
get
us
into
ped
if
we
go
that
far
and
opportunities
within
ped
and
challenges
within
ped
again,
this
is
a
longer
process
and
we
have
to
be
prepared
to
to
negotiate
well
through
this,
and
then
I
want
to
broaden
out
at
the
end
to
talk
about
other
flood
risk
mitigation,
needs
and
demands
upon
the
city
as
we
go
forward
and
how
these
things
should
line
up.
So
I
want
to
start
with
this
slide
here.
A
Most
members
of
council
have
seen
this
slide
for
the
new
members
of
council.
If
you
haven't
here
it
is.
This
is
a
very
simple
graphic
of
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
coastal
storm
risk
management,
process,
study,
phase
design,
phase,
building
or
construction
phase,
and
operation
and
maintenance
phase,
as
you
may
or
may
not
know,
we
are
in
the
study
phase
towards
the
end
of
it,
trying
to
wrap
up
the
feasibility
phase
and,
let's
be
clear
about
what
feasibility
is.
Feasibility
is
a
federal
process
that
the
army
corps
goes
through
with
the
non-federal
sponsor.
A
Is
there
a
hazard?
What
is
the
hazard?
Is
the
hazard
manageable?
Can
we
solve
it
and
is
there
a
federal
interest
in
doing
so?
Those
are
the
things
that
the
feasibility
study
is
trying
to
tease
out.
Nothing
has
yet
been
designed.
So
let's
keep
that
in
mind
that
this
is
just
feasibility
to
establish
the
federal
interest.
The
federal
interest
is
often
summarized
in
the
context
of
the
bcr.
The
benefit
cost
ratio
which
follows
a
very
strict
and
rigid
benefit,
cost
analysis
process
that
the
army
corps
uses
to
determine
the
benefit
cost
ratio.
A
You
will
hear
it
you
may
have
heard
it
already.
You'll
hear
it
again.
The
benefit
cost
ratio
of
the
charleston
peninsula
project
is
the
highest
of
its
kind
in
the
nation.
It
is
11.3.
Our
friends
in
norfolk
are
doing
a
csrm
project
on
ped
and
it
is
a
3.3
vcr.
Miami
is
fussing
around
with
their
csrm
project.
Their
cost
spent
of
ratio
is
right
around
8.,
so
charleston,
it's
a
proxy
for
the
amount
of
value.
A
A
A
They
met
consistently
for
until
the
middle
of
december
and
they
have
a
suggestion
for
how
they
can
continue
to
operate
going
forward
if
we
decide
to
move
forward
with
that
project
september
last
year,
the
army
comic
released
its
optimized
tentatively
selected
plan
and
draft
environmental
impact
statement.
Comments
on
that.
It
was
very
clear
that
the
south
carolina
port
authority
was
unhappy
with
the
line
that
was
released.
At
that
point
they
communicated
that
very
clearly.
A
A
I
think
that
they
had
wanted
to
start
with
a
line
on
the
port,
but
didn't
get
that
far
in
the
in
the
original
tsp,
but
they
changed
the
alignment
and
I'll
show
a
map
there,
and
this
is
a
tremendous
benefit
for
both
the
poor
properties
and
we
think
for
the
city,
the
advisory
committee
susan's
susan
lyons,
one
of
the
advisors
members
this
year
also
from
groundswell.
They
made
their
recommendations
in
november
of
2021
I'll
talk
briefly
about
those
preview
of
the
recommended
plan.
A
Most
members
of
the
council-
I
think
all
of
you
should
have
received
that
preview
about
three
weeks
ago
and
an
email
from
me
on
a
sunday
night,
I'm
explaining
what's
going
on
here
here.
We
are
at
this
workshop
today
moving
forward,
and
then
there
is
a
deadline
for
us
to
submit
the
city
to
submit
non-binding
letter
support
and
a
non-binding
self
financial
self-certification
to
the
army
corps
so
that
they
can
put
the
package
together
and
send
it
up
the
chain
of
command
for
review.
So
that's
where
we've
been
and
where
we
are
today.
A
What
could
happen
in
the
future?
If
the
army
corps
gets
our
letter
of
support,
they
will
package
this
up
and
send
it
up
to
division
and
headquarter
for
review
headquarters,
division
headquarters
review
in
march
and
april.
There
are
changes
that
headquarters
and
division
could
make
to
the
plan.
It's
important
to
know
that
this
is
the
district
plan
and
it'll
be
reviewed
by
important
people
up
the
chain
of
command,
so
changes
could
be
made,
be
finally
presented
to
the
chief
of
engineers
the
target
date
for
that
is
mid-may.
A
The
reason
mid-may
is
because
there
is
a
water
resources,
development
act.
That
is
the
bill
that
the
u.s
congress
uses
to
fund
and
authorized
projects
like
this
to
move
forward.
That
is
up
for
discussion
this
year
in
congress.
They
often
do
it
every
two
years.
This
is
a
year,
and
so
the
army
corps
wants
to
get
the
chiefs
report
finished,
so
they
can
submit
it
to
the
white
house
and
to
the
congress
for
consideration
for
authorization,
and
that
would
also
eventually
require
an
appropriation.
A
So
they
authorize
the
project
they
need
to
spend
the
money
on
the
project.
Two
separate
steps
on
capitol
hill.
If
all
that
is
successful
and
the
army
corps
of
engineers
gets
its
money
by
the
end
of
the
year
or
the
beginning
of
next
year,
they
will
come
to
the
city
asked
to
negotiate
a
design
agreement
with
the
city
that
design
agreement
has
to
be
finalized
before
ped
can
start
city,
council
and
other
people
would
be
consulted
on
that
when
we
get
to
that
phase
of
negotiating
the
design
agreement.
A
So
that's
an
important
milestone
if
all
that
goes
is
successful,
and
these
are
all
estimated
again.
Congress
may
not
take
up
a
where
to
build
this
year.
That
could
happen.
If
it
doesn't,
we
would
have
to
wait
until
they
do
still.
The
army
corps
would
get
its
money
to
do
its
its
share
of
the
head
of
ped,
but
if
they
do
get
their
money
we
would
negotiate
the
design
agreement,
probably
about
a
year
from
now.
Head
would
start,
maybe
the
year
from
next
month
and
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
report
today.
A
The
mayor
and
I
and
others
have
been
stressing
very
clearly
to
colonel
johannes
here
at
the
district
to
general
kelly
at
the
division
and
to
others
in
the
project
delivery
team
that
we
want
more
natural
and
nature-based
features
added
to
this
project.
If
possible,
the
u.s
army
corps
engineers
maintain
something
called
the
engineering
with
nature
program.
It
is
their
version
of
natural
nature-based
features
and
trying
to
add
them
to
projects.
A
A
Here's
the
alignment,
the
image
on
the
left
is
quite
simple.
The
yellow
line
is
the
old
alignment.
The
september
2021
tentatively
selected
plan
alignment.
You
can
see
it
moves
along
washington
street
then
skirts
over
into
gattenburg
on
concord,
street
and
loops
back
to
east
bay
street
and
then
morrison.
A
This
is
the
alignment
that
the
corps
of
engineers
was
happy.
They
basically
said
jordy.
If
I
can
paraphrase
look
if
you're
going
to
build
this
thing,
we're
going
to
not
have
an
opinion
about
whether
you
should,
but,
if
you're
going
to
do
it,
please
protect
our
facilities,
both
union
pure
terminal
and
columbus
terminal.
The
corps
of
engineers
heard
that
the
green
dotted
line
is
what
was
said.
This
is
what
we
should
do.
A
A
So
the
support
to
finish
the
csrm
csrm
study.
Is
there
remind
you
that
the
3x3
advisory
committee
made
a
recommendation
recommendation
in
november
2021
again,
they
said
very
clearly:
perimeter
protection
is
is
likely
needed,
make
sure
it's
integrated
and
then,
very
specifically,
we
recommend
the
city
of
charleston
move
cautiously
and
I'll
underline
that
into
the
pet
phase
cautiously,
because
we
have
to
be
careful
with
what
we're
doing
here.
This
is
an
important
city
with
important
architecture,
important
services.
So
let's
not
take
a
gray
wall.
Let's
try
to
get
the
best.
A
We
can
from
the
army
corps
project,
so
move
cautiously
openly
transparently,
but
be
careful
with
what
you're
doing
so.
That's
important.
It's
also
important
to
note
that
it
wasn't
only
the
3x3
advisory
committee
that
recommended
this.
The
charleston
area,
the
metro
chamber
of
commerce
recommended
this
bailey
is
here,
and
she
can
talk
to
that.
A
Can
someone
control
that
it
won't
advance
for
money
there
we
go.
So
what
are
the
steps
to
finishing
the
feasibility
study
to
let
the
army
corps
run
this
up
the
chain
of
command
for
policy
and
technical
review?
A
non-binding
letter
of
support
from
the
mayor,
a
non-binding
self-certification
from
the
cfo
that
if
the
city
moves
into
bed,
it
can
and
will
pay
its
share
of
those
costs.
The
mayor's
signature
on
two
documents,
which
only
become
active
if
ped
starts.
A
That's
the
memorandum
of
understanding
on
visual
impact
assessment
and
the
programmatic
agreement
on
nationally
stored
features
those
procedures
in
ped.
So
these
are
the
first
two
are
non-binding.
These
are
required
to
be
given
to
the
core
in
the
next
week
or
so
what
would
happen
then?
If
we
moved
on
this
process,
look
at
this
policy
and
technical
review.
The
chief
of
engineers
will
get
will
sign
the
report.
A
If
he's
happy
with
it,
authorization
appropriation
with
congress,
remind
you
that
that
is
required
before
army
corps
can
do
anything
to
start
ped
and
then
after
they
have
their
money,
they
will
ask
us
to
negotiate
a
design
agreement
all
of
these
documents.
Here
I
sent
you
examples
of
that
or
the
clerk
sent
you
examples
of
those
documents
in
the
packet
last
week,
the
design
agreement
we
sent
you.
A
The
mayor,
sent
a
letter
last
week
to
the
army
corps
engineers,
explaining
to
the
colonel
the
items
that
we
are
going
to
anchor
in
the
design
agreement,
and
if
we
can't
anchor
them
we
would
be.
We
will
think
hard
about
moving
into
the
bed
phase.
So
we
have
some
very
clear
ideas
about
what
needs
to
happen
in
ped.
These
are
respectful
of
all
the
things
we've
heard
going
forward
and
we've
communicated
this
in
an
open,
transparent
way
to
west
and
county
harness
and
nancy,
and
the
team,
like
we
have
some
ideas
here.
A
So,
as
I
understand
it,
councilman
the
governance
in
the
city
of
charleston
is
that
of
a
strong
mayor.
He
does
not
need
city
council's
support
to
do
so.
What
I
understand
is
the
mayor
wanted
to
use
this
briefing,
to
explain
to
you
where
we
are
and
see
if
you,
if
you
all,
had
any
objections
to
him
sending
these
letters
which
these
errors,
which
are
non-binding,
I.
A
A
So
it's
an
important
moment
we
have
to
decide.
Should
we
finish
the
study
we
can
maintain
agnostic
on
ped.
We
do
that
in
the
design
agreement
and
we'll
see
how
we
how
we
do
that,
but
this
is
just
to
give
the
army
corps
engineers
authority
to
finish
the
study,
to
indicate
that
there
is
a
willing
non-federal
sponsor.
A
There
we
go
and
here's
this
image.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
a
misunderstanding:
that's
out
there,
so
this
image
is
a
more
complex
version:
the
stepwise
version
of
the
army,
core
coastal
storm
risk
management
process.
It's
what
we
were
in.
It's
17
steps.
All
these
steps
have
a
lot
of
processes
within
them.
Orange
of
things
that
other
people
were
doing
green
is
feasibility,
blue
is
ped
and
gray
is
construction.
A
I
annotated
this
with
the
dark
numbers.
The
dark
dates
on
the
bottom
left
of
each
slide
shows
you
when
these
occurred
in
the
charleston
process.
We
are
in
fact
right
now
at
the
bottom
of
the
first
column,
on
the
left,
which
is
step
five.
The
army
corps
of
engineers
is
finalizing
its
report
to
send
up
the
chain
of
command
and
said
we
need
those
letters.
They
need
the
letters
from
the
city
to
move
that
forward
once
that
occurs
again
steps
six,
seven
and
eight.
We
discuss
those.
A
A
It
has
been
suggested
that
the
army
corps
of
engineers
has
paused
the
study
or
they've,
given
an
extension
to
the
study.
They've,
given
city
council
reprieve
on
a
decision.
That
is
not
the
case
as
one
of
these
reviews
up
the
chain
of
command
and
work
by
congress
takes
time
and
because
the
army
corps
engineers
the
division
and
the
in
the
headquarters,
they
can
make
changes
to
the
plan.
A
So
there
isn't
a
pause.
There
isn't
an
extension.
This
is
just
the
time
it
takes
and
there
is
a
suggestion
by
councilman
seek
who's
seeking
some
part
of
others.
Let's
perhaps
use
this
time
to
do
some
more
research.
We
should
consider
that
that
is
not
my
decision.
It
is
your
your
decision
so,
but
that
is
possible
with
his
time.
Let
me
move
forward
here.
Moving
more
broadly,
there
are
a
lot
of
concerns
expressed
about
the
tsp.
A
People
in
this
room
we've
expressed
these
all
along
to
the
our
nuclear
engineers,
so
these
are
not
surprises
to
them.
I
fuss
at
them
regularly
and
mark
wilbur
did
too
so
it's
good,
it's
an
open,
transparent
relationship,
but
we
want
more
natural
nature-based
features.
Sorry,
that's
the
army,
core
acronym
and
nbfs.
A
A
These
gates
cannot
cross
lockwood.
We
need
to
fix
it.
There
is
a
way
to
fix
it.
We
think
in
ped
we'll
get
and
we're
going
to
make
sure
we
anchor
that
there
are
other
alignment
changes
needed
on
johnson
street.
The
port
realignment
was
wonderful,
but
it
creates
a
challenge
for
morrison
yard.
On
johnson
street.
I
have
walked
that
area
twice.
I
know
we
can
fix
this
in
ped.
We've
discussed
this
with
wes
and
nancy.
A
We
have
to
get
into
ped
to
do
it,
but
I
think
we
can
fix
this
again
concord
street
a
very
complex
area,
both
in
gatsenbarro
and
the
french
quarter.
We
need
to
respond
and
understand
the
sensitivities
of
that
zone
and
potential
gates
there
and
exactly
where
we
place
the
structure
and
exactly
what
that
structure
functions
like
to
protect
that
area.
So
these
are
sensitive
design
things
we're
going
to
do
these
things
again.
We
have
concerns
about
the
non-structural
approaches
for
rosemont
and
bridgeview
townhomes.
A
A
Groundwater
management.
I've
expressed
this
over
and
over,
I
know
councilman,
gregory
and
others
council
seeking
the
mayor.
We
share
our
concerns
here.
We
need
to
know
more
about
the
groundwater
situation
under
the
peninsula
because,
as
the
seas
rise,
the
shallow
aquifers
likely
start
to
pop
up
in
soccer
fields
and
in
people's
backyards
and
perhaps
under
our
streets.
We
need
to
understand
that
the
pet
process
will
help
us
there
and
again
mitigations
features
and
betterments.
What
is
that?
A
So
we
want
to
explore
more
things
like
this
in
pet
to
get
some
betterments
to
get
some
features
that
improve
the
structure
for
us,
but
we
can
only
do
that
in
bed
and
you
all
have
an
example.
This
is
just
a
front
page
here
on
the
right
of
the
letter
that
the
mayor
sent
to
the
corps
on
this
design
agreement,
what
we're
trying
to
anchor
in
it.
That
was
one
of
the
exhibits
you
all
received
last
week,
and
you
know
we
have
some
very
serious
thoughts
here.
B
So
so
dale,
if
I
may
just
interject
here
for
just
a
moment
and
of
course,
these
items
y'all
really
apply
to
when
we
get
to
the
stage
where
we
would
be
negotiating
that
design
agreement
with
the
corps
for
ped,
which
would
be
late
this
year
early
next
year
about
about
a
year
from
now.
But
we've
we've
had
so
many
conversations
about
these
concerns
that
the
city
has
in
moving
forward.
B
I
I
guess
this
in
a
way,
defines
that
word
cautiously
about
moving
forward
cautiously,
that
we
are
taking
all
of
these
things,
and
this
isn't
exclusive
list.
It's
not
to
say
we.
We
can't
think
of
something
else
to
put
on
the
table
before
we
get
to
the
design
agreement
and
and
very
similar
to
to
many
of
the
items
that
council
member
seeking
pointed
out
in
his
article
the
other
day,
and
so
I
won't
go
back
over
them
all.
B
But
I
just
felt
that,
in
addition
to
the
excellent
verbal
communication
that
we've
had
with
the
corps
over
this
we're
their
partner,
they
need
to
know
where
we
stand
on
cautiously
moving
forward.
And
so
I
wanted
to
put
this
in
writing.
For
for
them
to
be
fully
aware
of,
as
they
finish,
their
process
for
completing
the
study
right.
A
Thanks
so
so
none
of
these
issues
that
are
anchored
in
this
letter
again
it
is
non-exhaustive.
We
may
find
some
more
things
to
anchor
in
the
design
agreement
over
the
next
year.
We
will
do
so
if
necessary.
None
of
these
were
surprised.
We
have
talked
repeatedly
with
the
project
delivery
team
about
these.
So
again,
it's
it's
an
important
and
transparent
relationship
to
make
sure
we're
trying
to
accomplish
the
same
goals.
Yes,
sir,.
D
Since
we
do
have
this
added
time
and
we've
already
appropriated
monies
for
the
water
plan,
will
we
have
that
water
plan
completed
so
that
when
we
do
make
a
decision
with
respect
to
pet
or
anything
else,
we're
looking
at
the
total
the
whole
in
terms
of
not
just
the
wall,
and
I
hate
to
call
it
the
wall,
not
just
the
wall,
but
some
of
the
things
that
the
groundwater,
the
et
cetera,
et
cetera?
Will
we
be
able
to
have
all
that
completed
by
then
in
terms
of
the
water
plan.
A
So
so,
there's
a
saying
great
minds
or
lazy
minds,
think
alike,
so
I
have
a
slide
on
that,
so
you
can
determine
what
that
is,
but
I
do
want
to
address
that
because
it's
an
important
question
if
you'll
indulge
me
for
a
few
more
minutes
great.
So
again
we
have
communicated
to
the
corps
of
engineers
things
we
want
to
design.
I
want
to
remind
the
members
of
council
from
last
year
and
the
new
members
of
council
the
the
city
design
division,
which
is
part
of
the
planning
and
sustainability
department
of
the
city.
A
They
worked
hand-in-hand
with
the
corps
of
engineers
over
the
last
three
years.
How
could
we
design
this
better
for
the
city?
This
document
is
online.
It
was
released
last
october,
it's
300,
plus
pages.
It's
got
a
lot
of
images
in
it.
It
shows
you
that
alan
davis
and
the
planning
department
have
not
been
sitting
still.
We
have
a
vision
and
an
idea
for
how
we
can
move
forward.
A
Now.
Let
me
be
clear:
not
everything
in
this
study
was
vetted
or
engineered
these
recommendations.
These
are
ideas
that
the
design
division
came
up
by
themselves
with
by
themselves
and
by
things
they
borrowed
from
others
from
the
wagner
ball
team
from
the
team
that
did
the
imagine
the
wall
report
from
others
who
have
said-
let's,
let's
think
more
broadly
about
this.
So
this
is
a
compendium.
A
It
is
now
in
print,
I'm
told
as
of
yesterday
or
the
day
before,
but
this
is
online,
and
I
encourage
you
all
to
look
at
this
and
the
army
corps
of
engineers
has
said.
This
is
a
wonderful
starting
point
for
ped.
Let
me
also
be
clear:
there
is
no
way
there
is
enough
money
in
the
city
budget
to
do
all
of
these
things.
This
is
just
an
idea,
so
we
could
work
through
this
and
prioritize
those
things.
A
There's
a
this
is
an
expensive
list
of
wonderful
design
ideas,
but
we
could
surely
do
some
of
them
and
we
could
work
with
everyone
to
to
achieve
that
in
the
design
phase
back
to
this
slide,
because
I'm
going
to
broaden
it
up
here.
So
the
recommended
plan
is
a
feasibility
plan
to
achieve
those
federal
goals.
Is
this
feasible
and
is
there
a
federal
interest?
A
Nothing
has
been
designed
and
it
disturbs
me
when
I
see
images
of
gray
walls
all
around
the
peninsula,
because
in
fact
a
gray
wall
in
an
area
could
be
a
possible
feature
in
an
area
like
columbus
terminal,
because
that
won't
disturb
the
port
operations.
It's
the
simplest
kind
of
structure
there
is,
but
a
gray
wall
is
not
what
we
need
in
the
middle
of
the
middle
of
the
french
quarter
or
in
other
parts
of
the
peninsula.
A
So
we
have
to
design
this
yet
and
we
need
to
get
to
the
design
phase.
To
do
this
and
I
have
verified,
I
have
contacts
around
the
us
that
alignment,
modifications
and
improvements
to
the
tsp
do
can
and
do
occur
in
ped
right
now:
norfolk,
virginia
jamaica
bay,
which
is
right
next
to
jfk
airport
in
new
york.
So
it's
a
hurricane
sandy
project
galveston,
which
is
still
dealing
with
the
impacts
of
hurricane
ike
13
years
ago,
beaumont
and
port
arthur.
A
This
is
funding
that
was
given
to
texas
for
the
texas
coastal
study
and
amplified
by
hurricane
harvey
and
the
impacts
there
and
in
naples.
Florida
collier
county
they're,
also
in
the
middle
of
their
processes.
We
are
in
touch
with
them.
The
army
corps
and
the
local
partners
are
making
changes
to
the
tsp.
A
A
A
There
are
a
lot
of
very
important
surface
subsurface
and
other
studies
in
ped
that
need
to
be
done,
so
the
engineering
can
be
appropriate
to
the
hazard
so
that
we
can
design
a
structure.
It's
very
important
to
do
these
extra
studies,
these
deeper
studies-
these
are
very
important
things:
topographic
geospatial,
epithelic
surveys,
subsurface
exploration,
stratigraphy,
wetland,
delineation.
I
can
go
down
this
list.
You
can
have
this
presentation.
There
are
a
lot
of
really
important
studies
here,
because
the
city
will
be
paying
one-third
of
the
cost
of
these
studies.
A
That
information
that
comes
from
those
studies
are
hours
to
use
forever
in
the
future,
even
if
we
don't
go
to
the
to
the
construction
phase,
so
this
information
35
cents
on
the
dollar
is
a
good
value,
because
we
are
still
going
to
have
to
do
things
on
the
peninsula,
no
matter
what
so,
it's
important
understand
that
these
are
very
important
things,
and
this
is
part
of
the
pet
process
and
I'm
going
to
broaden
it
out
here.
We
all
agree.
This
is
a
surge,
primarily
a
surge
risk
effort.
A
It's
what
the
federal
government
is
empowered
to
do.
There
is
a
push
to
give
them
more
authority
to
do
title
and
stormwater
work.
Bills
were
introduced
just
last
week
on
this
in
the
congress.
There's
a
push,
we're
hopeful
that
this
push
will
occur
and-
and
it
will
happen
I
happen
to
know
some
of
the
sponsors
of
that
bill
were
hopeful.
It's
not
there
yet,
but
surge
is
just
one
of
our
threats.
We
have
every
water
threat.
A
So
we
have
to
do
more
and
we
will-
and
this
sentence
in
quotes
up
above
that's
one
of
my
favorite
sayings
from
the
dutch
water
boards,
the
people
who
do
this
in
the
netherlands,
it's
a
translation
from
from
dutch.
It
is
not
either
or
but
it's
and
this
and
that
so
we
have
to
do
it
all
and
we're
going
to
try
to
do
it
all,
and
this
image
here
from
the
medical
district
from
hurricane
dorian
in
september
of
2019,
expresses
very
clearly
that
it
isn't
just
surge
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
A
I
know
a
lot
of
you
concerned
about
flooding
the
rest
of
the
peninsula
or
rest
of
the
city.
That
is
absolutely
correct.
We
have
to
do
it
all
and
it's
not
going
to
be
cheap,
but
we
have
to
do
it
all
and
I'm
wrapping
up
here.
It
reminds
you
all
from
the
city's
own
vulnerability
analysis
done
a
few
years
ago,
not
the
army
corps,
but
the
city
did
this
themselves
commissioned
it.
Water
is
our
biggest
risk,
floodplain
inundation,
so
storm
water
and
tidal,
very
high,
but
surge
risk
is
higher
because
of
the
impacts
it
brings.
A
A
There's
moderate,
tidal,
flooding,
here's
whoops
and
here
is
major
tidal
flooding.
It's
the
same
trend.
In
the
last
decade,
we
have
seen
a
lot
of
tidal
flooding,
so
we
got
to
address
this
and
and
this
trend
no
one
thinks
it's
going
to
going
to
stop.
There
is
a
new
report
out
by
us
from
a
set
of
federal
agencies,
saying
look.
This
is
going
to
get
worse.
It's
not
a
surprise.
Any
of
us
in
the
water
realm
have
seen
this
coming
for
a
couple
of
decades,
not
a
surprise,
but
here's
evidence
what's
happening
in
charleston.
A
A
A
The
left
image
here
shows
two
feet
of
two
and
a
half
feet
of
sea
level
rise,
which
is
the
city's
own
sea
level
rise
strategy,
recommendation
plan
for
two
and
a
half
feet
over
the
next
50
years,
or
by
2070.,
so
two
and
a
half
feet
with
no
adaptation
so
doing
nothing.
You
can
see
what
the
peninsula
looks
like.
We
know
where
it
floods.
Now
it's
probably
going
to
get
worse
and
you
can
see
what
happens
if
we
only
do
pumps
the
middle
slide.
A
Let's
add
some
pumps
in
if
we
only
do
pumps
we're
still
going
to
have
similar
amount
of
flooding,
because
the
tide
and
potentially
the
surge,
is
getting
in
the
river's
in
the
city.
We
know
this,
but
I
want
to
remind
you
what
this
this
tool
shows
here
is:
if
you
put
a
hard
edge
on
the
peninsula,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
the
surge
wall,
but
we
have
to
raise
the
edge
of
the
peninsula
so
that
the
tides
don't
come
in
all
the
time.
You
can
see
the
benefit
of
doing
so
so
again.
A
This
is
just
a
pilot,
but
it
captures
visually
what
we're
trying
to
say
about
raising
the
hard
edge.
So
we
stop
the
tide
from
getting
into
the
peninsula
and
if
we
do
so
that
will
lessen
the
demands
on
the
drainage
system.
So
we
get,
we
get
a
multiple
benefit
there
and
councilman
gregory.
Here
you
go.
You
indulge
me.
Yes,
the
water
plan
city
council
last
year
approved
funding
for
a
water
plan.
Comprehensive
integrated
water
plan
came
out
of
the
dutch
dialogues.
It's
been
done
in
new
orleans.
A
A
This
may
take
some
time,
so
the
advisory
committee
and
the
mayor
and
others-
and
I
think
council
is
recommended-
make
sure
we
use
this
water
plan
to
inform
what
we
may
do
in
ped.
That
is
our
goal,
but
we
have
to
see
how
quickly
the
information
comes
back
from
the
team
that
we
hire
to
do
that
work,
and
I
guarantee
you.
I
will
push
them
to
give
us
some
results
before,
let's
say
december,
of
2020
2022.
So
we
can
have
this
information.
A
One
of
the
things
I'm
pondering
and
I've
discussed
with
the
mayor
and
with
matt
fountain,
is
to
putting
some
language
in
this
scope
of
work.
That
would
give
the
city
the
option
to
have
the
consultant
become
an
owner's
agent
so
that
if
city
council
said
you
know
what
in
may
or
june
of
this
year,
go
study
this.
So
we
understand
what
is
what
it's,
what
it's
going
to,
how
it's
going
to
impact
pet
or
what
it's
going
to
impact
with
this
wall.
A
The
city
council
would
fund
that,
and
we
could
task
this
directly
to
that
consultant,
team
or
consultant,
so
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
procure
that
separately
and
wait
longer.
So
I
would
like
to
put
that
language
in
there
I'm
going
to
put
it
in
there
until
someone
takes
me
to
take
it
out,
because
it
will
create
some
flexibility
for
us
to
go
forward.
A
D
A
A
You
councilman,
so
I
agree
100
your
where
you
make
your
investment
is
a
reflection
of
your
priorities.
Right
so
again,
I
think
we
have
to
consider
maybe
a
phase
two
or
a
second
year
funding
for
the
water
plan
and
let's
figure
out
how
to
phase
that.
But
I
agree-
and
I
hope
we
can
count
on
your
support
for
that.
So
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
I'm
not
a
lobbyist,
but
we
also
have
to
do
the
rosemont
resilience
plan.
A
It's
something
that
the
advisory
committee
recommended
very
important
to
council
mitchell
to
those
non-structural
areas
were
in
touch
with
them.
Be
aware
that
city
council
did
not
provide
separate
line
item
funding
for
the
rosemont
resilience
plan.
The
idea
was
well
we'll
just
fund
it
out
of
the
water
plan.
Well,
I
just
explained
to
you
explained
to
you
that
the
water
plan
is
slightly
under
resourced.
A
So
let's
talk
about
that.
Be
aware
that
I
am
already
trying
to
put
my
hands
in
people's
pockets
to
get
money
to
help
them
support
this
there's
a
possible
grant
funding
opportunity,
a
big
one
that
would,
and
one
of
our
local
stakeholders
has
pointed
this
out
to
me
that
we
may
be
able
to
get
money
from
them.
I
think
we
can,
but
we
have
to
do
this
too.
A
A
So
we
had
a
team
of
dutch
and
americans
and
locals
here
experts
planners
designers,
engineers,
hydrologists
groundwater.
Folks,
all
those
folks
here.
This
report,
as
you
may
know,
was
the
compendium
of
a
lot
of
great
ideas,
but
I
wrote
most
of
the
report.
I
took
a
lot
of
ideas.
These
words
are
mine,
so
I
know
what
they
mean.
So
if
you
have
questions
about
the
dutch
dollar
sport,
please
ask,
but
here
the
importance
of
perimeter
protection
cannot
be
overstated
and
any
protection
must
be
logical,
practical
and
forward-looking.
A
Some
of
those
alignments
they're
in
the
tsp
they're,
not
that
but
ped-
can
help
us
get
there.
So,
let's,
let's
do
this,
but
also
we
should
try
to
get
multiple
benefits
from
this.
There's
a
misunderstanding.
I
think
floating
around
about
what
multiple
benefits
could
be
from
this
project
or
how
the
dutch
look
at
multiple
benefits.
I
have
a
slide
after
this.
I
can
talk
about
multiple
advantage
day
and
night.
If
you
want
to
do
that
happy
to
do
that,
but
just
want
to
say
here
we
are.
We
can
get
some
multiple
benefits
from
this
project.
A
A
Hold
on
a
second
so-
and
I
had
I
have
oodles
of
slides
here,
so
let
me
just
briefly:
let
me
take
this
opportunity
so
yeah
this
is
infrastructure
right,
the
top
left,
that's
a
that's
a
16
foot!
It's
a
five
meter
high
sea
wall
on
the
coast
of
the
netherlands,
protecting
scheveningen,
that's
a
funny
dutch
town,
but
the
hague.
The
cedar
government
is
right
behind
that.
This
was
a
boulevard,
pretty
ugly
parking
lots
on
it.
A
Beachfront
it
was
nasty
they
brought
in
a
good
designer
to
make
sure
the
surge
wall
reflects
some
important
values.
So
now
they
have
a
surge
wall.
That
is
a
walkway.
This
thing
has
restaurants
on
it.
It's
really
cool,
they
break
them
up
when
the
storm's
coming,
they
put
them
up
behind
the
wall
and
they're
safe.
That's
a
multiple
benefit
thing:
it
is
a
surge
wall
and
amenity.
The
top
right
we
were
here.
This
project
is
now
completed.
It's
one
of
the
room
for
the
river
projects,
so
the
river
that
you
see
meandering
on
the
left.
A
That's
the
wall
river.
It's
an
important
discharge,
channel
or
navigation
channel
from
germany
up
through
the
netherlands.
This
area,
the
netherlands,
has
a
lot
of
river
floods
in
the
last
decade,
because
quick
snow
melt
more
rainfall
in
germany
coming
down
this
river
flooding
them,
you
will
see
the
pointer
is
not
working,
but.
A
That's
their
big
river
levee.
This
thing
is
high,
it's
probably
22
or
24
25
feet
high.
They
set
this
back
from
the
river
edge.
You
can
see
the
old
river
edge,
they
set
that
levy
back
and
they
created
this
diversion
areas
and
the
river's
high
that
water
is
going
to
flow
through
that
channel
that's
been
created.
You
see
it
under
construction
on
the
right
that
will
lower
the
water
level
downstream
with
the
people
we're
getting
flooded
from
things
here.
What
they're
doing
here?
What
was
surprising
to
the
folks
from
charleston
over
there?
A
They
needed
a
playground,
but
they
also
had
pawnee
what
to
do
so.
They
created
these
sort
of
storm
water
features
in
there
that
they're
dry
most
of
the
time,
but
when
it's
wet
they
fill
up
with
water.
So
now
you
have
a
multi-band
of
it.
You
have
a
playground
and
water
management,
the
one
in
the
middle.
That's
a
parking
garage
entrance
to
a
parking
garage
that
is
under
a
beach
that
had
a
big
sea
dike
put
in
front
of
it
and
the
city
said
hey
well,
let
me
back
up
here
on
these
projects.
A
The
national
government
pays
for
the
flood
risk
mitigation
and
the
locals
pay
for
the
betterments
or
the
the
the
bells
and
whistles.
So
this
town
we
talk,
kotzwake
is
a
dutch
beach
town.
German
tourists.
Are
there
all
the
time
the
dutch
hate,
the
german
tourists,
because
they
leave
their
garbage
and
and
the
park
on
the
street
and
all
that
they
leave
the
garbage
on
the
street
didn't
apply.
Anything
else
said:
wait
a
minute.
You
want
to
put
sand
up
on
our
beach
you're
going
to
kill
our
views.
You
don't
you,
let's
not
do
that.
A
What
are
options
so
they
worked
with
the
design
team
design
said:
let's
put
a
revetment
in
the
in
the
dune,
so
they
lifted
the
dune
up.
They
put
a
concrete
steel
there
to
make
that
sea
wall
they
covered
it
with
sand
and
behind
that
the
the
revetment
the
sea
wall,
they
put
a
parking
garage,
660
spaces
bonded,
the
german
tourists
were
paying
their
parking
fees
and
the
dutch
have
built
this
wonderful
structure,
pretty
smart
guys
right.
So
that's
how
you
do
this
you
get
creative,
for
how
can
we
combine
multiple
benefits
and
the
last
one?
A
This
is
an
area
of
rotterdam
redevelopment
area.
It's
a
museum
district.
There
are
a
bunch
of
museums
nearby.
They
decided
to
consolidate
this.
There
was
an
old
ugly
parking
surface
parking
garage
here.
Where
you
see
that
sort
of
colorful
thing
in
the
middle,
the
museum
said:
hey,
we
need
more
parking.
A
The
city
said
fine,
you
guys
pay
for
the
parking
garage,
build
it
underground
and
store
the
storm
water
from
this
whole
area
in
that
facility,
when
you
hit
a
certain
level,
so
they
did
this.
There
is
a
storage
chamber
that
when
it's
the
first,
I
think
two
centimeters
of
rain
that
falls
in
this
region.
It
goes
when
it
when
the
drainage
system
is
at
capacity,
so
it
would
flood.
A
Otherwise
the
water
gets
diverted
into
the
storage
chamber
and
when
the
tide
goes
out
on
the
river,
because
the
river
is
pretty
close
by
it
drains
out
into
the
river,
this
is
multi-benefit
infrastructure
and
the
museum
district
and
the
visitors
are
paying
for
it.
So
pretty
cool
and
we
have
some
things
here.
We
can
do
in
charleston
with
this
project
too,
and
if
you
want
to
talk
about
those,
I
will
so
I'm
I
can
see
you're
all
I've
talked
too
much.
A
We
we
have
looked
at
the
bridgeview
area,
caden
and
I
have
we
have
spoken
to
the
owner
of
the
new
owner
of
the
apartments
up
there.
They
are
monitoring
this
study.
They
said
you
know.
Once
we
move
into
the
pet
phase,
they
want
to
talk
to
us
about
the
flood
proofing
mechanisms
that
would
go
in
up
in
those
facilities.
C
Even
when
it's
raining,
you
know
it's
blood
blood
you
can't
get
in
and
out
safety
mechanism,
because
even
the
safety
fireman's
and
nobody
can
get
in
there
right
nicely
more
entertainment.
When
we
just
have
a
storm
coming-
and
I
mean
it's-
I
mean
it's
an
ocean
right.
You
can't
get
enough.
Even
the
residents.
D
C
D
A
Well,
what
I
would
how
to
respond
is,
if
you're
willing
to
make
the
introductions
with
the
community.
I
am
more
than
happy
to
go
up
there
and
work
with
the
corps
of
engineers
either
over
the
next
year
or
when
we
would,
if
and
when
we
would
start
ped
to
work
with
them
to
see
how
we
can
provide
them
with
other
benefits.
I
drive
across
the
raveno
bridge
every
day
and
I
can
see
the
where
that
area
is
and
it
I
worry
about.
A
I
do
worry
about
a
surge
event
and
if
you
say,
there's
a
lot
of
construction
going
on
over
there,
I'm
sure
the
hydrology,
the
surface
storm
water
drainage
has
been
changed
up
there
because
of
all
this
development
and
so
working
with
them
through
the
water
plan
also,
but
with
them
individually.
What
would
they
want
us
to
do
there
in
addition
to
the
flood
proofing,
the
non-structure
from
the
core?
I
would
love
to
explore
that
with
them.
C
C
You
know,
I
talked
to
a
lot
of
constituents
and
they
they
say
it's
the
big
concrete
wall
and
of
course
you
know,
that's
that's
the
perception
that
I
think
a
lot
of
folks
have.
I
think
it
would
be
advantageous
for
us
to
engage
prior
to
ped,
at
least
with
some
design
ideas,
so
the
community
is
on
on
board,
with
some
conceptual
ideas
number
one
number
two.
If
we
do
approve
ped,
what's
the
financial
outlay
for
the
city,
what
are
we
responsible
for?
Okay.
A
Let
me
take
the
latter,
the
last
question.
First,
the
estimate
from
the
army
core
engineers
for
ped
is
a
total
cost
over
three
years.
Is
the
estimate
of
how
long
ped
would
take
it
could
take
longer
to
take
a
year
longer?
Who
knows
we
just
have
to
see
how
what
kind
of
troubles
we
run
into
into
ped.
We
find
some
geotechnical
challenges.
You
know
in
our
in
the
engineering
studies
again
three
to
four
years,
the
total
cost
is
51
million.
A
A
Should
we
ponder
with
the
community
what
they
want
to
do,
or
do
you
want
to
bring
in
an
outside
consultant
and
design
team
which
sorry
if
I
were
king,
that
would
be
my
preference,
because
they're
really
creative
folks,
I'm
bringing
them
in
to
help
to
engage
with
the
community
and
the
city
to
see
what's
possible
and
let
the
army
corps
of
engineers
be
part
of
that
process,
so
they
know
what's
coming.
I
think
that
would
be
ideal.
A
A
A
We'd
have
something
to
build
upon
would
be
paying
double,
no
we'll
be
paying
150
150,
maybe
because
we
have
to
see
that
there
is
a
mechanism
and
wes
they've
shared
this
with
us,
that
we
could
work
with
the
corps
under
an
mou
and
separate
mou
to
try
to
get
some
of
these
costs
credited
in
ped,
but
they
would
then
have
to
meet
certain
performance
criteria
that
the
core
could
in
in
essence,
analyze.
That
would
become
part
of
the
start
of
ped.
So
there's
a
consideration.
A
That
is
why
I
would
like
that
that
scope
of
work,
the
scope
of
work
for
the
water
plan
to
have
that
owner's
agent
component
to
it,
so
that,
if
you
all
decided,
we
want
to
do
this
and
here's
some
money
for
it.
We
could
just
procure
it
and
we
wouldn't
have
to
square.
We
could
just
contract
it
give
a
task
order
and
not
have
to
procure
it,
so
we
don't
have
to
wait
four
to
five
months
to
start
it
is
that
fair,
okay,
thank
you.
D
A
It's
well,
there
are
ideas
in
there,
so
none
of
them
have
been
engineered.
So
I
think
what
we
do
with
that
with
an
external
consultant
or
with
the
core
and
an
external
designer
in
ped,
because
the
mayor's
letter
indicates
this.
We
would
like
external
design
advice
in
ped
because,
as
smart
as
the
city
is
and
the
army
corps
of
engineers
is,
we
may
not
be
the
most
creative.
Let's,
let's
understand
our
strengths
and
weaknesses,
external
design.
A
Folks
they've
worked
in
this
realm
and
they
try
to
blend
design
and
this
amenity
that
you
see
in
these
projects
and
they
try
to
blend
the
engineering
and
the
design.
So
you
get
something
creative,
so
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
a
great
idea
to
go
down
that
road,
but
again,
I'm
not
a
designer.
I
have
a
lot
of
really
smart
design
for
designer
friends,
but
and
people
that
can
help
us,
but
I
think
we
just
understand
the
difference
between
the
two.
Now.
Let
me
talk
so
you've
teed
up
something.
That's
that's
come
up.
A
I
mentioned
norfolk.
Norfolk
is
two
years
ahead
of
us
in
their
pet
phase.
They
have
a
waterfront
park,
their
version
of
waterfront
park,
their
version
of
variety
waterfront
park.
It
happens
to
have
a
battleship
in
it
like
they
have
over
mount
pleasant.
So
it's
well
programmed
it's
downtown.
It's
protecting
a
lot
of
facilities,
their
structure,
their
they
have
four
separate
structures
in
four
separate
neighborhoods.
That's
what
they're
being
protected
against,
but
this
downtown
one
looks
a
lot
like
part
of
our
downtown
the
tsp,
the
recommended
plan
had
a
grey
wall.
A
A
A
You
put
it
someplace,
you
put
some
dirt
in
it
sand
or
whatever,
and
it
then
has
weight.
It
can
deal
with
the
storm
surge
and
it
has
width
on
top
10
12
feet
of
width.
Oh,
what
is
that?
That's
the
low
battery?
It's
the
high
battery
they're
using
a
bin
wall
in
norfolk
as
a
project
feature,
so
that
means
it's
part
of
the
project
cost
shared
6535
to
deal
with
that
part
of
the
part
well
hold
on
a
second.
We
would
all
love
it's
an
idea
that
mayor
riley
has
had
I've.
A
A
Sorry
for
my
core
engineers,
friends,
but
have
the
feds
pay
for
two-thirds
of
that?
Well,
wouldn't
that
be
awesome
again,
there's
gonna
be
challenges
there,
because
we
have
to
make
sure
that
this
that
the
subservice
would
support
that.
But
that's
what
we
do
in
ped
there's
a
multiple
benefit
there
that
we
can
do
how
far
up.
Do
we
go
to
the
medical
district
for
sure?
Do
we
go
up
to
brittlebank
park?
I
don't
know,
and
if
we
get
over
to
the
east
side,
can
we
pull
that
up?
A
You
know
we
have
to
watch
the
yacht
club
and
their
needs,
but
can
we
pull
that
up
there
and
get
into
the
union
pure
terminal
and
get
that
sort
of
river?
I
don't
know,
but
it's
something
that
that
bin
wall
enables
and
it's
possible
within
is
a
project
feature
in
norfolk.
So
it's
encouraging
that
you
know
there's
a
there's,
a
possible
improvement
here
that
helps
us
achieve
what
you
know.
My
my
dutch
friends
have
have
done
in
the
netherlands.
C
A
C
Primary,
I
mean,
I
think
this
is
sort
of
the
disconnect.
A
lot
of
us
are
having
right
now
on
these
issues
of
stormwater,
title
sea
level
rise
we're
facing
those
issues
on
a
regular
basis,
and
we've
we've
discussed
this
we've.
You
know
growing
up
in
charleston.
Those
things
happen
once
every
10
months,
and
now
it's
every
two,
almost
every
other
day,
it
seems
like
yes,
sorry
most
of
us.
C
B
You
know
not
just
surge.
Senator
tom
carper
he's
a
democrat
from
delaware,
chair
of
the
environment
and
public
works
committee,
is
poised
to
join
republican,
senator
bill
cassidy
of
louisiana,
introducing
a
bill.
That's
called
shore
shoreline
health
oversight,
restoration,
resilience
and
enhancement,
and
the
house
members
are
lining
up
from
from
both
delaware
and
louisiana.
B
The
bill
would
create
new
flexibility
and
authorities
to
help
the
corps,
protect
fragile
infrastructure
and
support
vulnerable
coastal
economies.
So
all
of
these
things
would
apply
to
us
and
I'll
read
one
more
sentence
of
it.
If
you
don't
mind
the
bill,
for
example,
would
change
the
way
the
core
develops
projects
by
allowing
states,
localities
and
other
non-federal
sponsors
like
us
to
pitch
projects
that
directly
address
the
threat
of
climate
change,
including
sunny
day
tides,
extreme
rainfall,
increasing
sea
level
rise
and
back
bay
flooding.
C
Tell
you
my
thought,
mayor
thank
you,
for
I
did
read
your
letter
of
february
7th
and
I
thought
you'd
point
out
some
very
excellent
points
and
concerns
that
you
know
I've
talked
about
as
well
for
some
of
these
impairments
on
cardboard
street
in
jackson,
street
and
lockwood
boulevard,
and
those
things
bear
just
read
to
us.
Dale
will
the
corps
based
upon
what
the
mayor
just
gave
us
that
new
hot
off
the
press
information?
A
So
I
think
it's
I'm
gonna,
be
I'm
gonna,
give
you
a
pessimist
and
an
optimist
answer
here,
and
you
can
weigh
what
you
like.
The
core
of
engineers
has
authority
interpreted
beginning
in
1956,
saying
you
deal
with
storm
surge
everyone
else.
The
states
and
locals
deal
with
riverine
tidal,
stormwater
groundwater.
That's
the
interpretation
of
federal
policy
that
governs
the
corps
of
engineers
today.
A
A
Yes,
I
just
described
how
we
can
get
amenity
up
the
east
up
the
west
side
with
a
bin
wall,
so
that's
good,
so
that'll
help
with
surge
and
tidal,
because
if
that
thing
is
built
on
land
or
right
at
the
land
water
edge,
it's
going
to
stop
the
tides
from
coming
in.
So
those
king
ties
that
flood
harleston,
village
and
that'll
air
in
the
medical
district,
we
will
now
have
a
wall
there
that
those
tides
are
not
coming
in.
A
So,
yes,
it
is
dealing
with
title
because
we're
not
we're
not
in
a
in
a
title
creek.
So
that's
wine.
The
army
corps
of
engineers
is
going
because
there
is
at
some
point
that
wall
height
will
be
insufficient.
Okay,
your
anticipate
a
12-foot
surge
and
you
get
a
13-foot
surge
right.
Irma
was
9.9
feet.
Hugo
was
10
feet,
so
this
wall.
This
structure,
would
protect
against
that
wonderful.
A
What
happens
if
you
get
a
14
foot
surge?
Well,
two
foot
coming
over
the
top
or
one
foot
coming
over
the
top
of
the
water
coming
over
top
of
the
wall.
That's
something!
And
then,
if
you
normally
have
gravity
over
overland
drainage
for
gravity,
that
wall
has
now
created
the
bathtub,
so
you're
impounding
water.
The
army,
core
engineers,
has
to
put
pumps
in
there
to
mitigate
those
things
me
to
get
that
extra
flooding.
C
A
The
peninsula,
that
means
those
systems,
the
calhoun
west,
you
know
if
and
when
it
gets
built
or
the
medical
district
facility.
Those
systems
will
not
be
pumping
tidal
water
because
it
is
blocked
off
just
be
pumping
storm
water
and
the
volumes
of
storm
water
are
less
than
the
volumes
of
tidal
water.
So
you
do
get
these
ancillary
benefits
and
we've
communicated
in
that
letter
to
the
army
corps
engineers.
A
So
there
are
some
possibilities
to
deal
with
this,
but
it
isn't
an
explicit
goal
with
the
army
corps
engineers,
but
we're
trying
to
think
as
creatively
possible
within
that
pessimistic
view
of
the
world.
Let
me
become
the
optimist,
this
legislation
that
the
mayor
introduced
it's
something
that
a
lot
of
people
have
been
fussing
about
for
a
long
time
and
I'm
one
of
the
million
that
have
been
fussing
about
this.
A
A
Are
they
creative
designers
for
urban
areas?
No
they're
not
and
they'll,
acknowledge
this.
So
this
legislation
to
deal
with
storm
water
and
nuisance,
flooding
and
sunny
day
flooding.
This
is
important.
The
environmental
defense
fund,
so
susan,
is
over
there,
the
other
advisory
crew
members.
I
sent
them
a
letter
and
councilman
seekings
and
councilman
warren
got
this.
We
sent
them
a
letter
from
edf
that
was
out
for
circulation
in
the
fall
october,
telling
the
army
corps
that
you
had
better
start
to.
You
have
authority
to
to
broaden
your
your
mandate.
A
This
legislation
reflects
that.
Is
it
in
policy
right
now?
No
word
is
up
for
20
up
in
2022.
Could
it
be
included?
Yes,
do
I
think,
there's
a
chance
of
it
being
included.
I
do-
and
let
me
just
say
this-
my
good
friend
former
senator
mary
landrieu
and
I
have
worked
with
senator
carper
on
a
regular
basis.
We
know
he's
serious
he's
chairman
of
the
committee
that
deals
with
worda,
so
he'll
put
it
in
until
he
has
to
take
it
out.
Garrett
graves
he's
the
congressman
from
louisiana
who's
sponsoring
this
in
the
house.
A
A
We
joke
that
he
is
a
thorn
in
the
side
of
the
corps
of
engineers,
but
he
is
well-meaning
and
he
is
also
he
has
seen
these
strictures
on
the
corps
of
engineers,
these
boundaries,
and
then
we
know
in
these
modern
times
with
these
compound
flood
events
and
increasing
water
from
all
sources.
We
need
to
do
more,
so
I'm
hopeful,
but
even
in
the
pessimistic
view
in
the
world,
we
can
do
some
things
to
help
address
this
sorry.
My
passion
comes
out,
though.
I'm
sorry.
C
C
A
So
I
mean
I,
you
know
with
all
due
respect.
I
should
ask
you
you're
the
engineer,
but
let
me
say
this.
I
think
the
schedule
suggests
three
to
four
years
for
ped.
So
let's
say
we
start
pet
in
2023,
get
through
ped
start
construction
by
2027..
That
is
likely
the
earliest
yeah
okay.
So
okay,
yes,
does
that
does
that?
Does
that
help
well.
C
So
I've
seen
different
estimates
from
2027
to
2032
and-
and
I
so
my
follow-up
question
is:
how
are
we
accounting
for
construction
cost
inflation,
because
right
now
we're
saying
1.1
billion
dollars
right
construction
cost
inflation
is
enormous
right
now.
Yes,
it
is
so.
How
are
we
accounting
for
that
in
in
the
budget.
A
If
we
would
get
that
far
because
that's
further
out
right,
the
financial
strategy
for
construction
is
going
to
require
support
from
county
and
state
folks,
and
we
know
there's
a
bunch
of
federal
money
out
there,
that's
going
to
be
spent
over
the
next
10
years.
You
you
know
that
the
federal
government's
pushing
out
some
money
for
infrastructure
and
it
won't
be
absorbed
very
quickly.
So
can
we
get
some
of
that
for
the
construction
phase?
Yes,
I
think
so
we're
thinking.
A
A
I've
said
very
clearly:
you
know:
phase
one
of
head
is
going
to
show
us
the
flexibility
that
the
corps
of
engineers
can
provide
to
us,
because
we
will
go
from
joe
riley
stadium,
the
bottom
of
the
citadel
crosstalk
rally
down
to
the
coast
guard
station.
There
we
have
that
creek
in
front
of
joe
roddy
stadium.
A
We
have
brittlebank
park,
which
is
soft.
Some
nature-based
features
a
softer
type
of
surge
structure.
There
come
under
the
complex
medical
district,
which
needs
the
highest
level
of
protection,
the
strongest
level.
No,
you
know
all
redundancy
possible
there,
because
we
need
to
protect
that
coming
down
the
lockwood
corridor
to
help
harleston,
village
and
and
south
abroad
communities.
A
So
we're
going
to
see
there
in
that
process
how
creative
we
can
be
and
how
flexible
the
corps
of
engineers
is
going
to
be.
Can
we
get
some
mitigations?
Can
we
get
some
project
features
and
get
some
betterments?
That's
what
we
do
in
the
design
phase,
so
in
fact
we
may
get
into
phase
one
and
determine
okay.
This
is
really
tricky.
Let's,
let's
reconsider
what
we're
doing.
A
We
may
get
into
phase
one
and
say
wow
because
of
this
legislation
or
because
of
the
wonders
of
the
district
here,
they're
pushing
hard
that
we're
being
successful
in
ped
to
make
this
thing
work
in
the
ways
we
need
to.
So
I
think
phase
one
is
really
going
to
be
a
telling
point
for
ped
to
see
to
see
if
we're
ever
going
to
get
to
construction.
I
guess
that's
how
I
would
point
it
say
it.
D
C
Are
the
off-ramps
then
that
you
that
you
view
and
ped?
So
if
we
start
ped,
you
know
51
million
dollars,
17
million
dollars,
sharing
six
million
dollars
per
year.
Roughly
so
is
that
a
where
do
we
have
an
off
ramp?
Do
we
spend
two
million
dollars
and
then
have
an
off-ramp
to
re-evaluate?
Yes?
Where
do
we
have.
A
A
Here's
your
class
city
council
will
be
given
that
and
city
council
will
consider
it
at
the
end
of
that
year,
in
the
middle
towards
the
middle
of
the
year,
army
corps
will
come
back
and
say
this
is
how
far
we've
gotten
the
report
to
the
council
to
the
city.
This
is
how
we've
gotten
this
is
what
we
want
to
do
next
year.
A
If
the
city,
you
all
determine
that
you
don't
want
to
spend
the
money,
because
you're
unhappy
with
results,
you
just
don't
provide
your
funding
for
that
next
year
and
the
army
corps
engineers
has
to
stop
the
study
because
they
need
the
local
money
to
get
to
the
100
percent
that
they
need
to
do.
That's
those
phases
for
the
next
year.
So
there's
an
off-ramp
every
year.
C
C
So
we
looked
at
a
seven
foot
wall,
a
nine
foot
wall
and
a
12
foot
wall
and
anything
above
a
12.
We
realized
we
had
to
make
some
modifications,
the
bridges
I-26
and
at
that
point
we
kind
of
just
qualitatively
ruled
it
out.
So
we
did
a
quantitative
assessment
on
the
7,
9
and
12
and
to
maximize
our
net
benefits,
which
is
our
national
economic
and
development
plan.
We
selected
the
12
foot
wall,
the
incremental
benefits
go
up
drastically
the
higher
the
higher
wall.
C
A
So
let
me
just
let
me
add
this
a
lot
of
my
smart
engineering
friends.
They
have
wondered
if
12
feet
is
high
enough.
I
imagine
that
was
part
of
your
motivation,
for
the
question
is
12
feet
high
enough
again,
I
think
this
is
part
of
the
of
the
next
phase
of
head
in
phase.
We
would
do
some
studies
is,
is
12
feet
appropriate
and
keep
in
mind
that
if
the
water
comes
over
12
feet,
that's
just
to
design
exceedance,
and
you
have
to
have
that
pumping
there
to
do
that.
A
A
You
know
that
there's
no
friction
no
wave
reduction
it's
going
over,
but
if
you
put
friction
outside
of
the
wall,
that's
going
to
lower
the
wave
height
a
bit
the
more
space
you
have
and
more
friction
the
lower
the
wave
height,
so
the
less
water
getting
over
top
and
it'll
also
reduce
the
wave
energy.
So
you
have
those
benefits
from
nature-based
features.
It's
in
the
letter
that
we
sent
to
the
core
like
these
things,
need
to
be
explored
very
carefully.
A
A
But
again,
this
idea
of
adding
more
friction
through
nature-based
features
is
is
a
smart
response
and
it
does
enable
us
to
respond
to
is
12
foot
high
enough
and
again
that
12-foot
is
probably
okay
in
year,
one
to
10
of
the
structures
of
the
structure
surge
life,
but
because
we
don't
know
how
quickly
sea
levels
are
rising.
It's
just
a
guess
right
now,
we're
probably
going
to
need
that
resilience
that
extra
resiliency
for
more
friction
in
the
out
years
in
year,
40
so
in
2070
or
2080.
C
Thank
y'all
and
dale
fantastic
presentation.
As
always,
I
feel
like.
I
learn
a
lot
every
time
I
hear
you
speak
about
these
subjects.
You've
clearly
done
your
homework
and
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
from
the
mayor
that
there's
this
major
legislative
bush
in
dc,
I
made
a
couple
calls
last
month.
I
didn't
think
anything
would
come
of
it,
but
apparently
I
mean
apparently.
C
C
The
most
recent
report
I
think
from
last
fall,
maybe
november
or
so
the
300
pager
and
there's
a
section
where
it
sort
of
goes
through
the
legislative
authority
that
corresponds
to
this
limitation
and
actually
did
some
additional
research
on
it,
and
I
didn't
see
the
phrase
storm
surge
anywhere.
Now
you
can
tie
this
legislation
back
to
you
know
the
world
war
ii
era.
There's
2018
funding
authority
that
allowed
the
3x3
study
to
move
forward.
C
My
question
is
this
is,
let's
just
say
you
know
the
republicans
and
the
democrats
in
d.c,
you
know
get
together
everybody's
singing
kumbaya
and
they
pass
this
wonderful
piece
of
legislation.
Let's
say
it
happens
later
this
year.
Let's
say
it
happens
next
year.
Well,
we
have
already
been
too
far
down
the
road
with
this
wall.
A
A
My
belief
is,
unless
there's
a
clause
that
says
all
completed
feasibility
studies
do
not
get
the
benefit
of
this
wonderful
improvement
if
it
if
it
says
that
we
would
have
to
be
careful
we'd
have
to.
Let
me
look
at
the
language
if
it
doesn't
say
that
according
to
the
schedule,
that's
there
now
we'll
get
a
chief's
report.
If
we're
successful,
we'll
get
an
authorization
appropriation
towards
the
end
of
this
year,
it's
an
election
year
who
knows
what
congress
is
going
to
do?
Who
knows
what
mischief
could
happen
up
there,
but
where
do
bills?
A
You
know
everyone
gets
a
bit
of
a
piece
of
the
pie
there.
So
those
things
like
transportations,
all
those
things
you
know
they
grow
and
there's
a
lot
of
support
for
them.
So
that's
a
word
of
bill.
If
this
is
added
into
the
word
a
bill,
there's
no
doubt
that
the
administration
is
going
to
support
this.
A
So
if
there's
a
push
from
the
white
house
and
those
folks,
if
this
happens,
we
won't
start
ped
until
after
this
law
takes
effect
so
because
it'll
go
into
effect,
probably
upon
the
prawn
signature,
because
it's
going
to
give
the
core
of
engineers
authority
to
start
thinking
in
this
way.
The
challenge,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
in
the
design
phase
and
the
ped
phase
for
the
army
corps
engineers
to
again
there.
A
They
have
very
strict
procedures
with
how
they
look
at
flood
risk
and
they're
going
to
have
to
adapt
to
this
new
authority
wes-
and
I
we've
had
a
text
about
this
this
morning.
It's
like
boy,
you've
got
a
bunch
of
work
coming
at
you.
If
this
law
passes,
I
mean
it's,
it's
fun,
it's
we're
dead,
serious
and
I
think
that's
why
we're
going
to
need
an
external
designer
to
help
us
take
advantage
of
the
flexibility
of
that
law,
with
the
army
corps
and
with
the
city.
A
C
Yeah
that
all
makes
sense-
and
I
think
this
is
certainly
something
worth
following
closely,
but
if
I'm
hearing
what
you're
saying
correctly
and
again
a
lot
depends
on
the
details,
and
this
may
not
even
happen.
So,
let's
not
be
counting
our
eggs
before
they're
hatched,
but
we
could
imagine
a
world
in
which
head.
C
B
Yes,
oh
dale,
if
I
may
interject
a
couple
things,
one
is
don't
get
me
wrong,
I'm
I'm
not
for
slowing
anything
down.
It's
taken
us
long
enough
to
get
to
where
we
are
but
we're
in
charge
of
the
schedule
to
a
great
extent,
because
if
we
don't
approve
the
budget
for
the
next
year,
it'll
it'll
be
deferred
for
a
year,
and
so
if,
if
some
circumstance
were
to
occur
with
this
legislation-
and
it
would
make
sense
to
wait
a
year,
we
can
do
that.
It's
up
to
us
right.
B
Yes,
sir,
that's
what
I've
been
told
all
along
cords
back,
there
nodding
their
head,
but
I
I
understand,
completing
the
question.
I
appreciate
it,
but
I
got
to
repeat
again
that
their
willingness
to
be
flexible
with
us
has
been
clearly
communicated
and
it's
been
expressed
to
them
as
well
of
the
need
for
the
flexibility
and
even
if
this
legislation
doesn't
occur
and
we
go
through
a
year
ahead
like
like
dale
says,
and
we
don't
see
that
flexibility
happening
we're
in
charge,
we
can
we
can
turn
off
the
switch
you
know.
B
So
I
I
think
we
we
we.
We
certainly
are
partners,
but
we
both
have
a
a
chance
at
the
ignition
switch
here
to
cut
things
on
and
off.
In
the
meantime,
I
did
want
to
just
share
that.
We've
been
talking
about
this,
this
one
one
major
initiative
here:
the
perimeter
of
protection
and
and
the
thought
that
time
moves
on,
and
we
got
to
wait
for
this
process
and
that.
B
But
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
in
the
meantime,
matt
fountain
over
there
is
doing
about
100
million
dollars
worth
of
projects
this
year
that
all
tie
into
our
city's
efforts
that
we
did
update
our
comprehensive
plan.
We
will
be
moving
forward
on
the
land,
use
recommendations
of
the
comprehensive
plan
over
the
next,
and
that
will
be
a
two-year
thing
too,
but
to
rezone
properties
that
are
low-lying
and
at
risk.
B
So
so
I
just
want
to
just
put
it
out
there
remind
everybody
that,
while
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
this
going
back
to
our
original
level
and
flooding,
strategies
of
of
resources,
infrastructure,
governance,
land
use
and
resiliency,
you
know
we
we
can
walk
and
chew
gum
at
the
same
time
and
we're
doing
we're
doing
those
things
as
well.
Just
a
reminder,
any
other
questions
comments.
Council,
remember
seeking
thank.
D
You,
mr
dale,
thank
you.
As
always.
I
appreciate
it
a
couple
things
one
I
was
just
sharing
with
the
mayor
and
councilmember
shade.
I
haven't
looked
to
see
the
projections,
yet
I'm
sure
that
bus
and
his
team
know
about
this
too,
but
noaa
has
now
released
its
2022
sea
level
rise
technical
report,
which
has
updated
projections
for
all
u.s
coastal
waters
through
2150,
so
I'd
predict
without
having
read
it,
but
you
might
have
already
looked
that.
D
D
Obviously
you
saw
what
I
wrote,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
have
this
chronology
right,
because
we've
asked
citizens
to
sit
on
a
committee,
and
I
see
one
of
them
here
and
council
members
too,
and
we've
been
operating
off
of
a
certain
timeline
and
there
was
a
good
bit
of
urgency
placed
on
this
whole
notion
of
setting
us
up
at
this
council
to
be
ready
to
vote
whether
or
not
to
go
forward
and
depend,
and
we
had
a
city
council
workshop.
It
was,
I
think,
right
after
you
started
working
here.
D
Unless
you
were
there
and
we
were
told
that
the
vote
on
ped
was
going
to
go
forward
in
december
or
january
and
from
that
point
forward,
then
this
would
go
up
the
chain
and
ultimately
seek
funding,
because
you
would
have-
and
you
used
the
term.
I
believe
willing,
non-federal
sponsor
right
and
the
indication
of
our
willingness
was
not
a
signature
from
the
mayor
saying
complete
a
report.
D
Am
I
right
about
that?
So
what
happened
so
I'm,
as
you
saw
on
my
piece
I
mean
I
turned
that
an
opportunity
for
us,
because
we
as
a
council
were
being
set
up
to
go
and
vote
on
this
thing.
In
december
or
january,
there
were
groups
or
asked
to
vote
up
or
down
whether
they
endorsed
it,
the
chamber
of
commerce,
my
community
association,
all
those
things
were
like
we
think
you
know
there
were
lots
of
adjectives,
but
there
were
some
positives.
D
Cautiously
with
qualifications,
but
all
that
that
was
a
setup
for
us
to
vote
this
thing
forward.
So
then
the
army
corps
could
take
it
up
the
chain
of
command
with
a
willing
local
non-federal,
sponsor
saying
yes,
if
you
go
and
get
this
and
you
put
it
in
aborta
and
it
gets
appropriated,
then
boom
we're
ready
to
go.
D
You
can
get
right
into
pen
that
changed
somehow
what
I
just
want
to
know
what
changed,
because
it's
reversed
of
what
we
were
told
and
you
know
for
us
at
the
local
level,
when
we
tell
our
neighbors
our
friends
and
our
constituents
that
something's
about
to
come
down
the
pike
and
get
ready
for
it
and
we
get
the
good,
the
bad
and
the
ugly.
Now
it's
kind
of
been
it's
a
deep
breath,
and
I
certainly
think
that
the
mayor
absolutely
should
sign
that
letter.
Surprisingly,.
D
I
could
have,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
it
some
context
at
the
local
level,
because
in
the
end,
in
the
end,
the
authorization
to
go
forward
is
not
just
congress.
It's
us
these
12
people
and
the
mayor
around
this
table
saying
we're
in
for
35
percent
and
with
the
off-ramps
that
paul
have
been
talked
about,
but
it
is
an
endorsement.
It
is
committing
monies
and
we
were
all
being
set
up
right
to
go
back
to
our
constituency.
D
Think
through
this,
have
a
committee
send
out
reports,
send
out
timelines
all
that
stuff,
and
so
I
don't
know
what
you
call
the
next
year.
I
call
it
a
huge
opportunity
for
us
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers
and
the
easiest
target
is
lockwood
right.
I
mean
that's
the
easiest
target,
we're
never
going
to
build
a
wall
that
crisscrosses
lockwood
four
times
and
has
four
gates
you
got
to
go
through
so
anyway.
I
don't,
and
we
don't
have
to
answer.
A
B
D
A
A
Eis
last
september-
and
there
was
a
communication
that
the
city
would
receive
a
recommended
plan
that
would
be
used
to
run
up
the
chain
of
command
and
move
into
ped
upon
further
investigation
and
again-
and
this
is
something
that
I
learned
and
my
predecessor
learned-
we
had
sort
of
interesting
discussions
with
universities.
What
is
a
recommended
plan
well
recommended
plan.
Is
a
decision
internal
to
the
army
corps
of
engineers
when
they
take
the
draft
ideas
and
there
is
a
fairly
serious
set
of
meetings
in
review
within
the
army
corps.
A
Saying.
Are
we
comfortable
that
this
becomes
the
foundation
of
our
final
report?
It's
an
internal
thing,
but
it
is
called
a
recommended
plan.
We
were
under
the
assumption
that
we
were
going
to
be
given
a
recommended
plan
sometime
in
the
fall,
we
had
to
delay
it
because
majority
shot
across
the
bow,
but
that's
wonderful.
This
is
an
improvement.
It's
wonderful!
A
We
were
expecting
a
recommended
plan
anywhere
from
november
to
december,
and
then
the
idea
was
you're
going
to
see
it,
and
that
was
going
to
be
it.
What
we
found
out
was
in
fact,
as
as
this
thing
as
the
district
finalizes
this
and
sends
it
up
the
chain
of
command.
The
division
and
headquarters
can
change
it.
A
So
that's
a
bit
scary
to
ask
you
guys
we
thought
hold
on.
Are
we
going
to
ask
you
guys
to
support
something
that
may
be
not
be
finalized?
So
we
have
the
option
now
to
come
back
to
you
after
they
do
their
work
and
after
they
get
their
appropriation
to
see
the
final
report
and
the
design
agreement,
because
that
is
what
sets
up
ped.
So
there
was
a
misunderstanding
and
I'll
be
honest,
it
surprised
me
and
it
surprised
a
lot
of
folks
who
were
involved
with
this
again.
A
We
know
now
we
know
better.
Now
it
does
create
this
opportunity
that
you
mentioned
that
we
can
do
things
in
between.
But
again
it
is
not
my
responsibility
to
suggest
how
to
spend
city
resources,
but
things
we
can
do
as
councilman
sacrament
said
between
councilman
gregory
said
between
now
and
then
a
design
agreement.
A
D
A
D
Scarce
resources-
and
we
shouldn't
be
spending
monies
that
aren't
well
pointed
aren't
going
to
be.
The
public
benefit,
aren't
going
to
do
all
the
things
we
want
them
to
do,
and
clearly
water
management
is
one
of
them,
but
once
we
get
into
pet,
it's
65
35
right.
I
think
everyone
around
this
table
agrees.
There
are
certain
things
in
this
preliminary
recommended
plan
that
we're
never
going
to
agree
to,
but
it
can
get
fixed
and
ped.
We
got
to
go
pay
35
to
fix
something
that
we
know
needs
to
be
fixed
in
advance
right
now.
D
Why
does
it
get
fixed
before
it
comes
back
to
us?
Because
if
it
comes
back
to
us
in
that
configuration
trying
to
sell
going
forward
and
fixing
this
and
that
the
other
thing
is
going
to
be
a
hard
sell,
it's
just
going
to
be
a
hard
sell.
So
I
mean,
if
we
know
there
are
certain
things
out
there.
I
would
implore
this
council
to
go
back
and
look
at
our
budgets.
Let's
get
some
resources
towards
doing
a
comprehensive
water
plan.
That
now
knows
that,
essentially
the
recommended
plan
is
in
our
hands.
A
D
I
get
that
it
will
change,
we
think,
comma.
We
think
what
we've
done
in
front
of
us
now
is
what
we've
got
in
front
of
us,
how
it
changes
I
mean
I
likely
will,
but
we
don't
know
for
sure
that
that's
what
we've
got
it's,
what
we're
operating
right
and
if
what
I'm
hearing
today
is
correct,
it's
going
to
be
what
we're
operating
off
of
with.
Maybe
some
minor
changes
going
into
pen
and
there
are
other
things
in
just
lockwood
that
need
an
adjustment.
Why
would.
C
D
B
You
sorry,
if
I
may
interject,
I
think,
there's
real
engineering
time
and
cost
to
to
decide
to
make
some
of
those
decisions
just
to
use
the
lockwood
example.
I
mean
it's
it's
clear.
We
put
them
on
notice.
We
all
agree
that
what
what's
in
the
current
recommended
plan,
if
you,
if
we're
quite
at
that
point,
yet
isn't
going
to
be
suitable
to
us,
you
know
we
could
go
and
design
something
on
our
own.
I
guess,
and
we'd
still
have
to
vet
it
through
the
core
during
ped.
B
We
put
them
on
notice
using
this
example
that
that's
got
to
change.
If
it
doesn't,
we
got
off
ramp
every
year
to
save
see
you
later
so
I
mean
I
I
hear
you
I,
I
think,
there's
plenty
of
work
to
be
done
with
the
water
plan
this
year
to
to
fulfill
our
knowledge
and
and
and
and
plans,
not
just
on
the
peninsula,
but
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
including
johns
island,
james
island,
west
ashley.
You
know,
that's,
that's.
B
The
water
plan
is
intended
to
be
a
city-wide
thing,
and
I
I
hear
you
mike,
but
I
I
really
think,
from
a
practical
point
of
view,
to
to
really
get
down
to
the
nitty-gritty
and
design
that
gate
change
or
whatever
we
propose
it.
It
takes
some
science.
It
takes
some
some
money
and
and
we'd
be
better
off
doing
that,
together
than
we
would
be
going
out
like
the
lone
ranger
yeah.
D
D
A
Let
me
say
this:
there
is
a
difference
between
jordy's
shot
across
the
bow.
Sorry,
the
ports,
the
ports
communication
that
the
the
september
tsp
optimized
field,
optimized
tsp
alignment
was
insufficient
for
their
purposes.
It
was
an
important
signal,
so
that
was
you
know.
That
was
a
big
piece
of
property,
because
you
have
a
potential
redevelopment
of
one
part
of
that
it's
going
to
provide
if
developed
appropriately
and
as
we
imagine
now,
tremendous
amount
of
economic
value
and
housing
and
other
things
for
the
city.
A
So
why
wouldn't
you
protect
that
and
jordy's
boss
is
fond
of
saying
who
knows
what
the
future
of
transportation
looks
like
in
25
years,
we'll
be
re-exporting,
bmws
and
volvos
from
that
facility?
No
one
knows
so
that
the
the
future
uses
of
columbus
terminal
may
also
change
in
over
the
lifespan.
So,
let's
make
sure
we
get
that
protected.
That's
massive
and
it
was
important
that
we
get
it
done.
A
Blockwood
is,
is
really
making
sure
that
we
can
put
something
on
the
western
side
of
lockwood
under
the
james
ivan
connector.
That
would
be
again
sufficient
to
mitigate
surge
to
the
12-foot
design
level
and
would
stay
there
and
not
sync.
You
have
to
make
sure
that
the
subsurface
is
right.
That
requires
a
fairly
high
level
of
technical
analysis.
A
I
think
the
core
of
engineers.
Again,
if
I
recall
they
said
we
understand
right
now
that
the
lockwood
alignment
is
a
challenge.
We
don't
have
the
money
to
study.
What
else
could
be
done
so
we're
just
putting
this
here
so
the
scale
of
those
two
things
are
different
and
you
know
I
think
we
need
to
just
acknowledge
that.
Do
I
think
we
need
to
spend
the
money
now.
So
whatever
would?
A
Let's
say
you
all
approve
here's,
a
million
dollars
for
a
design,
engineer,
an
architecture
and
some
hydrologist
to
go
and
study
the
lockwood
quarter
from
the
coast
guard
station
up
to
brittlebank.
Here's
a
million
bucks
come
back
to
us
in
seven
months
with
a
plan,
big
work,
okay,
it
could
be
done
we
have
to
so.
You
all
have
to
understand
sorry
to
be
disrespectful,
not
trying
to
be
the
army
corps
engineers
already.
They
have
run
an
analysis
against
their
feasibility
plan.
A
A
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
just
so
I'm
clear,
because
I'm
not
a
numbers
guy,
so
I
can
get
sort
of
lost
in
all
this
talk.
If
we
decide
to
go
into
pet
and
then
we
take
that
first
off
ramp
the
following
year
and
say
we're
out
whatever,
for
whatever
reason:
what
have
we
just
paid
for
for
a
year?
What
what
do
we
have
as
an
asset
moving
forward?
Do
we
have
some
of
these
studies
you
talked
about
and
how
much
money
have
we
just
spent.
A
So
so
the
scope
and
schedule
the
the
setting
up
of
those
studies
what's
done
in
year.
One
some
of
those
studies
can
be
done
in
three
months.
Some
of
them
may
take
18
months.
It
just
depends
on
what
you're
looking
at
so
whatever
is
completed
in
that
first
year
in
the
army
corps
will
give
us
updates
of
where
they
are.
You
know
what
the
consultants
are
providing
at
that
point.
We
will
have
that,
so
we
will
have
that
again
and
we
can
use
that
in
perpetuity
when
it's
developed
it's
ours.
A
So
again,
I
don't
want
to
say
that
every
study
can
be
done
within
a
12-month
time
frame,
because
some
can-
and
some
cannot
so
it's
possible
that
we
could
be
asked
to
spend
four
and
a
half
million
or
five
million
dollars
in
year.
One
and
it's
funding
ten
different
studies
and
reports
or
analyses,
and
we
get
eight
of
them
back
completed,
but
two
of
them
may
not
be
so
we'll
have
the
status
of
that
report.
A
At
that
moment,
when
the
we
decide
to
terminate
the
study
again
or
turn
or
not
move
forward
in
the
next
year-
and
I
don't-
I
don't-
want
to
scare
my
friends
over
there
because
they're
listening
and
they're
going
to
report
up
the
chain
of
command.
That
is
not
our
goal.
Our
goal
is
to
succeed,
but
let's
be
realistic,
we
may
not,
so
we
have
to
have
a
we
have
to
have
that
in
the
back
of
our
mind.
As
you
know,
what's
our
alternative?
C
A
A
I
would
so
I'm
not
our
point,
I
would
certainly
hope
so
and
okay,
I
can
guarantee
you
that
I
will
be
I'm
calling
less
about
this
edition
and
the
mayor,
the
mayor,
will
be
talking
to
the
colonel
into
the
general
in
in
atlanta.
So
the
first
part
of
your
question,
I
regret
to
say
I
don't
know
the
extent
of
modifications
that
the
chief
or
headquarters
has
made
when
it's
run
up
the
chain
of
the
command,
and
I
don't
know
if
west
yes,
sir
thanks
deal.
C
If
there
are
significant
changes
or
major
changes,
we
will
come
back
to
council
and
present
those
to
you,
but
we
nancy's
had
a
lot
of
experience
on
these
projects
in
texas
and
other
areas
of
the
country,
and
there
is
very
minor
little
changes,
it's
usually
wordsmithing
small
words
and
that's
it.
There's
no
technical
changes
or
anything
along
those
lines.
C
When
we
send
that
up
to
our
through
our
chain
of
command,
I
mean
they
are
looking
at
policy
things
and
that
sort
of
thing
they
are
not
looking
at
alignments
and
designs.
They
don't
look
at
and
think.
Oh.
This
would
be
better
if
it
had
an
angle
like
this.
There
is
no
engineering,
they
they're
not
out
there
re-engineering
it
right,
they're,
not
doing
that
kind
of
thing.
I
have
never
seen
anything
more
than
wordsmithing.
D
D
A
A
It
doesn't
mean
that
there's
not
surge
risk
and
council,
a
woman,
parker's
district
or
anyone
others
district.
There
is
it's
just
that
this
is
here
that
boundary
condition
is
there
at
a
staff
level.
I
have
spoken
with
folks
at
the
county
and
I
have
spoken
with
folks
in
the
state,
and
I
have
spoken
with
folks.
A
As
you
may
know,
there
is
the
state
resilience
office
and
they're
doing
a
resilience
plan
which
is
really
a
statewide
flood
plan
right
now,
I'm
serving
on
one
of
those
subcommittees
just
just
to
make
sure
charleston
is
heard
and
that
so
we're
doing
this,
we
don't
have
an
ask
for
them
yet
because
we've
designed
nothing
so
we'll
go
there.
The
mayor,
you
can
talk
about
the
conversations
you've
had
with
your
colleagues
around
the
around
the
neighborhood,
so.
B
We
should
give
that
group,
I'm
matt
fountain
an
update
next
time
they
get
together
just
so
the
in
addition
to
the
mayors-
and
I
had
a
number
of
council
members
attend
from
from
the
other
cities
as
well.
Mary
haney
was
there
ron
brinson.
Was
there
north
charleston
mayor
of
seabrook
kiawah
sullivan's
island?
So
we
we,
we
are
making
those
efforts.
That's
right.
A
A
It's
no
double
dipping
cdb
cdpgdr
is
one
of
those
places
where
that
can
be.
We've
talked
about
this
again,
reluctant
to
say
we're
going
to
put
this
application
out
there
without
confidence
that
we're
happy
with
the
plan
again
up
until
three
weeks
ago.
We
did
not
see
jordy's
realignment.
Sorry,
we
did
not
see
that
realignment,
I
mean.
So
you
know
we
have
to
be
careful
when
we
ask
for
money
with
this
we
get.
A
We
have
to
go
with
a
serious
request
and
we're
if
we
complete
the
study-
and
we
see
this
other
work
going
on-
we'll
talk
with
them
and
again
and
we
have
time
because
these
grant
cycles
are
not
even
open
yet
so,
and
let
me
I
forgot
to
answer
one
of
your
previous
questions,
the
water
plan.
The
goal
is
to
have
it
tease
out
per
hydrological
basin.
A
What
risks
are
there?
What
opportunities
are
there
to
mitigate
their
risk?
Not
just
with
pumps
or
concrete
or
land
use
policy,
but
land
cover
policy
and
all
those
other
things
so
we'll
look
at
it
for
basin
and,
as
you
all
know,
and
councilwoman
parker
knows
this:
intuitively
these
basins
cross
many
many
different
political
jurisdictions.
So
we
will
have
to
look
at
those
things
and
work
with
other
folks
and
we
may
have
to
go
to
charleston
county
or
to
berkeley
county
and
say
here's
this
basin
we're
downstream
you're
upstream.
A
A
C
West,
the
current
contingency
number
is
36
percent.
We
have
built
in
to
all
the
costs
all
right,
so
that's
in
the
in
the
1.1
billion,
but
also
in
the
51
million
for
design.
Yes,
sir,
okay,
great
thank
you
and
then
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
you,
but
with
regards
to
the
work
product
from
the
pd,
so
you
were
talking
about
the
hydrologic
survey.
C
A
We
either
have
to
create
a
very
clear
mou
and
make
sure
it's
good
that
we
can
get
credit
for
that
in
ped,
because
if
we
don't,
we
won't
so
we
have
to
see
what's
possible
and
I
don't
know
the
boundary
conditions
of
the
negotiation.
We
should
explore
that
the
second
question
response
to
you
about
what
was
the
other
part
of
your
question.
I'm
sorry!
So
the
question.
C
A
C
A
That's
going
to
depend
on
each
particular
study
and
we'll
see
how
long
it
takes
to
do
that
there
is
a
so
again.
That's
what
I
try
to
explain
to
councilman
bowden
is
you
know
we'll
tea
up?
They
will
tee
up
studies
with
us
in
bed.
Some
of
those
can
be
created.
You
know
in
a
relatively
short
period
and
others
in
a
longer
period,
we'll
have
to
see
what
those
are,
but
whenever
they're
ready,
they
should
be
able
to
inform
other
agent
h
challenges
on
the
peninsula.
A
C
I
like
the
language
around
anchoring.
Could
we
expect
a
response
to
this
letter
from
the
army
corps?
Is
a
sort
of
trust
building
exercise
here
to
sort
of
address?
Maybe
some
of
council
member
seeking's
points.
In
other
words,
you
know
we're:
we've
got
these
good
verbal
communications
working
together,
we're
in
off
each
other
mayor
sent
this
wonderful
letter.
C
Maybe
this
will
be
helpful
for
you
to
understand,
but
we
are
going
to
take
it
one
step
further
we're
going
to
take
that
letter
and
we're
going
to
put
it
into
our
final
report.
So
it's
an
appendix
of
our
report
so
folks
can
have
that
for
the
future
that'll,
be
you
know
somewhat
part
of
our
response.
A
lot
of
that
letter
is
going
to
be
taken
into
account
in
the
negotiations
and
the
design
agreement.
So
that'll
be
part
of
our
response.
Going
forward
as
well
is
what
that
final
design
agreement
will
look
like.
B
And
then,
just
very
briefly,
I
wanted
to
address
the
matter
that
council
member
seeking
brought
up
about.
I
guess
the
misunderstanding
about
coming
together
today
and
needing
or
not
to
like,
take
a
vote.
We've
been
on
this
path
on
this
journey
now
almost
four
years-
and
I
must
admit
maybe
it
was
a
misunderstanding
on
my
part
in
marx.
But
I
thought
that
when
we
got
to
the
point,
when
we
got
to
this
letter
of
support
that
it
would
be
a
commitment
to
ped
and
a
commitment
to
funding,
it
is
not.