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From YouTube: City of Charleston City Council Meeting 8/15/23
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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 8/15/23
A
B
Thank
you
all.
Everybody
I'd
like
to
call
this
August
15
2023
meeting
of
the
city
council
of
Charleston
the
order
Madam
clerk.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll
councilmember.
B
Here
now,
if
you
all
would
like
to
join
us
council,
member
shealy
will
lead
us
in
an
invocation
and
a
pledge
of
allegiance.
You.
D
Our
dear
heavenly
father,
you're,
Almighty
and
all
blessings
come
from
you
Lord.
Thank
you
for
all
you've.
Given
us,
we
thank
you
for
the
life
of
Curtis
and
Abnet
and
how
he
did
work
serving
our
community
and
did
it
in
your
name
Lord.
We
ask
that
we'll
all
be
inspired
to
continue
to
do
great
work
like
Mr
in
Abnet.
We
also
thank
you
for
Jalen
Hughes,
young
man,
who's,
answering
your
calling
and
doing
great
works
in
our
community.
We
ask
that
you'll
continue
to
bless
Jalen
and
his
missions
Lord.
On
this
overdose
day.
D
We
ask
that
you
help
us
bring
the
overdose
crisis
to
an
end,
be
with
our
Police
Department,
our
fire
department,
our
medical
professionals,
as
they
all
strive
to
educate
the
public
on
the
dangers
of
opio,
opioids,
Fentanyl
and
other
drug
overdose
issues,
allow
their
messages
to
be
heard
and
reduce
the
number
of
overdoses
in
our
community
Lord.
We
thank
you
for
our
incredibly
talented
and
devoted
staff.
We
have
working
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
We
ask
that
you
continue
to
bless
them
and
be
with
those
working
in
the
extreme
heat
to
serve
our
community.
D
Give
them
the
physical,
mental
and
emotional
strength
they
need.
Lord.
We
ask
for
your
protection
over
our
firefighters
and
our
police
officers
as
they
put
themselves
in
harm
ways.
In
Harm's
Way
to
protect
us
Lord
at
summer
ends
a
new
school
year
begins.
We
thank
you
for
those
who
work
to
educate
our
youth.
D
We
ask
that
you'll
bless
and
guide
our
teachers,
administrators,
our
sros,
our
bus
drivers
and
all
who
take
care
of
our
young
people
give
us
patience
as
we'll
be
waking
up
a
little
earlier
in
the
morning
and
hitting
morning
traffic
help
us
to
keep
our
patients
Lord.
We
ask
for
your
protection
over
our
children
throughout
the
school
year,
open
our
minds
tonight
and
help
our
counselor
to
work
together
to
make
decisions
that
are
pleasing
to
you
and
right
for
our
community.
D
E
F
B
B
There
are
these
two
doors
out
of
this
room
and
the
one
door
out
of
the
room
to
my
right.
If
that
were
to
occur,
don't
use
the
elevator.
The
only
choices
we
got
are
the
two
stairwells
going
down
to
the
first
floor
and
the
one
stairwell
heading
up
heading
out
the
front
of
the
building,
but
just
to
let
everyone
know
in
that
most
unlikely
event.
B
So
we
have
a
resolution
in
remembering
a
wonderful
charlestonian
former
mayor
of
Ravenel
and
state
representative
Curtis
and
nabnet
Jr.
Sadly,
it's
his
family
was
not
able
to
join
us
as
we
thought
they
were
going
to
be,
and
so
we're
going
to
defer
that
to
a
future
meeting
a
councilmember,
Waring
and
I
both
attended
his
funeral
services
and
what
a
wonderful
lovely
man,
Curtis
and
Abnet
was,
but
we
will
recognize
him
when
his
when
Ethel
and
Curtis
Jr
are
able
to
join
us.
B
So
I'd
like
to
move
next
to
a
a
resolution,
a
proclamation
recognizing
a
young
man,
Jalen
Hughes,
a
Boy
Scout,
Troop
415
and
all
of
Boy
Scout
Troop
415.
Please
come
forward
Jalen
and
your
family.
If
they
would
like
to
join
you
up
here
on
the
podium
with
me.
Congratulations
for
your
good
work,
so
I
have
a
proclamation
really
in
your
honor
Jalen
and
and
the
Scout
spirit
that
you
have
exemplified
the
City
of
Charleston
wishes
to
recognize
distinguished
young
citizen
17
year
old
Rising,
High
School
senior
Jalen
Hughes.
B
With
the
help
of
this
church
and
other
community
outreach
organizations,
Jalen
was
able
to
distribute
these
cards
to
those
in
need
throughout
the
Charleston
Community,
including
veterans,
individuals
with
families
experiencing
homelessness,
senior
citizens
and
individuals
with
disabilities
and
whereas
Jalen
R
Hughes
is
a
devoted
son
friend
Advocate
lifelong
learner,
who
achieved
more
than
he
ever
thought
possible
and
Inspire.
Those
around
him
to
give
back
to
their
communities.
Jalen
earn
an
ace
for
this
extraordinary
Act
of
service
and
we
commend
him
for
all.
He
has
done
to
improve
the
lives
of
those
in
this
community.
B
G
G
I
wanted
to
combine
not
only
my
equal
Scout
requirements
for
the
Boy
Scout
project,
but
also
just
as
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
who
are
in
a
less
fortunate
situation,
not
in
an
exact,
not
exactly
ideal
situation,
so
I
wanted
to
try
and
help,
even
if
I
might
not
be
able
to
do
like
something
large
scale,
but
to
the
best
of
my
ability
with
the
donation
drive
that
project
with
Goodwill
a
little
bit
will
and
thank
you.
A
B
B
So
Curtis
Jr
has
arrived,
and
now
we
will
proceed
with
the
resolution
regarding
his
wonderful
dad
who
was
a
personal
friend
of
mine
as
well,
and
a
just
a
beautiful
human
being
I
I
share
with
you.
B
He
was
a
member
of
the
progressive
Club
on
John's
Island,
founded
by
Esau,
Jenkins,
SEPTA,
mcclark
and
others
to
prepare
African
Americans
to
vote
and
to
provide
Sanctuary
during
the
Jim
Crow
years.
Having
served
as
mayor
of
the
town
of
Ravenel
from
1982
to
1990.
Curtis
was
also
a
member
of
South
Carolina
House
of
Representatives,
representing
Charleston
and
college
and
counties
from
1991
to
99.,
Charleston,
County
councilman
from
2004
to
2011..
B
Prior
to
that
all
that
service
he
was
the
first
African-American
appointed
to
the
Charleston
County
Election
Commission,
whereas
Curtis
and
Abnet
helped
start
the
Sea
Island
Farmers
Cooperative
was
a
member
of
the
NAACP
and
Omega
Sci-Fi
fraternity
and
served
those
various
boards
and
commissions,
whereas
Curtis
and
Abnet
had
survived
by
his
wife,
Ethel
and
his
son
standing
here
with
me.
Curtis
and
Abnet
Jr
who's.
B
A
fine
gentleman
in
his
own
right
now,
therefore,
be
it
resolve
that
I,
John,
J,
tecklenburg,
mayor
of
the
city,
along
with
our
citizens
and
our
city
council,
extend
to
the
members
of
your
family
Curtis.
This
expression
of
our
sincere
regret
for
your
loss,
but
know
you'll,
be
consoled
by
the
fine
memories
of
your
Dad's
life
as
many
achievements.
He
was
truly
a
remarkable
citizen
of
the
Low
Country.
H
I
H
Storing
this
on
on
my
dad
I
apologize,
if
my
mom
couldn't
be
here,
she
was
on
her
way,
but
had
a
fall
so
now
she's
in
the
in
the
emergency
room,
but
I
feel
wholeheartedly.
Thank
this
body
and
I,
don't
know
if
I
could
ever
be
of
service
to
the
city,
but
if
I
can
in
any
way
just
call
on
me.
Thank
you
so
very
much.
B
Next
I
would
like
to
invite
Chief
Cheeto
Walker,
if
he's
still
in
the
house,
to
join
me
up
here,
along
with
our
Charleston
Police,
comprehensive
opioid,
stimulant
substance,
abuse
program,
coordinator,
Shelby,
joffreen
and
Dr
Alan
Shao
to
the
podium
and
I
have
a
proclamation
regarding
overdose
or
Awareness
Day,
which
is
later
this
this
month
on
August
31st,
whereas
the
City
of
Charleston
acknowledges
the
harm
and
harmship
caused
by
drug
overdoses
and
recognizes
the
importance
of
Overdose
awareness
day
and
remembering
those
laws
to
overdose
and
working
both
to
prevent
and
end
the
stigma
surrounding
drug
related
deaths,
whereas
from
20
to
21.
B
The
total
number
y'all
listen
up
of
drug
overdose
deaths
in
South
Carolina
increased
by
more
than
25
percent
and
that's
been
true
all
across
the
country.
By
the
way
there
were
over
a
hundred
thousand
deaths
by
drug
overdose
in
the
United
States
of
America
last
year.
It's
really
an
alarming
number,
whereas
in
addition
to
the
dangers
of
opioids
and
stimulants
like
cocaine
and
methamphetamines,
deceptive
lacing
of
fentanyl
with
other
drugs
is
occurring
at
alarming
rate.
B
I
mean
folks,
don't
even
know
when
they're,
by
buying
one
drug,
that
they're
really
getting
at
laced
with
another
drug
and
is
largely
responsible
for
the
recent
increase
in
overdose
deaths.
Death
involving
fentanyl
have
increased
by
more
than
35
percent
in
South
Carolina
and
the
drug
was
found
to
be
involved
in
more
than
two-thirds
of
all
opioid
related
overdose
deaths
in
2021,
whereas
the
Charleston
Police
Department
is
hosting
training
sessions
throughout
July,
August
and
September
and
I
know.
Council.
B
Now,
therefore,
I
John
Jay
tecklenburg,
mayor
of
the
city
on
behalf
of
city
council,
proclaimed
Thursday,
August
31st
to
be
overdose
awareness
day,
but
we're
going
to
continue
an
effort,
that's
ongoing
every
day
to
try
to
increase
awareness
about
the
harms
and
the
dangers
of
Fentanyl
and
Drug
overdoses.
So
I'm
going
to
call
Shelby
forward
Shelby
joffreen
who's
with
the
police
department.
B
J
J
34
of
those
were
unfortunately
fatalities,
but
what's
the
good
news,
Well
14
of
those
were
saved
by
bystanders
that
happened
to
have
Narcan
whether
or
not
that's
a
shopkeeper
or
a
friend
or
family
member,
another
14
or
15
were
saved
by
Narcan
that
our
police
officers
carry
and
another
50
odd
people
were
saved
by
EMS
and
our
fire
departments
that
also
carry
Narcan.
J
So,
although
Narcan
is
a
good
thing,
we
also
do
want
to
educate
and
promote
opioids
and,
like
the
mayor
said,
elicit
laced
substances
when
you
are
getting
one
thing
and
something
else.
So.
Thank
you
so
much
for
this
opportunity.
K
Yes,
Mr
Mayor.
Thank
you
very
much
and
first
of
all
thank
you
for
recognizing
national
awareness
day
struggle,
Awareness,
Day,
August
31st,
you
heard
the
mayor
say
is
that
day
August
31st
is
Ash
is
also
would
have
been
my
son's
birthday
the
same
day.
So
that's
a
strange
coincidence,
but
it's
a
reality.
K
So
I
was
in
Boone
North
Carolina
working
with
App
State
on
an
accreditation
visit
and
I
get
a
call
from
my
ex-wife
and
I
look
at
the
phone
and
I
saw
her
number
and
I
went.
Oh
something's,
not
good,
and
she
says
only
thing
she
says:
was
we've
lost
Allen
having
a
break
dropped
on
your
heart?
That's
what
it
feels
like
Fentanyl
as
a
culprit,
but
but
you
know
something
the
mayor
said
a
minute
ago
about
the
stigma
about
drug
addiction
and
drug
addicts
in
general
is
wrong.
K
If
you
know
anything
about
drugs,
it's
like
having
a
serpent
stuck
in
your
body.
That's
always
there.
It
may
lay
dormant
for
five
minutes
five
days,
five
months-
five
years
15
years,
but
it's
always
there
and
it
can
come
back
and
addicts
know
that
drug
addiction
is
is
not
something
to
be
frowned
on.
It's
a
disease
and
it's
something
to
be
dealt
with.
The
precursory
oftentimes
of
drug
addiction
is
mental
health
issues,
anxiety,
depression,
number
of
other
things.
K
So
that's
another
issue
that
needs
to
be
tackled,
but
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
children
in
here.
Probably
most
of
you
imagine
the
feeling,
because
people
come
up
to
me
all
the
time
and
say
I
can't
imagine
how
you
felt
and
my
patent
response
is
I
hope
you
never
feel
this
way,
because
if
you
want
to
shoot
a
hole
in
the
heart
and
leave
it
there,
that's
how
it
feels
it
will
never
be
filled.
No
matter
how
hard
you
try.
K
K
Staying
up
late
and
Mr
may
I
I'll
be
quiet
in
one
minute,
but
think
about
staying
up
late
and
taking
Adderall
students
are
on
a
limited
budget,
so
a
lot
of
times
they'll
order
it
from
online.
You
don't
know
what
you're
getting
online
it
could
be
laced
with
fentanyl
my
son
passed
away
on
January
29th.
K
K
Is
that
really
what
my
son's
life
was
about?
Having
a
bad
batch,
we
need
to
eradicate
it
totally
so
again,
I
applaud,
Mr,
Mayor,
so
much
and
and
he's
a
good
friend
and
I
I.
Thank
you
city
council
for
taking
this,
but
this
has
to
be
attacked
hard,
hard,
hard,
hard.
Fentanyl
has
no
conscience.
It
has
no
eyes.
K
It
has
no
ears,
it
doesn't
cap,
it
doesn't
matter
how
tall
you
are
your
race,
your
gender,
none
of
that
matters
you're
in
the
firing
squad,
if
you
take
any
any
form
of
of
pills
that
are
not
prescribed
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
If
any
of
you
ever
want
me
to
talk
to
a
group
whether
it's
high
school
college,
elementary
school
or
whatever,
I
will
do
so.
I
would
love
to
because
I
want
the
message
to
be
heard.
So
thank
you
so
much.
B
Thank
you
all
for
your
good
work
and
Dr
Chao
for
your
powerful
testimony.
B
Next,
we've
added
a
resolution
in
remembrance
of
another
remarkable
charlestonian
and
Low
Country
citizen
who
serve
the
City
of
Charleston
Police
Department
for
over
40
years,
Sergeant
Michael
Nick
can
I
ask
Chief,
Walker
and
The
the
Nick
family.
If
y'all
would
like
to
join
me
up
here
on
the
podium,
please
please
come
forward
at
this
time.
B
As
they're
getting
in
position,
I'll
present
this
resolution,
whereas
Sergeant
Michael
Nick
joined
the
Charleston
Police
Department
in
1983.,
where
he
quickly
became
known
as
the
first
face
visitors
met
when
they
walked
into
headquarters,
was
widely
recognized
by
citizens,
friends
and
co-workers
for
his
bright
wide
Rin
of
amazing
smile,
whereas
Sergeant
Michael,
Nick
dedicated
four
Decades
of
his
life
to
serving
the
Charleston
community
and
his
passion
for
service
continued
through
his
well-earned
retirement
from
the
Department
on
March.
B
The
31st
this
year
throughout
his
distinguished
career
Sergeant
Nick
served
in
a
number
of
capacities,
including
this
team.
Two
patrol
officer
team,
two
investigator
team,
one
supervisor,
Team
Four,
Sergeant,
front
desk,
sergeant,
detective
professional
development,
training
officer,
crime
prevention
officer,
tourism,
Services,
investigator
and
Elder
support
supervisor,
whereas
in
addition
to
the
many
positions
he
held
within
the
department,
Sergeant
Nick
was
known
as
a
caring
friend
and
Mentor,
who
many
turned
to
for
both
guidance
and
friendship.
B
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
by
the
mayor
and
council
members
of
Charleston
and
city
council
assembled
on
behalf
of
all
of
our
citizens.
We
extend
to
the
members
of
the
family,
this
expression
of
sincere
regret
for
your
loss
and
hope
and
know
you
will
be
consoled
by
the
memories
of
Sergeant
Nick's,
fine
life
and
achievement.
B
What
a
remarkable
man
I
attended
to
wait.
Just
the
other
night
and
I
was
at
Sergeant
Nick's
retirement
reception,
luncheon
that
we
had
just
a
few
months
ago
and
he
he
was
had
a
heart
of
service.
He
did
and
everything
that
he
did
the
love
for
his
family
for
this
community.
He
was
a
true
Guardian
in
that
sense
that
we
speak
of
for
the
police
department.
B
He
was
a
mentor
and
to
many
of
our
officers,
and
he
was
an
example
for
or
community
policing
and
that
Guardian
concept
of
policing
par
excellent,
but
his
love
of
God
and
love
of
his
family.
You
know
drove
drove
that
whole
being
of
his
so
again,
our
deepest
regrets
or
your
loss
and
anything
at
all.
A
L
Thank
you
all
so
very
much
mayor.
Thank
you
city,
council
Chief.
Thank
you
all.
So
very
much
I,
just
one
you
all
to
know
my
husband
tried
to
retire
so
many
times.
First,
he
retired,
and
then
he
went
back
and
tarried
and
then
he
kept
working
and
working
and
he
was
getting
tired
and
I
kept
telling
him.
You
know
it's
time
it's
time,
but
he
said
to
me
as
he
got
to
the
end.
You
know
how
can
a
man
walk
around
without
a
gun,
so
he
didn't
want
him.
L
He
didn't
want
to
lose
the
gun
so
that
kept
him
going
for
all
of
these
years,
but
he
truly
loved
the
City
of
Charleston
Police
Department.
It
was
his
home
away
from
home.
So
we
thank
you
all
so
much
and
always
keep
him
in
your
hearts
and
those
that
he
been
toward
just
do
what
he
taught
you
to
do
and
let's
continue
on.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
So
next
up
y'all
is
our
public
hearings
and
we
have
11
of
them
to
consider.
Number
12
has
been
deferred
now
with
the
change
of
location
by
the
way
we're
meeting
in
city
council
chambers
tonight,
rather
than
we
had
planned
an
away
meeting,
but
the
air
conditioning
wasn't
working
out
at
Charlestown
Landing,
so
it
feels
like
we
could
turn
it
down
a
little
bit
here
even
this
evening,
but
we
came
back
to
city
council
for
to
our
Chambers
for
the
meeting
because
of
the
air
conditioning.
B
So
since
the
public
hearings
had
been
advertised
at
that
location,
we're
going
to
conduct
them
here
this
evening,
but
we're
going
to
do
it
again
in
September.
Just
in
case
somebody
didn't
get
the
notice
that
we
changed
the
location.
So
we
will
be
able
to
proceed
even
take
action
since
we're
taking
first
reading
what
we
will
have
yet
another
public
hearing
on
all
these
matters,
but
if
anybody's
here
this
evening
on
number
one
through
eleven
you'll
we'll
be
able
to
hear
you
this
evening,
so
Mr
Morgan.
B
You
want
to
come
forward
and
present
present.
These
I
would
suggest
if
it's
okay
with
Council,
that
we
take
one
separately
and
then
maybe
run
and
and
maybe
one
and
two
separately,
their
business
related
items
and
it
will
take
3
to
11
as
a
group
because
they're
all
residential
zonings,
all
in
favor
of
doing
that.
Any
opposed.
Mr.
M
Morgan,
okay,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
members
of
council
and
I
will
go
through
these
very
quickly.
Let's
see
if
we
can
get
these
to.
B
M
Right,
this
is
for
a
planned
unit,
development
on
several
Parcels
at
that
are
at
99,
St,
Philip,
Street,
106
and
110
Street
in
the
Radcliffe
Borough
neighborhood
of
the
peninsula.
This
is
for
facilities
that
will
Aid
the
College
of
Charleston,
specifically
potential
dorm
space,
as
well
as
other
college
activities.
It's
known
as
the
college
support
District
HUD
is
what
it's
going
by.
It
does
involve
a
site
that
was
the
former
y
WCA
on
coming.
Street.
M
Yes,
yes,
I'm!
Sorry!
Is
that
better?
Okay?
Okay,
so
this
does
involve
a
number
of
personals
that
have
had
prior
uses.
The
YWCA
parcel
is
one
of
those
on
coming
Street.
There's
an
older
house,
that's
part
of
this
that
would
be
renovated
and
made
into
college
facilities,
and
then
there
is
a
condominium
building
at
the
corner
of
St,
Philip
and
vanrost
that
was
renovated
and
has
been
transferred
in
a
way
that
come
can
become
student
housing
as
well,
and
so
that
is
what
the
Pud
would
allow
for.
M
College
facilities,
classroom
space
office
space
and
also
the
majority
of
it
would
be
for
dormitory
type
space
and
I
will
show
you.
These
are
the
the
parcels
that
are
involved
again
it's
to
the
rear
of
property.
The
college
already
owns
that's
the
old
Bell
South
facilities
and
the
parking
deck
that
the
college
owns
on
St
Philip
street.
So
it's
in
immediate
proximity
to
the
college
campus
and
they've
worked.
The
applicants
have
worked
very
hard
with
the
radcliffeborough
area
neighborhood
to
make
sure
they're
comfortable
with
this
and
I.
M
Think
that
you
will
hear
about
how
the
neighborhood
is
comfortable
because
of
the
fact
that
this
is
creating
the
housing
closer
to
the
campus,
so
it
won't
have
to
be
out
within
the
neighborhoods.
But
here
we
see
in
our
comprehensive
plan
it
is
adjacent
to
the
campus
designation.
That's
on
the
rest
of
the
College
of
Charleston.
Were
this
to
become
part
of
that.
M
You
know,
essentially,
would
be
following
that
same
campus,
designation
as
the
College
of
Charleston
parcels,
and
this
is
just
the
difference
between
a
planning
and
development
and
the
current
diverse
residential,
that's
in
place
on
the
property,
and
these
are
some
of
the
details
of
the
planned
unit,
development
and
the
number
of
bids
that
could
be
in
different
parts
of
the
planned
unit.
Development
which
would
allow
for
a
good
bit
of
college
housing
on
the
site
and
just
some
aerial
images
of
the
buildings
and
the
plants
of
the
properties.
M
And
this
is
a
recent
annexation
at
912
Savannah
highway,
it's
across
from
the
Saint
Andrews
Center.
It's
an
existing
structure
that
has
a
commercial
use
in
it
and
it
would
come
into
the
city
as
limited
business.
Zoning
and
there
you
see
the
parcels
on
Savannah
highway.
It's
in
our
neighborhood
Edge
designations
of
limited
business
fits,
but
that
and
it's
just
there's
garage
Foods
limited
business,
allows
for
and
Planning
Commission
did
endorse
this
7-0
as
well.
E
N
Yeah,
okay,
thank
you!
It's
Anthony,
G
Bryant,
president
Frank.
You
think
public
policy
and
land
use
Consultants.
My
concern
is,
is
I
have
I
know
this
question.
Okay
notice
for
Facebook
is
the
Facebook
Community
standards
that
needs
to
be
posted
with
with
the
notice
and
also
the
the
YouTube
has
a
standard
as
well
and
and
that's
kind
of
about
the
federal
government.
So
you
make
any
statements
at
outlandish.
You
can
be
looked
into
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that's
on
the
table
and
guess
what
they
make.
N
They
got:
3.5
billion
dollars
cash
on
hand,
Facebook
does
and
Google's
got
118
billion
cash
on
hand,
and
you
get
a
little
bit
of
money
for
that
one
all
right
now
this
issue
in
terms
of
affordable
housing
in
terms
of
the
colleges
and
the
state
police
Authority,
but
all
this
land
they
got
and
highest
and
best
use
the
majority
of
the
people
that
own
land,
large
acts
of
land
is
a
government
right.
It's
the
government
in
Columbia,
it's
about
70
Colombia.
N
Is
the
government,
so
I
hope
that
the
College
of
Charleston
sit
down
with
the
group
of
people,
everybody
MUSC?
Do
you
have
some
land
available
for
those
workers?
My
aunt
used
to
work
for
the
college
I
got
arrested,
so
she
lived
on
Spring
Street,
my
uncle
with
the
MUSC
used
to
walk
to
work
for
30
years.
N
B
O
It
was
because
it
backed
up
to
the
garage
on
Saint,
Philip
Street,
and
the
goal
was
to
expand
the
garage
all
the
way
through
to
the
coming
Street,
which
would
have
been
a
huge
garage
which
would
have
generated
even
more
cars.
I
mean
this
is
such
a
wonderful
use
to
put
obviously
the
students
right
in
walking
distance
on
campus,
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
what
we
could
have
had
as
compared
to
what
we're
going
to
get
we're
trying
it
took
Vision
to
do
this.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
P
My
name
is
Anthony
McAllister
and
we're
representing
the
partnership
and
the
group
that
spent
nine
years
to
get
here
tonight
and
it's
been
a
wild
ride.
So
we're
excited.
We
think
it's
going
to
be
great
for
the
neighborhoods,
not
just
radical
abroad,
but
all
the
neighborhoods
as
far
as
livability
goes
and
we
we
hope
that
you
support
it
and
we're
here
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have
one.
B
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
being
with
us
Council.
We
do
have
one
other
comment
that
was
made
online.
Let
me
share
that.
Yes,.
C
Sir,
there
was
a
comment
that
was
submitted
by
the
preservation
Society
of
Charleston,
and
they
just
expressed
concerns
that
the
college
support
District,
PUD
black
detail
in
its
development
guidelines
and
those
are
all
the
comments
we
received.
Q
You
Mr
Mayor,
just
very
briefly,
I
mean
this
has
been
a
long
time
in
coming.
This
is
something
that's
been
greatly
needed
if
you
are
in
and
around
the
College
of
Charleston
campus
over
the
last
10
to
15
years.
As
it's
grown,
the
number
of
percentage
of
students
has
lived
on,
campuses
stayed
pretty
stable,
so
the
number
of
students
living
actually
off
campus
in
the
neighborhoods
has
grown
in
absolute
numbers.
Q
It'll
make
the
campus
much
more
homogeneous
it'll
give
the
students
who
are
going
to
College
of
Charleston
that
feel
of
living
on
a
campus,
because
that's
what
they
want
and
it
will
be
a
huge
Improvement
in
the
neighborhoods,
not
that
we
don't
want
students
in
there,
but
in
terms
of
cars
in
the
neighborhoods,
which
is
one
of
the
things
that's
been.
A
big
issue
has
been
parking
in
the
neighborhood,
so
accommodations
to
the
college,
to
the
private
Enterprise
to
Mr
McAllister.
Q
For
coming
up
with
this
plan,
I
will
say
that
we've
tried
during
this
process
to
come
up
with
a
zoning
category
that
makes
going
to
the
Pud
process,
not
necessary,
and
I
would
recommend
that
we
go
back
and
revisit
that.
We
probably
did
not
name
it
the
right
name,
but
it
effectively
allowed
for
high
density
student-oriented
housing
in
and
around
the
campus.
If
it
touched
the
campus
we're
gonna
bring
that
back.
Q
I
think
it's
really
needed,
and
this
is
a
perfect
example
of
probably
a
process
that
took
a
little
bit
longer
because
we
did
not
have
that
zoning
category
available
to
us,
but
we'll
bring
it
back.
Mr
Morgan.
This
fall,
so
thank
you.
I
definitely
commend
the
first
reading
on
this
to
all
of
us
great.
R
Well,
I
didn't
want
to
say
anything
up
but
been
through
this
and
worked
with
McAllister
and
he
called
to
be
like
he
spoke
with
me
and
I
asked
him
the
same
question
that
he
went
through
the
neighborhood
association
and
you've
done
that
went
through
the
Planning
Commission.
So
with
a
new
District
coming
in
this
little
changing
is
changing
so
I'll,
be
down
in
that
area.
That'll
be
a
district
that
I'm
representing
so
I'll
have
a
problem
with
it
since
conference
second
hand
what
he
went
through
it.
So
it's
fine
with.
B
Me
great
all
right
any
other
comments
or
questions
hearing
on
all
in
favor.
Please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
that's
for
first
reading
for
both
number
one
and
number
two
Mr
Morgan.
You
want
to
give
us
numbers
three
through
eleven
okay.
A
M
These
are
recent
residential
annexations,
so
I'll
just
zip.
Through
these
we
have
2245
South
gallerton
Circle
in
West,
Ashley
and
just
flip
through
these,
and
that
would
come
in
as
sr1
we
have
22
23.
M
North
Allerton
Circle
in
West
Ashley
would
come
in
as
sr1
also,
and
then
we
have
2138
wapu
drive
on
Jeans
Island.
That
would
come
in
as
sr1.
M
And
all
these
were
recommended
for
approval
by
the
Planning
Commission
we'd
have
1617
Wilshire
Drive
that
would
come
in
as
sr1
and
then
1865
Stonehedge
Road.
Here
we
go
with
that
one
and
1727
milmar
Street
sr1
West
Ashley.
M
And
2205
wafu
drive
on
James
Island
come
in
as
a
sr1.
M
743
Swan
Avenue,
it
has
sr1
in
West
Ashley.
B
Bird
Circle
Number
12
is
deferred
all
right,
so
I'm
going
to
repeat
those
addresses
and
if
anyone
has
any
comments
about
any
one
of
these
addresses,
please
come
forward.
2245
South
dollarton,
Circle,
2223,
North,
dallerton,
Circle,
2138,
wapu
drive
on
James
Island,
1817,
Wilshire,
Drive,
1865,
Stonehedge,
Road,
1727,
mulmar,
Street,
2205,
wapu,
Drive,
743,
Swan
Avenue
and
lastly,
1628
Boone
Hall
Drive.
Would
anyone
like
to
address
any
of
those
properties
all
right?
Were
there
any
online
comments?
Hearing
none.
B
To
city
council
any
comments
or
questions
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Thank
you
that
ends
our
public
hearings
for
tonight.
Next
up
is
approval
of
our
city
council
minutes
from
June
20th
of
any
corrections
deletions
additions
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
next
up?
Is
our
citizens
participation
period
so
nice
to
have
visitors
here
coming
forward
and
share
your
comments?
Let's
see
how
many
folks
we
got.
B
Oblige
could
we
allow
90
seconds
per
it.
Just
gives
people
enough
time.
I
know
it'll
run
a
little
over
a
half
hour,
but
and
and
ask
our
citizens
if
you
have
a
point
to
make,
and
it's
already
been
made
by
somebody
else.
Just
you
know
indicate
that
or
if
you
want
to
ask
the
folks
here
to
indicate
their
agreement
on
any
point.
B
So
so
we
move
it
along.
That
would
be
great.
Madam
clerk
will
call
out
about
two
or
three
names
at
a
time.
If
y'all
will
queue
up
so
we'll
be
able
to
hear
from
everyone
and
we'll
try
to
keep
it
at
the
90
seconds
each.
Thank
you.
S
Hi,
my
name
is
Jordan
lash
and
I
have
a
clothing
store
on
King,
Street,
305,
King,
Street
and
just
want
to
say
first
and
foremost,
I
am
all
in
favor.
100
is
safety
for
bicycles,
but
I
do
not
think
that
it's
the
right
answer,
making
a
bike
lane
on
whichever
way
on
King
Street
there's
a
lot
of
different
reasons,
because
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
people
will
point
out,
but
I'll
just
point
on
one
from
Calhoun
to
Broad
with
the
UPS
alone.
S
You
have
five
trucks
that
also
of
those
five
trucks
they're
splitting
up,
because
there's
they're
getting
them
traded
off.
Fedex
has
air
ground.
You
get
even
more
trucks
there
you
have
DHL,
you
have
restaurant
delivery
trucks
where
they're
pulling
over
they
already
kind
of
stay
in
the
middle
of
the
road.
It's
going
to
block
traffic
and
cause
more
congestion,
I
think
it's
actually
not
safe
to
have
the
bike
lane
there.
S
T
B
C
U
I
stand
here
as
a
long-term
resident
and
Merchant
on
King
Street
I'm,
a
pedestrian
I'm,
a
biker
I've
supported
Charleston,
moons
and
I
the
King
Street
economy.
Economic
contribution
is
over
two
billion
dollars
per
mic
seekings.
He
told
us
that,
as
a
figure
to
our
city
and
I,
believe
you
need
to
hear
from
this
group
of
stakeholders,
no
business
owner
was
invited
or
informed
of
the
traffic
and
transportation
meeting.
U
Last
week,
we
as
King
Street
Merchants,
were
led
to
believe
that
the
alternative
plan
to
move
the
bike
lane
to
Saint
Phillips
Street
was
approved
by
a
5-0
vote.
We
believe
that
this
is
such
a
much
better
idea,
because
it
would
be
a
two-way
Lane
and
closer
to
the
College
of
Charleston
and
keep
our
customers
safer.
We
care
deeply
about
our
customers,
family
members
and
friends,
and
we
strongly
urge
you
to
think
and
vote
for
safety
King
streets.
Pedestrians
are
already
spilling
out
over
the
sidewalks
on
busy
days
just
ride
downtown
on
Saturday.
U
We
need
the
buffer
zone
between
the
traffic
and
the
sidewalk
open
for
pedestrians
to
get
around
slow
movers
and
whatever
I
watched,
King
Street
every
day
and
I
do
not
want
a
fatality
to
tarnish
what
we
have
worked
so
hard
on.
Please
Mr,
Mayor
city
council
do
not
put
a
bike
lane
on
the
narrow
part
of
King
Street.
It's
not
safe
vote
for
safety.
Thank
you.
V
I'm
Dale
polnott
I
own
260
and
260
King
Street
254
and
256
King
Street,
69
Wentworth
and
92
Hazel,
Street
I'm,
the
fourth
generation
of
charlestonian
that
has
run
this
property.
We
have
a
mix
of
residential
and
Retail
I
am
very
concerned
about
deliveries
which
has
already
been
brought
up,
because
many
storefronts
do
not
have
a
backdoor
access,
so
there
is
no
alternative
to
a
delivery
truck.
V
The
second
is
horse-drawn
carriages.
Those
turn
left
on
Hazel
Street
and
on
King
Street
and
we'll
back
up
and
interfere
not
only
with
trucks
but
pedestrians
and
will
seriously
back
up
the
one
lane
on
King.
Street
I
also
feel
that
the
survey
does
not
a
I
was
not
given
any
notice.
So
I
didn't
know
anything
about
this.
Only
12
percent
of
the
property
owners,
weren't
part
of
the
survey
and
62
percent
of
the
respondents,
said
that
pedestrian
safety
was
the
most
important
thing,
not
a
bike
lane.
V
W
Thank
you
I'm
here
as
a
resident
of
the
peninsula,
a
third
generation
business
owner
on
King
Street,
a
citizen
that
rides
her
bike
everywhere,
all
over
town
and
to
be
clear.
I,
do
not
represent
a
group
of
any
kind
as
I
stand
before
you,
I've
spent
the
bulk
of
my
life
working
on
King,
Street
and
I.
Thank
each
and
every
one
of
you
for
taking
the
time
to
serve.
It's
thankless
and
I
know
these
meetings
drown
on
it's
an
important
job
and
I'm
grateful
to
all
of
you.
W
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
how
lucky
we
are
to
live
and
work
in
this
beautiful
city
on
wonderful
King
Street.
As
my
mother
called
it.
It
truly
is
wonderful,
it's
so
wonderful
that
on
Friday,
possibly
the
most
sweltering
day
in
August.
Thus
far,
we
had
30
000
pedestrians
counted
by
the
counter
on
King
Street,
30
000..
We
had
2500
cars
and
we
had
140
bikes,
so
we're
comprised
of
the
most
wonderful
mix
of
local
and
National
brands
that
are
Thanksgiving,
Cod,
thriving.
X
W
Was
about
pedestrians
and
if
I
only
cared
about
getting
Shoppers
to
King
Street
I'd
say
keep
the
two
lanes
open
for
cars.
Let
everybody
Slug
It
Out!
Don't.
W
Y
Most
of
my
concerns
have
been
addressed,
but
the
one
point
I
did
want
to
make
is
I,
Met,
m
Dumas
and
Sons
at
294,
King
Street,
and
at
that
corner
between
King,
Street
and
Society.
We
see
multiple
times
a
day.
Y
Almost
car
accidents
happening
already
without
bikes,
coming
up
from
behind
a
car
that
they
would
miss,
and
it's
it's
always
been
about
a
car
turning
into
pedestrians,
and
now,
if
you
add
a
bike
to
that,
that
really
concerns
me
as
well
and
I
feel
like
there's
a
great
idea
to
have
a
bike
lane
I,
just
don't
think
King
Street
is
the
right
place
for
it.
I
feel
like
a
a
street.
That's
a
little
less
active
could
handle
it
much
better
and
give
the
safety
to
the
by
bicyclists
that
need
it.
Thank
you.
Z
Hello,
mayor
council,
thanks
for
your
time
tonight,
I'm
here
in
opposition
of
the
bike
laying
on
King
Street
as
well
I
own
the
building
at
313
and
the
business
at
313.
and
I
feel,
like
most
of
the
concerns,
have
been
voiced.
It's
a
lot
bigger
than
that
I
think
you
just
have
to
come.
Like
Rhett
said
and
take
a
look
at
the
street.
Z
AA
AA
up
until
the
May
election.
We
are
starting
today
in
full,
false
in
a
peaceful
manner
for
the
purpose
of
influence.
The
outcome
of
the
coming
mayor
election.
There's,
no
doubt
in
our
mind
of
what
we
can
do
to
get
what
we
want.
You
may
ask:
what
do
you
want
all
one?
We
want
a
permanent
place
on
the
peninsula
for
all
people,
but
a
special
place
for
those
who
have
been
paying
the
taxes
for
the
last
80
or
more
years,
a
permanent
place
here
on
the
peninsula.
AA
AA
AB
Good
evening,
it's
good
to
see
you
I
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
help
with
the
design
of
a
very
important
quarter.
We
all
care
about
King
Street
enormously.
It
is
the
backbone
of
our
Peninsula
I'm,
also
a
member
of
circular
Congregational
Church,
and
in
that
regard,
I'm
here
to
represent
Jeremy
Rutledge,
who
wrote
a
letter,
a
very
eloquent
letter
about
the
need
for
a
buffered
bike
lane
respectfully
I
would
also
argue
for
that.
I
think
that
we
do
need
to
improve
the
general
circulation
as
much
as
we
can
encourage
bike
traffic
in
town.
AB
AC
AC
If
you're
going
to
cut
it
from
two
lanes
to
one
lane
and
the
police
can't
Patrol
two
lanes
how
they
gonna
Patrol
one
lane,
what
happens
if
a
fire
engine
or
an
EMS
has
to
get
bought
and
there's
no
police
around
I'm,
a
big
big
fan
of
supporter
of
Chief
Walker,
but
he
can't
snap
his
fingers
and
create
more
policemen.
It's
been
this
way
for
about
five
years
that
the
police
department
has
been
on
ten
percent,
understaffed
to
the
454,
fully
staffed
number
and
that's
artificially
low.
We
all
know
that
should
be
600
to
700..
AC
I
sent
an
email
on
July
26
to
Councilman
Greg
to
councilman,
shade
and
councilman
seekings,
asking
seekings,
especially
how
can
you
be
for
one
lane
of
traffic
on
King
Street
when
the
police
can't
can't
Patrol
two
lanes?
No
reply!
So
I,
don't
know
why
nobody's
talking
about
this,
but
it
needs
to
be
addressed.
You
can't
go
to
one
lane.
Number
two
also
are
the
bicycle
riding
on
the
sidewalks:
it
is
out
of
control.
AD
AD
There
I
eat
there,
I
buy
graduation
and
wedding
gifts
at
krogan's,
I
bicycle
there,
I
walk
there
and
I
share
I
I
recognize
the
chaos
that
is
there,
but
I
also
know
that
data
Nationwide
shows
time
and
again
that
corridors
that
are
bicycle
and
pedestrian
friendly,
actually
become
more
economically
vibrant
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
with
these
dot
recommended
enhancements
to
do
something
that
makes
a
problematic
Street
safer,
not
just
for
pedestrians,
but
all
users.
It
enhances
economic
viability
and
environmental
sustainability.
AD
AE
Good
evening
Council,
my
name
is
Casey
Conrad
I'm,
a
GIS
Analyst
at
the
city,
but
I'm
here
tonight,
as
a
geographically
informed
citizen,
I
think
that
a
lot
of
the
concerns
over
the
bike
lane
are
for
safety
and
congestion
and
I
think.
The
question
we
need
to
be
asking
is:
why
is
there
congestion
on
King
Street
if
you're
in
a
car,
King
Street
is
the
worst
way
to
get
anywhere,
not
on
King
Street?
AE
If
you're
going
to
Broad
Street
meeting
is
way
more
efficient
if
you're
going
to
Queen
it's
a
one-way,
so
you
have
to
take
meeting
if
you're
going
to
Market
90
of
it
is
east
of
meeting.
If
you're
going
to
Hazel
meeting
will
get
you
to
Harris,
Teeter
or
or
anything
west
of
that,
if
you're
going
to
Wentworth,
it's
also
a
one-way.
AE
You
see
where
I'm
going
with
this.
The
exception
is
society.
Street
goes
the
other
direction.
We
should
be
prioritizing
vehicles
on
Meeting
Street
because
it
was
built
for
vehicles.
That's
why
the
fire
station
is
on
Meeting
Street
and
not
King
Street.
We
need
to
make
Meeting
Street
easier
to
drive
on
make
it
easier
for
westbound
traffic
to
cross
King,
Street
and
I
think
we
should
close
turning
on
King
Street
during
business
hours
up
until
Broad
Street.
This
would
dramatically
reduce
congestion.
AE
AF
Yet
the
proposed
design
is
the
street
equivalent
of
the
Ports
Authority
plan
for
Union
Pier
King
Street
between
Calhoun
and
Broad
ranges.
It's
34
feet
at
Calhoun
Street.
That
right
away
is
34
feet
it
broad
it's
30.
around
Charleston
Place,
it's
55.,
so
this
kind
of
one
size,
fits-all
approach
is
not
worthy
of
King.
Street
I
think
we
need
a
more
sophisticated
approach.
AF
AG
Zach
Cassidy
59,
Cyprus
I'm,
an
educator
by
trade,
and
so
when
I
thought
about
this,
I
really
thought
about
my
own
experiences.
Both
sides
are
talking
about
the
chaos
and
so
I
thought
of
this
is
a
test
and
when
Susie,
two
shoes
or
Little
Mikey
is
the
only
individual
in
the
class
who
fails
the
test.
You
blame
that
individual.
You
say
why
are
you
riding
your
bike
on
the
sidewalks
or
why
are
you
driving
unsafely,
but
when
this
is
a
systematic
issue
in
50,
60
70
of
people
are
failing.
AG
This
test
and
business
owners
are
saying:
bicyclists
are
riding
on
sidewalks
and
bicycle
Riders
are
saying
cars
are
driving
too
fast.
This
is
a
systemic
issue
that
the
city
must
solve
and
solve
for
everybody.
This
is
not
going
to
be
solved
by
one
common
Lane
that
we
are
all
being
smushed
into.
This
is
going
to
be
solved
by
the
city,
setting
up
an
environment
that
is
conducive
to
pedestrians,
to
cyclists
and
to
cars.
AG
AH
Good
evening,
mayor
council
members,
Don
Sparks,
1891,
King
Street
excuse
me
Smith
Street,
King
Street
on
the
mine
this
evening.
Pardon
me
I
want
to
expand
the
conversation
just
a
bit,
my
less
than
a
minute
and
a
half
I'm
looking
over
here
at
the
portrait
of
Joe
Riley
and
about
40
years
ago,
mayor
Riley
had
a
vision
for
Downtown
Charleston
Mr
heckenberg
was
part
of
that
worked
on
part
of
that
Vision
as
many
as
you,
many
of
you
as
well,
did
and
made
this
city
what
it
is
today.
AH
It
was
the
first
chapter
I
think
it's
a
new
chapter
coming
up.
I
remember
when
mayor
Riley
was
proposing
all
his
ideas.
I
was
a
staffer
young
staffer
for
Prince
Hollings.
A
lot
of
people
thought
Joe
Raleigh
was
you
know
this
this
kind
of
some
crazy
ideas.
Here,
it's
like
it's
like
Don
Quixote.
You
know
people
aren't
going
to
towns
anymore
cities,
it's
just
a
place
to
park.
They
should
go
out
to
the
suburbs,
the
shopping
malls
plenty
of
parking,
but
the
big
Citadel
Mall.
Lately
it
didn't
work
too.
AH
Well,
if
you've
been
downtown
on
Sunday,
did
you
see
all
the
people
downtown
on
Sunday?
Where
did
they
Park
Second
Sunday
we're
fixating
this
parking?
Why
don't
we
close
King
Street
to
cars
between
Calhoun
and
further
south
Liberty
or
debt
further
south,
and
that
takes
vision
and
courage
that
mayor
Raleigh
showed
us
40
years
ago?
I
urge
city,
council
and
mayor
take
the
courage
today
to
do
something
similar,
and
this
is
just
one
part
of
the
bigger
piece
of
mobility
in
Charleston.
It's
not
just
King
Street,
it's
getting
people
out
of
their
cars.
C
AH
AI
I'm
not
just
here
to
talk
about
the
King
Street
Bike
Lane,
but
also
the
Charleston
climate
action
plan.
When
we
designed
it,
we
set
the
goal
of
56
percent
emission
reductions
by
2030,
because
we
knew
that's
where
the
climate
crisis
demanded
as
us
maximizing
our
response
as
a
climate,
vulnerable
City
to
show
leadership
in
the
southeast.
That
means,
as
soon
as
feasibly
possible
an
interconnected
bike.
Lane
network
from
the
battery
all
the
way
up
to
the
neck.
AI
Rapid
transit
buses
going
north
east
and
west
fairies
connecting
with
our
Islands
and
I,
can
go
on,
and
that's
just
Transportation.
That's
not
even
mentioning
the
work
to
do
on
buildings,
our
Waste
Systems,
our
nature,
preservation,
our
energy
sourcing
and
considering
that
we
have
such
an
extensive
to-do
list,
I
see
the
council.
Please
do
not
look
a
gift
bike
lane
in
the
mouth.
This
was
federally
funded,
designed
by
scdot
and
available
for
the
thumbs
up
over
11
months
ago.
AI
At
this
point-
and
there
are
public
comment
periods-
we
went
through
a
whole
process
to
get
to
the
point
of
having
the
biplane
option
and
people
are
getting
injured
and
we've
discussed
how
crazy
King
Street
is
right.
Now
we're
looking
at
through
the
lens
of
what's
happening
right
now,
because
for
11
months
we
have
left
this
on
the
table.
AI
AJ
Good
evening
just
want
to
follow
up
on
what
Mr
olasoff
just
said.
You
know
I,
believe
that
we
have
the
knowledge
of
what
we
need
to
do.
We
know
what
the
evidence
says.
We
know
that
establishing
a
bike
lane
on
King
Street
would
move
us
towards
some
of
the
city's
stated
goals.
Stated
goals
of
the
former
Department
of
my
Employments.
The
preservation
and
sustainability.
AJ
Cycling
is
an
equitable
form
of
transportation.
I
know
that
is
one
of
our
priorities.
It
is
also
one
that
would
result
in
few
emissions
that
would
improve
our
air
quality
and
it
has
been
shown
in
quite
a
few
studies
which
I
have
reviewed
to
that
it
does
not
have
any
negative
effects
on
business.
Revenue
I
know
that
has
been
a
concern.
That's
been
expressed
this
evening.
That
is
the
only
con
that
I
have
heard.
However,
I
do
not
think
that
will
come
to
pass.
AJ
Yet
there
are
many
Pros
I
believe
there
is
significant
latent
demand
for
bike
commuting
on
the
peninsula.
We
know
this
from
survey
side
in
the
people
pedal
plan
plan,
West
Ashley,
as
well
as
the
plan,
the
survey
done
for
rethink
Folly
roads.
We
have
the
evidence
that
a
lot
of
our
citizens
would
commute
with
bikes
if
they
had
the
option.
Many
are
already
doing
so.
However,
they're
doing
it
unsafely
I
think
we
need
to
provide
that
safe
option
for
them,
and
so
I
would
just
like
to.
C
AK
Good
evening,
good
evening,
Council,
my
name
is
Rowan
Emerson
47
Ash
Street
today,
I'll
be
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
King
Street
Bike.
We've
heard
over
the
last
few
weeks,
time
and
time
again
the
resounding
support
for
the
King
Street
Bike
land
from
your
diverse
constituency,
while
scdot
has
been
diplomatic
with
the
city
by
necessity.
AK
One
thing
that
I
would
like
them
to
be
very
forthcoming
about
is
their
position
on
which
of
these
two
plans,
the
14-foot
wide
lane
or
the
one,
including
the
bike
lane
that
they
see
as
being
safer
at
the
last
TNT
meeting,
we
heard
that
they
are
quote
not
comparing
alternatives
to
each
other
per
se,
but
this
is
the
question
which
is
Paramount.
It's
Paramount
to
council
and
it's
Paramount
to
the
people
of
Charleston
I.
Think
it's
also
important
to
note
how
much
the
public
has
been
voicing
their
opinion.
AK
I
really
already
felt
sorry
for
y'all
last
council
meeting
when
I
heard
that
you
all
received
around
4
000
emails
in
your
inbox
just
about
the
King
Street
Bike
Lane,
and
despite
the
commitment
to
public
engagement
at
the
last
TNT
meeting,
20
of
20
public
comments
were
in
support
of
the
bike
lane
41
of
42
online
comments
were
in
support
of
the
bike
lane.
AK
It
is
clear
that
there
is
a
ideology
from
the
public
that
they
want
this
bike
lane,
especially
considering
that
King
Street
is
the
third
most
dangerous
Street
in
the
state
and
South
Carolina
is
the
second
most
dangerous
state
in
2020
for
pedestrians,
but
according
to
the
national
highway
traffic
safety
administration.
So,
while
we're
fighting
for
this
bike
lane
month
after
month,
it
is
to
hold
it
up
to
defer
this
continually
ease
backwards
and
perverse
I
really
urge
Council
to
pass
an
amendment
on
this
proposed
plan.
AK
AL
Hi,
my
name
is
Caroline
I
live
on
23
Ashton
Street.
We
have
heard
quite
a
bit
about
the
opposition,
the
opposition
supposedly
being
a
handful
of
King
Street
business
owners,
but
we
have
yet
to
hear
from
them.
Until
tonight
we
residents
bike
riders,
Equitable,
Transportation,
Advocates
and
climate
activists
have
organized
brought
data.
AL
Time
and
time
again
to
publicly
and
directly
respond
to
this
opposition.
However,
we
have
not
really
been
met
with
the
same
reciprocity
when
I
asked
what
businesses
and
hopes
to
have
a
conversation
about
specific
oppositional
concerns
constituted
the
King
Street
Business
Association
that
was
referenced
alongside
the
College
of
Charleston.
AL
In
last
week's
TNT
meeting
I
was
met
with
I,
don't
know
the
sole
quotable
public
comment
from
the
opposition
came
from
krogan's
Jewel
box
and
the
posting
Courier
one
lane
of
traffic
eases
up
enough
room
for
everybody,
but
a
dedicated
bike
lane
that
would
encourage
cycling
as
a
mode
of
transportation.
I,
don't
think
it's
safe,
I'm,
really
having
trouble
understanding
the
rationale
behind
this
business
owner's
statement
and
the
ones
that
I've
heard
tonight
of
how
having
a
dedicated
bike
lane
is
more
unsafe
than
not
having
a
bike
lane.
C
AM
Thanks
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
again
just
a
couple
of
quick
points,
I
promise,
I
won't
even
use
up
all
my
time
today.
King
Street
is
a
magnet
for
cyclists
and
I.
Think
they're
going
to
use
King
Street,
even
if
you
put
in
some
great
infrastructure
on
St
Phillips.
So
that's
something
to
keep
in
mind.
I
want
to
make
it
safe
for
those
people
who
use
it.
AM
The
the
goal
of
this
project
is
to
make
Charleston
streets
safer
and
Common
Sense,
and
numerous
studies
tell
us
that
biplanes
make
streets
safer
for
cyclists
and
pedestrians
by
the
way
is
there
a
study
which
shows
that
it's
safer
for
bicycles
and
motor
motor
vehicles
to
share
a
single
Lane
on
King
Street?
AM
If
so,
I
would
invite
someone
to
present
that
information
so
that
we
can
have
a
discussion
have
a
debate
regarding
the
merits
to
that
study.
I
just
want
to
comment
on
one
thing
that
confused
me
last
week,
too,
I
was
confused
and
inferred
that
city
council
could
approve
the
proposal
as
it
currently
stands,
without
a
bike
lane
and
that
at
a
later
date
a
bike
lane
could
be
added,
but
there
was
an
article
in
the
Post
and
Courier
which
quoted
in
scdot
spokesman,
who
says
the
opposite.
AM
Last
year,
scdot
presented
a
proposal,
including
a
bike
street.
Choose
excuse
me
a
king
street
bike
lane,
unless
someone
presents
a
good
reason
to
eliminate
the
bike
lane
about
asset
city
council
approve
that
plan.
Thank
you.
AN
Hi
I'm
Katie,
Zimmerman,
executive
director
of
Charleston
moves
and
folks
have
basically
said
everything
that
I
plan
to
say
tonight.
So
I'll
just
reiterate
a
couple
of
things
you
all
have
already
heard
from
me
repeatedly
about
this,
but
one
is
when
the
mayor
signs
the
agreement,
a
concept
will
be
attached
to
it
that
won't
be
changed
later,
so,
whatever
you
all
decide
upon
tonight
that
that
moves
forward
right,
it's
not
changing
the
purpose
of
this
agreement
is
so
that
D.O.T
doesn't
have
to
keep
coming
back
to
you
all
they
can
actually
get
to
work.
AN
The
other
thing
is
we.
We
know
at
this
point
overwhelmingly
and
from
data
a
14-foot
Lane
on
King
Street
is
not
only
unsafe,
but
it
would
be
unprecedented
in
a
in
a
negative
way.
A
bike
lane
on
King
is
a
wonderful
compromise,
there's
a
lot
of
even
better
things
that
could
happen
for
King.
At
this
point,
the
bike
lane
is
a
great
compromise.
AN
You've
got
parking,
kept
increased,
increased
loading
zones,
you've
got
a
lane
of
travel,
that's
going
to
be
wider
than
the
existing
Lanes
of
travel
are
now
and
you've
got
a
buffered
bike
lane
and
we
also
know
bike
infrastructure
inherently
makes
it
safer
for
pedestrians.
So
this
is
a
great
compromise.
You
have
one
in
front
of
you
from
Dot
from
a
year
ago,
it's
perfect
and
again,
as
has
been
stated
time
and
time
again,
the
majority
of
the
public
who
keeps
showing
up
for
every
opportunity
and
keeps
reaching
out
to
you
supports
the
bike.
AN
Lane
option
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
and
finally,
I
would
apply
for
that
public
count.
Data
that
one
of
the
business
owners
had
I
would
love
for
that
to
be
public
I'm
very
interested
in
that
it
would
add,
really
well
to
the
Council
of
governments,
data
that
they've
already
been
collecting
for
years.
Thank
you.
AO
AO
I
had
two
people
going
faster
than
45
miles
an
hour
faster
than
what
would
register
off
the
charts.
Yet
nothing's
been
done,
I
presented
the
law
to
you
and
basically
built
a
a
complete
case
with
rules
and
everything
to
go
along
with
analysis.
But
yet,
once
again,
I
was
told
nah
we're
not
going
to
do
that.
We're
going
to
call
a
road
open
because
there's
a
walking
easement,
even
though
a
road
is
defined
as
a
path
for
automobiles.
So
you
cannot
have
a
walking
easement
through
a
road.
AO
An
easement
has
to
be
the
same
thing
as
we
wanted
before
didn't
even
address
the
other
road
that
was
closed.
They're,
like
wow
I,
got
no
proof
of
that
one.
So
what
are
we
going
to
do
we're
just
going
to
forget
about
it
so
once
again,
close
roads,
don't
understand
why
you
forgot
about
an
old
man,
my
father,
you
forgot
about
a
veteran
me
and
the
three
other
neighbors
that
I've
got.
AO
AP
We
it's
not
just
the
business
owners
who
are
stakeholders,
we
are
all
stakeholders
of
safety
and
you
all
are
stewards
of
safety.
The
issue
here
is
clarity
and
what
I
found
over
my
30
years
of
of
handling
a
catastrophic
injury
cases
at
roadway
case,
whether
it
be
pedestrian
cars
bicycles,
is
Clarity.
Improves
safety
ambiguity
takes
away
from
safety.
You
can.
We
all
agree
that
there's
14
foot
space
needs
to
be
man
this
this.
This
Lane
needs
to
be
narrowed,
either
through
a
buffer
or
a
bike
lane.
AP
Now,
if
you
have
a
bucket
buffer,
you
may
have
bicycles
and
pedestrians
trying
to
share
that
little
buffer
land.
We
on
the
Ravenel
Bridge
there's
a
lane
to
keep
pedestrians.
That's
Clary
pedestrians
and
cyclists
apart
the
issues
with
the
there's,
no
commercial
interest,
that's
greater
than
the
human
cost
than
human
interest
and
human
interest
of
safety.
In
our
community
I
commend
you
all
for
the
great
work
that
you
all
have
done
coming
behind
our
great
mayor
Riley.
To
make
this
a
diverse,
great
Community
and
I.
Just
hope
that
you
approve
the.
T
AQ
Study
after
study
prove
that
when
bicycling
is
safe,
convenient
and
accessible,
more
individuals
will
choose
it
as
their
mode
of
transportation
and
for
recreation.
Communities
that
have
bicycle
infrastructure
have
outsized
economic
benefits
by
attracting
residents
and
tourists
alike
to
their
business
districts.
We
should
be
moving
forward
and
not
backwards.
Our
neighbors
in
Colombia
are
doing
so.
Like
many
other
modernizing
communities.
The
city
of
Columbia
is
investing
in
the
conversion
of
their
South
Main
Street
right
now
from
five
traffic
Lanes
to
two
expanding,
its
sidewalks,
adding
trees
and
yes,
adding
a
dedicated
bike.
AR
You
and
thank
you
all
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
us
again.
If
one
ask
would
be
Joe,
McGee,
Magazine,
Street
about
a
block
and
a
half
in
Keene,
so
a
pedestrian
or
motor
Santa,
cyclist
we'd
appreciate
some
clarity
around
the
procedural
question
of
Katie
Ray.
Someone
else
raised.
Does
this
resolution
is
it
non?
Is
it
binding
with
the
design,
is
a
binding
with
with
South
Carolina
Department
of
Transportation?
So
where
is
there
a
chance
to
amend
that?
We
appreciate
that
Clarity
I,
don't
think
it's
just
about
bikes.
AR
The
bikes
are
already
on
King
Street.
The
bikes
will
remain
on
King
Street,
but
what
we're
looking
for
is
a
safe
way
for
bikes
and
pedestrians
and
motorists
to
exist
on
King
Street,
and
we
know
that
that's
not
the
case
today.
The
resolution
that's
on
your
table
now
is
a
worse
solution.
It
crawls
for
a
wider
Street,
and
we
know
that
that
will
only
induce
greater
speeds.
It
will
make
King
Street
more
dangerous,
so
the
resolution
I
I
would
urge
you
to
amend
the
resolution.
AR
That's
in
front
of
you
revert
to
the
original
scdot
resolution
or,
or
you
know,
proposal
which
allowed
for
bike
lane
that
allows
for
a
buffer
for
pedestrians
on
the
street
as
well
is
equal
in
terms
of
delivery.
Space
and
parking
space
for
cars
in
the
street
I
think
it
can
work.
I
also
think
this
is
a
major
step
for
the
City
of
Charleston,
as
we
move
to
a
friendlier
Kinder
way
of
getting
around
town.
Thank
you.
AS
Hi
I'm
Megan
Lord
601
Meeting
Street.
Thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time
to
hear
the
Public's
thoughts
on
the
scdot
project.
I'm,
a
College
of
Charleston
student
living
in
on
the
peninsula
and
I
ride
my
bike
to
class
and
work
every
single
day,
I,
along
with
many
other
young
people
in
this
city,
don't
have
a
car.
Without
my
bike,
I
would
have
to
walk
an
hour
to
class
and
work
every
day.
AS
I
know
many
students
who
do
walk
an
hour
to
class
every
day,
because
they're
afraid
of
how
unsafe
biking
in
this
city
can
be
I
disagree
with
the
College
administration's
statement
opposing
the
King
Street
Bike
Lane.
Their
letters
were
not
shared
with
students
and
are
a
misrepresentation
of
the
opinion
of
many
students
who
move
around
downtown
daily.
AS
AS
C
If
not
we'll
go
to
the
comments
that
we
received,
this
is
just
a
summary.
All
of
the
comments
in
full
were
distributed
to
council
for
their
review
before
the
meeting
reporting
on
comments
received
online.
We're
supportive
of
a
bike
lane
on
King
Street,
including
a
comment
from
the
circular
Congregational
Church
Council,
and
a
comment
submitted
jointly
by
the
coastal
conservation
league
in
historic,
Charleston,
Foundation
I.
Believe
we
had
several
speakers
who
also
submitted
comments.
One
comment
received
online
was
supportive
of
bike
Lanes
on
every
street.
C
One
comment
received
online
was
concerned
about
criminal
acts
and
law
enforcement
in
relation
to
meta
and
also
thanked
everyone
who
coordinated
the
peer
lending
program
held
at
the
Citadel.
One
comment
provided
by
email
was
opposed
to
the
bike
lane
on
King
Street
and
one
letter
from
Charleston
downtown
Alliance
asked
Council
to
defer
any
decision
on
King
Street
safety
improvements
and
those
were
all
the
comments
we
received.
B
AT
Hello,
my
name
is
Tori
Sanders
I'm,
a
resident
of
ansonborough
and
they
mom
to
a
membinger
student.
So
I
have
tried
recently
to
by
commute
with
my
six-year-old
from
Lawrence
Street
to
meminger.
It
is
a
harrowing
and
stressful
Journey,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
my
daughter
could
experience
the
joy
of
safely
biking
to
school
via
King
Street,
it's
the
natural
route
that
we
could
take
and
I
implore
our
elected
officials
to
take
advantage
of
this
valuable
opportunity
that
the
Department
of
Transportation
has
given
us.
AT
Finally,
those
opposed
to
the
bike
lane
have
really
cited
no
data
and
have
relied
only
on
sentiment
and
feelings
and
I
yeah
further
employ
our
elected
officials
to
not
be
swayed
by
those
feelings
and
instead
rely
on
the
data
that
we
have
at
hand.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
very
much
anybody
else.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
this
evening
and
sharing
your
thoughts
and
comments.
It's
it's.
It's
really
a
great
thing
that
our
citizens
are
so
passionate
really
about
our
city
and
how
we
get
around
and
how
King
Street
works.
So
thank
you
all.
So
we're
going
to
come
back
to
that
topic.
When
we
get
to
our
committee
report
on
traffic
and
transportation,
the
folks
that
came
here
to
talk
about
the
bike
lane,
so
it
might
be
a
little
while,
but
please
stick
around
if
you
like.
B
So
next
up
is
our
petitions
and
Communications.
We
have
appointment
to
the
Accommodations
Tax
advisory
committee
and
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
Mr
appropriate
neck
Nikki.
Any
questions
councilmember
Parker.
AU
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
just
quickly
are
these
revolving
appointments,
Mr
Mayor,
gentlemen?
Does
every
council
member
get
an
appointment?
How
do
a
tax
appointments,
work.
B
So
we
could
pull
up
the
ordinance
for
you
there.
It's
prescribed
in
the
ordinance
I,
don't
have
it
on
the
top
of
my
head,
but
they
they
are
for
set
terms.
I
know,
there's
a
council
member
or
two
that
are
on
it.
Council,
member
Gregory,
you
chair
the
committee
correct.
Maybe
you
could
answer
the
question
better
than
I.
Can.
I
AV
If
I'm
not
mistakening
correctly,
if
I'm
wrong
those
appointments
come
from
the
executive
branch
it,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
council
members
don't
have
the
ability
to
make
recommendations
for
appointments
to
the
mayor
right,
the
folks
that
are
on
there
now
there
is
a
revolving
new
people
come
on
and
off
and
when
there's
a
term
yes
I
mean
come
on
and
on
and
again
all
of
us
have
an
opportunity
to
recommend
not
just
for
accommodations
but
for
any
of
the
Committees
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
start
taking
advantage
of
that
if
there
are
specific
people
that
we
have
in
mind
that
want
to
serve
so.
AU
B
Yes,
it
did
okay,
thank
you.
It
was
a
Hospitality
position,
so
I
think
there
are
a
couple
of
there's
a
mix
Peg
spaces
on
the
committee
for
for
certain
occupations,
this
Hospitality
Joe
Works,
with
one
of
our
hotelias
hoteliers
in
town
and
one
of
the
other
committee
members
rolled
off
all
right.
Any
other
questions.
Let
me
know
if
you
got
anybody,
you
want
to
recommend
any
time.
Okay,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
any
opposey
eyes
have
it.
Next
we
have
two
new
appointments
to
our
citizens:
police,
advisory,
Council,
move.
N
B
Approval
these
came
from
the
council
members
of
District
2
and
10.
all
right.
Okay,
any
discussion
questions
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
the
odds
have
it
and
next
two
reappointments
to
the
City
of
Charleston
Housing
Authority
any
comments
or
questions
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed.
Next,
we
have
an
update
on
that.
We
asked
for
collectively
at
our
last
city
council
meeting
from
Mr
Dale
Morris
who's,
our
chief
resilience
officer
on
the
peninsula
perimeter
protection
project,
Dale.
AW
If
you
pull
up
my
presentation,
talk
to
you
about
the
coastal
storm
risk
management
project
or
the
3X3
or
the
seawall
project,
has
the
different
names
update
you
on
where
the
project
stands,
but
also
I'm,
going
to
take
this
moment
for
those
folks
who
are
new
to
city
council
or
new
to
this
issue,
to
run
through
some
to
run
very
quickly
through
some
key
things
that
have
occurred
in
the
past.
You
understand
the
total
context
of
this
project
and
give
you
a
refresher
on
this
I'll
move
through
this
quickly.
AW
AW
This
is
Citywide,
so
I
think
you
all
be
interested
in
this
I'm
going
to
give
you
my
takeaway
right
now
and
you
can
see
as
I
worked
in
the
story.
Why
I
make
these
recommendations
to
you?
We
need
an
elevated
Edge
on
Charleston
peninsula.
There
is
no
dot
in
my
mind
and
I
hope
that
you
will
see
after
my
presentation
night
that
that
is
that
that
is
true.
AW
It
won't
be
an
ugly
gray
wall.
It
will
not
be
an
ugly
gray
wall,
we
can
do
better
and
we
will
do
better
and
it
will
help
us
to
stay
here.
Can
I
have
a
the
clicker.
AW
So
I'm
going
to
start
with
this
refresher.
This
is
the
right
hand.
Image
here
is
the
ad
Circ
model
which
the
National
Weather
Service
and
NOAA,
and
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
and
others
used
to
predict
storm
surge.
This
is
a
very
sophisticated
well-used,
reliable
model.
This
is
24
hours
last
September
for
Hurricane.
He
had
made
landfall.
If
we
recall
hurricane
destroyed,
southwestern
Florida
with
storm
surge
came
across
the
Florida
Peninsula
entered
the
Atlantic
and
then
turned
again
towards
South,
Carolina
and
24
hours
before
landfall.
It
was
coming
right
at
Folly
Beach.
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This
is
what
we
got
at
8
AM
that
morning
from
my
friends
who
helped
run
this
model
tropical
storm,
so
hurricane
Ian
was
downgraded
to
a
tropical
storm
at
this
point,
so
it
wasn't
very
strong
anymore.
It
was
just
pushing
some
surge.
You
can
see
what
this
would
have
done.
This
is
a
very
reliable
model.
AW
This
was
a
tropical
storm,
not
a
hurricane,
and
yet
it
would
produce
the
second
highest
storm
surge
on
the
Charleston
Peninsula.
Ever
ten
foot,
seven
inch
Milo
water
flood.
So
this
is
our
future.
This
will
continue
to
occur
and
the
sea
levels
rise.
This
damage
could
get
worse
very
quickly.
The
all
hazards
and
vulnerability
study
of
was
done
in
between
2019
and
2021
concluded.
Storm
surge
is
the
highest
threat
to
the
City
of
Charleston
title
and
flood
by
inundation
and
rainfall.
Inundation
are
close
second,
so
it's
not
an
eater
or
Choice.
AW
It
is
not
that
we
can
do
drainage
or
title
management
and
not
surge
management.
We
have
to
do
both.
We
can
walk
and
chew
gum.
At
the
same
time,
here's
a
slide
that
I've
shown
you
before
for
people
want
to
catch
up.
Everything
on
the
Charleston
is
vulnerable
to
storm
surge
everything,
critical
facilities,
the
economy,
infrastructure,
businesses,
residences
property
taxes,
all
the
money
that
is
generated
on
this
peninsula.
That
funds
the
city
budget
is
in
danger.
AW
That's
dialogues
Charleston
made
a
number
of
recommendations.
Some
of
those
are
in
work
and
we're
delighted
with
that.
Multi-Benefit
approach
to
infrastructure
projects
is
absolutely
essential.
No
infrastructure
that
we
build
can
be
single
purpose
anymore
if
we
can
avoid
making
it
so
and
Peninsula
primer
protection
from
our
Dutch
friends
from
our
American
friends
who
helped
with
this.
It
is
absolutely
essential
to
save
the
dependence
of
Charleston
move
forward.
This
is
a
graph.
AW
This
is
a
timeline
of
what
we've
been
doing
with
the
feasibility
study,
the
three
by
three
by
three
three
years:
three
million
dollars
three
levels
levels
review:
this
is
not
the
city
of
Charleston's
process.
This
is
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
process.
The
study
kicked
off
in
April
of
2018.
We
had
attentively
selected
pan
plan
in
April.
2020
comments
came
in
suggestions
to
improve
it.
Those
were
taken
seriously
by
the
Army
Corps.
We
had
a
optimized
tend
to
be
selected
plan
a
little
over
a
year
later
we
made
some
realignment
changes.
AW
We
got
a
G
Street.
We
got
a
final
plan
that
you
all
agreed
that
the
mayor
could
send
a
letter
to
the
Army
Corporation
and
say:
yes,
let's
try
to
get
an
authorization
to
move
forward.
The
chief
of
Engineers
approved
this
report
in
June
of
2022
Congress
included
this
recommendation.
In
the
word
of
the
Water
Resources
development,
Act
of
2022,
that
was
passed
in
December
of
2022,
so
the
project
is
authorized
to
move
forward
and
there
was
an
appropriation
to
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
to
start
fund.
Their
portion
of
the
pet
agreement.
AW
Next
up
is
the
pet
agreement.
We
have
to
have
the
design
agreement
before
we
move
into
ped.
This
graphic
up
top
shows
you
the
four
key
components:
feasibility,
engineering
and
design,
construction
and
operation
to
maintenance.
We
have
only
completed
the
first
spot.
Engineering
and
design
has
not
been
completed,
has
not
even
started
because
it's
just
three
million
dollars
to
move
business
process,
there's
a
comment
that
we
actually
had
a
four
by
four
by
three.
It
wasn't
a
three
by
three
by
three.
That
is
absolutely
true.
AW
At
the
request
of
the
city
and
other
stakeholders,
we
completed
an
environmental
impact
statement,
analysis
that
delayed
the
project.
It
was
essential
that
we
did
it
this
morning.
We
did
it.
We
had
that
cost
a
little
more
than
a
million
dollars
to
do
so.
So
that
is
why
it
was
a
four
by
four
by
three,
not
a
three
by
three
but
those
at
city's
requests.
AW
This
is
the
project
you've
seen
this
I
won't
talk
about
this
Eight
Mile
storm
structure,
12
foot,
nadd,
elevation
height,
so
land
elevation,
that's
a
15,
15.1
needle
mean
low
low
water
height
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
later,
but
land
and
water
elevations.
The
alignment
is
all
in
public
property,
so
no
private
property
taking
nature-based
features.
10
pumps.
We'll
talk
about
that
later.
What
these
10
pumps
can
do
for
us,
1.3
billion
dollar
total
project,
the
feds
will
pay
65
percent.
We
would
pay
35
percent,
it
would
actually
pay
less
than
that.
AW
Our
net
cost
is
about
300
million
dollars
at
the
end
of
22
budget
at
the
end
of
2021
budget
estimation,
because
we
will
get
financial
credits
for
land
use
and
real
estate
that
we
will
make
available
to
the
projects
so
that'll
reduce
the
cost.
For
us,
the
federal
investment
in
this
project
is
845
million
dollars,
and
that
could
go
up.
If
and
when
we
need
that
extra
money.
We
would
have
to
ask
Congress
for
that,
but
that
is
something
that
is
there.
AW
This
project
has
a
10.8
to
1
benefit
cost
ratio;
the
highest
were
projects
of
its
kind
in
the
nation.
The
Army
Corps
wants
to
do
this.
We
want
to
do
this
right,
or
at
least
recommend
that
we
would
try
to
do
this
right
and
our
goal
is
to
use
this
money
to
to
design
and
engineer
a
proper
structure
for
the
City
of
Charleston.
These
are
just
images
you
have
seen
before.
AW
The
left
is
Hurricane
Hugo
conditions
in
2082,
so
that's
assuming
a
bit
of
sea
level
rise,
and
this
is
a
five-year
storm,
so
storm
that
would
occur
on
average
once
every
five
years.
This
is
what
it
would
do
to
the
peninsula
of
Charleston.
On
the
left-hand
side,
this
Charleston
is
very
wet.
On
the
right
hand,
side
with
the
structure
in
place
is
what
the
structure
would
do
to
protect
the
Charleston
peninsula.
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The
Virginia
instrument,
Marine
Sciences,
has
they
have
a
different
model.
They
ran
this
through
it.
They
calibrated
the
model
with
Hurricane
Hugo,
but
also
with
hurricane
Joaquin
and
Matthew
conditions.
The
left-hand
images
shows
the
impact
on
the
peninsula
without
the
structure,
the
right
hand
shows
it
with
the
structure
same
conclusion.
This
structure
will
help
protect
the
opinions
of
Charleston
here's
another
higher
level
tool
of
flood
adapter,
we're
in
a
we're
in
a
pilot
project.
With
this,
this
is
just
to
show
you
that
Thomas
alone
will
not
save
the
peninsula.
AW
C
double
rise
will
come
over
the
edge
of
the
peninsula
and
we
cannot
pump
the
Atlantic
Ocean,
so
we
need
an
edge
to
do
that.
You
can
see
what
happens
with
no
action
with
just
pumps
on
the
right
hand,
side
if
you
put
pumps
in
and
you
put
an
elevated
Edge
on
the
peninsula,
the
peninsula
is
safe
going
forward.
AW
So
there
are
a
lot
of
concerns
and
things
expressed
during
the
during
the
feasibility
phase.
What
can
we
do
to
make
this
better?
These
have
all
been
communicated.
The
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
regularly
repeatedly
these
right.
These
suggestions,
or
these
concerns
are
part
of
the
Chiefs
report,
they're
part
of
the
recommended
plan.
We
know
we
can
address
these
in
the
pet
phase
and
we
will
if
we
get
that
far
education
and
engagement
and
communication.
AW
There
is
a
three
by
three
by
three
citizens
advisory
committee.
Some
of
those
committee
members,
are
in
the
room
tonight
that
committee
has
met
28
times
since
May
of
2021.
The
last
meeting
was
just
last
month.
AW
All
these
are
recorded
they're
available
to
the
public
in
real
time
and
available
right
now
to
view
post
event,
the
committee
made
recommendations
in
2021
and
they
put
out
their
own
newsletter
in
2022.
I.
Advise
you
to
look
at
that.
The
city
has
its
own
resilience:
sustainability,
advisory
committee
I'm,
a
member
of
that
every
three
months.
It
meets
and
I
make
regular
updates
to
this
committee
about
where
we
are
with
this
project
and
what
we're
doing.
AW
There
have
been
three
special
workshops
for
City
Council
on
this
project
over
the
last
couple
of
years
in
January
2023,
once
the
the
core,
the
federal
the
Congress,
authorized,
the
project
to
move
forward.
I
sent
you
all
a
memo
explaining
you
what
we
were
going
to
do
and
what
opportunities
we
had
to
go
forward
and
I
I
communicated
very
clearly.
We
are
now
going
to
enter
the
design
negotiation
phase,
and
that
is
what
we
are
doing.
AW
We
are
being
very
intentional
and
careful
to
make
sure
the
design
agreement
allows
us
to
do
what
we
think
we
need
to
do
to
go
forward.
I
brief,
the
Planning
Commission
on
this
public
meeting
in
March
of
2023
I've,
given
briefings
on
this
project
to
Regional
local
and
national
conferences,
because
a
lot
of
people
were
watching
us
very
carefully.
Can
we
do
this
so
I?
Do
that
a
lot
the
national
academies
and
science,
engineering
and
medicine,
so
the
national
academies,
prestigious
Federal
organization
is
quite
interested
in
the
project
and
I
brief
them
on
it.
AW
I've,
given
a
regular
briefings
to
the
county
and
of
the
State
Office
of
resilience.
But,
more
importantly,
more
importantly,
I
have
made
myself
available
to
every
neighborhood
association
in
the
City
of
Charleston
through
business,
enabled
services
to
say.
I
will
come
to
you
at
your
request
and
speak
with
you
and
I
have
done
that
repeatedly
on
the
west
side
on
the
East
Side
in
West
Ashley
poolside,
while
the
members
of
the
neighborhood
association
were
drinking,
the
martinis
and
I
was
in
a
suit
briefing
them.
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Okay,
so
I'm
doing
this
seriously,
conscientiously
Daniel
Island
Wagner
Terrace
with
any
group
that
wants
me
to
talk
to
him.
I
come
and
talk
to
him
so
for
those
who
think
I'm
not
trying
to
communicate.
That
is
not
true.
I
only
have
so
many
hours
in
the
day
and
I
will
meet
with
any
one
of
you
at
any
moment.
If
you
have
questions
about
this
project,
one
final
thing:
this
little
blue
image
from
the
bottom.
We
have
just
scrambled
to
put
together
an
FAQ
on
this
project
in
a
story.
AW
Map
format
like
we
did
with
the
Seattle
Roy
strategy.
This
will
be
sent
to
you
tomorrow
and
you
can
share
it
with
your
constituents,
so
that'll
be
ready.
This
is
the
public
perception
that
got
during
the
tentative
expectant
plan
of
what
this
structure
could
look
like.
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This
was
a
drawing
an
image
made
by
our
own
City
design
division
to
be
very
clear
that
if
we
are
not
intentional
in
design
and
if
we
would
get
hit
by
a
hurricane
and
not
have
a
design
forward,
we
could
get
this.
So
let's
be
intentional.
This
was
meant
to
to
put
people
on
notice.
If
we're
not
careful
and
we're
not
intentional.
This
is
what
could
occur
yeah.
However,
if
you
do
a
couple
good
engineering
and
design
with
good
landscape
architecture
and
intention,
you
can
get
really
good
infrastructure.
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This
is
a
storm
surge
structure
on
the
North
Sea
that
protects
the
seed
of
government
of
the
Netherlands.
It's
a
Four
Mile
Long
storm
surge
structure,
combined
with
a
public,
Promenade
and
good
public
space.
Do
you
see
the
surge
wall
if
I?
If
you
look
at
it,
you
can
find
it.
Otherwise
you
don't
notice
it.
This
is
good
public
space.
This
can
be
done.
Here
is
another
storm
surge
structure
in
Hamburg,
Germany,
good
public
space,
protecting
this
key
economic
acid
in
Germany.
Can
you
see
the
surge
wall
you
cannot?
AW
It
is
there
that
it's
good
public
space
here
is
an
Army
Corps
project.
This
is
a
riverine
control,
River
and
flood
control
project
that
the
Army
Corps
has
done
two
of
them
one.
On
the
left
side.
This
is
single
purpose
infrastructure.
It
is
ugly
and
we
do
not
want
it.
Let's
be
very
clear,
but
on
the
right
hand,
side
is
a
riverine
flight
control
project
that
the
Army
Corps
also
did
with
some
intentional
diet,
design
that
protects
the
city
that
is
also
unobtrusive
and
quite
beautiful
in
some
ways.
AW
AW
Mitigation
project
on
the
right
here
is
a
bin.
Well,
these
These
are
mock-ups.
On
the
left
hand,
side
is
an
image
done
by
our
design
division
showing
a
bin
wall.
A
bin
wall
is
like
our
low
battery
bin
walls
are
perfectly
acceptable
to
to
manage
storm
surge
on
the
right
hand.
Side
city
of
Norfolk
is
two
years
ahead
of
the
City
of
Charleston
they're.
In
the
PED
phase.
They
don't
want
an
ugly
gray
wall,
either
in
their
downtown
area.
AW
On
the
left
side
of
this,
this
right
image
is
a
16
foot,
T
wall
that
is
unacceptable,
but
they're
working
through
a
Benoit
process
in
the
city
of
Norfolk
and
that's
the
the
top
sort
of
Right
image.
This
looks
like
our
battery.
This
can
be
done.
This
can
be
done
right
here
in
Charleston.
This
is
an
image
of
a
bin
wall
design.
This
image
was
developed
by
our
design
division.
The
binwell
was
under
the
walking
path.
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The
terrorist
steps
down
to
the
Ashley
River
right
there,
Marsh
Restoration
in
front
of
it,
so
improve
our
water
quality,
improve
our
environment,
good
access
to
the
Waterfront,
protecting
the
city.
These
are
things
that
can
be
done
within
the
City
of
Charleston.
There
is
a
distinguished
member
of
council
and
you're.
All
distinguished
there
is
a
distinguished
member
of
council
who
said
you
know
what
Dale
you
need
a
better
model.
How
do
you
what's
the
model
for
this
and
he
said
how
about
extend
the
battery?
AW
Well,
that's
a
great
model,
because
that's
what
we
want
to
do
this
battery
is
a
title
management
structure.
It
is
flood
protection
infrastructure
that
has
been
turned
into
other
purposes,
other
good
purposes,
but
it
only
protects
a
small
part
of
the
peninsula.
Can
we
extend
this
around
the
peninsula
I
think
we
can
we
won't
unless
we
try.
We
have
to
try
so
where
we
are
with
this
project.
AW
We
are
in
the
middle
of
design.
Negotiations
been
very
intentional
speaking
with
other
non-federal
sponsors
across
the
U.S.
What
did
they
do?
What
kind
of
troubles
are
they
having?
What
kind
of
opportunities
is
the
Army
providing
them?
How
do
you
do
this?
We
have
a
very
collaborative
relationship
with
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
and
they
are
coming
to
us.
They
are
moving
in
our
Direction
and
we're
moving
in
their
direction
to
make
sure
this
design
agreement
works,
you
will
all
be
presented
with
that.
AW
AW
It
says
for
who
does
what
in
ped,
because
they'll
do
some
things
and
we'll
do
some
things,
how
additional
issues
and
risks
can
be
considered
in
pad
how
additional
features
and
and
benefits
can
be
added
to
the
structure
in
ped
and
how
the
decision
making
occurs
in
pet.
We
are
working
on
this
design
agreement
right
now
for
ped.
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We
have
been
very
intentional
and
said
very
clearly.
We
want
to
hire
our
own
consultants
in
subject
matter
experts
to
be
our
representatives
in
ped
for
this
process
to
move
forward
and
we
will
review
and
help
set
the
final
alignment.
There
are
concerns
about
the
alignment
in
the
feasibility
study.
We
agree
with
them.
We
will
review
that.
We,
as
as
the
city
we
will
lead
that
effort
or
co-lead
that
effort
and
set
the
final
alignment.
We
will
review
and
improve
the
conceptual
design
of
this
project.
They
suggested
t-walls
and
combo
walls.
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We've
already
told
them
that
is
unacceptable,
except
maybe
a
Columbus
terminal,
because
that's
an
industrial
facility
and
maybe
the
port
only
wants
a
t
law
up
there,
but
in
the
rest
of
the
city,
our
city,
we
need
a
beautiful
structure.
What
it
looks
like
how
people
access
it,
what
the
view
sheds
provide
what
the
Aesthetics
are:
integration
with
streets
and
neighborhood
gate
locations
and
types?
How
do
we
do
all
this
in
additional
and
supporting
features,
including
natural
and
nature-based
features?
We
will
work
on
setting
the
interior
hydrology.
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This
is
for
empowerment
management
and
over
topping
management,
but
also
to
see
if
we
can
add
additional
flood
risk
infrastructure
to
this
project
for
rainfall,
management
and
drainage
and
sea
level
rise
adaptation.
This
is
possible
in
ped,
but
we
have
to
put
it
in
the
design
agreement
and
we
will
co-lead
the
Outreach
and
education,
because
the
Army
Corps
bless
their
hearts.
They
are
not
very
good
at
communicating.
Sometimes-
and
we
will
work
with
the
Army
Corps
to
establish
the
design
manual
that
it
establishes
exactly
how
and
when
the
structure
would
operate
so
moving
forward.
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I
want
to
spend
some
time
on
this
issue
with
datum
sea
level
rise,
high
levels
and
occurrence.
This
is
essential
for
you
all
to
understand.
In
my
opinion,
we
talk
about
land
elevation
and
we
use
the
term
navd
88
North
American,
vertical
vertical
datum,
88,
that
is
land
elevation.
This
structure
is
set
to
be
a
top
height
of
12
foot,
navd
88
land
elevation,
but
we
speak
in
terms
of
floods
in
water
elevation,
and
our
common
vernacular
here
is
mean
low,
low
water.
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So
between
nav-88
and
mean
Lola,
water
is
three
feet.
One
four
inches,
so
just
keep
that
in
mind
three
feet
and
a
little
bit
more
as
we
talk
about
named
a
little
water
and
navd
88.
This
is
essential
because
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
things
that
you
need
to
understand,
so
councilman
Parker
is
sort
of
smiling
at
me.
So
again,
three
feet:
that's
what
I
want
you
to
consider
another
fact:
the
lowest
part
of
the
peninsula
on
land
is
just
under
four
feet.
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So
that
is
why,
on
land
a
mean
little
water
flight
starts
to
take,
it
starts
to
come
over
the
peninsula.
Edge
at
seven
foot
mean
Out
of
Water.
That's
the
three
three
a
little
bit
more.
So
here
is
a
hundred
years
data
for
the
Charleston
tides.
This
is
the
minor,
tidal
flooding,
so
mean
Lola
water.
You
can
see
one
two
three,
five
events
free
or
for
quite
a
while
and
in
2010
most
recent
10
15
years.
Something
changed
right,
something
changed.
These
events
are
occurring
more
and
more
regularly.
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Keep
that
in
mind
this
acceleration
of
tidal
flooding
events
is
occurring
and
it's
occurring
with
a
moderate,
tidal
flood
events.
We've
had
12
7
foot,
7.5,
foot,
seven
and
a
half
foot
main
level
water
floods
through
early
August
of
this
year
on
average
we're
supposed
to
have
16,
we've
had
12
already
the
worst
part
of
this
tidal
flood
season
is
coming
at
us
in
August,
September
and
October.
We
are
probably
going
to
exceed
this
average.
It's
going
to
continue
to
rise
here
is
the
major
tidal
flood
level
at
eight
foot
mean
low
low
water.
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Seventy
percent
of
these
eight
foot
ties
have
occurred
since
2015.
we
had
two
in
the
first
half
of
the
year,
we've
had
two
in
July
and
early
August
before
we
are
going
to
exceed
this
all
day
by
the
end
of
this
year.
Why
is
this
occurring?
It's
occurring
because
the
sea
level
rise,
the
Charleston
Harbor
gauge.
It's
measured,
13
inches
of
sea
level
rise
in
the
last
hundred
years
to
protect
this
forward
with
current
emission
scenarios.
You
look
at
2050
here
and
you
just
follow
the
intermediate
emission
scenario
projection
by
NOAA.
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We
could
have
100
to
150
tidal
events
per
year
in
25
years.
Infrastructure
like
this
takes
a
long
time
to
build
the
longer
we
delay,
starting
on
it,
the
longer
we're
going
to
have
to
deal
with
these
kinds
of
floods.
If
we
choose
to
move
forward,
if
we
don't
choose
to
move
forward,
no
updated
this
information
in
March
of
2022
NASA,
USGS,
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
these
very
important
scientific
and
research
organizations
all
combined
on
this.
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They
said
sea
levels
will
rise
as
much
in
the
next
30
years
as
they
have
in
the
last
100.,
so
that's
14
to
18
inches
on
the
Gulf
Coast,
it's
10
to
14
inches
here.
The
State
Office
of
resilience
just
released
their
Statewide
resilience
plan
and
they
are
telling
Coastal
communities
in
Charleston
or
sorry
in
South
Carolina.
They
better
prepare
for
14
inches
to
6
14
to
16,
inches
of
sea
level
rise,
our
own
flooding
and
sea
level
rise
strategy
just
updated
earlier.
This
year
assumes
14
inches.
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So
now,
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
land
and
water
elevations,
and
what
this
looks
like
on
digital
elevation
Maps.
This
is
this
is
a
digital
elevation
map.
The
colors
in
Blue
on
the
land
are
water
depths.
The
index
is
up
on
the
right.
This
is
a
five
foot,
nav
88,
so
an
eight
foot
mean
low
low
water
flood
on
the
Charleston
peninsula.
AW
AW
AW
This
is
no.
This
was
last
November.
This
is
Nicole
November
2022,
so
Nicole
there's
its
track
on
the
right
wasn't
anywhere
near
us,
but
it
pushed
tides
in
and
it
did
this.
Let's
add
14
inches
of
sea
level
rise
to
this
by
2050..
This
area
becomes
unsustainable.
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AW
Here
is
seven
foot
any
V8.
These
are
occurring
once
this
is
10
foot
mean
of
the
water
occurring
once
a
decade.
This
will
occur
five
times
a
year
by
2050..
This
is
baked
in
this
is
coming
at
us.
I'm
gonna
run
through
some
quick
slides
here.
Here's
the
east
side,
where
the
Ravenel
Bridge
lands
on
the
Charleston
Peninsula.
This
is
the
current
digital
elevation
map,
so
mapping
using
just
very
good
models
from
the
Army
Corps
that
were
vetted
by
others,
showing
what
minor
a
major
title,
flooding
eight
foot
meal.
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What
it
looks
like
on
the
Charleston
Peninsula
on
the
east
side-
and
here
is
that
same
level,
looking
forward
with
a
one
and
a
half
foot
of
sea
level
rise,
so
the
water
is
coming
in.
You
take
your
storm
surge
event
because
we're
just
talking
about
tidal
flooding
this
those
previous
images
what's
going
to
occur
just
from
Tides
you
put
storm
surge
in
there.
This
is
the
current
50-year
storm
surge.
This
is
what
hurricane
you
go
did
to
the
east
side.
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Let's
add
one
and
a
half
foot
is
sea
level
rise
on
top
of
that
storm
surge.
The
storm
surge
is
now
pushing
and
it
may
start
to
cross
over
to
the
west
side
of
the
peninsula.
You
can
see
it
there
this
this
is
coming
at
us,
and
here
is
the
combined
flood
risk.
This
becomes
unsustainable.
If
we
do
nothing,
however,
with
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
project,
we
put
a
surge
structure
there
we
put
some
pumps
in.
We
do
some
other
shallow
subsurface
drainage.
The
area
becomes
or
maintains
sustainable.
AW
I
just
want
to
talk
about
the
East
Side.
Here
there
are
people
who
live
in
the
east
side
right
now,
who
will
not
recover
well
from
a
flood
nuisance.
Flooding
is
very
disruptive
for
low
and
flow
and
moderate
income
people
they
don't
recover.
Well,
this
area
needs
to
be
protected.
AW
Here
is
Brian
Lockwood,
so
the
southwest
corner
of
the
peninsula,
where
it
floods
first,
mostly
here's
the
current
eight
foot,
8.1
meter
water
flood,
there's
a
little
bit
of
problem
with
the
right
hand.
Side
of
this,
because
Trad
Street
South
abroad
does
not
flood
right
now
because
of
check
valves
that
Matt
Fountain
and
his
team
have
put
in.
However,
once
the
water
gets
to
the
point
where
it
starts
to
tip
over
the
edge
of
the
peninsula,
those
check
valves
no
longer
work.
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The
water's
just
coming
around
here's
one
and
a
half
foot
of
sea
level
rise
added
to
that.
So
more
and
more
flooding.
Look
at
the
Medical
District.
Look
at
some
of
these
very
important
places
to
adjust
to
the
east
of
Colonial,
Lake
and
Long.
Lake.
Here
is
the
storm
surge
event.
So
hurricane
you
go
happening
today.
Storm
surge
has
a
lot
of
wave
energy
for
it's
forcing
water
in,
because
wind
is
driving
it,
so
it
isn't
sort
of
soft
like
a
tide.
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There's
a
combine
flood
risk.
However,
if
we
try
to
move
into
the
pet
phase
with
the
Army
Corp
Engineers
put
a
low
battery
type
surge
structure
around
the
edge.
Add
some
additional
shallow
subsurface
drainage,
integrate
that
with
these
pumps
that
the
Army
corpsman
has
to
put
in
and
possibly
upsize
those
pumps
and
would
have
to
pay
for
the
marginal
cost
in
the
presale
that
upsized
now
we
can
stay
safely.
In
this
area,
it's
another
view
sort
of
the
Medical
District
Gatson
Green
West
Edge
area,
the
current
you
know
major
major
flood
right
now.
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This
is
what
it
looks
like
Haggard
and
Fishburn.
Let's
add
14
inches
the
sea
level
rise
to
this.
You
can't
get
to
the
Citadel
anymore
from
this
area.
This
is
coming
at
us.
Here's
the
eight
foot
flood
with
one
and
a
halfway
to
see
The
Horizon
on
top
of
it,
here's
your
50-year
storage
event
again.
This
is
unsustainable
and
unmanageable,
and
this
is
one
and
a
half
foot
of
sea
level
rise
on
top
of
that
storm
surge.
This
is
coming
at
us.
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The
Army
Corps
project
allows
us
to
help
to
manage
this.
To
sustain
the
peninsula.
We
have
design
goals
in
mind,
for
this
I
showed
you
them
they're.
Here
again,
we
will
help
set
the
alignment
to
improve
the
challenges
that
are
in
the
feasibility.
We
will
establish
the
conceptual
design
of
this
project.
What
it
looks
like
work
on
the
interior
hydrology.
How
do
we
add
additional
flood
risk
mitigation
benefits
for
tides
and
rainfall
into
the
structure?
We
will
co-lead
and
make
sure
the
public
is
aware
of
this.
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As
this
process
goes
along,
we
will
share
information
and
we
will
set
the
levels
at
which
this
structure
will
be
operated.
If
we
build
it
and
all
of
our
city-led
efforts
will
be
counted
as
part
of
our
cost
share,
so
we're
required
to
pay
35
percent
of
this,
for
both
the
construction
as
well
as
Design
This
effort
that
we
would
do
we
would
lead
would
be
credited
as
part
of
their
cost
share
where
I
close
I
want
to
talk
about
this
wonderful
opportunity.
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In
2020,
the
mayor
asked
and
Congress
authorized
for
a
title
and
Inland
study,
so
title
flooding
and
Inland
flooding,
that's
rainfall,
flooding
in
the
Army
Corps
version
of
the
world.
They
asked
for
a
study
to
look
titled
in
and
fighting
across
the
entire
city,
so
not
just
the
peninsula,
but
across
the
entire
city,
John's
Island,
James,
Island,
Daniel,
Island,
West,
Ashley
and
the
peninsula.
This
would
follow
a
three
by
three
by
three
process.
Our
Congressional
Delegation
has
supported
us
with
a
peninsula
project
and
they've
supported
us.
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Thankfully,
with
this
this
process,
funding
was
not
provided
in
2020,
but
it
was
provided
for
fiscal
year.
2023,
that's
right!
Now
we
have
made
a
proposal.
You
will
see
this
to
find
part
of
the
city's
cost
share
for
this
title
and
endless
study
in
the
2024
budget
that
is
coming
at
you.
It
is
50
50.
we
pay
50,
they
pay
50.
This
is
very
typical,
with
feasibility
studies
from
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers.
At
the
end
of
this
study
there
will
be
recommended
projects
just
like
there
are
recommended
projects
now
for
the
storm
surge.
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Those
recommended
projects,
if
approved
by
Congress,
will
be
then
funded
by
Congress
at
65
percent.
Through
these
kinds
of
processes,
we
can
stretch
the
city
dollars
much
much
much
further
word
of
2022
the
bill
that
that
has
this
study
or
was
the
Water
Resources
development
Act
is
the
the
bill
that
Congress
uses
to
fund
water
projects.
They
they
updated
every
two
years
the
word
of
2022
Bill
had
some
very
important
language:
expanding
the
Army
Corps
authority
to
do
much
better
flood
risk
mitigation.
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It
allows
this
titled
in
and
flooding
and
other
titled
inning
floodies
that
have
started
since
then
to
deal
with
tidally,
influenced
rivers,
bays
and
estuaries.
Does
that
sound
familiar
rainfall,
Tides
groundwater
emergence
and
sea
level,
Rock
sea
level
rise
and
subsidence?
This
is
what
this
study
will
allow
us
to
go
after.
As
you
know,
we
are
pursuing
a
comprehensive
developing,
a
comprehensive,
integrated
water
plan
for
all
that
work
is
underway.
We've
identified
a
number
of
key
areas
in
West
Ashley
and
on
James
Island.
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So
my
takeaways
here
on
this
project
I've,
given
you
a
lot
of
information
and
it
isn't
happy
information,
I
apologize
for
that,
but
that's
what's
coming
at
us,
the
takeaways
here
these
risks
are
real
and
they're
growing.
We
need
an
elevated
edge
around
the
Charleston
Peninsula.
We
need
it
to
look
like
the
battery
or
something
this
beautiful
and
not
an
ugly
gray
wall.
We
needed
to
help
us
manage
storm
surge,
but
also
rainfall,
extreme
tidals
and
help
us
deal
with
sea
level
rise.
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How
do
we
ensure
that
the
medical
district
and
the
cancer
center
and
the
Children's
Hospital
the
veterans
hospital
is
in
our
hospitality
industry
and
all
those
wonderful
businesses
on
King
Street
that
we
just
heard
about
and
the
college
and
the
Citadel
and
all
those
other
things?
How
do
we
protect
that?
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How
do
we
not
lose
our
singularly
beautiful
historic
district
in
its
architecture?
Can
we
get
these
additional
benefits
in
this
project?
Can
we
show
the
federal
Partners,
yes
we're
demanding,
but
we're
worthy
partner,
and
we
can
innovate
with
them?
That
is
something
I
think
we
can
do,
and
can
we
take
an
advantage
of
this
Federal
investment
in
us
to
help
protect
the
city
so
I'm
going
to
wrap
up
here?
It's
a
lot
of
heavy
stuff.
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There's
a
little
book
that
my
parents
read
to
me
and
I,
read
to
my
kids
and
some
of
you
read
to
your
kids
and
your
grandkids.
It's
a
little
Engine
Engine,
That,
Could,
right
I.
Think
I
can
I.
Think
I
can
big
big
big.
You
know
challenges
not
sure
if
he
can
make
it
over
the
hill,
but
the
engine
through
hard
work
and
optimism
and
intent
and
makes
it
over
the
hill.
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The
day
is
saved
and
everyone
arrives
safely
at
their
destination
model
for
the
Army
Corps
Engineers
as
I
say
all
I'm,
not
here
on
their
behalf.
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
city.
Essay
on
is
a
French
word
for
let
us
try
what
I'm
asking
you
is
to
consider
this
future
and
let
us
try
to
get
into
ped
phase
one.
You
will
see
the
design
agreement
and
see
how
far
we
can
get
pet
phase.
One
is
just
the
west
side
of
the
Charleston
Peninsula
phase.
Two
is
the
batteries
phase?
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O
O
I
do
feel
that
our
city
hadn't
done
a
good
job
and
I
say
we
I'm,
not
saying
you
I'm,
saying
we
have
not
done
a
good
job,
informing
our
citizenry
from
Daniel
Island
to
the
peninsula
to
James
Allen,
as
you
click
to
that,
and
you
spoke
about
the
it's
essential
to
see
the
peninsula
and
you
matter
of
fact,
I
wrote
it
down
the
term
you
used
was
it's
very
intentional.
You
know
to
put
an
edge
on
the
Peninsula.
O
You
know,
as
you
click
to
the
intrusion
of
the
blue
water
coming
on
the
peninsula,
I
looked
at
the
Blue
Water
intruding
on
West
Ashley,
and
it's
very
intentional
that
we
are
not
studying
that,
to
the
extent
that
we
are
the
Peninsula
and
that's
not
you,
that's
us
collectively.
Okay,
we
have
to
do
a
better
job
than
it.
O
O
This
city
has
never
raised
a
billion
dollars
to
do
anything
on
its
own
and
that's
why
I
guess
I
have
to
be
the
Canary
I
guess
in
the
tunnel
because,
as
we
move
along
with
this
train
and
things
have
to
be
paid
eventually,
it's
going
to
take
collectively
all
of
us
whether
it's
the
water
plan
or
some
duration
thereof.
It's
going
to
take
serious
money
and
was
it
today's
paper
or
yesterday's
paper.
O
A
22
million
dollar
Bike
Link
is
now
76,
plus
million
dollars
and
and
believe
me,
I'll
share
I'm
gonna
be
right.
There
voting
for
it,
but
I
don't
understand
how
this
could
have
gone
from
1.3
billion
over
all
this
time.
O
This,
basically,
the
cost
has
stayed
the
same,
but
all
of
the
construction
inflation
that
has
taken
place
and
the
bike
lane
is
I,
think
the
easiest
one
that
I
would
say,
and
certainly
this
is
far
more
complicated
than
that
when
they
built
the
Jetties
decades
ago.
No
one
thought
when
the
when
the
man-made
Channel
and
the
water
came
through
and
cut
into
our
Harbor
that
would
cut
over
and
go
to
Folly
Beach
and
he
rode
the
beach
that
was
an
unintended
consequence.
O
Okay,
I
have
firm
belief
in
my
heart
that
they're
going
to
be
some
unintended
consequences.
If
we
don't
have
action,
steps
for
areas,
James,
Island,
West,
Ashley,
I'm,
surprised,
Mount,
Pleasant's,
not
jumping
in
this
scene,
because
you
know
we
put
an
edge
on
on
our
city.
What
happens
to
the
Old
Town
section
over
in
Mount,
Pleasant,
I'm,
just
shocked
and
I
know:
I've
heard
that
the
water
is
a
big
Harbor
and
the
water
is
going
to
increase
West
Ashley
one
to
two
inches
I.
O
Just
haven't
seen
the
science
on
that
and
I
think
before
we
can
collectively
move
towards
a
major
effort.
That's
going
to
take
everybody
pushing
in
the
right
direction
to
get
it
right,
both
from
a
mental
standpoint
performing
ourselves
as
a
community
paying
for
it
I
think
is
a
region.
O
I
would
hate
for
this
to
be
and
I'm
not
talking
to
you
I'm
talking
to
the
politicians,
the
13
people
in
this
room
for
it
to
be
a
campaign,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you're
right
something's
coming
at
us,
that's
going
to
be
very
harmful
to
us
all,
but
we
have
not
done
a
good
job,
informing
our
citizenry
along
the
way,
and
that's
not
your
fault,
you
see
I,
so
I
hope
you
don't
take
that
personally,
several
times
in
your
presentation,
you
use
the
word
I
with
all
you
have
done.
O
We
have
to
bring
the
the
lawyer
who
was
here
said
that
the
catastrophic
injury
lawyer
saying
we
all
are
stakeholders,
but
he
was
talking
about
the
bike
lane,
but
he's
right
I
mean
we
all
are
stakeholders
when
it
comes
to
drainage.
So
the
effort
that
I
have
throwing
forward
is
I
would
hope
that
we
would
improve
the
science
on
what's
going
to
happen
to
when
the
water.
Let's
say
we
have
the
edge
when
the
water
hits
the
wall.
O
Where
does
it
go
now,
when
I
asked
the
this
was
doing
covert
the
gentleman
from
the
core
engineer
that
may
have
been
before
you
got
hired
when
I
asked
that
very
question.
I
said
if
the
wall
is
12
feet
when
the
storm
surge
is
11.
O
and
you
got
140
mile
an
hour
wind,
pushing
the
storm
surge
because
it
was
140
mile
an
hour
that
storm
supposed
to
be
higher
than
12..
But
in
my
example,
it
was
11
feet.
The
wall
is
12.,
I
asked
him
well
with
the
where's.
The
water
gonna
go,
and
he
said
what
do
you
mean
where's,
the
water
going
to
go
I
said:
well,
it's
not
going
to
turn
around
and
go
back
out
to
sea
because
it's
got
140
mile
an
hour
when
pushing
it.
O
He
says:
well,
something's
going
to
go
up
to
Ashley,
so
I'm
going
to
go
up
to
Cooper
something's
going
to
go
up
the
stone
all
I
mean
all
of
that.
I
said
what
about
the
homes
over
there
and
he
said
well.
They'll
have
to
be
mitigated
and
I
said
what
form
I
asked:
what
form
of
mitigation
is
that
going
to
take?
O
He
says
those
houses
are
going
to
have
to
be
lifted,
those
people
in
your
neighborhood
and
in
your
neighborhood
and
in
my
they
don't
know
that
they
don't
even
know
that's
a
possibility
and
shame
on
us.
I'm
not
saying.
Shame
on
you,
Mr
mirror
I,
say
shame
on
all
13
of
us,
because
we
can
do
better
than
that.
O
The
homes
on
the
peninsula
God
knows
is
not
another
historic
district.
Exactly
like
that,
but
everybody
off
that
Peninsula
feel
pretty
feel
like
their
home
is
pretty
and
also
so
again,
that's
the
momentum
that
I
think
whether
it's
the
water
plan
again
some
deliberation
that
up
the
edge,
whatever
it's
going
to
take
billions
of
dollars
to
do
it
and
right
now
all
I
have
seen
in
the
paper
is
TBD.
I'll
push
into
35
cents
percent
is
going
to
be
determined
after
all
these
years.
O
That's
our
financial
strategy,
TBD,
that's
something
that
we
have
to
build,
in
my
opinion,
on
a
regional
basis
to
get
the
money
to
be
able
to
West
Ashley.
We
have
divided
government
on
the
peninsula.
We
don't
we've
got
areas
in
the
city
out
of
the
city,
Etc
I,
just
don't
see
we
go
through
all
of
this
and
don't
build
a
momentum
to
pay
for
it.
We
had
a
lady
and
I'll
say
this
now
be
quiet.
I
had
a
constituent
that
was
in
Miss
Smalls,
that's
in
councilman
the
sacraments
District.
O
O
O
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The
Army
Corps
project
original
proposal
was
estimated
at
1.8
billion
dollars.
Then
it
came
down
to
1.1
billion
dollars
after
they
did
some
further
analysis
and
they
took
some
infrastructure
away.
Primarily
this
big
reef
block
thing.
They
had
off
the
bottom
of
the
peninsula
and
right
before
the
the
report
was
finalized.
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AW
There
is
a
25
or
28
cost
contingency
in
the
budget
so
that
we
can
go
up
and
down
from
that
number
if
we
need
to
without
needing
additional
Authority
from
Congress
and
funding
from
Congress.
If
we
do
need
additional
Authority,
then
we'll
go
get
it
we'll
go.
Ask
our
Congressional
Delegation
to
do
that,
not
guaranteed,
but
this
project
this
is
the
Charleston
Peninsula.
They
I
think
they
will
support
us.
That's
one.
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It
is
very
clear
we
can
find
find
ped
phase
one
without
other
support.
That
is
consistent
with
what
we
have
in
the
city
budget.
Bed
phase,
one
total
cost
is
19
million
dollars.
The
city
share
of
that
is
six
and
a
half
million
dollars
two
or
two
and
a
half
years
of
work.
We
can
fund
that
and
I've
spoken
with
the
CFO,
and
she
indicates
that
surpluses
portion
of
the
surpluses
from
the
hospitality
portion
of
the
budget
will
help
us
fund
the
city's
cost
share
of
pet
phase.
One
and
again
I
went
underlying
this.
AW
AW
This
is
what
needs
to
be
used.
As
I
mentioned
in
the
water
plan,
we've
identified
some
problem
areas
across
the
city,
but
West
Ashley,
inner
and
outer
West
out.
Lastly,
we
we
think
in
those
terms
in
the
water
pan
team
there's
some
very
risky
areas
that
are
going
to
also
be
subject
to
Tidal
flooding
because
of
sea
level
rise.
AW
AW
Our
stormwater
department,
Town
of
James
Island
and
the
county
we're
collaboratively
together,
but
these
kind
of
things
are
hard.
We
have
to
think
about
efficiency
within
those
process
process.
Through
that
title
and
Inland
study,
you
had
one
other
point
in
there
that
I
failing
to
address
it,
I've
forgotten
but
I
had
to.
O
B
I
Q
All
good,
when
do
you
think
we
might
get
a
design
agreement
in
our
hands
to
take
a
look
at
I?
Think
really
for
us!
That's
that
that's
the
green
light
go
time
when
we
really
gotta
period
a
lot.
AW
So
I
I
won't
negotiate
in
public
I.
Think
you
all
know,
that's
not
the
best
thing
to
do.
What
I
will
tell
you
is.
We
have
had
repeated
meetings
over
the
last
three
months
with
the
Army
Corps
Engineers.
We
made
proposals,
they
have
accepted
they're
working
if
they're
working
with
their
division
legal
counsel.
So
not
here
the
folks
up
above
them,
we
had
another
meeting
today.
AW
I
think
we
would
have
something
to
share
with
you
in
the
next
month
or
two
and
at
that
point,
at
the
appropriate
time,
when
you
all
are
comfortable
with
this,
you
can
see
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
you're
comfortable
to.
Let
us
try
my
little
engine
there
to
let
us
try.
Then
we
will
ask
you
to
fund
the
project
bed
phase
one
for
next
year,
that
is
coming
at
you
in
the
next
three
to
four
months.
AW
Q
AW
What
I
think
will
be
necessary
is
I
will
I
would
hope
to
be
able
to
share.
We
would
hope,
they're
going
to
share
an
informal
draft
agreement
of
what
we've
negotiated.
That
we
think
represents
the
best
interest
of
Charleston
and
have
you
all
look
at
that?
Get
your
feedback
make
sure
you're
comfortable
with
it
and
then
see
what
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
legal
division
thinks
about
it.
Let
me
be
clear:
we
want
this
process
to
move
as
efficiently
and
effectively
as
possible
through
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers.
AW
They
have
their
own
lawyers
own
policies,
their
own
regulations.
We
would
like
to
do
this,
so
we
don't
cause
substantial
concern
up
the
chain
of
command.
However-
and
I've
said
this
repeatedly
to
the
colleagues
of
the
Armature
Engineers.
If
we
need
to
go
to
the
assistant
Secretary
of
the
Army
and
the
chief
of
Engineers,
because
we
think
something
is
necessary
that
they
are
unwilling
to
provide
in
negotiations
with
the
division
and
the
district,
then
we
will
go.
AW
AW
Even
while
the
assistant
Secretary
of
the
army
for
Civil
Works
is
a
gentleman
who
I
have
met,
and
we
know
a
little
bit
and
we
know
a
lot
of
people
who
have
worked
for
him
and
he's
a
very
open
and
understanding
man
just
say
this:
General
Spellman
is
the
chief
of
Engineers,
the
deputy
chief
of
Engineers,
the
division
Commander,
the
principal
Deputy
assistant
secretary.
They
have
all
been
here.
The
mayor
and
I
have
met
with
them,
we've
talked
to
them.
AW
They
understand
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
they
know
they
need
to
give
us
the
flexibility,
because
if
they
don't
and
they
say
you
get
a
tea
wall
or
nothing
we'll
say
no.
Thank
you.
They
know
that
we
have
communicated
that
repeatedly
to
them,
so
they
are
gonna.
I
feel
with
our
high
benefit
cost
ratio.
They
are
going
to
do
their
best
to
work
with
us.
B
So
if
I
may
add
just
a
couple
of
points
myself
on
your
recommendation,
councilmember
Waring,
we
we
do
plan
to
bring
the
council
I
think
in
a
month
or
so
a
contract
for
additional
help
with
public
engagement
of
this
whole
matter.
I
think
you.
F
B
You're
right
Dale
you're
a
godsend,
but
he's
one
man
and
we
collectively,
as
as
elected
officials,
but
also
you
know,
staff
has
got
a
few
duties
already
on
their
plate.
We
need
some
outside
help
to
help
us
with
citizen
engagement
on
this
important
matter
for
our
City's
future.
B
So
so
we're
gonna
put
out
an
RFP
soon
for
for
some
help
on
on
the
public,
engagement
I
would
I
think
you
all
know
this,
but
you
know
we
regarding
the
long-term
funding,
we're
asking
for
money
now,
wherever
we
can,
you
know
from
the
state
from
the
occasionally
partnership
with
the
county.
B
I've
got
Governor
McMaster
here
again
on
Thursday,
to
review
his
10
million
dollar
investment
in
the
Earhart
tunnel,
to
thank
him
for
the
10
million
dollars
that
we
got
for
King
and
hugee
Street
to
let
him
know
that
we're
requesting,
if
he
didn't
know
already
another
seven
million
dollars
for
the
East
Side,
and
you
know,
then
today
we
approved
application
for
another
program
with
the
Corps
of
Engineers
for
13
million
dollars
for
West
Ashley.
B
So
all
of
this
funding
that
we're
able
to
accrue
along
the
way
helps
us
be
able
to
be
able
to
afford
the
future
needs,
but
but
I
think
we
all
collectively
realized
with
with
the
kinds
of
numbers
needs
that
we
were
talking
about
five
and
six
years
ago.
That
was
going
to
be
two
or
three
billion
dollars
worth
of
infrastructure
investment
needed
to
protect
our
city,
that
there
was
nobody
more
substantial
than
Uncle
Sam
himself
to
help
us
and
the
the
way
the
pathway
to
get
Federal.
B
Help
for
for
all
of
this
kind
of
infrastructure
is
through
the
U.S
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
and
that's
why
we
pursued
I
think
an
amazing
collaboration
with
the
Corps
of
Engineers.
Yes,
it
started
with
this
three
by
three
we're
already
seeing
other
benefits
like
our
three
million
dollars.
We
got
from
him
for
the
upgrade
of
the
MUSC
Pump
Station.
B
That's
now
a
project
for
the
application
that
we're
submitting
today,
the
the
last
couple
of
slides
the
title
and
Inland
feasibility
study
is
just
like
we've
been
through
for
the
peninsula,
but
for
the
rest
of
the
city
which,
if
authorized
by
Congress,
and
it
takes
a
while
to
get
there,
will
set
us
up
for
65
35
match
for
projects
in
other
parts
of
the
city
as
well.
They
are
our
ticket
to
be
unable
to
get
the
necessary
funding
to
to
invest
to
make
the
Investments
meet.
B
I
would
not
have
guessed
five
years
ago
that
I'd
be
able
to
stand
here
tonight
and
tell
you
that
we
have
the
even
the
opportunity
to
get
865
million
dollars
from
the
federal
government
to
help
us
address
our
emphasis
structure,
costs
for
for
for
storm
water
management
and
surge
protection
for
this
city
and
and
in
a
way,
that's
just
the
beginning,
so
yeah
we
have
to
ask
for
it
from
the
county
and
the
state
and
everybody
else.
B
As
I've
said
before,
onto
every
Rock,
but
this
is
this:
partnership
with
the
core
is
vital,
in
my
opinion,
to
our
City's
future
and
trying
to
address
these
needs.
So
I
don't
want
to
turn
look
a
gift
horse
in
the
mouth
and
to
proceed
with
this
Justice
phase.
One
I
know
we
got
to
get
the
agreement
right,
we're
going
to
get
it
to
you,
but
y'all.
B
This
is
really
important
for
the
future
of
our
city
to
to
proceed
with
ped
of
phase
one
to
protect
the
Western,
the
whole
Western
flank
of
the
peninsula
and
the
hospital
District,
which
I
remind
folks,
is
the
highest
density
of
employment
of
anywhere
in
the
state
of
South.
Carolina
is
the
hospital
District
of
Charleston,
so
anyway,
I
couldn't
hold
myself
back,
but
to
share
those
few
comments.
Thank
you.
Neil.
AW
Mr
Mayor
can
I
make
one
more
comment.
One
more
comment,
your
Indulgence,
please
so,
head
phase
one
will
allow
us
to
go
through
the
design
and
Engineering
Process
and
show
the
county
and
show
the
state
and
show
others
what
we're
trying
to
build.
Without
that
design
effort,
we
have
to
go
to
the
state
and
the
county
and
say
help
us,
but
we
don't
know
yet
what
it
is.
So
we
need
to
get
through
that
design
phase
at
least
pet
phase
one.
AW
So
we
can
say
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
to
protect
the
Charleston
Peninsula,
it's
beautiful,
it's
multi-benefit!
It
has
all
these
other
things
going
on
forward
if
we
fail
or
unsuccessful
in
that
effort,
as
I
said,
we
will
at
that
point,
stop
I,
don't
think
that's
the
case,
but
we
need
to
be
able
to
go
through
the
process
to
show
them
what
we
want.
We
want
them
to
help
us
buy,
listen.
O
To
me,
I
want
to
ask
this
question
to
both
of
you
all
both
of
you
all.
Don't
you
realize
when
you
go
to
those
stakeholders
on
County,
Council
matter
of
fact,
a
couple
of
them
live:
West
Ashley,
the
science
of
West,
Ashley
and
James
Island
has
to
be
answered
right
and
we
don't
have
those
answers.
I
mean
when
I
ask
that
this
now
about
the
as
the
water
blew
intruded
on
the
peninsula,
it
also
increased
on
James,
Allen
and
John's
Island.
We
pivoted.
AW
That
was
the
one
item
that
I
said:
I
forgot
what
the
question
was
so
after
the
10
of
these
selected
plan
was
released.
People
asked
the
question
well
that
wall
is
going
to
flood
James
Island.
What
the
heck
are
you
doing?
This
was
a
legitimate
concern
in
the
analysis
of
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
undertook
after
the
original
tsp
and
that
then
they
did
some
modeling
and
that
modeling
was
included
in
the
optimized
DSP.
AW
They
do
wave
modeling,
my
distinguished
friend
and
councilman
here.
As
an
engineer,
he
can
talk
about
how
waves,
depending
on
their
angle
of
attack
to
a
structure
they
bounce
off
and
they
their
energy
cancels
each
other
there's
a
there's,
a
technical
definition
for
that
destructive
interference
right.
Okay,
so
that
happens.
That's
one
thing
that
happens
right,
so,
no
matter
how
hard
that
wind
is
pushing
that
wave
higher
and
higher
when
it
hits
something
hard
it
bounces
back
and
the
other
wave
coming
in
they
counteract
each
other.
AW
So
that's
one
thing
because
our
Harbor
in
the
intertidal
marshes
in
wappu
cut
in
Shem
Crete
and
the
Steiner
and
the
Ashley
and
Wando
in
the
Cooper
is
so
big
and
the
structure
is
so
small.
The
peninsula
is
so
small
in
that
bigger
system.
The
modeling
shows
that
it
would
increase
under
certain
they
modeled
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
foot
waves.
AW
They
ran
this
through
this
ad
Circ
model
and
it
shows
that
the
water
level
increase
off
Peninsula
would
be
one
inch
to
two
inches
at
the
worst
at
the
worst.
Meanwhile,
I
showed
you
five
six
or
seven
feet
of
water
depth
on
the
peninsula.
So
we're
not
saying
it's
zero.
We
have
to
pay
attention
to
the
title
in
any
study.
AW
What
we
can
do
to
mitigate
that
through
that
effort,
but
that's
the
modeling
is
done
and
if
we
change
the
alignment
and
we
will
and
as
we
move
through
the
process,
if
we
need
to
do
modeling
more
modeling
on
that
and
it
cost
us
two
or
three
or
four
hundred
thousand
or
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
do
that,
modeling
to
pay
our
water
plan
team
or
some
other
outside
expert
to
do
that
for
us,
then
that
is
something
we
should
come
to
you
all
and
ask
you
to
find.
That
is
something
that's
dead
serious.
AW
O
B
Thank
you
Dale
for
that
kind
of
kind
of
complete
presentation,
but
but
I
thought
that
would
be
most
helpful.
Next
up
is
Council
Communications,
a
discussion
regarding
composition,
present
standing
committees
and
recent
adoption
of
a
couple
of
ordinances
council
member
Shea.
Thank.
AX
You
Mr
may
I
want
to
hand
out
some
documents.
First,
there's
a
copy
of
our
ordinance,
249,
250
and
257,
and
then
a
memo
that
we
came
from
you
on
June
15th,
regarding
Council
appointments
and
just
pass
those
out.
There
should
be
a
copy
for
you,
Mr
Mayor
as
well,
and
I
made
extra
copies
anybody
else
in
responded
too.
So
I've
had
this
conversation
with
our
wonderful
Clerk
of
council
and
our
wonderful
deputy
lawyer
over
there
Deputy
dog.
AX
So
if
y'all
may
recall
that
earlier
this
year
we
amended
section
2-49
then,
which
automatically
made
it
an
amendment
to
section
2-50
and
the
rest
of
the
standing
committees,
but
I
wanted
us
to
bring
our
attention
to
our
community
development
and
this
sort
of
came
to
my
attention
after
I
think
the
July
20th
community
development
committee
meeting
so
2-49
address
how
standing
committees
are
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
we
made
that
change.
AX
It
had
to
be
approved
by
by
Council,
and
it
says
no
later
than
the
second
meeting
in
in
January
and
as
my
math
teacher
used
to
say
in
high
school
simultaneously
together.
At
the
same
time,
we
reduced
the
number
of
council
member
membership
on
on
most
of
these
committees,
but
in
particular
under
2-5
zero
number.
Six.
AX
We
reduce
the
number
of
Community
Development
members
to
five,
and
then
the
mayor
circulated
a
memo
re-aligning
some
of
these
committees,
so
we
have
existing
committees
that
or
particularly
councilman
Mitchell's
committee,
Community
Development-
that
has
more
than
the
five
numbers
we
required.
So
we
have
six
members
still
on
Council
certainly
looks
like
2-49
goes
into
effect
in
January
2024,
but
at
the
same
time,
simultaneously
together.
At
the
same
time,
we
have
Auto
already
reduced
the
number
of
council
members
on
particularly
Community
Development
I.
AX
AX
As
far
as
I
know,
the
June
15th
movement
from
the
mayor,
that
did
the
committee
realignment
I
just
want
some
clarification,
make
sure
that
we're
doing
all
the
same
properly
and
that
we're
not
out
of
whack
and
in
conflict
with
these
particular
ordinances.
So
do
you
may
want
to
add
your
your
legal
opinion
on
this
and
just
sort
of
clarify
this
for
us.
X
Sure,
thank
you
councilman.
So
if
you
look
at
250,
yes,
we
are
technically
meeting
with
committees
that
are
not
the
numbers,
don't
reflect
what's
actually
happening.
However,
if
you
read
it
in
conjunction
with
249,
technically
it's
supposed
to
trigger
in
January
the
mayor
was
a
bit
proactive
in
submitting
his
names,
but
technically
it
does
not
trigger
until
January,
so
until
Council
votes
on
and
approves
the
new
selection
for
committees.
You
all
continue
to
meet
as
you
normally
would
and
as
you
are
normally
assembled,
so
read
together,
the
three
sections
there
is:
no.
X
AX
B
Well,
if
I'm
a
chime
in
at
this
point,
as
as
you
noted,
I
made
some
recommendations
for
those
committee
assignments
or
D
assignments,
as
as
the
case
may
be,
and
I
received
a
few
objections
from
council
members
that
that
they
weren't
pleased
with
my
selection,
so
I
I,
guess
we've
Fallen
to
the
situation
that
we
for
Saul.
You
know.
B
If
if
we
go
to
a
council
approval
of
these
appointments,
then
then
y'all
may
have
to
work
things
out
a
little
bit
amongst
yourselves,
but
I
I
had
a
couple
of
objections,
so
I
did
not
move
forward
to
ask
for
your
approval
over
the
ejections
of
those
council
members
and
given
the
situation
just
described
by
Council
here
that
you
know
really,
the
the
effective
date
is
January.
We've
taken
no
action
thus
far.
AU
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
and
thank
you
Mr
councilmember
shade
for
bringing
this
up.
You
know
I
I
do
agree
with
you.
I
mean
we
passed
this
ordinance,
but
it
I
I
do
think
that
it
falls
on
us.
I
mean
the
mayor
can
make
those
suggestions,
but
it's
up
to
us
now
to
vote
on
that
membership.
So
if
there
were
concerns
raised
on
those
specific
appointments,
I
certainly
never
heard.
AU
That
would
just
be
my
suggestion.
I'm
sure
you
know
this
ordinance
passed,
some
were
not
in
favor,
because
these
discussions,
some
aren't
going
to
like
them,
and
it
may
be
lengthy,
but
we
either
bring
it
to
council
and
and
make
those
appointments,
or
we
wait
until
January.
So
I
do
technically
think
it's
on
us
as
a
body
to
bring
it
and
do
it.
AU
AX
X
Technically,
in
January,
the
mayor
does
make
his
committee
recommendations,
so
we
didn't
change
the
language
of
2-49
because
that's
the
way
you've
always
operated
but
paid.
You
know
keep
in
mind
also
that
there's
a
sentence
in
2-49
that
says
until
Council
consents
to
the
new
recommendations.
The
prior
committees
will
continue
eating,
so
we
can't
technically
we
don't
stop
business
in
the
city
we
keep
meeting
until
there
is
a
consensus.
AY
I
agree
with
that.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
but
since
we
passed
these
at
the
same
time
and
rules
of
statutory
interpretation
being
what
they
are,
we
would
have
to
presume
that
we
knew
what
we
were
doing
with
both
of
them
and
so
there's
not
really
a
conflict.
It
just
says
that
this
is
in
January
January
issue
right.
AZ
Since
we're
talking
about
the
rules
of
statutory
construction,
I
can't
help
myself
here,
y'all
brought
this
up.
I
didn't
bring
it
up.
This
is
that
y'all
put
this
on
the
agenda
order.
Courts
will
reject
an
interpretation
that
produces
an
absurd
result
and
the
intent
of
counsel
is
always
Paramount.
Was
it
anybody's
intent
around
this
room
to
kick
people
off
the
CD
committee
immediately
when
these
ordinances
are
passed?
I
rest,
my
case.
I
C
C
B
All
right
without
further
Ado,
we'll
move
on
to
our
Council
committee
reports.
Speaking
of
Community
Development,
that's
first
one
up:
councilmember
Mitchell
foreign.
R
Right
now,
Community
Development
Committee
met
on
Thursday
January
20th
at
3
P.M,
and
we
had
only
two
items
on
the
gender.
The
person
are
the
most
resolution
certifying
a
billing
as
an
abandoned
building
side
platoon
to
the
South
Carolina
abandonment
building
that
was
approved
and
I'm.
Asking
for
approval
on
that
particular
one.
B
R
I
hope
you
don't
be
too
long
with
this
one
on
the
Sumo
Street
project
and
we
had
a
number
of
people
participant
that
came
and
residents
came
and
spoke
doing
his
participation,
and
also
we
had
a
lot
of
the
colleagues
here
on
city
council
came
and
I
also
give
them
opportunity
to
speak.
Also
at
the
meeting
and
after
a
long
discussion,
and
normally
my
meeting,
don't
last
too
long
that
long
but
been
there
three
hours
on
this
community
development
meeting
and
I
told
the
committee.
R
Is
there
that
didn't
stop
and
say
we
wouldn't
come
back
later
and
look
at
some
other
things
that
might
happen
with
shops
and
things.
But
right
now
this
will
proceed
with
the
municipal
building
and
that
was
was
approved
by
the
committee
and
I'm,
bringing
it
to
council
for
approval.
AV
Because
I
think
Batman
don't
get
it
yeah
I
think
we
crossed
we,
we
cross-reference
the
West
Ashley
revitalization
plan
and,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
okay.
AV
Thank
you
because
you
know
we
we
paid
a
half
million
dollars
for
this
plan
and
I.
Think
Mr
chairman,
we
were
look
yeah.
AV
You're
more
specific,
we
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
captured
what
was
recommended
Visa,
the
West
Ashley
revitalization
plan,
which
was
see
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
key
ideas,
Illustrated
and
I
think
it
was
read
into
the
record
at
one
point
as
well.
A
AV
And
C
right,
B
and
C
is
what
we
were
talking
about,
exploring
and
recommending
to
staff.
Okay,
are
you
giving
me
that
little
look
there?
AV
R
B
O
Thank
you,
Mr
Smith,
the
building
that
was
envisioned
well.
As
of
in
the
plan,
it
was
a
Civic
building,
actually
a
Civic
building
that
it's
funny
how
we've
gone
full
circle
on
this
one
we
earlier
celebrated
the
Limehouse
swap,
probably
swap
which
is
actually
out
of
the
West
Ashley
revitalization
plan.
O
The
Civic
building
that
frankly,
councilman
Shane
has
been
talking
about
for
months,
was
out
of
the
West
Ashley
revitalization
plan
and
green
space
and
improved
streetscapes
is
also
a
part
of
that
and
we
kind
of
got
away
from
it
now.
Some
of
the
people
who
wasn't
on
the
council
at
the
time
when
it
was
a
gnashing
of
the
teeth
just
said,
look
I
think
the
company
was
Dover
coal
to
do
the
study
of
all
West,
Ashley
and
I
got
to
tell
you.
O
Thousands
of
people
participated
the
second,
the
company
that
got
it,
we
thought
was
too
high.
Some
of
us
thought
was
too
high.
The
next
company
was
at
350
000
this
company,
if
I
remember
correctly,
was
505
000.
O
and
that
got
debated
and
actually
historic,
Charleston
and
I
think
you
worked
on
that
Mr
Mann
helped
to
get
50
000
to
help
supplement
the
cost.
It
was
actually
council
member
seekings.
That
said,
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
long
time.
Let's
get
this
thing
going,
let's
move
it
along,
so
we
had
to
hire
somebody
and
they
were
a
good
company,
but
we
got
away
from
what
was
being
recommended.
O
AX
AX
I
made
enough
coffee
for
everybody,
this
land
swap
that
came
directly
out
of
playing
West
Ashley,
and
we
were
ringing
the
bell
and
singing
the
Praises
of
what
we
did
with
that
last
one
because
it
took
it
right
out
of
the
book
previously
in
not
many
of
you
were
on
council
at
the
time,
but
back
in
I,
think
2000
and
maybe
18
to
2019.
We
had
a
proposal
for
the
revitalization
of
Citadel
mall
and
the
new
owners.
AX
The
davises
came
to
us
for
a
putt
that
PUD
came
out
of
plan,
wish
Ashley
two
specific
instances
in
which
we
have
adopted
and
follow
through
with
the
recommendation
to
plan
West
Ashley.
Then
those
plans
have
changed
a
little
bit
over
in
Central
Mall.
New
owners
have
taken
over,
but
even
meetings
with
them
have
reconfirmed
their
intent
to
proceed
with
the
planned
unit,
development
that
is
proposed
at
civil
law
out
of
plan
West
Ashley,
and
we
just
did
it
again
tonight.
AX
So
if
we
we
had
these
plans,
we
spend
the
money
on
these
companies.
We
have
the
public
engagement
with
our
community,
one
of
the
highest
that
we've
ever
had
in
any
type
of
plan.
Community
stakeholders
taking
part
of
this,
and
we
follow
the
plan.
Now
that
doesn't
take
into
account
the
number
of
times
I
have
appeared
before
the
design
review
board
and
when
small,
smaller
projects
and
I
mean
smaller
amount
of
money.
Not
small
amount
of
significance
come
through
the
design
review
board.
AX
AX
and
he
got
calls
from
the
Saint
Andrews
Public
Service,
District
Recreation
folks,
opposing
that
in
councilman
machine
Lee
and
I
attended
that
design
review
board
and
we
pulled
out
playing
West
Ashley
and
we
stopped
that
Parker's
gas
station
from
being
built
with
that
which
is
now
a
a
car
wash
located
there,
because
we
use
this
plan
to
help
us
be
consistent
with
the
development
of
West
Ashley.
The
revitalization
of
the
West
Ashley
I
can
give
you
other
examples
as
well
of
how
we've
used
this
from
time
to
time.
AX
Council
member
Appel
was
involved
in
a
lawsuit
in
regards
to
something
was
in
the
county
off
a
parsonage
road
after
the
city
had
made
a
commitment
with
green
belt
money
for
that
particular
intercession.
I
think
I
think
you'll.
That
would
be
in
your.
If
it
was
in
the
city,
it
was
a
county
in
the
county
board,
overruled
our
objections
to
that
I.
Think
councilwoman
of
Hell
became
involved
representing
the
the
aggrieved
parties
and
that,
but
still
that
was
part
of
planned
West
Ashley.
AX
So,
if
we're
going
to
be
consistent,
if
we're
going
to
follow
the
roadmap
that
we
spent
thousands
and
thousands
of
dollars
on
and
thousands
of
thousands
of
hours
on
through
our
planning
department,
here's
another
example
of
doing
that
now.
I
know
a
lot
of
folks
have
expressed
their
interest
in
desire
of
what
we've
dubbed
option.
One
and
I've
talked
about
that
in
in
a
nauseum,
I've
had
several
meetings
with
my
constituents
about
that
that
that
plan
is
not
going
to
pass.
Council
we've
tried
it.
It's
not
going
to
pass
Council.
AX
What
this
plan
does
is
give
the
city
the
flexibility
to
proceed
with
the
revitalization
of
this
very
important
Gateway
into
West
Ashley,
and
what
it
doesn't
do.
It
doesn't
prohibit
further
development
in
this
site
and
I
know.
Some
of
us
have
been
in
communication
with
Faison
that
owned
Ashley
Landing,
we're
very
familiar
with
the
proposals
for
revitalizing
Ashley,
Landing
I.
Think
to
the
tune
of
150
million
dollars
is
what
they
have
in
mind.
AX
What
it
does
do
is
start
the
ball
rolling
on
the
revitalization
of
this
location
and
gets
us
in
in
the
right
direction
in
as
Ashley
Landing,
which
is
also
contemplated
in
section
D
of
this
proposal
with
follow
suit
as
well.
This
is
a
very
easy
roadmap
for
us
to
to
take.
It
may
not
be
with
all
the
bells
and
whistles
that
we
get
hope
for
or
expected
to
to
take
into
account
I
solved.
There's
still
here,
Jonathan
and
Jason
with
us
in
the
back
they've
been
working
with
us
on
this.
AX
This
still
provides
us
with
a
level
of
flexibility
to
proceed.
Otherwise,
if
we,
if
we
don't
approve
this
tonight,
then
we're
back
at
square
one
with
nothing
at
all
going
forward
and
we'll
send
a
very
powerful
negative
message,
a
very
powerful
negative
message
to
the
citizens
of
West
Ashley
that
were
paralyzed
and
we're
going
to
do
nothing
and
I've
heard
talk
over
and
over
again.
Well,
let's
just
wait
till
after
the
the
mayor's
election.
AX
AX
When
are
we
going
to
stand
up
for
the
citizens
of
West
Ashley?
When
are
we
going
to
stand
out
for
the
citizens
of
West
Ashley
and
do
something
positive,
here's
our
opportunity
to
do
that?
Here's
our
opportunity
to
start
the
process
on
the
gateway
to
the
City
of
Charleston,
the
most
historic
location
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina
and
say
we're
going
to
take
some
some
action.
AX
We
just
spent
over
an
hour
hearing
about
flood
mitigation
issues
on
stormwater
and
storm
surge.
That's
going
to
cause
over
a
billion
dollars,
not
one
penny,
not
one
penny
of
that
goes
to
West.
Ashley
asked
a
question
again:
what
is
the
negative
impact?
That's
going
to
have
on
West
Ashley
on
James
Island,
on
John's
Island,
on
Daniel
Island.
AX
AX
AX
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
at
Charlestown
Landing
have
a
meeting
in
West
Ashley,
so
our
citizens
can
accomplish
we're
talking
about
something
very
important
tonight,
not
only
in
addition
to
this
storm
protective
wall
that
we've
been
addressing
but
to
the
citizens
will
be
here
addressing
what's
going
to
happen
to
King
Street,
with
this
bicycle
lane,
when
we
had
a
meeting
back
in
2016
about
the
Ashley
River
Bridge,
we
had
over
500
people
show
up
for
that
that
meeting
and
we
couldn't
meet
in
here
we
had
meet
over
and
at
the
Gilyard
Auditorium.
AX
We
could
be
meeting
today
right
now
at
this
new
Civic
Center
at
this
particular
site
tonight.
My
citizens,
my
constituents,
when
they
have
neighborhood
association
meetings,
can
have
a
meeting
tonight
in
the
Civic
Center.
When
I
have
my
monthly
meetings
with
my
constituents
called
coffee
and
conversation,
we
could
be
meeting
in
that
location.
The
design
review
board
can
be
meeting
in
that
location.
AX
AX
We
have
an
opportunity,
my
fellow
council
members,
particularly
those
of
you
who
represent
Pastor
West
Ashley,
to
stand
up
to
approve
this
and
get
this
thing
passed
and
move
it
forward.
Voting
against
this
is
saying
to
West
Ashley.
You
know
what
and
I
I
love
my
Gamecocks,
but
we
know
what
they
say:
we'll
win
the
next
year,
I'm
not
doing
that
I'm
not
waiting
until
next
year.
AX
Let's
approve
this
thing
tonight:
let's
get
this
thing
approved.
Let's
get
this
thing
passed
and
let's
look
for
the
future
and
the
vision
of
what
we
can
do
not
only
with
us
just
a
Civic
Center
on
this
location,
but
what
we
can
do
to
expand
that
beyond
the
Civic
Center
as
time
passes
on
but
less
like
eating
an
elephant.
How
do
you
do
it
one
bite
at
a
time?
Thank
you.
Mr
new.
AZ
Pell
I
just
have
a
question:
what
are
we
voting
on.
I
A
C
I
believe
or
I
believe
the
motion
is
the
to
vote
on
the
decision
that
was
made
at
the
Community
Development
Committee,
which
is
to
ask
staff
to
bring
back
a
fourth
option,
with
just
the
Civic
Center
in
Green
Space.
To
look
at
plan.
West,
Ashley
and
I
had
written
down
from
the
committee
meeting
also
to
work
on
improving
the
Gateway
at
Northbridge
down
Sam
Rittenberg.
X
So
I
think
what
is
going
to
have
to
happen.
If
this
is
a
yes
vote,
we
either
there
are
two
ways
to
build
out
or
develop
option
four
in
my
mind,
and
if
you
can
come
up
with
a
third
one,
please
feel
free
to
chime
in.
It
would
be
either
to
put
out
a
whole
new
RFP
to
find
a
company
to
provide
a
fourth
option
or
amend
the
mou
with
Landmark
to
have
them
design
option
four
under
the
current
agreement
and
come
back
to
council
for
approval.
B
Council
member
Gregory
and
then
seekings.
AV
Because
I
wanted
to
make
clear
that,
with
landmarks
submitted
to
us,
I
thought
was
great.
They
did
exactly
what
they
were
asked
to
do:
right:
okay,
yeah
and
I
I
I.
Think.
If
we
had
asked
Landmark
earlier
to
do
an
option
with
the
municipal
building
and
green
space,
we
would
have
that
as
well.
We
didn't
ask
them
to
do
that.
AV
Okay,
so
I
really
think
that
if
we
had
given
Landmark
the
opportunity
to
afford
US
with
another
option,
they
would
have.
We
never
asked
man.
B
That
that's
not
true,
sir.
We
asked
them
for
other
options.
They
presented
three
to
us.
One
was
option:
one
one
was
option,
two
right
that
had
a
structured
parking
on
the
site
and
there
was
an
option.
Three
all
three
options
included
a
Civic
facility
that
was
to
be
owned
by
the
City
of
Charleston.
All
three
options
included
that,
but
but
admittedly,
all
three
options
included
some
of
commercial
development
on
their
part.
B
As
you
went
one
two
three
well
when
you
went
to
three,
the
amount
of
commercial
development
and
square
footage
of
the
Civic
space
went
appreciably
down
because
of
the
limitations
of
parking,
but
in
fact
they
did
what
we
asked
them
and
provided
other
options
exactly
so
so
what's
being
proposed.
Here
is
an
option
that
includes
no
commercial
development
at
this
time,
maybe
later,
but
just
the
the
Civic
space.
But
honestly,
all
three
options
notably
option.
One
included
a
robust
Civic
space
included.
AV
AG
B
AV
AV
AV
That's
all
I'm
saying
we
didn't
get
that
we
got
three
options
and
they're
all
just
variations
of
the
same.
Basically,
is
there
something
that
we
could
do?
Okay,
that
is
different
and
and
and
that
and
what
Community
Development
came
up
with
would
be
different.
It
would
not
have
office
spaces,
it
would
not
have
commercial
spaces,
it
would
have
the
municipal
center
with
some
green
space.
That's
very
different
from
any
of
those
other
options.
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I
have
so
many
questions,
I'm
not
going
to
ask
them
I'm
not
going
to
ask
them
all.
I
was
one
of
the
council
members
who
sat
in
for
the
entire
meeting.
Congratulations
council,
member
Mitchell
for
conducting
such
a
good
meeting
and
surviving
and
I
will
tell
you
when
it
was
all
over.
It
was
very
unclear
to
me
and
it's
hence
the
question
I'm
about
to
ask
exactly
where
we're
heading
next,
so
I
have
just
a
couple
of
pointed
questions.
Q
Q
Q
Second,
when
we
vote
tonight
on
the
motion,
that's
on
the
floor.
Yes,
what
are
we
committing
ourselves
to?
Are
we
committing
ourselves
to
sending
this
over
to
Mr
summer
field
and
his
group
to
come
up
with
some
Concepts
and
send
them
back
to
us
to
then
put
out
another
mou
or
to
get
Landmark
back
in
here
and
ask
them
if
they're
interested
in
pursuing?
That?
Is
that
what
we're
voting
on
if.
X
X
Q
Please,
if
you
don't
mind
I'm
living
with
us
for
a
long
time.
Sorry
I,
just
when
we're
done
voting
on
this
motion,
we're
all
we're
doing,
is
sort
of
pointing
in
some
Direction
saying
go,
think
about
it.
We
don't
make
we're
not
making
any
commitment
of
City
dollars
or
zone
or
anything
right.
We're
making
no
commitment
to
anything
other
than
asking
someone
to
go.
Rethink
this
correct
right,
correct,
okay!
I
got
a
lot
more
questions,
but
that's
probably
enough
for
tonight's
vote.
Thank
you.
AZ
AZ
Anything
that
we
decide
and
discuss
today
will
have
to
be
finalized
and
approved
by
a
future
Council
and
a
future
mayor.
Let's
stop
talking
about
this.
It's
two
months
away
from
an
election.
Let's
take
this
to
the
community.
Let's
campaign
on
this
issue:
let's
get
some
guidance
on
it.
I
mean
we're
going
to
be
directing
staff
to
do
something
that
a
future
Council,
a
mayor
will
have
to
vote
to
fund.
What
are
we
doing?
AZ
I
I.
Just
think
that
enough,
you
know
it's
just
not
in
a
position
for
us
to
be
doing
anything,
meaningful,
I,
don't
think
the
motion
on
the
floor
accomplishes
anything
I,
don't
think
we're
in
a
position
to
really
act
in
a
in
a
meaningful
way
on
this
one
way
or
the
other
thanks.
AY
It
thank
you
and
I
have
to
take
issue
with
where
this
whole
conversation
started,
that
we
are
moving
forward
in
any
way
or
delivering
what's
best
for
West
Ashley.
By
voting
for
this
motion
tonight,
it's
first
of
all
the
majority
of
West
Ashley's
Representatives
have
spoken
on
this
and
we
voted
in
favor
of
option
one.
AY
So
we
are
we're
actually
actively
moving
in
Reverse,
getting
further
away
from
what
a
majority
of
West
Ashley
council
members
voted
for
to
deliver
well
to
even
start
down
the
road
of
delivering
something
that
is
going
to
in
perpetuity
we're
not
going
to
go
back
and
put
commercial
on
this
come
on
it
in
perpetuity
will
keep
this
off
the
tax
rolls
we
have
just.
We
just
spent
an
hour
and
a
half
talking
about
all
of
West
Ashley's
flooding
needs.
How
do
we
pay
for
that
with
green
space
in
a
commercial
corridor?
AY
I
mean
if
we're,
if
we're
getting
serious,
about
creating
economic
viability
that
will
fund
West,
Ashley's
sustainability,
for
that
I
can
pass
down
to
my
kid.
This
is
not
it.
We
we
were.
We
were
on
the
road
to
that
and
we
are.
We
have
thrown
it
in
reverse
and
we're
backing
up.
I
mean
we're
just
not
going
to
get
anywhere
by
voting
on
this
tonight,
I
mean
we
can.
We
can
vote
on
it,
but
you
know
ultimately
we're
going
to
have
to
come
back
after
November
anyway.
We
might
as
well
just
be
honest
about
it.
AX
AX
Now
you
want
to
stop
and
and
make
West
Ashley
paralyzed
again
then
vote
this
thing
down
because
you're
sending
a
vote.
If
you
telling
your
constituents
in
West
Ashley
that
I'm
for
pause
I'm
for
stoppage
I'm
for
not
getting
something
done
in
West,
Ashley
I'm,
not
moving
forward
in
West
Ashley.
This
is
a
start.
It's
not
the
end!
It's
the
beginning!
We
can't
get
past
the
beginning,
because
the
project
that
we
that
this
Council
voted
against
was
too
expensive,
Council
Council,
has
said
it
now.
That's
not
my
particular
wish.
AX
I
voted
with
y'all
on
passing
option,
one
it
got
defeated,
so
you
want
to
just
wait
in
more
and
more
until
maybe
something
happens
next
year
or
the
year
after
the
year
after
that
or
the
year
after
that,
look
what's
in
front
of
us
right
now.
Look
at
the
vision
that
we
have
right
now
before
us
and
follow
the
plan.
AX
AX
We
have
an
opportunity
to
go
back
to
Landmark
as
council
member
Gregory
has
said
and
asked
him.
Would
you
be
interested
in
doing
this
thing
because
it
gives
them
the
option
in
their
foot
in
the
door
for
further
work
that
can
be
done
on
this
particular
site
y'all.
Looking
at
this
and
saying
I'm
voting
against
it
because
it
doesn't
include
option
one
with
commercial
development.
AX
This
plan
was
Ashley,
did
not
contemplate
this
being
a
money
making
commercial
development,
but
we
can
make
that
adjustment
later
on
down
the
road
with
it.
After
we
get
the
ball
rolling
on
this
particular
project,
what's
the
harm
in
doing
that,
Mr,
Harmony,
being
Progressive
and
thinking
forward
down
the
road
on
how
we
can
start
a
project
getting
going
on
revitalization
of
this
Gateway?
Otherwise
this
would
be
another
delay
and
another
delay
and
another
delay
with
the
expectation
that
something's
going
to
change
well.
AX
R
Yes,
Mr
Mayor.
This
was
my
intention
when
the
at
the
community
development
and
if
anyone
was
on
there,
this
they'll
tell
you
that
I
said
to
the
committee
we're
not
going
to
leave
here
till
something
is
approved
to
start
something
for
West
Ashley
and
that's
what
I
said
and
that's
why
I
had
a
three-hour
meeting
and
everyone
came
to
that
Mike.
Who
was
there
I?
Let
them
speak
at
citizen
participation
every
last
one
I
think
it
was
30,
30
people
or
30
something
people
every
last
one.
R
So
why
I'm
going
to
spin
my
wheel
with
something
that
is
already
boarded
down
and
is
dead
unless
someone
from
the
building
side
bring
it
back
up
and
nobody
was
going
to
do
that
at
the
time.
So
I
had
to
move
move
forward
with
something
else
and
in
my
mind,
I
said
if
we
get
started
with
something,
that's
not
saying
that
you
couldn't
do
the
rest
of
it
there
too,
but
get
started
with
something.
That's
so
West
Ashley
that
be
a
serious
but
doing
something
getting
something
started
and
even
doing
the
municipal
building.
R
If
that's
what
they
want,
then
you
still
can
look
at
still
putting
businesses
there
at
the
same
time,
but
not
leaving
that
committee
meeting
with
nothing
at
all
and
say:
oh,
we
just
came
in
a
meeting,
but
we
didn't
get
nothing
done,
because
people
said
that
it
was
going
to
die
and
I
and
that
didn't
burn
me
up
but
I
didn't
say
anything
because
you
know
how
I
get
I'm
good
I
get
very.
Very
well!
That's
all
right,
but
this
is
the
way.
I
am
I'm
serious
about
things.
R
I
do
I,
don't
play
games,
I'm,
very
serious,
because
why
I'm
too
old,
probably
but
I'm,
very
serious
about
it?
You
know
all
you're
sitting
around
here.
My
kids
are
willing.
You
all
man
come
on
people
and
I
taught
them
better
than
that
too.
Be
serious
about
things
you
know
we
have
to
move
on
and
sometimes
we
have
to
move
on
slower.
You
can
see
how
the
City
of
Charleston
is
moving
with
the
people
in
the
community
moving
slow,
but
it
gets
done.
Things
get
done,
West
Ashley,
you
all
live.
R
West
Ashley
I
got
people
living
web
stats
to
over
100
years,
still
in
West
Ashley
on
every
street
I'm
going
to
talk
about
this
in
West
Ashley
and
they
call
me
the
same
thing
and
I.
Don't
play
your
mind
to
them,
sometimes
with
some
things,
because
what
they
said
what
they
want
is
that's
not
what
they
need
to
get.
It's
a
neat
thing
here
we
had
to
get
something
started:
Far
West,
Ashley
I
was
here
when
that
Piggly
Wiggly
was
gone.
When
that
Piggly
Wiggly
was
there
too
Adam
and
we
got
it.
R
I
was
sitting
right
here.
It
looked
like
a
dump,
you'll
drive
by
it
all
the
time.
It
looks
bad
for
West
Ashley
people
looking
at
it
driving
look
what
the
City
of
Charleston
got
here.
It
looks
bad.
So
if
something
is
going
in
with
the
municipal
building
and
while
they're
doing
the
municipal
building,
this
took
a
look
around
and
still
see
how
they
can
put
shops.
In
the
same
time,
this
is
not
saying
we're
not
going
to
do
any
commercial.
R
That's
not
what
the
way
I
thought
about
it.
Getting
it
approved.
That's
not
what
it
was
all
about.
Getting
something
started,
get
something
started
when
you
get
something
started
and
you
get
to
the
end.
But
if
you
never
get
started,
you'll
never
get
to
the
end.
You're
going
to
talk
about
next
year.
I
don't
play
politics.
R
I
can
give
a
hoot
with
politics.
Doesn't
matter
to
me,
don't
play
politics
with
people
like
don't
play
politics,
my
game,
because
when
you
play
politics
with
me,
you
got
a
problem
with
me.
I'm
gonna
tell
you
that
now
do
not
play
politics.
I'm
not
running
for
dog
catcher.
Now
and
I
told
you
all
that
before
I'm
not
running
for
nothing,
and
that
was
sitting
here.
What
almost
20
years
and
people
know
the
way
I
am
in
this
community
I'm
out
in
this
community
one
or
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
R
I'm
out
in
the
community,
half
of
you
all
I,
don't
think
you're
out
there
in
that
street,
like
that
people
are
getting
sued
up
by
whatever
happened,
I'm
out
there,
so
I
know
what's
happening
in
the
community,
we're
stashley
I'm
driving
West.
Lastly,
North
Sherwood
Ashley,
Hall
Plantation
I'm,
all
over
those
places
too,
because
all
my
family,
the
ball
in
those
places
peninsula.
R
R
Because
I
don't
play
games,
it
could
be
a
play
games
with
me.
Then
let
me
be
good
nice,
that's
what
I'm
saying,
let
me
be
Godly
like
I'm
always
trying
to
be,
but
I
don't
play
games
period.
Politics
running
for
re-election
and
running
for
this
I
could
care
less
about
that.
The
people
know
what
you're
doing
they
elect
you.
These
seats
we
are
sitting
and
don't
belongs
to
us,
belongs
to
the
people
in
the
community.
B
You,
sir,
so
so,
if
I
may
add
a
couple
of
comments,
a
lot
of
discussion
here
this
evening
has
revolved
around
playing
West,
Ashley
I.
Think
it's
a
wonderful
plan.
B
B
We
have
a
comprehensive
plan
from
the
city
of
Charleston
that
sets
a
very
broad
outline
of
zoning
and
what
the
intent
for
the
future
of
our
city
is,
and
then
we
we
drill
down
a
little
bit
on
things
like
the
downtown
plan
and
the
bike
ped
plan
and
the
West
Ashley
plan,
West,
Ashley
and
and
all
these
plans
have
good
ideas
as
conceived
at
the
time
that
the
plans
are
done,
but
they're
not
they're,
not
like
construction
documents
that
you
necessarily
you
know
build
out
exactly
what's
in
the
plan
and
I
mean
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
bike
lane
later.
B
The
bike
pad
plan
recommends
Saint
Phillips
Street
rather
than
King
Street.
So
you
know
we
might
may
or
may
not
do
something
different
than
that.
B
A
lot
of
great
comments
about
our
real
estate
approval
this
evening
about
the
land
swap
with
the
lime
houses
and
that
it
came
right
out
of
the
book
of
playing
West
Ashley.
Well,
there
were
actually
two
options
here:
one
we're
doing
the
other
we're
not
doing
so.
B
You
know
it
kind
of
depends
on
what
happens.
Sometimes,
when
you
do
a
planning
document,
it
so
happened
that
we
were
finally
able
to
successfully
get
the
lime
houses
to
agree
to
an
option
that
led
to
the
the
upper
scenario
option.
One
on
here
not
option
two,
so
I
I
go
back
to
this
page
here
of
consideration
for
this.
This
general
area
of
Sam,
Rittenberg
and
Old,
Town
Road
and
even
paragraph
B,
that's
so
highly
touted
here
that
what
y'all
are
proposing
an
option
for
meets
plan,
a
paragraph
B.
B
Well
all
the
options
meet
this
part.
Future
use
of
this
site
should
benefit
the
community
and
given
the
prominent
location,
positively
contribute
to
West,
Ashley,
identity
and
I.
Think
really
any
of
the
four
options
that
have
been
before
us
would
accomplish
that.
B
B
So
are
we
following
the
plan
when
we're
building
on
the
full
site
that
never
got
truncated
because
the
intersection
Improvement
never
occurred,
then
it
goes
on
to
say
parking
which
could
include
a
parking
structure
either
above
ground
or
below
ground.
But
both
are
a
parking
structure.
Is
right
here
in
paragraph
B.
Are
we
following
the
plan?
If
we
don't
have
a
parking
structure,
it
mentions
it
right
here
in
paragraph
B.
B
B
Thankfully,
the
county
improvements
that
are
still
anticipated
or
well
covered
in
paragraph
C,
Street
beautification,
better
sidewalks
crosswalks,
so
so
that's
kind
of
going.
According
to
the
plan
who
paragraph
d
I
mean
you,
you
limit
yourself
when
you
say
that
oh
this
can
only
apply
to
the
private
property
that
we
don't
own
or
control
that
envisions
new
buildings
that
hold
a
variety
of
uses,
including
retail
entertainment,
destinations,
workplaces.
B
That's
what
we
were
providing
on
two
more
Street
and
I
know:
y'all.
Don't
want
me
to
re-advocate
for
option
one
but
I.
Just
gotta
mention
that
it
already
had
its
drb
approval.
It
was
ready
to
go
to
go
to
the
next
stage
of
Divine,
Design
and
final
development.
We
had
a
price
tag
on
it,
talk
about
moving
forward
and
making
something
happen,
boy
that
was
the
ticket
to
making
something
happen.
It
was
to
move
on
forward
with
option
one
that
considered
that
the
intersection
improvements
never
got
done,
that
the
property
size
never
got
reduced.
B
So
they
you
got
to
have
a
little
interpretation
when
you
have
a
plan,
it's
not
a
construction
document.
I
respectfully
would
still
support
option
one
and
would
would
appeal
to
the
heart
of
anyone
who
voted
against
it
to
bring
it
back
to
us
this
evening.
That's
not
likely,
but
you
know,
I
got
I
got
to
tell
you
that
to
do
option
four
without
having
that
perimeter
buffer,
if
you
will,
by
building
a
building
down
along
Sam
Rittenberg
and
partly
down
Old
Town
Road,
to
protect
the
Green
Space.
B
I
I
noted
this
similarity
many
times
with
the
plans
of
option
one
or
option
two
for
that
matter,
with,
with
the
workshop
up
on
Upper
King
Street,
how
families
love
to
go
there
and
I
think
our
West
Ashley
citizens
were
calling
for
that.
In
addition
to
the
thousands
that
gathered
for
plan,
West
Ashley,
similar
numbers
gathered
just
in
the
formation
of
the
plan
to
get
us
to
option
one
or
two
in
the
first
place.
Really
the
only
difference
was
how
we
were
going
to
park
it.
B
But
if
you
go
to
option
four,
in
my
view,
you're
going
to
have
open
space,
that's
open
to
two
busy
highways
I,
don't
think
it'll
get
the
vibrancy
the
activation,
the
the
economic
revitalization
that
we
were
all
seeking
as
outline
and
plan
West
Ashland.
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
I
I'll
be
brief,
the
hours
late,
but
it's
it's
no
secret
I've
been
around
since
the
beginning
of
this.
It's
no
secret
that
I've
been
a
skeptic
of
this
whole
process.
From
the
very
beginning,
I
voted
against
buying
this
property.
Yes,
I
think
we
should
sell
it.
I've
always
thought
we
should
sell
it
to
Landmark
or
someone
else.
We
own
the
land
we
own
the
zoning
we
control
some
of
the
public
infrastructure
monies.
We
can
put
deed
restrictions
on
there.
Q
We
can
do
all
those
things,
get
a
really
great
development
for
West
Ashley
and
put
it
back
on
the
public
on
on
the
private
schools.
That
being
said
here,
we
are
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor
to
basically
send
this
to
our
internal
team,
to
sort
of
rethink
this
with
the
directive
to
include,
but
not
limit
it
to
Civic
space
right,
there's,
no
limitation.
That
can
only
be
Civic
experience
and
my
understanding
and
again
Julia
sorry.
Q
But
if
we
vote
in
favor
of
the
motion,
that's
on
the
floor,
which
effectively
to
send
it
to
our
team
to
go,
rethink
it
consistent
with
all
the
things
we
talked
about.
Will
that
kill
the
mou
I
mean?
Is
the
mou
dead
at
that
point?
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
really
a
big
part
of
this.
Where
are
we
with
this
mou
and
before
we
vote
on
this
and
kill
the
mou,
we
probably
ought
to
hear
from
landmark.
Q
They've
got
a
huge
stake
in
this
they've
got
years
and
lots
of
money
in
it
option
one
is
dead,
let
it
be
heard
around
the
land
option.
One
is
dead
mayor,
sorry,
it's
dead,
so
coming
out
of
councilmember
Mitchell's
committee
with
everybody
on
this
Council
participating
and
the
public
participating
I
think
what
he's
asking
is
for
us
to
go,
rethink
it
right.
That's
the
motion
and
all
options
are
on.
The
table.
F
BA
We
have
look-
and
this
is
this
is
I-
would
like
just
to
make
comment.
If
I,
can
we
put
a
lot
of
time
into
this
and
I
know
we
all
have,
and
so
look
Landmark
cares
about
this
community
Landmark
cares
about
this
project,
we're
working
under
your
guidance
to
do
what
you
would
like
us
to
do,
and
so
we
would
like
to
see
this
through.
BA
So
what
that
looks
like
is
up
to
it's
up
to
y'all.
So
with
that
we're
willing
to
help
you
find
a
way
to
get
this
done
for
the
community
of
West
Ashley.
However,
that
looks
so.
AZ
BA
Then
you
know
if
it's
decided
to
put
back
on
the
street
and
go
through
the
RFP
process
again
or
or
I
mean
again
wait
for
staff
to
put
something
together
again,
we
would
have
to
make
that
decision
at
that
point,
but
you
know
we
are
amenable
to
to
listening
to
and-
and
you
know,
responding
to
whatever
you
would
like
us
to
do
and
within
the
limitations
of
what
we
can
do-
we're
willing
to
help.
You
find
a
way
home
on
this,
but
other
than
that
I,
don't
know
how
else
to
answer
that
question.
F
B
BB
C
Yes,
the
emotion
on
the
floor
is
what
was
reported
out
from
Community
Development
and
what
they
approved
was
to
look
at
plan
West
Ashley
and
develop
an
option
for
a
Civic
Center
in
Green
Space
and
work
on
improving
the
Gateway
at
Northbridge
down.
Sam
Rittenberg,
and
the
motion
on
the
floor
tonight
was
to
send
it
to
staff.
C
BB
B
BC
O
I
AZ
Nay
and
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote
as
well.
I
think
this
is
a
vague
unclear
motion.
I
think
it
risks
the
city
having
to
pay
Landmark
about
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
very
near
future
and
I'm
against
this
plan,
because
I
can't
imagine
ever
telling
my
wife
and
my
one-year-old
daughter
that
we're
going
to
go
have
movie
night
at
the
suicide
merge.
Thank
you.
AU
B
Going
to
vote
no
and
I
sincerely
don't
believe
that
this
is
the
best
path
forward
for
West
Ashley.
C
The
motion
carries,
the
vote
was
I
believe
we
had
eight
in
favor.
We
have
one
who
is
absent
and
then
we
had
four
against.
AV
Pardon,
oh
yes,
excuse
me
Human
Resources.
Let
me
make
sure
I'm
there.
F
A
AV
AV
The
first
is
our
just
normal
Staffing
update
and
that
the
data
shows
that
we
are
trending
in
the
right
direction,
but
the
bigger
part
of
our
our
meeting
on
our
agenda
on
the
new
business
was
approval
of
the
2024
proposed
Health
Care
budget,
and
we
voted
unanimously
to
support
the
budget
as
submitted
by
by
staff
and
I,
can't
recall
the
exact
amount
but
I
think
it's
around
23
million,
but
mayor
I
think
about
around
23
million
dollars,
and
the
committee
voted
unanimous
unanimously
to
support
the
budget.
AV
We
did
have
an
executive
session.
No
actions
of
votes
were
taken
in
our
executive
session,
so
I
would
ask
this
body
to
support
our
vote
unanimously
to
prove
the
proposed
Health
Care
budget.
Second,.
AU
AV
AX
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
the
Committee
on
Public
Safety
Net.
Yesterday,
if
you
read
the
newspaper
or
watch
the
news,
you
would
know
that
we
had
a
report
on
the
update
regarding
the
chief
of
police
search.
AX
K
cross
gave
us
an
a
report
we
have
using
for
the
third
I
think
this
is
the
third
time
Perth
they
put
out
the
the
application
process
on
open
it
on
June
30th
and
it
closed
on
July
31st,
34
applicants,
four
from
South
Carolina,
representing
19
different
states,
two
female
applicant
stories,
African-American
applicants
as
well,
so
the
process
will
start-
hopefully
maybe
in
September
or
maybe
later
in
October.
AX
After
our,
where
whittles
down
the
number
of
these
applicants
to
a
number
between
five
and
six,
we
will
engage
the
community
as
we
go
through
the
interview
process
like
we
did.
It
seems
like
almost
yesterday
when
we
did
it
with
Chief
funnels,
including
CPAC
Park
and
other
stakeholders,
to
take
part
into
this
whittled
down
and
interview
process,
so
stay
tuned,
we're
moving
forward
with
that
and
making
a
lot
a
lot
more
progress
and
I
had
anticipated.
So
it's
all
very
good
news
regarding
the
update
on
the
chief
of
police
search.
AX
The
second
item
is
that
we
got
we
passed
the
resolution
on
item
B1.
This
is
just
the
NIMS
and
do
we
have
has
been
with
us
tonight.
I,
don't
think
so.
So
Ben
make
sure
that
we
were
just
in
compliance
with
the
approval
of
this
resolution
called
Nims
resolutions
about
a
system
that
we
have
that
that's
consistent
throughout
the
country
that
passed
unanimously
and
then
he
gave
us
an
update
on
where
we
were
with
our
resources
in
the
event
of
another
storm
coming
in
in
our
direction.
AX
We
then
had
our
school
resource
officers,
we've
already
voted
on
this
at
our
ways
and
means,
but
our
for
the
Charleston
County
School
District
resource
officer
agreement
and
an
agreement
with
the
child,
Charter
School
for
Math
and
Science
that
those
also
were
approved
unanimously
and
the
police
department
approval
for
the
James
Island
charter,
high
school
resource
officer
that
was
approved
unanimously
as
well,
then,
in
agreement
with
the
law
enforcement
assistance
with
the
Charleston
County
Sheriff's
Office
that
was
approved
unanimously,
and
then
the
approval
to
accept
an
award
for
four
thousand
dollars
to
address
and
combat
underage
drinking
through
the
Ernest
F
Kennedy
Center.
AX
That
was
approved
unanimously
and
then
two
items
with
the
fire
department
approval
to
accept
a
2021
State,
Homeland,
Security
Grant
and
the
amount
of
Sixteen
thousand
four
twenty
five
twenty
six
and
another
to
accept
the
2022
State
Homeland
Security
Grant
in
the
amount
of
fifty
seven
thousand
one.
Ninety
one:
seventy
for
Low
Country
Incident
Management
team
that
was
also
approved
unanimously.
AX
Then
we
also
proved
approval
to
submitting
application
for
the
Edward
Byrne
Jag
grant
for
fifty
two
thousand
dollars
the
outfit
the
K-9
unit,
and
then
the
police
department,
approval
of
agreement
between
the
city
and
MUSC
for
wellness
and
resilient
Services.
AX
That
was
also
approving,
as
so.
That
was
why
I'll
report,
Mr,
Mayor
and
I
would
move
that
we
adopted
so
as
stated
any.
B
O
Had
a
discussion
on
expansion,
the
expanding
the
peninsula
perimeter
protection
wall,
advisory
committee
by
adding
one
Community
stakeholder
from
Daniel
Island,
West,
Ashley,
James,
Allen
and
John's
Allen
discussion
was
good
Hardy.
Nobody
was
against
it
and
we
just
brought
that
forward
for
a
discussion
at
Council,
hopefully
by
our
next
meeting,
which
is
about
a
little
better
than
three
weeks
from
now.
It
may
as
well
as
council
members
can
suggest
people
and
then
hopefully
will
vote
to
expand
the
committee,
but
there's
some
I
guess
wordsmithing.
O
B
Thank
you
and
we
plan
to
update
that
ordinance
and
make
some
changes
to
it
looking
over
Julia,
but
we
do.
We
did
agree
at
Public
Works
yesterday
to
amend
the
composition
and
expand
the
composition
of
the
peninsula
perimeter
protection
advisory
committee,
so
I
think
there's
an
ordinance
or
some
some
matter
that
rules
that,
if
y'all
come
back
with
some
recommendations,
yeah
gotcha,
okay,
next
up
is
our
committee
on
traffic
and
transportation
council,
member
seekings.
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
Thank
you,
fellow
council
members.
Thank
you,
King
Street
team
for
hanging
in
there
and
bike
ped
team
for
hanging
in
there
on
a
long
meeting.
So
this
is
a
report
out
from
a
special
meeting
that
we
had
of
TNT
last
week,
I
think
or
the
week
before
and
a
report
out
from
the
meeting
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
We
had
in
July.
Q
First
a
piece
of
business:
we've
been
talking
about
and
debating
an
ordinance
that
has
been
championed
by
council
member
shade
for
West
Ashley
and
commercial
vehicles.
That
ordinance
has
gone
through
a
number
of
changes,
definition
changes:
it's
been
paired
down,
it's
manageable
and
we
at
the
committee
believe
it
to
be
manageable.
It
is
not
a
matter
for
TNT
anymore.
It's
a
matter
for
the
Planning
Commission.
Q
So
at
our
special
meeting
last
week
we
voted
unanimously
to
send
the
revised
version
of
that
ordinance
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
its
consideration
and
I
believe
that
this
Council
would
have
to
vote
to
approve,
prove
that
to
get
it
to
the
Planning
Commission.
So
I'd
move
that
at
the
beginning
of
my
report,
so
it
doesn't
get
lost
in.
What's
about
to
fall
right.
B
B
Q
Q
Right
great
well
welcome.
So
just
by
way
of
background,
what
this
is
is
an
undertaking
by
the
scdot,
based
on
Federal
grant
Monies
to
look
at
discrete
places
in
certain
areas
of
this
of
South
Carolina
at
Road
Safety
improvements
that
can
be
made
and
they
chose
for
reasons
of
metrics,
among
other
things,
Downtown
Charleston
and
the
corridors
of
King
Street,
Meeting,
Street,
Calhoun,
Street
and
Saint
Philip
Street.
The
reason
it
was
chosen
and
by
the
way
before
I
get
too
far
down
the
road
here.
Q
I
know
that
the
dot
is
here.
They've
been
sitting
here
all
night
long,
Brent,
Dylan,
Mr
Dillons
here
Mr
Smith
is
here
and
Miss
meets
this
year,
so
they've
been
paying
close
attention.
They've
been
all
our
meetings.
They
came
to
all
the
special
meetings,
so
they
undertook
this
audit
and
study
because
those
corridors
were
identified
as
dangerous.
Q
They
have
been
some
incidents
in
those
corridors
and
by
the
way-
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
you
all
the
experts,
but
the
majority
of
those
incidents
have
involved
vehicles
and
pedestrians,
pedestrians
and
the
bulk
of
the
improvements
that
have
been
suggested
by
the
dot
which,
by
the
way,
was
as
a
result
of
work
done
by
their
consultant,
are
to
improvements
to
make
pedestrian
intersections
and
crossings
safer,
and
we
got
it
on.
We
got
to
do
it.
There's
no
question
about
it.
Q
Among
the
things
that
came
in
the
recommendations
included
in
there
was
Calhoun
to
Broad
Street
King
Street,
some
recommendations
for
reconfiguration,
which
included
but
was
not
limited
to
changing
the
lane
configuration
and
putting
the
afore
said
bike
lane
in
this
is
not
a
bike
study.
It's
a
road
safety
study
when
it
got
into
the
hands
of
the
city
and
by
the
way,
the
dot
followed,
all
the
all
their
standards
and
all
the
things
that
they
do.
They
did
have
public
comment
that
was
during
covid.
Q
It
was
at
a
time
where
we
weren't
all
Necessities
engaged
as
we
might
have
been,
and
there
was
some
participation,
perhaps
not
as
much
as
we'd
like
to
see
it
got
into
the
hands
of
the
city.
Among
others
me
I
know
got
in
the
hands
of
the
mayor.
We
looked
at
it.
Q
The
thing
that
we
have
referred
to
and
the
thing
this
Council
has
taken
some
heat
on
for
not
implementing
it
fast
enough.
It
wasn't
necessarily
consistent
with
that.
We
called
for
Saint
Phillips
Street
to
be
a
bike
Boulevard.
We
called
for
King
Street
to
have
traffic
calming
not
to
have
bike
Lanes
on
it,
sir,
we
went
back,
they
took
a
look
at
it.
Q
They've
come
back
with
some
other
options,
it's
frankly
a
little
bit
of
a
white
hot
mess
right
now,
it's
hard
to
tell
exactly
where
we
are,
but
I
want
to
report
this
out
from
the
public
hearings
we've
had
from
the
engagement
with
the
businesses.
There's
disagreement
about
first
and
foremost
whether
or
not
what's
out
there
proposed
right
now
is
the
safest
way
we
can
do.
This
is
consistent
with
safety
and
consistent
with
both
a
safe
view
of
the
world
and
long-term
viability
of
those
corridors.
Q
Now,
look
I
sitting
right
here
right
now,
like
with
anybody
else,
got
no
friends
to
reward
no
enemies
to
punish.
We
all
around
here
have
a
couple
things.
We
do
we're
single
member
districts.
We
swore
enough
right
if
those
in
our
district
want
us
to
do
something.
It's
not
illegal,
immoral
or
unsafe.
We're
bound
to
do
it,
even
if
we
might
not
agree
with
it
and
in
districts
eight
and
district
one
for
those
who
come
out
to
all
these
public
meetings.
Q
I'm
going
to
tell
you
right
now
in
District
8,
which
includes
a
good
bit
of
the
King
Street
Corridor.
If
we
put
this
to
a
referendum
and
a
vote,
it
would
not
be
close,
it
would
not
be
close.
They
would
vote
to
do
this
on
Saint
Philip
Street
rethink
King
Street
and
get
after
pedestrian
safety
all
right.
So
all
this
we've
come
to
city
council.
It's
overwhelming
support
for
this,
not
in
District,
8
and
I
suspect,
not
in
District
One
King
Street
is
a
split
District.
Q
That's
not
the
end
of
the
story,
because
I'll
tell
you
from
my
perspective.
It's
always
the
right
time
to
do
the
right
thing.
Safety
is
always
Paramount
and
we
can
do
this
safely
and
we
can
do
this
the
right
way
and
find
me
for
this.
Damn
it
we're
going
to
I
think
it's
five
bucks,
but
I
brought
100
with
me
tonight,
because
I
think
I
might
I
I
think
I
might
swear
a
few
times
before
this
is
all
over.
So
here's
where
we
are
and
then
I'll
sort
of
follow
up.
Q
This
came
to
our
committee,
oh
by
the
way
before
we
get
to
here's,
where
we
are
a
couple
of
numbers
for
y'all
I
heard
Ms
Zimmerman
ask
about
these
numbers
on
King
Street
on
Friday
the
number
of
pedestrians,
the
number
of
people
walking
up
and
down
the
street,
and
you
heard
it
from
this:
hey
tonight
was
greater
than
thirty
thousand.
It
was
about
thirty
two
thousand.
The
average
number
of
pedestrians
on
King
Street
over
the
course
of
time
is
about
20
to
22
000
post
covet,
it's
very
busy
pedestrian
street.
Q
The
number
of
cars
between
Calhoun
and
Broad
Street
on
a
DOT
average
in
2022.
Look
this
up
today,
Mr
Somerville
help
me
do
this
is
2
900
cars,
so
you
got
30
000
people
on
Friday,
2,
900
cars
and
on
Friday,
with
the
help
of
our
team.
We
went
and
did
a
bike
count
on
King
Street
between
7
A.M
and
3
P.M,
how
many
133
not
an
insignificant
number
but
relative
to
all
the
other
numbers
that
are
out
there.
Q
There's
a
disparity
right,
there's
a
disparity.
What
does
it
tell
you?
King
Street
needs
to
help
those
not
in
cars
and
principally
pedestrians
pedestrians,
and
we
do
this
challenge
in
your
mind.
Everyone
in
these
Chambers
right
now
take
this
challenge
in
your
mind,
you're
walking
down
King
Street,
we've
all
done
it
you're
on
the
east
side,
the
east
side
of
the
road
and
you're
walking
from
Calhoun
towards
broad
towards
briefing
traffic.
Pedestrian
traffic
is
much
like
traffic
everywhere
else.
Q
It
flows
sort
of
in
the
configuration
that
we've
been
accustomed
to
use,
since
we
were
little
kids.
So
if
you're
going
south
you're
on
the
outboard
side,
you're
on
the
roadside
right
I
did
this
today
in
the
heat,
if
you
just
go
from
Calhoun
Street
to
George
Street
in
the
South,
as
you
go
down,
the
sidewalk
forget
the
portion
of
the
30
000
people.
What
do
you
run
into
first,
you
run
into
a
Street
Lamp.
Then
you
run
into
a
fire
hydrant.
Q
Then
you
run
into
a
palmetto
tree
and
then
you
run
into
the
same
and
more
all
the
way
down,
and
then
you
run
into
what
do
we
call
those
things
Jason,
a
big
belly?
What
are
the
dimensions
of
a
big
belly
like
three
and
a
half
feet
by
three
and
a
half
feet
that
sidewalk
isn't
ten,
the
Big
Belly's
taking
up
half
of
it?
So
if
you're
walking
down
King
Street
on
the
roadside
and
you
come
across
a
big
belly,
a
tree,
a
parking
meter
where
they're
not
on
that
side.
Q
On
the
other
side,
a
fire
hydrant
or
any
one
of
the
thousands
of
pedestrians
are
coming
straight
at
you.
What
do
you
do.
Q
Street,
thank
you
you
step
in
to
the
street.
That
is
dangerous.
That
is
something
that
we
need
to
fix.
That
is
something
we
need
to
really
look
at
and
come
up
with
a
plan
to
make
it
better
and
under
this
version
one
of
the
Dot's
plan
you're,
going
to
step
off
that
curb
you're
going
to
walk
into
the
street,
and
you
can
step
right
in
front
of
a
bicyclist,
that's
not
safe!
Q
Is
it
safer
than
what's
out
there?
I
don't
know,
but
it's
not
safe.
It's
not
excellent.
It's
not
Visionary
It's
Not,
Who,
We
Are!
It's
got
to
be
excellent.
You
heard
it
tonight
from
everybody.
King
Street,
regardless
of
where
you
live,
King
Street,
is
an
incredibly
important
place
for
a
number
of
reasons.
The
vision
of
it,
the
actuality
of
it
and
it's
a
place.
People
are
going
to
continue
to
congregate
in
perpetuity.
That's
a
good
thing
and
the
people
who
live
in
that
Corridor
people
work
in
that
Corridor
recognize
and
need
some
help.
Q
They'll
be
the
first
ones
to
tell
you.
You
know
how
I
know
they
know
it
needs
some
help.
They
voted
to
tax
themselves,
an
additional
four
percent
every
year
and
put
it
back
into
King
Street.
That's
how
much
they
care
about
it.
Go
find
anyone
else
in
the
city
go
add
another
four
percent
on
their
tax
bill
voluntarily
on
very
expensive
property.
B
Q
Q
You
so
they're
not
doing
this
because
of
nothing.
They
want
Excellence
on
that
street
too.
I
do
everybody
here
does
and
if
we're
gonna
have
Excellence,
let's
have
an
excellent
plan
for
Mobility
as
well
and
as
we
sit
here
today,
I
don't
believe
we're
there.
So
here's
where
we
are
here's
where
we
are
we've
had
two
meetings.
One
meeting
where
we
as
a
as
a
committee
took
a
vote.
The
vote
was
five
to
nothing.
Q
It
was
unanimous
to
send
to
this
Council
the
second
version
of
the
Dot's
drawings,
which
is
the
single
Lane,
which
I
think
we
can
all
agree.
We're
all
adults
in
this
room
agree
that
that
lane
is
too
wide,
but
we
voted
that
with
the
buffer
and
to
do
everything
in
our
power
to
make
sure
that
the
Saint
Philip
Street
plan
was
implemented
and
by
the
way
the
Saint
Philip
Street
plan
from
the
dot
side
only
goes
as
far
as
George
Street.
The
rest
is
left
to
the
city.
Q
Q
That
was
the
vote
now
here
we
are,
we
haven't
re-voted,
it
I
know,
there's
some
people
rethinking
it,
but
what
I
would
ask
everyone
in
this
room
to
do,
and
particularly
those
who
are
about
to
vote?
Let's
make
this
great
the
deities
here.
We
don't
want
to
put
this
off,
but
we've
got
to
get
it
right
and
there's
certain
questions
about
this
to
me.
Q
If
you
put
the
bike
lane
all
the
way
down,
King
Street,
what
happens
when
you
get
to
the
bricks
you
wanna
paint
them
so
you're
going
to
end
it
it's
going
to
end
right
there
in
the
middle.
If
you
come
down,
St
Phillips
or
you
can
go
two
ways:
much
safer,
much
better,
much
more
accessible,
There's,
No
Interruption.
We
can
then
get
back
around
and
perhaps
use
the
lower
part
of
King
Street.
Q
Lots
of
people
have
said
lots
of
really
smart
things
and
I
I
applaud
everyone
for
coming
out
and
being
advocates.
The
smartest
thing.
Well,
not
there's
lots
of
smart
things
said
the
thing
that
caught
my
ear
tonight
that
I
hadn't
heard
yet
was
Mr
Graham.
When
he
came
and
said,
King
Street
is
not
a
one.
Size
fits
all
Street
and
he's
right
about
that.
The
width
of
it
changes
all
the
way
down.
It
gets
wider
narrower
wider.
This
parking
on
both
sides.
Q
So
the
record
recommendation
out
is
five:
nothing
to
adopt
the
second
version,
which
is
not
the
bike
lane
everything
else
by
the
way,
all
the
other
road
safety
things
which
are
all
really
good
need
to
be
implemented.
AV
Are
we
suggesting
that
South
Carolina
Dot's
first
option
with
the
bipoline?
Are
we
suggesting
that
they
recommended
something
to
us?
That
was
not
said.
AV
Q
AV
You,
okay,
and
if
I'm,
if
I'm
hearing
you
correctly,
what
we
got
from
the
State
Department
of
Transportation
was
not
the
safest
approach
to
use
for
cancer.
I
think
that's
what
I'm
hearing
and
I'm
a
little
disappointed.
If
that
is
the
fact,
the
second
thing
is
to
me.
It
appears
as
though
we're
more
concerned
about
cars
than
people
that
this
is
very
cautionary.
Okay,
the
approach
that
is
before
us
now
is
very
car-centric.
It's
all
about
hearts.
AV
Okay,
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
anything
but
cars
to
me.
If
we,
if
was
there,
suggestion
to
just
shut
it
down
close
it,
okay,
make
it
pedestrian
family
friendly,
okay,
make
it
so
that
our
cyclist
can
get
through
get
rid
of
the
cars,
keep
the
parking
okay
for
any
delivery
or
whatever
okay
shut
it
down.
AV
AV
It
really
is
and
and
I
don't
mean
that,
but
that's
what
I'm
hearing?
Okay!
The
second
thing
is:
okay,
who
then
decided
that
d.o.t's
plan
was
not
the
safest
plan?
Was
it
your
committee,
so.
Q
Q
Okay,
we're
not
saying
we
don't
appreciate
what
the
scdot
did
and
what
they've
done
looking
at
Charleston
to
make
it
a
safer
place.
We
live
here.
We
work
along
those
corridors.
We
see
it
every
day,
if
there's
some
adjustments
that
can
be
made
to
make
it
better
and
consistent
with
long-term
safety.
That
is
where
we
are
right.
We're.
AV
In
the
same
place,
but
I
would
I
would
argue
that
the
Department
of
Transportation,
South,
Carolina
Department
of
Transportation
brings
much
more
expertise
to
the
table,
hopefully,
hopefully
than
we
do,
and
therefore,
whatever
they
recommended
to
me,
I
would
assume
was
the
safest
plan
to
make
sure
that
we
had
cyclists.
AV
I've
never
seen
anything
like
it
and
it
worked
so
perfectly
you
had
calls
you
had
trains,
you
had
buses,
you
had
carriages,
you
had
everybody
just
rolling
in
Perfect
singing
now,
I
didn't
say
anything
about
that
councilman,
but
I'm
just
saying
they
were
they're
perfect.
Why
can't
we
I
mean
on
a
much
smaller
scale?
Why
can't
we
just
make
this
safe
for
all
modes?
AV
B
BB
I've
been
thinking
about
this
and
I
think
about
all
the
cities
that
I've
gone
for
work
and
travel
and
I
think
about
historic
promenades,
where
you
can
walk
down
streets
and
Shop
San
Diego,
Los,
Angeles,
London,
Paris,
San,
Francisco,
Fort,
Lauderdale,
Miami,
Kansas,
City
Chicago.
BB
None
of
those
have
bike
Lanes
in
these
historic
promenades.
They
have
sheriffs,
they
shoot
the
bikes
share
the
roads
with
the
cars
they
have
wide
sidewalks
so
that
people
can
shop
and
they
don't
have
to
duck
into
the
streets
to
get
out
of
the
way
of
one
another.
That
is
what
we
are
missing
here.
We
need
a
wide
sidewalk.
We
need
a
way
to
move
Vehicles
up
and
down
and
in
all
of
these
cities
they
move
the
bike
traffic.
BB
They
have
very
specific
routes
for
bikes
and
and
that's
what
our
people
pedal
plan
does
we
need
very
specific
places
for
the
bikes
to
go.
We
need
very
specific
places
for
pedestrians,
which
includes
wide
side
walks
and,
yes,
we
have
to
get
cars
up
and
down
King
Street.
There
are
people
that
don't
live
on
the
peninsula
that,
like
to
shop
on
King
Street,
my
wife
included.
BB
BB
There's
a
way
to
do
this,
where
I
think
everybody
is
Happy,
but
unfortunately
I
don't
think
it
includes
a
dedicated
bike
lane
on
King
Street
again,
look
at
the
examples
of
all
these
other
cities
that
have
wonderful
pedestrian
access,
Amsterdam
included,
wonderful,
pedestrian
access,
wonderful
bike,
access,
wonderful
vehicular
access,
it
works,
but
again
it's
the
we've
got
to
use
our
plan
that
we've
got
in
place
right
now,
council.
AX
So
I
understand
the
status
of
all
laws.
Today
this
is
a
state
highway.
State,
Road,
correct
and
bicycles
are
allowed
on
that
road.
Correct.
Can
you
stop
prohibit
bar
bicycles
from
coming
down
King
Street.
AX
Just
for
a
special
bit,
so
we
can't
so
thank
you
because
we'll
make
sure
I
was
on
the
right
page
with
it.
So
so
fact
number
one
is
that
if
we
put
a
bike
lane
or
don't
put
a
bike
lane
down,
King
Street
bicyclists
are
allowed
by
law
to
go
down
King
Street.
Now
we
cannot
widen
King
Street
anymore.
It
is,
it
is
what
it
is.
I
mean.
This
is
the
facts
that
would
the
college
we
dealt
with.
We
cannot
change
anything
with
the
width
of
king
of
Kingsley
I
agree
with
council
member
seekinges.
AX
The
number
one
priority
the
number
one
priority:
whatever
we
do
is
Public
Safety,
because
whatever
everything
else,
all
that
falls
by
the
wayside
we've
been
dealing
with
this
issue
of
Public
Safety
on
access
to
our
community.
We
talk
about
this
over
at
the
North
Bridge,
as
we're
trying
to
put
in
a
grant
to
get
a
bike
pedestrian
bridge
over
on
Northbridge.
There's,
not
that
many
people
who
walk
across
a
bike
across
the
North
Bridge.
The
numbers
are
very
low.
If
you
use
that
as
a
criteria,
then
we
would
never
get
anything
done
on
a
fight.
AX
Pedestrian
path
over
the
North
Bridge,
but
we're
trying
because
the
numbers
about
that
and
I
think
Mr
Mayor.
You
were
in
my
office
one
day
and
you
got
a
call
from
your
wife
and
she
either
witnessed
or
came
into
the
aftermath
of
a
person
being
killed,
trying
to
eat
a
bike
or
walk
across
the
Northridge,
so
that
the
numbers
don't
necessarily
dictate
all
that
we
do
or
don't
do
with
a
bike
or
pedestrian
path.
On
our
roadways,
it's
an
important
consideration.
AX
The
second
thing
that
I
want
us
to
consider
is
this:
I
grew
up
on
King
Street,
my
family
had
a
store
there.
Our
stores
there
for
almost
100
years,
anything
that
we
do
in
modifying
pedestrian
Lanes
bike,
Lanes
closing
the
streets.
Whatever
we
do,
we've
got
to
make
sure
we
do
not
screw
up
King
Street
with
the
merchants.
We
cannot
kill
King
Street,
whatever
plan
we
have.
We've
got
to
take
that
into
consideration.
We
in
councilman
Williams.
It
uses
this
term
unintended
consequences.
AX
I've
heard
that
for
the
past
seven
plus
years,
but
that
is
a
critical
component
of
whatever
we
do
bike
lane
no
bike
lane
pedestrian
Lane,
close
it
whatever
we
do,
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
we
do
no
harm
to
the
merchants
on
King
Street.
That
is
a
heart
and
soul
of
our
our
spawn
of
our
economic
engine
is
King
Street.
We
can't
screw
it
up.
AX
It
is
I
heard
this
word
by
several
speakers
tonight.
This
is
chaotic,
I
I,
don't
think
it's
the
chaotic
I
think
it's
a
disaster
that
was
out
there.
AX
The
one
thing
I
I
heard
one
speaker
talk
about
this
I
think
it
was
just
once
we
could
talk
about
this,
maybe
two
or
three
what
is
not
considered
in
this
either
one
of
these
proposals.
What
we
heard
about
when
I
attended
the
meeting
earlier
is
what
we
do
with
delivery
trucks.
I
think
the
number
one
problem
on
which
makes
King
Street
so
chaotic
and
a
disaster
is
the
the
delivery
trucks
and
I
heard
some
of
the
speakers
talk
about.
AX
We
have
a
problem
with
that,
because
some
of
our
stores
don't
have
a
backdoor
access.
They
can
come
to
the
back
door,
make
a
delivery
or
pickup
and
I've
complained
about
this
I've
shown
you
all
pictures
of
this
regularly
delivery
trucks
park
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
road
or
they
park
on
the
right
hand,
side
and
they
block
traffic,
and
it
is
a
hazard
out
there.
AX
Delivery
trucks
are
out
there,
stopping
it
is
Rideshare
Vehicles,
stop
in
the
middle
of
the
road
and
create
a
terrible
hazard
out
there,
and
it's
at
all
hours
a
day.
We
have
no
plan
whatsoever
on
how
to
address
this
issue
of
delivery,
trucks,
loading
and
unloading
and
by
the
way
I
was,
was
brought
to
my
attention
that
we
did
a
another
plan
called
the
Charleston
comprehensive
parking
study
back
in
January
of
2019.
That
specifically
talks
about
addressing
this
issue
about
delivery,
and
if
we,
whatever
change,
we
make
bike
lane.
No
bike.
AX
Lane
14
foot
12
feet
10
feet
whatever
we
do.
If
we
don't
consider
this
issue
of
addressing
this
chaotic
disastrous
problem
with
deliveries,
then
we're
just
listening
in
the
wind.
Quite
frankly,
everybody
we're
not
addressing
one
of
the
core
problems
that
we
have
to
do.
The
comment
I
heard
from
from
councilman
seekings
and
other
folks
out
here,
one
size
fit
all,
does
not
apply.
The
king
should
be
constant,
the
uniqueness
of
the
of
the
width
and
that
narratus
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff
I
can't
do
it
for
anything.
AX
I
can't
vote
for
anything
until
I
know
for
sure
that
we're
addressing
the
parking
component
of
this
and
we're
dressing
delivery
component
of
this.
If
we,
if
we
vote
for
anything
that
does
not
take
into
consideration
of
those
things
and
what
I
said
earlier
about
making
sure
that
whatever
we
do
does
not
have
a
negative
impact
on
on
our
merchants
and
our
business
owners
and
our
property
owners
downtown
I'm
gonna
book
anything
so
I
have
answers
to
those
questions
resolved
because
that's
critical
to
what
we're
doing
over
here.
AX
Finally,
the
other
thing
that
we
need
to
take
in
consideration
is
this:
you've
got
several
streets
North
and
South.
Let
me
talk
a
little
bit
about
meeting
Street
as
part
of
this.
This
plan
in
St,
Philip
Street,
you
got
Saint
Philip
you've
got
Rutledge
Avenue,
you
got
King
Street,
you
got
Meeting
Street
in
East,
Bay
and
Concord
Street,
and
you
got
the
the
streets
that
go
east
and
west
George
Street
Calhoun,
Street,
Line,
Street
and
I
can
go
down
to
the
list.
AX
B
You
so
if
I
may
take
a
few
minutes,
first
I
want
to
repeat
the
thanks
to
the
scdot
to
the
fine
folks.
Are
here:
Caitlin
Metz,
Duncan,
Smith
and
Brent
Dillon
I
think
they're
around
the
corner
there.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
B
Oh
there's
Duncan
over
there,
okay
I,
didn't
know
you
were
over
on
this
side
and
where
did
Brent
get
off
too
he's
back
there.
So
thank
you
for
your
patience
and
working
with
us
and
I
want
to
remind
everyone
that
the
safety
improvements
planned
or
much
more
than
this
one
section
of
King
Street.
It's
all
of
Meeting
Street,
it's
Upper,
King
Street,
it's
Saint,
Phillips
Street
and
these
folks
are
ready
to
get
to
work
and
all
they're
looking
for
now
from
us.
B
Is
this
one
little
piece
of
paper
from
the
city
of
Charleston
that
tells
them
that
we
authorize
the
construction
and
improvements
of
the
force
said
Highway
in
accordance
with
plans
to
be
prepared
by
or
for
scdot,
and
that
includes
these
conceptual
little
drawings.
So
what
the
next
step
would
be
is
they
would
actually
drill
down?
One
size
doesn't
fit
all
they.
They
specify
all
the
way
down
the
street
from
every
parking
space
to
every
loading
zone.
B
What's
going
to
happen
and
that's
when
we
get
into
the
real
kind
of
nitty-gritty,
I
guess
one
you
know
major
component
in
this
section
is
whether
there
would
be
a
bike
lane
or
not
so
now,
I'm
going
to
step
back
for
a
minute,
you
know,
would
have
been
a
lot
of
good
discussion
tonight.
Great
recommendations
about
a
new
vision
and
yeah
council
member
Gregory
in
in
Amsterdam.
They
got
a
lot
of
real
estate.
You
know
those
rights
away
were
60
feet
wide.
B
You
had
room
to
do
all
those
things
we
only
in
one
section,
King
Street,
well
I
got
24
feet.
Is
you
know
so
so
much
you
can
do
and
we've
been
talking
about
the
road
going
on
a
diet
by
you
know
know.
Shifting
from
two
lanes
of
traffic
to
one
I
I
would
concur
with
the
thoughts
of
councilmember
Greg
that,
in
addition
to
Rogue
going
on
diet,
the
sidewalk
needs
to
go
on
a
binge.
B
We
need
to
increase
the
size
of
the
sidewalks
they're
30,
000
plus
pedestrians,
on
a
day
on
King
Street
and
it's
a
shopping
experience
really
for
pedestrians,
so
the
in
the
idealistic
world.
Oh,
why
Charleston
is
so
European
and
so
so
great,
why
don't
y'all
close
down
the
street
and
make
it
all
pedestrian
right?
That
would
that
would
seem
great,
but
you
got
to
get
the
deliveries
to
the
stores
and
and
our
setup
of
the
way
King
Street
developed.
B
You
know
just
didn't
work
that
it
doesn't
work
that
way
they
don't
have
access
from
from
the
rear
and
to
make
deliveries.
So
you
know
where
that's
going
to
me
like
Second
Sunday
really
works,
but
you
can
only
you
can't
do
it
24
7.!
You
do
it
during
specific
times
where
everybody
knows
what
the
rule
of
the
game
is
going
to
be.
You
still
need
to
be
able
to
get
public
transit.
You
still
need
to
want
to
get
bicycles,
but
mostly
we
got
all
these
pedestrians,
but
I
believe
we
can
make
room
for
everyone.
B
So
we're
at
this
juncture.
I,
don't
want
to
hold
up
scdot
any
longer
from
doing
about
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
of
safety
improvements
in
the
overall
Central
business
district
of
Charleston.
That's
important
for
us
to
move
forward,
they're
comfortable
moving
forward
with
what
they
originally
proposed.
The
original
plan
I
have
spoken
to
them
and
if
we
begin
a
new
streetscape
Improvement
for
King
Street,
they
will
work
with
us
and
we
can
really
figure
out
how
to
accommodate,
say
everyone.
B
So
I
talked
to
our
capital
projects
folks
today
and
would
propose
the
council
that,
in
addition
to
approving
this
one
sheet
of
paper,
with
the
existing
dot
proposal,
to
get
them
going
to
further
design
and
and
get
get
the
plans,
I,
guess,
refined
and-
and
remember
everybody
basically
we're
just
talking
about
paint
on
the
street
paint
on
the
street.
B
If
something
didn't
work
out,
you
know
you
could
you
can
erase
the
paint
you
redo
it,
but
what
I
would
propose
is
that
we
approve
to
move
forward
with
a
capital
Improvement
project
of
King
Street,
at
least
from
Calhoun,
to
Market
Street
that
expands
the
sidewalk
that
widens
the
sidewalk
that
would
allow.
B
You
know
us
to
add
Planters
and
trees.
It
would
allow
some
limited
sidewalk
done
in
places
on
King
Street.
It
would
almost
surely
necessitate
that
we
go
to
one
lane
of
traffic,
that's
what's
being
proposed
anyway.
B
It
would
accommodate
either
by
way
of
a
shared
lane
or
a
separate
Lane
for
bicycles
to
be
on
King
Street.
We
would
have
to
add
more
loading
zones
which,
at
the
expense
of
some
parking
spaces
in
order
to
deal
councilmember
shade
with
those
delivery
trucks
and
we're
going
to
have
to
enforce
the
heck
out
of
it,
but
we
got
to
make
more
loading
zones
available
and
then
we've
got
to
enforce
it.
It
can
be
intelligent
that
someone
called
for
this
evening.
B
It
can
be
thoughtful
and
we
could
close
King
Street
more
often
for
pedestrian,
only
use
not
all
the
time
but
as
as
the
community
desired
deliveries
are
still
needed.
B
You
know
the
the
thoughtful
use
of
the
right-of-way
to
increase
the
sidewalks
to
accommodate
thirty
thousand
plus
pedestrians
a
day
on
weekends
and
and
busy
days
just
makes
all
the
sense
in
the
world
to
me
and
and
so
to
move
this
thing
along
I
I
would
I
would
Advocate
that
we
allow
scdot
to
proceed
with
the
recommendations
that
they've
given
us,
with
the
understanding
that
we
start
a
capital
Improvement
project
that
would
improve
and
and
change
with,
everyone's
input
and
advice,
the
streetscape
of
King
Street,
and
and
make
it
more
beautiful
and
more
usable
for
pedestrians
and
for
all
users
involved
and-
and
we
could
do
that,
it
would
take
a
commitment
of
some
Capital
funding
as
well.
B
But
if
we
do
it
on
a
parallel
track
with
the
D.O.T,
we
won't
slow
down
the
needed
improvements.
We
need
for
the
whole
Central
business
district.
So
that's
my
thought
on
councilmember
Brady,
if
I
may
and
then
Parker
and
then.
BC
Gregory,
yes,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
and
I
had
spoken
at
the
traffic
and
transportation
meeting
about
it.
So
I'm
not
going
to
belabor
the
point
because
to
councilmember
seeking
explain
the
hour
is
getting
late,
but
I
would
just
ask
you
to
think
through,
because
I
asked
the
very
sort
of
similar
question.
BC
When
you
look
at
the
two
proposals,
the
original
road
safety
audit
and
the
the
current
one
that
we
would
be
moving
forward
with
the
with
the
one
lane
in
the
original
design
that
had
the
bike
lane,
you
have
cars
in
one
lane
going
down
King
Street,
and
then
you
have
a
dedicated
bike
lane
that
cyclists
would
be
able
to
use
going
down.
King
Street
in
the
one
lane
proposed
the
14
foot
wide
one
lane
proposal.
BC
You
would
still
have
cars
using
one
lane
going
down
King
Street,
but
now
we're
merging
the
bikes
into
the
one
lane
to
go
down.
King
Street.
So
in
my
mind
and
I
am
not
a
not
a
traffic
engineer.
By
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
it
would
seem
to
me
that
that
design
is
inherently
less
safe
than
the
original
proposal
of
having
a
dedicated
bike
lane
going
down,
King,
Street
and
so
I.
Just
ask
and
I
had
said
it
at
the
the
meeting.
BC
You
know
I
I,
the
other
road
safety
audit
stuff
is
absolutely
great,
but
I
can't
vote
to
move
it
forward
for
King
Street,
which
is
you
know,
one
of
the
higher
side
swipe
spots
in
the
city,
knowing
that,
with
the
addition
of
the
bike
lane
going
down
King
Street,
we
gained
four
parking
spaces
and
we
gained
four
delivery
zones,
which
is
what
we're
talking
about
that
King
Street
needs.
More
of
so.
BC
The
original
design
satisfies
some
of
the
concerns
about
the
loading
zones
and
then
it
also
seems
again
I'm
not
a
traffic
engineer,
but
it
seems
inherently
safer
to
have
the
bike
lane
moved
out
and
you
still
have
traffic
getting
to
use
one
lane
on
King
Street.
So
you
know
you
can
vote.
Everybody
can
vote
their
conscience
on
this
one,
but
I
would
prefer
to
not
move
forward
with
it
until
we
have
a
design
that
comes
back.
BC
That
we
can
actually
say
is
the
safest,
because,
maybe
somewhat
cynical
of
me,
but
when
we
say
we
want
Excellence
I
think
we've
acted
on
some
things
tonight
that
are
not
excellent,
I'm.
Sorry,
I,
don't
think
our
track
record
is
amazing
in
that
regard,
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
it
that
we
at
least
have
the
state
come
back
with
something
that
can
be
excellent,
that
we
can
vote
to
move
forward
on.
BC
That
will
keep
everybody
safe
while
allowing
the
businesses
to
have
extra
loading
zones,
because
we
know
that
that's
what
they
would
need.
So
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor,
all.
AU
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I'll,
just
rather
than
beat
around
the
bush
I'd
like
to
just
throw
a
motion
out
there
to
defer
this
item.
I
think
we
have
a
lot
more
to
discuss
and
we
certainly
need
to
hear
I
mean
we
created
the
bid
for
a
reason
we
need
to
hear
from
the
stakeholders
as
well.
We've
heard
from
the
cyclists
we've
heard
from
the
community.
We
need
to
hear
from
the
stakeholders
as
well.
AU
King
Street
is
too
too
critical
of
a
you
know,
an
access
point
for
our
city,
whether
local
or
obviously,
tourists,
but
we
need
to
hear
from
those
stakeholders
and
obviously
we
know
that
you
know
we
need
more
sidewalk.
We
need
a
lot
of
things
on
King
Street,
but
so
that's
my
motion.
All.
O
Thank
you,
Mr
Man
I.
Actually,
what
you
said
sounds
great.
What
councilman
Brady
said
sounds
great,
but
I'd
like
to
see
it
and
that's
why
this
referral
piece,
because
that's
the
first
time
I
heard
about
wine
inside
what
the
plan
is
and
all
of
that
I
mean.
O
That
sounds
great,
but
coming
back
with
this
deferral,
my
understanding
is
that
said:
Phillip
Street
in
Philly,
funded
from
Calhoun
to
from
George
from
George
from
George,
South
and
I
think
that
the
highway
department,
whose
great
Ally
it's
not
coming
up
with
that
I
think
the
city
can
come
up
well.
Are
we
doing
this
deferral
for
King
Street?
Why
not
complete
Saint,
Phillips
Street
awesome
and
a
little
bit
of
funding
to
do?
O
That
is
what
we'll
find
a
way
to
wrestle
that
out
of
Miss
Martin
some
kind
of
way,
so
so
in
that
deferral,
I
just
hope
we
would
include
whatever
would
take
a
complete
the
numbers
that
it
would
take
to
complete,
said
Phillip
Street,
as
well
as
what
you're
talking
about
and
with
councilman
Brady's
talking
Prime.
B
So
if
I
may
respectfully
say
to
do
the
kind
of
planning
for
widening
sidewalks
would
would
take
some
time
and
and
I
would
respectfully
ask
us
not
to
defer
this
matter
tonight,
but
to
move
SCD
Teo
long
they're
going
to
be
a
year
and
a
half
before
they
even
put
put
the
brush
paint
on
the
tree.
Didn't
that
right
that
thereabouts,
so
so
we
can,
on
this
parallel
track,
be
doing
our
Community
engagement
to
to
to
discuss
the
full
right
away,
including
widen
sidewalks
rather
than
putting
this
off.
B
We've
got
too
many
more
important
safety
improvements
that
are
just
waiting
to
be
done,
the
the
crosswalks
at
Calhoun
and
King
and
what
they
Envision
doing
to
make
those
scramble
crosswalks.
Adding
some
left
turn
signals
the
Improvement
of
crosswalks
up
and
down
Meeting
Street
Yahoo
those
things
we
can.
We
can
move
ahead
on
that's
my
opinion
at
least
councilmember
Parker.
AU
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
and
I
I
will
just
clarify,
since
you
know,
I'm
not
a
fan
of
deferrals
either,
but
since
I
made
the
motion
I
think
here,
I
certainly
don't
want
to
see
it
go
very
long,
but
I
think
that
there
is
a
lot
that
needs
to
be
clarified
in
in
our
traffic
and
transportation
meeting
I
for
one
I'm
hearing
from
scdot
that
we
can.
AU
If
we
move
forward
with
this
agreement,
we
can,
and
ultimately
you
know
narrow
that
roadway,
but
I
I,
don't
feel
like
everybody
thinks
that
that's
real,
that
this
conceptual
design.
If
we
move
forward
with
this
agreement,
that
these
this
conceptual
design
is
what
it
is
so
I
know,
I
I
feel
that
confusion
not
just
from
members
of
counsel
myself
but
other
stakeholders
as
well
and
citizens.
So
that
is
the
reason
for
the
deferral.
The
main
reason
for
the
deferral
is
I
just
feel,
like
sure.
AU
Q
Right
would
anyone
else
I'd
be
here.
What
else
remember
just
very
quickly
I
mean
I
think
all
these
are
really
wise
points.
I
agree
with
you,
Mr
Mayor.
We
need
to
get
this
safety
improvements
done.
The
whole
notion
of
the
few
blocks
that
we're
talking
about
in
King
Street,
with
the
bike
lane
that
can
be
taken
care
of
pretty
quickly
just
with
schematics,
to
see
what
it
might
look
like
with
wider
sidewalk
I
mean
we
can
do
those
dimensions,
and
we
got
to
do
this
quickly
and
council
member
Waring.
Q
Just
so
you
know,
I
mean
we
have
committed
very
publicly
so
everyone's
listening
that
once
the
dot
funding
stops
at
George
Street
that
the
city
is
going
to
continue
that
project
so
and
and
we
we
have
a
pricing
for
it.
We've
already
talked
to
our
Consultants,
it's
300,
000
bucks,
we're
gonna,
go
get
with
Ms
Lorton
and
see
if
we
can
do
that,
we
can
pay
for
it,
if
not
all,
very
good
bit
of
it
with
accommodations
and
Hospitality
money.
So
all
those
things
I
think
we
need
to
come
back
very
quickly.
Q
Take
a
look
at
what
that
schematic.
Look
and
then
vote
this
thing
up
or
down
just
quickly
quickly
and
and
get
it
back
from
and
get
get
the
King
Street
get
them
to
input,
and
then
you've
got
13
people
on
this
table
right
or
wrong.
We'll
we'll
make
that
vote.
Look
I
mean
God,
knows
I,
never
thought.
In
14
years,
in
sitting
at
this
desk,
I'd
be
sitting
here,
trying
to
slow
down
a
bike.
Lane
I
mean
my
God
I
spent
hundreds
of
hours,
arguing
with
council
member
Gregory
about
a
bike
lane
in
Hampton
Park.
Q
If
not
thousands
and
I
still
don't
think
we
won
it
far
enough.
This
is
not
about
being
anti,
it's
being
being
the
safest.
Can
we
do
better?
Let's
find
that
out
and
then,
let's
put
her
on
this
table
to
vote,
there's
been
lots
of
good
points
around
here.
Let's,
let's
do
that
I'm
all
in
favor
of
this
motion
defer
and
getting
to
work
and
bring
it
right
back,
we'll
bring
it
right
back
right
back
after
we
talk
more
with
that
crowd
and
we've
looked
at
dimensioning
out
your
suggestion
lighting
the
sidewalks.
B
I
gotta
just
respectfully,
say:
I,
don't
think
you
can
get
it
right
by
doing
it
quickly
and
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
little
time
to
really
engage
with
the
public
and
talk
about
a
capital
project
that
would
that
would
change
the
sidewalks
of
of
lower
King,
Street
and
and
I.
Just
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
don't
give
them
the
pass
to
go
ahead
with
their
next
step.
Get
this
thing
designed
while
we're
taking
our
time
to
get
it
right,
but
that's
my
opinion.
Councilmember
gray.
Thank.
BB
You
Mr,
Mayor
I,
couldn't
agree
with
you
more
again.
We
are
giving
the
dot
permission
to
move
forward
with
the
design
in
which
we
can
collaborate
with
them.
So
I
mean
there's
no
reason
to
delay
this
anymore.
We've
got,
you
know
a
schematic,
that's
all
what
we
have
right
now
we're
not
going
to
get
anything
more
than
that.
BB
Next
time
we
give
our
city
staff-
and
all
of
us
here
around
this
table
permission
to
move
forward
with
the
dot
to
start
putting
a
real
design
on
paper
and
if
we
need
to,
can
we
amend
the
motion
to
say
that
the
mayor
agrees
to
widen
the
sidewalks
or
something
I
just
like,
let's
stop
deferring
stuff.
Let's,
let's
move
on
wait
another
month
isn't
going
to
do
anything.
AV
It
would
just
be
interesting
to
know
okay,
what
effects
it
would
have
to
shut
it
down
and
make
it
fully
pedestrian,
and
all
this
beautiful,
European
stuff
that
we
were
talking
about.
Okay
I
mean
it
would
be
great
just
to
get
some
sense
of
what
what
that
would
do.
Traffic
wise
in
particular
right
and
as
for
parking
mayor,
I
I.
AV
Just
hope
that
we
remember
that
we
did
put
some
parking
Provisions
there,
where
we,
we
really
relaxed
our
parking
requirement
on
businesses
on
King
Street,
especially
in
that
Corridor,
and
my
question
then,
is
who
will
be
using
the
parking
spaces
since
the
businesses
are
no
longer
required
to
have
X
number
parking
spaces
for
y
and
z,
who
will
use?
Who
will
be
when
you
bring
your
wife
into
shop?
Downtown?
AV
AV
B
To
be
but,
but
since
we
have
metered
parking
still
on
King
Street,
it's
a
disincentive
for
an
employee
to
park
there
all
day
and
have
to
be
feeding
the
meter.
Those
those
spaces
naturally
become
available
to
our
customers.
AV
B
Me,
you
know,
but
you're
still
going
to
have
to
consider
the
real
impact
to
the
operations
of
of
the
businesses.
I.
Think
all.
B
Defer
this
whole
matter,
any
other
questions.
O
Q
AX
B
All
right,
all
in
favor
of
a
deferral,
please
say:
aye
aye
aye
all
opposed
no.
F
A
F
F
B
AO
B
B
I
sign
a
bunch
of
stuff.
X
B
You
explain
to
us
what
we
got
here
in
this
ordinance
regarding
the
commission
on
women.
X
Not
136
members
that
we
are
amending
this
to
reflect
also
there's
a
new
provision
there
that
allows
them
to
contact
outside
groups
outside
interests
to
create
subcommittees
to
provide
input
so
that
they
can
provide
better
recommendations
to
council.
So
we
would
suggest
moving
to
approve
estimated.
T
X
F
B
C
B
Say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it?
Is
there
any
further
business
to
come
before
us
this
evening?.