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From YouTube: City of Charleston Council Meeting - October 22, 2019
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City of Charleston Council Meeting - October 22, 2019
A
B
Councilmember
white
councilmember
Schiele
here
councilmember
Lewis,
councilmember,
Mitchell,
councilmember,
Wagner,
councilmember
Gregory,
here,
councilman
bewaring,
counseled
mercy
Kings.
There
councilmember
shade
councilmember
Griffin,
councilmember
moody,
Councilwoman,
Jackson,
Mia,
Riley
and
councilmember
white.
A
C
Deep
breath
deep
breath,
please
Heavenly
Father
make
each
us
each
of
us
an
instrument
of
your
grace,
weave
us
into
a
community
showing
forth
your
wisdom
and
tenderness,
bless
us
all
and
our
differences
and
support
our
courage
to
stand
together.
We
call
on
you
today
to
gather
us
in
your
Divine
Spirit
lead
us
as
we
lead
protect
us
in
our
children
and
guide
us
down
that
path
of
truth
and
justice
in
the
name
of
Jesus.
Let
us
now
put
forward
an
act
and
the
love
of
God
amen.
The.
D
E
A
Know
most
of
you
all
know
this,
but
just
in
the
event
we
need
to
evacuate
the
building.
These
are
our
two
exits
out
of
this
room
and
there's
a
neck
or
off
the
room
to
my
right.
Do
not
use
the
elevator
in
that
event,
if
we
had
an
emergency
evacuation
but
use
the
two
stairways
and
then
the
single
stairway
out
to
the
front
just
wanted
everybody
to
be
aware
of
that.
So
first
I'd
like
to
do
a
presentation,
a
recognition
of
an
award,
the
2018
green
fleet
award
to
holy
smokes.
A
Our
city,
sponsored
by
keel
program,
I'd
like
to
ask
our
Holies
folks,
bike-share
partners,
Shawn
flood,
and
anybody
on
his
team
with
gotcha
and
Anton
gun
with
MUSC
and
any
of
your
team
members
as
well
as
Landon
masters
and
Benjamin
Kessler,
with
Palmetto
clean
fuels
coalition.
To
join
me
up
here
on
the
podium
for
a
little
presentation
to
let
y'all
know
holy
smokes
is
our
local
bike
share
program,
which
is
a
partnership
between
gotcha
MUSC
and
the
city
of
Charleston.
It
was
recently
announced
as
a
recipient
of
the
2018
South
Carolina's
green
fleet
leader
award.
A
The
award,
which
is
prevented
presented
by
Palmetto
clean
fuels
coalition,
is
an
initiative
of
the
State
Energy
Office
and
given
to
organizations
that
demonstrate
leadership
and
ellic
excellence
in
clean
transportation
and
alternative
fuel
activities
in
South
Carolina.
Additionally,
the
award
recognizes
local
groups
who
acknowledge
the
environmental,
economic
and
national
security
benefits
of
reducing
consumption
of
fossil
fuels
and
who
have
implemented
programs
and
initiatives
to
lower
the
use
of
traditional
transportation
fuels.
A
This
impacts
sea-level
rise
over
the
long
run
y'all
so
as
I'm
sure
you'll,
agree.
Holies
folks
is
certainly
a
deserving
recipient.
I'm
the
partners
up
here
and
I'd
like
to
invite
him
to
say
a
few
word
for
first
I
want
to
share
a
couple
of
numbers
for
2018.
More
than
a
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
trips
have
been
taken
on
holy
smokes
bike.
A
Since
the
program's
launch,
more
than
28,000
members
have
joined
the
program
over
two
hundred
and
thirty-four
thousand
pounds
of
carbon
have
been
reduced
and
one
hundred
and
fifty
four
thousand
dollars
in
vehicle
expenses
have
been
saved.
So
please
congratulate
them
and
first
I'll
call
on
Sean
flood
with
Gotcha
to
come
and
make
a
few
remarks
and
then
Anton
Gunn.
F
G
You
everybody
I'm
Sean
flood
I'm,
the
founder
and
CEO
of
gotcha,
the
operator
and
owner
of
holy
spokes.
We
are
very
excited
to
be
here
as,
as
the
mayor
said,
this
has
been
a
wildly
successful
program
but
its
success,
because
it's
a
true
partnership.
We've
we've,
since
at
gotcha,
launched
50-plus
systems
around
the
country
and
I
used
Charleston
our
hometown
as
an
example
all
the
time
it.
G
And
then
you
look
at
the
the
step
up
by
MUSC
to
really
come
to
the
table
and
fund
the
program
because
it
aligned
with
their
mission
we're
an
example
for
the
rest
of
the
country,
because
I'll
tell
you
as
I
travel
around
all
the
other
cities.
They
don't
all
get
it,
and
this
has
been
a
real
transportation
initiative
and
a
healthy
one
and
a
sustainable
one.
G
For
our
city,
at
a
time
when
we
launched
that
Charleston
I
think
was
voted
the
worst
place
to
cycle
anywhere
in
the
US,
and
we
proved
it
wrong
with
over
a
hundred
and
twenty
seven
thousand
trips
and
that's
not
just
tourists.
That's
that's
residents
of
the
city
of
Charleston
stepping
up
and
riding
a
bike,
so
we're
excited
thank
very
much
for
the
opportunity.
I
will
say.
Hopefully
this
is
just
the
beginning
of
what
we
want
to
do
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
but
thank
you.
A
H
You,
mr.
mayor
councilmembers,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here.
A
lot
of
people
know
my
role
at
MUSC
is
the
chief
diversity
officer,
but
most
people
don't
know.
I
actually
have
a
second
title,
and
that
is
the
executive
director
of
community
health
innovation,
and
that
is
how
we
move
ourselves
as
a
health
system
to
focus
on
the
things
that
actually
contribute
more
to
your
health
outcomes
than
just
the
medical
care.
H
We
are
very
well
and
experts
at
delivering
the
clinical
services,
but
that's
a
small
portion
of
what
actually
determines
health,
your
built
environment,
how
you
exercise
the
emissions,
the
quality
of
the
air
that
you
breathe
in
the
community
that
you're
in
are
important
things
that
impact
your
health
and
so
for
us.
This
partnership
is
a
critical
way
that
we
drive
innovation
as
a
Health
System
to
think
about
help
broader
than
just
getting
services.
When
you
come
inside
of
MUSC,
so
this
partnership
is
critical.
Does
we
hope
to
have
more
partnerships
like
this?
H
It's
been
very
meaningful
us
for
us
to
see
the
amount
of
ridership
the
number
of
people
who
have
been
spending
time
with
holy
smokes
as
a
part
of
this
partnership,
so
we
hope
to
grow
up
and
hope
to
continue
to
invest
in
it.
But
a
big
part
of
this
is
making
sure
that
we
focus
on
the
next
step
is
that
we
got
more
people
riding,
but
we
got
to
focus
on
safety
and
making
sure
that
people
are
safe
as
they
ride
throughout
the
city.
H
As
we
grow
the
amount
of
people
who
have
taken
alternative
modes
of
transportation
to
reduce
emissions,
that
we
continue
to
invest
and
build
a
safe
way
for
them
to
be
able
to
do
so
and
enjoy
all
parts
of
our
city,
and
so
we're
grateful
for
this
partnership
to
the
mayor
and
all
of
your
leadership
for
helping
us
to
do
this
innovative
partnership
and
we
hope
to
do
more
soon.
Thank
you.
I
Evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Landon
masters
and
I'm.
One
of
the
co
coordinators
with
been
here
for
the
Palmetto
clean
fuels
coalition,
which
is
office
of
regulatory
staffs
energy
office
initiative,
is
actually
one
of
over
a
hundred
coalition's
throughout
the
entire
United
States
a
Clean
Cities
coalition.
That's
focused
on
alternative
modes
of
transportation,
reducing
our
dependence
on
foreign
oil
and
using
more
domestic
sources
of
fuels.
Of
course,
taking
you
know
a
bike
and
using
a
bike
share
program,
you
can
see
that
it's
taking
one
vehicle
off
the
road
one
vehicle.
I
That's
not
going
to
be
parking
in
your
parking
garages
in
your
parking
lots.
They
are
taking
a
more
sustainable
form
of
transportation.
So
we
see
that
as
reducing
the
use
of
our
traditional
and
I'll
put
that
in
quotes
transportation
fuels
that
is
changing
ever
so
rapidly
here,
especially
in
our
state,
so
with
also
the
bikes
I
wanted
to
mention
too
that
they're
using
them
for
first
mile
last
mile
trips,
now
there's
folks
that
may
not
have
access
to
a
vehicle
or
they
may
need
some
other
alternative
form
of
transportation.
A
So
I
also
want
to
recognize
Keith,
Benjamin,
y'all,
know,
Keith
I
think
he's
our
director
of
traffic
and
transportation,
who
makes
this
partnership
work
on
the
city,
Inn
and
Anton,
and
all
you
do
for
health.
They
are
a
great
partner
of
the
cities
for
our
health
and
wellness
program,
as
well
as
providing
now
a
telleth
clinic,
a
TV
clinic
at
our
homeless
navigation
Center.
Our
partnership
with
MUFC
is
really
remarkable.
We
thank
you
for
all
you
do
for
our
community,
but
thanks
to
y'all,
congratulations
on
this
award
all
right.
A
So
without
further
ado,
we
have
some
public
hearings
tonight.
I
think
we
have
five
items
for
public
hearing
and
I
would
ask
that
citizens
who
come
forward
to
speak
on
these
matters
stay
on
point
to
the
topic
as
as
they're
presented
and
a
limit
of
two
minutes
for
each
set
of
remarks,
and
if
you
would
give
your
name
and
address
before
making
your
remarks,
that
would
be
great.
Mr.
Morgan
will
introduce
each
item
and
then
we'll
ask
the
public,
if
they'd
like
to
to
make
any
comments.
J
C
A
The
first
is
the
well
it's
part
of
my
public
hearings
as
well,
so
mr.
Morgan
won't
do
this.
This
is
just
a
general
number
one
as
a
general
input
on
our
city
budget
for
2020
for
next
year's
budget.
If
anybody
has
any
comments
they
would
like
to
make
about
our
city
budget,
please
come
forward.
Mr.
Bryant,
you
can
welcome,
go
first,
I.
K
Can't
may
actually
just
foolish
this
reason:
I
on
the
7th
Anthony
G
Bryant
21/3,
Cortland,
Avenue,
Sean
south
of
9
to
9
for
0-3.
Since
1968,
you
acts
that
question
on
October
7th
I
received
from
the
Supreme
Court.
Finally,
Anthony
G
Bryant
versus
Department
of
Education,
and
my
rid
of
cetera
was
denied.
That
was
the
purpose
of
the
work
that
I
was
doing
to
get
that
denial.
So
I
can
talk
about
the
real
issues
within
this
budget
regarding
education.
K
Finally,
in
terms
of
the
budget,
the
planning
enabling
Act
provides
for
Public
Health
Public
Safety
growth
and
prosperity
within
the
budget
spell
DHEC
permitted
provided
permitting
uses
for
the
area,
and
so
in
2001
a
map
was
done
on
the
enterprise
zone.
This
map
was
supposed
to
provide
for
affordable
housing.
All
these
good
stuff
didn't
happen.
K
You
know
call
for
the
question
on
some
issues
wearing
and
who
is
a
21st
century
leader,
in
my
opinion,
in
terms
of
infrastructure
improvements,
the
ports
authority
and
other
entities
who
benefit
greatly
from
my
acuity
and
intended
beneficiaries
of
program
and
activity
that
haven't
benefited.
That's
the
question
the
meat
world
will
that
be
the
conversation
with
the
city
Charleston
to
2020.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
sir.
L
Thanks
I'm
Katie,
Zimmerman,
executive
director
of
Charleston,
Moops
and
I'm
here,
y'all
already
heard
this
from
me
last
time,
but
I'm
just
here,
because
it
bears
repeating
and
because
there's
a
public
hearing
on
it.
The
budget
I
just
want
to
reiterate
the
bike.
Ped
Advisory
Committee
did
put
in
five
suggestions
in
no
particular
priority
order,
but
it's
very
important
that
we
have
your
strong
consideration
of
those
five
items
start
being
included
in
the
with
annual
allocations
each
year.
L
It's
so
important
and
frankly,
I
the
it
was
not
purposeful,
but
the
set
up
couldn't
have
been
better
to
have
mr.
guns
say
what
he
did
about
the
importance
of
infrastructure
and
starting
to
leverage
what
you
all
put
in
to
the
county
government
and
their
requests
having
the
city
have
a
little
bit
of
dollars
to
put
in
to
leverage
against
that
helps,
move
these
things
forward.
Connectivity
and
safety
is
so
important
for
our
community.
You
all
know
this
you've
heard
me
repeat
it
a
billion
times.
M
L
The
five
items
are
an
annual
sidewalk
maintenance
program,
preferably
on
par
with
what
the
city
of
Greenville
just
did.
There
Greenville
is
kind
of
killing
it
you
all
there
they're
really
doing
a
great
job,
also
starting
to
set
aside
some
money
for
the
Ashley
River
crossings,
so
we're
looking
at
the
a
story
of
a
bridge
but
there's
also
the
north
bridge.
That
needs
to
be
examined
in
partnership
with
the
city
of
North
Charleston,
there's
also
the
James
Island
connector
and
there's
also
the
wahoo
cut
and
so
and
separately.
L
Charleston
moves
has
a
package
that
we
can
suggest
to
you
all
to
start
looking
at
and
then
there's
also
the
mobility
manager.
That
I
know
mr.
Benjamin
has
asked
for
in
the
past,
and
that
person
is
very,
very,
very
important
and
also
regular
funding
for
the
low
line
to
get
that
started.
That's
an
important
item
as
well
so
I
think
I
had
devised,
but
I
might
have
left
one
out.
Thank
you.
Thank.
O
Sir
evening
Mill
City
Council
mohammadi
trees,
racism
is
dead
and
we
are
getting
rid
of
the
smell
while
criticism
by
removing
Jessie
Calhoun,
the
architect
of
racism
from
80
feet
in
the
air
between
two
churches
and
burying
it
6
foot
in
the
grave.
We
believe
that
this
will
save
money
in
the
budget
for
the
taken
care
off,
JC
Calhoun,
the
architect
of
racism,
by
removing
him,
and
we
could
take
that
money
that
UI
accent
and
punish
the
wall,
the
police
tissue.
Thank
you.
P
Well,
my
name
is
Tom
Bradford
I
lived
with
18
State
Street
a
couple
blocks
from
here:
I'm,
a
founding
member
of
the
board
of
the
Friends
of
the
low
country.
Low
line
I
appreciate
the
deliberations
that
the
City
Council
and
all
the
members
of
the
staff
as
a
city
are
going
through
to
figure
out
how
this
partnership
is
going
to
go
forward.
P
A
Q
My
name
is
Timmy
Finch,
head
of
at
1:53,
Bull,
Street,
downtown
Charleston
I'm
here
to
voice
support
for
those
five
items
that
Ms
Zimmerman
brought
to
your
attention
with
regard
to
mobility
and
safety
throughout
the
Charleston
area,
as
somebody
who
rides
a
bike
and
walks
and
encourages
other
people
to
do
so
within
the
within
Charleston
and
actually
wherever
they
go.
Safety
is
a
huge,
important
issue
for
me,
as
I
make
my
way
around
the
city
and
throughout
the
low
country.
Q
There's
some
cities
and
some
municipalities
that
seem
to
be
taking
taking
a
better
lead
as
far
as
bike
lanes
and
safety
and
I
think
this
opportunity
to
put
the
money
into
these
initiatives
for
the
city
is
important
and
please
consider
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
R
Deaf
noon
counsel:
my
name
is
Marcus.
Stevenson
I
represent
holy
city,
well-being,
we're
seeking
the
consideration
of
your
community
assistance.
Grant.
This
grant
will
actually
fund
workshops
here
in
the
low
country
around
wellness
activity,
action
plans
that
will
focus
on
trauma,
stress,
depression,
anxiety
and
grief
and
we're
seeking
your
consideration.
This
is
my
colleague
and
boy
member
Lord,
Hale.
S
Good
evening
my
name
is
Lloyd
Hill
I
am
the
assistant
director
of
south
kana
shear,
which
is
the
largest
mental
health
nonprofit
organization
in
the
state
of
South,
Carolina
and
I,
fully
support
holy
city
well-being
and
its
mission
to
bring
the
whole
healthful
and
the
wellness
recovery
action
plan,
information
to
the
Lowcountry.
It's
been
beneficial
to
myself
and
as
I
live
in
my
life
and
I've,
seen
it
help
and
in
my
15
years
of
work
with
mental
health,
all
over
the
state
of
South
Carolina,
so
I
fully
support
that.
T
Hello,
Suzanne
Hardy,
32,
Prioleau,
Street
I
am
a
member
of
the
Unitarian
Church
downtown,
and
also
a
member
of
the
Charleston
Area
Justice
Ministry,
and
on
behalf
of
cajon.
We
want
to
applaud
council
for
their
leadership
in
conducting
the
racial
bias
audit.
We
thank
you
for
that
and
for
leading
our
region
in
funding,
affordable
housing.
Now
we
know
that
additional
funding
is
needed
both
to
implement
the
recommendations
from
the
audit
with
integrity
and
also
to
provide
the
needed
funding
that
needed
money
for
the
regional
housing
trust
fund.
T
Our
community
K
Djem,
really
wants
to
make
sure
those
programs
are
funded
now
on
November
4th
the
evening
before
election
day,
over
600
of
our
people
will
gather
at
st.
Matthews
Baptist
Church
in
support
of
those
efforts.
These
people
come
from
30
congregations,
which
represent
over
30,000
people
in
our
city.
Some
of
you
will
be
there.
We
know,
and
all
of
you
are
invited
now
we're
calling
on
all
of
you
to
allocate
our
tax
money
toward
implementing
the
recommendations
of
the
police
audit
and
also
putting
money
in
the
Regional
Housing
Trust
Fund.
Thank
you.
U
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
council.
My
name
is
Alissa
Leto
and
I'm.
The
director
of
Charleston
pro
bono,
legal
services,
I,
have
come
before
you
past
several
years
to
encourage
you
to
support
Charleston
pro
Bono's
grant
application
under
the
community
assistance
grant,
which
was
submitted
in
July
Charles
on
pro
bono
is
a
legal
aid.
Nonprofit
we
provide
free
civil
legal
age.
That's
gonna
be
landlord
housing,
family
law
estate
planning,
anything
that
is
the
civil
realm,
and
it
is
provided
to
low
income
residents
here
in
city
Charleston
at
no
cost
to
them.
U
In
2017,
this
council
provided
the
seed
money
that
helped
us
start
a
housing
court
and
a
housing
attorney
last
year
in
2018
that
a
housing
attorney
had
a
97
percent
success
rate
on
her
eviction
defense.
So
our
attorney
is
killing
it
and
it's
in
thanks
in
part
to
city
money.
So
in
2018
and
2019
we
utilized
funds
from
the
community
assistance
grant
to
have
outreach
programming.
We
use
these
outreach
opportunities
with
our
nonprofit
partners
throughout
the
city
of
Charleston
to
reach
hundreds
of
residents
on
a
variety
of
legal
issues.
U
We
understand
there's
a
justice
gap
in
this
community.
If
you
don't
have
the
money
to
hire
an
attorney,
you're
effectively
shut
out
from
the
court
system,
and
that's
just
not
fair.
So
what
we
do
is
we
come
in
and
we
provide
educational
opportunities.
Not
only
can
we
respond
when
a
crisis
arises,
but
we
can
also
proactively
address
these
issues.
We
could
have
landlord
tenant
educational
seminars
where
we
explain
to
a
tenant.
This
is
your
lease
document
and
this
is
what
it
means.
U
This
is
what
you
have
to
do
to
request
help
when
we
educate
the
population.
They
are
better
prepared
to
advocate
for
themselves
and
have
more
success
in
defending
unnecessary
and
unmeritorious
claims.
So
again,
I
would
urge
you
to
continue
to
support
Charleston
pro
bono,
legal
services
and
we
service
the
low-income
residents
of
the
city
of
Charleston.
Thank
you
very.
V
I'm
Sylvia
Bell
I
love
that
one
Lennox
Street
I've
spent,
probably
the
last
10
years
riding
my
bike
in
Charleston
and
I've
watched
it
get
progressively
less
safe.
I'd,
really
like
to
see
the
inclusion
of
the
line
items
that
were
mentioned
previously.
That
would
make
cycling
and
pedestrians
safer
in
Charleston
I
think
that
the
projects
like
the
low
line
and
having
a
dedicated
mobility
manager
are
really
important
and
that
they
would
help
bring
Charleston
forward
and
enjoy
some
of
the
economic
and
social
benefits
of
having
safer
streets.
Thanks.
Thank.
A
W
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
first
item
under
the
rezoning
public
hearings
is
the
request
for
an
ordinance
amendment
at
Maybank,
highway
and
boja
cat
road,
which
is
at
present
a
PUD
and
would
continue
to
be
a
PUD.
This
is
an
amendment
to
this
PUD
in
this
location
to
orient
you
to
the
site.
Of
course,
this
is
John's
Island.
This
is
well.
Maybe
big
highway
is
running
east-west
roughly
in
there,
and
boudic
at
Road
is
the
north-south
road
that
curves
around
to
the
top
of
the
property.
W
W
Then
we
have
a
zoom
in
I'm,
going
to
come
back
to
this
one
so
to
the
far
left
is
the
subject:
property,
the
Sea,
Island,
comprehensive
health
care
property
and
the
front
portion
of
that
and
I'll
show
another
image
that
shows
the
exact
portion
of
the
property
that
2.8
acres.
That
is
subject
to
the
change
in
the
PUD,
then
to
the
north
is
the
angel
oak
park.
Llc
ownership
area,
which
is
part
of
the
conserved
areas
now
and
then
to
the
east,
is
the
Lowcountry
open,
land
trust
property
and
then
surrounding
the
angel
oak?
W
Park
is
the
city
of
Charleston
portion
of
the
PUD,
and
of
course
that
is
a
conserved
area.
This
is
the
existing
code.
Pud
that
is
already
in
place
has
been
in
place
for
a
good
while
it
does
allow
for
a
lot
of
residential
development,
but,
as
you
know,
it
was
bought
out
by
these
conservation
organizations
so
that
it
would
not
have
all
of
this
residential
development.
W
W
There
are
also
areas
for
conservation
around
the
angel
oak,
mixed-use
office
and
residential
and
those
are
mostly
taken
up
with
the
conserved
lands,
and
there
would
be
a
10-acre
minimum
of
open
space
which,
of
course,
would
be
exceeded.
The
proposed
amendment
removes
the
general
office
area
on
the
sea
island
site
from
the
plan
now
and
replaces
it
on
2.7
acres
with
a
newly
created
D
r2f
designation,
which
allows
for
an
affordable
housing
development.
There
would
also
be
a
slight
reduction
in
the
buffer
on
may
bank
from
75
feet
to
50
feet.
W
The
overall
residential
units
on
the
site
would
be
unchanged,
but
of
course,
there
was
aren't
they're,
essentially
non
buildable
and
conserved
lands.
Affordable
housing
requirements
are
unchanged,
but
what
would
go
on
the
sea?
Island,
comprehensive
health
care
site
would
go
a
long
way
to
meeting
the
requirements
over
the
overall
PUD
and
the
open
space
requirements
are
unchanged.
W
The
document
that
is
shown
here
you
all
have
in
your
packages
that
shows
the
changes
to
the
PUD
foot
to
that
2.7
acre
area
to
allow
the
72
dwelling
units
on
that
site.
Here
you
see
that
outlined
in
red
the
geo
that
was
there
in
the
current
PUD
that
would
be
replaced
with
this
D
r2f.
That
would
allow
for
the
72
units.
The
rest
of
the
PUD
would
be
unchanged,
and
here
is
a
closer
image
of
the
2.7
acres
and
the
50
foot
buffer.
W
That
would
be
along
Maybank
highway
and
I
just
wanted
to
show
a
couple
of
things
from
our
John's
Island
Community
Plan.
That
shows
that
this
is
in
one
of
the
key
centres
on
Maybank
highway.
It's
also
very
closely
located
to
a
lot
of
other
services
that
creates
a
very
walkable
environment
is
also,
as
in
our
century
five
plan
as
a
location
that
could
be
for
denser
development
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
back
to
this
image.
That
shows
all
of
the
things
that
are
nearby
oops
there
we
go
so
with
the
inner
circle.
W
W
Very
conveniently
located
to
a
lot
of
other
services,
very
walkable
mix
juice
area
is
potential
here.
The
Planning
Commission
reviewed
this
they
recommended
for
approval.
They
did
have
some
conditions
on
that.
You
have
a
memo
in
front
of
you
that
lists
those
conditions
these
off
to
you
again,
and
this
involves
the
PUD
committing
to
meet
the
stormwater
management
requirements
of
the
city.
W
X
Speaking
on
behalf
of
CIO
and
comprehensive
health
care,
I
don't
have
much
dad.
We
were
able
to
get
the
support
of
coastal
conservation
league,
which
is
not
easy
to
get
for
any
type
of
development,
but
we
were
able
to
get
their
support.
We
also
had
this
be
at
least
non
no
opposition,
at
least
from
Lowcountry
Land
Trust,
who
owns
the
land
around
this
project,
which
has
now
been
put
into
conservation,
easements
we're
working
with
them.
X
They
hold
some
of
these
lists
on
this
property
that
were
there
were
established
when
the
PUD
was
down
about
12
years
ago.
We
are,
hopefully
we've
proven
to
them
and
we're
not
gonna
be
damaging
anything
as
far
as
drainage,
we
are
adopting
some
elements
of
the
Dutch
style.
I
participated
in
that
approximately
a
week-long
session
at
the
request
of
the
city
or
volunteered
to
come
in
and
talk
to
people
there.
We
are
very
fortunate:
just
land
is
elevation,
17
and
18
above
sea
level.
It's
in
part
of
Dutch
dialogue
is
develop
on
upper
land.
X
Let
it
work
his
way
down.
We
have
also
were
blessed
with
very
permeable
soils.
I
believe
we've
already
had
the
testing
done
two
soils
that
can
support
percolation
rates
in
the
range
of
10
inches
per
hour.
So
our
goal
is
to
implement,
as
many
things
out
of
the
west
:,
lower
back
development
techniques
for
the
development
of
this
property
and
we're
asking
for
your
support.
Y
Y
Z
Welcome
my
name
is
Leah
burden.
The
administrator
of
Sea
Island
Healthcare,
Corporation,
C
Allen,
has
been
in
existence
for
most
of
you
knows
from
more
than
40
years,
and
its
primary
mission
has
been
always
to
deliver
quality,
health
care
and
Human
Services
to
the
residents
of
CI
of
the
sea
islands
and
surrounding
communities
to
enhance
the
lifestyle
and
living
conditions,
quality,
lifestyle,
American
of
those
residents.
Z
We
asked
for
your
consideration
and
approval
of
this
project.
As
you
know,
we
currently
have
four
to
buy
housing
since
1981
for
the
residency
Island.
Also
for
the
last
40
years
we've
been
providing
for
the
housing.
The
2.8
acres
would
allow
us
to
construct
another
residential
housing
unit
to
enhance
the
services
that
we're
currently
providing
for
the
registered
Cialis.
Z
Also
want
to
thank
those
who
are
supporting
us
and
refuge
too,
especially
with
the
conservation
authority
of
who
supports
us
in
this
project,
and
I
also
want
to
just
polish
do
a
shout
out
for
the
chief
and
his
partners
and
workers,
because
they're
very
supportive
and
in
their
efforts
of
supporting
and
providing
support
for
John's,
Allen
and
John,
solid
wood
housing
and
the
residents
they're
very
responsive
and
I'm
talking
about
the
police
officers.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
L
Are
never
gonna
get
rid
of
me.
Katie
Zimmerman,
executive
director
of
Charleston
moves
several
of
you
know:
I
have
a
long
history
with
this
project,
but
I
just
wanted
to
reinforce
I
think
you
know.
This
is
obviously
a
great
use
for
this
parcel.
L
This
part
of
the
parcel
and
I'm
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
it
was
officially
included
as
a
as
a
condition
of
the
PUD
to
do
pedestrian
access
along
the
frontage
portion
of
Maybank,
which
also
fits
in
with
the
main
overlay
process
that
the
county
and
city
are
working
on
together,
but
I
do
also
want
to
and
I
I,
don't
think
that
it's
possible
to
include
it
as
a
condition
of
the
PUD.
But,
however,
we
can
get
it
done,
figure
out
the
pedestrian
access
across
Maybank
Highway
over
to
the
village
apartments
as
well.
L
I
know
patients
live
over
there.
I
know
a
lot
of
folks
are
on
foot
and
on
wheelchair
and
on
crowd,
trying
to
access
and
get
across
maybank,
it's
a
pretty
dangerous
section,
and
so
whatever
we
can
do
to
figure
that
out
would
be
wonderful
and
Charleston
moves
is
here
to
help
and
anybody
else
who
can
help
would
be
great.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.
A
N
Sir
Jones
island
first
on
the
your
900
units
of
affordable
housing,
isn't
a
part
of
it
right
here
right
now,
yee-ha
yee-ha
72
units.
It
almost
doubles
the
capacity
of
the
sea
island,
affordable,
housing
right
now,
it
might
show
up
with
a
little
money
with
it
been
some
discussions
with
some
folks
up
in
Washington
already
on
this,
maybe
getting
a
little
bit
of
help
and
it
went
through.
They
went
through
Planning
Commission
without
a
without
anything
negative
at
all.
N
AA
AA
Providing
the
affordable
units
that
are
in
a
great
location
both
for
stormwater
design,
as
well
as
the
connectivity
that
everyone
is
hoping
will
continue
to
be
built
along
along
our
travel
corridors.
I
I
would
I
would
ask
that
if
I'm
mr.
Johnson
could
come
and
just
sort
of
speak
to
the
other
request
of
the
conservation
league
that
we
work
hard
to
make
it
more
permanently
affordable.
AA
AB
Good
afternoon
so,
as
Leon
alluded
to
earlier,
they
have
been
in
the
affordable
housing
business.
For
some
time
they
are
pursuing
low
income,
housing
tax
credits
from
SC,
State
Housing,
South,
Carolina,
State
Housing,
the
tax
credits
themselves.
The
compliance
period
is
typically
15
years,
unless
you
have
other
affordable
housing
funds
like
home
funding
in
there
I
know.
AB
This
organization
is
looking
at
a
40
year
time
frame
for
this
particular
development,
and
they
want
to
use
this
based
on
our
conversation
a
few
weeks
ago
to
transition
some
of
the
members,
the
tenants
that
are
in
their
current
development
over
to
this
new
development,
so
that
they
can
begin
to
look
at
a
renovation
and
a
rehab
of
those
88
units
that
are
literally
on
the
opposite
side
of
Maybank
highway.
That
is,
that
have
been
there,
I
think
since
the
early
80s
city
of
Charleston
and
provided
funding
for
that
development
years
ago,
relative
to
infrastructure.
AC
Members
I
know
this:
this
is
a
need
of
needed
project
and
so
far
the
CEO
and
I
know
it
very.
Very
well.
I
had
a
lot
of
family
that
lived
in
those
particular
housing
on
the
only
by
Hardwick
but
see
Arlen
and
I
know.
We
ran
some
problems.
AC
They
had
some
problems
years
and
years
ago,
but,
as
is
here
now,
we
need
to
help
them
fix
it,
because
it's
very
much
needed
like
I
always
mentioned
yours,
hear
me
saying,
but
my
family
on
John's
Island
go
back
350
years,
which
is
just
so
with
our
Island
I
knew
it
very
well
and
which
was
dirt
roads
I
mean
you
have
change
of
whole
lot.
I,
don't
have
change
and
a
lot
of
traffic
is
there,
but
I
remember
it
was
no
super
kinky
boil
in
there.
AC
Cuz
I
still
live
out
there
build
about
there
for
about
two
years,
my
family,
my
mother,
and
probably
live
up
there
for
two
years,
but
the
whole
island
out
there
from
me
buying
highway
all
the
way
down
to
see
Brooklyn
Flea
well
as
my
family,
one
going
down,
but
I
get
rolling,
River
Road,
so
I
know
it
very
well,
but
that's
an
added
attraction.
That's
a
place,
that's
very
much
needed
in
that
area,
so
we
need
to
do
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
to
keep
it
going
as
it
is
because
it's
a
needed
project.
AC
C
W
C
AA
M
Just
want
to
thank
my
colleagues.
They
they
worked
so
hard
with
me
to
bring
me
around
on
this
issue
to
support
this
issue,
so
I'm
I'm
gonna
support
this
issue
with
the
help
of
my
colleague.
Thank
you.
Well,
I,
wouldn't
want
to
say
this
at
the
Planning
hearing.
I
think
one
of
the
exceptions
was
an
8
foot
bike,
pedestrian,
Lane
and
I.
Think
mr.
fosberg
said
they
would
be
able
to
put
that
you
know,
if
allowed
through
the
buffer
zone.
M
A
All
right,
no
further
questions,
I'll
call
the
question
all
in
favor
we
do
we,
we
do
have
a
motion
for
the
ordinance
yeah,
okay,
just
checking
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
odds.
Have
it.
Thank
you,
mr.
Burton,
for
helping
us
with
your
commitment
to
affordable
housing
in
Charleston.
Yes,
sir.
Okay
number
three
mr.
Morgan.
W
Yes,
two
two
five
nine
one
morning:
dove
Lane
and
West
Ashley,
it's
about
a
quarter
acre.
This
is
a
recently
annex
property
annexed
in
September
10th.
This
would
be
part
of
the
PUD,
that's
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood
of
Canterbury
Woods.
Every
time
we
annex
properties
in
this
area,
we
bring
them
into
that
Canterbury
Woods
PUD,
which
is
designed
to
accommodate
those
annexations
and
Planning
Commission,
recommended
six
to
zero
to
bring
this
in
as
part
of
Canterbury
Woods
PUD.
A
J
A
W
A
A
W
A
All
right,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
you
guys
have
it
next
is
approval
of
our
City
Council
minutes
from
September
24th
of
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second
any
additions
deletions
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
next
will
be
our
citizens
participation
period.
We
had
a
sign-in
sheet
out
on
the
desk
and
I
think
we're
going
out
to
retrieve
it.
We
have
a
30
minute
period,
so
we
kind
of
divide
it
up
evenly.
A
B
And
Elissa,
let's
pardon
yes,
he
said
20
sure.
K
K
I
play
seven
record
into
court
on
my
own,
because
I
refused
to
allow
any
government
entity
to
humiliate
me
and
as
fast
as
I
humiliated
myself
under
rule
73,
the
rule
64
rules
to
put
the
for
the
for
article
four
says:
the
seizure
of
a
person
in
this
state,
Moustakas
meminger,
was
the
first
treasurer
at
a
Confederacy.
Make
sure
you
correct
that
statue
right
there.
He
was
the
first
treasure
to
secretary
he's
a
protector
of
the
Treasury
for
the
Confederacy.
K
This
is
the
premise
of
this
building
and
so
therefore
I'm
not
surprised
what
happened
to
me
and
my
family
I
appreciate
you
in
which
you
did
an
elbow
bill
from
it.
I'm
a
bill
on
it
and
you
can
vote
on
it,
but
you
can
guarantee
I
will
be
fighting
this
fight
forever.
That
gives
me
a
service
in
time.
Thank
you,
sir.
K
O
O
O
O
AD
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council,
thank
you
for
your
service.
This
is
a
recording,
I'm
here
again
about
filling
bill.
Okay
tonight,
as
a
grandmother
concerned
about
the
quality
of
life
we
are
leaving
for
our
children
and
our
grandchildren
by
continuing
the
dangerous
practice
of
fill
and
build,
which
is
flooding
out
our
neighbors.
We
are
clearly
at
critical
mass
in
many
ways
in
an
engineering
crisis.
I
am
here
tonight
as
a
Realtor
who
has
been
paying
my
dues
into
the
system
since
2003.
AD
My
main
concern
is
the
harmful
and
build
has
done
and
continues
to
do
to
our
current
inventory
and
what
continuing
this
practice
will
do
to
our
environment,
quality
of
life
and
the
increase
of
flood
insurance
premiums,
which
will
gravely
affect
housing,
affordability
to
current
homeowners.
Please
vote
yes
to
the
first
reading
restricting
Phil
and
bill
tonight.
As
we
know,
this
ordinance
can
be
tweaked
in
the
second
and
third
readings.
Thank
you.
B
B
AE
Evening
Steve
green
21:56,
River,
Road,
John's,
Island,
John's
Island
needs
representation
on
the
City
Planning
Commission
and
I
support
the
net
that
the
next
planning
Commissioner
appointee
be
from
John's
Island,
not
Jimmy,
Bailey
from
Kela
q.
Oz
interest
in
the
city
are
very
different
from
the
citizens
of
John's
Island,
so
please
appoint
a
John's
Island
resident
to
the
Planning.
Commission
I
also
want
you
to
support
the
fill
and
build
ordinance
from
councilman.
AE
Griffin
I
told
you
two
weeks
ago
about
my
flooding
problems
caused
by
the
Phil
and
bill
construction
of
stone,
a
V
subdivision
on
River
Road,
which
is
effectively
an
earthen
dam
between
my
house
and
the
Stono
River
I
lived
on
River
Road
for
36
years
and
never
had
a
flooding
problem
until
the
stone
of
e
subdivision
was
built.
It
is
a
fill
and
build
damming
that
prevents
a
natural
flow
of
water
to
the
Stono.
River
I
am
in
the
burden,
Creek
floodplain
and
the
natural
ecology.
The
ecology
of
that
drainage
basin
has
been
irreparably
damaged.
AE
In
the
last
four
years,
I
spent
thousands
of
dollars
trucking
in
topsoil
from
poor
my
yard
and
crushed
concrete
and
gravel.
For
my
driveway
to
mitigate
this
new
flooding
problem
caused
by
the
city
of
Charleston,
please
prevent
this
harm
from
happening
to
the
rest
of
John's
in
James,
Island
and
past
a
fill-in
build
ordinance.
Thank
you.
AF
I'm
rich
Thomas
from
John's
Island
as
Steve
said,
I
also
urge
you
to
pass
this
fill
and
build
ordinance
on
first
reading
tonight.
It's
extremely
important
to
Johns
Island
there's
a
perfect
example
here
of
what
not
to
do
and
that's
a
project
that'll
be
coming
along
soon.
It's
called
Twin
Lakes,
it's
off
of
cane,
slash
Road,
it's
actually
to
be
built
in
an
area
that
was
a
dirt
pit
back
in
the
40s
or
50s.
It's
about
ten
ten
and
a
half
foot
elevation.
AF
So
it's
going
to
require
five
or
six
feet
of
fill
to
bring
it
up
for
these
hundred
and
twenty
four
homes.
The
Dutch
dialogues
recommended
exactly
that.
A
development
like
this
not
be
built
in
that
location.
If
you
look
through
it,
it
targets
that
area
and
says
no
dr.
Phil,
Dustin
and
I
who's.
Here,
I
guess
this
evening
we
did
an
experiment
during
Hurricane
Dorian
we
put
probes
out
in
Burdon
Creek,
in
particular
in
the
part
of
the
creek
that
drains
this
area
and
all
the
developed
areas
around
it.
AF
What
we
found
was
you
get
this
huge
slug
of
runoff
coming
off
of
these
developed
areas.
Very
much
unlike
the
forested
areas
that
have
a
very
slow
release
of
that
six
inches
of
rain
that
we
got
during
door
in
this
water
is
extremely
toxic
to
the
marsh
and
Stono
River.
It
has
no
dissolved
octene,
it's
fresh
water.
It
kills
our
marshes.
Thank
you
very
much.
Y
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
members
of
council
and
skin
Jason,
Crowley,
director
of
communities
and
transportation,
with
the
coastal
conservation
league
we'd
like
to
start
by
commending
you
all
for
taking
up
the
consideration
of
the
fill
and
build
ordinance
tonight.
This
was
something
that
was
very
similarly
introduced
earlier
this
year
by
councilmember
Jackson.
It
didn't
make
it
through
and
we're
pleased
to
see
that
the
momentum
of
the
Dutch
dialogues
has
brought
this
back
forward
again
today.
Y
There
should
be
a
little
bit
more
focus
on
the
different
parts
of
our
city:
James,
Island,
John's,
Island,
West
Ashley
are
not
the
exact
same
places,
neither
as
Daniel,
Island
or
downtown
and,
as
you
start
to
get
into
the
weeds
a
little
bit
more
with
this
ordinance
considering
things
like
elevation,
special
flood
hazard
areas
and
attempts
to
use
fill
material
to
meet
freeboard
requirements.
Those
are
all
some
of
the
details
that
we
would
like
to
see
fleshed
out
in
here.
Y
With
a
little
more
effort,
all
of
this,
together
with
some
other
proactive
and
progressive
ideas
such
as
working
with
other
municipalities
in
Charleston,
County,
on
a
transfer
of
development
rights
program
to
avoid
developing
in
low-lying
areas
and
making
sure
that
we're
not
getting
into
any
legal
takings
issues
with
property
rights.
These
are
all
aspects
that
we
hope
that
we'll
continue
to
work
together
as
we
roll.
This
proposed
ordinance
forward,
as
well
as
other
things
like
the
stormwater
manual,
but
we're
very
pleased
to
see
the
effort
taken.
AG
Good
evening,
Leah
Farrell
with
the
Preservation
Society
of
Charleston
were
also
a
member
of
the
fix,
letting
first
coalition
and
I'll
keep
it
short.
We're
also
here
to
express
our
support
of
the
proposed
ordinance
on
the
fill
requirement.
Clearly,
this
is
something
that's
been
a
topic
of
conversation
within
the
community.
For
a
long
time
now,
there's
been
a
lot
of
studies
done
we're
still
eagerly
awaiting
the
revised
stormwater
manual.
We
know
the
city
is
actively
working
on
this.
AG
We
understand
that
yesterday
at
committee
there
was
a
spirited
conversation
and
certainly
some
things
emerged
that
to
strengthen
the
proposed
ordinance,
and
we
do
agree
that
there
is
room
for
further
study.
Certainly,
we
think
this
is
a
sound
policy.
It's
needed
to
be
wide,
but
will
it
apply?
Citywide
in
one
size
fits
all?
AG
V
Good
evening
my
name
is
Sylvie
Bale
and
I
currently
live
at
one
Lenox,
but
previously
I
grew
up
off
of
River
Road
on
Burton
Creek
Road
and
watched
that
area
change.
A
lot
I
think
that
the
ordinance
that
was
previously
mentioned
is
a
great
idea
and
given
the
fragile
ecology
of
the
marsh
in
that
area
and
the
rising
levels
of
microplastics
and
tire
particles
in
the
harbor
and
in
our
waterways
I
think
it's
really
important.
V
AH
Evening,
my
name
is
Deborah
moons
I
live
by
2762
Summit
race
Boulevard
on
John's
Island
I'd
like
to
speak
about
three
things.
My
first
is
the
fill
and
build
ordinance.
Please
vote
YES
for
that,
and
I'd
also
like
to
add,
don't
approve
any
more
new
development
until
you
flesh
out
the
fill
and
build
ordinance.
I'd
also
like
to
say
that
I
agree
with
Steve
about
having
a
person
who
actually
lives
on
John's
Island
to
represent
the
needs
of
the
residents
of
John's
Island
on
the
Planning
Commission,
not
someone
from
Kiawah
or
Seabrook.
AH
AI
AI
Now
the
simplest
thing
that
could
be
done
is
to
do
no
harm,
as
David
Wagner
said,
and
the
cheapest
thing
we
can
do
is
stop
this
destructive
practice
right
now.
It's
not
rocket
science.
We
know
what
it's
doing.
You
know
what
it's
doing,
and
yet
the
people
that
are
profiteering
off.
This
are
walking
away
and
don't
smile.
Please,
the
people
that
are
profiteering
from
this
are
walking
away
from
us
with
all
the
money
they
are
stripping,
the
gold
out
of
Charleston.
AI
AI
It's
going
to
make
your
insurance
rates
go
sky-high
because
FEMA
2.0
is
going
to
be
based
on
elevations
and
risk,
and
that's
going
to
make
a
lot
of
these
houses
and
a
lot
of
these
mortgages
and
this
mortgage
crisis
that's
looming
on
this
is
going
to
be
ferocious.
It's
going
to
make
like
it's.
It's
going
to
make
the
mortgage
crisis
of
2008
look
like
a
tinker
Tori,
so
please
think
about
the
economy
of
Charleston
and
vote
for
this.
Thank
you.
L
Last
one
I
promise
Katie
Zimmermann
executive
director
of
Charleston
moves
and
first
off.
Thank
you
all
for
sitting,
all
of
you
for
sitting
and
listening
to
all
of
us
as
you
do
every
two
weeks.
It's
greatly
appreciated
and
we
appreciate
all
of
us
I
think
appreciate
your
service.
I
just
wanted
to
express
our
support
of
the
first
reading.
L
AJ
Hi,
my
name
is
Eileen
Doherty.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
tonight.
I've
come
before
you
many
times
we
have
had
flooding
in
our
property
as
a
result
of
a
sweep.
What
we
think
as
a
result
of
a
development
adjacent
to
our
property
that
has
raised
a
water
table
for
our
property
and
surroundings.
AJ
I
want
to
thank
councilman,
Griffin
I
want
to
KITT,
think
councilman,
Councilwoman
Jackson
and
the
mayor
for
all
your
efforts
to
address
flooding
concerns
over
the
last
few
years.
As
you
know,
we
are
on
the
front
lines
of
the
climate
crisis
and
it's
a
weight.
The
way
we
build
now
affects
our
economic
future.
AJ
We
still
have
a
lot
of
room
for
improvement
in
regard
to
land-use
and
stormwater
rules
and
I
very
much
support
all
efforts
that
one
limit
the
impact
of
new
developments
on
our
community
and
to
improve
our
long-term
outlook
as
we
embrace
the
idea
that
we
are
living
with
water
as
a
way
of
life
in
Charleston.
So
any
you
know,
we
will
need
to
work
on
our
land
use
and
our
building
use
practices,
and
that
will
account
for
how
successful
you
are
with
living
with
water.
AJ
AK
Josh
6
6:40,
Rutledge
Avenue,
also
the
government
affairs
director
for
the
Charleston
Trident
Association
of
Realtors
I,
want
to
comment
on
the
Phil
and
Bill
ordinance.
I.
Think
it's
misguided
at
best,
I
was
a
part
of
the
dialogue
team
and
a
lot
of,
what's
being
said,
is
inaccurate
at
best
and
I
encouraged
council
to
listen
and
actually
read
the
report
that
was
put
out,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
was
not
misinformed.
So
I
looked
to
Dale,
Morris
and
talked
to
him
yesterday
morning.
AK
AK
What
went
into
the
report
and
the
spirit
of
the
report
so
I
encourage
council
to
shoot
down
the
first
reading
of
this
ordinance
and
actually
do
what
the
Dutch
dialogues
asked
for,
which
was
community
buy-in
and
getting
all
the
people
involved
at
the
table
to
look
at
how
we
can
move
this
city
forward.
This
is
not
what
this
ordinance
does.
It
is
not
in
the
spirit
of
the
Dutch
dialogues
and
it's
an
insult
honestly
to
those
of
us
who
sacrifice
all
their
time.
AL
AM
Good
afternoon,
mayor
tech,
Limburg,
council,
Darron
Thomas,
with
Lowcountry
black
Expo.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
come
before
you.
You
know
it
was
22
years
ago
when
it
was
mayor,
Reilly
that
first
approached
the
organization
about
establishing
this
much-needed
event
in
our
community
and
after
22
years,
we
continue
to
serve
the
Charleston
community.
Our
events
scheduled
for
next
March,
which
annual
is
the
second
weekend
of
March
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
want
council
to
understand,
is
while
there
is
a
fiduciary
responsibility
on
our
organization
and
using
tax
dollars.
AM
We
continue
to
invest
in
this
community
with
the
taste
of
black
Charleston,
which
is
traditionally
the
aquarium
and,
of
course,
black
Expo.
Over
the
past
12
years,
we've
raised
over
60,000
for
teachers,
supply
closet,
I
think
it
was
several
years
ago,
Mara
where
I
mean
counts,
been
wearing
share
and
with
us
we
were
the
one
of
the
first
or
the
first
organizations
to
make
a
donation
to
the
African
American
International,
an
African
American
Museum.
AM
This
event
continues
to
grow,
continues
to
have
a
major
impact.
We
hire
an
outside
firm
to
come
in
and
collect
the
data
from
all
those
persons
that
visit
this
this
community,
for
that
that
period
of
time
and
I'm
simply
here
to
ask
council
to
consider
our
funding
and
our
request
for
this
year,
as
we
continue
to
move
this
this
event
into
the
next
to
the
next
stage.
Thank
you.
A
So
thank
you,
Darren
and,
in
that
same
spirit,
I've
put
on
council
members
desk
and
I'll.
Let
invite
you
and
anybody
here
who
would
like
to
come
next
Friday
a
week
from
Friday
and
at
the
Joe
in
the
Riley
Park
room
from
I
think
nine.
Until
one
we
have
a
city
of
Charleston
business
opportunity
Expo
for
women
and
minority
businesses
and
small
businesses
and
all
of
our
departments
will
be
represented
and
will
engage
with
a
small
and
minority
business
owners.
That's
how
they
can
do
business
with
the
city
of
Charleston.
B
A
Right
did
we
miss
anybody?
Initials,
a
me
sorry,
okay,
so
next,
we'll
move
along
to
our
petitions
and
communications.
First
up
is
appointment
of
Paul
a
reappointment,
I
guess
of
Paul
Multani
to
our
accommodations
tax
advisory
committee.
Thank
you
any
discussion.
All
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
guys
have
it
next
is
a
presentation
council
member
shade:
do
you
want
to
set
this
up
for
the
proposed
master
plan
for
Charleston's
three
hundred
and
fiftieth
commemoration?
Thank.
AN
You,
mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
madam
clerk,
so
we
pass
a
resolution
on
creating
a
350
Commission
to
address
the
celebration
of
the
first
thing
with
settlers
coming
to
Charles
Town
in
1670,
so
coming
in
2020
will
be
the
commemoration
of
this
wonderful
event.
We
have
partnered
with
trio
president
Jessica
Monday
here
in
Abby
Cadabby.
Behind
me.
AN
So
we
have
several
members
of
the
community
who
are
here
present,
who
spent
countless
hours
either
at
a
steering
committee
meeting
or
a
commission
meeting
who
have
worked
diligently
to
putting
together
a
plan.
Our
kickoff
event
will
be
in
April
of
2028,
Charlestown,
Landing
and
I.
Don't
want
to
spoil
too
much
of
the
presentation
by
Jessica,
but
just
who
wants
to
let
you
take
over
from
there
to
talk
about
what
our
plans
are.
Thank.
AO
You
thank
you
very
much
Thank
You,
mayor
and
council
members,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
and
and
honored
that
the
city
trusted
trio
solutions
with
this
important
project.
I
definitely
want
to
thank
my
colleague,
Abbi
Linna
rude
she's
been
very
instrumental
in
helping
with
this
project
and
would
also
like
to
thank
councilman
shade
and
Jonathan
green
and
mr.
John
Mitchell
they
the
three
of
them.
Everybody
has
been
very
supportive,
but
the
three
of
them
have
been
extremely
supportive
of
this
entire
initiative
and
we're
very
excited
of
the
progress
that
we've
made.
AO
AO
The
signature
events
or
a
series
of
events
that
we
would
have
in
2020
as
councilman
shared,
will
be
kicking
off
with
Founders
Day
at
Charlestown
Landing,
which
really
is
commemorating
the
birth
of
the
Carolinas
I,
see
up
there
edged
in
the
marble
founded
in
1670
and
as
we've
gotten
involved
with
this
project.
It's
really
fascinating.
How,
once
you
really
start
diving
into
history,
the
reminders
just
around
us
everywhere,
and
we
really
have
an
opportunity
to
take
a
closer
look
at
that
and
not
only
celebrate
but
make
some
changes
that
need
to
be
made.
AO
I
want
I,
know
he's
not
here
today,
but
I
definitely
want
to
thank
Rob
Powell.
His
team
at
Charlestown
Landing
have
been
phenomenal,
they're,
really
bringing
the
state
support
to
this
project
and
are
truly
owning
the
Founders
Day
initiative.
It's
really
Founders
Day
times
a
hundred
and
they
are
very
much
open
to
not
having
it
be
your
typical
Founders
Day.
They
want
the
experience
that
day
to
be
a
true
journey
through
our
350
years.
AO
Not
only
do
we
have
the
transact
race
finale
that
will
be
in
City
Harbor
and
the
city
Harbor
and
marina,
but
that
College
of
Charleston
has
put
together
the
claw
conference,
which
is
a
phenomenal
series
of
academic
and
scholarly
programs
that
really
are
taking
a
closer
look
at
Charleston's
relationship
with
the
port
cities
and
transatlantic
slave
trade
and
the
transatlantic
connection.
That
Charleston
has,
and
so
there's
not
an
exact
date,
because
that
really
is
going
to
transpire
over
probably
a
two
to
three-week
period
in
May,
then
we
have
in
summer
then
July.
AO
And
this
is
where
we
feel
we're
really
going
to
leave
a
mark
on
our
legacy
of
how
we
approached
our
three
hundred
and
fiftieth
anniversary
and
pave
the
path
forward
for
our
future.
Bringing
the
community
together
in
a
transformation
table
type
of
an
event
where
neighbors
are
having
breaking
bread
with
complete
strangers,
that
they
have
never
met
and
having
an
opportunity
to
have
a
deeper
conversation
and
dialogue
with
one
another
about
how
we
see
the
next
50
years.
And
so
these
are
really
our
signature
events.
But
I
would
like
to
share
that.
Truly.
AO
The
heart
and
soul
of
this
commemoration
is
going
to
come
from
our
partnering
events.
And
those
are
events
that
will
be
held
throughout
the
year
and
they
will
be
sanctioned.
As
official
350
event,
Amy
is
chairing
our
partnering
Events
Committee,
and
so
we
have
a
great
group
that
is
working
toward
an
online
application.
AO
So
if
you're
with
a
community
organization
or
business-
and
you
want
to
host
an
event-
and
it
falls
in
line
with
supporting
the
overall
mission
of
Charleston
350
commemoration,
then
you
would
complete
that
and
the
committee
would
approve
whether
or
not
your
event
would
be
considered
a
Charleston
350
event.
And
so
it's
through
our
partnering
events
that
we
feel
will
really
have
an
hundreds
of
opportunities
throughout
2020
to
really
allow
the
entire
community
neighbors
visitors
and
anyone
that
is
interested
in
being
part
of
this
story
to
engage.
AO
So
I've
shared
this
with
you,
because
we
really
feel
that
there
are
several
key
elements
that
are
going
to
make
this
successful.
Some
of
these
are
already
in
place
and
we're
working
toward
others
leadership.
You
have
already
demonstrated
your
leadership
to
this
project
through
the
resolution
and
the
establishment
of
working
toward
this
master
plan
and
all
of
the
volunteers
and
community
leaders
who
are
part
of
the
Commission
and
the
steering
committee.
So
we
really
feel
good
about
the
leadership
that
we
have
in
place.
AO
Partnering
events,
as
I
just
mentioned,
will
allow
a
year-long
opportunity
of
celebration
and
reflection
and
progress.
We
also
want
to
have
community
involvement.
The
signature
events
are
open
to
the
public
and
give
everyone
an
opportunity
to
be
engaged.
The
Charleston
350
fund
will
help
us
actually
fund
this
initiative,
as
well
as
provide
community
grant
opportunities
supporters
in
terms
of
sponsors
and
volunteers,
and
then
the
last
is
really
a
commitment
to
our
legacy
and
making
sure
that
we're
sharing
our
full
and
accurate
story
so
I
open.
AO
If
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
those
I'm
excited
that
everybody
that
is
here
is
going
to
be
part
of
this
story
and
again,
if
you
have
any
ideas
or
thoughts
based
on
the
plan
we
put
together,
we
realize
this
is
a
work
in
motion
and
we're
happy
to
sit
down
and
have
that
conversation
so
again.
Thank
you
all
for
your
support
and
I
look
forward
to
being
involved
with
this
project
through
2020.
Thank
you.
I.
AN
AN
AP
A
A
AQ
You
mr.
mayor
members
of
council
on
October
15th,
the
hotel
task
force
met
to
discuss
the
matter
of
rooftop
bars
and
restaurants.
We
had
a
very
comprehensive
discussion
that
related
to
proposed
locations
for
future
rooftop
bars
and
restaurants,
noise
and
the
regulation
of
noise,
as
well
as
discussion
of
where
rooftop
bars
and
restaurants
may
be
in
other
parts
of
the
city
other
than
downtown
staff
are
going
to
conduct
some
additional
research.
AQ
Do
some
detailed
mapping
of
specific
areas
and
bring
board
recommendations
about
how
that
ordinance
would
be
amended
as
well
as
how
we
can
change
our
regulatory
practices
and
our
enforcement
to
make
sure
that
rooftop
bars
and
restaurants
are
handled
properly.
We're
gonna
reconvene
the
group
we'll
be
ready
to
do
that
within
the
next
two
weeks
and
we'll
survey
the
numbers
before
we
reconvene,
so
an
amended
ordinance
will
come
after
that
group
endorses
it.
So.
A
If
I
may
share
a
little
anecdote,
a
case
in
point
last
Friday
night
city
staff,
including
mr.
Lindsay,
Meg
Thompson,
and
we
invited
president
Shu,
because
we
wanted
him
to
see
some
of
his
students
out
on
the
street.
We
started
at
10
o'clock,
Friday
night
on
the
upper
end
of
King
Street
and
made
our
way
down
to
numerous.
We
had
a
night
out
on
the
town.
We
were
bar
hopping,
okay,
yeah,
and
what
I
thought
folks
knew
me
pretty
well,
but
I
tell
you,
presidents,
you
know,
he's
a
rockstar.
A
Now
those
students
were
all
over
him,
so
we
stopped
at
uptown
social,
which
is
one
of
the
places
we
had
talked
about
and
having
a
rooftop
bar
right,
and
there
was
his
loud.
We
were
just
talking
outside
because
it
was
too
loud
inside
to
even
have
a
conversation
and
I.
Guess
young
people
like
that.
But
there
was
this
music
out
on
the
street.
A
It
was,
it
was
loud
as
could
be,
and
it
wasn't
coming
from
up
above
it
was
coming
from
the
place
next
door
and
when
you
look,
I
went
across
the
street
and
looked
up
and
what
they
had
done
their
speakers.
Rather
than
turned
inward
to
service
their
customers.
The
speakers
were
turned
out
to
King
Street
so
to
blare
the
music
out
onto
the
street
and
on
to
the
public
I
guess
to
give
the
impression
that
this
is
a
place
where
you
ought
to
come
that
it's
a
wild
happenin
place.
A
AR
A
A
AN
AI
A
AS
AS
So,
for
most
of
these
reports,
Susan
and
I
have
met
with
the
departments
involved.
We've
gone
through
the
recommendations,
we
prioritize
them
as
needed
and
and
collaboratively
work
with
departments
to
develop
work
plans
to
complete
the
work
and
for
the
projects
that
are
well
underway.
We
have
website
links
that
you
can
actually
track
our
progress
and
those
gets
those
get
updated
quarterly,
so
check
out
the
website
so
TRC.
This
was
the
first
report
that
was
submitted.
Our
path
forward
has
not
necessarily
been
a
straight
line,
but
we've
actually
made
some
really
good
progress.
AS
Some
of
the
highlights
of
the
accomplishments
we
hired
a
TRC
administrator
at
CRC
coordinator.
All
the
reviewers
now
attend
all
of
the
relevant
TRC
meeting.
So
if
they
reviewed
a
project,
they
actually
attend
the
meeting
we
have
launched
TRC
University,
which
is
an
outreach
to
all
the
developers.
So
we've
been
doing
those
once
a
quarter.
Eric
Schultz
is
our
TRC
administrator
has
has
been
putting
this
together
and
so
that's
been
really
successful.
We've
eliminated
these
unofficial
PDF
reviews
which
we're
just
causing
frustration
and
confusion,
and
probably
the
biggest
thing
is
the
e
review.
AS
AS
AS
AS
So
there's
a
lot
going
on
so
another
element
to
understand
how
we
got
into
the
situation
being
behind
with
TRC.
What's
actually
track
the
number
of
hours
it
takes
to
review
a
TRC
submittal.
So
since
March
all
the
plan,
reviewers
have
been
logging
their
review
time.
So
you
can
see.
This
is
just
an
example
of
site
plans,
so
we've
got
all
the
different
departments
that
are
involved
and
you
can
see
most
of
them
take
about
approximately
an
hour
to
review
one
submittal.
AS
So
if
we
take
TRC
reviews
that
were
the
lightest,
the
lightest
months
like
in
February,
we
had
39
TRC
submittals
and
the
month
of
February
on
average
70%
of
those
are
site
plans,
so
that
would
be
27
submittals
or
site
plans.
So,
even
if
we
take
the
most
most
conservative
number
of
hours
for
stormwater,
that
would
be
to
some
270
hours
required
for
the
month
of
February
to
do
those
reviews
out
of
160
hours
a
month
of
work
hours
quite
impossible
to
to
meet
that
number
right.
AS
So
if,
if
some
of
the
some
of
these
are
actually
third-party
reviews,
as
we
know-
and
if
those
third-party
reviews
are
taking
ten
hours
and
we
pay
on
average
$150
an
hour-
we're
spending
$1,500
per
submittal
so
and
then
the
the
fee
for
TRC
review
is
$600.
So
we
are
subsidizing
$900,
just
in
stormwater
review.
AS
AS
So
just
a
quick
view
of
2019
by
the
numbers.
Sixty-Seven
percent
have
been
completed
on
time
this
year.
Now
that
doesn't
sound
awesome,
but
when
you
compare
it
to
2018,
which
was
at
41%,
that's
a
significant
improvement
and
33
days
to
review
submittal
compared
to
75
in
2018,
so
we're
making
good
progress.
AS
AS
Sure
so
I
don't
have
good
numbers
on
that.
That
is
something
that
we've
talked
about
a
lot
with
the
TRC
group
since
the
increase
in
fees
last
year,
they've.
What
they
are
telling
me
is
that
they've
seen
a
significant
increase
in
the
quality
of
submittals,
so
that
has
helped
tremendously
on
those
poor
quality
submittals
at
work.
They
were
taking
staff
time
needlessly
so,
but
that's
something
that
we're
still
we're
still
consciously
aware
of
and
monitoring.
M
M
Part
of
it
is
my
understanding
that
some
of
the
engineering
groups
is
that
they
have
to
come
to
the
TRC
meeting
to
find
out
staff
objections
to
external.
It
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
if
they
submitted
something.
Staff
has
objections
to
let
those
objections
be
known,
corrected
before
you
need,
but
anyway
absent.
AS
And
that
was
something
that
we
are
working
so
with
the
review
with
the
impossibility
of
meeting
review
times.
The
idea
is
that
we
give
those
comments
back
in
advance
of
the
meeting
so
that
so
the
applicants
can
come
prepared,
but
the
workload
is
so
much
that
they
can't
keep
up
so
they're
kind
of
just
doing
everything
that
they
can
to
respond
as
quickly
as
they
can,
but
certainly
those
reviews
that
are
completed
before
the
meeting.
Those
are
getting
sent
out
two
days
or
48
hours
ahead
of
the
head
of
the
meeting
are.
AS
AS
E
AT
And
what
up
kind
of
told
people
at
least
internally
is
we
can?
Certainly
we
have
the
ability
to
do
that
if
we
would
like
to
TRC
I,
don't
like
that,
we
call
it
a
technical
review
committee
because
it
makes
it
sound
like
it's
a
committee,
people
don't
vote,
but
you
know
if
you
don't
get
stormwater
approval.
AT
The
fact
that
zoning-
and
you
know
the
fire
marshal
and
all
that
vote
in
favor
of
stormwater
approval
that
matter
it's
the
idea
is
to
get
everybody
in
the
room
that
issues
permits
for
the
development
individual
permits
really
together
to
comment
on
the
project.
So
it's
really
more
of
a
technical
review
staff
as
I
looked
at
it,
and
so
you
know,
I
also
hear
concerns
about
like
foyer
requirements,
and
that
would
not,
in
my
opinion,
that
wouldn't
apply
outside
of
the
committee
advisory
committee
context.
AT
AS
D
AS
That's
that's
fine,
so
the-
and
you
know
in
this
one
I
think
you
all
know
that
you
know
the
the
employee
survey
was
really
important
and
compensation
was
a
big
factor
with
the
69%
of
employees,
believing
that
their
salaries
did
not
reflect
their
work
contributions.
You
know
in
a
2019
you
all
approved
that
increase
which
actually
helped
kind
of
stabilize
our
attrition
rate.
So
thank
you
for
that.
AS
So
I'll
just
jump
to
I
had
a
lot
of
good
stuff
in
here
to
highlight
them,
but
I
will
jump
right
to
the
last
one
and
I'll
come
back
with
some
additional
input
for
you
all,
but
I
just
wanted.
This
was
not
a
one-person
effort.
Susan
party
was
very
involved
too
so,
but
it
was
not
a
two-person
effort
either.
So
this
was
a
very
thoughtful
supportive
and
collaborative
effort
between
a
lot
of
members
of
staff
to
accomplish
all
these
things.
E
I
did
go
through
the
report
and
there
was
another
issue
with
regard
to
diversity:
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
with
regards
God
to
diversity,
but
what
I?
What
I
thought
that
was
missing
is
there
was
no
analysis
of
where
people
fall
by
race
and
ethnicity
with
regard
to
salary
positions,
excetera,
etcetera,
so
I
thought
there
was
kind
of
Lackey
and
daddy
area
and
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
little
more
spent
on
reading.
Well,.
AS
We
are
getting
ready
to
do
a
follow-up
survey,
so
this
was
actually
done
two
years
ago.
The
employee
survey,
so
we're
actually
planning
to
do
another.
This
December
is
that
right.
Yes,
so
that's
that
in
December,
so
we
can
actually
talk
about
how
we
can
collect
the
information
to
let
Novak
do
that.
Obviously
you
know
we
want
them
to
hold
the
data,
because
we
want
employees
to
respond
to
that
and
feel
that
their
information
is
safe
right.
So
yet.
AC
AU
AS
AU
AS
So
you
know
that
was
kind
of
really.
The
purpose
of
this
was
to
kind
of
walk
you
through
some
of
those
highlights
of
the
things
that
have
been
done.
We
kind
of
just
touched
on
some
of
the
things
that
with
TRC,
but
we
are
putting
all
those
on
the
website
as
well.
So
we've
listed
all
the
recommendations,
the
priority
of
those
and
then
where
we
are
in
getting
those
things
implemented.
AU
A
AU
AS
Actually
just
implemented
some
kind
of
emergency
review
times,
based
on
the
data
that
we've
collected
to
try
to
mitigate
some,
the
kind
of
backlog
of
TRC
submittals
to
help
help
us
get
caught
up,
because
we
know
that
if
we
can't
be
reliable
in
our
review
times,
it
really
just
holds
up
everybody
else,
and-
and
we
know
that-
and
we
certainly
don't
want
to
do
that-
so
we've
actually
implemented
some
emergency
review
times
to
help
help
get
us
dig
us
out
of
that
hole.
Do
you
well.
A
A
They
involve
all
the
departments
that
are
interrelated
on
any
different
topic
and
it's
really
resulted
in
a
remarkable
collaboration
of
our
departments
and
department
leaders
that
I'll
be
honest
with
you
didn't
exist
when
I
was
around
as
the
department
had
twenty
years
ago.
It
really
is
a
game
changer.
So
thank
you
alright.
So
next
is
our
council
committee
reports
and
again
with
with
y'all
some
patience
and
acceptance,
we'll
move
first
to
our
Committee
on
Public,
Works
and
utilities,
councilmember
well,.
M
D
A
I
would
like
to
add
a
little
discussion
if
I
may,
so
this
is
on
the
bill
requirements
for
new
construction,
correct,
yes,
yeah!
So
yesterday,
at
our
committee
meeting
we
had
some
robust
discussion
about
this
and
about
what
the
intent
of
the
of
the
proposed
ordinance
was,
and
mr.
Griffin
replied
to
me
that
his
intent
was
to
prevent
the
filling
of
wetlands,
which,
which
is
a
great
goal.
A
I,
did
want
to
share
with
Council
in
terms
of
achieving
that
goal
that
it's
a
little
more
complicated
than
passing
this
ordinance
that
on
the
jurisdictional,
wetlands
are
under
the
authority
of
the
US
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
and
so
we
do
impact
their
decision
with
comments.
For
example,
the
city
provided
comments
to
the
Corps.
A
When
there
was
a
wetland
application
for
the
Harmony,
Project
and
I,
don't
know
we
turned
their
opinion
much
on
it,
but
we,
we
certainly
stated
our
objections
at
that
time
and
and
I
think
they
will
take
into
account
policies
of
the
cities
such
as
our
stormwater
manual,
but
I
did
want
to.
Let
you
all
know
that
we,
we
really
need
to
establish
so
stormwater
manual
policies
in
order
to
empower
impact,
the
Corps
of
Engineers
decision
making
when
it
comes
to
filling
wetlands.
A
A
So
I
just
want
to
make
everybody
aware
that
that,
if
we're
trying
to
accomplish
you
know
not
allowing
what
I
think
of
as
Phil
and
Bill
to
occur,
we're
going
to
have
to
dig
a
little
deeper
in
order
to
accomplish
that
now.
There's
been
a
few
comments
made
here
tonight
about
you
know.
What's
in
the
Dutch
dialogues
and
what's
not
I
would
share
with
you
that
I
don't
believe
the
Dutch
dialogues
process
intended
for
this
to
be
a
blanket
requirement
across
all
of
the
city
and
I'll.
A
A
These
kinds
of
requirements
are
absolutely
needed
and
that's
why
we
put
that
requirement
in
place
for
the
church
Creek
and
that's
why
we
want
to
do
it
in
other
areas.
It's
coming
forward
with
stormwater
manual,
but
there's
some
area,
this
areas
of
the
city,
where
it's
not
appropriate
and
I'll.
Just
give
you
a
an
example.
We're
now
renovating
Stoney
feel
well
that
property
had
Sun
and
we
needed
to
compact
it
on
down.
So
if
you
go
over
there
right
now,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
fill
on.
Stoney
feel
right.
A
Y'all
have
seen
it
so
when
they
remove
the
fill
they're
not
going
to
remove
at
all,
because
the
the
land
has
been
compressed
honestly.
If
this
ordinance
were
to
pass
third
reading,
as
is,
we
would
not
be
able
to
do
what
we're
now
doing
at
stroke,
Stonyfield
to
correct
that
problem
and
compensate
for
it.
A
So
what
I
would
respectfully
submit
for
first
reading
of
this
ordinance
is
to
amend
it
to
make
it
as
strict
as
we
did
for
church
Creek
and
say
that
if
you
bring
in
one
cubic
yard
that
you've
got
to
take
out
1.25
cubic
yards,
it's
worked
over
there
already
and
it
can
work
in
other
places.
So
the
second
amendment,
though,
that
I
would
respectfully
offer
is
that
we
make
this
applicable
to
known
flooding
areas
as
will
be
designated
in
our
stormwater
manual.
A
We're
calling
them
special
protection
areas
and
yes,
John's
island,
would
be
one
of
those
special
protection
areas,
but
one
one
size
doesn't
fit
all.
We
need
to
be
thoughtful
about
this,
so
that
we
don't
have
unintended
consequences
when,
in
fact,
some
areas
compaction
is
needed
or
you're
building
a
road,
and
you
need
some
fill
to
make
that
happen.
We
don't
want
to
disallow
development
and
places
that
that
we
want
wanted
to
occur,
which
may
require
a
little
bit
of
fill
as
long
as
their
other
drainage
requirements
are
met.
A
E
Good
stuff
I
make
a
lot
of
my
weight.
Is
I,
read
the
draft
mare
a
lot
of
what
you've
said
is
already
there,
especially
and
B,
and
C
in
particular,
that
you
have
to
equal
to
are
offsets
some
of
the
same
language.
You're
speaking
appears
in
the
ordinance
already
to
me.
Now
it
doesn't
get
into
specific
areas,
but
the
kind
of
exemptions,
I
think
you're
kind
of
talking
about
I
think
this
captures
it
at
least
my
reading.
Okay,
C
and
B
unfilled
requirements
and
I
can
read
it
if
necessary
took
two
digs.
E
M
Of
discussion
on
this
that
stormwater
and
the
committee
was
actually
divided
to
the
to
the
movement
and
bringing
forth
the
council
I
broke
the
tie
because
I
thought
we
should
have
that
discussion
and
I
said
I
said
in
that
meeting
mr.
Muir,
that
I
am
not
full
across
the
board
either,
but
I
think
one
thing
this
does.
Is
it
accelerates
the
conversation
to
identify
those
areas
quickly
and
I
think
between
the
first
in
a
second
region.
M
This
isn't
anything
I
think
we
need
to
stretch
out
what
a
task
force
for
six
months
or
nine
months
or
anything
like
that
because
of
the
Dutch
dialogues,
because
our
drainage
manuals
was
around
and
the
curve
finally
towards
completion.
Certainly
by
years
in
mr.
fountain
he's
not
paying
attention
but
I
think
our
drainage
manual
would
be
updated
within
sixty
days.
I
think
this
is
something
those
nuances
that
you're
talking
about.
M
I
think
it's
imperative
that
we
identify
those
special
areas
and
not
let
them
continue
to
be
opened
for
potential
development
and
slide
through,
because
our
process
is
a
slow
process
right
frankly,
I
think
councilman
Griffith
has
accelerated
the
process
by
bringing
this
voice
for
a
full
discussion
on
council.
That's
why
I
asked
and.
AA
You
mr.
mayor,
oh
I,
I,
do
appreciate
it.
I
sat
in
on
the
public
works
committee
yesterday,
just
to
hear
how
you
gonna,
discuss
this
and
I
agree
that
it's
appropriate
to
have
it
here
at
the
full
council
I
just
listening
between
your
question
mr.
mayor
to
councilmember
Griffin
about
what
was
his
intent
in
doing
this
in
this
ordinance
and
he
said
to
protect
wetlands
and
I.
AA
Think
I
think
that
your
knowledge
of
wetlands
is
is
the
correct
term
in
terms
of
the
actual
use
of
the
word
wetlands
when
it
when
they're
part
of
the
public
conveyance
that
is
then
controlled
by
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
for
evaluation.
I,
honestly,
don't
think
the
councilmember
Griffin
met
that
kind
of
detailed
definition
of
wetlands.
No,
he
was
not
I.
Think
you
were
I,
think
you
were
meaning
by
everything
that
I've
heard.
You
say
about
this
opportunity,
councilmember
Griffin,
to
follow
this.
AA
AA
We
are
now
elected
officials
in
this
season
of
the
city's
existence,
knowing
what
we
know
about
water,
knowing
that
we
have
to
start
to
begin
to
live
with
water
in
that
in
that
way
of
talking
about
it,
and
knowing
that
we
have
the
expertise
available
to
us
and
we've
made
made
ourselves
available
to
that
expertise
over
the
last
year
and
we're
talking
about
protecting
the
areas
that
are
the
most
vulnerable
and
at-risk
of
over
development
that
uses
the
kind
of
construction
technology.
We
call
fill
and
build
so
I.
AA
You
know
I
really
think
that
we
just
need
to
do
our
citizens
a
great
favor
and
and
agree
that
we're
all
on
this
page
together,
and
we
all
want
the
same
thing
to
protect
our
city.
I
have
no
problem
going
to
pass
this
ordinance
tonight.
I
do
think
it
needs
a
lot
of
detailed
evaluation
and
revision
and
making
it
more
appropriate
for
the
places
that
we
know
we
really
have
to
protect.
So,
however,
that
happens,
I
think
we
should
do
that.
I
I
could
also
vote
YES
for
your
amended
ordinance,
mr.
AA
mayor,
because
I
think
that
also
needs
to
have
the
tweaking
and
the
drilling
down
and
the
expertise
that
we
know
we
have
available
to
us.
So
I
think
we
should
just
do
something.
I
think
that
bringing
this
forward
tonight
is
is
a
grand
and
noble
gesture,
councilmember
Griffin,
in
terms
of
why
we
know
we
need
to
take
the
next
action
steps
after
the
Dutch
dialogues.
We
use
that
Dutch
dialogues
as
a
way
it
is
sort
of
you
know,
take
our
own
decision.
AA
A
A
No,
sir,
because
at.
A
E
A
E
E
AU
This
whole,
this
whole
issue
to
me
is
there's
really
two
too
broad
too
much
involved
too
complex
to
be
settled
tonight,
and
what
I
want
to
do
is
whenever
we
do
is
that
we
don't
do
some
kind
of
damage.
Oh,
we
don't
do
something
that
doesn't
then
causes
damage
and
I
wanted
our
attorney,
because
I
want
to
understand
exactly
what
this
first
reading
will
do,
because
those
of
you
who
have
been
around
for
not
a
moratorium
person-
and
it
feels
to
me
like
this-
is
some
kind
of
a
moratorium
just
kind
of
shutting
down
everything.
AL
Doctrine
ordinance
would
not
apply
to
this
ordinance
because
it's
not
a
zoning
ordinance
and
the
pending
doctrine
ordinance
only
applies
to
zoning
ordinance.
So
if
you
give
first
reading
to
this
ordinance,
it
is
not
going
to
go
in
effect.
It
doesn't
impact
any
ongoing
developments
at
this
point
in
time.
So.
AU
Ready,
don't
really
has
no
effect
on
anything
other
than
we
passed
first
reading.
That
was
what
I
want
right
sure
does.
That
was
my
understanding.
It's
correct.
We
are
very
close
to
getting
our
stormwater
manual
done.
Is
that
not
correct
I
mean
probably
middle
of
May
I
mean
excuse
me
middle
of
December.
AV
AV
So
the
manual
has
an
attempt
to
deal
with
the
negative
impacts
of
fill.
This
is
a
different
methodology
for
dealing
with
fill,
so
you
could
have
you
could
conceivably
pass
both
things
and
have
them
more
both
apply.
At
the
same
time,
the
engineer
would
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
address
both
both
requirements.
AV
The
intent
on
the
manual
had
been
to
again
account
for
the
negative
impacts
to
fill
the
negative
ecological
impacts
of
fill
with
special
protection
areas.
With
the
volume-based
requirement,
there
are
a
series
of
requirements
for
fill
based
on
offsets
and
maximum
slopes
within
the
manual.
So
from
a
staff
position,
we
feel
the
manual
accomplishes
much
of
the
intent
behind
protecting
the
city
from
flood
in
packs
from
development.
It
is
not
I,
don't
want
to
say
that
it
is
identical
to
what
is
proposed
here.
They
are.
AV
There
are
different
things
and
they
do
accomplish
different
things,
but
we
feel
comfortable
from
a
staff
level
on
where
we
are
with
the
manual.
That's
the
the
comments
and
the
interaction
we've
had
with
that
stakeholder
task.
I
say
our
task
force
is
to
try
to
figure
out
what
methodology
works
for
everyone,
but.
AU
AV
AU
I
guess
I
guess.
My
question
originates
with
the
Dutch
dialogue.
My
reading
of
that
it
calls
for
certain
areas
to
you
know
like
seven
zero
to
six.
You
shouldn't
be
doing
anything
than
that.
I
mean
sure
shouldn't
be
filling
it.
Maybe
you
build
something,
but
you
got
to
build
it
up
or
whatever,
but
you
probably
should
need
to
be
building
in
a
zero
to
six
from
six
to
ten.
Maybe
you
can
do
something
that,
whether
you
fill
or
not,
I
guess
that's
where
this
comes
in.
You
got
a
you're
gonna
fill
this
up.
AU
AV
The
the
manuals
not
intended
to
be
a
land-use
planning
document-
the
manual
says
you
know.
Theoretically,
you
could
develop
anywhere.
What
it
does
is
set
expectations
and
requirements
that
are
very
aggressive
for
development
in
areas
that
have
flooding
issues
where
it
makes
it
either
very
expensive
to
try
to
develop
that
way,
or
it
makes
it
where
your
density
and
things
would
be
greatly
reduced.
AV
For
instance,
we've
talked
about
it
briefly
and
all
versatility
is
it
like,
and
I'm
gonna
give
an
example,
but
if
you
have
a
master-planned
community,
where
the
entire
community
is
sort
of
the
entire
watershed
area
and
you're
putting
in
fill
in
that
community
in
that
watershed,
but
it's
all
been
designed
to
all
drain
out
successfully
you're,
not
gonna,
worsen
flooding.
There
may
be
a
different
aspect
from
a
land-use
planning
on
whether
that's
something
you
want
to
do.
AV
That's
a
different,
different
question
that
the
manual
doesn't
address,
but
from
a
stormwater
perspective
like
that
Phil
wouldn't
have
a
negative
impact,
so
would
be
allowed
within
the
manual.
However,
if
you're
in
a
low-lying
area,
you're
gonna
displace
water
at
your
neighbors
or
you're
gonna
cause
new
water
to
enter
this
system
that
doesn't
have
capacity
or
you're
gonna
block
up
the
ability
for
water
to
flow
through
your
site.
N
D
N
Heard
we've
been
all
around
everything,
but
this
Dagenham
ordinance
for
about
10
to
15
minutes
now,
I,
don't
know
where
we're
going
or
how
we
got
told
all
the
where
we're
at
so
maybe
you
ain't
because
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
folks
out
there
wondering
what
in
the
name
of
God,
are
they
talking
about
cuz
I'm
about
to
worry
about
what?
What
we're
talking
about
this
a
says
on
zero
net
Phil
I,
don't
mind
zero,
plus
twenty
five
percent.
N
You
know
what
have
you
had
you
advancements
on
all
new
construction
development
of
redevelopments
required
by
the
standard
building
codes
to
conform
to
requirements
for
new
buildings.
The
volume
of
filament
material
imported
into
into
on
fluid
sight
shall
be
offset
with
an
equal
or
greater
amount
of
existing
soil
that
sporting
from
the
site,
in
accordance
with
applicable
local
state
federal
regulations
such
that
there
is
no
net
fill.
That's
that's.
N
What
we're
talking
about
the
all
characteristics,
the
soil
characteristics
of
any
fill
material
imported
on
the
site
shall
be
composed
of
granular
soil
wells
with
promote
infiltration
and
reduce
runoff
with
an
infiltration
rate
of
0.3
inch
per
hour
or
greater.
It
is
verified
by
infiltration
testing
results.
Ok,
it
has
two
perc
just
a
little
bit.
That's
what
that
says,
nothing
greater
than
that.
If
you
take
it
out,
you
replace
it
with
something
that
will
perk.
N
Saying
people
been
doing
that
for
years
you
get
to
get
their
septic
tanks
approved
digging
the
holes
and
putting
the
whole
bunch
of
saying
this
stuff
in
it
and
then
refer
it.
So
there's
only
the
only
real
thing
that
I
saw
and
I
brought
this
out.
If,
like
you
said,
one
size
doesn't
fit
all,
but
one
size
starts
the
process
because
see
says.
N
If
there's
any
inconsistency
between
the
requirements
of
this
sections
form
or
the
design
standards
manual
as
amended
from
time
to
time
or
any
other
law
regulation,
article
ordinance,
the
more
restrictive
provision,
South
Richmond
shall
prevail.
The
magic
told
us
there's
not
going
to
be
any
really
restrictive
stuff
in
there.
So
this
is
the
beginning
of
anything
that
we
are
going
to
do
in
the
future,
based
on
the
stormwater
manager
month
or
or
the
Dutch
dialogue.
It's
not
one
size
fit
all
it's
a
start
and
as
I
read
this
and
I.
N
Discussions
on
the
on
John's
Island
I
would
worry,
and
that
would
I
would
I
would
make
an
amendment
to
it,
and
let
me
tell
you
why,
when
you're
talking
Phil
when
you're
buildin
say
a
subdivision,
the
number
one
item
that
is
filled
for
the
road
beds
now,
why
would
we?
Why
would
your
road
bed
have
to
perk
it's
covered,
so
that
would
have
to
be
so.
The
primary
is
stuff
in
do
this.
N
If
I
dig
it
off
out
of
my
front
yard
and
I'm
building
the
road
in
my
back
yard,
I,
don't
know
why
I
would
have
to
take
it
off
site
and
then
turn
around
and
bring
it
back
that
that's
kind
of
a
that
makes
no
sense.
So
we'd
have
to
put
that
one
little
caveat
in
there,
and
so
I
mean
I'm
I
thinkwell
just
vote
first
verse
rating
and
go
for
a
do
like
we've
done
in
the
past,
make
our
adjustments
and
bring
them
back
at
second
reading.
N
We've
done
it
time
and
again
in
this
chamber
and
I
mean
I,
don't
see
where
it's
gonna
hurt
anything
if
we
not
gonna
take
behalf
of
the
dirt
out
and
put
the
rest
on
the
road.
If
it
burns
everything
on
the
road,
it
should
not
affect
anything
except
the
cost
of
doing
business
when
the
development
this
bill
and
and
possibly
possibly
we
need
to,
we
could
tweak
possibly
the
perk
rate,
how
we
verify
that,
because
it's
such
a
a
nominal
amount.
N
AR
Wanna
apologize
because
sometimes
I
get
a
little
bit
frustrated
and
I
should
show
a
little
too
much
emotion,
but
honestly,
it's
just
because
I
care
so
deeply
about
this,
and
you
know
this
is
a
situation.
I
think
where
we're
making
a
decision.
That's
gonna
impact
our
city
for
generations.
Tonight,
just
just
by
having
this
discussion,
we
can
go
all
the
way.
Back.
AR
From
years
and
years
past
we
can
I
was
looking
at
the
1984
master
drainage
study
last
weekend,
all
the
projects
that
were
just
now
starting
now
we're
on
the
books
then,
and
it's
taking
us
35
40
years
to
get
the
ball
rolling
here
we
have
an
opportunity
tonight
to
have
a
document
that
was
put
in
front
of
us
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
we're
already
discussing
it.
That's
just
something
that
our
city
has
never
done.
AR
We've
always
been
reactive,
we've
never
been
proactive,
and
so
this
is
a
great
opportunity,
but
I
was
I
was
a
little
bit
alarmed
and
startled
last
night,
when
we
basically
had
to
have
the
Chairman
break
a
tie,
or
else
we
probably
wouldn't
have
this
discussion
tonight
either
or
maybe
we
didn't
have
a.
We
might
not
have
even
had
a
vote
so
for
the
person
who
voted
against
it
last
night.
Didn't
want
to
have
the
public
comment
period
today.
Didn't
want
to
have
this
discussion
today
to
start
trying
to
make
amendments
and
say
he
supports
it.
AR
It's
a
little
bit
two-faced
for
me
and
I
think
that
we
should
all
take
a
step
back.
We've
all
looked
at
this
now.
We're
gonna
have
a
good
discussion
and
and
really
think
about
it
for
the
next
week
and
come
back
here
next
time
with
some
revisions.
I
think
all
of
us
have
something
we
want
to
bring
up
and
anybody
around
this
table.
That
knows
me
and
talks
with
me.
AR
They
know
that
all
I
was
trying
to
do
is
get
something
on
the
books
so
that
we
can
have
this
I
didn't
expect
this
to
be
the
end,
all
be
all
because
Charleston
is
a
pocket
of
communities
and
there's
a
reason
why
the
Dutch
came
and
studied
four
different
areas.
I
agree
with
all
of
that.
I
think
our
stormwater
manuals
going
to
accomplish
a
lot,
but
I
do
think
that
we
should
have
a
specific
section
of
our
code
that
touches
on
Phil,
because
Phil
development
has
killed
this
city
for
years.
AR
It
really
has
I
can
name
a
few
examples,
but
the
one
that
sticks
out
to
me,
the
most
is
the
last
phase
of
Carolina
Bay
on
Henry
Tech
Limburg,
watching
truck
after
truck
after
truck
come
in
bring
in
fill
dirt.
And
now,
if
you
drive
down
Henry,
Techland,
Burdon,
Drive
and
near
the
hospital,
if
you
look
up
this
development
over
here
is
way
up
higher
than
the
road
and
that
road
is
an
access
point
to
a
hospital.
That's
a
problem.
AR
We
have
problems
on
John's,
Island
and
Church
Creek,
specifically,
that
are
both
mentioned
in
this
report.
I'm
gonna
read
a
just
a
couple
of
very
short
sections.
If
y'all
don't
mind
just
because
I
we
heard
tonight
that
you
know
hey,
maybe
I
didn't
get
it
right
or
maybe
I
misread
this
or
misread
I
want
everybody
in
the
audience
to
be
the
judge.
AR
So
I'm
gonna
read
one
passage,
one
little
short
paragraph
from
the
overall
recommendations
and
then
I'm
gonna
read
one
small
passage
from
Church
Creek
and
from
John's
Island,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
those
are
the
last
undeveloped
acres
of
Charleston.
We
have
a
few.
You
know,
I
think
Laurel,
Island
they're
having
to
put
a
lot
of
fill
dirt
on
there
to
make
that
work.
AR
Pretty
much
any
undeveloped
section
of
Charleston
I
mean
you
could
say
the
majority
is
probably
has
has
some
sort
of
wet
characteristic
to
it
out
my
district,
specifically
shadow
moss,
the
neighborhood
that
I
live
in.
Currently
they
actually
advertised
for
marina
when
it
was
built
in
the
70s.
So
we've
got
some
issues
long
ago
that
we're
just
now
facing
just
like
how
we
had
several
drainage
projects
back
in
the
early
80s
that
we
should
have
been
addressing
them
that
were
just
now
addressing
we're
in
a
tough
spot.
AR
Anybody
can
admit
that,
sir,
on
this
table,
we've
got
a
tough
job,
because
for
years
it
almost
seemed
like
we
just
sort
of
rested
on
our
laurels
and
everything
was
good.
AR
Now
that
is
going
to
be
brought
up
again
here
in
a
minute
on
John's
Island,
but
it's
also
going
to
be
mentioned
in
church
Creek.
So
here
we
are
with
an
idea
that
is
mentioned
in
two
of
the
four
categories
and
could
be
mentioned
on
the
peninsula
as
well.
Here's
John's
Island
this
is
very
important
elevation
zones,
the
team
identified
for
planning
or
safety
zones,
wet
ecological
transition
or
community
here's
the
wet
zone.
We
recommend
prohibiting
future
development
in
the
wet
zone.
The
ecological
zone
exists
from
6
to
10
feet
above
MSL.
AR
Then,
if
you
turn
to
the
next
page
page
80,
the
transition
zone
is
between
elevation
10
to
15
feet.
Now,
here's
some
of
the
bold
print
on
page
80,
the
ecological
zone,
carries
substantial
flood
risk
and
can't
expect
to
get
wet
in
a
hundred
year
storm
in
the
transition
zone.
Now
this
is
10
to
15
feet.
Development
is
possible,
including
clustered
elevated
homes.
Development
here
must
respect
the
dynamic
nature
of
the
landscape,
with
fluctuating
water
levels
and
sufficient
maintained,
overloads
drainage
jam
and
the
need
for
tailored
flood
risk
reduction
strategies.
AR
Phil
should
be
used
sparingly
primarily
for
road
construction
or
to
elevate
only
certain
homes.
So
even
there
we're
saying
one
size
doesn't
fit
all,
but
there's
a
large
area
of
John's
Island
that
Phil
should
not
be
allowed
yeah
we're
talking
there,
that's
the
transitions
and
that's
the
third
of
the
four
zones.
It
even
says
in
the
ecological
zone
that
see
here
only
limited
and
adaptive
development
should
occur,
such
as
low
density,
pile
elevated
single-family
homes,
so
that's
John's
Island.
But
then,
if
we
flip
over
to
Church
Creek
at
page
116.
AR
I'm
no
engineer
but
I
can
read
and
to
me
that
says,
reduce
fill
and
it
says
it
in
two
of
the
most
devastated
areas
of
Charleston.
John's,
Island
and
Church
Creek
have
been
hit
hard
three
of
the
last
five
years
and
it
could
have
easily
been
five
out
of
five.
If
the
storm
would
have
turn
Peninsula
would
have
been
devastated
too.
We're
working
on
things
on
the
peninsula
just
approved
over
10
million
dollars
for
the
low
battery
wall.
We're
working
that
week.
AR
There's
there's
great
recommendations
in
here
for
the
peninsula
as
well,
but
I
had
to
find
something
that
I
could
bring
to
this
this
council
and
say
guys.
We
got
to
talk
about
this
because
it
is
not
right.
You
know,
I
think
back
to
those
first
few
homes
that
I'm
not
going
when
I
ran
for
office.
For
the
first
time,
I
was
nervous.
I
was
afraid
that
something's
gonna
come
shut
the
door
on
my
face
and
say
get
off
my
porch.
AR
What
do
you
know
you
little
young
kid,
but
when
they
open
their
door
and
they
gave
me
five
minutes,
I
told
them
I,
protect
them,
I
told
them
I,
protect
them
their
kids,
their
neighbors
and
in
the
grand
scheme
of
thing,
I've
got
to
think
about
the
future
generations
of
the
city,
and
these
neighborhoods
are
gonna.
Go
away.
These
people
are
gonna
pack
up
and
leave.
We
don't
need
to
be
worried
about
whether
or
not
we
can
fit
ten
million
people
into
this
city.
We
don't
need
to
be
focused
on
increasing
the
tax
base.
AR
Right
now,
we've
got
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
people
that,
oh
by
the
way,
are
footing
the
bill
and
all
these
drainage
projects
and
they
need
to
be
supported
and
protected
right
now.
So
I
would
ask
that
you
give
first
read
into
this
and
let's
all
get
together
and
figure
out
how
we
can
make
this
the
best
document
that
the
city
has
ever
seen:
Thank
You
councilmember.
AA
You
mayor
Thank,
You,
councilmember
Griffin
as
I.
Thank
you
two
weeks
ago.
I
do
appreciate
that
you
have
put
a
sense
of
timeliness
and
action-packed
decision-making
to
a
cause.
That
I
would
like
you
when
I
was
elected
two
years
ago,
I
didn't
I,
didn't
really
appreciate
the
depth
and
the
breadth
of
how
this
challenge
was
going
to
define
our
time
in
office.
So
I
have
poured
myself
out
and
tried
to
learn
as
much
as
I,
possibly
can
from
every
avenue
of
expertise.
That,
thankfully
exists
very
no
noticeably
in
our
city.
AA
We
have
amazing
resources
with
the
Sea
Grant
NOAA,
with
the
Charleston
resilience
Network
with
all
of
the
the
civil
engineering
firms
that
are
sending
their
to
learn
the
state.
The
state-of-the-art
way
of
calculating
all
of
these
complicated
things
that
Matt
does
so
well
to
put
into
actually
friendly
English
language.
I
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
this
momentum
is
going
to
bring
to
us
and
I
will
happily
vote
for
whatever
first
reading
document.
We,
you
know
end
up
putting
on
our
our
agenda
right
this
minute.
But
what
were
what
meth
meth
said?
AA
The
phrase
and
I
think
what
your
question
was
getting
at
councilmember
moody
was
the
fact
that
this
even
this
ordinance,
if
we
left
it
as
sort
of
the
one-size-fits-all
citywide
document
that
now
we're
saying
to
ourselves,
probably
needs
to
be
adjusted
to
be
more
more
more
protective
of
the
special
protection
areas
and
all
of
that.
But
regardless
this
would
be
part
of
our
building
code,
essentially
our
site
permitting
code,
not
a
zoning
ordinance.
AA
What
we're
really
talking
about
here,
ultimately
to
protect
your
future
generations,
councilmember
Griffin
and
my
grandson,
our
land
use
changes
that
we
know
we
have
to
be
looking
at
so
I
think
this.
This
is
another
great
momentum
building
jumping-off
place,
but
to
be
fair
to
the
building
industry
and
the
property
owners.
We
are
going
to
have
to
start
talking
about
giving
them
the
roadmap
when,
when
a
when
a
potential
buyer
comes
into
our
region,
the
first
thing
they
do
is
if
they're
smart.
AA
You
know
opportunities
and
all
the
other
constraints
that
that
property
is
that
particular
property
might
put
into
the
mix
of
weather.
They're
gonna
buy
the
property
or
not.
We
don't
want
to
be
known
as
a
community
that
gets
of
developers
sucked
in
here,
not
not
knowing
that
when
they
buy
a
piece
of
property,
we're
gonna
say
it's
in
a
wet
zone.
You
can't
build
there,
it's
an
ecological
zone.
You
can't
build,
except
with
a
certain
building
technology.
AA
AN
Schade
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
madam
Clerk
I,
want
to
be
very
clear
about
this
and
I
want
this
to
be
well
spoken
and
everybody
understand
my
position.
I
am
NOT.
I
am
NOT,
opposed
to
a
build
and
fill
restriction.
Now,
I
want
to
understand
that
now,
I'll
have
the
state
of
a
hundred
times
if
I
need
to,
but
I
am
NOT
opposed
to
a
restriction
on
build
and
fill
now.
AN
I've
sat
on
this
committee
with
councilmember
white
and
council
member
Jackson
on
the
revisions
to
the
storm
water
manual
and
for
anybody
to
make
an
accusation
that
I
did
not
want
this
to
be
discussed
as
an
inaccurate,
so
I
know
that
this
storm
water
may
know
is
coming
before
us
at
in
very
short
order
and
Matt
just
mentioned
to
us,
I
mean
in
November.
The
this
build
and
fill
restriction
is
included
and
incorporated
in
that
it
was
revisions
to
that
manual,
and
this
is
a
problem
with
how
this
process
is
working.
AN
Councilman
moody
hit
nail
right
on
the
head
with
this.
We've
got
to
avoid
causing
damage
to
what
we
want
to
do
with
this.
This
thing,
because
this
is
important
in
its
councilmember
group-
and
you
pointed
out
those
particular
areas
that
need
special
attention
and
special
love
and
special
care
where
this
was
going
to
apply
by
contorts
Creek
and
an
other
areas
like
on
John's
Island,
and
this
restriction
and
I
disagree
with
the
count
on
mr.
found
on
one
thing:
the
stone
world
Emanuel
is
going
to
be
restrictive
and
I.
AN
Think
thing
is
gonna,
be
highly
restrictive,
so
I
want
this
be
to
be
discussed.
I
want
this
to
come
before
everybody
we've
had
these
discussions
with
the
folks
who
are
engaged
into
this
process,
including
the
engineers
who
wrestled
with
this
thing.
We
don't
want
to
create
two
different
standards,
and
that's
my
concern
with
this,
because
I
think
that
if
we
we
pass
this
ordinance
as
written
and
don't
make
the
amendments
that
has
been
discussed
around
this
chamber
today
and
then
we
have
a
stormwater
manual.
That
is
not
positioned
to
that.
AN
We're
going
to
create
more
of
a
problem
that
we
not
that
we're
trying
to
avoid.
We
need
to
have
this
restriction
on
build
and
fill
I
agree
without.
A
hundred
percent
must
be
just
careful
and
surgical
on
how
we
apply
it
and
where
we
apply
it
and
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
things
that
we
want
to
do,
which
were
taking
our
our
land
protecting
our
community
and
to
do
the
things
that
we're
tending
to
do
with
this.
With
this
restriction.
But
I
am
not
opposed
to
build
and
fill.
J
J
Certainly
agree
with
our
attorney:
whatever
we
do
here
tonight
will
not
take
no
effect.
I
know,
property
owners
are
any
building
permits
and
been
issued
or
will
be
issued
in
the
future,
but
we
have
to
start
someone
I
think
this
is
a
good
way
to
start
it's
not
an
ordinance
will
not
be
an
ordinance.
We
just
need
to
make
some
revisions
to
what
we
have
and
see
what
we
can
work
with.
We've
done
it
before
and
I
think
they're
here
to
run
this
table.
J
A
AC
Cost
when
Lewis
book
before
I
did
so
that
was
some
of
the
things
I
was
going
to
say
but
I
I
sat
here
and
I
said
you
know,
and
that
was
thick.
You
know,
I
must
be
went
to
the
wrong
school
or
something
or
the
schooling
I
went
to
New
York
University
might
be
taught
me
something
differently,
I
don't
know,
but
we
sit
around
this
table.
We
sit
around.
He
said
it
wrong
and
everybody's
talking
the
saying
the
same
thing
over
and
over
and
over
again
to
you,
my
colleagues,
why?
AC
If
we
hear
something
before
why
we
gonna
go
back
and
say
the
same
thing,
somebody
else
to
sing
and
just
repeating
repeating
repeating
I
think
we
have
more
education
than
that.
We
said
here
we're
talking
about
doing
it,
giving
a
first
reading.
If
you
give
a
first
reading,
we
said
we
have
to
critique
it
and
then
do
some
other
things
with
it.
It's
not
something
that's
being
approved
tonight,
so
we
can
sit
here
and
sit
here
and
talk.
Talk,
talk
all
night
long.
This
money
won't
talk
about
money.
AC
Would
what
are
we
solving,
not
a
thing?
So,
let's
go
home
vote,
give
it
first
meeting,
let's
work
on
it,
get
it
right
and
move
on.
You
know
people
watching
us
on
this
YouTube
or
whatever
and
say
they're
a
bunch
of
clowns
sitting
up
here,
look
at
least
saying
the
same
thing
over
and
over
again
nobody
making
a
decision
and
I'm
sitting
here.
Looking
looking
I
said,
you
know,
my
education
went
down
the
drain,
so
I'm
sitting
here,
I
just
sit
here.
AC
C
Oh
briefly,
so,
if
you
actually
for
those
of
listening
us
debate
this,
if
you
actually
go
look
at
this
ordinance
site,
there
is
seven
paragraphs
in
the
introductory
portion
of
it.
That
says
where,
as
which
is
sort
of
the
setup
for
the
punchline
right
and
there's
one
paragraph
of
technical
requirements
and
I
just
want
to
read
and
I
want.
It.
C
That's
a
big
statement
and
it
talks
about
us
doing
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff.
Secondly,
whereas
the
Dutch
dialogue
sessions
included
significant
discussion
on
the
negative
impacts
of
Phil,
which
you've
heard
about
tonight
in
their
report,
which
resulted
in
an
over
to
overall
recommendation
in
the
Dutch
dialogues,
Charleston's
final
report
for
the
city
to
adopt
measures
to
reduce
the
negative
impacts
of
Phil-
that's
almost
correct
what
it
really
did
is
it
resulted
in
a
series
of
recommendations
to
adopt
a
series
of
measures
to
reduce
the
impacts
of
Phil,
so
the,
whereas
is
great.
C
This
is
and
I
think
we
talked
about
this
today.
This
really
is
more
of
a
proclamation
than
it
is
an
ordinance.
It's
a
proclamation
that
we've
received
this
information.
We
spent
an
enormous
amount
of
time
on
it.
There's
a
series
of
recommendations
in
there
that
we
need
to
take
to
heart.
We
need
to
identify
those
johns
island
was
a
distinct
area
where
they
actually
identified
different
zones
based
on
location,
geography,
elevation,
it's
complicated,
there's,
no
one-size-fits-all,
so
whatever
we
give
a
reading
to
tonight
is
a
proclamation
that
we
have
taken.
C
The
Dutch
dialogues
we've
accepted
that
we
have
a
now
challenge
to
go
and
adopt
into
our
codes,
our
building
codes
and
our
planning
and
our
planning
things
that
take
into
consideration,
including
Phil
and
all
that,
but
we
need
to
integrate
it.
I
mean
we
haven't
heard
from
mr.
Lindsey
night
he's
our
planning
director.
We
need
to
get
him
involved,
so
I
don't
really
know
where
this
goes
forward,
but
I
do
believe.
C
Whatever
the
vote
is
tonight,
and
it
seems
that
it's
going
to
be
positive,
read
the
first,
whereas
sections
of
this
ordinance,
which
is
essentially
a
proclamation
that
says
the
Dutch
dialogues,
hit,
it
got
it
right,
let's
go
and
implement
it
in
a
way
that
not
one
size
fits
all
in
the
city,
a
number
of
sizes
fits
all
and
look
nah
I
mean
everyone
here
came
tonight
to
speak,
that
we
have
to
do
something
they're
right.
We
have
to
do
something.
The
Dutch
have
set
the
roadmap.
C
E
E
Secondly,
I
think
that
staff
has
done
an
unbelievable
job
on
the
ordinance
portion
of
this
piece,
because
we
have
out
it's
flexible
enough
for
us
to
implement
okay
in
such
a
way
to
address
much
of
what
we've
said
here:
I
mean
I'm,
ready.
Well,
I
mean
staff,
did
a
great
job
on
crafting
it
I
think
legal,
thankfully
go
for
it,
but
the,
whereas
is
the
preamble.
There
is
an
ordinance
here
night.
A
M
M
AR
Mr.
mayor,
we
had
a
sense:
we
had
an
elongated
version
of
B
last
time
around.
We
get
the
Cliff
Notes
version
this
time.
So
with
that
your
pleasure
mr.
fountain,
wants
to
come
up
and
give
maybe
a
two
minute
report,
two
minutes,
because
we
really
didn't
talk
about
be
that
much.
We
had
pretty
much
already
got
through
everything.
AR
AV
We
then
had
the
two
low-battery
premises:
a
project,
Awards
items
three
and
four
that
was
for
the
the
contracted
Gulfstream
for
the
actual
construction
of
low
battery,
as
well
as
the
professional
services
amendment
for
the
construction
phase
professional
services
for
JMT.
We
also
had
the
West
Ashley
Circle
connector
road,
that's
the
connector
road
again
between
Grand
Oaks
Boulevard
and
the
West
Ashley
circle
for
design
by
Kim,
Lee
horn
and
associates.
AV
We
just
briefly
touched
on
the
stormwater
fees
and
that
MS
Wharton
is
continuing
to
work
with
GW
s
on
developing
a
plan
for
a
fee
assistance
program,
and
then
we
did
touch
upon
the
stormwater
design
standards
manual.
Update
specifically
talking
about
some
of
the
fill
requirements
and
how
that
interacts
with
the
manual
thank.
AR
You
so
much
appreciate
it.
Then
we
had
a
quick
report
on
Carolina
waste.
We
only
touched
on
it
briefly
because
the
superintendent
Matt
al
Top
was
out
he'll
be
back
for
our
next
meeting.
We
just
kind
of
talked
about
some
of
the
services
and
some
of
the
issues
that
we've
been
having
and-
and
we
will
continue
that
discussion
at
the
next
meeting.
All
the
items
under
B
and
CI
were
for
information.
Only
and
I
would
ask
for
the
adoption
of
the
report.
I'd
move
for
that.
Thank.
J
A
AN
AN
The
main
part
of
this
was
that,
as
as
of
August
of
2019
sorry
odds
of
argus
or
2019,
there
are
542,
pending
jury
trial
cases,
542
pending
two
new
trial
cases,
which
also
includes
an
additional
167
DUI
trials
pending.
In
other
words,
if
we
tried
a
case
a
week,
will
take
about
10
years
to
get
rid
of
all
those
jury
trial
requests.
AN
We
have
requested
that
they
come
back
with
a
report
and
with
specific
proposals
on
how
to
reduce
that
number
of
jury
trials
that
are
pending
out
heading.
They
are
standing
from
arrests
and
occurred
back
in
2016
as
three
years
worth
of
arrests.
We
asked
to
come
back
in
30
days
with
specific
proposals
to
reduce
that
number
that
number
I
gave
you
takes
in
consideration.
AN
There
are
no
new
new
arrests
and
no
new
jury
trial
requests,
so
we
hope
to
get
report
back
from
them
within
30
days
of
that
we
do
not
receive
a
report
on
the
racial
bias
audit
and
we
did
not
take
out
the
item
number
D
on
an
ordinance
to
amend
their
responsibilities.
Those
were
on
next
meeting.
We
did
vote
on
item
number
E,
which
is
an
ordinance
and
that
the
Zimmerman
had
discussed
earlier
about
reporting.
AN
She
is
recommended
that
we
changed
the
language
of
that
the
driver
of
a
vehicle
involved
and
they
collision
or
crash
as
opposed
to
accident.
But
we
did
report
that
to
be
approved
by
council
so
would
make
that
recommendation
that
we
approved
the
amendment
on
item
number
e
on
the
section
chapter,
19
section
71,
all.
C
You
mr.
mayor
just
for
fellow
council
members
to
know
that
meeting
with
the
clerk
of
court
and
the
judges
lasted
almost
two
hours,
we
were
there
on
a
Friday
afternoon
and
they
gave
us
a
report.
It
was
the
first
report
we'd
ever
received
as
a
committee
or
in
City
Council
from
the
clerk
of
our
Municipal
Court,
since
when
did
they
say
1991
1991
1991
and
they
were
happy
to
be
there.
C
They
weren't
coming
there
reluctantly,
they
had
things
to
tell
us,
and
the
message
was
loud
and
clear
that
they
need
help
and
they've
got
some
issues
over
there
and,
as
you
know,
mr.
mayor-
and
this
is
not
new-
it's
something
I've
talked
about
for
10
years
and
I'm
gonna
continue
to
talk
about
it,
particularly
following
this
meeting
is
we
need
to
have
some
outlet
at
the
city
not
to
call
balls
and
strikes
in
the
city
court,
but
to
oversee
the
administration
of
it
and
give
them
the
help
that
they
need.
C
We
need
a
committee
to
do
that
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
will
probably
come
from
our
30-day
report
going
forward
is
that
I
mean
this.
Just
the
idea
that
there's
a
hundred
and
sixty-seven
this
is
just
DUI
cases,
not
all
cases
that
are
backlog
on
the
jury
table
trial
docket.
It
could
take
ten
years
to
clear
that
that
should
be
alarming
to
all
of
us
and
our
citizens
too.
C
It's
it
was
an
interesting
Friday
afternoon
for
sure
and
I
think
everybody
left
there
with
a
takeaway
that
we
need
to
do
something
and
this
council
is
going
to
have
to
get
involved.
So
I
want
to
thank
the
chairman
for
having
the
meeting
I
want
to
thank
the
the
clerk
and
her
staff
for
coming
and
giving
us
a
very
comprehensive
report.
They
gave
us
a
PowerPoint
if
you
haven't
seen
it
take
a
look
at
it.
It
really
goes
through
the
numbers.
The
numbers
are
huge.
C
The
cases
that
run
through
there
are
massive,
and
we
just
need
to
for
help
not
for
hindrance
for
help
to
keep
an
eye
on
what
goes
on
over
there.
So
we
can
give
them
the
resources
that
they
need
to
succeed
because
look.
The
chief
is
here,
I
mean
every
incident
that
goes
on
an
arrest
that
the
Chiefs
team
makes
of
someone
who's
violated
the
code
of
or
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
C
It
starts
the
process
and
we've
now
found
out
that
that
process
is
hitting
a
dead,
stop
and
not
going
through
the
system
where
it
should
and
that
that
was
to
me.
I
opening
and
that's
a
kind
way
of
putting
it
so
look
forward
to
that
30-day
report.
Thank
You
chief
for
your
input,
the
chief
gave
some
very
pointed
remarks
in
his
input
and
I
think
they
were
well
made
and
totally
appropriate,
totally
appropriate.
So,
let's
keep
an
eye
on
that's
our
job
and
I
think
core
Corporation
Counsel
too.
C
AA
I
have
no
knowledge
of
everything
that
you
were
just
talking
about,
and
so
thank
you
to
the
chairman
for
bringing
the
representatives
of
the
court
so
that
you
could
hear
you
know
how
we
need
to
be
making
improvements.
I'm,
actually
just
wondering
when
you
you
have
put
forward
the
ordinance
to
amend
chapter
19
councillor
shade.
Are
you
saying
we
should
change
the
accident
language
crashing
collision,
yeah.
AA
AN
AL
AU
AU
AC
AU
AA
AU
AN
Problem
was
was
a
pedicab
that
was
hit
in
the
pedicab,
did
not
fit
the
state
statute
or
the
our
ordinance
that
there
had
to
be
a
report.
So
a
person
was
able
to
essentially
have
a
hit
and
run
without
consequence,
and
that
was
a
problem,
and
that
was
in
that
person
could
have
been
seriously
injured
so
that
so.
AU
AN
The
idea
of
the
is
this
in
any
collision
in
a
collision
that
there's
something
happened.
Something
went
wrong.
Somebody
was
either
violated
a
stoplight
speeding
or
maybe
they
were
under
the
influence
you
don't
know
so
if
they
have
a
collision
and
caused
harm
or
damage
to
anybody,
you
want
them
to
stop
and
make
the
report
about
that.
AR
J
Think
we're
dealing
with
two
different
things
here.
You
know
all
rule
gives
the
city's
here
authority
to
write
ordinances
along
with
our
ordinance
to
supersede
the
state
law
and
we
we
within
power
right,
so
this
superseding
with
whatever
the
state
that
uses.
But
you
know
we
can't
go
over
the
state
that
you
see
you
have
to
I,
don't
have
to
report
it.
That's
my
question:
I
mean
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
We
need
to
report
things,
but
it
happens.
I
just.
D
AW
To
the
council-
and
that
is
that
we,
this
is
an
exact
duplication
of
the
state
law.
This
law
already
exists
by
the
city.
Adopting
this
ordinance.
What
it
would
allow
the
city
to
do
is
to
write
a
municipal
code
violation,
so
it
would
expedite
and
allow
the
city
to
to
address
these
situations
without
having
to
to
go
through
the
state
law.
We
could
just
do
it
on
a
municipal
level,
so.
AU
AU
B
AX
The
problem
we
ran
into
with
the
state
statute
was
that
a
pedicab
is
not
does
not
meet
the
definition
of
a
vehicle
and
therefore,
unless
there
was
an
injury
to
the
pedicab
driver,
the
state
statute
did
not
require
that
you
immediately
stop
and
report
it.
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
closed.
That
loophole
as
to
the
point
of
whether
hitting
a
garbage
can
on
the
way
out
of
your
driveway.
That
would
not
apply
to
this.
AX
You
still
have
to
report
that
within
24
hours
damage
to
property,
but
this
talks
about
a
vehicle
driven
or
attended
by
a
person
or
other
device
driven
or
attended
by
a
person.
So
it's
only
if
you
hit
a
car,
a
bike,
a
moped,
anything
of
that
sort,
so
it
doesn't
apply
to
hitting
a
tree
or
a
garbage
can
or
anything
else.
A
AY
I
would
just
kind
of
repeat,
what's
already
been
said,
counsel
mercies,
I
think
articulated
the
we
have
people
in
our
community
who
are
dying
from
impaired
driving,
collisions,
there's
a
lot
we
can
do
about
it,
there's
a
lot.
We
are
doing
about,
there's
a
lot
more
we're
gonna
be
doing
about
it.
Impaired
driving
is
a
significant
problem
in
this
country.
In
this
state
and
in
particular
in
our
city,
we
are
investing
a
lot
in
our
police
officers,
in-car
video
cameras,
mobile
data,
computers,
training,
etc,
etc,
etc.
AY
A
lot
of
time
is
tied
up
in
this
type
of
enforcement.
A
lot
of
time
is
tied
up
in
administrative
hearings
and
court
hearings
and
continuances.
What
we
heard
in
this
meeting
surprised
me
in
a
way
that
the
backup
is
significant,
the
way
that
the
laws
are
written
the
legislature
here,
anybody
can
do
a
jury
demand
and
we're
not
following
up
on
those
cases.
AY
When
you
look
at
the
fact
that
it
was
stated,
it
could
take
a
week
to
prepare
for
and
prosecute
a
DWI
case
if
there's
a
hundred
and
sixty-seven
pending
and
that's
a
five
hundred
and
forty
four
total,
but
just
the
DWI
cases.
If
there's
52
weeks
in
a
year,
that's
more
than
three
years
just
to
do
the
existing
cases.
C
AY
You
did
one
every
week,
so
it's
a
problem
because
those
same
people
are
on
our
roadways.
Some
of
them
have
multiple
prior
convictions.
Some
of
them
are
on
our
roadways.
We
just
had
a
snafu
at
the
General
Sessions
Court
level,
it's
a
separate
issue,
but
the
young
girl
Selma,
who
was
killed,
who
was
visiting
here
with
her
family
from
Denmark
at
rutledge
in
Calhoun,
on
the
sidewalk
with
her
family
members.
That
person
who
was
his
trial
is
pending.
AY
It
may
still
take
a
couple
years
to
hear
that
case
was
out
and
had
certain
restrictions
as
part
of
that
and
was
doing
cocaine
and
other
things
and
and
violated
and
was
out
for
six
months
now
that
person's
back
in
jail
I
only
used
that
as
an
example,
because
we
have
to
pay
attention
to
these
issues.
It
was
a
very
revealing
meeting.
There's
I
think
a
30
day,
follow-up,
I'm,
interested
I,
know
the
mayor.
I
know
the
council
is
interested
in
seeing
what
those
recommendations
are.
AY
A
C
You
mr.
mayor,
the
Committee
on
traffic
and
transportation
met
today
at
2:30
we
had
a
number
of
items.
The
first
actually
was
deferred,
which
is
the
town
of
James
Island,
Clearview
and
eastwood
neighborhood
traffic
calming
project.
We're
gonna
hear
that
at
our
next
meeting
this
cabinets
was
not
available.
We
got
a
report
from
Eric
Adams
from
the
cream.
No,
it
wasn't
Eric
Adams
activist
mister
NIMS
from
the
county
about
the
CTC
traffic
calming
program
on
voor,
kleur,
Drive
and
Rainbow
Road
I
believe
of
the
devices
are
going
up.
C
Four
of
them
only
one
was
actually
in
the
city.
Although
this
is
a
cooperative
effort
between
the
city
and
the
county
funded
by
the
county,
we
did
adopt
unanimously
the
plan
to
install
traffic
calming
devices
in
the
city,
part
of
that
project
and
I
think
that
probably
will
need
the
approval
of
this
council.
Although
it's
not
going
to
cost
us
any
money
unless
they
miss
something.
C
Fine,
oh
that's
right!
We
don't
need
it
so
anyway,
we
did
approve
one
of
the
four
from
the
city.
I
think
we
also
made
it
clear
that
the
county
needs
to
make
sure
that
the
city
residents
quite
think
live
in
councilmember
Jackson's
district
be
alerted
as
to
when
those
devices
are
going
in
in
front
of
their
houses.
C
Gotcha
councillor
Gregory.
Well,
you
can
report
to
him
because
he
left
we
got
an
update
on
the
food
vendor
ordinance
which
really
didn't
tell
us
a
whole
lot
of
anything
other
than
we
may
be.
Abandoning
the
food
vendor
ordinance
more
to
come
after
the
first
of
the
year,
so
sit
sited.
I
know
you'll,
be
on
the
edges
of
your
seat.
For
that
one,
then
we
had
two
updates.
C
One
was
on
the
TNC
companies
that
uber
is
and
the
like
in
the
commercial
district,
particularly
King
Street
councilmember
Griffin
asked
for
it
and
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Lieutenant
King,
actually,
who
used
to
be
in
that
district
now,
is
West.
Ashley
he's
now
your
lieutenant
he's
excellent.
Well,
he
took
time
out
of
his
day
to
come
and
report
to
us
and
essentially
what
he
told
us
is
the
program
that
we
have
in
place
that
we
adopted
in
2015
is
working
very
well
and
he
does
not
recommend
any
adjustments
to
it.
C
Essentially,
what
it
does
is
it
Maps
out
an
area
in
the
most
dense
portion
of
King
Street,
that
between
12:30
a.m.
and
3:00
a.m.
there
are
pickup
zones
for
the
TNCs
that
aren't
right
in
the
middle
of
the
street
right
in
the
middle
street
was
creating
problems
actually
public
safety
problems.
So
if
there's
any
specific
questions
happy
to
answer
them,
but
the
recommendation
from
lieutenant
King
was
to
keep
that
program
in
place
that
it's
working
so
sure
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Councilmember
Griffins.
AR
C
Everybody
has
to
follow
that
rule
that
is
universal
for
everybody
taxicabs
in
TNCs.
The
next
report
we
got
was
at
the
request
of
councilmember
Lewis,
which
was
seconded
by
me
very
loudly,
and
that
is
on
golf
carts,
so
councilmember
Lewis.
Here's
what
we
received
in
terms
of
report
on
what
the
rules
of
the
road
are
today
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
as
adopted
by
the
state
which
we
follow,
the
state
rules
and
my
legal
team
is
going
to
tell
me
when
I
run
afoul,
but
the
rules
are
as
follows.
C
You
can
operate
a
golf
cart
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
If
you
operate
it
within
two
miles
of
your
home,
you
do
not
operate
it
on
any
Road.
Where
speed
limit
is
35
miles
or
greater,
you
can
operate
in
Dale.
I
only
know
nighttime
operations.
You
must
be
over
the
age
of
sixteen
insured
and
registered.
Now
it
gets
interesting
from
there
unless
you
have
a
licensed
low-speed
vehicle.
C
We
really
don't
know
who
you
are
unless
you
register
your
golf
cart
and
one
of
the
things
that
has
come
up
in
our
committee
and
it
comes
up
on
the
streets
every
day
is
there?
Are
people
operating
golf
carts
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
in
violation
of
a
number
of
these
provisions
of
the
state
law,
but
not
the
least
of
which
is
the
registration
provision?
C
And
if
a
golf
cart
is
not
licensed
as
a
low-speed
vehicle
and
is
not
registered
in
accordance
with
the
registration
provisions
of
state
law,
we
have
no
way
to
identify
the
owner
/
driver
of
that
golf
cart.
Now,
when
they're
moving
violation,
we
can
get
them
but
where
it
really
becomes
difficult
is
when
they
park
them
in
zones
like
in
front
of
a
fire
hydrant
in
a
loading
zone,
or
just
that
a
meter
where
other
people
have
to
pay
their
$2
an
hour.
So
we're
gonna
take
that
up.
C
We've
taken
it
up
before
not
come
up
with
many
solutions,
but
golf
carts
were
something
and
I
think
lieutenant
King
is
set
in
through
this
to
recognize
that
we've
got
some
issues
and
it's
citywide.
It's
not
just
on
the
peninsula.
It's
all
over
the
place.
Golf
carts
are
an
accident
waiting
to
happen.
So
those
are
the
basic
rules.
Councilmember
Lewis
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
C
We
are
going
to
take
this
up
again
after
the
first
of
the
year
to
see,
if
there's
some
things,
we
can
do
at
the
city
level
to
enhance
this
ordinance
and
enhance
these
rules,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
operations
and
parking,
but
those
are
the
rules
as
they
exist.
Currently,
so
mr.
mayor
I
see,
there's
some
hands
up,
I'm
happy
to.
F
F
Property,
essentially,
when
I
vacationed
last
week
or
this
past
summer,
it
Edisto
you
had
to
be
registered
there,
you
had
to
be
registered
with
the
state,
but
they
also
had
a
register.
It
was
very
simple:
you
walk
in
you.
Should
you
have
your
registration?
You
show
that
you
have
your
that
you're
insured
and
all
that,
and
they
give
you
a
sticker
to
put
on
that
golf
cart,
but
you
have
to
be
registered
with
Edisto
Beach
as
well
as
the
state,
and
it
may
just
be
a
recommendation
that
we
first.
F
C
J
What's
concern
about,
I
can
tell
you
my
neighborhood,
you
just
don't
drive
around
on
the
day
to
drive
around
at
night.
You
got
the
baby
in
the
song
dog
and
sitting
on
the
lap
hot
dog,
and
you
got
a
can
of
in
there
and
I
mean
they're
just
you
know,
but
well,
I
think
something
that
we've
got
to
continue
to
work
and.
C
Thank
you,
everything,
Thank
You,
councillor,
Ellis,
I,
think
one
of
the
things
it
was
very
clear
to
all
of
us
in
the
committee
today
is:
we
do
have
a
gap
in
first
off
understanding
what
the
rules
of
the
road
are.
Now
we
know
them
and
secondly,
with
some
enforcement
and
there's
we
got
a
report
that
there's
been
guarded
enforcement
and
we'll
probably
have
to
talk
some
more
to
our
Police
Department
about
that.
So
thank
you.
Well,.
H
AA
AA
Were
you
there
and
they
and
they
talked
about
how
they're
gonna
make
a
big
push
across
the
state
to
sort
of
uniform
the
business
license
process
and
the
collection
culture
process
in
particular,
so
that
so
that
it
becomes
more
amenable
to
the
municipal
side
of
the
of
the
collection,
as
opposed
to
the
state
trying
to
take
over
and
I.
Don't
remember
all
the
details,
but
it
was
basically
their
safety
in
numbers,
so
the
municipalities
do
it
the
same
way
than
the
state
legislature
wouldn't
have
the
same
argument
that
we're
not
doing
it
well
and
so.
AA
I
know
that
Charleston
has
been
out
in
front
in
terms
of
having
our
own
way
of
collections,
and
you
know
tracking
and
all
of
that,
but
I.
But
I
was
wondering
if
our
CFO
had
ever
really
thought
or
whoever
is
in
charge
of
it.
I'm,
assuming
it's
miss
wardens,
our
caucus,
if
we
never
really
given
it
any
thought
about
whether
we
should
join
in
with
the
rest
of
the
municipality
council,.
AL
Member
Jackson,
we
we
have
looked
at
that
in
the
past
and
to
tell
you
the
truth.
Some
of
the
rates
and
categories
that
the
Municipal
Association
is
promoting
are
inconsistent
with
what
the
city
does
and
and
frankly,
we
feel
we
garner
more
revenue
through
our
individual
specialized.
Look
at
things,
we'll
take
a
look
at
it
again,
but
certainly
the
last
time
we
did
look
at
it.