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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Rules Advisory Committee 9/8/2022
A
B
Okay,
well,
we
can
dispense
with
some
of
the
initial
business,
then
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
at
5
12
and
call
the
ad
hoc
rules
advisory
committee
meeting
to
order
for
september
8th
originally
slated
for
5
p.m.
And
I
would
appreciate
if
we
could
get
started
with
agenda
item
1,
which
is
an
invocation,
and
I
would
just
ask
for
a
moment
of
silence
and
everyone
to
keep
the
royal
family
in
the
united
kingdom
and
your
thoughts
and
prayers
as
queen
elizabeth
did
pass
away.
This
morning.
B
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Next
up
we
have
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
june
29
2022
initial
meeting
of
the
ad
hoc
rules
committee.
Is
there
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes
so
moved.
C
B
B
D
Or
I'll
take
it,
I
believe
the
proposed
revisions
are
attached
to
the
agenda
and
I'm
hoping
this
accurately
reflects
our
conversation
a
few
months
back,
but
what
it
is
spelling
out
basically
is
any
council
member
who
would
like
to
add
an
item
to
the
agenda.
Would
first
go
through
council
communications
as
a
discussion
item
wherein
council
would
discuss
and
if
they
wanted
to
move
forward,
they
would
push
it
toward
the
appropriate
committee
for
vetting.
D
The
committee
would,
I
believe,
advise
us
to
draft
an
actual
ordinance.
Jennifer,
please
jump
in
here
and
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong.
Thank
you
there.
It
is
all
I
have.
Is
my
cell
phone
today
trying
to
read
these
so
here
we
go
so
first.
Yes,
it
was
started
in
council
communications
on
the
city
agenda
council
would
direct
staff
to
draft
the
proposed
ordinance
so
there
we
go
to
be
considered
by
the
appropriate
standing
committee.
So
at
that
point
by
majority
of
council
we
would
be
as
staff
directed
to
draft
a
proposed
ordinance.
B
So
julia
does
that
give
in
this
proposal.
Does
it
give
your
office
enough
time
to
based
on
this
draft
the
ordinance
if
it
comes
through
communication,
you
know,
obviously
I
think,
there's
usually
a
consultation
process.
Then
if
it
meets
the
vote
threshold,
your
office
would
work
on
drafting
it.
B
Obviously,
with
whomever
was
the
council
member
who
recommended
it
for
communication
and
then
it
then
it
pretty
much
just
follows
kind
of
the
normal
process
from
there,
but
does
that
the
first
portion
of
that
give
your
office
enough
time
to
draft
it
based
on
if
it
comes
from
communications
and
then
needs
to
go
to
committee.
D
You
know-
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
on
case
by
case.
Obviously,
if
it's
a
larger
piece
of
legislation,
we'll
speak
up
during
the
council
meeting
and
ask
for
additional
time
for
the
you
know.
So
when
you
direct
us,
you
tell
us
to
come
back
in
a
certain
amount
of
time.
I
figured
if
we
leave
it
clean
like
it
is
here.
It
gives
you
some
discretion
as
council
to
make
those
decisions.
B
Yeah,
I
was
going
to
say
it's
because
there's
not
any
time
frames
in
there.
I
think
it
allows
for
the
discussion
to
kind
of
dictate
what
we
think
the
appropriate
time
frame
would
be,
whether
it's
the
next
committee
meeting
or
it's
the
following
month's
committee
meeting
or
that
type
of
thing
you
know
so
I
do.
I
do
think
that
that's
leaving
up
to
the
case
by
case
is
probably
better
than
spelling
out
immediately
because
it
could
be
if
something
did
come
forward
that
got
added
to
the
agenda
on
you
know.
B
The
monday
agenda
meeting
comes
to
council
the
following
week.
I
could
see
where
you
know,
based
on
the
circumstances
going
on,
that
it
could
could
be
something
that
needs
to
happen
right
away,
or
it
could
be
something
that
has
time
to
kind
of
get
mulled
over.
C
Thank
you
chair.
I
missed
the
first
meeting,
so
I
may
may
be
asking
a
question
that
has
already
been
addressed,
but
in
the
bolded
underline
it
says
this
city
council
may
then
direct
staff
to
draft
the
proposed
ordinance
to
be
considered
by
the
appropriate
standing
committee.
Is
there
a
vote
that
we
will
take.
B
No,
I
was
gonna
say
it,
so
I
I
think
I
can
at
least
answer
it,
so
the
the
idea
would
be
when
it
comes
to
council
communication.
B
And
and
counselor
second,
just
for
your
background,
the
the
idea
was
to
streamline
the
process
a
little
bit
instead
of
12
of
us,
plus
the
mayor
moving
the
staff
to
ask
for
ordinances
to
be
drafted
before
there's
even
a
will
of
counsel,
whether
it
even
wants
to
be
considered.
B
The
idea
was
to
move
it
before
the
body
first,
in
order
to
see,
if
there's
a
will
to
pursue
the
topic
at
hand
and
then
should
the
code
of
ordinances
need
to
be
revised
in
such
manner,
then
the
will
of
council
would
need
a
majority
vote
in
order
to
direct
staff
to
begin
that
process,
because
you
know
it's,
it's
time-consuming
and
laborious
for
the
staff
to
begin
drafting
those,
especially
as
I'm
sure
you
know
going
back
and
forth
with
legal
on
those,
especially
for
us
non-lawyers
in
the
group.
B
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
a
process
by
which
staff
could
understand
clearly
delineated
as
a
law
right,
because
this
is
going
to
be
in
the
ordinances
how
things
have
to
happen
so
that
there's
not
kind
of
the
questions
of
well.
I
want
an
ordinance
to
be
considered
by
this
committee,
and
so
I'm
going
to
you,
know,
email,
julia
and
ask
for
this
to
be
coming.
You
know
type
up
an
ordinance
when
there's
not
even
any
indication
that
council
or
a
committee
wants
to
consider
it.
B
E
I
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
policy.
I
thought
about
it.
It's
you
know
kind
of
a.
I
think
we
talked
about
a
bunch
of
stuff
at
the
first
meeting,
but
I
think
this
is
good
because
it
it
still
allows
the
committees
to
have
to
talk
about
the
policy
before
we
direct
staff
to
to
actually
draft
an
ordinance
right.
So
they
can.
E
The
committee
chairs
still
have
their
full
purview.
They
can
have
the
discussion
on
what
they
want
the
policy
to
be.
They
can
bring
the
policy
to
the
full
body
to
see
you
know
to
kind
of
start
gauging
whether
it's
actually
going
to
be
worth
bringing
it
up
at
a
full
city,
council
meeting
worth
directing
staff
resources
to
drafting
it,
and
then
they'll
then
have
another
chance
to
workshop
the
actual
language
of
the
ordinance
before
it
gets
back
to
us.
So
to
me
this
is
a.
This
is
a
really
good
policy.
F
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
say
for
consistency's
sake,
maybe
you
should
say
in
the
second
sentence
of
c
a
majority
of
city
council.
May
then
direct
staff,
just
like
you
do
in
the
last
sentence,
just
a
suggestion.
B
Yep,
no,
I
is
there
any
objection
to
that.
I
definitely
agree
all
right
without
objection.
Okay,
all
right,
councilmember,
sacrament,.
C
This
is
just
one
route
for
ordinances:
to
get
to
to
council
agenda
or
is
this?
Is
this
the
preferred
route?
I
guess
my
question
is
focused
on
on,
for
example,
everything
we've
got
on
with
hark
right
now.
Hopefully
soon
some
of
those
recommendations
are
going
to
start
coming
to
council.
The
plan
is
for
those
recommendations
to
be
funneled
through
the
standing
committees.
B
So
the
way
from
the
first
discussion,
we
had
kind
of
talked
about
three
ways
that
things
come
to
council.
So
this
is
in
no
way
abrogates
the
mayor's
prerogative,
as
the
executive
officer
of
the
city
to
place
an
ordinance
on
an
agenda
right.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
one
route,
but
then,
as
things
percolate
up
from
our
advisory
commissions
and
other
bodies
in
the
city,
those
then
end
up
going
to
kind
of
a
committee
of
first
instance.
B
If
you
want
to
think
of
it
that
way
or
they
can
come
to
council
from
those
particular
commissions
or
other
bodies,
because
not
everything's
in
commission
and
and
then
those
can
be
placed
through
the
mayor's
prerogative
on
the
agenda
as
well.
This
is
for
more
council
or
council
member
directed
items
that
would
otherwise
be
just
kind
of
one-offs
that
we
would
want
to
see
come
to
council
like
whenever.
B
Whenever
we
want
to
an
issue
comes
up,
it
could
be
localized,
it
may
not
be,
but
the
council
member
feels
that
it's
worthy
of
discussion
and
then
would
like
to
see
it
get
referred
to
committee.
This
is
the
the
process
by
which
that
we
can
actually
spell
out
what
that
is,
which
it
was
always
kind
of
informal.
B
But
you
know,
based
on
on
my
experience,
I
think
other
members
experience
there
wasn't
a
formalized
process
and
it
was
beginning
to
burden
staff
which
obviously
we
don't
want,
and
also
when
a
member
of
the
public
would
ask
me
like
how
how
does
an
ordinance
get
adopted,
and
I
couldn't
really
tell
him,
because
it's
not
spelled
out
you
know,
so
it
it
in
no
way
aggregates
the
mayor's
authority.
But
this
is
if
it's
a
council,
member-initiated
ordinance.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
thinking
an
item
c.
I
think
the
last
sentence
should
be
first.
Should
there
be
no
appropriate
committee
for
assignment
the
majority
of
council
may
direct
as
opposed
to
a
council
member
may
bring
up
a
pool's
audience.
The
first
thing
the
councilman
should
do,
or
the
amendment
council
should
do,
is
see
what
appropriate
commit
standing
committee.
This
goes
in
front
of
that
should
be
the
first
thing
now,
if
it
doesn't.
Obviously
you
know
have
a
standing
committee
that
it
would
be
appropriate.
G
Then
I
guess
you
know
you
would
bring
it
to
council,
and
then
we
decide
whether
you
know
the
senate
to
staff
whatever,
but
so
I
I
like
it,
but
I
just
think
that
sentence
should
be
first
and
then,
when
we,
I
thought
part
of
this
got
back
to
councilmember
bowden's
concern.
When
you
know
the
issue
came
from
community
development.
I
think
community
development
met
on
a
thursday
and
the
following
tuesday.
G
It
was
in
front
of
council
and
you
know,
created
a
lot
in
particular
lack
of
information
for
those
who
were
not
on
when
they
were
right.
So
how
do
we
accomplish
that?
Ms
copeland?
G
An
example
of
something
that
comes
from
a
committee,
an
audience
that
comes
from
a
committee
standing
committee-
comes
to
keeping
giving
council
more
time
to,
in
particular
members
who
are
not,
and
obviously
for
the
mayor's
amendment,
all
standing
commitment,
council
members
who
were
not
a
part
of
the
standing
committee
to
have
appropriate
time
to
review
and
ask
their
questions
prior
to
it
hitting
the
floor
of
city
council.
How
does
this
ordinance
accomplish
the
concern
that
councilmember
bowden
had
and,
I
think,
very
legitimate?
I
felt
the
same
way.
G
It
was
unfair
for
that
to
come
less
than
a
week
to
the
whole,
the
body
of
the
home.
How
does
this
change
accomplish
that?
Giving
more
time.
G
Well,
let
me
give
a
suggestion:
one
that
came
up
that
night.
You
know
when
something
passes
the
planning
commission
rezoning
it
didn't.
It
doesn't
come
to
the
next
council.
I
think
it's
30
days
before
it
comes
to
the
council,
so
we
council
members
have
from
when
the
planning
commission
votes
on
it
almost
a
month
before
it
comes
forward
to
council.
Now
one
of
the
problems
with
that
is,
if
it's
something
urgent,
that's
time
sensitive
or
even
the
mundane,
you
know
that
we
really
don't.
G
We
don't
want
to
hold
up
the
purchase
of
a
sanitation
truck
because
of
that
right.
So
that's
the
trick,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
can,
if
something
can
be
found
from
how
changes
to
our
ordinance
come
forward
from
the
planning
commission
to
us,
there's
certainly
ample
time
prior
to
it,
hitting
a
council
member's
agenda.
Can
we
do
something
similar
when
something
in
particular
that's
a
huge
change
for
the
city?
G
B
Well,
thank
you
councilmember
warren
and
I
and
I
definitely
agree-
and
I
think,
there's
a
way
to
parse
some
language
where
we
exclude
ways
and
means
right,
because
that
has
to
come
immediately
to
council,
where
we
can
exclude
that
but
come
up
with
some
language
that
would
allow,
for.
I
would
call
it
like
a
cooling
off
period.
You
know
that
or
a
review
period
or
something
to
that
effect.
But
I
saw
mayor
teklenberg
and
then
councilmember
bowden.
F
So
a
couple
of
things,
your
remarks,
mr
chairman,
about
the
administration's
right
and
ability
to
you
know,
continue
to
bring
things
forward,
as
as
it
would
recommend.
I
just
questioned
whether
we
should
specify
the
section
2-24
to
be
the
adoption
of
council
member
initiated
ordinances.
F
Just
so
a
future
council
wouldn't
be
confused
to
think
that
this
was
the
only
way
to
you
know,
bring
something
forward.
So
that's
one
thing,
and
then
I
was
curious
julia.
It
says
in
a
that
no
ordinance
shall
have
the
force
of
law
until
it
has
been
read
two
times
on
two
separate
days,
but
the
way
we
do
it
now
we
read
it
three
times
total
on
two
separate
days
right.
Is
that
correct.
D
You
know:
that's,
we've
never
focused
on
a
so
you're
reading
that
to
me
that
causes
some
consternation.
That
probably
needs
to
be
changed
as
well.
Considering
we
have
three
readings
or
you
tell
me,
jennifer,
what's
going
on
there.
A
Yes,
so
I
I
think,
there's
a
separate
portion
of
the
code
that
addresses
three
readings.
I
think
this
is
just
trying
to
say
that
so
it's
it's
in
the
rules
that
you
can
do.
You
can
have
a
not
in
this
section,
but
that
you
can
have
second
and
third
reading
at
the
same
meeting.
This
is
just
saying
that
you
have
to
have
these
six
days
in
between
so
like
you
can't
have
a
a
council
meeting
on
tuesday
and
then
have
a
special
counsel
meeting
that
thursday
to
get
it
second
and
third
reading.
F
Well,
I
I
would
still
recommend
that
this
be
consistent
with
the
way
it's
stated
wherever
else
you're
talking
about.
It
seems
to
me
that
it's
different
than
what
we
currently
practice,
so
I
would
I
would
just
look
at
that
other
section
and
and
make
them
consistent,
would
recommend
that.
B
I
would
I
would
agree.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
councilmember,
bowden.
E
Thank
you
so
the
I
guess
I
have
a
couple
questions
so
the
where
it
says
proposed
ordinance
and
I
think
the
mayor's
suggestion
that
was
very
helpful.
I
agree
that
we
should
make
this
adoption
of
council
member
proposed
ordinances,
but
where
it
says
proposed
ordinance
in
section
c.
E
D
E
Your
question
I
just
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
those
were
technically
ordinances-
or
you
know
some
other
technical
language
that
we
you
know
take
them,
take
them
out
of
the
definition
of
ordinance
under
under
this
section,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
what
language
that
would
be
but
to
to
me
what
I
had
envisioned
is
like
big
picture
policy
changes
right,
that
you
know
ways
and
means
really
aren't.
D
No,
I
agree,
and
I
think
the
exclusion
of
ways
and
means
as
councilman
brady
was
mentioning
in
a
second
sub-section,
will
help
clear
that
up.
D
E
Just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
going
to
get
in
the
way
of
the
ordinary
city
business
that
we
that
we
need
to
be
dealing
with
quickly
and
then
the
other
thing
is
yeah.
E
As
I
read
this
section,
and
I
think
I've
been
clear
that
that
what
I
want
is
the
same
thing
that
council
member
brady
just
said
the
the
the
cooling
off
period.
E
I
I
I
think
this
gets
at
that
at
least,
and
I'm
interested
in
why
the
community
development
example
wouldn't
have
been
solved
by
this,
where
the
the
policy
idea
that
underlies
it
needs
to
go
to
counsel
first
before
the
actual
language
gets
drafted.
So
what
was?
I
guess
different
about
that
example
that
wouldn't
have
been
hit
by
this
amendment.
D
Well
c,
specifically
talks
about
proposals
that
are
driven
by
council
members
right
reaching
out
to
staff
asking
to
get
things
done.
The
issue
with
the
fair
housing
ordinance
was
that
it
actually
came
through
the
community
development
committee
and
came
out
as
a
committee
report
and
request
for
first
reading,
so
it
wouldn't
have
been
captured
in
c.
D
So
if
we
have
a
separate
section
that
talks
about
a
cooling
off
period,
if
something
does
come
directly
out
of
a
committee,
I
think
that
would
capture
what
you're
talking
about
just
want
to
keep
it
as
simple
as
possible,
and
I
think,
go
ahead.
Sergeant.
F
A
A
A
So
this
is
the
code
section
that
addresses
how
we
do
the
the
three
readings
of
our
ordinances,
the
other
section
that
you
know
I
don't
know-
if
maybe
you
want
to
combine
these
two
sections,
but
the
section
that
we're
looking
at
amending
is
entitled
adoption
of
ordinances
and
how
they
are
adopted
by
council.
Maybe
these
two
sections
need
to
be
combined,
but
this
has
all
the
information
about
how
we
handle
the
passage
of
those
ordinances
right
now
that
first
section
was
just
saying
that
you
need
to
have
two
meetings
in
between.
A
B
So
would
it
be
possible,
then,
in
the
other
section
that
we
were
just
discussing
a
through
c?
Would
it
be
possible
in
a
to
reference,
2-46
and
just
take
out
the
stuff
that
talked
about
the
two
readings
and
just
say
something
the
effect
of
following
the
procedures
as
outlined
in
municipal
code,
section
2-46.
B
G
But
again
it
was
about
the
time
and
thing
that
councilmember
bowden
brought
up,
because
I,
for
example,
I
put-
I
have
something:
that's
going
in
front
of
community
development
about
the
design
corridor
review
board.
G
I'm
gonna
be
going
in
in
september,
and
I
certainly
would
like
to
have
council
members
who
are
not
on
that
committee.
You
know
to
have
appropriate
time
to
kick
that
one
around
before
coming
to
the
floor
council.
I
don't
think
it's
that
much
of
a
change,
but
everybody
should
be
aware
of
what
it
is
now
with
the
proposal
just
for
the
change
to
be,
but
anyway,
so
again
that
that
piece
about
we're
concentrating
on
things
that
are
that
really
fit
a
standing
committee.
G
But
anyway,
you
know
when
things
come
from
a
standing
committee,
you
know
I
get
their
times.
I
I
just
don't
like
councilman
brought
up
a
really
good
point.
I
mean
a
committee
that
meets
on
thursday
and
you
know
tuesday.
G
Everybody
else
is
considering
something
that
they
may
be
getting
bombarded
about,
it'd
be
great
for
them
to
have
more
time.
B
Could
we,
then,
I
think,
to
solve
that
problem?
Could
we
insert
something
maybe
section
d
that
mentions
that
committee
meetings
occurring
within
six
days
of
a
duly
scheduled
council
meeting
any
items
up
for
first
reading
from
or
referred
for,
first
reading
from
the
committee
would
have
to
have
one
council
meeting
a
lapse
in
great.
G
A
G
Chairman,
when
I
was,
would
I
well
go
ahead?
You
had
a
good
thought
going
on.
B
What's
the
emergency
control,
though,
for
if
something
needs
to
immediately
be
placed
on
the
agenda
like
something
passes
out
of
committee,
it
needs
to
go
direct
to
council.
Do
we
leave
that
up
to
the
mayor's
prerogative,
or
is
it
if
it?
You
know,
by
unanimous
vote
of
the
committee,
it
can
be
placed
on.
G
B
G
D
A
As
long
as,
if
it's
just
applying
to
ordinances
getting
proposed
by
council
members,
you
just
don't
want
to
get
annexations
held
up
because
real
estate
public
works,
public
safety,
they're
all
going
to
be
meeting
before
council,
and
so
any
ordinances
that
are
going
to
those
committees
would
be
going
out
in
that
agenda
packet
before
the
committees
have
actually
met.
So
I
mean
they
may
in
fact
end
up
making
amendments
at
the
meeting
yeah.
I.
D
B
A
It
would
mean
that
you
would
have
to
if,
if
you
applied
this
new
rule,
you
would
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
consider
any
ordinances
from
public
works
at
the
council
meeting
the
next
day.
You
would
have
to
wait
for
the
next
meeting
two
weeks
from
now
and
during
the
summer
you
would
have
to
wait
for
the
meeting
a
month
from
then.
So
that's
the
only
you
know,
issue.
E
E
Would
that
be
handled
by
the
administration
being
able
to
put
those
things
directly
from
committee
on
to
the?
Because
to
me
those
aren't
those
aren't
council
member
proposed.
Those
are
things
that
come
to
us
from
staff
on
an
agenda
and
we
consider
and
then
they
go
on
to
the
on
the
directly
onto
the
city
council
agenda.
B
So
julia
is
there
a
way
to
come
up
with
like
an
elastic
clause?
That's
like
I'm
just
obviously
not
a
lawyer
in
spitballing,
but
like
something
that
would
say
that
matters
requiring
immediate
attention
from
counsel
are
exempted
or
something
to
that
effect.
That's
kind
of
the
the
catch-all
and
then
it
allows
for
some
discretion
kind
of
like
the
necessary
and
proper
clause
in
the
constitution.
D
B
Yeah
because
I
think
it's
easy
to
say,
you
know
exempt
ways
and
means
just
because
it's
a
committee
of
the
whole
anyway,
but
then
come
up
with
some
type
of
elastic
phrase
that
will
allow,
for
you
know
things
from
public
works.
That
type
of
thing
that
may
need
to
be
considered.
A
Mr
chairman,
councilmember
waring
has
his
hand
up,
but
would
it
be
easier
just
to
apply
it
to
apply
that
timeline
only
to
ordinances
proposed
by
a
council
member?
Because
if
you
exempt
ways
and
means
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
know
you
could
have
an
ordinance,
that's
proposed
by
a
council
member
that
ends
up
going
through
ways
and
means.
D
G
Go
ahead.
Sorry,
thank
you,
mr.
I
actually
think
what
mrs
cook
just
said
is
it
you
know,
driven
by
ordinance,
driven
by
council
members.
I
mean
something
that
comes
from
the
man
staff
to
public
works.
G
C
G
C
G
Something
that
comes
from
maybe
left
field,
that's
my
turn
from
a
council
member
can
create,
because
nobody
knows
knows
it's
coming
besides
legal
and
that
council
member,
so
I
think
what
jennifer
said
is
probably
does
it
the
other
things
that
has
been
vetted
again
by
men
and
department,
heads
legal
before
it
even
comes
to
that
committee?
F
G
B
Does
anyone
else
have
anything
on
that?
I
definitely.
I
definitely
think
you're
you're
on
to
something
councilmember.
F
Correct
correct,
I
guess
I
would
like
to
make
a
a
more
general
observation,
and
maybe
this
is
stating
something
that
that's
obvious
and-
and
I
support
what
we're
doing
here,
because
I
I
believe,
even
though
we
have
a
strong
mayor
form
of
govern
government
in
the
city
of
charleston,
that
council
members
who
would
like
to
propose
any
idea
for
an
ordinance
ought
to
have
the
opportunity
to
regardless
of
whether
the
administration
agrees
with
them
with
the
idea
or
not.
But
you
know
somebody
can.
F
The
other
way
is
for
for
a
council
member
to
call
the
mayor
and
say
hey
mayor,
I
got
a
good
idea,
you
know
what
do
you
think
about
so-and-so
and
you
know
if
the
mayor
agrees,
then
we
can
bring
him
forward.
You
know
just
letting
you
know,
I
don't
know
what
mayor
riley
would
have
thought
about
this
provision
right
here.
Councilmember
waring.
G
Yeah,
he
wouldn't
I'm
sorry
he
he.
He
wouldn't
like
that
at
all
about
it.
You
know,
but
I
mean
but
but
there
are
things
that,
for
various
reasons
I
don't
say
cross,
you
just
have
a
difference
on
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
75
rule.
Mr
man.
G
You
had
a
difference
with
that.
I
had
a
different,
you
know,
council,
a
majority
council
was
for
it
and
we
were
caught
up
in
something
that
had
us
trapped
from
the
late
1930s.
You
know
all
the
way
to
this
moment
so
but
again
the
system
worked.
I
think
it
took
a
little
while,
but
it
worked
so
yeah.
I
appreciate
your
latitude,
but
I
too,
you
know
when
that
piece
came
from
community
development.
I
think,
mr
mill,
you
you
you
had
that
meeting.
It
was.
G
It
was
hotly
contested
in
community
development,
and
so
when
it
came
forward
to
council
guess
what
same
thing
happened
yeah.
So
anyway,
oh
my
god,
you
had
a
good
observation
that,
hopefully
I
think
you're
gonna
be
better
as
a
result.
B
Now
miss
copeland.
Do
you
have
everything
you
need
that's
clear
as
mud
to
to
draft
what
we've
been
talking
about.
D
So
are
we
still
on
the
same
page,
despite
what
I
thought
I
heard
what
jennifer
cook
just
said,
and
it
almost
feels
like
d,
is
not
necessary
if
we're
going
to
keep
it
just
council
member
driven,
but
I
also
I
mean
I
feel
like
we
need
to
cooling
off
period,
section
d
for
things
that
come
straight
out
of
committee.
So
let
me
try
and.
D
Review
period
right
and
I
will
jennifer
and
I
will
bat
it
around
with
rick
and
we'll
come
back
I'll,
send
you
guys
something
to
take
a
look
at
and
we'll
see
if
we
can
pass
muster
and
I'll
make
these
other
varying
changes
that
were
mentioned
as
well.
The
title
change
the
majority
of
council
referencing
2-46,
we'll
get
all
that
to
you.
G
When
we
fine-tune
this,
how
long
are
we
going
to
give
council
to
look
at
this
before
it
comes
to.
G
Comes
to
the
floor,
I
mean.
B
G
B
So
at
the
last
meeting
we
had
discussed
the
concept
of
including
a
consent
agenda
on
the
council
agenda,
so
that
items
that
are
generally
not
or
I
should
say
items
that
generally
would
pass
with
unanimous
support
the
minutes.
Things
of
that
nature
could
be
dispensed
with
in
the
agenda,
rather
than
have
them
be
completely
separate
line
items
understanding
that
the
consent
agenda
process,
if
any
member
objects
to
an
item
on
a
consent
agenda.
That
item
may
be
pulled
out
for
separate
consideration.
B
B
You
know
if
there's
generally
like
when
I
was
on
a
board
of
education,
appointments
would
usually
go
on
their
appointments
to
boards
and
commissions
because
again,
if
any
member
objects
that
wants
something
considered
separately,
that
can
be
pulled
out
from
the
consent
agenda,
but
those
are
generally
the
things
that
don't
have
you
know
tons
of
discussion
or
anything
like
that.
G
I
I've
been
on
boards
and
things
that
had
that
and
but
usually
those
those
are
kind
of
private
situations.
The
only
thing
that
I
think
with
going
out
consent
agenda,
almost
uncontested
would
probably
be,
as
you
said,
the
minutes
are
maybe
bids
and
purchases,
but
because
of
the
public
input
process,
I
don't
know
that
we
can
put
a
half
a
dozen
things
and
an
experience
that
I've
had.
It's
usually
been
a
ceo
that
and
his
executive
or
the
c-suite
that
determines
what
goes
on
in
set
agenda.
G
So,
for
example,
if
you
had
a
finance
committee,
okay,
the
finance
committee
reported
sent
out
to
the
board
members
and
that
would
be
on
the
consent
agenda.
If
no
one
had
any
questions
about
the
finance
committee
after
reviewing
their
boardroom
package,
it
brought
package
that
would
be
on
the
concentrate.
But
if
there
was
one
item
on
that
finance
committee
report,
you
can
as
count
as
councilman
brady
says
you
can
pull
that
out
to
discuss
that
item.
But
the
remainder
of
the
report
would
go
forward.
G
So
but
when
I
look
at
the
city
council
agenda,
as
I
say
so
much
of
it
is
really
for
the
transparency
to
the
public.
There'd
be
a
couple
of
things
on
there,
but
beyond
bids
and
purchases
which
is
kind
of
like
automatic,
you
know
we
vote
on
it
again.
The
minutes
we
vote
on
it
like
that,
but
I
I
don't
know
that
you
know
on
city
council
agenda
you
may
be
able
to.
G
I
don't
even
know
if
you
can
put
you'd
have
to
eliminate
the
report,
because
real
estate
is
part
of
ways
and
means
you
may
be
able
to
put
ways
and
means
on
there.
But
real
estate
is
part
of
that.
I
don't
know
I
the
public
foot
part,
I
think,
gets
kind
of
lost
in
the
consent
agenda
thing.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
but
when
you
look
at
the
items
that
are
not
automatic
and
requires
public
input,
I
think
that
kind
of
happens
on
city,
council
and
items
that
can
be
placed
there.
E
I've
been
trying
to
pay
really
close
attention
to
the
things
that
may
have
been
included
in
some
sort
of
consent
agenda,
since
you
propose
it,
and
I
think
it's
a
really
good
idea,
except
that
I
think
we
move
so
quickly
through
them
as
it
is
that
in
you
know,
in
consideration
of
limited
staff
resources,
I
don't
see
it
as
something
that's
totally
necessary
and
that's
you
know,
and
that's
that's
really.
My
only
input
is
that
it's.
E
This
just
seems
like
something
that
is,
you
know,
maybe,
in
a
in
a
perfect
world
we
could
combine,
but
not
being
able
to.
You
know,
sit
here
and
enumerate
the
things
that
should
automatically
be
included
in
there
that
we
all
agree
on
it's
just
you
know
I
I
hate
to
burden
legal
with
one
more
thing,
considering
when
we
meet
on
tuesday,
we'll
probably
give
him
50
more
things
to
deal
with.
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
I'm
fine,
fine
scrappy
and
I
definitely
agree
councilmember
waring
that
I
mean
we
could
technically
move
ways
and
means
in
there,
but
I
think
just
from
the
the
flow
of
it
and
there's
also,
you
know,
have
been
moments
where
we've
had
ways
and
means
that
people
will
reserve
what
they're
going
to
say
for
city,
council
and
whatnot.
So
I
mean
I
don't.
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
would
be
included.
B
The
thought
was
just
to
where
we
could
on
the
agenda
speed
up
just
because
you
know
we're
not
exactly
the
united
states
senate
like
we're,
not
the
world's
greatest
deliberative
body,
but
you
know
some
some
of
their
committee
meetings
last
they
go
shorter
than
ours.
B
But
yeah,
I'm
fine!
If
we
want
to
you,
know
just
table
this
item
and
and
reserve
it
for
another
time.
If
and
when
council
so
decides.
F
If
I
may
comment
since
we're
talking
about
it,
just
based
on
council
member
waring's
example
of
like
a
finance
committee
and
and
a
lot
of
our
council
business
is
taking
hearing
the
reports
from
the
different
committee
standing
committees
and
but
oftentimes,
there
are
a
number
of
items
on
coming
from
each
committee
that
aren't
really
even
voted
on
necessarily
they're
just
reported
on,
and
so
I
think
for
transparency's
sake
at
council.
It's
important
to
have
those
reports.
F
You
know
agenda.
I
I've
been
wrong
a
number
of
times
since
I'm
the
mayor
in
both
ways.
I
I
there'll
be
some
items
saying:
oh
my
god
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
for
an
hour
and
it
passes.
You
know,
and
nobody
says
something
and
then
something
that
I
think
is
like
a
no-brainer
and
everybody's
going
to
pass.
You
know
we
end
up.
You
know
having
a
long
discussion
about
it.
So
it's
I
gotta
tell
you.
My
experiences
is
pretty
unpredictable.
E
I
mean
we
can
just
appoint
councilmember
seekings
in
charge
of
combining
all
the
things
that
should
be
combined.
F
B
All
right,
well,
I'm
happy
to
without
objection.
We
can
just
kind
of
set
that
one
aside
for
again
at
such
time
that
council
may
decide
to
take
that
matter
up.
Should
it
come
forward
again
all
right
with
that,
I
don't
have
anything
else.
Does
anyone
else
have
any
matters
to
come
before
the
ad
hoc
rules
committee
before
we
adjourn.
G
I
brought
up
a
couple
other
things,
but
I
gotta
be
frank:
I
miss
lunch
and
I'm
hungry,
so
I'm
running
out
of
energy
man.
D
G
D
B
Thank
you,
miss
copeland,
and
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
input
and
taking
time
on
a
thursday
evening,
and
I
will
get
with
madame
clerk
and
madam
deputy
corporation
council
on
scheduling
the
follow-up
meeting.
Once
we
have
the
language
that
we
all
talked
about,
and
we
can
get
this
thing
to
council
soon.
Hopefully,.