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City of Charleston Human Affairs and Racial Conciliation Commission Meeting 8/18/22
A
A
B
D
Good
evening
I
think
we
had
a
new
member
or
someone
we
haven't
seen.
So
if
you
can
just
introduce
yourself
and.
D
But
thank
you
Bonnie
nice
to
see
you
hey,
Sam,
Bowden
nice,
to
see
you
so
with
that
we'll
we
will
get
started
and
we
will
do
an
invocation,
so
I
do
want
to
also
mention
that
invocation
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
a
prayer.
It
could
be
a
moment
of
silence,
so
in
that
spirit,
I
will
handle
the
invocation
this
evening
with
a
moment
of
silence.
D
And
thank
you
on
that
and
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
our
current
agenda
for
this
evening.
D
So
moved
that
motion
has
been
approved
and
properly
seconded
all
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
Nays.
All
right
and
tonight's
agenda
is
approved.
We
do
have
on
the
agenda
a
public
comment
period.
Are
there
any
folks
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
speak?
C
Hello,
my
name
is
Victoria
Ray
Boynton,
Moore
I
attended
the
meeting
last
month
and
so
I'm
here
again
to
continue
following
the
work
of
this
commission
I'm
a
born
and
raised
charlestonian
I
grew
up.
West
Ashley,
where
my
mom
still
lives
in
our
family,
home
I
have
a
daughter,
she's
three,
and
so
for
that
reason,
above
all
else,
I
have
a
deep
personal
interest
in
the
future
of
this
city.
So
thank
you
all
for
the
work
that
you're
here
committed
to
doing.
C
D
Thank
you
for
that.
I've
also
liked
a
motion
to
approve
minutes
from
the
7
21
22
meeting
on
can
I
get
a
second.
D
That
motion
was
seconded
all
in
favor.
Please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
D
Oh,
that
motion
passes
for
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
721-22
meeting
we're
moving
quickly
this
evening.
I
do
want
to
give
Adrian
Swinton
some
time
to
just
kind
of
share
an
update,
co-chair
Paris
and
I
met
with
Adrian
earlier
in
the
week
and
I
believe.
A
few
of
you
have
already
had
that
meeting.
I
would
strongly
encourage
you
to
set
up
a
one-on-one
meeting
with
Adrian
introduce
yourself,
and
she
will
certainly
share
her
thoughts
on
on
the
position
and
kind
of
the
work
ahead.
So
Adrian
with
that.
C
Thank
you
Jason,
so
good
evening,
everyone
I
onboarded
on
last
Monday,
August,
8th
and
after
onboarding.
Up
until
this
point,
I
had
a
series
of
meetings
with
internal
and
external
stakeholders.
Some
prioritizing
items
that
I'm
looking
into
is
the
monthly
newsletter,
so
that
communication
can
be
disseminated
and
the
visibility
of
our
commission
and
the
office
that
I'm
holding
on
the
city's
website
just
to
make
us
visible
to
those
in
the
community
and
internally
on
the
internal
employees
and
Equity
workshops.
C
D
You
thank
you
Adrian.
We
did
have
on
the
agenda
previous
agenda
about
a
workshop
that
we
were
going
to
schedule.
I,
don't
see
it
on
tonight's
agenda,
but
I
do
want
to
have
that
discussion.
Real,
quick,
if
possible.
If
if
the
commission
would
would
allow
entertain
that
perfect,
we
did
talk
about
having
that
training
on
a
Saturday
I
just
want
to
get
a
sense
from
from
you
all.
D
That's
that's
something
that
there's
consensus
around
that
we
can
give
that
guidance
to
Ms
Swinton
and
we
can
work
with
the
mayor
and
others
to
to
get
that
scheduled
and
paid.
For
so
is
there
General
consensus
on
the
commission
that
a
Saturday
training
would
would
work.
I
got
a
thumbs
up
thumbs
up
all
right,
awesome
I!
Think
that's
perfect.
D
So
hopefully
that
gives
you
some
some
guidance
Adrian
in
terms
of
when
we
can
get
that
scheduled
and
the
goal
would
be
to
schedule
a
workshop
and
also
invite
our
fellow
council
members
to
that
Workshop
if
they're
so
inclined
to
show
up
on
a
Saturday.
So
thank
you
for
for
indulging
me
on
that
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
to
co-chair
Harris
on
the
rules
and
procedures.
D
Work
group
discussion,
Mr
Harris,
is
leading
that
we
really
want
to
try
to
get
that
finalized
as
we
come
back
next
month,
so
we
can
really
start
digging
in
it's
been.
This
is
the
third
meeting
I
believe
of
hark.
We
are
moving
methodically
forward,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
start
digging
into
the
work.
So
with
that
chairman
Harris.
A
Good
evening,
everyone,
the
task
force,
has
so
far
have
circulated
an
outline
to
Stephen
and
Bob.
Bob
has
responded
that
outline
we'll,
try
and
consolidate,
share
with
Adrian
and
have
it
a
draft
of
circulation.
Prior
to
your
to
our
next
meeting
Bob's
comments
and
Bob
I'll,
let
you
you
know
chime
in
as
you
you
see
fit.
A
He
outlined
what
he
thought
was
important
in
terms
of
kind
of
rules
of
behavior
for
amongst
ourselves,
what
I
emphasize
taking
from
the
city
council
ordinance
as
it
relates
to
meetings,
agendas,
special
meeting,
calling
special
meetings
filling
in
the
language
that
that
speaks
to
particularly
special
meetings.
The
formats
also
order
amongst
ourselves
in
terms
of
the
chairs,
acknowledging
people.
A
Speaking
on
things
that
we're
debating
for
votes,
making
certain
that
individuals
speak,
everybody
gets
an
opportunity
to
speak
before
anybody
gets
a
chance
to
speak
again,
those
sort
of
things
just
to
keep
us
kind
of
moving
in
order.
A
One
of
the
things
that
seems
interesting
to
me
and
when
you
get
the
draft,
do
you'll
see
this.
The
city
council
has
a
special,
a
rather
detailed
discussion
about
citizen
participation
when
folks
sign
up
how
long
they
can
speak.
How
to
address.
You
know
protocol
again
in
terms
of
being
respectful
in
terms
of
communicating
with
the
city.
The
members
of
the
Commission,
in
this
case
I,
think
that's
important
again,
so
that
we
can
project
and
understand
it.
A
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
also
interesting
and
we'll
be
discussing.
We
open
the
meeting
open
with
citizen
participation.
A
The
two-minute
rule
is
a
rule
that
kind
of
guides
what
the
city
council
does
they
allow
allocate
in
their
agenda.
30
30
minutes
for
public
comment,
whether
we
want
to
have
a
specific
you
know
we
meet
we're
proposing
meeting
for
an
hour
and
a
half.
That's
our
current
schedule.
A
Do
we
want
to
allocate
15
minutes
a
minimum,
15
minutes
or
half
an
hour
for
citizen
participation
and
whether
or
not
we
would
relax
those
rules
say,
for
example,
if
we
decide
to
have
special
meetings
around
particular
topics,
those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
I
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
move
forward
with
and
adopt.
A
And,
of
course,
these
will
be
gut
rules
and
guidelines
that
will
probably
have
to
pass
Buster
with
the
city,
Corporation
councilman
clerk
to
make
sure
we're
not
violating
any
of
the
procedural
rules
that
Council
or
laws
have
that
are
in
place,
but
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
circulate
something
working
with
Adrian
at
least
two
weeks
prior
to
our
next
meeting
and
we'll
ask
you
for
homework,
give
us
feedback
and
comment
for.
A
D
Thank
you,
co-chairman,
Harris,
so
is
the
goal
come
back
next
meeting
with
something
for
us
to
react
to
and
and
adopt
yes.
D
A
This
time,
but
just
ask
either
councilman
Bowden
or
Bob,
who
were
members
of
the
task
force,
also
to
comment
if
they'd
like
to.
B
Yeah,
yes,
ma'am
I'm,
just
going
to
say
that
there's
a
lot
of
I
mean
Jerome's.
Knowledge
of
existing
documentation
is
a
huge
help
because
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
basically,
we
can
just
borrow
from
existing
procedures.
That
I
think
is
going
to
make
a
lot
of
this
very
familiar
to
folks
and
should
be
pretty
straightforward.
I
agree.
Thank
you
on
your
question.
A
C
A
We,
what
we're
going
we
can,
it
will
add
you
to
the
documents
that
have
been
circulated
already
we're
going
to
forward
those
all
our
comments
to
Adrian
and
ask
her
to
create
a
document
that
will
be
circulated
to
the
entire
commission.
A
E
E
E
E
E
E
A
rabbi
I
asked
him
if
non-denominational
prayers
are
truly
inclusive
of
Jewish
people,
he
said
often
they're
not
they're,
particularly
churchy,
even
if
they
don't
mention
Jesus,
if
you're
steeped
in
Christianity
as
most
of
the
Christian
pastors,
who
give
invocations
do
or
in
Christian
culture
as
Christian
lay
people
are,
it
would
be
really
hard
to
give
a
truly
non-denominational
invocation.
E
Do
our
non-denominational
prayers
ever
call
the
name
of
God
Allah
an
invocation
asks
a
higher
power
for
assistance.
There
are
no
prayers
inclusive
of
our
fellow
citizens,
who
are
non-religious
or
secular
humanists,
so
I'd
like
you
to
consider
that
we
don't
have
to
start
our
meetings
with
an
invocation.
Thank
you
for
listening
intently.
Thank
you.
Buddy.
D
I
think
that's
worthy
of
a
discussion.
I'm
not
sure.
If
now
is
the
time,
but
I
mean
rules
co-chair
on
the
rules,
that
could
be
something
that's
discussed
and
maybe
vetted
out.
I've
always
viewed
just
my
opinion.
Bonnie.
The
invocation
is,
is
a
Act
of
neutrality,
whether
it
might
be
a
moment
of
silence.
We've
had
many
invocations
that
city
council
from
our
Jewish
Brethren
councilman
Appel,
but
to
your
point
I,
do
understand
that
when
you
say
the
word
God
that
denotes
a
certain
certain
religion,
I
get
that.
D
Do
you
all
want
to
have
a
discussion,
because
I
think
this
is
actually
part
of
our
work.
Why
we're
here
any
thoughts.
F
I
view
it,
as
you
know,
we
all
have
gods,
it's
just
a
matter
of
which
God
we
serve
and
to
me
an
opening
invocation
is
simply
the
ability
for
anyone
to
do
what
they
would
like.
Not
pay.
It
pay,
not
not
pay
attention,
listen,
not
listen
whatever
and
I
do
not
agree
that
it's
something
that
is
not
not
taking
care
of
diversity
right.
D
Thank
you,
Carol
councilman
seekings.
You
had.
D
G
Although
the
the
only
ad
I
would
make,
is
that
what
is
going
to
allow
us
to
succeed
is
respect
on
all
levels
with
equality.
There's
to
me,
a
moment
of
silence
is
a
moment
of
respect
and
inflection
and
I.
Think
that's.
What
we're
going
to
be
doing
deeply
here
is
to
reflect
think
in
word
think
outward
and
to
me,
having
that
moment
of
respect
for
all
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish-
and
it's
not
talking
to
someone
higher
because
we're
all
Talking
to
Ourselves
I'm,
also
a
Christian.
G
But
to
me
that's
not
what
that
part's
about
it
is
about
human
respect
and
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
which
is
difficult,
and
it's
very
difficult,
and
it's
tough
to
to
not
alienate
anyone.
G
That's
just
a
very,
very
complicated
task,
but
if
we
enter
into
it
with
a
loved
your
moment
of
silence
that
allows
us
to
take
a
deep
breath.
Think
about
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
and
show
respect
for
all
those
that
we're
trying
to
show
deep
respect
for
and
make
some
very
significant
changes.
That
would
be.
Thank
you
all
right.
B
H
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
on
the
basis
of
everything
you
just
said,
Sharon,
and
certainly
the
feel
that
you
put
in
front
of
us
Bonnie
I
I
I
mean
when
I
moved
here
it
was
for
me
it
was
just
getting
used
to
a
southern
way
of
another
tradition
that
you
know:
I
didn't
grow
up
with,
but
I
think
what
you're
suggesting
really
does
I
take,
take
away
any
of
the
exclusion
out
of
it
and
brings
us
to
a
place
where
we
all
do
need
to
have
that.
D
I
think
I
think
this
chairman,
yeah
I,
don't
think
we've
listed
out
the
rules,
essentially
this,
which
is
part
of
what
the
working
on
so
I,
think
Joe
you're.
Taking
note
of
this
I
think
it's.
A
Worth
it
absolutely
and
commission,
the
commissioner
should
know
that
Bonnie
and
I
had
a
conversation.
Previously
she
expressed
her
concern
and
I.
D
A
The
way
in
which
we've
proceeded
to
open
this
meeting
is
reflective
of
our
desire
to
be
respectful
and
and
inclusive
of
everyone
in
building
a
sense
of
culture
of
collaboration.
So
we
certainly
will
be
reflected
in
the
draft
coming
forward
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
very
thoughtful
conversation.
D
Thank
you,
co-chair
Harris
or
should
I
say
Jerry.
So
one
of
the
rules,
one
of.
A
D
Yeah
one
of
the
one
of
the
rules
that
we
discussed
in
early
on
was
just
calling
us
by
our
first
names
so
and
I
keep
forgetting
because
I
was
in
Community
Development
or
we
don't
do
that.
So
just
wanted
to
mention
that.
D
Thank
you
Bonnie
for
that.
Thanks
for
the
comments
from
everybody
next
on
our
agendas,
yes,
yeah.
F
Place
for
this
or
not,
but
based
on
the
minutes,
which
I
just
reread
and
and
Robert's
comments
last
time
about,
you
know
being
a
couple
of
us
being
behind
the
eight
ball,
because
we
haven't
been
at
this
for
a
year
or
more,
like
many
of
you,
I
would
like
to
request
that
we
as
a
committee,
develop
a
clear
list
of
deliverables
with
a
timeline
so
that
we
can
understand.
Okay.
What
is
it
we're
actually
trying
to
accomplish
by
when
I
did
a
lot
of
this
work?
F
In
my
as
an
as
an
employee
of
a
major
corporation
in
process
development-
and
you
know
for
me
it
would
be
something
that
would
help
guide
us
in
terms
of
what
is
it
that
we're
seeking
to
deliver
by
when
and
so
I've.
For
me,
that
would
be
really
helpful
and
I
think
it
would
be
for
the
entire
group
and
so
I'd
like
to
I.
D
Thank
you,
Karen
I
mean
I
think
we
should
discuss
this
because
I.
What
I'd
like
to
say
is
what
I
could
be
heard
last
meeting
was
we
were
moving
too
fast
on
the
amount
of
resources,
so
we
tabled
that
whole
idea
of
creating
a
schedule
that
was
based
on
Mr
Burrell,
who
I
do
on
a
Saint.
D
Paul
transparency
has
resigned
from
the
commission,
based
based
on
the
fact
that
this
was
going
to
be
some
work
and
it
is
going
to
be
some
work,
so
we
did
disseminate
a
bunch
of
reading
materials
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
y'all
had
a
chance
to
dive
into
that,
but
we
based
on
last
month's
conversation.
It
was
to
your
point.
Carol.
We've
got
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we
haven't
been
privy
to.
We
want
to
play
catch-up
I'm
all
for
creating
a
schedule.
D
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
all
comfortable
on
the
the
documents
that
were
shared
and
you
are
you
comfortable
with
the
sense
of
what's
been
accomplished.
If
you
got
up
to
speed
on
everything-
and
you
feel
good
about
that-
then
heck
yeah,
let's
let's
move
forward
and
create
that
schedule.
B
I
mean
I
agree
with
Carol
completely
that
this
is
going
to
be
crucial
to
Our
Success,
but
it's
the
thing
that
worries
me
is
trying
to
come
up
with
the
schedule,
with
limited
understanding
of
everything,
I
I'd
kind
of
like
to
see
the
first
thing
that
happened
via
the
workshop,
because
I
think
that's
going
to
get
a
lot
of
us
where
we
can
actually
be
productive.
B
D
And
I
think
the
baby
steps
could
be
Carol
you're,
an
enchantment
feel
free,
I,
think
there's
a
middle
ground
here.
So
before
we
get
to
the
workshop,
I
mean
I'm.
Looking
at
the
the
special
commission
report
right
here,
we
can
take
next
month
and
delve
into
that
special
commission
report
recommendation
by
recommendation
or
section
by
section
I
think
that's
going
to
help
us
catch
up
to
speed
because
to
Carol's
point
I,
don't
want
to
wait
till
the
workshop,
because
that
could
be
two
months
from
now.
H
Mean
that
is
essentially
what
I
was
going
to
say:
I,
don't
until
we
have
done
our
first
assignment,
which
is
to
analyze
the
recommendations
and
be
prepared
to
come
to
the
council
and
I.
H
D
F
Exactly
and
I'm
you
know,
I
understand
and
maybe
I
you
know.
I
didn't
mean
that
okay,
we
can
maybe
the
way
to
think
about.
It
is
all
right.
What's
the
first
thing,
we
need
to
do
and
forget
how
long
it's
going
to
take
it
might
take
three
years,
but
is
number
one
to
take
the
report,
the
commission
report
and
go
through
it.
You
know
100
100,
plus
recommendations.
F
Etc,
you
know,
is
there
a
priority
to
how
we
want
to
look
at
those?
That
is
what
I
was
doing.
You
know,
thinking
about
and
I
understand.
You
know
in
terms
of
yes,
you
can't
put
a
date
on
it,
but
let's
talk
about
what's
number
one
number
one
step
we
want
to
do
and
the
sub
steps
underneath
that
and
then
second
and
third,
so
that
we
have
a
a
better
idea
of
where
to
put
our
efforts
as
we
move
forward,
makes.
B
B
E
I
know
that's
so
much
work
have
has
gone
into
these
foundational
documents
and
I'm
guessing
there
are
a
few
people
who
understand
it
comprehensively
who
might
be
able
to
come
and
speak
to
us
and
help
us
sort
of
live
the
document
and
understand
it
more
than
you
know
just
reading
the
words
on
a
page
and
so
I
don't
know
who
those
people
might
be
but
I'm
guessing.
Some
of
you
do.
D
You're,
probably
looking
at
myself
and
Carol
and
Jerry
were
intimately
involved
in
that
process,
but
I
think
that
leads
to
my
my
point
is
I'm
happy
to
spend
and
have
a
discussion
focused
solely
on
for
next,
for
example.
Next
next
month,
economic
empowerment,
recommendations,
what
those
meant
I
think
that's
going
to
be
tremendously
helpful
to
see
where,
where
the
commission
is
coming
from,
if
we
have
time
tonight-
and
you
all
will
entertain
I'm
happy
to
even
talk
about
a
few
of
these
you'll
see.
D
Most
of
these
are
really
practical,
sound
recommendations,
particularly
in
economic
empowerment,
but
I,
hear
I,
hear
your
concerns
and
Carol
a
lot
of
them
clear
I
think
we
can
get
that
done,
we're
off
to
a
slow
start,
we're
making
some
progress,
but
I
think
what
I
mentioned.
The
very
initial
meeting
our
inaugural
meeting
was
looking
back
at
the
special
commission
and
looking
at
some
of
the
missteps
I'm
not
going
to
go
down
that
path,
but
Bonnie
I'm,
not
sure.
D
If
you're
listening
in
or
heard
I
think
we
we
tried
to
do
too
much
too
fast,
because
we
had
the
political
pressure.
It
was
telling
us
that
we
needed
to
do
it
this
way
and
what
I
said
is:
let's
put
our
blinders
on.
Let's
focus
on
this
group
and
let's
put
a
put
a
product
together
that
we're
all
going
to
be
proud
of
and
and
keep
the
noise
out
and
I
think
we
can
do
that.
D
Any
other
concerns
regarding
the
rules
and
procedures
where
we
kind
of
move
down
to
the
resources
materials
discussion.
Thank
you
for
the
segue
Carol
on
that
we
all.
D
A
I
might
the
Rick
made
Richter,
who
made
an
important
comment
last
week
or
at
our
last
meeting
the
context
of
looking
at
the
special
commission
report
and
how
it
interfaces
or
works
with
the
city
master
plan
and
if.
D
A
Example,
we're
talking
about
Economic,
Development,
they're
components
of
the
master
plan
to
speak
to
that
our
charge
is
to
use
the
term
harmonize
if
you
will
and
recommend
to
counsel
things
that
we
think
should
move
forward
based
on
what's
in
the
master
plan
and
in
the
special
commission
report,
things
that
are
actionable
and
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
so
in
terms
of
doing
my
homework.
Looking
at
the
sections
of
the
master
plan,
I
think
the
there
is
a
section
on
Equity
I
think
Jennifer
may
have
circulated.
A
Clerk
might
have
circulated
portions
that
speak
to
questions
of
equity
and
resilience.
Thank
you,
Carol
Jackson,
for
putting
together
the
resource
list,
so
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
in
terms
of
our
homework
as
we're
moving
toward
coming
up
with
that
kind
of
task
schedule.
D
Thank
you,
Jerry,
just
to
remind
Mike,
not
being
here
one
of
the
things
early
on
WE
recommended
was.
It
was
a
we
called
it.
A
work
group
I
can't
remember
it
was
a
committee
or
work
group
on
the
rules
and
procedures
and
then
a
work
group
that
was
specifically
focused
on
looking
at
those
recommendations.
But
we
pulled
back
on
that
because
folks
articulated
that
they
wanted
more
information.
So
once
I
think
we
get
that
work
group
up
and
running
that's
going
to
be
focused
on
the
recommendations.
D
I
could
see
them
presenting
at
these
meetings,
basically
giving
recommendations
on
how
what
recommendations
to
move
forward
to
our
standing
committees,
but
that
will
be
resurrected.
I
think
that's.
That
was
the
goal:
we're
going
to
take
a
step
back
to
get
that
at
all
the
the
data
information
it
was
all
shared
with
you
all
I'm
not
going
to
ask
if
you
all
read
it
all,
but
if
you
haven't
I
would
particularly
dive
into
the
Avery
report
and
and
the
special
commission
report.
D
D
Is
there
any
comments
open
discussion
that
you
want
to
bring
to
the
next
meeting
next
agenda
just
want
to
make
sure
we've
got
our
takeaways
for
for
this
evening,
could
potentially
be
a
quick
meeting,
but
I'm
I
am
going
to.
If
you
indulge
me
I'm
going
to
just
go
down
the
economic
empowerment
strategy,
so
you
won't
you,
you
hear
them
Jerry,
Stephen.
Anything
on
your
end.
D
I
asked
him
basically
said:
if
you
know
somebody,
please
let
us
know,
and
if
you
don't,
we
can
certainly
reach
our
reach
our
through
our
Network
out
in
West
Ashley,
and
ask
and
is
not
responded.
So
he
said
he
would
work
on
it,
but
I'm,
not
that's
all
I
know.
So
we
are
missing
one
commission,
member.
H
D
Right
and
councilman
Parker
has
an
appointed,
but
I
can
follow
up
with
her
on
that.
Yes,
so
we
have
on
our
work.
I
don't
have
the
list
and
Foundry
on
our
work
group
for
the
basically
evaluating
and
looking
at
all
the
special
recommendations.
It's
Carol,
if
you
could
right
and
just
just
again
like
I
mentioned
before
a
full
transparency
Alvin's
out
of
town
just
want
to.
Let
you
all
know
where
he
is
Alvin
myself
and
Carol,
but
anyone
like
else
to
be
part
of
that
group.
Yes,
all
right
awesome!
D
You
don't
have
to
volunteer
for
any.
We
got
two
right
now.
We
both
will
have
additional
subgroups
to
to
work
on.
So
if
you
can't
do
it
right
now,
that's
that's
perfectly
fine.
A
Jason,
yes,
at
our
last
meeting,
we
did
suggests
that
the
relaxation
of
the
five
months
on
timetable
for
delivering
a
a
set
of
recommendations
on
moving
forward
with
the
recommendations
from
the
special
Commission
report.
Yes
I
understand
there
is
a
potential,
an
ordinance
to
amend
the
existing
ordinance,
the
current
ordinance
to
remove
that
five
month
to
change
the
language
slightly.
Can
you
tell
us
what
the
status
of
that
is?
Yeah.
D
That
that
amendment
was
shared
with
me
by
our
legal
counsel-
my
guess
is
I
will
follow
up
with
them,
but
it
should
come
back
to
our
next
council
meeting,
which
is
yeah
so
we'll
make
sure
it
gets
on
the
agenda.
Then
13th
of
September
but
I'll
follow
up
with
them,
but
they
did
share
the
language.
Did
I
not
share
that
with
you
Jerry
you.
D
We
should
share
that
language
with
our
commission
so
that
that's
a
good
point
before
we
before
we
disperse
so
since
Miss
Miss
Johnson
left
in
the
former
Swinton
got
here.
Jerry
myself,
Carol
Alvin
were
really
doing
a
lot
of
the
logistical
operational
coordinating
work,
I'm
happy
that
Miss
swinton's
on
board.
A
lot
of
this
is
really
going
to
get
put
on
to
your
lab
in
terms
of
coordinating
some
of
these
efforts.
D
I
would
highly
encourage
you
know
for
sending
emails
and
Communications
at
Miss,
swins
and
Adrian's
included
in
those
and
copied
on
those
but
you're
going
to
essentially
be
the
tip
of
the
spear
here
and
I
know:
I've
got
full
faith
and
your
abilities
to
do
it
so
Jerry,
you
and
I
are
gonna.
Now
take
a
step
back,
but
we're
we
aren't.
We
aren't
going
to
be
the
the
coordinating
body
here
so
Adrian.
Thank
you
for
that.
D
One
of
the
things
I
did
share
with
with
Adrian
and
she's
already
on.
It
is
just
the
communication,
I
think
we're
going
to
see
an
improvement
on
the
communication
piece.
You
know
if
we're
not
up
to
speed
and
informed
on
what's
Happening,
and
certainly
the
community
is
not
going
to
be
up
informed,
so
Adrian,
it's
a
big
task,
but
I
know
that's
going
to
get
done.
I
feel
very,
very
good
about
that
anything
else
for
open
discussion
this
evening,
Carol
and
then
Bob.
F
Yes,
I
I
I
want
to
bring
a
subject
up
and
I
know
that
this
might
be
controversial,
but
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
the
Youtube
video
for
the
commission.
Last
commission
meeting
before
it
was
presented
to
the
council-
and
you
know
I
had
some
questions
about
you
know.
F
Well,
how
did
this
happen
and
it
get
to
the
Commission
in
Council,
and
then
there
was
a
concerns
about
some
of
the
things
that
were
there
and
right
with
the
words
and
so
I
believe
that
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
fact
that
there
was
this
issue,
and
certainly
it
was
because
there
were
people
who
were
concerned
about
what
was
there
I
think
we
need
to
talk
about
that
at
the
beginning
of
this
process,
rather
than
at
the
end
of
this
process.
So.
D
Are
you
recommending
we
add
that
to
the
agenda?
Yes,
okay,
can
you
just
get
with
me
and
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
me:
can
you
get
with
Adrian,
Jerry
and
myself
on
language
for
that
agenda
item
and
we're
happy
to
answer
the
agenda?
Yes,.
F
Thank
you,
Carol
yeah,
because
I
just
believe
that
you
know
I,
it's
better
for
us
to.
You
know,
talk
about
that
and
do
it
up
front
and
not
let
something
linger
until
the
end
and
say
well,
wait
a
minute.
You
know
I
didn't
realize
that
was
going
to
be
an
issue:
okay,
yeah
it
for
me.
You
know
and
I
you
know,
I
had
had
not
been
paying
attention
at
all.
F
You
know
and
then
my
only
inter
interaction
with
the
council
had
been
on
the
possibility
of
taxes
being
raped,
property
taxes
being
raised
during
covet
and
but
you
know,
covet
changed
a
lot
of
things,
and
so
you
know,
but
I
do
believe
you
know
it's.
It's
it'll
be
to
our
benefit.
F
I
believe
that
we
all
want
to
move
forward,
there's
a
lot
of
great
work
that
was
done
there
and
we
want
to
have
a
unified
approach
and
moving
forward
and
and
and
be
prepared.
You
know,
for
whatever
will
come
down
the
road,
so
yeah
I
think
I.
Think
that
would
be
good
thing
for
us
to
deal
with
early
agreed.
E
H
Declare
opposition
that
that
Council
experienced
during
the
time
that
the
report
was
delivered
not
accepted
not
received
whatever
the
action
was
supposed
to
have
been
at
the
end
of
last
summer.
All
the
way
through
we
redrafting
an
ordinance
to
establish
this
permanent
commission
that
we're
part
of
now
so
we
had.
H
We
had
Council
meetings
where
the
public
turned
out
in
in
great
number,
and
you
know
sort
of
kept
that
set
of
arguments
or
discussion
points
going
so
I
I
do
think
that
we
should
be
ready
to
understand
the
of
the
emotional
pull
that
there
is
on
parts
of
this
community.
H
Bringing
these
topics
into
the
public
realm
again
so
I
salute
you
I
think.
That's
a
good
idea.
D
B
B
Tags
and
a
binder
yeah,
certainly.
D
D
I
do
want
to
just
quickly
acknowledge
before
I
do
read
some
of
these
economic
empowerment
recommendations
or
strategies.
You
know
Carol.
Thank
you
for
your
comments
tonight,
we're
all
coming
from
a
different
place:
different
work,
workplace,
different
life
experience,
but
I
do
appreciate
folks
walking
into
this
room
and
opening
this
door
with
an
open
heart
and
open
mind.
We're.
D
On
everything,
let's
be
clear.
B
D
That
and
we're
not
going
to
agree
on
everything,
but
it's
helpful
for
us
to
acknowledge
to
Carol's
point.
There
are
some
elephants
in
the
room
right,
there's
things
in
the
room
that
we
need
to
address
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
meet
them
head
on
and
I
think
we
have
a
task
at
hand
and
I
think
the
folks
around
the
room
are
serious
enough
and
we
will
get
it
done
so,
just
wanna.
D
If
you
could
indulge
me,
the
economic
empowerment
strategies
and
recommendations
just
want
to
share
with
you
just
some
of
the
language
that
was
was
used
and
a
little
bit
about
the
strategies.
This
was
number
one
long-term
goal:
improve
access
to
capital
for
black
owned
businesses
in
Charleston.
The
objective
would
be
provide
funding
to
300
new
black
owned
businesses
to
become
sustainable,
viable
over
a
five-year
period,
as
well
as
existing
black
owned
businesses.
D
D
Long-Term
goal
number
four
create
a
system
by
which
the
city
will
be
held
accountable
to
ensure
it
continues
to
move
Equity
inclusion
and
racial
conciliation
forward.
That
seems
like
a
broad
long-term
goal,
but
let's
pay
attention
to
those
first,
three
I
just
want
to
mention
those.
You
know
the
city's
already
started
on
on
the
path
of
opening
a
small
business.
D
Black
small
business
incubator
specifically
focused
on
black
owned
businesses.
So
the
point
is
that
I'm
making
is
some
of
this
work
is
already
in
the
pipeline
and
the
recommendations,
although
they're
here
have
already
gone
from
paper
to
action,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
folks
that
are
listening
are
aware
that
the
recommendations
haven't
been
sitting
on
a
Shelf.
D
We
have
anecdotally
and
formally
moved
some
of
these
to
committee,
for
you
all
got
in
here
tonight.
We
were
talking
about
bar
regulations,
North
of
line
Street.
D
If
that
didn't
bore
it
to
death,
but
they're,
important
and
I
want
to
mention
those
the
reason
we're
having
that
discussion,
and
it
speaks
directly
to
this
is
because
for
many
years
it's
adopted
in
2017,
Bar's
purview,
north
of
line
Street
really
has
has,
has
created
a
situation
where
and
it's
not
just
a
racial
issue,
we'll
call
it
middle
income,
folks
that
live
on
the
peninsula
that
perhaps
lived
in
their
home
for
20
30
years
and
want
to
make
a
repair
on
their
roof
or
change.
D
D
You
brother,
bir,
has
has
purview
North
the
line,
but
bir
is
also
in
our
city,
has
really
been
a
wonderful
thing
for
us
as
well.
We
were
in
historic,
City.
Preservation
is
an
important
piece.
My
point
is
that
in
north
of
line,
Street
I
feel
like
it
has
extended
itself
in
in
the
the
balance,
has
gone
a
little
bit
too
far
over
the
point.
I'm.
D
Making,
though,
is
if
you're
a
homeowner,
that's
on
fixed
income
and
needs
to
repair
a
roof
or
needs
to
replace
the
window,
and
that
roof
is
being
requested
or
required
to
be
a
metal
roof.
D
That's
three
times
the
cost
of
an
asphalt
route
or,
if
you
have
to
repair
the
windows
and
the
window
repair
particularly
during
covet,
is
as
a
year
out
for
the
repair
and
two
times
the
cost
of
of
a
replacement
window
which
doesn't
have
to
be
a
vinyl
window
for
all
those
that
are
listening
on
the
preservation
side,
it
could
be
a
wood
window.
The
thoughts
and
concerns
that
we
are
sharing
with
our
planning
department,
the
preservation
Community,
is,
we
just
need
a
more
practical
and
remember
that
people
are
actually
living
in
those
homes.
D
I
think
that
issue
strikes
resonates
with
with
all
of
us,
but
but
is
disproportionately
affected
the
African-Americans
on
the
peninsula
and
has
exacerbated
gentrification.
It's
not
the
only
reason,
but
it
is
definitely
exacerbated.
I've
got
four
constituents
that
owned
homes
and
basically
gave
up
for
the
process
and
moved
two
of
them
are
African-American.
Two
of
them
are
Caucasian,
but
the
point
is
I
see
that
issue
embedded
in
the
work
of
the
special
commission
and
I
think
we
all
can
rally
around
those
things
and
I.
D
Of
course,
there's
going
to
be
to
Carol's
Point
there's
going
to
be
some
that
we're
going
to
disagree
on,
and
that's
fine,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
point
tonight
and
resonate
and
the
relevancy
of
the
conversation
you
walked
into
today.
So,
thank
you
all
for
indulging
me.
Carol.
H
Yeah
I
I
want
to
affirm
that's
a
great
example
and
I
I
did
listen
to
The
Community
Development
meeting
on
my
way
here
and
what
I
was
I
mean
I'm
thrilled
that
that
topic
is,
you
know,
moving
its
way
through
to
be
amended,
with
the
way
that
the
board
of
Architectural
Review
does
their
job.
But
what
what
I
really
resonated
with?
H
That
was
the
way
that
our
planning
director,
Robert
Summerfield
was
was
so
I
mean
it
was
clear
that
he,
he
and
his
staff
have
given
this
a
lot
of
thought
and,
and
he
was
making
it
very,
very
clear
to
the
council
members
who
were
deliberating
about
this-
that
for
the
first
time
we're
not
looking
at
properties
as
that
objectively,
as
the
pure,
you
know,
historic
residences,
that
Charleston
has
long
been
been
careful
and
jealous
to
protect
that
it
was
a
lot
more
than
just
the
wood
structures
themselves.
H
D
H
D
For
those
that
are
listening
that
are
in
the
preservation,
Community,
which
maybe
they're
not
I,
just
want
to
be
clear
and
preface
I'm
not
suggesting
that
bar
has
no
presence
north
of
line.
The
BR
has
no
presence
in
our
city.
D
In
fact,
you
know
the
tourists
and
in
the
world
renowned
come
here
for
for
our
architectural
Beauty.
So
it's
not
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
all
I'm
saying
is.
The
policy
is
a
bit
weighted
impractical
in
that
part
of
of
town.
So
that's
just
one
example
of
a
structural
thing
that
we've
got
in
place,
that's
on
the
books
and
that
no
one
asks
questions
a
lot
of
folks
just
either
give
up
and,
however
they
move.
So
any
other
discussion
on
on
that
or
anything
else
for
this
evening.
D
A
lot
well
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
Mike
for
for
joining
us
tonight.
Bonnie.
Thank
you,
I'm,
trying
to
get
into
my
new.
Thank
you
Victoria
thank
you
for
coming
tonight.