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City of Charleston Commission on Equity, Inclusion, and Racial Conciliation 12/8/20
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A
We
did
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
our
recommendations
would
look
like,
and
I
shared
with
my
subcommittee
what
was
shared
with
me
by
councilmember
gregory,
that
we
wanted
a
blueprint
and
all
the
steps
to
make
sure
that
they
could
actually
be
implemented
and
what
would
be
needed-
and
we
discussed
that
and
we
were
looking
at
those
potentially
being
submitted
around
january
15th.
But
I
know
that
will
be
subject
to
change.
Based
on
what
the
commission
decides.
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We
had
an
update
from
abraham
champagne
and
najima
washington
on
the
low
line
and
transportation,
and
they
are
I'm
going
to
be
getting
in
touch
with
bj
dennis
to
try
to
incorporate
some
of
his
ideas
into
the
low
line
getting
in
touch
with
dr
mcknight,
and
I
think
they
thought
dr
mcknight
was
going
to
be
on
the
meeting
at
the
meeting,
so
they
will
be
reaching
out
to
her.
Hopefully,
this
week
about
monuments
and
historic
markers
on
the
whole
line,
so
hopefully
hearing
from
them.
If
you
haven't
already.
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Okay,
but
they
they
thought
she
was
gonna,
be
there.
So
that's
why
they
hadn't
already
reached
out.
So
that
was
some
confusion
on
my
part
and
also
continuing
to
look
at
the
goals
of
the
city
for
mbe,
and
there
was
also
some
discussion
about
the
city's
fee
and
lou
and
how
many
developers
are
choosing
the
fee
in
lieu
instead
of
actually
creating
affordable
housing
units
and
maybe
how
that
fee
in
lieu
could
be
adjusted
to
try
to
create
more
affordable
housing
units.
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A
We
also
talked
about
the
bar,
and
you
know
we
had
toured
the
west
side.
I
believe
I
talked
about
that
last
time
in
this
commission
and
looked
at
some
actual
houses
and
met
with
some
actual
residents,
I'm
setting
up
a
meeting
with
the
historic
charleston
foundation
and
with
the
preservation
society
to
talk
to
them
about
some
options
and
we're
also
looking
at
funding
sources
that
could
help
families
with
legal
fees
that
cannot
afford
to
deal
with
their
heirs
properties
and
also
with
funding
sources
for
renovations.
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I
think
that
that
the
concern
was
if
every
developer
is
choosing
the
via
the
fee
rather
than
creating
affordable
housing
in
their
developments,
that
maybe
there
could
be
some
adjustments.
Maybe
the
fee
in
lieu
is
too
low.
You
know
maybe
there's
some
things
that
could
be
looked
at.
That
would
encourage
them
to
create
some
of
the
affordable
housing,
because
there
was
a
chart
that
was
shared
with
us.
I
believe
matajala
that
that
showed
how
many
units
are
created
based
on
the
fee
in
lieu
versus
units
that
would
go
into
the
new
housing.
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H
Act
well,
let
me
say
this
councilman,
you
may
remember
when
we
did
do
the
fee
in
lieu.
Actually
the
male
wanted
it
to
be
higher
and
we
made
a
compromise
to
the
fee
that
it
is
today.
This
feedback
right
here
is
pretty
important.
Maybe
we
ought
to
revisit
those
fees
from.
I
don't
know
a
couple
of
years
ago,
two
three
years
ago,
whenever
we
settled
on
those
fees,
I'm
talking
council,
I
need
to
revisit
through
community
development
and
then
up
to
council,
of
course,
increasing
those
fees.
So
that's
important
feedback.
Thank
you.
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I
think
one
of
the
major
issues
we
had
was
at
least
the
fee
in
lua
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
create
permanent
housing
as
opposed
to
not
taking
the
fee
in
lieu
of
and
those
properties
come
off
within
20
or
30
years,
and
we're
right
back
where
we
started.
So
that
was
when,
when
you
guys
discuss
it,
a
little
further
just
put
that
the
mix.
If
you
haven't
already.
I
So
yeah,
I
think,
everybody's
been
paying
and
we
we
do
well
utilize
the
money
that
comes
into
us
for
feet
from
the
fee
in
lieu,
but
maybe
there's
a
hybrid
of
you
know
having
a
sliding
scale
to
where.
If
you
take
every
unit
out,
the
fee
is
really
going
to
be
pretty
pretty
stiff,
you
know
but
say
if
you
kept
half
the
units
and
wanted
to
pay
half
of
of
it
in
the
fee
and
lieu
the
the
rate
would
be
kind
of
like
it
is
now
on
a
on
a
per
unit
basis.
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C
We
will
make
revisions
to
those
to
that
draft
at
our
next
meeting,
which
is
actually
going
to
be
this
upcoming
thursday
december
2
december
10th,
and
we're
really
looking
forward
to
moving
forward
with
this,
to
provide
some
clear,
substantive
recommendations,
particularly
concerning
the
public
art
monuments
and
memorials.
We
know
that
we've
been
tasked
with
other
items
and
some
of
the
recommendations
will
include
the
other
things
that
we
have
been
tasked
with,
for
example,
finding
ways
to
increase
the
city's
digital
footprint
in
terms
of
presenting
information
regarding
history
and
culture.
C
There's
actually
a
recommendation
regarding
that
already
in
draft
form
and
the
issues
about
the
narrative
regarding
how
the
city
itself,
and
perhaps
even
tour
guides,
present
the
narrative
of
charleston.
We
understand
that
there's
some
a
litigation
going
on
concerning
the
you
know
how
how
much
input
the
city
can
have
on
what
tour
guides
say.
However,
we
hope
to
include
some
basic
recommendations
to
that
end
in
this
in
this
list
as
well.
Let
me
see
what
else.
C
I
think
the
the
thing
that
I
know
I
would
like
to
know
from
councilman,
gregory
and
councilman
saccharin.
I
don't
think
he's
here
this
evening-
is
just
the
format
that
you
would
like
these
recommendations
presented
in.
Do
they
need
to
be
in
the
form
of
a
resolution,
and
also
is
the
entire
commission
expected
to
draft
a
set
of
rec
well
to
kind
of
put
together
a
composite
document
that
features
the
recommendations
of
each
subcommittee
or
will
each
subcommittee
be
presenting
recommendations
separately
to
the
mayor
at
the
end
of
our
90
days?.
C
Okay
and
what
is
the
timeline
for
this
because
we're
coming
close
to
the
90
days,
I
think
it's
early
january,
and
so
I
want
to
know
when
my
you
know
when
I'm
sure
other
subcommittees
want
to
know
it
too.
When
do
our
final
reports
from
each
subcommittee
need
to
be
in
so
then
the
commission
chairs
can
join
together
and
and
put
together
the
composite
report.
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A
Yes,
I
had
a
question
concerning
the
timing
because
I'm
seeing
now
that
we're
getting
into
the
holidays-
and
I
know
that
everybody-
I
know
personally-
you
know
our
non-profit-
I
have
my
annual
meeting
this
week.
We've
got,
you
know
lots
of
end
of
year
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
you
know
if
the
90
days
could
end
be
the
end
of
january.
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J
Please
everyone
good
day.
As
far
as
update
from
me,
I
will
be
actually
submitting
a
written
report
after
my
committee.
As
many
of
you
know,
I've
been
out
with
my
child
being
born
a
couple
weeks
ago,
so
I'm
catching
up
with
everyone.
I
want
to
commend
everybody
for
the
work
they've
been
doing
over
the
past
few
weeks
and
as
soon
as
I
get
a
full
report
from
every
one
of
them,
but
I'll
submit
a
written
report
to
council
as
well
as
to
this
committee.
B
Let's
not
forget
everybody.
We've
got
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
cross
pollinate
these
things
because
they
do
one
affects
the
other
in
many
ways,
especially
when
you
think
about
housing
and
empowerment
and,
let's
just
make
sure,
as
we
are
putting
things
together,
that
we
understand
the
cross-fertilization
of
these
subcommittees.
I
think
that's
important
for
us
to
to
keep
in
mind.
K
Yes,
another
good
evening
for
the
rest
of
commission
members,
primarily
we're
actually
going
to
be
drafting
our
final
proposal
as
well.
We
looked
into
three
areas
which
we'll
be
discussing.
Wendy
stivers
actually
finished
a
100-page
report
on
the
racial
bias
audit.
She
was
in
the
stages
of
finalizing
that
report
before
it
can
be
presented
to
the
subcommittee
for
us
to
actually
identify
what
we
want
to
include
into
that
proposal.
K
A
lot
of
this
was
in
my
summary
that
was
sent
in
to
amber,
let's
say
about
two
or
three
days
ago,
regards
to
like
prohibited
areas
of
solicitors
and
then
permits
for
transportation
surrounding
certain
city
ordinances.
To
ensure
that
we're
not,
I
guess,
walking
all
over
each
other.
We've
made
a
relationship
with
cpec.
I
personally
spoke
with
had
a
meeting
with
miss
felding,
who
is
the
chair
of
cpac
two
days
ago
surrounding
her
work,
which
entails
as
far
as
the
audit
itself
and
traffic
stops.
K
Now
that
I
do
have
a
good
communication,
a
good
working
relationship
with
miss
fielding.
We
can
then
proceed
with
chief
reynolds
meeting
between
the
three
of
us,
including
wendy
stiver,
and
our
vice
chairs,
so,
like
I
said
at
this
time
once
we
actually
get
the
final
report
from
wendy
stiver
we'll
be
then
consolidating
it
down
to
our
final
proposal
for
council.
B
K
We
have
yes,
we
have
actually,
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
that
is
actually
in
the
summary
that
I
presented.
I
like
that
consolidated
a
lot
of
it
because
actually
a
pretty
large,
a
pretty
large
summary
when
I
initially
submitted
it
to
my
vice
chair
to
have
him
review
it
as
well
before
we
send
it
to
amber.
I
didn't
want
to
go
into
too
much
detail
as
to
which
is
actually
going
to
be
in
our
proposal
going
forward.
Okay,.
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As
you
guys
know,
economic
empowerment
is
a
it's
a
broad
topic,
and
so,
where
we
have
landed
is
we
have?
We
we've
narrowed
the
scope
of
kind
of
where
we
want
to
take
our
recommendations,
and
the
bulk
of
that
will
be
around
a
focus
on
small,
small
and
minority,
particularly
african-american
businesses,
and
then
also
we
are
having
a
conversation
about.
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L
So
the
minority
business
small
business
will
certainly
be
the
largest
part
of
the
recommendation
and
the
work
that
we'll
be
doing,
but
there
there
is
a
need
for
us
to
partner
and
have
a
conversation
with
the
cvb,
the
charleston
business
visitors
bureau.
So
our
next
meeting
or
in
the
next
few
meetings,
we
are
meeting
with
them
to
kind
of
talk
through
some
of
the,
where
those
worlds
connect
and
and
perhaps
collide
in
some
instances,
but
we
really
want
to
focus
on
access
to
capital.
L
The
the
other
part
is
also
about
identity,
because
when
you,
when
you
look
at
economic
empowerment,
a
part
of
that
it
really,
it
is
about
building
wealth
and
the
empowering
the
community
to
chart
their
course
and
take
responsibility
for
building
wealth.
But
we
we
had
a
very
interesting
conversation
around
the
identity
of
our
city.
So
it's
one
thing
to
really
help.
Businesses
stand
up
a
place
to
conduct
business
in
the
city,
but
when
you
come
to
the
city
in
charleston,
do
you
really
see
our
presence?
Do
you
really?
L
Is
there
an
identity
of
who
we
are
as
an
african-american
community?
Outside
of?
I
think
it
was
mrs
knight
who
referenced
it
in
her
readout
other
than
you
know,
slavery
or,
and
what
we
know
is
that
we
are
talented
people
who
have
a
story
and
an
identity.
That's
important
so
that
that's
where
we
are,
I
know
we're
also
meeting
with
opus
banker.
We've
been
attempting
to
connect
with
opus
bank.
L
They
certainly
expressed
some
interest,
but
it's
been
difficult
to
lock
down
a
time
to
partner
with
opus
bank,
to
talk
about
partnering
and
how
do
we,
whether
it
set
up
a
trust
fund
or
get
some
lending
criteria,
privileges
for
african-american
businesses?
And
it's
probably
because
we
just
came
off
the
holiday
and
we're
in
the
middle
of
year
in,
but
we
still
plan
to
meet
with
opus
and
outside
of
that,
I
think
that's
pretty
much
the
the
gist
of
it
and
I
will
pause
for
questions.
H
H
H
H
Here,
yeah,
we
need
to
have
that
community
link,
so
I
maybe
we
need
to
even
put
that
person
I'll
ask
that
person.
Steve
saltzman
is
his
name
he's
the
exec,
the
ceo,
the
ldc.
Maybe
he
needs
to
be
part
of
this
process,
because
financing
is
going
to
be
a
well
always
the
important
ingredient
to
any
small
business.
L
Yeah
absolutely,
and
so
we
what
we
wanted
to
do,
because
that
conversation
has
come
up
several
times,
because
the
economic
empowerment
does
cross
over
into
some
of
the
other
subcommittees.
And
what
we
want
to
do
is
we
wanted
to
get
grounded
on
kind
of
our
focus
areas
and
then
partner
and
find
out
what
the
other
subcommittee's
information,
what
they
have
and
what
they
plan
to
do
and
to
help
us
expand
upon
our
recommendation
in
that
area.
But
you're,
absolutely
right.
L
B
B
B
L
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
on
to
councilmember
waring's
advice
about
making
sure
that
that
the
empowerment
group
has
been
fully
influenced
by
the
cdfi
ldc
and-
and
I
think
I
can
assure
him
that
that's
true,
mr
saltzman
is
the
as
the
ambassador
to
optus
bank
for
lamar
bonaparte
who's,
taking
on
the
role
of
of
investigating
lending
and
and
local
investment.
So
so
you
can.
D
Or
we'll
do
our
next
report
is
pretty
work
we
meet
in
until
tomorrow,
at
4,
30
and
at
that
time
we'll
be
able
to
provide
more
of
a
report
in
regards
to
where
we
are
within
our
subcommittee.
As
of
right
now,
for
our
last
meeting,
we've
already
gone
through
the
majority
of
the
components
of
the
logic
model,
for
the
focus
areas
that
we're
focused
on.
D
We
do
have
to
start
our
meeting
tomorrow
with
discussions
about
finish
out
our
conversation
about
family
and
community
engagement
and
anti-racism
and
equity
training,
and
also
culturally,
sustaining
curriculums.
So
that
meeting
will
take
place
tomorrow
and
while
I
have
the
floor-
and
you
know
before
moving
forward,
especially
into
conversations
about
you
know
the
grant,
possibility
and
recommendations
that
we'll
need
to
submit
pretty
soon.
D
You
know
the
training
that
you,
you
know,
make
sure
that
we,
you
know
had
and
that
we're
gonna
continue
to
have,
but-
and
I
know
as
a
city
of
charleston,
this
is
our
first
time
ever
doing
something
like
this.
However,
I
will
caution
our
entire
special
commission
and
moving
forward
with
trying
to
put
together
recommendations
without
ensuring
that
we
are
all
on
the
same
page
as
it
pertains
to
equity.
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
require
additional
training
additional
conversations
amongst
ourselves.
B
I
had
an
opportunity
to
at
least
take
a
look
at
her
powerpoint
presentation,
where
she
clearly
defined
equity
and
distinguished
equity
from
equal
opportunity
and
a
whole
lot
of
other
stuff,
and
for
me,
that's
the
operable
definition
of
equity
and
I
think
they
they
they.
She
used
an
example
to
distinguish
between
equity
and
equal
opportunity,
and
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
perhaps
and
amber,
is
working
on
it.
Now,
with
ms
owens
to
record
the
next
two
components
amber.
B
N
N
N
J
J
So,
basically,
what
I'm
I'm
definitely
going
to
reiterate
what
crystal
was
just
saying:
we
can
have
every
training-
and
I
know
dr
owens
training
and
it's
very
amazing
that
we
need
that
here.
But
if
every
anyone
is
everyone,
that's
on
this
commission
or
who's
going
to
be
part
of
the
commission.
Be
a
council,
member
or
a
commissioner
are
not
going
to
take
that
on
and
take
on
what
we're
learning
from
this
training
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to.
J
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
push
forward
the
agenda
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
I'm
trying
to
say
that
correctly.
I
think
we
absolutely
as
this
commission
on
equity,
including
reconciliation.
We
absolutely
need
to
address
as
crystal
said,
that
elephant
that's
in
the
room
because,
as
chris
was
as
ever
I'm
sure
all
of
us
have
seen
the
news
that
has
been
going
on
within
the
city
over
the
past
few
days
over
the
last
couple
weeks
and
for
us
to
just
be
sitting
here.
J
Talking
about
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
to
move
charleston
forward,
we
need
to
be
able
to
address
the
things
that
are
going
on
right
now.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
proper
time
to
do
it,
whether
we
should
wait
to
the
next
one,
but
I
mean
I
think
it's
fine
time
to
have
a
discussion
about
what's
going
on,
and
I.
B
Could
I
could
give
you
give
you
my
my
opinion,
and
I
think
that
the
one
thing
that
this
commission
does
not
want
to
do
is
when
there
are
when
we
have
differences
of
opinion
or
whatever
that
we
in
any
way
try
to
stifle
it.
I
mean
we
still
have
free
speech.
We
may
not
agree
with
everybody
and
what
everybody
says
and
the
fact
that
we're
not
saying
anything
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we
support
it.
B
But
I
don't
think
that
this
commission,
okay,
this
commission,
should
start
getting
into
individual
activities
of
each
of
its
commissioners,
because
if
we
do
that,
I
mean
if
we
do
that.
Okay,
I
think
what
we
will.
What
we
will
begin
to
do
is
to
start
harnessing
people
from
being
able
to
do
some
of
the
things
that
they
want
to
do.
That's
aside
from
this
commission,
okay.
B
B
B
D
Then
and
respectfully
councilman
gregory,
I
would
like
to
and
you
your
comment
you
mentioned.
You
know
wanting
everyone
to
be
comfortable,
but
when
you're
doing
great
equity
work,
it's
not
a
place
for
comfort,
it's
a
place
for
the
real
work
and
to
tackle
it
head
on.
So
I
I
I
get
what
you're
saying,
but
in
looking
at
the
flow
chart
of
the
city
council,
the
city
council
reports
to
the
citizens.
D
So
for
me,
as
someone
on
the
special
commission
when
I'm
receiving
an
influx
of
communication,
a
situation
that
our
commission
is
supposed
to
be
focused
on
developing
ideas,
to
dismantle,
that's
something
that
maybe
we
don't
do
it
tonight.
But
it's
something
that
we
do
need
to
dig
into
as
soon
as
possible.
E
Thank
you,
I
I.
I
am
very
glad
that
crystal
and
darren
brought
this
forward.
I
I
do
feel
like
it's
it's
something
that
we
do
need
to
wrestle
with.
As
a
commission,
we
only
have
our
credibility
and
if
we
are
going
to
be
presenting
ourselves
to
outside
resources
and
other
other
communities
and
other
investors
and
other
stakeholders
in
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
making
up
for
the
disparities
that
we
all
know
are
true
and
real.
Then
then
we
do
have
to
have
that
kind
of
transparent
integrity.
E
That
brings
the
credibility
I
believe,
to
what
the
commission
will
be
putting
forward
beyond
just
what
the
council
recommendations
are
to
the
rec
to
the
council.
The
recommendations
to
the
council.
The
council
is
going
to
turn
around
and
use
those
recommendations
to
create
something
that
we're
just
about
to
talk
about
with
the
kellogg
foundation
as
an
example
of
the
kinds
of
scrutiny
that
we're
going
to
be
putting
ourselves
through
in
order
to
grow
a
better
charleston
out
of
all
of
this
work.
E
G
G
Can
everybody
hear
me?
Thank
you
number
one.
Obviously,
what
has
been
said
in
these
last
few
days
is
meritless.
It's
factless.
It's
baseless!
I'm
going
to
put
out
a
statement
tomorrow,
that's
going
to
explain
what
really
happened,
but
what
I
will
say
to
all
the
commission.
Members
that
are
yeah
obviously
are
not
happy
with
me.
G
I
would
say:
number
one:
if
my
phone
number
is
very
accessible,
you
could
have
easily
picked
up
the
phone
and
called
me
when
somebody
makes
accusations
that
were
made
about
me
and
the
the
the
time
that
we've
spent
on
council,
especially
these
last
three
years.
For
me
that
meant
so
much
to
me.
I
would
think
that
people
would
would
think
a
little
bit
more
highly
of
me
than
just
to
assume
that
something
so
ridiculous
would
be
accepted.
G
As
fact,
and
so
I
really
wish
that
if
it
hurt
you
so
badly,
you
would
have
picked
up
the
phone
and
called
me
in
the
meantime.
Like
I
said,
I
will
put
out
a
statement,
but
I
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
this
committee
and
I
have
no
intentions
of
resigning
from
this
committee
and
I
have
no
intentions
of
resigning
from
this
council.
G
If
the
committee
doesn't
want
me
to
be
on
this
committee,
you
know
I
will
refrain
from
voting
in
that
matter
and
I
just
like
I
said
I
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
this
committee,
but
I
have
no
intention
of
going
anywhere
and
I
will
let
my
record
on
city
council
be
the
proof
into
what
kind
of
person
I
am.
I
just
don't
think
this
is
the
appropriate
time
to
do
that
and
I'm
not
going
to
waste
any
more
of
this
commission
commission's
time
when
we
have
a
90
million
dollar
grant.
We
could
be
talking
about.
G
And-
and
I
voted
to
to-
and
I
and
I
told
the
mayor
that
I
would
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
this
commission
and
I've-
I've
tried
to
do
that.
The
best
I
can
and
I've
enjoyed
every
bit
of
it.
So
I'm
very
sorry
that
some
of
you
haven't
had
the
chance
to
get
to
know
me
a
little
bit
better
personally,
but
my
phone
number
is
very
accessible
and
you
could
have
easily
called
me
if
people
were
influen
inundating
you
with
messages
just
pick
up
the
phone
and
call.
B
N
You
know
we
do
have
a
constitution
to
uphold
and
you
know
what
on
saturday
afternoon,
I
stood
right
in
the
middle
of
both
sides
with
the
proud
boys
on
one
side,
and
you
know
the
folks
who
had
gathered
with
them
in
antifa
and
the
and
the
folks
who
had
gathered
with
them
on
the
other.
It
was
disgusting.
N
Absolutely
disgusting,
I
have.
I
stood
in
the
middle
of
market
street
bawling
my
eyes
out
the
names
I
was
being
called
that
our
police
officers
were
being
called.
It
was
an
embarrassment
folks
were
walking
down
the
street
saying
what's
going
on,
should
we
go
back
to
our
hotel
rooms?
That's
not
what
we
want
our
visitors
to
feel
or
to
say
ever
so
you
know
no
matter
how
thin
you
slice,
the
bread,
there's
always
two
sides
to
every
story.
N
So
before
we
launch
at
folks,
you
know
remember:
there's,
there's
always
more
than
meet
the
eye
and
none
of
us
are
infallible
either.
So
if
you
know
we're
going
to
start
to
bring
these
things
up,
you
know
we've
also
got
to
know
that
there
will
be
a
mirror,
shine
shining
on
each
and
every
one
of
us.
You
know,
and-
and
it's
not
my
place
to
you-
know
to
to
label
anyone
and
say
what
they
should
or
should
not
do
that's
between
them
and
their
god
and
what
they
need
to
come
to
terms
with.
N
B
And
I
think,
as
a
group,
we
should
have
further
discussion
on
on
this
issue,
because
the
economic
prosperity
of
our
cities
at
stake-
and
we
don't
want
this
commission
to
get
caught
up.
Okay
to
the
point
where
we
cannot
be
as
successful
as
we
should
be
because
we
are
treading
on
very
new
ground
here
and
we
really
just
have.
We
haven't
really
gotten
to
the
nitty-gritty
of
this,
yet
okay.
B
B
K
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
I
would
like
for
us
to
at
least
schedule
or
put
something
on
paper
as
to
when
we're
gonna
have
this
discussion,
because
I
mean
from
from
being
in
this
position.
We
we
have
a
responsibility,
not
just
for
our
subcommittees
and
not
just
for
the
commission,
but
for
the
community.
We
were
brought
on
for
the
sole
purpose
to
make
change,
especially
surrounding
systemic
racism.
K
So
again,
councilman
griffin
can
speak
to
his
side
of
things,
and
we
can
actually
get
things
out
on
the
table
that
we
need
to
talk
about,
because
the
the
biggest
issue
surrounding
this
is
the
fact
that
each
one
of
us
has
a
responsibility
to
represent
this
in
the
best
light
right,
and
if
there
is
question
or
concern
behind
that,
then
I
believe
we
have
to
address
that
before
any
proposal
can
be
made
or
before
any
anything
can
be
done.
For
me
from
a
whole
aspect
of
things,
we
have
to
get
this
right
first.
K
K
K
We've
addressed
that
within
my
committee,
not
councilman,
griffin's
actions,
but
who
we
were
going
to
bring
on
as
far
as
members
because
of
their
actions
may
not
be
in
the
appropriate
manner
or
in
the
best
life,
and
I
hold
that
in
high
regard
and
regard
as
far
as
to
before
I
speak
one
way
or
take
the
the
next
action.
I
I
have
to
say
was
how
would
it
be
perceived
because
in
many
eyes
perception
is
reality.
K
B
Up
to
us,
okay,
there
are,
there
are
12.
How
many
commissioners
are
there?
They're,
the
12
of
us
13
of
us,
the
13
commissioners,
okay
and
all
of
us
bring
a
different
perspective
to
the
table
and
I'm
not
defending
anybody.
It's
so
to
be
clear.
Okay,
but
I'm
saying
that
this
commit
this
commission
was
developed
knowing
that
people
had
different
perceptions
about
things.
B
B
G
I
could
respond.
I
won
right
now,
if,
if
I
may
sure
want
to
make
this
abundantly
clear
on
the
record
on
the
video
tonight
number
one,
I
am
not
a
white
supremacist
number
two.
I
denounce
the
proud
boys
in
every
faction
in
every
way
that
they
are,
and
I
will
never
stand
with
them
and
number
three
michael.
If
you've
had
these
problems
with
me
once
again,
why
haven't
you
picked
up
the
phone
and
called
we
all
talk,
but
very
few
of
us
are
willing
to
actually
meet
with
people
sit
down
and
get
through
differences.
G
We've
got
two
subcommittee
members
that
have
started
all
of
these
allegations
subcommittee
members
of
our
own
racial
conciliation,
commission
that
have
started
all
of
this,
and
so
I
I
can't
wait
to
sit
down
and
talk
about
this,
because
this
is
my
integrity,
my
morality,
my
family
name,
and
I
haven't
heard
from
you
either
councilmember
jackson,
so
you
know
tim
to
me.
I,
my
phone
is
easily
accessible.
The
whole
group
has
it.
G
I
welcome
all
of
you
to
call
me
and
have
let's
have
some
personal
dialogue
and
let's
not
attack
my
character
and
credibility
right
now,
because
what
you're
doing
is
you're
kicking
a
dog
while
it's
down,
I've
already
got
several
baseless
allegations
against
me.
I
don't
need
this
commission
to
also
jump
on
my
back,
but
if
you
feel
like
I'm
a
distraction,
somebody
make
a
motion
and
you
all
take
a
vote.
Whether
you
want
me
to
stay
on
it
or
not.
B
First
of
all,
first
of
all,
we're
not
going
there-
let's-
let's-
let's
have-
let's
have
a
discussion
later
on
we're
not
going
to
turn
this
into
what
it's
getting
ready
to
become
we're
not
going
to
do
that.
Let's
do
that
at
a
at
a
different
time.
I
appreciate
your
responses,
councilman
griffin-
and
I
get
your
concern
michael
and
all
the
other
commissioners,
but
we're
not
going
to
take
this
meeting
to
do
that.
Let's
call
a
special
meeting.
Okay,
so
we
can
just
go
for
it.
B
H
Well:
councilman
councilman,
yes,
jim
yeah,
listen!
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
I
agree
with
you,
but
I
understand
these
young,
these
people
on
this
commission.
They
don't
have
the
three-year
working
experience
with
councilman
griffin
that
we
do
have
that
you
have.
You
know.
Councilwoman
jackson
has,
of
course
ms
dale
chapel
has
the
better
part
of
the
year,
almost
a
year,
working
with
him,
but
there's
already
a
track
record
out
there.
When
a
person
is
served
on
something
in
a
public
body.
H
There's
a
lot
of
votes
out
there
yeah
and
you
can
see
mr
betters
or
michael
or
felice,
or
that
or
crystal
you
can
instead
of
looking
online,
you
can
actually
say
well,
as
he
voted
like
a
supremacist
white
supremacist
on
council,
or
has
he
not
and
and
and
I'm
not
going
to
shade
that
because
he
has
a
right
to
address
that
himself,
but
that
public
track
record
is
already
out
there.
And
you
say
what
do
you
mean
track
record?
H
How
would
a
white
supremacist
vote
if
they
were
on
council
and
the
international
funding
for
international
african
american
museum
came
up
or
how
would
one
of
the
proud
boys
vote
if
affordable
housing
came
up
to
try
and
mitigate
primarily
african-american
community?
That
was
moved
off?
That
track
record
would
be
there.
How
would
a
person
vote
when
you're
trying
to
restore
a
historic
area
in
an
old
african
american
township
of
maryville
ashleyville
area,
with
a
white
supremacist
vote
to
fund
things
like
that?
H
Or
would
they
say
I
am
not
putting
taxpayer
dollars
over
there
or
I
am
not
there's
enough
food
stamps
out
there.
We
don't
need
to
provide
housing
for
them
as
well.
Our
assistant
providing
housing
for
them
as
well
or
when
south
carolina
state
university
comes
down
with
a
federal
grant
and
said
we
like
to
put
a
university
facility
in
the
city
in
the
underserved
area.
On
the
east
side
of
town,
there
are
13
votes
out
there
how
people
would
vote.
I
won't
address
that
because
that
record
is
already
there.
H
H
H
We
need
to
do
something
to
break
down
that
tender
box.
If
you
will,
after
dylan
ruth
what
did
the
city
do?
The
city
spoke
about
the
goodness
of
chelsea.
I
mean
we
had
a
unity
link
all
the
way
across
the
spontaneous
one
end
of
the
ravenel
bridge
to
the
other.
We
had
a
marion
square
sayings
from
you
know,
president
kennedy
and
others
draped
around
the
buildings
there,
the
better
part
of
charleston
reached
out.
H
Okay.
Now
can
this
committee
come
up
to
say
reach
out
to
say
who
came
up
with
those
ideas,
because
I
got
to
be
frank:
you
know
that
was
another
administration.
I
know
the
city
is
doing
things.
For
example,
some
of
the
prime
plywood
boards
on
king
street
that
covered
the
broken
glass
was
painted
to
look
more
attractive.
The
city
led
you
go
up
and
down
king
street.
Now
you
see
beautiful
flower
basket
christmas
basket
hanging
along
the
lap
post,
but
can
we
do
more?
H
H
So
I
look
forward
to
councilman
griffin,
addressing
that.
I
look
forward
to
you
all
examining
the
record
and
then
I
look
forward
to
all
of
us
getting
together
and
saying:
let's
learn
from
the
process.
Let's
do
like
president
obama
say:
let's
make
it
a
teachable
moment,
so
we
can
be
more
prolific
on
the
other
side.
C
I
just
have
a
very
I
have
a
very
quick
statement
for
the
record.
I
have
said
nothing
about
this
conversation,
so
councilman
waring,
you
mentioned
my
name
and
I
I
do
not
have
any
statements
at
this
time.
So
thank
you
very
much
and-
and
I
do
appreciate
everyone's
comments
and
look
forward
to
having
future
discussions.
L
My
professional
work
is
in
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
and
so
I
think
I
have
a
little
bit
of
expertise
here
that
I
feel
compelled
to
lend,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
this
conversation
has
been
about
particularly
councilman
griffin,
that
whole
connection,
but,
as
you
guys
prepare
for
this
conversation,
I
think
what
is
what
I
would
recommend
is
making
sure
that
you
don't
forget
a
couple
of
things,
one.
Why
was
this
commission
even
created,
and
so
the
commission
wasn't
created
to
create
a
better
charleston?
L
This
commission
was
created
for
equity
and
racial
reconciliation,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
have
to
go
into
consideration
is
credibility,
just
like
councilwoman
jackson
said,
but
it's
also
trust
building
with
the
community
in
which
you
want
to
believe.
You
want
the
community
to
believe
that
the
efforts
and
the
work
that's
coming
out
of
this
community
is
not
only
heartfelt
but
that
they
can
trust
that
these
things
are
going
to
take
place,
and
so
I
think
that
you
guys
have
to
broaden
the
conversation
that
you
have
at
whatever
date
and
time.
L
It
was
an
apology
for
slavery
and
the
people
who
were
enslaved
were
black
people,
and
so
I
just
I
just
want
to
caution
that
or
add
that
to
broaden,
as
you
guys
plan
for
whatever
this
conversation
is
going
to
to
look
like.
I
think
all
the
points
were
duly
noted
and
well
stated,
and
then
the
other
thing
is
understanding,
and
I
I
think
you
use
the
name
ebony.
L
I
can't
remember-
please
forgive
me
if
I
didn't
say
her
name
right,
but
whoever
has
been
putting
the
training
together
for
you,
guys,
like
understanding
power
dynamics
and
how
power
dynamics
influence,
not
only
the
work
of
racial
equity.
Racial
at
reconciliation
is
a
really
as
another
component.
If
you
guys
have
not
approached
that,
then
I
would
recommend
that
as
well.
L
But
you
know
I
I
believe
in
this
work,
and
I
think
that
all
of
you
are
coming
from
the
best
place
possible,
especially
in
this
moment,
and
your
experience
is
your
experience,
but
I
just
want
to
keep
us
all
focused
on
what
this
work
is
really
about,
and
there
is
credibility,
and
there
is
trust
there
is
a
believability
to
the
african-american
community.
That
is
important
for
the
success
of
this
work.
B
B
F
F
D
B
Right
and
it
wasn't
taken
as
an
attack
by
me
at
all,
it's
just
a
discussion
and
it's
the
elephant
in
the
room.
Okay,
we've
talked
about
it
and
we'll
talk
about
it
further
and
appreciate
you
bringing
it
up
actually
crystal
okay.
Anybody
else
has
because
I
can't
see
everybody's
hand
not
amber
back
to
you.
We're
gonna,
discuss
the
kellogg
foundation,
racial
equity,
2030.
F
F
F
So
we
are
in
the
phase
of
trying
to
identify
projects
and
community
partners
to
help
with
those
projects.
So
I've
asked
each
subcommittee
to
think
of
one
of
the
recommendations
that
they've
been
working
on.
That
would
require
funding
and
the
community
partners
that
we
would
need
to
help
with
that,
and
so
that
we
can
start
to
develop
our
projects
this
month,
so
that
we
can
start
our
application
in
january.
B
B
F
C
B
B
B
B
So
so
I
think
that
in
response
to
that
question
that
the
commit
all
commissioners
that
can
can
be
a
part
of
the
webinar,
I
should
be,
and
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
we're
raising
now
may
be
answered
as
a
result
of
the
webinar.
We
can
simply
ask
the
question
is:
is
it
is
it?
Is
it
stronger
to
have
co-applicants,
like
the
college
of
charleston,
like
the
citadel,
like
many
of
the
other
racial
conciliation
groups,
that
there
are?
B
C
That's:
okay,
that's,
okay!
Yes,
it
it
did
help,
because
certainly
I
I
can't
volunteer
my
institution
for
anything
it
would
have
to
be.
You
know,
got
it
consulted
through
the
proper
channel,
so
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
on
what
we
were
looking
at
and
so
as
we
move
forward
and
get
our
questions
answered,
then
we'll
know
you
know
which
channels
to
go
through
in
terms
of
contacting
institutions
that
we're
affiliated
with
thank.
G
Mu,
thank
you
so
much.
I
just
want
to
say.
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea
and
you
know
grants
have
been
a
really
great
thing
for
a
lot
of
our
other
departments,
especially
in
sort
of
the
economic
situation.
We're
in
now
we've
been
able
to
get
wildlife
grants
for
drainage
we've
been
able
to
get
housing
grants,
so
this
makes
really
great
sense.
I
think
it's
it's
really
proactive
and
outside
the
box.
Thinking
is
this
a
a
2021
fiscal
year
award,
or
is
this
grand
application
open
for
a
couple
of
years?
Do
you
know
amber.
G
B
Any
other
questions
I
mean:
I'm
really
excited
about
the
potential
of
a
planning
grant
for
for
this
commission.
I
think
it
would
go
a
long
way
perpetuate
its
existence
and
to
assure
that
many
of
the
recommendations
that
will
come
from
the
subcommittee
have
the
ability
to
be
implemented,
so
I'm
excited
about
it.
Any
other
questions,
issues.
I
I
I
hope
at
the
webinar
and
follow-up
questions
to
to
the
kellogg
foundation,
but
but
this
is
just
a
terrific
opportunity
and
I
believe
that
charles
and
all
tonight's
discussion
aside,
charleston,
is,
is
poised
to
to
to
be
a
winner
in
a
application
like
this,
I
mean
our
history,
the
efforts
of
this
commission
things
that
have
happened
in
this
city
over
the
last
350
years.
I
mean
we're
just
natural
for
a
successful
application,
so
I'm
very
excited
about
it
as
well.
B
This
has
been
one
of
the
healthiest
discussions
that
this
commission
has
had
and
we've
got
to
have
more
of
these
kinds
of
discussions.
I
agree
with
you
all
that
we
need
to
discuss
this,
but
when
we
do,
I
think
it
needs
to
be
offline
in
an
executive
session.
Okay
and
we
will
we
will.
We
will
come
up
with
a
date.