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Commission on Equity, Inclusion and Racial Conciliation
A
He's
really
put
together
a
lot
of
research
into
a
lot
of
these
trends
that
we
talk
about
at
a
national
level.
He
actually
can
apply
it
to
specific
neighborhoods
in
the
charleston
area.
It's
very
fascinating.
B
A
A
He'll
tell
you
the
story
about
how
ion
originally
was
going
to
have
multifamily
in
it,
and
it
was
going
to
be
mixed
income
and,
let's
just
say
mount
pleasant,
wasn't
cool
with
that
and
they
still
aren't.
B
Yeah
we've
been
trying
to
develop
in
mount
pleasant
for
a
long
time
and
it
just
and
actually
we
talked
events
about
potentially
doing
some
senior
housing
in
ion.
But.
E
I'll
give
it
another
minute,
so
you
can
jump
on
and
then
kind
of
just
get
started.
E
B
E
B
I'm
a
little
torn
because
I
feel
like
we're.
You
get.
I
heard
the
message
from
councilmember
gregory:
we
need
to
get
some
things
put
forward
to
send
a
city
council,
so
I
feel
like
in
one
way
we
need
to
be
spending
our
meetings
working
on
those
things
that
we
think
we
could
rather
than
doing
meetings
with
exploring
broader.
You
know
what
I
mean.
E
E
B
I
think
I'm
unmuted
but
yeah
what
I
was
saying
was
bringing
forth
items
on
our
recommendations
that
can
come
before
council.
I
feel
I'm
wondering
if
those
things
have
to
come.
First
before
we
invite
speakers
to
come
on
topics
to
educate
fully.
Do
you
know
what
I'm
saying
I
I
just
don't
a
little
torn
about.
E
E
Well,
congratulations,
I
think
we'll
we'll
get
started.
I
know
amber's
here
mike's
on
councilman
gregory
is
not
going
to
be
joining
us
tonight.
Just
so
you
all
know,
and
then
elvin
you'll
be
up
kind
of
just
dive
right
into
economic
empowerment.
But
before
we
get
started,
I'd
like
to
call
today's
224
2021
commission
meeting
to
order,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
minutes
have
been
distributed,
velvet
have
they
been
distributed.
E
Okay,
I
guess
any
questions
before
we
get
started.
I
guess
we'll
do
a
quick
moment
of
silence.
E
I'm
not
going
to
review
any
of
the
group
norms
and
agreements
we
talked
about
those
last
week.
I
know
your
harris
has
to
jump
off
at
six
and
crystal
is
actually
not
available
this
evening
as
well.
So
we're
going
to
spend
most
of
tonight
just
kind
of
discussing
economic
empowerment
and
hearing
from
from
elvin
so
alvin
with
that
take
it
away.
G
Thanks
jason,
so
yeah,
let's
just
let's
just
get
straight
to
it.
So,
basically,
when
we
first
got
together
as
a
group,
you
know
I
mean
we
were
on
fire.
You
know
I
mean
we,
we
had
two
or
three
meetings,
everybody
had
some
great
ideas
and
then
you
know
we
kind
of
figured
out
that
you
know
we
were
not
necessarily
focused
right,
so
we
kind
of
sort
of
stepped
back
and
decided
one.
G
What
is
economic,
empowerment
right?
So
that's!
What
you
see
first
here
is
this
is
our
working
definition,
so
we
decided
that
economic
empowerment
is
the
capacity
of
individuals
to
participate
in
contribute
to
and
benefit
from
growth
processes
in
ways
that
recognize
the
value
of
their
contributions,
respect
their
dignity
and
make
it
possible
to
negotiate
a
fair
distribution
of
the
benefits
of
growth
for
african
americans.
G
Economic
empowerment
drives
freedom,
control
the
power
to
break
free
of
systemic
barriers
by
establishing
mechanisms
that
support
generational
wealth,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
entire
problem
statement,
but
basically
the
problem
statement
supports
the
like
y
right
that
that
that
that
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
meat.
Some
numbers
just
just
straight
data
and
what
we
decided
to
to
really
focus
on
where
you
know
we,
we
really
want
to
focus
on
black
charleston
right.
So
initially
we
were
talking
about.
G
Some
of
our
recommendations,
as
you'll
see,
will
also
affect
the
individuals
outside
of
black
businesses
now
mind
you
there's
still
time
and
and
and
we
will
be
adding
recommendations
growing
on
these.
That
will
also
affect
individuals
that
aren't
necessarily
black
businesses,
but
there
were
four
four
four
focus
areas,
three
really,
but
then
I
added
a
fourth.
G
The
first
focus
here
was
improving
access
to
capital
and
we
had
a
meeting
last
week
with
mayor
teklenberg.
Thank
you
thanks,
mr
mayor
for
being
on,
and
I
will
say
this:
it
was
a
very
spirited
meeting.
This
work
isn't
easy
work.
It's
not
comfortable
work,
there's
a
lot
of
emotions
and
passion
involved,
and
I
mean
sometimes
you
have
to
you
know
getting
to
those
very
hard
subject
matters,
and
we
really
appreciate
you
being
there
for
that.
G
So
our
goal
is
to
basically
fund
100
brand
new
businesses,
black
owned
businesses
over
a
five-year
period.
One
thing
mayor,
techlinberg
challenged
us
on
was
100
is
not
enough
right.
So
so
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
having
increasing
that
number,
but
certainly
we.
We
really
believe
that
there
should
be
more
black
home
businesses
in
the
greater
charleston
area.
G
Some
of
the
strategies
for
doing
that
will
be
to
establish
a
minority
business,
guarantee
fun
and
trust,
and
here's
the
challenge
right
where
you
get
the
money
from
so
we've
actually
met
with
optus
bank,
which
is
a
black
home
bank
out
of
columbia.
G
South
carolina,
a
couple
of
my
subcommittee
members,
have
a
meeting
with
them
having
great
conversations
and
some
of
the
stuff
that
you
see
here
is
a
direct
result
of
those
meetings
with
optus
bank
leveraging
private
sector
capital
and
and
basically
having
the
city
hire
like
dedicated
grant
writer
right
so
that
we
can
go
out
there
and
get
that
money
help
black
businesses
owners
become
building
owners
right.
So
the
whole
idea
behind
that
is.
G
Basically,
you
can
have
a
business
here
in
charleston
for
50
60
years
and
let's
say
that
time
comes
that
you
want
to
close
the
doors
or
you
want
to
move.
So
now
you
have
this
building
that
was
leased
or
like
rented,
but
you
never
owned
that
building.
So
one
of
our
beliefs
towards
how
do
you
become
generational,
wealthy
is
through
real
estate
ownership
and
as
a
black
home
business.
G
It
just
makes
sense
that
the
goal
should
be
to
be
able
to
own
the
building
that
you're
operating
out
of
and
there's
some
information
there
as
well.
We
can
come
back
to
that
later
on
reparations.
G
This
wasn't
necessarily
the
hard
one,
but
it
took
a
while
for
it
to
come
up
in
conversation,
and
I
say
that
because
the
r
word
kind
of
sort
of
triggers
a
lot
of
emotions
from
both
you
know
black
and
brown
people
and
white
people
as
well,
so
we
were
very,
very
delicate
at
first,
but
then
we
just
decided
that
we
just
gotta
dive
into
it
right.
You
can't
talk
about
this
word.
G
You
can't
talk
about
economic
empowerment
without
mentioning
reparations
and
the
root
of
the
word
reparation
isn't
repay,
but
it's
repair.
So
that's
the
focus
like
we're,
trying
to
repair
some
of
these
gaps
that
exist
simply
because
of
the
color
of
somebody's
skin.
G
So
we
looked
at
a
couple
of
areas
right
we
looked
at
universal
basic
income.
I
believe
compton,
the
city
of
compton
in
california
actually
has
this.
They
have
a
very
young
progressive
mater
and
it
was
just
something
that
she
kind
of
really
just
dove
into.
G
This
could
be,
you
know
a
challenge
here,
certainly,
but,
like
I
say
always
like
this,
this
isn't
going
to
be
easy
and
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
popular
either.
So
some
things
I
mean
we're
just
going
to
dive
into
individual
development
accounts,
and
I
will
be
honest
with
you
guys.
Some
of
this
stuff
is
above
my
pay
grade.
G
I
have
a
really
good
subcommittee
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
people
on
there
that
that
that
that
are
in
that
you
know
the
banking
industry
real
estate
industry,
and
this
was
one
thing
that
bernie
mazique
actually
brought
up
and
is
a
passion
of
his
and
I
mentioned
optus
bank
earlier
established
a
black
owned
bank
here
in
charleston.
G
I
do
believe
that
we
need
a
physical
presence,
a
place
that
individuals
can
go
into
cash
checks,
and
I
say
that
because
if
we
have
payday
lending
institutions
that
you
can
walk
into,
if
you
have
you
know
title
loan
institutions
that
you
can
walk
into,
then
you
certainly
need
a
banking
institution
that
people
feel
comfortable
walking
into.
I
know
we're
in
the
21st
century.
You
know
people
do
banking
mobily,
but
everybody
doesn't
have
the
same
level
of
access.
G
So
part
of
equity
is
meeting
people
where
they
are
so
that's
something
I
think
we.
We
should
really
consider
as
well.
G
So
the
second
focus
area
was
political
empowerment
and
leadership.
Development,
and
the
goal
here
is
to
support
black
business
development
startups
and
expanding
existing
businesses.
We
didn't
just
want
to
focus
on
new
businesses
right.
We
want
to
focus
on
the
businesses
that
are
here
currently
and
be
sure
that
we
give
them
the
resources
that
they
need
so
that
they
can
be
successful
right.
G
I
mean
you
want
to
get
past
that
one
two
year
mark
to
where
you're,
where
you're
generating
capital
building
your
your
your
brand
and
then
trying
to
figure
out
how
do
we
as
a
city,
support
these
businesses?
One
thing
that
we
talked
about
was
the
business
opportunity
center.
Ms
ruth
jordan
actually
did
a
presentation
on
this
center,
so
basically
they're,
I'm
sorry,
that's
the
business
opportunity
center
was
from
bernie
mazique.
That's
so.
G
Basically,
it's
an
incubator
space
on
the
peninsula,
where
you
can
host
conferences,
multiple
offices,
common
spaces,
pop-up
retail
black-owned
businesses
will
be
able
to
come
into
this
space
at
a
very
low
cost
and
then,
therefore
they
won't
have
to
incur.
You
know
some
of
the
same
costs
that
are
associated
with
having
to
be
able
to
do
business
in
the
city
of
charleston,
as,
as
you
guys
probably
know
that
can
be
a
pretty
pity.
G
Business
to
business
mentoring
programs
was
something
else
that
we
talked
about
as
well,
and
then
expansion
of
marketing
and
events.
So,
basically,
how
do
we
help
market
black
owned
businesses
right,
giving
that
additional
resources
to
those
businesses
and
just
basically
celebrating
black
owned
businesses
in
the
in
the
city
of
charleston?
G
G
So
we
would
really
like
to
to
a
couple
of
things:
one
change
the
policy
for
for
classification
for
minority
owned
businesses
from
two
years
to
one
year.
So,
personally
speaking
when
I
first
started
my
business
years
ago,
that
was
a
a
barrier
right.
There
was
a
couple
programs
and
projects
that
were
coming
out
and
you
know
companies
were
reaching
out
wanting
to
partner,
so
they
could
check
the
box.
G
So
changing
that
requirement
from
two
years
to
one
year,
we
think
will
be
something
that
will
benefit
black
home
businesses
here
in
charleston,
prioritizing
diversity
study
to
generate
data
and
metrics
on
women
and
minority
owned
businesses
in
the
city
of
charleston,
and
also
establish
a
system
to
basically
track
mwbe
spending.
G
G
That
was
actually
something
that
was
really
frustrating
for
me
to
find
out
personally,
because
I
also
operate
as
the
I
work
for
the
for
aecom
and
we
are
the
city
of
charleston
stormwater
program
manager
and
I
serve
as
the
mwbe
liaison
for
the
program,
and
one
of
my
duties
is
to
basically
be
sure
that
we
are
utilizing
mwbes
and
we
have
this
target
utilization
goal,
which
is
actually
seven
percent
above
what
the
state
of
target
is
for
the
city
of
charleston,
which
is
20,
our
goal
is
27,
and
it
was
kind
of
frustrating
just
to
find
out
that.
G
Yes,
we
are
committed
to
that
goal,
but
it
doesn't
quite
necessarily
seem
that
the
city
is
as
committed,
because
the
resources
aren't
necessarily
being
put
there
to
actually
track
this
data.
G
So
we
need
to
be
able
to
track
that
information,
and
then
the
international
african
american
museum
was
another
subject
matter
as
well.
How
do
we
generate
revenue
from
the
museum
that
gets
directly
back
into
the
black
community?
I
think
some
of
the
frustration
here
was
you
have
this
this,
this
great
venue,
that's
being
constructed.
That's
going
to
tell
part
of
the
black
story
notice,
I
said
part
of
the
black
story
right,
but
how
does
black
charleston
benefit
from
this
venue?
Right?
G
I
mean
people
are
going
to
come
here,
they're,
going
to
patronize
the
space
and
then
they're
gonna
leave
and
go
spend
their
money
in
hotels
and
charleston
and
businesses
in
charleston.
We
think
that
there
should
be
some
type
of
effort
to
where
they
should,
you
know,
be
not
necessarily
pushed,
but
we
advertise
and
promote
the
black
success
stories
in
charleston,
which
are
our
black
owned
businesses
as
well.
G
So
something
else
to
think
about,
and
this
last
one
was
something
that
I
added
accountability,
basically
create
a
system
in
which
the
city
will
be
held
accountable
to
ensure
to
ensure
it
continues
to
move
equity,
inclusion
and
racial
reconciliation
forward.
G
Some
things
that
we
think
will
be
beneficial
here
would
be
to
have
a
resolution
from
the
city
of
charleston
stating
their
commitment
to
this
work,
and
this
resolution
will
be
conspicuously
displayed
in
all
city
buildings
and
properties
right,
so,
whether
you
live
in
the
city
or
whether
you
are
visiting
the
city,
you
need
to
see
that
the
city
is
committed
to
moving
this
type
of
work
forward.
G
I
don't
know
how
much
traction
this
this
this
next
one
will
get,
but
the
creation
of
an
edna
department
where
the
current
eirc
manager
will
become
the
department
head
and
the
office
of
minority
women
and
business
enterprise
would
also
fall
under
this
department
and
then
the
third
one
would
be
basically
dropping
the
special
from
the
equity
inclusion,
a
racial
conciliation
commission
and
making
it
a
permanent
commission
within
the
city
of
charleston
and
then
finally,
whatever
report
that
we
generate
the
final
report
from
this
commission
will
become
a
living
document
and
will
be
updated
as
needed
as
determined
by
the
commission
that
has
established
the
commission
of
equity
inclusion
and
racial
reconciliation.
G
So
economic
empowerment.
I
mean
it's
such
a
broad
subject.
Right
I
mean
but,
like
I
said
earlier,
you
we
can
talk
about
it:
criminal,
justice
reform,
education,
reform,
bridging
disparity
gaps
when
it
comes
to
health
housing.
G
G
If
we
don't
address
this,
like
I
said,
or
at
least
if
we
don't
put
the
effort
towards
addressing
this,
we
might
end
up.
You
know
right
back
where
we
are
in
no
time
so.
5
10
15
years
down
the
road
money
has.
A
E
G
So
jason,
you
know
that
was
actually
something
that
came
up
as
a
result
of
my
meeting
with
the
mayor
last
week
was
having
some
type
of
ranking
system
right,
but
then
also
prioritizing
just
based
off
of
things
that
we
can
do
now.
You
know
short-term
goals
versus
long-term
goals,
but
as
you
kind
of
sort
of
see
it
here,
no
it's
it's
not
ranked.
E
C
E
For
all
of
this,
any,
I
guess
any
thoughts
or
reactions
to
what
else.
H
If
I
could,
mr
chair,
the
business
development
and
access
to
capital
is
one
aspect
of
impacting
the
wealth
gap
disparity,
but
it's
not
the
only
so
the
only
one,
and
when
I
look
at
the
reparations,
the
basic
universal
income
discussion,
perhaps
the
individual
development
accounts
not
not
that
you
guys
need
more
work.
H
Alvin,
perhaps
exploding
out
exploding
out
a
wealth,
slash
reparations
agenda.
H
I
know,
for
example,
that
there's
a
national
proposal
for
the
creation
of
something
called
baby
bonds,
which
begins
to
make
investment
in
children
at
the
at
a
young
age
so
that,
as
they
mature,
their
wealth
development
capital
is,
is
there
so
now?
H
That's
that's
one
thing
that
I
think
I
would
suggest
you
know
perhaps
pulling
out
differentiating
between
business
capital
development
as
as
a
wealth
generator,
as
opposed
to
other
strategies
that
might
be
addressed,
and
we
may
not
be
able
to
articulate
all
of
them
if
we
could
identify
them.
It
would
be
helpful.
G
Thank
you
jerome,
and
can
I
add
this
and
I
left
this
out
earlier,
but
whenever
we
originally
were
talking
about
this
fund,
the
original
intent
wasn't
just
for
it
to
solely
be
flight
business
right
initially.
Yes,
it
would
be
for
business,
but
we
would
also
want
to
be
able
to
to
like
have
this
fun
so
that
we
can
also,
you
know,
education,
transportation,
housing
things
of
that
nature.
G
The
whole
point
of
the
fund
is
so
that
it
can
grow
to
kind
of
sort
of
encompass
all
things,
not
just
black
businesses,
but
that's
just
kind
of
sort
of
where
we're
starting
from
so
I
guess
perhaps
I
could
probably
expand
on
that.
A
little
bit.
I
Hi
alvin,
I
had
just
a
clarifying
question.
You
mentioned
that
in
the
plan
you
mentioned
the
african-american
museum
and
just
asking:
will
there
be
vendors
in
the
museum,
much
like
they
have
at
the
national
museum
in
dc,
and
could
we
consider
making
sure
that
a
percentage
of
those
vendors
are
black
owned.
G
So
that
would
require
us
to
actually
have
a
meeting
with
the
international
african-american
museum
and
that's
something
that
we've
been
working
on
for
the
past
couple
of
weeks.
But
yes,
I
mean
that
would
basically
be
the
point
right
have
some
type
of
commitment
to
where
you
have
a
certain
percentage
of
your
vendors
in
the
museum
that
are
black
owned
businesses.
We
met
with
friends
of
the
low
line
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
and
they
actually
reached
back
out
to
me
as
well,
and
they're
also
want
to
take
that
same
approach.
G
Right
as
we
look
at
developing
that
area,
we
want
to
be
intentional
about.
You
know
attracting
you
know
black
home
vendors
to
some
of
these
kiosk
spaces
that
they
want
to
have
set
up
so,
but
but
yes,
I
can
believe
that's
kind
of
the
light
point
right.
We
just
have
to
have
that
that
that
meeting
with
those
folks.
I
And
does
that
include
our
sweet
grass
basket
crafters
that
often
are
side
of
the
road.
I
don't
know
if
they're
formal
businesses,
but
will
they
have
an
opportunity
to
engage
as
well
in
the
museum.
G
That
would
certainly
that
would
certainly
be
my
hope
and
that's
a
great
point
and
and
if
and
when
we
can
get
those
folks
on
that'd,
be
you
know
something
that
we
can
certainly
bring
up.
I
mean
because
that's
a
like
direct
connection
to
the
past,
really
right,
but
yeah
great
point.
E
I
may
ask
what
has
been
the
challenge
in
trying
to
schedule
that
meeting?
Is
it
just
just
started
that
process
or
do
you
feel
like
you.
G
My
laptop's
going
out,
it
actually
came
up
a
while
back
to
be
quite
honest
with
you
and
I
can
take.
I
take
full
responsibility
for
for
why
we
haven't
scheduled
that
meeting
yet
so,
yes,
we
can
actually
work
on
trying
to
get
that
meeting
scheduled
over
the
next.
I
guess,
four
weeks
that
we
have,
we
are
in
the
process
of
trying
to
get
cbb
back
for
a
second
meeting.
G
We
have
reached
out
to
helen
hill
and
she
has
agreed
to
meet,
but
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
the.
I
guess
how
that
process.
F
G
Gonna
work
out
for
everybody,
so
we
just
got
to
try
to
figure
out.
You
know
how
to
get
those
guys
on
the
schedule.
B
Alvin
one
thing
that
has
come
up
in
some
of
our
discussions
with
folks
on
the
east
side
when
they're
talking
about
all
the
new
development
happening
over
there
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
small
contractors:
individuals
who
have
construction
skills,
but
they
can't
compete
because
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
bond,
they
don't
have
any
bond
capacity,
and
so
there
was
some
discussion
about
how
do
you,
you
know,
form
some
sort
of
coalition
of
those
folks
and
maybe
create
where
they
can
all
come
together
and
have
bonding
capacity
so
that
they
can
actually
bid
on
jobs
and
and
benefit
from
all
of
the
construction
that
is
going
on.
B
And
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
you
guys
have
looked
at.
But
reverend
rivers
spoke
to
us
about
that,
and
also
heard
that
from
the
eastside
neighborhood
association
when
we
met
with
them
some
time
ago.
So
I
just
think
they're.
You
know
if
we
could
figure
out
a
way
that
they
can
participate,
even
single
family
redevelopment
or
the
bigger
construct
jobs
to
be
able
to
compete.
G
Yeah-
and
I
could
be
way
off
on
this
one,
but
that's
that's
I
mean
if
this
fund
you
know,
gets
funded
the
way
that
I
would
kind
of
sort
of
hope
that
it
would,
of
course
it
wouldn't
happen
this
year
and
next
year,
but
that
could
be
something
that
the
city
could
potentially
leverage
to
be
able
to
help.
Some
of
these
contractors
get
the
bonding
capacity
needed
to
be
able
to
prime
some
of
these
contracts
so
yeah,
that's
that's
always
always
been
an
issue,
especially
you
know
we're
talking
about
large
capital
projects.
G
Is
you
know
these
these
guys,
these
women
they
have
the
skill
set,
but
they
just
don't
have
the
bonding
capacity.
So
that's
been
a
major
barrier,
you
know,
that's
always
been
here
I
mean
for
the
longest
and
and
yeah
we
we
just
have
to
get
creative,
that's
how
we
can
do
it.
B
And
number
two
point:
the
entrepreneurial
residence
program.
B
I
think,
like
I
look
at
humanities
foundation,
for
example,
and
we
have
americorps
volunteers
and
folks
who,
who
we
we
have
come
through
our
organization
from
time
to
time,
and
sometimes
they
stay
with
us
as
employees
and
sometimes
they
move
on,
but
we
would
love
to
participate
in
a
program
where
minorities
could
could
learn
the
affordable,
housing
business,
and
you
know
I
mean
I
think
certainly
can
do
a
better
job
of
seeking
out
minority
volunteers
or
you
know
employees,
but
I
think
if
there
was
a
way
that
we
could
tap
into
something
like
this.
F
Alvin,
if,
if
I
could
ask
a
question
or
two
and
then
share
a
couple,
I
think
good
developments
alvin,
you
mentioned
optus
bank
up
in
colombia
and
the
goal
to
open
a
minority
bank
here
in
charleston
united
to
the
president
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
at
that
time
they
just
wanted
to
do
a
lending
office.
Here,
like
a
commercial
office
like
you,
would
find.
E
I
think
the
mayor
froze
okay,
all
right.
A
E
We
gotta
call
it
was
there
any
question
before
the
mayor
gets
back
on.
Did
anyone
else
have
a
quick
question?
I
do
want
to
welcome
councilman
waring,
who
just
joined
us.
Hey
keith,.
C
Just
to
note
that,
naturally
alvin
there's
some
great
synergy,
that's
going
to
be
able
to
take
place
with
the
work
you
guys
are
doing,
especially
in
the
area
of
you
know,
building
out
better
policy
recommendations
as
a
regards
to
contracts
and
response
to
certain
proposals
and
quotes
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
being
able
to
have
that
conversation
with
you,
because
we've
had
those
conversations
in
the
past
about
make
things
like.
C
You
know,
instead
of
a
a
certain
percentage
goal,
making
it
a
floor,
and
so
like
you
know,
if
you
don't,
if
you
don't
particularly
hit
that
percentage
point,
then
you're
you're
forfeiting
a
certain
amount
of
those
dollars.
C
That's
chip
there,
everybody
he
wanted
to
be
on
the
record
apparently
so
he
feels
strongly
about
these
policy
recommendations.
The
other.
The
other
point
that
you
made
that
I
think
I
just
sent
you
the
contact
information
for
elijah
who's,
the
ceo
over
at
the
international
american
museum.
C
So
you
know
that
also
falls
well
online
with
some
of
the
work
we
wanted
to
do
so,
just
looking
forward
to
kind
of
continue
that
work
as
we
start
to
blend
the
work
of
the
subcommittees
together,
that's
going
to
be
important
because
we
also
agree
with
you
that
the
commission
needs
to
go
on
and
it
gets
to
that
whole
sustainability
and
accountability.
Part
that
you
were
friends
with.
E
E
Well,
alvin,
as
the
mayor
joins
us,
I
I
did
have
a
just
when
you
guys
were
thinking
about
funding
sources.
Can
you
just
kind
of
articulate
a
little
bit
more
about
some
potential
buckets
of
money
that
you
thought
that
you
tap
into
or
at
least
create.
G
Well,
I
think
I
mentioned
this
a
while
back
on
a
commission
call
before
the
end
of
2020..
I
try.
G
G
We
have
been
in
conversation
with
there's
a
local
group
of
clergy
here
in
the
city
of
charleston,
I'm
actually
meeting
with
them
again
tomorrow,
they've
been
kind
of
sort
of
moved
into
social
justice,
space
and
they're,
looking
to
take
a
certain
percentage
of
their
church
budget
every
year
and
increasing
that
by
one
percent
up
until
they
haven't
told
me
what
that
ceiling
is,
but
they
want
to
put
it
towards
reparations.
G
G
But
I
I
think
that
with
us
that
the
city
of
charleston
is
known
as
as
the
holy
city
and
some
of
these
you
know,
white
institutions
benefited
tremendously
from
the
the
work,
the
free
work
of
my
ancestors,
and
you
know
I
I
think
it.
It
only
makes
sense
that
they
also
participate
and
help
bridging
some
of
those
gaps.
G
So
that's
going
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
that
we
have
tomorrow,
something
else
that
kind
of
sort
of
came
to
mind
was
the
city
basically
using
whatever
resources
that
it
has
to
kind
of
sort
of
have
this
like
outreach
program
or
or
some
type
of
fundraising
mechanism
every
year
to
where
they
find.
You
know
they
just
go
out,
and
they
have
this
this,
like
great
ball,
it's
like
grand
time
they
get
the
who's
who
at
charleston
and
they.
G
You
know
you
come
out
every
year
and
you
write
a
check
that
goes
to
this
fund.
Another
thing
that
that
came
up
was
basically
establishing
the
fund
and
having
a
mechanism
basically
built
on
the
city's
website,
where
people
can
just
contribute
money
directly
to
the
fund.
G
We
saw
that
maybe
it
was
evanston
illinois,
I
can't
remember,
but
you
can
actually
go
to
their
city's
website
and
click
on
a
link
and
contribute
to
their
reparations
fund.
G
So
there's
probably
people
out
there
that
have
a
lot
of
energy
for
this
work
and
want
to
be
out
there
in
the
streets
marching
raising
money
or
whatever.
But
then
you,
you
probably
also
have
people
that
just
want
to
write
a
check
and
I'm
okay
with
that.
I'm
okay
with
you
just
wanting
to
write
a
check.
I
think
we
need
to
create
some
type
of
way
in
which
we
can
capture
everybody.
Give
everybody
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
contribute
to
the
calls.
E
F
F
My
question
was:
what
about
asking
optus
bank
just
to
open
a
branch
here
that
might
be
an
easier
lift
to
get
started.
They
had
talked
about
doing
a
commercial
office,
but
they
got
funded
recently
with
a
good
slug
of
capital
from
somewhere.
I
forget
where,
and
maybe
we
could
just
talk
him
into
expanding
here.
What
do
you
think.
G
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
it
wouldn't
hurt
to
ask,
I
guess,
would
there
be
any
I
guess
opportunity
or
are
there
any
spaces
that
the
city
would
have
available
to
kind
of
sort
of
help
and
entice
them
to
this
area?.
F
Possibly
yeah,
I
tried
to
offer
them
an
office
space,
not
a
retail
space
a
year
before
last,
but
they
they
weren't
ready
yet
or
something
that
didn't
suit
them.
But
it.
F
Now
that
they
got
that
nice
capital
infusion
might
be
time
to
go
back
to
him,
the
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
mention.
I
just
ran
into
him
last
week.
I
thought
was
fabulous
news
and
I'm
meeting
with
him
tomorrow.
You
all
know
herbert
drayton.
F
Drayton
yeah,
he
he's
starting
a
equity
fund
with
an
initial
goal
of
15
million
for
for
black
businesses
and
anyway,
I
I'll
meet
with
him
tomorrow
and
see.
If
there's
any
way,
we
can
cooperate
with
him
so
by
the
way
thanks.
I
think
a
lot
of
these
recommendations
are
terrific
and
and
you're
you're
spot
on.
We
we
realize
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
on
tracking
information,
even.
F
Procurement,
I've
been
working
on
for
a
little
bit,
but
we
we
hadn't
gotten
there,
yet
I
I
gotta
admit
it,
but
I
the
other
thing
that
I'm
not
at
the
point
yet
where
I
would
say,
I'm
uplifted,
but
I
was
encouraged
here
today.
I
met
with
the
chamber
of
commerce.
They
trying
to
rekindle
our
relationship,
and
this
is
something
I've
been
talking
with
them
about
for
some
time,
but
I
think
with
all
the
events
of
the
last
year,
that
they've
they've
really
gotten
a
little
more
serious.
F
She
was
reviewing
their
goals
of
having
not
just
a
city
minority
business
database,
but
having
a
regional
tri-county
one
and
them
keeping
it
up
and
keeping
it
current
and
keeping
it
vetted
and
then
going
to
the
community.
As
I
have
always
thought
would
be
a
great
idea,
because
you
can't
do
this
just
on
the
backs
of
government
of
going
to
the
private
business
community
and
asking
businesses
to
pledge
to
do
businesses
with
those
minority
firms.
G
Yeah
they
actually
presented
to
us
last
week.
F
B
D
F
Time
so
you
know
if
we
can.
F
F
I
I
think
the
time
is
right
to
really
really
get
some
specifics
going.
So
thank
you
for
your
good
work
and
recommendations,
and-
and-
and
I
was
fine
at
at
the
meeting
last
week-
I'm
like
a
duck,
you
know,
and
the
water
sometimes
just
gotta
flow
down.
Your
back.
You
know.
G
Yeah,
yes,
sir,
these
are
very
difficult.
You
know
I
mean
they
aren't
easy
conversations.
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
very
passionate
about
this,
so
yeah,
I
I
just
you
know,
want
to
thank
you
again,
for
you
know,
coming
and
just
contributing.
F
But
but
they
mentioned
like
they
had
additional
recommendations
that
wasn't
on
your
list.
If
you
could
call
those
out
I'd,
be
I'd.
G
G
Yes,
sir,
yes,
sir,
we
will
be
potentially
adding
some
more
and
once
we
do
that,
then
we'll
certainly
get
them
over
to
amber
and
amber
be
able
to
get
them
out
to
the
group.
So
certainly
I
mean
it's
like
I
said
earlier,
like
economic
empowerment
like
where
do
you
stop
right?
That's
the
difficult
task.
F
Where's
the
hardest
part
y'all
and
you
look
you
look
at
the.
I
don't
need
to
tell
y'all.
This
is
the
choir.
But
if
you
look
at
this
disparity
numbers
of
income
and
wealth,
they're
no
better
than
they
were
in
1964
when
the
civil
rights
act
passed,
they're
the
same
or
worse,
isn't
that
right?
That's.
G
J
Well,
mr
jimmy.
J
Yeah
I
mean
I
obviously
appreciate
the
mia's
comments
and
his
points
are
very
good
points,
but
one
of
the
things
you
spoke
about
earlier
alvin
was
capital
access
to
capital
and
I
do
believe
the
city
is
the
first
time
the
man
probably
I
know
councilman
lapel
and
sacramento
there's
hearing
this,
but
you
know
one
of
the
things
some
of
the
younger
folk
brought
up
during
our
heart
budget
negotiations
with
mayor
was
selling
some
excess
property.
J
J
J
Now
they
can't
take
rate
payer
money
to
do
it,
but
they
have
some.
Let's
call
it
non-qualified
revenues
that
they
possibly
could
they
actually
use
some
right
now
that
they
have
to.
Mr,
what's
the
real,
the
current
name,
it
used
to
be
charleston
county
health
and
human
services,
but
they
have
a
new
name.
I
think
it's.
F
J
No
matter
action:
okay,
right
now,
if
people
have
trouble
paying
their
life
bills,
cws
actually
gives
on
an
annual
basis
monies
for
people
to
go,
get
a
grant,
help
pay
water
bills,
that's
not
what
I'm
after
they
can
also
maybe
give
towards
this
revolving
loan
fund.
Okay,
then
we
go
to
dominion
and
pull
danny
cassis
in
they
used
to
give
money
towards
sustainability,
to
give
half
million
dollars
a
year
towards
a
sustainability
institute
which
would
help
low
to
moderate
families
weatherize
their
homes.
J
Well,
the
sustainability
institute.
I
don't
think
they
kind
of
defund
it
and
the
effect
is
the
oh
scng
and
dominion
have
been
big
allies
in
the
international
african-american
museum,
and
if
the
city
were
to
lead
with
contributions
into
this
revolving
loan
fund,
in
particular
for
business
needs.
You
find
that
the
t's,
the
dominions,
the
cws
cws's,
I
should
say,
will
contribute
into
that,
and
then
you
get
into
the
the
bank.
J
Money
centers
account
account
fences
the
the
foundations
for
the
wells
fargo's
of
the
world
they
have
where
they
give
into
community
wells,
fargo,
he's
being
on
the
board
of
wells
fargo.
J
He
used
to
put
back
in
the
community
three
or
four
hundred
thousand
a
year
just
through
community
giving
so,
but
if
the
city
leads
with
a
revolving
loan
from
like
that,
I
think
you're
gonna
find
that
that's
gonna
you'd
be
shocked
what
you
could
do
when
you
get
four
or
five
million
dollars
in
a
revolving
loan
fund,
in
particular
for
bridge
loans,
one
of
the
biggest
allies
and
believe
it
or
not.
Creators
of
affordable
housing
is
something
that's
not
even
recognized
in
this
city.
J
Is
the
african
americans
out
there
who
renovate
homes
and
apartment
buildings
to
rent
to
the
section
8
system
when
the
snl's
went
into
trouble
after
the
great
recession,
snl,
primarily
loaned
into
creation
of
houses
when
they
got
absorbed
by
the
vfas
of
the
world
and
the
wells
fargos
of
the
world
and
the
you
know,
citibanks
of
the
world?
Big
banks?
Don't
do
that,
so
they
just
simply
tell
you.
We
don't
do
those
type
loans
so
that
niche?
J
Then
they're
going
to
qualify
for
permanent
financing,
but
getting
from
that
raw
lot
with
utilities
at
the
property
line
to
building
that
duplex
or
building
that
quadraplex
or
even
building
that
single
family
house
is
where
that
revolving
loan
fund
can
come
in
the
moment.
You
do
that
you
you
help
create
jobs,
for
people
like
tracy
was
talking
about
the
that
carpenter
or
that
plumber
or
that
electrician
who
doesn't
have
that
bonding,
but
can
get
that
job
in
their
own
community.
J
We
don't
have.
We
can
create
that
economy
with
that
type
of
creativity
with
with
that
with
that
loan
fund.
Of
course,
you
get
grant
writers
and
things
like
that.
Maybe
get
some
grant
grants
as
well
involved,
but
you'd
be
shocked
with
just
having
them.
You
leverage
a
you
know.
You
know
four
or
five.
You
know
you
know
five
to
ten
million
dollars,
but
that
leadership
can
be
created
by
the
city
of
charleston.
J
You
know
I
can
remember
when,
when
mayor
chuckenberg
came
in,
if
you
were
to
ask
us
how
many,
how
many
afford
affordable
housing
projects
that
the
city
had
you're
probably
going
on,
you
probably
can
count
them
on
it's
my
right
hand
and,
I
would
add,
a
couple
of
extra
fingers
today.
You
need
multiple
hands
to
cut
the
prop
to
count
the
projects.
That's
going
on
right
now,
and
that's
because
I
gotta
give
the
mayor
credit
he's
laid
on
that,
and
that
has
been
a
city-wide
objective,
not
a
department
objective.
J
I
mean
a
city-wide
objective
to
the
point
now
I
would
say:
if
we're
not
the
leading
city
with
affordable
housing,
maybe
greenfield
greenville's
doing
some
innovative
ideas
up
there,
but
housing
is
so
important
until
we
track
it
as
an
economic
measurement
monthly
in
this
country,
because
housing
creates
jobs,
it
creates
jobs
for
the
attorneys,
the
surveyors
home
depots
and
those
of
the
world.
They
sell
supplies
and
right
now
we
need
that
renewable
source.
J
So
when
we,
when
I
say
a
route
revolving
loan
fund
and
capital,
so
people
can
you
know
we
got
enough,
we
got
more
projects
than
we
got
money
to
put
into
them.
So
that's
why
you're
going
to
need
something
revolving
and
something
that's
going
to
be
renewable
that
multiple
entities
can
give
into
in
particular
when
they
see
results.
J
So
second
thing
is:
the
ldc
has
been
revitalized
through
the
city,
as
dora
can
speak
about
that
one
of
the
aspects
of
adding
on
to
something
called
a
cdfi
community
development,
financial
institution.
J
Those
are
very
powerful
things
and,
with
the
advent
of
we
have
one
at
in
charleston
at
ldc
got
a
great
director
over
there.
But
I
got
some
bad
news
for
everybody
on
here.
He
he's
been
hired
by
a
headhunter
and
he's
going
to
a
much
larger
entity.
Steve
saltzman
is
gonna.
F
J
J
To
new
hampshire,
they
have
a
huge
one
of
the
leading
cdfis
in
the
country
is
in
new
hampshire
and
he's
he's
been
head.
J
J
That's
right:
he
set
the
stage
for
that
relationship
to
be
we
knitted
with
the
city.
Now
we
got
to
recruit
a
good
director
to
come
back
with.
Hopefully,
some
skill
sets
and
I'll
go
backwards
to
where
we
were,
but
cdfi
will
get
additional
funding
under
the
biden
administration,
which
will
give
funding
to
micro,
businesses
and
brown
and
african-american
businesses,
that's
their
primary
objective
in
this
country.
So
somehow
the
ldc
along
with
the
cdfi
has
to
be
part
of
this
economic
equation,
moving
forward
so
and
believe
it
or
not.
J
Mrs
willis,
oh,
I
should
say
butler
with
us.
The
hospitals
can
come
in
as
well.
I
mean
the
ropers
and
francis
of
the
world.
I
don't
know
so
much
out
of
of
of
medical,
you
they're
kind
of
bounded
by
state
guidelines
and
things
like
that,
but
certainly
rocus
and
francis
being
one
of
the
largest
economic
engines
in
this
region.
I
I
used
to
be
on
that
boat
over
there
about
nine
years,
not
quite
a
decade,
because
now,
just
about
everybody's
going
over
there
that
I
need.
J
There
you
go
so
see
when
you
look
at
some
of
the
largest
employees,
the
utility
companies,
the
in
this
case
ropers
and
francis
the
cdfi.
The
city
has
to
lead,
of
course,
and
if
you
say
where
do
we
get
that
money
from
we're
gonna.
C
J
Be
creative
probably
will
come
some
from
right
now,
mr
yeah,
I
think
and
and
ross,
if
you
think
anything,
better
jason,
probably
some
excess
real
estate
sales
that
it's
a
tufa.
We
put
it
back
on
the
property
textbooks
and
then
the
city
gets
some
of
it
after
we
had
that
meeting
by
the
way-
and
you
all
may
mention
it
wasn't
me,
but
some
of
the
newer
members
of
council
may
mention
possible
selling
excess
properties.
J
J
J
So
I
think
all
this
is
great
and
you're
right.
We
can
go
to
somehow
business
allies
and
the
chamber
I
mean,
namely
we
need
to
get
some
of
the
stakeholders,
like
anita
zucker
and
her
team
involved,
because
they're
gonna
come
up
with
additional
creativity
that
none
of
us
have
thought
about.
So
getting
the
right
people
around
the
table
will
have
will
create
the
capital
that
can
be
be
organized
to
do
what
we're
talking
about
doing
on
this
committee.
J
F
Mr
chairman,
I
apologize,
I
gotta
sign
off
for
a
6,
30
commitment
and
alvin.
Thank
you
for
the
good
work
and
thanks
to
all
of
our
commissioners,
for
what
we
got
going
here.
Good
good
work
on.
E
This
all
right,
thank
you,
mayor
for
joining
good.
Thank
you
providing
you.
We've
only
got
four
more
minutes
left.
You
know
councilman
appel's
on
as
well
ross
any
thoughts,
reactions.
A
Sure
sure
and
alvin.
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
I
thought
it
was
very
informative
and
keith,
of
course,
as
always,
your
perspective
is
so
so
helpful
and
and
interesting
and
got
my
mind
thinking
about
a
variety
of
different
ideas.
A
I
wanted
maybe
just
to
toss
another
thought
out
there
that
we
can
maybe
pick
up
at
another
date,
but
I
read
a
book
recently
called
the
color
of
law
by
a
guy
named
richard
rothstein
out
on
out
from
the
west
coast
and
are
y'all
familiar
with
that
book.
I'm
familiar
with
him
yeah,
it's
it's
a
it's,
a
extremely
eye-opening
account
of
how
you
know.
A
As
alvin
mentioned
I
mean
you
know,
the
issue
of
generational
wealth
is
is
is
really
something
that
has
disproportionately
impacted
african
americans
in
in
recent
times.
We're
not
we're
not
talking
about
hundreds
of
years
ago.
Ancient
history,
for
example,
I
mean
I
live
in
burns
downs.
One
of
the
like
you
know
nicer.
You
know
I've
been
got,
you
know
expensive.
You
know
neighborhoods.
My
neighbor
bought
her
house
for
80
000.
A
You
know
back
in
back
in
not
too
long
ago.
Now,
it's
probably
worth
close
to
400
000
right,
that's
how
wealth
gets
created
over
time
and
what
this
book
does
is.
It
goes
through
really,
you
know
from
the
from
the
world
war,
one
era
new
deal
through
world
war
ii,
how
the
federal
and
state
governments
subsidized
and
got
the
private
housing
industry
started
in
this
country
through
a
variety
of
federal
programs,
incentives,
things
of
that
nature.
A
A
So
so,
when
I
hear
reparations
and-
and
we
all
know
how
controversial
that
is
and
sort
of,
you
know
what
storm
that
creates
politically,
I
don't
think
you
have
to
go
back
to
the
1700s
and
the
1800s
like
you
can
go
back
to
the
1940s,
50s
and
60s
and
talk
about
people
that
are
still
living
today
that
were
overtly
explicitly
racially
discriminated
against
through
major
government
actions.
Subsidies.
I
mean
government
injections
into
the
marketplace
to
to
allow
housing,
the
private
housing
market
that
private
lending
markets
to
function.
A
There's
neighborhoods
in
this
community
that
were
the
direct
recipients
of
this
type
of
aid,
and
you
know
you
had
african-american
soldiers
in
world
war
ii
coming
back
to
america,
where
their
you
know,
you
know,
fellow
brothers
in
arms
were
able
to
get
a
house
start
building
that
generational
wealth
move
into
the
suburbs
start
the
american
dream,
whereas
african
americans
were
locked
out
of
that
stuff,
not
through
some
private
scheme
but
through
overt
public
government
discrimination.
A
I
think
when
you
start
making
the
reparations
argument
tacking
it
to
that
more
recent
conduct.
That
is
so
clear,
and
so
I
mean
you
know
you
can
I
mean
this
is
not
the
fog
of
history.
This
is
this.
Is
yesterday
relatively
speaking,
and
that's
what
that
book
goes
through,
and
the
book
really
builds
a
case
for
reparations
based
upon
this.
A
This
history-
and
I
think
it's
just
fascinating
and
eye-opening-
and
it
gets
to
questions
you
know
along
the
lines
of
our
development
policies.
Land
use,
affordable,
housing,
things
of
that
nature.
I
just
throw
that
off
as
as
kind
of
a
food
for
thought,
as
we
continue
this
discussion,
because
it's
a
really
eye
opening
you
know
picture
into
into
the
world
that
did
not
many
people
have
a
very
you
know
it's
not
in
the
public
consciousness.
A
This
history
there's
just
this
and
it's
in
it
when
you,
when
you
start
factoring
into
this,
you
start
you
know
going
down
these
rabbit
holes.
You
start
reading
this
book,
you,
you
start
looking
at
the
world
a
lot
differently,
and
I
just
think
that
the
more
we
can
do
to
sort
of
project
this
perspective
into
the
into
the
public
discourse.
I
think
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
as
we
as
we
move
forward.
So.
J
Let
me
say:
let
me
add
on
to
that,
if
you
all
will
go
to
c-span
and
and
please
pull
up
a
yeah,
it's
a
segment,
a
show
where
tallahassee
coats
is
interviewing.
Mr
ross
dean
about
the
same
book
that
ross
is
speaking
to
I
mean
it's
fascinating
man,
oh
yeah,
it's
one
of
those
things.
You
look
at
look
at
again.
How
many
people
know
where
the
sergeant
jasper
is
remember
on
the
call
of
lockwood
and
broad.
D
J
J
That's
now
boy
something
fabulous
now
the
original
money
that
the
ceo
of
the
former
beach
company
got
from
the
federal
government
to
buy
the
land
and
build
that
15
14
15
story
building
was,
I
mean,
that's
the
way
it
was
worded,
affordable,
housing
for
white
people.
J
This
was
after
world
war
ii,
so
we
were
left
out
of
that.
We
couldn't
move
in
that
place
back
then,
but.
B
J
That's
I'm
telling
you
that's
fascinating
book
that
I
hadn't
read
the
book.
I
did
see
the
show
I
have
been
meaning
to
get
the
book,
but
anyway,
thanks
for
bringing
it
up.
B
I
just
downloaded
the
book
on
my
ipad,
while
you
were
talking
about
it.
Carol.
Jackson
told
me
to
read
that
book
too,
and
and
on
that
keith
keith,
when
you
were
talking
about
the
sorry,
jasper,
the
isle
of
palms,
my
husband's
family
had
a
little
house
on
the
isle
of
palms
and
it
was
in
their
deed
that
it
could
not
be
transferred
to
a
person
of
color
and
people
of
color
couldn't
be
on
the
isle
of
palms.
After
a
certain
time
at
night,.
J
Listen
ultimate
author
mcfarland
lives
on
grove
street
when
he
bought
his
house
on
girl
street.
It
had
that
indeed,.
A
Yeah
and
those
deeds
were
required
by
the
federal
government
to
qualify
for
fha
loans.
I
mean
they
would
not
greenlight
a
suburb,
but
the
developer
came
in
and
said:
I
want
to
develop.
200
lots.
The
developer
had
to
have
these
fha
loans
in
order
to
move
those
products.
This
was
before
rocket
mortgage.
You
know,
quicken
loans,
like
the
only
mortgage
in
in
the
in
the
country
for
regular
people
was
through
the
federal
government.
It
just
was
not
a
mature
mortgage
market.
The
underwriting
guidelines
required
those
racial
restrictive
covenants.
I
mean
this
stuff.
A
Is
you
know
from
the
federal
government,
the
federal
housing
authority?
And
it's
not
ancient
history,
and
it's
just
a
remarkable
story
that
is
not
in
the
public
consciousness
and
to
keith's
point.
You
can
save
yourself
some
money
and
a
lot
of
time.
I
mean
you,
there's
videos
of
this
guy
on
youtube.
For
about
an
hour.
You
can
get
the
gist
of
it,
pretty
quick,
it's
just
very,
very
informative
and
it's
helped
kind
of
guide.
A
My
my
thinking
on
some
of
these
issues-
and
I
think
that
I
mean
really-
I
mean
a
big
upshot
of
this
case-
is
he
thinks
that,
like
a
a
a
case,
can
be
made
that
there's
like
legal
claims
and
violations
like
violations
of
the
civil
rights
act?
I
mean
when
all
this
stuff
was
happening.
We
had
a
14th
amendment.
A
You
know
we
had
civil
rights
era
laws,
not
not
the
not
the
stuff
from
the
1960s,
but
there
were
still
things
on
the
books
that
you
could
have
read
to
prohibit
this
kind
of
stuff,
but
you
get
into
some
very
complicated
legal
issues
about
intent
and
impact
and
things
of
that
nature,
which
is
very
complicated.
But
this
is
a
very
emerging
kind
of
conversation.
That's
very
eye-opening,
and
it's
just
and
it's
in
and
like
y'all
said
it's
it's
here
I
mean
that's
the
same
folks,
jc
long.
A
You
know
they
develop
burns
down,
so
I
was
talking
about
earlier
and
and
that
wealth
that
they
garnered
through
that
process
allowed
them
to
get
involved
in
all
kinds
of
stuff
around
the
country
kiowa
and
all
this
kind
of
stuff,
and
it
just
shows
how
you
can
leverage
this
stuff
up
over
time
and
last
thing
I'll
say
I
promise
I'll
be
quiet.
A
Is
you
know
my
my
friend
and
client
and
vince,
graham,
the
guy
that
developed
ion
and
some
other
really
notable
developments
in
the
area
he's
actually
like
spent
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
hours
like
going
through
old
newspaper
articles
in
the
city
of
charleston
and
records,
and
deeds
he's
like
put
all
this
stuff
up?
Have
you
ever
seen?
A
Those
like
you
know,
crime
shows
where,
like
they've
got
the
pictures
on
the
wall
with,
like
all
the
red
strings
connected
to
everyone,
he's
got
it
all
figured
out
and
it's
a
fascinating
story
that
sort
of
takes
the
themes
in
the
in
the
in
the
narrative
from
rothstein's
book
and
sort
of
applies
it
here
to
charleston
in
north
charleston
and
the
surrounding
areas
that
we
can
all
we
know.
We
know
these
neighborhoods,
we
know
these
developers,
we
know
how
all
this
happened
and
I
think
it's
just
a
very
interesting.
B
E
E
I
think
it's
imperative
that
that
we
we
get
a
list
of
of
some
of
these
folks
that
can
present
to
the
entire
commission
and-
dare
I
say
all
of
council
if
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
these
issues
in
council
and
voting
on
them.
E
The
point
that
ross
makes
and
councilman
ware
makes
are,
are
more
salient
than
than
anything,
because
when
you
think
about
the
impacts,
the
argument
that
we
will
get
more
over
for
about
reparations
and
the
work
we're
doing
is:
oh
that
was
300
years
ago,
and
I
hear
it
all
the
time,
but
when
you
make
the
point
that
this
was
contemporary,
this
is
literally
yesterday
to
ross's
point.
I
think
that
is
an
argument
and
that's
a
discussion
we
the
council
deserves,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
for
all
of
council.
E
So
I
think
we
need
to
get
some
of
these
folks
to
to
the
committee
meetings
and
present
to
the
entire
commission
and
alvin
just
to
circle.
Back
and
we'll
conclude,
you
know
you
started
today's
discussion
and
on
your
interim
around
funding,
and
I
think
you
know
from
from
councilman
waring's
point
in
the
mayor's
point
we're
back
to
it
and
I
think
if
we
can
focus
on
one
thing
over,
the
next
short
term
is:
let's
get.
Let's
get
these
players
to
the
table?
Let's
leverage
the
relationships
that
we
have.
E
And
the
chamber
you
did
mention
you
were
trying
to
reach
out
to
helen
hill.
E
One
of
my
recommendations
was:
let's,
let's
get
the
chamber
on
board
and,
and
the
city
has
to
lead-
and
I
know
councilman
waring
and
councilman
appel
both
articulated
that
if
the
city
leads
with
money,
I
do
think
it's
gonna
be
much
easier
to
to
secure
some
additional
funding
and,
just
to
finalize
you
know,
elven,
you
had
mentioned
some
sort
of
signature
event
what
we
call
a
fundraiser,
but
you
know
that
signature
event
could
can
entirely
be
focused
on
the
messaging
of
the
match,
so
the
the
city
is
going
to
put
in
whatever
money
your
your,
your
your
challenge
is
to
match
the
city,
and
that
could
be
you
know
the
theme
and
concept
for
that
type
of
event
and
to
councilman
waring's
point.
E
You
know
three,
four:
five
million
dollars
in
a
revolving
loan
fund.
It
starts
to
add
up.
So
I
think
everything
I've
heard
tonight
in
terms
of
your
recommendations.
Alvin,
you
know.
The
one
thing
that
to
me
is
is
the
most
powerful
is,
is
getting
off
the
ground
with
with
the
funding
source,
and
I
think
you
can
attest
that
most
of
your
subcommittee
members
are
focused
on
that
right.
G
Yeah
I'll
probably
say
99.9.
G
Yes
and
I'll
just
say
this:
real
quick,
jason
yeah,
I
mean
four
or
five
ten
million
dollars
is
great.
I
really
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
energy
out
there
and
and
that
there
are
people
that
will
be
willing
to
come
to
the
table
if
they
just
saw
some
of
the
of
their
friends
coming
to
the
table
as
well.
We
just
got
to
get
it
out
there.
I.
I
really
think
that
we
would
be
surprised
at
how
the
city
of
charleston
the
folks
of
this
city
respond
to
this
effort.
G
If
we
do
a
good
job
of
you
know
getting
the
information
out
there,
public
outreach
campaign
taking
control
of
the
narrative,
I
really
think
that
we
would
surprise
ourselves
so.
E
I
agree,
john,
you
had
a
comment.
C
Two:
yes,
one:
let's
not
limit
ourselves
for
the
matching
front
such
conversation.
If
we're
going
to
do
that,
it
needs
to
be
something
where
the
city,
you
know,
bonafides
a
certain
amount
and
says
you
know
hey.
This
is
how
much
we're
guaranteeing
and
then
saying:
hey,
we're
challenging
you
and
saying.
If
you
guys
exceed
this
limit,
we'll
match
you,
that's
probably
a
better
way
to
do
it
so
you're
not
already
putting
a
cap
on
what
that
fundraising
goal
or
looks
like
the
second
thing
that
I
had
to
say
was
to
be
blunt.
C
This
is
the
type
of
stuff
where
we
have
to
hear
from
the
white
members
of
the
commission
and
the
white
persons
that
are
that
are
kind
of
involved
with
this
process.
What
parts
are
sailing
it
to
you,
because
I
can
sit
and
talk
to
you
until
I'm
blue
in
the
face
about
any
of
the
items
that
are
kind
of
talked
about
here
tonight,
and
you
might
have
noticed
that
most
of
the
black
persons
that
are
listening
onto
this
call,
we
kind
of
understood.
C
Don't
their
kids
don't
have
to
get
a
loan
to
buy
a
house.
You
see
what
I'm
saying
like
that's
just
part
of
the
story,
so
kind
of
whatever
points
are
the
most
salient
to
you
guys.
That's
what
we
really
need
to
understand,
because
I
can
tell
you
about
that.
I
can
tell
you
about
things
that
go
back
350
years.
I
can
pay
about
things
to
go
back
further
than
that
in
south
carolina
in
this
region.
C
You
know,
because,
let's
not
forget
that
black
people
were
here
before
1670
in
the
buford
area,
so
you
know
we
can.
We
can
dig
real
deep
into
the
history
and
we
can
talk
about
the
injustices
that
have
gone
on,
but
until
we're
really
realizing
what's
going
to
make
the
most
sense
to
get
something
done
now,
we'll
just
keep
throwing
the
factoids
out
there
until
something
sticks,
because
that's
really
all
we
can
do
is
just
keep
shouting.
J
One
last
thing
I'd
say:
I
agree
with
everything
you
said
john.
I
tell
you
one
other
thing,
as
I
said,
sit
here
and
think
about
it.
Every
bank
board
in
this
area
has
a
board
of
advisors
that
you
pull
that
off
the
line.
We
need
to
pull
off
every
bank
board.
I
think
they're,
like
15
or
16
banks
in
the
area
board
of
advisors
and
let's
see
what
minority
members
are
on
those
boards
and
and
we
need
to
talk
to
them.
So
they
can
carry
our
message
into
the
bank
board
meetings.
J
Okay,
same
thing
with
ropers
and
friends,
because
we
you
know,
we
have
kimberly
on
the
line.
She
would
do
that,
but
certainly
I
think
roberta
pinkney
and
mckelvey,
I
think,
is
on
the
on
the
actual
big
board.
You
got
the
system
board
and
then
you
got
the
little
hospital
board,
but
get
the
people
on
the
system
board
they're
going
to
get
that
voice.
There's
nothing
like
what
we're
trying
to
do
being
proposed
by
a
board
member
to
the
ceo
of
a
corporation
and
then.
J
Lastly,
we
need
to
get
into
the
ceo
round
table.
We
have
a
ceo
round
table
in
the
charleston
area.
Again
I
you
know,
I
called
my
friend,
you
know
anita
zucker.
They
did
help
us
get
into
that
as
well
or
maybe
even
the
lane
hutchinsons
of
the
world.
So
we
have
access
to
those
areas.
We
need
to
kind
of
get
this
thing
structured,
so
they
can
say
make
sense,
and
this
is
how
we
can
help
it
grow.
So
anyways.
J
I
Rope,
saint
france,
I'm
like,
let
me
add
in
edward
mckelvey,
is
us
who
sits
on
our
larger
board
and
he's
actually
a
vp
for
south
state
bank.
J
E
D
E
One
thing
I
do
want
to
mention
just
quickly
before
we
depart,
you
know
amber
myself,
dudley
and
mike
had
a
conversation
today,
and
I
think
it's
important
particularly
these
conversations
that
we're
we're
able
to
and
are
allowed
to
to
share
authenticity
and
things
that
I'm
feeling
you
know
this
is
the
third
meeting
that
I've
chaired
and
after
coming
off
the
second
meeting
last
two
weeks
ago.
You
know
I
I'm
gonna.
Just
be
honest
with
you
all.
I
had
a
dynamic
in
my
head
thinking.
E
E
So
I'm
not
perfect
and
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
say
to
you
all
that
I'm
honored
I'm
proud
and
you
know
knowing
that
we
need
to
have
a
safe
space
sometimes
and
be
able
to
share
things.
Because
I
have
questions
and
and
amber
will
tell
you
and
when
john
was
was
with
the
city.
You
know
those
are
great
discussions
for
me
to
be
able
to
share
what
I'm
thinking
and
push
back
and
then
they
push
back
on
me
and
it's
helped.
E
So
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
proud
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
together
and
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
that
I
recognized
the
dynamic
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
all
did,
but
I
did
so
if.
B
I
can
just
add
jason.
I
had
this
I've
had
this
conversation
with
melissa,
evans
and
with
oath
of
meadows
and
other
told
me
he
didn't
hold
it
against
me
because
I'm
white,
I
mean
I
have
the
same
conversations.
Is
my
committee
holding
back
because
I'm
the
chair
and
you
know
how
is
our
dynamic
working
and
you
know
what
am
I
bringing
to
the
table
so
I'm
with
you,
I
am
I'm
feeling
challenged
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
be
able
to
be
authentic
in
these
conversations
and
I'm
glad
to
be
a
part
of
the
process.
I
One,
the
revolution
needs
white
people
and
two
there's
nothing
more
exciting
than
a
chance
to
challenge
and
stretch
white
people
in
this
conversation.
So
thank
you
for
being
here.
Your
presence
is
important
because
if
we
can't
articulate
it
outside
of
our
community,
we
certainly
can't
see
it
outside
of
our
community.
J
J
Alvin
and
what
he's
done
I
mean
it
was
some
good
work
that
you've
done
matter.
Of
fact
I
mean
that
was
great,
so
thank
you
for
what
you
do
and-
and
all
I
can
say,
is-
keep
up
the
good
work.
G
I
wish
I
could
take
all
the
credit
for
that,
but
I
have
seven
subcommittee
members
that
are
outstanding
dedicated
to
the
process
and,
like
I
mentioned
to
them
to
the
mayor
earlier,
we're
a
very
passionate
group
and
I'm
not
gonna,
say
nobody's
safe
in
our
space.
But
you
will
definitely
come
into
our
space
and
be
uncomfortable
because
if
you're
doing
this
work
and
if
you
haven't
been
un
uncomfortable
yet
then
I
would,
I
just
have
to
say
that
the
work
hasn't
started
yet.
So.