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Commission on Equity, Inclusion and Racial Conciliation 8/4/2021
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D
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B
C
C
C
B
G
C
Any
discussion
on
those
minutes
there's
no
discussion
all
in
favor.
Please
say
yes,
yes,
yes,
yes,
all
opposed
awesome.
The
motion
passes.
The
minutes
are
approved,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
final
report,
and
I
just
want
to
say
a
few
words
and
then
I
then
I
would
probably
encourage
amber
and
dudley
to
chime
in
it's
been
a
it's
been
a
long
year
for
for
us,
and
certainly
covet,
has
exacerbated
some
of
the
challenges,
but
I
just
want
to
say,
as
as
we
prepare
for
to
submit
these
final
recommendations.
C
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
really
proud
of
what
we
accomplished
this
year
and
along
the
way,
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
some
felt
we
were
moving
too
fast,
while
others
felt
we
were
moving
too
slow
and
we
had
some
say
some
naysayers
and
a
few
that
became
disenchanted
along
the
way.
But
more
importantly,
I
do
want
to
recognize
those
who
understood
that
anything,
this
important
and
this
complex
and
really
this
historic,
it's
not
a
linear
process
and
it
does
get
messy
and
it
does
get
uncomfortable.
C
C
Some
said
this
effort
was
a
window
dressing.
Some
became
impatient
with
the
process,
and
others
used
this
commission
as
political
fodder
for
their
social
media
feeds,
and
I
just
want
to
say
in
the
face
of
these
challenges,
a
large
majority
of
us,
particularly
those
on
this
call
they
dug
in
put
our
heads
down.
We
got
to
work
to
those
who
got
on
the
bus,
stayed
on
the
bus
and
refused
to
get
off
the
bus.
C
C
B
I
don't
think
I'd
not
think.
I
know
this
is
not
going
to
be
one
of
those
documents
that
will
sit
on
the
shelf.
The
city's
commitment
is
obvious
because
we
have
a
full-time
person
dedicated
to
implementing
assisting
and
implementing
this.
This
document,
once
council
and
subcommittees
have
gone
through
and
make
their
recommendations
accordingly.
B
B
I
Thank
you,
and
I
would
also
like
to
thank
all
of
our
committee
members,
commission
members,
for
all
of
your
work,
your
commitment.
I
know
this
has
been
a
big
time
commitment
for
all
of
you.
I
know
you
all
have
busy
schedules,
but
I
really
appreciate
the
time
that
you
put
in
to
this
effort.
I'm
really
grateful.
I
know
that
it's
been
really
challenging
to
move
forward,
but
you've
always
stuck
with
us,
and
I
am
just
really
grateful
for
all
of
you.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
C
J
I
would
like
to
make
a
comment
and
thank
everybody
for
your
involvement,
which
has
probably
already
been
said.
You
know
I
I
kind
of
view
this
as
a
really
historical
undertaking,
particularly
giving
the
history
of
the
city
and
the
systemic
nature
of
racism
in
our
society
and
and
just
a
couple
of
points
to
the
implementation
and
maybe
amber,
has
has
already
shared
with
you.
J
I
see
darren
calhoun
and
his
internal
review
of
our
city
operations
and
amber's
been
meeting
starting
to
meet
with
department
by
department
and
working
on
their
diversity
issues
really
digging
digging
down
into
our
own
city
operations
and
then
the
economic
empowerment
group,
for
example.
They
they
recommended
minority
business
incubator,
we're
well
on
the
way
of
designing
and
making
that
a
reality.
C
J
To
be
honest
with
you,
even
before
this
thing
is
made
at
the
city
council,
I
feel,
like
we've
been
in
good
faith
working
on
some
of
these
some
of
these
great
ideas.
So
so
thank
you
all
again
for
this.
I
think
historic
effort
and
it's
it's
the
end
of
one
iteration
of
the
commission,
but
good
things
should
come
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
C
K
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
the
opportunity
to
serve
and
again
I
learned
a
lot
I
think
I've
grown
as
a
person.
I
think
my
work
has
grown
and
I'm
proud
to
say
that
some
of
the
recommendations
are
being
looked
at
and
implemented
and
I'm
excited
about
going
forward,
but
I
do
want
to
advocate
for
some
recognition
for
our
subcommittee
members.
K
My
subcommittee
really
worked
hard
and
they
took
on
projects
individually
spent
time
were
moving.
We
were
moving
forward
as
if
we
were
actually
implementing
something
for
a
while,
so
there
were
meetings
being
held
and
things
being
done
and
they
were
enthusiastic
and
because
this
process
has
taken
a
bit
of
time.
Since
we
finished
our
recommendations,
you
know
they
have
sort
of
been
left.
There
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
involvement
for
them
and
some
kind
of
recognition
from
the
mayor,
the
co-chair
city
council.
K
C
Thank
you
trace.
It's
duly
noted.
I
mean
we've.
We've
had
this
discussion,
so
when
this
does
come
to
council,
I
think
it'd
be
most
beneficial
to
to
recognize
them,
for
the
record
have
their
name
in
the
record,
but
I
think
dudley,
myself
and
amber
and
the
mayor
can
talk
about.
You
know
a
future
event
or
some
way
to
to
basically
integrate
them
back
into
the
work.
But
that's
duly
noted.
So
thank
you,
tracy.
B
B
So
I
think
that
when
we
present
this
to
council
all
of
us
here,
as
well
as
the
other
40-something
persons
who
participated,
should
be
in
that
meeting
one
way
or
the
other
zoom
or
physically,
and
I
think
that
would
also
be
a
great
time
for
the
mayor
to
so
to
have
a
a
conversation
and
thank
you
with
them
as
well.
In
addition
to
whatever
we
will
do
to
recognize
their
input.
C
L
All
right
well
I'll,
say
something,
though
it
was
very
good
to
watch
this
unfold
and
in
the
early
portions
there
was
a
lot
of
emotions
that
you
can
think
that
would
blow
something
like
this
up.
So
I
want
to
give
my
thanks
heartfelt
thanks
for
everybody
subcommittees
as
well
as
this
committee
for
hanging
in
there,
because
when
drama
comes,
you
know,
blood
pressure
rises
and
the
better
judgment
somehow
doesn't
come
forward.
In
this
case,
better
judgment
did
so
that's
something
you
that
stays
with
you
for
a
lifetime.
L
When
that
happens,
you
know
some
of
the
young
people
on
here
when
you
get
gray
hair
like
dudley,
not
me,
but
when
you
get
gray
hair
like
deadly,
you
will
begin
to
say
you
know
way
back
in
2020
and
2021.
We
did
this,
especially
when
some
of
these
changes
begin
to
get
implemented.
So
I
I
thank
all
of
in
particular
the
younger
people
on
him,
because
we
have
to
listen
to
you
because
it's
y'all's
time
not
not
out.
L
Somebody
gave
us
the
opportunity
decades
ago,
so
not
that
we
quitting
on
you,
but
thank
you
for
what
you
all
did,
because
you
all
did
the
work
now.
I
guess
there'll
be
a
passing
a
baton
eventually,
but
you
all
will
be
the
watchmen
on
the
wall
to
make
sure
that
it
gets
implemented.
So
thank
you
for
what
you've
done.
G
G
People
really
pour
themselves
out
and
not
know
where
it
was
going
to
lead
and
basically
just
you
know,
take
a
lot
of
risk
and,
and
they
all
had
to
be
publicized
and
you
know
on
youtube
or
whatever
we
did
recorded
them.
So
I
I'm
really
grateful
to
the
honesty
and
the
integrity
and
the
product,
and
I
look
forward
to
being
part
of
the
process
that
makes
this
real.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
E
Before
we
even
get
to
the
substance
of
the
report,
which
is
the
most
important
part,
I
do
have
a
few
changes.
I
would
love
to
see
first,
the
picture
of
dr
o.
I
feel
as
if
we
need
to
make
that
change,
particularly.
I
don't
know
if
doctor
o
reading
this-
and
you
know
face
to
my
brother-
whether
he'll
want
just
like
his
face
being
the
image
of
this,
this
that
actually
positively
needs
to
change
and
then
also
even
just
looking
at
the
photos
of
it.
E
The
second
picture
is
a
picture
from
the
av
research
center
archives,
and
I
think
it
was
mentioned
that
it
came
from
the
post
and
curry,
but
that's
definitely
from
the
avery's
archives.
There's
no
attribution
for
that,
but
then
we
I
would
we
can
get
attribution
for
that,
but
then
also
even
if
we
pull
the
archival
image
from
the
avery
or
from
any
other
archival
repository
inside
of
charleston.
M
Can
I
can
I
amplify
that,
on
the
the
middle
passage,
image
has
emotional
emits
and
a
particular
emotional
piece
from
african
descended
people?
This
report
is
not
only
designed
to
attract
and
engage
african
descended
people
on
and
the
cover
should,
I
believe,
invite
other
folks
in,
and
I
don't
believe
that
that
particular
image
does
that.
That
was
a
concern
I
had
associated
with.
Besides
my
own
emotional
response
to
it,
and
thank
you.
B
E
B
A
Yeah
thank
you
darren
and
I
also
sent
an
email
to
you,
councilman
gregory,
councilman
saccharon
and
amber
johnson,
with
a
couple
of
suggestions
from
the
lowcountry
digital
archive
that
was
sent
several
weeks
ago
now.
So
I
would
encourage
you.
I
know
everyone
gets
tons
of
emails,
but
I
would
encourage
you
to
perhaps
take
a
look
at
that
and
definitely
connect
with
darren,
because
getting
rights
to
the
pictures
would
be,
I
think,
probably
more
straightforward
from
avery
than
even
from
the
lowcountry
digital
archive
and.
F
A
There
were
some
others.
I
can't
remember
what
I
put
in
the
email
I
apologize.
It's
been
a
while,
but
yeah,
I
think
I
know
I
suggested
one
with
the
indigo
another
about
rice
and
then
I
think
I
don't
know
if
I
put
it
in
that
email,
but
the
original
picture
that
amber
had
suggested
it
resonated
with
with
me
and-
and
it
was
just
an
image
of
the
city,
a
certain.
I
can't
remember
which
angle
the
image
was
taken
from,
but
I
know
I
remember
at
that
meeting.
A
A
B
B
Okay,
once
amber
gets
those
pictures,
maybe
we
funnel
them
back
out
to
everybody
and
have
them
pick,
then
we
can
move
on.
Okay.
Anyone
that
has
suggestions
for
pictures,
I
think
send
them
to
amber
amber,
will
then
get
all
those
pictures
out
to
the
commissioners
and,
let's
just
vote
on
it
and
move
on.
C
J
I
was
just
gonna
suggest
that
we
don't
end
up
micromanaging
amber
on
this
and
can
facilitate
getting
this
done
in
time.
For
our
city
council
meeting
is
maybe
we
vote
on
the
cover
photo
and
then
all
the
rest
of
the
photos,
just
if
anybody
has
an
objection
to
using
one
of
them,
let
us
know
and
and
leave
it
up
to
amber
to
place
them
throughout
the
report
appropriately.
J
A
N
It's
mayor's
microphone,
so
what
he
said
dr
knight,
is
that
we
would
give
amber
the
the
autonomy
to
choose
the
best
picture
for
the
for
the
report,
rather
than
micromanaging
her
as
the
word
that
he
used
and
making
making
it
that
we
have
to
vote.
But
we
would
just
make
sure
that
the
cover
art
was
something
that
we
all
agree
on,
because
I
think
we
all
found
issue
with
the
art
absolutely
can.
J
Sorry,
if
some
reason
at
home
that
works
better
with
my
headphones,
I
was
just
saying.
Maybe
we
vote
on
the
cover
photo
and
then
eliminate
any
that
anybody
objects
to
throughout
the
rest
of
it,
but
allow
amber
to
make
the
decision
on
where,
in
the
rest
of
the
report,
the
the
the
rest
of
the
pictures
go.
So
we
don't
like
micromanage
every
picture
on
every
page
and
that
kind
of
thing
just
tonight
just
an
idea.
B
A
A
Okay,
so,
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
amber
and
also
councilman,
sacrament
and
gregory
for
putting
together
the
report.
I
think
the
thing
that
brought
me
the
most
excitement
were
the
wonderful
appendices
where
y'all
were
able
to
translate
some
of
the
reports
that
my
subcommittee
acquired
from
other
agencies
that
I'm
sure
were
in
very
strange
formats
and
make
it
legible.
So
I
really
really
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
whomever
on
the
team
was
able
to
get
that
done.
A
But
the
one
thing
that
I
noted
with
those
appendices
is
they
aren't
labeled
it's
a
minor
thing.
I
think
it
just
could
be
a
a
simple
insertion
of
title
pages
so
appendix
a
b
c,
in
the
order
that
my
subcommittee's
report
lists
them
and
that
way,
when
people
are
reading
through
the
history
and
culture
subcommittee's
report,
they
can
quickly
go
to
the
back
and
see
appendix
a
and
it
corresponds
directly
to
the
particular
document.
Because
it's
a
lot
of
information.
A
A
I
just
noted
that
you
know
my
revisions
are
in
paragraph
form
and
everyone
else
is
in
bullet
form.
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
willing
to
break
that
out
in
the
bullet.
Point
form
amber
if
that
would
be
more
useful,
so
that
the
just
so
that
the
formatting
is
uniform
as
people
are
reading
the
report,
because
I
don't
want
to
be
the
lone
paragraph
when
everybody
else
has
bullet
points,
so
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that
and
and
that's
about.
J
A
A
J
A
J
M
The
introduction
does
not,
in
my
opinion,
if
we
speak
to
diversity,
inclusion
and
equity,
but
there's
not
a
explicit
statement
about
racial
conciliation
and
given
what
we've
seen
in
terms
of
polarization
in
the
period
since
we've
been
working
and
the
fact
that
probably
the
racial
racial
conciliation
is
the
most
difficult
thing
to
do,
either
in
somewhere
in
the
document.
In
the
introduction
comments,
either
by
the
chairs,
co-chairs
and
or
the
mayor,
we
we
need
to
address
that.
M
So
I
that
stuck
out
with
me,
as
I
read
through
the
report
and
I'm
not
certain
other
than-
and
I
apologize
to
the
other
commissioners,
because
I
may
not
have
read
your
reports
as
deeply
as
I
might
have-
that
the
discussion
recommendation
for
community
meetings
around
public
safety
and
the
like
comes
as
close
to
creating
an
environment
where
this
conversation
and
discussion
to
have
somebody's
difficult
conversation
was
difficult
for
13
of
us
to
do
it.
Can
you
imagine
and
we'll
need
those
other
people
to
be
involved?
M
So
that's
that's
one
thing
and
the
other
is
that
I
think
there
needs
to
be
at
least
a
paragraph
of
instruction
on
to
the
reader
as
they
move
from
going
into
it.
You
know,
after
the
executive
summary
something
that
says
and
they're
the
recommended
detailed
recommendations
outlined
in
in
the
grids,
so
that
folks
can
kind
of.
I
may
miss
that
amber.
I
don't
know
from
that.
M
E
Yes,
the
obviously,
through
reading
the
report
we
there
will
need
to
be
a
update
to
the
dates
and
timings
that
are
listed
within
each
board's
recommendations.
We
put
those
dates
on
believing
that
this
report
was
going
to
come
out
of
may
or
june
or
so
or
even
prior
than
that.
So
all
the
dates
need
to
be
updated
with
with
the
current
dates
before
it
actually
goes
before
council,
but
I
I'm
looking
at
some
of
them
where
it
says
july,
1st
or
july
23rd
or
so
or
whatnot.
N
C
B
M
Is
there
plans
to
go
beyond
that
public
hearings,
town
hall
meetings,
but
something
for
to
get
additional
con
comment
and
input
and
buy-in
from
folks
to
get
them
to
argue
with
us
about
our
recommendations
or
or
engage?
So
it's
not
just
the
echo
chamber
of
city
council
where
the
conversation
is
going
on.
C
I
M
So
that
will
be
announced
with
the
release
I
mean
of
the
report.
There's
a
process
dates
planned
et
cetera,
I'm
just
I
just
don't
want
to
again
lose
the
momentum
of
the
release
of
the
report
and
then
somebody's
got
to
organize
these
meetings
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
just
don't-
want
to
lose
the
momentum.
C
I'm
happy
to
I'm
happy
to
give
you
a
view,
and
then
it
definitely
wants
to
chunk
in
so
the
the
point
of
tonight.
We're
going
to
vote
on
forwarding
this
report
to
city
council
and
mayor
techemberg
and
each
of
the
report.
Several
there's
like
100
some
recommendations,
they're
going
to
be
sent
to
the
appropriate
subcommittees,
while
they're
in
the
subcommittees.
C
The
process
is
that
we
will
then
either
bring
them
to
council
or
work
with
the
existing
infrastructure,
which
is
this
commission
to
figure
out
if
you're
going
to
do
any
kind
of
public
engagement.
So
the
next
step
from
here
is
promoting
these
recommendations
to
people
and
that's
what
we're
voting
on.
B
I
mean
when
we
talk
when
we
talk
about
housing
in
our
community
development
standing
committee
and
the
recommendations
from
that
sub
group
thereof,
we
will
need
a
tracy
doran
and
her
subcommittee
to
be
available
in
the
same
with
public
safety
but
jerome.
If
I'm
hearing
you
correctly,
okay,
you're
talking
about
engagement
before
we
even
get
to
that.
B
In
other
words,
what
you're
looking
for
and
I'm
in
agreement
with
what
you're
looking
for,
is
some
public
input
as
we
take
this
through
the
subcommittee
process,
so
that
that
subcommittee,
not
that
subcommittee,
that
standing
committee
would
have
information
from
the
public
and
their
positions
on
the
various
recommendations
prior
to
it.
Going
to
council
for
approval.
M
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
that
would
I
think
that
would
be
good
helpful
on,
because
of
the
the
time
constraints
that
we
had
and
the
staffing
constraints
that
we
had.
I
know
in
our
in
our
area.
We
did
not
have
the
kind
of
input
that
I
would
like
and
that
could
have
informed
us
and
I
think
it
would.
It
will
help
the
process
both
in
terms
of
content,
as
well
as
the
buy-in
on
constituency
building
to
move
these
things.
G
Thanks,
I,
I
think
that
you're
you're,
definitely
framing
a
you
know,
a
process
that
we
need
to
take
seriously
jerome.
So
thanks
a
lot
for
that.
I
I've
had
one
short
conversation
with
councilmember
safran,
just
just
to
say
that
we
know
that
there's
got
to
be
some.
You
know,
group
that
makes
sure
that
we're
not
dropping
the
balls.
G
As
as
we
go
past
the
council
into
our
standing
committees,
where
usually
the
city
department
has
framed
the
agendas
for
those
committees,
but
each
each
of
those
standing
committees
has
a
chairman
who's
on
the
city
council,
and
so
we
all
have
input
into
what
our
scanning
committee
should
be.
Taking
up
this
business
that
will
ultimately
end
up
to
the
council.
E
Yep
councilman
jackson,
the
only
thing
I
would
say
to
that
is:
what
do
we
do?
What
will
be
the
checks
and
balances
that
this
humidity
wouldn't
fall
by
the
wayside
during
an
election
season,
to
say
the
least,
you
know,
depending
on
where
you're
pulling
or
where
anybody's
polling,
no
one
in
any,
given
their
time
that
this
will
be
something
that
you
just
talked
about
away.
So
not
saying
that
you'll
do
that
personally,
but
you
know
anybody
who's
on
this
and
working.
E
G
G
If,
if
we're
part
of
the
commission
now-
and
we
are
being
asked
to
take
a
vote
today-
to
recommend
this
report
for
the
process
that
jason
and
dudley
of
outlines,
then
I
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
give
our
word
right
now,
as
we
vote
that
we'll
do
our
absolute
best
to
make
sure
that
this
you
know.
Whole
ball
of
wax
goes
forward
so.
B
I
clearly
understand,
potentially
the
effect
that
it
could
have.
But
for
me
this
is
bigger
than
any
election
or
anyone
on
the
in
that's
participating
here.
So
I'm
all
in,
and
I
I'm
I
could
say
the
same
for
my
other
colleagues
that
are
running
within
the
next
three
or
four
four
months
we're
all
in
so
so
I
don't
think
we
need
to,
I
wouldn't
say
worry.
B
B
You
won't
see
any
you
won't.
You
only
see
consistency
with
me
to
try
to
push
this
thing
through,
regardless
of
the
results
of
any
election
as
well,
because
it's
much
more
important
than
any
individual
on
this
screen,
and
that's
why
I
applaud
what
we've
done
and
I
think
that
we
put
too
much
sweat
tears
into
this
to
just
let
it
slip.
We
will
never
have
this
opportunity
again.
B
C
Thanks
dudley
and
keith
I'll
get
you
one.
Second,
I
just
I
just
want
to
add
to
to
councilwoman
jackson,
overview
and
kind
of
feeling.
I
have
a
great
conversation
with
amber
today,
so
I
think
it's
important
for
amber
to
to
share
you
know.
I
think
I
think
it
is
part
of
part
of
our
responsibility
carol
to
to
to
push
this,
but
I
think
the
whole
point
of
some
of
this
is
sustainability
in
creating
a
sustainable
department.
That's
going
to
help
push
this
so
amber
really
did
share
some.
C
Some
highlights
with
me
today
some
things
that
I
was
not
aware
of
so
amber.
If
you
could
just
talk
to
darren's
point,
I
think
that's
particularly
helpful.
It
doesn't
take
us
off
to
off
the
out
of
our
responsibility,
but
certainly
it's
it's
internal
and
I
think,
there's
there's
a
point
here
that
amber
made
to
me
that
really
made
me
feel
reassured
so
amber
if
you
could
just
talk
to
that
real
quick.
I
Also,
the
plan
is
to
help
is
to
have
our
departments,
build
a
core
equity
team
so
that
our
staff
members
are
also
doing
this
work
and
they're
responsible
for
the
recommendations
as
well.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
team
of
us
that
are
working
on
it
and
responsible
and
making
sure
that
we
are
moving
forward.
I
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
on
on
those
of
us
who
are
here
tonight
our
role
going
forward.
We
are
when
we
turn
in
our
report
and
we
vote
on
this
report.
Then
the
work
of
this
commission
is
officially
done
and
that
a
new
commission
will
be
is
well.
Fingers
crossed
will
be
established.
It
needs
to
be
established.
F
J
L
Yeah
I
do
manifest.
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
that
jerry
and
darien
had
as
well
as
councilwoman
jackson.
Somehow
the
institutional
knowledge
of
this
committee
has
to
continue
so
if
a
new
new
commission
at
this
end,
the
mission
is
appointed.
How
does
that
knowledge
of
good
workers?
The
mission
continues,
so
it
has
to
be
some
crossover.
L
I
would
think
because
I'm
talking
about
somebody
else's
schedule,
I'm
talking
about
mine
as
well,
because
I'm
still
I'm
still
going
to
be
around
when
this
commission
when
this
report
goes
forward.
I
think
it
may
be
good
for
the
council
members
here,
even
the
mayor
to
kind
of
partial
it
by
the
leaving
as
to
what
committee
within
standing
committee
within
the
city,
you
know
what
portion
of
report
should
go
to.
L
We
think
we're
better
than
that
at
the
city
level.
So
I
know
we
bias.
I
know
the
mayor
council
members
owners
on
the
zoo
meeting
would
agree
with
that.
That's
where
our
work
begins
on
the
city
level,
but
for
you
all
if
it
goes
to
the
committee,
whatever
portion
you
worked
on,
what
committee
is
that
assigned
to?
L
I
think
you
all
should
know
that
before
we
disband
also
the
council
members
that
are
on
this
commission
that
are
up
for
reelection,
I
think,
should
win
lose
a
draw,
should
be
a
part
of
whatever
new
commission
now
is
named
or
whatever
reconstituted
commission
his
name
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
when
councilman
lapel
can
speak
to
this
and
sacrament
the
learning
curve.
When
you
come
on,
the
council
is
steep,
so
hypothetically
two
new
people
get
elected
in
the
spot
of.
I
don't
want
this
to
happen.
L
I
know
that
sounds
selfish,
but
I
don't
think
I'm
being
selfish.
I
don't
want
this
to
lose
momentum,
because
personality
new
personality
came
into
the
equation
in
particular
and
somehow
believe
it
or
not.
When
you
leave
and
and
and-
and
you
get
a
call
from
a
former
council
person
as
a
as
a
current
council
person,
you
want
to
act
on
me.
You
don't
want
to
let
your
former
colleague
down
I'm
talking
those
who
who
aren't
up
for
re-election,
I'm
not
up,
I'm
not
up
for
re-election.
L
The
mayor
isn't
councilman
saccharin
in
half
a
council
they're
not
for
re-election,
but
when
a
former,
that's
kind
of
like
an
unwritten
rule,
but
when
a
former
council
person
calls
somebody
that
they
work
with,
they
want
to
make
sure
that
issue
gets
carried
out.
So
it
would
be
good
to
keep
the
experience.
L
Win,
lose
a
draw
of
the
people
on
council
on
that
is
on
this
committee.
Let
them
remain
because
when
things
begin
to
go
awry
in
a
committee
that
council
pen
member,
no
that
former
council
member
knows
when
somebody's
you
know
pouring
water
down
your
neck
as
opposed
to
raining
outside.
So
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
benefit.
L
B
L
B
E
Is
it
possible
that
council
will
end
up
taking
some
recommendations
or
some
pieces
of
awareness
like
whatever
that
has
been
written
and
not
taking
either
parts
of
it
or
everything
will
just
be
taken
as
a
whole
and
it
just
if
it
makes
it
it
makes
it?
Don't
it
don't?
My
second
question
would
be
if
it
does
get
through
the
next
council
meeting.
E
C
To
well
to
answer
your
first
question
darren
about
where
it's
going
from
here,
the
the
goal
is
that
we're
going
to
make
a
motion
tonight.
Hopefully
you
all
will
approve
it
to
forward
this
to
city
council
right.
At
that
point,
the
the
the
logic
is
that
city
council
will
receive
the
document
in
its
entirety
and
then
then
we
will
break
it
up
into
its
individual
subcommittee.
Sub-Scanning.
B
No
we're
not
gonna
we're,
not
gonna
whitewash
any
of
the
recommendations.
The
recommendations
are
what
they
are
and
and
and
and
on
the
ordinance
that
we're
on
two
tracks:
okay,
acceptance
of
the
of
the
report
from
the
commission
by
council,
and
hopefully,
first
reading,
of
the
ordinance
which
will
make
this
commission
permanent
right.
So
there
there
are
two
different
steps.
E
B
B
E
L
E
K
B
L
L
All
these
other
task
force
when
they
come,
they
come
forward
with
their
report
and
it
comes
with
great
respect.
I
mean
with
a
draft
on
it
kind
of
those
other
countries.
Maybe
we
can
change
things
back
and
forth.
Maybe
we
do
have
the
right
to
change
things,
but
it
doesn't
have
the
same
respect
from
a
task
force
such
as
this.
That
has
been
working,
for,
I
don't
know
a
year
a
year
and
a
half
on
this.
I
don't
think
this
commit
this
task.
Force
wants
to
send
something
with
the
impression
is
incomplete.
L
C
K
Just
very
quickly,
I
think,
I'm
still
a
little
bit
confused
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
addressed
tonight.
But
I
would
ask
that
amber
would
follow
up
with
the
chairs
of
the
subcommittees
and
let
us
know
sort
of
what
the
vision
is
going
forward
and
if
subcommittee
members
are
expected
to
still
participate,
because
I
know
that
we've
been
looking
at
a
different
commission
going
forward
and
I
just
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
me
to
know
you
know
what
that's
going
to
look
like
what
the
expectations
are.
B
I
think
it
would
I
I
think
it
would
be
a
mistake,
okay
to
change
this
commission
in
mid,
mid
stream.
Okay,
when
the
mayor
says
in
a
new
iteration,
he
doesn't
mean
that
everybody
on
this
thing
is
gone.
That's
not
what
he's
talking
about
at
all,
okay,
and
I
think
the
iteration
will
have
specific
specific
recommendations
and
responsibilities
of
the
commission
itself.
B
B
J
Technically
it
is
a
new
commission,
but
it
doesn't
exclude
anybody
from
you
know
who's
serving
now
to
serve
on
the
the
next
one.
There
may
be
folks,
I'm
not
saying
y'all
have
had
all
the
fun
you
could
stand,
but
you
know
your
personal
time.
Commitments
might
be
such
so
you're
ready
for
a
break
whatever
we'll
we
will
have
to
y'all
y'all.
Let
us
know
I
guess,
if
you'd
like
to
continue
to
serve
on
the
next
one
and
and
that
that
would
be
the
best
approach.
J
A
Thank
you
for
that
clarification
because
I
understand
where
tracy's
coming
from
too
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
understand
myself
and
because
you
know
you
read
the
ordinance
for
our
commission
and
we
have
a
mission
to
provide
the
city
with
recommendations
we're
doing
that,
we're
going
to
vote
on
them,
so
that
job
is
done.
There's
no
other
rule
specified
in
the
ordinance.
A
C
O
Yeah,
thank
you,
jason
and
and
before
I
give
some
comments
here,
I
just
want
to
give
a
lot
of
credit
and
thanks
to
everybody
that
was
involved
in
this
process
from
the
chairs
to
amber
to
everyone
else,
the
subcommittees,
etc.
I'm
a
big
fan
of
this
process,
I'm
a
big
fan
of
this
report.
I
think,
like
all
reports
and
all
all
plans,
I
think
there's
some
things.
You
know
you
agree,
you
might
agree
with
some
things.
O
You
might
not
agree
with
and
everything
in
between,
but
it
is
a
plan,
it's
important
to
have
the
complete
picture
so
that
everything
can
be
on
the
table
for
the
liberation,
as
the
committees
begin
to
get
to
work.
I
I
want
this
process
to
succeed,
and
so
so
my
comment
that
I'm
about
to
make
is
geared
100
in
the
interest
of
this
work:
continuing
and
not
being
derailed.
O
O
The
word
reparations
the
word
critical
race
theory,
the
world,
the
phrase
1619
project,
okay,
I'm
concerned
that
those
words
could
be
a
problem
when
this
hits
the
floor
of
council
and
I'm
concerned
that
this
could
create
a
very
charged
negative
process.
You
know
process
on
council
floor
and
I
don't
want
to
see
that
happen.
I
don't
want
to
see
the
wonderful
work
that
this
group
has
done
get
derailed,
because
somebody
on
council
says
I
can't
vote
for
a
document
that
has
critical
race
period.
I
can't
vote
for
a
document
that
has
reparations
in
it.
O
I'm
concerned
about
that,
and
I
would
not
be
doing
my
job
as
a
commission
member
on
this
commission.
If
I
didn't
express
that
that
feeling
to
y'all-
and
you
know
on
some
level-
I
I
personally
don't
believe
those
words
are
necessary
for
this
project.
In
other
words,
you
know
critical
race,
critical
race
theory
right.
What
does
that
mean?
O
In
other
words,
you
could
say
critical
race
theory,
but
what
we're
really
talking
about
is
specifics
right.
How
zoning
has
you
know
issues
with
the
way
it
was
structured
in
the
intent
and
there's
a
long
line
of
other
issues.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
just
saying
is:
I'm
concerned
I
feel
compelled
to
express
that
concern.
O
My
concerns
might
be
100
percent
wrong
and,
if
I'm
wrong,
I
want
I
want
to
be
wrong.
I
I
hope
that
this
document,
as
it
stands
right
now,
would
hit
the
floor
of
council
and
receive
unanimous
approval,
and
it
might-
and
I
and
I
don't
know,
but
I'm
concerned,
based
upon
my
gut
feeling
that
that
may
not
be
the
case,
and
I
would
hate
to
see
this
process.
You
know
all
the
great
stuff.
O
O
This
is
purely
strategic
in
nature.
This
is
not
about
whitewashing
or
watering
down
anything.
We
can
have
all
of
what
we
all
mean
by
those
terms
firmly
and
sconced
into
this
document
without
having
those
words
there
to
be
seized
on
by
others.
So
I
just
felt
like
I
had
to
get
off
that
off
my
chest
again.
I
want
this
process
to
succeed.
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
this
effort.
O
I
will
talk
to
people
till
the
day
I
die
about
how
zoning
is
a
racist
institution
and
how
african
americans
were
locked
out
of
you
know:
housing
opportunities
and
wealth,
creating
opportunities,
not
you
know,
in
the
1700s
or
in
the
1800s,
but
in
the
1940s,
50s
and
60s
right
and-
and
that
is
a
you
know,
I'm
with
you
on
that
100
of
the
way.
So
I'm
I'm
blabbering
now,
but
I
felt
like
I
had
to
get
that
off
my
chest.
I
don't
know
what
we
should
do
or
say
about
it.
O
N
So
I
would
say
ross.
I
thank
you
so
much
for
talking
up,
because
I'm
sure
that
we're
going
to
hear
that
a
lot.
But
I
thought
when
we
joined
this
commission
it
was
to
trailblaze
and
when
we
start
to
eliminate
some
of
the
words
that
are
actually
factual,
like
critical
race
theory,
we
are
indeed
whitewashing,
and
so
this
is
a
document.
That's
not
centered
in
the
white
experience
and
it
will
make
you
feel
uncomfortable.
N
But
it's
in
that
uncomfortableness
that
I
hope
that
we
can
move
forward
and
when
we
talk
about
housing
issues
for
people
of
color,
it
did
not
stop
in
1960.
It
is
going
on
in
2021,
and
so
it's
something
that
we
finally
have
to
recognize
here
in
charleston
that
this
is
not
a
pleasurable
number
one
location
for
all
people
that
are
here,
and
so
how
do
we
not
put
that
in
this
document?
Because
we
want
to
compromise
or
make
racists
feel
comfortable?
Just
like
the
government
says
we
do
not
negotiate
with
terrorists.
P
Yeah,
I
think
kim
stated
it
beautifully.
Thank
you
kim,
and
thank
you
also
ross
for
for
raising
that
point,
because
that
is
something
that
we
do
have
to
remember,
to
keep
it
the
forefront
and,
like
kim
said,
we
have
to
look
at
this
opportunity
as
a
learning
experience
for
some,
because
you
know
yeah.
These
words
may
seem
harsh
and
hard,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
real
and
it's
been
harsh
and
hard
for
a
lot
of
us
for
a
long
time.
E
Q
Him
yeah,
I
did,
but
I
mean
there's
really
nothing
that
I
can
say
that
that
that
kim
and
crystal
didn't
articulate
beautifully
there,
I'm
just
one
of
those
people
that,
like
to
know
who's
with
me
and
who's
against
me.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
put
forth
a
whole
lot
of
effort,
time
and
energy,
and
a
lot
of
us
up
like
really
approach
this,
not
necessarily
knowing
whether
this
was
even
gonna
happen,
be
quite
honest
with
you
and
for
ross.
Q
Q
We
have
to
repair
what
the
past
has
caused.
In
the
current
day,
everything
that
you
described
was
critical
race
theory.
At
the
end
of
the
day
right
you,
you
defined
it
you.
What
everything
you
said
is
that
is
critical
race
theory,
so
I
mean
we
can't
be
afraid
of
words.
At
the
end,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
got
to
get
real
and
we
got
to
take
it
head
on,
but
yeah
we
got
to
take
your
head
on
at
the
end
of
the
day.
So
I'll
just
leave
my
comments
there.
Thank
you.
H
Yeah
and
again,
to
everyone's
point
already
beautifully
said:
councilman
appel.
I
do
appreciate
you
kind
of
bringing
it
forward
in
the
conversation
so
that
we
can
go
ahead
and
kind
of
have
some
of
this
set
on
the
record
so
that
everybody
can
know
where
we
stand
on
these
items.
If
it
were
a
matter
of
pure
semantics,
then
yes,
I
can
see
where
we
can
make
a
change
to
some
things
to
make
it.
H
With
that
in
mind,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
aware
of
that,
because
this
document,
as
it
is
already
has
a
great
deal
of
consideration
to
broad
appeal
already
baked
into
it
and
any
any
more
kind
of
bending
or
acquiescing
is
going
to
feel
very
disingenuous
to
the
work
that
we're
trying
to
do
so.
That's
I.
I
want
to
bring
that
forward
so
again,
I
feel
very
much
like
you're
doing
more
of
like
a
devil's
advocate
type
of
thing,
which
is
fine
and
it
would
be.
H
It
would
be
one
thing
if
we
were
looking
for
unanimous
vote,
but
I
don't
think
that
that's
necessarily
something
that's
number
one
for
us.
It'd
be
great
to
have,
but
to
the
point
I
don't
remember
exactly
who
made
it,
but
alvin
made
it
as
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
good
to
know,
sometimes
what
a
vote
shows.
H
G
G
I
I
think
that
at
that
point
in
time,
unless
they've
been
on
this
commission
and
participated
in
in
in
some
of
the
subcommittee
work,
or
at
least
observing
the
subcommittees,
that
a
lot
of
our
colleagues
who
have
not
been
party
to
that
in-depth
understanding
or
appreciation
we'll
be
reading
it
for
the
first
time
and
and
realistically
a
lot
of
us,
don't
you
know
really
soak
into
everything
that
we're
handed
in
our
council
packets
to
read.
I
would
think
that
this
would
be.
G
So
I
I'm
I.
I
really
agree
that
you
know
having
a
vote
will
tell
the
tale,
but
I
I'm
I'm
a
little
worried
that
whatever
the
council
is
asked
to
do,
I
thought
we
were
going
to
receive
the
report
and
immediately
send
it
on
to
the
process,
which
I
think
avoids
a
lot
of
the
the
flash
point.
Words
that
you
know
ross
is
is
rightfully
bringing
up.
G
That
would
break
everyone's
heart
and
I
think
that
after
we
go
through
the
process
of
evaluating
the
recommendations
and
really
working
on
them
for
our
own
edification
and
bringing
in
the
experts
that
you
know,
I'm
trusting
the
council
and
the
new
commission
will
be
relying
upon
to
educate
the
council,
as
well
as
find
people
who
are
going
to
help
us
accomplish
the
recommendations
which
has
been
one
of
my
main
concerns
all
along.
We
need
outside
resources.
We
need
outside
expertise.
G
G
P
And
I
agree,
I
agree
with
you
totally
councilman
councilwoman
jackson.
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
very
reasons
why,
initially
I
will
speak
for
myself.
I
initially
had
a
lot
of
pushback
about
how
we
were
entering
the
process
because
in
doing
racial
equity,
work
is
important
to
make
sure
that
those
involved
or
who
are
part
of
the
decision
making
table
have
some
level
of
understanding
or
knowledge
as
it
pertains
to
racial
equity,
inclusion
and
inclusion.
P
So
I
think
that
was
something
that
we
should
have
looked
at
and
taken
a
little
more
seriously
when
we
started
in
the
fall,
we
should
have
started
out
with
all
of
us,
including
city
council,
having
training.
So
we
understand
these
terms
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
we're
not
miseducated
about
some
of
the
information.
That's
in
the
report
that
are
actually
recommendations
that
are
actually
working
in
other
parts
of
the
country.
I
think
we're
we
worked
against
ourselves
by
not
doing
that.
P
So
I
totally
agree
with
and
hear
hear
your
sentiments,
but
at
the
same
time
we
also-
I
know
we
didn't
want
to
slow
down
the
process
or
felt
like
you
know,
stepping
away
from
a
process
we
already
had
in
place
was
out
of
pocket,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
real
work
and
this
type
of
work,
sometimes
you
have
to
do
that
and
that's
something
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
think
about.
As
we
start
or
you
know,
reopen
the
new
commission
going
forward.
Q
Q
Anybody
any
city
council
member
could
have
attended
those
meetings
to
the
point
where,
if
they
want
to
have
input,
if
they
want
to
get
better
informed,
if
they
wanted
to
contribute
to
the
conversation
the
dog
ball,
they
could
have
so
for
me
personally
when,
whenever
we
go
before
council
to
hear
somebody
say
I
don't
know
what's
in
the
report,
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
the
recommendations
are.
I
need
more
time,
that's
just
an
excuse
to
me
right.
They
could
have
put
forth
the
energy
and
effort
just
like
you
did.
Q
Councilwoman
jackson,
just
like
you
did
councilman
gregory
and
councilman
saccharin
to
be
a
part
of
this
process,
we're
almost
coming
up
on
a
year.
It's
it's
it's
august
now
so,
like
I
said
for
for
me
personally,
I
mean
just
to
hear
somebody
sitting
accountable
and
say
that
I
don't
know
what's
in
it
and
it
has
these
buzzwords
and
things
of
that
nature.
J
Mayor
so,
mr
chairman
and
commissioners,
I
need
to
sign
on
off,
and
I
said,
you're
going
to
approve
these
recommendations
shortly.
I
look
forward
to
receiving
them.
I
have
confidence
that
city
council
will
accept
them
and
I
do
appreciate
ross
bringing
up
his
comments.
I
I
think
that
that
shows
we've
kind
of
grown
as
a
body
to
be
able
to
have
an
open
discussion.
I
think
from
the
beginning.
J
We
all
acknowledge
that
this
work
had
some
uncomfortable
conversations
of
associated
with
it
and
that's
not
going
to
change,
and
so
we
just
have
to
move
forward
and-
and
let
us
follow
the
work
as
we
prescribed
here
tonight
and
do
the
best
we
can-
and
I
I
want
to
thank
you
one
more
time
for
all
the
work
you've
done.
Thank.
C
O
E
E
Besides
what
kim
and
crystal
and
alvin
and
john
and
everyone
else
have
said,
I
really
don't
know
where
else
we
can
go
with
this,
because
we
we
we
came
into
this
intentionally,
trying
to
dismantle
systemic
racism
within
the
city
of
charleston.
We
have
to
do
that.
I
mean,
if
you
all,
don't
accept
it
that
we
just
find
another
way
to
do
it,
but
this
has
to
be
done.
It's
been
way
too
long,
and
I
I
irritated
I'm
really
in
we.
K
I
just
I
mean
you
know:
the
city
council
voted
for
this
commission
to
come
forward
and
to
do
this
work
and
to
make
these
recommendations,
and
now
we
have
these
recommendations
and
they
are
in
this
report,
and
everybody
has
worked
very
hard
on
those.
We
always
knew
that
every
recommendation
would
not
go
through
to
a
subcommittee
or
would
not
happen.
We
knew
that,
but
for
city
council
to
not
acknowledge
hard
work
and
to
accept
our
recommendations,
even
if
they
don't
agree
with
everyone
does
feel
a
bit
like
a
slap
in
the
face.
K
So
I
guess
I'm
a
little
con,
I'm
a
little.
Maybe
I
don't
understand
the
process,
but
accepting
our
report
is
like
accepting
our
work,
but
it
doesn't
mean
every
single
recommendation
in
there
will
move
forward
to
a
special
committee
or
is
accepting
our
work.
It's
accepting
what
this
group
came
up
with.
Is
that
not
correct?
I
mean
I
guess
that's
where
I'm
getting
a
little
confused.
B
You're,
absolutely
correct,
and
and
and
if
we
have
council
members
who
don't
want
to
accept
the
work
as
long
as
we've
got
seven
votes,
we've
got
six
commissioners
who
are
council
members
and
the
mayor,
okay,
and
and
and
and
for
me,
when
we
did
the
apology
we
went
in
knowing
we
weren't
going
to
get
a
unanimous
vote.
We
knew
it,
we
knew
it,
but
we
needed
seven.
B
B
If
we
don't
do
our
job
as
commissioners,
six
council
members
who
are
commissioners,
then
then
then
we
fail,
but
I'm
hoping
that
we're
going
to
the
table
with
seven
votes
already
and
it's
up
to
the
rest
of
the
council
members
to
go
beyond
the
seventh.
All
I
think
we
need
is
seven
and
I
think
we
got
our
seven.
C
N
Thank
you
ross
for
taking
us.
I
think
you've
given
us
great
fodder
to
to
have
a
deeper
conversation,
but
I
do
want
to
put
two
questions
on
the
table
following
up
with
councilman,
william
one.
How
do
we
define
success
as
a
commission?
That's
dissolving
and
two?
What
are
we
willing
to
sacrifice
in
order
to
see
it
happen?
N
I
think
those
are
two
very
important
questions
to
have
already
start
reflecting
on
in
your
in
your
mind,
because
I'm
not
sure
that
things
will
play
out
exactly
how
we
think
they
will,
or
it
won't
feel
as
automatic
as
we
think
it
will
just
given
the
history
of
our
council.
So
again,
how
do
you
define
success
for
this
commission
and
two?
L
L
L
L
On
this
vote-
and
I
said,
listen,
what
good
is
an
apology
without
action
steps
after
400
years?
Well,
some
african-americans
in
particular
agree
with
that,
and
there
were
some
that
didn't
they.
They
thought
I
was
man.
I
was
from
another
planet
because
I
didn't
apologize
for
slavery,
there's
a
couple
of
reasons:
no,
the
primary
reason:
no
action
step.
The
second
reason
was
my
ancestors
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
implementation
of
the
laws
of
sleep.
L
L
L
L
I
wish
I
could
put
an
amplified
down
his
throat
because
more
people
need
to
hear
that
wealth
can
be
created
with
zoning
and
wealth
can
be
taken
away
with
zone
and
you
and
you're
right,
I
think,
kim.
I
think
you
say
it
still
goes
on
to
the
day
and
I
I
I'm
not
speaking
for
ross.
Believe
me
he
can
speak
very
well
for
himself,
but
when
he
cut
it
off
the
1940s
and
50s
I
I
really
do
believe
he
intended
to
come
up
to
2021.
L
L
There's
six
people
who
are
elected
six
members
of
council
believe
that
the
mayor
is
a
member
of
council
13
votes
on
council,
and
if
you
mean
to
tell
me
of
the
six
of
us,
we
can't
get
one
additional
person
to
come
and
vote
to
attain
a
majority.
To
do
this.
Shame
on
all
six
of
us.
Okay,
shame
on
all
six
of
us,
because
this
committee,
you
all
have
that
action,
steps
that
I
I
kind
of
beat
dudley
up
on.
With
the
I
mean.
L
L
I've
already
gotten
a
call
okay,
but
even
that
council
members-
and
it
was
about
some
of
the
terminology-
is
willing
to
talk,
and
you
know
what
he
and
I
and
ross
and
and
jason
and
dudley
we're
going
to
be
talking
with
those.
So
you
mean
to
tell
me
we
can't
go
out
and
get
one
more
additional.
I
was,
I
would
seem
to
think
we
would
get
more
than
that,
but
it
is
because
of
the
action
steps
that
you
all
have
put
into
this.
L
That
made
me
realize
if
you
all
didn't
serve,
you
know
for
lisa.
If
you
didn't
serve
kim
or
crystal
or
tracy
or
I'm
not
gonna
put
the
elected
people
on
there,
all
the
people,
even
on
the
subcommittees,
alvin
you
you
wasn't
in
there
john.
This
report
wouldn't
be
as
comprehensive
as
it
is,
because,
frankly,
council
wouldn't
have
done
that
council
doesn't
have
the
ability
that
you
don't
have
so
yeah.
Now
our
work
is
to
go
back
and
get
to
get
this
done
and
yeah
there's
some
questions.
L
L
O
L
Scared
about
losing
a
seat
will
probably
lose
it.
So
thank
you
for
what
you've
done.
I'm
gonna
get
out
there
and
work
for
passage
on
this
thing,
and
you
all
have
made
me
proud,
because
I
told
dudley
and
he's
right
there
who
witnessed
it.
I
said
man,
this
ain't,
nothing
but
politics,
a
big
show
to
check
off
on
a
political
campaign,
but
the
people
that
were
added
to
this
committee,
you
all
are
the
one
that
actually
did
what
council
didn't
have
the
guts
to
do
with
its
apology.
L
A
Yes,
I'll
be
brief,
because
I
I
see
the
time
and
really
just
to
tracy's
last
point
as
I
was
listening
to
everyone
talk.
Firstly,
thank
I
would
like
to
thank
everyone
for
for
their
comments
from
councilman
appel
to
john
and
darren
and
crystal
kim
tracy
councilwoman
jackson
alvin.
Thank
you
all
for
for
your
comments
and
also,
lastly,
councilman
waring.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
just
really
just
need
clarity,
one
more
time
on
the
process,
so
councilman
saccharin.
A
Could
you
please
go
over
the
process,
so
we
understand
exactly
what
we're
voting
for
we.
We
are
voting
for
fill
that
in
for
me
tonight
then,
after
we
vote
for
that.
The
next
step
is
this
this
that,
and
that
will
help.
I
think
me
be
able
to
make
the
decision
about
how
to
how
to
move
forward.
With,
with
with
my
support
of
this
particular
process,.
C
There
was
a
a
press
release
sent
out
today
with
three
points
that
I'll
reiterate
right
now
so
based
on
tonight's
vote,
to
approve
this
report,
we're
sending
it
to
the
mayor
and
city
council
and,
I
think,
amber
correct
if
I'm
wrong,
that's
planned
for
the
august
17th
city
council,
correct
all
right,
so
we're
all
good
on
that.
This
report,
if
we
vote
on
it
tonight,
will
be
forwarded
and
sent
to
city
council
to
receive
that
report.
C
So
my
understanding
is,
we
will
have
a
vote
at
that
council
meeting
meeting
to
receive
the
report
once
the
report
is
received
at
that
point
with
amber's
health,
my
help
and
dudley's
up
we're
basically
going
to
divide
the
recommendations
and
send
them
to
the
appropriate
sub
standing
sub
standing
committees
of
council.
So
if
it's
a
zoning
or
a
housing
issue,
we
are
going
to
send
it
to
community
development.
C
C
Once
they
are
in
the
standing
committees,
I
think
at
that
point
to
jerry's
point
earlier.
That's
the
time
perhaps
we
have
some
public
discussion,
bring
some
outsiders
into
those
standing
committees
to
testify.
Maybe
folks
that
came
to
to
some
of
your
subcommittees
council
and
those
subcommittees
will
then
decide
which
ones
actually
move
forward
to
a
process
where
we
take
it
to
full
council.
That's
my
understanding,
not
every
one
of
these
recommendations
will
make
it
to
full
council.
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
to
everybody.
We
have
to
decide
some
of
the
recommendations.
C
I've
read
to
be
quite
honest,
aren't
even
in
the
germane
and
relevant
to
to
city
council
power,
so
some
of
them
we
might
have
to
advocate
or
or
do
something
at
the
state
level.
But
I
think
the
point
is
that
we're
going
to
go
through
all
those
prioritize,
those
recommendations,
divvy
them
up
to
the
appropriate
standing
committees
and
at
that
point
figure
out
which
one
of
those
recommendations
will
make
it
to
council
for
vote
and
action.
C
Additionally
to
that
amber
is
going
to
be
working
with
internally,
with
some
of
some
of
our
staff.
We're
going
to
have
iteration
number
two
of
the
commission,
which
will
help
push
the
work
forward,
and
certainly
I'm
not
going
anywhere.
We
talked
about
election
election
year
in
politics,
I'm
here
I'm
going
to
be
dedicated
to
this
work
until
they
tell
me
to
leave
so
I'm
here
for
as
long
as
I
can
be,
I'm
I'm
the
police.
That
answer
your
question,
dr
knight.
A
That
is
extremely
helpful.
Now,
just
the
final
follow-up
question
is
so
councilman
appel.
Your
concern
is
with
whether
this
report
will
be
received
by
council
there'll
be
enough
votes
for
it
to
actually
be
received
at
the
august
17th
meeting.
That
was
the
point
you
were
bringing
up.
Am
I
correct
on
that?
A
C
So
before
I
call
the
question,
I
just
wanted
to
summarize
basically
some
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
and
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
from
where
we've
come
a
year
ago
to
where
we
are
today,
you
know
we
could
look
at
councilman
appels
comments
in
one
way
or
we
can
look
in
another
way.
I
look
at
them
as
being
truthfully
and
honest
and
thinking
about
the
long-term
effect
and
long-term
success
of
our
commission
so
ross.
I
must
acknowledge
that
those
comments
to
me
are
helpful.
C
If
someone
wants
to
take
them
the
wrong
way,
they
can,
but
I
think,
as
being
a
diverse
team
with
contrasting
viewpoints.
I
think
we
need
folks
at
the
table
that
provide
that
insight.
So
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
I
realized
to
alvin's
point
timing.
You
know
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
year.
Perhaps
that
should
have
been
brought
up
a
few
months
ago,
but
anyone
listening
to
this
call
tonight
this
is
real.
This
is
real.
C
Like
I'm
sorry,
I've
been
on
council
for
a
year
and
a
half
almost
two
years,
and
typically
we
are
afraid
that
the
public
is
listening.
We
we
have
side
conversations
tonight
was
a
real
conversation
for
anyone
listening.
This
is
how
things
get
done
and
make
it
may
make
you
feel
uncomfortable
for
those
listening,
but
I
want
to
say
that
this
is
how
progress
is
made
and
I'm
honored
to
be
a
part
of
the
process
so
ross.
Thank
you
for
for
your
comments.
C
A
B
G
Timing
on
the
report
has
to
be.
It
has
to
be
in
the
clerk
of
council's
hands
on
tuesday
next
week
at
the
very
latest.
They
set
the
agenda
and
they
create
the
packets
on
the
tuesday
before
the
following
week.
So
if
photos
and
anything
else
that
you
want
to
change
in
terms
of
scheduling
your
recommendations
to
have
appropriate
start
dates,
and
all
of
that
that
has
to
be
done
tomorrow
and
friday.
C
No
and-
and
there
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
substantive
changes,
a
lot
of
this
was,
I
think,
we're
in
a
good
place.
So
the
motion
I'm
going
to
make
tonight
is
so.
Can
I
hear
a
motion
to
from
this
commission
forward
the
final
recommendations
with
the
amended,
as
we
discussed
tonight
to
the
council
for
our
august
17th
2021
meeting?
Can
I
hear.
F
C
C
L
Q
H
D
Q
E
F
M
B
M
A
B
B
B
How
do
we
do
this
before
because
we
want
to
put
that
on
the
agenda
for
first
reading,
so
somehow
we
may
have
to
either
convene
quickly
or
something
because
I
agree
with
you,
I
wouldn't
vote
on
anything
I
haven't
seen
either
in
the
language.
So
why
don't
we
get
it,
get
it
to
all
the
commissioners
okay
today
and
then
maybe
I
don't
know
procedurally
velvet
procedurally
how
we
would
be
able
to
do
that.
D
Yes,
so
amber
if
you
can
get
back
with
me
on
monday,
the
deadline
for
agenda
items
is
monday
at
ten
o'clock
and
we
have
our
staff
meeting
at
three
o'clock.
You
can
make
changes
and
the
final
drives
will
need
to
be
submitted
by
tuesday
before
10
a.m.
We'll
have
the
mayor's
meeting
now
the
agenda
will
be
finalized.
B
G
G
B
G
G
You
can
report
that
this
group
that
this
commission
made
a
clear
recommendation
to
continue
a
permanent
commission
on
behalf
of
the
city,
so
they
don't
have
to
take
a
vote
to
support
the
ordinance
they
they
are
the
initiators
of
why
we
haven't.
Why
we're,
where
we're
giving
audience
to
an
ordinance.
B
B
B
B
At
the
same
time,
if
you're
following
me,
if
we,
if
we
get
all
of
your
comments,
etcetera,
etcetera
in
is
carol
articulated,
those
amendments
could
be
addressed.
Okay,
accordingly,
okay
and
then
we
council
vote
and
the
commission
still
exists,
but
in
a
different
form,
which
we've
got
to
pull
together.