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Commission on Equity, Inclusion and Racial Conciliation 2/10/2021
B
C
A
B
E
A
Oh
awesome,
thanks
velvet,
wherever
you
are
there,
you
are
well.
I
just
want
to
call
this
special
commission
on
equity
inclusion,
racial
conciliation
for
february
10th.
To
order
can
I
get
a
motion
to
our
prove
our
our
minutes
and
if
we
have
to
reapprove
our
minutes,
we
can
take
a
moment
of
silence,
but
can
we
get
a
motion
to
approve
our
minutes
for.
A
All
right,
thank
you
with
that.
The
minutes
are
approved
just
want
to
take
a
few
minutes
to.
I
don't
have
anything
special
to
say,
but
I
think
just
a
couple
couple
seconds
to
reflect
on
our
day
and
and
the
work
that
we're
doing
tonight.
So
we
just
bow
our
heads
for
30.
A
A
A
Some
awesome
awesome.
I
just
want
to
welcome
you
all
to
to
our
commission
meeting.
If
you
see
the
agenda
in
front
of
you,
the
goal
tonight
really
is
to
get
up
to
number
five
as
quick
as
possible.
A
We
really
want
to
dig
into
some
of
the
discussion
around
the
interim
reports,
particularly
on
housing
and
mobility
and
criminal
justice
reform,
and
just
to
preface
we
will
get
to
the
other
subcommittees
at
fault.
At
upcoming
meetings
we
just
felt
like
it
was
important
to
really
dig
into
two
at
a
time
and
really
hear
from
you
all
and
have
a
robust
and
honest
discussion,
but
before
we
do
that,
I
I
want
to
acknowledge
to
two
folks
one
amber
who's.
Obviously,
you
all
know
recently
made
a
change
with
amber's
direct
supervision.
A
She
is
now
reporting
directly
to
the
mayor.
That
was
something
that
we've
talked
about.
We
think
it's
a
great
move
and
I
just
want
to
congratulate
amber,
and
she
knows
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
why
that's
important,
but
we
all
know
amber
deserves
it,
and
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
amber
for
everything
you're
doing
and
congratulations.
A
And
in
the
same
breath
velvet
if
you're
on
somewhere,
she
was
also
recently
promoted
and
appointed
as
the
assistant
clerk
of
council
so
velvet.
If
you
want
to
unmute
yourself
and
if
you
want
to
say
anything,
we
appreciate
all
you've
done,
particularly
on
the
commission
here.
So
thank
you.
Velvet.
A
And
then
basically
just
want
to
go
into
the
group
norms,
and
it's
really
just
a
reminder
about
our
our
meetings
I
felt
like
last
meeting
we
had
was
was
was
well
well
run.
I
feel
like
it
was
timely
folks
that
did
have
questions
I
tried
to
get
to
folks
in
in
a
respectful,
timely
manner.
I
just
want
to
remind
us
for
our
our
meetings
is
to
continue
the
respectful
conversation,
honest
and
courageous
as
well.
You
know
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
pick,
I'm
gonna
pick
on
dr
knight.
A
You
know
the
last
meeting
we
had
she.
She
raised
some
concerns
and
those
concerns
were
validated
by
many
on
on
the
team
here
on
the
commission.
So
if
it
wasn't
for
her
courageous
and
honest
conversation,
we
wouldn't
have
got
to
where
we
were
at
the
last
meeting.
So
thanks
felice
and
thanks,
let's
keep
the
the
courageous
conversations
going.
A
G
And
thanks
for
everyone's
continued
work
on
this,
and
I
read
the
reports
and
so
glad
to
have
those
in
hand
and
let's
let's
talk
about
them.
A
Awesome
we
were
getting
there
yep
last
piece
we
just
wanted
to
mention.
Was
the
kellogg
grant
update
for
you
all?
We
had.
We
had
spoken
with
everyone
before
about
us
applying
for
that
grant
taking
the
lead.
After
you
know,
internal
conversations
and
and
and
some
contemplation
with
some
of
our
community
partners,
the
yws
ywca
is
taking
the
lead
on
that
grant,
but
we
are
working
very
closely
with
them
on
getting
that
submitted
and
also
you
know
in
full
transparency.
A
The
work
that
we're
doing
on
the
commission
will
be
involved
in
and
kind
of
integrated
into
into
their
grant
application
amber
and
sarah
fisher
who's.
Our
grant
writer
for
the
for
the
for
the
city
are
working
closely
with
them
amber.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
just
give
a
quick
highlight-
maybe
you
know
10
or
15
seconds
about
where
we're
headed
with
that
grant,
but
we
are
not
the
the
lead,
we're
we
are
partnering
with
the
y
iwc
and
that
on
that
collar
grant.
At
this
point,.
B
We're
just
really
hopeful
that,
through
this
grant
application,
some
of
the
work
from
the
commission
can
be
funded
through
that
through
their
work.
We
want
to
be
the
policy
arm
for
the
work
that
they're
doing
so.
The
y
is
going
to
lead
in
the
training.
B
There's
an
education
portion,
there's
some
community
engagement
and
advocacy
so
we'll
be
the
policy
part
of
the
the
mechanism
that
they're
creating
as
a
group.
C
Yeah,
I
was
just
wondering
I'm
assuming
that
at
some
point,
we'll
have
a
strategic
session
with
with
the
y
and
sort
of
see
how
all
the
pieces
fit
together.
Is
that
can
that
happen
before
the
grant
is
submitted
or
what's
the
writing
process?
Looking
like.
A
A
D
But
I
I
think,
carol's
question
is
a
little
deeper
than
that.
I
mean
carol,
we
I
agree
with
you
carol.
We
need
to
see
the
entire
package
and
and
and
review
it
and
have
input
and
recommendations
and
and
sort
of
determine
how
we
fit
in
to
the
whole
scheme
of
things.
I
think
that's
what
we
were
talking
about.
C
Yeah,
and
actually
even
more
than
that
I
mean
I
I
think,
we've
got
an
amazing
group
of
collaborators
based
on
how
this
is
now
turned
out
and
I
do
feel
like
you
know,
we're
we
need
to
be
supporting
each
other
and
encouraging
each
other
and
you
know
figuring
out
the
inner
wovenness
of
our
of
our
goals.
So
I
I
think
it's
very
exciting,
but
I
wouldn't
want
to
have
to
just
hear
about
it.
You
know,
as
this
group
and
then
the
why
and
then
cradles
her
career.
A
I
I
certainly
agree
when
I
did
with
them.
I
impress
upon
on
folks
that
I
know
on
that
that
side
at
the
y,
with
latisha
von
brandon
and
audrey,
that
you
know
certainly
the
work
that
we're
doing
on
the
commission
in
the
city
have
to
be
involved,
and
I
think
that
they
have
every
intention
of
involving
us,
but
I
think
to
amber's
point
from
the
grand
application
in
the
initial
concept.
I
see
a
lot
of
advocacy.
A
I
see
a
lot
of
education,
but
then
I
see
where
rubber
meets
the
road
on
the
policy
side
and
I
think
that's
where
they're
directing
their
attention
towards
us
and
what
kind
of
involvement
we
can
have.
So
I
do
think
the
commission's
recommendations
will
play
pretty
well
and
also
be
integrated
into
into
the
grant
application.
But
I
think
I
think
it's
pretty
fluid.
I
think
they're
in
a
rush
to
get
the
grant
application
submitted,
because
I
do
believe
amber
it's
due
in
a
week.
The
initial
application.
A
Right
so
we'll
do
our
best
to
get
that
information
to
you,
but
I
also
want
to
just
preface
to
to
you
know
to
the
commission
that
this
is
not
the
only
grant
grant
grant
out
there
on
you
know
out
in
the
world
I
mean
there's
going
to
be
other
grant
opportunities
for
us
to
to
apply
for
ones
where
we
will
take
the
lead
on
that.
But
I
think
this
is
probably
a
good
go
around
to
see
how
our
partnership
works
with
them.
A
A
Certainly
the
mayor
myself
amber
and
dudley
and
mike
read
through
them.
We've
got
some
thoughts
on
on
them.
We
appreciate
you
all
getting
that
stuff
to
us.
One
of
the
the
key
takeaways
before
we
get
into
the
two
subcommittees
was
the
template.
We
did
have
a
discussion
a
few
weeks
back
on
the
template
and
and
how
onerous
it
was.
A
I
I
will
say,
as
the
council
member
you
know,
reading
the
recommendations
as
it
was
difficult
for
me
to
take
one
set
of
recommendations
from
one
subcommittee
and
think
about
how
that
would
look
on
city
council
and
how
we
could
push
some
of
that
through
legislatively
and
then
looking
at
another
subcommittee.
So
I
am
saying
that
I
do
think
we
should
have
a
template.
A
That's
used
by
all
subcommittees
for
final
submissions,
and
I
know
you
all
had
pushed
back
a
little
bit
on
the
template
itself
being
a
little
bit
too
too
much
or
too
requiring
too
much
detail
and
I'm
happy
to
have
that
discussion
and
so
is
dudley
and
amber.
But
I
do
think
it's
important
that
we
have
one
single
template
that
we
agree
on
for
final
submissions.
It's
just
much
easier
to
read
it's
much
easier
to
take
words
and
put
them
into
actions
on
council.
So
I
know
felice
you
had
you
had
talked
about.
A
The
template.
Is
everyone
in
agreement
that
a
consistent
template
would
be
helpful?
Maybe
we
tweaked
the
original
template,
but
do
we
all
agree
that
a
consistent
template
is
going
to
be
helpful
for
final
recommendations.
F
Yes,
this
is
felice,
it
absolutely
is
necessary.
In
fact,
I
was
you
know
looking
over
some
of
the
recommendations
and
it
is
dramatically
different.
The
way
in
which
each
subcommittee
presented
their
recommendations
and
it's
only
different,
because
we
all
come
from
different
professional
backgrounds.
Those
of
us
in
who
are
primarily
academicians
and
educators.
F
We
love
charts,
so
we're
going
to
give
you
charts
with
a
bunch
of
words
and
not
a
whole
lot
of
pictures
or
anything
or
lots
of
explanation,
because
we're
expecting
you
to
ask
us
well
what
did
you
mean
by
that?
F
And
then
we
can
give
you
all
of
the
glorious
details,
but
clearly
that's
not
wieldy
for
the
kind
of
work
that
for
that
kind
of
quick
read
not
that
it's
a
quick
read
without
you
know,
paying
attention
to
details,
but
the
kind
of
quick
read
that's
necessary
for
government
work,
so
that
is
indeed
as
you're,
saying,
councilman
sacrament
why
we
did
specifically
ask
for
a
template
before
this
work
began
and
because
we
wanted
to
know
what
you
all
needed
as
policy
makers.
F
So
I
would
like
to
throw
it
back
to
the
co-chairs
to
tell
us
what
the
template
should
be,
so
that
is,
that
is
best
for
city
government.
I
do
think
that
the
one
that
we
were
provided
is
still
it's
not
that
it's
unwieldy,
but
it
requires
information
that
we're
not
privy
to
in
every
single
subcommittee.
F
So
if
it
can
be
tweaked
in
such
a
way
that
the
extraneous
portions
that
would
be
better
filled
out
by
city
government
staff
is
left
out,
fine,
but
or
if
those
parts
need
to
be
in
there,
then
you
all
need
to
be
very
specific
about
telling
us
which
city
staff
members
we
need
to
connect
with
to
get
that
material
filled
out
appropriately.
D
Yeah,
I
agree
with
you
felice,
but
just
bear
bear
with
us
a
bit
and
for
consistency.
Let's
use
the
template
that
we
sent
those
areas
that
you
cannot
fill
out.
Just
don't
fill
them
out.
Okay,
just
leave
them
blank
and
what
because
it
it
will
be
a
working
document
and
as
a
result
of
it
being
a
working
document,
we
would
do
exactly
what
you're
suggesting
suggesting
who,
where
is
the
appropriate
place
within
the
city
that
can
fill
in
those
blanks
for
us.
D
So
if
you
just
bear
with
us
for
a
while,
because
we're
going
to
be
using
that
that
template,
not
just
for
the
city
but
as
we
move
forward
into
other
areas.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
elements
that
they
would
like
to
see.
D
So
we're
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
all
get
used
to
the
format
and
where
there
are
holes
in
them,
leave
it
up
to
the
entire
commission
actually,
as
well
as
a
city
to
fill
in
the
blanks.
F
Okay,
councilman
gregory.
That
sounds
great.
The
only
thing
I
would
request
is
that
amber.
Could
you
please
send
the
specific
template?
We
had
three
versions
that
were
sent
to
us
initially,
so
just
give
us
the
one
that
needs
to
be
used
and
as
we
move
forward,
we
will
follow
that.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
So
what
we'll
do
I
guess?
What
we'll
do
is
we'll
make
sure
we
circulate
the
one
template
out
to
the
commissioners
coming
out
of
tonight's
meeting
to
make
sure
you
all
have
it
and
to
dudley's
point.
You
know,
use
that
template
fill
in
what
you
can.
If
it
doesn't
pertain
it's
not
relevant.
You
can
skip
that
portion.
I
think
it's
gonna
be
much
helpful
for
us
to
have
that
consistent
template.
I
Felice
answered
it,
I
thought
there
were
different
templates
as
well.
Okay,.
A
We
got
you,
okay
with
that.
I
think
we
can
transition
to
kind
of
the
meat
of
the
meeting.
We
could
start
with
criminal
justice
reform
jerry
you're
on
the
point
was
we
got
about
15
minutes
to
dig
into
this
and
we
really
encouraged
the
discussion
between
commissioners
and
and
with
jerry,
so
sure,
if
you
want
to
just
kind
of
report
out
some
of
your
recommendations,
I
think
we
start.
J
Sure
I
we
started
with
providing
observations.
J
I
would
much
we
would
much
prefer
to
be
calling
them
findings,
but
because
in
many
cases
we
didn't
have
the
data
to
convert
it
to
findings,
we
chose
to
term
them
observations,
so
the
first
one
I
think
the
90-day
question
we've
already
addressed
specifically
for
us
because
of
the
breadth
of
the
work
associated
with
responding
to
the
police
audit.
J
The
suggestion
that
we're
making
that
we
do
a
similar
audit
of
the
courts,
because
the
criminal
justice
system
is
not
just
the
police
and
if
you're
reforming
criminal
justice,
you
need
to
have
that
take
a
complete,
a
complete
look
in
order
to
make
those
those
those
adjustments.
J
So,
in
addition
to
that,
on
a
couple
of
occasions,
we've
talked
with
amber
about
the
government
alliance,
racial
equity
toolkit,
and
that
is
a
a
tool,
but
also
the
alliance
is
a
network
of
municipalities
that
are
doing
work
in
this
particular
area
and
it's
my
understanding
that
the
amber
and
staff
would
like
to
see.
Charleston
become
an
active
participant
in
that.
So
we
would
endorse
that.
J
At
the
time
that
we
were
asked
to
submit
the
report.
So
since
that's
the
substantial
portion
of
the
work
that
we
were
supposed
to,
do,
we
received
that
last
week
and
are
taking
that
up
and
we'll
have
more
specific
recommendations
in
that
area.
We
looked
at
the
work,
our
charge
and
the
work
of
other
subcommittees,
and
so
that
we
were
that
there
were
intersections.
J
I
dropped
into
the
internal
review
work
group
and
we
talked
about
the
intersection
about
policies
regarding
training
and
recruitment
across
the
entire
city
that
impact
police
department,
as
well
as
the
the
courts
and
economic
development
and
and
mobility
and
housing
and
mobility.
We
we
noted
that
in
our
charge
it
was
a
question
of
addressing
the
re-entry
population
in
neither
of
those
reports
were
there
specific.
J
While
they
talked
about
employment
opportunities,
they
talked
about
housing
and
affordable
housing
and
special
populations
that
were
not
specific
references
to
the
re-entering
population
and
the
special
kind
of
concerns
that
they
have
in
the
area
of
youth
and
education.
J
The
initiatives
that
the
police
department
on
in
that
are
recommended
in
the
racial
bias
audit
there's
an
obvious
opportunity
there
for
for
intersection
and
we're
hoping
to
see.
J
Some
of
that
and
our
report
analysis,
the
preliminary
analysis
of
city
council
ordinances
was
attached
and
there
are
a
number
of
areas
where
we
think
the
ordinances
may
be
archaic,
perhaps
too
vague
and
need
to
be
addressed
in
other
areas.
There
were
ordinances
areas
that
were
not
addressed
that
we
believe
might
help
clarify
situations
and
reduce
the
possibility
of
racial
bias.
J
Specific
recommendations
made
one
extension
at
a
time
is
clear
consideration
of
the
racial
equity
tool.
We
are
in
the
recommended.
You
re-pursue
the
kellogg
2030,
with
the
notion
that
the
work
this
commission
would
do
would
definitely
generate
enough
money.
At
least
the
million-dollar
planning
grant
would
help
us
get
through
the
work
that
we
needed
to
do
and
that
the
city
council
also
undertake
a
review
and
consider
updating
the
mission,
guidelines
and
procedures
of
cpac
the
citizens
police
advisory
committee,
which
is
a
critical
entity.
A
A
Here
jerome's,
I
guess:
can
you
pick
one
jerome
that
that
you
feel
as
though
you
know
if,
if
we
had
a
low-hanging
fruit
or
something
that
that
we
could
accomplish
over
the
next,
you
know
month
or
two
months
on
council,
which
one
would
it
be.
J
To
the
extent
that
there
is
a
focus
effort
in
the
area
of
affordable
housing
and
discussion
being
made
of
you
know,
carve
outs
and
taking
into
account
special
populations,
whether
they
be
people
with
disabilities
or
senior
population.
What
have
you
I
would
consider
or
recommend
that
we
include
a
provisions
or
considerations
in
terms
of
re-entering
the
re-entering
population?
Similarly,
as
we
talk
about
enhancing
opportunities
and
access
to
transportation,
if
there
are
anything
happening
in
those
areas,
that
could
be
special
considerations.
J
Tag
along
with
improvements
that
we're
trying
to
make
to
the
general
population
but
recognize
the
special
considerations
and
needs
of
the
re-entering
population
on
those
are
kind
of
things.
Just
come
to
mind
right
off
the
top
of
my
head.
H
C
Because
I
appreciate
having
sat
in
on
a
lot
of
the
committee
meetings,
the
low-hanging
fruit
question-
I
think
it's
it's
not
necessarily
a
cross-cutting,
although
everything
everything
we
would
do
with
criminal
justice
reform
would
impact
that
the
disparities
that
you
know
we're
all
identifying.
C
But
it
seems
to
me
that
the
ordinance
committee
has
really
you
know,
picked
on
some
long-standing
laws
that
the
city
council
has
in
our
power
to
change,
and
I
I
think
that's
something
that
we
should
volunteer
to
do
as
a
seated
body
to
to
work
on
the
ordinances
with
our
legal
counsel's
office
and
make
that
low-hanging
fruit.
J
Yes,
in
the
in
the
report,
there
is
a
list
of
those
that
are
really
recommended
to
be
reviewed,
as
well
as
potential
areas
for
adding
ordinances
where
there's
not
currently,
language.
D
Yeah
jerome
go
back
to
some
other
things.
D
We
discussed
what
about
partnering
with
other
organizations
that
are
involved
in
what
we're
doing
okay,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
banning
the
box
bonding
and
how
bonding
affects
certain
populations
differently
than
others,
and
I
know
that
there
is
already
a
movement
of
fit
fit
to
try
to
do
some
of
that,
and
whether
or
not
the
commission
in
some
form
or
fashion,
can
support
those
kinds
of
endeavors
that
may
be
either
county
our
state
and
perhaps
the
way
the
city
may
be
able
to
get
into
it
is
through
a
resolution
or
something
of
support
in
some
way.
D
So
I'm
just
looking
in
terms
of
low-hanging
fruit.
You
know
there
are
things
that
we
don't
have
jurisdiction
over
as
a
city,
but
there
are
other
organizations
tri-county
and
statewide
that
are
doing
things
in
criminal
justice
reform
that
perhaps
we
can
either
partner
with
okay
our
support
in
some
way
as
a
city.
J
Yeah
I
wanted
one
of
the
I
I
agree
with
that,
and
what
we
were
trying
to
focus
on
were
things
that
were
in
the
immediate
control
and
we'll
identify
those
things
that
are.
You
know
broader
policy
things,
but
another
example.
J
That's
something
that
the
city
you
know
has
skin
in
the
game
and
in
terms
of
who
gets
the
franchises,
who
gets
the
space
and
who
gets
hired
by
those
folks,
that's
something
that
could
be
exciting
as
part
of
the
opening
of
the
museum
in
in
2022.
G
G
Jerome
you,
you
mentioned
the
municipal
court
system
and
you're
absolutely
right.
It's
a
a
vital
component
of
the
overall
system.
Of
course,
we
only
handle
basically
minor
offenses
at
city
level
and
bigger
offenses,
go
up
to
general
sessions,
court
and
bigger
courts
and
I'll
admit
to
you
when
we
did
the
racial
bias
audit
a
couple
of
years
ago,
I
I
wasn't
really
hearing
any
complaints
as
it
were
about
our
municipal
court.
G
So
maybe
I
just
wasn't
hearing
them
and-
and
I
have
asked
our
court
manager
to
report
to
me
now
weekly,
but
to
tell
you
the
truth,
she's
just
given
me
the
number
of
cases
and
how
many
are
disposed
and
just
kind
of
moving
things
through
the
court
just
production
more
than
anything
else.
So
are
you
aware
of
some?
G
J
So
so
mayor
we
did
get
some
data
from
the
courts
and
one
of
the
areas
that
we
were
looking
at
were
the
number
of
cases
that
were
decided
without
the
individual
charge
being
there
in
a
number
of
cases
where
folks
were
unrepresented,
and
we
believe
that
you
know
we
just
had
a
quick
skim
in
the
data
we
looked
at
one
year.
That's
an
area
perhaps
where
there
is,
in
fact
racial
bias
and
being
impacted.
J
J
If
I,
if
I
have
a
violator
or
I
have
a
court
date,
how
do
you
make
sure
that,
if
I'm
homeless
or
if
I
am
transient
that
I
know
that
I'm
going
to
be
have
to
be
in
court
in
a
particular
day?
What
is
our
mechanism
to
make
sure?
You
know
that
we're
communicating
that
and
not
simply
saying
well,
look
we
sent
the
letter
to
the
last
known
address.
They
didn't
show
up,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
make
a
decision.
G
D
J
Yeah,
that's
one
of
that's
one
of
that's
one
of
the
suggestions.
If
you,
if
you
haven't
taken
a
look
at
the
two-page
kind
of
approach,
analysis
that
was
laid
out
by
the
committee,
it
identifies
the
things
that
they
think
need
to
be
looked
at,
identifies
the
data
that
we
think
that
we
might
need
in
a
process
for
going
about
completing
that
priority.
J
I
would
also
say
that,
in
as
a
commercial
with
meeting
with
the
internal
review
committee
darren,
I
I
know
that
they're
talking
about
perhaps
racial
bias
audits
or
of
across
other
units,
and
I
would
suggest
that,
if
that
is
to
be
done,
that
the
courts
be
given
priority
in
that
regard.
Since
we
made
such
a
large
investment
on
the
police
side
during
the
courts
would
kind
of
close
the
loop
to
make
certain
that
we're
getting
return.
Maximum
return
on
our
investment.
A
Carol,
I
think
you
had
your
hand
up.
I.
C
I
just
wanted
to
interject
that
that
there
was
a
the
two
page
report
that
judge
mcfarlane
led
his
task
force
to
do,
but
it
came
out
a
little
behind
the
rest
of
the
criminal
justice
report.
So
in
case
you
didn't
catch
up
with
it
mayor.
It's
a.
It
came
out
as
a
separate
document
that
amber
circulated
to
us.
J
That
was
my
my
fault.
I
I
pushed
the
button
too
quick
when
I
sent
in
the
report
on
the
due
date
and
didn't
include
that
as
an
attachment,
but
that
is
a
very
important,
very
important
document
to
go
over.
If
you
haven't
reviewed
it
yeah.
G
D
Great
hey
jerome,
one
last
last
question:
how
many
of
these
ordinances
that
you
know
that
you've
observed
are
doing
the
jim
crow
era.
J
We
did
not
the
the
crew
that
did
that
review
did
not
do
a
historical.
This
is
when
the
ordinance
was
passed
kind
of
analysis.
They
kind
of
went
through
it
at
the
first
level,
saying
hey.
We
think
that
there
may
be
the
possibility
and
then
looked
at
some
of
the
arrest
arrest
data
that
was
available
and
some
of
the
data
that
was
in
the
the
racial
bias
audit
and
verified
that
yeah
we
do.
J
There
is
something
that's
worthwhile
being
looked
at,
but
no,
we
didn't
do
the
specific
historical
analysis
in
terms
of
when
the
ordinances
were
passed
and
how
many
or
jim
crow
era,
or
just
things
that
just
live,
we've
been
living
with
forever.
A
Thank
you
thanks
for
jerry
any
other
questions
before
we
transition
to
lucy.
A
I
wish
we
could
spend
another
half
hour
just
on
on
this
and
I
feel
like,
as
as
we
continue,
we
will
be
deeper
into
the
subcommittee
discussions,
but
just
in
the
sake
of
the
sake
of
time,
let's
kind
of
transition
over
to
tracy
who's,
our
chair
for
the
housing
and
mobility
tracy.
You
can
take
it
away.
I
Okay,
thank
you
and
good
evening.
Everyone.
I
first
want
to
say
that
the
work
that
our
subcommittee
did,
we
all
felt
proud
of.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
felt
a
little
scattered
going
through
the
process,
but
I
think
when
we
put
it
down
on
paper,
we
went
wow.
I
We
really
have
been
doing
some
some
work
here
and
they've
all
done
a
good
job,
considering
they're
only
seven
of
us
and
we're
all
committed
to
continuing
the
work
and
meeting
every
two
weeks
and
digging
into
each
recommendation
that
the
commission
wants
us
to
move
forward
with.
So
we're
excited
about
that.
I
So
we
had
a
report
said
eight,
but
there
are
actually
nine
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
matajala
who
did
a
great
job,
helping
us
get
all
the
fonts
the
same
and
everything
looking
doing
some
editing,
because
everybody
was
off
doing
their
own
thing
and
we
got
it
all
into
one
document
which
seemed
like
a
a
task
and
now
we'll
work
on
getting
it
into
the
proper
format.
I
I
One
was
the
development
developmental
impact
fee,
which
we
do
not
have
here
in
charleston,
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
a
ton
of
detail
on
all
of
these
we're
still
researching
them,
and
actually
you
know,
we've
talked
to
city
staff
and
to
other
developers
and
looking
at
things
that
we
can
do,
but
the
developmental
impact
fee
would
be
something
that
would
be
charged
on
new
development
and
could
go
into
infrastructure
for
new
development
like
affordable
housing,
commercial
linkage
fee
there's
a
long
explanation
here
about
commercial
linkage
fees
and
how
that
would
work.
I
We're
continuing
to
do
research
on
that.
That
would
also
be
something
that
could
go
into
the
city's,
affordable
housing
fund
and
we're
looking
for
funding
for
infrastructure
for
affordable
housing,
airs,
property
fund,
homeowner,
repair
assistance,
programs
and
potential
applications
for
economic
hardship
demo
by
neglect
and
others.
So
we
know
they're
they're
funding
needs
for
all
of
the
regulations
that
we're
making,
and
we
understand
that
you
know.
City
budgets,
you
know,
are
not
you
know,
we
can't
depend
on
the
city
to
to
do
all
of
this.
I
I
The
second
recommendation
is
concerning
rad
the
rental
assistance
demonstration
and
we've
done
some
work.
Looking
at
what
the
city
of
charleston
housing
authority
has
planned
for
their
developments
within
the
city
of
charleston,
and
how
could
we
help
optimize
their
efforts?
Look
at
how
could
we
create
more
units?
How
could
we
promote
desegregation
of
the
public
housing?
I
We
have
done
some
preliminary
work
around
looking
at
the
zonings
and
what
the
potentials
are.
I
mean,
for
example,
just
on
the
east
side.
If
you
maximize
zoning,
you
could
take
420
something
units
to
almost
4
000..
That's
being
you
know,
aggressive
it
may
be.
2000
is
what
the
city
would
choose
to
do,
but
looking
at
how
do
how
we
would
do
mixed
income
and
how
that
would
affect
those
neighborhoods.
We
also
understand
that
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
in
the
community.
I
Looking
at,
you
know
how
they
perceive
a
change
in
their
housing,
and
so
we've
put
together
some
recommendations
here
that
address
that,
and
we
are
looking
at
going
forward
doing
working
meetings
related
to
each
recommendation.
So
we
would
want
to
bring
don
and
don
cameron
the
the
ceo
of
the
housing
authority,
city,
council
members
and
discuss
these
things
and
do
working
meetings
related
to
each
individual
recommendation.
I
Mobility
infrastructure.
We
felt
at
the
day
that
maybe
our
our
mobility
recommendations
needed
to
be
flushed
a
little
bit
more,
and
we
were
looking
at
that
right
now.
One
of
the
ones
that
we
will
continue
to
work
on
is
to
look
at
safety
efforts
in
minority
communities,
and
our
committee
will
be
working
with
the
city
to
get
more
data
about
which
neighborhoods
would
benefit
the
most
from
increased
street
lighting
right-of-way
in
order
to
properly
access
the
mobility
needs
and
we're
also
looking
at
a
sidewall
expansion
improvement
project.
I
The
load
line
recommendation
we
were
looking
at
this
is
when
you
talk
about
low
hanging
fruit,
since
the
low
line
is
a
city
project
that
is,
you
know,
seeking
funding.
Now
is
something
that
we
really
think
would
have
a
great
impact
on
the
on
the
city,
and
you
know,
but
is
there
more
opportunity
to
look
at
it
through
the
racial
equity
lens?
And
so
I'm
excited
about
this
one,
because
the
low
line,
friends
of
the
low
line
are
very,
have
voiced
interest
in
getting
more
involved
and
we're.
I
Actually,
our
next
meeting
next
thursday
is
going
to
be
specific
to
the
low
line
project.
So
I
would
invite
any
city,
members
or
anyone
to
there
to
attend
that
meeting
so
that
we
can
give
them
the
feedback
that
representatives
from
friends
of
the
low
line
attending
that
and
they're
already
looking
at
ways.
I
think
they
heard
from
community
development
committee
that
they
did
need
to
be
more
inclusive
and
they
needed
to
look
at
everything
through.
You
know
the
equity
lens,
and
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
here.
I
Let
me
show
what
this
commission
can
do
boots
on
the
ground
work
working
with
different
projects
that
are
going
on
in
the
city,
so
I
am
excited
about
that
and
some
of
the
action
items
that
we
looked
at
you
know
is
to
provide
you
know.
Maybe
they
would
have
a
community
advisory
council
that
would
provide
voting
or
decision-making
input
looking
at
the
design
and
programming,
and
also
some
special
efforts
to
identify
potential
negative
outcomes
like
disproportionate
police
activity,
impacting
people
of
color
along
the
low
line.
I
There
are
going
to
be
impacts
and
so
we're
looking
at
how
wonderful
this
park
will
be,
what
will
be
the
negative
impacts
and
how
do
we
address
them
up
front,
getting
the
east
side
neighborhood
involved
and
ways
that
the
low
line
will
benefit
them,
since
the
money
is
coming
from
the
east
side
tiff,
so
we've
got
some
recommendations
there.
But
again,
I
am
excited
that
we
will
be
discussing
this
with
the
low
line
next
thursday
at
six
o'clock.
So
anyone
who
can
attend
please
do
our
recommendation.
I
Number
five
was
naming
the
west
ashley
bike
pedestrian
bridge
and
we
had
some
recommendations
here
on
what
the
name
could
be,
but
we
also
wanted
it
to
be
inclusive
of
the
community
so
doing
some
type
of
public
campaign
to
bring
in
recommendations
from
organizations
within
the
city
and
then
we
could.
I
The
city
could
select
a
name
from
those
solicited,
but
to
get
the
community
involved
in
in
naming
that
the
recommendation
number
six
was
the
workforce,
housing
in
fee
and
lou
and
what
we
were
looking
at,
and
this
was
sort
of
in
relation
to
the
low
line
as
well.
I
You
know
the
the
need
for
affordable
housing
on
the
peninsula
in
relation
to
the
low
line
and
downtown
and
the
fee
in
lieu,
and
we've
discussed
this
discussed
this
on
in
the
commission
meetings
before
right
now,
only
one
project
has
actually
put
the
affordable
housing
units
into
their
project,
they're
paying
the
fee
in
lieu
which
that
does
create
affordable
housing
in
other
areas,
but
it's
not
creating
housing
right
there
on
the
peninsula
and
the
areas
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
keeping
affordable
housing.
I
So
we
were
recommending
looking
at
an
increase
in
the
fee
in
lieu,
maybe
up
to
as
much
as
50
percent
above
the
current
levels,
and
we
came
up
with
some
recommendations
on
maybe
giving
the
developer
some
extra
incentives
like
being
able
to
extend
the
affordable
housing,
concierge
services
to
them,
going
through
the
permitting
process,
eliminating
some
parking
expediting
land
entitlement
for
those
buildings
in
place,
and
we
also
talked
a
little
bit
about.
How
could
we
end
those
properties?
I
Look
at
the
rents
being
such
that
a
housing
authority
voucher
could
be
applied
so
that
you
could
actually
have
lower
income
individuals
living
in
some
of
these,
because
I
know
they're
at
80
percent,
and
I
know
that
some
of
our
80
housing
80
of
ami
rent
housing-
we
can
take
a
voucher.
So
if
the
voucher
could
be
utilized
at
those,
it
would
actually
help
lower
income.
Folks
live
there.
Okay
recommendation
number
seven
had
to
do
with
air's
property,
and
we
did.
I
We
were
looking
at
this
all
started
out
around
a
conversation
about
the
bar
jurisdiction
north
of
the
september
parkway.
But
after
we
got
into
that,
we
really
saw
that
our
focus
needed
to
be
more
on
families
that
have
homes
they
can't
they
can't
rehab.
They
don't
have
clear
title
they're
stuck
in
the
system
of
you
know.
Their
house
is
falling
apart.
I
I
They
don't
have
the
funding,
so
we
looked
at
at
that
part
of
it,
and
these
recommendations
are
pretty
lengthy.
I
We
willy
hayward,
is
on
our
committee
and
he
is
an
attorney
who
deals
with
heirs
property
and
he
gave
us
like
the
cost
for
a
family
if
they
have
to
litigate,
because
basically,
if
the
whole
family
is
not
in
agreement-
and
they
have
to
litigate
to
clear
title,
then
there
are
these
steps
that
they
have
to
go
through
and
they
can't
go
through
the
ayers
property
center,
because
they'll
only
take
their
case
if
the
family
is
all
in
agreement
and
identified.
I
So
this
gets
rather
lengthy,
but
some
of
the
things
we
were
looking
at
was
to
have
the
charleston
school
of
law,
have
interns
helping
with
some
of
the
legal
work,
and
we
have
already
reached
out
to
them
and
they're
very
interested
and
we've
spoken
with
the
city
staff
at
we
spoke
to
gianna
and
to
eddie
bynes
about
how
that
could
work,
but
to
bring
in
some
funding
through
some
of
the
funding
sources
we
mentioned
earlier,
and
to
do
some
of
these
things
that
we
could
help
families
go
through
the
process
of
clearing
title
and
therefore
being
able
to
keep
their
homes
and
therefore
be
able
to
pass
on
the
wealth
of
the
general
to
the
next
generation,
which
is
the
goal
for
them
to
be
able
to
keep
the
property.
I
We
also
looked
at
applications
for
economic
hardship
claims
under
the
historic
preservation,
ordinances
and
we've
had
conversations
with
the
historic
preservation
groups
and
with
the
bar
looking
at
some
of
those
things,
and
these
attachments
are
here,
I'm
not
going
through
every
one
of
these,
because
we
have
a
lot
and
our
recommendations
written
out.
Okay
recommendation
number
eight:
we
are
looking
at
reenacting
the
bill,
3922,
the
community
land
bank
act
and
actually
two
of
my
committee
members
are
meeting
with
representative
pendarvis
next
week
to
talk
about
this
one.
I
But
this
would.
This
was
a
bill
that
was
originally
presented
and
it
was
not
passed
and
it
is
believed
that
it
it
could
be
passed,
but
it
would
create
a
land
bank
for
the
local
jurisdiction
and
we've
got
a
long
ride
up
here
on
this
and
about
how
that
could
work.
I
But
we
feel
like
this
would
be
a
tool
to
help
meet
the
community's
needs
and
be
able
to
support,
affordable
housing
and
equitable
development,
and
then
the
last
one,
but
certainly
not
the
most
important
one
is
the
fair
housing
assistance
program
or
the
fap,
and
we
have
been
working
with
councilmember
gregory
on
that
and
of
the
matters
with
the
trident
urban
league
and
there's
all
the
steps
are
here
on
how
the
city
would
go
through
that-
and
I
think
we've
also
discussed
this
in
some
of
my
reports.
I
It
would
allow
the
city
to
basically
enforce
fair
housing
infractions
and
it
takes
about
18
to
24
months.
To
do
this.
We
also
looked
at
what
we
have
in
place
now
and
you
know
how
we
can
beef
up
some
of
the
fair
housing
rules
that
the
city
currently
has
in
place.
I
A
Thank
you,
tracy.
That's
a
lot.
A
It
I,
I
certainly
have
some
questions,
but
I
I
want
to
defer
to
to
those
particularly
there
are
some
things
you
mentioned
about
the
impact
fees
that
I
guess
I'll
leave
it
up
to
the
group
for
for
for
questions.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions.
I
Off
the
top
of
my
head,
I
don't.
I
know
that
my
subcommittee
members
looked
at
that
and
the
mayor
may
know
exactly
how
it's
calculated.
G
So
so
what
we
do
alvin
is
take
the
whole
square
footage
of
the
development
and
apply
5.10
per
square
foot.
It's
a
fee
based
on
the
size
of
the
development.
So
so
we
had
a
big
argument
when
we
put
it
in
place.
Of
course,
all
the
development
community
told
us.
We
were
setting
this
bar
so
high
that
we
were
gonna.
G
You
know,
and-
and
so
it's
clear,
the
the
fee
is
too
low
and
from
from
y'all's
recommendation,
we'll
be
coming
to
council
soon,
I'm
not
going
to
wait
on
this
one
we're
going
to
come
on
to
council
soon
and
suggest
that
we
increase
that
fee
and
maybe
for
a
portion
of
the
fee,
what
what
really
jack
up
the
price,
which
will
be
a
disincentive
in
a
way
or
an
incentive
for
them
to
build
some
of
the
housing
as
opposed
to
buying
out,
if
that
makes
sense,
as
opposed
to
paying
the
fee.
H
Yeah,
because
to
me
it
kind
of
sort
of
seems
like,
of
course,
they
calculate
it
up
front,
see
what
it
is
and
they
just
spread
across
the
cost,
whatever
their
product
is
and
passing
on
to
the
end
users.
So
that's
true,
you
know
it.
It
has
to
be
something
that
that
actually
hurts.
That
makes
them
say
ouch
right.
So
that's
right.
I
In
our
committee,
our
committee
also
talked
about
how
that
will
be
monitored
over
the
period
of
time
that
they're
they
have
the
commitment
you
know
to
make
sure
that
their
teeth
and
the
ongoing
compliance
as
well.
D
I,
like
the
the
linkage
to
all
developments.
D
We
have
we've
been
having
those
kinds
of
discussions
over
the
years,
but
the
first
is
what
we
have
been
able
to
do
with
hotels
and
I'm
hoping
at
some
point
we'll
be
able
to
do
some
of
the
things
that
you
recommended.
Your
group
has
have
recommended
to
go
beyond
just
hotels
and
to
start
going
to
other
developments
in
the
city
as
well,
because
there
are
cities
that
have
a
housing
linkage
to
all
development,
and
it
would
be
great
if
we
can
do
something.
G
So
tracy,
thank
you
you're.
This
is
very
thorough
and
thoughtful
and
very
inclusive,
so
great
recommendations
on
the
money
recommendations,
recommendations.
I
I
do
want
to
think
out
loud
about
in
broadening
this.
This
thought
to
the
county
and
the
region,
and
not
just
the
city
and
and
when
the
the
charleston
area
justice
ministry
came
to
me
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
was
talking
about
this
same
thing.
G
I
recommended
that
we
got
to
find
some
sustainable
long-term
income
revenue
source
and
that's
what
led
them
to
propose
to
the
county,
to
put
the
two
mills
in
place
that
we
all
voted
on
last
november,
that
barely
lost
you
know.
So
we
need
to
try
to
expand
the
responsibility
here
to
the
other
jurisdictions
and
get
a
sustainable
income
source.
G
The
development
fee
and
the
other
things
you've
recommended
would
be
good
for
the
city,
but
try
to
get
one
for
the
county
and
even
for
the
tri-county
region,
I
think,
is
a
worthy
goal,
and
it's
okay.
I
think
for
us
to
recommend
you
know
that
larger
jurisdiction,
so
on
the
mobility
I
got
to
share
with
you.
My
frustration
and
this
gets
down
to
money
also
for
safety
for
sidewalks,
for
bike
lanes.
G
Anything
in
the
public
right-of-way,
the
city
of
charleston,
receives
guess
how
much
money
from
the
highway
tax
zero,
not
a
penny,
not
a
fraction
of
a
penny,
and-
and
so
I
I
would-
and
I
was
glad
to
see
the
state
d.o.t-
go
to
their
complete
streets
policy
first
time
in
their
history,
where
they're
thinking
about
other
kinds
of
mobility
other
than
driving
around
in
a
car.
But
we've
been
advocating
for
those
things.
But
honestly
we
don't
have
an
income
stream
for
that
either
to
pay
for
those
things.
G
So
I
would
suggest
that
we
ask
the
legislature
if
they
really
want
to
give
responsibility
to
the
cities
for
for
the
public
right-of-way.
They
need
to
share
some
of
the
revenue
stream
for
us
to
take
care
of
it.
But
anyway,
and
then
I
I
did
want
to
point
out
to
you
on
the
low
line,
two
things
or
a
suggestion.
G
Jerome.
I
really
like
this
tool
kit
that
you've
recommended
and-
and
could
I
tracy
suggest
to
you
that
when
you
meet
with
the
lowline
folks
next
week
that
you
challenge
them
to
take
this
tool
kit
that
jerome
is
recommending
to
us
and
see
if
they
would
do
an
exercise
to
utilize
the
tool
kit
for
for
what
they're
cooking
up.
G
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
and
then
lastly,
I
hate
to
take
so
long,
but
you
did
mention
correctly
the
the
cooper
river
bridge
tiff
district,
but
then
you
did
mention
a
time
or
two.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
the
let's
see
where
I
wrote
it
down
here
or
highlighted
it
that
the
funds
come
from
the
east
side,
the
east
side,
from
which
the
funds
originally
originate.
G
So
so
just
for
clarity
and
and
maybe
you've
seen
the
map-
and
maybe
not.
But
if
you
look
at
the
cooper
river
bridge,
tiff
district,
it's
mostly
the
commercial
areas
and
mostly
going
up
and
down
meeting
street
is
not
what
I
think
about
the
traditional
east
side
neighborhood
and
we
don't
get
tiff
funds
from
existing
residential
development.
We
get
it
from
new
commercial
development
and
so
and
the
money
has
to
be
spent
in
the
district
anyway
by
law.
So
I
I
just
think
that
that's
a
clarification.
The
money
comes
from
the
district.
G
It
mostly
comes
from
new
commercial
development,
not
from
like
the
the
east
side,
neighborhood
development,
existing
development.
F
Yes,
thank
you
just
to
point
out
three
areas
of
overlap
of
areas
of
interest
with
the
history
and
culture
subcommittee
tracy.
We
are
also
having
a
meeting
with
a
representative
of
the
load
line
next
week,
thursday.
F
I'm
sure
it's
not
the
same
person,
because
our
meetings
are
about
at
the
same
time,
but
this
individual
amber
johnson
put
me
in
contact
with
her
because
they
want
to
do
some
temporary
art
installations
that
reflect
the
history
and
culture
of
our
cult
of
our
community,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
ways
to
to
go
about
that
programming
with
them
and
assist
them
with
that
also.
F
Our
subcommittee
has
also
recommended
the
creation
of
a
developmental
fee
to
be
used
to
support
public
arts,
and
I
know
my
vice
chair
angela
mack
is
on
the
call,
I'm
not
sure,
if
she's
available
to
say
anything
else
more
about
that
we're
also
running
short
on
time,
but
certainly
when
our
turn
comes.
F
We'll
talk
about
that
and
our
our
ideas
concerning
that-
and
I
just
think
it's
interesting-
that
we
have
both
proposed
a
similar
method
of
producing
creating
funds
to
support
some
areas
that
that
don't
have
that
support
right
now
and
then,
lastly,
the
west
ash
re
ashley
pedestrian
bridge.
This
is
also
an
area
that
my
subcommittee
has
an
interest
in
to
again
use
it
as
an
art
space.
F
If
we're
talking
about
the
same
bridge,
I
think
we
are
the
one
that's
being
built
right
now:
yeah
use
it
as
a
public
art
space,
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
those
areas
of
overlap
and
we're
looking
at
them
for
slightly
different
reasons
than
your
subcommittee,
but
I
think
we
could
work
together
in
the
future,
as
we
put
together
the
final
report
for
this.
This
commission.
I
And
I
think
that
was
what
was
so
helpful
for
me.
Reading
everybody's
report
see
the
overlap
there
and
just
like
jerome
was
talking
about
the
affordable,
housing
and
mobility
that
his
subcommittee
is
discussing
and
how
we
go
about
doing
that
in
the
future.
I
think
we
need
to
talk
about
it.
You
know,
do
we
attend
each
other's
meetings
periodically,
or
I
mean
I
don't
know,
but
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
those
discussions.
D
Just
a
couple
of
things:
tracy
I've
already
had
an
extensive
discussion
with
scott
parker
from
the
little
line.
H
E
D
Is
primed
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
when
they
develop
the
low
line
that
it
is
done
with
an
equity
lens,
so.
D
Us
with
was
given
to
them.
I
think
it
helped
them
along
the
way.
The
second
thing
is,
the
low
line
is
touching
just
about
everybody
also
and
touches
alvin's
group,
as
it
relates
to
business
development,
naming
the
low
line,
something
different.
D
That
would
depict
the
african-american
experience,
I'm
just
saying
there,
so
the
low
line
is
is,
is
touching
just
about
everyone
and
then,
lastly,
for
your
mobility
part,
if
you
take
a
look
tracy
at
the
recent
analysis
of
impediments
to
fair
housing
choice
which
was
conducted
by
gianni's
office
about
a
year
ago.
D
There
are
some
mobility
recommendations
in
there
that
could
affect
carter,
because,
if
carter
roots
are
not
going
to
certain
neighborhoods,
it
can
question
the
affirmative
obligation
of
the
city
as
well
as
carter,
who
gets
transportation
dollars
in
which
title
six
is
applicable
to
so
just
take
a
look
at
that,
especially
for
the
mobility
piece,
although
there
are
some
other
issues
in
there
that
you
might
find
quite
interesting.
D
H
E
Thanks
for
that,
and
and
I
appreciate
everybody,
you
know
allowing
me
to
join
the
commission
and
I've
enjoyed
listening
to
everybody,
and
you
know
I'm
sort
of
catching
up
on
a
lot
of
the
great
work
that
y'all
done.
But
you
know
zoning
and
land
use,
sort
of
my
background
area
and
also
infrastructure
finance.
I've
got
some
familiarity
with
impact
fee
programs
and
what
works
and
most
often,
what
doesn't
work
around
the
state
regarding
impact
fees,
and
I
just
want
to
add
a
perspective
to
this
ongoing
conversation.
E
I
think
tracy
and
her
group
have
done
a
wonderful
job
of
laying
out
some
very
interesting
issues,
but
you
know
sometimes
we
can
accomplish
some
very
good
goals
by
simply
eliminating
regulations.
You
know
rolling
back
certain
requirements
and
I
think
that
oftentimes
that
gets
lost
in
the
shuffle
because
we're
all
sitting
around
here
trying
to
do
something
make
things
happen,
there's
an
instinct
to
say
well
that
requires
a
new
ordinance
or
a
new
requirement
or
a
new
or
a
new
law
and
oftentimes.
E
That
is
the
case,
but
sometimes
you
know
that
that
other
perspective
is
is
worthwhile,
and
you
know
I
always
like
to
tell
this
this
story.
You
know
the
vast
majority
of
of
you
know
human
development
around
the
world.
E
Up
until
you
know
you
know
the
mid
20th
century
predates
zoning,
so
the
idea
of
land
use
and
regulation
coming
in
to
prescribe
specifically
how
development
has
to
occur
where
it
must
occur,
etc,
is
really
a
new
invention
and
a
lot
of
things
that
we
see
are
the
products
of
the
regulatory
choices
that
were
made
oftentimes
a
long
long
time
ago
and
there's
a
very
interesting
historical
analysis
of
zoning
that
we
can
talk
about
some
other
time.
But
you
know
one
example
that
that
I
think
about.
E
Sometimes
is
you
look
around
the
country
and
a
lot
of
the
jurisdictions
around
the
country
that
have
eliminated
single-family
zoning
from
their
zoning
code
entirely
to
allow
you
know:
diversity
of
housing,
citywide
and
allowing
for
more
units,
more
density,
things
of
that
nature
and-
and
you
know,
that's
instructive,
because
sometimes
you
know
our
our
desire
to
achieve
affordability
can
sometimes
get
in
the
way
of
the
ultimate
goal
and
I'll
give
you
just
one
small
example:
accessory
dwelling
units
adus
are
becoming
widely
recognized
as
a
as
a
important
part
of
solving
the
overall
affordability
crisis
that
not
just
charleston
that
jurisdictions
all
over
the
country
face
and
oftentimes
under
traditional.
E
You
know
rigid
zoning
rules.
It
can
be
very
difficult
to
permit
these
because
you
deal
with
setbacks
and
trees
and
all
these
different
kinds
of
you
know
permitting
issues
that
make
it
difficult
to
get
these
units
on
board.
Well,
so
last
summer
we
passed
an
ordinance
to
overhaul
our
adu
process
and
in
a
lot
of
respects,
we
rolled
back
a
lot
of
great
regulation,
a
lot
of
not
so
great
regulation
to
make
the
permitting
process
easier.
E
E
I
was
wondering
about
this
the
other
day,
and
I
and
I
asked
our
our
staff
how
many
adus
have
been
permitted
in
the
city
of
charleston,
since
our
new
and
improved
ordinance
came
into
effect,
and
the
answer
is
zero,
because
the
the
economics
of
it
don't
work.
I
was
talking
with
a
friend
of
mine
in
burns
towns
neighborhood
I
live
in.
E
They
were
very
interested
in
an
adu
and
seen
something
in
the
you
know
the
paper
about
it,
and
you
know
the
economics
of
the
substantial
investment
that
it
would
cost
to
build
one
of
these
things
and
then,
when
you
actually
look
at
the
the
the
the
returns
and
the
expense
and
all
this
different
stuff,
it
prevents
people
from
doing
it.
Now
one
thought
could
be
well:
let's
just
eliminate
that
affordability
requirement
right
and-
and
I
can
understand
the
initial
reaction
to
that-
which
is
to
say
well,
we
want
these
things
to
be
affordable.
E
Well,
if
we
could
get
100
adus
on
the
market
next
year,
because
of
that
elimination
of
that
requirement,
we're
getting
more
units
into
the
marketplace
and
at
some
point
the
law
of
supply
and
demand
economics
101
has
to
come
into
effect
because
I'm
a
believer
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
to
truly
make
a
serious
impact
on
affordable
housing,
we've
got
to
get.
We've
got
to
find
a
way
to
get
thousands
of
units
on
the
market
every
year
and
at
some
point
the
price
will
come
down
just
like
any
other
commodity.
E
That's
out
there
and
it's
not.
You
know,
there's
always
going
to
be
a
place
for
these
li-tech
deals
and
all
these
things
that
we're
doing
I'm
not
I'm
not
saying
that
has
no
role,
but
I
also
think
we
ought
to
be
looking
for
ways
to
get
more
housing
built,
more
diverse
types
of
housing
built
all
across
the
city,
and
sometimes
we
can
do
that
through
a
deregulatory
approach.
E
So
a
very
important
discussion
and-
and
I
think
that
it's
worthwhile
to
continue
and
look
forward
to
being
part
of
that
conversation.
A
Ross
you're,
our
in-house
zoning
expert,
and
with
all
of
that
I
think
you
know
dudley
and
I
have
spoken
about.
You
know
a
sub
sub
committee
that
you
you
get
with
darren
and
and
kind
of
dig
into
it
to
all
this,
because
I
think
to
your
point
is
absolutely
right,
certainly
we're
we
are
trying
to
to
do
something,
but
there's
also
a
set
of
ordinances
and
zoning
practices
that
we
can
take
away
from
and
still
get
to
the
goal
that
we
need.
A
So
I
I
wholeheartedly
agree
with
you
ross
just
a
few
things,
any
other
questions
in
regards
to
to
tracy's
presentation,
I
I
will
mention
yeah
good
job
tracy.
I
will
mention
when
the
mayor
was
discussing
the
the
the
ballot
initiative
regarding
the
affordable
housing
and
you
know
for
me
it
was
connecting
the
dots
about
why
we're
doing
the
work
we're
doing
in.
In
particular,
you
know
this
kala
grant
and
our
community
partnerships
and
why
they're
important?
A
I
will
be
very
honest
with
you
when,
when
that
bell
and
when
that
initiative
was
on
the
ballot,
I
certainly
was
aware
of
it.
But
my
wife
came
home
and
said
you
know
I
was
voting.
I
didn't
know
anything
about
this,
so
it
speaks
to
me
about
you
know:
hey,
you
know,
that's
a
great
idea,
but
who
is
advocating
and
communicating
in
the
community
about
these
needs.
So
that's
where
I
see
the
synergy
between
this
group
and
perhaps
you
know
our
work
with
the
kellogg
grant
and
the
ywca.
A
We
certainly
need
a
partner
at
the
table
that
helps
push
from
an
advocacy
standpoint.
Some
of
these
larger
scale
initiatives
and
that's
one
of
them,
so
maybe
we'll
get
that
back
on
the
ballot
sometime
in
the
future,
but
we
do
need
a
partner
in
the
community
that
helps
advocate
and
push
that
forward.
A
Yep
yep,
absolutely.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
there's
no
other
questions
about
tracy's
presentation
before
we
conclude.
I
do
know
that
we'll
be
speaking
at
the
next
meeting.
We'll
have
two
more
subcommittees
deep
dive
on
two
of
those
subcommittees
at
the
next
meeting
and
then
also
we're
gonna.
We're
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
government
alliance
on
race
and
equity
and
and
basically-
and
we
can
talk
a
little
more
in
detail
right
now
to
give
us
a
preview.
A
But
we
want
to
basically
ask
you
all
whether
that's
going
to
be
worthy
for
us
to
to
be
a
part
of
that
which
I
think
is.
It
is
and
then
also
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
their
training
and
resources
so
amber.
If
you
want
to
just
kind
of
quickly
give
us
a
preview.
B
I
can
come
off
from
you:
okay,
the
government
alliance
on
race
and
equity.
It's
a
network
of
cities
and
governments
that
are
working
on
advancing
racial
equity,
they're
working
in
several
other
cities.
None
that
I
know
I
know
they're
working
in
with
spartanburg
in
south
carolina,
but
that's
the
only
other
city
in
south
carolina
that
I
know
that
they're
working
with
they
help
cities
to
operationalize
equity.
So
the
toolkit
that
jerry
included
in
their
report.
They
teach
you
how
to
use
that
to
help
you
create
a
core
team.
B
Within
your
departments,
help
you
develop
each
department
develop
their
own
equity
plan.
They
work
with
that
core
team
for
a
year.
So
I
I
got
a
proposal
from
them
I
think
about
last
year,
but
I'd
probably
have
to
get
an
updated
one,
but
I
think
they
would
be
a
good
group
to
bring
in
to
help
the
city
start
to
do
some.
Racial
equity
work.
A
A
H
K
K
Great
sorry,
I'm
using
two
different
devices.
Sorry
about
that,
I'm
not
sure
I
know
we've
we've
actually
talked
a
lot
about
the
government.
Is
this
the
one
that's
with
race
forward
or
related.
K
Yeah
and
then
just
reviewing
a
lot
of
the
information
it
does
fit
in
with
a
lot
of
the
work
well
most
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
within
the
special
commission.
So
I'm
wondering
if
it
would
make
sense
for
us
to
just
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
for
it
to
be
able
to
go
to
council
for
approval.
If
we
could
do
that
tonight
versus
waiting
until
our
next
meeting
two
weeks
from
now.
A
A
K
I
can
go
ahead
and
make
it
an
official
motion.
I
crystal
rouse,
crystal
robinson
rouse,
would
like
to
officially
make
a
motion
for
us
to
begin
work
with
the
government
alliance
and
for
it
to
go
forward
to
city
council
for
approval.
D
Second,
awesome:
just
just
a
discussion,
part
of
it
one,
the
membership
fees,
how
much
amber.
D
D
To
do
the
do,
the
analysis
is
what,
in.
D
B
D
A
K
And
well-
and
I'm
saying
that,
because
I
mean
you
know
I'll
go
back
to
our
very
first
gathering,
you
know
it's
going
to
it's
not
going
to
be
a
a
free
venture
for
us
to
really
do
the
the
huge
lift
that
we
need
to
do
in
our
area
to
make
sure
that
the
work
gets
done
in
the
way
it
needs
to
get
done.
So
yes,
that
is
my
pleasure.
My
motion.
D
All
right
carol,
sorry.
C
I
was
just
curious:
were
the
chair
chairpersons
given
more
information
about
the
alliance,
or
you
know
I
I've
heard
of
the
toolkit
jerry
shared
that
with
the
with
the
criminal
justice
reform
and
I've
looked
at
that,
but
in
terms
of
the
overall
organization
I
have
no
problem
saying
that
it's
a
you
know
that
it's
a
recommendation,
but
I
I
do
think
that
maybe
we
need
to
you
know
be
unified
as
a
commission
that
we're
we're
we're
in
agreement
that
we're
going
to
get
our
monies
for
the
75,
000
or
whatever,
because
about
this
group
until
now,
so
not
not
that
I'm
the
be-all
end-all
of
deciders,
but
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
be
able
to
explain
to
our
council
members
in
particular.
A
K
A
G
Could
I
ask
amber
if
she
would
go
ahead
and
request
an
update
to
the
proposal
that
we
got
from
them
and
make
sure
the
pricing
and
and
the
scope
of
the
work
is
you
know
up
to
date
and
shared
with
everyone.
G
A
J
So
yeah,
mr
mr
chairman,
we
noted
earlier
somebody
made
reference
to
it
being
black
history
month.
I
would
challenge
each
of
the
members
of
the
commission
to
find
a
book.
J
Do
some
research
to
deepen
their
knowledge.
For
example,
marvin
dr
marvin
dulaney.
I
believe
in
1998
wrote
an
article
in
the
avery
review
regarding
the
history
of
black
ops
police
officers
in
charleston.
J
That's
it's
just
a
snapshot
of
a
period
of
time,
but,
for
example,
for
the
folks
in
our
committee,
it
might
raise
up
some
thoughts
and
some
questions
that
you
may
not
have
had
thought
about.
So
I
would
just
challenge
everyone
to
find
something
to
read
beyond.
What's
in
the
post
and
courier.
D
J
And
also,
mr
chairman,
if
there
is,
if
there's
a
desire
to
talk
about
any
of
the
issues,
for
example,
the
education
and
youth
discussion
about
the
experience
of
young
people
in
the
courts
might
be
something
that
we
need
might
be
some
low-hanging
fruit,
as
you
suggest
that
we
might
be
able
to
make
some
progress
on.
So
just
just
think
about
those
things
and
we'll
try
and
put
our
subcommittees
to
work
and
together.
D
Could
I
ask
tracy
and
our
jerome
to
take
a
look
at
your
recommendations,
determine
which
one
you
think
is
low-lying
fruit,
okay
and
make
a
recommendations
to
the
commission
accordingly,
if,
if
it's
something
that
you
know
needs
to
be
needs
to
go
before,
council
in
resolution
form
ordinance
change
whatever?
Okay,
if
you
can
just
make
a
recommendation
to
the
commission
on
which
ones
you
think
we
can
do
now,
and
I
think
some
of
even
what
ross
was
talking
about,
we
can
do
now.
J
So
and
I
I
hate
to
prolong
the
discussion,
but
I
want
to
raise
this-
the
low-hanging
fruit
stuff
that
we
can
do
may
not
be
the
things
that
have
the
base
most
systemic
impact.
J
D
A
Thank
you,
dudley.
Thank
you,
jerry,
just
some
takeaways
for
us
before
we
depart
amber,
send
out
the
template,
for
you
all,
we'll
get
that
out
and
then
also
the
alliance,
the
current
alliance
proposal.
If
we
can
get
that
sent
out,
so
we
can
review
it
and
have
that
discussion
if
we
need
to
have
that
at
the
at
the
next
meeting.
Those
are
the
key
takeaways
that
I
heard
from
folks.
Is
there
anything
else.