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Commission on Equity, Inclusion, and Racial Conciliation 4/21/2021
A
B
G
H
G
B
B
B
E
C
Mr
chairman,
while
we're
making
brief
amendments,
I
apologize.
I
don't
remember
which
I
think
it
was
the
first
one
when
a
criminal
justice
gave
their
report,
and
I
I
was
quoted
as
talking
about
low
hanging
fruit
being
some
of
the
ordinances
that
the
ordinance
subcommittee
of
the
subcommittee
determined
could,
you
know,
were
either
out
of
date
or
irrelevant
or
whatever
and
the
word
that's
in
the
minutes
is
redacted
and
it
should
be
revised.
C
I
J
A
B
B
B
One
is
we
wanted
to
let
council
members
kind
of
get
up
to
speed
that
haven't
been
participating
in
the
commission
which,
which
is
roughly
half
of
our
council,
get
them
up
to
speed
on
some
of
the
recommendations
but,
more
importantly,
it's
really
to
to
discuss
with
them
some
of
the
terminology
and
the
terms
that
we
have
been
using
interchangeably
throughout
our
discussions.
You
know
the
term
of
equity
reparations
white
supremacy.
B
Those
terms
need
to
be
defined,
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
share
those
definitions
with
council
members.
We
all
kind
of
start
from
from
a
place
of
understanding
as
we
move
forward
and
have
you
know
kind
of
deeper
discussions
on
council.
So
that's
the
point
of
those
two
workshops
that
we'll
be
having
with
council,
and
I
think
the
mayor
just
joined
us,
hey
mayor.
K
Good
evening,
hey
councilmember,
how
are
you
I'm
well?
How
are
you
I'm
doing
great
and
y'all
pardoned
me
if
my
I
came
home
and
my
commute
computer
connection
keeps
failing.
I've
been
on
two
other
meetings,
so
it
may
go
out,
but
the
other
thing,
if
I
may
just
say
a
few
words
and
and
get
the
night
off,
I
got
home
and
my
daughter
from
spartanburg
had
showed
up
with
my
three-year-old
and
one-year-old
grandchildren.
K
So
I
I
they're
right
here
on
the
porch
and
I
do
want
to
spend
a
little
time
with
them.
I
don't
see
them
that
often
so
I'm
going
to
listen
in
for
just
a
few
minutes
and
if
anybody
got
anything
from
me,
of
course,
if,
if
you
don't
mind,
ask
now-
or
let
me
know
now,
otherwise
I
wanted
to
thank
you
all
for
your
work.
I
know
we've
been
on
a
journey
together.
We
continue
on
this
journey
together.
K
B
You
know,
I'm
not
certainly
not
going
to
speak
for
dudley,
but
you
know
this
has
been
a
a
process
and
a
journey
for
us
it's
not
over,
and
I
I
want
to
personally
thank
everyone
for
their
time
number
one
and
their
commitment
to
to
the
work
to
get
us
here.
You
know
I've.
I've
said
this
before,
and
I've
said
this
with.
You
know,
fellow
council,
members
and
family
and
friends
that
have
asked
me
about
this
work.
B
B
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that,
and
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
that
I'm
proud
to
be
part
of
something
where
I
feel
that
the
community
members
as
yourselves,
really
came
together
and
will
put
together
a
great
set
of
recommendations,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
comment
upon
us
and
the
mayor
council
members
and
the
mayor
to
to
put
that
work
forward
and
make
sure
that
it
has
a
life
and
make
sure
that
there's
some
energy
behind
it.
But
you
all
have
done
your
part.
G
I
think
that
this
is
a
great
recommendation
here
and
vice
versa,
so
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
develop
something
that
is
going
to
show
that
the
city
of
charleston
is
very,
very
serious
to
make
the
apology
for
slavery
and
jim
crow
real,
and
this
is
just
an
extension
of
it
again.
Thanks
appreciate
you.
B
I
J
I
got
you
thank
you
councilman.
I
want
to
bring
a
new
piece
of
business
to
the
commission.
I
don't
know
on
the
agenda
where
new
business
comes
in,
so
I'm
gonna
depend
on
the
chair
people
that
correct
me
on
that.
So
I
don't
want
to
leap
leapfrog,
the
agenda.
So
where
does
a
new
business
come
in
on
that.
J
All
right,
great
great
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
bring
to
the
commission
is
what
I
see
is
a
potential
problem
with
the
low
country
open
with
the
low
country
with
the
low
line,
not
I
started
to
say
little
country
open
lanterns,
with
a
low
line.
The
low
line
could
be,
I
don't
know
a
40
or
50
million
dollar
project
right
now.
The
city
has
been
entering
into
in
a
very
preliminary
way,
and
I
want
all
you
all
to
know
this
is
kind
of
like
plato,
we're
kind
of
shaping
this
thing.
J
I
think
everybody
agrees
with
the
low
line.
When
I
mean
everybody,
I'm
talking
the
mayor
and
all
13
and
all
12
councilmen.
So
if
you
said
do
the
long
line
or
not
do
the
low
line,
you
got
13
votes
to
do
it,
including
mine,
but
when
it
comes
to
how
do
we
spend
the
money
right
now?
If
we
were
the
initial
proposal
very.
J
J
It's
normally
done
around
a
blighted
area
and
try
to
encourage
development
in
that
area,
and
when
the
tax
revenue
increases
when
new
buildings
and
apartments
and
office
buildings
arise,
the
property
taxes
increases
instead
of
those
dollars
being
shared
with
the
school
district
and
the
county,
as
well
as
the
city.
There's
an
agreement
that
says
all
those
dollars
go
back
to
that
outlined
area
to
help
pay
for
improvement.
J
J
We
need
more
people
looking
over
our
shoulders
when
we
at
the
last
council
meeting
appropriated
approximately
250
000
again
a
superficial
amount
when
you're
talking
40
to
50
million
to
the
friends
of
the
low
line.
Right
now
our
life
depended
on.
I
know
if
my
life
depended
on.
I
couldn't
name
the
members
of
friends
of
the
low
line.
I
don't
even
know
who
they
are
when
it
comes
to,
how
do
they
spend
money
with
women
and
minority
owned
businesses?
J
J
Low
line
is
a
game
changer
in
some
cases
and
then
obviously
we
can
spend
money
to
create
parts
with
the
low
line
as
a
linear
part
and
we'll
be
a
five
or
five
linear
partner
when
we
appropriated
those
dollars
at
the
last
meeting,
I
I
clicked
on
the
zoom
meeting
and
we
had
44
people
on
the
zoom.
Well,
I
know
13
of
them
was
the
main
council
so
that
knocks
you
down
to
31.,
approximately
maybe
15
to
20
was
our
staff
that
knocks
you
down
to.
J
I
don't
know
if
it
was
15
that
knocked
you
down
to
16
people,
and
then
we
normally
have
somebody
from
the
preservation
society,
historic
charleston,
low
country,
open
land,
trust
coastal
conservation
league.
So
when
you
get
down
to
actual
public
having
input
or
even
listening
in
on
that
from
a
transparent
standpoint,
maybe
10
people
out
of
130
000
people.
J
J
This
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
potentially
leverage
some
dollars
coming
through
the
tif
district,
for
drainage,
for
affordable
housing
and
for
the
low
line,
and
there
needs
to
be
a
spending
formula
in
place
that
frankly
attacks
all
three
initiatives,
so
I
bring
that
as
new
business
to
the
committee.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
All
right,
thank
you.
G
F
Yes,
real
quick,
my
only
recommendation
is
excuse
me
that
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you
need
to
get
the
information
out
to
the
people.
Right
I
mean
when
you
talk
about
equity
by
definition,
equities
meet
people
where
they
are
so
to
me
it
sounds
like
you
guys
had
a
meeting.
A
large
percentage
of
the
meeting
were
council
people
correct
and
then
not
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
was
part
of
the
meeting.
F
So
part
of
success,
in
my
opinion,
is
getting
public
buy-in
and
the
only
way
you
can
do
that
is
to
go
out
there
and
sell
the
project.
I
think
whenever
people
find
out
about
what
the
project
is
as
opposed
to
what
they
think
it
you
know
can
be,
I
think
it's
a
win-win
but
yeah.
So
when
we
met
with
them,
you
know
we.
We
have
a
very
spirited
group,
so
things
kind
of
as
the
mayor
found
out.
F
Yes,
we
want
to
have
dollars
in
there
for
contractors
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
you
got
to
have
representation
in
the
space
and
when
you're
trying
to
create
that
vision
as
well.
So
how
do
you
get
out
to
the
community
and
bring
the
community
into
the
room?
So
you
can
support
that
vision
right
so
part
of
that
is
a
robust
public
outreach.
I
mean
you,
you,
you
have
to
spend
some
of
those
dollars
to
get
out
there
in
the
streets
and
meet
the
folks
where
they
are
so
it's
it's.
F
It's
bridging
the
gap
too
much
is
given
right.
So
if
you
have
the
much
you
have
to
probably
take
a
couple,
you
know
extra
steps
more
so
than
the
people
that
don't
have
much
so
yeah.
It
was
like,
I
said,
a
a
very
spirited
conversation
and
I
will
give
it
to
the
folks
at
the
friends
of
the
low
line.
Equity
is
on
their
mind.
F
We
want
to
hear
what
you
guys
have
to
say
so
they're
going
into
this
with
an
open,
mind,
dynamic
group
of
folks,
but
I
I
I
do
think
that
you
need
a
little
bit
more
representation
in
the
space
where
the
vision
is
happening.
That's
my
number
one
recommendation
and
then
also
when
you
talk
about
contractors
right,
we
talk
about
minority
contractors,
minority
owned
contractors.
F
We
were
very
much
focused
on
black
owned
businesses,
so
really
trying
to
carve
out
a
space
for
black
home
businesses.
Not
only
help
build
the
space
out
but
also
be
able
to.
You
know
benefit
from
that
space
long
term.
So
we
don't
want
to
build
it.
We
also
want
to
benefit
from
it
from
you
know,
long
term
as
as
well
so.
F
We
were
actually
we,
we
didn't
come
up
with
the
name,
but
we
definitely
challenged
the
current
name
right.
Well,
you
said
I
mean
words
matter
right,
I
mean
low
line.
I
mean
when
you
think
low
you're
thinking
like
the
bottom
of
the
barrel.
You
know
it's
not
necessarily
very
high
priority,
so
I
I
I
would,
I
would
recommend
something
else
and
tom
bradford
was
very
much
open
to
it
so
yeah
I
I,
I
definitely
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
sort
of
look
at
the
naming.
F
You
know
figure
out
what
just
says:
energy,
which
it
says
charleston,
which
is
you
know,
talks
about
our
past
and
what
we're
trying
to
go.
But
it's
really
blank
slate
right
now.
To
be
quite
honest
right
I
mean
tom
and
those
folks
made
it
very
clear
to
us
that
that
everything
that
we're
looking
at
is
preliminary
like
nothing's
etched
in
stone,
so
things
can
change,
and
that
was
that
that
made
us
feel
good
as
well,
so
it
wasn't
like
they
were.
Trying
to.
You
know
shove
something
down
our
throats.
F
B
J
E
About
that
all
right,
mr
harris,
go
ahead,
sure
just
real
quickly.
I
guess.
Back
in
february
we
had
a
discussion
about
the
kellogg
grant
application,
just
wondering
whether
or
not
there's
any
information
about
whoever
the
application
wasn't
submitted.
What's
in
it
is
there
any
interface
or
information
that
we
might
need
to
consider
in
the
work
that
we're
doing
going
forward
with
our
reports.
B
B
Amber
can
give
an
update
on
that
in
a
second,
but
I
definitely
wanted
to
get
back
to
keith's
point
about
the
low
line
you
know
I
certainly
am
not
defending
them
or
supportive
of
them.
I
mean
I'm
supportive
of
the
project,
but
I
think
it's
it's
important
to
be
critical
and,
I
think
keeps
making
some
good
questions
about
outreach.
K
B
B
I
would
say
you
know
an
organization,
that's
led
by
you
know
a
few
white
people
and
the
board
was
predominantly
white.
I
think
we're
pushing
them
to
to
make
sure
that
they
diversify,
but
it's
a
process,
but
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
keith
that
I'm
aware
of
that
and
and
I've
shared
those
concerns
with
them,
councilwoman
jackson,
then
I
definitely
want
to
get
mr
harris's
question
answered
regarding
the
grant.
C
Yeah
yeah,
we
would
love
to
know
more
about
the
grant
too
yeah.
I
I
I
hope
this
is
not
just
you
know,
overkill
or
repeating,
but
I
do
think
that
the
opportunity
to
work
with
the
low
line
to
help
them
you
know
not
reinvent
literally
recreate
re-fabric
themselves
to
be
a
responsive,
non-profit
that
gets
it
is,
is
really
our
challenge
and
I
think
that's
the
challenge
to
all
of
us.
As
we
say,
we're
gonna.
C
You
know
this
commission
is
just
getting
started
and
we're
all
a
bunch
of
words
at
this
point
in
time.
We're
brilliant
words.
I
I'm
I'm
joining
council
member
sacrament.
You
know
when
I
talk
about
volunteering
for
the
commission,
it's
like
it's
like
the
pinnacle
of
what
we
get
to
do,
because
we're
working
with
people
that
we
didn't
know
before,
physically
literally
we're
working
with
ideas
and
experience
that
you
know
we
we've
read
about
if
we're
trying
to
be
conscientious
in
our
society
today,
but
we
haven't
really.
C
You
know
like
done
the
work
in
in
this
same
framework,
and
I
do
feel
like
if
the
low
line
can
be
sort
of
at
the
point
of
the
sphere.
As
a
it's,
not
shovel
ready,
but
it's
certainly
far
down
the
road
and
being
the
kind
of
project
that
could
be
a
an
amazing
learning
lab
for
all
of
us
and
push
them
to
make
their
words.
C
We're
not
just
a
bunch
of
fluffy
political
words,
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
put
our
shovels
in
the
ground
and
find
money
from
wealthy
people
who
want
to
get
accolades
in
this
age
of
you
know
black
lives
matter
and
we're
going
to
take
advantage
of
all
those
resources,
but
we're
going
to
make
it
real
and
I
think
that's
the
challenge
to
all
of
us,
and
we
should
continue
to
push
the
low
line
to
live
up
to
what
their
words
are.
Now
telling
us
they're
willing
to
reinvent
themselves.
C
They
want
to
have
a
new
board
they're
going
to
have
a
new
director.
They
want
to
have
a
new.
You
know
understanding
of
what
they
accomplish
in
neighborhoods
that
don't
look
like
the
wealthy
below
broad
people
that
put
this
together.
You
know
up
until
a
couple
years
ago,
so,
let's
put
them
to
the
test
and
ourselves.
At
the
same
time,.
J
J
Had
token
membership,
but
I
I
believe
they're
good
people
on
that
committee,
white,
black
asian
doesn't
matter.
I
think
they're,
good
people,
you
got
good
people
and
you
got
bad
people.
I
think
you
got
good
people.
My
question
is
around
the
actual
taxpayer
dollars
being
controlled
and
vetted
out
by
a
department,
that's
very
experienced
and
has
been
very
successful
in
doing
so.
J
That's
the
piece
that
I
think
the
public
doesn't
know
about
and
if
we
don't
have
a
spending
formula,
one
project
will
leapfrog
the
other
and
that's
the
portion
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
on
the
committee.
A
lot
of
people
in
the
community
doesn't
realize
so
see
when
we
don't
do
a
drainage
project
out
of
a
tif
area
that
is
eligible
for
the
money,
then,
when
those
drainage
projects
are
fixed,
it
has
to
come
from
another
part
of
money.
That's
designed
to
help
the
whole
city.
J
J
Is
the
most
crucial
area
for
affordable
housing
right
now
is
probably
the
peninsula
and
it's
the
most
expensive
we
had
the
state
law
changed.
The
mayor
was
a
big
part
of
that
senator
kempson
was
a
big
part
of
that
you
could
not
spend
money
from
tiff
areas
on
affordable
housing.
Today
you
can
spend
the
money
to
acquire
property.
You
can't
do.
I
understand
you
can't
do
the
vertical,
but
you
can
acquire
the
site.
J
J
The
track
record
of
being
able
to
do
business
with
women
and
minority
owned
business
and
being
set
up
to
do
that.
The
city
is
set
up
to
do
that.
It
has
a
track
record,
hasn't
been
the
most
successful
no,
but
on
the
large
projects
they
have
been
very
successful,
whereas
the
lowline
has
to
set
that
up.
I
don't
want
to
dominate
the
meeting
with
that,
because
I'm
going
to
be
on
a
circuit
carrying
this
word
throughout
the
community,
because
the
people
actually
don't
even
know
how
this
affects
the
drainage
funds.
J
I
know
I
know
the
council
members
know
exactly
what
I'm
talking
about.
So
I
I
just
kind
of
want
to
bring
the
committee
members
up
to
speed
a
little
bit
more
but
I'll
get
with
with
alvin.
So
he
can
I'll
bring
him
up
to
speed,
be
happy
to
bring
him
up
to
speed
on
that.
But
this
committee
certainly
should
have
a
say
once
the
information
is
digested.
B
A
But
we're
just
saying
you
know,
along
with
saying
we
expect
you
to
make
this
certain
kind
of
goal
for
participation.
We're
not
only
saying
that
we're
providing
you
with
the
tools
and
encouraging
that
in
whatever
ways
and
holding
them
accountable
in
a
way
and
and
saying
that
it's
not
enough
to
just
have
people.
A
Like
councilman
waring
said
that
we
we
have
our
eyes
on
you
and
we're
going
to
hold
you
to
this
high
standard,
because
this
is
the
standard
of
work
that
we
need
to
see,
and
this
is
the
standard
of
work
that
needs
to
be
delivered
to
kind
of
honestly
put
the
zipper
back
in
place
for
this
community.
That's
been
so
broken
up
and
divided
over
the
course
of
so
many
years,
and
so
many
other
different
projects,
and
so
many
other
different
things
that
have
kind
of
come
through
down
that
spine.
I
mean
you
know.
A
B
D
Yeah-
it's
not
to
I
don't
want
to.
You
know,
take
too
long
on
the
line
because
there's
some
other
things,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
the
load
line
was
a
great
example
of
a
project
that
was
here
getting
ready
to
go
that
all
of
our
subcommittees.
I
think,
for
the
most
part,
worked
with
the
low
line,
and
sometimes
I
know
they
came
to
our
subcommittee
meeting.
D
One
of
the
recommendations
that
came
from
listen,
addict's
evidence
was
no
one
has
spoken
to
the
people
who
live
in
public
housing
that
live
on
the
low
line.
You
know
they
need
to
be
engaged
with,
and
you
know
so.
I
think
we
came
at
it
from
lots
of
different
directions
and
there's
certainly
funding
issues
and
all
of
that.
But
I
think
that
they
were
a
good
project.
Example
for
us
to
all
get
our
arms
around
and
look
at,
and
I
think
that
was
a
really
good
thing
for
the
commission
and
for
the
webline.
G
I
just
saw
something
from
jerome
in
the
chat
room
in
jerome
you're,
absolutely
correct.
This
is
also
something
for
the
internal
review
committee
to
also
also
be
looking
at,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
think
the
low
line
is
just
the
tip
of
the
iceberg,
guys.
Okay,
I
mean
when
we're
when
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
things
with
an
equity
lens,
we're
talking
about
looking
at
that
through
every
single
department
within
the
city.
G
B
B
E
Yeah,
I
just
wondering
whether
also
any
of
the
ideas,
particularly
anything
that
had
to
do
with
community
engagement
or
increasing
communication,
might
might
be
a
benefit,
particularly
since,
in
the
area
of
public
safety,
the
notion
of
community
policing
and
community
relations
are
important,
so
I'm
just
wondering
whether
or
not
there
are
any
active
pieces
in
that
so
I'll
just
take.
If
I
can
get
a
look
at
the
proposal
later,
I
can
get
my
ass
question
answered.
That's.
B
Share
that
with
all
of
us
by
email
at
some
point.
Yes,
all
right,
that'd
be
very
helpful
and
then
you
know
maybe
some
of
that
language
reading.
That
would
help
us
spur
some
of
our
final
recommendations
in
the
report.
We
finally
finalize
any
other
questions
on
on
those
items
or
anything
else
that
we
need
to
address
tonight
with
the
final
recommendations.
E
E
So
I
didn't
ask
any
of
you
if
there
any
thoughts
that
you
had
or
anything
that
you've
seen
that
you
think
is
particularly
relevant,
that
we
should
be
talking
about
in
the
context
of
the
reimagining,
our
criminal
justice
system,
both
the
courts
on
and
and
the
public
safety
delivery
services.
Please
share
that
with
me.
Us.
A
A
I
look
forward
to
a
day
where
the
the
the
blue
veil
is
is
truly
torn,
and
we
can
count
on
police
officers
to
do
the
the
duty
that
they
know
to
do
and
have
the
honor
that
they
they
show
in
so
many
other
ways,
speaking
as
a
child
of
a
former
law
enforcement
officer.
So
that's
that's.
What
I
look
forward
to
as
a
result
of
this
is
the
kind
of
movement
towards
that
being
the
norm
and
not
such
an
exception.
C
I
agree
with
you,
john.
I
I
think
that
the
way
that
the
jury
was
given
the
the
truth
had
a
lot
to
do
with
the
fact
that
the
officers
and
the
experts
in
policing
you
know
were
100
percent
on
the
side
of
the
prosecution
and-
and
I
think
that's
that's
mind
catching
to
people
who
are
used
to
it
being
the
polar
opposite
way
for
how
many
hundreds
of
years.
C
I
hope
that
all
the
smart
people
that
I've
heard
since
last
night,
you
know,
are
saying
this
was
great,
but
it's
not
done
so
it's
just
like
our
commission
work.
You
know
this.
This
was
right,
but
it
doesn't
satisfy
or
answer
what
what
we
know
has
been
wrong
for
all
time,
so
I
I
hope
that
we
can
play
our
part
in
that
for
sure.
G
G
Perpetuates
the
original
purpose
of
policing,
as
opposed
to
reimagining
policing,
for
today,
it's
going
to
continue.
We
all
know
why
police
departments
were
formed
okay
and
to
me
until
one.
We
accept
that
and
we
go
in
with
a
scaffold,
okay
and
remove
the
cancer
as
best
we
can
and
get
it
all
out
there,
not
just
in
our
police
department,
because
it's
interconnected,
as
you
know,
so.
Yes,
I
was
on
pins
and
needles.
B
J
My
neighbor
crossed
the
street.
I
called
him
after
afterwards,
he
had
been
wrecked,
see
how
he
was
doing,
but
anyway
I
asked
him.
He
asked
me
he
said
man.
How
do
you
feel
after
the
verdict?
I
said?
Obviously
I
feel
great
for
the
family
and
he
said,
but
who
his
son
called
him
and
said
who
in
the
world
would
think
this
guy
would
have
gotten
off.
I
said
what
do
you
mean?
I
said
happened
right
here
in
our
community.
J
J
Now
we
had
one
big
victory
in
our
local
police
department.
Two
months
ago
we
had
a
question.
We
I
posed
a
question
at
council.
Our
chief
didn't
know
it
was
coming
and
I
asked
him
as
well.
I
prefaced
it
in
a
five-year
previous
period
of
time
the
city
of
charleston
had
had
over
a
hundred
and
thirty
pretext,
stopped
130
000,
I'm
sorry
pre-tech
stops
in
a
five-year
period
of
time,
seventy
percent
of
which
were
african-american
and
we
represent
thirty
percent
of
the
population.
J
J
J
The
young
man,
dante
wright,
who
was
killed,
10
miles
from
the
hennepin
county
courthouse
in
minneapolis,
was
stopped
on
a
pre-tax.
Stop,
you
know
a
license
tag.
I
mean
expiration,
think
about
it.
We
got
the
technology
today
that
policeman
could
have
taken
taken
a
picture
with
the
camera.
With
the
license
tag,
and
they
could
have
mailed
that
violation
to
that
and
never
stopped
them.
J
Okay,
why
would
a
policeman
on
the
traffic
stop
frankly
need
a
gun
need
a
teaser
okay
on
a
traffic
violation
too
many
people
are
getting
killed
and
stopped.
So
what
people
don't
want
to
say,
as
it
was
in
missouri,
the
unofficial
tax
in
part
is
when
cities
need
to
raise
revenue.
They
write
more
tickets,
okay,
which
leads
to
these
confrontations,
which
leads
to
people
knowing
they're
being
taken
advantage
of.
J
So
to
get
back
to
what
councilman
gregory
said,
reimagining
the
police
department,
I
mean
we
just
got
to
find
a
better
way
of
we
put
too
much
energy
in
traffic,
we're
thinking
the
majority
police
department,
investigating
murders
or
rape
or
breaking
into
your
home
majority.
Our
stuff
most
police
departments
goes
into
traffic.
J
We
can't,
because
I
gotta
be-
I
gotta-
listen
when
when
he
was
don't
even
wanna
call
his
name
on
on
the
gentleman's
neck.
Remember
there
were
three
other
police
officers
standing
around
two
of
them
on
his
own
remaining
of
his
body,
even
in
a
street
fight
and
jerome
and
alvin,
and
someone
else
on
this
call,
no
even
as
boys
when
one
guy
gets
the
better
of
the
other.
What
do
the
people
stand
around?
Do
you
jump
in
and
say?
Okay,
that's
enough,
you
break
the
fight
up.
J
J
Well,
they
may
say
it,
but
anyway
I
don't
think
it
will
be
believed.
So
we
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do,
I'm
happily
for
the
family,
but
I
don't
know
if
any
of
y'all
have
paid
attention
to
the
groups
of
the
of
the
mothers
across
this
country
that
have
come
together,
who
lost
children
due
to
being
murdered
by
policemen,
and
I'm
gonna
tell
you
those
those
women
are
very
knowledgeable
and
articulate
on
best
practices
that
you
need
to
be
employed
across
the
country.
J
J
G
B
B
The
decision-
and
it
really
dawned
on
me-
and
I
guess
maybe
this
is
part
of
the
work
that
we've
been
doing-
that
it
was
it's
it's
my
whiteness
previous
to
that
that
wouldn't
have
thought
that
I
had
to
sit
there
with
baited
breath
to
wait,
and
I
think
this
is
the
first
time
in
my
adult
life
that
I
really
thought
I
get
it.
I
understand
that
if
I'm
sitting
here
wondering
what
the
verdict
is,
that
in
itself
is
is
the
problem
is
the
challenge.
E
To
help
yeah,
I
I
made
the
observation
only
because
in
reading
the
charge
to
our
commission
central
to
it,
or
is
the
emotional
component
and
the
reality
of
what's
happening
nationally,
and
what
we're
trying
to
take?
What
we're
trying
to
accomplish
in
our
community
here-
and
I
just
think
it
would-
we
were
missing
since
we
had
15
minutes
if
we
didn't
reaffirm
and
reflect
and
share
some
of
that
with
with
each
other.
As
we
continue
to
move.
H
Matt
ask
a
question:
hey
dr
knight.
Yes
hey!
I
just
wanted
to
know
after
this
meeting
here.
Are
we
planning
to
have
another
one,
because
I
heard
dudley?
You
mentioned
that
once
the
council
members
receive
our
draft
and
you
all
are
gonna
and
then
jason.
You
said
this
too.
You
all
are
gonna,
look
over
it
and
then
give
us
comments
by
april
30th.
Will
those
comments
be
in
writing
or
will
it
be
via
another
meeting
where
we're
going
to
have
another
discussion.
B
H
Certainly
you
know
we
will
do
our
best
in
our
individual
subcommittee
recommendations
to
emphasize
those
points,
but
it
would
be
great
to
have
an
open
forum,
or
maybe
we
can
even
take
a
final
vote
and
just
say
on
the
table.
This
subcommittee
collectively
recommends
certain
things
out
of
all
of
us
all
of
our
recommendations
that
need
to
be
addressed
by
the
city
of
charleston,
moving
forward.
B
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
he
kind
of
kind
of
took
my
thunder
felice.
The
last
thing
I
was
going
to
mention
was
next
steps
for
for
us,
meaning
you
know
I
would
love
to
hear
from
you
all,
and
maybe
this
meeting
could
serve
that
purpose
about
what
this
commission
should
look
like
and
function
like
moving
forward.
G
Thank
you
and
police
police.
I
think
that
one
thing
needs
that
needs
to
come
from.
This
commission
is
a
recommendation
that
the
commission
is
codified,
so
that
it
will
be
here
forever,
okay
and
get
rid
of
this
90-day
whatever
that
was
so.
I
think
one
of
the
major
things
we
need
to
do
is
to
codify
it
okay
and
make
it
real
and
be
in
existence
30
40
years
from
now.
F
F
B
Thank
you,
alvin
and
dudley
and
felice.
For
that
suggestion,
amber
dudley.
Myself
will
get
together
to
figure
out
when
we're
going
to
schedule
that,
if
you
guys
have
any
questions
about
dates,
deliverables,
please
let
us
know
and
we'll
get
back
to
you
and
then
we'll.
Let
you
know
as
soon
as
the
city
council
workshops
are
are
scheduled.
B
The
hope
is
is
that
all
city
council
members
will
attend
for
both
days
so
that
that's
the
hope
and
I
will
say
to
councilman,
appel
and
waring
and
and
jackson-
and
I
don't
have
to
say
this
to
councilman
gregory.
I
I
view
the
workshops
at
least
the
two
workshops,
almost
as
a
as
a
legislative
bill.
That's
that's!
We.
We
need
a
push.
We
got
to
make
some
phone
calls.
B
I
also
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
fellow
council
members,
you
know,
jackson
and
napel
for
for
everything,
you've
done
and
councilman
waring
for
participating.
I
think
you've
made
this
journey
and
and
the
work
much
more
enriching,
and
I
also
appreciate
the
fact
that
you've
deferred
to
the
volunteers
in
some
of
this-
and
I
think,
that's
been
very
helpful
for
for
the
work
anything
else.