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From YouTube: City of Charleston Commission on History Meeting 6/8/22
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City of Charleston Commission on History Meeting 6/8/22
A
Hello,
everybody
thank
you
for
making
it
despite
the
threat
of
rain.
I
think
we
have
a
quorum.
So
thank
you
all
for
coming.
We
have
a
short
agenda,
but
there's
a
lot
on
item
three.
So
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order.
The
minutes
were
sent
out
the
april
6
very
full
some
april
6
20
22
minutes
were
sent
out.
Does
anybody
have
any
additions
or
corrections
to
them?.
B
Complex
removal
of
the
term
slave
pin
enslavement
pen
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
these
corrections
were
made.
Otherwise
the
commission
would
be
subordinating-
which
is
a
defamation
of
a
group
of
people,
pretending
that
in
some
way
or
another,
they
were
sub-human,
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
to
the
commission's
detriment
and
to
the
detriment
of
the
city
as
well.
A
It's
it's
a
valid
point.
I
do
have
to
say
that
you
know
this
is
what
we
that's
wilmot
you're
talking
about
what
we
did
at
two
meetings
ago.
I
think.
B
A
It
back
to
we
sent
it
back
to
the
state
archives.
They.
You
know,
this
is
the
edits
that
we
wanted.
They
sent
it
back
slightly
edited.
They
did
not
take
all
the
edits
and,
as
I
remember
it'll
probably
say
in
there,
I
don't
think
it
was
a.
I
don't
think
it
was
a
unanimous
vote
of
the
meeting,
but
they
did
pass
as
they
are
in
the
minutes.
B
As
I
said,
I
was
not,
I
did
not
for
some
reason.
I
wasn't
aware
of
that
meeting
or
did
not.
I
was
unable
to
attend
it
and
because
of
that,
I
thought
we
had
dealt
with
it
voted
on
it
when
we
sent
it
back
to
them.
So
it
is
not
arguing
it's
it's.
It's
the
insistence
of
someone
from
somewhere
else
who
wants
to
put
up
a
sign
in
the
city
of
charleston,
denigrating
african-american
people,
and
that
doesn't
sit
well
with
me.
A
A
A
It
was
debated
and
I
will
say
that
the
state
archives
probably
took
about
90
of
our
suggestions,
but
they
did
not
take
part
and
when
it
came
up
for
debate,
the
debate
was
possible
for
us
and
I'll
recognize
you
in
a
second
peg
to
you
know
to
change
it
and
they
did
take
it
out.
I
say
90
of
the
time.
I
think
they
kept
it
in
the
title.
Peg.
E
As
I
recall,
we
were
talking
about
also
writing
and
that
it
didn't
that
saying,
enslavement,
enslavement,
enslavement
enslavement
was
not
only
taking
up
more
things
on
a
very
small
thing,
but
it's
not
good
writing
and
I
think
that
was
part
of
the
discussion
and
that
you
cannot
use
one
word
a
hundred
times
on
anything.
If
you're
going
to
have
it
properly
written-
and
I
say
that
as
an
editor
and
a
writer
and
thank
you
for
letting
me
share.
F
If
the
wording
is
changed
on
on
these
blacks
or
any
other.
That
we
would
submit
that
to
the
archives.
With
officially
from
the
commission
as
being
a
recommended
change.
And
it
can
include
everything
that
will
not
have
said.
A
B
Because
they
contained
and
referred
to
my
ancestors
as
slaves,
they
did
not
accept
that
they
fought
against
it.
They
overthrew
it
and
there's
no
reason
why
we
should
be
sitting
here,
accepting
it
in
a
document
out
of
this
commission
in
2022,
if
it
is,
if,
if,
if
repetition,
does
not
permit
the
same
word
to
be
used,
certainly
not
a
hundred
times,
because
the
text
isn't
that
long.
B
But
certainly
repetition
is
simply
a
a
technical
issue
rather
than
an
issue
of
content,
and
certainly
not
to
be
favored
against
the
insults
and
degradation
of
an
entire
group
of
people
who
were
wrongfully-
and
I
insist
wrongfully
held
in
bondage,
and
that
kind
of
wrong
must
be
articulated
in
any
text
which
I'm
willing
to
approve.
A
I
I
I
hear
your
feeling
and
I
feel
you're
strong
and
I
I
hear
your
strength
and
your
passion
for
it,
but
it
was.
I
would
follow.
B
B
The
repetition
of
the
term
should
call
the
reader's
attention
to
the
fact
that
this
was
an
act
of
enslavement
occurring
in
the
past.
Not
not
the
designation
of
a
group
of
people
as
sub-human,.
A
All
right,
so
I
think
following
dale's
point,
so
I
think
well
so
the
way
to
navigate
this
is
we
just
have
to
say
if
this
is
a
record
of
what
we
decided
last
minutes
last
meeting
and
then,
if
you
want
to
bring
that
up,
I
think
that's
one
before
us
that
we
can
have
a
motion
to
do
that
and
then
wilmot.
If
you
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
the
language
be
amended
and
that
be
sent
back
to
colombia,
then
we
can
vote
on
that.
A
Right,
so
the
initial
item
on
the
agenda
is
approval
of
the
minutes
as
presented.
Do
people
see
any
changes
or
corrections
and
as
they're
presented?
A
B
Taken
the
floor
right
and
said
what
I
have
to
say
regarding
this,
but
I
would
present
a
motion
to
the
commission
that
the
words
the
word
slave
designating,
a
group
of
people
held
wrongfully
in
bondage
as
slave,
should
be
excised
from
the
text
and
replace
with
the
term
enslavement,
which
indicates
that
these
people
were
being
wrongfully
with
deprived
of
their
human
rights
in.
In
this
context,
in
the
context
in
which
the
the
sign
of
the
that
activity
existed,.
F
I
I
would
propose
that
that
be
written
out,
not
just
in
the
form
of
emotion,
but
an
explanation
and
justification
is
why
the
folks
in
colombia
should
make
the
change
and
I
think,
it'd
be
pretty
well
received.
If
it's
written
out
of
somewhat
formal
letter.
A
I'll
just
say
for
the
sake
of
discussion
that,
while
you
know
you
disagree
with
the
word
wilmot
slave,
if
you
actually
read
the
text
itself,
it
does
not
leave
any
doubt
within
the
text
itself
that
slavery
was
wrong,
and
you
know
that
to
me
is
the
entire
message
of
the
plaque.
A
Whereas
you
know,
I
think,
there's
you
know,
there's
the
whole
equal
more
than
the
sum
of
the
parts,
and,
if
you
I
think,
if
you
read
the
text
of
the
plaques
themselves,
you
realize
that
they
are
certainly
basically
talking
about
the
cruelties
of
slavery
and
the
injustices
of
slavery,
and
the
only
other
thing
that
I'll
put
in
for
discussion
since
this
was
approved.
You
know
it
might
be.
You
know
it
may
have
already
been.
The
die
literally
might
have
already
been
cast.
A
You
know,
since
this
was
approved
a
month
ago
and
the
state
archives
was,
you
know,
informed
of
that.
The
plaque
may
already
have
been
made.
So
I'm
just
saying
that
to
throw
that
in
there
for,
for.
E
G
Mr
chairman,
yes-
and
don't
need
to
tell
me
on
this
to
your
your
point
and
I
think
your
points
something
we
need
to
take
into
serious
consideration,
as
you
advocate
for
this
word
change,
is
there
a,
and
this
is
just
sort
of
a
clarification
more
than
anything
else
folks
were
enslaved.
E
G
So
the
complex
is
not
enslaved.
It's
just
the
term.
It's
a
it's
identifying
a
complex
with
a
word,
so
I'm
just
asking
is
it
do
we
use
the
word,
save
slave,
complex
or
enslaved
complex,
and
that
and
I
and
I
think,
that
sort
of
the
people
weren't
enslaved,
but
the
instant,
the
the
object,
the
the
building
the
location
is.
I
was
not
enslaved.
B
The
term
the
first
word
on
the
sign
is
slave.
The
initial
word
on
this.
The
spark
proposed
back
is
slave.
My
my
motion
is
to
change
that
word
to
enslavement
trading
complex
as
it
describes
that
a
commercial
activity
was
taking
place
here
in
which
people
which
attempted
to
enslave
people,
not
that
a
group
of
people
known
as
slaves
and
sub-humans
were
being
traded,
which
this
wording
implies.
E
I,
mr
chairman,
I
walked
by
there
the
other
day,
because
I
wanted
to
see
it
for
myself
and
on
the
building
is
the
word
the
mart,
and
perhaps
we
could
compromise
and
put
what
is
there.
The
caralog
did
a
nice
little
write-up
of
where
that
sign
came
from
and
how
it
got
to
be
there
and
that's
what
it's
called
and
frankly,
I
found
it
disconcerting
to
see
the
mard
on
the
wall.
Having
sat
in
these
discussions,
it's
just
a
thought.
A
So
trying
to
be
the
parliamentarian,
we
have
a
motion
before
us
are
to
further
articulated
by
dale
tealing,
saying
that
you
were
suggesting
dale.
That
it'd
be
a
much
more
formal
letter
following
this,
rather
than
just
this
motion.
F
F
In
no
way
trying
to
amend
it,
we
still
have
to
vote
on
them.
A
Right
right,
so,
if
there's
any
more
discussion,
if
we
can
have
a
vote
on
and
the
motion
is
that
this
body
notified
the
state
archives
that
changing
the
word,
I
will-
and
I
want
to
be
precise-
the
title
does
say
slave
where
it
says
slave
mart.
It
is
in
quotation,
marks
and
or
slave
pen.
That's
in
quotation
marks.
It
isn't
also
problematical
on
the
very
bottom
line.
It
says
sponsored
by
old
slave
mart,
museum
city
of
charleston.
I
think
that
is
its
technical
name
as
well.
B
That
is
the
actual
name
of
the
institution
which
pre-existed
the
city
becoming
a
part
of
it,
the
that
is
something
you
also
need
to
review.
I
I
I
would
believe
I
believe,
but
that's
not
before
the
the
commission
at
this
moment.
Okay.
A
And
again,
I
just
want
to
be
clear
so
anyway,
so
to
make
it
more
generic
to
basically
say
that
the
the
resolution
before
us
emotion
before
us
is
to
notify
the
archives
that
we
would
ask
that
they
every
time
the
word
slave
is
used
to
change
it
to
enslavement
in
salute
right
and
slave
or
enslavement.
B
B
We're
not
talking
about
a
group
of
people
who
were,
in
fact,
slaves,
and
we
need
to
get
that
concept
in
the
minds
of
people
needs
to
be
straightened
out
and
very
very
clearly.
We
can't
be
putting
up
signs
in
2022
that
designates
a
group
of
people
to.
G
E
B
A
Okay,
so
do
you
want
to
write
the
do
you
do
you
want.
A
That
we
can
send
to
them.
That'd
be
great.
Thank
you,
okay,
so
the
next,
so
we've
got
the
approval
of
the
minutes
done.
Thank
you
folks,
and
the
next
one
is
the
car
richardson
park.
Historical
information.
We've
got
people
to
present.
Does
anyone
want
to
present?
We've
got
the
information
for
us,
but
you
know
if
someone
would
like
to
give
us
an
oral
presentation
of
what's
here,
we'd
love,
to
hear
it
not
to
put
anyone
on
the
spot,
but
just
want
to
say
you're
more
than
welcome
to
just
you
know,.
H
H
They
received
it
in
february
of
2022
and
I'm
so
sorry
it
was
a
delay
getting
to
you,
but
we
were
we
completed
it
because
we
wanted
your
feedback
and
for
those
of
you
who
have
seen
it
some
of
it
is
pretty
long
and
we
understand
that
it
would
be
reviewed,
and
you
would
give
your
feedback
and
suggestions
of
how
we
might
be
able
to
revise
it
to
make
it
more
presentable.
H
As
I
said,
this
information
will
be
presented
on
the
park
in
the
form
of
markers
and
displays
in
our
presentation.
H
H
H
We
have
a
meeting
with
beth
brownlee
and
park
officials
on
june
the
14th
to
talk
about
the
financial
part
of
it,
and
we
were
told
that,
of
course,
the
park
has
been
budgeted
and,
according
to
mayor
tecklenberg,
there
was
no
separate
budget
for
the
historical
information
and
then
the
park,
all
of
it
was
together
and
so
they're
going
to
look
at
what
is
left
from
the
construction
of
the
park
and
whatever
is
left,
and
that
would
be
available
for
our
use.
H
As
a
group,
we
have
discussed
ways
that
we
might
be
able
to
raise
funds
if
we
need
to
and
reaching
out
to
our
community,
reaching
out
to
friends
of
our
community
and
former
residents
of
our
community
to
raise
funds.
H
Of
course,
we
need
to
know
how
much
we
will
have
to
we'll
actually
have
to
raise.
That's
the
missing
factor
right
there.
If
anything,
and
so
that's
a
part
of
it,
we
do
give
special
thank
you
to
rebecca
hopkins
with
neighborhood
services.
H
We
did
all
of
the
writing
of
the
information
and
we
took
all
the
pictures
and
all
of
that
but
extra
if
she
would
please
put
it
in
a
format
where
it
would
be
very
easy
for
you
to
read
and
to
follow
so
the
file
you
have.
The
first
file
is
the
historical
information,
and
the
second
file
is
our
recommendation
of
how
the
information
should
be
displayed.
H
I'm
not
sure
if
I
mentioned
that
the
name
of
the
park
will
be
the
carr
richardson
park
named
for
thomas
tobias,
carr,
the
last
mayor
of
the
town
of
maryville
and
mr
clement
richardson,
who
was
the
first
president
of
our
neighborhood
association
matter
of
fact.
He
kind
of
founded
the
organization
and
got
it
all
together
and
worked
very
hard
as
the
first
president,
and
so
it's
named
for
those
two
people.
H
Thank
you,
okay,
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
pete
some
of
the
folks
who
actually
wrote
up
the
information
are
here
tonight,
so
they
can
hear
you
know
your
feedback
and
any
suggestions
you
might
have.
A
Well,
it's
great
seeing
maryville
getting
its
due
attention,
so
y'all
may
may,
on
the
on
on
the
commission,
and
not
be
aware
of
a
recent
book
that
came
out
on
maryville.
The
preservation
society
carries
it
maryville
the
audacity
of
the
people.
Diane
hamilton
who's
right
there
with
us,
so
maybe
you'll
get
to
sign
this
but
yeah.
I
I
brought
I
brought
my
copy
here
but
anyway.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
A
Thank
you
all
that
worked
for
this
incredible
amount
of
information
and
it's
almost
an
embarrassment
of
riches,
and
you
know
I
do
think
there
are
a
number
of
ways
that
we
can
proceed.
I
would
love
to
hear
your
input
as
well,
but
since
we
do
not
know
the
final
format
and
the
final
word
length,
I
think
that
if
we
approved
every
thing
here,
you
know
we
would
no
doubt
have
to
come
back
and
change
it
at
some
point.
So
my
suggestion,
possibly
the
way
to
proceed,
is
is
following
what
you
said.
A
Miss
higgins
is
basically
to
give
recommendations
as
to
maybe
the
best
way
to
proceed
so
that
when
you
know
it's
funny,
you
don't
know
which
comes
first,
the
chicken
or
the
egg,
the
format
or
the
text.
You
know
we
don't
know
how
many
words
are
going
to
be,
and
this
is
often
that's
this.
This
is
something
that
we
struggle
with.
All
the
time
is
try
to
get
as
much
information.
You
know
to
the
public
with
the
smallest
amount
of
words
because
words
equal
money.
A
I
will
just
say-
and
I
think
and
I
think
when
we
talked
on
the
phone-
miss
higgins,
you
said
that
you
had
listened
or
you
know
when
we
changed
the
judge
fields
plaque.
You
know
we
had
suggested
that
we
put
the
important
stuff
up.
First,
you
know
and
and
if,
if
that's
okay,
to
proceed
that
way,
I
did
actually
just
do
some
numbering,
and
I
did
some
word
numbering
and
stuff
and
just
for
a
suggestion
to
maybe
to
start
the
judge
fields
plaque
which
was
approved.
A
You
know
bronze
plaque,
which
is
probably
going
to
be
several
hundred,
if
not
a
thousand
dollars
or
so
to
do
that
only
had
216
words.
The
slave,
the
enslavement
mark
plaques
that
we
just
talked
about
each
side
has
about
a
hundred
words
and
then
last
time
we
also
approved.
You
know
a
plaque
for
the
workhouse,
which
is
you
know,
basically,
a
large
sort
of
table
top
kind
of
thing.
That
only
has
360
words
where
I
did
go
through
this.
The
thomas,
tobias,
carr
senior,
has
428
words.
The
mr
richardson
senior
has
450
words.
A
The
mary
richardson
bowen,
taft
gettings
has
for
some
reason
I
could
not
format
that
one
to
get
that,
but
the
mary
matthews
just
has
over
a
thousand
words
and,
like
I
said
it's
an
embarrassment
of
riches
and
the
the
mary
ellen
green
car
has
370
words
which
is
close
to
it,
and
the
history
of
maryville
itself
has
820
words
approximately.
A
So
I
hate
I
hate
the
fact
that
money
actually
is
going
to
determine
how
many
words
get
put
out.
You
know
the
format.
I
think
there
are
numbers
of
ways
to
proceed.
You
know
the
city
can
do
bronze
plaques.
The
city
can
do
you
know
painted
on
wood,
but
it's
just
my
thought
and
I'd
love
to
hear
your
voices
rather
than
mine,
commissioners,
that
maybe
we
proceed
with
suggestions
about
how
to
resubmit
so
that
when
the
city
does
come
up
with
the
format,
we
will
be
very
close.
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
two
points.
One
is:
aren't
we
also
erecting
a
monument
to
the
goddess
named
dr
just
yeah
yeah,
that's
gonna,
be
part
of
those
packages
as
well.
G
No
yes,
and
then
I'd
like
to
hear
from
my
colleague,
councilmember
waring,
councilmember
waring,
myself
and
councilmember
sacrament
all
have
a
part
of
maryville
lashleyville,
so
we're
all
very
much
involved
in
in
this
process.
So
I
appreciate
councilwoman
being
here
this
afternoon.
A
That's
great
that's
comforting
to
here
so,
but
I
do
think
yes
ma'am,
oh
please,
and
if
you'll
identify
yourself
for
the
record,
so
yeah.
I
It's
not
just
a
park.
Thank
you.
It's
not
just
a
park,
but
it's
a
way
to
preserve
our
history
and
to
pass
it
on
for
the
future
as
well,
and
when
we
originally
looked
upon
this
task,
we
were
envisioning
opportunities
for
persons
who
come
up
to
the
exterior
of
the
building,
to
be
able
to
learn
something
and
to
see
the
connection
between
maryville
and
the
founding
of
charleston
in
the
city
of
charleston.
We
also
wanted
the
interior,
as
councilman
waring
stated,
to
have
opportunities,
and
I,
like
the
idea
of
digital.
I
I
love
the
idea
of
the
technology
inside
for
those
who
are
able
to
go
inside.
So
please
look
beyond
just
the
park.
This
is
more
to
us
and
more
to
charleston
than
just
a
park.
Thank
you.
Donna.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
donna
jacobs.
I
wanted
to
speak
technically
to
signage
and
wording
for
y'all
tonight
I
visited
the
little
museum
in
saint
augustine
called
lincolnville
cultural
center.
They
have
a
digital,
exhibit
very
much
like
the
one
that
councilman
remember
waring
spoke
of,
and
there
was
this
opportunity
that
wasn't
limited
by
words.
C
I
think
it's
going
to
be
very
hard
to
digest
those
down
and
make
it
even
educational.
In
words,
also,
I've
been
working
closely
with
the
international
african-american
museum
on
some
settlement.
Community
exhibits-
and
there
are,
there
are
no
word
limits
to
part
of
the
exhibit
at
all.
There's
depends
on
what
what
part
of
the
exhibit
you're
in
with
these
interpretive
signs
that
that
are
physical
structures
in
the
park.
It
depends
on
the
signage
we've
been
working
with
some
of
those
for
the
the
greenway
and
there.
C
So
if
I
can
be
so
bold
as
to
suggest
if
the
committee
would
vet
the
information
so
that
when
it
came
time
to
choose
a
type
of
sign
based
on
the
budget,
that
city
had
all
of
the
information
would
have
been
vetted
instead
of
us
crafting
words
right
now,
and
that
way
the
signage
type
that
was
brought
forward
would
have
all
the
information
to
choose
from
instead
of
a
limited
information,
because
a
lot
of
extensive
work
has
been
done
here
and
micro.
Editing
is
we're
not
at
that
level
like
before.
C
A
Yeah
anyone
else,
no,
I
think
anyone
else
wanting
to
speak
and
and
as
we
go
on
if
people
want
to
you
know,
address
issues
that
we're
bringing
up.
I
think
at
the
point
very
well
made
donna.
Oh
yes,
ma'am.
I
The
all
that
I
ask
is
that
with
the
signage
that
the
history
needs
to
come
from
the
family,
nobody
knew
more
about
daddy
than
we
did.
I
think
I
can't
remember
walking
without
him
putting
us
to
work
carrying
voting
street
street
improvement,
paving
the
streets.
That's
that
nathan,
we
wouldn't
pay.
I
We
we
laugh
about
it
now
because
he
said
you
know
child
labor
before
he
he
passed
away.
You
know
you
worked
us,
but
he
did
love
the
village.
I've
known
you
a
long
time,
but
of
course
I
used
to
spank
him,
but
but
but
that's
all,
I
asked
that
when
we
redo
right.
E
I
Is
that
we
have
input
in
it
right,
I've
loved
everything,
I've
heard
so
I
mean.
A
H
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
what
alfie
said
when
the
information
was
compiled.
We
paint
the
people
who
wrote
it
up.
Vincent's
althea
wrote
the
information
up
about
her
father
della
could
not
be
here
this
evening,
she's
working,
she
used
the
grand
daughter
of
thomas
to
buy
his
car
and
she
she
wrote
that
information
up
about
thomas
tobias,
car
and
mary
ellen
green
car
and
the
family
gave
input
into
it.
So
and
diane
was
involved.
She
wrote
up
the
information
about
the
history
because
she
had
already
done
that
with
her
book.
H
I
won't
tell
you
how
many
pages
she
gave
me
the
first
time
I
had
to
give
it
back
too
and
said:
that's
too
long,
but
anyhow,
so
we
try
to
capture
the
history
from
those
who
actually
knows
most
about
it
and
and
so
when
it's
read
you
could
actually
feel
you
know
the
knowledge
and
the
information
that
was
provided.
So
we
did
select
people
to
write
it
up.
Who
knew
most
about
it
and
was
more
dedicated
to
that
particular
subject.
A
I
mean
I
certainly
agree
as
I
was
saying,
and
forgive
me
my
side
vision
is
not
particularly
good,
so
if
someone's
coming
up-
and
I
don't
see
you
please
interrupt
me-
you
know-
I
think
y'all
are
obviously
the
authorities.
I
think
what
this
commission
can
do
is
you
know
we
can
maybe
be
editors
to
some
extent
because
of
our
experience
with
you
know,
trying
to
get
text
out
and
I'll.
Take
a
riff
from
what
you
were
saying.
A
A
You
know-
and
I
think
you
all
know
so
many
of
the
things
that
fit
in
between
the
sentences
that
you
know
that
complete
strangers
that
know
nothing
about
maryville
who,
by
hook
or
by
crooks,
stumble
across
there
and
I'll,
give
her,
for
instance
too
in
the
history
you
know
of
the
town
itself,
not
of
the
individual
people.
You
know,
and
I
think
it's
funny
I
think
the
most
obvious
thing
is
not
stated.
You
know
the
fact
that
the
town
probably
lost
its
charter.
A
You
know
granted
because
it
was
a
black
community
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
stated.
You
know-
and
you
know-
and
I
think
it's
because
y'all
are
the
experts.
Y'all
know
this
when
you
go
to
write
it
down,
and
so
then
that's
one
thing
that
we
often
do
here
is
that
we
have
to
think
okay,
someone
may
not
know
what
the
civil
war
is.
Someone
we
really
do
have
to.
You
know
basically
do
that.
So
that
would
be.
One
of
my
thoughts
is
to
go
back
and
you
know
write
it
for
a
complete
stranger.
A
You
know,
and
you
can't
assume.
Unfortunately,
we
have
to
assume
that
people
don't
know
anything.
You
know
you
know
they're,
you
know
there
was.
You
know
the
idea
that
many
of
the
you
know
corporation
charters
were
lost,
you
know,
because
of
the
store,
you
know
the
chain
store
kind
of
thing.
But
truly
you
know,
maryville
is
a
story
of
race
and
you
know-
and
I
think
that's
not
present
enough.
A
You
know
in
this
text
and
the
one
thing
that
I
was
saying
again
as
we
changed
dr
on
judge
field's
sign
about
is
the
most
important
thing
has
to
be
in
the
first
paragraph,
because
we
often
assume
that
people
are
not
going
to
read
the
entire
text.
A
So
instead
of
you
know,
when
you
start
talking
about
the
mayor
of
maryville,
the
first
thing
is
just
you
know
not
his
birth
date
and
when
he
was
born
and
who
he
married,
but
basically
say
you
know,
you
know,
so-and-so
was
the
mayor
of
maryville
from
so
and
so
to
such
and
place.
You
know,
you
know,
you
know
he
gave
his
heart
and
soul
whatever
to
the
community
and
then
you
go
back.
A
You
know
sort
of
like
a
newspaper
article,
putting
the
most
important
things
in
the
first
paragraph
so
that
if
only
people
read
the
first
paragraph
they
get
the
summation.
They
may
not
have
read
all
the
information
about
who
he
married
you
know
and
how
many
children
they
had
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I
do
think
a
lot
of
that's
one
thing
that
we
can
offer.
Is
you
know
when
y'all
go
back
to
do
it?
I
think
it's
all
there
and
I
do
think,
and
the
wealth
is
certainly
from
the
different
family
members.
A
You
know
that
everyone
knows
their
ancestors,
but
I
do
think
their
needs,
and
this
is
my
opinion
that
there
needs
to
be
a
uniform
voice
that,
after
these
are
all
compiled,
someone
has
to
go
through
and
fix
them,
because
I
noticed
some
are
in
the
past
tense.
Some
are
in
the
present
tense
and
sometimes
tense,
even
switches.
You
know
within
a
thing
there,
so
those
are
the
kind
of
things
you
know.
I
think
the
content
is
wonderful.
A
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
maybe
help
shape
it
so
that
the
most
obvious
things
are
brought
forward,
and
then
I'm
not
sure
if
any
of
my
co-commissioners
have
other
suggestions
based
on
what
they've
read
as
well
too
and
will
not.
B
Yes,
I'm
very
happy
to
see
this
kind
of
effort
moving
forward,
telling
you
the
story
that
I'm
very
happy
to
see
this
kind
of
effort
by
african-american
people
and
an
african-american
community
moving
forward
to
tell
the
story
of
how
they
caused
that
town
to
grow
and
all
of
the
travails
that
it
had
to
go
through
in
order
to
grow
and
persist.
B
These
things
need
to
be
known
and
understood
as
well
as
harlan
has
indicated.
I
am
hoping
I
want
to
express
the
hope
that
she
will
take
the
opportunity
to
highlight
the
work
of
interceptor.
Just
dr
just
was
not
an
ordinary
scientist.
B
He
is
sometimes
referred
to
as
a
science,
a
god
of
science,
an
apollo
science,
a
founder
of
cell
biology,
a
whole
area
of
science
in
which,
without
which
the
world
has
benefited
from,
and
to
know
that
that
started
there
in
maryville
can
help
a
lot
of
young
people
to
just
decide
that
they
want
to
be
scientists
that
they
want
to
know
more,
rather
than
sit
around
doing
things
that
are
suffering.
B
But
the
only
way
we
can
benefit
from
our
story
is,
if
we
tell
them
and
you're
signing
that
direction,
I
would
recommend
that
commission
accepted
as
the
material
provided
as
good
information
to
be
used
in
the
future
in
the
best
possible
way
to
highlight
the
soil
variability.
D
D
But
my
question
is:
has
the
has
the
city
and
considered
the
possibility
of
contracting
with
an
exhibits
designer
for
all
of
these
plaques,
because
there
has
to
be
cohesion,
and
if
there
is
the
opportunity
for
digital?
D
H
Your
question
jason,
he
did
crossfit,
he
did
mention
that,
and
hopefully
we'll
talk
about
it
more
on
june
the
14th
he
he
made
that
suggestion
he
said
there
are
resources
that
the
city
has
used
in
the
past
and
that
would
be
available
to
us
to
kind
of
pull
everything
to
you
know
I
would.
H
H
H
H
H
H
C
H
H
H
H
A
And
and
then
I
I
and
again,
I
think
we
can
help
to
suggest
with
that
kind
of
stuff
and
again,
I
think,
lead
with
the
story
of
maryville
and
then
go
to
the
people
within
maryville
and
again
you
know-
and
I
will
say
you
know
if
you
you
know,
and
we're
often
in
the
we're,
often
in
the
business
here,
of
trying
to
save
words
and
since
so
many
of
these
people
are
related.
I
would
make
sure
that
maybe
the
information
is
in
one
plaque
is
not
reproduced
again
and
another
one
when
words
really
convey.
A
Since
you
know,
I
see
that
sometimes
because
they're
related,
you
see
some
of
the
same
information
in
one
as
in
another.
That's
just,
I
guess
a
tip
of
maybe
how
to
save
words,
because
when
it
does
come
down
you
know.
Format
unfortunately,
is
going
to
drive
this,
but
I
do
think
you
know
you
know,
and
we
are
here
to
help
you
so
that
once
this
is
all
ready
to
go,
then
we
come
here
for
a
final
meeting.
You
know
that
there's
and
you
know,
editing
by
committee
is
really
slow
work.
A
You
know,
and
so
then,
like
I
said,
you
know,
if
stuff
you
know
and
I'm
more
than
willing
and
dale
tealing
and
I
had
the
same
12th
grade
english.
We
discovered
the
same
12th
grade
english
high
school
teacher.
Who
would
be
proud
of
us
today
of
catching
commas
and
stuff,
and
I
will
say
too
that
sometimes
only
a
last
name
is
given
and
not
a
first
name.
You
know
you
try
to
be
consistent
with
that.
A
variety
of
things
too.
Some
things
are
in
quotes.
A
We
don't
know
where
the
quotes
come
from.
So
you
know,
like
I
said
you
know,
give
him
land
give
him
houses.
This
is
under.
I
think
it's
referring
to
thomas
miller
under
mary
richardson
moses.
You
know
it's
the
kind
of
thing
that,
if
is
it
in
quotes
it's
good
to
know
where
it's
from
and
and
I
will
say
that
the
the
stuff
you
know
mary
matthews
just
obviously
deserves
the
largest
amount,
but
then
the
other
mary.
A
It
seems
to
be
more
about
you
know
so
many
names,
mary
richardson,
moses,
bow
and
tap
gettings
and
mr
gettings,
we
don't
have
his
first
name,
and
these
are
just
small
editorial
things
that
that
probably
take
time
to
try
to
figure
out
you
know,
and
so
then,
if
all
of
this
done
is
like
pre-loaded
beforehand,
then
we
can
do
it
too
and,
as
you
know,
as
interesting
as
her
grandfather
is
you
know
I
you
know
we
want
her
story,
so
my
thought
is,
you
know
this
actually
seems
more
about
her
antecedents
than
it
does
about
her
and
while
it's
an
incredibly
back
story
and
then
I
think
someone's
very
diplomatic
in
saying
that
christopher
columbus
bowen
has
an
intriguing
background.
A
Yes,
we
all
know
he
many
of
us
know
he
was
a
bigamist.
You
know
you
know
whatever
whatever,
so
you
know
my
thought
is,
is
you
know,
give
us
the
facts,
but
if
it's
not
jermaine,
you
know,
and
it's
it's
terrible-
that
this
is
so
interesting.
But
you
know
my
my
suggestion
would
be.
You
know
focus
it
on
the
two
mary's
on
the
people
that
made
maryville
ashleyville
what
it
is
and
help
explain.
You
know
difference
between
ashleyville
and
maryville.
A
You
know
the
different
sides
of
the
community,
but
truly
you
know
it
is
a
story
of
race
of
african
americans
achieving
something
wonderful
in
a
terrible
environment,
and
then
this
charter
being
pulled
and
and
we're
not
here
to
pull
punches.
You
know
we
have
to
tell
the
truth.
Because
again
you
know
the
cliche.
If
we
don't
tell
the
truth,
we'll
repeat
it
so
I
mean
these
are
suggestions
that
we
have,
and
you
know
and
before
the
next
meeting.
A
If
we
do
come
up
for
stuff,
you
know
if
you
want
to
send
it
to
me
for
an
editorial
eye,
but
I
love
angela's
suggestion
of
having
an
outsider
designer,
and
you
know
the
plaque
that
we
approved
at
the
last
meeting
for
the
workhouse.
The
city
has
engaged
a
firm.
You
know
to
lay
it
out
to
put
the
images
in
a
certain
way
and
they're
the
ones
that
pretty
much
dictated.
You
know
what
the
word
limit
should
be,
but
then
it
gets
fun
of
trying
to.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
all
of
you
all
for
being
here
this
afternoon,
so
I
think
that
building
on
the
comments
that
we
heard
today,
we
need
to
see
this
as
a
start,
the
beginning
part
of
all
of
us,
if
you
haven't
been
out
as
to
what
councilmember
warren
has
suggested
you
haven't
been
out
here,
you
really
do
need
to
go
to
this
park.
It's
under
construction,
there
is
higgins,
pier
is
just
about
maybe
half
a
mile
down
from
this
location.
G
That's
been
in
the
works
for
several
years,
so
this
this
corridor
of
piers
parks,
landings
along
old
town
road
is
going
to
change
the
complexity
of
west
ashley
significantly,
the
the
vistas
that
councilman
talked
about
is
the
the
views
of
charlestown
landing
are
really
breathtaking,
but
it's
also
there's
a
point:
a
sort
of
a
peninsula
that
juts
out
this
gives
you
the
most
panoramic
view
of
the
city
of
charleston
from
a
different
perspective
than
you
would
have
if
you're
from
on
james
island
or
in
other
parts
of
west
ashley.
G
It's
just
it's
a
different
feel
to
it
and
you
can
feel
the
history
connection
between
old
peninsula
charleston
and
what
wes
actually
meant
to
the
peninsula
toss
when
you,
when
you
are
out
there
and
to
your
your
point,
mr
chairman,
that
I
think
we
just
need
to
emphasize
this
as
well
that
this
this
facility
is
going
to
be
used
not
just
for
kids
to
come
to
play.
G
G
There's
the
punch
that
you
need
to
grab
someone's
attention
so
hopefully
that
when
they
read
that
first
few
lines,
they're
interested
to
hit
that
button
to
get
to
the
digital
part
of
it,
so
they'll
be
they'll,
be
more
interested
and
more
informed
as
to
what's
also
the
rest.
As
someone
said,
the
rest
of
the
story.
G
So
we
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
bring
in
the
experts
that
we
need
to
bring
in,
and
this
sort
of
outline
this
a
little
bit
more,
and
this
will
be,
it
will
be
a
work
in
progress.
I
can't
see
this
anything
else
than
the
starting
point
that
you
all
brought
this
to
us,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
follow
through
with
this.
I
think
the
text
is
wonderful.
I
love
diane's
book
by
the
way,
I've
always
learned
a
little
bit
more
about
beating
being
in
this
chair.
G
So
let's
keep
the
ball
rolling.
Let's
just
start
getting
this
thing
pushed
out
how
far
along
how
much
longer
we
have
for
the
construction,
you
think
is.
E
Supposedly,
in
august,
it's
supposed
to
be
ready,
yeah.
So,
but
let
me
say
this:
you
should
never
let
me
get
back
to
the
microphone,
but
miss
brown
was
right
in
that.
How
you
tell
the
story,
there's
gonna
be
a
walking
trail
that
goes
around
this
park
and
you
may
not
enter
at
the
same
point.
So
that
was
key.
It'd
be
great.
E
I
think
if
this
committee
could
get
a
copy
of
the
site
plan
in
between
now
and
your
next
meeting
and-
and
the
second
thing
is
that
I
know
diane-
and
I
have
talked
about
this
and
donna
jacobs-
a
historic
corridor
between
the
former
town
of
maryville,
ashen
plantation
charlestown,
landing,
there's
a
lot
of
history
there
in
the
span
of
probably
less
than
a
mile.
You
know
a
little
bit
further
back.
Was
the
old
german
internment
camp.
E
A
Yeah
so
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
this
committee
will
probably
entertain
a
motion.
You
know
saying
that
we,
you
know
we
receive
this.
We
encourage
it.
We
look
forward
to
it,
but
before
we
do
something
like
that,
I'd
be
curious.
If
y'all
have
any
specific
questions
you
know
for
us,
you
know
we
lodge
your
work
and
we
probably
will
pass
a
motion
in
a
minute
to
specifically
lodge
your
work.
But
if
you
have
any
other
specific
questions
for
us
that,
since
we're
all
assembled
now.
H
Actually,
you
answered
many
of
our
questions
this
evening
and
we
will
follow
your
recommendations
and
do
the
revisions
and
perk
it,
and
we
would
like
to
just
send
back
to
you
for
your
review
and
also
any
suggestions
you
may
have.
I
do
have
a
copy.
A
So
why
don't
I
put
this
up
here
for
people
to
look
at
when
they
want
to?
So
I
don't
want
to
prime
the
pump,
but
does
someone
want
to
make
a
motion
that
say
that
we
accept
this
information?
Shall
I
make
a
motion?
We
accept
this
information
that
we
applaud
your
efforts
and
we
are
here
to
help
you
in
any
way
to
get
this
really
worthwhile
project
done
as
speedily
and
as
historically
accurate
and
as
user-friendly
as
possible.
So
that's
my
motion.
You
have
a
second
any
discussion,
call
for
a
vote.
Dale.
F
A
A
Will
it
be
whatever
and
then
to
come
back
to
us
with
a
more
streamlined
version
so
that
when
it
does
come
up
for
approval,
we
don't
have
to
you
know:
do
a
lot
of
small
little
editing,
that'll
it'll,
be
maybe
you
know
more
streamlined
and.
D
And
I
would
add
to
that,
just
as
councilmember
waring
mentioned,
that
when
it
does
come
back
that
there's
an
actual
layout
of
where
these
signs
are
going
to
be
because
it's
going
to
help
the
commission
understand
what
you're
trying
to
convey
in
each
one
of
the
plaques
so
that
there's
no
confusion
or
rewrites
or
whatever.
At
that
point
I
mean
I
would,
I
would
hope,
there's
a
clear
sort
of
map
out
of
what's
in
the
building.
A
And
the
city
staff
are
there
to
help
you
with
that,
like
jason,
kronsberg
and
then
consultants,
you
know
that
that's
something
that
they
understand
and
what
we
do
just
apparent
that
if
we
add
to
that
is
you
know
we
try
to
put
ourselves
into
the
to
be
the
outside
objective
person
coming
upon
this,
and
that's
you
know
so
we're
not
here
to
say,
yay
or
nay
we're
here
to
try
to
help
like
I
said
envision,
what
a
stranger
would
look
at
when
they
see
it.
A
A
I'd
be
glad
to
add
mine
to
it
as
well
too.
If
you
can
read
my
handwriting,
that's
one
thing
that
and
again
but
you'll
see.
But
again
I
will
say
that
if
you
do
have
questions
about
it,
just
scan
it
and
email
me
and
the
people
can
do
it
too,
but
you'll
see
again
that
a
lot
of
my
things
are,
it
should
be,
it
should
be
capitalized.
I
mean
little
things
like
that,
but
anyway,
I'd
be
glad
to
have
mine
with,
as
well
with
the
apologies
for
my
bad
handwriting.
A
So
any
more
discussion
on
the
resolution
of
the
motion
we
have
in
front
of
us
all
in
favor
say
anyone
opposed,
I
guess
not!
So
again
we
applaud
you
for
your
work
and,
like
I
said
we
truly
are
here
to
help
you
get
it
done
and
if
we're
asking
questions
it's
you
know
we're
trying
to
be
the
outsider
to
figure
out,
because
we
want
that
story
told
and
we
want
it
told
you
know
as
clearly
and
as
concisely
as
possible.
A
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
we
have
no
nothing
else
on
the
agenda.
So
if
there
is
a
motion
that
we
okay,
that
then
any
any
debate
on
that
one.
So,
okay,
thank
you
all
for
coming
and
there's
a
map
up
here
and
there's
also
an
image
of
the
building
and
and
like
I
said,
I
will
hand
over
my
edited
version.