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City of Charleston History Commission 4/6/22
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B
And
then,
finally-
and
I
will
defer
to
whether
you
all
want
to
include
this
or
not
on
the
last
page
page
15,
would
it
be
one
two
three
four
five,
six,
seven,
eight
five
eight
paragraphs,
mr
cormick
said
it.
Otherwise
they
would
be
getting
into
new
speak.
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
for
clarification
purposes,
so
that
people
will
understand
what
that
is
put
in
the
word
orwellian.
You
speak.
I
don't
care
whether
it
goes
in
either
way,
but
that
would
only
I
don't
know.
B
A
Can
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes.
Is
there
a
second
sorry
and
call
the
question?
Everyone
in
favor
say
aye
or
raise
their
hand
or
both
I
okay,
so
the
minutes
are
approved
and
I
do
have
to
go
on
the
record
saying
the
minutes
are
just
incredible.
There
has
really
been
a
change
here.
Sorry
robert,
I
know
you're
terrified
of
change,
but
the
minutes
are
just
astonishingly
good
old
business.
A
The
judge
feels
plaque.
I
think
everyone's
got
the
text
for
it
I'll
just
say
anecdotally.
I
was
called
earlier
in
the
day
to
see
if
we
wanted
to
cancel
this
meeting
on
the
possibility
of
bad
weather,
and
I
just
said
no,
the
judge
fields.
Plaque
is
too
important.
You
know
so
we
have
to
be
here
for
that.
A
D
So
I
conferred
with
judge
jefferson,
who
claire
for
judge
fields
and
then
took
his
seat
and
she's
they're
together
all
the
time,
apparently
communicating
with
one
another,
and
she
confirmed
this
was
his
birthday.
D
That
was
the
best
we
were
able
to
do,
and
I
did
see
the
emails
with
nick
unable
to
go
through
the
other
records
as
to
what
is
recorded
for
his
birthday.
So
this
is
this
is
about
as
good
as
it's
going
to
get,
if
not
better,
and
I
and
I
did
try
to
retool
this
with
the
recommendations
and
comments
that
this
commission
had.
So
I
hope
I
captured
what
you
were
looking
for
and
I
think
it's
a
lot
better.
I
really
do
appreciate
those
input
on
this.
A
A
I'll,
let
your
nimble
fingers
because
there's
a
sorry,
it's
the
second
paragraph
yeah,
it's
the
third
line
in
the
in
the
second
paragraph
in
2013,
the
charleston
county
bar
association,
honored
judge
fields,
I
mean
when
you
put
something
in
bronze,
you
want
to
make
sure
you
got
it
right.
The
first
time.
A
A
A
I
do
not
think
I'll
ask
you
all
to
your
grammarians.
If
we
again
the
second
paragraph
next
to
the
last
line,
he
was
honored
with
the
prestigious
james
lewis
pettigrew
award.
Do
we
need
a
comma
after
in
recognition
of
his
contributions
to
the
legal
profession
in
his
community.
B
D
A
So
so
I
think
we
are
suggesting
that
that
the
charleston
county
bar
association
v
should
be
lower
case,
any
other
additions
or
corrections
that
people
see.
We
can
let
the
comma
slide.
E
So,
just
for
consistency's
sake
in
the
last
sentence
of
the
third
paragraph,
you
have
a
comma
after
in
1952.
So
should
there
be
a
comma
after
in
2013,
in
the
middle
paragraph,.
A
Okay,
we
got
a
second
and
so
then
everyone
in
favor
of
accepting
this
is
how
it's
been
slightly
amended.
Please
say
I
or
raise
their
hands
great.
We
have
it.
Thank
you
all,
and
I
hope
this
gets
done
in
a
speedy
way
and
judge
fields
gets
a
chance
to
see
it
and
not
correct
our
grammar.
A
A
Sign
one
any
thoughts,
changes
additions
and
I
think
y'all
might
have
seen
some
of
the
explanations
that
came
along
with
edwin
breden's
email
from
the
south
carolina
department
of
archives
and
history
and,
if
not
I'll,
quickly
abridge
it.
In
saying
that
we
had
gotten
an
issue
last
time
about
the
dead
house
and
he
did
explain
that
the
only
reference
to
dead
house
was
a
20th
century
mention
of
it
with
an
interview
with
somebody.
So
it's
not
contemporary.
A
So
that's
why
they
tried
to
reword
it
the
way
that
they
did
to
acknowledge
that
it
was
said
one
way.
But
you
know
so.
You
know
to
try
to
to
try
to
deal
with
our
opposition
to
not
mentioning
it,
but
putting
it
in
a
way
that
they
could
say
that
it
had
once
been
called
that,
but
not
necessarily
at
the
contemporary
time.
B
A
So
if
there
are
no
comments-
and
I
don't
mean
to
rush
people-
but
if
there
are
no
additions
or
corrections,
can
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
it
as
presented?
B
That's
approved,
I
have
one
question
sure.
Well,
we
have
another
one
to
do
too,
but
sure
it's
kind
of
transcends.
I
was
a
little
I
mean
I
was
fine
with
going
along
with
the
way
it
was.
I
was
a
little
concerned
about
the
fact
that
we're
relying
on
one
source
of
one
recollection
of
something
where
actually
what
he
said
is
early
research
showed
there
was
no
reference
to
it
and
why
he
chose
sick
house
was
because
there
were
contemporary
dwellings
like
that
and
other
slave
complexes.
B
So
I'm
just
I'm
fine
with
what
we
did,
but
I
I
will
just
say
I
think,
for
the
future.
We
have
to
be
very
careful.
We
always
have
been
very
careful
about
making
sure
that
we
really
do
feel
comfortable
with
factual
representations
as
opposed
to
taking
something
from
a
later
period
and
transposing
it
backward.
B
I
recall
when
we
were
trying
to
come
up
with
good
language
for
the
calhoun
statue
when
we
were
asked
to
do
the
I
guess
trying
to
put
it
in
context.
I
remember,
I
think
you
brought
it
up.
They
were
using
kind
of
revolutionary
language
from
the
20th
century
and
transposing
it
back,
and
we
all
agreed
that
use
of
that
was
improper,
because
that
was
not
contemporary,
and
so
I
think
in
some
ways
we've
been
lately
getting
a
little
bit
into
modern
terminology,
transposed
backward
onto
language.
B
A
I
mean,
I
think
the
point
is
well
taken.
I
do
think
you
know
that
we
had
not
had
that
term
dead
house
until
we
were
informed
that
in
the
phone
conversation
and
if
memory
serves,
I
think
the
one
reference
we
do
have
david
is
almost
a
little
bit
of
both
because,
as
I
remember
reading
edwin's
emails,
I'm
edwin
breden
that
the
one
person
who
called
it
a
dead
house-
it
was
a
wpa
slave
interview,
so
it
was
someone
who
had
been
alive
at
the
time
who
subsequently
called
it
a
dead
house.
A
So
it's
not
like
a
20th
century
person
that
would
have
had
no
memory
of
it.
So
I
I
bet
I
think
your
point
is
well
taken,
but
I
think
on
this
particular
issue
I
think
that's
on
and
I
agree
totally
with
the
professionalism
of
the
state
archives
and
I
think
that's
why
one
reason
they
allow
that
in
there,
because
the
one
person
who
did
say
it
said
it
after
the
fact,
but
was
a
contemporaneous
witness,
okay,
so
the
north,
the
north
end
of
the
slave
trading
complex
side,
one.
A
A
A
A
So
what
we
had?
We
had
approved
the
language,
so
I
think
sent
to
you
was
the
language
that
we
had
approved
subsequent
to
that
a
scholarly
book
came
to
light,
and
I
will
say
that
I
precipitated
that
about
the
workhouse,
where
it
specifically
talks
about
the
rebellion
that
happened
in
the
workhouse
published
by
cambridge
university
press.
A
You
know
this
information
had
always
been
slightly
known,
but
finally,
a
volume
came
out
specifically
on
that
and
in
in
again
I'll
take
all
credit
or
blame
in
my
review
of
the
book.
A
I
suggested
that
maybe,
since
the
city
was
going
to
put
up
a
monument
to
the
workhouse,
that
it
could
be
done
at
the
anniversary
possibly
of
this
rebellion
or
acknowledge
that
so
then
at
the
mayor's
suggestion
it
was,
it
was
asked
if
we
would
go
back
to
that
in
insert
language
to
talk
about,
maybe
some
of
the
enslaved
people
in
the
building,
not
just
the
you
know.
We
talked
about
the
architectural
thing
of
it.
A
We
talked
about
the
history
of
it,
the
placement
of
it,
but
we
didn't
actually
talk
about
any
of
the
people
in
it
and
since
now
this
is
a
well-documented
event
there.
So
basically
there's
a
very
few
very
brief
language,
there's
slight
editing
to
just
some
of
the
wording
as
to
the
positioning
of
the
workhouses
where
it
was,
and
there
is
you
know,
some
of
the
few
words
were
changed,
but
the
real
change
is,
as
you
can
see,
in
the
charleston
workhouse
and
the
illustrated
edition
we've
added
the
word.
A
The
sentence
in
july,
1849,
enslaved
nicholas
kelly,
led
a
rebellion
that
enabled
the
escape
of
36
others.
All,
however,
were
recaptured
and
kelly
two
others
were
hanged.
That's
the
substantive
change
that
we've
added
to
the
text.
The
only
other
changes
in
there
are
basically
reducing
some
of
the
size
of
the
sentences.
You
know
basically
just
to
incorporate
that
information,
so
only
a
few
words
have
been
deleted.
No
sentence
has
been
deleted.
No
sense
has
been
deleted,
but
that
sentence
has
been
added.
A
So
the
one
that
we
want
to
prove
is
the
one
that
looks
like
this.
So
if
people
want
to
spend
time
looking,
you
know
at
the
illustrated
one
and
I'm
assuming
am
I
right
that
that's
going
to
be
one
of
those
kind
of
for
lack
of
a
better
term
tabletop
sort
of
storyboard.
D
Mr
chairman,
I
have
a
question
sure
it
is
the
very
first
sentence.
I
guess
of
the
last
paragraph
at
the
workhouse
city
staff
charge
owners
for
incarcerating
enslaved
people
and
those
corrected
by
whipping
it
just
seems
kind
of
an
awkward
sentence
and
I've
read
it
a
couple
of
times
and
I'm
not
sure
what
we're
trying
to
convey
with
that
with
that.
So.
A
I
mean
one
of
the
requests
that
we
had
initially
was
that
we
would
try
to
use,
as
david
said
as
much
contemporary
language
as
we
could,
and
so
then
corrected
by
whipping
is
a
is
a
contemporary
from
the
eight
you
know
from
the
time
period.
You
know,
basically
it's
from
the
statutes,
as
I
remember
this
was
lifted
actually
from
the
statutes.
So
I
think
the
sense
of
the
sentence
is-
and
you
know
we
did
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
history
of
this.
A
So
if
you
were,
if
you
were
an
enslaved
person
on
the
streets,
you
could
be
incarcerated
there,
that's
one
thing
and
you
could
be
whipped.
They
were
two
different
categories
that
the
city
would
charge
some
this,
the
owner
of
the
enslaved
person.
You
know
we
found
him
on
the
street.
We
brought
him
in
here.
We
kept
him
here
him
or
her
here
and
we're
charging
you
so
much
per
day
for
their
room
and
board
or
we're
actually
charging
you
for
whipping
this
person
and
the
term
used
in
the
statute
is
corrected
by
whipping.
D
And
that
I
understand-
and
I
read
those
when
we
were
going
over
the
slave
apology
several
years
ago,
but
it's
the
wording
in
it
says,
and
those
corrected
by
women
at
the
workhouse
city
staff
charge
owners.
D
And
if
you
take
out
for
incarcerating
slave
people-
and
they
said
at
the
workhouse
city
staff
charge
owners
for
those
corrected
by
whipping
it,
I
don't
know
if
you
follow
what
I'm.
What
I'm
trying
to
say.
I
understand
the
term
corrected
by
whipping
it
just
sort
of
like
leaves
it
kind
of
hanging
as
to
what
message
we're
trying
to
convey.
I
mean
I
understand
what
the
city
did
and
what
the
city
charged
for
and
and
that
in
the
term
corrected
by
whitby.
It
just.
C
E
E
A
A
A
And
I'm
thinking
that
that
will
not
change
the
number
of
characters
too
much
because
we're
getting
rid
of
some
letters
and
adding
some
letters
or
any
other
thoughts
and
again
give
you
time
to
read
and
do
please
your
squint
and
read
the
captions.
B
But
it
it
goes
back
to
something
that
we
talked
about
earlier,
which
is
the
use
of
certain
language
and
the
essential
refusal
to
use
certain
language.
I
I
saw
a
really
good
article
robert
bear,
whoever
everybody
knows
robert,
who,
I
think
everybody
would
agree,
is
a
really
good
writer.
He
wrote
a
very
good
article
about
the
new
book
about
denmark,
vesey.
It
appeared
in
the
sunday
paper
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
there
were
six
references
in
the
article
to
either
slaves
or
enslaved
or
whatever,
and
he
did
that.
B
I
know
to
modulate
it.
So
he
didn't
repeat
the
same
word
every
time,
and
yet
we've
now
gotten
ourselves
into
the
habit,
at
least
recently
of
only
repeating
the
same
words
to
me.
His
approach,
which
is
what
I've
always
advocated,
is
just
to
modulate
it
to
make
it
read
better
and
make
it
sound
better,
and
so
I
just
give
you
an
example
in
this
first
paragraph
where
it
says,
captured
runaway
enslaved
people.
Well,
you
know
you
can
say
in
two
words
one
word
we
used
to
always
talk
about
economy
of
language.
B
All
I'm
just
saying
you
know
it
can
stay.
The
way
it
is,
but
I
just
raise
that
as
an
example
of
of
what
we're
doing
and
we're
doing
it
for
a
reason
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
real
history
and
and
the
real
way
you
really
write
so
and
robert
does
get
it
and
robert
doesn't
keep
it
so
that
you
read
the
same
thing
over
and
over
you
use
synonyms.
You
use
interchangeable
language.
A
Right,
I
do
think
we
went
over
ways
to
not
repeat
things
in
the
same
place.
You
know
in
the
same
sentence,
and
I
will
just
say
for
the
record.
The
last
thing
that
we
approved
does
say:
slaves
exactly.
C
B
A
long
talk
with
with
eric
emerson
about
it,
he
said
we
can't
put
in
three
words
when
two
will
do
or
five
words
when
three
will
do
right.
C
A
But
again
for
the
record,
and
I'm
not
necessarily
saying
this
is
my
position,
but
I
will
say
that
for
the
record
there
is
an
incredible
amount
of
pushback
against
using
language
that
has
historically
been
used
as
basically
insensitive
and
you
know
reducing
a
person
to
a
status.
A
You
know
and
not
an
adjective
so
making
someone
a
slave
instead
of
an
enslaved
person.
That
is
the
argument
that
is
often
raised.
It's
almost
similar
to
we
didn't
used
to.
We
didn't
used
to
capitalize
the
word
black.
B
A
Right
but
I
do
think
we're
trying
to
use
historical
language
by
putting
it
in
quotes.
You
know,
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
if
you
wanted
to
make
it
a
specific
suggestion,.
B
A
Right
and
again,
you
know,
I
think
we
we
touched
on
that
last
time
when
that
that
prompted
your
comment
about
newspeak,
you
know,
are
we
really
gonna
define
what
language
we
use,
and
I
just
think
you
know.
I
have
faith
in
this
commission
one
where
we
have
a
rigorous
loyalty
to
facts,
but
we're
all
really
good
at
language
as
well
too,
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
redundancy
and
that
the
same
phrase
is
not
repeated
in
the
same
sentence,
at
least
but
again
I'll.
A
Give
you
all
time
to
read
more
if
people
need
so
is
that
is
that
the
only
sentence
that
people
want
to
change
but
again
give
people
more
time.
A
Any
so
we
have
amended
the
first
sentence
of
the
final
paragraph
owners
were
charged
by
the
city
for
incarcerating
enslaved
people
and
for
others,
and
for
those
corrected
by
whipping
in
quotation
marks.
Any
other
suggested
changes
or
remediations
and
and
do
let
me
know
if
you
need
more
time.
A
A
Well,
gosh
with
that
praise
thanks.
This
was
not
contentious
so
but
anyway,
so
okay
put
your
green
light
on.
If
it's
witty,
yes,.
C
A
And
the
only
thing
that
I
have
for
information,
whether
it's
going
to
involve
this
committee
or
not
commission
or
not,
I'm
not
sure
that
you
might
have
read
in
the
paper
recently.
You
know
about
beaufort
being
the
site
of
the
reconstruction
history.
The
mayor
has
suggested
that
a
number
of
sites,
maybe
in
the
city
of
charleston,
be
nominated
for
that.
But
in
my
comment
to
the
mayor,
was
we've
already
actually
approved
many
a
plaque
that
already
has
that
kind
of
thing.
A
You
know
we
had
approved
the
thing
for
on
queen
street
sorry,
his
name
escapes
me
now,
although
I
emailed
him,
you
know
the
first
african-american
to
hold
statewide
office,
jonathan
jasper,
wright.
You
know:
we've
we've
already
approved
that
plaque
on
queen
street
that
already
exists.
There's
a
mojo
plaque
on
pitt
street
that
already
exists
on
for
alonzo
rancier.
So
I
think
at
some
point
like
just
again
for
information.
I
think
at
the
last
meeting
we.
A
Right,
there's
right
that
the
1868
right-
and
that
was
the
first
one
right.
We
approved
language
for
that
one
as
well
too,
just
down
the
street
you're,
absolutely
right
david.
So
I
do
think
you
know
that
maybe
charleston's
reconstruction
history
will
be
acknowledged
as
well
too,
but
obviously
if
new
information
or
new
plaques
come
up
along
that
it'll
come
before
us
and
again,
I'm
just
passing
that
along
for
information.