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City of Charleston Committee on Community Development 9/21/23
A
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Okay
moving.
Second,
let
me
take
do
business
first
and
old
business.
Second,
oh
both
by
Spade
by
saying
aye
aye.
What
was
his
name
so
that
would
be
doing
so.
It'll
be
a
startup
with
D1
D1
is
under
new
business.
The
status
of
affordable
housing
development
at
573,
Meeting
Street,
the
Michaels
company
and
the
Stacy
okay
who's
going
to
present
that.
I
I
will
lead
us
off
Mr,
chairman
and
Mr
Mayor
and
other
members
of
council.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
provide
you
all
with
an
update.
Some
of
you
are
familiar
with
this
project.
Some
of
you
might
be
a
little
bit
newer
to
it.
So
we'll
start
off
with
just
a
quick
overview
and
I'm,
not
sure,
are
we
sharing
the
slides,
Gianna
or
people
looking
on
their
own.
F
C
I
Do
sorry,
I
wasn't
sure
who
had
permission
to
drive
here
so
while
we're
pulling
that
up
with
us
or
with
me
today
is
Bruce
Morgan?
Who
is
a
senior
vice
president
with
the
Michaels
organization
and
the
Michaels
development
company?
Who
is
a
key
partner
in
this
effort
with
us
and
I'm
trying
to
talk
and
click
at
the
same
time?
I
I
All
right,
I
am
hoping
you're
seeing
the
right
screen
there
is
that
the
573
Meeting
Street
project
slide
on
your
end.
Yes,
yes,
okay!
Thank
you.
You
think
we
would
be
used
to
this
after
three
years
of
of
zooming
everything,
so
just
by
quick
refresher,
the
573
Meeting
Street
project
will
be
located
at
the
former
location
of
the
crisis,
Ministry
shelter
that
many
of
you
remember
and
have
been
supportive
of
over
the
years
literally
right
outside
my
window
here,
if
I
gesture
to
the
back.
I
So
that
kind
of
is
our
development
team
who
have
really
been
working
together
to
move
this
project
forward,
quick
reminder
of
this
project
or
overview
or
introduction.
There
will
be
70
units
of
affordable
housing,
primarily
Studios,
some
one
bedrooms
and
some
two
bedrooms
and
again
the
target
population
for
these
units
are
individuals
moving
out
of
homelessness.
So,
in
all
likelihood,
this
will
be
individuals
who
are
on
some
sort
of
entitlement
income,
limited
income
veterans,
benefits,
disability
benefits.
I
So
really
the
partnership
with
the
City
of
Charleston
housing
authority
to
provide
project-based
vouchers
is
key
to
make
sure
that
this
project
can
operate
and
that
we
have
the
the
rental
Revenue
coming
in
to
make
the
project
viable
long
term.
The
City
of
Charleston,
Housing
Authority
came
on
very
early
in
the
project
and
really
has
been
a
great
partner
as
well
in
believing
in
the
value
seeing
the
value
of
creating
housing
specifically
for
individuals
moving
out
of
homelessness
or
with
a
recent
history
of
homelessness.
Here
in
our
community
and.
I
E
I
Particularly
the
renters
that
we're
targeting
that
voucher,
being
able
to
to
provide
the
full
rental
and
utility
coverage
is,
is
critical.
This
target
market.
Yes,
thank
you
councilman.
Just
a
quick
reminder.
Upper
Meeting
Street
here
this
is
a
six-story
building
starting
to
to
blend
in
or
will
blend
in
more
with
the
fabric
as
the
fabric
of
Meeting
Street
is
really
changing.
Mixed
use
development.
So
the
first
floor
is
your
residential
support.
I
I
We
learned
a
lot
of
lessons
during
coven
and
really
infused
even
some
of
those
lessons
into
here.
So
the
the
shelter
floor
will
really
feel
again
more
like
Apartments,
just
minus
a
kitchen,
so
that's
kind
of
the
overview
of
the
the
actual
project.
Again,
those
vouchers
are
important,
because
the
individuals
here
will
pay
no
more
than
30
percent
of
their
limited
income
on
rent
and
utilities.
J
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
very
much
for
inviting
us
to
appear
before
you
this
afternoon.
My
name
is
Bruce
Morgan
I'm,
a
senior
vice
president
with
the
Michaels
organization
and
I
oversee
multi-family
activities
in
the
Southeastern
portion
of
the
United
States.
My
office
is
in
Sarasota
Florida,
so
this
is
a
little
over
a
36
million
dollar
project.
Unfortunately,
we've
been
delayed
for
a
couple
years.
J
Initially,
when
we
were
going
to
close
in
2019,
we
were
delayed
because
of
covid
and
the
delays
that
really
impacted
everybody
that
we
then
became
caught
up
in
the
inflation.
That
was
the
byproduct
of
covid,
which
required
us
to
raise
some
more
money
and
most
pressing
was
our
need
to
raise
more
volume
cap,
which
is
Bond
funding,
which
is
a
requirement
of
the
four
percent
tax
credit
program.
J
We
we
have
those
funds
in
hand
now,
and
we
anticipate
a
construction
loan
closing
and
a
groundbreaking
by
the
end
of
the
first
quarter
of
next
year.
Right
now,
our
sources
of
funds
include
17
million
dollars
of
tax
credit,
equity,
Stacy
and
180.
Place
were
very
successful
in
pulling
together
a
number
of
different
sources
of
funds
which
total
7
million
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
The
Climb
Foundation
graciously
gave
us
three
million
dollars.
The
City
of
Charleston
once
again,
graciously
gave
us
an
additional
three
million.
J
The
South
Carolina
Department
of
Mental
Health
provided
for
125
thousand
dollars.
Charleston
County
through
arpa
funds
provided
two
million
dollars,
and
recently
we've
been
the
beneficiary
of
this
inflation
in
kind
of
a
reversal
where
the
Section
8
certificates
had
a
rather
large
jump,
which
allowed
us
to
add
three
point:
almost
3.2
million
dollars
in
First
Mortgage
proceeds
from
Freddie
Mac
Stacy.
If
you
switch
to
the
next
slide,
our
land
costs
are
one
million
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Construction
costs
went
up
to
23
million
500.
J
Our
soft
costs,
The
Architects
the
interest,
the
engineering
expenses
total
10
million
five.
Our
reserves
are
at
485
thousand
dollars
for
a
total
project,
cost
of
36
million
three
hundred
and
forty
two
thousand
one
hundred
and
eighty
dollars.
As
I
said,
when
I
first
started,
the
state
of
South
Carolina
just
notified
Us
in
the
last
two
weeks
that
our
request
for
additional
volume
cap,
which
goes
along
with
the
four
percent
tax
credits,
has
been
approved.
This
is
effectively
a
loan
which
we
will
be
paying
back.
J
K
Persons
and
bronze
God,
if
I,
can
also
add
comment-wise
I
re-anticipate
some
additional
meetings
between
the
statement,
housing
authority
and
the
state
fiscal
accountability.
Authority
that
will
finalize
that
final
allocation
request
for
the
additional
Farm
bond
amount
in
the
state
sealing
amount
that
will
be
necessary
for
closing,
but
we've
received
as
cruises
from
entering
the
team
full
assurances
of
headed
towards
completion.
For
that,
so
we've
decided
to
finally
see
some
news.
K
With
the
you
know:
State
Physical,
accountability,
Authority
about
the
date
at
which
it
would
give
its
final
issuance
opportunity
increased
bond
amount
of
improved
State
ceiling
for
this
project
that
we
hope
to
know
then,
within
the
next
few
weeks.
But
we
are
certainly
in
a
much
better
place
with
a
lot
greater
Clarity
to
move
this
project
forward
than
we
have
been
in
past
times
since
I
think
that's
as
an
indicated.
A
first
quarter
closing
certainly
is
within
sight
and
ability.
K
We're
very
appreciative
and
thankful
for
the
city
of
support
might
say
before
practicing
law,
I
used
to
be
a
community
development
director
and
used
to
overseeing
Housing
Programs,
along
with
zoning
programs
for
a
number
of
years
to
a
large
local
County
and
one
of
the
best
colleagues
I
knew
in
the
state
of
South.
Carolina
was
Gianna
Charles
Johnson.
It's
always
good
to
see
her
and
you
all
are
very
fortunate
to
have
her
on
the
team
here.
A
F
K
G
Have
a
question
yeah,
if
you
don't
mind,
please,
sir,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
you
all
know,
y'all
have
been
anxiously
waiting
to
get
this
thing
going
for
a
few
years
now.
Needless
to
say,
we
have
been
too
we've
been
wanting
you
to
be
successful
and
moving
forward.
I
guess.
Maybe
this
is
just
a
sign
of
impatience,
but
I
mean
if,
if
we
have
the
funding
resolved
now,
I
I
think
y'all.
Have
your
all
your
city
approvals
and
permits
can't
can't
we
break
ground
sooner
than
the
end
of
the
first
quarter.
K
Plan
for
approving
the
projects
and
the
sort
of
big
picture,
this
project
certainly
would
have
been
well
underway,
probably
before
now,
but
as
we
all
know
that
the
state
caused
all
issuance
of
private
activity,
housing
bonds
with
the
review
of
legislation
to
change
the
low-income
housing
tax
credit
at
the
state
level
and,
along
with
that,
came
a
number
of
regulatory
changes,
and
this
may
come
as
a
big
surprise
to
everyone
involved.
So
please
I
hope
everyone's
seated.
But
there
came
about
this
little
thing.
Called
inflation
in
the
process.
K
I
think
we've
heard
that
term
ad
nausea
and
certainly
productivity
housing
bonds
have
to
meet
for
What's
called
the
50
test,
meaning
at
least
50
percent
of
the
at
least
50.
More
than
50
percent
of
the
qualified
cost
for
the
project
have
to
be
funded
through
Bond
issuance,
and
so
we
were
at
a
point
where
the
amount
that
had
been
approved
wasn't
going
to
match
pressure
out
with
meeting
that
15
since
which
necessitated
an
additional
par
bond
amount
of
about
three
million
dollars
and
also
an
additional
amount
of
the
states
ceiling.
K
K
But
the
procedural
steps
according
to
state
law
require
that
the
issuer
advised
with
the
state
housing
will
have
to
approve
a
final
resolution,
along
with
the
state
fiscal
accountability
Authority,
which
is
the
governor
of
the
chairman
of
ways
and
means
for
the
House
and
Senate
Finance
share
the
treasury
of
the
Comptroller
General.
That
Committee
of
five
has
to
approve
the
final
issuance
and
we
have
yet
to
receive
the
date
when
they
will
take
this
up
on
the
agenda.
I've
been
in
contact
with
state
housing's,
general
counsel
and
the
general
counsel.
K
Today,
40
was
called
the
sfaa
on
this
matter.
Those
two
steps:
State
housing's
Bond
approval
and
the
sfaa's
final
issuance
approval-
are
the
steps
that
must
take
place
prior
to
closing,
there's
some
other
components
that
you
start
sub
to
delayed
review
that
are
a
big
part
of
it,
but
from
a
state
level
perspective
in
terms
of
getting
us.
The
closing
those
are
the
two
big
points
that
procedurally
still
remain.
We
have
every
expectation
that
would
take
place.
It's
just
scheduling
that
which
we're
entirely
at
the
mercy
of
the
state
to
do
so.
Mr
Mayor.
K
To
answer
your
question
about
why
we
couldn't
close
this
here.
That's
the
why
there
we've
got
to
get
those
two
sort
of
ministerial
actions
to
take
place,
those
two
State
learners,
but
we
have
every
expectation
at
this
point
that
we
will
proceed
in
trust
me.
We
are
pushing
daily
with
calls
emails.
Everything
we
possibly
can
to
get
this
across
the
finish
line.
I
And
Mr
Mayor
too,
because
the
city
has
been
such
a
huge
partner
and
this
project
has
been
permitted
and
met
all
of
our
approvals
on
probably
a
record
timeline,
just
a
huge
push
in
that
direction.
A
lot
of
stuff
going
on
behind
the
scenes,
I'm
sure
we
have
done
everything
at
the
site
that
we
can
do
without
jeopardizing
any
of
those
other
steps
that
Ron
just
pointed
out.
I
So
there
are
certain
things
we
can't
do
on
the
literal
573
site,
but
back
in
June
we
demolished
the
building
that
needed
to
come
down
to
create
the
space
for
the
parking
we've.
The
site
is
prepped,
we're
in
constant
communication
with
storm
water,
permitting
to
make
sure
all
the
pre-construction
fencing
and
everything
so
everything
we
could
possibly
do
to
get
the
site
ready
without
you
know
creating
some
other
challenge.
That
Ron
then
has
to
go
unravel
we're
doing
so.
I
G
Ron,
if
anything
is
appropriate
for
us
to
call
somebody
or
to
help
in
any
way,
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
to
us.
I
don't
know
if
we
can
be
of
any
help,
but
we'd
certainly
be
glad
to,
and
and
lastly,
Mr
chairman
and
and
I
guess,
just
for
the
record
and
give
give
the
City
of
Charleston
a
little
credit
where
I
think
it's
due
and
and
all
thankfulness
to
the
climb
fund.
G
There
are
Partners
100
on
on
many
different
projects,
and
matters
I
do
believe.
The
three
million
that
that
came
from
them
was
part
of
the
settlement
money
that
the
city
basically
helped
direct
as
to
where
the
climb
fund
ought
to
make
those
Investments.
So
so,
in
a
way
that
six,
six
million
dollar
contribution
really
is
is
is
from
from
all
of
us,
from
from
from
our
citizens,
from
the
city
of
Charleston,
so
and,
and
that
shows
our
little
level
of
commitment
Stacy
to
what
you're
doing
so.
G
I
We
still
believe
this
is
a
true
model
for
a
public-private
partnership,
a
complicated
one
for
sure,
but
absolutely
city
has
been
in
lockstep
with
us
for
years
now
and
we
really
appreciate
it
and
cannot
overstate
how
critical
that
support
is
and
I'm
sure
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
members
of
council
or
for
you,
Mr
Mayor,
to
weigh
in
we'll
follow
Ron's
lead
on
that.
But
this
has
been
a
long
time
coming.
B
I
B
L
B
L
No
I
think
it's
one
thing:
we
need
to
know
one
of
the
portions
of
the
money
that
the
city
got
to
do
this
Mr
mayor
council
member
and
this
may
be
the
new
to
councilman
Pell
with
some
of
the
money
from
the
settlement
from
Charleston.
Please
yeah
and
again
thank
God.
We
had
those
dollars
and-
and
you
all
can
apply
them
so
appropriately.
So
thanks
a
lot.
B
K
M
All
right,
great,
well
I,
appreciate
y'all
letting
me
come
and
talk
to
you
all
about
low
line
kind
of
a
little
bit
like
573
Meeting
Street.
We
we've
it's
been
a
it's
been
a
long
road
and
I
think
we're
hopefully
getting
close
to
the
to
the
kind
of
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel
and
and
excited
about
where
low
Line's
headed
so
just
a
little
bit
of
background
of
an
he
which
I
think
most
of
you
are
familiar
with.
M
M
We're
going
to
appeal
that
decision
just
to
see
if
there's
any
other
money
that
they
could
provide
to
us
to
help.
Hopefully
fill
this
shortfall,
but
you
know
I
think
we're
working
actively
on
it.
One
thing
we
did
just
recently
get
done
was
we
had
the
Charleston
Housing
Authority
provide
a
13
project-based
vouchers
to
the
project
which
are
going
to
help
a
little
bit
of
a
shot
in
the
arm
for
because
we
have
a
large
contingent
of
30
units
here.
M
So
it
was
kind
of
a
meeting
of
Mines
with
the
Charleston
Housing
Authority
that
those
units
could
be
best
served
by
some
project-based
vouchers
that
they
have
and
they're
going
to
be
our
neighbors.
So
it
made
sense
to
to
become
a
partner
with
them
on
on
this
project,
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
cycle
through
a
couple
of
renderings
of
our
project,
I
think
you'll
see
when
we
worked
with
the
bar.
We
we
went
through
a
couple
iterations
with
them
on
the
design
of
the
project.
M
This
is
this
is
looking
from
the
the
future
low
line,
Low
Country
low
line,
so
this
is
this-
would
be
from
the
Lanier
Park.
Looking
back
towards
King
Street,
our
project
is,
is
going
to
be
four
and
five
stories
and
it's
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
handsome
looking
project
as
as
some
of
the
bar
members
we're
using
that
term.
M
A
lot
and
the
site
plan
I
think
just
one
thing:
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
Orient
everybody
we're
behind
676
King
Street,
the
Charleston
Housing
Authority
project,
the
the
gray
area
that
you
see
there
to
the
right.
That's
gonna
be
parking
for
both
our
project,
the
Housing
Authority
project
and
also
for
the
linear,
Park.
It's
it's.
It's
currently
just
a
gravel
lot
right
across
the
street
from
the
recovery
room
bar
and
restaurant.
If
you
all
are
familiar
with
that.
So
that's
that's!
M
A
a
betterment
I
think
that
we're
excited
about
is
is
providing
some
parking
for
the
city,
but
also
parking
for
us
and
improving
that
area
and
just
providing
a
public
amenity
that
will
be
used
by
people
using
the
park
quickly.
Here's
some
sources
and
uses
as
we
sit
today
so
right
now
we're
currently
budgeting
this
for
a
34
million
dollar
project.
M
That's
what
the
number
that
we're
attacking
right
now
and
we're
working
on
trying
to
get
some
construction
savings
through
alternative
means
and
methods
and
we're
also
just
trying
to
work
through
getting
some
additional
funds
from
the
state
scene
if
there's
some
available
so
quickly,
that's
I,
spin,
through
here's
kind
of
our
next
steps,
our
plan
of
attack
from
the
for
the
remainder
this
year.
So
we're
appealing
the
funding
decisions.
We
we
literally
did
that
today
we
send
in
our
appeal
we're
vetting
out
our
alternative
means
and
methods.
M
So
so
what
it
is
is
right
now,
as
a
Project's
currently
designed
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
built
as
a
wood
frame
construction,
but
with
the
different
fire
restrictions
and
different
fire
standards
we
need
to.
We
need
to
have
on
that
building.
It
might
make
sense
for
us
to
to
go
to
a
possibly
a
precast
concrete
product
which
would
help
us
on
our
insurance
rates.
M
So
we're
working
through
that,
seeing
the
savings
that
are
going
to
come
from
that
and
also
from
insurance
wise
there
may
be
a
potential
resubmittal
to
the
bar
just
to
show
them
the
new
material.
The
design
will
not
change
at
all,
really
it's
it's
just
going
to
be
the
same
design,
just
the
different
material
and
then
we're
working
through
the
rest
of
this
year,
solving
our
funding
Gap
and
getting
into
a
closing,
hopefully
by
the
end
of
quarter,
one
2024
for
for
lucky.
M
So
we're
continuing
to
work
through
this
project
and
and
excited
about
it.
It's
it's
been
a
long
winding
road.
As
it's
been
for
573
meeting
there's.
You
know
there
was
the
the
pause
on
on
projects
and
then
that
looks
like
the
thawing
that's
happening
currently,
so
we're
excited
that
SC
housing
seems
to
be
opening
up
again.
M
Additionally,
we
need
to
go
in
for
some
additional
Bond
cap
allocation,
just
like
573
Meeting
Street,
because
our
the
original
bond
amount
that
we
asked
for
has
been
far
outstripped
by
the
50
test.
So
we'll
continue
to
work
through
this
and
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
you
all
may
have,
or
or
talk
through
any
of
the
details
of
things
that
I've
just
discussed.
Okay,.
B
M
B
B
N
N
Housing
developer
in
the
United
States
of
America
would
have
challenges,
because
you
guys
are
some
of
the
best
in
the
business
and
so
part
of
what
we
do
with
the
CD
committee
is
not
just
oversee
these
great
projects
that
we've
been
talking
about
today.
You
know
these
these
Partnerships,
but
we
want
to
make
it
easy
easier
for
for
anybody
to
come
forward
and
develop
housing
in
an
affordable
manner,
so
you're
in
a
safe
space.
We
promise
nothing,
you
say,
can
or
will
be
used
against.
N
M
We
we
work
all
throughout
South,
Carolina,
North
Carolina,
one
of
the
most
committed
municipalities,
the
two
affordable
housing
and
kind
of
putting
your
money
where
your
mouth
is
a
little
bit
so
I
I
appreciate
that,
and
you
know
I
think
that's
a
it's.
It's
definitely
helped
I.
You
know
if
you
weren't
so
committed
to
this
project,
it
would
have
not
been
where
it
is.
M
It
would
have
probably
died
a
long
time
ago
and
I
would
say
you
know
the
thing
that
is
has
been
difficult
to
navigate
and-
and
we
understood
it
going
in,
but
was
just
Board
of
Architectural
Review
I.
Think
we
understood
where
they're
coming
from
trying
to
make
the
best
project
possible,
but
they
definitely
added
some
cost
to
a
project
that
probably
didn't
need
a
dollar
to
be
added,
and
so
you
know
it's
gonna
is
gonna.
M
Be
expensive
period
and
I
think
that
we
added
some
cost
that
that
is
just
I,
wouldn't
say
unnecessary
because
it
looks
great,
but
it's
it's
definitely
it's
definitely.
You
know
added
to
a
project
that
we're
trying
to
keep
affordable
and
trying
to
keep
trying
to
keep
on
the
on
the
on
the
rails
and
it's
it
just
added
some
cost
through
some
iterations,
which
that
was
difficult
to
navigate
through,
but
I
think
we
got
through
and
we
have
what
we
have
now
and
that's
the
that's.
M
The
kind
of
puzzle
we're
solving
right
now
is
just
trying
to
make
it
make
it
work
with
the
construction
budget.
We
have
right
now
the
the
numbers
have
been
kind
of
eye-popping
across
the
board
in
South,
Carolina,
North,
Carolina
and
and
really
everywhere
over
the
last
couple
years.
But
certainly
this
project
has
has
really
been
a
high
water
mark
of
of
construction
prices,
just
based
on
some
of
the
decisions
that
we
needed
to
make
in
terms
of
design
to
get
through
the
bar.
M
I,
don't
know
if
it
if
it's
a
total
of
a
million
dollars
that
they
added
but
I
can
certainly
say
with
probably
pretty
pretty
good
confidence.
They
probably
added
a
quarter
to
a
half
a
million
dollars.
You
know
we
we
had
to
add
a
mural
on
the
project.
What
I
I?
Really
like?
It's
it's
a
really!
It's
our
eye-catching
detail
on
the
project.
We
had
to
add
a
mural
to
kind
of
appease
some
some
comments
and,
and
that
cost
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
right
there
that
we
probably
wouldn't
have
had.
M
We
would
have
just
had
some
painting
on
there,
so
it's
not
the
total
of
the
million
dollars,
but
it
is
part
of
it
and
you
know
it
also
to
be
fair.
You
know
just
the
fire
district
we're
in
it's
we're
in
a
historic
district,
so
we
have
to
do
some
different
construction
methods
for
the
fire
district,
which
just
added
costs
to
the
project
period,
but
it
it's
we're
we're
navigating
through
it
I'm
cautiously
optimistic
on
this
new
method
that
we're
going
to
look
at
for
construction.
E
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
councilmember
pale
and
Gregory
for
those
questions.
Let
me
ask:
can
you
go
through
if
you
have
anything
quick,
bringing
the
infrastructure
back
in
there
like
the
water
in
the
sewer?
Do
you
have
any
handle
them?
What
that
cost
is
I
mean
we,
we
do
have
a
sister
relation
sister
brother
relationship
with
Charleston
Water,
Systems
I'm,
just
wondering.
Were
there
any
accommodations
recorded
to
the
cost
of
this
project.
M
B
M
Yeah
all
right
so
infrastructure
we're
gonna,
bring
in
we're
going
to
bring
all
the
utilities
down
this.
So
they
kind
of
stop
right
here.
We're
gonna!
If
you
can
see
my
my
cursor,
they
kind
of
stop
right
around
H
Street,
we're
gonna,
bring
them
all
the
way
to
our
project
and
then
we're
gonna.
Add
some
some
infrastructure
in
around
the
park
area.
M
We're
we're
working
with
remark,
studio,
Landscape
Architects
and
there
they've
been
really
great
to
work
with
about
incorporating
kind
of
what
the
plan
is
for
the
Low
Country
low
line
into
our
project.
So
I
wouldn't
say
it's
going
to
be
seamless
but
I
think
it's
it.
We're
we're
using
the
same
design.
M
B
N
B
O
Yep
thanks
mayor
and
Council
for
and
Gianna
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
all
today
give
you
an
update
on
the
project
that
grows
on
John's
Island
this
site
was
a
city
or
is
is
city-owned
land.
We
were
successful
in
obtaining
the
opportunity
to
develop
this
parcel
through
RFP
from
the
city
a
a
year
or
so
ago.
We
were
able
to
apply
for
tax
credits
in
the
2022
9
cycle
and
and
we're
successful,
so
we've
obtained
funding
for
the
rental
component
of
this
project.
O
The
development
team
on
this
project
is
resource
housing
group
ourself.
We
are
an
affordable
housing
developer
who
has
been
in
business
since
1997
developed
over
50
communities
in
the
Southeast
we
are
currently
submitting
and
developing
communities
in
seven
states
in
the
across
the
United
States,
mainly
in
the
southeast
South
Carolina's,
been
a
state
that
we've
worked
in
extensively
in
in
our
past
history.
O
The
two
owners
on
the
property
will
be
resource,
housing,
group
and
edu
housing.
Edu
housing
is
also
a
non-profit
organization
based
in
Atlanta.
They
are
more
of
a
Supportive
Services
Group.
They
are
going
to
supply
Supportive
Services
to
this
project
and
they
focus
particularly
on
Education
Services,
so
they
will
supply
services
to
the
to
the
students
of
of
the
community
tutoring
Services,
as
well
as
other
Supportive
Services
that
are
within
their
scope.
The
engineer
on
the
project
is
Kimberly.
Horn
they've
got
a
local
office
here
in
Charleston.
O
We
are
using
that
office
on
engineering.
The
architect
is
Steel
Group
Architects
out
of
Winston-Salem
they've
done
numerous
projects
in
South,
Carolina
they've
worked
on
projects
in
Charleston,
as
well
as
North
Carolina
as
well,
and
the
general
contractor
currently
selected
is
creative
Builders.
They
are
a
Greenville
South
Carolina
firm.
They
they
do
lots
of
work
in
South,
Carolina
and
I
know
that
lots
of
developers
that
have
come
to
Charleston
and
developed,
affordable
projects
in
Charleston
have
also
used
them.
O
O
O
The
unit
mix
and
and
rental
rates
are
in
this
graph,
as
you
can
see
in
front
of
you
what
it
comes
down
to
is
12
one
bedroom
units,
39
two
bedroom
units
and
39
three
bedroom
units,
ranging
from
236
dollars
for
20,
one
bedrooms
to
twelve
hundred
dollars,
twelve
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
to
a
for
a
three
bedroom
60
unit,
the
development
timeline
we're
currently
in
the
permitting
section
of
our
project.
We
have
gone
through
preliminary
TRC.
O
We
are
in
for
a
tree,
a
request
or
a
variance
to
to
take
cut
down
some
of
the
trees
that
our
buildings
really
primarily
will
will
sit
on.
We
are
gonna
go
over
that
we
are
really
trying
to
save
as
many
trees
as
possible.
We
want
to
maintain
the
Grove
feel
of
this
project.
That
is,
that
is
our
goal,
and
once
we
get
our
bza
permit,
we
will
submit
for
our
first
review
to
drb,
so
we
anticipate
getting
through
permitting
by
July
of
2024.
We,
we
really
hope
to
be
sooner.
O
The
city
has
been
has
been
extremely
helpful
on
having
many
many
meetings
in
between
permitting
submissions,
helping
us
work
through
the
issues
that
were
that
are
going
to
come
up
in
in
meetings
moving
forward
and
really
helping
expedite
that
process.
We
anticipate
construction
taking
13
to
15
months.
I've
got
13
months
here,
finishing
it
September
of
2025.
O
I,
guess
that's
14
months,
and
then
the
lease
up
will
take
a
couple
months.
I've
got
you
know
a
longer
lease
up
expectation
in
the
timeline
than
I.
That
I
believe
it
will
take
there's
a
extreme
demand,
as
as
we
all
know
on
this
call
for
affordable
housing
in
this
section
of
Charleston
and
I.
Believe
this
project
will
lease
up
quickly.
We
will
be
live
before
the
end
of
2025
with
a
lease
community.
O
Here
is
the
site
plan
currently
that
we're
working
through
with
TRC.
We
have
three
residential
buildings.
You
building
a
in
Building
B
are
the
same
building
just
a
replica
of
each
other
and
Building
C
is
a
separate
unit
type.
As
you
can
see,
we've
got
parking
and
and
infrastructure.
You
know
that
that
kind
of
wraps
around
the
buildings
to
service
all
of
the
buildings
equally
and
parking
allocated
to
each
building
to
supply
the
needs
that
were
we
have
there.
O
These
circles
that
you
see
on
on
site
are
all
of
the
the
the
grand
trees
that
we
are
really
pushing
to
save
the
the
colors
represent
the
grade
of
the
tree.
The
health
of
the
tree,
the
green
and
the
blue
or
A
and
B
the
yellow,
RC
and
the
unfortunate
origin
and
red
are
trees
that
are
damaged
or
in
not
good
condition.
O
O
The
remainder
of
the
trees
were
requesting
to
to
remove
or
due
to
storm
water,
as
as
all
of
y'all
I'm
sure
are
aware
and
I'm
learning.
More
and
more
is
that
the
stormwater
requirements
in
Charleston
are
extensive
and,
and
the
sheer
just
land
volume
that
it
takes
to
to
handle
the
storm
water
of
a
project
of
this
nature
are
are
great.
You
can
see
the
ponds
here
throughout
the
site.
There's
there's
a
good
amount
of
of
water
here
above
ground
that
we're
needing
to
to
incorporate
into
the
project.
O
Here's
the
the
architecturals
package,
as
we
currently
have
again
this.
This
has
not
gone
through
the
permitting
process.
It
will
start
the
permitting
process
as
soon
as
we
get
through
bza.
Here,
you
can
see
these
building
layouts,
showing
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
the
bedroom
makeup
of
these
of
these
buildings.
You
can
see
the
the
two
identical
unit
type
buildings
here,
the
clubhouse,
as
well
as
the
the
larger
building
towards
the
south
of
the
site.
O
That's
first
second
and
third
floor
here
are
the
concept
elevations
of
of
the
property
as
it
sits
today,
the
you
know
again,
horizontal
elevation.
You
know
from
the
back
of
the
building,
as
well
as
the
the
fronts,
and
here
is
a
color
rendering
of
the
project
and
I.
I
have
a
note
from
the
architect
when
he
sent
this
over
to
me,
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
all
the
design
is
referencing
the
name
of
the
project.
The
use
the
roof
line
is
using
varied
pitches
to
mimic
the
canopy
of
Grove
trees.
O
Their
vertical
trim
boards
that
separate
alternating
six
and
eight
inch
lap
siding
to
create
some
texture
on
the
facade.
This
picks
up
on
the
texture
you
see.
On
the
back
of
Leaves,
we
are
proposing
screening
the
breezeways
openings
with
horizontal
composite
slats
at
night.
You
would
have
a
glow
of
the
lights
in
the
breezeways
through
these
slats,
like
a
lantern,
so
really
trying
to
incorporate
the
feel
of
of
John's,
Island
and
and
the
neighboring
you
know,
properties
and,
and
the
aesthetic
of
this
area
into
this
project
to
create
a
project.
O
That's
you
know
not
only
fitting
to
the
community,
but
but
very,
very
appealing.
Again.
Here
are
another
look
at
the
specific
floor
plans.
We've
we've
gone
through
lots
of
rounds
with
the
architect
on
these
floor
plans
to
create
the
most
efficient
floor
plans
that
that
we
possibly
can
and
and
the
most
livable
floor
plans
that
that
we
can
that
we
can
find
for
the
site
I'd
like
to
take
one
second,
to
tell
you
all
about
the
sources
and
uses
for
for
this
project.
O
The
city
has
contributed
one
million
dollars
in
infrastructure
to
this
project,
which
will
help
on
cost,
as
I've
noted,
that
are
very
extensive
to
the
site
like
storm
water
and
utilities,
as
well
as
the
preparing
the
the
grade
of
the
site
that
one
million
dollar
investment.
In
addition
to
the
investment
the
the
city
made
in
the
land,
you
know
it
is
leveraged
to
a
30
million
32
million
dollar
project
using
the
state,
low-income
housing,
tax
credits
and
debt
on
the
property.
O
The
debt
makes
up
20
of
the
project
at
6.4
million
dollars,
and
the
city's
contribution
of
one
million
dollars
makes
up
four
percent
of
the
total
development
cost.
So
you
know
it
is
a
a
stretching
the
city
dollar
very
far
for
the
for
the
Grove
on
Sean's
Island,
which
which
we
are
proud
of.
We
we
are
fortunate
to
have
this
project
funded
in
2022,
which
was
kind
of
after
a
lot
of
the
allocations
that
have
had
these
large
gaps.
O
At
the
moment
we
do
not
have
a
an
anticipation
for
there
to
be
a
funding
gap
which
will
really
allow
us
to
to
charge
as
fast
as
we
can
to
the
Finish
Line
to
have
these
units
constructed
and
bring
these
affordable
units
to
to
the
City
of
Charleston
there.
There
will
be
two
point:
three
acres,
almost
2.4
Acres
left
over
on
the
city's
land.
O
B
G
Yeah
I,
normally
think
of
something
to
say:
I
want
to
thank
Sam
and
Robinson
and
and
one
at
180
place
Stacy.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
partnering
with
us
on
all
of
these
I
I.
It
occurred
to
me
just
thinking
of
these
numbers
all
together
that
well,
this
is
probably
not
counting
the
3
million
from
The
Climb
fund
direct
city
funding
of
about
six
million
dollars.
Total
has
leveraged
about
a
hundred
million
dollars
of
construction
of
affordable
housing
which,
which
I
think
is
remarkable.
G
You
know
the
downside
has
been
timing
on,
maybe
not
so
much
Sam
on
yours,
because
you
you
came
along
later
than
the
other
two
and
and
covid
was
a
factor.
Big
factor
was
the
the
deal
with
the
state
tax
credits.
You
know
getting
turned
over
upside
down
and
making
everybody
re-scramble
for
their
Equity
package
to
me
to
make
all
of
this
happen,
so
so
that
was
most
unfortunate.
G
B
P
Thanks
Gianna
council
members,
so
I'm
gonna
do
a
screen
share
here.
Hopefully
this
works
for
can
y'all
see
now
a
large
map
awesome,
okay.
So
this
this
was
actually
a
Planning
Commission
last
night.
This
is
property
that
the
city
has
under
contract
to
purchase
for
affordable
housing
and
to
make
it
work
for
us
for
affordable
housing.
We
need
to
do
some
amendments
to
the
planned
unit,
development
that
currently
governs
the
site,
but
just
to
orient
you
all.
This
is
bees
Ferry
Road.
P
This
is
Sanders
Road
Sanders
Road
now
leads
back
to
the
back
of
the
West
Ashley
High
School
to
the
the
CE
Williams
Middle
School
to
our
new
library
and
there's
a
new
traffic
signal
here,
so
you
can
get
across
the
road
easily.
There
already
is
an
apartment
complex
to
the
rear.
Here
there
also
is
extensive
development
in
the
bees
Landing
development.
There
are
new
apartments
coming
across
the
street
here
as
well.
A
new
townhouse
development
in
Charleston
County
here
and
a
new
charter
school
I
believe
it's
Voyager
charter
school
is
going
here
under
construction
soon.
P
P
It
is
near
some
land
that
is
low,
but
itself
is
not
as
low
and
therefore
it
has
recommendations
for
neighborhood
Edge,
which
allows
for
up
to
20
units
an
acre,
and
so
that
is
been
taken
into
account
with
the
site
planning
that
is
being
done
for
this
project,
and
this
was
our
put
Amendment.
It
was
a
Planning
Commission
last
night,
but
here's
the
actual
put
Amendment
and
I
won't
go
through
all
the
language
in
here,
but
there
are
a
few
things
that
get
changed
in
here.
This
chart
shows
the
change.
P
Originally,
this
portion
of
the
Pod
was
going
to
have
about
40
dwelling
units
and
a
good
bit
of
commercial
space.
With
these
amendments
it
would
have
246,
affordable
housing
units
and
they're.
Already
a
single
family
development,
that's
occurring
in
the
development
and
overall
the
dwelling
units
per
acre
are
very
much
in
line
with
what
our
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
a
couple.
Other
things
to
point
out.
There
is
a
change
in
Heights.
It
would
go
from
allowing
four
stories
to
allow
in
five
stories
again.
P
This
is
to
facilitate
the
affordability
on
the
site
and
I'll.
Show
you
a
early
early
concept
site
plan
too.
That
gives
you
a
sense
of
how
it
would
be
laid
out
in
just
a
second
again.
This
is
the
overall
pod
and
the
development
of
the
affordable
housing
will
occur
in
these
areas.
If
you
can
see
my
cursor
going
across,
there
will
be
a
portion
retained
for
commercial
development.
P
These
are
just
the
roads
that
would
be
in
the
development.
Some
of
these
are
already
in
place
and
Road
sections
here
again
is
the
aerial
image
of
the
site.
Already
some
of
the
road
right-of-way
has
been
cleared.
That
was
done
a
while
back
and
there's
new
single
family
development
going
on
to
the
rear
underway
now,
and
then
this
was
one
of
the
changes
to
the
Pud
that
gas
stations
may
have
as
an
accessory
use.
P
Here
we
have
the
overall
site,
and
just
a
few
things
to
point
out
in
the
surrounding
air
oops
in
the
surrounding
area.
Are
the
CE
Williams
Middle
School,
just
down
Sanders
Road
is
1.25
miles
away.
The
new
Beast
Ferry
Library
1.25
miles
away,
West
Ashley
High
School
two
miles.
The
Walmart
is
a
mile
away
and
they're
Carter
routes
that
come
to
the
Walmart.
So
that's
a
mile
away.
P
There
already
is
a
bike
and
pedestrian
Trail,
a
long
bees
ferry
that
could
be
utilized
to
get
to
those
locations
and
then,
of
course
the
Walmart
is
a
grocery
and
there's
a
new
grocery.
Here's
Teeter
up
here
it's
about
three
quarters
of
a
mile
away.
So
pretty
well
located
parks
in
Grand
Oaks
are
there
as
well
and
again
higher
and
drier
than
a
lot
of
the
other
things
on
bees
vary
and
definitely
recommended
for
development.
In
our
comprehensive
plan,
this
is
a
early
early
site
concept.
P
Again
these
fairies
at
the
bottom
here
these
would
be
buildings
that
would
utilize
some
of
that
height.
There
would
be
traffic
traversing
through
the
development
here
and
then
this
would
be
more
of
a
direct
route
for
the
single
family
and
other
apartments
that
are
in
the
development
and,
of
course
there
is
a
traffic
signal
just
to
the
right
of
this
page
here
so
easily
accessing
out
onto
bees,
Ferry
just
some
views
of
the
site
at
present
here
and
there
you
go
and
that
is
what's
playing.
P
This
is
a
earlier,
affordable
housing
cons,
apartment
complex
that
you
all
may
be
familiar
with
at
magwood
and
61,
and
that
gives
you
a
sense
of
buffering
that
would
occur
along
the
edge
of
the
sites.
Things
like
that.
So
that
is
the
information
that
we
have
to
share
with
you
all.
This
is
coming
to
City
Council
in
October,
for
approvals
for
the
Pod
amendments.
The
public
hearing
would
be
on
October
24th
and
you
will
be
asking
ask
for
first
reading
approval
on
October,
10th
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
P
B
H
P
P
P
E
F
Close
but
no
sir
I
don't
have
that
figure
available.
But
if
you
look
at
those
projects
that
were
funded
just
with
the
20
million
dollar
Bond,
the
city
leveraged
five
times
that
20
million
dollar
investment
so
well
over
a
hundred
million
in
resources
that
came
as
a
result
of
year.
2020
million
dollar
investment
in
about
529
units
and.
E
And
the
reason
why
I
am
bringing
it
up
is
because
if
we
really
look
at
our
Department
of
Housing
Community
Development
and
the
Millions
in
comparison
to
other
divisions,
I
know
the
the
the
mission's
different
is
really
leveraging
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
into
this
City's
copper
for
the
development
of
affordable
housing
and
I.
Just
I.
Don't
think
that
we
mentioned
that
enough.
E
I
was
happy
to
hear
the
developers
doing
it,
but
I
think
we
need
to
do
it
too,
because
that
division,
okay
and
mayor
I
know
you
know
that
division
literally
based
upon
what
they
get
in
and
how
they
leverage
and
turn
that
into
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars.
It's
unbelievable.
It
really
is,
and
I
I
I
think
we
need
to
recognize
it
a
little
more
and
Command
Staff
a
little
more
on
what
they
do,
because
it's
it's
phenomenal.
E
E
E
E
So,
for
me,
I
want
to
just
open
this
up
to
the
other
members
of
the
committee
and,
as
we
are
discussing
real
estate,
and
luckily
we
have
the
chairman
of
real
estate
on
this
committee,
because
this
this
is
also
a
real
estate
issue
that
may
go
beyond
the
planning
phase
of
which
we
get
into
so
I.
Just
want
to
open
it
up
for
a
discussion
on
how
to
what
kinds
of
instructions
do
we
feel
we
need
to
provide
to
staff
to
get
this
done
as
quickly
as
possible.
G
E
E
B
B
If
that's
something
that
the
committee
thinks
that
that's
what
they
want
to
do
to
use
that
same
development,
they
have
that'll,
be
you
know
we
can
discuss
that
and
vote
on
that
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
we
want
to
throw
it
out
to
give
them
Direction,
because
I
know
we
had
people
working
on
it
before
and
I.
Don't
think
I
don't
want
to
lose
any
money
if
there
may
that
we
have
if
this
would
be
a
case.
So
this
is
something
to
look
at
and
and
that
would
be
landmark
yeah.
B
It
would
be
Landmark
who
was
working
on
it
all
the
time
and
have
already
had
a
plan
and
a
place
and
if
they
are
still
willing
to
still
work
with
that,
the
plan
we're
doing,
but
we
have
already
voted
on
and
still
doing
the
rest
of
it
to
see
what,
if
they
want
to
do
that
themselves
too,
and
this
that's
something
we
can
look
at
think
about
too
I.
Don't
know.
A
E
D
Yeah
I
I
think
the
first
thing
we
have
to
come
to
grips
with
is
our
mou
with
Landmark
really
has
expired
and
right
now
we
owe
them
about
680
000.
So
that's
something
that
this
committee
that
we
can
probably
you
know,
offer
an
amendment
to
try
to
keep
that
mou
going
with
landmark
and
with
a
new
scope
of
work
and
but
I
mean
to
be
fair
to
them.
I
think
we
owe
them
lots
of
money
and-
and
we
have
to
be
I-
think
prepared
to
be
to
be
fair
to
them.
D
D
And
I
and
I
and
I
think
that's
what
I
suggested
anything
you
might
want
to
propose
as
a
as
a
going
forward
that
that
should
be
one
of
the
conditions
as
well,
that
we
pay
them
for
what
we
owe
them.
We
we
will
then
own
that
work
product.
That
was
what
they've
done
so
far
and
then
see
if
we
want
to
amend
the
mou
with
them
to
provide
this
new
scope
of
work.
G
Well,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
and
I
appreciate
this
committee.
Taking
up
this
matter
and
councilman
Gregory
I
appreciate
your
particular
interest
in
it.
I
I
do
want
to
make
a
couple
of
comments.
One
is
about
the
rest
of
the
Gateway
and
Sam
Rittenberg
as
I
I
as
councilmember
Gregory
referred
to.
We
have
requested
in
next
year's
budget
some
funding
for
the
planning
department
to
engage
in.
G
You
know
a
community
engagement
about
rethinking,
rethink,
Sam
Ritt
I
think
is
a
term
that
we've
used
similar
to
rethink
Folly,
Road
and
and
I
do
believe.
If
we
Faithfully,
you
know,
follow
that
model
that
that
we
would
accomplish
that
portion
of
of
this
resolution
or
motion
that
passed
city
council,
at
least
in
in
aspects
of
the
Gateway
and
and
the
the
hopeful
future
improvements
along
Sam,
Rittenberg
and
I
I.
G
E
If,
if
you
go
back
to
our
adoc
report
from
the
real
estate
committee
within
their
package,
it
definitely
shows
what
the
county
would
propose
to
do
with
at
least
the
Suman
Street
portion
in
terms
of
parking
spaces
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
I
know
you're
talking
about
something
more
comprehensive
than
that
yeah.
E
G
G
E
E
G
I
never
intended
to
do
it
in
Silo,
but
I
I
do
have
to
remind
everyone
that
we
have
control
over
the
property
that
we
own
in
the
public
right
away.
We
can
pass
zoning
and
we
can,
you
know,
coax
and
maybe
even
incent
changes
on
private
property,
but
those
owners
have
to
make
their
own
decisions
about
what
they're
going
to
do
with
their
property
right
councilmember,
a
bell
I
mean
we.
G
We
can
Tam
all
the
the
desires
and
aspirations
in
the
world
and
plan
West
Ashley
or
any
other
planning
effort
for
somebody's
privately
owned
property,
but
we
can't
force
them
to
do
it
unless
we,
you
know,
buy
the
property.
So
you
know
when
I'm
rethinking
Sam
Rittenberg
I'm
thinking
about
the
public
right-of-way.
G
Yes,
that
real
estate,
that
we
can
make
decisions
upon,
of
course,
in
collaboration
with
Dot
in
this
case,
because
it's
a
South
Carolina
DOT
road,
but
it
is
public
right-of-way,
but
the
other
property
that
we
can
actually
be
more
impactful
on.
As
sum
our
street
property
itself
and
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor
this
y'all
and
I
know:
I
was
in
the
minority
on
that.
G
So
in
effect
we
have
more
property
at
sumar
Street
to
redevelop
or
develop.
Then
plan
West,
Ashley,
anticipated
and
and
I
get
back
to
the
point.
If
you
limit
yourself
to
just
a
Civic
building
and
some
green
space
there,
you
know
you're,
you're
I
believe
limiting
the
potential
not
only
for
our
own
property,
which
is
bigger
than
plan
West
Ashley
anticipated
as
I
just
pointed
out,
but
you
also
limit
the
potential
incentive
or
synergistic
impact
to
private
property
owners
around
you
and
I
know.
G
G
E
But
what
I'm
saying
is
that
you're
saying
that
plan
West
Ashley
did
not
include
okay,
all
of
the
land,
that's
in
question
and
all
I'm
trying
to
do
is
make
clear
on
what
additional
Land
There
is.
Now
that
was
not
there
when
we
did
plan
West
Ashley
and
it's
my
understanding,
the
additional
land.
That's
there
is
that
tip
that
was
not
owned
by
us.
Okay,
it's
almost
like
a
little
triangle:
okay,
and
that
was
given
to
us
to
use
as
a
part
of
the
sumar
development.
E
G
So
what
a
a
more
robust
development
is
possible
as
we
anticipated
and
proposed
to
Council
in
a
couple
of
other
options
that
y'all
did
not
support.
I,
get
that
that
you
didn't
support
it,
but
I'm,
just
telling
you
if
you
limit
yourself
just
to
us
a
quote:
Civic
space
and
some
green
space
in
the
middle
of
a
busy
intersection
there
and
no
buffer
of
buildings
around
the
perimeter,
like
we
had
proposed
I
believe
you're
going
to
get
a
situation
where
the
only
time
people
are
going
to
go
to
that
property
is.
B
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chair
I
certainly
understand
councilman
Gregory.
You
know
this
was
in
in
mayor.
That
I
mean
we
ended
up
with
a
six
six
vote.
Obviously
there
was
different
opinions
and
I.
Don't
wanna
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor
this
either,
but
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
understand
how
we
got
to
this
point.
E
H
Yep
I
get
that
my
question
I
guess.
Overall,
the
whole
process
is:
wasn't
the
the
concern
from
those
that
didn't
like
the
original
options
that
we
did.
We
didn't
do
true
public
engagement
on
this,
that
we
didn't,
we
didn't
ask
the
public
or
or
the
or
the
public
engagement
that
we
did
was
not
factual.
I've
heard
that
several
times
that
it
didn't
represent
the
true
feelings
of
folks
in
West
Ashley.
So
that's
the
case.
H
H
B
Gonna
make
a
statement
in
that
engagement.
They
had
about
five
I,
think
five
different
events,
Community
Advanced
open
in
West,
Ashley
right
and
that's
when
everything
was
you
know,
came
out
and
but
it
was
explained
to
them,
but
the
West
Side
sleep
and
all
this
and
Sumo
Street,
and
that
was
five
different
different
time.
Neighbors
did
West
Ashley.
So
it's
not
that
West
Ashley
people
didn't
know
what
was
going
on.
B
They
give
their
input,
but
then,
when
the
input
came
and
they
came
with
the
the
underground
parking
was
a
problem
with
a
lot
of
different
council
members
because
of
what
city
the
city
of
Charleston
is
and
all,
but
we
deal
with
other
hurricanes
and
with
water
and
stuff.
So
that
was
the
case
on
that.
When
they
even
had
the
six
six
time,
then
we
came
back
and
boarded
again
on
the
Community
Development
they've
been
taken
back
the
council
with
the
with
just
doing
the
we're
building.
B
B
We
came
up
with
the
doing
the
municipal
building
and
the
green
space
and
having
so,
we
can
get
a
start
now
if
they
want
to
come
back
later
and
be
stuff,
add
things
to
it
with
the
green
space
and
add
up
minutes
to
it.
Fine,
but
I
wanted
to
give
them
something
before
we
leave
it
before
they
left
there
at
night,
and
that's
when
that
was
brought
it
on
with
that
particular
doing.
The
municipal
building
with
the
green
space
and
everything
else.
H
Can
I
respond
to
that
chair
and
then
we
can
turn
it
to
somebody
else.
I
guess
that's
what
it
happened:
everyone
that
I
spoke
with
or
everyone
that
emailed
me
and
came
to
the
meetings.
It
was
clear
what
they
wanted,
but
then
the
opposition
or
folks
that
didn't
want.
That
also
said:
well,
that's
not
a
true
representation
of
of
the
community
and
all
I'm
asking
is.
Is
a
representative
of
some
a
representative
I
have
to
go
with
what
I
hear
from
the
emails
that
I
receive
from
people
who
are
coming
to
council.
H
A
E
Okay,
yes,
there
were
71
people,
okay,
who
made
the
determination
with
regard
to
the
various
options
that
went
forward.
If
you
go
back
to
the
various
workshops,
okay
from
planned,
West
Ashley,
there
were
specific
numbers:
okay
for
what
planned
West
Ashley
said
they
wanted.
They
wanted
cultural,
slash,
Civic,
space,
okay,
Park,
passive
Park;
those
were
the
leading
things
that
the
people
of
West
Ashley
said
they
wanted.
I.
E
Don't
want
you
to
think,
okay
that
we're
basing
anything
on
what
we
want:
I
I'm,
basing
okay
things
on
what
planned
West
Ashley,
based
upon
their
survey,
okay
of
what
the
people
said
they
wanted
and
it
was
very
clear:
they
wanted
a
par
Civic
cultural
Civic,
Center,
okay,
the
other
things
were
way
down
the
the
list
in
terms
of
percentages
of
one.
Now,
of
course,
if
you
go
to
those
71
people
who
voted
okay,
all
right
in
comparison
to
over
a
thousand
people.
E
Okay,
who
voted
under
plan
West
Ashley
about
what
they
wanted
with
sumar
street,
is
very
different
and
and
and
I
just
think
that
sure
we
can
go
out
again,
no
problem
but
I'm,
basing
okay
I'm,
basing
what
I
see
based
upon
what
the
majority
of
people
who
not
to
71,
almost
a
thousand
people.
Okay,
who
participated
in
the
survey
on
what
they
wanted
for
Summa
Civic,
slash,
cultural,
a
park
and
a
passive
Park.
All
those
rated
way
up
there
above
the
50
margin.
The
rest
of
them
were
way
below.
E
E
B
G
Mr
chairman,
if
I'm,
if
I
may,
miss
Mr
chairman
and
most
respectfully
councilmember
Gregory
I,
disagree
with
your
interpretation,
because
what
we
ended
up
with
after
the
most
extensive
Civic
engagement
of
any
kind
since
since
I've
been
elected
mayor,
was
a
combination,
an
amalgam.
If
you
will
of
proposed
uses
for
the
sumar
street
property
and
you're.
Referring
to
this
chart,
we
saw
where
they
asked
the
individual
questions.
Do
you
like
Parks?
Do
you
like
mixed-use?
Do
you
like
restaurants
and
yeah?
G
There
were
I,
think,
11
or
13
different
categories
that
we
graded
from
lots
of
responses,
but
what
we
did
was
we
we
created
a
mixed
use
that
would
have
the
vibrancy
that
included
the
top
things
of
those
responses
which
included
Civic
space
and
green
space,
but
it
also
included
restaurants
and
places
where
families
could
gather.
So
what
we
ended
up
with
was
a
combination
and,
as
we
went
each
step
of
the
way
pulling
that
combination
together,
we
we
checked
with
the
citizens
and
said
is:
is
this
right
is
this?
G
Revitalization
commission
had
online
surveys
as
well,
so
I
feel
it
was,
for
clarity's
sake
that
the
public
engagement
was
thorough
and
that
the
public
solidly
supported
the
the
combination
of
uses
that
was
proposed,
that
it
got
down
to
the.
Where
are
you
going
to
park
it
and
how
much
that
was
going
to
cost?
That
was.
That
was
the
thing
that
blew
it
up.
In
my
view,.
E
We
agree
to
disagree.
71
people
made
the
decision,
I,
don't
think
that's
I.
So
that's
why
I
go
back
to
the
12
or
1300
okay,
while
they
were,
while
there
were
various
things
there
for
them
to
choose
from.
Maybe
13.
I,
don't
remember
how
many
but
I
do
remember
what
was
highest
on
that
list.
Now,
if
you
guys
were
the
71
people
refined
it
on
behalf
of
the
entire
West
Ashley
fine.
G
E
E
We're
going
we're
going
back
to
this
whole
argument:
that's
dead,
okay,
we're
now
dealing
with
the
directives
of
the
majority
of
the
folks
on
Council,
which
agreed
okay
for
a
Civic
space
and
green
space.
That's
our
mission,
okay,
based
upon
what
council
voted
on,
okay
and
and
for
us
to
give
a
bit
more
clarity.
Okay
on
what
that
means.
E
E
Well,
I
think
I
I
think
based
upon
prior
discussion,
we
talked
about
giving
staff
the
direction
to
come
up
with
a
comprehensive
approach
for
the
Redevelopment
of
the
card,
which
includes
sumar,
Street,
okay
with
green
space,
cultural
center
and
Civic
space.
Okay.
What
we
need
to
decide
in
terms
of
what
do
we
tell
staff
to
do
and
I
think
we
just
talked
about
a
discussion
on
that
I
mean
you
know
we
can.
We
can
also
sell
it.
B
D
I
was
just
gonna
say:
yeah
staff
is
totally
confused,
yep
I
know
because
you
know
it
I
I
think
you
know.
If
I
hear
her,
he
heard
the
the
motion
that
was
adopted.
It
said
Green,
Space
and
Civic
space
and
that's
what
I
we
started
out
talking
we
throw
in
a
cultural
space
that
adds
a
little
different
twist
to
the
occasion,
so
really
I
think
in
order
to
get
staff.
You
know
to
to
to
work
on
this
with
landmark
or
anyone
else.
We
do
need
a
little
more
clarification.
B
It's
just
that
I'm
gonna,
let
a
pill
speak
after
this
constant
pale
just
when
they
brought
it
up.
They,
the
West
STP,
wanted
the
Civic
Center
or
wherever
they
want
to
call
it.
You
know
they
wanted
that
and
the
night
we
had
that
meeting.
I,
let
everybody
speak,
and
it
was
talking
about
the
the
underground
product
underground
pocket.
I
would
I
told
them
up
front
that
was
voted
down
by
Council.
B
B
That's
just
me
because
from
living
here,
75
years
and
been
through
it
I
know
what
can
happen
with
this
with
the
underground
parking
and
you
have
water
coming
from
Northbridge
coming
there
on
both
sides
on
The
Chronic,
on
green,
green
Orange,
Grove
Road
on
the
end
of
Orange
Grove
board,
which
you
have
there's
water
big
storm
comp
is
going
to
flush
down
in
there
right
on
down
into
that
garage.
I
noticed
they
have
this
pump
and
they're
going
to
pump
it
up,
but
why
should
you
do
it?
B
It's
going
to
be
liveable
to
the
city,
because
sooner
or
later,
you're
going
to
have
a
leak
in
that
garage,
and
it's
going
to
be
liable
to
the
city.
Someone
is
going
to
get
hurt
and
we're
going
to
be
liable
for
it.
I
know
this
is
City
of
Charleston.
We
are
at
sea
level,
there's
no
sense
to
fool
ourselves:
I
mean
I,
go
to
different
states;
they
don't
have
what
a
problem
like
rehab,
so
they
have
underground
parking.
Yes,
I,
don't
think
you
have
seen
another
underground
parking
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
B
That
I
know
of
here.
I,
don't
know
of
one.
It
might
be,
but
I
miss
another
way
of
it.
You
know
so
when
I
know
water
is
all
around
and
if
you
look
at
the
history
of
City
of
Charleston,
look
at
all
the
old
pictures.
What
do
you
see
water
so,
when
you're
digging
down
deep
down
there,
you
dig
in
there
and
you're
gonna,
make
this
underground
parking,
but
there's
water
there
and
sooner
or
later,
there's
a
crack.
B
B
N
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
Rick
stole
a
little
bit
of
my
thunder,
but
I
had
some
questions
for
staff,
namely
Mr
Summerfield,
and
it's
a
two-part
question.
First
part
of
the
question
is:
do
you
have
clear
Direction
and
the
second
part
of
the
question
is
assuming
you
did
get
what
you
would
what
you
would
categorize
as
clear
direction?
N
Does
the
city
staff
have
the
time,
resources
and
and
availability
in-house
to
take
on
the
project
that's
being
contemplated,
or
would
this
have
to
go
out
for
bid
and
essentially
we'd
have
to
sort
of
restart
the
process
that
landed
Landmark
at
the
table
with
us
all?
Those
years
ago,
I
I,
just
we've,
been
hearing
a
lot
of
elected
folks.
Talking
about
this
stuff,
I
want
to
hear
from
staff
on
some
of
this.
Some
of
these
details.
Q
Q
The
other
thing
I
heard
is
improvements
proposed
for
Sam
Ritt
as
a
Gateway
from
Northbridge
towards
the
sumar
site.
So
we
do
have
two
kind
of
things
at
play.
As
the
mayor
mentioned,
with
the
rethink,
Sam
Ritt
project
I
think
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
be
able
to
address
if
that
is
funded,
we're
going
to
be
addressed,
able
to
address
holistically
the
corridor
conversation
for
for
Sam
Rich,
so
that
is
in
our
scope
of
work
for
next
year.
Q
If
we
get
that
project
funded
and
to
councilman
Gregory's
kind
of
point,
there
are
a
number
of
pieces
already
in
place
for
that.
That
effort
that
we
would
be
proposing
for
next
year's
work
would
be
to
knit
those
together
because
right
now,
they're
kind
of
disparate
fill
in
gaps,
because
there
are
some
gaps
in
the
work
that
has
been
done
and
then
actually
take
that
from
a
plan
to
actually
start
the
engineering
effort
on
that,
so
that
there
is
plans
that
are
shovel
ready.
Q
So
we
can
go
after
some
funding
for
those
for
the
future
and
actually
get
that
Corridor
Improvement
started
so
that
that's
piece
one
so
that
that
is
something
staff
can
tackle.
We
have
it
in
our
work
plan
for
next
year.
If
it's
funded,
we
will
need
to
get
some
outside
assistance
as
it
relates
to
that
piece
of
it.
So
completely
can
handle
that
part
as
it
relates
to
the
the
sumar
thing.
Q
I'll,
be
honest,
an
RFP
get
that
out
there
on
the
street,
get
responses
back
through
the
the
evaluation
and
all
that
stuff.
You
know,
that's
not
something
that
turns
around.
As
you
all
know,
having
many
of
you
sit
on
those
selection
committees
to
help
staff
when
we
do
have
these
consultant
selections,
you
know
those
don't
turn
around
on
a
dime
so
that
that
in
its
of
itself,
will
take
a
little
time
and
then,
if
this
was
something,
staff
were
to
pick
back
up
and
do
internally,
as
I
mentioned
or
has
been
mentioned
previously.
Q
You
know
we're
with
the
staff
we
have
in
the
design
center
we're
scoped
up
through
into
next
year.
So
we
could
put
this
into
our
our
list
of
projects,
but
because
of
a
few
things
that
are
related
to
funding
items,
I,
don't
believe
it's
something
we
could.
We
could
internally
start
working
on
option
four
or
or
the
back
to
the
the
plan
option
before
the
beginning
of
next
year.
N
E
Q
E
Right
right:
okay!
Well,
that's
exactly
what
we're
we're
trying
to
articulate
what
you
just
described
and
you
and
I
you
and
I
I
think
we
we
had
a
discussion
about
the
Civic
Design
Center,
not
necessarily
in
this
context
about
the
workload
there
right
now
is
is
is
pretty
pretty
much,
but
again
that
depends
upon
how
Council
prioritizes
this
project.
Yes,
okay,
okay,
bottom
line,
regardless
of
workload.
If
counsel
prioritizes
this
project,
then
there
may
have
to
be
some
shifts.
E
But
again
what
you
just
articulated
is
exactly
what
I
think
I
said
earlier:
okay,
that
if
staff
can't
do
it,
okay,
then
giving
staff
the
authority
to
talk
to
Landmark,
okay
and
do
x
y
z.
That's
what
we
said
earlier
and
and
and
and
and
this
conversation,
so
what
you're
saying
is
consistent
with
what
we've
been
saying,
what
we're
saying!
That's
exactly
what
we
want
done.
A
B
G
Well,
to
the
point
of
Staff
time,
I
was
just
going
to
make
the
observation
that
if,
if
we're
going
to
build
a
park
and
or
a
building,
you
know
we
normally
go
through
a
Professional,
Services
procurement
and
and
hire
architect
designer
you
know
we
don't
normally
do
that
kind
of
level
of
specificity
Anyway
by
its
staff.
We
we
like,
we
have
a
firm
helping
us
design
wpal
park
right
now
or
when
we
build
a
fire
station.
We
hire
an
architect
to
design
the
building
for
us.
We
we
don't.
G
E
D
I
think
you
got
two
choices
right
now:
okay
and
the
two
choices.
Are
you
conduct
an
art
you
you
do
an
RFP
for
this,
this
cultural
space,
Green
Space
and
go
that
way
or
we
try
to
amend
the
agreement.
We
have
with
Landmark
to
add
that
to
their
scope
of
work.
So
if,
if
we
do
that
I
mean
they
have
to
agree
to
that,
and
so
it's
a
mutual
thing.
We'd
have
to
come
up
with
a
new,
an
amendment
to
the
agreement
we
have
with
them.
D
B
D
B
D
But
we
would
know
that,
but
the
Civic
Center
they
built
is
a
lot
bigger
than
I.
Think
the
Civic
Center
than
a
lot
of
members
said
they
wanted
and,
and
so
the
Green
Space
would
be
different.
So
we
can
either
amend
the
agreement
with
with
landmark
and
try
to
get
them
to
agree
to
that.
To
do
this
new
scope
of
work,
what
we
do
in
RFP
for
the
new
scope
of
work,
I
think
it's
it's
one
of
the
other
and
whatever
direction
we
get
staff.
B
Q
The
complexity
of
the
work,
if,
if
we're
going
to
put
out
a
new
scope
or
anything,
we
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there,
that
that
should
be
considered
to
be
very
clear
in
whatever
direction,
we're
we're
collectively
given
because
that
does
change
the
complexity.
If
you
have
to
build
in
the
opportunity
for
future
phases
or
future
components
to
be
at
potentially
added
later
yeah.
B
No,
it
wasn't
part
of
the
motion,
but
I
just
made
that
statement
that
taught
during
that
time
that
you
know
there's
still
and
even
with
the
green
space
or
whatever
the
motion
is,
you
know
with
the
building.
They
can
look
at
it
later
on,
but
you
still
can
go
ahead
and
add
to
it.
So
whatever?
What
was
the
pleasure
of
the
committee?
That's
what
we'll
do
it,
which
would
do
a
sweet
and
promotion.
E
Well,
I'll
make
a
motion.
My
motion
would
be
that
we
charge
staff
with
the
responsibility
of
one
making
sure
that
whatever
we
owe
Landmark
is
paid
and
secondly,
whether
or
not
Landmark
wants
to
participate
in
hello
participate
in
developing
this
option.
For
if
Landmark
determines
that
they
aren't
interested,
then
we
have
to
go
to
the
RFQ
RFP.
B
B
C
E
E
B
Not
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
motion
really
what
kind
of
motion
we
can
make
now,
but
all
the
statements
that
we
had
before
and
you
know
I
just
felt
bad,
because
I
told
all
the
people
at
West
Ashley
at
the
meeting
that
me
was
going
to
do
something
and
that's
why
the
community
center
Center
and
the
green
space
that
they
wanted
was
part
of
emotion.
That's
they
got
something
to
get
started
with.
B
So
now
we
are
back
at
square
one
and
getting
nothing
done.
You
know
and
it's
a
dog
going
shame
because
nobody
gets
it
all
I,
don't
care
what
people
want.
You
can
want
something,
but
is
this
the
right
thing
to
do?
That's
what
I
look
at
things,
not
because
I
wanted,
not
because
this
person
wanted,
but
this
is
the
right
thing
to
do
and
that's
what
I
do
things
right
and
wrong
I'm,
not
looking
at
any
other
things,
I'm
too
old.
For
that
I,
look
at
right
and
wrong
period.
H
Thank
you
chair.
The
reason
I'm
voting
no
is
I'm
still
I'm,
still
at
a
place
where
I'm
not
sure.
We
know
what
the
community
wants,
because
we
sit
here
and
debate
about
it.
I
realize
that
the
the
the
the
motion
today
was
to
give
some
clarity
but
I'm
not
comfortable
giving
staff
Clarity
on
on
something
that
I'm
not
convinced.
H
H
What
I'm
saying
was
there?
There
was
accusations
that
they
that
the
process
was
Rife
with
folks
that
wanted
certain
options,
so
they
packed
the
room
with
those
people,
and
then
we
heard
so
all
I'm
saying
is
if,
if
there
was
questions
about
the
process
previous
to
here,
that
got
us
to
this
point:
I'm
not
comfortable
voting
on
any
conceptual
idea
to
give
Clarity
to
staff
until
I
feel,
like
we've
actually
leaned
into
the
West
Ashley
community
and
have
Clarity
around
what
a
majority
want.
H
I
I
realize
we're
not
going
to
make
everybody
happy,
but
all
the
people
that
reached
out
to
me
Dudley
and
Mitchell,
favored
and
I,
don't
remember
I,
don't
have
them
in
front
of
me,
but
favored.
Some
sort
of
mixed
use,
option
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor
the
fact
and
I'm
not
asking
us
to
relitigate
that
all
I'm
saying
is.
H
B
You
completed
on
councilman
psychron
I'm
done.
Thank
you
oh,
but
see
what
I'm
saying
is
that
I
was
taking
a
lot
of
information
from
the
revitalization
committee,
because
that
they're,
the
ones
that
had
all
the
meetings
and
that's
what
came
from
a
lot
of
came
from.
You
know
some
of
the
things
some
of
the
information
even
came
from
some
of
the
information
that
you
made
because
they
were
having
all
those
meetings,
West
Ashley,
the
revalidation
they
had
all
of
West
Ashley.
That's
all
I'm,
saying
and.
H
Let
me
just
reply
to
that
chair
when
we
talked
to
the
members
of
the
revitalization
committee.
A
lot
of
them
were
ones
that
were
supporting
options.
Two
and
three
I
can't
remember
what
they
were,
but
they
were
supporting
the
options
that
had
a
more
robust
mixture
of
retail
and
Civic
space
and
green
space.
That's
so
that's
right!
That's
those
are
the
folks
I
leaned
into
for
for
expertise,
because
they
spent
the
better
part
of
four
years
going
through
that
process.
They.
E
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
yeah
and
I
I
would
concur
with
council
member
sakron.
That
I
mean
personally
I
I,
as
I
stated
before,
I
I
feel,
like
the
citizens
were
well
engaged
and
and
and
told
us
what
what
they
were
looking
for
and
and
I,
don't
think
it's.
It
was
defined
as
a
limited
to
a
a
Civic
building
and
and
the
Green
Space
without
the
other
things.
G
G
E
E
Okay,
is
back
door
back
where
we
were
and
I'm
not
gonna,
be
a
part
of
that
at
all
at
all
man,
that's
what
we're
doing
Council
had
a
motion:
okay,
two
of
them:
okay,
eight,
four
and
one
six,
six
on
the
other
I'm,
not
touching
this
Olive
stain
I'm
not
getting
into
this
one,
because
I
think
there's
some
parliamentary
procedural
kinds
of
stuff.
That's
going.
A
B
B
The
motion
that
Council
made
was
a
motion
that
was
approved
by
Council
regarding
Sumo
Street
development
for
discussion
that
direction
for
staff
for
our
CD
committee
meeting.
That's
that's!
That's
the
that's
the
motion
that
came
from
Council.
So
if
we're
not
going
to
do
that,
then
we
need
to
just
just
adjourn
this
meeting.
You
know
because,
yes,
with
Council
directed
us
to
do
right,
so
if
we
don't
do
what
console
directing
us
to
do,
then
we
have
to
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
do
nothing.
H
C
Chairman,
so
the
motion
at
Council,
it
did
not
send
it
back
to
CD
committee.
It
was
voted
on
by
city
council.
The
reason
I
think
City,
the
the
Community
Development
Committee
is
discussing
this
now
council
member
Gregory
had
a
council
communication
request
on
our
last
Council
agenda,
and
it
was
discussed
that
that
clarification
and
direction
for
City
staff
would
be
placed
on
the
agenda
for
Community
Development.
Okay,.
B
C
B
C
A
C
B
E
A
E
B
B
B
Provided
it
so
if
the
councilman
do
something
different,
it's
up
to
city
council,
I'm
down
correct
I'm
concerned:
that's
the
only
way,
I
see
it.
You
know
so
far
as
the
legal
term
here,
yeah
I
see
it
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
any
other
way,
because
this
is
what
council
said
so
because
came
here
and
we're
not
doing
you
know,
given
that,
so
we
just
need
to
leave
it
alone
and
just
say:
community.
B
C
G
I
would
just
make
the
observation
that,
if,
if
we
requested
this
to
come
to
this
committee
for
further
clarification,
you
you
would
hope
to
achieve
some
consensus
as
to
what
that
clarification
was
that
motion,
as
you
expressed
with
all
due
due
respect,
did
not
reach
consensus
among
the
committee
as
to
how
to
clarify
this
original
motion
to
staff.
It's
that
simple.
Another
motion
might
might
accomplish
that
in
the
meantime.