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City of Charleston Community Development Meeting 7/21/22
B
E
D
D
Okay,
the
day
is
now
july.
21St.
The
time
is
now
304.
I
like
to
call
the
community
development
committee
meeting
to
order,
and
it's
customary.
We
already
have
an
invocation
and
I
would
ask
everyone
to
bow
their
head
to
silence
and
remember
the
unfortunate
and
the
things
that's
happening
in
this
community
and
in
the
country
and
the
world
today.
That
colbert
is
started
on
the
rise
again
now,
a
lot
of
young
people
that
we
are
losing.
So
we
are
actually
the
most
hyper
guidance.
D
A
D
I
D
Okay,
let's
move
in
a
second
all
in
both
my
favor.
By
saying
I
I
told
this
name:
let's
have
it:
we
don't
have
any
old
business,
so
we'll
go
around
down
to
new
business.
The
new
businesses
are
increasing,
affordable
housing
units
for
household
experience,
homelessness
in
the
city
of
charleston,
the
presentation
by
heather
and
the
senior
management
housing
community
development.
So
heather
is
on
you
right
now.
J
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
for
having
me
my
name
is
heather
dillashaw,
I'm
a
hud
technical
assistance
provider
and
I
have
been
working
with
both
gianna
and
matt,
and
lots
of
other
folks
in
your
region,
the
last
several
months
to
look
at
ways
to
increase
affordable
units
across
your
region.
I
know
that
this
is
just
you're
just
concerned
with
charleston,
but
the
some
of
the
numbers
I'm
going
to
give
you
are
you're
going
to
see,
are
region-wide
but
also
show
some
specificity
to
charleston,
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
A
J
Okay,
great,
so
you
can
see
it,
and
you
know
I
think
john
is
going
to
send
this
to
you
after
after
the
meeting.
So
you
have
this
in
writing
as
well.
What
we
did
over
the
last
several
months
was
held
a
series
of
meetings
with
stakeholders
across
the
low
country
to
talk
about
what
is
available
and
what
isn't
in
their
areas
for
units
that
are
dedicated
to
households
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
and
while,
while
there
are
not
many,
there
are
ways
that
we
can
increase
units
there
is
not
outside
the
outset.
J
J
In
particular,
I'm
sure
that
you
can
see
that
when
you
are
in
your
neighborhoods
and
as
you're
moving
through
through
the
city,
but
the
numbers
that
we're
that
I'm
going
to
talk
through
in
a
minute
are
both
around
the
rental
assistance
dollars
that
are
needed
to
start
closing
the
gap
specifically
for
households
that
are
literally
homeless,
as
well
as
the
units
that
are
needed.
So
there
are
two
pieces
of
this
right.
J
You
need
the
actual
units
like
you
need
to
increase
your
housing
stock,
as
well
as
the
rental
assistance
that
can
help
sustain
homeless
households
as
they
transition
from
homelessness
to
housing
right.
So
there's
two
numbers.
So
we
look
at
charleston
here
it's
about
10
million
dollars
in
rental
assistance
to
close
the
gap
and
then
a
little
over
2
000
units.
These
are
probably
conservative
estimates.
When
we
look
at
them.
J
Your
annual
homeless
need
across
the
region
is
around
2
000.
Those
are
97
individuals
with
only
three
to
four
percent
of
families
and
the
way
that
we
define
that
when
we
look
at
the
data
would
be
an
adult
in
a
in
a
minor
eight
at
least
one
adult
in
a
minor
age.
Child
constitutes
a
family,
so
single
individuals
are
by
far
the
not
the
majority
of
need
in
your
area.
That's
not
that's
true
in
most
places
in
the
country.
J
What
we
don't
have
in
here,
because
the
data
is
hard
to
get
is
where
your
dedicated
units
are
with
housing
vouchers
like
what
how
many
homeless
households
have
been
placed
with
housing
vouchers,
that's
unclear
to
us.
We
also
know
that
your
housing
public
housing
agencies
do
not
have
a
preference
for
homeless
households.
So
we
think
the
number
that
is
placed
through
those
partnerships
is
probably
fairly
low.
J
So
the
biggest
barriers
are
the
low
available
availability
of
units
period
right.
So
you
you
have
a
vacant.
You
have
a
low
vacancy
rate
in
charleston
for
units
that
turnover
right.
So
that's
that's
just
hard,
like
a
healthy
vacancy
rate
is
somewhere
between
eight
and
ten
percent.
Last
time
I
looked,
yours
was
around
four
or
five.
I
didn't.
I
meant
to
look
that
up
today.
Gianna,
I
forgot,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
that
that
sits
currently.
J
J
The
other
piece
of
that
is
even
your
units
that
are
available
are
not
at
fair
market
rent
right.
They
are
driven
very
much
by
the
private
market
and
the
desire
of
people
to
live
in
charleston.
You
have
people
your
pot.
Your
population
continues
to
increase,
not
just
your
homeless
population,
but
your
population
continues
to
increase
right,
you're,
a
desirable
place
to
live,
people
move
there,
and
so
it
you
know
as
soon
as
the
unit's
available
it.
J
It
gets
leased
up
and
landlords
do
not
have
an
incentive
to
rent
below
private
market
values.
So
several
things
and
again
these
are,
unfortunately,
these
are
pretty
consistent
variables
across
the
country.
So
the
work
that
we
do
in
trying
to
help
communities
come
up
with
strategies
to
increase
units
or
multi-pronged
because,
like
I
said
there
is
no
one
magic
bullet.
J
Unless
somebody
actually
had
the
money
to
build
all
the
units
you
needed
all
at
once
and
fill
them
with
the
rental
assistance
and
supportive
services
right,
and
we
have
not
yet
seen
a
community
do
that
right
that
that
that
doesn't
tend
to
be
where
money
is
money
is
spent.
So
the
recommendations
that
we've
made
are
are
several
one
from
the
municipality
side.
This
is
true
for
charleston
charleston
county.
J
All
the
other
municipalities
that
we've
been
engaged
with
in
this
work
is
look
at
your
public
funding
streams,
whether
those
are
your
federal
funding
streams
or
your
local
funding
streams
that
are
going
toward
development
they're
going
toward
housing
development.
I
know
you
you
do
do
afford.
You
do
put
money
into
affordable
housing
development.
J
One
of
the
things
that
we
highly
recommend-
and
we
see
progress
with
in
municipalities-
is
making
sure
that,
in
those
new
developments
that
a
portion
of
those
units
are
dedicated
to
homeless,
households,
meaning
the
management
company
developer
is
required
to
use.
However,
many
units
you
set,
like
we
say,
start
small
like
say,
five
dedicate
five
percent
or
five
units,
or
something
like
that
right
in
each
in
each
affordable
development
to
start
moving
that
needle
a
little
bit
so
that
you
have
sustainable
housing
stock
that
stays
dedicated
to
folks
who
are
experiencing
homelessness.
J
J
J
If
you
can
okay,
when
you
look
at
the
numbers
right,
this
is
the
the
only
way
to
make
progress.
You're,
not
making
progress
right
now,
you're
going
in
the
opposite
direction
right.
The
only
way
to
make
progress
is
to
increase
that
possibility
across
the
board.
Right,
don't
put
the
burden
on
any
one
developer,
but
try
to
share
that
right
across
because
we,
you
know
what
we
don't
want
to.
A
J
Not
silo
off
everybody
who's
homeless
into
one
development
on
their
own
right,
like
the
siloing
of
poverty,
we
know
does
not
hold
well,
that's
not
healthy
for
individuals
that
are
living
there.
It's
not
healthy
for
the
community.
So
if
you
spread
that
across
developments,
it's
more
sustainable
for
everybody
and
for
neighborhoods
to
be
honest,
except.
E
E
My
second
question
is
you
stated
that
the
housing
authority
does
not
have
a
program
to
address
homelessness
and
and
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
thought
that
that
that
one
of
the
provisions
for
being
housed
on
their
a
waiting
list,
there
is
something
on
there
that
deals
with
not
being
housed.
Am
I
correct
and
wouldn't
that
accomplish
what
we're
talking
about
regarding
homelessness
and
the
involvement
of
the
housing
authority
and
that.
E
D
J
D
And
then
I
think
heather
you're,
right
and
with
the
housing
authority.
They
don't
have
units
set
aside
our
priority
for
homelessness
and
because
so
many
people
have
priorities
so
far
as
senior
citizens.
So
far
as
our
health
problem
and
they're
putting
on
a
list,
but
there's
no
priorities
set
if
they're
made
by
them
for
homelessness.
That
way
correct.
E
I'm
not
I'm
just
saying:
can
we
just
check
those
preferences
out
thoroughly
because
everybody
just
about
everybody,
that's
on
the
on
the
waiting
list
for
the
housing
authority.
One
of
the
reasons
they're
on
the
waiting
list
is
because
they
need
to
be
housed
number
one.
And
yes,
it's
broken
down
into
other
categories.
Again,
I'm
just
saying
I
just
like
to
make
sure
so
that
if
we
need
to
approach
them,
perhaps
to
priori
prioritize
homelessness
and
their
list
of
preferences,
we'd
be
on
the
right
track.
J
J
The
housing
authority
has
to
use
the
private
market
right
with
vouchers
those
kinds
of
things,
but
they
also
struggle
to
have
landlords
engaged,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we've
done.
Work
on
the
last
couple
of
months
is
recommending
that
your
area
starts
looking
at
making
a
centralized
housing
access
program
which
what
that
means
is
that
there
is
a
program
right,
one
one
stopping
point
both
for
landlords
and
for
providers
who
are
trying
to
house
folks
who
are
homeless,
that
landlords
buy
into
and
that
providers
buy
into.
J
So
it's
a
centralized
place
that
landlords
can
get
support.
They
can
sign
up
to
be
a
landlord
providers
can
look
for
units
because,
right
now,
what
you
have
is
a
very
siloed
approach.
Right,
like
one
provider
who's
serving
homeless
folks
will
call
landlord
one.
Three.
Other
providers
are
call
that
same
landlord
the
next
day
right
so
landlords
are
getting
calls
from
multiple
people.
A
J
Could
maybe
gianna
I
can
send?
I
can
send
a
link
to
the
nashville
site
when
I
to
you,
so
you
can
send
that
out
with
this
document.
I
think
that
probably
useful
for
folks
if
they
want
to
look
at
it
and
what
it
is
is
that
you
invest
as
a
community
into
at
least
one
staff
person,
maybe
two
that
this
is
their
job.
Their
job
is
to
cultivate
partnerships
with
landlords.
Their
jobs
are
to
manage
the
inventory
of
folks
that
have
agreed
to
dedicate
units
right
and
also
manage
a
landlord
incentive
pot
right.
J
So
there's
a
sign-on
bonus
for
landlords
if
they
agree
to
dedicate
a
unit
for
12
months
to
to
do
a
12-month
lease
with
the
household
they
have
access
to
a
mitigation
fund.
If
there
is
damage
above
what
their
insurance
covers,
they
have
another
possibility
that
we've
seen
is
a
hold
fee,
meaning
like
when
a
unit
turns
over.
If
it
doesn't
turn
over
fast
enough,
then
they
can
pay
rent.
J
K
J
Definitely,
but
also
with
existing
units,
I
would
say
we
worked
in
nashville
tennessee,
who
has
a
lot
of
similar
dynamics
to
you.
Their
population
is
a
little
higher,
but
they
lots
of
similar
dynamics
around
tourists
around
availability
of
units,
all
those
they're
very
similar
dynamics
to
you,
and
they
have
been
able
to
increase
some
months
by
50
new
units
added
through
the
work
of
the
staff,
people
that
are
working
there,
that
are
dedicated
to
this
and
working
with
landlords,
and
they
are
now
having
landlords
recruit
other
landlords,
because
the
program
is
working
so
well.
J
So
that
is,
we
believe,
a
key
component
for
how
you
can
start
having
a
more
collaborative
approach
to
making
this
happen,
rather
than
the
silos
that
that
folks
are
working
in
right.
Now,
those
combined
with
the
dead
that
that
work,
combined
with
dedicating
as
many
you
know
throughout
your
project,
your
development
projects
and
working
with
the
housing
authorities
to
get
some
more
dedication
right
now
seem
to
be
the
biggest
ways
that
you
can
start
increasing
the
availability
of
units
to
folks
who
are
experiencing
homelessness.
J
A
D
They
had
me
to
go
out
and
try
to
work
with
landlords
and
10
landlords
to
do
such
the
same
thing
that
you
were
talking
about
now.
Most
of
the
landlords
didn't
want
to
do
it
because
of
the
type
money
that
the
section
they
pays
for
their
certificate
for
their
voucher
certificate
is
more
as
much
less
than
they're
renting
these
homes
are
running
this
apartment
for
now,
and
that's
one
of
the
biggest
problem
that
we
had
encountered
during
that
time.
So
how
we
can
change
it,
that's
something
I
have
to
come
up
with.
D
We
have
to
come
up
with
a
trial
to
see
how
we
can
change
that
I'll
speak
for
the
landlords,
because
they
are
renting
like
four
three
bedrooms.
They
want
fifteen
hundred
dollars
and
up
section
eight
for
three
bid
when
they
give
you
up
to,
I
think
it's
nine
hundred
dollars.
I
think
it
is,
and
that's
way
less
than
most
of
these
places
are
doing.
They
just
start
going
up
escalating
the
rent
more
on
even
some
of
these
places
that
was
lower
before
so.
J
It's
hard
all
those
challenges
are
definitely
there.
I
mean
it
definitely
takes
pounding
the
pavement
and
creating
relationships
right
to
convince
landlords
to
hey.
If
you
have
20
units
in
your
inventory,
can
we
have
one
or
two
of
them
right?
Here's
the
cash
we're
going
to
put
in
your
pocket.
If
you
can,
you
know,
contribute
just
a
little
bit,
but
it's
tough.
It
is
tough
and
it
works
over
time.
J
Right,
like
I
said
it's,
not
a
you're,
not
gonna,
get
everything
you
need
all
at
once
it
it
it's
a
it's
such
a
multi-pronged
problem
right,
you
know,
minimum
wage
I
know,
is
725
in
south
carolina
too
right.
You
know
I
mean
there's
so
many
factors
to
play
here
for
long-term
sustainability,
but
these
are
ways
to
start
around
adding
units,
and
I
do
want
to
see
if
I
gianna
and
matt
have
we've
been
in
this
conversation
for
a
long
time
just
want
to
see.
B
B
I
would
also
say
to
us:
there
are
some
low-hanging
fruit,
myself
and
heather
met
with
members
or
the
leads
of
our
housing
authorities.
So
what
we,
in
fact
need
to
do
is
follow
up
with
them
to
determine
if,
in
fact,
they
would
make
a
make
this
one
of
the
at
least
the
top
three
priorities,
because
to
heather's
earlier
comments
and
points,
they
have
a
number
of
preferences
that
they
allow.
B
I
know
that
many
of
you
have
not
been
introduced
to
what
we
call
the
continuum
of
care.
This
study
was
done
as
a
part
of
the
seven
county
area
that
the
continuum
of
care
focuses
on
with
the
county
of
charleston
and
the
city
of
charleston
being
a
part
of
that,
but
the
goal
again
being
to
see
if
we
can
garner
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
persons
that
we
are
seeing
that
are
homeless
and
then
being
able
to
transition
them
into
housing.
B
I
would
make
one
other
point
in
the
budget
that
you
approved
our
home
investment
partnership
program
budget
for
the
2022-23
program
year.
We
did
allocate
close
to
200
000.
I
think
we
had
to
alter
it
just
a
little
bit
to
ensure
we
had
a
balanced
budget
specifically
to
assist
with
mortgages,
not
mortgages
but
rent
for
those
persons
transitioning
out
of
homelessness,
so
where
we
have
found
that
there
are
some
low-hanging
fruits
we're
trying
to
grab
hold
of
them.
D
So
it's
on
the
complex,
if
you
go
to
up
to
the
complex
that
was
purchased
by
bridgeview
and
they
have
purchased
a
lot
of
these
complexes
around
like
the
the
complex
on
the
on
the
xenia
drive,
so
they're
about
1500
a
month
right
now.
I
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
change,
but
that's
what
it's
right
now,
because
some
of
the
people
are
calling
me
they
still
think
I'm
working.
So
they
call
me
the
system
finding
apartments
and
they
went
up
here.
You
know
and
that's
what
they
found.
D
The
section
certificate
was
for
one
thing,
but
the
rent
the
rent
was
higher
than
the
certificate.
So
I
tell
them
to
call
up
the
landlord
black
and
superlative
what
the
sexual
certificate
was
going
to
give
them
as
a
fourteen
hundred
dollars.
They
raised
up
a
little
bit
more.
So
that's
the
problem
they're
running
into
now,
trying
to
find
places
to
accept
those
sex,
nate,
voucher
certificate.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
heather.
Thank
you
for
working
with
us.
I
really
appreciate
your
attention
to
this
and
this
information.
One
of
your
recommendations
with
the
you
know,
convene
a
working
group.
You
know
to
monitor
this.
We
do
have
a
somewhat
regional
commission,
mayor's
commission
on
homelessness
and
affordable
housing.
Gianna
might
have
shared
with
you.
Would
that
be
a
suitable
venue,
so
to
speak,
for
for
what
you're
proposing
or
do
you
think
we
need
a
separate
group,
that's
multi-county
or
or
what?
J
That's
a
great
question:
I
I
think
I
think
a
group
that's
constituted
the
way
that
yours
is
should
definitely
be
paying
attention
to
it,
particularly
if
you
invest
in
it
right.
If
you
invest
some
some
dollars
or
time
into
getting
this
going,
I
think
you
definitely
should
be
paying
attention
to
it.
I
think
the
I
think,
there's
probably
two
different
levels
of
this:
a
working
group
that
needs
to
be
started
by
the
continuum
of
care,
which
seems
to
be,
we
think,
is
going
to
start
happening
over
the
next
month.
J
That's
experiencing
homelessness,
because
it's
where
everything
is
right.
The
same
reason:
the
majority
of
the
population
is
for
non-homeless
folks
is
still
in
charleston.
County
dorchester
and
berkeley
get
the
biggest
bleed
right
because
of
their
proximity
to
you.
But
I
think,
without
that
kind
of
multi-faceted
cooperation,
you
won't
move
the
needle,
because
the
accountability
goes
away.
J
We
looked
at
the
length
of
stay
in
shelters
and
it's
increased
right.
The
length
of
time
that
people
are
staying
in
shelter
is
has
increased,
which
means
you
don't
have
places
for
them
to
go.
It
means
they
get,
they
get
into
shelter
and
they
get
stuck
because
there
is
not
an
exit
right.
There's,
no
exit
strategy
no
place
to
exit.
J
I
Thank
you
chair.
Can
you
all
hear
me
fine
heather?
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
I
guess
this
question
is
really
for
for
janna
and
you
you
know
in
other
cities
that
I've
seen
one
way
to
address
some
of
the
homeless
issues
is,
and
we've
talked
about.
You
know
accessory
dwellings
here
in
the
district,
tiny
houses.
I
There
are
concepts
in
some
cities
where
they
have
literally
you
know
a
little
community
or
a
little
parcel
of
land
that
has
small
three
four
hundred
square
foot
units
that
are
easily
manufactured
they're
cheap.
I
mean
it
gives
folks
a
way
to
transition
from
homelessness
to
a
more
permanent
structure.
Have
we
discussed
that
talked
about
that?
Have
we
thought
about
that?
Do
you
know
how
there,
if
there's
other
cities,
that
we
could
look
at
as
an
example.
J
You
can
look
at
examples
where
it
just
increased
people's
length
of
homeless
time.
The
temporary
structures
are
a
good
fix
if
you
want
to
clear
encampments
and
you
just
move
people
to
somewhere
else.
We
have
not
seen
any
evidence
that
it
increases
a
community's
ability
for
people
to
exit
homelessness.
It
becomes
another
place
for
people
to
get
stuck
and
doesn't
actually
provide
the
exit
transitional
housing,
which
is
really
what
it
is
works.
J
We
have
seen
success
first
in
small
segments
of
folks
who
are
experiencing
homelessness.
It's
generally
around
folks
who
are
who
are
choosing
recovery,
who
want
to
go
to
sober
living
and
want
to
make
those
choices
in
general
for
most
people
experiencing
homelessness.
Transitional
housing
is
not
a
solution
and
they
either
they
get
stuck
there
and
there's
not
enough
supportive
services.
So
it's
a
it's
an
interim
step
that
costs
money
that
doesn't
actually
end
up
in
a
permanent
solution.
D
E
Yeah
with
respect
to
tiny
houses,
I
mean
that's
really
not
it's
not
a
new
concept
and
it
has
occurred
here
in
charleston
county
at
some
point.
Yes,
I
know
mom
pleasant
and
east
of
the
cooper
I
mean
years
ago.
They
were
doing
that.
I
don't
know
what
the
success
rate
was
for,
but
I
think
their
focus
might
have
been
more
for
elderly
as
opposed
to
to
to
homeless,
and
my
last
question
is:
what
are
we
doing
in
terms
of
coordinating
with
180
place?
I
mean
I'm.
E
E
My
suggestion
is
that
they
should
be
scattered
and
not
concentrated,
but
that
may
be
permanent
housing
for
for
some
of
the
homeless.
If
the
square
footage
is
right
and
everything
checks
out
so
again,
I
I
go
back
to
councilman
saccharin,
I'm
not
I'm
not
dismissing
that
at
all,
because
it
is
something
that
has
been
on
the
board
for
years
and
there
are
other
cities
that
are
doing
that.
My
biggest
issue
is
you
don't
want
to
create
concentrations
of
lower
income
are
homeless
people.
E
I
I
think
that
would
in
fact
present
a
problem
over
there
over
the
long
term,
and
I
agree
with
heather
that
you
have
to
sort
of
integrate
the
homeless
in
the
entire
community
so
that
you
really
don't
even
notice
it.
You
don't
even
know
that
they're
homeless,
but
just
making
sure
that
the
kind
of
social
services
and
support
would
also
be
available
for
these
people
and
then,
lastly,
let's
go
back
to
the
three-bedroom.
E
These
would
be
given
based
upon
need
right,
right,
heather.
In
other
words,
if
somebody
is
a
family
of
two
three
then
yeah
three
bedroom
would
be
great
for
them,
but
if
it's
only
one
person
that
three
bedroom
wouldn't
work,
but
can
you
have
two
or
three
people?
Okay,
in
that
three
bedroom
that
are
homeless?
That
could
be
sheltered
temporarily.
J
B
They
are
awaiting
funding
regulations
from
state
housing.
At
this
point,
so
there
are
some
challenges
at
the
state
housing
level.
Funding
from
state
housing
makes
up
their
capital
stack
or
the
money
that
will
eventually
have
these
units
constructed.
But
the
goal
is
there
to
provide
that
permanent
housing
that
heather
spoke
of
and
council
member
sacrament.
B
Now
I
would
just
remind
mayor
and
council
member
mitchell
and
members
of
cd
committee.
We
are
again
looking
at
the
low-hanging
fruit.
Heather
is
continuing
to
work
with
us.
In
fact,
she's
extended
her
ta
provision
to
us
to
hopefully
help
us
get
through
establishing
the
centralized
rental
model,
because
I
think
that
would
be
critical
for
us
reaching
out
to
those
landlords
getting
their
participation
in
this
process
has
been
key
because,
as
many
of
you
know,
a
number
of
them
stopped
taking
vouchers,
which
is
their
choice,
but
losing
them.
B
E
E
I
mean
in
the
old
days,
if
you
had
a
room
available,
you
rented
it
and
and
and
during
the
time
of
segregation,
african
americans
had
no
choice
but
to
be
in
a
boarding
house
situations,
because
there
were
there
really
weren't,
any
public
accommodations
for
them,
but-
and
this
is
just
not
for
the
homeless
issue.
Okay,
this
is
for
the
affordability
issue
in
general.
E
Have
we
ever
discussed
going
back
to
the
old
model
of
if
somebody's
got
a
bedroom
that
they
can
run
in
their
house
to
somebody
to
help
them
out?
They
ran
it
without
a
whole
bunch
of
complexity.
Have
we
discussed
boarding
houses
as
a
potential
remedy,
and
not
just
for
homelessness,
but
for
affordability
in
general,.
B
B
That
is
probably
the
closest
thing
to
a
boarding
house
model.
The
city
worked
maybe
three
four
years
ago,
with
the
ebenezer
social
action
foundation.
When,
again
you
all
provided
approval
for
funding
for
that
organization
to
rehab
a
house
that
they
owned
on
the
east
side,
they
were
able
to
rent
that
those
rooms.
If
you
will
to
four
different
gentlemen
who
all
resided
there
at
the
time
they
had
the
space
company
managing
that,
so
they
they
are
still
working
that
process
and
to
heather's
earlier
point.
B
D
H
Councilmember,
I
was
just
going
to
share
a
little
knowledge.
I
have
of
a
new
company
that
was
founded
in
charleston
by
a
very
fine
young
citizen.
Here
his
name
is
derek
snook
and
he
started
a
company
called
co-life
where
he
matches
councilmember
gregory
homeowners
that
have
an
extra
room
or
two
with
prospective
borders.
H
If
you
will
who
would
rent
that
one
room
and
he
he
does
a
little
bit
of
vetting
of
both
the
landlord
and
the
tenant
so
that
you
know
hopefully
they'll
get
along
and
says
hazard,
sometimes
living
together
presents
challenges
right,
but
it's
very
creative.
It's
done
online
he's
hoping
to
create
a
you
know,
a
software
platform
where
this
is
done
nationwide,
but
he
started
here
in
charleston.
So
you
might
check
that
out
and
recommended
someone.
Co-Life
is
the
name
of
a
new
company
right
here
in
charleston.
E
D
G
G
I
think
pretty
much
did
them
in
there
only
like
maybe
four
of
them
did
anybody
know
how
did
that
work
out.
This
gets
back
to
that.
I
guess
transitional
housing
and
hitler
was
talking
about
that.
Do
you
remember
that?
Were
they
successful?
What
was
the
result?
I
mean
we
never
put
them
back,
but
I
mean.
B
G
No,
those
houses
aren't
familiar
with
that
too,
but
the
houses
I'm
coming,
I
think,
actually
was
smaller
than
those
okay.
When
you,
when
you're
on
midi
street,
you
hit
you
headed
out
of
town,
you
had
huge
streets,
you
made
the
left
and
pretty
much
you
go,
wasn't
even
half
a
block.
It
would
be
right
on
your
left.
I
guess
that's
house
with
the
housing
housing.
G
They
were
built
like
little
mini
charleston
singles
and
it
had
my
understanding
for
most
of
the
term.
I
took
them
out,
but
if
you
could
come
up
with
a
model
like
that,
councilman
gregory
you,
I
agree
with
you
not
having
them
concentrated,
but
your
idea
about
I'm
gonna
use
in
filling
those.
How
would
you
infill
those
in
a
community?
Would
it
be
one
or
two
at
a
time
three
or
four
at
a
time?
E
E
H
So
so
those
were
friedman
cottages
that
they
made
two
units
out
of
each
cottage,
so
they
were
probably
four
or
500
square
feet.
So
in
a
sense
they
were
small
or
tiny
homes
or
duplexes,
but
the
intent
heather
was
that
they
were
not
transitional
that
people
would
live
there.
You
know
for
for
a
permanently
or
extended
period
of
time
it
was
great
design.
I
think
you
just
get
back
to
the
same
old
problem.
We
got
here
right
now
in
charleston
the
cost
of
real
estate
is
so
high.
G
Well,
let
me
follow
up
with
a
question.
I
agree
with.
All
of
that.
Does
anybody
is
anybody
familiar
with
an
ongoing
effort
between
the
city,
the
county
and
the
school
board,
which
owns
a
lot
of
property
that
can
be
identified
for
affordable
housing
needs?
I
mean?
Is
there
a
collectivist
that
pulled
the
property
records
for
this
charleston
county
school
district,
the
charleston
county,
proper,
charleston,
county
council
parcels,
that's
not
being
used
as
well
as
the
city
of
charleston,
that
property
that's
owned
by
government
or
government
entities
that
can
be
identified
for
affordable
housing.
B
I
met
with
the
mayor
and
and
superintendent
at
the
time.
Postal
wait
was
the
last
time
we
met
with
her
and
members
of
her
team,
but
we
have
not
had
an
ongoing
effort
in
the
more
recent
in
the
last
two
years.
If
you
will,
with
the
with
the
school
district
around
that
we
are
talking
to
charleston
county
about
their
efforts.
B
You
know
they
are
establishing
a
department
around
building,
affordable
housing,
acquiring
land
for
housing
under
daryl,
davis's
leadership,
and
so
we're
hoping
that
we'll
see
more
coming
from
them
sooner
versus
later,
but
directly
with
the
school
district.
We
have
not
had
a
more
recent
conversation
with
them.
I
Thank
you,
councilman
mayor,
you
stole
my
you
stole
my
thunder
on
the
coal
life
he's
reached
out
to
me
and
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
but
that's
another
example
of
the
private
sector,
helping
us
out,
but
to
councilman
waring's
question
about
school
district.
I
have
reached
out
to
gianna
and
others
in
school
district
and
they
are
searching
for
property
off
the
peninsula
is
what
they
told
me
in
the
north
charleston
area.
They
said
they
were
looking
particularly
west
ashley,
but
I
think
councilman
waring's
point
is
is
critical.
I
I'm
not
sure
if
I
can
help
with
this,
but
I
do
feel
like
mayor
during
our
one-on-one.
I
did
recommend
that
you
get
with
the
new
superintendent
don
kennedy
who's
very
much.
I
would
say
more
amenable
than
perhaps
jorita
was
to
this
idea
and
and
and
getting
the
powers
to
be
on
their
operations
and
facility
side,
with
some
of
our
folks
and
and
and
just
figuring
out,
if
and
identifying
those
parcels.
I
So
talking
about
working
where
you
live,
there
was
that
concept,
but
there's
also
this
other
concept,
where
it's
a
mixed
use
with
teachers,
fire
police,
any
public
service
workers.
So
we're
talking
about
getting
our
city
staff
more
close
to
work,
I
mean
I
do
feel
like
there's
some
synergy
there
with
the
school
district
to
build
something
either
on
the
peninsula,
maybe
west
ashley,
but
something
in
the
proximate
of
of
the
peninsula.
I
H
E
I
think
it
was
san
francisco
that
had
a
very
successful
model,
councilman
saccharin
with
respect
to
the
school
board,
actually
building,
they
call
teacher
housing
and
they
try
to
build
it
close
to
to
the
to
the
facility.
But,
lastly,
okay,
have
we
checked
on
va
foreclosures
of
multi-family
developments,
fha
foreclosures
on
multi-family
developments
and
in
many
cases
the
feds
would
give
that
property
to
a
municipality
for
a
dollar
I've
done
it.
I've
done
it.
E
E
E
B
Our
budget,
finance
and
revenue
collections
department
and
our
real
estate
division
falls
under
that
have
looked
at
the
inventory
of
city-owned
properties.
There
are
two
of
those
properties
that
they
have
shared
with
my
team
that
may
be
viable
for
the
development
of
affordable
housing.
Before
we
bring
that
information
to
you
all
we're
doing
reconnaissance
around
those
two
properties
to
make
sure
they
are
in
fact
viable
from
the
standpoint
of
construction.
So
our
real
estate
division
did
hear
your
concerns
from
the
last
last
meeting.
B
D
K
K
There
you
go
great.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
ma'am
all
right.
So,
mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
so
a
rental
registry
program
is
one
in
which
a
property
owner
is
required
to
keep
updated
contact
information
submitted
to
the
city
with
regard
to
the
property
and
the
tenants
of
the
property.
This
is
not
again.
This
is
not
a
new
program.
Columbia
has
had
one
since
2016.
K
Our
staff,
in
their
livability
or
code
enforcement
area,
have
noted
that
livability
issues
such
as
loud
parties,
improper
garbage
disposal
and
things
like
that
have
decreased
since
they've
implemented
their
registry
program
because
they're
able
to
quickly
connect
with
problems
and
address
them
in
in
relatively
short
order.
Other
south
carolina
municipalities
also
have
a
rental
registry
program.
K
in
2020,
though
it
really
gained
some
traction.
The
neighborhood
services
division
in
in
the
planning
department
was
tasked
to
look
at
what
other
college
towns
specifically
college
towns
just
because
we
do
have
the
college
and
that
has
its
own
set
of
unique
livability
issues
what
they
do
to
manage.
Livability
as
part
of
the
2020
city
plan
outreach,
we
also
heard
not
just
from
downtown,
not
just
from
the
peninsula,
but
we
we
heard
from
multiple
areas
of
the
city.
K
K
There
are
dedicated
staff
members
who
manage
a
program
like
this,
particularly
when
you
begin
to
look
at
the
number
of
units
that
we
would
be
looking
at,
just
even
in
the
downtown,
let
alone
a
citywide
program,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
dan
who's.
Going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
background
surrounding
this
issue.
K
C
So
we
look
at
these
areas
because
these
neighborhoods
have
a
higher
percentage
of
rental
units
and
equated
with
a
highly
significant
number
of
livability
calls,
including
loud
parties,
public
intoxication
noise,
complaints,
litter
improper
disposal
of
garbage
and
trash.
So
trying
to
resolve
these
issues
in
a
timely
manner
becomes
difficult
because
we
find
it
time
consuming
trying
to
notify
the
landlords,
because
we
don't
know
who
all
of
them
are
most
of
them
fall
under
an
llc
makes
it
difficult
to
backtrack,
trying
to
find
out
the
exact
contact
person.
C
C
So!
Every
year
it's
it's
cyclical.
Okay,
every
year
into
july,
the
old
students
move
out,
beginning
of
august,
new
students
move
in
I
say,
students,
slash
tenants
and
it's
the
same
process
over
and
over
it's.
We,
we
take
some
to
court.
We
may
issue
some
fines,
but
still
the
difficulty
exists
where
finding
that
landlord,
the
proper
contact
becomes
an
issue
to
to
mitigate
the
problem,
stop
the
problem
and
have
a
way
to
stop
it
without
repeating
over
and
over
again.
C
So,
with
this
repetitive
cycle,
we
have
to
start
our
whole
education
process.
With
these
students
tell
them
the
rules
every
year
over
and
over
over.
It's
it
stalls
the
process.
So
this
program,
the
rental
registration,
would
be
a
great
tool
to
alleviate
these
roadblocks
and
make
it
possible
for
us
to
have
a
tool
to
contact
these
property
owners
in
a
timely
manner
and
address
the
problem
more
quickly.
C
Next,
so
what
do
we
do?
We
looked
at
the
percentage
of
the
number
of
neighborhoods
that
are
taxed
at
six
percent
and,
as
you
see
here
listed
below
that,
and
also
we
corresponded
with
the
rate
of
disturbance,
complaints
and
also
livability
complaints
and
what
we
did
to
calculate
the
rate
we
divided.
The
number
of
generic
disturbance
calls
in
each
of
these
neighborhoods
and
divided
by
the
number
of
the
non-str
rentals
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
the
east
side
has
the
highest
rate
following
canon
elliot.
C
D
D
K
I
K
Yeah
we
have
a
handful
of
the
more
slides
to
go
in
this
presentation,
so,
as
dan
kind
of
mentioned,
you
know
we
looked
at
the
data
and
I
want
to
want
to
thank
several
of
the
the
neighborhood
area
presidents
in
downtown
have
reached
out,
since
we
did
that
presentation
in
public
safety.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they
know
here
publicly.
K
We
understand
that
that
pain.
We
did
a
you
know.
This
is
kind
of
a
balance
between
we
looked
at
the
numbers
and
then
we
looked
at
the
budget
impact
and
we
looked
at
how
quickly
we
thought
we
could
roll
a
program
out
and
eastside
just
kind
of
bubbled
up
to
the
top
of
that
kind
of
list
where
it's
a
manageable
number.
K
We
could
have
a
real,
quick
impact
with
the
an
initial
phase
of
this
program
there,
but
it's
by
no
means
it
was
meant
to
undercut
or
to
to
make
anyone
think
that
we
don't
take
the
concerns
that
they
have
in
the
other.
Neighborhoods,
particularly
the,
and
I
always
say
it-
wrong:
cannon
borough
elliot
borough,
neighborhood.
I
know
the
community
there.
You
know
they've
been
one
of
the
first.
K
Probably
to
voice
this
support
for
a
program
like
this,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
to
let
everyone
on
this
call
know
and
the
community
know
we
did
hear
you.
We
are
aware
it's
why
we
think
that
if
we
can
at
least
get
the
program
started
and
initiated
and
get
all
of
the
the
kinks
worked
out
with
a
smaller
population
like
the
east
side,
then
we
can
quickly
expand
to
the
other
downtown
neighborhoods,
in
particular,
in
a
relatively
short
order.
D
That
is
not
the
intent.
It
really
is.
No,
I'm
not
saying
it's
it's
it's.
What
they're
going
to
feel
the
community
is
going
to
feel
and
the
perception
of
what
it
is
when
these
other
communities
was
really
started
out
with
it
first,
because
one
time,
the
east
side
didn't
even
have
all
this
problem
with
the
rental
part
of
it.
In
the
beginning,
it
was
mostly
elibrary,
cannonbar
and
raccoon
borough,
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
on.
D
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
because
I
don't
want
us
to
come
back
and
bite
us
in
the
butt
I
might
either.
You
know
when
it
comes
back
to
this
folks
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
so
we
got
to
be
very
careful
how
we
you
know
we
look
at
that.
I
know
we
have
to
get
to
it
sooner
or
later,
but
just
looking
at
it
now,
leaving
all
these
particular
areas
alone.
D
That
was
the
first
one
that
comes
in
and
because
because
they
needed
it
because
the
way
they
are
moving
in
that
particular
area
with
the
causes
and
all
the
rental
problems
that
you
have
and
then
you
jump
into
the
east
side,
but
came
in
last.
If
you
me
with
the
problem
that
they're
having
with
the
rentals.
So
that's
what
I'm
saying
so
we
got
to
be
very
careful.
K
Understood
understood
so,
as
you
can
see
on
the
map,
these
are
units,
not
properties.
I
I
think
I
may
have
misspoken
or
something
during
the
public
safety.
So
I
wanted
to
make
it
clear
that
these
are
the
number
of
units
that
are
in
these
different
neighborhoods,
not
the
number
of
properties,
so
one
property
may
have
you
know
four
units,
another
property
may
have
40
and
another
property
may
have
150..
K
K
K
Landowners
will
are
required
to
live
or
have
a
responsible
local
representative
within
30
miles
of
the
city
of
charleston.
This
is
an
important
point,
because
so
many
of
our
rental
properties
are
owned
by
folks
who
don't
live
in
the
city
and
don't
live
in
even
the
tri-county
area,
and
so
if
we
have
an
issue
or
concern,
we
want
to
be
able
to
contact
someone
who
can
address
that
issue
or
concern
immediately,
so
we're
requiring
everybody
to
have
some
responsible
local
representative
if
they
at
their
property
that
they
or
the
landlord
may
live
far
away.
K
Maybe
so
what
we're
looking
at
is
something
kind
of
modeled
after
like
a
driver's
license.
So
if
you
have
livability
code
violation
issues
by
whether
it's
the
property
owner
or
the
tenant,
if
the
property
receives
a
code
violation,
there's
going
to
be
a
points
assessed
and
the
points
are
assessed
based
on
the
nature
of
the
violation
and
at
a
certain
point,
those
points
can
get
your
permit
suspended
or
even
revoked.
K
The
mayor
had
mentioned
during
city
council
on
tuesday,
one
of
the,
in
addition
to
the
conversation
from
tuesday
about
the
code
enforcement
board.
We
would
also
look
for
that
reconstituted
code
enforcement
board
to
be
the
clearinghouse
for
appeals
on
rental
registry
decisions,
so
that
if
there
was
a
need
to
potentially
suspend
someone's
permit
to
to
do
their
residential
rental,
they
could
get
before
the
code
enforcement
board
and
have
a
hearing
on
the
details
and
the
issues
related
to
that
and
dan.
C
So
that's
as
far
as
staff
is
concerned,
but
go
to
the
next
slide
please.
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
one
administrative
position,
two
code
enforcement
positions,
one
administrative
position
I
already
have
on
standby
and
that's
already
budgeted.
We
don't
have
to
expend
any
more
money
for
that,
but
we
would
need
two
code
enforcement
officers
to
begin
with
to
start
this
pilot
program
and
make
it
successful
so
that
we
can
move
on
to
other
neighborhoods
throughout
the
city.
In
conversations
with
colombia,
we
we
had
meetings
with
them.
C
C
So
we're
during
this
process
we're
also
looking
at
the
code
enforcement
board
ordinance
because
currently
there
are
eight
members
that
are
tasked
by
city
staff,
but
we
want
to
look
at
beyond
that.
We
want.
We
want
citizen
participation,
we
want
a
resident,
we
want
a
property
manager,
a
realtor
building
inspector
and
maybe
even
a
representative
from
college
charleston,
but
we
want
to
populate
it
with
stakeholders
that
can
have
an
unbiased
view.
C
If
you
will,
when
we
are
one
addressing
the
rental
registration
and
have
an
unbiased
view
for
the
appeals
process,
but
we
want
to
use
it
as
a
tool
to
provide
more
resources,
sources
or
recommendations
to
try
to
resolve
the
issues
that
were
happening
with
the
vacant
properties
that
we
currently
have.
And
I
will
say
just
on
a
quick
note-
maybe
not
attending
here,
but
we
currently
have.
J
K
Right
so
education
and
community
are
communication
plan
for
the
pilot,
so
one
we
do
know
that,
particularly
in
the
downtown
area
college
students
are
one
of
our
main
groups
of
tenants.
So
we
would
continue
to
work
with
communication
materials
that
we
could
distribute
to
the
college.
We
will
collaborate
with
the
college
of
charleston
on
the
text
and
how
we
could
actually
get
things
to
people
using
text,
messages
or
emails
or
doing
even
workshops.
K
Our
neighborhood
services
division,
as
well
as
livability
they've,
worked
very
closely
with
the
college
of
charleston
on
other
projects,
including
operation
move
out
and,
and
things
like
that.
So
we
think
we
have
a
good
rapport
and
we
can
continue
to
build
on
that
as
it
relates
to
this
program
further,
we
would
be
looking
at
working
with
landlords,
property
owners
and
their
managers
and
realtor
community
doing
you
know,
standard
media
practices
such
as
making
sure
that
we
got
a
press
release
out
to
folks
to
let
them
know.
K
We
would
also
look
at
mailing
some
kind
of
information,
flyer
notice
to
all
the
six
percent
properties
within
within
the
pilot
area,
so
within
the
east
side
and
then,
as
we
move
to
the
other
neighborhoods,
we
would
also
do
the
similar
rollout
there.
We'd
also
provide
opportunities
for
workshops
with
landlords
and
property
owners,
so
they
could
come
in.
Ask
questions
and
better
understand
what
what
the
requirements
would
be
under
this
program
and
then
just
working
with
neighbors
and
owner-occupied
housing
so
that
they
can
understand.
What's
going
on.
K
We
would
also
be
prepared
to
present
to
any
neighborhood
associations
or
community
groups
that
may
be
out
there
that
want
to
hear
how
this
is
going
to
work
next
slide.
So
our
next
steps
so
we're
here
at
cd
committee
today
we
are
anticipating
that,
based
on
comments
we
hear
today
we'll
we
will
have
the
potential
to
make
some
edits
to
the
to
the
ordinance
that
the
legal
team
has
been
working
on
with
us,
so
that
we
could
have
that
available.
K
As
early
as
the
august
meeting
for
first
read
at
city
council,
followed
by
you,
know,
second
read
and
adoption.
Hopefully,
in
september,
we
would
then
initiate
the
education
and
outreach
efforts
so
that
we
could
begin
getting
folks,
particularly
august.
We
have
move
in
for
the
college.
So
again,
we
want
to
hit
the
ground
running
with
information
for
for
folks
there.
K
While
we're
doing
all
of
that
in
doing
the
the
council
process,
we
would
also
be
finalizing
the
workflow.
We
would
be
working
to
get
the
website
up
and
finalizing
what
that
permit.
Application
would
look
like
with
the
the
expectation
that
we
fully
launched
the
program
in
q4
of
this
year,
based
on
the
resources
that
we
have
available
now
and
again,
dan's
budget
request.
All
of
it
would
assume
that
we'd
get
the
budget
request
for
the
necessary
positions.
D
K
D
Before
councilman
sacramento,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
if
this
is
going
to
start
on
the
east
side
first,
I
would
like
them
to.
I
look
like
someone
to
go
to
the
east
side
meeting
to
explain
this,
because
if
not
I'm
going
to
have
a
problem,
I
already
know
that
already.
So
I
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
go
to
the
neighbor
association
president
or
not,
I
think
their
meeting
is
coming
up
the
first
wednesday
and
in
august
they
have.
D
The
meeting
is
the
first
wednesday
in
august
and
if
someone
can
contact
miss
sheila
fields
to
get
on
that
agenda,
to
explain
this
to
the
neighborhood
association-
and
I
know
the
literatures
you're
going
to
put
out
and
try
to
get
to
the
community,
but
go
to
that
neighborhood
association,
because
I
don't
need
a
big
problem
coming
and
I
have
enough
problems
going
on,
and
this
is
something
new
coming
up.
You
know
and
we
having
problems
there
already.
D
So
this
is
what
my
advice
to
do
is
to
advise
that
someone
go
to
a
neighborhood
association
meeting
and
explain
exactly
what
this
is
going
to
be
all
about.
Now,
on
the
long
term
that
we
get
all
this
information
today,
this
is
a
short
presentation
of
what's
going
to
take
place
so
far
as
this
registration
is
concerned,.
K
Okay
well
becca's
on
here.
We
I'll
have
her
get
a
hold
of
sheila
fields.
Yes,
and
we
will
we
will
reach
out
and
try
to
get
on
the
agenda
so
that
we
can
preview.
This
becca
has
already
been
working
with
a
number
of
neighborhood
presidents
through
this
conversation,
so
hopefully
it
doesn't
take
anyone
by
by
surprise
the
the
difference
would
be.
K
D
Only
reason
I
say
that,
because
the
east
side
is
going
to
be
the
first
one
you're,
starting
with
the
rest
going
to
come
later,
so
we
are
talking
about
this
now.
If
we
want
this
approved
now,
they'll
be
there
before
we
can
get
any
things
done
and
all
they'll
be
hearing
is:
oh,
they
approve
this
then
come
and
let
us
know
that's
what
I'm
saying
I
understand
I'm
out
there
and
you
all
are
not
so
what
I'm
saying
is
that
this
is
what
I
need
to
be
happening
in
the
community
that
I
represent.
I
Thank
you
chair,
and
thank
you
robert
for
for
this.
I
was
at
the
neighborhood
president's
consortium
peninsula
meeting
about
a
month
ago,
and
this
was
one
of
the
things
that
they
had
suggested
that
we
talk
about.
So
this
is
timely.
A
couple
questions
I
do
have,
and
I'm
just
going
to
ask
the
question.
I
think
maybe
councilman
mitchell's
is
alluding
to
this.
I
know
you
all
want
to
do.
A
small
pilot
is
the
reason
for
the
east
side
pilot
focused
on
the
east
side.
I
Is
there
some
sort
of
practical
reason
for
that
or
it's
just
to
keep
the
numbers
small
and
might
I
suggest,
maybe
a
little
bit
from
the
east
side
a
little
bit
from
earl
cannonborough
if
that's
possible?
If
not,
you
continue
with
the
east
side,
it
didn't
know
if
it
was
a
practical
reason
for
the
east
side.
That's
my
first
question.
The
second
one
is:
what
leverage
are
we
are
we
leaning
into
with
the
landlords?
I
K
K
Currently,
the
the
code
is
more
than
four
units
we're
looking
at
reducing
it
to
two
correct
yeah,
so
that
is
a
that
is
a
change
that
we
would
be
looking
to
do
to
address
that
and
combine
the
two
so
yeah.
So
you
would
put
your
license
at
jeopardy
if
you're
non-compliant
with
the
registry
program,
so
that
would
be
kind
of
the
the
stick
in
that
back
to
the
first
part
of
your
question.
K
So
yes,
so
we
identified
the
east
side,
because
when
we
looked
at
those
metrics
they
had
a
high
number
of
livability
complaints
with
a
more
manageable
number
of
of
units
to
get
started
with
the
program.
So
we
could
so
we
looked
at
that
number
and
we
said
we
could
get
a
really
potentially
big
bang
for
the
effort
with
the
with
the
east
side.
So
that
was
the
analysis
that
we
put
in
place
when
we
selected
the
east
side
neighborhood
for
to
start
with.
I
That's
fine.
I
appreciate
the
explanation
and
then
the
last
question
I
had
was
the
local
representation
requirement.
So
if
the
landlord
doesn't
live
here,
how
is
that?
I
guess?
How
is
that
even
legal
we're
going
to
require
them
to
appoint
somebody?
That's
within
the
30
mile
radius,
what
if
they
that
person
they
don't
have
anybody.
K
K
Very
often,
that's
a
property
management
company,
usually,
if
you're
out
of
the
market,
you
have
someone,
that's
looking
after
your
property,
that's
meeting
with
potential
tenants
to
give
keys
and
things
like
that,
if
you're
a
smaller
operation
that
that
can
often
be
like
a
family
friend
or
a
handyman
or
something,
but
I
I
don't,
I
will
look
at
becca
or
dan
if
they
heard
anything.
But
having
worked
on
a
similar
program
for
my
previous
job.
E
K
E
C
So
that's
why
we're
not
looking
at
that
as
a
factor
and
what
we're
looking
at
rental
registration,
because
in
a
sense
you
have
your
own
management
component
with
the
housing
authority
right
all
we
have
to
do.
We
know
who
they
are
right,
they're
part
of
it.
It
takes
one
call,
that's
all
we
got
it,
but
with
these
other
ones,
we
have
complications
in
reaching
out
to
that
responsible
person
to
address
it
quickly.
All
we
have
to
do
is
call
the
housing
authority.
It's
done.
They
they
work
with
us
very
closely.
D
You
hypothetical
question,
then
suppose
we
have
this
in
place
and
everyone
is
not
aware
of
it
yet,
but
they're
renting
a
house
on
the
east
side
and
they're,
renting
it
to
a
person
that
have
a
section,
a
certificate,
a
section
8,
voucher,
okay
and
one
of
the
tenants
might
violate
whatever
the
case
may
be,
and
you
try
to
contact
whomever
the
landlord
is
and
can't
contact
them
and
then
the
registration
they
lose.
The
business
license.
C
C
K
And
mr
chairman,
I
would
also
throw
out-
and
maybe
we
didn't
go
into
enough
detail
on
the
point
system,
but
the
reality
is
with
the
point
system,
the
you
have
to
build
up
a
pile
of
issues
before
you're,
going
to
get
to
a
place
where
your
your
license
is
in
jeopardy.
It's
not
a.
There
was
a
loud
party
at
the
house,
so
you
got
a
a
cpd
call,
and
so
you
got
issued
a
noise
complaint
ticket
and
now
suddenly
your
your
regis,
you
know
your
rental
permit,
is
in
jeopardy
and
that
it
jeopardizes
your
license.
K
A
K
A
F
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
is
very
worth
exploring,
given
some
of
the
challenges
we've
had
throughout
the
peninsula,
not
just
in
any
one
particular
neighborhood,
so
so
I'm
I'm
generally
supportive
and
and
very
open-minded
to
this
approach,
but
I
just
wanted
to
I
I
feel
so
torn
you
know.
On
the
one
hand,
I
want
to
say
that
the
fee
of
25
is
way
too
low
and
should
be
jacked
up
to
help
offset
offset
the
cost
of
this
program,
the
staff
time
the
resources
etc.
F
F
F
You
know
on-site
management
companies,
you
know
for
certain
types
of
those
uses,
so
there
is
some
precedent
for
that,
and
we
really
just
need
to
you
know,
get
the
message
out
through
our
policy
that
the
days
of
just
being
an
absentee
landlord,
that's
not
paying
attention
to
the
quality
of
their
of
their
structures.
It's
not
paying
attention
to
their
tenants
and
what
they're
doing
that
those
days
are
over
in
the
city
of
charleston
we're
going
to
try
to
highlight
and
focus
in
on
some
of
the
worst
offenders.
F
F
H
H
H
H
I
mean
it
adds
accountability
for
bad
actors,
and
I
hear
you
councilmember
pal,
that
maybe
we
could
do
a
scalpel
rather
than
a
shotgun,
but
I
mean
the
fact:
is
you
never
know
who
the
tenants
are
gonna
be
and
in
today's
world,
particularly
where
ownership
of
of
rental
properties
has
has
kind
of
been
veiled,
cloaked
with
llc's,
and
it's
so
much
harder
to
know
who's?
Who
I
I'll
be
honest
with
you?
I
I
really
think
to
to
give
us
a
long-term
effect
of
of
a
program
like
this.
H
You
you
got
to
include
every
everybody,
and
it's
not
that
onerous.
I
mean
we're
we're
asking
for
a
a
25
annual
fee.
So
it's
a
very
reasonable
thing
to
ask,
and
I
I
think
the
intent
of
this,
though,
is
just
think
about
that
long-term
livability
and
I
think
our
citizens
are
going
to
be
very
pleased
long-term
with
with
a
program
like
this.
D
K
My
apologies
councilman
or
mr
chairman,
could
I
just
ask:
was
there
as
we're
trying
to
finalize
a
ordinance
to
bring
forward
to
council
for
first
reading
in
august?
Was
there
an
opinion
at
from
this
committee
as
to
whether
or
not
to
continue
to
include
the
requirement
for
a
local
property
representative
or
not
it?
That
seemed
to
be
the
only
point
of
I
don't
know
contention's
the
wrong
word,
but
I
just
as
we're
drafting
that
was
there
an
interest
in
us
trying
to
make
some
change
there
again.
K
I
Thank
you
chair.
I
mean
I
was
concerned
robert,
but
not
so
concerned,
to
leave
it
out.
I
mean
maybe
it's
worthy
of
discussion
in
council
as
we
go
through
first
and
second
reading,
and
my
question
was
more
about.
Is
that
legal
to
do,
but
if
you've
seen
it
in
other
places,
I'm
good
with
keeping
it
in.
E
D
Okay,
it
was
approved
that
we
forward
the
rental
registration
on
to
city
council
all
in
favor,
but
by
saying
aye,
aye
moses
eyes
have
it
so
this
will
go
on
so
we'll
move
around
to
number
three
discussion
regarding
frequency
of
meeting,
because
we
have
a
few
minutes.
We
have
a
couple
of
meetings
at
five
which
I
have
one
at
five
also
meeting
on
community
development.
D
F
Sure
sure
I
appreciate
that
I
appreciate
y'all
putting
this
on
the
agenda.
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
most
important
committees
that
that
we
have
at
the
city.
You
know,
as
councilman
gregory
has
pointed
out
on
numerous
occasions
under
our
code,
this
this
committee
technically
has
jurisdiction
over
not
just
you
know,
affordable
housing,
homelessness
issues,
things
of
that
nature,
which
is
you
know,
typically
takes
up
the
predominant
amount
of
time
we
spend
in
this
committee.
But
the
committee
also
has
jurisdiction
over
general.
F
F
I
think
we
had
several
meetings
here
at
the
cd
level
and
I
just
think
that
it's
it's
healthy
for
us
to
be
as
council
members,
more
engaged
in
sort
of
the
manufacturing
and
development
of
zoning
and
land
use
policy.
So
it
doesn't
just
hit
us
at
council,
after
going
through
the
planning
commission,
that
we
also
have
some
feedback,
as
the
policies
are
being
developed
so
to
speak,
and
so
in
order
to
effectuate
that
I
think
it's
very
difficult.
F
If
we
try
to
pack
all
of
that
in
with
all
of
the
stuff
that
you
know,
gianna
and
her
department
bring
forward
to
us
in
the
same
agenda.
So
maybe
what
I
would
propose
is
that
we
we
meet
more
often
as
a
cd
committee,
but
we
we
almost
break
the
cd
committee
down
like
the
way
we
break
the
bza
down.
In
other
words,
we
could
have
like
a
cd
committee
meeting
flash
giannis
department.
F
Then
we
could
have
a
cd
committee
meeting
where
it's
more
robert
and
christopher
and
lee
in
the
zoning
department.
So
we
sort
of
separate
the
functions
out
a
little
bit
and
there'll
be
times
when
there's
some
overlap,
and
this
doesn't
need
to
be
sort
of
a
you
know
super
strict
rule,
but
just
generally
from
a
from
a
preparation
standpoint.
F
You
know
we
sort
of
divide
up
the
tasks
of
the
cd
committee
sort
of
that
way.
But
but
you
know
when
I
look
out
at
the
city's
issues
and
challenges
around
affordable
housing
and
all
the
things
we
always
talk
about,
there's
so
much
work
that
that
needs
to
be
done
from
a
planning
and
zoning
perspective,
and
I
just
think
that
it's
incumbent
upon
us
as
council
members
to
to
activate
that
responsibility-
and
you
know,
honoring
the
committee
structure,
as
councilman
gregory
has
pointed
to
over
the
years
and.
F
D
I
Sacrament
thanks
council,
alright
chairman,
I'm
not
gonna,
belabor
ross's
points,
but
I
mean
I
agree
100
of
those
points
so
either
we
separate
divide
the
the
meeting
into
two
once
a
month.
It's
it's
planning
and
zoning
and
the
other
once
a
month.
It
could
potentially
be
some
of
the
other
issues,
the
other.
I
The
other
thing
I
do
want
to
mention,
as
as
hark
gets
up
and
running,
and
we've
got
our
second
meeting
this
evening
at
five
o'clock,
we're
charged
with
the
next
couple
months
to
basically
come
to
to
council
with
recommendations
on
where
the
special
commission
recommendations
are
go.
As
you
all
know,
a
large
portion
of
those
recommendations
really
should
be
funneled
through
cd,
so
we're
going
to
be
charged
with
a
lot
of
work
over
the
next
six
months
to
a
year
as
we
funnel
through
and
kind
of
reconcile
with
some
of
the
recommendations.
I
I
So
when
those
recommendations
are
discussed
and
forwarded,
we're
not
flat-footed
and
waiting,
because
I
will
just
say
that
the
heart
process,
the
way
we
have
a
design
it's
going
to
take
a
while
to
get
out
of
park
to
the
standing
committees,
I
don't
want
to
add
undue
burden
and
extra
time
to
the
process.
So
I
agree
with
ross.
If
there's
any
way,
we
can
meet
twice
a
month,
maybe
divide
the
work
up.
D
Okay,
in
my
opinion,
as
a
chairman,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
have
another
meeting
as
such
and
schedule
two
scheduled
meeting
per
month.
If
there's
a
meeting
that
we
need
to
call,
we
need
to
have
a
call
meeting.
We
have
so
much
meetings
going
on
now
that
is
butting
up
between
other
each
meeting
right
now
that
we're
having
and
we
are
stressing-
you
know
even
the
the
clerk's
office
out
in
with
these
meetings,
and
we
have
a
whole
lot
of
meetings.
D
So
I
believe,
if
we
have,
we
need
to
have
a
meeting.
We
can
always
have
a
call
meeting
for
the
cd
committee
if
we
have
something
else
coming
on
the
agenda
that
we
need
to
discuss
if
it's
something
we're
planning
on
zoning
or
planning
something
else,
but
just
to
have
a
regular
schedule,
meeting
two
regular
schedule
meetings
a
month,
that's
going
to
put
a
lot
of
pressure
on
everyone
else,
who's,
even
working
and
who,
who
is
having
even
with
the
clerk's
office,
putting
all
these
things
together.
So
we're
not
only
thinking
about.
D
We
can't
only
think
about
ourselves
on
a
lot
of
different
issues.
We
got
to
think
about
office
too.
You
know
working
and
have
have
to
do
other
meetings,
the
same
that
we
are
doing
now,
because
some
of
us
have
two
meetings
per
month.
Some
some
people
have
five
or
six
meetings
per
month,
like
I
have
seven
eight
meetings
per
month,
not
just
no
one,
two
meetings.
Some
of
us
don't
have
that
type
meetings
that
we
have
to
attend
all
the
time.
D
So
I
believe,
if
you
need
a
call,
meaning
that
something
is
coming
up
more
important,
that
we
have,
we
can't
wait
for
the
cd
committee
meeting.
We
can
call
another
cd
committee
meeting
and
I
think
that's
the
way
we
should
do
it
when
it's
when
it
arises
when
things
arise.
That
way,
that's
just
my
own
opinion.
E
It's
really,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
it's
just
been
within
the
last
four
years
or
so
that
I
think
that
the
standing
committees
are
are
are
are
finally
functioning
the
way
they
should
be
in
the
past.
Some
of
our
meetings
would
be
15
minutes
long
and
we're
gone,
and
I
just
don't
think
that
that's
a
fair
representative
of
the
interests
of
the
people,
this
city,
so
I
am
all
for
I
mean
this
meeting-
is
almost
two
hours.
Okay
and
we
haven't.
E
Even
we
haven't
even
touched
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we
should
be
touching.
I
don't
think
that
we,
you
know,
I
think
as
needed
is
fine,
but
I
do
think,
however,
on
community
planning
and
development
right
now,
there's
a
lot
coming
through
and
mr
chairman,
we
may
have
to
call
more
than
one
meeting
a
month
to
get
through
all
that.
E
But
for
that
there
would
be
none.
So
you
know
I'm
sort
of
in
the
middle
here,
but
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
need
for
us
to
spend
more
time
and
effort
in
these
standing
committees
and
dealing
with
these
issues
like
we
just
did
today,
and
we
should
do
that
with
every
issue
that
that's
brought
before
us.
I
You
I
understand
what
you're
saying
councilman
mitchell
and
councilman
gregory.
I
just
want
to
applaud
jennifer
and
her
team
around
instituting
the
standing
meeting
schedule,
because
that
is
tremendously
helpful.
We're
all
not
you
know
no
offense,
you
know,
I'm
not
a
you
know,
I'm
not
retired.
I
have
a
family
with
other
jobs.
So
having
standing
meetings
on
the
schedule
is
tremendously
helpful
to
build
around
around
that
schedule
and
be
flexible.
I
Maybe
a
compromise.
Councilman
mitchell
would
be
a
standing
cd
meeting
the
second
week
and
thursday,
and
you
make
that
call.
We
make
that
call
as
a
team
prior,
you
know
either
it's
on
or
it's
off
at
least
I
can
build
it
in
my
calendar
and
schedule
it
knowing
all
right.
If
we
are
going
to
have
a
cd
meeting,
it's
going
to
be
this
day
and
if
not,
we
don't
need
it.
Then
we
don't
need
it.
I
mean.
Would
that
be
something
you'd
be
open
to.
D
Well
see,
that's
what
we
have
to
check
to
see
how
all
these
other
meetings
are
coming
forth,
real
estate,
this
meeting.
That
means
that
meeting
all
these
meetings
you're
having
we
can't
have
it
about
internet
while
another
and
still
don't
have
enough
time
to
even
you
know,
do
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
with
the
meetings.
D
D
I'm
gonna
have
to
to
check
more
with
the
the
clerk
to
see
how
all
these
other
meetings
you
know
with
these
other
meetings,
the
dates
these
meetings,
the
time
these
meetings
come
up
and
there's
every
who's
going
to
be
available
available
to
be
at
the
meeting,
because
you're
going
to
have
to
have
the
quorum
to
these
particular
meeting.
Also,
so
all
these
things
have
to
be
taken
in
factors
when
you
schedule
these
particular
meetings.
D
E
E
Most
of
the
time
is
driven
from
from
staff
up,
that's
not
to
say
that
we
can't
put
things
on
the
agenda
ourselves,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
this
is
going
to
go
into
whether
or
not
staffing
is
at
a
point
that
they
could
support
two
meetings
a
month
from
from
cd
two
meetings
a
month,
perhaps
from
human
affairs
to
meetings.
I'm
just
saying
it's,
it's
a
lot
of
it's
staff
driven.
D
And
that's
why
the
time
was
changed
because
you
know
the
community
development
was
later.
It
used
to
be
at
four
four
o'clock
or
four
thirty,
so
we
changed
it
to
3
o'clock
to
have
more
time
to
you
know
to
be
able
to
discuss,
because
we
know
a
lot
of
things
was
coming
on
the
agenda
for
the
city
committee
councilman
pal.
I
think
you
had
your
hands
up.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
this
has
been
a
good
discussion
and,
like
jason
I
mean
I
am
I'm
a
real
busy
guy
like
I'm
in
georgetown.
Right
now,
I
represent
the
city
of
georgetown.
I've
got
to
go
brief
them
in
executive
session.
I'm
trying
to
do
a
committee
meeting
on
zoom
going
up
to
the
francis
marion
national
forest.
I
get
it.
These
meetings
are
a
lot.
We
have
a
lot
on
our
plate
as
council
members,
I
totally
get
it.
We
signed
up
for
objectively
crazy
jobs.
F
There's
no
there's
no
question
about
it
with
what
we
do
that
that
all
being
said
zone,
the
needed,
zoning
and
land
use
policy
changes
we
need
to
make
in
this
city
are
not
going
to
happen
organically.
It's
not
going
to
happen
with
some.
We
always
are
like
kind
of
looking
into
other
sources
to
solve
these
problems.
Oh
it's
going
to
be
the
consultant
that
that
redoes,
the
the
zoning
ordinance
for
us
it's
going
to
be.
F
Staff.
Bringing
things
towards
for
us
is
very
important,
but
but
that
should
not
be
the
only
function
here
I
mean
we
need
to
be
much
more
engaged
in
the
legislative
process
as
the
city.
It's
not
our
job.
Just
to
show
up
look
at
these
agendas
approve
discuss.
You
know,
vote
vote
on
it
at
a
city
council
meeting.
We
need
to
be
the
ones
bringing.
B
This
stuff
forward
and
legislating
mitchell
I
can
confer
with
jennifer
and
her
team
and
look
at
a
date
if
it
is
the
desire
of
the
city
committee.
That
would
be
an
option
for
the
committee
if
that
second
meeting
is
necessary,
as
I
believe
councilmember
gregory
proposed,
and
we
could
bring
that
back
to
you
in
august.
A
And
mr
chairman,
just
to
back
up
what
gianna
was
saying,
we're
I
think
councilmember
saccharin
has
to
sign
off,
actually
have
to
sign
off
so
that
we
can
start
another
meeting.
Yes,
so
why
don't?
We
look
for
a
second
date
gianna
and
I
will
get
together
where
we
could
possibly
have
another
cd
meeting
and
we'll
just
leave
it
up
to
the
pleasure
of
the
committee.
If
that's
what
you
want
to
do
and.
K
K
Too
much
more
oil
on
that,
but
just
a
reminder
that
the
the
department
of
planning
coordinates
more
than
a
hundred
public
meetings
as
well
a
year.
So
our
calendar
is
not
not
short
on
meetings.
So
we
need
to
be
just
careful
when
we're
scheduling,
particularly
if
we're
wanting
additional
participation
within
the
planning
department.
Just
because
of
all
of
the
meetings
that
we
also
run
separate,
and
apart
from
the
council.