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City of Charleston Community Development 5/19/22
A
A
A
C
Today
is
thursday
may
19,
and
I'd
like
to
call
the
community
development
committee
meeting
to
order
and
right
now
the
time
is
approximately
3
11,
and
it's
customary
I'd
like
to
have
a
small
file
ahead
for
indication
of
this
time
of
meditation.
Just
remember
the
people
in
ukraine
and
also
remember
the
family
who
lost
their
lives,
a
mother
and
two
young,
ladies
who
just
finished
college
and
lost
their
life
during
the
time
mother's
day.
That
was
a
tragedy
event,
so
we
can
keep
them
in
our
prayers,
keep
the
families
in
our
prayers.
Thank
you.
C
C
Can
I
get
a
motion,
please
someone
check
it
on
favorite
book
by
saying
aye
who's
near
eyes.
Have
it
now
we're
gonna
move
down
to
public
participation,
but
we
don't
have
anyone
else
inside
the
the
everyone
that's
on
the
agenda,
so
we
can
move
right
off
along
to
the
old
business
which
we
have
none
maybe
accomplish
a
new
business.
C
The
first
thing
we
have
on
the
new
business
is
certification
of
abandoned
building
site,
which
is
95
line
street
slash,
267
cummings
street
and
most
of
the
the
committee
members
should
have
received
copies
of
the
building
this,
showing
it's
on
the
corner
of
line
and
coming
that
building
was
there
for
years
and
years.
I
remember
when
I
was
a
little
boy
passing
by
those
are
that
particular
building
so
right
now
we
can
go
we'll.
Have
our
our
city
attorney
to
explain
it
to
us.
Please.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
mitchell,
so
members
of
the
committee,
both
here
in
person
and
online,
this
application
was
received
october,
6
2021..
The
reason
there's
two
addresses
is,
I
think
it
was
sent
to
you
in
the
memo.
There's
a
picture
of
a
gis
aerial.
The
building
covers
both
of
these
properties.
So
that's
why
you
have
two
addresses.
A
C
D
Yes,
sir
good
afternoon,
councilmember
mitchell,
mayor
and
members
of
the
cd
committee
of
city
council,
the
first
request
that
is
before
you
is
from
the
gateway
of
charleston
development
team.
They
are
requesting
from
the
city
of
charleston
543
thousand
dollars
to
support
the
construction
of
69
senior,
affordable
rental
apartments
in
the
west
ashley
community.
D
D
What
we
have
before
us
is
a
number
of
requests
relative
to
housing,
because
many
developers
at
this
time
are
facing
challenges
in
the
market
with
the
rise
of
interest
rate,
the
cost
of
construction
as
well
as
supply
chain
issues.
So
there
are
a
number
of
number
of
things
that
are
causing
the
gaps
in
funding.
One
of
the
requirements
from
state
housing
as
well
and
state
housing
provides
the
low
income
housing.
Tax
credits
is
that
the
developer
fee
remains
at
50,
50
or
below,
and
so
these
folks
we
have
not
previously
funded
them.
D
D
D
Yes,
sir,
so
before
you,
this
is
a
request
from
the
humanities
foundation,
who
is
redeveloping
archer
school
in
the
east
side,
community
of
charleston,
and
they
are
building
89
units.
I
got
the
nod,
I
wanted
to
say
88
for
some
reason:
89
units
of
senior
rental
housing,
affordable
senior
rental
housing
council
may
recall
that
previously
or
the
committee
may
recall
previously-
that
we
awarded
four
million
dollars
in
bond
funds
towards
the
acquisition
of
the
archer
school.
D
This
would
come
from
the
balance
of
bond
funds
that
we
had,
and
so
this
would
and
literally
take
care
of
of
what
we
had
available
in
our
bond
dollars.
I
think
we
have
a
project
where
they
have
not
used
their
funds,
but
it
has
been
committed
and
approved
by
this
committee
and
members
of
council.
So
that
is
our
recommendation
before
you
and
we
do
have
miss
doran
here
with
us.
If
I
can't
answer
the
questions
that
you
might
have.
B
D
All
of
the
above,
including
making
sure,
as
as
I
indicated
earlier,
part
of
what
state
housing
requires
when
they
award
low
income
housing
tax
credits
is
ensuring
that
the
developer
fee,
which
is
basically
the
developer's
fee
for
doing
the
work
and
that
fee
enables
them
to
basically
run
their
business.
That
has
to
be
below
50
or
50
percent
or
below,
and
I
I
don't
recall,
tracy
where
yours
was.
It
might
have
been
at
52
or
a
little
bit
higher.
C
Thank
you
before.
I
call
for
the
question
that
particular
school
is
a
old
school
archer
school
is
in
district
of
representing
it
was
sitting
there
for
years
and
years
and
years
on
occupy
and
something
we
I'm
happy
to
see
something
being
done
with
that
in
that
particular
area.
You
know
to
approve
that
area
and
enhance
that
area
and
since
the
housings
for
seniors
coming,
you
know
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
east
side
community.
They
don't
have
a
problem
with
it.
C
C
F
Yeah-
and
I
would
like
to
ask
her
a
specific
question
or
two
one
is
to
please
introduce
her
son
to
everyone-
it's
so
great-
to
have
another
generation
of
doran's
committed
to
building
affordable
housing
in
our
city.
I'm
very
thankful
to
see
that,
but
I
did
want
to
ask
where
we
stand
where
you
stand
on
the
lee
street
property
as
well.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
your
support
and
mayor
and
city
council
members
for
the
support
for
archer
and
before
I
answer
your
question.
I
do
want
to
say
with
the
approval
of
today
and
city
council,
we
hope
to
close
next
week
and
have
a
groundbreaking
shortly
thereafter
in
june
meeting
everyone's
schedule.
So
thank
you
for
your
support.
G
Lee
street,
we
decided
when
the
state
tax
credit
changes
happened
and
we
could
not
apply
for
our
bonds
to
hold
off
for
a
minute
and
figure
out
exactly
the
best
way
to
fund
lee
street
get
archer
started.
We
have
a
little
more
time
since
we
purchased
the
property
to
plan
for
that,
and
so
we
are
working
on
our
plan.
We're
also
looking
at
the
potential
of
utilizing
lee
street
as
some
of
the
replacement
housing
for
rad
in
that
area
and
collaborating
on
that.
So
we
have
a
plan.
G
We
just
decided
to
focus
on
archer,
which
has
been
a
very
difficult
development
to
get
done.
So
we
are
very
pleased
to
be
at
this
point.
We
hate
to
have
to
be
back
here
before
you
today,
but
we're
very
excited
about
what
that
will
do.
For
the
community
and
lee
street
will
be
right
behind
it.
Great.
Thank
you.
F
G
F
C
C
D
Previously,
the
navigation
center
was
there
and
it
provides
through
staff
and
a
partnership
with
various
providers
in
our
community
services
to
those
who
are
homeless
and
those
who
are
at
risk
of
homelessness
and
so
again,
what
is
before
you
today
is
an
amendment
to
that
lease
agreement,
extending
it
through
the
first
quarter
of
2023
and
then,
of
course,
if
we're
not
prepared.
At
that
point,
we
will
have
to
go
back
to
the
owners
of
this
building.
Who
are
referred
to
as
kqc
investors
llc
to
negotiate
an
extended
time
frame
in
the
lease?
D
C
H
So
thank
you,
chair
mitchell,
for
this
presentation
we'll
be
discussing
funding
for
affordable
housing
and
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
as
we
seek
to
address
this
important
need
in
the
city.
So
we'll
speak
through
some
background.
Discuss
the
current
state
of
funding
assistance.
We
are
providing
look
at
projections
over
the
next
five
years
and
consider
a
few
potential
tools
to
better
address.
This
need.
H
If
you
look
at
the
pie
chart
on
the
right,
which
comes
from
our
new,
affordable
housing
dashboard,
which
we
shared
with
you
last
month,
you
can
see
how
much
progress
we've
made
thus
far.
We
have
852
units
that
are
active
in
the
development
process
and
we'll
be
finishing
over
the
next
few
years,
which,
as
you
can
see
with
that
852
units.
H
A
H
Me
so
as
a
reminder
when
we
talk
about
affordable
housing,
we're
typically
speaking
about
those
that
are
earning
incomes
at
or
below,
80
percent
of
the
area
median
income,
and
when
we
expand
the
discussion
to
include
affordable
home
ownership
opportunities,
not
just
rental.
We
expand
that
definition
to
go
up
to
120
of
the
area
median
income.
H
So,
as
you
know,
the
city
plays
a
critical
role
in
addressing
the
need
for
affordable
housing
in
our
city
in
the
nature
of
affordable
housing
again
where
rents
are
restricted,
and
thus
cash
flows
are
limited,
means
that
gaap
financing
is
required
from
local
government
to
make
an
affordable
housing
development
pencil
out.
This
is
especially
true
in
charleston,
where
land
prices
are
so
high.
As
such
the
department
of
housing
and
community
development
utilizes
any
funding
source,
we
can
get
our
hands
on
to
facilitate
these
new
housing
opportunities.
H
These
funds
are
used
to
utilize,
are
utilized
to
pursue
development
opportunities,
provide
gap,
financing
on
a
project
and
to
acquire
land
for
affordable
housing.
So
we
wanted
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what
that
support
has
looked
like
recently,
so
we
looked
at
our
seven
most
recent
developments
that
we've
supported
and,
on
average,
for
these
seven
developments.
Our
contribution
to
facilitate
one
new
unit
of
affordable
housing
has
been
59
000,
as
you
know,
and
was
just
discussed
earlier.
H
H
Sure
so
those
two
were
archer
and
actually
gateway
isn't
on
this
list.
So,
as
you
can
see,
a
number
of
these
projects
have
utilized
multiple
funding
sources
to
make
the
project
work
and
just
to
use
one
project
as
an
example.
The
first
one
on
the
list
line
housing,
they've
utilized
fee
in
lieu
for
us
to
acquire
the
property,
have
utilized
bond
funds
to
provide
the
gap
financing
on
the
deal
and
have
utilized
tiff
funds
out
of
the
cooper
river
bridge
fifth
district,
to
support
the
infrastructure
on
the
project.
H
H
These
increases
get
back
to
the
growing
cost
of
construction,
but
it
also
speaks
to
the
the
lengthy
and
challenging
review
process
that
we
have,
where
developments
have
added
costs
due
to
various
reviews
that
are
adding
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
their
project
and
staff,
time
and
land
carrying
costs
so
of
the
eight
developments
and
that
have
approached
us.
We've
thus
far
made
recommendations
to
approve
four
developments
for
additional
funds:
totaling
3.5
million
dollars.
H
One
development
decided
that
you
know
it
didn't
make
sense
for
them
in
terms
of
their
capital
stack,
would
create
some
additional
issues,
so
they
didn't
pursue
the
funds
any
further
and
then
three
developments
remain,
whose
requests
exceed
over
three
million
dollars
and
we're
working
through
those.
Now.
H
H
So
we've
projected
funding
availability
with
our
existing
funding
sources
over
the
next
five
years
projected
the
number
of
units
that
may
be
facilitated
with
these
projected
funding
sources
and
just
to
be
clear.
These
are
estimates,
we're
using
assumptions
and
projecting
these
numbers
out
and
also
just
note
that
in
the
calculations,
we're
assuming
that
the
rate
of
increase
on
costs
of
construction
will
eventually
begin
to
slow
down.
H
So
it
might
be
a
little
bit
hard
to
see
in
the
room
here,
but
this
chart
provides
the
five-year
projections
for
existing
funding
sources
based
off
of
our
previous
funding
amounts.
Some
assumptions
that
we've
made
and
estimates
going
forward-
and
I
won't
speak
through
all
the
numbers
because
I'll
take
a
while
but
want
to
know
in
the
upper
left-hand
corner
the
fee
and
loop
from
our
mixed-use
workforce.
H
H
H
So
revisiting
our
goal
of
16
351
units
by
2030
and
let's
provide
the
caveat
as
well
that
that
number
was
provided
maybe
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
we
see
rising
housing
prices
and
wages
that
are
not
necessarily
keeping
up
with
that,
so
that
number
is
probably
bigger
today
than
it
was
yesterday.
We
we
believe
again
that,
with
the
estimated
funding
we're
able
to
provide
about
504
homes
with
those
dollars,
we
also
looked
at
what
might
become
available
through
rezonings
or
through
rad.
That
number
is
probably
around
500
units.
H
We
have
115
units
that
have
affordability,
restrictions
that
are
expiring
through
2026,
and
if
you
do
math,
you
know
we
could
have
you
know
in
2026
we
could
be
left
with
a
remaining
gap
of
14
600
units.
Now,
that's
not
factoring
in
other.
You
know
economic
factors,
other
things
can
change,
but
that's
just
looking
directly
at
what
we're
able
to
directly
facilitate
with
our
funds
and,
through
you
know,
city
action.
H
H
The
first
is
to
look
at:
how
do
we
create
a
dedicated
funding
stream
for
affordable
housing
because
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
there
really
isn't
one
that
exists
now,
because
the
fee
in
lieu
has
been
a
very
important
source
for
us
as
we're
facilitating
these
units?
But
it's
not
a
permanent
source
for
us
right.
H
We
can't
depend
on
it
and
the
other
issue
is
we're
unable
to
effectively
plan
with
our
dollars,
because
it's
totally
dependent
on
rezonings,
it's
totally
dependent
on
when
the
certificate
of
occupancy
is,
is
filed
and
again
we're
hopeful
that
developments
will
include
units
on
site
rather
than
pay
the
fee
and
loop.
So
you
all
you
know
who
set
the
city
budget
are
smarter
than
than
I
am
about
the
different
tools
that
you
have
to
create
a
dedicated
funding
stream.
H
Charleston,
the
second
solution
is
looking
at
doing
another:
affordable
housing
bond.
So
again
in
2017,
voters
approved
a
20
million,
affordable
housing
bond
referendum
with
70
of
the
vote
that
has
again
produced
about
600
units
and
has
leveraged
107
million
dollars
in
outside
financing
to
enable
those
projects
to
go
forward.
So
that's
another
option
to
consider.
C
H
That's
right
and
what
we've
been
looking
at
in
recent
years
is
utilizing
ground
leases.
So
when
we
have
control
of
the
property,
you
know
we
go
and
acquire
a
parcel.
So
the
low
line
housing
project
is
a
good
example
of
that
the
finvix
site
on
john's
island
is
another
example
where
we're,
basically,
we
acquire
the
property.
H
We
put
out
a
request
for
proposals,
find
a
development
team
to
build
and
operate
that
affordable
housing,
they're
a
vitec
developer,
they're
putting
the
project
together
and
they
have
those
restrictions
in
terms
of
the
affordability
period,
but
because
they're
under
a
ground
lease.
Typically
it's
been
for
about
60
years.
We
have
the
ability
to
come
in
after
and
and
still
have
the
ability
to
ensure
that
longer-term
affordability.
So
that's
one
one
way
to
work
around
that:
okay,.
I
These
are
all
great
things
that
that
we're
doing,
I
hope
we
can
do
more
of
it
and
it's
an
important
piece
of
the
puzzle,
but
I
think
it's
hard
for
me
to
come
away
from
this
presentation,
thinking
that,
on
the
current
trajectory
we're
on,
we
have
any
prayer
of
meeting
that
16
000
unit
goal
that
we've
set
out.
There's
just
there's
just
there's
a
magnitude
problem
here
that
I
think
we're
facing
unless
there's
a
paradigm
shift
in
the
way
that
public
funding
at
the
local
and
state
level
will
work
for
affordable
housing.
I
I
H
Yeah,
I
think
it's
an
all
the
above
strategy,
you're,
absolutely
right.
We
need
those
changes
to
the
review
process
to
speed
them
up.
We
need,
you
know,
probably
some
changes
in
our
zoning
code
to
allow
for
more
housing
in
general,
there's
a
basic
economic
challenge
that
we
have
in
terms
of
supply
and
demand,
and
we
also
need
you
know
just
again
support
across
the
board
in
every
way
that
we
can
make
it
easier
for
affordable
housing
to
be
developed
here.
H
The
one
thing
I'll
add,
though,
is
we
meet
with
developers
who
want
to
do
affordable
housing
in
the
city
of
charleston
frequently,
and
every
discussion
begins
and
ends
with
what
sort
of
funding
or
incentives
the
city
can
provide
to
enable
that
affordable
housing
project
to
move
forward?
And
you
know
we're
you
know
we
have
what
we
have
available,
that
is
interes
for
some
developers
that
works
for
some.
It
isn't,
but
this
so
there's
definitely
a
larger
discussion
around
other
tools.
H
I
C
B
Thank
you
chair.
Just
a
couple
questions
so
based
on
you
know,
being
on
council
for
two
years,
not
understanding
the
full
dynamics
of
affordable
housing
and
start
slowly
learning,
I'm
still
not
nowhere
near
an
expert,
it's
impossible
for
a
private
developer
to
come
in
everything's
working
fine
on
the
zoning
things
are
streamlined,
it's
impossible
for
that
private
developer
to
actually
build
an
affordable
housing
kit
and
make
money
on
that
correct
without
gaap
funding.
B
A
B
D
D
But
there
are
some
one
that
comes
to
mind
in
particular
another
development
that
would
have
occurred
west
actually
that
they
decided
to
opt
out
of
because
of
our
extended
review
times
and
the
current
costs
that
folks
are
facing
in
the
market.
So
we
haven't
seen
many,
but
there
are
some
that
are
being
looked
at
and
either
because
they're
challenged
with
stormwater
requirements
or
that
long-term
review.
B
The
two
other
pieces
that
I
have
is,
do
you
all
have
the
data
on
how
many,
since
we've
changed
the
fee
in
lieu,
how
many
developers
previous
to
our
change,
I
believe
I
was
told
only
one
developer
opted
to
build.
This
is
previous
to
the
last
ordinance
change,
since
that
last
ordinance
changed.
Do
you
all
know
how
many
developers
have
opted
to
build
or
are
gone
to
the
fee.
H
H
But
what
we
have
heard
and
robert
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
is
that
there
is
an
interest
from
developers
who
are
going
through
the
rezoning
to
include
at
least
part
of
the
units
on
site.
Maybe
they
do
a
split
between
the
units
on
site
and
pay.
Half
the
fee
because
recall
that
the
fee
structure
we
ended
up
with
is
an
escalating
fee
structure.
So
the
more
units
you
offset
the
more
expensive
it
gets
for
you.
So
okay,
yeah.
B
And
then
well,
thank
you
for
that
and
the
last
piece
is
and
again
this
I
think,
speaks
to
councilman
pell's
point.
If
we're
ambitious,
I
mean
we
do.
We
need
to
do
over
the
next
couple
of
years.
We're
still
going
to
be
roughly
I'm
not
sure
what
that
number
is,
but
thirteen
fourteen
thousand
fifteen
thousand
away
and
if
each
one
of
those
previous
projects
are
around
a
hundred
we're
talking
147
projects
like
I
guess
when
I'm
asking
is
just,
is
that
even
feasible?
Where
would
we
put
140
some
thousand
or
140
projects?
A
Yeah
the
reality
is,
we
have
to
look
at
very
strategically
at
buildings
up
in
areas
where
that
makes
sense.
In
order
to
do
this,
and
maybe
the
project
isn't
100
units,
maybe
it's
150
200
units,
but
again
the
part
of
the
community
conversation
we
have
to
have.
Is
you
know?
Where
does
that
density?
Make
sense,
or
does
it
work?
Where
does
the
infrastructure
exist
with
our
infrastructure
constrained
here,
just
because
of
our
environment?
A
D
F
Can
you
hear
me
testing,
sir
okay,
the
presentation
is
great
and
it
just
belies
the
challenge
in
front
of
us
and
and
to
compound
things
has
been
mentioned.
You
know
over
time
you
have
units
that
are
slipping
out
of
affordability,
but
it
wasn't
as
big
a
number
as
I
thought
it
would
be
yeah.
I
think
you
just
said
115
or
in
the
next
five
years,
and
that's
really
pretty
good.
F
That
there's
not
more,
and
I
want
to
shout
out
to
the
charleston
redevelopment
corporation,
because
one
of
the
things
they've
been
doing
from
time
to
time
is
using
resources,
admittedly,
but
buying
out
the
the
properties
that
the
affordability
timeline
fuse
has
been
running
out.
So
we've
been
able
to
maintain
those
units,
and
maybe
it'd,
be
worthwhile.
F
F
So
one
good
thing
on
the
horizon
is
that
the
county
plans
to
put
on
the
ballot
this
november,
another
referendum
asking
countywide
for
citizens
to
approve
two
mills
for
affordable
housing
and
they've,
been
working
on
their
plans
for
for
what
they
would
do.
With
that
funding.
Don't
forget,
we
are
in
the
county
of
charleston,
so
we
certainly
hope
to
partner
with
them
on
on
some
of
some
of
those
projects.
F
F
Every
time
they
meet
with
me
monthly
they're,
always
asking
mayor:
where
can
we
get
some
more
money
and,
and
you
see
that
the
need
is
there?
So
I
don't
know
if
amy
would
like
to
opine
on
this
today
or
come
back
at
another
meeting
after
some
thought.
But
I
mean
at
some
point
what
what
are
the
the
realities
of
issuing
another
bond?
I
know
it
might
be
a
year
or
two
away,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
that
at
some
point.
F
F
You
know
to
get
some
density
and
I
and
that's
restricted
to
certain
areas
on
the
peninsula,
mostly
around
the
central
business
district
right,
robert
and
christopher.
So
I'm
convinced
that-
and-
and
I
know
we've
been
talking
about
doing
this
when
we
do
the
major
overhaul
and-
and
I
was
talking
to
planning
about
this
the
other
day-
that
maybe
we
need
to
short-circuit
this
a
little
bit
so
we
can
move
along
a
little
faster
is
some
zoning
incentives
for
outside
of
the
peninsula.
F
Every
time
I
see
another
200
unit
apartment
complex,
you
know
being
planned
west,
ashley
or
johns
island
and
we're
not
getting
any
affordable
units
out
of
it.
I
you
know
we
are
miss.
We
have
already
missed
tremendous
opportunities
there,
and
I
know
that
that
may
be
some
tough
decisions
for
us
council
member
appel
to
in
effect,
do
some
down
zoning,
so
that
then
the
incentive
is
is
provided
for
them
to
get
back
to
their
density
or
go
beyond
what
the
original
zoning
density
was,
but
unless
y'all
got
a
better
mousetrap.
F
F
You
know,
maybe
general
business
ought
to
be
10
units
per
acre,
and
if
you
want
that
24
units
for
acre,
you
got
to
provide
some
affordable
housing,
I'm
not
necessarily
saying
we
got
to
get
a
fee
for
it.
Let's,
let's
see
if
we
can
tweak
that,
so
that
the
developers
have
to
provide
some
percentage
of
affordable
housing
for
these
developments
that
are
that
are
occurring
and
then
lastly,
I
would
just
say
I
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
do
to
keep
track
of
things
like
this.
F
E
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said
and
councilmember
pal
is,
you
know
finding
on
private
sector
zoning
type
improvements
for
a
while?
We
have
these
meetings
here,
bring
up
those
points,
but
we
don't
have
any
action
steps.
I
agree
with
his
points,
a
hundred
percent
and
part
of
his
points.
Mr
mayor,
I
don't
need
to
speak
for
him.
He
certainly
can
speak
for
himself
but
gets
to
the
private
sector
and
we've
done
a
great
job.
E
E
It
makes
no
sense
for
somebody
doing
seven
eight
nine
units,
ten
units
they
have
to
go
through
the
same
approval
process.
You
know
that
somebody's
doing
200
units
going
through
a
200
unit
subdivision
goes
through
and
yeah.
Somehow
drainage
issues
comes
in
into
into
place
and
holds
up
the
process,
which
means
increases
the
cost.
E
One
of
the
big
problems
with
affordable
housing
in
charleston
is
the
cost
of
the
land.
It's
not
the
cost
of
the
two
by
four
or
the
cost
of
the
two
by
ten
in
columbia.
They
have
to
buy
two
by
fours
and
two
by
tens,
but
but
obviously
housing
is
a
lot
cheaper
in
columbia
than
it
is
is
charleston.
So
again
it
gets
back
to
the
cost
of
land.
E
So
I
think
if
we
put
together
a
process,
so
the
private
sector
can
come
and
tell
us,
we
have
to
butt
their
heads
up
against
our
zoning
codes
and
our
engineering
codes
and
our
drainage
codes,
some
of
the
tweaking
that
they
would
do
that.
We
can
consider
to
maybe
change
our
codes.
A
lot
faster,
there's
a
bevy
of
people
out
there
that
may
own
three
or
four
houses,
and
they
did
them
with
sweat
equity
and
they
went
to
section
eight.
E
They
do
all
that
off
the
muscle
right
now
without
any
subsidy.
We
don't
do
anything
to
throw
fertilization.
We
don't
even
bring
them
in
to
say
how
can
we
help
you
create
more
units?
One
of
the
things
that
hurt
that
industry
years
ago
was
when
the
savings
and
loans
went
out
of
business.
If
you
got
a
rental
house,
you
can
always
borrow
on
that
house
to
go.
Get
another
house,
the
wells,
fargo's
of
the
world.
The
bank
of
americans
of
the
world
do
not
make
those
loans
that
source
of
funding
went
away
with.
E
E
You
got
to
do
it
at
your
own
cash
flow.
You
got
to
finance
it
off
with
a
muscle.
We
need
to
bring
some
of
those
people
in
to
say
and
believe
it
or
not.
The
housing
authority
has
a
list
of
those
people
that
they
send
section.
8
checks
too,
and
I
know
you've
tried
this
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
willing
to
go
to
court
with
this.
You
know
the
city
of
charleston
tried
to
add
a
3
feet
of
building
permits
and
obviously
we
have
to
get
approval
through
the
state.
E
So
if
mikey
wants
to
increase
taxes
on
themselves
through
local
options,
sales
tax,
the
state
doesn't
get
in
the
way,
but
if
mikey
wants
to
increase
a
fee
on
a
billing
permit
in
an
area,
that's
literally
booming
and
take
that
dedicated
source
of
revenue
and
place
it
towards
the
creation
of
affordable
housing.
We
got
to
go
in
and
kiss
the
ring.
E
I
think
the
ring
ought
to
be
taken
to
court
and
if
the
supreme
court
tells
us
no,
we
can't
do
it.
Then
we
have
tried
our
best
effort,
but
we're
stopping
short
on
that.
We
have
a
feeling
of
business
license
fee
that
goes
towards,
and
that
was
shown
on
the
chart
and
by
the
way
matt
it
was
a
very
good
job.
You
know
michelle
johnson
on
that.
The
facts
are
what
they
are,
but
the
city
is
is
flat
out
doing
what
we
could
do.
We
need
some
more
tools.
E
We
need
to
go
to
court
to
get
that,
because
if
you
live
in
bamberg
south
carolina
in
the
general
assembly,
you
don't
have
an
affordable
housing
problem.
You
know
the
large
part
south
carolina's
run
is
a
rural
state.
I
mean
once
you
get
beyond
charleston
columbia,
greenville,
myrtle,
beach
and
hilton.
Here,
for
the
most
part
I
mean
the
charleston
area,
obviously
including
my
players
in
north
charleston,
a
lot
of
the
legislators
out
there
in
hellhole
swamp
south
carolina.
E
Well,
somehow
we
got
to
get
past
them,
they
don't
want
when
they
bring
their
plans
come
they
know
where
their
pressure
points
are.
They
know
where
the
hurdles
are
and
the
problems
are,
but
they
suffer
in
silence.
Let
me
put
it
like
that,
so
I
think
the
piece
with
the
three
percent
that
I
know
you've
tried
about
mr
mir,
when
the
answer
has
come
back.
E
No,
I
think
we
ought
to
test
that
one
in
court
when
you
start
talking
about
14
15,
16
000
units
now
fee
in
lieu,
which
has
been
wonderful,
that
the
market
is
moving
faster
than
we
can
collect
the
revenue
and
develop
the
type
properties
we
need
anyway.
So
I
I
would
hope,
the
ad
hoc
committee,
just
as
we've
done
with
short-term
rental.
Hopefully
we
can
do
with
coming
up
with
a
bevy
of
ideas
with
through
zoning
that
councilman
appel
has
been
the
watchman
on
the
wall.
E
C
C
J
All
right
good
afternoon,
I'm
tori
parish,
city,
architect,
preservation
officer
for
the
city,
I'm
in
the
planning,
preservation
and
sustainability
department.
My
team
is
the
preservation
and
urban
design
team.
You
know
us
for
bar
and
drb,
so
we've
been
working
on
br
policy
which
will
allow
the
key
is
here
flexibilities
and
clarity
on
repair
and
replacement
of
historic
buildings
and
elements
for
the
area
north
of
line
street
and
south
of
mount
pleasant
street
in
that
area
bar
has
purview
over
demolition.
J
J
When
we
think
about
preservation,
we
have
to
think
about
two
things.
The
first
one
is
the
form
of
the
building
and
a
couple
of
these
photos
here,
the
first
one
on
the
left.
The
way
I
would
identify
the
character
of
that
form
on
the
both
of
these
buildings
are,
we
have
a
two-story
gable
form
the
gables
perpendicular
to
street,
and
there
are
two
bays
of
fenestration.
That
means
windows
and
doors
and
there's
the
front
porch
the
same
width
of
the
house
and
then
on
the
picture
on
the
right.
J
J
This
is
a
house
from
the
same
street
and
the
way
I
would
identify
the
character
defining
features
on
this
house
are
the
brick
column
bases
the
wooden
windows
that
have
grid
the
wooden
railing
with
the
specialty
detail,
the
tapered
columns
that
have
cyan
wood,
siding
brick
chimney
and
open
soffits,
and
I'm
going
to
dive
deeper
one
more
time
to
talk
about
windows,
which
are
definitely
a
hot
topic.
As
we
all
know,
the
way
I
would
talk
about
this
window
and
and
and
what
gives
it
character
are
the
material
it's
a
win
window.
J
This
window
has
divided
lights
and
when
I
say
that
what
that
means
is
that
it's
not
one
full
sash
of
glass
with
buttons
applied
to
it.
These
are
divided
lights,
meaning
each
piece
of
glass
that
you
see
is
a
different
piece
of
glass.
Is
it
single
pane
or
double
pane?
Historically,
there's
single
pane
windows.
J
A
J
From
here
all
right,
we'll
move
on
so
when
we
think
about
windows
and
maybe
some
alleviations
and
and
mitigation
opportunities
we
can
have
for
property
owners.
We've
been
thinking
about
this
referencing,
our
architectural
survey,
which
was
done
in
2004,
bob
rockington
and
young
on
the
upper
peninsula.
J
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
allow
a
historic
window
to
be
removed,
demolished
but
not
lose
the
character,
and
I
think
there
might
be.
I
think
that
we
could
do
a
replacement
kind
with
a
new,
true,
divided
light
window
and
I
think,
based
on
category
some
of
these
properties
are
not
even
categorized,
so
we
could.
We
could
have
a
lot
more
flexibility.
I
think,
if
you
are
a
category
four
or
uncategorized,
we
could
look
at
aluminum
cloud
windows
and
other
more
affordable
options.
J
That's
what
we'd
like
to
that's
what
we've
been
thinking
about
and
then
just
a
few
examples
of
windows
on
the
next
three
slides
on
the
left.
You're
going
to
see
the
historic
window
and
you'll
notice
that
the
the
features
that
make
the
hold
the
window
together,
the
wooden
pieces
are
of
more
substance
and
they
have
a
profile
and
on
the
right,
you'll
see
what
a
modern
day
window
looks
like
that's
not
of
the
caliber
that
we
want
again
left
is
historic.
J
J
So
the
policy
statement
that
we're
looking
at
we'll
do
the
following:
it
will
outline
materials
that
are
appropriate
replacements
in
lieu
of
repairing
and
restoring
character,
defining
features.
It
will
provide
clarity
on
those
on
appropriate
materials
which
would
not
lead
to
a
loss
of
the
character
defining
element.
It
would
help
to
explain
bar's
work
in
this
area.
We
would
accommodate
flexibilities
to
allow
for
staff
level
reviews
the
key
on
that
is
when
we
have
a
demolition
request
in
this
neighborhood.
It's
a
board
level
request.
J
J
J
This
one
shows
a
one-story
bungalow
in
the
context
of
other
one-story
bungalows
that
has
been
raised,
and
you
can
see
the
outcome
on
the
right.
That's
from
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
which
begs
the
question
that
I
would
like
to
ask.
You
is
protection
of
the
form,
both
new
and
old.
I
like
to
think
that
the
form
is
the
details
are
important.
J
The
form
is
extremely
important
and
if
we
can't
protect
the
form
we
could
lose
the
streetscape
we
I
for,
I
personally
feel,
like
we've
all
seen
these
examples
of
insensitive
additions
and
then,
since
the
elevation,
I
just
showed
you.
We
think
that,
as
we
think
about
mitigations
for
property
owners
and
staff,
we
also
need
to
be
thinking
about
the
future
of
how
to
protect
this
district,
because
the
forms
are
important
and
and
new
construction
form
is
important.
J
It
recommended
additional
beer
oversight
of
the
hampton
park,
terrace
neighborhood,
which
is
on
the
national
register,
and
then
some
other
ideas
that
are
not
fleshed
out.
That
we've
been
thinking
about
are.
Are
there
ways
that
we
can
enhance
flexibilities
for
legacy
owners
in
airs
where
families
have
owned
the
property
for
decades?
J
Are
there
ways
that
we
can
broaden
protection
to
new
construction
again?
Can
we
look
at
new
forms
and
new
introductions
and
new
construction?
We
don't
have
that
purview
right
now
if
we
were
to
gain
that
is
there
a
way
that
we
could
make
a
more
expedient
road
for
that.
Could
we
limit
the
number
of
reviews
that
new
construction
has
and
the
old
and
historic
district?
J
B
Thank
you
chair
thanks
tori
and
thanks
robert
and
julia,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
were
involved
in
some
capacity,
but
thank
you
for
getting
that
done
in
the
presentation.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
I'm
on
record
that
except
I've
received
some
calls
and
some
emails
from
folks,
I'm
not
trying
to
dismantle
var.
B
J
Right
now,
anything
that
will
be
demolished
in
this
district.
It
comes
to
bar
and
and
the
bar
reviews
it
with
no
information,
typically
about
what
the
replacement
is
and
and
they're
scared.
Of
this
I
mean
we
all
are
I'm
scared
of
that
with
the
policy
we
can
provide
guidance
on
what
these
appropriate
replacements
could
be,
and
if,
if,
if
we
know
enough
about
the
project
that
that's
you
know
those
those
and
I'll
get
to
that
list,
we
know
what
this
replacement
is.
We
could
review
that
by
not
taking
it
to
the
board.
J
This
is
a
staff
level
where
you
could
do,
we
could
do
as
easily
as
someone
coming
in
the
permit
center.
Hey
I'm
going
to
replace
my
windows
with
this.
The
key
is:
it
comes
back
to
these
character,
defining
features,
the
key
is:
does
the
removal
and
the
demolition
lead
to
a
loss
of
character,
or
are
there
appropriate
solutions
where
we
can?
J
J
Is
it
exceptional
architecture?
Is
it
contributing
and
it's
a
list
of
one
through
four
we've
broken
it
into
one,
two
three
and
then
four
and
non-contributing,
or
not
rated,
and
those
higher
rated
properties
right
now,
what
we're
considering
is
true,
divided
lights
in
both
scenarios,
the
profile
the
window,
the
look
the
light
pattern
needs
to
match.
What's
original,
I
mean
that's
really
important
that
a
craftsman
house
is
typically
a
three
over
one
window
and
a
colonial
is
usually
six
over
one
or
six
over
six.
J
It's
real
important
that
it
looks
like
it
matches
the
architecture
of
the
house,
the
style
of
the
house
and
the
original
windows.
But,
like
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
a
window
expert.
So
I'm
just
I'm
just
gonna
ramble
here
for
a
minute,
but
like
a
an
old
window
is
a
single
pane
window,
and
these
are
every
piece
of
glass
is
a
different
piece
of
glass.
J
Modern
day
windows
come
in
a
variety
everything
from
internal
muttons
that
are
these
flat
pieces
of
plastic
between
two
pieces
of
glass
to
the
ability
to
exp
to
apply
external
muttons
so
that
you
get
like
some
profile
and
texture
and
shadow
lines
and
then
beyond
that,
you've
got
the
option
to
do
spacer
bars
which
are
between,
and
it
looks
more
like
a
true,
divided
light.
There's
a
lot
of
options.
J
F
J
J
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair.
It's
going
to
be
a
few
minutes,
so
I
still,
I
still
don't
feel
like
my
question
was
answered.
I
just
want
to
share
with
the
councilman
lapel
and
waring
and
anyone
else
that's
listening.
The
reason
I
I
brought
this
up
almost
a
year
ago
was:
I
had
constituents
reach
out
to
me
that
maybe
we'll
call
them
legacy.
B
These
are
folks
that
went
through
the
process
got
denied
because,
because
the
cost
of
of
of
making
the
repair
was
so
exorbitant
for
them
that
they
ended
up,
leaving
moving
away
off
the
peninsula
moving
to
another
place,
I
know
of
three
specific
instances
where
this
occurred
so
we're
sitting
here
today
talking
about
affordable
housing,
we're
looking
through
our
census
numbers.
My
district,
in
particular,
I
think
it
went
from
60
40
african-american
to
40-60
a
flip
in
10
years,
so
to
think
that
our
current
policies
have
had
no
effect.
B
This
is
contributing
to
the
gentrification
and
the
loss
of
african-americans
on
the
peninsula.
All
three
of
those
folks
were
african-americans
that
had
lived
in
their
homes.
It's
not
a
race
issue.
There
were
several
folks
that
were
white
that
lived
in
their
homes
wanted
to
repair,
but
again
the
cost
was
so
absorbent.
They
left
in
the
three
cases
that
I
know
they
have
lived
in
the
home
for
at
least
25
years
and
they're
no
longer
on
the
peninsula.
B
J
Agree:
there's
a
balance,
there's
a
balance
to
be
had
between
preservation
and
affordability
and
when
the
bar
has
no
purview
and
no
way
of
you
know
when
the
question
is,
can
I
remove
my
historic
wonderfully
beautiful
historic
windows
or
not,
and
there
is
no
other
side
of
that?
There
is
no.
We
don't
know.
What's
on
the
other
side
of
that,
I
can
promise
you.
The
bar
is
going
to
be
protective
of
those
windows,
so
the
policy
that
we're
talking
about
will
provide
those
options.
J
J
Well,
a
true
divided
light
is
going
to
be
more
expensive
than
a
single
divided
light.
There's
no
doubt-
and
these
are
not
your
final
windows-
I
mean
this
district
would
be
a
historic
district
in
any
other
city
that
would
be
loved
and
protected
in
every
way,
and
so
it's
it's.
No.
I
don't
think
that
vinyl
windows,
which
are
the
things
we
get
everybody
gets
in
the
mail,
there's
no
miller.
We
we're
efficient
windows
they'll
last
for
10
years.
B
But
I
mean,
for
example,
there
was
a
house
done
on
st
margaret,
a
young
woman
purchased
the
home
went
through
the
process.
She
was
told
that
she
had
to
repair
the
windows
in
the
midst
of
covid.
She
went
out.
Try
to
get
a
contractor,
couldn't
find
a
contractor.
She
did
the
windows
ourselves.
I
guess
my
ultimate
question
is
why
couldn't
she
replace
those
windows
with
real
wood
windows
that
looked
identical
like
the
ones
that
were
in
the
house?
How
does
that
take
away
from
the
fabric
and
character
of
that
home.
J
B
C
I
understand
what
you're
saying
constantly
I'm
sacrificing
years
and
years
past.
You
know
there
was
a
lot
of
individuals
who
lost
their
home
because
they
couldn't
repair
it
because
it
was
affordable,
couldn't
afford
it.
You
can
look
at
the
east
side,
you
can
look
at
even
where
I
live
on
king
street.
You
can
look
at
rutledge
avenue
where
I
live
on
bogot
street.
They
were
all
people
of
color
that
lost
their
home
because
they
could
not
afford
to
repair
the
home
back
like
it
was
because
they
said
it
was
historical.
C
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
this
historical,
but
I
feel
when
the
person
is
keeping
their
houses
up
and
they
struggle
to
get
those
homes
back
when
and
you
wouldn't
have
it
30
40
50
years
and
all
of
a
sudden
in
a
couple
of
months
you
can
lose
the
home.
I
had
a
problem
with
that.
Ever
since
I've
been
on
council-
and
that
happened-
and
I
mean
you're
bringing
this
up
now,
but
it
happened
years
and
years
and
years
ago,
and
sometimes
an
aspect
is
still
happening
right
now
because
affordable
you
can't
afford
it.
C
C
Even
when
I
got
on
the
council,
you
know
we
were
hauling
it
back
before
it
expanded
if
you
may
and
that's
why
we
were
holding
it
back,
because
we
know
what
was
going
to
happen
to
some
individuals
and
we're
still
seeing
it
today
that
some
people
who
have
it
just
like
right
now
in
the
house
I
live
in.
You
know
my
house
was
built
back
way
back
when
so
it's
considered
historical
too,
and
I
have
to
put
it
back
like
it
was,
and
things
like
that.
C
But
it's
tough
it'll
be
tough
for
an
individual,
a
senior
citizen,
an
elderly
person
who
bought
this
house,
and
they
only
get
a
minimum
income
of
the
social
security.
They
would
not
be
able
to
do
it,
so
I
don't
know,
there's
no
funding
source
for
them
to
assist
them.
I
haven't
seen
anyone
yet
and
those
are
the
things
that's
happening
and
I
don't
know
what
the
solution
is
for
it.
I
I
Certainly
you
as
well-
and
this
is
exactly
what
I've
been
talking
about,
and
what
I
was
talking
about
a
minute
ago
on
our
last
agenda
item
is
that
our
very,
very,
very
well
intentioned
zoning
in
architectural
review,
regulations
and
procedures
have
had
adverse
impacts
for
years
on
other
values
we
hold
and
ultimately,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
have
to
recognize
this
historic
preservation
is
an
extraordinarily
important
value
for
the
city
of
charleston.
Obviously
it's
our
calling
card,
it's
it's.
What
makes
us
different
and
makes
us
exceptional,
but
it's
just
a
value.
I
It's
one
of
many
values.
We
also
have
a
value
around
affordable
housing.
We
have
a
value
around
not
seeing
further
gentrification,
which,
as
councilman
saccharin
has
put
as
mentioned
this
afternoon,
is
on
rocket
fuel
right
now
in
the
city
of
charleston.
Look
at
our
census
data
we'll
be
talking
about
this
soon.
When
we
talk
about
redistricting,
you
know
environmental
issues,
things
about
energy,
efficient
windows
and
things
of
that
nature.
There
are
a
lot
of
values
we
hold
dear
in
this
city
that
are
in
conflict
with
our
current
bar
policies
and
procedures.
I
I
All
of
this
is
up
for
review
periodically
and
should
be
up
for
review
periodically
to
make
sure
we're
striking
the
right
balance
among
all
of
those
competing
interest
groups
decades
ago.
Perhaps
when
some
of
these
ideas
and
concepts
were
ensconced
into
our
regulatory
procedures,
maybe
the
council
back
at
that
time,
didn't
really
care
about
some
of
those
values
or
didn't
care
about
them
in
the
way
that
we
care
about
them
today.
I
So
it
requires
a
critical
examination
and
a
tough
examination
about
some
of
these
assumptions
that
we
have
you
know
is
south
abroad
and
north
of
line
street.
The
same
thing,
I
don't
think
it
is
at
all,
that's
my
personal
opinion,
I
frankly
don't
and
again
we're
getting
into
subjectivity
and
different
people's
opinions.
I
won't
be
very
clear.
I
I
respect
everybody's
opinion,
brian
turner,
if
you're
watching,
I
respect
your
opinion,
your
organization,
winslow
hasty,
got
nothing
but
love
for
you
in
the
hcf,
but
I
don't
really
think
it's
that
big
of
a
deal
whose
window
looks
like
this
versus
that
in
wagner
tears,
the
world
will
not
stop
spinning
if
somebody
puts
in
a
window
of
their
choice
in
their
home.
Okay,
I'm
just
using
one
example.
My
neighborhood
burns
downs,
it's
not
multiple
centuries
old,
but
these
homes
were
built
in
the
1940s.
I
There
is
no
bar
jurisdiction
and
burns
downs.
There
is
no
drb
jurisdiction
in
bernstein's,
there's
no
private
homeowners
association
in
burns
downs
drive
through
my
neighborhood
sometime,
look
at
the
homes
in
my
neighborhood,
the
vast
majority
of
them
look
great
they're
beautiful
homes,
one
just
sold
for
1.2
million
dollars.
Okay,
people
are
not
foolish
about
what
they
do
with
their
property.
I
People
want
their
property
to
look
good
people
want
their
property
to
maintain
value.
So
I
think
that
we
have
to
have
a
very
critical
examination
of
what
our
policies
and
priorities
are
when
it
comes
to
bar,
because
I
can
tell
you
this:
if
you're,
if
you're
a
rich
lawyer
that
has
connections
and
knows
architects
and
has
a
nice
bankroll,
you
got
no
problem
with
this
stuff
right.
You'll
pick
up
the
phone
call
a
land
use.
Zoning
attorney
like
me
call
up
ls3p
or
some
other
outstanding
architectural
firm,
you're,
gonna
breeze
right.
I
Through
this
process,
people
have
connections
with
the
bar
members.
Everybody
will
know
what
to
do,
how
to
make
things
happen
if
you're,
let's
say
an
african-american
family
that
maybe
owns
the
property
in
question
in
airs
property
you're
already
dealing
with
those
challenges.
Okay,
we'll
get
to
that
in
the
next
topic.
I
You're
doomed-
and
this
is
where
councilman
mitchell
was-
was
so
accurately
hitting
the
nail
on
the
head:
you're,
doomed,
rbar
regulations
have
been
a
accelerator
of
gentrification
on
the
peninsula
and
that's
a
fact,
and
that's
a
that's,
a
serious
thing
that
we
have
to
take
into
account,
and
I
want
to
be
clear:
I'm
not
hating
on
the
bar,
I'm
not
hating.
On
historic
preservation
again,
I
want
to
reiterate
it's
very,
very
important,
but
we
have
to
come
up
with
some
other
approaches
here,
because
it's
not
just
a
a
race
issue.
I
It's
a
normal
person
issue,
it's
just
a
if
you're
a
working
person.
You
know
your
teachers,
you
know
this
or
that
you
know
you
don't
have
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
extra
to
get
windows
in
your
house
properly.
Okay,
so
I
applaud
the
bar
staff
for
coming
up
with
some
of
these
proposals.
I
think
these
are
good
steps
in
the
right
direction,
but
I
mean
I
think
we
might
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
critical
about
some
of
our
policies
that
are
in
place
and
really
start
to
evaluate.
I
You
know
what
our
priorities
are
here
and
again:
I'm
not
a
council
member
on
the
peninsula.
I
will
defer
to
the
folks
that
represent
these
parts
of
the
city
and
their
neighborhood
associations
and
their
constituencies,
but
this
is
a
prime
example
of
how
good
intention
regulations
that's
been
on
the
books
for
years
can
have
adverse
effects
on
very
important
policy
goals
that
we
hold
near
and
dear,
and
we've
got
to
make
sure
we're
striking
the
right
balance.
So
thank
you
for
indulging
me
on
that.
On
that
point,
thank
you.
B
J
Just
a
a
couple
of
thoughts,
I'd
like
to
address
you
know
we
want
everyone
to
stay
in
their
house.
That
is
a
very
sensitive
topic.
We
don't
want
anybody
to
feel
gentrified
in
light
of
how
we
look
at
repairs
there.
There
is
within
that
policy
statement
that
we're
proposing
there
is
the
ability
to
think
about
it.
If
we
can
lighten
the
repair
but
keep
it
appropriate,
then
we
have,
for
example,
in
a
roof.
J
We
protected
the
house
underneath
the
roof,
so
there's
ways
to
look
at
the
fact
that
we're
preserving
it
in
light
of
some
of
these
additional
repairs
and
all
I
would
also
with
all
due
respect
like
to
address
the
comment
about
gentrification
on
the
peninsula.
It's
not
my
specialty,
but
I
think
yes
be.
Our
policy
can
sometimes
be
a
challenge.
I
don't
think
it's
the
culprit
behind
gentrification
on
the
peninsula.
There
are
new
studies
and
there
have
been
real
life
examples
of
how
protected
historic
districts
have
prevented.
Gentrification
and
I'd
I'd
be
happy
to
pull
those.
B
What's
my
sacrament,
thank
you,
chair
tori.
I
think
this
is
a.
I
think
this
first
step
strikes
the
right
balance
and
councilman
appel
has
made
some
some
good
points
and
I
probably
align
myself
with
more
of
those
points,
but
I'm
not
willing
to
go
there.
Yet.
I
think
I
want
to
see
how
this
pans
out
hear
from
some
of
the
constituents.
B
Councilman
powell
made
some
other
good
points
that
I
didn't
even
share
today.
The
process
itself
that
itself
in
itself
is
has
been
an
inhibitor
of
of
people,
just
checking
out
saying
I'm
going
to
move
the
cost,
and
this
this
happens
with
our
commercial
businesses
as
well.
It's
very
similar,
even
though
it's
not
var,
you've
got
to
hire
an
architect.
B
That's
a
lot
and
we're
going
to
hear
about
there's
property
challenges
and
I'm
willing
to
bet
that
some
of
those
challenges
are
very
similar
and
salient
to
some
of
the
things
we're
hearing
here,
so
to
suggest
that
our
policies
have
not
aided
in
gentrification
you're,
not
speaking
to
constituents,
I'm
not
reading
theories
and
I'm
not
reading
research.
I'm
talking
to
real
constituents
that
have
left
the
peninsula.
B
I
can't
you
can't
trump
that
with
anything
else,
those
are
real
folks
that
lived
on
the
peninsula
and
left
because
of
a
policy
that
we
have
on
the
books.
So
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
to
change
it,
to
tweak
it
to
still
maintain
the
historic
fabric
on
the
peninsula,
I'm
honest.
I
want
to
support
that,
but
I
really
do
feel
like
we
need
to
do
something
to
acknowledge
that
not
everyone
can
go
through
this
process
that
it
is
painstaking
that
it
is
not
sometimes
cost
prohibitive
to
do
it
and
people
leave.
B
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
policy
that
we
move
towards,
or
at
least
the
change,
creates,
a
situation
where
my
constituents
feel
like
we
have
listened
to
them
and
been
being
practical
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
measure
a
community
not
by
the
buildings,
but
by
the
people
that
live
in
it.
That
really
should
be
our
value
to
councilman.
Appella's
point,
it
seems,
like
we've
got
competing
values.
D
Naturally,
there
are
processes
and
requirements
associated
with
the
funding
because
it
is
granted
to
the
city
through
the
department
of
housing
and
urban
development,
but
literally
those
dollars
are
there
to
help
with
preservation
and
rehab
of
housing.
More
recently
charleston
foundation
april
wood
is
here
this
evening,
along
with
the
charleston
redevelopment
corporation,
have
also
established
what
is
called
the
common
cause
loan
fund,
literally,
that
is
specifically
to
help
mitigate
folk
moving
and
having
to
leave
their
homes.
D
The
the
common
cause
loan
fund
addresses
exterior
repair
for
historic
homes
for
persons
of
low
and
moderate
incomes,
so
maybe
a
month
now
or
two
april.
I
know
we've
been
talking
about
it
longer,
but
finally,
we
have
been
working
on
several
houses
throughout
peninsula
charleston
to
address
those
types
of
things,
and
it
is
funding
that
is
needed
without
federal
dollars
which
are
dwindling
daily.
D
Every
time
we
get
an
allocation,
it's
a
little
bit
less
in
those
key
areas,
but
that
funding
does
exist
at
our
next
cd
meeting.
We
will
bring
to
you
that
budget
for
2022
23
again
to
help
those
residents
who
are
low
and
mod
address
the
repairs
on
their
homes.
Right
now,
april's
eagerly
awaiting
applicants
for
the
common
cause
loan
fund.
Sixty
thousand
dollars
can
be
allocated
towards
exterior
repairs
on
historic
homes.
So
that'll
help
some.
E
Thank
you,
jim
constantly
wary
yeah.
Thank
you
listen!
I!
I
can't
tell
you
how
proud
I
am
of
my
colleagues
on
council,
councilman,
saccharin
and
appel
on
what
they
said.
It's
just
a
fact
that
expansion
of
the
historical
district
exacerbates
gentrification
and
go
to
the
census,
tracts
as
a
matter
of
fact,
go
to
the
census
tracts
when
the
district,
when
the
historic
district
stopped
at
calhoun
street
south
of
calhoun
street
and
just
tracked
every
10
years
as
that
district,
expanded
northward,
how
the
african-american
population
dissipated
it
is
a
direct
cause.
E
Not
not
it's
not
minor.
These
gentlemen
are
not
have
said
it
better
myself,
I'm
looking
at
it
look
go
up
to
hampton
park
and
find
moochie
street
on
this
map
at
mootree
and
rutledge
it's
in
the
little
yellow
spot
in
1986
I
was
31
years
old,
there's
a
a
two-story
office
building
there
that
I
built
council
members
of
pale
and
sacrament
as
a
31
year
old
young
business
person.
I
represented
myself
before
the
before
the
planning
commission
before
the
board
of
adjustments
and
in
front
of
trc
I
represented
myself.
E
E
E
E
E
When
I
served
on
the
tourism
update
management
plan
prior
to
mayor
raleigh's
retiring,
I
felt
like
what
do
you
want
me
on
there,
for
I
lived
west
ashley.
Well,
there
was
a
group
of
ad
hoc
committees
in
that
bigger
committee
and
there
was
a
proposal
that
came
forward
to
put
philip
simmons
tight
gates
at
meeting
and
abroad.
E
E
E
You
know,
charleston
was
very
unique
in
that
you
had
african
americans
living
all
over
that
peninsula.
It
wasn't
just
on
the
east
side
of
town
and
some
of
the
air.
You
go
down
to
mars
street
right
now.
It
was
a
business
district.
Martin
luther
king
jr
used
to
stay
on
the
corner
of
mars
and
felix
street.
You
had
brooks
hotel
in
that
vicinity.
E
E
E
E
J
So
so,
in
the
new
policy
we're
we
could
have
the
option
for
double
pane
windows.
So
you
know,
instead
of
a
single
pane
window,
we
could
have
a
double
pane
window
with
a
true
mutton
and
a
spacer
bar,
so
that
it
looks
like
these
are
divided
light
glass.
I
would
also,
I
think
I
think,
there's
a
another
avenue
to
at
some
point
dive
down
in.
E
J
J
Well-
and
it
is
in
the
policy
for
category
four
and
not
rated
and
not
categorized,
we're
we're,
I
mean
we're,
that's
why
we're
here
for
feedback
is
to
kind
of
fill
out.
Do
we
have
this
right
or
not
yet,
and
I
think
I'm
hearing
you
know,
that's
that's
something
that
we
want
us.
Energy
efficiency
and
double
pane
windows
is
something
to
think
about.
J
We
don't
we
actually
don't
have
that
tagged,
but
you
know-
and
we
think
when
we
when
we
think
about
the
quality
of
the
window,
if
it's
a
new
purchase
of
new
window
instead
of
a
repair.
I
think
that
there's
also
I'm
not
gonna.
I
don't
have
this
repaired,
but
the
cost
of
new
windows,
the
cost
of
maintenance,
the
cost
of
replacing
new
bad
windows
in
15
to
20
years
versus
windows.
J
That
last
I
mean,
there's,
there's
probably
a
lot
of
data
that
we
could
pull
together
and
and
look
at
things
in
the
longer
term,
rather
than
just
replacement
and
repair
costs,
we're
talking
about
home
maintenance
over
several
decades.
We
need
to
think
about
what
does
allowing
you
know
what
do
different
types
of
windows
buy
and
how
much
time
do
they
buy?
It's
something
that
I
don't
have
data
on
right
now,
but
something
to
think
about.
E
C
K
Good
afternoon
I'll
say
thank
you
to
the
council
and
the
other
members
of
the
committee
for
having
me
come
and
present
on
today.
My
name
is
jenny,
stevens
and
I
have
the
pleasure
of
being
the
chief
executive
officer
at
the
center
for
ayers
property
preservation,
we're
now
in
north
charleston.
We
were
in
charleston,
though
earlier,
let's
see
to
go
down.
Is
that
how
I
press
there?
We
go
all
right,
sideways
sideways,
got
it!
K
K
K
K
They
have
limited
access
to
conservation
programs
if
they
want
to
implement
any
conservation
activities
on
their
land
and,
most
recently
it
became
evident
that
ayers
property
owners
cannot
access
fema
funds.
So
if
there's
a
natural
disaster,
those
families
who
are
already
vulnerable
or
their
house
may
already
be
in
a
dilapidated
state.
It's
just
going
to
increase
because
they
cannot
access
those
funds
actually
hit
it
right.
K
So
what
is
the
center
for
ayers
property
preservation?
We
are
a
non-profit
organization
that
was
established
in
2005.
I
have
been
its
only
director.
This
work
started
out
as
a
project
of
coastal
community
foundation,
and
our
mission
at
the
center
is
to
protect
air's
property
and
to
promote
the
sustainable
use
of
land
so
that
it
can
generate
income
for
our
historically
underserved
landowners
kind
of
already
gone
through
that.
K
K
So
you
don't
understand
what
I'm
saying
so
yeah
we've
been
able
to
resolve
a
little
more
than
300
titles.
We
track
the
acreage
as
you
can
see.
We
also
track
the
tax
success
value.
So
18
point
million
dollars
has
been
that
asset
because
it
was
a
liability
to
our
families,
have
now
been
unlocked
and
available
for
their
use.
K
K
So
remember
I
told
you
most
of
our
constituents
are
in
the
region
where
there's
high
poverty,
so
our
empowerment
philosophy
at
the
center
is
if
we
could
just
get
people
to
recognize
what
they
own
and
then
give
those
them
the
tools.
They
could
then
begin
to
generate
income
and
literally
help
move
themselves
out
of
poverty.
It's
not
about
a
handout,
but
it's
about
providing
individuals
with
the
proper
tools.
K
K
Land
utilization
prevention
in
the
sense
of
preventing
the
growth
of
air's
property
and
reducing
the
loss
of
preventing
the
loss
of
land
of
loss
of
air's
property
resolution
is
exactly
what
it
says:
we're
helping
families
to
fix
it.
So
I'll
even
break
it
down
more,
keep
it
fix,
it
use
it.
That's
our
strategy,
so
with
the
resolution
I'll
get
into
a
little
more
detail
and
then
finally,
land
utilization
and
in
providing
those
tools
to
families.
So
in
our
prevention
bucket,
we
perform
we
conduct
a
lot
of
educational
seminars.
K
K
So
initially
we
started
out
with
just
the
lawyers
going
in
the
community
and
conducting
those
educational
seminars,
but
when
we
started
our
forestry
program,
we
realized
that
they
work
very
well
together.
So
now
we've
combined
our
legal
and
our
forestry
into
one
seminar,
and
then
I
talked
earlier
about
wills.
K
Yes,
you
can
come
into
the
office
and
get
your
will
drafted,
but
we
also
offer
a
tool.
We
call
the
wills
clinic
in
the
past
when
our
staff
was
fairly
small.
We
enlisted
the
assistance
of
provo
attorneys.
Most
of
those
clinics
are
done
on
weekends.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think
we
did
one
I'm
probably
going
to
pronounce
this
last
name
wrong:
councilman
shaheed,
she
yeah
we
did
one
in
his
district
probating.
If
land
is
the
major
asset
of
the
deceased
individual
will
help
their
family
probate
their
estate.
K
So
that
was
the
point
of
that
and
just
you
know,
basic
d
consolidation
with
resolution
and
in
the
state
of
south
carolina
you're
allowed
10
years
to
probate
your
loved
one's
estate.
After
that
time,
it's
a
little
more
complicated.
You
need
a
little
more
lawyers
on
your
team
and
I
think
pretty
much
in
listening
to
a
lot
of
you
and
knowing
some
of
the
land
in
the
city
of
charleston.
K
Most
of
your
constituents
are
probably
going
to
fall
in
that
resolution.
Bucket,
where
you
know,
there's
two
key
things
to
resolving
air's
property,
that
is
knowing
the
family
tree
of
the
deceased
individual,
whose
name
is
on
the
deed
and
family
agreement.
So
I
laughed
about
that,
but
it's
really
key.
K
Unlike
for-profit
attorneys,
our
attorneys
are
not
going
to
take
a
case
to
court
where
there
is
not
family
agreement
because
increases
the
opportunity
for
the
land
to
be
lost,
so
it
takes
us
a
little
longer
because
our
job
is
to
herd
herd
cats
basically
and
and
bring
people
together.
So
those
are
just
some
actions
under
the
resolution.
K
We
do
a
lot
of
outreach
and
education.
It's
about
hanging
out
where
the
people
are
people,
don't
trust
you
if
they
don't
spend
some
time
with
you,
and
that
has
been
our
model
since
our
inception
and
it's
one.
We
continue
to
keep
now,
of
course,
just
like
everybody
else
doing
covid
it
made
it
a
little
challenging,
but
you
know
we
found
a
way
to
do
it.
On
a
virtual
platform,
we
also
enlist
the
assistance
of
either
families
whose
title
we've
resolved
or
they've,
been
in
our
sustainable
forestry
program
to
become
one
of
our
advocate.
K
Advocates
we
call
them
the
woodlands
community
advocates,
who
are
you
more
likely
to
believe
those
people
out
of
charleston
are
your
neighbor,
and
that
was
the
point
of
us.
Creating
the
woodlands
community
advocates
program
so
that
these
people,
who
are
families
who've
benefited
from
our
services,
could
be
our
quote-unquote
evangelists
on
the
ground.
K
K
K
We've
touched
many
people
through
our
education
and
our
outreach
efforts,
so
that
number
is
pretty
large,
but
as
those
people
come
in
and
apply
for
legal
services,
the
number
keeps
getting
smaller
and
smaller
so
every
year-
and
this
is
an
average
of
course
covet-
threw
off
our
average.
We
were
doing
maybe
30
to
34
years
prior
to
coving,
but
that's
our
that's.
Basically,
a
three-year
average.
K
We
are
projecting
to
grow
in
the
darker
green.
Those
are
the
22
counties.
We've
already.
I've
already
told
you
about
the
lighter
green
is
those
are
counties
where
we're
adding
forestry
services,
not
legal
services,
yet
but
the
forestry,
technical
assistance
and
the
white
ones
well,
we'll
get
there
sometime.
You
just
don't
know
when
our
new
home
in
north
charleston
the
opportunity
center,
and
I
did
look
at
some
data
before
I
left,
because
I'm
like
somebody's
gonna,
ask
me
how
many
titles
have
you
resolved
in
charleston
county?
K
K
K
And
we
resolved
seven
percent
of
the
titles
we
resolved
were
for
the
city
of
charleston
and
that's
five
folk
and
also
you
know,
we've
had
we
received
many
referrals
from
the
community
development
block.
Well,
I
just
remember
eddie
bynes,
because
eddie
would
like
have
us
on
speed,
dial,
okay,
and
he
would
make
referrals
to
us
for
his
landowners
who
were
in
need
of
title
resolution
services.
F
F
F
K
A
F
K
K
F
B
Thank
you,
chair
just
to
provide
some
context
for
why
we
had
this
on
the
agenda.
Councilman
appel
had
emailed
a
group
of
us
to
add
this
to
the
agenda.
It
was
an
article
that
I
also
saw
by
david
slater,
the
post
and
courier
about
the
city
or
about
another
city,
creating
a
fund,
and
I
guess
maybe
the
questions
that
the
mayor
teklenberg
are
asking.
B
My
two
questions,
one
would
would
with
us
having
a
discussion
around
creating
a
fun
help
number
one
and
number
two.
What
are
the
obstacles
currently
that
that
you're
experiencing
maybe
mayor
tuckerberger,
was
trying
to
loot
a
bit
like?
Is
it
a
financial
issue,
or
is
it
maybe
just
like
a
legal
issue?
K
B
K
So
that
has
been
a
challenge,
and
I
think
too
is
people.
It's
lack
of
knowledge,
I
believe,
is
the
greatest
challenge.
People
don't
know
what
they
don't
know.
Oftentimes
people
have
come
to
us
and
they
believe
because
they
pay
the
property
taxes
that
they're
the
sole
owner,
and
we
have
to
tell
them.
No,
that
just
means
you're
the
more
responsible
family
member,
but
there
are
other
people
who
own
it.
So
it
is
really
getting
people
to
understand
this.
K
B
Okay,
are
you
turning
folks
away
because
of
financial
restraint
constraints?
On
your
end,
that's
that's
really
the
question
or
for
or
would
it
help
be
helpful
for
the
city
to
to
really
use
use
it
as
a
resource
and
say
hey
this,
this
I'm
not
trying
to
duplicate
services
right
you
all.
Are
there
we'll
help
corral
people
towards
you.
K
And
so
I'm
you're,
referring
to
that
article
that
was
written
about
philadelphia,
yeah,
creating
a
separate
function,
correct
where
they,
but
the
difference
for
them
is
they
didn't
have
attorneys.
So
they
created
that
that
fund
to
support
that.
So,
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
we
would.
It
depends
upon
what
you
want
to
do
for
the
landowners.
I
I
Earlier
we
got
a
presentation
from
our
housing
department
when
we
were
talking
about
the
the
funding
needs
that
we
need
to
do
additional,
affordable
housing
deals
on
the
peninsula,
and
I
wrote
down
this
figure
from
the
presentation:
59
000
per
unit.
That's
currently
what
it
costs
the
city
of
charleston
right
now
to
subsidize
a
unit
of
affordable
housing
on
the
peninsula.
I
You
know
just
expand
its
role
and
expand
its
services
to
city
of
charleston
residents
and,
of
course,
there
need
to
be
a
thorough
vetting
process
to
make
sure
that
you
know
the
funding
is
allocated
appropriately.
You
know
this
is
not
to
clear
title
to
sell
off
to
you
know
a
hotel
developer
or
something
like
that.
This
is.
A
I
I
But
if
you
take
money
from
the
city,
some
strings
are
attached
with
it,
and
perhaps
we
could
structure
this
grant
program
in
in
in
a
similar
way
that
if
you
take
the
city's
resources
utilize,
the
center's
expertise,
you
know
the
properties,
the
expectation
you
know,
the
enforceable
expectation
is
going
to
be
that
the
property
stays
in
the
family's
hands,
and
you
know
we're
talking
at
a
very
10
000
foot
level.
The
whole
purpose
of
my
putting
this
on
the
agenda
was
just
out
of
an
interest
of
you
know.
I
I
You
know
a
lot
of
times:
it
takes
20
different
small
things
to
make
a
big
difference,
and
this
could
be
just
another
one
of
the
tools
in
our
toolkit,
so
that
was
really
the
motivation
behind
this,
and
if
my
colleagues
think
that
this
is
something
worth
looking
at
further
and
of
course,
dr
stevens
you,
you
know,
this
has
to
be
a
mutual
two-way
street.
Here
I
mean
you
know
we
obviously
want
to
get
your
your
feedback
in
terms
of
how
to
make
this
work.
K
You're
welcome,
yes,
it
would,
if
you
wanted
us
to
dedicate
our
time
or
the
attorney's
time
to
the
city
of
charleston,
of
course,
that
would
we
would
need
resources
for
that,
because
we're
also
in
the
process
of
helping
a
couple
of
other
states
create
their
own
center
for
heirs
property.
So,
yes,
we're
we're
open
available
and
thank
you
for
all
of
your
support
that
you've
given
us
in
the
past.
Mr.
F
Mayor,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
dr
stevens
again
and
maybe
just
suggest
in
the
in
the
mindset
of
keeping
it
simple,
that
you
take
a
look
at
the
numbers
to
to
see
what
kind
of
need
is
there
among
our
residents
and
and-
and
I
would
just
say
I
mean
you
all-
do
a
great
job.
I
think
we
all
agree
on
that
and
I
think
we
will.
F
Know
I
think
in
the
future,
if
you
had
a
grant
request
to
the
city
and
you
were
able
to
specify
x
number
of
citizens
that
you
wanted
to
help
or
you
have
been
helping,
it
would
just
it
would
add
a
lot
of
favorability
to
to
our
approval
of
any
requests
you
might
have
of
us.
So
it
might
be
a
good
good
thing
to
do
and
easy
without
us
having
to
recreate
the
wheel,
since
you
already
do
a
great
job
to
start
with.
Thank
you.