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City of Charleston Community Development 9/15/22
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Amen,
thank
you
amen
and
one
more
thing,
I
would
ask
the
committee
if,
if
it's
possible,
if
you
all
agree
to
it,
I
like
to
move
one
of
the
items
without
under
all
business,
so
that's
the
only
item
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
to
vote
on
tonight.
If
we
can
move
that
business
as
the
number
two
I
think
it
is
Miss
Johnson.
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H
H
Now
so
I'm
really
just
here
to
underscore
the
preservation
society's
support
for
this
revised
statement.
I
know,
there's
been
some
confusion
over
exactly
what
the
changes
will
mean
for
residents,
but
I
can
say
in
the
expert
opinions
of
the
architectural
urban
planning
preservation
professionals
at
the
preservation
Society.
These
rules
will
relieve
some
of
the
pain
points
that
residents
and
council
members
have
raised.
Specifically,
just
speaking
to
one
comment
from
Council
on
Tuesday
addressing
I
think
her
name
was
Miss
Darrington,
who
spoke
about
replacing
her
windows
in
Wagner,
Terrace
and
I
know.
H
There
are
others
like
Earth,
but
these
new
bar
guidelines
obnoxious,
strict
to
force
the
restoration
of
her
wood
windows,
which,
of
course,
you
know,
we
would
love,
but
it
would
provide
specific
guidelines
on
types
of
Windows.
She
could
use
to
make
the
desired
updates
to
her
house
to
fully
support
this
new
expanded
leeway
for
homeowners
like
Miss,
Darrington
and
other
homeowners
like
her
on
other
projects,
many
of
whom
I'm
sure
you
all
hear.
H
I
Jacobs
this
is
Donna
Jacobs.
Can
you
hear
me
now
we
can?
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Miss
Cook
and
chairman
for
allowing
me
to
speak
I
sent
in
my
comments,
but
I
still
would
like
to
read
some
of
them
in
for
the
record.
At
this
point.
In
time
and
the
beginning
of
my
letter,
I
called
the
lead
when
somebody
says
bring
your
A
game,
it
means
highest
and
best,
and
an
A-game
revitalization
of
West
Ashley
can
only
happen
with
diligence
and
balance.
This
was
the
overarching
request
of
thousands
of
people
who
participated
in
the
plan.
I
West
Ashley
prosperous
process
grow
in
the
right
places
in
the
right
ways.
This
should
not
be
just
some
nice
words
printed
in
a
plan
that
is
gathering
dust
on
a
shelf.
I
actually
gave
you
a
little
bit
of
perspective
in
my
comments
and
I
would
like
to
go
move
forward
into
what
I
call
the
back
story
in
the
process.
The
DuPont
wapu
Community
Plan
was
adopted
in
November
of
2016
in
response
to
concerns
from
residents
and
business
owners.
I
The
plans
formulate
the
vision
for
the
area
that
include
two
of
the
streets
under
review
from
exclusion
from
the
drb
process,
Dupont,
Road
and
Orleans.
One
element
of
the
outlined
Vision
was
to
improve
architectural
requirements
but
allow
for
cost-effecting
building
materials.
This
plan,
the
Ashley
Bridge
District
plan,
laid
the
groundwork
for
plan
West
Ashley
in
2016,
a
gas
station
proposed
for
the
dead
pig
site,
as
sumar
Street
was
allowed
by
zoning.
I
However,
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
were
highly
concerned
about
this
Redevelopment
and
revitalization,
and
they
filled
the
public
meeting
room
at
2,
George
Street
during
design
review
and
protest.
The
outpouring
of
concern
was
so
great
that
the
city
ultimately
stepped
in
purchased
the
site,
and
today
we
have
a
beautiful
design
for
a
project
that
will
elegantly
announce
a
prominent
Gateway
in
West
Ashley.
Even
car
washes
are
beautiful.
Now
the
Redevelopment
and
the
redesign
of
the
Ryan
site
has
improved
due
to
public
participation
in
the
designery
view
process
and
a
recent
drb
we
were.
I
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F
Mr
chairman,
we
did
receive
some
other
comments
online
as
well
and
I.
Think
Miss
Jacobs
just
went
over
the
comments
that
she
submitted.
Carlton
Swift.
It's
been
all
the
comments
in
full
were
sent
to
the
committee.
This
is
just
a
summary
of
the
comments
that
we
received.
Carlton
Swift
expressed
concerns
about
the
proposed
carve
outs
for
design,
review
oversight
and
West
Ashley,
as
they
had
long
struggled
to
Define
their
character
and
forage
their
own
identity.
F
The
city
developed
plan
West
Ashley
in
2017
to
act
as
a
blueprint
for
defining
West,
Ashley's
character
and
preserving
the
character
of
the
community.
According
to
the
plan.
One
of
the
comments
made
frequently
by
residents
was
they
wanted
to
preserve
the
unique
neighborhood
character
and
that
it
was
weakened
by
vacant
strip,
malls,
General
and
aging
shopping,
centers
and
lack
of
identity
at
entryways,
the
DI
RB
process
covered
their
commercial
corridors.
F
They
were
beginning
to
see
momentum
from
the
foundations
laid
by
plan,
West
Ashley,
and
they
were
finally
designing
and
preserving
their
their
character
because
of
the
drb.
Instead
of
seeing
a
parking
lot
full
of
cars,
they
saw
Immaculate,
Immaculate
landscaping
and
hidden
parking
behind
attractive
buildings,
allowing
the
car
balance
would
be
a
step
back
for
the
community.
F
Charlie
Smith
expressed
concerns
about
Savage
Road
being
removed
from
drb
jurisdiction,
which
would
permit
the
demolition
of
any
building
within
any
designated
Job
Center
or
industrial
district
in
a
city
subject
only
to
staff
approval,
which
was
for
the
jurisdiction
of
the
drb.
He
asked
if
the
public
should
have
access
to
a
list
of
every
area
in
the
city
which
would
be
affected
by
the
proposal.
F
He
said:
the
inclusion
of
savage
Road,
the
job
center
districts
and
Industrial
districts,
and
this
discussion
was
a
substantial
deviation
from
the
item
listed
on
the
agenda,
and
there
is
no
public
notice
to
include
Savage
Road
job,
job,
centers
or
industrial
districts.
He
thought
it
amounted
to
spot
unzoning.
He
said
the
proposal
undermined
18
years
of
work
by
the
drb
and
five
years
of
work
by
the
West
Ashley.
F
Revitalization,
commission
that
undermined
the
works
work
and
was
counter
to
the
will
of
the
citizens
who
participate
participated
in
plan
West,
Ashley
Kenneth
marolda
said
he
served
on
the
west
Ashley
revitalization
commission
and
was
part
of
a
work
group
that
crafted
guidelines
for
the
drb
to
document
the
character
in
significant
characteristics
of
major
corridors
in
West
Ashley.
He
asked
what
the
benefit
would
be
from
removing
this
tract
of
land
from
the
board's
oversight.
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D
Three,
his
own
single
family
residents-
and
there
is
no
single
family
resident-
that's
actually
occupied
in
there
I
would
invite,
as
I
did
at
West
Ashley
revitalization
last
night,
invite
anybody
to
ride
through
there
and
see
what
residential
neighborhood
would
be
restored
there.
That
area
transitioned
long
ago.
Some
some
uses
in
there
are
actually
light
industrial
there's,
a
stone,
carving
company
Granite
carving
company
in
there
the
place
in
there
that
works
on
quite
frankly,
a
lot
of
the
police
cars
that
we
have
serviced
over
there
West
action.
D
It
is
a
highly
commercial
area
about
a
month
ago,
maybe
a
little
more
than
a
month
ago,
we
had
a
presentation.
What
could
be
a
four-star
hotel
to
be
built
in
which
would
frankly
change
the
or
raise
the
bar
of
accommodations,
West
Ashley.
We
have
about
20
whole
hotels,
West,
Ashley
and,
to
date
they've
all
been
along
the
lines
of
cost
sensitive.
You
know:
Holiday,
Inn,
Express,
type,
hotels,
Best,
Western,
no,
full
service,
hotels,
no
banquet
facilities
to
speak
of
of
size
right
now.
D
That
would
be
done
in
the
county
on
one
of
these
30
Parcels,
that's
again,
Zone
in
the
county.
That
means
as
those
parcels
and
when
you
try
to
revitalize
or
redevelop
an
area.
That's
got
divided
government
property
owners
and
their
property
owners
and
their
Architects
Engineers
are
much
quicker
and
pivot
a
lot
quicker
than
frankly.
We
do.
They
look
to
see
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
to
develop
in
one
jurisdiction
compared
to
another
and
what
we've
seen
taking
place
over
there.
D
They're,
my
friends,
but
there
are
times
when
we
just
have
respectful
disagreements,
and
this
is
one
there
was
another
one
years
ago,
with
a
75
override
of
elected
officials
having
to
get
75
percent
to
override
a
Planning
Commission
that
we
appoint.
We
changed
that
and
the
prediction
was
you
know:
Charleston
would
almost
come
to
an
end
and
it's
been
nothing
of
the
sort
that
area.
D
If
there
was
an
area
that
should
have
been
designated
an
Enterprise
Zone,
it
could
have
been
that
this
area
have
probably
revitalized,
could
have
a
200
million
dollar
impact.
Just
a
note
in
that
one
block,
because
of
the
properties
already
being
zoned
commercial,
if
you
say
why
the
hotel,
the
four-star
hotel,
is
approximately
a
60
million
dollar
Hotel
and
that
doesn't
include
the
out
Parcels.
That
would
come
the
potential
Redevelopment
of
some
of
these
vacant
properties.
That's
already
Zone,
General
commercial,
again,
raising
the
bar
as
I
said
last
night.
D
If
you
throw
a
rock
into
a
calm,
Pond
or
lake,
you
get
reverberations
that
come
out
of
that.
That's
exactly
what
happened
when
Charleston
Police
was
placed
on
a
vacant
lot
in
the
middle
of
downtown
Charleston
I'm
in
Seafood,
where
people
Mr
Summerfield,
where
people
line
up
to
get
lunch
in
right
now
it
was
a
hollow
vacant
building
and
at
the
time
we
didn't
use
the
term
homeless,
but
we
did
use
the
term
whole
boats
lived
in
there.
You
didn't
go
down
there
after
dark.
D
It
was
a
a
seedy
Place,
quite
frankly,
the
place
with
a
merchant
semen
when
it
was
a
red
light
district
frankly
down
in
the
market
area.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
heard
me
a
rally
joke
one
time.
It
was
the
only
place
that
you
could
go
for
five
bucks
and
I'm,
quoting
that
you
could
get
a
pizza,
a
pizza,
a
picture
of
beer
and
VD
all
for
five
bucks.
That's
what
used
to
be
down
in
that
area
now
this
area
isn't
that
bad.
D
But
there
is
one
house
there
that
I
heard
somebody
mention,
and,
quite
frankly,
it
has
been
a
place
where
drug
addicts
break
in
to
use
crack
and
assorted
drugs
it
gets
boarded
up.
Then
they
pull
the
boards
down
and
homeless.
People
go
in.
So
the
argument
to
say
that
where
the
city
has
just
done
on
cunnington
Avenue
and
recently
we
had
a
meeting
and
I
suspect.
D
That's
eventually
going
to
come
in
front
of
us
for
Mount,
Pleasant
and
Rutledge
Avenues
to
be
able
to
take
buildings
down
so
improvements
can
come.
We
have
that
flexibility
in
some
parts
of
the
peninsula.
We
don't
have
that
on
West
Ashley
in
part
because
of
the
broad
brush
that
the
design
Corridor
review
board.
F
D
Should
those
developments
occur
out
of
the
city.
The
city
is
not
going
to
generate
any
revenues
for
those
drainage
improvements.
If
they
occur
in
the
City
of
Charleston
that
60
million
dollar
Hotel
will
be
going
through
our
planning
process,
they
would
go
through
our
technical,
Review
Committee.
The
trainers
will
go
through
our
journey
on
stormwater
department
and
I
got
to
tell
you.
I
was
stormwater.
Our
dreams
department
is
the
best
in
stormwater
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina,
and
that's
not
hyperbole.
D
Look
at
the
battery
look
at
the
job
that
we're
doing
on
the
back.
Look
at
probably
one
of
the
most
complicated
drainage
projects
in
the
state
right
now,
which
is
spring
fish
spring.
Almost
a
200
million
dollar
project.
Our
stormwater
department
has
almost
a
half
a
billion
dollars
worth
of
experience.
None
of
that
will
be
applied
to
this
doo-wop
drainage
district
and
help
with
revenues,
because
those
areas
would
be
developed
outside
the
city
of
Charleston
yeah.
Those
who
fight
to
keep
it.
The
word
is
have
no
answers
to
that.
D
D
That
means
the
City
of
Charleston
is
shut
out
and
in
effect,
that's
a
small
point.
They
don't.
They
don't
realize
that
we
want
that
development
is
going
to
take
place.
It's
going
to
take
place
with
us,
and
it's
going
to
take
place
without
us.
I
say,
has
better
developed
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
and
so
we
move
one
board
out.
D
That's
not
going
to
be
the
end
of
the
Earth
and
and
when
I
heard
about
the
quality
of
neighborhoods
being
somehow
deterred
as
a
result
of
this
with
all
due
respect,
that's
a
false
narrative.
This
does
not
affect
any
of
the
iconic
homes,
as
you
drive
north
on
Savannah
Highway
and
get
into
the
Marlin
area
and
the
burns
down
area
with
some
of
the
houses
falling
were
ends
and
now
I've
been
wonderfully
converted
to
dental
offices.
D
Office
space
for
attorneys
and
the
like
I
would
invite
you
and
I've
done.
This
go
from
Dupont,
Road
and
Drive
South.
All
the
way
to
Long
Creek
over
there
and
look
to
your
right
and
look
to
your
left
and
see
how
many
iconic
houses
that
we
can
restore
via
this
I'm,
not
asking
for
all
that
to
be
taken.
I
am
asking
for
this
one
block,
because
I
really
believe
it's
successful.
D
The
Prudence
of
this
may
grow
South
on
Savannah
Highway.
If
not,
then
I
guess
it
stays
the
way
it
is
and
then
development
would
occur.
Some
of
these
properties
I've,
actually
written
them
down.
Some
of
these
properties
were
purchased
in
1999,
2000
2001.
and
these
owners
have
been
holding
on
to
them
and
have
said,
and
some
of
them
have
been
developed
like
the
the
seafood
place
on
the
corner.
Dupont
is
a
Captain
D's
that
is
developed
in
the
county.
D
The
the
possums
fertilizer
Foods,
it's
developed
in
the
county
and
those
are
recent
developments.
The
the
glass
gentleman
that
owns
a
glass
pairing
repair
place
on
Dupont
Road,
Again
developed
in
the
county.
Why?
Because
they
look
at
both
areas
and
say
from
a
cost-effective
standpoint:
let's
go
in
another
Direction,
so
I
really
do
believe.
If
you
say
well,
200
million
you
off
your
rocket
go
through
as
I've
done.
D
I
know
any
property
owner
is
asking
for
any
rezoner.
So
again,
that's
a
false
marriage.
It's
the
same,
similar
pushback.
Frankly,
when
I
guess
people
see
their
Turf
being
stepped
on
and
I'm
looking
at
it
from
the
standpoint
of
this
is
a
job
center.
By
the
way,
how
many
mill
jobs
would
be
created
by
that
potential?
Four-Star
hotel,
again,
business
like
business,
permit
fees,
business,
license
fees,
accommodation,
sales,
tax,
Hospitality,
sales,
tax
revenue,
stormwater
shoes,
all
going,
someplace
else?
Why?
D
K
D
There
are
about
20
hotels,
West
of
Ashley
and
about
19
out
of
the
city
as
a
matter
of
fact,
one
of
them,
the
one
that's
not
in
the
city,
is
in
the
same
area.
I'm
talking
about
it,
was
developed
about
six
to
seven
years
ago
to
town
home
suites
and
it's
it's
developed
in
the
county
and
it
still
is
in
the
county,
actually
probably
has
changed,
hands
and
I.
Think
some
entity
out
of
Chicago
owns
it
or
something.
K
D
K
And
and
and
finally,
I
I
think
you
talked
about
the
Rippling
effect
yeah
and
you
used
Charleston
Place
as
an
example.
I
did
and
yeah
I
and
and
I
know
what
you're
talking
about
in
terms
of
what
it
was
and
once
once
Charleston
Place
got
it
got
there.
The
ripple
effect
was
unbelievable
in
terms
of
the
economic
development
activity
in
the
area
and
if
I'm
hearing
you
correctly,
you
think
that
this
would
be
a
similar
stimulus
to.
D
D
The
unspoken
word
is
that
really
we
need
more
revitalization
to
get
things
going
where
where's
the
incentives
to
come
and
do
it
West
Ashley.
We
have
not
done
anything
that
to
communicate
to
the
business
Community
come
on
join
in.
Let
me
tell
you
what
all
we
got
going
on.
That's
good.
We
got
good
stories.
We
had
been
to
it.
Well,
we'll
tell
better,
but
this
is
a
good
example
to
start
with
councilman.
C
Sir
okay,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I've
got
some
comments
on
this,
but
I
first
had
a
question
to
councilman
Waring
that
I
wanted
to
ask,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
I
I'm
clear
with
the
concerns
that
are
being
expressed
here.
So
what
is
it
particularly
about
these
Parcels
being
subject
to
drb
review?
That
is
the
concern
here.
Is
it
just
the
unpredictability
for
the
developer?
What
will
be
approved?
How
many
times
they'll
be
sent
back
to
the
drawing
board
is
that
is
that
the
concern
then.
D
Caught
because
it
raises
the
course
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question
because
it
has
gotten
so
so
that
issue
among
business
owners
are
to
the
point
where
The
Architects
some
and
some
of
the
engineering
firms.
They
don't
even
want
to
come
up
front
to
see
some
of
the
problems
with
the
fulfilled
reprisals.
D
C
Yeah
I
I
appreciate
that
and
councilman
I
mean
you
know.
You've
heard
me
talk
about
these
concerns
and
other
contexts.
You
know
and
and
I
sympathize
with
a
lot
of
what
what
you're
saying
and
you
know-
I'm
I'm
bored
in
West.
Actually
I
I
go
back
several
Generations
in
West
Ashley,
I
love,
West,
Ashley,
I'm,
a
big
supporter
of
West
Ashley.
C
But
there
are
a
lot
of
sorry
parts
of
West.
Ashley
I
mean,
let's
just
be
real
about
it:
it
ain't
it
ain't
all
roses
and
sunshine
and
unicorns,
and
what's
that
I'm,
a
huge
proponent
of
West
Ashley.
Revitalization
I
applaud
everybody.
That's
been
involved
in
that
process,
but
we
need
to
start
seeing
more
things
happen
on
the
ground.
It's
not
all.
Just
Zoom
calls
and
pretty
pictures,
and
you
know
PowerPoint
presentations.
I
mean
at
some
point.
C
We've
got
to
start
making
some
things
happen,
and
you
know
the
issue
of
you
know
aesthetic
regulation
and
sending
developers
and
Architects
before
the
board
of
Architectural
Review
downtown.
It's
got
its
challenges,
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
when
you're
talking
about
doing
80
100,
you
know
Million
Dollar,
Deals,
Plus,
downtown
the
peninsula.
C
D
C
But
if
you're
trying
to
build
a
dentist
office,
you
know
on
Sam,
Rittenberg,
Boulevard
and
you're
sent
to
the
drb
and
you
have
to
get
into
these
same
sorts
of
Dynamics.
The
economics
of
this
become
much
more
difficult
and
much
more
obligated.
Everybody
is
in
support
of
having
good
quality
development
in
West.
Ashley
West
Ashley
deserves
high
quality.
C
C
When
you
look
at
what's
going
on
downtown
Mount
Pleasant,
even
up
into
Somerville
next
in
those
kind
of
areas,
something's
wrong
in
West,
Ashley
and
we've
got
to
start
looking
very
critically
about
what
the
cause
of
that
problem
is,
and
so
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
ways
you
can
get
at
aesthetic
regulation.
For
example,
the
county
Charleston
County
has
aesthetic
regulations.
They've
got
a
part
of
their
zldr
that
deals
with
Aesthetics
and
Architectural
controls,
but
it's
it's
it's
framed
as
a
zoning
regulation.
C
They
just
come
right
out
in
the
code
and
say
what
you
can
and
can't
do
so.
It's
very
objective
right
so
folks
know
you
know
a
priority
going
into
the
project.
What
they
can
do,
how
they
can
do
it.
It
eliminates
some
of
the
guesswork
and
the
subjectivity
and
things
of
that
nature
that
happen.
When
you
go
before
these
boards,
that's
an
option
and
that's
something
we
can
look
at
and
ought
to
look
at
in
West
Ashley.
C
But
you
know
I'm,
not
I,
don't
think
the
drb
is
inherently
a
problem
or
we
ought
to
throw
the
baby
out
with
the
bath
water.
I
think
we
need
to
be
a
lot
more
critical.
You
know
of
the
drb
demand
more
Excellence
from
the
process
from
the
drb
members.
We
can't
be
telling
people
you
know
to
take
five
steps
forward.
Then
four
steps
back
I
mean
this
costs
money.
This
is
a
drain
on.
You
know
these
projects
in
these.
In
these
efforts
we
have
to
be
very
cognizant.
Of
that.
C
Last
thing,
I
would
say.
Is
that
you
know
when
you
start
talking
about
doing
you
know
major
significant
projects
in
areas
of
the
municipality
wants
to
see
revitalized
I,
don't
see
any
reason
why
this
particular
property
could
it
be
subjected
to
a
put
where
in
in
turn,
for
annexation,
the
zoning
that
they
would
get
would
be
a
putt,
and
that
would
allow
creativity
on
the
side
of
the
developer
to
get
into
all
sorts
of
issues,
including
use,
including
Aesthetics
things
of
that
nature.
You
can
bake
a
lot
of
that
cake.
H
C
D
E
J
I
think
I
know
now,
after
listening
to
you,
but
the
agenda
item
says
discussion
to
remove
Dupont
Road
from
Sam
ruttenberg
to
Savannah
highway
and
Orleans
Road
from
Sam
ripberg
to
Savannah
highway
from
the
design
review
corridor
and
it
it
doesn't
say
Sam,
Rittenberg
or
Savannah
highway,
and
that
the
main
property
I
think
you've
been
talking
about
is,
is
the
proposed
Hotel
property
I
believe
that
that
front
Savannah
highway
would
have
Atlanta
Highway
address
it's
not
on
Dupont
or
Orleans.
So
so
clearly,.
D
J
D
K
J
So
just
a
few
comments:
if
I
may
you
mentioned
a
few
times
about
the
commercial
nature
of
the
properties
and
the
zoning
and
I
I
certainly
believe
that's
correct
and
and
I
would
just
point
out
that
the
design
review
board
for
the
most
part.
If,
if
I
remember
correctly,
the
original
intent
was
to
address
development
and
Commercial
development
on
primary
arteries
traffic
arteries,
primary
roads
like
Savannah,
highway
and
and
Sam
Rittenberg
being.
D
J
J
J
I
think
it
would
be
I
personally
think
it'd
be
in
their
best
interest,
long
term
I
think
it'd
be
in
the
city's
best
interest
long
term,
but
but
I'm
I
must
say
I,
don't
know
of
any
guarantee
that
they
would
do
that,
even
if
we
did,
as
you
suggest,
remove
the
drb
jurisdiction
from
that
property.
So,
as
you
said,
there's
40
something
properties
here
and
in
the
area
you
you've
outlined
and
only
13
of
them
are
in
the
city.
Only
13
must
be
subject
to
the
drb.
J
D
J
You
know
at
least
for
Savannah
highway
and
Sam
Rittenberg
in
Italy.
That's
only
one
block
on
either
side.
It
takes
that
away
and
and
I
I
think
that's
a
loss
to
the
city
personally,
I'm,
not
saying
that
Council
and
I
think
president
had
been
set,
that
adjustments
have
been
made
to
the
streets
and
corridors
that
the
drb
has
jurisdiction
over
I'm
sure
I'm.
Almost
absolutely
sure
that's
happened
since
the
drb
was
first
started.
J
You
know
I,
there's
some
thought
behind
that
that
maybe
these
aren't
primary
commercial,
Carters
and
drb
shouldn't
apply
personally
I
think
Savannah.
Highway
Sam
Rittenberg
are
and
just
mean,
maintain
the
Integrity
of
the
intent
of
the
drb
I
I
think
they
should
be
maintained
under
drb
jurisdiction.
I
I
did
want
to
further
say
about
the
storm
water
department.
I
totally
agree
with
you
that
invests
in
South
Carolina,
not
in
the
world,
but
this
particular
drainage
basin.
J
The
new
new
WAP
area,
we
have
been
collaborating
greatly
with
the
county
of
Charleston,
took
good
effect.
We,
you
know,
conducted
a
study
together
with
them
and
have
outlined
the
projects
that
could
make
improvements
to
the
drainage
basin
and
hope
to
continue
that
partnership.
So
you
know
this.
This
is
one
case
where
I
think
that
kind
of
partnership
between
the
city
and
the
county
is
is
a
a
good
thing
back
to
the
drb
for
a
second,
you
know
at
the
meeting
last
night
of
the
revitalization
commission.
J
Another
agenda
item
was
to
talk
about
the
guidelines
that
we
would
like
to
see.
The
drb
be
a
follow
when,
when
reviewing
plans
for
West
Ashley-
and
it
was
interesting
what
Eric
shared
with
us-
that,
in
fact
he
didn't
initially
want
to
be
too
specific
about
it.
But
in
fact
The
drb
Wanted
wants
us
to
be
more
specific
with
with
them
about
the
kinds
of
things
we
are
looking
for
for
Quality
development,
West,
Ashley
and
so
I
think
we're
at
the
juncture
where
we
can
tell
them.
J
We
can
tell
them
what
we're
looking
for
to
see
on
Sam,
Rittenberg
and
Savannah
highway.
Yeah
I
I
get
it.
We
could
argue
about
a
secondary
Street
if
you
want
to
consider
Orleans,
Road
and
Dupont
to
be
such
in
that
stretch
between
those
two
primary
corridors,
but
anyway,
I
I
just
got
to
say
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we
ought
to
do
something
like
this
lightly
to
to
change
the
the
the
jurisdiction
of
the
drb
I.
E
A
I,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I'm,
not
a
member
of
this
committee,
but
I'm
coming
to
you
as
the
chairman
of
the
West
Ashley,
revitalization,
commission
and
I'm
as
a
member
of
city
council,
who
represents
a
portions
of
West,
Ashley
and
I'm.
Sorry
that
councilman
wearing
just
walked
out
he's
coming
back
in
so
I
I
really
do
appreciate
councilman
bringing
this
out
for
a
discussion
because
he's
hitting
on
an
issue
that
that
needs
to
be
discussed.
A
Now
the
problem
that
this
property
is
not
in
the
city
we're
losing
out
on
property
taxes,
we're
losing
out
on
business,
license
fees,
we're
losing
out
on
Hospitality
we're
losing
out
on
accommodation
taxes
when
this
thing
is
built
out
and
councilman.
He
deploys
on
that
as
to
what's
going
on
counter
to.
This
is
another
project
that
we
heard
last
night
at
our
revitalization
commission,
that's
doing
with
Ashley
Blanding
and
it's
a
redo
of
the
of
the
shopping
area
in
which
Publix
is
going
to
be
relocated.
A
Wonderful
example
of
the
efforts
of
collaboration
with
the
city
with
the
county,
with
our
stormwater
department
on
revitalizing
that
Championship,
it's
going
to
be
a
huge
impact
for
us,
financially
they're,
not
asking
to
be
taken
out
of
the
design
review
board.
They.
They
came
before
us
to
bring
this
to
the
attention
of
our
community
and
working
with
us,
but
I
I
feel
and
I.
Hear.
A
But
the
answer
to
what
we're
trying
to
address
is
not
to
take
this
property
out
and,
in
fact,
I
think
the
exact
opposite
should
be
going
on.
We
should
be
expanding
the
footprint
of
drb,
but
the
problem
is
that,
as
going
through
the
process,
we're
not
given
enough
guidelines
or
they're,
not
following
the
guidelines,
because
the
frustration
level
of
going
in
front
of
the
drb
right
now
is
at
an
all-time
high
and
I'm
frustrated
with
it.
A
Quite
frankly,
and
I
made
my
frustrations
known
very
clearly
and
explicitly
to
City
staff
of
what
we
need
to
be
doing
to
be
addressing
and
making
this
process
a
lot
better.
A
lot
clearer,
because
I
think
councilmember
Appel
mentioned
this
earlier.
When
you
tell
a
a
project
manager
who
comes
in
front
of
one
of
our
boards,
you're
going
to
start
over
I
can't
imagine
the
cost
and
expense
that
is
created
by
them
having
to
start
all
over.
A
That's
not
fair
to
them
and
some
way
along
the
way
we
we've
lost
our
our
way
with
this
and
and
it
has
to
be
addressed.
Donna
Jacobs
brought
out
a
really
good
point
that
is
worth
mentioning
when
she
talked
about
the
the
positive
impact
that
property
within
drb.
When
you
talk
about
commercial
Redevelopment
has-
and
this
is
right
in
my
backyard-
this
is
the
Piggly
Wiggly
site
the
drb
stepped
in
to
prevent
a
20-pound
gas
station
from
being
developed
at
the
Piggly
Wiggly
site.
A
This
is
more
of
a
residential
area,
but
across
the
street
a
company
wanted
to
come
in
and
buy
this
abandoned
house
which
has
historical
significance
to
the
community
to
put
in
a
150
child
day
care
facility
and
the
negative
impact
it
was
going
to
have
on
that.
Neighborhood
was
going
to
be
so
so
devastating.
It
was
going
to
Terror.
It
was
going
to
tear
up
that
community.
It
was
in
drb
jurisdiction
and
it
stopped
that
development
from
taking
place
and
preserve
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
A
So
we've
got
a
balancing
act
here
that
we
need
to
be
addressing.
What
I
would
respectfully
suggest
that
we
do
with
this
issue
and
that
and
it
needs
to
be
fitted
out,
it
needs
to
be
flushed
out,
because
we've
got
some
serious
issues
that
are
I,
think
we're
going,
maybe
in
a
little
bit
wrong
direction
at
revitalization
of
us.
A
We
sometimes
we
complain
about
the
bar
downtown,
but
the
City
of
Charleston
is
the
City
of
Charleston
because
of
the
preservation
efforts
and
the
oversight
that
boards
like
that
played
in,
and
we
are
where
we
are
because
of
that
and
my
hats
off
to
the
preservation
society
and
to
the
historic
Foundation
that
made
sure
that
we
were
stringent
with
that
and
I
know.
We
have
some
problems
and
we've
kind
of
ironed
those
out,
but
why
would
I
think
that?
A
What
we
need
to
be
doing
to
sort
of
redirecting
this
a
little
bit
more
to
look
at
the
problem
itself
as
opposed
to
extracting
this
land
out
of
it?
So
I
think
we're
going
to
send
the
wrong
message
to
that.
So
councilman
Murray,
thanks
for
bringing
that
out
to
our
attention
you're
giving
me
the
signal
to
shut
up
Mr
chairman,
but
I
I
think
we're
on
to
something,
but
let's
just
sort
of
redirect
it
in
another
Direction
somewhat
to
address
the
issue
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
thank.
E
You
all
very
much
I'm
not
trying
to
rush
everyone.
I'm
gonna
mute
myself
right
now,
not
you
but
I'm,
not
trying
to
rush
everyone,
but
we're
still
on
the
we
haven't
even
gotten
to
the
new
business,
we're
still
in
all
business
right
now
and
you
know,
and
we
it's
almost
it's
after
four
already
and
I
know
a
couple
of
council
members
have
to
leave
well.
D
We
need
to
bring
in
some
of
these
business
owners
who
are
willing
to
talk
to
us
to
tell
us
listen.
This
is
one
thing
that
keeps
me
from
bringing
my
property
in
okay,
so
some
of
those
things
may
I
may
not
be
involved
included
in,
hopefully
to
streamline,
but
I
think
to
kick
it
to
the
West
Ashley
revitalization.
We
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
good
conversation,
but
from
a
written
standpoint,
that's
not
going
to
move
the
ball
forward.
D
That's
going
to
slow
it
up,
and,
and
you
see
this
train
is
already
leaving
the
station.
It's
not
like
this
hotel's
sitting
around
waiting
until
but
I
sure
hope
they
can
figure
that
thing
out
in
the
city,
at
Charleston,
they're,
moving
forward
planning
in
the
county
and
once
that
gets
a
certain
point
for
distance
down
the
track
it
gets
back
to
Wisconsin.
Then
they
got
to
throw
their
clams
away
to
come
back
to
redo
it
again
in
the
city.
D
So
that's
what
so
I
would
recommend
that
we,
if
you
would
allow
councilman
she
to
send
it
to
our
legal
staff.
Who've
heard
this
discussion,
who
heard
some
of
the
points
they
could
reach
out
to
us,
reach
out
to
the
mail
reach
out
to
planning,
but
I
would
also
respectfully
ask
that
we
get
some
of
the
property
owned.
Some
of
these
30
property
owners
who
are
not
in
the
city
and
said:
hey
you
have
this
property
and
and
what
I'm
looking
at
here
since
1999.
D
in
the
county
and
for
whatever
reason,
you've
not
brought
into
the
city,
tell
me
why
get
some
feedback
where
the
the
private
citizen
who's
going
to
invest
their
dollars
will
give
us
back
so,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I'll
be
willing
to
make
a
motion
to
that
that
we
send
a
child
legal
to
kind
of
streamline
and
if
you
want
to
keep
it
on
the
revitalization
agenda,
I'll
be
right
there
to
discuss
it
with
all
of
you.
So
you
want
to
let's
keep
moving
it
forward.
K
E
D
E
E
L
L
L
This
item
when
we
get
to
the
north
of
line
update
as
well
is
one
of
these
are
Dynamic
processes
and
nothing
should
be
ever
thought
of
as
set
in
stone
and
as
we
continue
to
look
at
these
things
again
to
use
councilman
waring's,
we
can
do
better.
There's
always
an
opportunity,
I
think
for
us
to
continue
to
examine
what
we're
doing.
L
What's
worked,
what
hasn't
and
make
improvements
to
that
so
with
that
I
wanted
to
give
you
all
a
quick
update
on
where
we're
at
with
some
revisions
that
we're
proposing
to
our
accessory
dwelling
unit
Provisions
in
the
the
zoning
code
and
I
know.
This
is
one
that's
near
and
dear
to
councilman
of
Hell's
heart
in
terms
of
just
a
quick,
easy
way
to
get
some
potentially
naturally
affordable,
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing
units.
L
So,
right
now,
under
our
current
regulations,
we
do
allow,
if
you
are,
if
you
meet
the
the
square
footage
requirements
for
an
accessory
unit,
you
can
be
within
three
feet
of
a
side
or
rear
setback.
However,
you
also
have
a
limit
on
the
the
height
of
the
accessory
dwelling,
specifically
where
the
Eve
is,
which
is
at
11
feet,
and
this
has
presented
some
difficulties
in
terms
of
you
know.
L
We
have
some
non-standard
Lots
in
Charleston
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
know
this,
but
Charleston's
an
older
community
that
always
hasn't
had
the
same
rules
in
place
as
our
current
standardized
Zoning
for
lot
areas
and
things,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
is
going
to
create
some.
What
we
feel
is
some
more
flexibility
in
creating
some
opportunities
for
some
folks
to
be
able
to
move
forward
with
an
Adu.
L
So
when
you
look
at
the
city
and
the
opportunity
for
adus,
you
know,
more
than
half
of
our
zoning
in
the
City
of
Charleston
is
is
in
the
single
family,
residential
designation.
So
this
is
a
pretty
significant
opportunity
that
we
have
the
more.
We
can
refine
these
Adu
standards
and
and
figure
out
ways
to
incentivize
getting
some
of
this
development
out.
L
There
I
mean
that's
52
percent
of
our
city,
I
mean
again
that's
the
high
end,
but
where
we
could
get
an
additional
unit,
half
our
city
could
provide
a
one
additional
unit
to
help
meet
some
of
our
housing,
affordability
and
housing,
just
availability
issues.
So
you
know
this
is
an
issue
again,
like
I
said
where
we
have
some
single-family
zones
that
have
setback
requirements
of
25
feet
for
things
that
are
of
the
the
other
height.
L
So
without
the
exceptions
that
we
have
for
Ado
construction,
you
know,
even
though
we
have
the
ordinance,
we
would
make
it
almost
virtually
impossible
for
an
Adu
to
ever
be
built
and
we're
still
we're
still
pushing
to
get
I.
Think
Chloe
we're
still
pushing
to
get
our
first
Adu
right
like
we're.
Still,
since
we've
begun
this
program,
we
haven't
had
any
new
ones.
I,
don't
think
still
come
through
at
this
point.
L
So
great,
so
that
means
again
it's
two,
but
it's
more
than
we
were
having
before
so
I
mean
we're,
making
some
progress
not
not
where
we
need
to
be,
though,
so.
What
we're
proposing
in
this
revision-
and
this
seems
it
may
seem
pretty
basic,
but
it
is
the
possibility
to
have
to
create
some
conversation,
particularly
for
our
more
Suburban
Representatives,
where,
where.
L
K
L
Sir,
so
so
what
we're
proposing
these
seem
minor
but
I
think
on
the
ground
they
are
going
to
provide
some
some
real
benefit
to
trying
to
get
that
number
up
from
two
one
of
those
is
to
allow
for
a
maximum
of,
or
the
two
elements
here
are
to
allow
a
maximum
of
two
stories
or
18
feet
to
the
eve
and
that's
significant,
because
we
already
have
this
type
of
development
typology
existing
in
the
city
from
before
our
most
recent
or
our
current
Adu
restrictions.
We
have
this
in
Wagner
Terrace.
L
You
know
we
have
this
in
Riverland
Terrace,
an
area
of
the
city
we're
trying
to
bring
our
the
community
that
we're
trying
to
bring
into
the
city
up
in
in
that
area
in
the
county.
So
this
is
not
unprecedented.
What's
being
proposed
again,
you
know
we
do
anticipate
that
there
may
be
some
folks
that
May
balk
a
little
bit
because
it
does
create
a
little
height
a
little
closer
to
their
property.
L
But
we
think
it's
a
reasonable
approach
and
I
think
we're
kind
of
looking
for
an
endorsement
from
this
committee
to
kind
of
push
this
forward.
Based
on
our
current
timeline,
we're
here
today
for
information,
and
then
we
would
be
looking
to
do
a
public
hearing
at
our
Planning
Commission
on
the
19th
of
October
and
then
bring
it
to
Council
on
the
25th
of
October
for
our
first
read
and
we're
we're
open
to
take
any
comments
or
thoughts
on
on
this
again.
D
C
And,
as
you
know,
I'm
sure
everyone
recalls
have
been
a
big
proponent
for
making
it
easier
for
folks
to
build
adus
in
the
City
of
Charleston
I.
Think
it's
a
important
way
that
we
can
go
about
addressing
our
housing,
affordability
and
housing
stock
challenges
in
the
City
of
Charleston
and,
as
Robert
pointed
out,
adus
are
nothing
new
I
mean
look
south
of
Raleigh,
there's
Carriage,
Houses
and
there's
all
kinds
of
creative
Innovative.
C
You
know
uses
of
backyards
or
additional
dwelling
spaces,
and
things
of
that
nature
same
goes
for
a
lot
of
the
neighborhoods
I
represent
I
mean
there's
adus
and
burns
Downs,
there's
adus
and
old
Windermere,
as
Robert
pointed
out
and
as
it
caused
the
Skyfall
hasn't
caused.
You
know
the
birds
to
stop
chirping,
it's
okay,
you
know
we
can
build
adus
and
it's
gonna.
It's
gonna
be
all
right.
C
It's
really
our
moderns
of
it
1960s
1970s
that
has
made
that
practice
illegal
and
you
know
we
just
need
to
be
mindful
of
of
what
stands
in
the
way
of
making
these
projects
happen
and
we've
all
talked
at
length
about
the
benefits
of
Adu.
So
it
really,
it
really
warms.
My
heart
to
see
these
sort
of
tweaks
come
before
us
from
the
front
lines
from
the
staff
that
see
that
these
applications
every
day
that
see
the
challenges
up
front
in
the
in
the
review
process
every
day.
C
So
we
can
continue
to
make
this
process
work
better
because,
while
0
to
2
is
is
a
sizeable
jump,
you
know
from
a
I
guess
from
a
percentage
standpoint
guys
we
need
to
have
hundreds
of
adus
per
minute
over
the
next
decade.
I
mean
that's
not
an
unrealistic
goal,
an
expectation
for
the
City
of
Charleston,
and
we
can
set
the
rules
properly.
C
I
think
we'll
have
a
market
for
it
and
I
think
we'll
have
folks
that
will
facilitate
these
kinds
of
developments
about
our
city
and
I.
Think
we'll
be
better
for
it
jurisdictions
all
over.
The
country
are
doing
this
California
recently
passed
a
state
law.
It
prevents
local
governments
from
regulating
adus
California
is
stepping
in
and
telling
local
governments
they
need
to
get
out
of
the
way
when
it
comes
to
this
kind
of
stuff.
So
the
more
we
can
do
to
improve
the
process.
I
think
we'll
be
better
for
it.
Thank
y'all.
J
J
So
how
do
we
deal
with
the
free
board
like
if
I
area
was
only
at
you
know
four
or
five
feet
above
sea
level,
and
then
you
needed
to
build
a
house?
The
Adu
up
eight
feet
just
to
get
to
where
you
can
legally
build,
and
then
you
got
another
18
feet
of
to
the
eve
height.
How
are
y'all
accounting
for
that.
L
F
He
also
is
you
know,
one
of
the
reasons
why
this
is
just
a
proposed
revision
under
review,
we're
not
showing
the
ordinance
text
right
now,
as
he's
still
doing
his
final
sort
of
comb
through
of
the
details
before
we
present
any
kind
of
ordinance
language
so
I'll
add
that
to
his
list
of
things
to
bring
back
when
we
do
bring
this
back
to
a
planning.
Commissioner
city
council,
great.
J
E
J
L
And
and
Mr
chairman
I
would
just
like
I
said:
I
would
add
that
again.
This
is
this
is
an
incremental
step.
This
doesn't
mean
that
we're
done
with
what
might
be
future
modifications
to
Adu
we're
continuously
looking
at
opportunities
to
to
make
those
tweaks
make
those
improvements
to
try
to
get
those
because,
honestly,
councilman
Appel.
If
it
takes
a
decade
to
get
100,
we
we
failed.
We
really
honestly
as
a
housing
type.
K
So
I'd
just
like
for
us
to
really
get
creative
and
look
at
some
of
the
things
that
other
jurisdictions
are
doing.
To
increase,
affordable
opportunities
to
our
residents
and
I.
Just
put
that
out
there
as
a
couple.
There
are
many
more
as
as
most
of
you
know,
that
jurisdictions
are
doing
to
to
combat
this
National
problem
of
the
lack
of
affordability.
So
I'd
just
like
to
know
from
my
planning
staff,
whether
or
not
they
are
in
fact
looking
into
other
possibilities
and
possibilities.
L
Mr
chairman,
if
I
can
just
respond
real
quick,
so
the
short
answer
councilman
is
yes,
we
are,
you
know.
We
we've
had
some
brief
conversations
about
that.
The
concept
that
you
kind
of
brought
up
with
the
modern
day
boarding
house
I
mean
because
that's
essentially
what
you're
describing,
unfortunately
in
a
lot
of
zoning
codes
that
was
sort
of
outlawed
with
the
definition
of
family
and
how
many
unrelated
folks
can
reside
in
a
single
family
residence.
L
So
that's
one
of
the
things
we
are
examining
that
doesn't
necessarily
call
for
anything
that
needs
to
be
built
for
those
of
you
who
are
on
budget
at
Hawk.
You
heard
me
yesterday,
talk
about
and
Gianna
and
I
have
both
been
collaborating
on
the
the
fact
that
we
need
a
full-time,
affordable,
housing
concierge,
where
one
of
their
responsibilities
is
to
do
exactly
what
you're
describing
councilman,
because
we
don't
know
what
we
don't
know.
We
don't
know
what
you
know.
L
L
It's
again
it's
part
of
the
budget
request,
but
yes,
we
are
doing
it.
Could
we
do
better,
absolutely
I
think
we
could.
We
have
a
proposal
and
a
plan
with
the
budget
cycle
to
be
able
to
do
that,
and
it's
specifically
one
of
the
criteria.
That's
in
the
zoning
rewrite
is
again
the
consultant
team
that
we're
bringing
on
board
that's
going
to
bring
National
Best
Practices
to
our
to
our
conversations
about
the
zoning,
rewrite
affordability,
affordable,
housing.
You
know
again,
it's
one
I
know
councilman
of
Palace
followed.
L
There
are
jurisdictions
across
this
country
that
have
outlawed
single-family
detached
zoning.
I,
don't
know
that
that's
one
we
are
going
to,
but
we've
looked
at
it.
We've
looked
at
where
that
52
percent
single
family
zoning
number
came
from.
That's
a
part
of
that
conversation
about
how
drastically
that
could
change
opportunities
for
additional
dwellings.
So
anyway,
I
know
that
was
a
long
way
to
say.
Yes,
but
yes,
sir,
we
we
are,
we
are
working
on
it
and
looking
at
it.
K
This
is
just
as
a
follow-up
Mr,
chairman
and
I
agree
with
you
that
I
mean
boarding
houses,
okay,
boarding
houses
was
the
thing
and
it
seemed
to
work
and
going
back
to
council
member
Appel
if
it's
just
a
simple
zoning
change.
Okay,
a
zoning
change
for
us
to
go
back
to
some
type
of
boarding
situation;
okay,
that's
legal;
okay,
everybody
wins,
including
the
elderly,
who
needs
the
additional
resources
to
maintain
some
of
these
very,
very
large
spaces
that
we
have
so
I,
really
think
that
we
don't.
K
We
don't
need
to
be
waiting
until
we
complete
our
zoning
studies
to
make
some
common
sensical
zoning
changes
that
will
increase
the
number
of
affordable
opportunities
for
the
residents
of
the
city.
So
I
don't
want
to
I
mean
I'm,
throwing
this
out
here
now,
so
that
we
can
sort
of
look
into
it
now
and
if
and
if
we
can
do
any
kind
of
changes
to
our
existing
ordinances
now
to
increase
those
kind
of
opportunities.
I
think
that
we
should
be
prepared
to
sort
of
present
something
in
that
Accord
to
this
Community
Development
Committee.
L
Absolutely
and
I
apologize
I
didn't
mean
to
suggest
that
we
were
waiting
on
anything.
We
just
have
that
as
a
part
of
the
work,
but
absolutely
we
can.
We
can
work
on
something
and
and
and
Mr
chairman.
We
can
bring
that
forward
for
a
Future
CD
committee
presentation
on
what
what
would
be
the
opportunities
there
and
what
it
would
mean
in
terms
of
changes
to
the
zoning
code
to
accommodate
something
like
the
modern
day
boarding
house.
Thank
you.
E
L
K
Think
that
we
should
wait
for
the
additional
information
that
the
mayor,
that's
what
I'm
saying
before
we.
We
move
forward
with
sending
this
to
the
body
of
a
hole,
because
I
thought
that
that
was
a
key
key
question
and
consideration
that's
necessary
for
us
to
know
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
have
Adu
units.
Eight
nine
foot
higher
than
existing
structures
I
think
that's
a
legitimate
issue
that
needs
to
be
resolved
because.
L
F
E
E
L
Did
you
all
hear
how
quickly
Gianna
said
Robert
point
that
out
for
the
record?
Thank
you
Mr,
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
so
just
wanted
to
there.
There
continues
to
be
conversation
here
and
and
I
apologize,
I
think
there
there
might
have
been
a
a
miscommunication
on
on
my
part
to
my
team
or
to
staff
about
our
our
Readiness
to
to
move
forward.
L
L
I
think
there
was
also
some
question
at
Council
on
Tuesday
night.
Just
as
a
reminder,
the
the
preservation
ordinance,
the
the
enacting
language
for
for
the
board
of
Architectural
Review
does
provide
them
the
ability
to
adopt
policies
at
the
board
level
in
order
to
help
them
implement
the
policy
direction
that
is
adopted
by
the
ordinances
that
you
all
as
Council
have
adopted.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
the
the
line
of
thinking
where
this
policy
comes
from
and
why
we
keep
talking
about
taking
it
to
the
board
for
approval
versus
you
know.
L
But
so
this
is
the
area
north
of
line
that
we're
talking
about
where
this
demolition
purview
exists
for
bar
the
vast
majority.
So
the
policy
that
is
being
proposed
is
going
to
alleviate
the
vast
majority
of
the
properties
within
this
purview
area
from
requiring
to
go
to
board
for
review
of
demolition
of
a
number
of
things
related
that
could
be
related
to
their
Windows
Doors
roofs,
things
of
that
nature,
where
they
previously
that
demolition
might
have
gotten
denied,
because
the
the
board
would
provide
direction
to
repair
or
what
have
you.
L
This
is
going
to
provide
a
lot
more
opportunity
for
leeway
at
the
staff
level
before
it
ever
has
to
get
to
a
board
for
the
staff
to
look
at
the
request
and
where
appropriate,
materials
and
there's
a
there's
a
range
of
materials.
So
it's
not
like
you
get
one
option
and
if
you
can't
do
it,
you
you
go
to
the
board.
There's
there's
multiple
options
available
in
these
categories
and
that
would
allow
our
staff
to
take
a
review
and
approve
a
replacement,
potentially
a
replacement
option
where
it
doesn't
now.
L
This
group
one
the
the
red
that
you
see.
This
is
an
area
that
is
in
our
this
is
these
are
and
I'm
gonna,
hopefully
I'm,
not
butchering
this.
These
are
the
neighborhoods
that
are
in
the
National
Registry,
and
so
they
do
have
a
higher
level.
We,
as
a
local
certified
government,
have
a
higher
degree
of
responsibility
under
the
preservation,
the
national
preservation
rules.
You
know
the
stuff
that
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
puts
out
to
to
be
a
little
bit
more
scrutinized,
those
those
changes
to
those
historic
districts.
L
So
this
is
an
area
where
we
still
have
the
potential
for
release
so
that
you
don't
have
to
go
to
the
board
for
certain
things,
but
that
that
threshold
is
is,
is
narrower
and
Tighter.
So
I
do
want
to
point
out
that,
but
the
vast
majority
of
the
district
well
the
entire
District,
but
the
vast
majority
of
the
district
I
think
is
made
much
better
off
in
terms
of
proposing
to
make
changes
based
on
that
and
we
actually
ran
some
tests,
because
this
was
something
I
mean
again.
Thank
you
to
councilman
Sacrament.
L
Okay,
so
this
is
a
summary
I
think
this
was
shared
last
time
of
you
know
what
the
current
policy
is
and
again
hopefully
my
screen
change
to
the
this
kind
of
Matrix
thing,
seeing
no
confusion
so
yes,
so
and
then,
where
it
was
in
May
of
this
year,
when
we
previously
had
come
to
CD
committee
and
then
where
it
was
this
past
August
when
we
came
to
the
committee.
So
unless
anyone
has
any
questions
there,
I'll
I
have
it
available.
L
We
can
discuss
further
I'm
happy
to
do
that,
but
here's
where
I
wanted
to
spend
a
moment
on
just
because
this
I
think
is
important
to
understand
that
this
hat
this
change
in
policy
and
the
quicker
we
get
it
on
the
street.
Even
if
we
know
that
there's
still
some
additional
tweaking,
we
may
want
to
do
and
adjustments.
L
So,
but
these
are
projects
that
one
of
our
team
members
went
back
and
took
a
look
at
some
just
pulled
some
projects
that
we
had
looked
at
in
the
last
year
or
so
and
took
a
look
at
what
category
they
are
the
age
of
the
property.
The
category
is
kind
of
the
ranking
of
their
their
level
of
contribution
to
the
historic
nature
of
the
neighborhood
in
the
district.
L
So
we
feel
very
comfortable
as
staff
that
the
these
policy
changes
are
something
that
the
board
is
going
to
embrace
and
adopt
and
with
the
policy
change.
Every
one
of
these
projects
based
on
what
was
submitted
would
have
the
ability
to
move
forward
with
their
effort
at
a
staff
level
without
needing
to
go
to
the
board,
to
request
demolition
of
that
historic
element
or
character
defining
feature.
L
But
if
I
were
to
have
an
Ask
of
this
committee,
it
would
be
that
we
get
kind
of
the
go-ahead
to
get
this
on
a
board
agenda
for
the
bar
L
and
S,
so
that
we
can
get
them
discussing
it
and
ideally
adopted.
So
we
can
get
this
level
of
relief
out
to
the
folks
north
of
line
and
then
again
continue
to
look
at
it
going
forward
and
look
for
opportunities
to
improve
it
further.
So
with
that,
Mr
chairman
I
will
end
my
my
comments.
Quick.
K
L
B
B
Yes,
so
just
walk
me
through
from
a
practical
sense.
She
she
was
denied
the
window
and
was
forced
to
repair
the
windows
which
she
ended
up
I
mean
she.
She
has
some
some
resources.
She
ended
up
spending
a
lot
of
money
on
those
repairs,
you're
saying
that
the
policy
was
enacted
today,
she
would
be
allowed
to
replace
those
windows
with
new
wood
windows.
L
Yes,
she
would
be
able
to
replace
with
the
single
glazed
wood
windows
or
steel
windows
with
new
insulation
and
cladding
is
provided
that
they
simulated
the
that
divided
light
window
to
match
the
original
pattern.
Yes,
but
we
would,
she
would
have
options
so,
instead
of
just
a
pure
repair
of
the
existing
one
and
I
guess,
I
want
to
be
very
clear
and
so
that
every
everyone
listening
at
home
on
our
our
preservation
groups,
our
department
stance-
is
always
going
to
be.
L
If
you're,
in
a
historic
property
we
want,
we
would
love
to
see
repair,
but
we
know
that's
not
always
possible,
which
is
why
we're
proposing
this.
But
yes,
in
her
case,
she
would
have
We
Believe
from
the
documentation
that
we
still
have
on
file
that
she
would
have
had
under
this
policy.
She
would
have
had
two
alternative
options
in
a
replacement
strategy
versus
a
repair
strategy
for
those
windows.
Okay,.
B
L
That's
what
we're
working
on,
sir?
We
don't
we
don't
have
that
exact
information.
Unfortunately,
manufacturers
don't
publish
that
on
their
their
website,
so
we're
trying
to
work
with
some
contractors
who
do
this
work
to
try
to
get
that,
but,
as
I
said,
trying
to
get
them
to
give
us
some
numbers
when
we
don't
have
a
project
potentially
that
they
would
be
bidding
on,
has
proved
a
little
bit
more
difficult
than
we
would
have
thought.
Okay,.
B
Yeah
I'm
just
trying
to
compare
apples
to
apples
if
she
ended
up
spending.
You
know
four
thousand
dollars
on
a
repair
of
the
window
and
windows
cost
thirty,
five
hundred
or
three
thousand.
That's
that's,
certainly
not
an
affordable
option.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
folks
have
an
affordable
option
that
still
maintains
the
character.
The
preservation
of
the
house-
certainly
not
a
vinyl
window,
something
that
you
know
garish,
but
something
that
maintains
that
that
that
historic,
look,
the
other
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention.
B
B
L
So
I
don't
know
it
specifically.
We
did
talk
Wednesday
morning
because
I
I
knew
obviously
the
Saint
Margaret
property,
because
we've
talked
about
that
quite
a
bit,
but
I
wasn't
as
familiar
with
the
the
young
woman
who's
working
on
that
other
project.
My
understanding
is,
she
had
previously
looked
at
maybe
a
couple
different
projects,
our
properties,
that
she
was
potentially
going
to
propose
some
kind
of
affordable
project,
but,
to
my
knowledge,
those
didn't
end
up
going
anywhere.
They
they
stopped
at
the
conversation
level.
They
never
actually
got
to.
G
Mean
she
met
council
member
saccharin
April
is
working
with
Mr
Edwards,
who
is
attempting
to
renovate
51
Poinsett
Street,
it's
a
family
property,
so
I
don't
know
that
they
have
I
think
they
have
at
this
point
only
on
the
staff.
Robert
I,
don't
recall
if
they've
actually
been
presented
to
a
board.
Yet
yeah.
B
L
They
wanted
to
do
a
full
demolition.
Yes,
not
a
modification
that
my
understanding
of
what
we've
been
presented
with
again
at
just
a
conversation
level
without
exactly
plans,
was
that
the
request
that
they
they
were
planning
to
make
was
for
full
Demolition
and
they
were
going
to
propose
some
alternative
building
methods.
I
got
some
new
new
kind
of
housing
there,
but
at
least
as
of
that
conversation,
everything
wasn't
fully
baked.
If
you
would
on
what
that
might
look
like.
B
I
I
will
follow
back
up
with
her,
but
I
guess
in
terms
of
next
steps.
I
know
you
you
all
are
eager
to
get
this
to
to
bar,
but
you
know
I,
based
on
the
comments
I
heard
on
Tuesday
night.
You
know,
councilman
Waring
is
not
here,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
him.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
policy
is
tweaked
and
it
is
flexible
for
residents
and
I'm
not
sure
we're
there.
Yet
so
I
I'm
gonna,
be
honest.
L
I
understood
we
well
I
mean
and
we'll
continue
to
try
to
get
those
numbers
so
that
we
can
prices
it's
our
belief,
although
again
we
don't
have
the
numbers
that
these
options
do
provide
some
some
different
price
points
in
order
to
still
accomplish
the
the
goal
of
maintaining
the
historic
character
of
the
the
neighborhood,
but
again
I,
don't
have
the
that's
anecdotal.
I,
don't
have
the
the
the
numbers
at
this
point
to
be
able
to
prove
that
out.
So.
G
F
F
F
C
I
know
we're
impressed
for
time,
but
maybe
there's
just
a
way.
We
can
have
some
sort
of
like
financial
hardship
waiver
process
in
here
where
you
can
come
to
the
City
of
Charleston
and
say
you
know,
I
have
a
lot
of
money.
I
can't
handle
this.
Maybe
that's
a
way
we
can
help
prevent
some
of
the
worst
outcomes
in
these
situations.
Just
a.
L
Thought
and
and
councilman,
so
that
is
in
the
latest
version
of
the
the
policy.
We
worked
very
closely
with
legal
on
how
to
create
a
not
just
a
financial
hardship
element,
but
also
a
legacy
property
owner
element
to
this,
and
then
you
know,
Gianna's
got
a
whole
team
that
works
on
then
helping
folks
with
grants
and
and
in
Partnership
I
think
is
with
hcf
correct
Tiana.
So
so
we
are
again
we,
the
city
in
you,
know
the
team
on
this
call.
C
K
Mr
chairman,
just
you
know,
yeah
go
back
to
councilman
and
pal
I.
Think
a
prime
example
of
this
is
the
most
recent
project
that
giannon
did
on
Alexander
Street.
That
was
a
hardship
situation.
That
was
a
property
that
was
generational,
but
when
Gianna
and
her
folks
got
involved,
we
were
able
to
provide
an
affordable
opportunity
and,
at
the
same
time
protecting
Legacy
but
also
protecting
architectural
Integrity.
K
So
if
you
want
to
see
an
example
of
what
we're
talking
about
it's
right
next
to
the
Susie
Jackson
Freedom
Garden,
that
company
has
done
an
unbelievable
job
on
restoring
it,
keeping
it
a
legacy
project
but
also
making
it
affordable
to
the
to
the
to
the
current
owners.
Who've
owned
it
for
probably
80
90
years,
so
it
is
happening.
Councilman,
appal,.
B
Can
I
have
one
more
comment
and
then
so
I
guess
for
for
Mr
Summerfield
in
terms
of
what's
next
I
mean
I,
I,
guess
I'm
I'm
not
comfortable
until
I
see
some
of
those
costs
for
some
of
the
materials
that
we
are
going
to
be
suggesting
as
Alternatives
and
councilman
Gregory
I
would
just
respectfully
disagree.
Not
everyone
has.
The
ability
to
reach
out
to
Gianna
has
the
resources
to
reach
out
to
Gianna.
We
should
people
should
be
able
to
just
go
through
the
process
and
it
should
be
a
seamless
process.
B
B
That's
part
of
The
Challenge
on
the
front
end
is
the
process
has
been
so
painful
and
so
complicated
that
we
see
it
all
across
north
of
line
Street,
where
people
just
circumvent
the
system
and
actually
negate
any
of
the
bars
preservation,
thoughts
and
and
do
what
they
want,
because
they
they
just
basically
go
around
the
process,
so
I'm
not
for
I'm
trying
to
get
people
to
follow
the
process,
but
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
for
them
to
to
follow
that
process.
Let's.
B
I
would
respectfully
ask
maybe
bring
this
back
to
the
next
CD
committee
meeting
with
some
costs,
so
we
can
actually
see
what
those
costs
are
and
then,
at
that
point,
they're
going
to
be
more
comfortable
and
I
do
appreciate
everything
you
all
done,
including
the
amount
my
piece
in
the
generational
piece
that
component
that
you've
all
added.
Thank
you,
hello.
E
J
I,
don't
guess
there's
any
way,
Jason
with
that
councilmember
Sacrament
with
that
information
provided
if
it's
satisfactory,
we
could
go
ahead
and
take
this
wherever
it
needs
to
go
without
having
to
come
back
to
committee.
I,
just
I
do
feel
some
some
some
pressure
to
move
this
thing
forward.
We've
heard
so
many
comments
from
our
citizens
and
certainly
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from.
J
But
if
we
can
just
satisfy
that
objection,
I
I
would
like
to
move
this
along
as
quickly
as
possible,
and
you
know
there's
somebody
else
out
there
waiting
to
replace
their
roof
for
Windows
who
it
could
be
helpful
to
and
I've
been
in
that
boat
before
it
happened
to
me
in
1995,
when
I
redid,
a
house
on
Moultrie
Street,
myself
and
I,
had
to
deal
with
this
issue.
So
I
I
would
just
like
to
resolve
it
as
quickly
as
we
can.
B
Mayor
I'm,
fine
with
moving
it
forward,
but
I
guess
when
I
get
information
back
about
the
costs-
and
you
know
simultaneously,
Mr
Summerfield
is
bringing
it
to
bar
and
they
and
they
look
through
it
and
they
maybe
they
approve
it
or
they've,
got
some
tweaks
and
stuff.
I
just
want
to
hold
up
the
process
at
that
point,
so
I'm
fine
moving
it
Forward
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
all
know
that
once
I
get
those
numbers
back,
I'm
going
to
really
dig
into
them
to
see
if
they
they
certainly
are
affordable
right
right.
E
E
E
G
E
And
councilman
cycle
we
also
have
with
the
RPC
commission,
and
that's
would
be
you-
do
a
substantial
repair
on
homes
and
you
know
doing
up
to
eighty
eighty
thousand
dollars
we
give
with
substantial
repair
and
we
do
roof
replacement
and
all
that
through
the
RPC
commission,
which
is
probably
going
on
right
now.
I
believe
and
I'm
supposed
to
be
there
but
I'm.
Not,
but
that's
one
of
the
Committees,
the
city
have
that
be
a
have,
helped
a
whole
lot
of
people
who
would
need
repairing
even
with
roof
and
everything
else.
E
You
know-
and
they
got
some
good
figures
through
that.
So
that's
one
thing
that
people
need
to
look
at
it
and
start
reading
what
the
city
have
and
what
the
city
is
on
can
help
them
with,
with
all
these
type
of
group,
repairs,
window,
repairs
and
things
like
that.
So
we
have
these
programs
in
place.
If
they
don't
utilize
it,
then
you
know
it's
really
up
to
them.
But
we'll
move
right
on
to.
K
E
L
Me
as
well,
please
thank
you
and
so
Mr
chairman
just
one
final
word.
If
I
may
thank
you,
councilman
zacharin
for
your
motion
and
then
I
will
make
sure
that
every
member
of
the
CD
committee
or
or
council
is
just
aware
of
when
that
bar
meeting
will
be
so
if
they
have
an
interest
in
hearing
that
discussion,
we
are
actually
looking
to
do
that
as
a
special
joint
meeting
between
the
two
bar
boards.
L
So
we'll
have
to
schedule
that
now
that
we
have
this
motion
from
the
committee
and
we
will,
we
will
make
sure
that
information
is
available
to
you
at
the
very
minimum
this
committee
and
we
can
make
it
available
to
all
members
of
the
the
council
who
may
have
an
interest
in
just
that
deliberation.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
G
I
K
I
mean
okay,
okay,
a
what
you
start,
but
I
mean
233,
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
get
additional
revenues
as
long
and
those
revenues
are
not
not
restricted
anymore,
that
they
can
and
be.
They
can
in
fact,
be
an
area
of
benefit
and
we
just
wanted
Julia
from
a
legal
perspective
to
give
us
some
sense
of
whether
or
not
this
is
something
that
is
youthful
in
that
regard.
I
Now
that
this
bill
has
been
signed
by
the
governor,
which
essentially
takes
us
back
to
do
an
error
where
we
can
actually
Implement
these
fees
as
long
as
there's
a
rational
Nexus
associated
with
the
use
that
we
put
it
toward
meaning
the
person
that
pays
the
fee
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
have
their
own
personal
use
of
the
road
so
to
speak,
but
as
long
as
everyone
drives
on
the
road.
As
long
as
that
person
drives
on
the
road,
then
the
fee
is
acceptable.
I
So
it's
a
little
less
restrictive
than
it
used
to
be
I'm.
Sure
councilman
Appel
can
say
that
much
more
eloquently
than
I
can
right
now,
so
I
apologize
I'm
on
the
road,
but
I
think
one
of
the
big
things
that
came
out
of
that
discussion
was
this
idea
of
council
ascending
to
the
various
department
heads
the
task
of
brainstorming
and
coming
up
with
various
ideas
about
how
we
could
implement
this
fee
in
a
way
that
would
benefit
the
city
and
the
varying
departments
and
I
personally
thought.
I
K
I
Right
and
I
think
with
the
linkage
fee.
It's
actually
a
really
cool
idea,
it's
being
implemented
right
now,
I
believe
in
Detroit
and
in
California
I,
don't
think
anyone's
implementing
that
currently
in
the
state.
Just
because
of
the
current
right
now
we
have
some
AG
opinions
that
are
very
specific
about
what
we
can
do
for
affordable
housing.
K
So
you
know
why
just
allow
folks
to
build
and
not
participate
in
providing
opportunities
for
the
employee
I
mean
for
me.
Maybe
it
was
simplifying
it,
but
that
was
the
rationale
that
we
used
and
the
task
force
that
the
mayor
headed
and
we
all
came
to
a
conclusion
to
put
such
on
Hotel
development.
I,
don't
know
how
much
money
we've
gotten
so
far.
K
C
Oh,
that's
a
dangerous
question:
oh
you're,
right
I,
know
I
mean
you,
you
brought
it
on
yourself,
so
you
can't
blame
me.
I
tell
you.
This
is
almost
like.
I
wrote
this
agenda
today,
there's
so
much
so
many
good
things
on
this
agenda
today.
I
can
hardly
contain
myself,
but
you
know
this
legislation
has
actually
act
236.
C
When
we
started
talking
about
it,
it
was
still
a
just
an
old
bill,
but
but
now
it's
an
active
South,
Carolina
general
fund
assembly,
it's
been
signed
into
law
and
Julia
did
a
good
job
of
explaining.
What
this
does
this.
This,
in
my
view,
is
one
of
the
most
Pro
home
rule
pieces
of
legislation
that
the
general
assembly
has
adopted
with
respect
to
local
government
revenue
in
in
quite
some
time,
maybe
maybe
decades,
and
what
it
does
is
it
just
it
loosens
the
Nexus
requirement
for
service
and
user
groups.
C
He
had
to
be
in
return
for
a
specific
individualized
benefit
that
that
payroll
got
so
there
couldn't
be
any
spillover
benefits
to
the
general
public.
It
had
to
just
be
a
one-to-one
I'm,
paying
for
something
and
I'm
getting
something
unique
to
me
in
return,
and
the
amount
of
that
fee
had
to
be
tailored
to
precisely
the
cost
of
what
it
cost
the
government
to
provide.
That
service.
C
It
was
because
the
City
of
Charleston
was
doing
a
very
good
job
of
following
the
law
as
it
existed
before
aptitude
37..
Now,
with
that
236
in
place,
local
governments
have
a
lot
more
flexibility
when
it
comes
to
setting
these
schemes
and
and
using
that
fee,
Revenue
and
I
agree
that
you
know.
Councilman
Gregory's
raised
a
lot
of
good
ideas
over
this
affordable
housing.
You
know
component,
you
know
this
is
a.
This
is
sort
of
the
new
area
of
the
law
here
in
South.
C
C
Let
him
know
how
the
system
is
going
to
work.
What
our
thought
process
is
how
we
articulate
the
service
and
the
benefit
that
the
fee
payroll
is
getting
I.
Think
that's
going
to
be
a
key
element
to
satisfying
this
sort
of
legal
test
and
and
let's
see
what
he
says-
I
think
that
would
be
a
prudent
Next
Step
on
the
idea
that
councilman
Gregory
is
put
forward,
but
but
more
broadly,
we
spoke
about
this
yesterday
in
budget
ad
hoc.
C
C
You
know
the
best
city
that
we
can
from
a
resources
standpoint,
and
it
doesn't
mean
taking
advantage
of
anybody-
or
you
know
doing
anything
like
that.
But
it's
about
you
know
doing
what
we
need
to
do
to
fund
the
city
and
provide
the
level
of
service
that
our
services
has
done,
demand
and
required,
and
so
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
spoken
about
about
this
legislation.
We've
had
a
lot
of
very
interesting
meetings
about
it.
C
I
understand
that
Amy
has
already
been
working
on
kind
of
going
into
Market
by
Department
to
come
up
with
the
current
key
schedules
and
some
ideas
of
where
we
can
make
to
existing
these
structures
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
about
that.
But
there
really
is
the
opportunity
to
come
up
with
completely
new
and
intensive
beats
and
ideas,
Revenue
generation,
along
the
lines
that
councilman
Gregory
pointed
out.
C
You
know
the
legislation
that
the
Supreme
Court
decision
that
kicked
off
this
legislation,
I
won't
get
into
the
leads
on
it,
but
let
the
Supreme
Court
case
was
about
road
maintenance.
Speed
at
Greenville
County
was
imposing
Supreme
Court
shrunken
down
this
new
law,
overturns
that
Supreme
Court
case
words
to
allow
those
Road
fees
that
were
previously
imposed
and
struck
down.
So
City
of
Charleston
could
impose
a
road
maintenance
fee.
You
could
draw
a
line
around
John's
Island
and
call
call
it
John's,
Island
Road
maintenance.
C
Everybody
pays
10
bucks
a
year
on
their
property
tax
bill.
It
goes
into
a
separate
fund
and
it
funds
road
projects
on
John's,
hot
or
it
funds
aiming
or
other
kinds
of
things
we
can
talk
about.
We
don't
have
dead
revenue,
streams
or
road
maintenance.
We
could
have
one
if
we
wanted
to
just
throwing
that
out
is
one
idea.
Yesterday
we
talked
about
Road,
you
know,
beautification
means,
or
you
know,
basic
proswork
is
talking
about
how
his
department
is
suffering
from.
You
know
a
lack
of
resources
and
things
of
that
nature.
C
So
we're
doing
the
right
thing,
we're
not
getting
in
trouble
and
I.
Think
that
pitching
council
member
Mercury's
idea
to
the
Bernie
General
is
a
great
next
step
to
sort
of
evaluate
whether
whether
this
is
something
that
they
can
work
or
not.
So
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
talk
on
this
I
think
it's
a
great
conversation
to
have
and
let's
keep.
Let's
keep
going.
Okay.
E
G
Is
disgusting
council
member
Mitchell
after
our
last
meeting
of
the
CD
committee
council,
members
I
believe
Sacramento
wanted
Clarity
from
our
chief
building
official
and
our
fire
marshal
regarding
what
constituted
public
nuisance
and
buildings.
We
have
with
us
this
afternoon:
Kim
Granada
who's,
our
chief
building,
official
and
Mike
jalozzada,
who
is
our
fire
marshal
to
give
just
Clarity
on
the
rules
surrounding
those
two
codes
for
the
benefit
of
the
city
Committee
of
city
council,
and
to
advance
your
understanding
of
those
processes?
E
M
You
can
proceed
yes,
ma'am
Ken
Granada,
thank
you
to
all
in
the
community
for
allowing
us
to
elaborate
a
bit
more
about
this
issue
as
the
building
official
I
come
into
play
when
the
building
becomes
a
public
nuisance
regarding
Public
Safety.
So
when
the
building
has
been
brought
to
my
attention
or
ReDiscover
it
that
it
is
a
a
danger
to
surrounding
Properties
or
to
the
public
via
the
public
right
away.
M
Essentially,
we
we
go
ahead
and
and
either
ask
the
building
owner
to
have
a
structural
engineer,
assess
and
analyze.
The
building
its
stability
is
is
what
I'm
looking
for
the
structural
stability
of
the
building
is
my
focus
and
and
whether
the
building
is
in
a
state
of
active
collapse
and
whether
the
building
can
be
safely
stabilized.
M
And
what
that
looks
like
is
is
my
role
in
in
that
process.
I
I
am,
as
as
the
building
official
the
city's
building
official
we're
really
at
the
at
a
stage
we
don't
like
to
to
be
in
when
we
have
to
make
calls
and
orders
for
buildings
to
come
down.
Usually,
these
are
historic
buildings
that
that
would
fall
under
the
quote-unquote
demolition
by
neglect.