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Committee on Community Development Committee on Public Works and Utilities Joint Meeting 3/25/2021
C
F
H
C
All
right!
Well,
mr
chairman,
I
mean
joint
chairman
here
what
we
call
this
meeting
to
order
who's
going
to
lead
off
on
this
one.
C
F
C
Let's
call
the
meeting
the
order
and
I'm
gonna
ask
councilman
gregory
to
bring
a
few
words.
E
C
Number
one
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
taking
the
extra
time,
and
I
know
how
time
is
pressed
for
all
of
us
for
all
of
us,
including
myself,
to
learn
more
about
how
these
tif
districts
work.
It's
it's
a
complicated
subject,
but
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
all
of
us
got
our
thinking
caps
on
learn
from
the
past
and
hopefully
apply
it
to
what
we
have
to
do
going
forward.
C
Mayor
raleigh
had
a
wonderful
funding
formula
to
resurrect
the
peninsula
and
there
were,
I
think
at
least
five
tif
districts,
many
of
which
were
blighted
areas
not
blighted
today,
but
during
the
time
they
certainly
applied
those
areas
and
drew
those
maps.
Look
nothing
like
they
looked
today.
C
So
so
we've
got
examples
of
would
work
well,
which
ones
can
work
well
and
and
some
of
the
things
that's
causing
those
things
not
to
work.
Well
with
that,
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
amy,
so
she
can
kind
of
begin
to
walk
us
through
this.
C
C
A
You
know
I
have
between
midnight
and
6
a.m
available.
So
really
it's
okay,
it's
good,
just
some
basic
information
to
start
with,
because
I'm
not
sure
how
much
everyone
knows
about
tips,
but
they're,
really
special
tax
districts
around
targeted
redevelopment
areas
from
which
future
tax
revenues
are
captured,
to
finance
infrastructure
improvements
and
or
development,
most
tip
periods
last
between
20
and
30
years,
and
they
can
only
be
used
and
neighborhoods
officially
designated
as
blighted
and
once
a
district
is
designated.
A
A
Okay
and
then,
if
it's
working
as
an
intent
as
intended,
the
proper
values
will
increase
and
over
that
period,
due
to
the
infrastructure
upgrades
and
the
property
owners
will
be
contributing
more
in
taxes.
F
A
F
I
F
A
A
The
property
has
to
be
publicly
owned
in
order
to
invest
funds,
but
with
the
exception
of
affordable
housing
projects,
but
it
has
to
be
for
below
80
80
median
income
and
then
we're
limited
to
spending
to
funds
within
the
tif
district.
Unless
the
council
meets
a
specific
finding
that
spending
tip
funds
outside
the
tips
district
will
benefit
the
tif
district
and
that's
done
by
ordinance
resolution
and
one
example
I
could
give
you
is
the
affordable
housing
parcel
for
the
low-lying
section.
We
did
an
ordinance
or
resolution.
I
can't
remember
which
way
it
went
in.
C
E
A
This
is
just
basic
information.
Overlapping
tax
entities
that
can
contribute
to
the
tif
is
county
of
charleston,
which
includes
the
parks
and
recreation
and
trident
tech,
the
school
district
and
the
school
district.
They
don't
have
to
contribute,
they
elect
to
contribute,
and
so
this
is
basically
their
2020
millage
rates
in
our
military
as
well.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
much
of
those
overlapping
taxing
entities
contribute
to
the
tif,
and
so
you
can
see
how
important
it
is
for
the
school
district
to
to
contribute
to
the
tiff
any
questions
on
that.
A
Okay,
so
borrowings
and
revenue
connection
production.
Sorry,
the
banks
will
look
at
the
most
recent
assessed
values
from
the
county
when
they're
determining
their
mouthful
loan.
Us
they
really
don't
consider
projected
revenues
for
future
years
unless
they'll
look
at
it
a
little
bit
just
based
on
natural
growth,
but
they
won't.
They
won't
look
at
anything
in
terms
of
what
properties
might
be
coming
online
and
all
that,
because
all
of
that
is
uncertain.
A
They'll
just
look
at
natural
growth.
We
right
in
finance.
We
do
revenue
productions
for
the
king
street
gateway
tip,
because
all
of
those
projects
right
now
are
on
a
pay-as-you-go
basis
because
we're
towards
the
end
of
the
tiff,
and
we
wouldn't
do
any
more
borrowings
and
a
butt,
and
we
would
just
do
pants.
You
go
above
whatever
we
have
to
pay
for
the
remaining
debt
payments
on
that
on
the.
J
A
That
we
have
for
the
king
street
gateway
tiff,
we
base
it
on
natural
growth
and
we're
always
very
conservative
and
not
just
to
determine
the
amount
we
would
have
for
future
projects
and
we'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more.
When
we
talk
about
the
king
street
gateway
tiff,
we
have
not
projected
out
revenue
for
the
remaining
tips
because,
like
I
said
we'll
do
borrowings
on
those
and
it's
always
based
on
the
race
and
assessed
values.
A
That's
what
bank
always
goes
by
and
once
they
come
close
to
maturity,
where
we'll
have
complete,
we'll
be
able
to
complete
projects
on
a
pay-as-you-go
basis.
That's
when
we'll
start,
projecting
revenues
out
just
to
make
sure
and,
like
I
said,
we're
always
very
conservative
to
see
what
projects
we
might
be
able
to
fit
in
and
that
we're
not
over
extending
that
the
tip
based
on
what
we're
projecting
revenues
on,
because
we
wouldn't
want
to
add
more
projects
than
we
think
we
can
handle
for
that
tip.
C
So
amy
before
you
leave
that
point
when
we
go
to
the
bank,
our
money
at
that
point
is
that
when
the
tif,
when
we
really
get
an
actual
accurate
value
of,
obviously
what
can
be
borrowed
versus
what's
been
estimated.
A
Yes,
so
I
can
give
you
an
example:
we
went
out,
we
were
going,
we
were
considering
doing
a
a
tiff
for
or
I'm
sorry
stef
I
bond
for
the
charleston
back
tiff
at
the
end
of
the
year,
and
I
think
the
developer
for
that's
associated
with
that
thought.
We
could
do
maybe
around
10
million
or
so
we
went
to
the
bank,
they
only
they
said
we
can
only
borrow
seven.
So
it's
always
based
on
what
what
the
bank
says.
We
can
borrow.
I
Mr
chairman
amy,
when
you
say
bank
and
borrow
you
you're
really
talking
about
the
bond
issuer,
correct
right,
that's
correct!
Yes,.
A
A
E
A
So
the
first
this
and
then
this
is
a
map
of
all
of
the
tif
districts
together.
So
the
up
here
in
this
corner
here,
that's
the
church,
creek
drainage,
tiff.
We
have
the
west
ashley
tiff
right
here,
the
magnolia
tiff
the
morrison
drive.
Is
this
gorgeous
yellow?
This
was
the
waterfront
park,
tiff,
which
is
ended.
A
J
A
A
And
just
to
let
you
know
we
never
received,
the
current
will
receive
current
assessed
value
equal
as
assessed
values
from
the
county,
probably
the
end
of
april,
beginning
of
may
so
I
just
don't
have
2020s
numbers.
Yet
these
are
examples
of
projects
that
we
completed
with
the
king
street
gateway
tiff.
You
see
charlotte
street
park
spring
canyon
street,
escape
the
gilly
art
center
leminger
a
lot
for
september
clark
and
the
loveline.
It's
the
purchase
of
the
property
for
the
little
line.
D
Hey
I'm
amy
to
give
us
sort
of
a
point
of
reference.
What
was
our
total
contribution
for
the
renovation
of
the
gill
yard
center?
You
know.
A
We
the
total
contribution,
so
we
have
this.
The
we
did
a
32
million
dollar
bond
that
we
paid
for
out
of
we
paid
for
that
out
of
this
as
well
as
this
34
million
dollar
contribution.
A
D
D
Well,
I
just
want
to
point
that
out,
because
that
just
shows
the
value
of
the
tiff
when
you
get
a
project
just
of
that
alone,
how
much
money
the
tiff
captured
and
look
where
look,
what
it
did
in
doing.
C
A
Over
a
million
dollars,
but
we
did
some
other
smaller
projects
as
well
and
then
this
is
the
history
of
the
assessed
values
and
related
revenue.
So
you
can
see-
and
you
know
that
was
the
initial
we're
at
85
million
and
the
associated
revenue
with
that
85
million
in
equalized
assessed
value.
Was
we
received
8.8
million
dollars
in
2019.
A
And
so
much
of
this
tip
is
pledged
for
the
september
clark
drainage
project.
We
are
projecting
by
the
end
of
the
tiff
in
2023,
we'll
prob.
We
could
have
a
10
million
dollar
surplus.
A
However,
we're
not
really
allocating
any
other
projects
right
now,
because
we
do
not
have
the
final
construction
cost
for
phase
five
of
the
september
clark
project.
It's
currently
we're
finalizing
the
phase
five
design
and
we'll
have
a
better
cost
estimate
in
a
year
or
so,
and
a
better
bid
cost
by
the
end
of
2022.
So
we're
just
being
very
conservative
and
cautious
because,
as
we
all
know,
construction
costs
go
higher
and
higher
every
year
and
there
is
outstanding
debt
from
the
we
have
borrowed.
C
A
I
A
I
Us
right
so
so,
if
let's,
let's
assume
best
case,
we
keep,
you
know
we
haven't,
we
haven't
obligated
close
to
that
10
million.
Can
we
start
a
project
and
not
finish
it?
We
have
to
finish
it
by
23.
right.
A
I
J
It
needs
to
be
budgeted,
councilwoman
jackson,
not
not
spent,
so
as
long
as
the
final
budget's
been
approved
spending
it.
You
do
have
some
time
after
that.
H
Hey
amy,
I
do
have
a
question
as
well:
the
school
district
and
the
relationship
with
the
tiffs.
What
what
would
be
in
their
benefit
to
participate
in
the
tip.
Aren't
they
foregoing
tax
revenues
if
they
participate
in
the
tif.
A
A
C
A
Like
a
long,
you
got
to
look
at
it
long
term,
not
immediate
what
you
will
get
now
and,
like
I
said,
we'll
still
get
the
base
property
tax
value.
So
you
won't.
You
won't
miss
out
on
the
on
the
taxes
you
have
already
currently
been
getting.
You'll
still
get
that
over
the
top
period
of
the
tip
you
just
won't
get
the
increment.
H
Gotcha
and
it's
up
to
the
district
to
to
decide
based
on
each
tip
and
they
can
back
out
at
any
point.
C
You're
welcome
amy.
Let
me
interrupt
that's
one
good
point:
councilman
sacha,
in
that,
if
the,
if
the
blighted
area
stayed
blighted,
then
tax
revenues
won't
grow,
so
the
school
district
has
really
no
way
to
grow
their
tax
base.
C
That's
a
fact
point
that
the
mayor
tried
to
push
over
when
we
tried
to
do
the
west
ashley
tiffs
and
it
fell
on
heirs
that,
frankly,
really
didn't
know
how
tiff
works.
If
you
say
well,
obviously,
school
needs
money.
How
do
they
put
growth
component
into
written
into
their
revenue
stream?
Now,
when
this
tif
matures
say
in
2023
this,
you
didn't
you're
not
ready
for
this
question,
but
they're
gonna
get
a
windfall
right.
Amy
I
mean
yeah.
A
B
So,
council,
member
sacramento,
I
may
chime
in
when
the
gateway
was
initially
started
in
1993
or
what,
whenever
the
the
school
board
did
participate?
What
happened
when
the
city
went
back
and
asked
for
a
five
or
ten
year
extension
up
to
get
how
long
it
was
at
that
point.
Mayor
o'reilly
got
the
county
to
agree
to
the
extension,
but
this
the
school
district
did
not
agree
to
the
extension.
B
They
were
at
the
end
of
that
initial
window
that
they
they
could
not
have
pulled
out
at
any
time
they
had
to
at
least
stay
in
until
their
initial
agreement
period
was
over.
Now,
when
we
formed
a
new
one
recently,
they
wouldn't
even
agree
to
participate
from
the
get-go.
So
now
our
west
ashley
district
and
the
morrison
drive
district.
B
If
I'm
correct,
do
not
include
anything
past
well,
morrison
drive,
I
I
stand
correctly,
but
I
think
on
the
west
ashley
one
the
first
one
they
did
just
a
smaller
percentage
than
what
we
asked,
but
they
did
participate,
but
then
the
second
one
with
the
b
ferry
road
district,
they
did
not
participate
at
all.
If
I'm
correct,
that's.
A
It
was
amended
to
extend
it
by
another
10
years,
because
when
this
was
started
recession
hit
it
was
it
had
a
lot
of
problems
to
start
out
with
it
will
expire
in
2039
the
beginning,
equalized
assessed
value
was
5.6
million.
There
was
a
revised
just
for
property
values
and
adding
some
properties
to
7.7
million
and
as
of
12
31
2019,
it's
at
24.2
million.
A
This
this
tiff
has
a
public
infrastructure
improvement
agreement
with
h.r
charleston
llc.
So
all
those
all
of
the
tip
funds
are
used
to
pay
or
reimburse
for
public
infrastructure
costs
associated
with
hr
charleston
current
project
plans.
I
will
show
you
on
the
next
slide
and.
A
A
A
Bonds
outstanding
there's
we
had
a
12.1
million
bond
in
2013.
last
payment
for
that
bond
is
in
2026..
A
We
had
an
18
million
dollar
bond
in
2018
last
payment,
for
that
will
be
in
2034
and
in
2020
we
need
a
7.9
million
dollar
bond,
which
will
be
the
last
payment
is
in
2035
and
we
do
expect
to
do
another
borrowing
in
2021.
A
So
it
was,
it
was
repaying
hr,
the
the
highland
group
for
the
public
interest,
most
of
what
they're
doing
is
in
the
ground
right
now
for
environmental
remediation
and
all
of
that.
A
That
was
way
long
time
ago.
That's
not
included
in
any
of
these.
A
A
A
E
I
I
know
we
know
the
purpose
of
the
tiff
is
to
to
to
be
used
in
blighted
areas,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
My
question,
though,
is
how
many,
how
much
what
influence
does
the
tif
have
on
gentrification
of
those
areas,
particularly
if
we're
not
infusing
any
dollars
into
either?
I
mean
using
tif
dollars.
E
I'm
not
saying
that
community
development's
not
that
we're
not
taking
some
of
this
tif
dollars
to
not
just
deal
with
infrastructure,
but
to
also
sort
of
deal
with
the
preservation
of
affordability,
especially
with
some
of
the
properties
that
are
in
those
areas.
A
A
B
Councilmember,
if
I
may
chime
in
one
here
off
as
well,
could.
E
B
B
So
there
was
a
measure
that
passed
the
state
legislature
just
this
past
year
and
and
maybe
jeremy
has
a
better
description
of
this
than
I
do,
but
it
essentially
enabled
affordable
housing
to
be
a
tiff
eligible
expense
and
so
even
for
the
developer,
if
there's
a
a
non-profit
or
developer
that
has
covenants
for
affordable
housing
that
that's
definitive,
that
can
be
a
tif
eligible
expense.
Now,
when
I
think
before
last
year,
that
was
not
the
case
right.
J
That's
that's
correct,
mr
mayor
says
to
let
you
know
because
of
that
change.
It's
the
only
part
of
a
tif
project.
Now
that's
not
required
to
be
publicly
owned.
If
it's
for
affordable
housing,
it
can
be
privately
owned.
Based
on
that
80
test
that
amy
referenced
earlier,
that
is
new.
As
of
last
year,
you're
correct.
A
A
So
there's
one
bond
outstanding
that
I
mentioned:
that's
what
all
those
projects
were
allocated
to,
alas,
from
12
million
last
payment
is
in
2033
we're
planning
another
borrowing
in
2021,
estimating
around
10
to
12
million,
but
we'll
see
when
we
shop
it
with
the
with
the
banks,
and
then
we've
there's
been
discussion
with
the
cd
committee
as
to
some
potential
projects.
For
that
second
borrowing,
I
don't
believe
they've
been
completely
vetted
yet.
C
So
we
we
only
have
11
12
years
a
little
bit
less
than
12
years
ago
in
this
book.
That's
it
and
if
you
compare
the
revenue
that
will
probably
be
raised
out
of
this
and
you
compare
that
to
you
know
one
of
the
most
successful
ones
which
was
king
street.
A
I
don't
know
it's
doing,
you
know
the
last
few
years.
It's
been
doing
pretty
well,
so
hopefully
it
will
stay
on
that
path.
You
know
it's
661
percent
increase,
which
is
good.
The
last
few
years
have
been
really
really.
The
tip
has
been
doing
really
well.
A
A
I
I
would
think
this
might
be
where
we
do
a
lot
of
thoughtful
work
in
balancing
what
we
want
in
this
tip
compared
to
concerns
about
continuing
to
gentrify
a
long-standing
black
community.
So
I
I
I
celebrate
the
fact
that
we
can
have
the
affordable
housing
use
and
and
and
so
they
can't
all
be,
the
rock
stars
of
you-
know:
shopping
districts
and
tourist
districts
and
things
we
want
a
respectable
livability
neighborhood
and
I,
I
think
that's
what
cooper
river
is
going
to
be
known
for
it's
going
to
be
great.
On
that
basis,.
A
Okay,
the
next
is
the
horizon,
also
known
as
west
edge,
and
that's
the
map
of
in
purple
there
for
the
tip
district.
It
was
adopted
in
2008.
The
term
is
35
years
for
the
city
in
30
years
for
the
school
district
in
the
county,
it
was
amended
in
2014
to
extend
it,
and
so
we
send
it
to
2043
the
county
and
see
the
school
district
extended
to
2038.
A
A
A
A
C
A
H
A
Borrowing
will
be
used
to
repay
the
promissory
notes
outstanding
to
musc
foundation
and
the
city
of
charleston,
for
our
public
infrastructure
cost
contributions,
and
it
will
also
be
used
to
defray
the
cost
of
public
infrastructure
projects
in
phase
two.
These
two
include
scottsdale,
creek
and
and
its
related
drainage
improvements,
and
also
the
improvements
to
a
good
stream.
B
A
It
was
adopted
december
6
2016.
It
is
a
25-year
tip
for
the
city
and
20
years
for
the
county
and
the
school
district.
It
will
expire
in
2041
for
the
city
in
2036
for
the
school
district
in
the
county.
As
the
mayor
said,
the
school
district
is
only
contributing
45
percent
of
the
of
tax
revenues
to
the
district.
They
keep
55
beginning
of
the
10th
equalize
assessed
value
was
18.4
and
it's
19.9.
A
And
it's
grown
by
eight
percent.
Like
I
said
we
don't
have
revenue
numbers
and
the
initial
public
improvements
plan
were
new
public
spaces
and
parks,
streetscape,
civic
buildings,
cultural
facilities,
recreation,
sports
facilities,
transportation,
infrastructure
improvements,
parking
facilities
and
storm
water
infrastructure
improvements.
A
You
just
use
an
increment
to
borrow
money
to
further
the
tiff
and
then
at
the
end,
when,
when
it
gets
closer
to
the
end,
is
when
you
do
pay
as
a
go.
You
don't
do
pay
as
you
go
until
that
point
in
time,
because
you
want
to
you
want
to
leverage
as
much
as
you
can
to
invest
more
into
the
tif.
Does
that
make
sense.
A
You
don't
typically,
you
wouldn't
use
pay
as
you
go
for
these
tips
right
now.
You
can't
do
that
until
you
do
a
borrowing
and
then
all
the
revenue
that
is
all
the
increment
should
be
used
for
more
borrowings
to
invest
more
in
the
tif.
So
you
wouldn't
use
pay
as
you
go
until
the
end
of
a
tif
when
you
have
no
more
borrowings
and
the
tip
is
successful.
Does
that
make
sense.
D
A
And
then
we're
currently
working
with
developers
for
the
summary
street
property
on
a
double
up
development
agreement
as
well.
D
Which
is
that
property
is
owned
by
the
city?
It's
sort
of
interesting
we've
got
this
much
revenue
in
there
with
a
piece
of
property.
Valuable
piece
of
property
in
the
city
just
owned
by
the
city
does
not
pay
any
taxes
right
now,
that's
right
and
also
the
other
end
of
the
other
end
of
that
other
death
is
citadel
mall,
which
is,
of
course,
very
commercial,
but
still
it's
still
in
the
early
stages
of
the
redevelopment.
For
that
as
well,
I
mean
not.
Neither
one
of
these
tips
of
this
tiff
are
showing
its
full
potential.
D
Amino
the
question
that
councilmember
gregory
brought
about
whited
areas,
this
this
tif
is
very
much
commercial,
geographically
commercial
and
I
know
we'll
get
to
the
other
west,
actually
tiffany
in
a
second,
but
the
commercial
boundaries
of
a
tiff
obviously
produce
much
more
potential
than
a
non-commercial
area.
That's
not
a
rule
of
thumb.
Isn't
it.
D
Yeah
and
then
the
so
the
oxymoron
of
all
this
is
that
you've
got
to
show
a
blighted
area
which
we
do,
but
still
it's
it's
a
high
eel
producing
area.
At
the
same
time,
that's
that's
sort
of
the
inconsistency
with
it
and
I
think
I
don't
want
to
steal
council
mcgregory's
thought,
but
here
we
are
we're
taking
an
area,
that's
somewhat
economically
depressed,
turning
around
and
revitalizing
it
and
then
the
unfortunate
the
end
result
can
be
this
unification
that
he's
talking
about
you're
driving
at
prices
and
property
values.
D
C
Well,
that's
one
thing
before
leaving
that
amy
west
actually
remember
councilmember,
you
know
if
it's
a
big
if
the
developer
with
the
mall
does
build
out
those
apartments.
There's
gonna
be
right,
a
couple
of
hundred,
if
maybe
like,
between
two
and
three
hundred
affordable
units
to
be
built
there.
If
that
comes
to
pass
and
but
for
the
tiff,
that
probably
would
not
have
happened.
You
know.
So
if
it
does
happen
and.
J
C
Another
developer
were
to
flip
into
it.
That's
one
of
the
problems
with
tying
tiff
money
to
a
developer.
That,
in
my
opinion,
is
underfunded.
Okay,
I
said
that
y'all
didn't
say
that,
but
let's
go
by
and
let's
take
a
look
at
the
last
three
years.
C
What
happened
so
I'll
stand
up
to
that
I'll
be
happy
to
be
wrong
by
the
way,
but
when
you
tie
the
money
to
a
developer,
it
takes
flexibility
away
from
the
city,
but
potentially
take
some
of
those
proceeds
and
put
it
towards
suma
street,
for
example,
councilman
shahid.
So
and
then
this
is
another
example
that
the
mayor
alluded
to
where
the
school
district
councilman
sacrament.
I
think
they
only
participate
to
the
tune
of
45
versus
king
street.
C
They
were
all
in
100
percent,
so
it
makes
it
a
little
different
to
accumulate
money
amy,
my
area.
This
is
obviously
in
and
out
of
the
city.
So
when
that
map
comes
from
savannah
highway,
all
the
way
to
northbridge
right
areas,
that's
in
the
county
and
not
in
the
city,
if
a
hotel
was
the
built
there
be
built,
there
is
any
of
those
additional
taxes
come
into
the
city.
Tiff
will.
A
A
A
J
F
H
A
C
A
A
D
I
think
what
councilmember
waring
said
is
a
very
important
point
that
we
need
to
remember
about
how
this
tip
is
going
is
going
directly
to
impact
the
creation
of
affordable
and
workforce
housing
in
the
epic
center
and
that's
something
that's
a
wonderful
example
of
a
private
and
public
partnership
that
we're
doing
this
is,
and
we
probably
need
to
be
thinking
about
more
of
that
in
the
future,
because
that's
that
that's
a
that's
a
win-win-win-win-win
across
the
board
for
our
residents
and
the
developer
and
the
city
all
the
way
around
with
us.
D
I
would
I
would
I
would
have
subscribed
to
that
carol.
I
think,
because
I
think
that
we've
got
we're
all
working
on
good
faith
with
us
and
you
know
we're
still
working
diligently
on
the
sumo
street
project.
We
haven't
hit
gold,
yet
with
that.
F
C
C
G
Thanks
guys,
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
hijack
amy's
presentation
too
much,
but
guys.
I
I
think
it's
great,
that
the
legislature
amended
the
statute
to
allow
affordable
housing
to
be
built
with
tiff
dollars,
but
this
is
a
very
inefficient
way
to
go
about
trying
to
address
the
issue
of
affordable
housing.
I
just
have
to
say
and
provide
a
contrarian
view
here.
The
whole
point
of
the
tiff
is
for
property
values
to
skyrocket.
G
That
is
the
whole
goal.
That's
how
tiffs
work,
that's
how
they
have
money.
A
failed
tiff
is
when
property
values
don't
go
up,
so
you're
have
you're
in
this
situation,
where
property
values
are
going
up,
hopefully
by
a
lot
and
then
like
great.
We
can
do
50
units
here,
60
units
there
it
it's
just
it's
just
not
an
efficient
way
of
of
making
progress
on
the
issue.
It's
important.
Those
50
units
are
great.
Those
60
units
are
great.
G
G
Well,
I'm
not
gonna
go
down
that
rabbit
hole,
but
I
mean
property,
values
and
property
value.
Appreciation
is
core
to
this
whole
framework.
This
this
is
designed
to
address
slums
and
blighted
areas.
I
mean:
that's,
that's
the
idea
behind
tiff's
at
its
core.
Now
now
to
be
fair.
G
You
know
the
city
has
expanded
that
beyond
that
framework,
but
we
gotta
understand
here:
there
is
a
tension
in
this
and
council
member
gregory
has
put
his
finger
on
it,
but
you
know
we
got
to
be
clear
with
what
what
this
is
all
about,
and
you
all
know
my
thoughts
on
what
we
really
got
to
do
to
get
affordable
housing
under
control.
So
that's
for
another
day.
D
Yeah,
but
this
is
the
point
I
was
trying
to
make
with
this
contrary
view
that
we're
dealing
with
we're
trying
we're
addressing
lighted
areas
into
your
point
council.
Member
of
hell.
We
want
the
property
values
that
we're
capturing
to
be
high,
yield
property
values.
We
want
them
to
be
successful
in
in
non-blighted
property
values.
D
That's
so
here
we
are
we're
capturing
the
money
from
a
high
yield
property
to
help
a
blighted
area,
and
the
consequence
of
that
is
sometimes
that
we're
creating
a
problem
that
we
weren't
intending
to
create,
which
is
running
out
people,
that's
the
point,
and
then
councilman
warey's
point,
which
I
think
is
important
to
remember,
is
to
avoid
that
from
happening,
we're
dedicating
and
making
sure
that
we're
sending
that
money
to
a
project,
that's
going
to
address,
affordable,
workforce
housing.
D
C
Right,
well,
let
me
say
this
trying
to
keep
this
on
track.
I
think
that's
another
meeting.
We
need
to
get
together
and
work
on,
but
the
goal,
I
think,
would
be
in
the
guided
area
to
buy
land
before
the
appreciation
goes
up
in
a
residential
area
which
doesn't
hurt
the
tif
that
much.
But
my
last
question
on
wes
ashley
are
we
accounting
for
revenues?
That's
outside
the
epic
center's
footprint,
and
so
how
much
money
have
we
accumulated
in
the
areas
outside
is
obligated
to
the
development.
A
Council
member,
we
don't
have
revenue
numbers
yet
because
we
don't
have
the
borrowing,
but
the
assessed
value
here
is
for
the
whole
entire
tiff.
It
does
not.
I'm
just
saying
we
internally
are
going
to
have
to
we're
going
to
have
to
keep
track
of
those
parcels
ourselves,
but
whatever
numbers
I
show
you
will
be
the
full
tiff
numbers.
E
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
a
couple
of
things:
while
I
don't
disagree
with
councilman
ross
appel,
this
does
provide
us
with
an
alternate
alternative
source
of
funding
for
affordable
housing.
E
How
we
do
it
is
a
different
question,
but
in
addition
to
that
areas
that
we
consider
blighted
okay,
they
are
neighborhoods
with
people
who
have
backgrounds,
churches,
a
whole
bunch
of
social
issues
that
are
associated
with
it.
So
I
was
going
a
little
beyond
okay.
I
was
thinking
more
in
terms
of
if
we
can
attempt
to
even
resurrect
some
of
the
existing,
as
opposed
to
being
like
urban
renewal
carol,
and
you
just
tear
them
all
down.
Neighborhoods
people
and
everything's
gone.
A
Next
we
have
the
church
creek
tiff
was
adopted
in
this
and
on
december
4
2018.
It
is
a
25-year
tip,
it
will
expire
in
december
of
2043,
and
the
school
district
is
not
participating.
No
sorry
participating
at
all
in
this
tip
beginning
about
assess,
equalized
assessed,
value
is
3.3
million
and
it
is
5.4
as
of
1231
2019..
A
I
A
To
5.4
and
then
it's
grown
by
61
in
just
that
one
year
we
don't.
D
Is
mainly
made
up
of
residential
property,
correct.
B
It's
mostly
commercial.
It's
got
up
and
down
beach,
ferry
road
and
the
west
ashley
circle
and
the
future
extension
of
the
glenn
mcconnell,
which
will
have
some
some
commercial
as
well.
So
I
I
would
just
point
out,
based
on
some
comments,
made
that
that
most
every
district
is
is
focused
on
commercial
properties.
The
best
example
is,
is
the
cooper
river
bridge
district.
It
runs
up
and
down
huge
e
meeting.
B
It
does
come
over
to
east
bay
to
catch
the
cigar
factory
and
that
new
development
that
I
guess
was
in
the
being
planned
for
just
below
the
cigar
factory,
but
we
don't
haven't
typically
gone
and
picked
up
big
residential
neighborhoods
as
part
of
tiff
districts.
It
seems
like
the
only
one.
B
That's
that
that
broad
is,
is
the
magnolia
district
that
was
done
20
something
years
ago,
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
was
you
know
that
when
we
each
district
is
created,
it
meets
that
state
requirement
of
quote
blighted,
but
it
it
there's
10
different
measures.
I
think
that
you
have
to
meet
a
certain
number
of
them
and
even
church
creek
qualified
because
of
the
impact
of
flooding
on
the
district.
It
wasn't
that
beach
ferry
road
looked
like
a
slummy
blighted
area
right.
B
A
Okay,
so
next
is
morrison
drive
and
it's
very
new,
so
it
was
adopted
october
8,
2019,
it's
a
30-year
tif.
The
school
district
is
only
participating
until
2039
and
is
only
participating
with
respect
to
a
specific
to
specific
parcel
numbers,
and
those
were
the
parcels
that
came
out
of
the
magnolia
or
necktiff
into
morrison
drive.
A
So
I
can't
really
report
anything
out
because
it's
very
new
so
just
more
information
to
come
on
this
on
this
tiff
and
then
that
was
really
it
for
those
tips
and
then
just
some
notes
on
what
makes
the
tip
successful.
It's
private
investment
growth
of
a
tip
is
dependent
on
private
investments.
Example
is
a
waterfront
park.
Tiff
most
of
that
area
was
developed
by
private
investment.
The
condominium.
H
A
C
C
Any
questions
from
council
members
I.
D
I
just
want
to
echo
your
sentiments,
councilman
wearing
for
amy's
dedication
and
putting
this
together
and
explaining
to
us,
but
if
she
had-
and
I
just
think
that
one
of
the
things
you
can
show
amy
and
you
you
had
these
charts-
it's
just
the
incredible
benefit
that
we
we're
getting
out
of
out
of
this,
and
you
look
without
this
money
without
less
money
being
captured,
or
I
think
that
someone
said
intercepted
at
one
point
way
of
understanding
it,
but
we
would
not
look
at
what
we
were
able
to
do
to
accomplish
with
those
funds
and
what
we
could
not
have
been
able
to
accomplish
if
you're,
not
if
those
tips
have
not
been
created
by
prior
administrations
and
what
we're
doing
now
is
just
carrying
on
that
success.
D
I
hope
with
these
other
districts
coming
on
online.
This
is
just
this
is
a
huge
benefit
to
the
community.
It
really
is
having
50
million
dollars
allocated
to
the
september
clock.
Drainage
equipment
was
just
that's
a
big
number,
that's
just
we
couldn't
have
done.
We
could
not
have
done
that
drainage
improvement
without
that
money
being
available.
C
There's
five
years
worth
of
drainage
monies
right
there
and
the
flexibility
councilman
j.e
because
of
one
tied
to
an
ev
developer.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
mr
mayor,
we
dodged
the
bullet
unknowingly.
C
There
was
a
proposal
once
to
may
have
predated
you,
but
there
was
a
proposal
once
to
create
a
marion
square
type
park
up
around
where
the
u-haul
is
on
spring
street
and
king
street
and
back
around
columbus
street
and
the
monies
to
do
that.
Let's
call
it.
Some
15
million
was
going
to
come
out
of
the
king
street
tiff
fund.
Had
we
done
that
and
had
that
been
tied
to
the
u-haul
people
and
whoever
else
to
land
on
us
where
to
move
or
go
elsewhere.
C
C
It
was
a
hard
meeting,
but
I
would
say
this:
it
was
an
anonymous
vote
to
take
five
years.
At
least
five
years
could
have
been
six
five
years
of
all
the
drainage
money,
so
there
would
have
been
no
drainage
projects,
wes,
ashley,
james
allen
and
john
down
the
ones
we
kind
of
talk
about
now
with
mr
fountain.
C
We
couldn't
have
done
any
of
those,
because
all
the
dollars
were
going
to
be
committed
to
a
project
that
was
ongoing,
that
we
couldn't
just
stop,
which
was
with
you
know,
september
spring
burn
well
with
the
money
from
the
king
street
tiff.
You
know.
C
Obviously
the
city
and
the
council
voted
to
and
the
mayor
voted
to
appeal
to
the
infrastructure
bank
and
they
granted
that
22.5
million,
but
for
the
king
street
tiff
dollars,
we
would
not
be
doing
a
serious
drainage
project,
wes
ashley
for
the
next
five
years,
so
councilman
appel
the
burns
down
project
that
wouldn't
be
going
on
now.
Councilman
greg
central
park
road
wouldn't
be
going
on
right
now,
because
those
dollars
would
be
dedicated
to
spring
fish
burn.
Was
it
barbarian,
woods
or
whatever?
C
That
is
on
john's
island,
wouldn't
be
being
done
so
that
flexibility
and
well
infrastructure
is
a
beast
man.
We
all
know
that
I
was
you
know
paying
for
it,
but
these
tif
districts
have
been
big
winners
in
large
ways.
So
I
I
appreciate
so
much
mr
mayor,
allowing
this
to
be
done,
because
I
I
I
know
when
I
came
on
council,
I
would
love
to
have
something
like
this
done.
C
Okay,
so
the
way
of
spreading
information,
so
we
all
can
as
tiger
woods
that
come
with
our
a
game
when
these
dollars
come
forth,
the
best
practices
for
the
city
to
go
go
forward.
I
can't
thank
you
enough.
I
can't
thank
you
enough
amy
for
making
again
what
is
a
very.
C
I
wish
somebody
would
do
this
presentation
for
the
school
district,
because,
mr
mayor,
when
you
went
down
to
the
school
district,
to
try
to
get
the
full
participation
on
the
west
ashley
school
to
wes,
ashley
tiff,
I
went
with
you
and
I
spoke
with
michael
mike
smith.
You
know
who
was
on
there
at
the
time
he
asked
me,
I
said:
listen,
we
need
your
vote
man.
C
We
need
all
the
dollars
there,
so
we
can
fix
up
a
blighted
area,
and
this
is
what
a
long-term
member
of
the
school
district
the
board
told
me.
He
said
well,
if
we
need
a
daycare
center,
if
the
city
would
build
us
a
daycare
center
and
I'd
I'd
vote
for
this
full
participation,
I
said
mike:
do
you
realize
where
the
money
goes
from
a
tif?
It
goes
to
fix
the
drainage.
It
goes
to
make
the
streetscapes
pretty.
You
know
the
landscaping
and
the
sidewalks
and
the
bikeways.
C
It
encourages
the
ornamental
lighting
and
when
developers
see
things
like
that,
they
say
hey,
I
can
do
business
over
there
too,
and
when
we
get
additional
tax
revenue,
that's
what
we
pay
the
drainage,
that's
how
we
pay
off
the
drainage,
bonds
and
the
and
the
cost
of
making
the
streetscapes
and
bikeways
and
sidewalks
more
attractive
for
people
to
transfer.
You
could
tell
those
people
on
the
board
with
the
vote
had
no
idea.
They
thought
it
was
a
bevy
of
money
that
we
can
go
and
play
santa
claus
with,
or
something
like
that.
C
So,
but
I
think
this
moves
the
ball
forward.
A
lot
for
all
of
us,
I
hope
on
council,
so
thank
you
so
much,
mr
mayor,
for
allowing
this.
I
appreciate
all
the
council
members
because
we
we're
running
out
of
time.
Every
day
we
I
saw
in
the
paper
where
we
had
65
council
meetings
was
that
true
last
year
yeah,
but
I.
A
C
57
is
still
impressive
man,
so
anyway,
I
remember
when
it,
but
it
used
to
be
20,
20
23,
or
something
like
that
so
anyway,
but
thanks
again,
mr
man,
all
the
colleagues
on
council
for
for
this
and
any
questions.
Hopefully
you
can
push
this
out
well,
you
have
pushed
this
out
to
us
by
email
amy.
I.
B
So
thank
you
for
requesting
it
and
amy.
You
did
a
terrific
job
and-
and
she
mentioned
to
me
she
kind
of
has
this
now
like
a
template,
and
so
I
would
view
every
year
when
we
get
our
updated
numbers
from
the
county
that
informs
the
new
assessed
value
and
the
new
revenue
that
which
would
more
likely
be
in
the
middle
of
the
year
going
forward
because
we
don't
normally
get
the
information
from
them
until
april
or
may
so.
B
B
It
is
complicated
stuff,
so
it
it's
critical
to
to
our
funding
for
the
city
and
we're
really
blessed
that
we've
been
able
to
that
mayor,
riley
and
prior
councils,
and
we
we've
created
three
districts
since
since
I
got
elected
and
and
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
didn't
expect
us
to
get
even
three
set
up.
So
it's
it's
been,
it's
it's
a
critical
funding
mechanism
for
the
city,
very
important,
we'll
follow
it
every
year.
Thank
you.
C
H
Kel's
been
sacked,
yeah
thank
you
chairman
and
thank
you,
councilman
waring
for
and
for
doing
this
and
amy
for
getting
this
done.
It's
very
helpful
for
me
to
see
the
bigger
picture
of
especially
the
tiffs
in
the
relationship
with
the
school
district,
and
I
appreciate
that
that
background,
also,
if
councilman
gregory's
still
on
you
know
this
discussion
for
me
was
not
just
the
financial
piece,
but
you
know
I'm
having
offline
discussions
with
some
of
our
fellow
council
members
and
I'm
just
going
to
tag
on
to
to
what
councilman
appel
was
kind
of
alluding
to.
H
There
are
unintended
consequences
to
the
growth
and
prosperity
in
these
tiff
districts
and-
and
I
think
I
think
it's
important-
that
we
acknowledge
that
and
if
we
can
acknowledge
that
what
do
we
do
to
to
mitigate
some
of
some
of
those
unintended
consequences,
because
but
by
the
very
nature
of
the
tips
from
what
I'm
hearing
today
is
to
you
know,
revitalize
change,
neighborhoods
and,
and
with
that
comes
the
exacerbation
of
gentrification
in
our
in
our
city.
H
So
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
there
for
for
conversation
at
some
point-
and
you
know
we
start
talking
about
the
work
on
our
commission
and
thinking
through
an
equity
lens.
This
squarely
falls
into
to
that,
for
me
is
what
are
we
doing
for
the
next
five
or
ten
years
and
exacerbating
the
problem
of
gentrification
downtown,
even
though
we
want
these
tip
districts
to
flourish.
H
C
The
councilman
sacrament
great
point
you
and
councilman
lapel
and
mr
mayor,
you
can
tap
in
on
this,
but
as
development
came,
let's
say
from
broad
street,
you
know
down
up
the
peninsula
properties.
Like
the
canterbury
house,
I
mean
that
could
have
been
million
dollar
condos,
but
right
now
those
that's
affordable,
housing
for
senior
citizens
and
one
of
the
highest
real
estate
areas
in
america
and
they
get
to
enjoy
the
quality
of
life.
Just
like
people
who
live
in
you
know,
obviously
the
very
fine
homes
down
down
in
that
area.
C
If
you
look
at
right
across
from
the
corner
of
wentworth
and
meeting
street,
I
think
it's
called
the
grand
bohemian
hotel,
the
building
the
cream-colored
building
just
another
side
of
justine's
restaurant
used
to
be
the
old
salvation
army
building.
It's
now
a
senior
citizen
residential
community.
I
happened
to
do
the
ribbon,
cutting
that
was
in
2015
after
the
mother
manual
tragedy.
You
know
me:
a
pro
team
at
raleigh
obviously
was
going
in
nine
different
directions
seriously,
so
I
did
the
ribbon
cutting
there.
C
These
wonderful
gray-haired,
ladies,
came
over
not
to
hear
me,
speak
and
do
a
ribbon
cutting,
but
right
afterwards
it
was
a
happy
hour
and
they
wanted
to
see
the
grand
hotel
and
participate
on
the
rooftop
with
a
happy
hour.
I'm
sure
those
ladies
on
fixed
incomes
could
not
afford
that,
but
somebody
had
the
foresight
rally
administration
to
acquire
that
property
before
all
those
tips
and
that
probably
certainly
was
in
one
of
the
most
successful
tests
that
waiver
development
came
in
and
would
have
pushed
incomes
like
that
out
of
the
neighborhood.
C
So
I
think
we
have
to
be
on
the
front
end
of
thinking
like
that,
and
this
is
a
topic
for
another
meeting,
because
we
had
this
on
community
development,
where
we
need
to
have
some
out
of
the
box
thinking
around
that
low
line
for
affordable
housing,
in
particular
property
that
we
own,
mr
mir,
with
the
coca-cola
bottling
plant.
It's
just
outside
one
of
the
tips
right
now,
but
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
annex
this
right.
C
From
the
tips
as
a
matter
of
fact,
but
there's
got
to
be
a
way
we
can
manifest
some
monies
off
this
to
acquire,
affordable
housing.
There
get
our
recreation
department,
possibly
you
know,
west
ashland,
along
with
the
scng
property
which
opens
up,
we
could
put
hundreds
of
affordable
housing
units
there,
and
this
is
the
time
to
come
up
with
the
think
tank
to
do
that.
C
As
a
matter
of
fact,
before
this
meeting
today,
mr
may,
I
call
bob
brennan
bob
brennan
is
the
former
cfo
he's,
not
the
former
he's
the
current
cfo,
mr
jerry
richardson,
who
used
to
own
the
carolina
panthers
and
you
know
recently
sold.
It
gave
4
million
to
the
international
african-american
museum.
Well,
bob
is
the
finance
chair,
so
I
called
bob
and
he
chaired
the
process
for
a
new
market
tax
credit
which
provided
almost
five
million
dollars
to
the
international
african-american
museum.
I
said
bob.
C
Could
you
check
in
to
see
if
we
can
somehow
qualify
for
new
market
tax
credits
for
this
low-lying
project
that
we
got
going
on?
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
even
looked
into
that,
but
I
believe
with
some
of
the
blighted
area
that
backs
up
to
the
low
line.
It
would
be
great
if
we
can
get
an
additional
source
of
funding,
but
potentially
with
new
markets,
tax
credits
along
the
commercial
areas
of
the
low
line
that's
going
to
be
developed,
so
I'm
all
for
development.
I
want
to
develop
a
cost-effective
means.
C
I
think
we
can
provide
some
affordable
housing
before
all
the
stuff
is
finished
and
get
sick.
Maybe
a
half
a
different
half
a
dozen
different
funding
sources,
but
again
that's
for
another
day,
but
the
excitement
is
there,
but
I
tell
you
what
the
excitement's
got
to
be
there
so
see
one
of
the
things
about
charleston
that
maybe
you
all
just
moved
here.
C
Those
of
us
are
from
here
know
this,
but
that
peninsula
used
to
be
a
place
where
the
rich
family
used
to
have
an
au
pair,
but
that
au
pair
also
lived
on
the
planet,
had
affordable,
housing
right
and
believe
it
or
not.
It
was
private
sector,
in
most
cases,
affordable,
housing.
We've
gotten
to
the
point
right
now
to
where
mr
mead
do
we
have
a
do?
We
have
anybody
in
city
hall
that
actually
lives
on
the
peninsula.
C
I
don't
think
we
do
because
they
can't
afford
to
do
it.
So
it's
gonna
be
up
to
stewards
like
us
to
acquire
the
property
before
it
escalates
further
and
we'll
get
the
money
for
the
vertical
people.
Well,
we
got
to
get
the
land
so.
B
If
I
may
say
one
more
comment
before
we
sign
off
and
and
councilmember
saccharin,
I
didn't
want
it
to
sound
like
we
were
beating
up
on
the
school
district.
They
they
really
got
stuck
in
a
crack
with
property
tax
reform
about
eight
or
ten
years
ago.
B
It
really
has
made
it
difficult
for
them,
and,
and
so
even
when
they
did
the
45
for
that
west
ashley
district,
they
were,
they
were
really
being
gracious
to
participate
and-
and
I
totally
get
the
the
crack
that
they're
in
so
I
I
didn't
want
it
to
sound
like
we
were
beating
up
on
them.
They
they
have
real
legitimate
issues
in
making
decisions
about
participating
in
these
things,
because
they're
looking
at
their
income
right
now
and
next
year
and
and
even
though
long-term
benefit
is
there
there
for
them.
B
You
know
you
know
their
property
tax
situation
got
turned
upside
down
and
and
they
they
got
to
look
out
for
next
year.
You
know
I.
H
Get
that
can
I
just
respond
yeah,
I
agree
and
I
think
act.
388
has
completely
turned
things
upside
down
for
the
district,
so
we
talk
about
you
know
not
them
not
participating
in
a
tiff
and
again
I'm
not
in
those
conversations
but
as
a
as
a
district
employee.
A
lot
of
their
needs
are
immediate.
You
know.
C
H
E
Yeah
yeah,
mr
chairman,
just
just
a
couple
of
points:
if
we
are
going
to
try
to
develop
along
the
the
line,
we'd
better
get
busy
with
acquisition-
and
I
mean
now
because
people
are
already
acquiring
many
of
the
residential
properties
along
the
low
line
because
they
know
they
know
know
what
know
it's
coming.
E
Secondly,
you
know
I
don't
want
tiff
to
end
up
again
like
an
urban
renewal
or
like
when
the
gill
yard
was
developed
and
literally
moved
hundreds
of
african-american
families
from
that
area,
and
there
are
other
similar
projects.
So
I
just
want
I'm
going
to
continue
to
be
this
way,
because
I
think
that
we
need
to
really
be
sensitive
in
any
development
that
we
do,
okay,
that
wherever
we
can
preserve
or
acquire
properties
to
maintain
them
to
be
afforded
affordable
in
the
tif
district.
I
just
think
that
we
should
do.
D
Wearing,
can
I
just
echo
something
that
councilman
gregory
just
said
and
and
because
that
really
impacts
his
comments,
really
impact
an
area
that
you
and
I
and
councilman
recycle
represent,
which
is
the
parts
of
the
maryville
asheville
area
and
we
we
are
very
sensitive.
D
All
that
is
going
to
and
have
an
impact,
we're
revitalizing.
We
want
to
revitalize
that
area,
but
councilman
with
gregory's
point
I
mean
that's,
that's
a
concern
for
all
of
us,
because
you
know
we
don't
want
that
neighborhood
to
lose
its
character
and
lose
its
long-term
rentals.
Those
folks
have
been
there.
I
think
some
of
them
can
trace
their
their
time
there
back
into
the
late
19th
century.
I
mean,
and
that's
that's
some
of
the
ways
on
all
of
our
minds.
I
know
it
does,
but
it's
not
just
downtown.
D
F
D
F
I
agree
100
with
that
too,
mr
chairman,
before
we
sign
off
even
with
the
low
line,
and
I
want
to
see
even
the
low
line
where
so
many
people
have
lost
their
properties
anyway,
along
the
low
line,
because
the
low
line
was
bad.
Actually,
people
don't
know
it
was
a
separation
of
the
cities,
east
and
west,
and
that's
where
the
tracks
was
and
that's
where
the
tracks
came
about.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
people
along
the
low
line.
F
Was
there
a
long
time,
but
they,
you
know,
they're,
being
displaced
they're,
going
to
be
displaced
too,
because
some
of
them
have
already
been
displaced
as
councilman
gregory,
a
little
two
people
are
buying
the
property,
so
we
have
to
be
very
aggressive
and
moving
and
trying
to
get
these
things
done
to
make
sure
that
we
still
want
to
have
that
people
diversity
living
there.
The
people
who
would
like
to
stay
in
that
particular
area.
F
We
don't
displace
anybody
else
that
we
have
that
have
been
displaced
already.
So
we
need
to
look
at
those
things
very
carefully,
but
this
was
a
girl
yard,
the
bridge
september,
clock
and
all
these
different
places.
I
lived
through
all
that
and
seeing
it
all
done,
you
know
and
we
need
to
do
better
and
we
need
to
get
on
it
right
away.
C
You're
right
we
got
to
work
hard,
but
I'll
tell
you
what
now
I
mean
this
council
and
council
before
it:
affordable
housing,
that's
going
on
on
the
bridge
site
is
phenomenal.
This
that's
one
of
the
big
victories.
I
think
we
all
have
to
champion
and
share
that
news
as
we
go
out,
because
that
probably
could
have
been
sold.
Yes,
the
bridge
site
could
have
been
sold
and
you
could
have
private
development
going
in
there.
C
Instead
of
the
housing
authority,
you
know
with
grace
homes
and
now
the
james
lewis
homes-
and
I
forget
the
one
that
humanities
are
just
getting
ready
to.
We
just
approved.
I
don't
know
a
month
ago,
the
humanities,
that's
a
huge
victory
man.
There
will
be.
I
don't
know
how
many
200
units
there,
that
on
that
swath
of
property,
that
but
for
the
efforts
of
the
mayor
and
council,
and
certainly
the
previous
administration
as
well,
it
took
a
collective,
affordable
housing
would
not
be
on
that
property.
F
You
know
I
agree
100,
but
you
and
I
have
to
give
the
mayor
some
props
on
that
to
him
because
he
pushed
with
that
because
when
they
first
had
it,
mr
mayor,
you
might
not
realize
it,
but
they
had
a
different
plan
for
that
particular
area
at
85,
calhoun
street,
and
that's
when
I
went
and
turned
the
whole
table
over
because
I
tell
them
not
on
my
watch.
It's
not.
I.
C
That
that
drawing
I
would
frame
it
and
give
it
to
you.
F
I
turned
it
over.
I
said
please
having
nothing,
but
it
knows
that.
No,
so
I
said
how
was
going
back
there,
so
this
is
what
we
did.
We
pushed
for
that
with
the
council
and
we
are
starting
out,
so
it's
coming
to
patricia
now.
So
I
would
thank
everybody
for
that.
Even.
E
H
C
Boy
we
got
to
do
better
than
that.
You
know
one
time
we
saw
amy's
and
little
daughters
and-
and
I
think
billy
gave
some
money
for
ice
cream
cone.
We
got
to
do
something
better
than
that.