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Committee on Community Development 2/25/2021
B
C
B
B
Is
council
member
gregory
there.
A
B
B
B
C
B
E
Thank
you,
chairman
mitchell.
I
I
didn't
have
anything
prepared
today
anywhere.
You
want
us,
jewish
us.
Jewish
people
don't
know
how
to
pray
on
the
fly.
So,
let's
do
a
let's
do
a
moment
of
silence.
Feed
online.
B
B
Okay,
next
on
the
gender,
we
have
two,
you
see
any
public
participation.
I
think
the
public
participation
would
be.
The
the
individuals
from
the
lower
line
will
be
coming
up.
Is
that
the
only
one
we
have
miss
johnson.
F
Yes,
sir,
we
have
members
from
nhe
who
present
to
the
committee
on
the
call,
and
I
would
defer
to
the
clerk
of
council
for
any
other
members
of
the
public.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
so
we'll
move
right
along,
so
we
I'm
trying
to
look
at
this
phone
approval
of
the
minutes.
B
For
both
december
november
12th
and
what's.
G
B
B
I'm
gonna
have
to
come
to
apparel
and
borrow
a
computer,
my
computer
cry,
so
I'm
I'm
trying
to
look
at
the
phone
with
the
xander
and
on
the
laptop.
So
you
know
that's
cool
okay.
Next,
we
have
the
first
thing
on
the
agenda.
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
to
miss
johnson
and
then
she
can
go
through
it
with
it.
I
think
we
first
we
have
a
new
business.
It's
a
presentation
from
the
nhc.
F
F
We
city
council
approved
option
to
lease
in
a
ground
lease
agreement
a
few
weeks
ago,
and
I
thought
it
appropriate
to
bring
this
group
in
so
that
you
become
a
bit
more
familiar
with
who
they
are.
They
have
been
successful
in
securing
low-income
housing
tax
credits
in
our
state,
and
with
that
robinson
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
H
Thanks
gianna
good
afternoon,
everyone,
my
name
is
robinson
villa.
I
have
a
presentation,
I
believe,
if,
if
you
all
wanted
to
pull
that
up,
but
it's
it's
short,
10
slides
I'll
I'll
move
through
it
quickly,
but
I
just
thought
it
would
be
good
to
put
some
faces
to
the
name
of
the
development
team
and
who's
been
working
on
this
project.
I
want
to
first
thank
thank
everyone
in
the
council
and
you
know
the
community
development.
H
You
know
the
selection
committee
for
putting
putting
your
your
faith
in
us
on
developing
this
project.
We're
excited
about
it.
C
H
There
we
go
okay,
so
we
I
work
for
nhe,
my
name's
robinsonville,
I'm
the
development
director,
and
I
am
the
development
team
lead
for
this
project.
This
is
a
gonna,
be
a
joint
venture
between
two
companies
and
an
individual.
The
two
companies
are
nhe
and
scg
development
and
then
an
individual,
william,
mccauley
who's.
Also,
the
president
of
creative
builders,
you
see
their
logos
on
the
on
the
slide
page.
There
next
slide
please
so
this
is.
This
is
essentially
the
development
team.
H
In
a
nutshell,
the
three
principles
in
the
project
have
been
part
of
a
joint
venture
partnership
for
the
last
10
years,
and
then
the
the
development
team
itself
is
is
really
our
group
here
at
nhe
myself,
a
development
manager
and
a
shawna
taylor,
really
myself
and
ashana
will
really
be
spearheading.
The
the
day-to-day
operations
of
this
project
and
taylor
will
and
and
steven
will
be
will
be
guiding
us
as
well
next
slide,
please
so,
like
I
said,
we've
been
working
for
the
last
10
years.
H
Together,
we've
developed
eight
projects
in
south
carolina
and
two
in
north
carolina
and
that
the
development,
the
total
development
cost
of
those
projects,
has
been
over
100
million
dollars.
Two
projects
here
on
the
right
that
I
wanted
to
highlight:
one
is
parkside
at
hudson
and
gastonia.
It's
an
80
unit
project
that
we
finished
up
in
october
on
and
then
another
one
500
north
side
station
in
spartanburg
south
carolina.
H
This
is
a
a
very
similar
project
to
what
the
the
low
line
project
will
be
like
where
in
in
the
sense
where
it's
a
it's
a
joint
venture
public
partnership
with
the
city
of
city
of
spartanburg
in
a
lo
and
a
non-profit
that
is
joint
venturing
with
us
on
this
project,
and
it
was
a
also
a
successful
response
to
an
rfp
and
it's
about
60
percent.
Complete
at
this
point
will
be
opening
in
july
next
slide,
please
so
nhe.
Just
to
give
you
a
brief
background.
H
We've
been
in
business
for
just
over
50
years.
I
was
started
by
taylor's
parents,
nancy
and
harris
davis
in
orangeburg
south
carolina,
and
they
moved
the
company
up
to
greenville
about
10-15
years
ago.
We're
primarily
a
property
management
development
firm.
We
manage
over
8
000
apartment
communities,
our
apartment
units
throughout
the
southeast
we
and
we
have
a
large
a
large
share
of
that
is
in
our
affordable
housing,
affordable
property
management,
business
unit.
H
We
manage
nearly
3
500
units
with
2
000
of
those
being
low
income,
housing
tax
credit
units,
so
we're
very
familiar
with
the
program
and
and
and
have
the
the
the
bandwidth
to
manage
this
property
successfully.
We've
developed
over
13
properties
ourselves
over
the
past
10
years,
totaling
827
units
next
slide.
Please.
H
So
nancy
and
harris
davis
are
the
the
patriarch
and
matriarch
of
the
business
and
taylor
davis.
Their
son
is
now
the
ceo
of
nhg,
so
the
davis
family
is
is
nhe
and
you
know
we're
a
family
company
and
have
been
that
way
for
50
years.
But
you
know,
we've
grown
grown
up
a
lot
since
1969.
H
another
joint
venture
partner.
This
is
scg
development.
They
are
a
national,
low-income,
housing,
tax
credit,
affordable
housing,
developer,
they're
based
out
of
tyson's
corner
virginia
they've
joint
ventured
with
us
on
properties
for
the
last
10
years.
We
have
a
really
great
working
relationship
with
them
and
they
bring
really
the
financial
wherewithal
and
and
knowledge
of
of
of
lenders
and
syndicating.
H
The
tax
credits
we
we
really
are
are
working
the
day-to-day
building,
the
project,
making
sure
that
it
is
on
track
and
they're
and
they're
working
with
the
lenders
and
with
their
with
our
investors
to
make
sure
that
we're
attracting
the
best
financing
to
this
project
next
slide.
Please.
H
And
then,
finally,
creative
builders,
a
very
important
partner
in
our
in
the
project
they
are
our
general
contractor,
but
also
their
president,
william
mccauley,
is-
is
a
partner
in
the
in
the
project
as
well.
They've
been
in
business
almost
50
years,
actually
50
years
this
year,
and
they
are
one
of
the
one
of
the
most
active
tax
credit
develo
general
contracting
firms
in
in
south
carolina.
H
They
build
for
a
lot
of
our
competition,
which
I
think
says
a
lot
for
what
what
will
and
his
team
does,
but
they
they're
very
familiar
with
the
charleston
area,
they're
building
a
project
currently
in
the
west
ashley
area,
and
then
they've
also
got
a
project.
That's
going
to
start
on
the
peninsula,
not
too
not
too
long
from
now.
H
The
james
lewis
project
and
next
slide,
please
so
gianna
and
matt
had
asked
me
to
kind
of
just
put
together
a
quick
just
next
steps,
as
as
we
move
forward
with
the
project.
So
as
everyone's
hopefully
aware
or
is
probably
aware
of,
we
submitted
an
application
to
the
state
on
february
12th
2021
for
for
low
income,
housing
tax
credits,
it's
a
bond
transaction.
H
H
In
the
meantime,
macmillan
patterson
smith,
our
architect
in
forsberg
engineering,
are
going
to
continue
to
do
due
diligence
on
the
conceptual
design
of
our
project,
they're
going
to
be
doing
some
some
drawings
and
make
sure
that
they
that
they
are
fitting
the
the
building
correctly
on
the
site.
We
also
are
scheduled
to
meet
with
the
city
to
on
a
sketch
plan,
wednesday
to
go
over
our
conceptual
design.
H
Next
slide,
please,
I
think
that's
okay
and
then
I'm
sure
some
of
you,
some
of
you,
if
not
all
of
you,
have
seen
some
of
the
renderings
of
mill
and
paz
and
smith
put
together,
but
this
is
a
55
unit
project
on
point:
seven
acres:
we've
we've
put
together
this
package
and
we
feel
like
this
is
a
great
blend
of
not
only
the
design
requirements
for
sc
housing,
but
also,
we
feel
like
it's.
H
It's
something
that
the
bar
and
trc
will
be
we'll
be
happy
to
see
and,
and
hopefully
is,
is
something
that
we
can.
We
can
develop
the
the
initial
initial
design
next
slide.
Please
there's
just
a
cup.
This
is
a
kind
of
a
a
point
of
view
from
the
low
line
or
we're
standing
in
in
a
bush
next
to
the
low
line.
H
You
know
public
park,
so
we're
excited
about
it
next
slide,
please,
and
then
I
think
the
last
slide
is
just
our
site
plan,
just
kind
of
showing
how
the
site's
going
to
fit
or
the
project's
going
to
fit
on
the
site,
with
the
low
line
adjacent
to
it
in
the
housing
authority
property
to
the
south
of
it.
I
H
Correct-
and
that's
just
at
this
point,
just
a
working
title-
we've
we've
felt
like
we're
at
this
point:
we're
not
ready
to
decide
on
a
name,
and
I
feel
like
not
only
it's
probably
not
our
our
place
to
to
decide
on
a
name
we're
probably
going
to
look
to
the
city
and
and
also
to
the
you
know
the
neighborhood
or
anybody.
You
know
for
some
some
ideas,
we're
not
beholden
to
any
name
or
anything
like
that.
H
So
definitely
think
that
we
have
just
a
you
know,
a
working
title
at
this
point
in
time.
H
Absolutely
yeah
and,
and
and
we
definitely
you
know,
don't
want
to
to
just
hijack
a
name
so
we're
we're
not
feeling
like
this
is
going
to
be
the
end.
The
end
all
be
not
be
all
name,
we're,
definitely
understanding
that
there's
probably
going
to
be
a
name
change
in
the
future,
which
you
know
state
housing's,
fine
with
and,
and
nobody
is,
is
locking
that
name
in
at
this
point
in
time.
H
B
You,
okay,
councilman
sacrament,.
C
Thank
you,
chairman
robinson,
thank
you
for
for
the
update
on
this
project.
Going
back
to
that
timeline
that
you
had
had
shown
us
yeah
at
what
point
do
you
all
start
looking
for
for
subcontractors
and
promoting
the
work
that
needs
to
get
done
from
a
construction
standpoint,
and
I
guess
question
one
question
two
would
be:
do
you
guys
have
a
process
in
place
to
make
sure
that
those
subcontracts
those
jobs
are
are
promoted
here
locally
and
particularly
with
with
our
minority
owned
businesses.
H
Yes,
absolutely
so,
we
would
probably
anticipate
taking
some
of
the
construction
lingo
that
I
know,
but
taking
it
out
to
the
market,
for
pricing
and
for
subcontractors
after
we
receive
bar
trc
approval.
So
you
know
probably
later
that
later
in
the
summer
and
yes,
creative
builders
has
has
a
lot
of
experience
with
davis,
bacon,
wbes
and
section
three.
They
have
a.
H
They
have
a
program
set
up
to
where
they,
they
will
be
advertising
in
local
trade
publications,
and
they
will
also
we'll
be
talking
with
the
city
and
and
making
sure
that
we're
on
that
we
have
the
city's
latest.
You
know
mwbe
or
minority
contractor
list
and
making
sure
that
we
we're.
We
are
advertising
to
those
to
those
businesses.
C
Just
a
follow-up
to
that
I
mean
I
I
I
that's
wonderful
to
hear,
but
I
think
this
particular
project
and
certainly
council
council
member
mitchell
could
attest.
I
think
it's
critically
important
that
that
process
be
followed
thoroughly
and
not
just
rely
on
on
others.
I
I
guess
what
I'd
like
to
hear
is
more
detail
as
this
project
unfolds
about
a
real,
concerted
effort
to
do
that.
H
Sure
yeah,
we
can
definitely
put
together
that
detail.
You
know
creative
builders,
they
will
be
like
a
general
contract
and
the
vast
majority
of
our
subcontractors
that
are
involved
in
this
project
will
come
from
them,
but
yeah.
We
can
definitely
make
sure
that
we
have
a
concerted
plan
put
together,
that
that
council
sees
prior
to
and.
B
I
Yeah
rob
is
most
of
what
you
just
articulated
with
regard
to
section
three,
david
bacon.
I
I
think
you
mentioned
another
all
our
requirements,
okay,
right
their
requirements,
and
I
think
I
think
what
councilman
sacrament
was
getting
at
is
how
do
we
make
sure
that
this
is
done
through
an
equity
lens
which
goes
a
bit
beyond
what
is
currently
required
by
statute?
I
So
I
think
when
you
come
forward,
we
would
be
looking
at
it
to
determine
whether
or
not
you
in
fact
are
doing
this
project
with
an
equity
lens.
H
Sure
yeah,
I
I
think
that's
fine
and
we
definitely
understand
that
the
project
in
spartanburg
that
we're
working
on
currently
is
is
is
a
very
similar
project
to
where
we
had
established
section
three
and
mwb
mwbe
goals
that
we
needed
to
hit
and
we
check
in
with
the
city
and
the
city
is
checking
in
with
us
on,
as
we
work
through
the
project
to
make
sure
that
those
goals
are
being
met.
H
I
I
We
know
that
you
guys
are
going
to
advertise
in
the
trade
magazines,
but
are
we
going
to
do
any
kind
of
specific
outreach
and
marketing
okay
to
the
population
in
question
which,
which
goes
a
little
beyond
what
we
normally
do,
and
the
reason
why
I'm
bringing
it
up
is
because
councilman
sacrament
and
I
both
are
chairmans
of
our
new
commission
established
by
the
mayor
and
as
we
move
forward
as
a
city,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
everything
through
an
equity
lens
which
goes
beyond
just
providing
an
opportunity.
I
Are
there
seven
sides?
Okay
specifically,
and
I'm
not
talking
about
goals?
Okay,
but
set
aside
suspicious,
specifically
to
make
sure
that
women
and
minority
businesses
are
included.
H
Sure,
okay,
that
that's
something
I'm
not
familiar
with
so
yeah,
but
I
definitely
if,
if
that's
where
the
city,
the
city
would
like
to
see
we're
we're
open
to
that
with
the
city
of
spartanburg.
They
you
know,
establish
their
goals
and
and
and
we
we
we
definitely
have-
you
know-
tried
to
hit
those
goals.
So
I
definitely
understand
where
you
guys
are
coming
from,
but
I'm
not
familiar
with
the.
I
guess
the
equity
portion
that
you're.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you,
mr
vela,
for
giving
us
a
thorough
look
at
where
you
are
now
with
the
project.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure,
and
I
apologize
if
I
was
spacing
out
when
you
were
talking
about
you,
know
your
for
the
tax
credits.
You're
going
for
four
percent
credits.
Is
that
correct.
G
Yes,
so
it's
not
quite
as
risky
or
as
the
percentages
are
higher
for
meeting
all
of
the
requirements
for
four
percent
credits,
because
we
don't
have
a
really
good
track
record
here
in
charleston
for
nine
percent,
and
hopefully
we
can
improve
on
that.
But
we
wouldn't
want
to
put
our
eggs
in
that
basket.
So
I'm
glad
to
know
you're
doing
the
four
percent.
H
Yeah,
so
the
four
percent
is
an
interesting
over
the
last
I
would
say
12
to
15
months,
south
carolina,
the
affordable
housing
industry
has
kind
of
changed
a
little
bit
at
the
scsc
state
housing
level,
but
the
four
percent
yeah
is
is
definitely
this
project
would
be
is
a
priority
for
them,
because
it's
on
city
donated
land
and
it's
also
receiving
some
support
from
the
city.
So
they
they
look
at
that
very
favorably.
H
The
nine
percent
projects
are
are
very
competitive
and
it's
very
site
score
driven
the
site
score
on
this
site
is
is
not
as
strong
as
as
some
of
the
others
in
this
in
the
state,
so
it
would
not
have
been.
We.
We
just
actually
had
nine
percent
that
were
submitted,
and
it
would
not
have
been
a
a
quote-unquote
winner
this
year
in
the
nine
percent
program
because
of
its
site
score
so
yeah.
The
four
percent
is
the
straightest
path
forward.
G
Then
the
state
housing
is
is
issuing
your
bonds.
Is
that
right.
H
H
So,
affordable,
affordability,
we
have
a
30
and
50
60
and
80
units
in
this
project
and
we
have
an
averaging
average
income
targeting
of
60
at
ami
or
below,
with
yeah
we're
actually
probably
around
55
percent
of
area
median
income
targeting
in
below,
and
does
that
sunset
sunset?
No,
it's
it's
said.
It's
said
it's
a
at
the
inception
of
the
project.
H
B
Any
other
questions
that
was
on
muted,
mr.
J
Chairman,
that's
key
at
the
end
of
the
60th
period,
what
happens
to
the
property
we'd.
B
J
B
D
So
robinson,
nice
to
meet
you
congrats
on
getting
this
project.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
I
think
you're
hearing
from
council
members
today
that
in
terms
of
minority
participation
in
the
project,
we
want
you
to
go
the
extra
mile
and
we'll
get
into
the
details
of
that
over
the
next
couple
of
months.
Let
us
know
any
way
we
can
help
you
along
the
way
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
H
B
Yeah
with,
if,
if
they're
going
to,
if
you're
going
to
vote
on
it
today
I'll
speak
on
the
senate,
we
have
to
send
somewhere
else
just
to
kind
of
explain
to
them,
but.
F
No
sir,
this
was
for
information.
Only
council
approved
a
lease,
an
option
to
lease
in
a
ground
lease
last
month,
but
I
wanted
you
to
be
more
familiar
with
the
group
because
they're
new
to
our
community,
and
so
that's
why
I
asked
them
to
come
in
and
present
to
the
cd
committee.
B
K
B
F
Yes,
sir,
under
old
business.
Our
first
item
is
in
relation
to
amending
land
use
regulations
for
the
conservation
development
and
both
chip
mcqueeney,
who
is
one
of
our
attorneys
and
then
christopher
morgan
from
our
planning
department,
is
available
to
discuss.
F
Christopher
you
want
to
start
and
then
defer
to
chip.
However,
you
all
want
to
do
it.
L
L
B
L
Okay-
and
you
can
see
that-
and
you
can
see
my
cursor
moving
around
okay
got
it
all
right
here
we
go
so
I'm
just
gonna.
Do
this
quick
little
overview
that
lets
you,
you
know
understand
why
we
wanted
to
develop
this,
and
why
this
you
know
ultimately,
will
be.
We
think,
a
really
good
replacement
for
the
cluster
ordinance
that
you
know,
council
removed
from
the
zoning
ordinance.
L
In
a
sense.
We
really
see
this
as
a
microcosm
of
how
we
will
probably
be
doing
business
after
we
get
our
new
concert,
our
new
comprehensive
plan
put
together,
because
the
comprehensive
plan
has
such
a
strong
emphasis
on
water
and
elevation
of
land
and
also
on
affordable
housing.
Essentially,
this
is
an
ordinance
that
allows
us
to
to
encourage
the
best
use
of
the
higher
land
and
preservation
of
the
lower
areas
in
our
city.
L
Ultimately,
we
hope
that
our
entire
zoning
ordinance
will
be
oriented
in
this
way
and
the
comprehensive
plan
will
be
recommending
things
like
that.
But
in
the
interim
this
will
be
a
really
good
ordinance
to
try
to
encourage
developers
to
use
to
make
sure
that
we
get
more
of
what
we
see
in
the
bottom
right
hand,
corner
and
less
of
what
we
see
in
the
top
right
hand
corner
here-
and
I
think
you
all
saw
those
at
city
council
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
the
words
on
this
page.
L
But
you
all
saw
that
when
we
were
talking
about
the
cluster
ordinance
before-
and
this
is
what
we're
really
about
is
trying
to
make
the
best
use
of
the
the
remaining
land
that
is
in
fill
in
the
city,
the
base
zoning
districts
that
this
ordinance
would
apply
to.
In
other
words,
if
you
are
developing
some
land
in
the
city
in
your
zone,
sr1,
sr7,
rr1
or
conservation,
you
can
use
this
conservation,
development
pattern
and
you'll
work
through
a
staff
process.
To
get
your
approvals.
You've
got
to
have
a
minimum
content,
10
contiguous
gross
acres.
L
it
would
be
the
same
overall
net
density
as
the
base
zoning
districts,
meaning
sr1,
sr7
and
all
those,
but
there
is
an
exception
for
adus
and
those
adus
would
have
to
be
linked
for
affordable
housing,
just
like
adu's
and
the
rest
of
the
city,
and
also
for
overall
workforce
housing
units
in
the
development.
Those
would
not
count
towards
your
net
density
and
again.
L
This
is
because
of
the
information
we
are
learning
we've
all
known
for
a
long
time
that
that
we've
got
an
incredible
housing
issue
in
the
city
of
charleston,
but
we've
got
some
new
information.
That's
going
to
be
going
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
I'm
going
to
have
a
few
slides
on
that
that
show
just
how
important
it
is
that
we
have
affordable
housing
in
as
many
developments
as
possible,
so
we're
trying
to
create
incentives
for
it
in
this
work
in
this
ordinance.
L
L
We
have
all
our
developments
moving
in
this
direction,
that
you
have
a
much
more
thorough
analysis
of
the
land,
including
the
storm
water,
on
the
land,
the
elevations
of
the
land,
where
the
trees
are
on
the
land,
then
then
we
do
right
now
have
it
early
in
the
process,
so
we
get
much
better
design
and
we
can
preserve
those
great
stands
of
trees
and
we
can
help
preserve
the
low
areas
of
the
site
without
the
development
that
could
make
for
flooding
issues.
L
So
it's
much
more
information
up
front
from
the
applicant,
so
there
is
an
extra
burden
on
the
applicant
of
these.
They
are
aligned
with
the
new
stormwater
recommendations,
as
well
as
also
our
dutch
dialogues,
recommendations
and
information.
We've
learned
from
our
comprehensive
plan.
Of
course,
water
is
first
there's
going
to
be
a
conceptual
stormwater
management
plan
required
prior
to
approval
for
the
trc
submission.
L
They
also
have
to
look
at
soils
investigation,
so
some
things
that
that
are
coming
in
earlier
limited
impervious
surface,
a
maximum
of
forty
percent
of
impervious
surface
throughout
the
site,
and
we
require
pervious
surfaces
for
community
parking
lots.
Things
like
that.
Preservation
of
existing
wetlands
with
a
30-foot
wetland
buffer
and
75
existing
wetlands
may
count
towards
required
open
space,
and
this
is
incentivizing
leaving
the
wetlands
undisturbed.
L
I
If
you
can
go
back
to
that
screen
and
go
back
to
the
column
to
the
right,
yes,
sir,
how
will
we
define
limited
impact
on
natural
features
and
pre-development
hydrology.
L
Okay,
well,
what
that
would
mean
is
if
we've
got
some
natural
features
like
some
wetlands
or
we've
got
some
natural
features
like
a
really
nice
stand
of
trees
on
the
site.
Well,
we
would
try
to
have
the
development
not
be
in
those
areas
and
be
in
the
areas
with
the
less
good
trees,
with
the
higher
elevations
things
like
that.
L
It's
going
to
be
a
relative
term,
it's
a
term,
that's
probably
hard
to
completely
define,
but
I
think
that
it
would
be
based
on
the
judgment
of
the
staff
team,
that's
redevelopment
which
would
include
our
tree
experts,
our
stormwater
experts,
our
planning
experts,
all
those
types
of
things
factoring
into
it.
I
L
Oh
mr
mcqueeney
kind
of
comment
on
that
he's
helped
us
with
the
words
and
I'm
not
using
the
language
right
here
from
the
actual
ordinance.
So
maybe
we're
using
some
phrases
here
that
that
aren't
as
clear
as
are
in
the
actual
ordinance-
and
I
think
you
all
were
sent
a
copy
of
the
ordinance
in
advance
of
the
meeting.
And
I
don't
know
if
you
have
yours
nearby,
but
we
can
certainly
try
to
pull
it
up
for
you.
If
that's
important
too
yeah.
I
L
Okay:
okay,
when
we
run
through
these
slides,
if
we
need
to
pull
up
the
ordinance,
we
can
certainly
do
that.
Okay,
okay,
okay,
I'm
gonna
try
to
keep
zipping
along
here,
so
the
housing,
variety
and
affordability.
So
this
is
incentivizing
the
creation
of
workforce
housing,
these
developments
by
virtue
of
having
workforce
housing
units
not
counting
towards
the
net
density,
and
it
also
allows
for
single-family
attached
units,
but
only
if
twenty
percent
are
workforce
housing
units.
So
so
that's
a
very
important
incentive
there.
L
This
is
all
because,
as
you
see
in
the
box
to
the
right
as
we're
finding
in
our
comprehensive
plan,
analysis
and
our
deep
dive
in
the
housing
analysis,
over
42
percent
of
city
of
charleston
residents
are
cost
burning
burdened,
meaning
that
they
spend
more
than
30
percent
of
their
income
on
having
housing
costs.
L
And
with
that
this
is
that's
the
end
of
the
slides
I
wanted
to
share.
Let
me
get
out
of
the
screen
sharing
there.
I
think
we,
if
you
would
like
us
to
pull
up
the
actual
ordinance.
I
think
we
can
do
that
chloe.
Do
you
have
the
ordinance
nearby
that
you
can
pull
up
on
the
screen
chair.
L
I
think
so
we
can
go
to
that
and
chip.
I
didn't
know
if
you
had
anything
you
wanted
to
say
to
mr
gregory
in
reference
to
his
question
about
the
language
about
limited.
M
I'll
be
happy
to
address
that
I
did
want
to
mention.
Workforce
housing
is
for
rental
units,
80
percent,
ami
for
for
sale
units
would
be
100.
120
of
ami
and
they'd
have
to
be
certified
through
gianna
before
they
qualify
as
workforce
housing
units.
M
I'm
going
to
do
a
little
bit
more
research
on
the
the
length
of
time,
but
we've
made
them
perpetually
applicable
to
a
conservation
development.
Just
like
a
just
like
the
common
open
space
would
be
perpetually
applicable
to
it.
I'm
gonna
do
a
little
bit
of
research
to
make
sure
there's
you
know
not
to
see
if
there's
some
sort
of
catch-all
I
can
put
in
there
in
case
you
know
somebody
thinks
that's
invalid.
For
some
reason
we
can.
M
You
know,
go
back
to
like
90
years
or
something
like
that,
but
on
the
issue
of
the
green
infrastructure,
it's
I
there
are
two
things
that
I
sort
of
get
frustrated
with
as
an
attorney
because
they're
more
objective
than
I
think
they
are
because
I
don't
pre,
I'm
not
a
specialist
one
is
architecture,
and
the
second
is
is
storm
water.
M
There's
all
these
terms
that
to
me
sound
subjective
that
when
you
do
the
research
and
the
homework
they
actually
it's
more
professional
judgment
than
subjective
judgment,
if
that
makes
any
sense,
but
there
are
objective
standards
here.
One
of
them
is
that
I
think
it's
50
percent
of
the
stormwater
runoff
has
to
be
controlled
through,
what's
called
green
infrastructure
with
it,
which
is
infrastructure
that
either
is
a
natural.
You
know,
part
of
the
natural
characteristics,
pre-development
characteristics
of
the
land
or
mimics
the
natural
characteristics
of
the
land.
M
I
think
the
other
objective
standard
is
that
the
common
open
space,
which
I
think
is
yeah
50
of
the
total
acreage
in
the
property,
has
to
be
to
the
extending
of
its
developed
and
some
of
it'll
be
active
recreational
uses.
You
might
have
pervious
roads
or
a
community
parking
lot,
that's
pervious
that
would
have
to
utilize
green
infrastructure,
so
natural
conditions
or
something
that
mimics
natural
conditions
it
couldn't
go.
M
I
Not
not
quite
chloe,
could
you
go
back
up
to
the
revision
and
the
rule
that
talks
specifically
about
the
limited
require,
because
I
think
the
language
is
the
same
as
what
right
and
my
question
is-
shall
demonstrate
limited
impacts
and
I'm
I'm
just
saying
I
don't
want
us
to
put
a
rule
out
there.
That
can
be
challenged.
I
mean
you
can
challenge
anything,
but
the
fact
that
we
have
not
defined
limited
impacts.
I
M
And
I
could
probably
wordsmith
it,
I
think
it.
My
recollection
has
been
a
while,
since
I
we
kind
of
jumped
back
into
it
recently,
but
I
think
the
idea
is
that
it
has
to
be
demon.
It
has
to
demonstrate
limited
impacts
on
natural
features
such
as
because
the
a
and
the
b
are
sort
of
broken
up.
But
if
you
go
to
b,
that's
the
first
sort
of
objective
limited
impact,
so
50
of
the
stormwater
volume
has
to
be
handled
through
green
infrastructure.
M
So
that's
a
limited
impact
on
the
natural
area.
The
the
roof,
drainage
and
gutter
downspouts
are
are
disconnected
from
impervious
surfaces,
so
they
have
a
chance
to
infiltrate
or
evaporate
before
they
get
to
a
storm
water
pond
or
the
storm
water
system.
M
We
use
the
term
reasonably
feasible
a
lot,
which
is
I
mean,
that's
a
legal
term
and
it
is
objective.
It's
you
know,
not.
You
don't
have
to
show
that
it's
possible
or
impossible.
You
just
have
to
show
that
it's
reasonably
feasible
and
that's
you
know.
You're
gonna
balance
the
cost
against
the
burdens
of
having
to
do
anything
in
that
situation,
and
then
the
impervious
surface
won't
exceed
forty
percent
of
the
net
acreage
and
well
the
the
line.
M
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying-
and
I
think
I
think,
probably
the
the
fix-
and
it's
my
fault
because
I
drafted
it-
is
that
I
really
need
to
start.
I
I
need
to
word
it
so
that
b,
c
d
and
e
are.
I
B
You,
the
chairman
last
member
waring
and
then
councilmember
jackson
afterwards
and
the
male
also
had
his
own
name.
I
didn't
see
the
mayor
hand.
Like
I'm
sorry.
I.
J
Oh
yeah,
I
think
councilman
gregory
and
mr
mcqueen.
I
think
if
we
were
to
give
some
examples,
you
know
there's
some
impervious
surface
materials
that
can
use
as
opposed
to
just
paving
the
driveway
and
concrete
or
asphalt
or
even
the
parking
lot
either
those
materials.
J
You
know
you
got
these
pavers
that
people
use,
sometimes
you
can
just
use
a
crush
run,
or
I
mean
a
pea,
gravel
or
something
like
that
where
the
water
hits
and
has
an
opportunity
to
soak
into
the
ground
instead
of
running
directly
to
the
street
drainage.
There
are
others,
but
I
believe,
mr
mcqueen,
maybe
if
we
were
to
give
get
with
our
engineering
department.
J
You
know
mr
fountain
of
mr
newman,
get
a
few
examples,
put
it
in
there
and
then
there
may
be
others,
but
at
least
give
the
design
engineer
or
architect
some
examples,
as
opposed
to,
I
think,
it'll
speed
the
process
up
like
trc
and
then
getting
pushed
back,
and
then
they
got
to
go
back
and
design
it
and
then
come
back.
So
I
kind
of
think
that's
what
councilman
greg
was
kind
of
getting
to
leading
him
in
the
direction
that
we'd
like
to
go
with
alternatives.
Besides
paving
everything
all
over.
M
Yes,
sir,
and
I
think
most
of
the
the
numbers,
if
you
will,
I
know,
kenzie
and
matt-
have
reviewed
it
in
an
added
language
to
what
I
originally
drafted.
So
I
think
they
can
take
credit
for
for
that
part
of
it.
I
can.
I
can
take
the
blame
for
the
a,
but
I
think
they
added
most
of
the
language
in
bcd
and
etc,
and
there
are
a
few
other
provisions
throughout
that
talk
about,
like
a
community
parking
lot
being
a
pervious
versus
impervious
surface
and
those
types
of
things.
M
G
Thank
you.
I
I
think
y'all
are
you
know
getting
to
what
I
was
just
gonna
say.
My
understanding
of
you
know
an
answer
to
councilmember
gregory's
good
question
is
that
a
lot
of
this
is
formulaic.
G
It's
hard
to
it's
hard
to
put
it
in
english,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
actual
site,
the
concept
plan
in
the
beginning
and
then
the
more
you
know,
the
more
rigorous
site
permit
plan
that
that
most
of
what
they
have
to
document
for
low
impact
development
and
the
and
it's
their
designs
impact
on
the
existing
territory
is
is
demonstrated
by.
You
know
these
big
fancy
engineering
formulas
that
that
all
the
developers
are
paying
a
lot
of
money
to
train
their
people
and
buy
the
software.
G
D
You
so
my
question
would
be
and
by
the
way,
good
work,
everyone
and-
and
I
think
that
this
is
the
direction
we're
we're
wanting
to
head
as
as
christopher
pointed
out,
this
is
right
in
line
with
what
we've
been
hearing
and
the
comments
and
suggestions
for
the
update
of
our
comprehensive
plan
and
all
like
that
and,
of
course,
putting
water
first.
So
my
question
is:
if
we,
if
we
want
to
see
this
to
be
a
future
paradigm
for
our
city,
do
we
really
want
to
up
it
to
10
acres?
D
I
mean
why,
wouldn't
you
want
to
even
lower
it,
to
two
acres
and
and
and
for
try
to
have
this
as
an
incentive
for
more
development?
I
mean
we,
we
had
that
issue
of
phil
come
up
the
other
day,
councilmember
waring
and
public
works
committee,
and
and
in
fact,
matt
fountain
pointed
out
that
you
know.
One
thing
we
feel
we
could
change
is
to
make
it
applicable
to
smaller
lots.
You
know
on
the
the
fill
requirements
that
are
already
in
the
storm
water
manual.
D
D
J
Else,
well,
let
me
ask
that
I
missed
a
bit.
Mr
me,
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
but
I
would
just
one
word
of
caution,
especially
when
you
get
really
small.
I
wonder
how
does
this
have
a
and
we
don't
have
the
engineers
on
the
line
we
can
find
this
out?
Does
this
increase
the
cost
of
housing
or
does
it
lower
it?
I
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
would
inhibit
infill
for
affordable
housing,
which
tends
to
be
on
smaller
properties.
J
So
because
you
said
you
know
two-way
cause,
that's
still
you
know,
infill
normally
would
be
smaller
than
that,
I'm
just
one
there's
an
increase
or
a
lower
the
cost
of
housing.
I
don't
put
any
more
handcuffs
on
affordable
housing,
in
particular
only
occupy
affordable
housing,
and
then
we
have
to.
E
Apparel,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
before
addressing
the
conservation
ordinance,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
christopher's
last
slide
that
showed
just
the
amount
of
units
that
are
needed
in
different
parts
of
the
city
to
start
really
getting
to
the
bottom
of
this
affordable
housing
stuff.
So
when
we
put
those
big
numbers
into
context
with
all
the
great
amazing
work
we're
doing
in
the
city
through
these
structured
deals
and
things
of
that
nature,
it's
a
problem.
E
Who's
whose
order
of
magnitude
is
is
is
substantial
and
I
don't
think
we
can
lie
tech
our
way
to
there
to
to
where
we
need
to
go,
which
brings
us
to
this
conservation
ordinance.
This
is
one
of
many
examples
that
we
can
help
to.
E
You
know
encourage
like
council,
member
waring
was
saying
more
housing
right,
more
housing,
and,
of
course,
you
know,
this
comes
into
tension
with
other
issues
that
we
deal
with
storm
water
traffic
things
of
that
nature.
We
don't
want
development
in
the
right
in
the
wrong
places,
but
I
mean
that
that's
the
thing
we
want
more
housing,
but
we
don't
want
it
to
butt
up
against
these
other
issues.
E
Here's
a
not
every
cluster
or
conservation
subdivision,
whatever
you
want
to
call,
it
is
sort
of
the
the
famous
examples
that
we
all
know
about,
and
I
don't
need
to
mention
on
this
call,
because
everybody's
attention
are
very
controversial.
I
was
working.
E
You
know
not
too
long
ago
with
a
african-american
family
that
had
some
ayers
property
off
of
riverland
drive
and
it
was
one
of
those
very
narrow,
thin
strips
of
land
from
the
road
all
the
way
to
the
stone
river
and
they
were
trying
to
subdivide
the
property,
and
you
know
the
the
cluster
tool
was:
what
allowed
the
engineers
to
have
an
opportunity
to
lay
those
lots
out
in
a
way
that
avoided
wetlands.
E
Other
problems,
trees,
setbacks
things
of
that
that
nature,
but
for
a
mechanism
like
this,
that
provides
that
sort
of
flexibility
to
rearrange
the
lots
on
the
on
the
on
the
site
that
family
would
not
have
been
able
to
subdivide
their
property
in
a
way
that
would
have
enabled
this
property
to
stay.
In
you
know,
african-american
ownership
stay
in
the
family,
create
necessary
lots.
So
I
guess
my
point
in
all
this
is.
This
is
a
very
good
tool.
It
has
to
be
calibrated
correctly.
That's
what
we're
doing
here.
E
E
I
would
say
that
in
in
the
world
of
zoning
and
land
use
law,
you
know
much
like
golf,
you
know.
Sometimes
you
need
the
driver.
Sometimes
you
need
the
putter
right
I
mean.
Sometimes
you
need
very
specific
right
objective
language
other
times
you
need
things
that
leave
a
little
bit
more
room
for
the
experts
and
for
the
staff
to
be
able
to
navigate
and
to
be
able
to
make
interpretations
based
on
unique
circumstances
that
come
along
the
way.
That's
what
our
stormwater
manual
does
in
various
ways.
E
So
so
I
think
that
that's
an
important
part
of
this
process,
but
I'll
end.
My
comments
by
saying
I
tend
to
agree
with
the
mayor.
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
encouraging
this.
This
flexibility
and
all
these
benefits
on
on
smaller
parcels.
You
know,
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
get
into
you
know
very
small
parcels,
but
but
you
know
maybe
10
is
too
much
and
I
think
we
ought
to
look
at
maybe
loosening
that
up
because
again
we
don't
want.
E
G
Thank
you.
I
I
would
encourage
us
to
stay
with
the
that
the
minimum
acreage
size
for
this
purpose
in
terms
of
putting
this
back
on
the
city
council
for
first
reading,
I
I
can
see
the
wisdom
and
having
a
more
nuanced
opportunity
for
the
kind
of
property
owners
that
that
council
member
appel
was
just
describing,
but
to
me
that
that
then
we
should
have
a
tool
that
would
allow
special
exception
for
those
kinds
of
properties
that
you
know
we
want
to
give
deference
to.
We
want
to
give
assistance
to.
G
We
want
to
give
respect
to
if
we're
trying
to
just
make
make
land
that
has
been
overlooked.
For
you
know
the
last
decades
of
growth
around
the
city
and
as
I
was
trying
to
communicate
a
few
weeks
ago,
my
theory
in
looking
at
the
maps
about
where
these
cluster
areas
would
most
likely
end
up.
It's
going
to
be
in
the
far
corners
of
our
boroughs,
especially
if
we
stay
with
the
10
acres,
and
I
do
feel
like
it's
okay
for
us
to
give
the
opportunity
for
landowners
to
build
what
what
hasn't
been
built.
G
Before,
for
logical
reasons,
and
and
as
long
as
we're
coming
through
with
to
quote
mr
gregory
the
lens
of
protection,
I
I
do
feel
like
we-
we've
got
a
tool
here
that
meets
the
bulk
of
the
demand
from
landowners
and
their
developer
partners
that
we've
been
hearing
from,
and
certainly
that
you
know
the
planning
staff
and
our
stormwater
staff
and
community
development
and
trying
to
bring
housing
affordability
into
this
mix
have
been
consulting
with.
G
So
I
I
would
personally
be
very
interested
in
having
some
sort
of
tool
that
is
a
special
exception
opportunity
to
rework
land
that
doesn't
qualify
for
this.
You
know
more
more
holistic
cluster
arrangement,
but
yet
lets
people
subdivide
land
that
they
want
to
give
to
their
heirs,
or
things
like
that.
I
I
do
think
that
that's
a
beautiful
use
of
our
our
sets
of
responsibilities
and
authority
for
now
I
I
hope
that
we
can
just
agree
that
this
document
has
been
worked.
G
Very
you
know
diligently
persistently
creatively,
innovatively,
whatever
good
words
you
want
to
use
and
and
put
this
in
front
of
counsel,
give
it
a
first
reading
and
then
maybe
do
some
fine-tuning.
I
mean
I
I've
got
a
less
a
list
of
things
that
some
of
us
have
seen
from
the
coastal
conservation
league,
for
example,
and
and
one
whole
new
section
that
I
think
is
very
important
to
our
goals
for
combining
this
clustering
arrangement
with
housing.
G
I
can't
get
anywhere
one
from
one
property
to
the
other,
that
it
values
the
connectivity,
so
that
people
can
start
to
travel
more
efficiently
and-
and
you
know,
take
advantage
of
the
of
the
modes
of
travel
that
we're
also
trying
to
work
hard
to
establish
through
our
complete
street
goals.
So
I
do
think
that
there
are
several
improvements
that
we
could
make
to
this.
But
I
I
would
like
to
stay
with
the
10
myself.
B
Council
member
gregory,
then
we're
gonna
call
I'm
gonna.
We
can
call
for
the
question.
L
So
there
were
a
couple
of
reasons,
mr
gregory.
The
first
was
that
we
heard
from
folks
when
we
first
convened
the
group
that
came
up
with
the
conservation
ordinance
we
heard
from
some
residents
who'd
been
upset
by
cluster
ordinances.
Cluster
developments
excuse
me
that
felt
that
five
acres
was
too
small.
We
did
do
an
extensive
staff
review
of
the
cluster
developments.
L
What
I
might
suggest
is
that
there
could
be
over
time
with
amendments
to
our
overall
zoning
ordinance
that
you
know
trying
to
encourage
this
type
of
development
throughout
the
city
in
in
via
the
zoning
ordinance
that
that
might
be
a
a
resolution
that
gets
all
zoning
districts.
Designing.
This
way
right
now
we're
just
trying
to
create
an
incentive-based
zoning
ordinance,
but
ultimately,
with
the
whole
new
zoning
we
create
after
the
comprehensive
plan
we
could
have.
I
I
do
recall,
maybe
a
couple
of
years
ago,
christopher
and
you
might
as
well
when
dr
rivas,
myself
chloe
and
you
where
we
were
recommending
such
a
ordinance
and
a
change
from
cluster
to
this
and
you're
you're,
absolutely
correct
that
a
part
of
that
discussion
in
that
meeting
was
the
five
and
the
ten
and
the
fact
that
the
five
may
potentially
proliferate.
I
Okay,
what
many
of
the
neighborhoods
did
not
want,
and
the
10
was
probably
a
a
better
target,
because
then
it
kind
of
limits,
the
clustering
that
everybody
is
fearful
of.
So
I
do
recall
that
discussion
of
five
versus
10
and
why
10
and
not
5.,
just
so
that
everybody's
aware
of
where
that
really
came
from
and
it
did
come
from
the
neighborhoods.
J
J
If
you
were
to
look
at
ross,
if
you
don't
mind
me
pulling
on
your
client,
you
know
the
guy
at
the
anna
ashley
hall
plantation
road.
I
think
that
was
like
four
point:
something
acres.
J
Development
coming
down
there
that
wouldn't
apply
like
you're,
using
some
form
of
clustering.
There,
student
county,
you,
you
know
mr
mir,
probably
adjacent
to
ashley
harbor
years
ago,
and
then
you
know
the
piece
over
there,
the
avenue
which
is
on
the
front
part
of
ashleyville
that
had
the
wonderful
alley
of
oaks.
Those
houses
are
pretty
much.
Two-Thirds
of
those
houses
are
built
and
I
invite
anybody
to
ride
around
there.
The
way
they
preserve
the
avenue
of
oaks
and
open
space
in
a
dog
park.
J
D
I'm
fine
giving
this
first
reading
and
and
making
some
improvements
before
second
and
and
having
a
little
deeper
discussion
about
this
acreage
limitation.
D
I
would
respectfully
ask
all
of
us
to
to
be
on
the
same
page
and
and
and
try
to
always
refer
to
the
new
ordinance
as
conservation
and
get
away
from
the
cluster
which
some
bad
memories.
But
I
I
do
want
to
remind
everybody
of
this
that
some
of
the
pushback
that
that
gave
cluster
the
old
ordinance
a
bad
name
was
from
individuals
who,
just
frankly,
did
not
want
to
see
any
kind
of
development
of
any
kind.
D
D
So
so
I
think
a
lot
of
the
concepts
here
are
a
lot
smarter
way
of
of
developing
and-
and
I
just
don't
want
those
voices
that
you
know
are
against
any
kind
of
building
at
all
to
get
in
the
way
of
us
doing
doing
the
right
thing.
So
I
wanted
to
say
that.
B
Is
that
a
motion?
Mr
mayor
of
this,
this
conversation,
I
moved
for
approval
I'll,
say.
Second,
okay,
I
call
for
the
question.
Anyone
have
any
other.
B
E
Ross,
let
me
I
promise
I'll,
be
I
promise
I'll
be
quick.
Thank
you,
mr
mr
chairman
and
mayor.
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
that
you
know,
let's
just
call
it
out
central
park
plus.
You
know
you
know
the
c-word
on
central
park
road.
The
people
over
there
would
have
been
upset
if
it
was
a
traditional
subdivision.
If
it
was
a
cluster
subdivision,
if
it
was,
you
know
it
is
what
it
is
and
and
guys
that's
another
thing.
That's
intention
between
affordable
housing,
housing,
stock
people
don't
want
more
housing
right.
E
It's
it's
natural!
I
understand
that
I
get
that,
but
we
have
to
be
able
to
be
balanced
and
walk
that
middle
path,
but
to
keith's
point
you
know.
I
think
that
having
the
10
acre
default
limit
makes
sense,
especially
given
mr
morgan's
comments
about
how
we
can
sort
of
incorporate
a
lot
of
these
same
elements
elsewhere
into
the
zoning
ordinance.
E
In
other
words,
this
is
not
our
only
shot
to
achieve
a
lot
of
the
same
value
that
we're
that
we're
pushing
forward
here,
but
there
may
be
a
way
we
could
look
at
this
conservation
ordinance
to
allow
maybe
a
smaller
acreage
subject
to
a
special
exception
that
goes
before
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
E
In
other
words,
if
you
can
show
that
a
specific
layout
on
a
specific
property
works
using
this
cluster
framework,
while
meeting
some
special
exception
criteria
in
the
ordinance,
you
can
prove
that
to
the
bza
that
conservation,
let's
let
the
record
reflect
every
time.
I
said
the
other
c
word,
I'm
in
conservation,
but
but
what
that
does
is
it
allows
the
bza
to
sort
of
I
mean
this
is
what
we
do
with
hotels
right
I
mean
nobody
in
the
city
of
charleston.
Ever
has
a
right
to
build
a
hotel
anywhere.
E
You
have
to
come
forward
with
a
specific
plan
for
specific
property
and
meet
all
these
different
criteria
and
there's
a
body
there
to
evaluate
this
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
So
maybe
we
say
buy
right,
you
can
cluster
at
10,
but
if
you
want
to
go
lower,
there's
an
avenue
for
that
you're
just
going
to
have
to
make
a
showing
and
it
allows
the
public
to
be
involved.
You
sort
of
have
an
escape
valve
through
that.
E
To
that
point
now
now
like,
let's
not
slow
down
the
conservation
ordinance,
I
mean
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out.
There's
food
for
thought,
because
I
think
this
is
a
great
ordinance,
but
that's
maybe
a
way
we
can
build
in
some
more
flexibility.
B
Okay,
we
have
the
the
motion
on
the
floor
discussion.
That's
what
we're
doing
now,
discussion
now.
I
I
just
I
just
want
to
make
you
know
clear.
I
do
think
that
nimbyism
is
a
part
of
this.
However,
many
of
the
neighborhoods
that
protested-
the
sea
development,
okay,
had
legitimate
legitimate
concerns.
I
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
know
that
many
of
the
neighborhoods
on
james
island,
okay,
that
were
protesting-
the
sea
ordinance,
okay,
had
legitimate
gripes
with
regard
to
what
happened
when
the
developments
came
in
and
how
they
affected
existing
neighborhoods.
J
I
agree
with
you
councilman
gregory.
They
were
the
second
reasons
too,
and
mr
mayor,
you
know
this
as
well
as
the
councilman
apparel.
There
was
the
number
of
units
in
the
case
of
ashley
ashley
hall
plantation
rule,
there
was
60
some
odd
units
versus
40,
something
units.
C
J
B
All
the
favorite
book
by
saying
I
I
I
poses
the
eyes
happen
well
they'll
still
have
chance
that
you
can
make
some
adjustment.
You
know,
because
this
is
only
going
to
go
to
the
council
first
reading,
so
you
still
have
a
chance
to
make
some
changes.
So
it's
not
over
yet
okay.
So
now
we
go.
We
get
to
the
last
item
on
the
agenda
and
I
think
this
is
dealing
with
the
to
mend
the
workforce.
B
Part
15
of
brick
force
housing
and
to
look
at
the
be
in
lieu
to
raise
new
fee
in
lieu.
Ms
johnson,
you
have
something
to
say
about
that.
F
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
so
much
councilmember
mitchell
and
let
me
just
say
to
the
cd
committee:
we
do
not
have
an
ordinance
before
you
tonight,
although
our
legal
team
has
one
prepared.
What
we
wanted
to
do
this
evening
was
get
before
you
a
recommended
fee
to
get
your
response
and
reaction
to.
F
We
want
to
also
then
have
that
fee
or
that
recommendation
reacted
to
by
our
development
community
and
then
bring
back
for
a
final
vote.
Naturally
I'll
defer
to
cd
committee.
Our
presentation
this
evening
stems
from
the
report.
I
gave
you
relative
to
the
mixed
use:
workforce
housing
ordinance,
in
particular
the
fee
and
the
funding
that
was
derived
from
that.
F
Naturally,
we
appreciate
and
still
do
the
money
that
came
from
the
fee
in
lieu
because
it
is
unrestricted
funding.
As
I
shared
with
you
at
the
last
cd
committee
of
city
council
meeting
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing,
however,
is
secure
additional
housing
at
those
sites.
As
part
of
that,
although
the
funding
is
important
having
that
housing
and
helping
us
to
meet
that
housing
goal
is
equally
as
important,
and
so
part
of
what
we
want
to
do
this
evening
is
share
with
you
a
recommendation
for
a
fee.
F
In
addition
to
that
matt,
I
would
ask
that
you
share
with
the
city
committee
of
city
council
the
various
strategies
that
we
researched
in
relation
to
this,
such
that
we
give
the
city
committee
of
city
council
an
understanding
that
of
what
we've
looked
at
in
relation
to
establishing
what
we're
presenting
to
them
this
evening.
Thank
you.
K
Sure
and
thank
you
gianna,
so
as
a
refresher
under
the
current
ordinance.
If
a
developer
selects
the
fee
and
lieu
alternative,
rather
than
building
the
units
themselves,
the
fee
is
calculated
by
charging
five
dollars:
10
cents
per
growth
square,
footage
of
the
entire
development
and
just
for
an
example.
K
We
looked
to
update
the
fee
structure
and
so
in
the
city
originally
put
forward
the
mu
ordinance.
A
lot
of
time
and
research
was
spent
to
determine
how
to
structure
the
fee
and
lieu
we've
also
looked
back
at
methods
used
by
other
cities.
Recently,
methods
like
the
affordability
gap,
method
and
production
cost
method
that
cities
around
the
country
have
implemented,
but
ultimately
we
decided
to
build
off
of
the
current
ordinance.
K
K
So
you
can
see
the
fee
amount
starts
at
seven
dollars,
fifty
cents
per
growth
square
foot.
It
then
increases
to
ten
dollars,
then
twelve
dollars,
fifty
cents
and
finally,
fifteen
dollars
each
applying
to
a
quarter
of
the
entire
development,
and
so
the
example
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
this
would
work.
This
example
shows
a
100
000
square
foot
development.
K
So
if
the
developer
chose
to
pay
the
fee
and
the
alternative
under
that
first
25
percent
of
the
gross
square
footage
of
the
development,
they
would
pay
7.50
per
grow
square
foot
times
the
25
000
a
quarter
of
the
entire
square
footage
of
the
development
resulting
in
a
fee
of
187
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
to
offset
five
of
the
20
units
that
they
would
have
been
required
to
build
themselves.
D
K
Building
the
rest,
the
15
other
units
right,
but
then
you
would
go
up.
They
would
be
able
to
go
up
to
the
next
25
of
the
development
and
if
they
continue
to
choose
to
pay
the
fee
in
lieu
alternative,
rather
than
build
the
units
themselves,
they
would
pay
ten
dollars
per
gross
square
foot
times
twenty
five
thousand
square
feet,
resulting
in
a
fee
of
twenty
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
offset
the
next
five
units.
They
would
have
been
required
to
build
themselves,
and
this
applies
to
the
next
two
tiers,
as
shown
in
this
example.
K
And
so
I
think
the
goal
and
intent
under
this
proposal
is
in
line
with
the
subcommittee
and
their
their
recommendation
and
the
critical
work
that
they're
undertaking.
So
if
gianna
or
the
mayor
of
any
other
comments
or
anything
that
I
missed
in
that
overview,
I'd
welcome
those
comments.
B
F
M
I
was,
and
I
apologize
for
jumping
in
I
was
just
gonna-
suggest
I
kind
of
went
through
this
exercise
of
trying
to
draft
an
ordinance
with
a
two-tier.
M
M
F
I'm
interested
in
the
mayor
and
the
other
committee
members
response:
okay,.
G
Thank
you,
I'm
very
happy
to
see.
This
looks
like
y'all
have
put
a
lot
of
thought.
You
know
into
it.
I
I'm
I'm
trusting
that
you've
made
us
competitive.
G
I
was
very
distressed
as
a
citizen
back
in
2016
that
we
were
selling
ourselves
too
short,
so
I
feel
like
this
has
been
a
long
time
coming
and
and
on
that
basis,
I'm
wondering
if
can't
we
as
a
committee
right
now,
just
recommend
that
that
we
like
this
strategy
and
we
want
it
to
end
up
in
an
ordinance,
and
we
want
to
see
it
in
front
of
city
council
for
a
first
reading.
G
You
know
in
march
and
then
after
we've,
given
it
first
reading,
we
can
send
it
out
to
the
developer
community
and
you
know,
discuss
it
as
long
as
we
need
to,
but
I
I
I
know
that
you
know
people
are
already
watching
this
conversation.
They
started
as
you
made
your
great
report
last
month,
ms
shaw
johnson,
and
it's
like
anything
else.
You
know
if
you
have
a
plan
in
your
head,
that
you're
going
to
come
in
for
a
mixed-use
development
you're
going
to
do
it
now
under
the
2010
amount.
G
So
I
I
think
we
should
try
to
you
know
not
not
not
the
that
unfair,
but
I
really
do
feel
like
if,
if
we
can
get
this
underway
quickly
and
give
ourselves
a
jump
start
that
will
capture
as
much
of
the
increase
as
we
know,
we
want
in
the
money
and
in
the
number
of
units.
So
that
would
be
my
ask
and
hope
that
we
can
do
that
today.
Well,.
B
I
agree
with
you
councilman
jackson,
because
we
first
started
this.
B
This
was
something
new
to
us
with
defeating
lou,
and
you
know
we
used
to
trying
something
because
we
you
know
this
is
was
totally
new,
so
we
know
over
over
time
that
we
would
have
to
come
back
and
do
some
changes,
because
what
people
were
doing
is
running
to
the
fee
and
loan
we
was
putting
forgetting
by
the
affordable
housing
missing
that
on
affordable
housing,
then
we're
getting
less
money
and
the
fee
in
lieu
when
we
can
got
gotten
more
because
they
want
to
develop
here.
So
we
know
we
had
to
do
some
changes.
J
J
Chairman
on
the
other
side
of
this,
are
we
gonna
actually
shop
this
or
send
this
to
the
developers?
I
mean
if
I
were
a
developer
yeah,
it's
too
high.
I
think
city
council
to
just
move
this
thing
through.
J
Okay,
that
instantly
increased
the
value
of
the
land
overnight.
The
moment
we
did
that.
Okay-
and
you
know
what
developers
have
profited
from
that
and
still
full
profit
from
that-
that
reduction
of
all
street
parking
escalated
to
land
value,
far
more
than
whatever
fees
we
charge
in
here.
So
I
think
I
think
we
just
go
ahead
and
put
this
and
let's
see
how
it
works.
D
We
we
did
that
change
by
the
way
since
I've
been
mayor,
that's
right.
D
You
I
do
remember
that
change
and
you're
right.
It
had
that
consequence
in
in
a
positive
way
for
the
developer,
but
it
also
was
an
incentive.
D
You
know
to
to
build
more
affordable
housing
so
and
be
able
to
build
more
affordable
housing
so
that
they
they
they
got
a
break
on
that
one.
They.
J
D
We
we
had
a
lot
of
scrutiny
on
this
pricing
so
to
speak
when
we
went
around
the
first
time-
and
I
was
just
trying
to
be
sensitive-
to
allow
our
development
community
to
give
us
some
input,
but
frankly
they
can
do
that
between
now
and
the
time.
This
comes
to
city
council,.
F
We'll
have
the
ordinance
before
you
all
at
the
first
meeting
in
march.
Thank
you,
mayor,
good.
B
J
They
could
have
a
question.
I
did
have
a
question
on
the
on
the
avenue
it
was
called
clustered
in
development
in
the
front
part
of
ashleyville.
They
were
supposed
to
miss
shaw
johnson.
If
you
remember
and
mr
mir,
I
think,
built
four
affordable
houses
somewhere
in
the
area:
five,
affordable
housing.
J
I
thought
they
were
supposed
to
at
least
begin
that
or
have
that
determined
before
they
got
cos
on
the
houses
that
they
built.
Now
I've
been
riding
through
that
developments
of
beautiful
development,
but
they
ought
to
be
getting
pretty
close
to
getting
seals
on
a
couple
of
those
houses
that
they've
built.
I
don't
know
how
much
progress
they
have
made
towards
the
creation
of
affordable
housing,
so
I
would
not
want
that
institutional
artist
to
be
forgotten.
C
J
So
if
we
can
revisit
with,
I
forget
the
name
of
the
developer,
I
think
it
started
with
a
c
present
crescent
homes.
That's
right!
Yes,.
F
Sir
and
we
I
met
with
sunday
olympus
early
on
regarding
those
units-
and
I
haven't
met
with
her
in
some
time
chris,
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
additional
information,
but
we'll
do
some
follow-up
to
councilmember
waring's
point,
because
I
I
don't
think
anything's
been
done
on
the
affordable
housing
component
of
that.
G
Thank
you.
I
just
promised
councilmember
gregory.
I
would.
I
would
say
that
he
had
to
leave
for
another
meeting,
so
he.
B
B
Thank
you
too,
because
he
texts
me
too,
but
I
forgot
about
this.
You
know,
but
we
have
anything
else
to
bring
before
the
committee
before
we
close
anything.
C
B
Anyone
else
with
a
good
daughter,
okay,
if
no
one
else
have
any
information
haven't
you
I
could
talk.
I
could
talk
for.
B
Let's
all
have
a
nice
third,
let's
all
have
it.
Next
thursday
we
have
a
video
comes
from
wherever
you
have
something
else.
No
I'm
saying
bye!
Oh,
oh,
okay,.