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City of Charleston Community Development Meeting 1/20/22
B
All
righty
today
is
january
20th.
B
The
time
is
approximately
right
now
305
and
I'm
going
to
call
the
community
development
meeting
to
order
and
the
first
thing
we
would
have
invocation
and
first
like
the
welcome
our
new
council
member
councilmember
parker,
who
will
also
be
a
part
of
the
committees
from
from
now
on
right
now
anyway,
and
I'm
gonna
ask
her
since
she's
new
to
give
us
a
short
invocation.
D
But
please
I
please,
if
you
can
do
the
invocation,
I'd
appreciate
it.
B
Okay,
well,
it's
something
simple:
you
can
music
and
bow
our
heads,
and
we
can
say
lord
just
thank
you
for
this
being
here
and
the
number
one
more
time
and
give
us
the
point
too
that
we
can
do
things.
This
is
pleasing
in
your
sight
that
we
are
here
to
represent
the
community
and
the
residents
of
city
of
charleston,
and
let
us
be
able
to
do
what
is
right
and
pleasing
to
you
all
these
acts
in
your
name,
amen.
C
Julia
is
the
client
for
number
one
on
the
call
with
us
today.
D
D
B
B
Gonna
get
a
second
from
someone
a
second
okay.
It
was
moving
second,
all
in
favor,
but
by
saying
aye
aye
they
poses
the
eyes.
Have
it
gonna
be
coming
down
to
new
businesses,
consideration
of
a
resolution
certifying
property
located
at
50,
94
shepard
street
charleston
county
and
its
tms
numbers
there
as
an
abandoned
building
site
under
section
12,
20,
67
and
160
of
this
south
carolina
code
memorandum
and
draft
resolution
attached,
and
I
hope
everyone
have
gotten
a
chance
to
read
the
attachment
who's
going
to
explain
that
to
if
they
have
any
questions.
Julia.
D
Yes,
sir
gianna,
you
want
to
take
it
or
you
want
me
to.
B
D
D
So
the
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
notice
of
intent
to
seek
out
the
abandoned
tax
credit
they
part
of
this.
They
have
to
show
that
the
property
has
been
sitting
abandoned
for
at
least
five
years.
They
provided
a
power
utility
notice
showing-
and
just
so
you
know
in
the
memo
from
chip
mcqueen,
there
is
a
typo
here.
D
It
has
been
disconnected
since
june
10th
of
2002,
not
june
10th
of
2022,
so
they
have
satisfied
the
requirements
in
order
to
apply
for
this
tax
credit.
So
with
this
resolution
they
would
take
this
to
the
department
of
revenue
to
work
out
the
tax
credit
on
the
income
tax
portion
of
their
their
billing.
D
So
that's,
what's
before
you
today
the
resolution
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
a
satisfactory
application
for
the
abandoned
tax
credit
for
the
statute.
B
Okay,
if
anyone
have
any
questions,
I
thank
councilmember
sacrum
and
myself.
We
know
of
this
property.
Do
we
have
any
questions
from
anyone.
B
C
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
council,
member
mitchell
and
members
of
the
cd
committee
of
city
council.
I
would
like
matt
o'jala
to
share
with
the
city
committee
of
city
council.
Some
reconnaissance
is
what
I
call
it.
Basically,
research
on
adus
that
have
occurred
across
our
country
across
the
u.s.
I
shared
some
of
that
with
you
all
on
council
floor
a
few
weeks
ago,
but
matt
actually
did
the
research.
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
have
that
information
as
you
consider
the
adu
ordinance
once
again.
Thank
you.
Matt.
E
Sure,
thanks
gianna
and
I
imagine
you'll-
provide
some
more
context
as
to
where
we're
thinking
this
may
go
going
forward
or
what
we're
contemplating
so
following
the
passage
of
the
adu
ordinance
in
the
summer
of
2020
and
after
observing
the
lack
of
adus
being
permitted
in
the
city,
we
looked
to
the
experience
of
other
cities
around
the
country,
and
what
we
found
is
that
it
is
typical
for
adu
permitting
to
be
slow
out
of
the
gate
which
it
has
here
in
charleston.
E
So
a
few
reasons
why
adus
are
slow
out
of
the
gate
can
include
issues
with
the
zoning
ordinance
parking
requirements,
setback
requirements,
issues
in
terms
of
the
square
footage
allowed
and
other
restrictions
in
each
jurisdiction
can
make
it
onerous
for
the
private
homeowners
to
proceed
with
the
adu,
and
some
of
these
cities
have
had
to
tweak
their
zoning
ordinance
in
order
to
make
it
more
suitable
for
the
homeowner
to
to
go
forward
with
the
adu
financing
has
been
another
area
of
concern,
so
general
lack
of
capital
and
banks
being
unfamiliar
or
uncertain
about
adus
have
made
them
wary
to
make
loans
to
homeowners
in
certain
cities
and
over
time,
as
there's
more
education
and
awareness
about
accessory
drawing
units.
E
Those
cities
have
seen
that
the
increase
in
permitting
awareness
amongst
homeowners
is
another
issue.
You
know
it
takes
time
to
build
awareness
with
homeowners
to
just
know
that
they
have
the
opportunity
before
them
to
do
an
adu
and
over
time,
as
homeowners
have
learned
about
the
opportunity
I've
seen
others
in
their
neighborhood
go
forward
with
an
adu.
They
may
start
to
feel
more
comfortable
with
the
prospect
of
doing
their
own.
I
know
here
in
charleston,
I
think
we
could
have
increased
awareness.
E
Homeowners,
don't
have
the
expertise
that
a
developer
might
so
creating
an
adu
for
a
homeowner
is
a
big
costly
decision
and
they
need
hand-holding
throughout
that
process
and
seeing
others
against
seeing
others
do
it
in
their
community
may
make
them
feel
like.
Oh,
I
have
the
capacity
to
do
that
as
well.
E
It's
hard
to
pinpoint
exactly
any
one
reason,
but
this
confluence
of
of
of
issues
do
make
it
that
adus
are
still
out
of
the
gate,
and
charleston
is
unique,
though,
in
in
our
ordinance
having
the
affordability
requirement
effectively
requiring
the
adu
to
be
affordable
at
80
percent
ami
or
below
in
perpetuity,
and
so
I
can't.
D
E
That
I've
surveyed
every
single
jurisdiction's
ordinances
to
see
what,
if
there
might
be
other
affordability
requirements
that
are
out
there,
so
they
may
exist,
but
I
was
not
able
to
find
another
city
that
requires
an
adu
to
be
affordable
outside
of
chicago.
That
was
the
one
example
that
I
did
find.
They
recently
approved
an
adu
ordinance.
I
spoke
with
uli
chicago
who
led
the
effort
in
chicago
to
have
that
ordinance
approved.
E
You
know
again,
we
we
had
a
lot
of
interest
from
homeowners
over
this
the
summer
when
we
had
some
press
in
the
post
and
courier
and
another
local
news
outlets
and
gianna,
and
myself
and
others
were
bombarded
with
phone
calls,
trying
to
learn
more
about
the
opportunity
and
specifically
interested
in
the
incentive
that
had
been
discussed
and
that
incentive
was
a
potential
20
000
incentive
to
go
towards
the
the
cost
of
construction
of
an
adu,
but
that
funding
is
is
would
be
limited
and
we
given
all
of
the
discussion
we
have
yet
to
put
that
program
forward.
E
Yet,
and
you
know
in
those
discussions
that
we
had
with
homeowners,
affordable
affordability,
restrictions
was
a
major
concern
and
we
also
heard
from
our
local
aia
chapter,
who
has
been
in
close
contact
with
homeowners,
considering
accessory
dwelling
units
on
their
properties
and
and
they've
echoed
those
concerns
about
the
affordability
requirement
as
well.
So
those
are
some
of
the
conversations
and
research
that
that
we've
had
within
our
department
and
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
gianna.
A
Matt,
I
have
a
question
I
mean
in
fact
the
day
I
was
when
I
was
my
skin
person.
She
was
talking
about
doing
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
she's
a
little
confused
about
the
process,
the
incentives
and
how
that
worked.
I
tried
to
try
to
tell
her,
but
she
is
getting
ready
to
order
her
unit
from
home
depot,
believe
it
or
not,
and
she
can
purchase,
I
think,
about
300
square
foot
feet
for
about
23
000.
A
A
A
I
think
that's
the
question
for
me,
I
mean
how
do
we,
how
do
going
back
to
councilman
appel's
discussion
about
letting
the
free
market
handle
the
affordability,
and
I
just
want
to
find
out
from
someone
anyone
on
this
call,
including
councilman
appel
in
particular,
where
adus
on
the
free
market
were
available
to
people
80
and
below
market
without
an
affordable
provision?
D
Up
yeah,
I
do
thank
you
chair,
I
don't
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
interrupt
so
I
mean
I
feel
like
if
councilman
gregory's
asking
a
question
we
can
get
that
question
answered,
but
I'd
like,
I
think,
having
a
discussion
about
the
affordability
component
to
the
adu
is
worthy
and
I'll.
Ask
my
question.
After
someone
answers
councilman
dudley's
question,
okay,.
B
Councilmember
pal,
I
think
you
you
want
to
say
something.
I
don't
know.
If
I
see
your
hands
up
or
not,
I
didn't
concede.
F
I'd
be
happy
to
offer
some
comments,
but
perhaps
councilman
gregory's
question
was
first
directed
at
staff
and
then
I'll
maybe
follow
up
from
there
or
I
just
want
to
be
respectful.
C
Sure-
and
I
was
going
to
ask
either
christopher
or
robert
summerfield-
to
maybe
speak
to
that-
I
think
the
thought
was
and
not
having
affordability
restrictions
because
of
the
size
and
type
of
home.
It
is
that
it
would
lend
to
lower
rents
for
homeowners,
and
I
see
you
shaking
your
head.
I
had
my
doubts
on
that
as
well,
but
I
think
some
of
what
we
have
said
and
what
we've
indicated
or
what
has
been
indicated
is
that
it
would
naturally
occur
because
of
the
size
of
the
units.
G
I
think,
just
from
the
standpoint
that
our
point
was
that,
let's
just
say
in
my
backyard,
I
had
a
500
square
foot
adu,
I'm
gonna
not
be
able
to
charge
as
much
for
that
as
the
market
rates
are
that
are
being
charged
in
the
large
complexes
on
meeting
street
or
wherever
they
might
be.
And
so
the
idea
is
that,
just
in
itself,
by
creating
that
adu
in
a
you
know,
backyard
location,
for
example,
as
opposed
to
in
a
amenitized
bigger
building,
it's
going
to
be
more
affordable.
G
I
don't
know,
but
I'm
absolutely
convinced
that,
by
virtue
of
the
very
nature
of
an
adu
that
it
makes
the
unit
more
affordable
and
equally
important
is
it
makes
the
main
unit
that
it's
built
behind
more
affordable,
because
that
individual
gets
more
money
to
help
them
with
their
mortgage,
and
so,
let's
say,
they're
on
a
fixed
income
or
something
if
they
can
get
this
grant
money
and
get
a
loan
to
build.
This,
then
they're
going
to
get
some
money
towards
their
mortgage
that
makes
their
house
more
affordable,
long-term
as
well.
A
I'm
just
saying
that
that's
all
theoretical,
though
what
I
want
what
I
need,
what
I
need
to
know
in
order
for
me
to
act
on
this
okay,
because
I,
if
I'm
I'm
with
I'm
with
appel,
if
the
free
market,
okay,
if
the
free
market
can
can
produce
affordability,
I'm
all
for
it.
I've
just
I'm
not.
I
just
haven't
seen
any
situation
where
it
has
and
I'd
hate
for
us
to
be
the
experiment.
B
Okay,
council,
councilman
sacrament,
I
think
I
see
a
sam's
hands
next.
D
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
don't
want
to
steal
ross's
thunder
on
this,
but
the
evidence
dudley
is
look
across
the
nation
and
look
at
the
adu
ordinances.
No
cities
have
done
this
and
I
would
just
suggest.
Maybe
we
don't
have
to
be
the
guinea
pig,
but
we
could
put
the
the
genie
back
in
the
bottle
if
it
does
pop
out.
Let's
try
it
like
this.
I
think
christopher
is
right.
The
sheer
fact
that
they're
so
small
does
create
affordability
just
by
the
nature
of
the
market.
D
So
there
are
places
that
have
done
this,
and
I
would
just
ask
staff,
you
know,
send
us
a
list
of
places
where
it
is
being
done
with
no
affordability
requirements
into
into
the
second
point
that
christopher
made
that
I
think
ross-
and
I
will
probably
share-
is
looking
at
strictly
through
the
eyes
of
affordability.
Is
one
thing
making
sure
that
you
look
at
the
whole
homeowner
helping
the
per
the
homeowner
with
with
his
or
her
mortgage
payment?
D
That's
also
an
added
benefit
to
this,
so
that
when
you
talk
about
affordability,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
that
unit,
but
it
could
be.
You
know
the
primary
homeowner's
main
residence
being
able
to
rent
that
adu
out
could
reduce
their
mortgage
payment
substantially.
So
I
think,
there's
two
ways
to
look
at
it:
I'd
like
to
see
more
evidence
of
cities
that
have
done
it,
but
I
do
think
it's
out
there.
B
Well,
I'd
like
to
make
a
statement
to
it.
I
believe
that
giving
a
person
to
open
market
and
thinking
they're
going
to
do
affordable,
affordability,
housing.
I
don't
see
it
here
in
the
city
of
charleston,
because
I've
been
here
since
the
market
have
went
to
the
sky.
I
don't
I
have
not
seen
them
building
it.
If
something
is
not
in
place
advised
name,
I
asked
them
to
do
so.
That's.
F
B
B
But
I
don't
believe
I
never
believed
in
giving
a
personal
open,
open
door
open
mark
open,
they
should
do
whatever
they
want
to
do
and
that's
not
what
it
was
designed
for
when
we
first
started
talking
about
it
and
we
are
trying
to
help
homeowners
who
are
paying
so
much
in
their
mortgage
because
things
have
escalated
here
so
much
in
the
city
of
charleston,
but
giving
a
person
is
just
the
open
door.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
affordable.
I
don't
you
know
people
saying
it.
B
That's
a
speculation
to
me
that
it's
going
to
be
affordable.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
happen
that
way.
Unless
something
is
done
and
if
we're
going
to
give
incentive,
if
that
comes
to
participation,
that
we're
going
to
give
them
incentive
of
20
000
or
whatever
the
incentive
is
going
to
be,
then
I
think
you
should
have
something
there
too,
because
we're
giving
up
money.
B
B
You
know
just
giving
a
person
an
open
door
to
do
whatever
they
want
to
do
I'll,
say:
oh
yeah,
we're
going
to
do
affordable
housing,
no
they're
not
going
to
do
it
they're
going
to
try
to
get
as
much
as
they
possibly
can,
and
it's
going
to
be
up
in
the
ceiling,
and
I
see
it
every
day
and
I
think
everybody
on
the
council
seeing
how
much
we
are
fighting
fighting
for
affordability
and
it
doesn't
didn't
happen.
So
I
don't
know
you
know,
I
must
don't
give
him
a
personal
open
range.
B
D
F
I
think
I
could
scrounge
up
some
things
to
say
about
this
topic.
I
appreciate
it
chairman
mitchell,
so
to
councilman
gregory's
point:
there's
been
a
lot
of
really
good
research.
F
That's
out
there
about
how
adu's
help
drive
housing,
affordability,
especially
out
of
california,
there's
been
major
state
level
legislation
that
has
essentially
forced
local
governments
to
relax
their
zoning
regulations
to
enable
more
adus
as
a
way
to
address
california's
housing,
affordability,
crisis
and
you
know,
I
think
that
there's
just
there's
a
lot
of
science
there's
a
lot
of
study
and
analysis
that
supported
that
legislative
push,
in
other
words,
state
state
of
california,
adus,
are
at
the
top
of
their
list.
F
When
it
comes
to
mechanisms
to
drive
down,
you
know
housing
costs.
So
there
is
some
good
information
out
there
and
you
know
to
councilman
mitchell's
point
I
mean
you
know.
F
I
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
keep
in
mind
that
we're
talk,
we're
not
talking
about
development
in
the
city
of
charleston,
generally
we're
talking
about
600
square
feet
in
regular
citizens,
backyards
we're
not
talking
about.
You,
know,
apartment
complexes
and
things
of
that
nature.
I'm
not
talking
about
a
full-on
libertarian
land
use
environment
here.
This
is
a
situation
where
you
know
regular
people
can,
you
know,
put
some
additional
housing
on
their
property
and,
as
councilman
sacrament
pointed
out
to
help.
F
Potentially,
you
know
enable
these
folks
to
stay
in
their
property,
and
I
think
you
can
make
a
very
straightforward
equity
argument
about
why
we
ought
to
be
doing
this.
You
know
the
cost
of
living
has
gotten
more
expensive
property
taxes
have
gotten
more
expensive.
If
you're,
you
know
an
african-american
family,
that's
been
living
on
the
peninsula
for
a
long
time.
You
know
being
able
to
drop
an
adu
in
your
backyard
and
having
that
extra
revenue.
F
Allow
you
to
stay
in
your
home
or
to
allow
you
to
do
what
you
need
to
do
to
be
more
secure
from
a
financial
standpoint.
It's
a
great
thing
to
be
able
to
do,
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know,
and
matt
did
a
great
job
of
pointing
this
out.
F
It's
complicated
to
you
know,
navigate
the
development
review
process.
Generally,
I
mean
whether
you're
doing
a
subdivision,
whether
you're
doing
an
addition
to
your
house,
whether
you're
doing
an
adu,
so
we
have
to
find
a
way
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
get
from
concept
to
approval,
to
getting
the
the
the
building
built
and
this
affordable
restriction
that
we're
talking
about
it's
just
going
to
be
a
very
you
know,
onerous
thing
for
somebody
to
do.
F
I
mean
you
know
you
would
have
to
hire
a
lawyer
to
put
together
a
covenant
and
like
they'd,
have
to
send
it
to
chip
and
chip
would
have
to
look
at
it
and
give
you
comments
and
then
your
lender
might
be
like.
Why
are
you
filing
this?
You
know
thing
on
the
property.
I
mean
it's
just
this
complicated
thing
that
we're
we're
asking
people
to
have
to
navigate
and,
as
we
have
seen
time
and
time
again,
the
more
sophisticated
you
are
and
I've
heard.
F
Councilman
learning
talk
a
lot
about
this
very,
very
persuasively.
The
more
you
know,
the
rich
sophisticated
people
don't
have
any
problem,
navigating
the
development
review
process.
It's
regular
people
that
can't
do
it
because
it's
hard
and
it's
complicated
and
it's
onerous
and
when
you're
talking
about
a
500
square
foot,
you
know
unit
in
your
backyard
and
you're
weighing
the
value
of
that
versus
the
value
of
having
to
navigate
this.
You
know
labyrinth
of
regulation,
it's
oftentimes
not
a
winning
prospect
and
then
people
just
kind
of
give
up
and
go
away.
F
This
whole
idea
of
we
haven't
gotten
the
word
out.
We
don't
need
to
get
the
word
out
if
we
put
into
place
something
that
will
work
for
people.
Let
me
give
you
an
example:
did
the
city
of
charleston
ever
like
publicize?
You
know
short-term
rentals,
like
hey,
hey,
there's,
there's
this
website
called
airbnb.
You
can
make
a
whole
bunch
of
money.
Do
it
no
people
that
caught
on
and
spread
like
wildfire,
because
it
was
something
easy
for
people
to
do
for
them
to
make
money
and
realize
some
value
out
of
their
homes.
F
Without
us
having
to
do
much
work
at
all
to
promote
them,
I'm
envisioning
a
world
where
we
have
firms
that
develop,
that
new
businesses
get
formed
in
the
city
of
charleston,
that
specialize
in
planning
designing,
building
managing
adus
for
people
in
their
backyards.
It
becomes
a
one-stop
shop
where
you
know
it's
a
turnkey
solution
for
people.
We
just
have
to
create
the
environment
and
the
ecosystem.
F
That
makes
it
easier
for
people
to
do
this
kind
of
stuff
and
again
we're
not
talking
about
totally
just
letting
the
forces
of
the
free
market
run
wild
over
the
landscape.
We're
talking
about
a
very
limited
specific
issue
here
of
accessory
dwelling
units
in
people's
backyards-
and
you
know
this
is
this-
is
you
know
some
low
hanging.
H
F
Here-
and
you
know
it's
it's
something
we're
seeing
all
around
the
country
and
I
think
would
be
wonderful
if
charleston
got
in
the
game.
I
think
it
could
be
a
real
game-changer
for
us
here
in
the
city.
So
thank
you
all
for
the
time.
B
Okay,
I
I
really
don't
have
a
problem
problem
with
it
with
adu,
I'm
just
saying
with
an
open
door
policy
on
it.
I
just
have
a
problem
with
that
when
we
are
trying
to
assist
people
and
saving
their
home
and
staying
in
their
home,
I
just
have
a
little
problem
with
just
getting
a
person
to
do
whatever
they
want
to
do.
When
you're
talking
about
the
full
ability
and
trying
to
hold
on
to
that,
I
just
don't
see
it.
B
We
are
still
speculating
and
if
we're
going
to
give
them
splintered,
it
seemed
like
we
should
have
something
in
place.
You
know,
I
know
they
were
talking
about
perpetuity.
We
were
planning
on
taking
that
out
as
perpetuity
and
I
and
we
came
back
and
talked
about
the
40
years,
and
then
we
came
back
and
talked
about
the
30
years.
You
know
so
I
think
there
should
be
something
there.
We
do
it
all
over
we're
doing
it
all
over
the
city
of
charleston
and
the
city
of
charleston
is
not
california.
B
You
know,
I
heard
you
be
talking
about
california,
we
heard
talk
about
chicago,
we
are
not
there
not.
Yet
we
are
not
there
and
I
just
don't
see
it
and
I
just
have
a
problem
with
it.
Giving
even
if
I
want
to
build
my
yard,
I
have
a
problem
with
it.
With
someone,
that's
giving
me
an
open
door
and
that
we
said
affordability,
it's
not
going
to
happen.
It's
not
going
to
happen
that
way.
People
talking
that
and
speculating
it's
not
going
to
happen.
B
People
are
looking
for
just
making
money
and
the
people
that
really
need
it
with
the
affordable
affordability.
So
far,
the
edu
some
of
them
might
not
even
get
it
because
you
might
can't
afford
it
anyway,
but
the
other
people
are
going
to
get.
Who
can
get
it
they're
going
to
be
making
this
money-
and
there's
me
talking
about,
is
having
an
open
door
with
it.
B
Oh
yeah
go
ahead
and
run
you're
going
to
run
into
the
portable
yeah,
I'm
going
to
run
the
affordable,
there's
nothing
there
telling
them
they're
going
to
do
whatever
they
want
to
do
it's
going
to
be
a
big
money,
making
procedure
on
it,
and
I
can
see
that
coming
out
the
door.
I
think
I
see
a
couple
of
hands.
I
saw
councilman
gregory,
I
saw
councilman
councilman
sacrament.
B
C
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
number
one.
I
want
to
thank
councilman
lapel
and
everybody
on
here
who
agreed
to
the
deferral,
so
we
can
kind
of
vet
this
thing
out
a
little
bit.
I
actually
think
we
can
do
both.
H
H
I
don't
think
it
has
to
be
an
either
or
you
know,
one
of
the
things
we
had
talked
about
on
the
floor.
Councilman
lapel
was
when
you
build
this
adu
in
the
backyard
and
we
rented
out
how's
that
going
to
be
taxed.
Is
that
going
to
be
taxed
at
six
percent
or
is
it
gonna
be
taxed
at
the
four
percent?
H
I
think
it
would
be
six,
but
I
tell
you
well,
it
sure
would
be
good
if
we
could
affordability
standpoint
get
some
sort
of
agreement
with
county
council
to
say
hey.
If
you
do
a
unit
and
it's
going
to
be,
you
know
at
80
percent
of
mean
income
or
whatever
you
get
to
do
it
at
the
four
percent
accessory.
H
If
we
do
a-
I
don't
know
a
two
bedroom
unit.
The
city
will
put
x
amount
as
a
grant
in
that
unit
towards
the
construction
to
keep
it
affordable.
If
somebody
wants
to
do
a
market
rate
unit,
they
can
forego
all
of
that
and
say
you
know
what
I
tell
you:
what
I'll
I'll
put
100
of
my
money
to
build
it
and
they
can
go
ahead
and
build
a
private
sector
piece
and
we
can
have
dual
tracks
working.
Some
people
are
just
dedicated
to
affordable
housing.
H
My
father
and
I
were
we
did
a
whole
subdivision
and
get
didn't
get
one
penny
of
supplement
from
federal
or
state
government.
Now
the
problem
with
that
is,
we
sold
them
at
good
prices,
but
when
those
people
turned
around
to
sell,
we
didn't
have
indeed
restrictions
that
mrs
johnson,
her
team
came
up
with
years
later,
so
that
all
those
houses
are
now
market
rate
housing.
But
I
think
we
can
incentivize
both,
and
I
also
think
councilmember
pell
is
getting
to,
and
I
think
councilman
would
very
agree
to
some
extent.
H
It's
only
you
know,
the
chamber
did
a
study
a
couple
of
years
before
colby
to
see
how
long
does
it
take
a
single
family
house
or
a
an
apartment
or
an
office
building
to
get
approved
through
north
charleston
mount
pleasant
in
the
city
of
charleston,
and
I
think
city
charleston
led
a
long
way.
I
think
it's
like
18
months
to
get
something
approved.
I
mean
that's
just
crazy.
That's
just
crazy
man,
in
particular,
for
the
city
of
charleston
to
go
and
build
an
affordable
housing
process
project.
H
H
H
If
we
come
up
with
the
right
incentive
package,
maybe
some
people
in
the
private
sector
say
hey
for
that.
Yeah
I'll
do
it
on
a
subsidized
basis
and
some
people
can
throw
their
hands
up
and
say
you
know
what
no
I'd
rather
there's
a
certain
market,
I'm
trying
to
attract
to
my
backyard
and
I
want
to
go
after
the
high
dollar
medical
student
or
something
like
that.
So.
C
C
Council
member
mitchell,
councilmember
waring.
Thank
you
for
that
point
and
that
segways
into
my
comments,
what
we
were
creating
is
that
incentive
package
for
those
who
preferred
affordability.
C
Can
we
mute
if
we're
not
talking,
because
I'm
here
in
future,
and
so
in
addition
to
the
20
000
that
matt
mentioned,
that
would
be
a
grant
given
at
co.
We
were
also
looking
to
provide
design
for
the
adu.
We
are,
I
would
say,
getting
much
better
at
getting
folks
through
our
approval
process
we're
working
on
that.
Every
day
we
have
chloe
suber
who
works
as
our
concierge.
C
In
addition
to
her
other
tasks,
we
we
need
a
person
specifically
for
that,
but
we
had
a
package
whereby
we
would
provide
the
design
provide
the
funding.
We
had
spoken
with
lenders
who
were
willing
to
lend
for
years,
because
there
is
that
cost.
We
did
not
find
yet
councilmember
gregory
the
twenty
three
thousand
dollar
bill,
but
I'm
certainly
going
by
home
depot
when
I
leave
the
office
today
to
find
out
about
that
one.
So
we
literally
had
a
package
for
those
who
were
interested.
C
We
wanted
to
make
the
process
seamless.
We
have
affordability,
restriction
restrictions
prepared
so
that
it
would
not
be
onerous
if
you
will
on
those
folks
who
would
decide
they
wanted
to
build
that
adu
and
our
thought
in
the
more
recent
discussion
we
had
between
my
department
and
the
planning
department
was
that
maybe
we
do
offer
both
as
an
option
and
see
where
it
goes
and
see
how
it
is
used.
We
would
still
offer
that
package.
We
literally
we
have
an
application.
C
Their
only
the
only
drawback
at
the
time
was
the
fact
that
it
had
to
remain
for
perpetuity,
which
was
a
part
of
the
ordinance,
and
I
would
just
remind
you
all
that
what
is
before
you
today
is
an
amended
ordinance
that
we
presented
to
planning
commission
which
they
supported,
but
we
wanted
to
and
were
required,
of
course,
to
bring
it
back
to
you
all
for
this
discussion
and
to
improve
it
for
it
to
go
into
final
form.
So
that
is
where
it
is
right.
C
Now
what
chip
said
or
what
we
sent
as
part
of
the
package
that
chip
prepared
in
concert
with
lee
batchelder,
along
with
the
memo,
basically
describes
that,
but
the
primary
change
that
is
in
the
current
ordinance
is
that
we
currently
have
an
affordability
period
of
30
years
attached,
because
we
were
looking
at
having
that
covenant
of
affordability
presented
as
part
of
the
adu.
A
Just
a
point
of
clarification,
going
back
to
councilman
waring
in
terms
of
dual
because
right
now
we
we
already
people
can
already
do
an
adu
if
it's
for
grandma,
grandpa
etc.
Am
I
correct?
A
A
Okay,
so
is:
is
there
any
way
for
us
going
back
to
to
to
councilman
waring,
to
sort
of
expand
that
one
to
to
not
necessarily
be
for
a
family
member,
etc,
etc
and
allow
those
to
be
able
to
go
to
market
rate,
but
still
keep
an
affordability
track?
I
agree
with
councilman
waring.
Why
can't
we
do
both.
C
I
have
put
that
forward
to
our
legal
counsel
chip
who
prepared
this,
and
I
don't
think
chip
is
on
the
call
today,
but
I
did
ask
in
light
of
us
having
this
meeting
in
this
discussion
today
to
determine
how
the
ordinance
could
be
fashioned
to
allow
both,
and
so
I
am
waiting
for
a
response.
I
just
sent
him
that
email
earlier
today.
C
So
julia,
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
comments
with
regard
to
that,
but
we
can
certainly
get
back
with
the
cd
committee
on
that,
along
with
any
other
additional
information
you
may
require.
A
Can
can
I
just
just
do
a
follow-up
I
mean
the
california
comparison
to
me
is
california's
totally
different
animal.
I
mean
they
have
an
unbelievable
homeless.
They've
got
to
find
whatever
they
can
do
to
try
to
provide
affordable
units.
But
I'd
still
like
to
know
if
we
can
get
that
data
for
those
communities
that
currently
have
a
functioning
ordinance
for
80
years
with
no
affordable
restrictions,
whether
or
not
any
of
those
units,
okay,
are
in
fact
going
given
the
market
going
to
people
80
below.
A
That's
just
for
me,
that's
just
a
simple,
simple
question
and
search,
and
I
think
it
it.
It
would
really
buttress
councilman
appel's
argument,
because
if,
if
their
free
market
okay
is
producing
affordable
units,
then
we
need
to
jump
on
it
to
me,
but
we're
still
talking
theory,
speculations,
okay
and
no
fact.
C
Councilmember
councilmember
mitchell,
councilmember
sacramento
matt's
hand
is
up
and
then
once
they're
done
I'd
like
to
make
comments,
sir
you're
muted,
councilmember
mitchell.
D
Thank
you
chair.
Just
briefly,
I
wanted
to
just
say
two
things,
one
to
councilman
waring's
suggestion.
If
we
can
do
a
dual
track,
I
think
that's
wonderful.
The
other
clarification
I
need
gianna
from
you
is
the
twenty
thousand
dollars.
So
if
I'm
I'm
a
homeowner,
I
go
out
to
home
depot.
I
purchase
that.
You
know
that
that
small
adu
it
cost
me
30
000..
D
C
D
D
So
if
the
building
cost
me
30
and
saying
there's
another
30
for
all
the
infrastructure,
we're
at
60,
I'm
going
to
get
20,
000
correct,
so
amortize
over
like
four
years.
That's
that's
a
savings
of
like
400
a
month,
absolutely
so
that
would
make
sense
for
me
to
to
maybe
go
that
route.
If,
if,
if
so
I
get,
I
I
understand,
I
think
there
is
opportunity
for
a
dual
approach
to
this,
but
I
still
feel
to
councilman
pelts
a
point.
D
E
Yeah,
so
I
think
councilmember
gregory's
question
is
a
really
important
one
and
the
I
don't
have
data
from
you
know
from
around
the
country
in
terms
of
the
different
cities.
What
the
you
know
what
the
income
levels
are
for
for
households
in
the
adus,
except
I
did
find
one
study
in
southern
california,
amongst
local
governments
in
southern
california,
and
what
they
showed.
Their
study
shows
that
there
is
a
mix
between
extremely
low
income,
low
income,
moderate
income
and
above
moderate
income,
households
that
are
residing
in
the
adus.
E
So
I
can
forward
that
study
to
to
everyone.
So
you
can
see
that
firsthand
and
we
can
also
do
some
additional
leg
work
to
see
if
there's
more
info
because,
like
you
said,
charleston,
isn't
carol,
california
and.
F
Thank
you,
sir
yeah.
We're.
Definitely
not
california.
Our
waves
are
nowhere
nearly
as
good.
We
can't
find
a
decent
burrito
around
here,
like
we
got
out
there,
we're
not
the
same
as
california,
but
I
would
say
that
we
are
becoming
more
california-esque
when
it
comes
to
our
housing
prices.
F
There
is
a
house
around
the
corner
for
me
and
burns
downs
that
is
on
the
market
right
now
for
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Okay,
that's
the
kind
of
stuff
you
were
seeing
around
silicon
valley
about
a
decade
ago.
There
will
be
million
dollar
homes
in
burns
downs
within
a
few
years.
Okay,
so
when
I
say
we're
getting
like
california,
I
I
mean
that
from
a
real
estate
appreciation
perspective
and
we're
not
we're
not
on
the
same
trajectory
as
them.
F
I
mean
they've
got
industry,
I
mean
they've
got
different,
it's
a
different
deal
out
there,
but
there
are
similarities
here
with
our
housing,
affordability
problem
and
I
heard
councilman
waring.
I
actually
listened
to
your
quentin
interview.
Yesterday,
clinton
sent
it
to
me
and
you
were
mentioning
how
some
of
the
homes
in
your
district
were
were
going
from
200
to
300
to
400.
I'm
telling
you
guys
that
is
a
that
is
a
freight
train
that
is
moving
and
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
us.
F
There's
just
no
way
the
government
can
solve
our
way
out
of
this
problem
unless
there's
a
revolution
in
this
country
that
completely
turns
around
the
way
we
do
things
here.
It's
just
a
resource
standpoint.
We
just
don't
have
nearly
the
amount
of
resources
relative
to
the
scale
and
magnitude
of
the
problem.
So
my
my
opinion
is
just
that:
it's
not
about
getting
rid
of
what
we're
doing
already
it's
about,
supplementing
it
where
it
makes
sense.
You
know
elsewhere,
because
we're
going
to
need
to
come
up
with
new
ideas
and
new
approaches.
F
So
that's
all
real
long,
but
long
winded
way
of
saying
I
have
no
problem
with
the
dual
track.
Where
we
let
sort
of
the
you
know,
you
have
a
free
market
path,
but
if
you
want
to
take
advantage
of
some
of
the
benefits
that
the
city
has
to
offer
in
exchange
for
that,
you
have
to
do
some
deed,
restricted,
affordability,
no
problem
with
that.
We
already
do
that
with
various
other
mechanisms
within
our
city.
F
So
I
think
that's
a
natural
path
forward,
and
you
know
maybe
some
someone
smart
somewhere
could
study
the
city
of
charleston
and
these
two
tracks
and
we
can
learn
a
lot
more
over
the
next.
You
know
say
five
ten
years
or
so
as
to
how
you
know,
housing
affordability
works
and
what
doesn't-
and
we
can
just
continue
to
improve
our
processes
as
we
move
forward.
So
thank
y'all.
C
Thank
you,
councilmember
saccharin,
and
we
don't
disagree
with
you.
We
see
the
numbers,
we're
studying
those
and
we
see
the
changes
already
in
many
communities,
councilmember
mitchell.
What
I'd
recommend
to
the
committee
is
one
that
we
bring
back
data
for
you
all
at
the
next
cd
committee
of
city
council
meeting
to
address
those
questions
that
were
brought
forward
by
council
member
gregory.
C
We
can
also
then
bring
forth
a
dual
ordinance
if
you
will
or
an
ordinance
that
reflects
a
dual
tract
that
then
I
can
confer
with
both
lee
batch
helder
and
chip
mcqueeny
on,
so
that
we
actually
present
that
to
you
in
written
form,
so
that
you
all
can
see
that
and
then
you
have
the
full
breadth
of
the
information
that
you
have
brought
forward
or
that
we've
discussed
today
on
this
meeting.
Councilmember
mitchell.
Are
you.
B
C
B
So
what
we'll
do
we'll
really
we'll
just
defer
this
item
until
we
come
back
and
then
you
bring
those
information
and
then
we'll
go
from
that
crime.
A
Mr
mitchell
councilman
mitchell.
Yes,
sir
yeah,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
something
that
councilman
appel
said
regarding
you
know
african
americans,
whose
family
owned
property
and
this
adu
would
be
beneficial
et
cetera.
This
would
be
beneficial
across
the
board
because
there
are
just
as
many
non-african-americans
who
are
suffering
from
the
same
type
issues.
So
I
don't
want
this
to
be
cast
okay
as
an
african-american
issue
to
solve.
I
think
this
is
an
issue
to
solve
across
the
board.
B
Yes,
I
understand
councilman
greg.
We
want
to
make
it
a
broad
statement,
because
we
don't
want
people
to
come
up
to
say
that
we
are
looking
at
one.
We
don't
need
no
more
problems.
What
I'm
saying
so
so
councilman
wearing
it
there'll
be
a
move
on.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
H
One
of
the
things
in
your
incentive
package-
michelle
johnson,
is
you,
may
mention
of
you
know,
get
to
get
the
money
at
seal.
H
I
think
I
think
that
can
be
improved
upon,
because
if
I
struggle
and
get
this
thing
out
with
my
money,
I'm
gonna
say:
well,
you
know
what
man
I'm
gonna
rent
it
out,
whoever
I
want
to
rent
it
to.
If
the
city
helps
me
along
the
way,
I
would
think
it'd
be
one
suggestion
would
be
once
the
building
gets
to
be
50
50
completed.
Then
half
the
money
is
released
and
then
at
final
inspection
they
get
the
balance.
I.
H
Even
say,
ceo
and
I'll
tell
you
why?
Because
there's
a
period
of
time
between
final
inspections
longer
than
you
think
and
I'll
build
an
inspection
of
probably
being
able
to
get
a
ceo.
I
just
went
through
that
with
a
trying
to
help
a
constituent
who
had.
H
Final
inspections
and
trying
to
get
in
before
christmas-
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
long
it
took
them
to
get
the
right-
they
just
moved
in
and
took
the
chance
of
being
fined.
It
shouldn't
be
like
that,
so
at
once,
all
at
fifth,
our
billing
inspectors
are
going
by
seeing
this
building
go
up
so
once
they
get
to
the
point
to
where
they
can
close
the
walls.
H
I
I
don't
want
if
it's
twenty
thousand
out
of
or
ten
thousand
and
when
they
get
all
the
final
inspections
plumbing
heat
in
there
etc.
I
give
them
the
balance
of
the
10,
because,
let
me
tell
you
when
you
get
to
the
point
where
you've
gotten
all
your
final
inspection
from
all
the
building
inspectors,
the
money
has
been
spent.
H
So
I
think
you
want.
We
want
to
help
them
along
the
way
in
construction,
as
opposed
to
letting
them
get
100
completed
and
then
coming
trying
to
get
the
money
from
the
city.
B
Okay,
we
have
any
other
questions
and
we'll
have
this
deferred
until
the
next
meeting
and
we'll
I'll
get
to
miss
johnson
and
we'll
see
if
we
have
to
call
a
special
meeting
whatever
case,
maybe
once
all
the
information
is
acquired,
then
we
go
from
that
point.