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Description
City of Charleston Community Development Committee 11/12/2020
B
B
B
and
first
we're
going
to
start
with
the
invocation.
I'm
going
to
do
a
short
short
invocation.
Actually
me
by
our
heads
god,
you
are
our
strength,
pull
us
with
your
hand
in
our
weakness
and
teach
our
hearts
to
fly
with
you
there's
nothing
to
fear
nothing
to
worry
about
pull
us
tight
in
your
embrace,
so
so
that
we
can
be
stronger
than
the
challenges
in
our
life
amen,
amen.
B
We'll
move
on
to
proof
of
administrations
have
been
deferred,
so
we
are
going
to
old
businesses.
We
have
two
items
under
old
business.
The
first
one
is
a
request
for
approval
of
a
resolution
certifying
property
located
at
22
and
a
half
mary
street
and
the
second
one.
We
have
ordinance
supporting
minimum
parking
requirements.
So
we
go
with
number
one.
First,
on
the
old
business
who's
going
to
be
explaining
that.
I
I
We
require
the
applicants
for
these
to
provide
information
that
the
property
complies
with
the
definition
of
an
abandoned
building
and
an
abandoned
building
site
under
the
act.
Here
they
submitted
an
affidavit
from
mr
carru
who
lives
at
24
meeting
street.
I
mean
24
mary
street
and
has
for
I
believe,
42
years,
and
they
have
to
show
that
at
least
66
percent
of
the
building
has
been
non-operational
for
income
producing
purposes
and
mr
carew
or
keru
did
certify
that
in
the
affidavit
and
then
they
attach
their
plans
for
the
site.
I
I
I
B
B
K
B
Got
it
got
it?
Thank
y'all,
yeah,
we're
just
approving
it
here,
and
it's
going
to
full
console,
okay,
all
in
for
all,
but
by
saying
aye,
hi,
hi,
hi
opposers,
guys,
okay.
Secondly,
we're
going
we'll
move
around
down
to
number
two,
the
ordinance
supporting
minimum
parking
requirements.
That's
your
two
chip.
A
C
K
But
really
this
effort
all
arises
out
of
a
desire
to
help
address
the
the
vacancy
problem
on
king
street,
not
just
ground
level
floors,
but
second
and
third
stories
as
well.
We
we
all
know
that
this
is
an
issue
and,
frankly
it's
an
issue
that
predated
cove.
That,
of
course,
covet
has
exacerbated
this
issue,
like
it's
exacerbated
a
lot
of
things,
but
it
shows
that
there's
some
work.
We
have
to
do
from
a
regulatory
standpoint
to
create
a
ecosystem
that
is
more
conducive
to
not
just
businesses
but
small
businesses.
K
So,
right
now
you
know
opening
a
new
business
or
establishing
residential
use
on
these.
Second
and
third
stories
is
tied
to
minimum
parking
requirements.
These
minimum
parking
requirements,
I
believe,
came
into
the
city.
Zoning
ordinance
in
around
the
1960s
a
lot
of
these
buildings
on
king
street
predate
that
by
over
a
century.
K
So
what
ends
up
happening
in
practices
is
that
folks
have
to
in
order
to
open
up
a
restaurant
in
order
to
activate
one
of
these
vacancies,
they
have
to
come
to
the
city
with
parking,
either
through
purchasing
leasing
or
exceptions
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
and
other
related
processes.
These
are
all
extremely
expensive,
unpredictable,
time-consuming
issues
and
it
hurts
businesses,
particularly
small
businesses.
It
makes
it
more
difficult
for
people
to
live
on
king
street
and
to
help
support
businesses
on
king
street.
K
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
something
that
is
not
unprecedented.
In
fact,
it
is
the
overwhelming
trend
not
just
nationally
but
here
in
the
southeast,
for
for
jurisdictions
to
remove
these
parking
minimum
requirements
in
their
commercial
cores,
to
allow
the
city
to
develop
and
to
thrive
and
to
help
reduce
these
vacancies
and
other
negative
issues
that
stem
from
the
vacancies
on
king
street.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
cut
some
red
tape.
K
Make
it
easier
for
businesses
to
operate,
make
it
easier
for
people
to
live
on
king
street,
and
we
can
do
it
in
a
way
that
doesn't
adversely
impact
neighborhoods.
The
city
has
a
tremendous
amount
of
parking
garages,
we're
in
the
parking
business
guys
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
this
can
work.
We've
got
all
kinds
of
options
for
people
these
days
with
uber
and
bikes,
and
you
know
pedestrian.
I
mean
we're
not
living
in
a
fully
auto
dependent
world.
K
C
C
I
think
that's
a
work
in
progress,
but
council
member
petal
really
summed
up
what
I
was
going
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
brief
information
on.
We
have
been
asked
to
study
the
the
parking
minimum
requirements
for
the
city.
Central
business
district
next
slide,
meg,
please
and
as
councilmember
appel
mentioned,
and
I'm
sure
you
all
know
this.
The
zoning
ordinance
requires
certain
a
certain
number
of
parking
spaces
for
businesses.
For
example,
a
retail
shop
on
king
street
will
need
to
provide
one
parking
space
for
400
square
feet
of
gross
floor
area.
C
They
provide
those
parking
spaces
either
by
renting
a
nearby
lot
or
renting
spaces
in
a
garage
as
long
as
they're
within
400
feet
of
that
business,
they
have
to
enter
a
10-year
long-term
lease
if
they
don't
have
parking
on
their
on
their
own
property
or
they
go
to
variance
routes.
So
it's
it's.
It's
a
cumbersome
process.
We've
been
dealing
with
this
process
for
years,
we've
had
lots
of
variances.
C
We
also
realize
that
we
have
to
manage
our
parking
requirements
also
along
with
what
our
neighborhoods
need
and
other
livability
components
before
I
turn
it
over
to
meg.
I
did
just
want
to
remind
you
in
2018
the
end
of
2018
early
2019,
the
city
of
charleston,
department
of
traffic
and
transportation
did
conduct
a
charleston,
comprehensive
parking
study.
Kimberly
horn
was
the
consultant
on
that
and
that
parking
study
had
several
recommendations.
It
said
improve
your
parking
management,
improve
your
parking
technology.
C
Also
revisit
your
codes,
improve
your
codes,
bring
your
codes
up
to
date,
make
sure
you
have
right
size,
parking
requirements.
It
also
said
you
know
specifically
review
your
parking
requirements
on
the
peninsula,
especially
your
commercial
mixed
uses
districts.
It
said
think
about
allowing
parking
to
be
further
away
from
the
businesses
that
works
for
other
cities
in
charleston.
L
Thank
you
mandy,
as
mandy
was
just
saying,
we've
heard
from
several
folks
that
parking
is
a
concern,
especially
downtown.
It
can
be
hard
to
come
by.
So
we
did
some
outreach
to
other
cities
what
they
do
about
this
in
total
we
reached
out
to
about
24
cities-
and
we
heard
back
from
about
half
of
them
of
those
12
about
83
percent,
said
that
they
had
either
eliminated
their
minimum
parking
requirements
for
their
downtown
area
or
they
had
lessened
those
requirements.
L
So
some
key
themes
came
out
of
that
research.
This
is
something
that's
happening
in
the
southeast.
We
saw
a
lot
of
our
neighboring
cities
have
done
something
about
this
and
that
can
look
different
depending
on
the
city.
So,
for
example,
some
had
exceptions
for
certain
uses
like
beaufort
south
carolina.
L
L
Also
people
have
come
to
this
change
at
different
times.
Some
people
have
had
it
for
a
long
time.
Colombia
has
not
had
parking
requirements
in
their
main
street
district
for
about
50
years
and
then,
if
some
more
reason,
the
north
charleston
in
2016
and
2019
took
steps
to
remove
parking
requirements
in
areas
where
buildings
were
developed
at
a
time
where
people
built
up
to
the
lot
line
and
usually
used
on-street
parking.
L
H
L
Sure
so
a
lot
of
the
cities
we
talked
to
was
a
process.
There
was
a
lot
of
community
involvement,
making
sure
that
people
felt
comfortable
each
step
of
the
way
and
a
lot
of
education
around
residential
parking
programs
and
and
making
sure
that
neighborhoods
felt
protected.
As
this
transition
was
made.
H
B
B
The
people
are
still
complaining
on
ray
street
they're
still
complaining,
and
you
know,
because
they're
renting
places
from
different
from
the
church,
if
you
made
wallingford
church
if
you're
made,
but
there's
still
not
enough,
so
they
are
parking
all
in
the
community
and
the
people
in
the
community
can't
park
where
they
live.
They
have
to
park
distance
and
watch
even
on
something
street
where
former
councilman
lewis
lived,
they
have
that
street
fill
up
and
they
walk
around
the
corner.
So
these
are
the
things
that
I'm
kind
of
thinking
about.
B
Even
when
you
get
down
to
further
down
on
king
street
across
spring
street,
you
get
into
the
ellieberry
county
borough
area,
and
you
know
how
they're
complaining
and
and
they'll
be
calling
me
pertaining
to
it,
because
the
people
are
parking
in
the
community
and
coming
out.
So
these
are
the
kind
of
things
I'm
kind
of
looking
at.
Even
with
this
new
change
to
be
looking
at.
Is
you
have
to
get
into
that
community
and
find
what
they
think
about
it
and
take
it
to
them
too?
B
Also,
so
we
so
they
wouldn't
come
back
to
the
council
members
and
get
all
beat
up
by
by
the
community
before
before
these
things
are
done,
because
I
know
what's
going
to
happen,
you
know-
and
that's
that's
my
only
problem
with
it.
I
know
we
need
to
make
some
changes,
but
we
don't
want
to
make
changes
and
overrun
the
community.
Now
they
have
a
problem.
Then
we
have
then
they
have
come
back
to
the
city
with
another
problem,
and
then
we
have
to
try
to
deal
with
that.
B
So
we
need
to
get
with
the
communities.
That's
as
budding
those
areas
like
early
bird
cannon,
borough,
radcliff,
racklef
borrower.
You
know
even
the
those
to
take
those
two
in
particular
and
find
you
know
how
and
give
them
input
on
it,
and
so
they
can
give
some
input
back
to
see
what
they
feel
about
all
this
too.
L
E
E
Fantastic
okay,
so
this
is
a
calhoun
street
coming
across
the
peninsula
right
here
right
and
what
we're
showing
on
this
map
in
the
light.
Green
is
the
area
within
a
three-minute
walk
of
our
city
parking
decks
from
the
the
parking
decks
like
the
marion
squad,
the
francis
marion
parking
deck
to
the
parking
decks.
The
city
owns
on
st
phillip
city
owns
the
property
at
wentworth.
Here
the
market
street.
I
mean
the
charleston
place
deck
here
and
a
few
others
around
downtown.
E
So
you
can
see
how
the
middle
king
area
from
calhoun
this
is
king
street
from
calhoun
to
market
is
really
saturated,
with
parking
decks
around
it
and
has
good
access
a
three
minute
walk.
That
means
any
business
in
this
area
is
a
three
minute
walk
from
an
existing
parking
deck.
Now
I
just
jumped
ahead
here.
I
didn't
mean
to
do
that,
but
this
is
so.
This
is
the
these.
E
Are
the
city
decks
and
some
of
these
other
colors
here
the
dots
are
privately
owned,
decks
that
have
parking
available
at
different
times
of
the
day,
typically
evenings,
but
but
not
always,
and
then
that,
if
you
add
those
in
which
is
what
we're
showing
on
this
next
one,
the
whole
area
that
is
within
proximity
to
a
parking
deck
really
extends
all
the
way
down
market
street
and
really
down
the
lower
parts
of
king
street
to
broad
street
as
well.
The
situations
council
member
mitchell
was
talking
about
further
up
king.
E
Those
definitely
aren't
addressed
via
this
type
of
situation,
because
the
parking
decks
aren't
in
that
area
of
town,
okay,
but
in
this
area
of
town
you
definitely
have
good
access
to
parking
decks.
That
generally,
as
per
the
parking
study
that
the
city
had
done
a
few
years
ago,
the
the
decks
definitely
have
some
capacity
in
them.
So
this
was
something
we
wanted.
Everybody
to
see
is
how
close
all
these
decks
were
to
these
areas
that
we're
talking
about
okay,.
E
M
M
Mr
morgan,
is
this
being
done
as
an
overlay,
or
I
could
see
where
this
could
work,
obviously
in
this
area,
but
I
could
see
if
that
were
to
grow,
but
we'd
be
getting
we'll
be
getting
shelves
from
now
on.
It's
got
an
infrastructure
around
with
the
parking
garages
etc
and
short
walks.
I
I
see
your
point,
but
how
are
we
doing
this
to
keep
away
from
spot
zone.
E
C
I
I
can
comment
a
little
bit
on
it
and
I
think
councilmember
rappel
has
already
had
some
thoughts
on
this
too.
So
I
hope
I'm
not
stealing
his
number.
I
think
you
know
we
were
thinking
that
we
could
write
an
exception
into
the
parking
section
of
the
zoning
ordinance
that
would
identify
you
know
what
sections
of
king
street,
or
which
portions
of
certain
streets
could
be
exempt
from
this
requirement.
C
You
know
we
could
start
really
big
or
we
could
start
with
more
of
this
pilot
project
where
we
know
you
know,
neighborhoods
aren't
quite
as
close
to
middle
king.
You've
got
more
of
a
buffer
with
the
college
there
to
your
west
and
then
to
the
east.
You
know
it's
more
commercial,
so
you
know
there
are
a
couple
approaches
we
could
take
with
that,
but
I
think
what
we
wanted
to
do
today,
because
you
all
know
zoning
ordinances
can
be
complicated
or
they
can
be
simple.
C
We
want
them
to
be
simple,
those
amendments,
but
they
still
even
if
they're
simple
amendments
they
require
time
to
research
and
think
through
and
kind
of
you
know
blow
holes
into
to
make
sure
they
work.
But,
like
council
member
mitchell
said
too,
whatever
ordinance
we
write,
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
it
the
right
way.
So
if
we
need
to
do
some,
some
outreach-
or
you
know
just
some
additional
critical
thinking
about
these
ordinances,
we
want
to
be
prepared,
because
if
we,
if
we
put
an
ordinance
forward,
we
want
it
to
be
successful.
C
M
You
know
it
doesn't
have
the
infrastructure
around
with
all
these
parking
spots,
and
you
know
within
three
minutes,
like
you
think
three
minutes
walking
distance.
So
that's
why
I
can
see
where
this
can
work
in
a
targeted
area.
But,
my
goodness,
if
you
know
you
know
five
years
from
now,
you
know
you
know
we
got
a
new,
a
new
man,
a
new
council.
You
know
eight
years
and
a
new
man,
new
council,
and
this
with
a
girl.
M
H
What
I'm
thinking
about
is
the
whole
the
rutledge
avenue
corridor,
okay,
which
is
growing
with
cafes
and
small
shops,
etc,
etc,
of
which
this
probably
wouldn't
fit
without
having
the
infrastructure,
as
councilman
waring
just
said.
So
I
would
like
do
we
have
any
information
on
what
kind
of
dollars
would
be
generated
from
a
fee
in
lua.
H
E
And
councilman
gregory,
if
I
could
just
add,
I
think,
in
the
situations
we're
talking
about
in
reference
to
you-
know
encouraging
small
businesses
in
filling
these
buildings
on
king
street.
We
aren't
talking
about
a
huge
number
of
spaces.
The
typical
variants,
as
you
see
on
these
are
like
four
spaces
or
ten
spaces
or
twelve
spaces,
and
if
our
fee
in
lieu
you
know,
I
I
don't
know
what
other
cities
charge.
But
I
would
just
imagine
it's
gonna,
be
tough
to
generate
a
whole
lot
with
this
type
of
a
program
here
now,
overall,
longer
term.
E
If
we
look
at
fee
and
lou
as
a
partial
resolution
on
some
of
our
parking
issues
in
broader
areas
of
the
city,
I
absolutely
think
when
you're
talking
about
new
construction
or
complete
new
project,
that
that
is
something
that
can
definitely
generate
a
lot
of
money.
But
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
that,
in
a
situation
like
we're
talking
about
here
in
king
street,
like
refilling,
existing
existing
spaces.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
really
appreciate
all
of
this
conversation
and,
and
you
know,
sharing
of
ideas.
I
I
I
personally
just
resonate
with
the
the
the
target
market
that
we're
trying
to
serve
right
now.
I
I
think
it's
a
crime.
You
know
my
my
my
life
with
the
national
trust
for
historic
preservation
was
all
about
main
street
and
it
was
all
about
making
the
whole
building
on
a
main
street.
G
You
know
come
to
life
again
so
apartments
and
using
all
of
the
stories
in
these
in
these
very
you
know
unique
places
of
our
of
our
commercial
district.
So
I
I
don't
think
we
should
get
ourselves
too
wrapped
up
in
what
we
could
do
into
the
future,
as
we
know
that
other
neighborhoods,
like
rutledge
avenue
or
growing,
into
entertainment
districts,
I
do
feel
like
that,
would
take
a
whole
different
kind
of
focus
and
a
different
approach
and
yeah.
G
Let's,
let's
try
to
grab
some
revenue
from
people
who
are
just
starting
out,
but
if
we're
really
trying
to
fill
that
the
amazingly
you
know
cohesive
buildings
on
this
part
of
middle
king
as
as
councilmember
mitchell
is
talking
about
it,
then
let's
just
do
it
and
make
it
easy,
make
it
as
as
inexpensive
and
as
attractive
and
incentivizing
as
we
possibly
can
so
that
each
one
of
those
buildings
is
put
to
the
absolute
best
use
and
brings
back
king
street.
I
I
think
that
we've
got
the
focus
right
here
include
market.
G
I
mean
I
like
all
the
little
places
where
you
said:
it's
a
three-minute
walk
to
parking
and
let's
just
make
that
unique,
and
and
do
it
and
then
brag
about
it
and
then
see
what
the
rest
of
the
city
you
know
can
evolve
to
be,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
try
to
solve
all
those
problems.
We
can't
imagine
that
in
eight
years
you
know
that
that
people
will
really
be
changing
their
mobility
lifestyle.
I've
seen
that
myself
in
the
places
where
I've
lived.
G
Not
here
and
it
happens,
it
happens
overnight
with
the
change
of
of
a
generation
who
gets
out
of
their
cars,
so
I
I
don't
think
we
should
be
trying
to
even
think
you
know
way
way
into
the
long
term.
As
we
see
the
neighborhoods
change
in
the
way
that
the
market
and
the
and
the
residents
are,
you
know,
desire
it.
Let's
do
this
one
right,
I
joined
councilmember,
appel
and
saying:
let's
just
do
it
please.
M
I
hear
your
council
lady,
but
oftentimes
we
do
things
without
the
infrastructure
we
build
subdivisions,
mega
subdivisions
offer
two
lane
highways
and
guess
what
people
buy
the
houses
and
then
they
complain
about
the
traffic.
This
is
a
unique
opportunity
here
I
mean
look
at
the
dots
here
that
represent
parking
parking
garages.
You
know
both
public
and
private.
M
M
If
you
know
people
are
going
to
be
ubering
as
opposed
to
parking
in
a
garage
and
taking
that
three-minute
walk
to
go
to
a
restaurant
or
a
bar
or
whatever.
So
that's
why
I'm
cautioning
not
so
much
here,
I'm
cautioning
going
in
other
locations
without
this
infrastructure
already
being
there
because
parking
garages
to
support
that.
M
H
Some
of
it's
short-term
rental
and-
and
I
agree
with
councilman
jackson,
but
I
also
think
that
we've
got
to
be
very
thoughtful
okay
and
not
make
any
decisions
in
haste.
I
support
it.
It
looks
great
okay,
but
whatever
we
do
is
going
to
be
precedent.
Setting
and
others
will
be
asking
to
do
the
same
thing
without
even
the
infrastructure
in
place.
H
B
Yeah-
and
I
support
that
area
too,
when
he's
talking
about
south
of
calhoun
street,
because
even
with
the
committee,
you
know
the
central
business
district
committee,
we
were
talking
about
these
same
the
same
area
all
the
time
and
that
area.
I
know
they
have
a
lot
of
parking
garages
and
parking
places
in
that
particular
area
that
if
we
can
get
the
people
to
go
to
there's
a
lot
of
parking
rods
in
that
particular
area.
B
Now
the
only
thing
I'm
alluding
to
is
we
got
be
careful
me
talking
about
this
zoning
that
particular
area.
I
mean
one
time
a
couple
of
time
on
council
way
back
when
when
we
try
to
do
something
like
something
like
that
and
zone
one
air
and
didn't
zone
the
other
area,
the
justice
department
came
in
and
stopped
us,
so
we
have
to
look
at
it
very
carefully
how
we
do
it
and
how
we're
going
to
write
it
up
and
how
it's
going
to
be
implemented.
B
That
particular
way,
because
the
justice
department
jump
on
your
quick
someone
come
back
and
complain
and
said:
oh
they
spot
zoning
in
the
city
of
charleston.
Then
that's
what
happened?
A
couple
years
ago
on
council,
and
so
but
I
support
that
particular
area
there,
because
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
parking
in
that
particular
area.
It's
not
even
being
utilized
garages
right,
not
being
utilized
like
it
should.
B
So
if
we
can
get
those
particular
businesses
to
do
to
use
those
garages
and
the
people
to
use
those
garages-
and
it
could
make
sense,
but
now
we
have
to
get
them
to
use
it
and
they're
still
not
parking
like
they
are
parking
now
utilize.
It
that's
going
to
be
another
thing:
we're
going
to
have
to
try
to
push
to
that
point.
Also.
M
M
I
know
that
so
that
that's
why
I
mean
if
you
tied
the
district
to
certain
amount
of
garages
and,
like
you
say
three
minute
in
this
case
three
minute
walking
distance
so
before
you
can
go
and
create
another
one.
You
definitely
don't
want
to
create
one
without
repeating
with
that
infrastructure
being
in
place,
but
I
think
this
is
great
in
this
area
right
here
yeah.
I.
B
D
D
D
C
C
So
that's
just
and
that's
just
been
the
way
that
america
has
thought
for
for
so
long,
and
I
think
just
now
not
just
now,
but
in
the
last
couple
of
decades
when
people
are
realizing
that
main
streets
were
dying
and
they
were
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
revitalize
main
street
and
how
to
use
multiple
stories
and
buildings
in
these
beautiful
main
streets
or
or
small
main
streets
or
walkable
main
streets.
That's
when
you
know
I
think
cities
started
to
to
analyze
their
parking
codes
and
parking
requirements.
D
D
But
I
think
historically,
you
need
to
look
at
how
charleston
really
was
formed
and
how
these
buildings
were
constructed.
They
weren't
constructed
with
these
parking
requirements
in
there
in
the
first
place
and
now
we're
trying
to
put
this
square
pagan
around
whole
situation
for
the
past
40
something
years,
and
it's
been
a
it's
going
to
excuse
me
my
fridge,
but
it's
been
a
pain
in
the
ass.
It
really
has
been,
and
I
don't
think
it's
accomplished
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
so.
F
F
We
would
proceed
with
it,
be
it
a
overlay
district
or
a
zoning
amendment
or
whatever,
and
maybe
I
think
the
closest
of
examples
to
us
would
be
savannah
and
I'm
very
interested
in
the
fee
and
lou,
but
I
must
say
right
now
addressing
the
issue
of
vacancy
on
king
street.
I
don't
want
to
make
this
super
expensive
on
anybody.
We
want
this
to
be
an
incentive
to
fill
those
spaces
right
now,
but
long
term.
If
we
go
keep
something
like
this,
the
fee
in
lieu
is
attractive,
I
think
to
to
us
so
anyway.
F
B
K
No,
I
I
don't
think
so,
and
I
agree
with
everything
the
mayor
just
said
and
frankly
I
agree
with
almost
everything
everybody
said
tonight.
What
I
do
think,
though,
is
that
at
this
point
you
know
this
has
been
before
the
cd
committee
twice.
I
do
think
that,
at
this
point
I
think
staff
has
enough
direction
to
start
working
on
some
ordinances
engaging
with
the
community,
and
at
this
point
I
think
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
take
it.
K
K
I
I
don't
think
so,
because
you
know
there's
dozens
of
zoning
ordinances
that
go
on
a
planning
commission
agenda
every
month
that
never
see
the
cd
committee,
and
I
don't
you
know.
I
think
that
this
has
already
received
more
overview
from
this
committee
than
most
zoning
changes
that
happen.
I'm
and
again,
I'm
not
trying
to
throw
any
shade
on
the
cd
committee.
K
We're
doing
great
work
here
this
if
this
becomes
a
reality,
it's
because
of
the
work
that
was
done
in
this
committee,
but
you
know
you
know
under
our
under
our
statutes.
You
know
the
planning
and
zoning
process
has
run
through
the
staff,
the
planning
commission,
then,
of
course
we
get
to
see
it
at
council
and
we
have
the
opportunity
to
further
engage
in
that
process.
I
just
want
to
get
this
thing
moving,
but
but
you
know
maybe
we
can
have
another
pit
stop
at
the
cd
committee.
K
B
H
H
At
a
minimum
to
do
something,
but
I'm
just
saying
if
somehow,
as
we
develop
the
the
ordinance,
if
somehow
we
can
do
the
link
and
there
there
are
lots
of
units.
Okay
above
many
of
these
commercial
spaces
and
to
me,
is
just
insane
that
they're
not
rented
in
order
for
us
to
create
a
living
in
a
vibrant,
downtown
right,
correct.
If
somehow
we
can
link
know
how
creative
you
can
be
some
part
or
some
portion,
okay
of
those
many
units
to
be
affordable.
B
G
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
a
procedural
thing.
I
agree
with
councilmember
appel.
I
think
that
our
committee
here
has
done
its
work
in
support
of
as
a
more
than
just
a
concept.
I
mean
we
we've
agreed
on
the
location
and
the
methodology,
whether
it
be
an
overlay
or
some
sort
of
exception
to
the
parking
code.
G
I
Mcqueen,
oh,
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
think
I
can
work
with
mandy
and
meg
and
christopher
and
councilman
rappel.
Whoever
else
wants
to
be
involved
on
you
know,
drafting
ordinance
fairly
quickly.
Getting
it
before
you
to
review
right
seems
fairly
simple,
different
ways
you
can
go,
but
we
can
come
up
with
a
recommendation.
M
Listen,
I
let's
procedure,
I
I
think
the
suggestion
councilman
fell
came
up
with
trying
to
move
it
along
on
a
dual
path.
I
agree
with
that,
but
I
definitely
agree
with
you
that
it
should
come
back
and
councilman
greg.
Come
back
to
this
community
development
committee
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
we're
trying
to
commit
create
community
communities
above
these
retail
rights,
so
we're
not
going
to
bring
the
final
version
back
to
the
committee
that
reports
up
to
council.
B
B
A
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
councilmember
mitchell
and
members
of
the
city
committee
of
city
council.
What
I
am
bringing
before
you
tonight
is
basically
a
request.
Supporting
what
we
have
outlined
is
a
proposed
action
based
on
funding
the
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
has
indicated
they
will.
They
will
award
to
the
city
to
provide
additional
assistance
to
those
folks
adversely
impacted
by
covet
19
and
the
pandemic
that
our
country
is
experiencing
right
now.
The
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
is
awarding
the
city
an
additional
1
million,
145
752
dollars
and
again.
A
A
A
Typically,
we
spend
our
money
a
lot
faster
than
the
time
allotted,
but
that
is
the
time
frame,
and
I
mentioned
that
because,
if
we're
looking
at
acquiring,
it
also
gives
us
time
to
ensure
that
whatever
we
acquired,
it
has
the
appropriate
building
constructed
on
it.
So
it
actually
meets
the
intended
need
along
with
approving
this
funding.
Of
course,
we
are
also
required
to
do
an
amendment
to
our
five-year
consolidated
plan,
and
so
I
am
asking
your
approval
of
those
two
things
this
evening
and
I'll
take
any
questions.
Councilmember.
B
H
B
E
E
And
so
I
believe
mr
mcqueen
has
drafted
a
potential
ordinance.
Of
course,
a
big
player
in
all
this
would
need
to
be
charleston
county,
which
I
don't
think
at
present
has
addressed
this
and
I
don't
think
councilman
brady
is
on
the
call
is
on
the
committee
meeting
tonight.
So
I'm
going
to
kind
of
keep
going
on
this
a
little
bit,
but
but
other
folks,
please
chime
in.
If
you
want.
I
was
just
going
to
focus
a
little
bit
on
john's
island,
real
quickly
about
the
urban
growth
boundary
there,
of
course,
with
john's
island.
E
The
urban
growth
boundary
is
shown
in
this
image
in
green,
and
you
know,
we've
got
the
vast
majority
of
john's
island
is
outside
the
urban
growth
boundary.
The
vast
majority
of
areas
outside
the
urban
growth
boundary
are
counting.
So
if
it
were
going
to
move
since
the
city
doesn't
really
annex
outside
the
urban
growth
boundary
anymore,
if
it
were
going
to
move,
it
would
be
a
county
issue
of
moving
it,
because
the
things
that
are
in
the
city
are
generally
inside
it
so
again
pointing
out
the
importance
of
the
county
being
part
of
it.
E
Those
of
you,
I
think
some
of
you
were
on
our
council
back
in
2007
when
we
had
a
long
savannah
issue
and
at
that
time
the
city
adopted
criteria
for
moving
an
urban
growth
boundary
and
they
were
made
a
part
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
there's
a
whole
range
of
them.
I
know
the
picture
images
are
on
top
of
them
on
this
slide
here,
but
basically
the
urban
growth
boundary
for
it
to
be
able
to
move.
You
have
to
meet
all
this
criteria
and
show
that
the
housing
that's
inside
the
urban
growth
boundary.
E
E
These
were
actually
done
for
the
long
savannah
development
and,
of
course,
it
met
the
criteria
in
large
part
because
it
was
creating
a
permanent
edge
on
the
outside
of
the
urban
growth
boundary
out
there,
which
was
the
long
savanna
or
the
park
that
the
county
park
and
recreation
commission
created,
and
I'm
gonna
show
you
an
image
on
that.
This
is
just
some
of
our
applications
that
we
have
that
people
have
to
answer
these
questions
about
moving
the
urban
growth
boundary.
E
E
B
G
Sorry
to
break
in
after
mr
morgan,
but
I
I
I
know
that
councilmember
brady
is
not
on.
I
don't
think
he
was
able
to
break
away
from
his
day
job
and
if,
if
I
could
just
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
to
the
focus
of
this,
and
why
why
we
are
proposing
that
the
city
will
will
adopt
an
ordinance
I
I
would
just
like
to
give
the
cd
committee
a
little
background
on
that
I've
been
having
the
pleasure
of
sitting
in
john's
island
task
force.
G
Actually,
since
mr
brady
was
elected
to
the
council,
because
there
wasn't
any
represent
representation
from
a
a
sea
island
district
member,
so
I've
learned
a
lot
about
the
goals
of
of
the
the
preservationists,
the
conservationists,
the
current
residents
of
johns
island
in
particular,
but
I
also
can
really
relate
it
to
the
things
that
I'm
perpetually
concerned
about
on
james
island
in
terms
of
future
development
opportunities
and,
what's
still
remaining
farmland
on
the
south
part
of
james
island.
So
I've
learned
a
lot
on
that
basis.
I
I
think
really.
M
I
I
believe
on
john's
island
and
correct
me
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong
that
it's
it,
we
do
have
an
agreement
on
it
like
where
the
where
the
boundary
is.
I
you
know.
I
was
looking
at
my
notes
and
somebody
had
sent
me
a
template
in
february
of
this
year
and
I
had
prepared
a
draft
mou
with
the
county
in
february
of
this
year.
That
kind
of
goes
through,
and
you
know,
says
this-
is
the
urban
growth
boundary
if
either
party
before
any
party
will
violate.
I
I
I
think
here
the
idea
is
that
the
county
and
the
city
would
be.
You
know
on
the
same
page
with
everything
I
did
check
the
map
when
I,
when
I
looked
at
this
the
first
time-
and
I
think
there
there's
a
very
small
area
on
john's
island
within
the
town
of
hollywood
and,
of
course,
there's.
You
know,
you
know
rockville's
contiguous
to
to
john's
island
or
contiguous
to
something
that's
contiguous
john's.
I
There
are
other
municipalities
that
don't
seem
to
have
a
any
desire
to.
You
know,
take
out
a
huge
part
of
rural
john's
island,
but
those
you
know
best
case
scenario:
you'd
have
all
municipalities
on
board
because
you
you
just
never
know
when
somebody
wants
to
become
the
next
big
municipality,
but
really
the
two
players
are
the
county
in
the
city.
Right
now,.
M
Right,
yeah
right,
this
has
been
so
successful
over
the
years.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
the
city
has
ever
violated
the
urban
door,
foundry
line
and
same
thing
with
the
county,
and
the
problem
is
when
you,
as
you
illustrated
out
I'll
name,
one
obviously
north
charleston.
They
don't
recognize
the
urban
growth
boundary
line
and
they
you
know,
seeking,
in
my
opinion,
violated
by
jumping
up
there
above
my
magnolia
and
middleton
gardens
up
there.
So
I'm
just
kind
of
I'm
sitting
here
thinking
well.
This
thing
has
worked
great
between
the
city
and
the
county.
I
I
think
it's
just
to
formalize
an
agreement
so
that
you
know
everybody
has
something
in
writing
with
the
understanding
of
what
we're
going
to
do
as
opposed
to
leaving
it
each
each
jurisdiction
to
put
in
their
comprehensive
plan
or
donating
orders,
what
they're
going
to
do
and
be
able
to
change
it
without
consulting
with
the
other
jurisdiction.
I
think
that's
the
main
point.
Yeah.
I
So
all
not
only
the
municipalities
but
the
utilities
that
potentially
would
serve
there.
And
it's
just
a
I
mean
what
it
says.
It
is
it's,
a
memorandum
of
understanding
that
nobody's
gonna
nobody's
gonna
over
develop
this
area.
Without
you
know,
consultation,
at
least
with
the
other
jurisdictions
or
following
a.
B
H
E
M
Mr
chairman,
I
actually
think
I
think
a
full
explanation
of
what's
actually
in
place
needs
to
be
given
to
councilman
brady,
and
you
know
councilwoman
jackson.
I
don't
think
she
some
of
the
things
mr
mcqueen
just
said,
having
to
get
permission
from
cws,
st
john's
water,
commission,
council
of
governments.
Obviously
the
county,
the
city,
gentlemen,
man,
you
talk
about
heavy
lifting,
going
develop
on
the
outside
of
this
thing.
How
long?
Mr
morgan?
Has
this
been
in
place?
Coming
close
to
20
years.
M
Right
and
it
hadn't
been
violated,
and
you
know,
and
all
that
time
one
time
that
I
can
think
of
man,
but
so
anyway,
we
we
respected
just
to
show
you.
I
forget
the
name
of
that.
Mr
morgan
helped
me
out
out
in
the
ravennaire
area.
It
was
a
big
old
subdivision
of
about
400
houses
that
popular
growth-
that
was
the
name
of
the
popular
growth,
wanted
to
violate
the
urban
growth
boundary
line,
and
those
are,
you
know,
would
have
been
400
more.
M
Well,
anyway,
the
county
wouldn't
do
it,
so
they
ended
up
doing
something
with
dorchester,
but
it's
not
as
big
as
it
would
have
been
had
we
run
water
and
sewer
out
there
with
come
from
the
city
of
charleston,
so
there's
great
respect
for
what
we
have
in
place
right
now.
I
just.
I
think
they
would
do
better
to
have
an
orientation
on
what's
actually
in
place,
but
anyway,
and
even
the
johns
holland,
whatever
commission,
that
they
own
out
there
councilman,
brady
and
jackson.
M
B
Yeah,
I
know
we
worked
on
this
a
long
time.
It
was
a
lot
of
fight
to
get
this
approved.
We
worked
on
this
thing
a
lot
since
I've
been
on
council
with
this
urban
book
boundary
from
john's
island.
I
think
some
of
the
people,
some
of
my
colleagues,
was
getting
tired.
Hearing
me
saying
about
how
long
my
family
was
living
on
john's
island.
B
This
was
going
through
a
long
time.
You
know,
and
so
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
believe
we
don't
want
to
get
into
a
fight,
I'm
nothing
with
the
county
to
lose
that
relationship.
We
have
with
this,
so
I
think
all
the
entities
involved.
I
think
you
need
to
have
another.
They
need
to
have
another
meeting
with
them
and
probably
trying
to
work
this
thing
out,
because
I
don't
want
to
cause
it.
We
don't
want
to
cause
any
problems.
What
I'm
saying.
F
F
You
know
it
and
it
might
be
more
of
a
feel-good
thing.
I
know
as
as
as
mayor,
I
I
feel
like
I
would
do
the
same
thing
you
just
described,
councilmember
warren,
that
mayor
reilly
did
I
I've
pledged
personally
that
to
honor
the
urban
growth
boundary,
and
I
hadn't
had
the
opportunity
now
in
five
years
to
even
have
to
make
that
decision.
So
it
doesn't
seem
like
some
compelling
problem
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
I
do
believe
for
whatever
reason.
F
The
the
members
of
this
responsible
group
feels
like
this
course
would
give
them
some
further
assurance
and
be
a
good
good
policy
statement.
So
so
that's
what
it
is
in
my
view,
you
know
for
for
us
to
move
forward,
would
show
some
some
leadership
to
the
county.
The
other
approach
would
just
make
sure
that
the
other
partners,
you
know,
are
hand
in
hand
with
us
before
we
take
the
step.
M
Well,
mr
chairman,
I
hear
you,
mr
man,
I
agree
with
all
of
that,
but
if
we're
gonna
do
it,
I
don't
think
we
do
it
unilaterally.
Let's
call
the
other
stakeholders
and
have
them
poke
their
head
in
the
huddle
too,
because
I
mean
the
council
of
governments,
saint
john's
water,
commission
cws,
there
are
some
other
ones.
You
call
mr
mcqueen,
but
I
think
the
reason
it's
worked
so
well
is
because
we
had
that
confluence
of
agreement
with
those
various
stakeholders.
I
don't
think,
are
we
going
to
change
something?
I
Yeah-
and
I
I
was
just
I
kind
of
reading
the
agreement
because
it
has
been
a
while
for
me,
but
the
the
substantive
provisions
really
are
that
it
creates
a
so
if
the
city
receives
a
urban
growth
impact
application,
what's
called
that
it
would
impact
the
urban
growth
boundary
it
would
have
to.
It
would
have
to
ask
county
council
to
review
it
and
make
a
recommendation
on
it.
That
would
not
be
binding
on
the
city
and
then
the
city
and
the
county
would
do
the
same
thing.
I
If
it
had
an
urban
growth
boundary
impact
project,
it
would
send
it
to
the
city
council
to
look
at
it
to
review
it
into
an
issue
of
report
with
it,
both
within
60
days
and
if
they
don't
act
within
60
days,
it's
considered
recommended.
So
that's
pretty
much
the
substantive
part
of
the
proposed
agreement,
but
I
don't
know
the
history
as
well
as
everyone
does.
I
mean
it
looks
like
it's
in
both
of
our
comprehensive
plans.
It's
just
there's!
No,
there's
no
agreement.
M
Well,
if
you
want
listen,
I
don't
think
there's
anything
wrong
with
having
you
know.
If,
if
you
want
to
review
something
and
if
the
people
out
of
john
allen
group
invite
ron
mitchum
and
his
folk
out
there,
you
know
get
the
people
from
saint
john's
water,
commission
and
cpw,
I
actually,
and
it
may
come
up
with.
We
may
have
an
achilles
tendon
out
there,
but
we
all
would
look
at
it
at
the
same
time
and
prayerfully
move
in
the
same
direction.
M
At
the
same
time,
the
part
about
the
city
moving
without
the
others,
I
think
is,
I
think,
would
be
a
mistake
and
I
think
the
request
I
wasn't
at
the
meetings,
but
I
think
I
don't
know
that
the
people
at
that
meeting
maybe
had
as
much
information
that's
been
discussed
in
this
meeting.
All
the
stakeholders
involved
in
that
thing
that
really
listen.
You
can't
develop
if
you
can't
get
one
and
sewer
one
of
the
most
busiest
corridors
in
the
state
of
south
carolina
is
I-25
I-26
and
I-95.
M
There's
not
even
mcdonald's
there.
Okay,
you
know
why
there's
no
water
in
sewage,
so
they
got
big
roads,
but
no
water.
In
sewage,
so
if
cbw
doesn't
participate,
the
city
doesn't
participate,
the
county
doesn't
participate,
say
john
john's
island,
water
commission
doesn't
participate.
It's
going
to
be
pretty
hard
to
develop
on
john's
island
without
water
ensues,
so
they
have
a
lot
of
protection.
Now,
I'm
not
saying
what
was
done
20
25
years
ago,
can't
be
built
upon
the
part
about
moving
unilaterally.
I
think
is
mistake.
M
Well,
I
could
see
what
the
the
meaning
that
was
held.
Maybe
they
could
invite
parties
from
this
all
stakeholders
to
a
meeting
and
have
a
have
that
discussion
and
and
if
they
may,
even
if
this
johns
island
community
group
would
say,
hey
leave
well
enough
alone
or
as
a
result
of
that
discussion
again,
there
may
be
a
way
we
can
tweak
it
and
make
it
better.
But
again
you
move
forward
together,
as
opposed
to.
I
could
see
the
folk
at
the
county
saying
where
is
this
coming
from?
M
Okay,
not
being
a
party
as
to
why
so
I
just
like
on
this
one.
This
worked
so
well.
I
just
like
the
idea.
We
don't
how
many
things
we
have
in
a
comprehensive
way
with
multiple
jurisdictions
that
have
has
not
been
penetrated
in
almost
not
one
time
in
25
years.
So
let's
include
them.
It's
worked
well,
councilman
pal.
K
Thank
you
chairman,
and
I
I
haven't
chimed
in
yet
because
I
think
I
used
up
all
my
words
on
the
parking
discussion,
but
you
know,
I
think
the
urban
growth
boundary
concept
is
a
wonderful
planning
tool
and
it's
it's
a
mechanism,
but
I
think
that
there's
a
sense
at
least
on
john's
island.
You
know
if
you
live
out
there,
if
you're
a
stakeholder
out
there,
you
look
at
a
lot
of
this
development
and
you
think
to
yourself.
K
You
know,
there's
there's
a
disconnect,
because
there's
a
sense
that
sprawl
and
over
development
has
taken
over
out
on
those
islands,
and
I
do
agree
with
councilman
waring
that
that
that's
not
necessarily
an
urban
growth
boundary
problem
that
that's
a
zoning
issue
that
we
need
to
look
at
as
part
of
our
comprehensive
plan.
Some
of
these
other
things.
K
It's
a
living,
breathing
collaborative
process
between
stakeholders,
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
no
line
on
a
map.
That's
going
to
stop
bad
land
use,
planning
and
development
right.
Anything
that
is
done
can
be
undone,
there's
nothing
permanent.
In
this
line
of
work
we
can
zone,
we
can
we
can
up
zone,
we
can
down
zone.
You
know
we
can.
We
can
change
we'll
change
all
that.
K
The
best
thing
we
can
do
is
just
remain
engaged
on
this
issue
maintain
collaborative
lines
of
communication
and
instill
in
the
public,
especially
out
on
john's
island
confidence.
In
what
we're
doing
so,
I
think
this
is
a
good
idea.
I
think
we
something
the
discussion
should
continue,
but
just
do
it
in
a
way
that
makes
the
most
sense
for
all
the
different
stakeholders
involved.
G
Yes,
thank
you
chairman.
I
I
was
going
to
just
speak
to
your
question
about
what
we
should
do
right
now.
I
I
would
agree
and-
and
just
said
it-
that
we
keep
this
as
a
as
an
open
item
and
explain
to
the
task
force
who's
put
it
forward
to
the
city
that
we
do
need.
We
do
need
them
to
at
least
tell
us
about
the
homework
that
they've
done.
That
has
led
them
to
this
place.
G
Of
wanting
this
to
be
a
more
formalized
set
of
documents
and
agreements-
and
you
know
I
I
don't-
I
don't
perceive
that
this
group
is
without
counsel
and
has
not
done
any
research
about
any
of
this.
So
maybe
it's
just
to
give
them
an
opportunity
to
come
back
with
something
more
concrete
or
more
more
holistic,
as
councilmember
waring
was
suggesting.
G
I
I
do
think
there
is
comfort
in
the
different
players
that
need
to
sign
off
in
any
development,
but
it
has
not
worked,
and
there
are
examples
now
the
beach
company
has
a
huge
pad
down
on
the
kiawah
river.
That
is
way
outside
the
ugb
and
there's
some.
You
know,
like
special
reason
why
that
occurred,
and
maybe
mr
morgan
knows
all
about
that.
B
B
Yeah,
I
know
it's
john's
island.
I
know
john's
on
pretty
well,
you
know
like
I'd,
say
it
even
in
the
50s.
A
lot
of
people
don't
even
know
about
john's
island.
They
talk
about
a
lot
about
john's
island,
but
john's
on
was
not
the
way
it
is
now
everyone
who
is
talking
about
the
the
the
problem
on
john's
island.
They
move
on
john's
island
caused
the
problems.
B
So
that's
what
I'm
saying
I
went
there
when
it
was
dirt
roads.
It
was
not
with
dirt
roads
on
john's
island,
but
all
the
development
happened
on
john's
island
now
and
now
since
they're
moving
john's
island
and
bringing
all
the
developments
on
john's,
and
now
they
don't
want
anymore
and
that's
what
happened
when
they
came
before
us
and
they
were
talking
a
lot
of
things
that
kind
of
got
next
to
me.
B
You
know,
because
of
the
alan
johnson,
my
family
is
still
on
john's
island
they're,
still
there
on
bohicket
road,
river
road
and
all
back
in
landing,
drive
and
all
those
particular
areas
and,
like
I
said
my
family,
been
there
over
350
years
when
john's
on
they're
still
there
and
the
farmland
they're
talking
about
is
gone
because
of
the
belt
and
that's
happening
that
happened
on
johnson.
They
have
destroyed
all
of
it
all
of
the
rural
areas.
B
So
far
as
the
farmlands
and
things
like
that,
and
so
the
only
farmland
that
my
cousins
still
own,
there
is
the
freeman
farm
there
and
you
have
the
a
couple
of
other
farms
still
on
river
road.
That's
there,
but
most
of
these
rural
area,
like
farming,
is
just
about
gone
from
john's
island
because
of
development,
that's
happening
on
john's
island,
and
so
it
has
changed.
It's
changed
big
time.
B
So,
even
with
the
change
smart
growth,
we
have
to
make
sure
smart
growth
and
keep
on
going
and
that's
the
classes
that
we
attend
with
smart
growth,
because
it's
going
to
change,
it's
not
going
to
be
the
way
it
was
back.
When
I
was
coming
up
and
back,
but
some
of
us
was
coming
up,
it
had
changed
and
so
people
are
fighting.
I
mean
they
thought
even
me
about
it.
B
You
know
they
knocked
me
a
lot
because
of
what
I
was
talking
about
when
john's
on
the
way
john's
island
was
and
they're
talking
to
farmland
they're,
not
talking
with
the
farmland,
because
it's
gone,
you
know
most
of
the
rural
part
of
the
area.
It's
gone,
you
know
when
they
build
a
cuba
on
subaru
island.
There
it's
gone
so
we
have
to
move
on
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
everybody's.
M
H
B
C
M
That's
just
just
fyi.
I
think
I
think
that
property
as
a
matter
of
fact
it
shows
you.
It
worked
h.
The
beach
company
tried
to
get
water
and
sewer
from
saint
john's
water,
commission
and
cpw,
and
because
of
the
boundary
we're
refused,
they
had
to
apply
to
d-hex
for
their
own
separate
water
and
sewer
commission
out
there,
and
it
has
been
decades
in
trying
to
get
that
done,
and
I
think
I
may
not
be
correct
on
this,
but
check
it
may
be
a
part
of
a
town
of
kiowa.
M
So
in
that
regard
it
it
worked
so
that
that's
an
example
of
it
being
successful,
but
check
that
piece
on
me
to
see
whether
that
property,
I
actually
think
is
part
of
the
town
of
and
again
they
had
to
go
through
expensive
measures
of
developing
their
own
water
and
sewer
infrastructure
out
there.
They
could
not
get
it
from
this
agreement
so.