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City of Charleston Committee on Community Development 4/13/2020
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Hey
everyone
I'm
Meg,
Thompson
I'm,
with
the
city's
business
and
neighborhood
Services
office.
A
few
minutes
ago.
You
shouldn't
have
gotten
an
email
from
Jennifer
cook,
with
three
documents
attached
to
it:
I
apologize
for
getting
this
to
you
at
the
last
minute,
but,
as
you
can
imagine,
trying
to
provide
a
current
up-to-the-minute
situation
report
right
now
and
get
it
reviewed
by
everyone
is
a
challenge.
G
So
everything
is
current
as
of
close
of
business,
Friday
and
I
say
that,
because
I've
heard
the
SBA
with
every
webinar
say
that
you
know
everything
is
subject
to
change.
So
this
is
current
as
of
what
we
have
right
now.
The
first
document
I
don't
want
to
spend
too
much
time
on.
That
is
a
summary
of
city
actions
that
have
supported
small
businesses.
G
Most
of
those
are
things
that
you
all
have
passed
so
I
don't
want
to
spend
too
much
time
on
it,
but
just
as
a
refresher
there's
a
list
of
things
that
the
city
has
done
to
support
businesses
during
this
time,
including
the
resource
list.
My
author
has
provided
the
curbside
pickup,
we're
providing
two
restaurants:
the
deferral
of
hospitality
taxes.
All
of
those
kinds
of
things
are
summarized
in
that
document
and
then
I
want
to
turn
your
attention
to
the
other
two.
So
there's
one
and
I'm
going
to
attempt
to
share
my
screen.
G
I'm
having
to
do
this
on
an
iPad
to
have
video
capabilities,
and
so,
if
you
go
to
the
repo
report,
you'll
see
that
over
the
past
months
our
office
has
been
checking
in
with
a
series
of
retail
businesses.
Now
we
didn't
have
as
many
people
participate
as
we
would
have
liked,
because
they
were
having
to
shift
business
models
and
didn't
necessarily
have
the
time
to
chat
with
us
and
share
data,
so
we're
hoping
we'll
have
more
in
April,
but
you
can
see
from
that
report.
G
They
are
seeing
a
significant
downturn
in
business
right
now
and
are
experiencing
layoffs,
decreased
revenue,
things
like
that,
and
then
the
charts
that
you're
seeing
are
from
a
data
platform
called
placer,
which
uses
cell
phone
data
to
see
how
many
people
are
visiting
a
certain
area
because
corporations
when
we
call
them,
we
call
Home
Depot
grocery
stores,
things
like
that.
They
didn't
feel
comfortable
sharing
that
information
without
permission
from
corporate.
We
use
this
as
a
supplement
to
see
how
foot
traffic
is
going
in
some
of
those
areas.
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G
At
the
house
so
they're
doing
home
improvement
projects,
we
figure
is
what's
going
on
there
and
then
the
last
document
is
the
one
that
we
were
working
primarily
on
last
week,
so
the
SBA
started
taking
applications
last
Friday
for
its
Paycheck
protection
program.
So
we
identified
roughly
20
lenders
that
we
had
contact
information
for
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
first
asking
if
they
were
participating
in
the
program
and
what
the
activity
so
far
has
been
like
so
you'll
see
in
that
first
big
chart
you'll
see
a
list
of
lenders
that
are
participating
in
the
program.
G
Again.
These
people
are
in
really
high-stress
situations
just
trying
to
keep
up
with
applications.
So
the
level
of
detail
for
the
data
was
not
great.
We
weren't
able
to
get
city
specific
information.
Some
we
got
Tri
County,
some
we
got
state.
So
please
look
and
see
what
we've
marked
there.
As
far
as
where
that
data
is
coming
from,
then
you'll
see
a
second
list
of
lenders
that
are
not
participating
and
that
could
be
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
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Some
of
them
are
not
SBA
7a
lenders,
so
they're
not
able
to
participate
at
this
time,
and
some
of
them
are
non-traditional
lenders
that
are
trying
to
come
up
with
their
own
programs
to
address
the
situation
and
then,
lastly,
we
talked
to
score
and
SBDC,
who
are
assistance
providers
to
small
business
lenders
to
see
what
they're
hearing
from
small
businesses
who
are
coming
to
them
for
assistance
and
applying
for
these
program
in
general.
What
we
heard
is
that
people
are
very
streeted
there's
a
very
high
sense
of
urgency.
G
Sothanks
themselves
are
frustrated
because
again
the
regulations
and
processes
keep
changing
and
there's
also
a
high
demand.
Another
time
they
said,
they're
working,
12
to
15
hour
shift,
say
they've,
reassigned
staff,
doing
everything
they
can
to
get
this
out
the
door
as
quickly
as
possible
and
so
I'll
leave
it
there
and
let
you
guys
kind
of
look
and
see
if
you
have
any
questions.
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So
he
feels
like
there's
good
support
from
the
banking
community
and
the
banking
programs
just
addressing
that.
But
he
admits,
as
almost
everybody
does,
that
they
got
off
to
a
rough
start
used
the
word
choppy
waters,
but
because,
apparently,
that
the
SBA,
even
though
they
were
subbing
out
some
responsibility
to
the
local
banks.
Apparently
they
still
had
to
enter
each
application
through
the
SBA
portal
for
approval
and
they're
mocking
over
what
they
normally
do.
Three
hundred
and
fifty
percent,
but
he
felt
like
they
had
straightened
that
out
capacity
decreased.
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In
fact
here
that
has
a
four
o'clock
yesterday.
Naturally,
the
two
hundred
and
five
billion
dollars
have
been
through
the
program.
Checks
haven't
cut
yet
for
the
most
part,
but
but
they
were
now
on
a
position
to
do
that
soon
and
he's
hopeful
that
we
are
that
by
the
time
the
rest
of
the
350
billion
is
committed,
that
the
next
round
will
be
approved
by
the
Congress
so
anyway
admitting
that
they
had
a
rough
week.
Last
ten
days.
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J
Lima
cycle
Thank,
You,
councilman,
Thank,
You,
mayor
Megan
in
the
mayor,
I
just
want
to
say
I-
think
we've
done
a
great
job
as
a
city
to
give
what
we
could
the
low-hanging
fruit
around
getting
information
out
to
our
customer
citizens
and
Meg.
That's
great
information
to
share
and
I
read
through
it
quickly
before
the
call
and
when
you
could
compile
it,
you
really
get
a
chance
to
see
what
we've
done.
This
still
leaves
the
issue
of
funding
for
a
lot
of
small
businesses.
I
do
get
a
call
from
a
member
of
the
public.
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I
Also,
this
is
Ruth.
Jordan
I
also
went
on
the
PayPal
site
this
morning.
The
application
is
very
streamlined,
very
simple.
It's
only
about
1%
participation,
as
of
today,
so
I've
been
emailing
people
telling
them
to
go
to
the
PayPal
website
and
get
online
as
soon
as
possible
before
it
gets
bombarded,
but
just
started
today.
This
afternoon
it
went
live.
Thank.
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A
It
is
my
understanding,
however,
that
we
are
no
longer
going
to
be
pursuing
that
Avenue
and
in
the
in
its
place,
or
maybe
as
another
thought
councilmember
saccharin
this
morning,
distributed
a
proposal,
a
different
proposal
which,
hopefully
you
all
received,
and
while
this
was
not
on
the
agenda,
we
could
certainly
discuss
it
if
City
Council.
Excuse
me
this.
If
this
committee
is
of
the
mind
to
do
so,
we
would
just
need
a
two-thirds
vote
to
get
it
on
the
agenda,
and
then
we
certainly
can
discuss
the
proposal.
A
No
final
action
could
be
taken
on
it
unless
the
City
Council
also
finds
that
there's
an
exigent
need
to
do
so.
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
this
item
could
be
discussed,
but
we
would
just
need
a
two-thirds
vote
to
do
so.
To
add
it
to
the
agenda.
I
also
think
that
at
some
point,
if
Miss
Wharton's
on
the
line,
she
may
want
to
comment
on
this
proposal,
or
just
generally
on
the
state
of
the
city's
potential
funding
or
lack
thereof
for
for
a
proposal.
Yes,.
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D
We
have
to,
we
have
to
have
the
2/3
votes
before
we
can
discuss
it.
We
have
to
put
it
on
the
agenda
because
now
an
agenda
for
discussion,
so
we
have
to
have
a
2/3
votes
and
that's
coming
from
the
City
Attorney's.
So
that's
the
way
we
have
to
do
it.
This
is
what
it
was
something
that
came
up
to
date.
A
lot
of
the
council
members
received
today
sometime
about
probably
an
hour
ago,
I
guess,
and
so
we
have
to
have
this
2/3
votes
and
that's
what
I
call
to
make
sure.
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A
However,
I'm
going
to
defer
to
each
member
to
decide
that
on
his
or
her
own
before
participating
in
the
discussion
in
the
debate,
it
would
be
an
economic
interest
that
would
be
different
than
the
broad
category
of
same
business
owners
and
unfortunately,
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
say
unfortunately,
I,
don't
know
the
details
of
everyone's
finances
or
what
they
would
intend
to
do.
But
I
think
this
is
a
decision
that
each
council
member
needs
to
make.
D
J
You,
chairman
Mitchell,
well
just
just
to
start
off
I,
have
no
interest
in
receiving
any
money
from
this
potential
loan
fund.
I
do
not
bank
at
this
Bank
I
have
no
financial
interests.
My
wife
has
no
financial
interest.
My
only
interest
is
to
make
sure
that
we
can
help
some
of
our
small
business
owners,
so
there's
no
connection
personally
or
through
my
business
with
this
proposal
at
all,
based
on
just
the
feedback
over
the
past
couple
weeks.
Regarding
the
proposals
that
we've
had,
you
know.
J
First,
we
started
off
with
trying
to
use
some
money
from
from
the
city
in
the
LDC
fund,
and
it
was
you
know
that
pot
of
money
caused
some
inks,
which
I
understood
so
we
moved
switched
gears
I
was
told
by
several
council
members
that
the
thought
and
the
idea
was
valid.
They
just
had
concerns
with
the
pot
of
money
since
then,
that
pot
of
money
has
been
allocated
for
affordable
housing
and
that
I'm
encouraged
by
that
and
that's
great.
J
So
what
that
has
left
us
essentially
a
week
ago
is
thinking
about
alternative
creative
ways
to
spend
this
money
and
used
and
how
it's
worked.
Small
businesses,
so
we've
reached
out
to
several
partners
in
the
community.
One
of
the
partners
that
came
forth
is
that
community
owned
Federal
Credit
Union
here
in
Charleston
I've
sent
that
proposal
to
everybody
several
hours
ago
and
I
apologize.
But
it's
it's
taken
a
couple
days
to
massage
some
of
those
details.
J
Essentially
this
mimics
the
Aiken
South
Carolina
plan
where
a
local
you
know
lending
it
will
provide
the
capital,
but
it's
backed
by
several
organizations
and
in
Aiken
it's
the
city,
I
believe
the
chamber
is
involved.
This
would
be
a
very
similar
approach
to
that.
This
there's
no
effect
on
our
housing
fund
whatsoever
and,
quite
frankly,
I'm
not
sure
even
coming
through
seedy
committee
meeting,
would
be
the
way
this
should
work.
It
probably
have
to
come
through
ways
and
means,
because
this
is
really
just
a
budget
decision.
J
You
all
have
the
proposal
I
laid
out
the
purpose.
Obviously
some
statistics
that
I
didn't
want
to
mention.
You
know
we
are
in
an
extreme
crunch
in
terms
of
revenues,
high
anxiety
level
from
small
business
owners.
I
can't
say
that
enough.
You
know,
revenues
from
the
hospitality,
municipal
and
state
accommodation.
Taxes
are
pretty
much
non-existent
in
those
two
sources
make
up
about
15%
of
our
city
budget,
so
I
feel
it's
it's
in
our
best
interest
to
stable
and
grow
that
tax
base,
so
they
can
contribute
back
to
the
increase
needed
to
recover.
I.
J
Just
think
it's
short-sighted
not
to
invest
in
our
small
business
owners.
So
the
need
is
clear.
You
know
folks
have
been
operating
without
revenue
since
March
16th
and
on
April
16th.
It's
gonna
be
a
month
that
small
businesses
have
gone
without
revenues.
Some
of
them
have
made
arrangements
with
their
but
their
landlord's
not
to
pay
rent.
Some
are,
you
know,
have
made
arrangements
for
the
utility
companies
to
offset
those
costs,
but
by
and
large
a
lot
of
small
businesses
are
sole
proprietorships
and
it's
not
only
affecting
the
business
income
it's
affecting
their
personal
income.
J
So
the
investment
that
we're
really
trying
to
seek
today
with
this
plan
would
be
to
help
pay
their
lease
payments,
their
payroll
utilities
and
potentially
some
lost
personal
income
if
their
sole
proprietorship,
the
partner
that
we've
we've
recognized.
That
we've
had
several
conversations
them
over
the
past
couple
days
is
the
community
owned,
Federal
Credit
Union?
J
J
I
realized
that
that's
an
investment
from
the
city
and
I
realized
that
at
this
point
we
do
not
have
that,
but
I
think
it's
just
fair
that
we
at
least
convey
the
plan
as
needed,
and
if
and
if
members
on
this
committee
feel
as
though
that
we
cannot
move
forward,
then
then
so
be
it.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
being
proactive
and
we're
on
record
stating
as
such,
you
know
places
like
Aiken
in
Columbia.
They
have
done
this
in
this
environment.
J
The
loan
underwriting
process
would
be
a
quick
two-page
application.
They
would
require
two
months
of
bank
statements
to
2018
tax
returns
and
those
tax
returns
would
improve
the
chance
for
a
quicker
approval.
They
have
committed
that
they
can
get
money
in
folks
hands
within
two
weeks
once
they
submit
an
application.
J
This
plan
would
be
an
unsecured
loan
up
up
up
to
$15,000
with
a
loan
term
of
36
months,
six
months
deferral
they
would
have
to
have
less
than
five
full-time
employees
on
payroll.
They
would
have
to
reside
in
the
city
of
Charleston
and
the
business
would
after
was
out
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
and
that
is
essentially
you
know
the
plan.
There's
a
couple
more
details
in
that
document
that
I
had
sent
out
I.
Just
think
that
you
know
I,
don't
credit
union
like
any
owned,
is
an
integral
part
of
our
of
our
city.
J
I
feel
like
they've
got
a
you
know
their
clientele
and
they're.
The
way
that
they've
worked
in
our
city,
I
think
would
be
a
great
fit
for
us
to
move
forward
with
this
partnership.
For
those
reasons,
they've
got
a
long
history
and
I'm
not
sure
of
their
relationship
with
in
previous
partnerships,
but
you
know
they
step
forward
and
I.
Think
and
I
do
think.
You
know
to
everyone
on
committees.
J
I
do
think
if
the
city
can
stand
behind
this
and
at
least
commit
to
some
I
do
think
that
the
crisis
that
we
have
in
the
attention
that's
being
brought
you
know,
Charleston,
is
being
hit
the
hardest
throughout
the
state.
I
do
think
we
can
find
some
additional
foundation.
Money
or
other
are
the
other
lending
institutions
that
would
help
offset
some
of
the
potential
losses,
but
it's
gonna
require
us
to
go
out
on
a
limb
and
make
a
commitment-
and
this
is
a
pared-down
effort
from
our
four
million
dollar
ask.
D
Steep
to
be
a
spread
from
the
city
attorneys
that
we
don't
have
any
funds
at
all.
So
this
is
the
problem
that
could
be
running
into
even
helping
small
businesses.
We
as
a
city
we
in
the
crunch
time
right
now.
We
don't
know
how,
by
just
going
to
go
right
now
and
we
don't
have
funds,
we
don't
have
funds
and
set
aside
to
do
any
things
like
that.
D
Right
now
and
I
sympathize
with
the
businesses
or
Hartley
I'm
in
when
the
credit
union
first
started,
I
thought
I,
supported
them
and
got
them
voted
to
have
them
place
their
the
car
mentally
in
the
community,
and
but
the
city
is
that's
why
I
had
miss
Morton
come
on?
Let's
do
that.
We
don't
have
any
money
unless
you
go
back
to
our
budget
and
cut
certain
things
out
of
the
budget
that
VA
approve
already
I.
D
C
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
I
am
I'm
reading
this
document
I
think
that
councilmember,
saccharine
and
I
have
probably
been
too
close
to
it.
I've
been
trying
to
work
out
the
all
the
details
as
quickly
as
possible
with
the
credit,
and
they
are
wholly
owned,
subsidiary
the
Winchester
mortgage
lender,
who
would
actually
be
providing
the
servicing
the
underwriting
and
the
servicing
using
their
very
experienced
staff
who
know
the
people
that
are
normally
the
borrowers
and
the
investors
in
their
credit
union.
So
I'm,
just
rereading
it
and
and
trying
to
see
it
with.
C
You
know
new
eyes,
as
you
all
have
been
looking
at
it
today.
Hopefully-
and
it
occurred
to
me
that
we
really
didn't
take
the
extra
a
couple
of
sentences
to
explain
that
what
we're
asking
of
the
city,
because
we
had
sent
the
mayor
and
mr.
Giroux
and
mr.
Dena
and
I
know
it-
was
shared
with
MS
Wharton.
The
model
that
Aiken
has
has
begun
to
to
offer.
They
are
currently
making
loans
and,
what's
missing
in
our
paper.
C
I
think
that
isn't
spelled
out
clearly
is
the
fact
that
the
the
corpus,
the
actual
money,
that's
going
to
be
lent
out
up
front,
will
not
come
from
the
city,
all
that's
being
asked
of
the
city.
And
yes,
it
is
a
commitment,
and
yes,
it
is
a
risk,
would
be
to
be
one
of
the
guarantor
of
the
total
loan
balance
if
loans
were
unable
to
be
repaid,
and
so
that
we
would
be
guaranteeing
the
loss
of
funds
to
the
to
the
lenders.
C
The
actual
investors
that
the
credit
union
and
the
mortgage
company
are
actively
pursuing,
knowing
that
that
they
will
have
guarantees
provided
to
them.
So
we're
not
putting
the
money
out
the
door
upfront
we
would
be
covering
on
the
back
side
after
finding
out.
You
know,
within
3
3
years
that
we
couldn't
actually
receive
all
of
the
money
back
and
pay
them
pay.
The
actual
lenders
off
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point.
I
do
think
that
you
know
that's
a
key
issue.
C
K
Yeah
and
all
due
respect
council,
woman
Jackson,
even
if
it's
a
guarantee
you
have
to
have
the
dollars
available,
when
I
did
a
four
hundred
million
dollar
loan
guarantee
with
the
Medical
University
of
South
Carolina,
to
build
the
athlete
our
HUD
had
to
have
the
four
hundred
million
dollars
in
the
bank
just
in
case
it
folded.
So
when
we
talk
about
loan
guarantee
is
not
as
though
you
don't
have
to
have
those
dollars
available,
they
do
have
to
be
available.
K
Okay,
the
lending
institution
has
gone
to
a
lending
institution
to
have
some
discussion
again.
It
might
have
come
out
a
little
differently
if
we
had
persons
who
are
members
of
the
bank,
persons
who
have
money
in
that
Bank,
okay,
it
might
have
turned
out
a
little
little
differently
and,
lastly,
that
while
this
would
would
eventually
be
a
Ways
and
Means
Committee
decision.
Ultimately,
it
still
rests
in
the
Community
Development
Committee,
as
it
relates
to
you
coming
up
with
a
new
program.
K
The
program
yes
has
to
be
financed,
but
the
program
also
has
to
be
approved
prior
to
it,
going
to
ways
and
means
to
allocate
the
dollars
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
all
in
the
same
same
page.
You
know
I
think
that
the
proposal
that
you've
set
forth
is
very
different
from
the
first
one,
because
I
thought
that
this
the
first
one
would
have
had
a
discriminatory
impact
unintentionally
on
a
specific
group
and
then,
lastly,
anything
that
I
do
has
to
be
data-driven.
K
This
is
not
data
driven
and
by
that
I
mean
yes,
we
can
make
a
general
statement
with
regard
to
the
need
of
small
businesses
and,
of
course,
citing
the
Chamber's.
Seventy
percent
of
most
businesses
are
having
a
problem.
Yes,
there
are
some
things
that
that
are
better,
better,
quite
obvious,
but
again,
I
think
that
decisions
like
this
need
to
be
data-driven.
How
many
small
businesses
that
would
apply
for
this?
Ok
have
already
fired
their
people.
Ok,
how
many
have
already
closed?
K
K
The
data
is
not
here,
we've
met,
we
have
in
both
both
proposals.
The
data
is
not
there.
How
do
we
determine
out
of
1,200
businesses
who
gets
the
money?
I
do
know
that
in
the
first
proposal
you
had
a
1.5
million
dollar
cut
off
I.
Don't
necessarily
see
that
in
this
proposal,
so
again,
I
just
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
do
this
in
such
a
way
that
you're
not
gonna,
be
leaving.
Thousands
of
businesses
out
that
have
similar
are
not
the
same
need.
J
I
mean
I
understand
the
concerns
I,
you
know
we.
We
talked
with
mr.
Middleton
and
Vincent
Terry
at
the
bank.
We
are
in
a
unique
situation
and
then
I'm
sure
the
mayor
can
attest.
You
know
three
weeks
ago
or
four
weeks
when
we
came
into
this
certainly
process
and
getting
things
done
appropriately
is
important,
but
in
all
due
respect
council
member
Gregory,
the
data
is
not
there
because
we
are
in
the
midst
of
the
crisis.
I,
don't
know
how
you
find
data
in
the
midst
of
or
tornado
and
sorry
for
the
bad
analogy.
J
But
that's
what
we're
in
right
now,
that's
business
owners
are
facing.
How
do
you
find
data
about
the
questions
that
you
need
answered
and
I'm?
First,
to
admit
that
you
know
we
should
be
making
data-driven
decisions
and
I?
Don't
think
these
are
emotional
decisions,
I
guess
the
data
that
I
get
is
personal
conversations
I
had
with
small
business
owners
or
my
personal
attempt
to
apply
for
these
loans
through
Wells
Fargo
and
several
other
lending
institutions
in
the
community
and
I've
had
not
one
response
back
in
a
week.
So
I
get
that
you
know.
J
Data
is
important,
but
I
don't
know
how
we,
how
do
we
articulate
data
and
find
data
in
a
situation
we're
in
today
and
in
councilman
Gregory?
You
know
I
thought
we
did
our
due
diligence
by
speaking
to
the
leaders
of
the
lending
institution
in
the
bank,
and
it
was
our
attempt
again
once
again
today
to
bring
everybody
on
board
and
I'm.
Sorry,
you
didn't
get
it
three
or
four
days
ago,
but
this
has
been
moving
target
and
we
didn't
have
that
information
three
or
four
days
ago.
J
So
I
feel
like
every
time
that
you
know
we
attempt
something.
We
move
the
goalposts,
the
goalposts
change,
and
here
we
are
again
and
I
get
it.
It
comes
down
to
a
financial
decision
that
the
city
just
doesn't
have
the
money.
Then
we
just
need
to
articulate
that
and
say
it
and
then
be
done
with
it.
I
am.
D
L
Really
but
I
feel
like
it's
a
this
may
be
the
record
for
the
longest.
It's
gone
without
me,
saying
something
so
I
might
as
well
offer
my
thoughts.
You
know
I
I,
fully
recognize
and
appreciate
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
everybody
today.
I
just
think
that
under
such
extreme
circumstances,
it's
hard
for
me
to
believe
that
there's
nothing
we
can
do
and
I
just
got
to
think
that
that
we
can
put
our
heads
together
and
figure
out
some
way
to
help
on
some
degree
we're
not
gonna
solve
all
the
problems.
L
We
don't
have
the
magic
wand,
even
if
it
pertains
to
cutting
something.
That's
on
the
table
for
future
spending
to
to
alleviate
some
funds.
I
mean
I
think
that
it's
a
prioritization
issue
at
this
point-
and
you
know
I
I'm
not
prepared
to
give
up
at
this
point
I
think
there's
got
to
be
something
we
can
do.
If
Aiken
can
do
it,
if
Columbia
can
do
it,
there's
there's
no
reason
why
we
shouldn't
be
able
to
do
it
in
city
of
Charleston.
I
get
the
thing
about
the
LDC
money.
L
We
don't
need
to
go
back
down
that
road,
but
you
know
I.
Think
I've
made
the
comment
at
one
of
these
meetings.
Let's
find
the
fluffiest
of
the
fluff
in
our
budget
and
and
put
a
crosshair
on
it
and
and
see
if
we
can
come
to
an
agreement
among
council
that
perhaps
diverting
that
money
towards
a
framework
along
the
lines
of
what
councilmember,
saccharine
and
the
bank
have
put
forward,
maybe
something
we
can
look
at
so
I
hope
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
M
E
M
Of
13
building
members
either
are
or
having
tremendous
amount
of
experience
working
with
small
businesses,
in
other
words,
either
they
are
business,
small
business
people
themselves
or
they
work
for
small
business.
So
I
think
we
all
a
sense
of
ties
to
the
small
business
needs
and,
if
you
say,
go
around
the
table,
I
mean
Midtown,
chapel,
certainly
Kevin
chili,
because
councilman
Sackman
you
come
around
to
councilman
Gregory
myself,
councilman
seeking
counseling.
She
is
obviously
at
councilman,
Griffin,
councilman,
woman,
Jackson
and
certainly
the
mayor
has
decades
of
small
business
experience.
M
So
to
say
that
I
mean
we
all
are
sensitized
and
we
all
in
one
part
of
another,
quite
frankly,
potentially
face
some
of
the
same
issues.
You
councilmen
sacrifice
with
your
business.
I
certainly
face
it
with
mine,
but
the
fact
is
is
that
when
you
hear
the
CFO
say
that
we
don't
have
the
money
to
do
it,
I
really
don't
think
the
true
feeling
on
that
is
going
to
be
known
by
all
council
members.
M
Credit
rating
was
supposed
to
go
to
market
for
20
years,
borrowing,
requests
and
a
say
in
the
private
market
and
I
believe
strongly
because
our
cash
flow-
we
didn't
do
it
before
you
can
get
a
bond
rating
cash
flow
plays
into
part
of
it
and
right
now,
I'm
councilman
Gregory
asks
for
data,
and
you
pointed
out
very
quickly
in
this
situation.
We
have,
we
don't
have
the
data.
Well,
we.
I
M
M
Okay,
this
is
where
and
I'll
budget,
which
would
probably
be
somewhere
around
seven
to
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
annually
would
be
the
payback
of
course,
I'll
see
a
focus
straighten
us
out
on
that
on
the
exact
but
it'll
be
someplace
in
that
neighborhood,
seven
to
eight
hundred
thousand
per
year
for
the
next
15-20
years
to
pay
that
bonding.
Now
we
didn't
go
to
the
market
to
do
this.
Now,
when
we
filed
our
true
cash
flow,
councilman,
sacra,
now
Councilman,
Appel
or
Councilwoman
El
Chapo.
M
So
we
need
to
know
more
about
our
financial
situation
before
I
think
we
gonna
find
respectfully
and
I
say
this
with
high
respect,
consummate
appeal
and
other
years,
you
would
have
been
right
about
a
little
fluff,
I'm
gonna
use
your
turn
this
year.
I
don't
see
how
any
city
can
say
that
they
got
fluff,
not
because
nobody
on
the
planet,
Earth
from
an
economic
standpoint
has
been
faced
with
this.
M
Shutting
down,
in
particular
in
this
country,
face
shutting
down
a
capitalist
economy,
one
designed
to
stop
frankly,
so
we
all
in
new
territory
and
when
we
come
up
and
guarantee
alone.
In
effect,
basically,
we
go
stand
as
a
guarantee.
Councilman
Gregor
is
he
wasn't
99%
right?
He
was
100%
right.
We
have
to
have
the
money
in
the
bank
to
do
that.
So
then,
that
kind
of
turns
us
into
somewhat
of
the
lender
or
the
banker.
So
my
question
would
be
that
we
need
to
get
without
bond
attorney
to
see
if
we
enter
those
type.
M
Guaranted
guarantees.
I,
don't
know
the
answer
to
this.
How
would
that
affect
our
triple-a
bond
rating
right
now?
I,
don't
know
that
that
certainly
has
to
be
a
part
of
the
equation,
because
you
know
two
weeks
ago
the
men
talked
in
terms
of
we
all
supported
it,
hiring
a
financial
advisor.
Hopefully
so
maybe
in
20
21
22,
we
can
refinance
them
our
long-term
debt
to
create
some
more
cash
flow
to
help
our
city
work
a
little
more
efficiently
from
a
financial
standpoint.
M
It
may
have
pushed
out
of
meaning
notice
already
for
the
you
know
for
the
ad
hoc
committee
meeting
so
right
now,
all
13
of
us
are
operating
in
unknown
territory
as
far
as
financially
what
we
can
do
and
believe
on
the
front
panel
on
the
front
part
of
this
discussion,
our
CFO
came
until
us.
We
don't
have
the
money
to
do
it,
so
we
just
can't
look
straight
past
that
we
have
to.
We
have
to
take
that
to
heart.
M
So
you
know
some
of
the
sources
that
Columbia
took
it
from
I
could
be
wrong
with
this,
but
I
heard
it
took
it
from
some
of
the
drink
drainage
fund
to
do
that
and
I
guess.
You
know
they'll
apologize
for
an
answer
for
it
later
given
to
crappy
our
drainage
situation
and
the
lone
loss
Ridge
ratio
that
we
probably
experienced
on
a
micro
loan
like
this.
M
Wanting
to
help
I
hear
that
the
reality
is
is
the
only
entity
that
legally
can
do
a
deficit.
Is
the
federal
government
and
even
the
portion
that
we
complaining
about
they
run
on
a
deficit.
To
do
that,
we
can
so
you
know
there
if
this
slump
out
there
is
a
person
on
this
call
right
now
that
can
tell
us
where
that
Slough
is,
and
that's
our
CFO
and
from
the
onset
she's
told
us
that
the
money
is
not
there.
So
maybe
we
can
get
some
sort
of
encouragement
from
the
private
sector
to
help.
M
M
M
So
the
fact
point
that
I
hold
on
to
is
when
the
CFO
says
we
don't
have
the
money.
I
have
no
reason
not
to
believe
her.
The
second
fact
point
mr.
million
council.
That
would
like
to
to
know
if
the
city
were
to
go
into
basically
the
lending
business,
in
particular
with
unsecured
loans
with
high
loan
most
ratios.
How
does
that
have
an
effect
on
our
boundary
on
credit
reading,
because
let
me
take,
they
may
be
one
other
city
think
Greenville.
It
had
a
triple-a
credit
rating
four
years.
M
The
city
of
Charleston
was
the
only
city
with
a
triple-a
credit
rating
in
the
whole
state
of
South
Carolina,
and
that's
a
heck
of
a
gift
that
was
passed
from
me
Raleigh
to
all
of
us
as
stewards
for
the
city.
So
and
that's
something
once
you
get
once
you
lose
it
well
I.
Take
it
so
hard
to
the
comment:
that's
like
a
tax
increase
on
everybody
when
you
lose
when
you
lose
that
triple-a
credit
rating.
So
please
pay
attention
to
the
people
that
tell
us
the
fact
points
and
and
you're
right.
M
M
D
B
In
connecting
the
dots,
how
can
people
will
make
those
connections
where
they
can
borrow
money?
And
you
know
doing
the
things
accomodate
accommodating
the
things
that
we
can
do
like
the
curbside
believe,
like
the
deferred
hospitality
taxes
like
our
enhanced
online
permitting
so
all
those
non-cash
items
that
we
have
been
proactively
doing.
That's
the
city
to
help
our
business
community
and
thanks
for
challenging
us
man
I
mean
you've,
been
laying
the
challenge
on
us
to
try
to
do
any
anything
that
we
can
do.
I
must
say
from
a
broad
view
from
a
30,000
foot
view.
B
So
that
may
seem
like
a
very
underlying
kind
of
broad
objective,
but
but
I
believe
our
economy
will
bounce
back
quicker
because
we
think
we
are
now
collectively
taking
the
steps
to
keep
our
city
safe
and,
secondly,
on
a
broad
view
providing
the
basic
governmental
services
that
we're
all
concerned
about
funding,
picking
up
the
garbage
or
providing
police
and
fire
protection.
Those
fundamental
city
services
are
just
critical
to
Charleston
being
resilient
and
being
able
to
rebound
from
this
coronavirus
crisis,
so
so
that's
kind
of
a
broad
view.
B
B
You
know
they
are
willing
to
help
in
any
way
that
they
can
and
God
bless
them
in
encounter
member
Gregory
I
do
want
to
share
with
you
that,
even
though
the
state
is
hazy
about
municipal
governments,
depositing
in
credit
unions,
they're
not
specifying
under
state
law
that
I
have
as
miss
Johnson
Gianna
and
she
has
deposited
funds
in
the
CEO
credit
union
by
our
CR
C.
Our
community
development
of
committees
that
we
have
finally
put
some
funds
and
in
the
way
through
our
nonprofit,
are
members
of
the
seasonal
credit
union.
Share
that
with
you.
B
They
are
a
great
organization
and
willing
to
help
us.
My
discussion
with
Karen
come
from
Andrew
Jackson
in
sacrum,
or
that
they
would
require
a
hundred
percent
of
whatever
total
loan
amount
be
guaranteed.
So
if,
if
you
were
asking
the
city
to
guarantee
a
half,
a
million
dollars
would
have
to
find
others
in
the
community,
and
we
have
put
out
a
request
to
the
community.
B
I
mean
the
coastal
community
foundation
to
consider
also
being
a
sponsor,
if
you
will
by
guaranteed
funds,
but
we
would
need
to
find
other
folks
to
also
make
those
kind
of
guarantees
to
get
to
the
one
and
a
half
million
dollar
total
on
the
fun
that
you
recommended.
So
it's
it's
once
again,
a
great
idea
way
to
get
down
to
the
bottom
line,
even
if
it's
only
a
half
million
dollars.
B
I
say
only
you
hear
from
this
wart
here
to
hear
everyone's
concerns
about
our
own
revenue
sources
get
being
jeopardized
and
we
need
to
keep
our
city
services
going
so
even
guarantee.
Nana
Jesus
is
basically
money
that
we
have
not
been
able
to
readily
identify,
and
maybe
can't
remember
where
everything's
right
once
the
workshop
occurs
and
we
got
a
clearer
picture
or
can't
remember
a
bell
with
all
due
respect.
We
keep
a
very
tight
budget
on
on
basic
services.
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
lot
of
fluff
out
there,
but
I
mean
it.
B
Certainly,
the
will
of
counsel
if
there
was
something
out
there
that
y'all
wanted
to
reallocate
in
our
in
our
budget,
but
we'd
have
to
be
thoughtful
and
think
about
our
shrinking
revenue
sources
and
then
prioritize
this
over
something
else.
So
I'm.
Sorry,
if
I
ramble
on
but
I
just
wanted
to
share
my.
J
Yeah
one
second
one
last
piece
mayor,
thank
you
for
everything.
You've
done
I
know,
that's
been
a
challenge
you
and
I
have
talked
privately
and
I'll,
say
it
publicly.
I
think
the
city
of
Charleston
has
led
not
just
the
state
but
the
southeast
in
terms
of
what
we're
doing
around
medical
and
health
and
safety
precautions,
so
I
think
you've
been
a
leader
in
that
regard.
I
just
have
to
push
back
a
little
bit
and
say
we
are
the
best
city
in
the
southeast.
If
we
do
this,
people
will
follow
and
lead
with
us.
J
Why
can't
we
do
this?
We
we
do.
This
people
will
follow
our
lead
and
then
I'm
just
gonna.
Ask
again,
you
know,
maybe
we
minimize
the
amount
and
we
do
a
match
with
with
the
foundation
or
with
some
other
business
leaders
in
the
area.
But
people
are
waiting
on
us
to
take
the
first
step.
If
we
don't
take
the
first
step,
then
you
know
I
understand
that
we
have
a
budget
crisis
I
get
that.
D
I
understand
what
you're
saying
all
together,
but
I
think
none
of
you
all
here
wasn't
here.
When
we
did
the
budget,
you
don't
even
see
how
the
budgets
are.
We
kind
of
whole
lot
of
things
out
of
there,
but
it's
even
to
make
the
budget.
So
we
can
approve
the
budget.
Suppose
you
can't
ask
the
money
is
really
not
there
for
us
to
even
go
and
say
we
will
stand
for
this.
I
stand
for
that.
It's
not
there.
D
If
our
city
goes
bankrupt,
then,
what's
going
to
happen
then,
but
I'd
witnessed
I
mean
really
the
business
is
there.
We
have
to
make
sure
our
economy,
our
housing.
Our
community
is
a
strong,
vibrant
community.
That's
gonna
make
sure
that
that's
gonna
make
sure
that
anything
in
this
city
is
gonna
operate
before
businesses
came
the
committee,
the
community
carried
the
city
all
the
time,
all
the
time
and
I'm
telling
you
for
hardly
because
I've
been
here.
So
this
is
what
we
have
to
do.
Make
sure
that
our
community
is
a
strong,
vibrant
community.
D
If
businesses
come
fine,
because
the
people
who
were
here
when
a
pigeon
eyes
those
businesses
and
that's
how
the
business
is
gonna
make
it
with
the
people,
that's
here,
so
that's
all
I'm
saying,
but
you
can't
pull
money
out
of
barrel-
that's
not
there!
So
we
got
to
understand
that
if
the
money
is
not
that
even
in
your
home,
you
can't
get
money
out
of
someplace
out
of
your
home,
that
you're
working
for
you
have
and
buy
something
else.
D
When
you
don't
have
to
mind
yourself-
and
this
is
what
it
is,
we
got
to
do
financially
and
budgeting
and
that's
what
I
should
do
myself
financially
and
budgeting
and
that's
what
it's
come
down
to.
But
if
you
see
that
chief
financial
officers
say
we
don't
have
it,
we
can't
even
back
that
this
program,
we
don't
have
the
money
to
back
it.
D
That's
all
I'm
saying
I'm,
not
knocking
cuz
I
see
what
you're
doing
is
fine
I
got
people
in
businesses,
I
got
family,
but
this
is
that
closed
up
too.
So
that's
what
I'm
saying
so
I'm
telling
you
this
is
witnesses
was
happening
right
now,
but
I
don't
think
I,
don't
think
we
need
a
motion
on
this
I
think
as
a
motion
there,
but
I
don't
think.
E
K
Mean,
and,
and
and
I'll
due
respect
to
councilman
saccharin
over
the
last
two
or
three
discussions
on
this
I
take
issue
with
a
lot
of
what
you
have
said
and
at
some
point
I'd
like
to
sit
down
and
really
have
a
chat
with
you
about
some
of
those
things.
Secondly,
this
cannot
be
feeling
driven.
This
has
to
be
data-driven
and
I
think
we
all
got
some
data
today
from
our
chief
financial
officer
that
I
think
that
we
should
take
heed.
C
C
You,
sir
I,
guess,
I
really
appreciate
that
we've
got
to
be
three
very
thorough
reports
from
the
business
services
office
today,
and
they
took
the
time
to
make
it
as
timely
in
terms
of
closing
out
the
information
that
they
have
been
collecting
on
Friday.
So
I
think
we
do
have
the
beginnings
of
data
categories
that
pretty
much
all
add
up
to
the
same
thing
that
the
businesses
are
hurting.
That's
not
an
emotional
topic.
That's
a
financial
topic
when
you
say
a
business
is
hurting.
C
And
that
was
a
personal
choice
they
made,
but
they're
not
sure
they
can
open
up
again
if
they,
if
they
don't
get
some
sort
of
break
on
their
rent
and
the
other
operation
has
gone
into
the
carry
out
business
and
they're
limping
along
with
the
husband
and
wife
and
two
other
employees
hoping
and
praying
that
their
people
are
gonna,
be
able
to
come
back
they've
applied
for
every
loan
out
there.
They
had
to
apply
twice
for
the
disaster
loan
from
the
SBA,
because
the
SBA
changed
the
format
of
the
loan.
C
Ms
Wharton
has
scrubbed
her
budget
and
says
we
don't
have
any
other
money
to
move
around
in
the
2020
budget
that
we're
currently
in,
but
we're
not
talking
about
seeing
these
losses
in
2020.
Just
this
and
I
know
you're
supposed
to
book
the
opportunity
to
have.
You
know
that
money
available
when
the
losses
come
through,
but
I
think
it
would
be
very
interesting
for
all
of
us
to
hear
from
our
CPA
our
auditor
on
how
you
actually
have
to
account
for
losses
expected
that
are
going
to
be
guaranteed
in
a
future
budget
year.
C
That
would
be
a
learning
curve
that
we
could,
that
we
could
all
gain
from
I
would
like
us
to
think
about
how
to
come
out
of
this
meeting
I'm
taking
a
vote
that
would
not
guarantee
the
city
put
forward,
even
though
even
the
losses
guaranteed,
but
to
support
the
idea
of
having
a
loan
fund
that
we
could
make
available
to
the
most
vulnerable
businesses
in
our
city,
the
minority,
the
women
businesses
and
the
the
vendors
that
we
all
know.
Charleston
epitomizes
for
the
people
and
that's
that's
the
key.
C
We've
been
talking
and
getting
impatient
from
the
Lowcountry
local
first
councilmember
Gregory.
They
don't
have
enough
hours
in
the
day
to
make
fancy
charts,
but
they
are
keeping
a
list
of
everybody
that
they've
talked
to.
They
try
to
survey
a
variety
of
business
operations,
so
it's
not
just
the
food
and
beverage.
We
all
know
is
pretty
much
decimated
right
now,
so
why
can't
we,
as
a
community
development
community
committee,
that's
being
asked
to
spend
any
money
that
we
actually
are
in
charge
of
for
the
housing
and
the
Community
Development
budget?
C
Why
can't
we
come
out
of
this
meeting
saying
that
we
would
put
forward
the
request
to
the
full
council
to
amend
the
full
council
agenda
tomorrow
night
and
have
this
discussion
at
ways
and
means
and
and
really
make
it
worthwhile,
because
we
have
a
framework
of
what
we
all
say.
We
want
to
do
programmatically.
We
just
need
to
find
the
money,
but
if
we
have
the
vote
by
a
full
council
that
we
want
to
accomplish
this,
then
I
think
it
is
I
mean
the
pump.
We
would
be
able
to
go
to
the
chamber.
C
C
My
request
of
you,
council
member
vigil,
chairman
of
our
committee,
that
if
we
don't
have
to
take
a
formal
vote
on
this,
that
we
put
forward
a
statement
by
you
at
the
council
meeting
that
we
could
that
we
could
make
this
amend
the
agenda
and
ask
to
have
this
on
our
agenda
as
a
council
participation.
Whatever.
We
call
that
the
council
resolution
section
of
our
agenda,
where
we're
allowed
to
put
things
up
for
for
council
discussion.
M
You
know,
mr.
chairman,
we
talked
about
these
losses,
miss
miss
Jackson,
with
all
due
respect.
You
talk
about
these
losses
being
transferred,
which
we
talked
about
transferring
losses
from
business
to
city
government.
That's
what
you're
really
talking
about,
and
none
of
us
I
haven't
heard
where
the
money's
gonna
come
from
to
pay
for
these
losses.
M
Now,
when
you
have
losses
and
city
government,
it's
called
a
deficit,
let's
call
it
what
it
is:
you're
talking
about
transferring
losses
from
businesses
to
city
government
to
create
a
deficit,
and
you
talk
about
going
to
the
chamber
I'm
very,
very
familiar
with
the
Charleston
metro
chamber,
commerce.
You
will
find
more
conservative
people
in
the
chamber.
Then
you
would
liberal
people
in
the
chamber.
I've
had
the
privilege
to
sit
to
the
head
of
that
bullet
team
and
on
the
executive
team.
I
got
almost
15
years
being
involved
with
the
same
chamber
in
this
city.
M
Right,
that's
the
oldest
chamber
continuously
operating
chamber,
the
entire
United
States.
Okay,
you
will
find
many
members
of
that
very
chamber,
and
some
of
you,
I'll
have
referred
to.
That
will
be
that
will
tell
us
city
government
shouldn't
be
involved
with
stimulus
packages,
some
of
the
same
people
that
we
refer
to
will
tell
us.
We
shouldn't
take
taxpayers
dollars
to
fund
private
businesses
this
way
in
particular,
when
we
don't
even
know
where
we're
going
to
get
it
from
to
cover
these
quote-unquote
losses.
M
I
mean
we
ventured
into
a
territory
right
now
that
that's
a
bridge
too
far,
so
you
know
to
have
this
conversation
that
counsel
out
I
thought
our
legal
counsel
told
us.
We
can
have
the
discussion
today,
but
we
couldn't
actually
have
a
vote
on
it
because
it
wasn't
on
the
agenda.
We
put
it
on
the
agenda
for
discussion,
but
when
we
find
out
where
the
money
is
going
to
come
from
and
I,
don't
see
how
we're
going
to
get
to
that
point.
M
Respectfully,
council,
lady
Jackson
or
councilman
sacrament,
until
we
have
our
workshop
to
find
out
demands
already
said
that
we
have
this
workshop
to
find
out
whether
this
is
no
evasive
tactic.
Right
now,
I
think
it's!
Some
of
the
information
you
sent
councilman
saccharin,
it
pointed
out
about
15%
of
the
city's
budget-
is
affected
by
these
various
combination
of
hospitality,
taxes
and
you're
right
about
that
you're
right
about
that.
So
now,
let's
just
say:
hospitality.
M
M
Somehow
we
got
to
find
someplace
else,
and
when
we
talked
about
cutting
expenses,
how
many
police
officers
you
want
to
cut
how
many
firemen
you
want
to
cut
how
many
people
in
the
business
services
office
you
want
to
cut
because
those
are
hard
choices
if
we're
gonna
cut
monies
to
fund
this
from
the
general
fund
and
that's
what
we're
talking
about
from
the
general
fund.
Those
are
the
type
choices
that
the
13
people
will
have
to
make
and
we're
talking
about
voting
on
something
there.
M
M
M
M
More
jobs
are
created
by
small
business
and
any
other
form
of
business
in
America
so
a
month
ago
or
three
weeks
ago,
and
we
were
told
these
businesses
don't
get
money
in
two
weeks,
they're
gonna
die,
they're,
not
gonna,
be
around
I
bet
you
to
say
that
most
of
those
business
on
fact
still
around
now,
they're
hurting
I
agree
with
that
they're
hurting.
But
you
know
what
their
resiliency
was
longer
than
two
weeks
we
were
told
when
we
were
in
the
last
Community
Development
meeting.
If
they
don't
get
this.
M
This
is
just
some
of
the
comment
you,
if
you
don't
get
the
money
in
five
days,
they're
gonna,
close
down
I've
hurt
you
to
say
that
those
business
have
not
closed
down
and
those
five
days
that
was
recanted,
so
the
emotional
part
about
it.
We
really
do
have
to
dispense
with.
As
I
said,
we've
got
eighty
six
percent
of
City
Council
and
the
myth
that
a
small
business
people
so
all
of
us,
because
the
lobby
so
small
business
people
is
the
city,
the
composition
of
City,
Council
and
the
men.
M
So
it
is
not
council
and
sacrament
is
just
not
counseling
and
Jackson
is
concerned
about
this.
Obviously,
you
all
have
had
more
of
a
platform
on
this.
I
am
in
search
of
an
answer
as
well,
but
some
of
the
areas
you
are
pointing
to
and
I
would
caution.
You
know
these
losses
that
we
just
kind
of
battering
about
the
losses
that
you
are
talking
about
potentially
having.
If
we
were
to
have
again
unbalanced
budget,
it
would
hurt
the
taxpayers
and
this
city
for
decades
to
come,
not
just
one
or
two
years.
M
Maybe
it
would
hurt
us
for
decades.
So
we've
got
some
hard
choices
to
me
and
I
look
forward
to
pushing
in
that
whole
direction
with
every
every
one
of
your
that
to
make
these
choices,
but
number
one.
We
have
to
keep
our
people
on
board,
so
the
city
can
keep
operating.
So
when
business
is
ramped
up,
they
expect
those
policemen
nabina.
They
expect
those
firemen
ability
they
expected
the
sanitation
people
to
pick
up
the
trash,
but
if
government
doesn't
people
and
how
does
it
gonna
happen
anyway?
Thank
you.
Mister
chief.
D
Right,
yes,
so
we
Kaname
will
happen
is
because
it
was
a
good
discussion
and
I
think
we
need
to
keep
looking
and
seeing.
We
can
probably
work
out
something
to
find
some
solution,
but
right
now,
I,
don't
see
it
right
now,
I
don't
see
a
solution
yet
so
all
we
can
do
is
keep
looking
at
night.
No
consequence
Akram
and
Councilwoman
Jackson
will
keep
looking
and
we
just
got
to
keep
looking
around
and
see
what
we
can
come
up
with.
But
right
now
the
way
the
city
is
strapped.
D
I,
don't
see
how
the
city
can
do
it
right
now,
I,
don't
I
just
don't
see.
Maybe
something
might
come
up
if
we
wake
up
tomorrow
morning.
Something
else
might
change,
but
I
don't
see
it
yeah.
So
if
you
don't
have
anything
else
to
bring
before
the
committee
I
think
these
I
can
make
a
most
agree
are
close
up.
Can't
remember
yes,.
A
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
point
that
council
member
wearing
brought
up
this
matter.
Having
been
added
to
the
agenda
by
a
two-thirds
vote
in
order
to
be
approved
would
require
a
two-thirds
vote
and
a
specific
finding
of
a
exigent
circumstance.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
point,
because
I
think
one
point
council,
member
wearing
said
it
could
not
be
voted
on.
I
did.