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From YouTube: City of Charleston Committee on Public Safety 6/12/23
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City of Charleston Committee on Public Safety 6/12/23
C
C
This
is
the
meeting
at
the
Public
Safety
Committee
for
the
city
of
of
Charleston
and
I'm,
going
to
use
my
executive
privilege
to
lead
us
in
a
moment
of
silence.
Part
of
our
invocation
I'd
ask
that
you
keep
in
mind
in
your
hearts
of
beloved
former
police
chief
Luther
Reynolds
and
his
family.
It
just
seems
like
yesterday
literally
that
he
joined
our
community
in
Charleston.
C
His
five
years
were
very
short,
but
it's
such
a
tremendous
impact
he
had
on
on
all
of
us
from
every
different
walks
of
life
and
I
know
that
we
can
all
spend
another
two
hours
talking
about
some
personal
experience
we
have
with
Chief
Reynolds,
but
in
his
honor,
in
in
memory
of
him
and
dedication
to
his
family.
Let's
pause
for
a
few
moments
to
offer
our
prayers
for
his
eternal
contribution
to
our
community.
C
Amen.
Thank
you
all
for
indulging
me
on
that.
So
first
next
order
business
approval
on
May,
8
2023
minutes
is
there
a
second.
C
Posey
always
have
it.
The
first
item
of
new
business
is
the
amendments
to
our
Citizen
Police
advisory,
Council
guidelines
and
I
know
that
we
have
a
a
lot
of
folks
from
the
CPAC
on
here
in
Steve
Roman.
Do
you
want
to
lead
us
in
that
part
of
the
discussion
first,
to
sort
of
give
us
an
outline
of
what
these
changes
are,
read
them
and
looked
them
over
and
the
necessity
of
why
we
need
to
do
that.
E
Yeah
I'll,
just
summarize
what
the
changes
are,
and
basically
this
kind
of
came
about,
because
in
CPAC
we
were
having
trouble
filling
the
positions.
There
were
a
number
of
vacancies
on
the
council
and
some
of
the
people
that
we
did
have
appointed
were
not
participating.
So
a
lot
of
these
changes
are
aimed
at
trying
to
get
those
slots
filled
and
and
get
people
to
to
participate
more
in
the
CPAC
process.
E
So
in
summary,
we
expanded
the
youth
representation
from
just
High
School,
seniors
to
all
high
school
students
and
also
college
students,
so
long
as
you're
21
years
old
or
younger.
At
the
time
of
your
appointment
and
we've
expanded
the
term
that
a
youth
representative
can
serve
from
one
year
to
three
years,
we
found
that
the
people
that
are
engaged
by
the
time
they
kind
of
get
their
footing
and
the
year
is
up,
and
then
we
have
to
replace
them.
E
E
E
Members
must
be
reappointed
to
Second
terms.
However,
members
may
continue
to
serve
until
reappointed
or
replaced.
So
we
eliminate
that
Gap
City,
Council
Members
shall
be
notified
30
days
in
advance
of
the
expiration
of
their
appointees
term
or
you'll,
be
notified
immediately
in
the
event
of
your
appointee,
resigns
or
is
removed
from
the
council,
and
then
the
appointing
authority
has
30
days
to
up
to
nominate
someone
else
and
in
the
absence
of
a
nomination,
the
mayor
would
be
allowed
to
appoint
someone
to
that
position.
E
The
elections
for
the
chair
and
vice
chair
will
take
place
on
an
annual
basis
at
the
last
meeting
of
the
year,
and
then
the
term
will
begin
January
1st
of
the
next
year
for
the
newly
elected
chair
and
vice
chair.
There
is
no
limit
to
the
number
of
times
you
can
serve
as
chair
or
vice
chair,
so
the
same
chair
or
vice
chair
could
be
elected
a
number
of
years
in
a
row
by
the
council.
E
We
eliminated
the
independent
third
party
facilitator
role,
as
CPAC
has
been
acting
without
that
person
for
the
last
four
years.
You
may
recall
that
was
Reverend
Middleton
was
the
original
facilitator
and
he
was
working
with
the
group
on
some
of
those
polarity
thinking
and
decision
making
issues
that
came
out
of
the
illumination
project.
E
We
defined
the
role
of
the
clerk's
office
better
with
the
help
of
Jennifer.
They
maintain
the
minutes
of
the
meetings
of
the
full
CPAC
membership,
the
post
meeting
agendas
and
notices
on
the
website,
and
they
store
minutes
and
agendas
for
the
full
CPAC
membership.
E
We
defined
a
quorum
as
a
majority
of
members
and
we're
not
counting
vacant
seats
in
that
equation.
So
if
there
is
only
14
members
as
opposed
to
18
appointed,
a
majority
would
be
eight
rather
than
nine.
E
We
outlined
a
procedure
for
CPAC
to
provide
comments,
suggestions
or
recommendations
regarding
policy
and
procedures,
and
that
is
attached
as
an
appendix
to
the
guidelines.
It's
basically
a
flow
chart.
We
identify
policies
and
procedures
that
we
intend
to
revise
on
an
annual
basis
and
then
from
those
CPAC
picks
the
ones
that
they're
interested
in
and
they
send
that
out
to
their
full
membership
or
comments
which
are
then
brought
back
to
the
department
and
the
chief
ultimately
decides
which
of
those
he
or
she
would
accept
or
or
not
accept
as
recommendations.
E
Cpac
has
asked
that
they
be
allowed
to
report
annually
either
to
the
Public
Safety
Committee
or
the
council
regarding
their
work
for
that
year.
There's
a
provision
that
provides
that
CPAC
members
will
communicate
with
their
appointing
authority
at
least
two
times
a
year
and
then
also
that
CPAC
will
participate
in
the
racial
bias.
E
Audit,
as
is
provided
by
the
audit,
there's
very
specific
recommendations
as
to
the
role
of
CPAC
and
then
CPAC
will
also
offer
their
feedback
to
CPD
the
city
and
the
assessors
that
are
working
on
the
the
audits
or
assessment
of
the
racial
bias.
Audit
and.
C
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
yeah,
just
wanted
to
ask
Mr
Roman
I
think
we
have
some
people
that
are
rolling
off
right
now.
On
there
I
see
my
person
that
was
appointed
may
be
one
of
those
but
I
haven't
received
any
notice
that
I'm
aware
of
maybe
I
missed
it,
but
I
just
wanted
to
check
who
reports
that
out
to
the
city,
council
members
I,
know
you're
saying:
we've
got
30
days
from
the
time
we
receive
it,
I
think
but
yeah,
but
I
haven't
received
anything
on
my
you
know
my
nominee
be
rolling
off.
F
E
Yeah
and
and
we
haven't,
provided
you
notice
and
we
we
need
to
do
that,
but
your
your
appointee
was
Ryan
Davis,
who
was
a
very
active
member
on
the
council,
but
at
the
last
meeting,
I
believe
on
June
1st.
He
indicated
that
that
he
he
wanted
to
come
off
so
so
you
will
be
able
to
appoint
a
new
new
member
to
the
council.
C
D
C
Now
we've
opened
up
for
discussion,
so
councilman
Brady
any
questions
or
comments.
D
No
I
I
have
a
good
working
relationship
with
Paul
Tamborino
who's
on
this
call,
and
he
did
notify
me
that
his
term
was
ending.
So
I
would
like
to
reappoint
him
if
he
was
willing
to
serve
another
term.
C
I
think
he
put
you,
he
put
you
on
the
spot.
Paul
you
get.
We
got
a
thumbs
up,
Mr
Mayor
any
comments
or
questions.
Nobody.
G
Changes
I
want
to
thank
chairman
Paul
and
the
other
members
I
see
Mr
Harris
on
on
the
line.
I
know
he's
on
the
committee
as
well
for
their
service
and
I
support.
These
changes,
I
think
they're
administrative,
mostly
in
nature,
just
to
ensure
we
get
full
and
continued
and
better
participation.
Thanks.
Thank.
C
You
councilmember
Sheely
any
other
comments.
F
No
sir,
not
other
than
then
I,
certainly
support
Paul
Tamborino
being
brought
back
on
this
committee
too.
He's
done
a
great
job,
I,
don't
know
an
outstanding
job.
We
appreciate
it.
C
Okay,
so
Steve
the
only
question
I
had-
and
this
is
just
me-
sticking
my
nose
under
this
tent,
so
to
speak,
and
not
not
sure
what
pages
is
almost
under
the
removal
section
and
it
says
all
advisory
council
members
are
expected
to
participate
and
attend
all
advisory
Council
meetings
and
then,
if
a
advisory
council
member
misses
three
consecutive
meetings
without
cause,
so
I'm
wondering
is,
is
that
too
high
of
a
bar
I
mean
three
in
a
row
as
opposed
to
and
I
think
you
give
yourself
a
little
bit
more
wiggle
room
as
well,
but
in
other
words,
if
a
person,
this
is
a
majority
of
these
meetings
and
it
may
be
not
exactly
three
in
a
row
three
consecutive
meetings,
but
he
may
miss
four
or
five
or
whatever.
C
That
would
seem
to
be
a
disqualifying
issue
as
well.
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
a
problem
for
the
the
committee
that
they
were.
C
Dealing
with
that,
but
anyhow,
it
seemed
like
the
an
issue
with
three
consecutives,
like
a
heart
pattern,
to
cause
somebody
to
be
removed,
as
opposed
to
the
majority
of
the
meetings
instead
and
I'll
list
for
response
from
you
or
from
anybody
else
on
the
CPAC
that
they
have
a
comment
about
that.
E
I
think
it
was
back
in
April.
We
did
a
kind
of
an
attendance
chart
because
there
were
some
people
that
had
not
only
missed
a
majority
of
meetings.
They
had
been
absent
for
months
on
end
and
so
I
believe
chair,
Tamborino,
reached
out
to
those
people.
Some
responded
with
resignations
and
the
ones
that
didn't
respond.
I
think
there
was
maybe
one
or
two
that
were
actually
removed
by
the
Council
on
that
provision.
E
But
you
know
I
I,
think
we
we
try
and
reach
out
to
people
and
and
find
out
what
their
you
know
what
their
situation
is
before
we
you
know
we
we
act
on
a
removal,
but
I
I,
don't
have
any
strong
feelings
about
that.
I
know:
council,
member
Tamborino
is
on
and
I
I
think
yeah.
H
H
Yes,
sir,
so
we
certainly
don't
meet
as
often
as
you
all
do.
So
when
we
say
that's
really
represents
six
months
of
no
participation,
so
that's
it's
impacted
our
ability
to
have
a
quorum,
and
it
really
for
the
you
know
for
the
representatives
that
participated
at
the
police
department,
there's
nothing
worse
for
me,
there
being
more
police
representation
after
hours
than
people
that
have
volunteered
to
be
on
this
group,
and
typically
when
they've
been
gone
for
three
meetings,
it's
representative
they're
not
participating
in
really
anything
that
we're
doing
so.
H
C
H
Away,
please
also
understand
we're
discretionary
right,
so
yeah
that
had
been
going
on
for
a
long
time,
so
the
people
that
removed
had
missed
six
seven
eight
meetings
I
just
when
I
became
chair
finally
said
enough-
is
enough.
You
know
we
need
to
clear
the
deck
and
enable
people
who
want
to
serve
to
have
a
vacancy
to
come
on
board.
So
we
do
have
discretion.
We
don't
have
to
take
it
up
for
a
vote.
C
Okay,
council
member
seekings
is
on
with
us
councilman
seekinges
I
got
your
text.
Did
you
want
to
comment
about
that.
I
Sure
and
I
really
don't
want
to
gum
this
up,
seeing
as
I'm
not
on
the
committee,
but
one
of
the
requirements.
I
think
that
Steve
read
as
he
went
through
the
bullet
points
was
that
when
we
appoint
someone
it
has
to
be
within
the
district,
they
have
to
reside
within
a
certain
District.
I
might
take
that
out
and
just
make
sure
they
live
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
I
mean
there's
plenty
of
people
that
I
would
consider
appointing
that.
Don't
necessarily
live
in
District
8..
H
That's
something
that
I
will
tell
you
that
I
recommended
so
I
guess
part
of
the
perspective
is
if
a
council
member
can't
find
one
person
in
their
District
to
sit
on
this.
You
know
that
that's
that's
Troublesome.
To
me,
number
two
is
I
want
to
avoid
the
idea
of
hypothetically
having
seven
eight
nine
people
from
Daniel
Island
sitting
on
something
that's
supposed
to
respect.
You
know,
you
know,
reflect
the
disparity
of
our
community
and
that
that
really
it
has-
and
it
can
happen
so
I
just
I
like
to
see
that
it
comes
from
each
district.
I
Okay,
well,
I'll
respectfully
disagree
with
that
and
yes,
sir
one
of
those
guys.
J
C
8
of
18.,
okay
and
so
part
of
the
changes
is
regarding
Quorum
is
going
to
help.
You
continue
to
meet
the
way
that
Quorum
language
has
been
Rewritten
correct.
Yes,.
H
C
All
right,
okay,
so
with
the
exception
of
the
comments
from
council
member
seekinges,
any
other
comments
or
questions
before
we
call.
K
Okay,
yes,
sir,
just
a
couple
of
quick
observations,
one,
the
recommend
most
of
the
recommended
changes,
make
a
lot
of
sense.
The
first
guidelines
were
adopted
in
May
of
2018
is
five
years
later,
a
lot
of
water
is
going
under
the
bridge.
K
K
Steve
actually
accurately
reported
that
up
to
2019
there
was
a
facilitated
Reverend
Middleton.
The
whole
concept
in
part
of
the
CPAC
emerged
out
of
the
illumination
project,
illumination
project
kind
of
faded
with
the
transition
in
Chief.
Simultaneously
we
had
the
racial
bias
auditor
arise.
There
was
nothing
in
the
guidelines.
I
spoke
to
the
responsibility
of
CPAC
as
related
to
the
guidelines
and
Steve
I
disagree
with
you.
K
If
you
read
the
recommendations
in
the
audit
report,
it
says
that
the
responsibility
and
role
of
CPAC
is
unclear
and
that
it
should
be
clarified.
K
So
I
think
we
need
to
work
a
little
bit
on
the
language.
I
appreciate
it
being
inserted
regarding
C
packs
or
Smalls
and
responsibilities,
as
in
relation
to
racial
bias,
ordered,
but
I
think
that
needs
to
be
clarified.
I
do
feel
very
strongly
in
looking
at
the
history
from
June
of
2019
to
January
of
2020..
So
did
you
excuse
me
June
of
2020.
There
was
one
CPAC
meeting
that
meeting
did
not
have
a
quorum
and
we
had
to
reproof.
So
in
essence,
for
a
full
year,
CPAC
was
inoperative.
K
Cpac's
role
in
terms
of
doing
Outreach
has
been
supported.
Well,
the
work
of
CPAC
has
been
supported
primarily
by
the
director
of
procedural
Justice
by
the
department
for
nine
months.
Acquisition
was
vacated,
I
think
part
of
our
ineffectiveness
or
inability
to
move
has
been
the
result
of
not
having
that
external
resource
that
additional
resource
and
I
would
respectfully
request
that,
at
least
until
after
the
assessment
of
the
racial
bias,
audit
is
completed
that
the
provision
to
remove
the
facilitated
language
be
not
included
in
these
amendments.
C
F
Over
well,
thank
you,
Mr
chairman
yeah,
I
guess.
I
was
curious
with
with
the
number
of
absences
that
we've
had.
Are
those
council
member
appointments
or
were
those
those
high
school
students
or
who
made
up
the
issue?
That's
that's
causing
the
attendance
problems,
I,
guess
or
causing
the
Quorum
issue.
E
I
mean
it,
it
ranges
we
we've
had
some
All-Star
high
school
students
that
have
participated
in
every
meeting.
We've
had
others
that
didn't
show
up
at
all
and
that
that
is
true
for
some
of
the
adults
as
well.
So.
H
C
Steve,
can
you
respond
to
Mr
Harris's
comment
about
the
facilitator
part.
E
I'm
just
I'm
looking
at
the
language,
that's
in
the
original
guidelines,
and
it
says
the
facilitator's
role
shall
be
to
assist
the
advisory
council
with
deliberation
and
decision
making
by
serving
as
a
neutral
and
honest
broker.
E
The
facilitator
will
also
provide
training
on
problem
analysis,
problem,
solving
polarity
thinking
and
decision
making,
so
I
mean
that
language,
if
it
was
very
specifically
drafted
with
someone
like
kylon
Middleton
in
mind,
because
he
had
that
training
through
the
illumination
project
to
to
train
the
Council
on
those
those
Concepts
in
order
to
you
know
follow
through
with
that.
At
this
point,
we
would
need
to
find
someone
with
his
qualifications
to
to
do
that,
training
and
and
work
with
the
decision
making
and
deliberation
aspects
of
that
role.
E
And
I
don't
think,
there's
I
mean
if
we
wanted
to
have
an
independent
third
person
assists.
You
know,
CPAC
I
think
part
of
Reverend
Middleton's.
You
know
role
was
just
to
get
this
off
the
ground
to
help.
You
know
think
of
topics
that
they
wanted
to
explore
and
and
work
with
the
the
council
and
the
police
department
as
to
how
how
the
meetings
were
going
to
be
conducted
and
all
that
I
think
we.
E
You
know
we
kind
of
accomplished
that
when
we
do
have
the
meetings,
but
certainly
if
the
city
wanted
to
provide
a
facilitator,
I,
don't
think
that
would
hurt
at
all,
certainly
I,
don't
think
anyone's
opposed
to
that
it
just
hasn't
been
necessary
for
a
while.
H
H
We've
hit
some
Road
bumps
at
times
over
policies
and
procedures.
To
me,
sometimes
having
that
facilitator
in
the
middle,
who
is
either
director
of
procedural
Justice
is
an
employee
of
the
police
department.
Having
that
person
in
the
middle,
you
know,
while
we've
not
necessarily
needed
it
wholeheartedly,
knowing
it's
available.
If
there
does
come
some
type
of
disagreement
over
which
policies
are
reviewed,
recommendations,
things
like
that,
I
think
having
that
third
party
there
there
is
a
benefit
to
it.
If
it's
possible.
C
C
All
right,
I'll
entertain,
does
any
changes.
Emotions
for
modification
are
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor
to
adopt
has
written
these
changes
any
further
discussion
from
members
of
the
council,
Mr
Mayor
anything
else,
Brady.
C
Right
so
seeing
this
new,
the
motion
on
the
floor
is
to
adopt.
B
Mr,
chairman
apologies,
Mr
Harris
has
his
hand
up
I,
don't
know
if
that's.
C
So
but
I'm
going
to
end
the
discussion
period
of
this
with
this,
so
there's
no
other
motion
to
amend
but
to
keep
to
approve
it.
As
with
these
amendments,
I
suggested.
Is
that
correct?
That's!
What's
on
the
floor
right
now,
all
right
all
right
with
that.
There
then
I'll
call
for
the
vote,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed.
C
Let's
say
the
eyes:
have
it
all
right,
we'll
keep
it
we'll
approve
the
changes
we've
heard
from
the
two
chair
Brooks
about
the
facilitative
part
about
that
and
we'll
make
sure
I'll
bring
that
up
to
the
attention
of
the
full
Council
when
we
meet
on
June
20th.
Okay,
great
all
right!
The
next
item
on
our!
Thank
you
all
by
the
way,
all
the
CPAC
leadership
members
who
have
been
very
dedicated
to
this
I've
seen
this
successful.
C
Thank
you
all
for
your
role
and
some
good
discussion
about
this
membership
and
making
sure
that
we've
got
somebody
on
that.
My
my
designee
sent
me
a
full
report,
so
Missouri
I'm
pleased
with
my
desert
he's
sending
me
something
just
recently
while
in
her
meetings.
L
Well,
I
will
be
leading
the
presentation,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out.
This
was
a
collaborative
effort,
so
council
member
seekings
was
a
great
Champion
for
us
on
this
project.
We've
also
got
Lieutenant
Byrne
and
Captain
Bruder
with
us,
and
then
Christina
off
from
my
office
is
on
and
hopefully
in
a
couple
of
minutes.
Chris
Meyer
from
intellicheck
might
be
able
to
join
us,
but
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Hey.
L
L
Oh
great,
okay,
so
if
there
are
any
questions
about
intellicheck,
specifically
Chris
can
help
us
with
all
right.
So
what
we're
doing
here
today
is
just
to
to
update
you
all
on
a
six-month
pilot
program
that
we
just
recently
came
to
the
end
of
switch
here-
okay,
great
so
to
start
with
I,
just
kind
of
want
to
do
a
refresher,
because
it's
been
six
months
since
we
started
the
program.
L
So
the
reason
that
we
did
this
is
multifaceted
so,
and
these
are
some
stats
from
intellicheck
that
I'm
sharing
here
so
Across,
the
Nation
about
half
of
college
students
have
admitted
to
having
a
fake
ID,
they're,
really
easy
to
get
and
they've
gotten
really
good.
They
will.
They
will
pass
a
lot
of
the
the
checks
that
people
have
been
doing
previously.
L
What
a
lot
of
kids
don't
realize
is
not
only
is
this
putting
them
in
danger,
but
having
them
consume
alcohol
before
they
are
ready,
but
it
could
also
put
them
in
danger
of
actual
identity
theft,
because
they're
giving
over
their
personal
information
to
the
people
making
these
IDs
the
way
intellicheck
works
is.
It
is
just
a
quick
scan
of
the
barcode
that
receives
decrypts
and
analyzes
the
barcode
data.
This
is
a
Step
Beyond.
What
some
other
platforms
provide
and
then
it
does
verification
results
pretty
much
immediately
thereafter.
L
L
So
what
we
agreed
to
was
a
six-month
pilot
program,
and
this
allowed
late
night
establishments
on
the
peninsula
to
have
access
to
this
platform
that
is
used
by
a
lot
of
other
law
enforcement
agencies,
including
the
city's
Police
Department.
The
goal
here
was
to
eliminate
underage
drinking
in
the
area
and
just
make
it
generally
a
safer
place
for
students
in
the
community.
L
The
details
of
that
agreement
were
that
up
to
31
establishments
were
provided
five
licenses,
so
you
could
have
five
mobile
devices
active
with
the
program
per
business
and
you
were
able
to
do
unlimited
transactions
under
a
flat
fee
that
the
city
cost
shared
with
Explorer
Charleston.
This
is
really
important
because
intellicheck's
model
is
usually
transaction
based.
L
L
This
is
a
photo
from
the
press
announcement
that
we
did
about
the
program
and
a
quote
from
the
mayor,
because
I
do
want
to
point
out.
We
knew
this
was
not
going
to
be
like
a
Panacea
right.
It
takes
a
combination
of
things
to
address
the
issues
that
we're
having
with
late
night
activity,
and
this
was
just
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
doing
to
address-
that,
in
addition
to
our
late
night,
ordinance,
the
Upper
King
Street
safety
program,
several
other
things
so
how'd
it
go.
Here's
the
data.
L
From
the
past
six
months,
we
scanned
over
a
hundred
thousand
IDs
across
27
venues.
L
That's
about
5
000
scans
a
week
and
about
three
percent
of
those
came
back
as
either
just
straight
up
failed
as
fake
IDs
or
expired,
and
the
expired
ones
are
really
important
in
college
campus
studies,
because
this
is
usually
an
instance
of
someone
using
their
older
brother,
their
older
sisters,
their
cousin's
ID.
That
has
expired,
but
they
look
enough
like
to
maybe
kind
of
try
to
pass
so
the
expired
ones
are
usually
indicators
of
the
same
underage
drinking
issue.
L
So
how
does
that
compare
like?
How
are
we
doing
so?
This
is
also
some
data
from
intellicheck
they've
done
a
lot
of
scans
this
year
in
a
lot
of
college
campus
cities
and
what
they're
getting
back
is
about
four
percent,
so
right
kind
of
in
line
with
what
we
got
from
our
numbers
of
scans
that
are
either
failed,
ID
verifications
or
were
expired.
L
What
we
are
proposing
to
do
next
now
that
the
pilot
program
is
wrapping
up,
is
intellicheck,
has
graciously
offered
to
provide
a
discount
to
all
businesses
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
whether
they
participated
in
the
pilot
program
or
not
it's
kind
of
hard
for
me
to
like
State.
How
much
of
a
discount
this
is
again,
like
I,
said
they're,
usually
based
on
a
per
transaction
model
for
their
pricing,
so
the
fact
that
they're
able
to
provide
this
base
fee
and
a
lower
transaction
amount
once
you
exceed
that
base,
is
a
great
discount
for
businesses.
L
C
C
G
Megan,
have
we
done
any
kind
of
poll
of
the
27
establishments
to
determine
of
the
at
the
reduced
rate,
that's
being
offered?
How
many
would
continue
the
service?
We
have
an
idea
about
that
estimate.
L
We
did
do
a
survey
kind
of
Midway
through
the
pilot
to
see
how
they
were
liking
it
most
of
it
was
positive
feedback.
We
did
not
have
these
specific
discount
dollars
to
share
with
them
yet,
but
we're
going
to
work
with
intellicheck
to
promote
that,
but
I
do
think.
There's
going
to
be
some
interest
in
continuing
the
program.
G
Great
and
I
I
guess
you
know,
given
the
intent
of
this,
this
program
pilot
program
I'd
like
to
also
ask
some
Lieutenant,
Byrne
or
or
Bruder
if
they
would
a
pine
on
whether
it
made
a
difference,
did
it
make
Upper
King,
Street
or
the
the
establishments
that
used
it?
Did
it
make
it
safer?
Did
it
did
it
help
us.
M
Done
sir
well
done
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
I
would
I
would
say
that
it
has
made
a
difference.
We
have
written
fewer
and
fewer
false
ID
or
identity
theft,
citations.
We
have
fewer
medical
calls,
which
is
really
the
one
that
I
I
looked
at.
Most
importantly,
you
know:
we've
we've
talked
about
it
in
the
past,
where
underage
drinking
and
binge
drinking
are
strongly
correlated.
M
We've
had
we've
had
fewer
medical
calls
for
intoxicated
or
passed
out.
People,
and
we've
also
had
to
worry
about
some
of
our
public
drunk
cases,
less
we're
seeing
the
ability
for
officers
to
shift
towards
violent
crime
as
opposed
toward
our
previous
Focus,
which
was
a
lot
of
the
public
intoxication
and
disorderly
conduct.
We
still
have
disorderly
conduct,
but
the
officers
are
able
to
use
their
time
and
their
energy
to
be
able
to
focus
more
on
the
problems
that
started
the
entire
issue
and
we're
we're
seeing
positive
results
from
that.
Yes,
sir.
N
If
I
may-
yes,
sir
Captain
just
add
to
that,
you
know
anecdotally,
I
know
it
created
some
interest,
just
the
whole
publicity
of
intellicheck.
The
fact
that
we're
doing
this,
the
fact
that
we're
focusing
on
it
I
received
several
papers
from
College
of
Charleston
of
students
asking
why
we
focus
so
much
on
underage
drinking
and
those
types
of
things
which
led
to
some
very
interesting
conversations
about
economy
and
all
kinds
of
other
stuff
in
business
majors.
But
you
know
so
it
was,
if
nothing
more
than
just
getting
the
word
out
there
that
this
is.
N
You
know,
there's
not
many
businesses
that
are
receiving
customers
under
the
age
of
21.
We
are
focusing
on
it.
The
businesses
are
on
board
as
well,
and
so
that
that
that
may
be
something
we're
not
able
to
measure,
but
it
definitely
got
the
word
out
there
that
this
is
not
a
town
you
want
to.
You
know,
risk
trying
to
use
an
ID
and
that
type
of
stuff
and
it
it
definitely
got
the
the
conversation
in
the
college
area,
discussing
other
options.
So.
I
O
I
I
The
numbers
are
pretty
staggering:
there
was
a
a
huge
use
of
it.
The
number
of
fake
IDs
that
were
put
pulled
was
in
the
thousands.
So
if
you
think
about
that,
that's
thousands
of
people
that
otherwise
would
be
in
a
place.
They
shouldn't
be
not
there
and
I
can
just
tell
you
anecdotally.
The
word
out
there
and
I
think
Lieutenant
Bruder
touched
on
this.
The
word
out
there
amongst
Andre's
drinking,
not
just
at
the
college
but
particularly
at
the
college,
is
that
you're
just
not
going
to
be
able
to
use.
I
Some
of
these
is
now
very
Advanced
pieces
of
Technology
they're,
not
just
IDs
anymore
they're,
very
Advanced
pieces
of
technology
to
get
by
it.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
Meg
to
Chris
Meyer
who's
on
this
call
from
intellijk
to
Lieutenant,
Byrne
and
Captain
Bruder.
They
really
got
behind
this
and
believed
in
it.
I
So
did
the
teams
out
on
the
street
and
I
I
do
believe
that
this
type
of
technology
is
one
of
the
many
tools
that
will
be
available
to
the
industries
and
the
businesses
here
in
the
city
and
ultimately
not
by
the
city
but
by
the
insurance
carriers,
and
others
is
going
to
be
required
so
to
show
in
advance
that
it
works
at
a
discounted
rate
and
the
benefit
that
it
brings
to
these
businesses.
I
think
bodes
well
long
term
for
the
private
sector
to
get
in
and
continue
on
with
using
this
technology.
I
So
thank
you
all
for
being
participants.
I
do
think
this
was
a
success
and
and
shows
what
you
can
do
when
you
put
your
minds
to
it
and
get
out
there
and
give
support
to
your
businesses
to
your
law
enforcement
team
to
your
city,
and
it's
worked.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
chime
in
and
thank
you
all
again
for
that
core
team
for
really
working
hard
on
this
we
met
weekly.
We
reviewed
the
numbers
we
chased
after
the
businesses.
I
We
encouraged
them
at
times
strongly
to
use
it,
and
one
of
the
businesses
that
wasn't
using
it
early
on
ended
up
being
the
business
that
used
it.
The
most
I
mean
had
tens
of
thousands
of
swipes
on
it,
so
that
was
that
was
Meg's
doing
pretty
much.
So
thanks,
Mr
chairman
thanks
team
Let's
see
how
this
goes
going
forward
and
and
thanks
Chris
and
the
TeleCheck
for
sponsoring
this
on
the
front
end
appreciate
it.
C
I
I
just
want
to
springboard
a
little
bit
about
the
comment
that
you
made
about.
The
insurance
companies
are
going
to
sort
of
force
the
hand
on
on
this,
I
mean
it's
just
I'm
a
liability
standpoint.
C
Entertainment
District
you'll
have
to
explain
why
you're
not
going
to
be
using
this
technology
if
it's
available
and
out
there
so
I,
don't
know
if
we
need
to
do
anything
else
more
of
requiring
it
I
think
it's
going
to
have
sort
of
a
natural
consequence
that
it's
going
to
be
part
of
the
standard
noun
with
these
Entertainment
District,
because
facilitators
doing
that
having
that
kind
of
Technology.
C
I
During
the
pilot
program
was
not,
and
thanks
to
it
in
teletech,
it
will
still
be
very
affordable
going
forward
if
they
choose
to
keep
on
keeping
on
through
the
city
of
Charleston's
program,
and
we
will
encourage
them
to
do
that
and
let
them
know
that
this
is
available
to
them
going
forward
at
a
rate.
That
really
should
be
something
that's
very
beneficial
to
the
bottom
line.
C
So
so
may
do
we
just
need
to
extend
this
one
I
mean
there's
not
no
action.
That
needs
to
be
taken
on
this,
but
this
is
going
to
be
extended
another
six
months
or.
L
So
we're
going
to
extend
the
free
pilot
through
July
5th,
we've
already
made
that
agreement
with
them
and
then
Chris
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
they
haven't
given
me
an
end
date
for
the
discount
program.
Okay,.
C
Well
now,
maybe
it
may
be
worthwhile
to
hear
back
from
you
in
our
August
public
safety
meeting
committee
meeting.
L
Really
sure
and
then
Lieutenant
burned
it
has.
M
Mr
chairman,
the
the
question
that
was
just
brought
up
about
whether
or
not
you
know
we
require
it.
The
insurance
companies
I
know
that,
with
the
l
e
applications
that
we've
been
receiving
under
the
new
format,
many
of
the
businesses,
especially
the
ones
that
have
been
using
it,
have
already
reported
that
they're
going
to
continue
to
use
some
form
of
intellicheck
in
their
underage
drinking
plans.
M
We
also
have
the
ability
to
require
it
for
places
that
are
are
problematic
and
we
learned
a
lot
about
the
problematic
businesses
and
who
is
and
is
not
acting
in
good
faith
through
this
program
by
it.
The
people
that
took
it
and
didn't
use
it.
So
a
lot
of
information
was
gained
from
a
management
program
or
perspective
as
well.
C
L
C
Very
good
all
right.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
brief.
Municipal
Court
update
from
a
one
and
only
Susan
chief
judge,
Susan,
rodina
and
I
saw
earlier
unless
they
have
faded
off
several
members
of
our
Municipal
Court
judges
are
only
a
judge.
Maloney
I
see
you
judge
Ferguson
here
I'm.
Looking
at
my
I
I
saw
a
judge
and
bird
who
am
I
missing.
P
Judge
Byrd
stepped
out
for
a
minute
to
conduct
traffic
court,
but
she'll
be
back
in
at
her
point
in
the
presentation
so
but
I
I'll
start
it
off.
I
I
promise
we'll
be
briefer.
This
year,
Julia
has
promised
to
hit
the
yellow
flashing
and
red
flashing
lights
to
call
our
time
after
a
little
bit.
But
first
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
the
opportunity
to
be
back
here,
which
I
guess
is
now
our
annual
report
state
of
the
court
report.
P
In
addition
to
the
judges,
we
have
Jason
Michael
who's,
our
public
defender,
several
lawyers
from
the
police
department
and
prosecutor's
office,
and
also
Court
staff,
James
Moody
and
Joanne
Hayes
who've
been
really
helpful.
Putting
this
information
together
today,
briefly
we're
just
going
to
focus
on
two
areas.
P
The
first
one
I
want
to
talk
about
is
numbers,
and,
although
we're
not
going
to
get
into
a
whole
lot
of
numbers,
they
are
important
and
and
I'll
tell
you
that
our
goal
that
we've
talked
about
and
are
working
to
achieve
is
that
a
case
will
not
be
older
than
18
months.
P
Once
it's
filed
in
our
court
and
and
that's
a
heavy
lift
given
covid
but
I,
think
we're
working
toward
that
quite
well
and
as
we
all
know,
why
that's
important,
because
old
cases
don't
help
defendants
it
does
it
doesn't
help
a
victim.
It
doesn't
help.
Families
and
victims
doesn't
have
the
help.
P
The
police
department
so
again
that
that
is
a
goal
and
and
I
think
we're
going
to
put
up
a
few
numbers
or
talk
about
a
few
numbers
that
show
we're
making
some
great
progress
but
the,
but
the
numbers
aren't
the
whole
story,
and
so
the
other
thing
we
wanted
to
talk
about
today
is
to
introduce
you
particularly
to
the
lawyer,
to
those
lawyers
and
to
others
who
are
not
familiar
with
the
court
to
what
we
call
our
specialty
courts,
which
is
the
livability
SDR
Court.
P
The
DUI
Court,
which
I
know,
is
upfront
in
Center
to
all
of
you
and
then
also
our
homeless
court,
and
each
of
the
judges
who
are
in
charge
of
those
courts
are
just
going
to
talk
for
a
few
minutes
about
what
they
do
on
a
everyday
basis,
and
some
of
the
challenges
that
they're
facing
so
I
did
I
did
put
up.
A
I
did
send
a
little
presentation
to
each
of
you
earlier
today.
P
I
just
want
to
focus
on
really
what's
on
page
three
I'm
not
going
to
even
share
it,
because
I
don't
want
to
get
bogged
out
of
the
numbers,
but
but
I
do
think
it's
impressive,
and
this
is
a
charge
that
judge
Byrd
worked
on
with
our
new
CMS
Court
recording
system,
and
that
is
last
year
or
which
was
our
reporting
period.
Last
year
from
June
1
2021
to
5
31
2022,
there
were
9062
cases
filed
in
our
Municipal
Court.
P
Okay
of
those
and
again
that's
just
the
case
is
filed
in
that
one
year
period
there
are
only
352
cases
pending
okay,
6.3
percent
are
criminal
or
livability
2.6
our
traffic
and
DUI.
Now
that
doesn't
mean
there
aren't
older
cases,
okay,
but
that
is
showing
about
how,
on
an
annual
basis,
we're
really
working
hard
to
not
get
farther
behind.
In
our
cases
in
the
past
year
same
period
of
reporting
compared
to
9062
cases,
we
had
over
12
000
cases
filed
okay
and
of
those
12
000
cases.
P
Within
a
year
we
have
res.
We
only
have
pending
2639
of
those
cases.
So,
basically,
within
a
year,
we
have
resolved
78
of
the
cases
that
have
come
before
this
court
so
again
and
you'll
hear
the
challenges,
particularly
from
Judge
Ferguson,
that
he
faces
on
cleaning
up
some
of
his
older
cases.
P
Q
Yeah
I
was
actually
doing
some
pre-trials
today,
yeah,
let's
remember
so.
Yeah
I
was
given
five
minutes
and,
of
course,
I
could
talk
as
long
as
we
want.
If
anybody
has
any
questions
feel
free
to
give
me
a
call
offline,
but
the
livability
court
for
those
who
aren't
familiar
with
it
is
basically
a
specialty
court
that
addresses
quality
of
life
issues
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
and
by
that
I
mean
the
vast
majority
of
people
that
appear
in
front
of
me
are
either
citizens
or
city
employees.
Q
It
could
be
an
animal
control
officer,
it
could
be
Lee
batchelder,
it
could
be.
You
know
the
Fire
Marshal's
office
and
we
hold
Court
every
other
Monday
at
8
30..
We
start
right
at
8
30
and
we
always
have
a
city
prosecutor
right
now
we
have
an
in-house
prosecutor,
Mallory
Shear
who's
present
in
court,
and
she
assists
with
presenting
cases
because
frequently
we'll
have
neighborhood
groups
witnesses
to
animal
control
cases.
Q
What
have
you
and
she
makes
sure
that
the
testimony
is
presented
properly
at
the
end
of
the
the
case,
whatever
the
disposition
is,
there's
a
written
order
that
I
make
sure
that
each
one
of
the
defendants
and
the
Witnesses
are
there
will
have,
because
many
of
the
of
the
cases
that
I
hear
are
ongoing
cases.
It
might
be
a
case
of
a
public
nuisance.
What
have
you
so
we
try
to
do
other
than
just
sign
up
on
the
tickets,
where
there's
no
record
of
it
for
the
actual
litigants
that
are
in
court.
Q
We
give
them
that
at
10
o'clock
we
do
the
short-term
rental
Court.
That
also
is
staffed
by
an
in-house
attorney
magalee
Creech
and
we
PR
we've
handled
a
significant
number
of
short-term
rental
cases.
I
can
continue
to
commend
the
city
the
way
they
handled
drafting
that
ordinance
and
also
the
way
the
cases
have
been
prosecuted.
It
makes
my
job
as
a
judge
very
easy
when
you
can
simply
check
the
box
so
to
speak,
and
they
do
a
really
good
job
of
presenting
those
at
10
o'clock,
I'm,
sorry,
11
o'clock.
Q
We
also
do
parking
ticket
appeals.
Currently,
we're
hearing
appeals,
of
course,
from
the
city.
We
also
have
a
contract
with
Medical
University
to
handle
their
parking
ticket
appeal,
so
anyone
who's
aggrieved
with
a
parking
ticket
decision
and
I'm
happy
to
say
that
there's
fewer
and
fewer
people
that
are
coming
to
court,
because
the
administrative
staff
at
traffic
transportation
is
doing
a
really
good
job
of
adjusting
things
before
they
get
to
me.
Q
But
if
they
do
have
a
a
problem,
a
legal
issue,
they
can
bring
it
to
me
and
we'll
deal
with
those
cases
at
11..
We
we
do
jury
trials
about
every
six
weeks.
I've
got
a
term
coming
up
in
July
I.
Try
to
do
that's
why
I
wear
this
robe
literally
get
with
all
the
lawyers
that
are
on
the
jury
trial,
docket,
to
see
if
we
can
resolve
those
cases
ahead
of
time.
Q
It
looks
like
from
the
information
that
Susan
has.
We
have
19
jury
trials
pending
that'll,
be
in
the
latter
part
of
July,
but
the
vast
majority
of
those
will
either
settle
out
before
we
go
to
the
jury
trial
or
if
we
have
to
do
the
jury
trial
term,
we
might
try
one
or
two
of
those
cases
the
you
know.
Q
We
also
do
cases
that
aren't
listed
on
here,
just
occurred
to
me
when
I
was
looking
through
this
abandoned
boats,
we
have
a
city
office
who
handles
a
band
of
the
abandoned
boat
cases,
and
we
see
some
l
e
cases,
late
night,
entertainment
ordinance
cases
and
some
of
the
Upper
King
Street
activity
that
was
mentioned
earlier
in
my
court.
All
the
of
the
cases
brought
in
like
in
my
court
are
brought
on
the
uniform
ordinance
summons,
which
gives
the
city
a
lot
more
flexibility
in
terms
of
how
they
graph
their
sentences.
Q
Rarely,
if
ever
do
you
have
a
jail
sentence
imposed
in
court,
the
fine
can
be
up
to
a
thousand
eighty
seven
dollars,
which
is
a
bit
misleading.
We
had
one
case
this
year
where
there
were
multiple
charges
brought
in
short-term
rental
cases
and
I
believe
the
actual
settlement
amount
was
over
forty
five
thousand
dollars,
so
it
can
be
a
pretty
important
issue
and
we'd
see
more
and
more
attorneys
appearing
in
livability
court.
Q
P
We're
gonna
call
up,
judge
Ferguson.
He.
O
You
got
it,
the
DUI
court
is
doing
well
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
well
and
our
numbers
are
going
down.
That's
the
Reader's
Digest
version.
I
do
want
to
brag
very
briefly
and
just
give
you
a
little
bit
of
the
numbers
here.
You
know
this
same
time.
Last
year
we
had
27
pending
cases
that
were
started
in
2020
so
a
case
that
was
a
2020
case.
We
had
27..
Now
we
only
have
three
20
20
cases.
O
What
is
even
more
impressive
I
think
is
if
I
get
this
right
here,
we
had
a
158
2021
cases
this
time
last
year,
158
20
21
cases
this
time
last
year.
Now
we
have
33..
O
So
not
only
are
we
addressing
the
backlog
of
cases
but
we're
ensuring
that
that
backlog
does
not
continue,
does
not
grow.
Those
numbers
don't
grow
and
and
I
think
it
is
a
more
of
a
testament
to
our
court
staff
at
the
City
of
Charleston
than
it
is.
You
know
me
sitting
on
the
bench
just
making
sure
that
the
wheels
of
Justice
keep
turning
I
I.
O
Think
the
staff
is
just
doing
a
great
job
and
I
want
to
just
say
quickly
that
it
has
been
personally
and
professionally
rewarding
working
with
the
staff
and
and
the
priority
with
the
other
judges,
especially
in
light
of
judge
rodina's
bag,
lunch
meetings
every
so
often
it
really
helped
with
the
camaraderie
and
just
just
helping
the
judges
answer
those
small
questions
that
just
we
can
ask
in
person
instead
of
going
through
email.
O
So
with
that
said,
looking
forward,
I
do
want
to
continue
to
ensure
that
where
our
numbers
are
going
down,
however,
I
want
to
spend
some
particular
attention
or
give
some
particular
attention
to
a
significant
number
of
cases
that
were
handled
by
an
attorney
that
passed
away.
David
aylor
Mr
Ayler
had
a
significant
number
of
DUI
cases
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
new
those
clients
need
to
Define
new
attorneys,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
those
clients
are
comfortable
moving
forward.
O
I,
don't
want
them
to
think
that
their
case
is
being
rushed
through
or
rushed
past.
Now
that
they've
got
a
new
attorney
so
with
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
those
cases
are
addressed
with
some
efficiency,
but
also
with
care
and
making
sure
that
everyone
understands
their
rights
before
they
move
through
that
process.
So
with
that
said,
I'm
proud
of
the
work
that
we've
done
and
I
look
forward
to
continuing
that
work
and
I'll
end
it
there.
Thank
you
very.
C
Good
any
member
questions
for
Council
I
mean
for
judge
Ferguson
from
our
committee
members,
so
judge
folks
that
I
take
from
your
comment
that
the
oldest
case
that
you
have
is
a
2020
case.
O
No
sir,
the
oldest
cases
we
we
have
three
2019
cases
just
or
I'm.
Sorry,
we
have
one
2019
case,
I'm.
Sorry,
we
have
one
2019
case.
We
had
three
this
time
last
year.
Now
we
just
have
one
but
I.
Don't
want
that
the
committee
to
think
that
that
one
case
has
been
just
sitting
out
there
this
whole
time.
What
can
happen
is
when
you
have
a
DUI
first
in
the
Municipal
Court
oftentimes,
there's
a
second
charge
in
the
General
Sessions
Court,
for
example.
O
Somebody
gets
pulled
over
for
DUI
and
is
also
charged
with
possession
of
cocaine.
Then
that
case
is
placed
on
the
administrative
docket
until
the
General
Sessions
charge
has
been
disposed
of.
Although
I
don't
know
the
details
of
that
one
remaining
case.
That
case
could
have
been
with
essentially
kind
of
sitting
with
the
General
Sessions
issue
until
that
was
resolved
until
it
came
back
on
the
municipal,
Court's
docket.
O
Q
Off
or
no
I'm
waving,
because
judge
Ferguson
made
a
point
that
I
neglected
to
make,
and
that
is
we
have
some
cases
in
livability
court
which
state
back
to
2019
and
those
cases
are
under
the
ordinance
we
call
2154,
which
is
basically
the
monitoring
by
the
livability
division
in
the
city
of
houses
that
have
historic
value,
to
prevent
them
from
being
demolished
by
neglect
and
I,
really
commend
the
council
and
the
mayor
for
creating
the
administrative
agency
as
I
understand
it.
Q
It's
going
to
take
responsibility
for
monitoring
those
cases,
so
we
can
get
those
off
the
docket
I.
Don't
have
the
tools
in
my
court
to
effectively
make
sure
that
the
citizens
that
own
those
homes
have
resources
have
the
right?
You
know,
contractors
and
so
forth.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
as
well,
because
judge
Ferguson
made
the
point
about
General
Sessions,
which
is
also
a
problem
that
I
I
see
with
some
of
the
cases
in
livability
court.
J
A
As
excited
as
we
are
to
share
with
you
the
progress
that
we've
been
able
to
make
in
our
dockets
and
all
of
our
courts
over
the
last
several
years,
especially
now
getting
over
the
the
covid
backlog
that
we
experienced
we're
equally
as
excited
to
update
the
committee
on
our
diversionary
court,
which
is
our
homeless
Court
program
as
I
know.
All
of
you
are
very
aware.
We
do
have
a
a
significant
homeless
population
or
unsheltered
population
in
the
city
of
Charleston
and
due
to
the
nature
of
their
unsheltered
status.
A
These
individuals
do
find
themselves
in
contact
with
law
enforcement
on
a
somewhat
regular
basis.
There
are
also
members
of
that
community
that
are
fairly
transient,
and
so,
while
they
are
passing
through,
our
area
may
also
find
themselves
in
contact
with
law
enforcement
as
a
result
of
ordinance
violations
again
related
to
their
unsheltered
status
and
then
find
themselves
before
us
in
our
court.
A
So
the
point
of
our
homeless
Court
program,
which
was
started
back
in
2016,
was
to
recognize
the
unique
situation
that
these
particular
citizens
are
experiencing
and
recognizing
that
their
interaction
with
our
court
is
tied
to
their
unsheltered
status
and
do
what
we
can
to
assist
them
and
getting
the
help
and
the
support
that
they
need,
so
that
they
are
not
continuing
to
run
into
law
enforcement
and
continuing
to
show
up
in
our
courts.
A
A
If
that
individual
does
not,
then
they
are
free
to
apply
to
the
homeless
Court
program,
which
we
are
assisted
heavily
by
a
180
place,
and
they
are
legal
staff.
They
accept
applications
into
the
program
once
they
an
individual
passes,
their
application
program.
That
person
is
then
referred
to
the
city
prosecutor's
office,
who
then
reviews
the
individual's
criminal
history
as
long
as
there's
not
something
significant
in
their
criminal
conviction.
A
History
such
as
a
violent
offense
or
any
type
of
you,
know
sexual
misconduct,
conviction
the
individual
is
usually
approved
for
the
program
and
can
begin
working
with
one
of
the
case.
Managers
at
180
place
to
complete
their
requirements
in
the
program
again.
That
first
goal
is
to
find
someone
permanent
housing,
get
them
off
the
streets
and
in
a
stable
location,
so
that
they
can
then
begin
to
accomplish
the
other
goals
within
the
program.
A
Those
other
goals
involve
getting
a
participant
in
touch
with
service
providers
to
address
any
issues
that
they
might
have,
whether
it's
educational
issues,
someone
need
a
GED
mental
health
issues,
substance
abuse
issues
and
helping
a
person
really
get
a
grasp
on
those
obstacles
that
they're
facing
personally.
A
A
Is
that
not
only
are
these
individuals
completing
the
program
with
housing,
they
are
completing
the
program
either
with
employment
or
having
access
to
certain
benefits,
one,
whether
they
are
veterans,
benefits,
disability
benefits
and
and
also
again
having
any
personal
issues
that
they
may
be
experiencing
addressed
by
professional
service
providers.
A
You
know
we.
We
often
note
that
people
are
never
in
our
court
for
reasons
that
they
want
to
be
here
so
homeless.
Score
is
really
a
fantastic
opportunity
for
us
to
celebrate
on
the
successes
of
individuals
and
see
them
leave
us
better
than
they
were
when
they
first
came
to
us.
A
Our
program
was
actually
recognized
at
the
national
homeless
Court
conference
in
D.C
last
September
and
the
Ada
took
notice
as
well
and
wants
to
use
our
homeless
Court
program
as
a
model
for
jurisdictions
not
only
across
South
Carolina,
but
also
across
the
country.
To
that
end,
the
Ada
assisted
us
in
and
hosting
a
pop-up
homeless,
Court
event
on
April
28th.
A
A
They
sent
a
team
of
individuals
who
were
also
right
there
on
site
with
us
at
the
event
and
the
DMV
participants
helped
individuals
get
IDs
made.
We
were
able
to
in
real
time
take
care
of
issues
in
our
traffic
court
that
maybe
were
holding
an
individual's
license
in
suspension
as
soon
as
we
got
those
issues
resolved.
On
our
end,
the
participants
from
the
Department
Motor
Vehicles
were
able
to
immediately
clear
that
license
for
suspension
and
then
issue
a
new
license
right
there
on
the
spot.
A
It
was.
It
was
really
interesting
and
exciting
to
see
how
all
of
these
government
entities
work
together
and
alleviate
these
obstacles
that
individuals
are
facing
in
their
unsheltered
status.
We
had
approximately
a
hundred
participants
come
through
the
event
on
April,
the
28th,
the
ABA
representative,
who
is
present
at
the
event,
informed
us
that
for
initial
pop-up
events
such
as
this,
that
was
an
outstanding,
a
number
of
participants.
So
we
were
very
excited
about
that
of
those
approximately
100
participants
about
75
individuals
completed
what
we
called
our
passports
for
the
day.
A
We
created
a
sheet
of
paper
that
had
a
list
of
all
of
the
necessary
service
providers,
as
well
as
the
DMV
and
the
municipal
court,
and
for
people
to
use
as
a
a
guide
map
sort
of
to
make
sure
they
went
around
and
saw
every
service
provider
and
every
a
government
presence
there
in
order
to
completely
complete
the
event.
And
so
again
we
had
approximately
75
passports,
completed
and
turned
back
into
us.
A
It
was.
It
was
such
a
a
positive
event
that
we
are
looking
forward
to
not
only
doing
it
next
year.
We
are
contemplating
having
a
second
event
before
the
end
of
this
calendar
year
as
well.
A
A
A
the
youth
Education
court
would
take
offenses
that
stem
out
of
our
city
high
schools,
such
as
disturbing
schools,
disorderly
conduct,
even
simple
possession
of
marijuana,
simple
assaults
offenses
like
that
and
working
with
our
CPD
school
resource
officers
to
direct
those
types
of
cases
into
our
youth
Education
court
for
resolution.
The
exciting
thing
about
the
youth
Education
court
is
that
we
don't
run
it
the
students.
A
The
national
model
for
the
Youth
Education
court
consists
of
these
students,
volunteering
to
be
participants
within
the
court,
and
they
play
the
roles
of
prosecutor
of
defense,
attorney
of
judges
of
jurors,
even
court
clerks
bailiffs
officers.
Any
and
everything
you
can
think
of
as
roles
that
we
see
in
our
courtroom.
The
students
would
be
involved,
and
so
they
are
in
charge
of
Prosecuting
the
offense,
defending
the
offense
and
ultimately
coming
up
with
what
they
see
as
a
just
resolution.
A
The
Goose,
Creek
city
of
Goose
Creek,
has
a
youth
Education
court
that
their
Police
Department
helps
manage
within
the
Municipal
Court,
and
we
are
would
really
love
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
them
further,
get
more
details
about
how
they
run
their
core
and
how
it
looks
compared
to
the
National
model.
A
But
we
do
feel
like
this
would
be
a
very
a
creative
way
to
resolve
some
of
these
issues
and
really
keep
our
students
engaged
in
the
criminal
justice
system
before
they
truly
become
a
part
of
it
in
in
General
Sessions
Court
in
the
Family
Court,
which
prosecuted
prosecutes
criminal
offenses
for
offenders
who
are
17
years
and
younger
and
before
any
of
those
situations,
become
part
of
their
permanent
record
and
again,
a
good
way
for
our
court
to
coordinate
with
our
community
high
schools
and
maybe
even
some
elementary
schools.
Very.
J
I
prefer
that
I
would
like
to
say
shows
I.
Think
probably
some
of
some
account
for
members.
Don't
don't
understand
or
don't
know
you
know
the
Municipal
Court
is
a
creation
of
the
city
city
government.
The
legislation
years
ago
said
that
you
know
the
cities
could
set
up
their
own
Municipal
Courts
there's.
J
However,
they
would
be
governed
by
Court
Administration
and
the
Supreme
Court.
Although,
even
though
we
are
a
creation
of
the
city,
we
are
governed
by
by
the
court
administration
and
the
Supreme
Court,
and
so
the
city
of
City
of
Charleston,
this
court
from
the
from
as
long
as
I've
been
it,
has
never
shut
down.
The
hurricane
may
be
or
storm,
but
during
the
pandemic,
when
the
Chief
Justice
said
all
court
is
just
over
there
being
no
more
in
in
in
court,
appearances,
no
more
jury
trials
or
anything
like
that.
J
We
met
up
here
every
day.
Everybody
who
works
for
the
City
of
Charleston
and
Municipal
Court
came
to
this
court
and
worked
the
the
nature
of
their
work
is
not
such
a
taking
work
from
home
that
they
can't
take
these
tickets
home
with
them.
They
can't
take
these
warrants
home
with
them.
They
can't
take
anything
out
of
this
building,
so
it
has
to
be
here
and
so
for
them
to
do
their
work.
They
had
to
be
here,
and
so
we
had
a
Plexiglas
encasements
so
that
they
were
protected
but
all.
J
But
when
you
think
about
it,
we
will
shut
down
for
almost
two
years,
but
no
jury
trials,
no
court,
no
right.
No,
no
traffic
court,
nothing
and
we
we
couldn't
do
anything,
but
the
people
who
worked
here
came
here
every
day.
The
judges
came
here
every
time
that
it
was
that
time
to
be
on
the
bench
we
came
here.
We
went
through
the
docket,
we
did
what
we
were
supposed
to
do
and
and
and
we
never
never
shut
this
court
down.
J
Another
reason
for
these
numbers
is
that
many
of
the
lawyers
who
come
here
are
in
the
legislature,
and
so
when
the
legislature
starts,
they
are
under
order
protection,
so
any
jury
trials
that
they
have
pending
or
just
put
continued
until
it
could
be
from
November
December
to
to
June
or
July,
and
but
if
there's
a
special
session,
then
they
can
they
protect
it
again.
J
We
also
are
the
low
man
on
the
totem
pole.
Every
court
is
above
us.
So
when
we
have
a
jury
trial,
let's
say
you
look
at
the
jury,
trial
cases
pendant.
We
have
a
jury
trial
and
a
lawyer
has
a
case
here.
We'll
get
a
letter
from
Mr
lawyer,
saying
I
can't
be
there
I'm
in
municipal
court,
and
you
know
Chester
Berkeley
County
or
in
Charleston
County,
oh
I'm,
in
General,
Sessions,
and
so
that's
put
on
put
on
the
docket.
We
don't
put
anything
aside.
J
Please
rest
assured
the
councilman
that
we
don't
put
anything
aside
unless
we
are
bound
to
either
either
by
the
court
of
administration
or
by
a
lawyer
having
occasion
in
another
Court
they
are
occasionally,
someone
will
will
come
into
National
jury
trial.
We
advise
them
of
their
rights
that
they
are
entitled
to
jury
trials
entitled
to
the
lawyer,
because
we
give
them
all
the
Civil
Rights
and
they
say
I,
don't
want
a
lawyer
and
we
try
to.
We
try
to
talk
them
out
of
it.
We
try
to
tell
them.
J
We
have
an
excellent
public
defender
and
Jason
Michael.
He
does.
He
does
a
wonderful
job
for
the
city
and
and
we
and
we,
you
know
which
we'll
just
go,
talk
to
Mr
Michael
for
a
minute
and
then
come
on
back
and
a
lot
of
times.
He'll
resolve
those
cases
and
a
lot
of
times.
He'll
put
him
on
the
jury,
trial
docket
some
of
those
people
just
said
they
continue
to
say
no
I,
don't
want
a
lawyer,
then
when
it
comes
time
for
them
to
try
the
case,
they
come
in
and
say
well,
I.
J
You
know,
I
want
a
lawyer,
I
need
a
lawyer.
So
then
we,
if
they
don't
have
a
lawyer
and
they
qualify,
then
Jason
will
represent
them.
Of
course,
that
pushes
it
back
that
that
case
has
to
go
over
because
we
can't
have
him,
try
a
case
that
he
doesn't
know
anything
about.
So
we
do
so.
The
City
of
Charleston,
Municipal
Court,
is
up
and
running
it's
in
good
shape.
Excellent
people
who
work
is
some
of
the
finest
people.
J
J
They
they
all
do
an
excellent
job
and
all
the
people
who
work
here
so
the
City
of
Charleston
is
well
served
by
this
municipal
court
and
we
are
working
hard
to
get
all
these
old
cases
out
of
the
way.
But
many
of
them,
as
Ferguson
said
maybe
General,
Sessions,
related
and
a
prosecutor,
will
say.
I
need
to
continue
this
because
we
can't
handle
this.
It
may
affect
what's
going
on
in
General
Session,
but
we
we
do.
We
are
pushing
these
cases
we're
trying
to
get
everything
done
here
and
everybody
here
is
working
on.
So.
C
You
any
comments
from
members
of
the
committee
all
right.
Well,
I
just
want
to
sort
of
echo
what
that
last
statement
that
judge
Morrison
has
made
and
I
just
recall,
pre-2020.
C
We
scheduled
a
update
on
the
municipal
court
system
and
one
of
the
Court
administrators
showed
up
and
said.
No
one's
asked
us
about
this
in
the
past
25
years.
C
How
we're
doing
over
here-
and
we
were
all
astonished
by
that
comment-
that
we
weren't
checking
out
the
Public
Safety
Committee
had
not
been
checking
up
on
you
guys
and
giving
you
an
opportunity
to
give
us
updates
on
what's
been
transpiring
and
we've
made
such
tremendous
progress
and
strides
in
making
sure
number
one
that
victims
and
defendants
alike
are
well
served.
That's
critically
important
that
our
our
judge,
Morrison
said
that
we
are
the
the
standard
Bearer
for
how
municipal
courts
are
to
operate
in.
C
In
spite
of
all
the
other
challenges
that
we
have
we're
all
the
lowest
quarter
priority
on
the
totem
pole,
other
courts
high
priority
over
Municipal
Court,
the
other
issues
dealing
with
loyal
legislators
and
General
Sessions
come
into
play
with
us,
so
it
you'll
do
any
tremendous
job.
Y'all
y'all
heard
our
mandate
from
city
council
get
these
numbers
moving.
Y'all
have
done
that
and
above
and
beyond.
C
Thank
you
all
for
the
service
to
the
community.
There
are
many
moving
Parts
I
I
saw,
there's
a
municipal
judge
in
Mount
Pleasant,
so
I
I
know
very
familiar
with
the
issues
that
you
guys
face
on
a
regular
basis.
Jason.
Thank
you
for
your
service
to
the
the
city
as
well
and
having
these
prosecutor
computers
available.
I
think
has
really
made
a
difference
in
where
we're
headed
so.
C
C
Well,
thank
y'all.
This
is
very,
these
reports
are,
are
long
and
I
know
the
long,
but
it's
just
so
important
that
once
a
year
we
hear
from
y'all
so
and
what's
important
is
just
to
communicate
either
directly
or
through
judge
ordina
things
that
we
think
that
we
need
to
be
doing
differently
in
resource-wise,
judge,
rodina
and
I
had
talked
earlier.
C
This
morning,
I've
asked
her
to
look
into
two
possibilities:
to
make
things
even
more
efficient,
whether
or
not
we
need
to
have
a
night
court
going
into
play
and
we'll
also
talk
a
little
bit
more
along
the
lines
of
Youth
Court
I
think
judge
board
had
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
the
edges
of
that
in
her
presentation,
but
also
I
think
the
benefits
of
whether
or
not
to
have
a
a
youth
court.
So
we
may
hear
back
from
her
as
to
the
feasibility
of
those
two
things
coming
into
play
at
some
point.
C
But
I
I
want
that
to
be
sort
of
surveyed
among
not
just
the
judges
and
Court
staff,
but
the
police
department,
as
well
as
to
whether
or
not
how
those
things
may
help
benefit
our
community
and
y'all's
time
is
so
precious
and
critically
needed.
So
I
wanted
y'all
to
hear
from
me.
Thank
you
again
for
your
service
and
thank
you
for
keeping
the
standard
of
our
criminal
justice
system
up
to
the
highest
standards
possible.
That's
what
we
expect
in
the
City
of
Charleston
and
y'all
have
met
that
mandate,
all
right,
very
good.
C
Thank
you
all.
So
much
for
all
of
that,
and
so
mayor,
tecklenburg
and
I
have
had
a
handful
of
discussions
on
our
next
item
with
the
passing
of
Chief,
Reynolds
and
I
thought
that
I've
asked
him
if
he
wanted
to
update
us
on
where
we're
staying
with
the
leadership
of
our
Police
Department
we're
following
the
passion
of
Chief
Reynolds
mayor.
Do
you
want
to
take
it
from
there.
G
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
Mr
chairman
first,
let
me
also
thank
our
administrative
judge,
Susan
herdena
for
her
leadership
and
all
of
our
judges
for
for
their
service
to
our
city
and
staff
as
well
over
at
the
Municipal
Court
I.
Think
Mr
chairman
you,
you
know
a
market
improvement
over
the
last
few
years,
both
in
Communications
but
also
in
in
resolving
some
long-standing
cases
that
were
out
there
and
y'all
are
doing
a
great
job.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much.
G
Sadly,
we
are
at
the
point.
We
never
wanted
to
be
to
talk
about
the
replacement
of
our
dear
friend
and
chief
Luther
Reynolds.
G
We
have
decided
to
you
know
when
the
use
of
process
that
that
works
so
well
for
the
city
before
when
we
found
Chief
Reynolds
and
in
fact
the
city
had
used
in
prior
engagements
before
I
was
mayor
to
use
a
organization
called
Perth,
which
is
a
Police
Executive,
Research
Forum,
so
we've
been
directly
in
touch
with
their
director,
Chuck,
wechsler
and
I.
G
Thank
you
all
are
familiar
with
perf,
but
they're,
a
research
and
membership
organization
of
police
professionals
and
so
they're
thoroughly
familiar
with
the
roles,
responsibilities
and
experience
required
of
successful
law
enforcement
for
professionals
and
and
like
they
did
for
the
city
five
or
a
little
more
years
ago,
when
we
were
searching
for
new
Chief
they've
made
a
proposal
to
us
that
will
be
very
comprehensive
and
include
a
discussion
of
our
current
needs
and
expectations.
G
Advice
on
community
engagement
all
the
way
through
the
process
help
us.
You
know
just
revisit
our
offering
that
we
would
post
help
us
to
place
that
position,
announcement
or
posting
in
the
right
places
and
to
actively
recruit
candidates,
some
of
the
best
police
Professionals
in
the
country,
but
also
some
of
the
best
police
professionals.
That
happen
to
be
right
here
in
Charleston
in
our
own
Department
that
they
would
help
to
once.
G
A
posting
is
done
and
probably
run
for
a
30-day
period
that
they
would
help
us
receive
and
Screen
assess
the
applications
and
do
detailed
screening
recommending
ultimately,
a
pool
of
candidates
that
would
come
to
Charleston
and
some
may
be
here
in
Charleston.
So
they
might
not
have
to
travel
but
to
have
a
interview
process
that
engages
community
members.
So
we
have
good
Community
engagement
and
participation
for
recommendation
to
me
to
make
to
our
city
and
to
our
Council
for
a
final
candidate
for
a
police
chief.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we
are.
G
We
expect
to
complete
an
agreement
with
perf
this
week
and
be
able
to
proceed
using
their
services,
the
expected
timeline
by
the
time
you
get
ready,
you
post
it,
you
assess
those
who
apply.
You
have
an
interview
process.
C
Very
good,
thank
you
mayor
for
that
update
and
I
appreciate
you
willingness
to
share
that
information
with
this
committee.
I
thought
it
was
important
to
reading.
Let
the
community
know
where
we
stood
is
a.
We
didn't
want.
I
K
C
To
be
in
this
position,
God
bless
us,
but
here
we
are
unfortunately,
and
our
Police
Department
needs
to
move
forward
regardless
and
I
think
this
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
Any.
I
C
Okay,
anything
else,
mayor
that
we
want
to
add
to
that
at
this
point
or
stay
tuned,
I
guess
the
word
is
stay
tuned,
sir
stay
tuned.
Yes,
the
other
part
of
this
is
just
stay
tuned.
We'll
keep
everybody
abreast
of
the
progress
with
this.
C
All
right,
we
went
over
a
little
bit
longer
than
anticipated,
but
we
covered
some
really
important
ground
on
here.
I
hope
that
our
work
and
these
amendments
with
the
CPAC
gets
us
to
where
we
need
to
be
with
that
very
important
committee.
C
It's
vitally
important
on
that
I
see
councilmember
Brady
and
Mike
you'll
have
your
hands
up
so
councilmember
Brady
I'll
call
on
you
first,
yes,.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
just
had
a
quick
question
as
a
follow-up
to
the
mayor's
comments.
Is
the
interim
period
going
to
be
the
same
as
it
has
where
you've
asked
the
three
Deputy
Chiefs
to
run
or
is
there
is
one
Deputy
in
Chief
going
to
lead
in
the
interim?
I
just
want
to
get
some
clarification
on
that.
G
Or
currently
we're
we're
operating,
as
we
have
been
during
the
last
year
and
a
half
when
when
Chief
Reynolds
was
indisposed
with
his
health
from
time
to
time,
and-
and
that
is,
we
have
three
wonderful
Deputy
Chiefs
and
they
basically
share
the
responsibilities
of
leading
the
department
and
as
circumstances
dictate,
one
or
the
other
or
the
other
may
serve
as
acting
Chief.
G
If
you
will,
for
example,
right
now,
acting
Chief
is
Jack
Weiss,
who
I
think
was
on
the
call,
as
as
chance
or
circumstance
would
have
it.
G
Deputy
chief
Walker
had
scheduled
a
Advanced
leadership
training
course
with
perf
he's
in
Boston
now
attending
that
class
and
he's
he's
been
and
out
for
a
couple
of
weeks,
and
just
yesterday
or
day
before
over
the
weekend,
deputy
chief
Thompson
had
a
long
standing
scheduled
vacation
time,
richly
deserved,
and
so,
and
so
Jack
is
acting
Chief
right
now
and
as
as
circumstances
change
and
and
they
all
come
back
together
in
town
this
by
the
end
of
the
month
of
next
month.
G
I
do
anticipate
appointing
one
to
to
serve
as
an
interim
Chief,
but
as
circumstances
have
it
Jack
is
our
acting
Chief
right
now.
So.
D
For
for
the
three
Deputy
Chiefs
in
the
scoring
process,
once
they
kind
of
if
they're,
interested
and
move
forward,
will
there
be
preference
given
for
internal
candidates
because
I'm,
just
thinking
of
you
know
just
from
a
recruitment
and
retention
standpoint
moving
through
the
ranks
you
know.
Obviously,
we
want
to
create
a
culture
in
an
environment
where
our
internal
candidates
see
a
path
forward
and
get
to
stay
with
the
Department,
rather
than
necessarily
going
outside.
G
Right
so
the
the
first
part
of
our
engagement
with
perv
is
to
discuss
our
needs
and
expectations
and
to
develop
a
profile
of
so
to
speak.
The
ideal
candidate
and
I
do
plan
to
advise
perf.
That
part
of
our
profile
and
idea
would
be
someone
who
would
be
knowledgeable
with
with
our
department
and
so
yeah
I
think
they'll,
be
so
to
speak.
Extra
points
for
consideration
for
those
who
are
within
our
department.
Yes,
sir.
C
And
councilmember
Brady
being
grew
up
going
through
this
experience
for
both
the
Fire
Chief
and
police
chief,
one
of
the
things
that
I
know
that
are
outside
Consultants,
taking
consideration,
along
with
what
the
mayor
just
mentioned,
is
also
the
succession
of
the
previous
Chief.
C
What
were
the
strong
percentages
behind
that
she'd
no
longer
been
available,
so
that
will
play
to
some
consideration
with
this
as
well,
so
that
there's
a
whole
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
to
this
process
and
it
it
is
very
intense
if
I
can
describe
an
adjective
as
to
how
this
process
works.
C
So
the
mayor
and
I
have
been
in
communication
about
about
this
and
and
I
think
that
the
sooner
we
have
a
more
it
is
a
permanent
interim
Chief
I
think
that
that
may
feel
better
off
all
of
us
as
we
move
forward
so
we'll
we'll
let
this
process
play
out
a
little
bit
right
now
and
you
everybody
will
be,
have
a
role
to
play.
I'm
pretty
sure
about
that,
particularly
this
committee.
C
Okay,
any
other
questions
or
along
those
lines,
I,
don't
see
a
need
for
us
to
go
into
executive
session.
That
was
on
our
agenda
if
needed,
but
based
on
the
mayor's
comments
and
what
I've
heard
so
far
I
think
we're
safe
in
don't
have
any
good
executive
session
any
further
business
before
this
committee.
C
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
participation.
I
noticed
that
Miss
Thomas
Maya
CPAC
representative,
is
on
Miss
Thomas.
Thank
you
for
joining
in
Mike
I,
see
your
hands.
Your
hand's
been
going
up
and
down
so
I.
Wasn't
sure.
If
you
had
a
comment,
you
wanted
to
add
into
this
or
mate.
R
Yes,
sir
I
just
wanted
to
offer
a
reminder
to
everybody
that
this
Sunday
on
June
18th,
our
cfd,
will
be
gathering
again
at
the
sofa
Superstore
site
to
commemorate
the
16th
annual
Memorial
of
the
loss
for
nine
firefighters.
The
event
will
be
held
at
seven
o'clock.
Sharp
I
do
recommend
arriving
no
later
than
6
45,
as
we
usually
struggle
for
parking
in
the
area.
But
again,
if
you'd
like
to
join
us,
please
come
out
this
Sunday
June
18th
to
commemorate
the
event.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank.
C
You
for
Mike
for
reminding
us
about
that.
That's
on
my
calendar
and
I've
been
in
contact
with
Chief
Curry
about
it.
For
those
of
you
who
have
not
participated
in
this
ceremony,
I
would
urge
you
to
do
so.
I
know
it's
Father's
Day,
which
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
special
event.
This
year
there
were
several
people
who
lost
their
fathers
in
that
terrific
tragedy.
So
if
you
can
make
it
out
there,
I
would
urge
you
to
please
to
do
so.
It's
it's
very,
very
respectful.
C
The
duration
is
not
very
long,
but
it's
very
meaningful.
The
amount
of
time
that
we
participate
in
this
is
not
reflective
as
the
importance
of
this
for
the
community.
So
I
appreciate
the
the
work
that's
done
in
planning
this.
Thank
you
all
very
much
and
make
for
reminding
us
about
that.
So
it's
seven
o'clock
on
Sunday,
June,
18th,
okay,
all
right
there'll
be
enough
for
the
business
we
are.
We
will
stand
adjourned.
Thank
you
all
for
all
the
participants
for
this
all
those
who
gave
us
a
report.
C
We
do
appreciate
your
assistance
with
with
this
committee
report.
We've
got
another
meeting
in
less
than
30
minutes.
I'll
see
some
of
you
guys
and
gals
in
about
20
minutes
or
so.
Thank
you
all
very
much.