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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 10/25/21
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Dear
heavenly
father,
we
ask
that
you
just
help
us
make
the
right
decisions,
the
decisions
that
you
would
make
on
behalf
of
the
city.
We
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
serve.
It
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
that
none
of
us
take
lightly.
We
ask
that
you
would
help
us
make
all
of
these
decisions.
In
your
name,
christ
said
we
pray,
amen,
amen,.
A
Thank
you.
We
have
a
motion
on
the
september
13th.
A
C
We're
back
on
the
agenda
with
these:
we
they
were
getting
back.
We've
lost
all
our
medical
help
over
here,
but
with
the
help
of
the
permit
center
we've
gone
through,
we
have
12
this
week.
We
have
some
signs
irrigation
and
some
fences
all
have
gone
through
the
approval
process
and
been
recommended
for
approval.
So
we
give
this
to
you
as
information.
Okay.
Thank
you,
mr
brown.
Good,
sir.
A
Mr
fought
in
any
public
service
update
on
the
g.
I
don't
see
anybody
anymore.
C
Mr,
we
don't
have
any
this
time.
I
will
let
you
know,
and
the
committee
know
that
in
the
next
month,
we'll
probably
be
bringing
back
the
environmental
service
recommendations.
We
talked
to
you
about
earlier.
We've
got
legals
looking
at
it
now
and
then
we'll
be
coming
back
to
report
that
so
we
can
start
our
education
process
that
we
talked
about
earlier
this
summer.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
item
h
is
the
sorry
recommendation
to
approve
the
fee.
Amendment
number
two
with
jmt
john
smearman
thompson
about
fifty
three
thousand
three
hundred
twenty
four
dollars
and
thirty
five
cents.
This
is
for
construction
administration,
the
cei
type
services
on
the
project,
we're
sending
extending
the
service
time
for
the
consultant
due
to
what
are
called
no
cost
days
from
covet
impacts
which
are
built
into
the
contract
as
a
pandemic
delay,
basically
from
from
crews
having
impacts
and
suppliers
having
impacts
and
also
from
the
number
of
rain
days.
A
Mr
o'brien,
let
me
get
the
questions
first
is
this:
is
part
of
this
reimbursable
under
the
american
recovery
act
or
anything.
D
So
so
this
one
is
not
constantly
waring
there
if,
if
there's
extended
delays,
typically
they're
reimbursable
under
liquidated
damages
this
one's
an
unusual
situation
that
both
rain
days
beyond
what
is
envisioned
in
a
standard
contract
for
rain
days
in
a
month,
and
then
both
in
coba
delays
as
well
are
what
are
termed
as
no
cost
days
where
the
event,
the
contractor,
is
not
eligible
for
any
carrying
costs
or
administrative
costs
for
those
extensions.
D
B
Griffin,
it
says
on
here
that
we
have
a
multitude
of
different
funding
sources
on
this
coop
river
tiff
grant
drainage
fund
cws.
It
doesn't
say
exactly
how
this
added
cost
will
be
applied.
Will
we
be
using
a
you
know,
a
smorgasbord
all
of
those
different
places
to
to
kind
of
get
this
53
000
plus
taken
care
of,
and
what
are
we
looking
on,
how
the
money
is
being
dispersed
on
this
project.
D
D
A
D
So
that
this
is
a
it's,
a
change
order
on
the
a
small
project
allocation
for
john's
island
project
work
on
coral
reef
drive
it's
a
little
bit
different
in
that
this
isn't
part
of
the
original
contract
scope.
D
Basically,
when
we
were
walking
the
site
with
the
contractor
to
set
up
the
original
contract
work,
we
had
a
number
of
the
citizens
come
out
and
identify
some
drainage
issues.
They
had
that
were
kind
of
undermining
the
road
foundation
nearby
it
it's
a
relatively
easy
section
to
tie
into
the
project
with
the
same
construction
contractor
into
the
same
drainage
system
that
we're
improving
it's.
I
think
it's
a
good
decision
to
do
it.
D
It's
likely
to
save
more
than
this
amount
of
money
in
the
next
few
years,
just
in
trying
to
protect
that
section
of
asphalt,
that's
currently
being
damaged,
so
we're
recommending
approval.
While
we
have
a
contractor
on
site,
they
can
basically
just
add
it
into
the
project
for
the
six
thousand
two
hundred
and
three
dollars
in
one
central.
B
Same
similar
question
to
the
last
one:
is
this
part
of
the
2020
small
projects
list,
and
my
other
question
would
be:
how
much
do
we
kind
of
set
aside
in
case
our
you
know,
our
small
projects
go
a
little
bit
over
such
as
this
one.
We
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
buffer
or
something
in
there
just
in
case.
D
Yes,
that's
another
good
question
griffin,
so
this
one
is
the
2021
small
project.
The
original
budget
was
this.
Money
is
in
excess
of
that
off
of
the
same
account.
What
we
generally
do
on
this
is
we
don't
set
aside
a
buffer,
but
because
it's
an
operations
account
item
rather
than
a
drainage
fund,
it's
on
a
like
an
annual
pay-as-you-go
basis.
D
We
don't
spend
out
all
of
the
money
by
the
end
of
the
year
at
the
current
rate
we're
going
through,
so
we
still
have
buffer
in
this
year's
money
and
then
next
year
those
projects
will
carry
over
and
more
money
will
be
allocated.
But
you're
right.
This
isn't
a
it
is
an
additional
6200
to
what
was
originally
envisioned
by
the
utilities
committee.
B
And
the
reason
why
I
asked
that
is
because
I
don't
you
know,
we've
done
a
lot
of
great
work
with
this
small
project,
small
project
budget,
and
I
know
we
put
about
a
million
dollars
aside
and
I
don't
want
people
to
think
that,
because
we're
six
thousand
over
that
means
that
we're
going
to
be
six
thousand
less
last
year.
We're
able
to
this
is
a
project
that's
going
to
roll
over
into
next
year.
A
So
much
mr
phelan
big
question
follow
the
question
all
in
favor,
please
say:
hi
hi!
Thank
you.
H3
update
on
dupont,
walkthrough
drainage.
By
the
way
I
just
sent
an
email
to
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I.
A
Yeah
and
fellow
council
members
about
this,
so
mr
fountain
update
yeah.
Thank
you.
D
Councilman
sherman,
let
me
pull
up
my
screen
quickly.
It's
a
little
easier
visually
to
see
this
one
such
a
large
base,
and
it
can
be
hard
to
follow.
Sometimes
let
me
shift
this
out
of
the
way,
so
I
can
see.
D
Okay,
so
this
is
just
a
brief
update
on
where
we
stand
on
the
dupont,
wapu,
creating
improvement
project
and,
mr
chairman,
I
can
actually
give
you
a
quick
update
on
the
area
that
we're
talking
about
in
that
email
separate
to
this
as
well,
because
I've
been
talking
to
the
county
about
that
area
for
the
last
few
months,
but
obviously
the
dupont
wapu
project
area
is
this
large
1600
acre
basin
somewhat
focused
around
the
intersection
of
526
and
rittenberg
and
savannah
highway.
D
We
had
identified
previously
as
you're
all
well
aware,
11
total
project
areas,
10
of
which
are
our
public
projects.
The
11th
is
actually
located
within
the
school
property,
but
we
did
identify
it
as
an
area
that
there
was
a
potential
for
drainage
improvement
issues
all
with
on
all
within
the
private
school
property
or
the
public
school
property
under
the
school's
jurisdiction.
A
D
A
My
question
is
about
that
area
below
that,
in
other
words,
my
understanding
now
is
some
of
this
area
comes
underneath
savannah
highway
and
eventually
goes
over
by
the
mall
and
comes
back
underneath
savannah
highway
out
to
the
stuno
this
area,
with
10
and
11
and.
D
So-
and
I
think,
mr
chairman,
I
think,
instead
of
it
being
kind
of
over
on
10-11,
which
is
the
the
marsh
outfall
by
clayton-
drive.
Okay,
I
think
you're
you're,
looking
probably
at
this
area
over
by
the
ruby
tuesdays
south
correct,
highway,
17.,
that's
kind
of
just
south
of
area
2
here
where
the
new
suites
are
right.
D
And
you're
right,
it's
on
the
southern
side
of
17,
like
that.
That
area
does
sort
of
flow
either
north
or
south,
depending
on
where
the
flooding
is
and
where
the
drainage
issues
are.
We've
been
looking
at
in
this
area
with
the
county,
a
series
of
a
couple
of
different
projects:
one
in
councilman
pell's
district
on
some
of
the
town
homes
down
here
to
add
a
little
bit
of
storage
and
improve
some
of
the
drainage
swale
two
with
the
county
to
improve.
There's
an
old
railroad
right-of-way
that
the
city
owned
that
comes
through
this
area.
D
We've
been
we've
been
looking
to
try
to
share
with
the
county
where
maybe
the
city
provides
some
of
the
land
since
we
owned
this
right-of-way
and
the
county
provided
some
of
the
work
in
survey.
Work
is
what
they're
doing
now,
as
well
as
some
of
the
construction
work
to
clear
some
of
the
trees
in
there
and
build
more
of
a
storm
water
pond
in
that
area.
D
To
help
manage
this
water
in
the
short
run
and
then
in
the
long
run,
potentially
to
install
a
new
outfall
along
the
greenway
to
take
it
down
directly
to
that
marsh
outfall
and
avoid
like
you're
talking
about
this
very
securities
route.
That
brings
it
around
through
the
mall
back
down
around
costco
and
back
again
across
17
again.
A
That's
the
part
I
want
to
talk
so
you
you're
all
working
in
there,
keeping
some
of
that
water
itself
and
and
taking
it
out
of
the
it's
a
little
mall
drainage
area,
how
to
do
up
drainage.
Yes,.
D
And
that
the
redirection
is
probably
a
relatively
long-term
project
because
of
how
far
it
has
to
go
on
the
greenway,
we
have
to
figure
out
where
the
cws
infrastructure
is
in
that
area.
We're
looking
at
sort
of
a
mid-term
project
to
help
add
some
storage
into
this
area
to
at
least
slow
that
water
down.
So
it's
not
coming
north
and
overwhelming
the
flooding
in
the
citadel
mall
basin.
D
Absolutely
so
we
did
advance
from
this.
This
original
recommendation.
C
C
Okay,
and
so
with
an
answer
to
the
council
member
to
the
chairman's
question,
this
is
going
to
improve
that
drainage
area
from
which
you
just
talked
about
finding
those
other
outfalls.
D
So,
yes,
it
gets
a
little
bit
complicated,
but
the
if
you
can
see
my
cursor,
the
the
water
that
is
south
of
17
here
by
the
ruby,
tuesday,
the
home
to
suites,
where
the
bowling
alley
used
to
be
that
water
currently
comes
north
and
flows
into
the
the
citadel
mall
basin
towards
this
single
outfall
under
526.
A
C
D
D
So
at
this
point,
roughly
a
year
ago,
we
did
authorize
and
start
design
and
permitting
work
on
projects,
one
two
three
and
four
project
areas,
one
two
three
and
four
which
I'll
highlight
in
a
second
collaboratively
with
the
county
under
a
cost-sharing
moa
based
on
our
relative
jurisdictional
areas.
Within
the
watershed,
sorry,
the
easiest
things
to
see
but
project,
one
focuses
on
orleans
road
at
the
area,
sort
of
the
north
end
of
the
citizen
wall
and
the
improvements
here
are
mostly
looking
to
provide
relief
to
the
hazelwood
taper
wood
area.
D
D
There
was
previously
around
kind
of
a
round
parking
lot
car
dealership
here,
that's
been
vacant
for
a
little
while
and
that
water
flows
from
dupont
across
through
orleans
through
the
town
and
country
property
and
then
kind
of
up
through
a
canal
across
526.
I'm
sorry
across
town
rittenberg
and
then
eventually
into
that
citadel
mall
canal
system
area.
Three.
This
actually
ties
into
area,
one
that
I
talked
about
before
so
area.
One
was
the
improvement
over
on
orleans
that
water
then
has
to
flow
to
the
north
instead
of
the
wall
down
by
526.
D
D
We've
been
in
quite
a
few
talks
with
the
civil
wall,
epic
center
developers
about
how
this
should
look,
we're
looking
at
an
open
drainage
system
right
now,
where
we
bring
it
into
more
of
a
in
the
short
term
like
a
big
canal
and
then
in
the
slightly
longer
term,
working
with
the
developers
to
build
this
into
more
of
like
an
amenity,
slash
like
recreational
aspect
for
the
mall
property,
where
they
could
basically
landscape
it
and
beautify
it
and
make
it
like
a
a
development
draw
to
the
mall
property
to
have
a
like
a
beautiful
outdoor
water
feature
that
runs
through
the
parcel.
D
Basically
area.
Four
is
actually
the
improvements
on
the
small
property
section
here,
add
in
some
check,
valves
and
limit
in
some
of
the
impacts
when
we
get
like
major
tight
events
that
pull
up
into
the
system
and
eliminate
a
lot
of
that
open
storage
capacity.
D
D
The
initial
design
work
showed
that
we
were
likely
to
need
some
drainage,
easement
adjustments
in
projects
area
two
and
three,
which
again
are
the
areas
that
kind
of
run
project
area.
Two
is
the
area
that
runs
sort
of
from
that
round,
car
dealership
down
through
the
town
and
country
and
then
project
area,
three
being
the
the
back
side
of
the
citadel
mall.
So
those
two
areas
we're
working
with
those
two
property
owners
to
see
if
they'll,
grant
drainage,
easement
and
shift
easements
around
to
be
able
to
do
those
drainage
improvements.
A
D
Absolutely
concerned
so
that
was
that
was
based
on
both
of
these
projects
were
being
funded
out
of
the
utility
accounts
for
the
two
entities
which
need
to
be
spent
to
like
benefit
ratepayers
right.
So
we
we
laid
it
out
based
on
how
much
jurisdictional
area
each
entity
has
within
the
citadel
mall
basin.
So
the
city
has
about
75
percent
of
the
annexed
area
within
the
basin,
and
the
county
has
about
25
and
unincorporated.
A
Believe
it
or
not,
I
get
more
calls
from
the
people
in
the
county
with
flooding
problems,
especially
behind
mr
mayor,
one
street
removed
from
where
your
son
lives,
but
directly
behind
san
andreas
school.
I
forget
the
name:
it's
not
second
street,
it's
another
street
view.
Well,
you
talk
about
flood,
it's
all
in
the
county
right,
it's
really
bad.
Over
there
I
mean
getting
into
people's
homes,
but
anyway,.
D
Our
next
steps
on
this
over
the
next
six
months
would
be
to
finalize
those
easement
discussions
with
the
property
owners.
We've
had
a
few
meetings
with
each
set
of
relevant
property
owners
we're
starting
to
get
there.
I
think,
then
we
have
to
prepare
our
permitting
plans,
submit
them
to
dot
and
the
city
and
county
permitting
agencies
over
the
next
six
to
12
months.
Finalize
those
construction
plans
and
bid
documents
and
see
what
funding
the
two
councils
will
authorize
towards
construction.
D
They've
been
face-to-face
meetings
so
far
to
discuss
the
options
for
one
of
the
parcels
needs
a
dedication
of
a
new
easement
and
then
two
of
the
parcels
probably
need
the
easements
to
be
realigned,
based
on
what
the
parcel
owners
want
and
what
the
city
wants
to
accomplish
as
well.
The
city
and
county
team
wants
to
accomplish
as
well
right.
C
Mr
chairman,
while
we're
on
this
topic
matt,
do
you
mind
going
back
to
the
little
diagram
for
area
two
yeah?
I
think
I
think
that
includes
it.
It's
close
to
the
area
that
mr
chairman's
letter
is
about.
You
may
not
have
read
yet
matt
on
lasalle
street.
D
D
I
think
with
councilman
zachary,
especially
once
this
the
county's
finished,
putting
together
the
document
for
us
to
the
school,
because
there's
also
need
for
some
easement
through
the
school,
where
the
major
canal
runs
kind
of
behind
the
parking
lot
that
they
built
for
the
athletic
stadium.
C
So
so,
really
that
little
area
doesn't
doesn't
need
wasn't
identified
for
one
of
these
projects.
We
just
need
to
get
better
easement,
so
we
can
clean
out
the
ditches
better.
So.
D
There
are
improvements
once
you
get
over
to
like
project
area
nine
mayor,
but
you
can't
do
those
improvements
until
you
get
the
downstream
improvements,
so
they
would
be
in
the
next
round
of
major
projects.
That's
why
the
county
and
the
city
have
been
looking
at
some
of
the
shorter
term
maintenance
oriented
improvements
to
help
out.
In
the
meantime,
okay.
C
All
right,
well,
just
since,
by
coincidence
we
were
on
this
area,
it's
nearby,
where
the
area
where
this
letter
asks
us
to
address,
I
guess
we'll,
have
to
get
together
with
the
county
and
sit
down
with
them
and
just
let
them
know
what
we're
up
to,
and
maybe
they
can
help
us
get
the
easements.
We
need.
A
But
some
of
the
people
are
willing
to
sign
off
on
easements.
But
that's
you
know:
that's
a
little
bit
different
when
somebody
comes
out
there
and
asks
you
to
sign
the
dotted
line,
but
anyway,
hopefully
they're
going
to
be
willing.
Mr
fountain
and
then
councilman
shee
gee.
D
And
I
was
just
mentioning
to
for
that
that
elsie
lasalle
area
right.
A
D
That
that
we
have
found
some
interest
in
the
property
owners
towards
dedicating
easement
like
you're
saying,
mr
chairman,
it's
not
final
until
people
actually
sign
the
documents,
but
there
has
been
support
to
get
the
survey
work
from
the
county
surveyor
to
be
able
to
prepare
those
easement
documents
and
they're
just
finalizing
that
now
at
the
county.
So
hopefully
we
will
have
some
success
on
that
side
of
things.
C
D
C
C
Yeah
so-
and
I
don't
remember
if
you
answered
this
from
another
question
but
when
you're
looking
at
funding
on
from
the
county
and
city
level,
is
there
a
particular
formula
that
you're
using
to
or
that
we
use
to
kind
of
figure
out
how
to
prorate
what
what
government
pays?
What
about
all
this
on
these
projects.
D
So
so
so
far,
we've
been
sticking
with
that
overall
ratio
for
the
basin,
rather
than
trying
to
break
it
down
into
individual
project
areas
because
most
of
the
downstream
projects.
Well,
they
don't
have
the
full
impact
on
the
upstream
areas.
They
still
provide
some
relief
to
even
the
upstream
areas,
so
I
think
we've
all
felt
pretty
comfortable
about
keeping
that
25-75
split.
For
the
meantime,
okay,
thanks.
C
Just
to
let
y'all
know
this,
this
area
was
on
my
list
of
requests
to
the
legislature
or
their
infrastructure
funds,
and
I
think
it's
in
representative
stavanakis's
district,
so
and-
and
I
need
to
follow
up
him
with
him
as
well.
But
if
anybody
talks
to
leon
just
let
him
know
that
we'd
appreciate
his
help
on
some
funds
for
this
project.
A
Glad
to
do
so
thanks
for
the
heads
up,
mr
fountain.
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
for
the
update
and
putting
it
on
agenda
barbary,
woods,
drainage,
improvement
project.
D
D
So
this
is
an
update
as
well
on
the
barbary
wood,
strange
improvement
project
and
this
this
one
we've
we've
finished.
The
preliminary
engineering
work
have
some
recommendations
and
are
looking
for
options
on
how
to
move
forward.
So
this
one's
a
little
bit
different
in
the
dupont
wapu,
we
funded
all
the
way
through
final
design
and
permitting
for
those
first
four
projects,
but
not
yet
construction,
barbary,
woods.
D
So,
just
as
a
quick
refresher,
barbary
woods
is
on
john's
island,
it's
basically
the
homes
on
the
northwest
quadrant
of
maybank
maybank
running
is
highway.
700
here
and
rivers
running
river
road
running
somewhat
north-south
in
the
area.
So
you'd
see
the
the
bridge
over
to
john's
island.
If
you
kept
going
this
way
just
a
little
bit,
the
new
pitchfork
road
is
actually
shown.
Kind
of
right
here
is
where
the
northern
pitchfork
would
go
so
this
this
set
of
neighborhoods
in
here.
D
When
we
talk
about
barbary
woods,
these
are
the
impacted,
neighborhoods,
the
main
neighborhood
itself.
We
talk
about
barbary,
woods
is
this
hickory
knoll
split
hickory
court
section
in
here,
but
the
overall
project
area
is
about
about
400
homes,
mostly
single-family,
with
a
mixture
of
apartments.
This
one
development,
250
acres
of
land,
a
few
undeveloped
tracks,
still,
especially
in
this
section
near
the
corridor,
and
a
little
further
down
my
bank
yeah.
The
primary
issue
on
this
project
and
we'll
see
some
pictures
in
a
minute
is,
is
not
so
much
structural
damage.
D
D
Based
on
that
work,
we
went
out
for
an
rfq
hired
w.k
dixon,
teaming
with
bow
habitats,
but
wk
dixon's.
The
prime
on
this
project
come
back,
reassess
that
h
model
and
do
a
preliminary
design
evaluation
for
what
level
of
improvements
we
could
see
and
what
land
acquisition
and
cost
would
be
necessary.
So
this
is
the
results
of
that
pulmonary
engineering
work
just
again
for
a
little
more
background.
D
This
is
kind
of
a
zoom
in
of
the
barbary
woods
neighborhood
itself,
showing
in
blue
the
typical
flood
locations
from
a
what
we
would
call
a
two-year
storm,
a
storm
that
would
occur
on
on
average.
Every
two
years
would
result
in
those
roads
being
inundated.
You
can
see
the
pictures
on
the
map
of
past
flooding
events.
These
started
all
the
way
back
in
2008
with
some
of
the
neighboring
developments
there's
a
whole
history.
D
We
can
get
into
of
why
it
floods,
if
we'd
like
to
but
floods,
floods,
pretty
badly
here's
some
close-ups
of
the
2008
rainstorm.
It
was
kind
of
the
one
of
the
kickoffs
that
got
some
attention
in
the
neighborhood
2015.
It's
worth
noting.
This
top
picture
is
during
the
rain
event,
which
you
was
not
good,
certainly,
but
2015
was
pretty
catastrophic.
D
The
bottom
picture
is
two
days
later,
two
days
after
it
had
stopped
raining,
the
water
is
still
too
deep
to
drive
in
and
out
of
the
neighborhood
2017
similar
types
of
flooding,
2018
heavy
flooding
2021.
This
was
the
two-inch
rainstorm
that
we
had
in
july
closes
the
street.
So
it's
it's
again:
it's
not
so
much
the
property
damage
which
will
be
different
in
this
neighborhood.
It's
the
inability
to
get
vehicles
in
and
out
of
the
street
running
out
of
the
neighborhood.
D
We
did
take
a
look
at
multiple
scenarios,
because
there's
there's
no
easy
project
to
improve
this
area.
Unfortunately,
because
of
how
large
the
drainage
basin
is
and
the
way
it's
set
up,
what
used
to
happen
is
the
water
would
come
kind
of
through
this
blue
area?
This
blue
wetland
area
flow
down
through
the
barberry
woods
community
through
the
neighboring
community
kind
of
turn.
The
corner
through
all
these
wetlands
come
up
through
these
developments
and
then
eventually
go
north.
D
That
was,
of
course,
before
any
of
these
developments
were
built
when
barbary
woods
was
built,
they
basically
kind
of
choked
off
to
some
extent
that
water
flow,
which
dried
out
the
downstream
areas
enough
that
a
number
of
developments
were
permitted
downstream,
and
most
of
this
was
done
under
prior
to
the
city
having
a
storm
water,
not
only
a
stormwater
department
but
a
stormwater
manual
most.
This
was
still
being
evaluated
by
the
state,
but
it's
it's
the
kind
of
thing
we
talk
about
when
you
look
at
these
basin
scales
instead
of
at
neighborhood
scales.
D
The
problem
now
is
that
the
easy
answer
you
would
think
would
be
to
just
improve
the
pipe
sizes
under
hickory
knoll
and
let
the
water
go.
But
what
happens
then?
Is
you
actually
end
up
flooding
out
all
these
downstream
neighborhoods
that
have
been
built
since
then,
if
you
restore
the
original
drainage
pathway,
so
you
don't
have
that
option
the
two?
So
we
did
look
at
that
option.
It
does
not
work
it
floods.
Everyone
out.
D
The
second
option
we
looked
at
was
realigning
basically
realigning
the
stream
in
two
different
ways.
One
kind
of
takes
it
up
and
through
this
large
vacant
parcel
to
the
north,
which
we'll
talk
about
in
a
minute.
The
other
takes
it
through
the
hickory
hickory
knoll
split
hickory
of
barbary
woods
and
brings
it
up
between
the
developments
to
try
to
minimize
impacts
to
the
vacant
parcel.
D
We
call
that
the
retreat
alternative,
because
it's
coming
through
the
flooded
homes
and
streets
in
the
retreat
alternative,
which
we
do
not
recommend
you'd
end
up
obtaining
between
14
and
21
properties,
you'd
end
up
having
to
demolish
between
13
and
18
single-family
homes,
which
would
definitely
require
them
a
you'd
end
up
doing
a
partial
acquisition
of
the
air's
property
tracked
up
here,
which
we'll
talk
about
you'd,
have
to
probably
move
or
major
reconstruction
on
the
cws
pump
station.
D
That's
down
here
serving
these
communities,
you're
gonna
end
up
with
a
project
cost
of
somewhere
between
25
and
30
million,
plus
all
the
residential
property
impacts,
which
we
decided.
We
recommended
this
against
this.
We
thought
it
was,
is
too
large
of
an
impact
both
from
cost
and
from
non-cost
impacts.
D
D
So
this
is
basically
again
taking
that
waterway
and
taking
a
section
of
undeveloped
parcels
through
here
we'll
look
at
the
property
acquisition
in
a
minute.
This
larger
a
piece
of
this
larger
undeveloped
parcel
through
here
and
then
reconnecting
and
basically
building
floodplain
storage
through
these
parcels,
as
well
as
a
re-naturalized
stream
to
convey
that
water.
D
So
the
floodplain
storage
prevents
you
from
flooding
the
downstream
properties,
because
you
can
store
the
water
on
the
property,
while
still
only
releasing
water
at
the
speed
it's
currently
going
through
that
community,
and
it
also
basically
lets
you
redirect
the
water
around
while
still
having
some
water
that
flows
through.
So
you
kind
of
get
the
best
of
both
worlds
from
a
conveyance.
How
much
water
is
flowing,
as
well
as
the
storage.
D
Yeah
one
we'll
look
at
that:
a
little
bit
more
detail
got
somewhere
in,
but
this
this
large
section
up
here
is
about
20
acres.
This
section
here
is
probably
another
five
acres,
so
it's.
D
D
D
This
smaller
section
over
here
is
a
few
different
tracks
is
about
five
acres
of
of
additional
property,
we'll
we'll
kind
of
pull
up.
What
that
looks
like
in
more
detail
we're
just
trying
to
show
kind
of
the
overview
here
of
what
the
park
kind
of
a
park
setting
would
look
like
here
so
again,
just
zooming
in
on
what
it
looks
like
there's
some
some
neat
engineering
features,
kind
of
of
how
you
would
do
the
flood
plain
control
and
what
it
would
look
like,
but,
like
I
can
talk
about
these
more
detail.
D
If
anyone
wants
so
basically
just
showing
it
it's
a
naturalized
system
rather
than
a
like
an
engineered
pond.
We
we
did
look.
We
looked
at
this
and
said
you,
you
could
acquire
slightly
less
property
and
just
build
this
as
a
giant
pond
in
a
dirt
canal,
but
you
lose
most
of
the
secondary
benefits
of
you,
know:
kind
of
natural
preservation
and
passive
park
space
for
people
to
go,
walking
and
birding
and
fishing
and
other
things
that
we
were
trying
to
keep
in
the
project.
A
D
So
we
looked
at
what
the
improvements
would
be
for
this
this
approach,
so
this
these
graphs
get
a
little
more
complicated
and
I'm
just
going
to
touch
on
them
briefly.
But
what
we're
showing
here
on
the
left
is
how
high
the
flooding
gets.
The
the
dashing
on
the
bottom
is
basically
what
the
road
elevation
sits
at.
So
when
the
water,
when
the
grass
come
above
this
kind
of
brownish,
yellow
dash,
there's
flooding
occurring.
D
So,
just
during
the
peak
of
the
storm
kind
of
here's,
a
graphical
look
of
of
what
that
looks
like
in
existing
condition
and
improved
condition
where
we
basically
go
from
like
kind
of
widespread
flooding
in
the
especially
this
yellowish
color
is
kind
of
the
worst
flooding
to
taking
most
of
the
flooding
out,
even
in
a
peak
condition.
But
there
is
not
a
complete
removal
of
flooding
from
this
project.
The
roads
are
that
low
that
there's
no
way
to
completely
get
water
off
the
road.
We're
mainly
looking
for
that
reduction.
D
D
So
this
is
one
of
these
interesting
things.
Constantly
most
of
this
area
is
at
elevation
like
20.,
it's
just
it's
a
localized
low
area
versus
everything
around
it.
So
it's
a
bowl
basically
within
a
high
area,.
A
D
D
There
also
was
not
an
evaluation
of
you're,
releasing
the
water
at
its
fastest
point
at
the
same
speed,
but
you're
releasing
it
that
fast
for
much
longer
so
you're
generating
much
more
water,
so
that
we
now
also
in
these
areas
of
known
flooding,
make
them
restrict
how
much
total
water
they
put
out,
not
just
how
fast
they
discharge
the
water.
So
it's
the
difference
between
looking
at
how
do
I
keep
my
own
site
from
flooding,
basically
versus?
How
does
my
site
not
worsen
flooding
within
the
watershed?
A
D
Storms
briefly,
this
is
the
this
10
storm.
Currently
17
hours
of
flooding,
we're
reducing
it
down
to
where
you're
only
seeing
peak
flooding
for
a
couple
of
hours,
then
it
tapers
very
quickly
off
from
that.
D
Here's
a
couple
of
pictures
just
of
what
it
would
look
like
on
other
example
sites-
and
you
were
all
familiar
with
kind
of
the
you
know
the
beauty
of
charleston
of
the
rural
areas
of
charleston,
so
we're
trying
to
bring
some
of
that
back
into
this
area
real
estate
requirements.
This
is
what
you
are
asking
about:
custom
wearing,
so
there
are
a
series
of
parcels
in
phase
one
which
will
be
the
red
the
largest
parcel
here.
This
is
this
is
one
of
the
more
difficult
properties
and
that
it's
an
airs
property
track.
D
There
is
a
single
homeowner
on
the
track.
Now
you
can
see
the
the
front
section.
The
current
proposal
leaves
the
front
six
acres
of
the
parcel
in
the
hands
of
the
original
property
owners,
including
where
the
homestead
is.
It
only
takes
kind
of
the
I
mean
it's
only,
but
the
back
20
acres,
which
are
mostly
wetland
and
lower
line
areas.
D
But,
of
course,
that's
that's
going
to
be
a
difficult
process
and
involve
a
lot
of
negotiation
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
with
the
family
to
see
if
that'll
work.
Understandably,
I
think
the
family
has
concerns
about
it
being
their
property.
That
gets
impacted.
We've
looked
at
a
lot
of
different
approaches.
You
know,
unfortunately,
that
they're
not
wrong
and
that
to
some
extent
it's
the
only
parcel
left
to
work
on
that
they're
sort
of
you
can
look
at
it
as
they
feel.
D
The
reason
that
we're
choosing
it,
though,
is
not
because
it's
nearest
property,
but
because
it
really
is
the
only
parcel-
that's
left
undeveloped
and
we're
doing
as
much
as
we
can
in
the
upstream
sections
that
are
on
other
parcels,
but
there's
just
only
so
much
water.
We
can
store
in
this
area.
Most
of
that
flow
has
to
come
through
here.
Other
that's
why
we
did
look
at
the
alternatives.
D
D
We
also
do
reduce
flooding
on
the
upstream
and
the
core
of
the
project
corridor
without
any
significant,
downstream
area
impacts,
which
is
important,
there's
no
utility
impacts,
no
major
impacts
to
the
cws
pump
station
or
the
other
utilities
in
the
area,
still
an
expensive
project.
Looking
at
and
again,
everything
right
now
is
very
fluid
with
the
construction
market.
We're
looking
at
something
like
nine
to
ten
nine
to
eleven
total
million
dollars
of
project
work
real
estate
alone,
because
of
some
of
these
large
property
acquisitions
will
likely
be.
D
A
When
you
say
earth
moving,
mr
phone,
you
mean
just
take
mining
dirt,
just.
D
Pretty
much
yeah
you're,
exactly
right,
customer
and
so
just
to
add,
more
storage
in
you
basically
just
be
hauling
that
dirt
off
of
the
site
to
create
that
curve.
So
there's
a
there's
a
cost
there,
but
sometimes,
depending
on
what
we
can
do,
we
might
also
be
able
to
find
someone
who
needs
the
dirt
for
something
else
and
reduce
our
cost
pretty
significantly.
D
If
we
don't
have
to
what
we
call
wasting
the
dirt
of
basically
wearing
dumping,
it
yeah
if
you're
a
little
bit
balanced
with
that,
because
if
you
sell
the
dirt,
you
become
a
soil
mine
and
you
have
to
go
through
different,
permitting
sets
of
hurdles,
but
there's
some
options
if
we
can
find
a
beneficial
use
for
it,.
D
We
need
to
go
through
the
design
review
committee
for
the
approach
we're
looking
at
because
of
the
parks
travel
setting.
We
have
to
get
into
a
detailed
design
contract
with
the
engineering,
firm
and
work
on
our
negotiations
and
real
estate
acquisition
in
support
of
that
work.
D
One
to
two
years
out
would
be
looking
to
complete
that
detailed
design
get
through
our
permitting
work,
which
is
somewhat
complicated.
It's
all
restoration,
so
it's
generally
well
received,
but
there's
some
complications
to
it
to
make
sure
we're
showing
no
debt,
no
negative,
downstream
impacts.
That
kind
of
work
finish
up
real
estate
activities
and
then
in
the
next
two
to
four
years,
basically
get
through
our
finish,
our
permitting
to
be
able
to
build
the
project
and
get
construction
going.
D
So
it's
it's
a
large-scale
project.
A
lot
going
on.
I
think
there's
some
great
grant
opportunities
if
we
decide
to
move
forward
with
this,
but
it
is
a.
It
is
a
project
that,
unlike
some
of
our
projects,
has
a
clear,
positive
and
a
clear
negative
to
the
to
the
approach.
So
we
wanted
to
present
this
to
the
committee
and
see
what
you
all
thought
about,
what
we've
looked
at
see
if
you
had
any
recommendations
and
then,
depending
on
what
the
discussions
are
see.
C
D
So
the
red
is
is
phase
one.
Those
would
be
the
phase,
one
properties
that
we
have
to
have
in
order
to
make
the
project
work.
So
there's
this
larger
parcel
here,
which
is
the
year's
property.
It's
about
20
out
of
the
26
acres,
there's
a
piece
from
a
couple
pieces.
I
think
from
the
hoa
in
here
which
the
hoa
has
said
from
barbara.
Was
that
they'd
be
happy
to
gratis?
Grant
I
mean
again,
I
have
to
actually
do
it
nothing's
final
until
it
happens,
but
they
clearly
have
a
stake
in
reducing
the
flooding.
D
Then
there
are
three
properties
along
the
maybank
corridor.
I
believe
these
are
all
owned
by
a
single
owner.
I
remember
right.
D
So
the
the
front
of
those
parcels
is
certainly
likely
for
development.
There's
some
slightly
higher
area
along
maybank.
It
has
frontage
along
maybank.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
switch
to
a
different
picture
again.
Sorry,
I'm
trying
to
make
everyone
sick.
So
this
this
blue
shading
through
here
councilman,
is
basically
where
the
wetland
sits.
Okay,
so
you
can
see,
there's
there's
some
frontage
on
those
properties
that
are
probably
pretty
high
quality.
D
D
Well,
you
know
we
would
take
the
wetland
for
storage
and
then
we
take
this
higher
area
in
the
back
to
basically
dig
out
and
turn
it
into
wetland
and
make
it
part
of
the
storage
on
the
project
so
there
they
are
acquisition
but
they're,
less
expensive
acquisition
both
to
reduce
costs
to
the
city,
but
also
because
you
know
the
pioneer
department
has
shown
a
preference
for
trying
to
get
some
development
along
the
maybank
corridor
here
to
provide
services
to
the
citizens.
On
john's
island.
D
Yes,
yeah
absolutely
so
a
lot
of
the
developments
you
do
see
on
maybank
tend
to
be
pretty
shallow
developments
because
of
that
well
into
the
back,
so
it
would
just
be.
I
mean
these.
These
parcels
are
pretty
narrow
generally,
instead
of
it
being
a
long,
narrow
property
which
you
typically
see
is
two
or
three
of
these
being
combined
together
into
building
a
property
along
the
front
of
maybank
development
along
the
front
of
my
bank.
C
D
C
D
And
we
wouldn't
I
mean
we
wouldn't
necessarily
expect
you
certainly
never
want
to
go
to
eminent
domain.
I
mean
we
would
hope
we
could
negotiate
a
reasonable
agreement
with
the
property
owners
for
these
we've
done.
Some
initial
appraisal
work
on
some
of
these
parcels
have
an
idea
of
what
we're
looking
at
on
some
of
the
properties.
D
C
But
matt
you,
you
mentioned
the
blue
shaded
areas
the
wetlands
and
if
that's
the
case,
it
doesn't
look
like
that.
Airs,
property
property,
the
the
bigger
one
has
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
wetland.
It
looks
like
a
little
smaller
blue
area.
There.
D
D
The
blanket
on
the
name,
the
the
basically
the
national
wetland
database
that
the
us
government
maintains.
I
see
we
have
done
a
little
bit
more
field
level.
Research
in
the
area
where
we
think
wetlands
actually
are
from
the
aerial
photos
in
front
of
the
the
ground
elevation.
So
there
there
is
more
wetland
on
this
property,
but
it's
certainly
not
all
wetland
spots
as
well.
C
Well,
mr
chairman,
if
I
may
interject,
I
certainly
like
the
concept
of
of
you
know.
When
I
see
the
drawing,
I
think
it's
the
next
slide.
You
know
it.
It
appears
as
a
park.
I
I
think
it
could
be
an
amenity
to
our
citizens
over
there
and
have
trails
and
some
some
exercise
component
and
natural
component.
C
You
know
so
that
certainly
seems
preferable
in
taking
16
homes
out
and,
at
the
same
time,
utilize
some
some
some
almost
make
a
another
part
for
john's
island.
I
it
almost
made
me
wonder
a
minute
ago
thought
went
through
my
mind
whether
once
we
got
it
under
contract
and
all
whether
we
could
even
apply
for
some
green
belt
funds
to
help
pay.
A
For
it,
I
was
thinking
the
same
thing.
I
was
thinking
of
that,
mr
mayor,
and
also
I
was
wondering,
mr
fountain,
you
know
when
you
create
wetlands.
A
D
You
you
can
mr
sherman
there's
a
few
options
for
it.
You
can
actually
create
a
formal
bank
that
that
is
basically
eligible
to
sell
the
credits
or
you
can
use
them
as
credits
on
your
own
project
or
if
we
have
projects
that
need
wetlands
so
or
we
could
partner
with
another
entity
where
we
were
to
create,
there's,
always
a
balance,
and
then
we
want
to
make
it
an
overall
benefit,
rather
than
like
a
necessarily
a
zero
trade-off.
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
fountain.
This
has
a
lot
of
similar
aspects
to
sort
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
church,
creek
and
the
ecological
part
design
acquiring
land.
You
know.
Maybe
we
can
have.
We
looked
at
applying
for
maybe
another
national
fish
and
wildlife
grant,
or
some
of
these
others.
I'm
just
wondering
exactly
how
you
want
this
committee
to
move
forward.
Are
you
asking
for
our
endorsement
of
this
plan
and
are
we
appropriating
any
funding
at
this
time?.
D
So
we're
not
looking
to
appropriate
funding
at
this
time.
Mr
cosmic
griffin,
sorry
that
we
are,
we
are
looking
looking
at
your
kind
of
questions,
nor
I
think
you're
right
that
the
the
nif
with
grants,
national
fish
and
wildlife
foundation
grants
are
one
of
the
most
likely
most
appropriate
sources
for
this.
There
also
are
some
conservation
bank
funding
type
grants,
not
so
much
for
the
ayers
property,
but
for
some
of
the
non-condemnation-oriented
properties
that
may
have
some
real
benefit
here.
D
We've
we've
talked
a
little
bit,
not
not
with
project
specifics
in
fairness
to
anyone,
but
with
some
of
the
other
advocacy
groups
like
ducks
unlimited,
so
they're
groups
that
are
kind
of
strong
advocates
of
preserving
native
habitat
in
areas
near
kind
of
near,
but
not
in
urban
areas
like
john's
island.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
support
for
this
approach
to
a
project,
not
necessarily
again,
this
particular
site
specific
area,
but
I
think
there
are
some
great
funding
opportunities
that
we
could
look
for
to
move
the
project
forward.
D
What
we're
looking
at
right
now
from
the
committee
is,
is
first
for
for
input
on
the
project
approach
itself
and
then
second,
the
next
step
would
normally
be
to
go
to
real
estate
committee,
with
some
recommendations
for
property
acquisition
and
to
see
if
there
were
any
recommendations
towards
that
action
from
this
committee.
Since
it's
coming,
you
know
coming
we'll
come
through
public
works
utilities
committee,
since
it
really
is
a
stormwater
and
public
works
style
project,
especially
with
it
you'll,
be
obviously
being
a
more
sensitive
project
with
potential
eminent
domain.
D
Some
of
the
ideas,
for
instance,
would
be
there's
always
options
right
to
acquire
the
property
rather
than
to
purchase
the
property,
to
look
at
potentially
purchasing
an
easement
on
the
property
like
a
recreational
and
drainage
easement,
where
the
underlying
property
perhaps
could
stay
in
the
original
family,
but
there
would
be
access
rights
for
people
to
come
on
the
property,
maybe
with
some
limitations,
for
you
know
not
having
it,
I
should
say
putting
limitations
on
to
try
to
like
protect
it
from
unrestricted
development,
let's
say
or
redevelopment
by
the
city,
because
if
we
acquire
a
property,
then
sometimes
there's
a
concern
that
the
city
may
do
things
that
property
that
are
not
the
original
plans
for
the
property
right.
D
If
we
come
on
and
purchase
it,
we
could
later
turn
around
and
but
tennis
stadium
put
a
tennis
courts
on
it
or
do
something
like
that
where,
if
we
came
back
and
said,
look
we
want
to
make
it
a
preservation,
property
put
a
conservation
easement
on
it.
Do
something
like
that.
There
might
be
more
interest
in
acquisition.
D
So
that
might
be
something
that
that
we
would
recommend
at
a
staff
level.
I
think
something
like
a
conservation.
Easement
has
a
lot
of
value
that
might
open
up
some
green
belt
funding
opportunities.
Some
of
that
kind
of
thing,
I
think,
there's
there's
some
real
value
here
in
eventual
development
offset.
This
is
a
obviously
an
incredibly
high
demand
development
area
on
john's
island,
but
it's
an
area
that's
been
suffering
from
over
development
from
flooding
and
other
challenges.
D
This
is
actually
one
of
the
corridor
options
for
where
526
some
of
the
off
ramps
for
526
come
through
this
parcel.
So
there's
also
the
potential
I
mean
this
is
seen
as
a
in
a
lot
of
different
areas
is
a
a
you
know,
likely
property
to
be
developed
or
used
for
something
else.
So
there's
some
options
here
to
try
to
protect
it
and
preserve
it,
while
still
leaving
the
frontage
land
for
the
different
property
owners
and
the
usage
is
envisioned
by
the
city
zoning.
D
So
that's
that's
kind
of
what
we're
looking
for
today
is
to
see
if
there's
any
direction
along
those
lines.
If
there's
anything
that
the
committee
would
like
to
see
us
do
before
we
go
to
real
estate,
if
this
is
a
good
starting
point
for
real
estate,
if
we
should
continue
negotiations,
if
we
want
to
move
to
saying
yes,
this
is
the
project
approach
you
want.
Let's
go
forward
with
an
eminent
domain
authority,
there's
a
lot
of
different
options
of
how
we
move
forward.
A
It's
a
pleasure
to
committee.
I
have
a
follow-up.
B
Question,
mr
chairman,
councilman
griffin,
you
said
that
this
is
a
parcel
that
could
be
used
for
off-ramps
on
526..
B
How
does
that
play
into
this
project
and
our
proposed
design
if
we
acquire
this
land
and
do
this
natural
restoration?
Could
that
negatively
impact
the
completion
of
526.
D
So
it
was
one
of
the
original
alternative
proposals,
there's
a
whole
series
of
different
alternatives
of
the
526
option.
It's
not
my
understanding
is
it's
not
their
preferred
alternative,
nor
is
it
the
one
they've
kind
of
selected
as
their
selected
plan,
but
it
was
an
example
kind
of
of
what's
being
looked
at
for
these
types
of
parcels
in
the
area,
so
it
shouldn't
have
any
impact
at
this
point,
councilman.
A
Well,
it's
entertain
a
motion
here
for
mr
fountain
one
way
or
the
other.
D
And
mr
chairman,
that
was
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
was
basically
if
public
works
utilities
committee
was
interested
in
recommending
us
to
advance
to
real
estate
committee
to
talk
about
property
acquisition
with
the
project.
A
Don't
move
second,
second:
is
there
a
plan
of
councilman
griffin.
B
B
But
I
still
think
there's
a
lot
more
questions
and
answers,
but
I
really
like
the
design
concept
and
I'd
like
us
to
to
send
that
to
real
estate,
but
I
would
hope
that
we
wouldn't
be
acting
on
this
too
too
quickly.
D
And
just
very
briefly,
councilman
griffin
there
there
is
a
relatively
significant
amount
of
funding
that
had
been
previously
allocated
out
of
the
drainage
fund
for
the
project,
so
we're
not
asking
for
any
new
funding
at
this
point
because
there's
plenty
of
funding,
I
should
never
say
that
there
is
what
we
feel
like
is
beyond
sufficient
funding
for
real
estate
acquisition
and
design
purposes
in
the
currently
allocated
amount
of
money.
C
Mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
make
clear-
and
I
I
think
matt
said
this
a
minute
ago
of
the
you
know
the
current
councilmember
griffin,
the
current
preferred
alternative
by
the
scdot.
I
think
they
call
alternate
g
or
plan
g
and
it
would
not
impact
this
property
on
this
side
of
river
road
is,
is
not
any
impact
whatsoever
on
the
extension
of
mark
clark-
and
I
agree
with
you-
we
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
would
interfere
with
that,
but
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
this
property
would
not.
C
A
D
A
Okay,
I
do
have
a
couple
of
housekeeping
questions
now,
I'm
circling
back
to,
I
think.
At
the
last
meeting
I
made
mention
about
possible
moa
agreement
with
ashley
hall,
ashley
harbor.
With
this
you
know
sucking
out
a
drainage
pipe
or
something
I
don't
know
whether
we
had
a
chance
to
legally
anybody
had
a
chance
to
even
consider
that,
but
anyway,
I
kind
of
want
to
keep
that
until
we
get
a
definitive
answer
on
that.
D
So,
mr
I
did
I
did
talk
to
the
legal
department
about
that
idea.
They
they
basically
did
come
back
and
say
that
it's
it's
it's
very
challenging
due
to
the
nature
of
how
the
private
developments
are
set
up
and
us
not
looking
like
we're
basically
using
taxpayer
funds
to
like
subsidize
competition
against
private
but
private
contractors.
I
think
what
we
can
do.
D
What
we
talked
about
is
we're
happy
to
get
them
some
contact
information,
help
them
find
contact
information
for
a
variety
of
different
contractors
that
they
could
use
for
that
type
of
work
right
and
then
you
know
even
have
one
of
our
engineers
kind
of
explain
to
whatever
contractor
they
select
what
they're
talking
about
working
on
or
doing
that's
likely
to
be
cheaper
for
them,
probably
than
anything
else
would
be,
and
I
think
that
the
other
concern,
of
course,
is
if
any
damage
is
done
to
the
infrastructure
right
that
the
private
contractors
carry
insurance
for
that,
where
the
city
doesn't
generally
ensure
in
the
same
way,
so
we
could
kind
of
get
into
a
spiral
of
liability
on
trying
to
report
very.
A
Good
point:
you
guys
you
suck
something
out
and
something
starts
collapsing
on.
You
got
a
big
experience.
I
hear
you,
maybe
we
ought
to
kind
of
jot
that
down
in
writing.
You
know
so
I
guess
councilman
shealy
others
sit
down
with
the
people
in
the
hoa
give
a
better
explanation.
A
Absolutely
madagascar
was
a
you
know
over
there
on
ashley
harbor.
You
know
kind
of
cleaning
out
the
outfall.
That
kind
of
thing
where.
D
A
Madagascar,
it's
the
street
and
ashley
harbour
talked
to
a
little
wetland
marsh.
There.
D
We
have
one
of
our
crews
scheduled
to
do
the
outfall
work
that
we
can
do
and
then
we're
looking
at
if,
if
that
does
not
provide
a
lot
of
improvement,
which
I
think
that
will
provide
some
at
least
looking
at
potentially
having
some
further
clean
out
a
little
further
into
that
bulls.
Creek
waterway
is
a
small
project
for
next
year
as
well
for
consideration.
If
again,
if
we
can't
get
it
cleaned
out
well
enough
that
it
helps
the
water
start
flowing
better.
Okay,.
A
D
Yes,
yeah,
so
that
one
we
we
have
set
up
we're
trying
to
get
one
of
our
contract
idc
companies
to
take
a
look
at
that.
So
we've
reached
out
to
a
couple
of
our
different
idc
contractors
for
pipe
cleaning,
the
indefinite
delivery
contract
cleaners
to
see
if
they
can
come
in
and
work
on
that
one
to
see
if
our
crews
missed
something
or
if
there's
something
that
they
didn't
weren't
able
to
get
cleaned.
Okay,.
B
Elton
griffin,
I
meant
to
do
this
at
the
last
meeting,
but
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
matt
and
stormwater
police
department,
south
carolina
d.o.t.
I
was
coming
down
rutledge
avenue
a
couple
weeks
ago,
when
we
were
in
the
middle
of
that
big
storm
that
we
had
rain
like
three
or
four
days
in
a
row
right.
A
big
sinkhole
developed
right
there
on
rutledge
and
it
took
up
almost
the
entire
lane
and
I
sit
and
I
hit
it
hard.
B
You
know
so
as
soon
as
I
hit
it,
I
I
called
matt
I
pulled
over
and
I
was
trying
to
help
direct
traffic.
Everybody
on
our
city
staff
jumped
because
there
was
so
many
cars
coming
up
in
out
rutledge
at
five
o'clock.
We,
you
know
the
d.o.t
got
out
there.
Our
police
department
got
out
there.
Matt
was
checking
the
maps
looking
for
pipes,
I
mean
we
really
really
care
about
our
citizens.
I
mean
just
our
staff,
just
they
never
turn
their
phones
off.
B
They
work
after
hours
all
the
time
and
within
a
few
hours
d.o.t
got
out
there
put
a
plate
over
it,
they're
going
to
replace
place.
The
road
there
and
fix
it,
you
know
that
that
to
me
is
a
citizen
service
that
we
don't
necessarily
that
doesn't
necessarily
make
it
in
to
to
our
daily
services.
It's
something
special,
but
I
mean
anybody
could
have
hit
that
sinkhole
at
40
miles
an
hour
if
our
staff
hadn't
jumped
up
the
way
that
they
did
and
gone
out
there
and
corrected
it.
You
know
we
would
have.
B
A
D
Ended
up
being
some
damage
on
a
cws
manhole,
so
counseling
griffin
was
our
first
report
of
the
sinkhole,
so
he
did
a
great
job
calling
it
in.
He
was
the
first
person
to
report
it.
I
got
in
touch
with
mike
black
at
dot,
who
you
know
same
thing
responded
after
hours.
I
think
it
was
on
a
friday.
Councilman
wasn't
something
like
that.
D
Can't
remember,
he
got
his
contractor
to
come
out
and
plate
plate
the
sinkhole,
because
it's
on
a
major
dot
street,
as
councilman
griffin
mentioned
they
invent
we
frank
and
frank
newman
from
our
office
and
dot
met
out
there.
The
next
day
investigated
it
determined
it.
Looked
like
a
cws
issue.
Contact
cws,
cws
came
out
and
they're
doing
the
repair
work,
so
it
was,
it
wasn't
and
cpd
came
out
and
blocked
off
the
lane
and
the
intermediary
to
make
sure
nobody
hit
it
and
damage
their
car.
So
I
mean
it
was
a.
B
Y'all
could
have
seen
me
out
there
in
my
vest,
trying
to
tell
people
to
go
around
it
and
they
saw
me
and
they're
honking
at
me
and
screaming
at
me,
and
then
they
would
get
they
go.
Oh
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much.
Oh,
some
crazy
guy
in
a
yellow
vest,
but
you
didn't
hurt
your
car.
Did
you?
No?
No!
Luckily
it
did
not,
but
former
member
jimmy
gallon
hit
it
hard
too,
so
he
he
he's
trying
to
get
it
fixed.
B
A
Was
a
good
size
sinkhole,
it
was
yeah.
You
know
what
I
do
have
fun
questions
on
this.
It's
not
on
that,
but
mr
mayor
and
mr
fountain,
you
know
see
we
got
cws
meeting
tomorrow.
Remember
that
one
word
that
they
wanted
shifted.
I
think
you
know
from
our
planning
documents-
and
I
know
our
staff
was
supposed
to
get
with
this
staff.
C
I
understand
that
they
just
hadn't
been
able
to
schedule
a
meeting
until
recently,
and
the
meeting
is
one
o'clock
tomorrow:
okay
between
our
staff
and
cws
staff,.
C
It's
it
is,
but
but
we
were
going
to
meet
with
them
and
talk
about
it
and
see
if
we
could
get
everybody's
on
the
same
page
as
what
to
do
next
and
and
like
I
said
they
just
haven't,
been
able
to
get
together.
So
they're
get
they're
doing
that
tomorrow.
Okay,
all
right,
let's
stay.
A
Tuned
all
right,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
thanks
we
had
a
good
meeting
by
actually
it's
dana
jaron,
okay.