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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 6/17/2022
D
Mr
chair,
we're
live
streaming
now.
Did
you
want
to
start
the
meeting.
B
D
B
B
Vice
chairman
peter
shade
of
the
public
works
and
utilities
committee.
The
day
is
june:
17th
2022,
it's
1,
35
4
p.m.
We
were
getting
conflicting
information
about
whether
or
not
the
chair
was
going
to
be
available
and
we
have
an
issue
with
the
number
of
folks
attending.
We
do
have
a
quorum
present
with
the
mayor
myself
and
mr
kessler
bowden
so
councilman
bowden.
If
you're
still
with
us,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
lead
us
in
the
navigation.
Please,
sir.
C
All
right,
sorry,
some
some
just
popped
up
all
right
dearly.
Father,
thank
you
for
bringing
us
together
today.
Please
grant
us
wisdom
as
we
go
about
the
city's
business,
help
us
make
the
correct
choices
for
the
people
of
our
city
and
help
us
all
to
get
done.
With
this
meeting
have
a
wonderful
long
weekend.
B
E
C
D
B
Any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
item
e2,
mr
o'brien.
Yes,
sir.
E
This
is
a
sidewalk,
that's
being
constructed
on
the
west
side
of
morrison
drive
in
conjunction
with
the
morris
yard
apartment
project,
the
developers
paying
for
that,
and
this
will
be
in
the
fcdot
right
away
and
has
happened
sometimes
when
we
build
these
projects,
they've
asked
us
to
maintain
it.
So
it's
a
good
deal
for
the
city,
because
the
developers
they're
absorbing
all
the
costs
for
the
construction
of
that,
and
we
recommend
that.
B
Okay,
let
me
finish
this
item
number
two,
then
I
can
turn
it
back
over
to
mr
wearing
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
adopt
item
e2.
B
Second,
second,
any
further
discussion.
I
see
e2
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
in
the
opposite
eyes
have
it,
mr
chairman,
we
were
a
little
bit
under
the
gun,
literally.
B
B
E
Sir
councilmember
waring,
this
is
a
drainage
project
that
mr
fountain
stormwater
organization
is
doing
on
savannah
highway,
to
improve
some
drainage
issues
there
and
again
being
in
the
scdo
right
away.
They've
asked
us
to
maintain
after
that,
and
we
would
recommend
for
approval
of
that.
D
This
is
a
small
project
that
we've
been
waiting
some
years
to
accomplish
and
apparently
as
normal.
This
is
a
acceptance
that
we're
kind
of
in
a
position
where,
if
we
don't
accept
it,
we
can't
we
can't
move
forward
right
right.
F
F
Yeah
yeah,
I
have
some
advice
on
that
one.
Mr
may
I
I
understand
your
pain.
We
do
hypothetically,
mr
fountain.
If
this
thing
were
fixed,
where
would
the
state
get
the
money
to
maintain,
I
mean:
does
it
come
from
income
taxes?
Does
it
come
from
road
taxes
or.
A
F
Okay,
let
me
carry
the
motion
because
then
the
times
have
the
essence.
All
in
favor
of
motion
any
more
discussion.
Let
me
pass
that
I
see
a
hand
up
for
rick
giroud.
F
D
F
E
Mr
chairman,
this
is
acceptance
of
a
portion
of
right
away
and
matt.
Can
you
help
me
out?
I
forget,
which
is
this
beast
ferry?
I
forget
which
road
you
said.
A
This
is
it's
glenn
mcdonnell
in
the
area
of
beast
ferry.
E
Okay-
and
this
is
for
inclusion
in
the
church
street
flood
storage
project
and
we're
just
taking
a
portion
of
that
right
away
and.
A
Mr
brown,
if
you
marry,
mr,
if
you
don't
mind
me
just
clarifying
very
briefly
sure,
yeah
and
and
mr
o'brien
is
exactly
right-
it's
the
it's,
the
right-of-way
that
extends
from
the
edge
of
the
glenn
mcconnell
right-of-way
over
to
the
primary
church,
creek
canal.
So
it's
not
it's
not
actual
road
right-of-way,
even
though
it's
scdot,
so
they
own
it
as
right-of-way.
A
It's
a
basically
a
paper
right-of-way
with
a
drainage
canal
in
it
that
we're
using
as
part
of
our
storage
project
for
the
church,
creek
area.
F
Any
stories
we
can
get
out
there
we
need
right
all
in
favor
of
motion,
please
say
hi.
B
F
So
we
on
the
same
page,
that'll
click.
E
Sir,
we
have
a
lot.
We
have
several
senses,
irrigation
systems
and
right
angle,
signs
but
all
have
been
inspected
and
recommended
for
approval
of
the
encroachments,
and
we
offer
them
to
the
committee's
information.
Okay
and.
B
So
I
know
I
had
this
issue
in
matt,
and
I
have
talked
about
this
in
my
neighborhood
that
some
of
these
folks
erect
fencing
in
a
drainage
ditch
and
some
of
that.
Those
issues
are
just
because
the
survey
lines
are
off
or
there's
all
the
neighborhoods
and
people
sort
of
lose
track
of
where
the
ditch
actually
ends
up
in
the
back
of
their
yard
and
those
people
erecting
those
fences
are
not
temporary.
E
Several
years
ago,
councilmember
shade
we
met
with
our
legal
staff
and
it
was
a
recommendation
on
legal
staff
that
a
fence
since
it
can
be
removed
and
constructed
it's
not
a
permanent
like
a
footing
of
a
building
or
something,
and
if
it's
necessary,
I
will
tell
you
that
we
work
very
closely
in
conjunction
with
benji
smith
and
matt's
staff.
Our
inspectors
meet
in
the
field
anytime,
we're
in
a
drainage
easement
just
to
make
sure,
and
we
we
do
not
approve
all
of
them
and
some
of
them
we
move.
We
make
the
people
move.
E
For
those
same
reasons.
You
say
they
they're
not
even
aware
of
what
the
drainage
user
needs
on
their
property
or
not.
So
we've
gotten
a
lot
better
working
in
conjunction
with
storm
water
to
ensure
that
those
disrupt
a
matter
of
fact.
I
just
got
a
couple
of
requests
from
benji
this
week
for
some
that
have
actually
been
constructed
illegally.
Without
going
through
our
process.
They're
gonna
have
to
be
removed
to
allow
some
maintenance
to
take
place.
E
Contemporary,
we
keep
a
list
and
do
record
and
we
make
sure
that
all
of
them
we
send
a
copy
back,
and
we
also
we
have
our
inspector
make
an
actual
personal
contact
with
everybody
that
does
this
in
the
field.
So
when
first
set
when
they
get
an
encroachment
request,
is
for
our
inspector
to
meet
in
the
field
with
the
person
to
see
what
they're
proposing
to
be
laid
out
and
then
using
our
standards
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
adhere
any
problems
with
the
drainage
system.
B
Okay
thanks
for
that
explanation,
I
appreciate
y'all.
I
think
I
think
we've
gotten
better
with
this
obviously
over
time.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
the
properties
in
west
ashley
were
at
one
time,
not
part
of
the
city
they
were
incorporated,
and
so
the
transfer
of
the
documentation,
which
is
a
critical
component
of
all
of
this,
is
to
make
sure
that
success
or
property
owners
and
the
city
is
aware
of
what's
going
on,
so
if
it
becomes.
F
B
F
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
brian,
for
the
explanation.
Item
g
is
for
information
on
the
trash,
but
let
me
ask
this.
I
know
the
mayor
has
to
it's
on
a
tight
schedule
as
hey.
I
am
on
the
agenda.
You
want
us
to
advance
prior
to
leaving
mr
mint.
F
That
would
be
h3
all
right
if
we
could,
if
the
let's
take
a
motion
to
go
out
and
take
h3,
can
we
get
a
second
to
that
motion.
C
F
Probably
moved
in
second
all
in
favor
of
advancing
the
skills
hp.
Please
say:
aye
aye
any
impose
item,
h3
who's,
going
to
address
this
first,
the
mountain.
A
So
this
is
a
report
out,
mr
chairman,
from
basically
the
work
that
we
accomplished
at
the
budget
ad
hoc
committee
discussing
how
we
would
advance
drainage
projects
and
which
projects
would
require
new
funding
in
order
to
change
the
level,
basically
of
of
recommendation
to
how
far
to
take
the
project
currently
with
council
approval
and
then
which
projects
we
are
continuing
to
advocate,
for
which
phase
they
are
currently
at,
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
clarify
that
because
that's
that's
a
very
confusing
set
of
statements
I
just
made,
but
the
top
section
of
the
chart
here
are
basically
updated
recommendations
from
the
budget
ad
hoc
committee.
A
So
we
we
list
the
project,
for
instance.
This
first
example
here
is
the
alberta,
long
leg,
drainage
improvement.
The
committee
recommended
that
we
advance
that
project
into
preliminary
engineering.
A
So
basically,
I
laid
out
here
each
of
the
projects
we
discussed
at
the
budget
ad
hoc
committee,
and
I
can
run
through
those
if
the
committee
would
like-
or
we
can
read
them
on
the
screen.
Whatever
is
more
straightforward,
for
everyone
lay
out
again
which
level
of
design
or
construction
we
took
each
project
through
again
those
costs
that
were
discussed
at
the
budget
hot
committee
for
each
of
those
projects
and
then
what
the
potential
funding
sources
would
be
for
each
of
those
projects
the
table
below
below
that
here.
A
These
are
existing
projects
that
the
budget
hot
committee,
basically
recommitted
to
the
existing
direction
of
those
projects.
Some
of
these
will
require
some
additional
funding,
depending
on
costs.
As
we
see
some
cost
increases
lately,
but
these
were
basically
staying
at
the
same
general
level
of
progress
recommended
by
the
budget.
Hot
committee
is
what
we
have
currently
I'm
happy
to
discuss
any
of
those
in
more
detail
or
go
through
them
one
by
one,
if
that's
helpful,
if
whatever
your
preference
does.
Mr
chairman.
F
Let
me
open
the
floor
up
to
questions
mr
mayor.
D
F
D
I
would
just
comment
with
the
chairman
that
he's
particularly
the
ones
on
the
top
of
projects
that
we've
been
talking
about
for
a
long
time
right
to
be
able
to
advance
them
to
real
work
happening
on
them
is,
is
I
think,
in
everyone's
interest
of
a
special
note?
D
Was
the
central
part
improvements
that
we've
been
talking
about
for
some
years,
and
this
would
actually
advance
not
just
the
design
and
permitting,
but
to
the
extent
of
the
funding
lab
to
construction
for
the
first
two
areas
and
in
a
similar
fashion,
the
dupont,
raw
food
drainage
improvements,
the
first
four
of
those
recommendations,
so
this
I'd
consider
a
critical
step
for
us
to
advance
these
projects
to
reality.
And
then
you
know
when
we
did
the
review
of
the
stormwater
funding
over
the
projected
next
five
or
six
years.
I
think
it
was.
D
We
had
enough
funding
in
place
to
now
say
we
could
advance
these
projects
and-
and
you
know,
with
committee
and
council's
approval.
I
think
this
is
a
terrific
step
to
us
today.
F
I
agree
any
councilman,
I
see
your
hand
well.
B
I
I
just
can't
let
this
pass
without
two
of
these
projects.
The
fort
royal
area
and
west
county
place
our
project,
I'm
working
with
mr
fountain
on
even
before
he
got
on
on
board
with
us,
so
he's
a
very
important
project
for
these
communities,
and
I
noticed
also
is
something
you
and
I
share.
Mr
chairman.
It's
going
to.
B
On
the
work
that
we
are
anticipating
with
citadel
and
the
epic
center
excuse
me
the
epic
center.
So
let's
get.
A
B
Let's
get
these
suckers
approved
and
move
them
on.
This
is
the
accumulation
of
a
lot
of
hard
work
by
a
lot
of
people,
been
pushing
these
projects
and
identifying
them,
and
I'm
happy
to
see
where
they
are.
At
this
point,.
F
C
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
say
the
late
daughter,
long
branch,
creek
improvements,
I
see
those
up
top
and
then
the
glenn
mcconnell
culvert
down
at
the
bottom.
So
I
just
want
to
see
if
the.
F
C
Versus
the
1.5
million
is
that
is
that
what
we
talked
about,
like
councilmember.
F
I
don't
think
so.
Let
me
let's
get
some
clarification.
Mr
fountain
glenn
mcconnell.
I
thought
that
was
already
put
to
bid.
Mr
fountain.
A
So
you're
right,
mr
chairman,
the
glenn
mcconnell
culvert
at
the
bottom,
that
is
the
existing
1.5
million
dollar
allocation
from
council
that
was
voted
through
a
council
right.
The
recommendation
from
the
badge
at
hot
committee
was
to
advance
one
and
a
half
million
dollars
towards
the
improvements
to
the
actual
creek
and
lake.
That
would
be
necessary
to
basically
be
able
to
use
those
pipes
to
activate
those
pipes
for
preliminary
engineering
work.
A
F
That's
true:
are
there
any
council
members
again,
I
can't
see
everybody.
So
if
anybody
please
speak
up,
be
recognized
on
this
before
we
carry
to
the
motion.
F
All
right
hearing,
then:
let's
entertain
the
motion
to
carry
this
forward
properly,
move
that
councilman
shade;
second
remove
and
second
it
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
hi
hi
any
opposed.
Thank
you.
F
All
right
take
care
have
a
good
meeting
all
right.
Now
we
can
go
back
up
to
item
g1,
which
was
for
information,
as
I
understand
proposed
changes
to
trash
collection
methods.
Mr
o'brien.
E
Yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
you
may
recall
last
fall
late
last
summer
last
fall.
We
we
talked
about
some
proposed
changes
or
orders
on
collection
amounts
and
fees,
and
things
like
that
and
we've
been
working
very
hard
to
to
come
up
with
what
we
think
is
a
good
plan
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
matt
who's,
got
a
a
presentation,
he'd
like
to
share
with
the
committee
to
kind
of
go
over
the
reasoning
behind
all
this,
and
it's
just
kind
of
refresh
your
memory
and
also
councilmember.
E
Bowden
is
due
to
the
committee
to
give
him
some
information
and
we'll
be
glad
to
present
this,
and
our
intent
would
be
to
hate.
If
the
committee
agrees
is
to
take
these
to
council
in
july,
because
it
does
involve
some
ordinance
changes
then
have
a
education
period
for
two
months
and
then
start
the
the
actual
enforcement
under
the
new
ordinance
in
the
fall.
Sometimes
so,
having
said
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
matt.
D
G
Good
afternoon
council
member
thanks
tom,
so
we've
been
working
on
this
presentation
pretty
much
for
the
last
two
weeks,
we've
had
some
help
from
bfrc
miss
wharton
and
andrew,
as
well
kind
of
putting
this
thing
together
for
everybody.
G
As
you
know,
we've
had
quite
a
time
here
recently
picking
up
yard
debris
and
bulk
items
just
due
to
the
significant
amount
being
placed
out
each
week,
so
we
kind
of
want
to
get
back
to
to
revisiting
that
code
and
getting
that
see
if
we
can't
get
that
moving
forward,
this
first
slide
I'm
going
to
show
you
is
some
collection
trends
that
we've
been
seeing
for
quarter
one
of
last
year
to
quarter
two
or
quarter
one
of
this
year.
G
Just
for
the
city
alone,
we
collected
994
tons
more
than
we
did
in
2021
for
the
first
quarter,
that's
a
little
over
23
increase.
G
You
know
our
partners
in
in
capital
and
trident
have
also
been
seen
in
increasing
tonnages
with
capital,
seeing
a
46
percent
in
for
a
46
ton
increase
and
trident
seeing
a
432
ton
increase.
F
G
So
so,
there's
not
really
a
known
cause
other
than
you
know.
There
are
more
people
moving
to
the
area
more
people
coming
into
the
city.
You
know,
like
you
said
we
haven't,
had
a
storm
for
for
what
two
two
and
a
half
years,
so
there
hasn't
been
anything
to
knock
this
debris
down,
so
people
are
pruning
more
and
and
placing
it
out
to
the
curb.
Whereas
you
know
previous
storms,
they
would
we
put
it
all
out
at
once
and
then
collect
it.
G
That's
the
only
thing
that
that
I
can
come
up
with
so
all
together,
we're
up
1472
tons,
which
is
2.9
million
pounds
of
trash
just
just
from
quarter
one
comparing
the
two
quarter,
one
from
2021
and
quarter,
one
from
2022.
G
Here
you
can
see
that
the
trend
has
been
trending
upward
as
far
as
tonnages.
This
dates
back
from
january
of
2016,
and
it
just
continues
to
rise
every
year.
G
G
So
what
do
other
municipalities
and
localities
do
compared
to
us
so
savannah?
Georgia
has
a
15
bag
limit
on
lawn
and
leaf
bags.
Their
limbs
must
not
take
more
than
five
minutes
to
collect
tree.
Stumps
are
not
collected
and
non-compliance
will
have
fees
associated
with
them
goose
creek.
G
They
only
allow
a
use
of
a
96
gallon,
garbage
cart
and
one
small
limp
pile
charlotte
north
carolina,
no
more
than
32,
gallons
of
yard
clippings,
and
no
more
than
a
three
by
three
pile
or
two
piles
that
are
no
more
than
three
by
three
by
three
and
those
tree
stumps
and
then
augusta
is
the
same
thing:
pretty
much
32
gallons
of
lawn
and
leaf
clippings,
no
pile
larger
than
10
feet
with
a
maximum
of
10
cubic
yards
and
non-compliance
will
have
fees
associated
with
so
requested
trash
code
revisions.
G
We
can
send
this
out,
and
this
is
just
some
of
the
changes
I
go
into
more
detail
here
in
the
next
slide.
Some
of
the
key
changes.
Currently
we
have
unlimited
bags
that
they
can
put
out
a
limited
bulk,
a
limited
brush
and
unlimited
white
goods.
So
we
don't
limit
anything
other
than
construction
debris,
which
is
one
cubic
yard,
and
that's
about
96
gallons
or
one
garbage
cart
full.
G
We
would
like
to
change
this
to
15
yard
bags
per
week,
one
pile
that
is
four
foot
by
four
foot
by
four
foot
per
week
for
trash
or
yard
debris
and
then
one
for
bulk
items
so
give
you
a
reference.
A
four
by
four
by
four
pile
is
about
the
size
of
an
average
oven,
is
what
they'd
be
able
to
put
out
each
week
and
then
limit
of
two
white
goods
per
collection
week,
which
would
be
a
stove
and
a
refrigerator,
washer,
dryer,
etc.
G
So
here's
some
of
the
pictures
we've
taken
of
the
problem
out
there.
You
can
see
the
lana
leaf
bags
just
down
the
street
big
piles
of
brush
that
we
face
with
every
week.
G
Some
of
the
key
changes
that
we'd
like
to
make
or
make
would
be
no
missed
collections
that
our
residents
fair
place
out.
The
container
curbside
required
time,
which
we
can
verify
with
a
dance
or
a
date
stamped
photo
from
the
truck
that
our
drivers
take.
They
can
request
a
pickup
at
a
cost
of
250
per
per
pickup,
and
that
250
was
is
basically
our
our
our
cost
right.
Our
maintenance,
our
fuel,
our
employee
time,
and
things
like
that
is
how
we
came
up
with
that
number.
G
Each
additional
four
by
four
by
four
pile
that
exceeds
the
weekly
limit
of
one,
can
be
scheduled
for
collection
with
the
environmental
services
division
at
250
per
pile,
each
additional
4x4
by
4
yard
waste
pile
that
exceeds
the
weekly
limit
of
one
can
be
scheduled
for
collection
with
environmental
services
for
the
same
cost
of
250.
G
G
Trees
that
have
only
been
cut
down
by
the
homeowner
may
be
removed
if
scheduled,
with
environmental
service
division
at
a
cost
of
250
per
tree.
The
city
of
charleston
will
not
remove
any
trees
that
are
cut
down
by
contractors
and
then
multi-family
residents
that
have
more
than
eight
units
would
be
required
to
get
a
dumpster
unless
amended
by
the
city.
G
Proposed
weekly
collection
amount,
so
a
four
by
four
by
four
pile
of
yard.
Waste
is
roughly
about
2.37
cubic
yards,
and
that
goes
for
the
same
for
bulk,
15
yard
and
leaf
bags
is
a
little
was
about
0.12
cubic
yards,
which
equates
to
4.8
six
cubic
yards
per
week
that
we
pick
up
or
1.34
tons
so
compared
to
20
and
21.
This
is
actually
an
increase
from
0.68
to
0.78,
so
we're
actually
increasing
it.
You
know
not
everybody
puts
that
much
stuff
out,
but
the
big
piles
are
are
hurting
us
every
week.
F
G
F
Right
so
now,
under
those
under
the
new
recommendation,
in
particular
the
the
debris
not
so
much
the
bags.
But
how
would
a
homeowner.
F
G
So
that's
a
good
question:
I'm
not
sure
how
they're
going
to
reduce
it.
I
mean
less
less
pruning,
spread
it
out
over
over
weeks
right.
You
don't
have
to
put
it
all
out
at
once,
but
right
now,
when
we
get
out
to
these
piles,
it's
it's.
Sometimes
these
piles
are
taking
15
minutes
well,.
F
I
understand
why
no,
no
I'm
not
trying
to
talk
you
out
of
it.
I'm
just
wondering
how
once
we
educate
the
public,
I
mean.
What
is
that
education
going
to
be?
I
know
it's
going
to
be
four
by
four
by
four,
but
obviously
this
person-
I
don't
know,
I
guess
you
do
one
you
do
anyway,
yeah
you
just
spread
it
out.
G
Yep
yeah
you'd
have
to
spread
it
out
right,
not
do
everything
at
once
or
or
you
know,
don't
put
it
all
out
to
the
curb.
Every
week
we've
got
some
educational
pieces
later
in
the
in
the
presentation.
What
were
you
going
to
do?
Pardon
my
interruption,
no
you're,
fine,
so,
and
so
we're
also
we're
required.
F
C
So
I
I
I
know
how
you
arrived
at
the
250,
and
that
makes
sense
just
to
you
know
straight
up,
applying
the
cost
to
the
person
who's
going
to
use
it.
But
I
I
assume
that
what
we
we
actually
sort
of
don't
want
people
paying
that
fee
and
having
to
go
out
there
again
I
mean
if
they
do,
they
do,
but
it
seems
like
what
we're
really
trying
to
do
here
is
make
people
be
a
bit
more
thoughtful
about
what.
C
G
So
yes,
we've
we've
considered
that
and
you're
right
councilman.
Our
goal
is
not
to
charge
them.
Our
goal
is
to
educate
them
and
reduce
the
number
the
amount
that's
being
picked
up
because,
like
you
said,
we
don't
want
to
go
back
out
and
collect
more
stuff
than
we
have
to
the
the
object
of
this
is
to
to
change
the
behavior
from
putting
all
this
excess
debris
out.
G
Each
week
we
have
looked
at
other
fees,
and
this
is
the
one
that
we
arrived
on
now,
that
can
be
talked
about
right
and
then
adjusted
of
course,
as
this
moves
forward
further
along.
E
Council,
remember
about
also
to
talk
directly
about
garbage.
You
know.
One
of
the
issues
we
have
is,
as
I'm
sure
you
all
get
calls
too
they
miss
my
garbage.
I
miss
my
garbage
as
we've
kind
of
incorporated
the
sls
into
our
operation.
Then
we
now
have
the
ability
to
take
a
picture
and
it
doesn't
happen
all
the
time,
but
there's
a
lot
of
times.
E
I
mean
I've
done
it
myself
forget
to
put
the
can
out
so,
instead
of
calling
and
just
saying
look,
I
forgot
to
put
my
can
out:
is
there
any
way
you
can
come
pick
it
back
up?
You
know
we
get
a
call
saying
you
missed
us,
you
missed
us
so
now
so
now,
if
we
and
we
do
have
a
small
truck
which
I
know
councilmember
wearing
is
we've
helped
them
a
couple
times.
It's
great.
E
E
We
want
to
provide
the
services
that
one
of
the
basic
services
of
government,
but
we
looked
at
those
long
and
hard
and
again,
if
you
know,
depending
on
councils
and
committees,
wish,
if
we
have
to
go
back
and
sharpen
the
pits
on
that,
we
will.
But
we
just
they're
they're,
really
covering
our
basic
cost.
F
Let
me
let
me
follow
up
on
councilman
about
well,
because
when
she
ain't
doing
it,
you
had
your
hand.
Okay,.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
Let's
say
I'm
that
homeowner
that
had
I'm
not,
but
let's
say
I
was
a
homeowner
that
had
all
the
brush
out
front
there
and
I
knew
the
rules
have
changed.
If
I
knew
I
was
going
to
put
a
lot
of
stuff
out
and
probably
have
to
pay
that
250,
can
I
do
it
in
advance?
F
In
other
words,
if
I,
instead
of
our
people
coming
through
and
then
coming
back
doing
it
you're
following
me,
if
I.
E
G
Anything
over
the
the
you
know
the
allowed
amount,
which
is
you
know,
the
15
bags
and
the
two
piles
one
for
brush
and
one
for
bulk.
If
you're
gonna
have
more
than
that,
we
we've
been
working
with
the
citizens
service
desk,
so
they
would
call,
and
then
they
would
request
the
pickup
and
they
could
make
the
payment
then,
if
they
knew
they
were
going
to
have
a
bunch
out.
G
So
that
way,
when
we
got
there,
we'd
we'd
have
a
list
of
people
that
have
you
know
paid
their
fee
or
whatever
that
and
then
we'd
be
able
to
pick
it
up
while
we're
there.
F
Right
yeah,
it
seems
to
get
back
to
councilman
valden
point
shop
in
the
pencil,
but
if,
if
we
picked
it
up
first,
if
we
knew-
and
we
picked
it
up
the
first
time-
it
would
seem
like
be
a
little
bit
cost
effective
on
our
part
as
opposed
to
coming
through
and
then
coming
back
anyway
now
councilman.
B
Chairman,
so
I
understand
what
the
problem
is.
I
I
think
I
understand
what
the
problem
is.
I'm
just
not
sure
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here
and
let
me
explain
what
I
mean
people
have
got
for
whatever
reason
they
trim
limbs
in
the
back
of
their
house
on
the
front
in
their
yard,
somewhere
they're
getting
rid
of
debris
of
some
sort
because
they
cleaned
out
the
garage
of
the
attic
or
they
were
replacing
something.
B
So
this
is.
This
is
not
a
a
sense
of
somebody
going
above
and
beyond
what
they
normally
do.
It's
just
this
is
what's
happening
and
more
people
have
moved
into
the
area
and
our
tonnage
has
increased
over
time
so
by
charging
somebody,
even
if
it's
five
dollars
for
being
over
these,
these
limits,
they
they're
not
doing
this
maliciously.
This
is
not
something
that
they're
outside
of
taking
care
of
and
saying
you
know
I'm
over
a
particular
limit.
It
goes
back
to
what
mr
o'brien
said.
B
This
is
a
service
that
the
city
provides
to
the
community.
This
is
part
of
our
basic
services.
We
pick
up
garbage.
We
pick
up
debris,
that's
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing,
I'm
just
somewhat
perplexed
by
the
concept
that
we've
got
a
limit
on
three
by
three
or
four
by
four.
B
B
E
E
That
has
has
these
situations
where
we
have
these
piles
out
there
for,
for
everyone,
that's
out
there,
there's
probably
two
or
three
houses
where
there's
one
or
two
bags
and
stuff
like
that,
but
the
main
the
main
issue
that
that
matt
and
I
discussed
is
when
you
have
when
you
come
up
on
large
piles
like
this-
is
the
time
our
routes,
you
know,
as
with
the
construction
of
new
family
construction
and
things
go
on
our
routes
get
longer
and
and
the
ability
to
finish
and
provide
the
service.
That's
that's.
E
What
we're
running
up
against
with
our
delays
now
is,
is
because
of
staffing
issues
not
being
able
to
get
all
our
routes
in
a
timely
manner
and
completing
so
the
main
thing
is:
if
we
can,
if
we
can
kind
of
plan
to
see
what
it's
going
to
be
and
and
we've
done
a
lot
of
research
in
a
lot
of
cities,
you
know
not
not
just
ones,
matt
showed,
but
other
ones
locally-
that
that
just
you
have
to
have
some
limit.
E
G
Yeah,
I
do
so
again.
This
is
we're
trying
to
change
the
behavior
right,
we're
not
trying
to
charge
more
by
changing
behavior
and
putting
less
out
it's
going
to
make
it
more
efficient
for
us
to
be
able
to
collect
and
get
to
everybody
each
week.
This
isn't
going
to
affect
a
huge
number
of
people.
You
know,
maybe
five
to
10
percent
of
the
residents
will
be
affected
by
this
because
90
of
them,
don't
don't
put
this
out.
You
know.
G
A
lot
of
the
issue
is
too
landscapers
they're
they're,
taking
advantage
of
it
because
we
can't
police
it
right.
They
they'll
go
out
and
do
work
and
throw
it
on
the
curb
for
us
to
collect
when,
in
reality,
they're
supposed
to
be
removing
that
stuff
from
the
curb,
but
unless
we
actually
catch
them
doing
that,
there's
no
way
for
us
to
police
that.
G
So
this
is
another
way
to
help
help
make
it
more
efficient
and,
and
that
you
know
our
guys
currently
are
working
six
days
a
week
trying
trying
to
get
what
this
stuff
up.
B
So,
mr
chairman,
if
I
just
sort
of
follow
back
up
on
yeah,
and
certainly
I'm
going
to
do
what
I
can
to
support
our
staff,
because
I
know
what
the
problem
is-
and
I
know
how
how
stretched
our
our
staff
is-
and
our
crews
are
on
doing
this-
and-
and
I
hear
what
mr
o'brien
and
matt
are
talking
about
with
how
this
slows
things
down-
and
maybe
it's
just
a
small
percentage
as
they've
told
us,
but
and
and
if,
if
these
are
the
landscapers
who
are
contracted
to
clean
out
someone's
yard
and
do
the
landscaping
work,
it
certainly
is
their
responsibility
to
haul
that
stuff
off.
B
B
Guys
that
I
just
started
propping
my
head
around
it
besides
the
landscaping
folks,
if
I've
got
debris
or
trash,
that's
going
to
have
to
be
removed.
It's
not
like
I'm
trying
to
overload.
I
mean
it
may
be
an
added
burden
to
the
city
and
exactly
what
mr
o'brien
and
mr
altar
are
talking
about.
It
slows
the
collection
process
down
because
you,
instead
of
picking
up
five
bags,
you
pick
picking
up
15..
B
I
understand
that,
but
it's
not
they're
going
to
bring
it
out
either
and
stored
in
their
backyard,
but
it's
going
to
make
it
to
the
curb
either
the
first
collect
the
first
week
or
the
second
week.
G
Understand
yeah:
I
understand
that
the
brush
will
eventually
get
to
the
curb
right,
but
if
we
can
spread
that
out
over
a
period
of
two
or
three
weeks,
it's
going
to
help
us
get
the
routes
done
right,
because
sometimes
we
don't
get
all
the
routes
done.
So
if
we
can
prolong
it
from
one
week
to
three
weeks,
it's
it's
gonna.
G
Allow
us
to
make
sure
the
routes
are
getting
done,
that
we're
making
it
to
every
every
resident's
house
and
getting
their
weekly
collection
and-
and
you
guys
won't
have
to
hear
about
us
being
miscuts
and
and
things.
G
They
don't
know
that
just
for
a
brief,
so
that
475
tons
that
equates
to
about
500
truckloads.
F
Up
well,
look,
let
me
say
this,
mr
hot
tub
and
mr
o'brien.
I
mean
I
understand
that
tonnage.
I
do
agree,
we
got
more
people
and
obviously
we
need
more
staff.
So
if
I'm
the,
if
I'm
the
taxpayer,
let
me
wear
another
hat
for
a
second,
I'm
I'm
one
of
the
new
people
that
moved
here
and
I'm
I'm
contributing
to
the
extra
tonnage.
But
then
I'm
saying
well,
I'm
paying
my
taxes,
just
like
the
people
who've
been
here
30
years,
paying
their
taxes.
F
How
come
we
not
with
more
people
coming
in
paying
more
taxes?
Why
is
it
that
we
don't
have
the
revenue
to
hire
our
people
that
increase
our
staff.
E
Well,
mr
one
one
thing
I'll
say
that
we
find
out
and
matt
matt
can
confirm
this.
Also
people
that
move
into
this
area
are
shocked
the
service
we
provide
for
nothing.
I
mean
the
the
garbage
and
trash
service
I
mean
when
they
find
out,
they
don't
have
to
pay
to
have
stuff,
picked
up
bulk
items
and
an
additional
thing.
They're
shocked.
I
mean
they
can't
believe
this.
We
hear
that
all
the
time.
E
It
is
to
your
point,
though,
you
know,
staffing,
staffing
issues,
amy
and
her
staff
and
our
hr
staff
work
very
hard.
I
can
proudly
say
that
this
week,
thanks
to
that
combination,
working
with
matt
and
I
we
were
able
to
rehire
two
drivers
that
left
the
city
that
are
now
coming
back,
because
we
were
able
to
get
an
increase
for
trash
drivers
which,
which
is
a
tremendous
thing
to
us.
E
But
I
was
I
spent
last
week,
I
was
in
greenville
for
the
state
american
public
works
association
meeting
and,
had
you
know,
sessions
education
sessions
all
day,
but
the
best
time
I
spent
was
almost
two
hours
with
the
solid
waste
managers
for
the
city
of
columbia,
city
of
greenville
and
the
city
in
richland,
county
and
and
all
of
us
discussing
the
same
problems
and
the
staffing
issues
and
just
the
difficulty
in
getting
cdl
drivers,
not
only
in
the
government
industry
but
nationwide.
E
If
you
ride
down
26
today,
you'll
see
two
or
three
billboards
from
trucking
companies,
advertising
for
cdl
drivers
and
we're
working
very
hard,
matt
and
ben
delucci,
our
fleet
manager,
to
work
along
with
rick,
marquis
and
safety
to
do
what
we
can
to
hire
and
train
more
cdl
drivers
to
allow
this
and
we're
trying
to
make
it
easier
on.
Our
staff
and
employees,
because
you
know
we've
gone
to
the
asl's-
I
mean
in
theory.
You
can
now
collect
garbage
and
never
get
out
of
your
truck.
E
I
mean
you
know
you
sit
in
your
truck
all
day
and
the
arm
pulls
and
and
we're
going
as
we
presented
to
you
guys
recently
knuckle
booms
where
we're
going
to
go
to
now.
Instead
of
scowls
and
the
claws
or
and
and
one
thing
that
we've
even
incorporated
with
the
knuckle
booms,
our
current
operational
equipment,
the
driver
has
to
get
out
of
the
knuckle
of
the
truck
go
back
and
mr
wayne
you've
seen
it.
E
Yes
we're
going
where
we're
going
to
incorporate,
where
they
never
even
have
to
leave
the
cab
they're,
getting
a
seat
behind
and
with
windows
and
cameras,
be
able
to
collect
without
getting
that
and
that's
going
to
cut
down
on
workers
comp.
So
it's
a
constant
educational
and
improvement
flow.
We're
doing-
and
I
think
this
this
in
our
trying
to
think
of
what
we
can
do
to
make
sure
that
we
serve
all
our
citizens
with
that
basic
service
and
and
right
now
we're
doing
the
best
we
can
and
we've
sat.
F
E
Maybe
that's
an
option
we
want
to
think
about.
Is
we
say?
Okay,
you
get
one
or
two
times
a
year
where
you
can
schedule
a
pickup
even
up
to
a
certain
amount,
not
not
nothing
where
you
know
you
could
line
the
street
like
we
saw
with
you
20
or
30
bags,
but
with
something
we
could
come
up
with
some
thoughts
on
that.
D
B
And
I
want
to
pick
up
what
something
that
mr
o'brien
said,
mr
chairman,
for
our
our
consideration.
You
know
part
of
our
city's
responsibility.
Is
this
type
of
basic
service?
So
when
someone
rolls
out
that
green,
can
they
expect
that
greek
hand
garbage
to
be
to
be
picked
up,
but
the
other
part
of
this
I
think
and
guys
this
is
so
going
to
be
a
philosophical
discussion.
B
Not
that
we're
trying
to
be
a
for-profit
organization,
but
we
it
is
a
burden
when
we
go
pick
up
these
the
yarn
debris
and
these
refrigerators
and
things
of
that
nature
is
that
something
worthwhile
to
to
discuss
to
redefine
what
we're
providing
as
as
basic
service,
I
mean
I
I
hear
what
y'all
are
saying
and
and
I'm
not,
and
I'm
I'm
going
to
be
as
supportive
as
I
can,
with
the
work
that
y'all
have
got
to
do
and
the
burden
that
this
loses
on
y'all,
because
you'll
do
such
a
terrific
job
and
y'all
do
respond
to
our
citizen
complaints
about
all
this
stuff
and
we've
got
to
fix
it.
B
We've
got
to
address
it
and
we
got
to
fix
it
somehow,
but
this
is
a
good
discussion
to
have
about
where
we
are
with
all
of
this,
so
I
just
thrown
that
out
there
for,
for
something
for
consideration.
Mr
chairman
has
to
is
this
something
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
ourselves
as
a
city
on?
B
We
can
now
consider
the
basic
services
and
then
do
we
redefine
this
as
something
as
additional
services.
That's
not
part
of
our
basic
responsibility.
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question.
I
really
don't,
but
mr
o'brien
kind
of
kind
of
triggered
that
with
his
comments,
that's
where
this
this
may
end
up.
F
Yeah
one
of
the
reasons
I
brought
the
discussion
about
taxes
and
all
that
briefly-
and
this
is
a
larger
discussion-
I
wonder-
on
the
other
side
of
colvin-
if,
if
the
city
actually
has
a
structural
funding
problem,
because
the
world
has
changed
in
particular,
paying
cdl
drivers
paying
people
in
these
positions.
F
Frankly,
I
think
they're
they're
underpaid
for
for
years
for
decades,
but
on
the
other
side
of
covet
the
world
is
changing.
These
people
have
other
options
to
go
to
and
our
grading
schedule
and
our
the
way
we
receive
revenues
from
the
city.
I
think
we
need
to
relook.
We
need
to
look
at
our
funding
formula
for
this
city.
All
over
again,
you
got
property
taxes
for
that,
basically,
police
and
fire.
F
E
Right
before
matt
starts,
but
I
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
think
some
of
the
items
that
you
and
councilman
shade
have
mentioned
in
and
if,
if
we
want
to
somehow
have
I
don't
know
whether
to
be
a
workshop
for
a
public,
you
know
for
public
works
utilities,
please
item
or
something
anything
you
all
would
like
to
we'll
be
glad
to
set
up
and
facilitate
and
just
have
these
discussions.
So
just
let
us
know
what
your
desires
are
and
we'll
be
glad
to
work
with
you
all
on
that.
Well,.
F
Thank
you
for
that
and
I'll
tell
you
what,
because
in
the
workshop
like
that,
I
think
in
particular
some
of
the
key
points
you
shared
or
you
learned
with.
You
know
the
people
from
richland
city,
columbia,
richland
and
at
the
workshop
you
attended,
I
think,
would
be
helpful.
Yes,
sir,
because
everybody's
searching
for
answers
absolutely
and
we'll
turn
it
back
over
to
matt.
I
see
miss
councilman,
bowden,
saying
you
know:
councilman
val.
C
I
just
you
know,
while
we're,
while
we're
sort
of
on
on
the
wish
list,
two
things
that
were
said
that
I
would
really
like
to
see
going
forward
would
be
something
like
you
know,
kind
of
a
kind
of
a
grace
where,
if
you
tell
us
beforehand
either
you
pay
a
lower
fee
or
we
do
it
for
free
once
or
twice
a
year.
C
C
Paying
firefighters
more
and
that
sort
of
stuff-
and
you
know
I
got
a
bunch
of
emails
back-
not
totally
surprisingly
saying
look,
you
know
we're
going
into
a
recession
in
this
time
of
inflation.
You
know
we're
already
getting
hit
on
our
personal
budgets
here
and
here.
If
the
city
starts
charging
more,
you
know,
that's
just
gonna.
It's
gonna
inflict
more
pain
essentially
and.
B
C
C
It
I
think
it
makes
perfectly
good
sense.
I
think
we
just
need
to
try
to
make
sure
we're
seeing
it
from
you
know
an
individual's
perspective
as
well.
F
Good
points
now
back
to
mr
alta.
G
Okay
thanks
so
I'll
get
going
again.
So
just
one
thing
that
you
guys
brought
up
right
was
your
basic
service
right,
so
on
garbage
we
have
a
limit
of
three
garbage
cans
right.
Everything
must
be
in
the
garbage
can
to
be
collected,
but
on
trash
there
is
nothing
right
they
can
put
out
whatever.
So
I
guess
that's
our
our
objective
is
trying
to
set
that
limit
right
as
we
do
on
on
garbage.
So
what
does
that
limit?
Look
like
right.
G
So
these
this
is
the
numbers
that
we
came
up
for
and
and
now,
if,
if
we
need
to
adjust
those
with
the
fees
or
whatever
I
mean,
we
are
able
to
do
that,
but
so
basically
it's
setting
the
level
here's.
What
we're
going
to
well,
here's
what
you
can
do
and
then
we
can
go
from
there
kind
of
like
the
way
garbage
works.
G
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
sense
a
little
bit
so
commercial.
As
you
know,
we've
had
some
issues
down
there
in
our
cbd
as
well
right
with
commercial
collection.
So
we
we
have
just
a
few
changes
we'd
like
to
make
on
commercial.
G
Those
key
changes
would
be
that
the
res
or
the
the
businesses
can
only
use
the
city
of
charleston
issued
garbage
cards
right
now,
they're
using
round
carts
that
don't
have
the
lifting
bar.
So
our
our
crews
have
to
pick
those
garbage
cans
up
and
dump
them
manually,
which
is
definitely
increasing
the
chance
of
of
our
employees
getting
hurt
and
some
of
them
things
are
really
heavy
with
the
glass
bottles
and
different
things
in
them.
G
So
that's
one
of
the
changes
we'd
like
to
make,
but
we'd
also
like
to
start
collection
at
2
30
a.m,
and
have
them
have
the
garbage
cans
out
by
10
p.m?
No,
no
earlier
than
10
p.m.
So
this
will
ensure
a
couple
things.
This
will
allow
us
to
get
all
the
businesses
picked
up
before
the
street.
G
Sweeper
comes
through
so
that,
if,
if
the
garbage
truck
does
make
a
mess
or
spill
something,
the
sweeper
can
clean
it
up,
and
this
will
allow
us
to
get
the
containers
off
of
the
street
earlier
in
the
day
so
that
when
our
tourists
start
really
coming
out,
the
garbage
cans
will
already
be
gone.
G
So
they
are,
they
can
have
them
out
the
day
before.
I
think
it's
like
I
want
to
say.
11
o'clock
is
what
it
is
now,
but
they
can
leave
it
out
till
11
a.m,
right
so
11
a.m
on
on
a
weekend
is
right.
Prime
tourist
area
everybody's
out
going
to
breakfast
starting
shopping
and
things
so
they're
out
there
they're
in
the
way
they're
on
the
sidewalks.
So
our
goal
is
to
to
get
them
off
of
the
curb
earlier
in
the
morning,
so
that
way
that
the
sidewalks
aren't
blocked.
F
Let
me
ask
a
question
you
know
so
this
is
like
in
the
king
street
entertainment.
F
C
F
D
F
Just
so
that's
not
been
a
problem
in
the
past,
I'm
asking
so.
G
No,
it
hasn't
so
so.
Our
main
issue
is
that
the
the
the
sweeper
comes
through
before
the
garbage
truck
finishes,
because
right
now
we
do
two
runs
right.
They
come
in,
they
do
the
first
run
and
then
they
they
take
a
break,
and
then
they
start
their
second
run
at
nine.
Our
goal
is
to
eliminate
a
second
run
and
do
everything
at
the
first.
It
makes.
F
G
And
then
have
the
sweeper
come
through
and
clean
up,
because
you
know
some
of
that
beer
and
waste
will
spill
out
on
the
road
and
it
smells
so.
We
would
like
to
make
sure
that
that
gets
cleaned
up
before
all
the
tourists
and
everything
get
down
there.
Good,
okay
and
then
it's
that's
the
same
as
a
250
fee.
If
you
don't
have
your
garbage
cart
out
and
you
want
to
come
back
in
and
and
pick
it
up,
those
are
the
key
changes
there.
G
Yes,
and
we
have
had
a
meeting
with
some
of
the
people
on
the
cbd-
I
think
her
name
was
helen
hill
and
she
she's
councilman
c
kings.
Also,
you
know
brought
this
up
as
well,
so
he'd
be
able
to
speak
towards
this
as
well,
and
they
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
a
problem.
G
G
B
G
B
G
G
And
then
here's
some
of
the
educational
stuff
that
we're
planning
on
doing
some
mailers
for
both
residential
commercial
bulk
trash,
we're
planning
on
putting
little
qr
stickers
on
the
garbage
carts
that
when
they
scan
them
that
take
them
to
the
new
website.
With
the
changes
already
on
it,
newspaper
ads
social
media
posts,
press
release,
we've
been
working
with
bns
to
contact
all
the
hoas.
F
I
tell
you
what
you
know
recently,
the
county.
You
know
changed
the
days
pick
up
recycling.
I
thought
they
did
a
real
good
job.
Getting
the
word
out.
Yep.
F
If
you
go
back,
go
back
to
the
four
by
four
by
four,
you
know
when
you
explain
it
to
us,
I
mean
just
maybe
adjust
some
of
the
verbiages.
You
say
that's
about
the
size
of
the
oven.
Yes,
so
you
make
that
you
gotta
prevent
the
equivalent
to
one
unit
of
bulk
waste.
You
might
do
better
putting
that
about
the
size
of
an
oven.
Okay,.
G
G
You
can
do
that
and
then
these
these
are
the
notice
to
the
property
managers
if
they
have
to
get
dumpsters
and
things
and
then
the
last
one
there
is
just
you
know
how
we
would
like
you
to
place
the
the
items
out
for
collection.
You
know
three
feet
in
between
objects,
so
our
crews
can
get
in
there
and
get
to
stuff
safety
right
safely
and
things,
and
then
questions.
F
We
got
we
kind
of
hit
you
up
on
the
way
through
this,
but
anyway,
any
any
final
questions.
On
behalf
of
mission
members.
B
E
I
agree,
mr
warren.
I
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
contact
you
and
matt
and
I'll
talk
and
kind
of
get
your
schedule
and
how
you
how
you
do,
and
I
mean
I
think
it
may
be
helpful.
We
opened
it
up
to
all
council
members
so
well,
I
agree
nice
to
have
it
that
and
just
then
we'll
get
and
see
if
we
can
schedule
so
I'll.
Give
you
a
call
first
of
the
week
we
can
talk
about
some
some
thoughts.
F
F
Sure
item
h1
forest
acres,
drainage
project,
big
number-
here-
almost
11
million
mr
fountain
thank.
A
You,
mr
chairman,
so
imh1
forced
acres.
This
is
recommendation
of
approval
for
construction
contract
for
forest
acres,
drainage
project,
both
phase
2a
and
2b
as
a
single
contract
to
phase
2
contract
with
gulfstream
construction,
the
amount
of
10
million
967
thousand
819.66
cents.
This
project
funding
would
be
through
the
2012
stormwater
bond,
the
local
option,
permit
funds
and
the
drainage
fund-
and
this
is
this-
is
the
first
project
that
we've
seen
basically
where
we
did
have.
F
Thank
you,
ms
wharton
and
mr
fountain
yeah.
A
F
Questions
on
this
one
from
committee
members:
this
is
a
long
time
coming.
Let
me
tell
you
I,
when
I
first,
my
first
meeting
on
council
was
january
of
2012
and
I
voted
for
the
2012
bond.
I
think
it
was
in
february
of
2012.
F
10
years
you
know
it
was
so
the
community
I
worked
on
it
so
hard
until
I
asked
my
father
to
come
back
and
some
community
members,
because
I
got
to
vote
on
it,
but
the
truthful
part
about
it.
People
had
done
years
and
years
of
work
to
bring
it
to
four.
So
I
guess,
as
a
council
person,
I
was
getting
credit
for
voting
for
work.
Other
people
had
done
so
so,
mr
fellow,
I
can't
tell
how
happy
I
am
to
see
this
because
in
some
people's
cases
water
are
threatening
going
into
the
home.
F
So
it's
one
thing
to
be
coming
up
into
the
yard,
but
people
have
to
get
sandbags
and
stuff
for
certain
rain
bomb
events.
This
is
going
to
be
a
big
fix
for
many
over
there.
Mr
funny-
and
we
can
talk
about
this
outside
the
meeting
once
we
vote
for
this,
there
was
a
anyway
a
hope
or
a
desire
on
a
community
center
that
part
of
this
is
coming
through.
Maybe
they
can
be
used
potentially
as
a
lay
down
area
when
this
work
is
going.
F
F
Second,
all
in
favor,
please
say
hi
hi
any
opposed.
Thank
you,
mr
fountain,
and
miss
miss.
What
because
I
think
this
thing
started
out
at
about
seven,
not
quite
eight
million
dollar
project.
You
see
the
inflation.
I
still
think,
though,
att
should
have
paid
some
of
this
because
they
delayed
this
project.
So
I
don't
know
how
many
years
before
you
even
came
mr
founder
actually,
mayor
raleigh
was
there
when
we
had
the
first
meeting
with
att
to
move
that
trunk
line
and
it
took
them
how
many
years
I
think
they
eventually
didn't.
F
Even
they
didn't
eventually
didn't
when,
and
this
should
be
a
lesson
in
the
future
when
another
utility
causes
the
delay.
When
we
have
the
money
and
ready
to
go,
I
think
just
like
the
highway
department,
councilman
shead
said.
Okay,
if
you
want
to
do
improvement
in
the
right
of
way,
you
can
do
it,
but
you're
gonna
pick
up
the
maintenance
from
then
on.
I
actually
think
that
other
utilities
should
contribute
to
the
rising
cost
due
to
their
delay.
F
So
maybe
that's
another
question
for
legal,
but
that's
not
right.
It
goes
from
7
million
to
11
million
and
it
wasn't
all
our
fault
for
a
long
time,
but
all
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say
aye
aye
any
appointment,
but
I
think
we
already
did
this,
but
I
think
for
the
younger
people
on
council
when
something
like
this
happens
in
your
district
councilman
councilmember
pal
and
another
utility
delays,
a
drainage
project
out
in
church
creek,
or
something
like
that.
F
I
think
we
sat
by
and
and
stayed
too
quiet
about
it,
and
it
was
a
10
million
dollar
project
calling
the
att
to
move
that
line
and
they
held
on
to
that
money
for
years
until
they
eventually
made
the
expense,
but
it
drove
up
our
costs
so
that
coordination
in
the
future
I
mean
the
inflationary
cost
of
public
works
is
just
too
hard
to.
Let
other
people
drive
up
our
costs
like
that.
Anyway,
I'm
off
that
perch
item
h2
spring
fish
burn
phase.
Four
amendment
number
23,
mr
fountain,.
A
A
This
will
extend
the
duration
of
our
construction
engineering
inspection
work
to
match
the
expected
final
completion
date
of
our
project.
It's
about
90
days
of
extension,
on
what
is
a
originally
a
1255
day,
construction
contract
just
for
paying
for
perspective
those
those
delays
are
due
primarily
to
weather,
but
there
were
some
minor
delays
for
some
of
the
covenant
logistics
issues
we've
been
having
more
lately.
A
This
cost
is
being
offset
to
some
extent
by
there
was
a
what's
called
a
no
excuse,
completion
bonus
in
the
contract
if
the
contractor
is
able
to
finish
early
basically
that
that
amount
could
have
is
worth
up
to
600
thousand
dollars
a
contractor.
Obviously,
at
this
point,
because
it's
no
excuse
weather
days
other
impacts
prevent
you
from
receiving
that
bonus.
So
there
won't
be
that
expenditure
of
the
six
hundred
thousand
dollar
early
completion
bonus.
A
We
also
have
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
left
on
the
phase.
Three
cei
contract
will
be
closing
out
and
that
will
be
cost
savings
back
into
the
project,
and
then
there
are
additional
funds
in
this
work
also
to
set
up
an
operations
and
maintenance
system
for
the
pump
station
or
the
mechanical
and
control
systems
that
we're
installing
and
then
also
support
on
procurement
for
basically
bringing
the
pump
station
online
and
the
city
having
a
maintenance
contractor
to
help
with
basically
keeping
these
stations
up
moving
forward.
F
This
found
I
want
to
thank
you
and
your
team,
and
this
water
and
her
team
keep
up
with
these
cost
savings.
There's
no
way
we
could
keep
up
with
that
the
length
of
these
contracts
and
even
know
that
we
were
due
a
cost
savings.
Keeping
up
with
the
details
like
that.
Thank
you
so
much
entertain
a
motion
to
carry
this
forward
so
move
properly
move.
Then
we
have
a
second
second,
probably
move
a
second
any
more
discussion.
A
So
there's
there's
two
there's
two
phases
here,
mr
chairman
phase,
four,
which
is
the
the
wet
well
and
the
outfall
that
we'll
have
the
potential
tour
for
actually
next
next
friday,
if
anyone's
available,
I
think
we
did
send
out
the
invite
for
that.
That
phase
will
be
completed
substantially
by
october,
which
means
where
it's
basically
a
functional
system.
There
will
be
some
final
completion
items
that
will
extend
for
another
month
or
two
past
that
but
substantial
completion,
which
is
the
contractual
term
we
use
for
when
it's
functional
this
october.
A
A
But
we
will
have
gravity
flow
where
the
pump
station
or
the
the
existing
box
culverts
will
still
provide
basically
the
improvement
of
much
much
larger
pipes
flowing
by
gravity
when
we
hit
substantial
completion
on
this
project
at
the
end
of
this
year
october
october
of
this
year.
Ideally
so
there
will
be
improvements
to
flooding
starting
in
october
and
then
more
significant
improvements,
especially
during
extreme
tides
or
extreme
events
by
the
end
of
2024..
A
F
Great
all
in
favor
to
motion,
please
say:
hi
hi
hi
any
opposed.
Thank
you,
mr
fountain.
We
already
did
h3
so
this
ordinance
miscellaneous
business,
91
puget
street
who's
gonna.
Well,
the
lawyer
is
going
to
touch
approach
this
one
for
us.
H
Thank
you,
sir,
got
a
couple
of
slides
and
I
should
point
out.
I
have
a
number
of
folks
here
on
the
call
as
well
to
fill
in
any
gaps.
I
miss
or
clear
up
anything
that
I
might
get
wrong.
So
what
we
have
before
you
is
a
proposal
for,
for
the
committee's
consideration
to
create
a
non-standard
service
fund
district
for
the
james
l,
lewis,
development.
H
There
we
go
just
to
provide
you
a
little
bit
of
background,
grace
holmes
development
when
that
one,
when
that
moon
was
developed,
the
overhead
lines
were
moved
from
one
side
of
the
street
to
the
other,
which
actually
delayed
undergrounding
for
this
for
this
area.
So
at
this
time
the
city
actually
put
aside
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
the
tiff
to
actually
go
towards
undergrounding
in
this
area.
H
So
a
little
bit
just
about
the
james
lewis,
development
ui
will
probably
aware
this
just
but
just
to
share
just
in
case
it
is
a
an
affordable
housing
development.
It's
located
at
91
hanover
street.
There
are
64
units
that
are
at
60
ami
as
part
of
this
project
and
as
you've
heard
on
other
presentations
today,
and
you
all
are
extremely
aware
of
costs
are
just
increasing
and
this
impacts.
Everything
undergrounding
is
not
immune
from
that,
and
so
this
has
significantly
increased
the
cost
of
undergrounding.
H
So
you
can
see
the
total
cost
there
in
orange.
I'll
show
you
some
diagrams
here
in
just
a
moment,
but
the
developer
is
covering
approximately
433
000.
The
city
already
has
that
500
000
dedicated
from
the
tiff
and
so
there's
an
outstanding
balance
of
239
thousand
dollars
to
kind
of
make
this
project
whole,
if
you
will
just
really
quickly.
Where
is
where?
Is
this
project
located?
H
H
So
this
is
a
brief,
or
you
know,
kind
of
a
diagram
of
what's
involved
for
undergrounding.
This
project
kind
of
those
areas
in
green
are
what's
what
will
be
covered
essentially
by
oh
and
yellow,
I
think,
are
what
are
being
covered
by
on
the
developer
and
so
what's
what's
in
orange,
is
kind
of
making
those
connections
that
we
would
use
the
non-standard
service
fund
for
as
well
as
the
500
000.
H
That's
already
been
allocated
to
to
help
for
undergrounding
for
this,
for
this
area
so
kind
of
how
do
we
bridge
that
gap
again?
That
gap
today
is
approximately
239
thousand
dollars
and
so
for
your
consideration,
create
a
non-standard
service
fund
district
for
the
development
and
then,
if
you
all
approve
that
district,
we
would
come
back
to
you
in
july.
H
Come
back
to
public
works
and
then
to
ways
and
means
to
get
the
construction
approval
again.
That
should
be
approximately
239
000.
What
the
non-standard
service
fund
does.
It
means
that
the
city
and
dominion
will
split
that
cost.
50
50.
kind
of
unique
scenario
for
this
particular
situation
is
that
the
design
and
engineering
has
already
been
completed,
which
typically
cover
it
gets
covered
under
the
non-standard
service
fund.
But
that's
already
been
done
in
this
instance,
so
we
anticipate
the
cost
to
be
very,
very
close
to
that.
H
239
thousand
dollars-
and
I
should
point
out
joe
apple-
is
actually
available
on
this
call
from
dominion
as
well
as
jay,
who
is
part
of
the
development
team
as
well
as
giana
and,
of
course,
amy
and
julia
are
here
as
well
to
try
to
help
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
might
have.
F
Well,
let
me
start
up
the
first
ask
a
question:
once
this
development
is
completed,
will
this
non-standard
service
fund
go
away?
What
would
be
the
function,
then,
in
the
aftermath.
H
I
believe
I
think
that,
once
the
projects
are
completed,
then
they
fall.
They
kind
of
fall
off.
That's
right
once
they're,
once
they're,
completed
and
paid
for
just
like
the
districts
on
like
orange
street
is
a
non-standard
service
fund
district
that
was
created
under
the
previous
ordinance,
but
I
don't
believe
that
still
we
still
have
the
history
of
it
because
it
was
all
done
via
ordinance,
but
I
don't
believe
that's
a
remaining
district
any
longer
and
I
believe
that
these
would
be
similar.
Hopefully,
maybe
julia
can
answer
that
more
appropriately.
D
How
did
you
do
tracy
tracy
described
that
beautifully?
I
think
the
the
fund
is
for
the
development
and
installation
of
the
project
and
then
once
it's
done,
it's
done
it's
off
the
list.
Okay,.
F
Good
sounds
good
to
me.
I
mean
for
approval.
Mr
chairman
probably
moved
in
a
second
time
to
get
these
seconds
all
in
favor,
any
more
discussion
hearing
that
all
the
people
please
say,
aye
aye,
any
of
any
opposed
guys
have
it.
That's
it
listen.
I
hope
everybody
has
a
great
juneteenth
and
long
weekend
and
looking
forward
to
seeing
all
y'all
on
tuesday.
E
Right,
thank
you,
mr
miss
wang.
I
would
like
to
thank
I'd
like
to
thank
committee
for
taking
your
time.
On
friday,
we
had
a
lot
of
important
stuff
matt
and
I,
and
you
know,
being
the
summer,
have
been
tough
to
have
to
wait
a
while.
So
we
appreciate
your
indulgence
to
get
through,
so
we
can
have
this
meeting.
Thank
you.
F
So
we
just
gotta
find
a
way
to
fund
it
all
and
there's
a
way
out
there.
We
just
gotta
find
all
right.
Mr
fountain,
I
I'm
gonna,
have
to
call
you
outside
the
meeting
on
two
small
issues,
but
anyway
listen
again.