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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 9/13/2021
B
C
Thank
you,
councilmember
waring
and
as
a
not
a
personal
privilege.
When
we
started
off
the
public
committee
meeting,
we
talked
about
9
11
and
which
we
sell
commemorated,
not
celebrated.
We
commemorated
the
20th
anniversary
of
that
very
fateful
day
and
I
shared
with
folks
that
a
lot
of
the
commentary
and
events
that
occurred
over
the
weekend
pointed
out
not
what
happened
so
much
on
the
11th
of
september.
C
But
it
also
pointed
out
what
happened
on
the
12th
of
september
and
we
have
been
moving
forward
since
the
12th
of
september
onward,
with
how
this
country
has
responded
to
those
acts
of
cowardness
and
terrorism
for
the
lives
lost
and
the
343
members
of
the
new
york
fire
department
that
parish
saving
other
people's
lives.
It's
a
testament
to
the
human
spirit.
B
D
Time,
e1
jimin
wearing
chip
mcqueen
is
going
to
handle.
Those
he's
been
working
very
hard
with
us
on
those
I'm
going
to.
Let
him
go
ahead
and
describe
those
to
us.
E
You're
up,
yes,
sir:
I'm
going
to
pull
up
the
plaits
because
they're
a
little
bit
tough
to
read
online.
Sometimes
let
me
share
my
screen
and
excuse
me,
the
the
ones
that
are
in
your
package
are
sometimes
tough
to
read
the
first
one
is
we're
going
through
the
dedication
process.
Now
I'm
trying
to
streamline
it
a
little
bit,
so
we
can
get
the
deeds
and
easements
recorded
as
soon
as
possible
after
that's
recorded.
E
So
we
do
have
a
few
things
to
take
care
of
with
dedication,
and
that's
why
I
put
it
subject
to
approval
of
the
final
dedication
package,
but
the
plat
shows
west
edge
street
here.
This
would
be
lockwood
and
spring
would
be
down
here.
The
district
drive
and,
oh,
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
this-
one,
no
horizon
street.
So
those
are
the
rights
of
way
we're
being
asked
to
accept
and
then
there's
a.
I
can
see
it.
E
The
drainage
easements
run
across
separate
properties
lying
right
here
and
those
are
the
to
serve
the
roads.
We
accept
those
as
well
the
dedication
from
the
medical
university
of
south
carolina
for
the
roads
they
own
all
the
roads.
E
E
Top
on
it,
a
cap
on
it
and
the
city
used
to
own
it,
so
you
can't
really
there's
not
very
good
protection
from
circle
under
circle
or
other
environmental
laws.
The
developer
has
capped
it
and
they're
transferring
titles
subject
to
the
restrictive
covenants
imposed
by
the
department
of
health
and
environment
middle
control
that
are
typically
required.
E
E
After
those
restrictions
are
put
on
the
property,
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
about
that.
One.
That's
the
only
one!
That's
really
got
a
lot
of
intricacies
to
it.
The
second
subdivision
flat
is
crossing
verdier.
This
is
used
to
be
called
the
henry
kuznet
tract
here,
but
this
is
the.
Can
you
all
see
the
new
flat
that
I
pulled
up?
Yes,
you
can
see
the
former
site
was
owned
by
henry
kuznick
along
b's
ferry
road,
and
this
is
sort
of
that
little
corner
up
here.
E
It's
a
subdivision
and
we're
being
asked
to
accept
the
roads
and
drainage
easements
therein,
again
normal
flat
approval
process
would
be
followed
I'll
move
on.
Unless
anybody
has
questions.
E
E
That's
part
of
the
storm
water
drainage
improvement
project
happening
in
there.
I
don't
know
if
matt
fountain's
on
the
line,
but
he
can
explain
anybody
needs
details
about
what
that
accomplishes.
I
would
ask
him
I
usually
just
do
the
paperwork
and
and
tell
him
what
I
don't
ask
him
why
he
wants
seasons.
I
just
do
the
paperwork
for
the
eastmans.
E
The
fifth
item
on
your
agenda
is
another
30-foot
drainage
easement.
This
is
in
it's
called
the
wildwood
townhomes
it's
in
what
was
used
to
be
called
dupont
subdivision,
I'm
not
sure
what
it's
called
now,
but
this
is
dunbar
street
the
bike.
This
is
where
the
green
west,
ashley
greenway,
owned
by
cpw
and
leased
to
the
city
and
the
bike
path
owned
by
the
city
meet
the
drainage.
Easement
is
down
here.
E
This
is
another,
I
believe,
drainage
improvement
project.
I
don't
think
it's
related
to
the
development.
This
is
the
old
bowling
alley
here,
but
if
anybody
has
questions
about
any
of
these,
I'm
happy
to
answer.
B
All
right,
I
think
this
I
think,
councilman
appel
can
almost
explain
items
three
and
four
himself
he's
a
pretty
good
tutelage
on
those
easements
which
were
highly
sought
after
I
saw
mr
mayhar
on
the
line,
I
suspect
all
that
is
gonna
pass
unanimously.
Are
you
having
anything
you'd
like
to
contribute
all
right?
Great
cheer,
entertain
emotional
needs.
B
You,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
item
f,
mr
o'brien,
any
temporary
encroachments
that
stick
out
like
a
sore
thumb
that
we
should
know
about
no.
D
Sir,
basically,
we
got
mainly
encroachments
for
irrigation,
fencing
and
a
couple
of
italians
catch
spaces,
but
all
of
them
have
been
inspected
and
recommended
for
approval
when
we
receive
those
y'all
for
information.
B
Thank
you
so
much
item
g1
amendment
to
the
building,
inspection
division,
third
party
inspection
program
policy
and
who's
going
to
address
that
mr
mayor.
F
I
had
a
question
on
the
temporary
encroachment
tom.
There
were
two
of
these.
I
I
don't
see
very
often
number.
The
first
one
attend
limehouse
street
was
a
installation
of
a
drainage
pipe
below
a
sidewalk,
and
then
number
12
32
council
street
was
installation
of
the
storm
water
system
into
a
catch
basin.
I
just
find
it
curious
that
we
say
both
of
these
encroachments
are
temporary.
They
sound
kind
of
permanent
to
me,
but
maybe
that's
just
the
nomenclature,
but
do
you?
Do
you
mind
just
kind
of.
D
Yes,
sir,
both
of
these
are
situations
where,
where
the
house,
both
those
houses
in
question,
they've,
had
drainage
and
sometimes
it's
been
drainage-
that's
come
across
the
sidewalk
as
a
sheet
flow,
but
they're
trying
to
tie
in
a
lot
of
those
deals
with
wet
grounds
and
properties.
So
what
they're
trying
to
do
is
catch
it
in
a
catch
space
on
their
property
and
thank
goodbye.
D
Distributed,
I'm
sorry,
but
they
go
into
the
back
of
our
catch
spacings
and
and
what
we
do
is
we
always
try
and
check
with
stormwater,
with
matt
skies
with
kendrick
and
everybody
just
to
make
sure
that,
first
of
all,
the
volume
of
water
they're,
adding
the
catch
spaces
can
hold
them
with
standard.
So
it's
it's
it's
kind
of
rare
like
to
say,
but
we
do
have
these
come
up
on
occasion.
D
F
So,
basically,
we're
letting
a
private
property
owner
just
tie
more
directly
into
the
drain
system,
as
opposed
to
going
out
on
the
street.
F
And,
and
could
I
ask
matt
fountain
generally
speaking,
is
is
does
that
help
improve
drainage
or
make
a
difference
or
just
for
that
one
property
owner
or.
G
F
B
No
problem,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Moving
on
to.
D
That's
gonna
be
sterling
and
ken
granada
and
gary
pope
from
our
building
division
here,
but
I
think
sterling's
gonna
take
the
lead
to
explain
what
we're
trying
to
do
all.
A
Thank
you
good
afternoon.
Everyone
we
received
this
request
from
the
city's
building
inspections
division
to
make
some
changes
to
the
existing
third-party
inspection
program.
That
was
first
adopted
back
in
2015..
A
The
third
party
inspection
companies
generally
get
paid
around
like
a
thousand
dollars
for
an
inspection
job,
but
the
bond
cost
is
about
750
dollars.
So
we've
had
a
lot
of
feedback
from
these
third-party
inspection
companies
who
have
requested
that
the
city
consider
waiving
or
removing
this
bonding
requirement
that
we
had
in
the
policy.
A
From
legals
perspective,
we
feel
like
we
have
adequate
liability
coverage
for
both
the
city
and
the
homeowner
through
the
insurance
requirements
that
we
require
in
a
different
section
of
the
policy,
we
actually
require
general
liability,
insurance
coverage
and
the
amount
of
a
million
dollars
with
the
city
being
named
as
an
additional
insured,
and
then
we
also
require
professional
errors
and
admissions
coverage
in
the
amount
of
1
million
dollars.
A
We
did
do
a
lot
of
due
diligence
on
this.
I
know
ken
granada
has
been
working
with
some
of
the
third
party
inspection
companies
to
sort
of
get
a
survey
of
the
companies,
the
requirements
that
other
municipalities
have.
You
know
what
requirements
that
these
companies
are
used
to
as
far
as
insurance
versus
funding
and
so
far
you
know.
All
of
the
information
that
we've
received
back
is
that
none
of
the
other
municipalities
have
been
requiring
bonds.
A
It's
only
the
insurance
requirement
and
that
they
usually
you
know,
always
include
the
city
as
an
additional
insured.
So
we
do
feel
that
this
change
will
be
beneficial
to
the
city
and
the
building
department,
because
we
can
really
start
utilizing
the
third
party
inspection
program
and
really
get
it
off
the
ground.
If
we
can
remove
that
bonding
requirement.
A
You
know
our
current
policy
requires
the
bond
to
go
for
a
year
and,
like
I
said,
it's
just
cost
prohibitive.
You
know
if,
for
some
reason,
the
third
party
inspector
couldn't
perform
the
job
on
that
given
day
the
city's
own
staff.
Inspectors
could
always
jump
in
and
finish
the
job,
so
we're
not
as
worried
about
the
performance
insurance.
We're
just
worried
about
the
liability
insurance,
which
is
what
we
have
already
under
the
policy
and
then
I'll.
Add
one
more
change.
A
That
they're
requesting
is
that
we
allow
the
third
party
inspectors
to
conduct
the
foundation
inspections
that
is
permitted
under
the
south
carolina
building
code.
But
under
our
policy
we
required
that
to
be
city
staff
only,
but
I
believe
that
the
foundation
inspections
requires
a
lot
of
work
and
it
sounds
like
it's
something
that
could
really
help
the
staff
out.
A
If
we
could
let
some
of
the
third
party
inspectors
do
those
jobs,
as
well
as
the
other
types
of
inspections
that
they're
currently
allowed
to
do
and
I'll
defer
to
ken
if
he
has
any
corrections
or
additions.
B
Mr
granada,
any
input.
H
You
thank
you
sterling
appreciate
the
synopsis
yeah,
just
just
to
reiterate,
as
sterling
mentioned,
when
we
first
came
to
you
all
back
in
2015
to
launch
the
program
just
like.
Today
we
had
an
array
of
projects,
commercial
buildings
or
large
tract
development,
home
projects
that
were
time
consuming
either
for
us
to
go
out
and
do
in
volume
or
scale
or
as
sterling
mentioned,
with
the
foundations
into
themselves.
These
type
of
projects
move
very
rapidly.
H
B
H
In
the
morning,
late
at
night
weekends
daily
on
some
of
these,
and
it
can
be
a
challenge
for
us
to
to
keep
up
with
their
requests.
H
So
we
I
think
we
do
a
pretty
good
job
so
with
in
the
surety
bond
piece
really
has
been
a
roadblock
for
for
anybody,
whether
it
be
a
single
family,
because
it's
per
building
by
the
way
so
for
single
family,
it
was
quite
just
it
was
cost
prohibitive
for
them
to
do
that
and
on
large
projects,
maybe
not
as
much
but
but
the
time
piece
the
year
after
the
completion
of
the
project
was
another
piece
no
one
wanted
to
take
on.
And
lastly,
I'll
just
say
this
whole
program.
H
Third
party
inspection
program
is
by
request.
It
is
not
a
a
by
by
right;
they
have
to
come
to
the
chief
building
official
and
request
it,
and
I
review
and
consider
the
project
in
our
work
schedule
and
our
workloads
and
project
itself
and
before
I
we
approve
it.
So
this
isn't
something
that
they
can
just
take
on
and
do
and
circumvent
us.
H
And
lastly,
I'll
say
all
these
inspectors
are
certified,
as
our
inspectors
are
certified
through
the
state,
so
I'm
comfortable
and
confident
and
we
get
to
review
all
of
those
inspection
inspector
resumes
as
well
before
they
go
on
to
the
project
for
our
comfort
level.
B
All
right
any
input,
any
other
questions.
What's
considered
your
music
council
mentioned
yeah,
so.
C
H
We
have
it's
been
zero.
Well
because
the
surety
bond
piece,
it's
been
a
very
easy
tracking
of
the
project.
So
before
2015
there
were,
there
were
a
few
agreements.
We
didn't
really
have
a
program
in
place
and-
and
we
allowed
some
of
those
to
continue,
even
though
the
program-
because
they
had
been
approved
previous
to
the
program,
but
I
think
in
2000
2018.
E
H
I
B
Any
discussion,
all
the
favorite
police
say
all
right
get
your
pulled.
Thank
you
item.
Each
one
forrest
ache
is
mr
fountain.
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
item
h1
excuse
me
is
recommend
a
approval
of
a
fee
amendment
with
thomas
and
hutton.
This
is
in
the
amount
of
four
hundred
forty
five
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
and
it
is
to
add
work
into
the
contract
for
the
construction
administration,
construction,
inspection
record
drawings
for
phase
two
of
the
project.
So,
basically
the
cei
work
associated
with
phase
two
of
the
project.
G
We
are
reallocating
some
leftover
funding
as
part
of
this
from
amendment
four
and
five,
so
that
we're
only
adding
an
extra
188,
827
dollars
and
54
cents
into
the
project
budget
to
cover
this
work.
This
is
again
work
that
was
originally
budgeted
within
the
project.
It's
just
it
hasn't
been
added
into
professional
services
contracts.
At
this
point,
the
reason
we're
adding
it
in
at
this
time,
of
course,
is
we're
expecting
to
start
construction
on
phase
2
by
early
2022.
C
Chairman,
otherwise,
I've
been
right
on
that
for
you
that
that
project
affects
both
you
and
I
and
our
respective
districts,
it's
very
important
to
just
you
know.
I
hate
to
comment
on
this
stuff,
but
we've
seen
what
we
voted
on
already.
The
work
of
mr
fountain's
department
and
other
stuff
is
moving
forward.
So.
B
I
tell
you
one
thing
over
here:
funding
is
coming
out
of
2012
stormwater
bond.
Let
me
tell
you,
that's
a
bond
that
keeps
on
giving.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
major
projects
we've
paid
out
paid
out
of
that
bond
probably
moved
in
second
any
more
discussion
hearing
that
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
hi,
thank
you
h2
mr
fountain
church
creek.
I
think
you're
sherman.
G
So
this
is
approval
number
two
with
bile
habitats
in
the
amount
of
680
000.
B
G
Sherman,
so
this
is
this
is
to
add
the
final
design,
permanent
property
acquisition,
services
and
contract
documents
for
three
of
the
four
projects
within
this
larger
flood
storage
area
within
the
church,
creek
project
basin.
So
last
last
meeting
we
added
in
the
the
smallest
of
the
projects,
which
was
sort
of
the
quick
start
project
on
mauler
court.
G
These
are
the
three
larger
projects:
sub-projects
the
bridge,
pointy
gladial
park,
the
wolf
drive
project
and
then
the
crosstown
church
area,
mid-basin
storage
project.
This
is
again
the
funding
for
this
project
comes
from
both
the
drainage
fund
and
then
the
two
national
fish
and
wildlife
foundation
grants
we
have
for
matching
funding.
B
Any
questions
mr
fountain
owners,
councilman
griffin,.
D
Yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
I
got
booted
off
there
for
a
second,
but
I've
voted
yes
on
item
a
on
this
topic
as
well.
This
is
just
a
great
great
day
for
church
creek
and
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction,
going
back
a
lot
more
storage
in
those
areas
that
need
it
the
most
and
hopefully,
that's
going
to
allow
houses
and
properties
that
have
flooded
out
previously
to
never
flood
out
again.
So
this
is.
B
D
B
I'm
gonna
agree
with
you
more
any
more
input
on
this
one.
This
is
a
long
time
coming.
Thank
you,
mr
fountain,
on
this
carried
emotion.
All
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
of
you
can
always
have
it.
H3
floodplain.
B
It's
been
moved
and
we
have
a
second
out
there.
Second,
probably
moved
seconded
by
councilman
shade
mr
fountain
any
input
on
them.
G
Mr
chairman,
this
one
is
just
a
basically
a
support
contract
for
the
flood
plain
group.
We
had
mr
joelker
resign
from
the
city,
so
we're
just
making
sure
that,
as
we,
transition
between
floodplain
managers
that
we
have
technical
support
and
assistance
is
our
our
current
certified
flood
plain
manager
for
the
city
is
our
our
stormwater
ms4
program
with
mr
jolker
resigning.
So
it's
just
that
making
sure
we
don't
lose
capacity
as
we
kind
of
transition
again
between
two
different
employees.
B
G
B
Had
a
little
distortion
there,
okay,
all
right!
All
it
passes
unanimous
now,
miscellaneous
item
we've
got
a
discussion
on
an
audience
to
adopt
regulation
on
routine
inspection
and
maintenance
of
private
septic
tank.
I
know
there's
a
issue
that's
near
and
dear
to
the
heart
of
council,
lady
jackson
and
a
lot
of
people
on
james
island
psd
as
well
as
well
as
cws
who's
going
to
lead
off
this
discussion.
Mr
fountain,
are
you
up
on
this
one.
G
I
I
can,
mr
chairman,
I
think
I
can
certainly
lead
it
off
for
discussion
purposes.
Okay,.
G
So
I
believe,
there's
been
some
discussion
at
the
james
island,
creek,
tmdl
kind
of
work
groups
on
different
ordinances
that
both
folly
beach
and
james
allen
have
passed
regarding
septic
tanks.
So
one
of
the
one
of
the
concerns,
of
course,
with
water
quality
in
a
tmdl
watershed,
that's
that's
basically
contaminated
with
with
fecal
coliform.
We
use
enterococcus
as
the
signifying
bacteria
for
salt
water
areas,
but
fecal
coliform
issue,
of
course,
is
the
concern
about
leaking
septic
tanks
or
failed
septic
tanks.
G
There
are
not
a
huge
number
of
these
within
the
city.
It's
a
relatively
small
group
on
james
island,
but
it
is
an
area
where
the
the
town,
the
city
and
the
county
have
all
been
looking
at
options
for
how
to
find
ways
to
help
bring
these
tanks
into
better
operation
maintenance,
let's
say
so:
they're,
not
sources
of
contamination.
G
There
are
a
few
different
ways
to
do.
This
dhec
technically
regulates
septic
systems,
but
they
don't
generally
do
follow-on
inspections
after
the
original
permitting
of
the
sites.
I
shouldn't
say
they
don't
generally,
they
do
not
do
follow-on
inspections
after
the
initial
permanent
of
the
sites.
One.
I
B
G
That's
a
relatively
popular
option,
similar
to
some
hud
style
grant
or
community
assistance
grant
programs
where
point-of-sale
revenue
being
generated.
So
it's
an
easy
time
when
revenue
is
being
generated
to
to
enforce
a
requirement
like
that,
I
believe
the
town
of
james
island
has
looked
at
doing
one
where
they
would
actually
require
like
an
every
three
year
or
so
inspection
cycle
and
require
basically
the
property
owner
to
inspect
their
tank
and
make
sure
their
tank
was
fully
functional.
G
G
The
upside
and
downside
of
that
again
is
the
protection.
Is
the
upside
the
potential
downside
and
the
reason
that
generally
perhaps
you
don't
see
dhak
inspecting
these
as
carefully
is
that
you
tend
to
run
into
certificate
of
occupancy
issues
with
failed
septic
systems,
because
you
don't
have
a
way
to
treat
your
your
discharge.
G
I
don't
think
the
area
of
the
city
that
might
be
served
by
septic
is
likely
to
have
much
of
that,
but
it's
certainly
always
a
concern
with
with
septic
systems,
and
then
there
certainly
are
education,
outreach
opportunities
that
are
very
important
to
do
to
separate
take
owners,
because
many
people
just
don't
understand
what
they
should
be
doing
with
the
septic
tank.
Because
if
you
live
in
the
city,
it's
not
something
you're
you're
still
used
to
thinking
about
or
dealing
with.
Necessarily.
So
that's
my
my
kind
of
quick
overview.
G
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
at
this
point
is
for
some
input
from
the
committee
on
what
level
of
involvement
the
city
might
want
to
take.
If
we
think
something
like
a
point
of
sale
is
a
good
approach
or
if
we
want
to
be
more
aggressive
than
that
and
say
no.
This
is
a
critical
component
and
then,
in
the
long
term,
probably
looking
for
support
for
when
there
are
opportunities
to
tie
into
sewer.
G
I
think
there
are
some
ordinances
at
the
city
already
and
that
I'd
have
to
double
check
a
slate
which
I
should
remember
for
requiring
hookup
when
there's
hookup
available.
Basically
when
there
is
sewer
service
on
your
street.
So
those
are.
Those
are
all
ordnance
methodologies
to
try
to
improve
environmental
quality
related
to
septic.
B
Thank
you,
mr
felton,
but
I
think
part
of
this
and
I'm
gonna
ask
councilman
jackson
to
have
some
comments.
I
know
she
has
been
very
involved
with
the
intergovernmental
group
involving
james
island,
james
island
creek
over
there,
where
you
have
a
lot
of
runoff
from
like
the
septic
tank
says
contaminating
that
creek
over
there
cws
has
been
involved.
B
I
personally
will
take
cws's
lead
because
they
know
more
about
sewage
than
anybody
in
this
region
that
I
know
of
but
council,
lady
jackson,
you
want
to
have
some
input
here.
J
Thank
you.
I
really
do
appreciate
the
recognition,
and
I
I
think
you
know
to
have
a
beginning.
J
Input
from
public
works
is,
is
fabulous
in
terms
of
you
know,
just
sort
of
some
setting
some
direction,
but
frankly,
after
after
hearing
from
cws
and
and
and
you
as
well
council
members
as
our
city's
board
member
there,
I
I
thought
that
we
were
going
to
sort
of
delay
this
this
you
know
opportunity.
J
We
do
have
a
lot
of
of
input
to
collect
and
the
good
news
is
in
terms
of
city
properties
that
currently
have
septic
that
are
known
to
be
potential
contributors
to
the
to
the
toxicity
of
the
james
allen.
Creek,
you
know
watershed
basin
that
we're
all
trying
to
improve.
J
We,
we
do
have
a
very
minor
number,
so
I
I
would
be
very
happy
to
you
know,
hear
anything
that
you
all
are
are
thinking
about
in
an
early
discussion
like
this,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
be
pursuing
trying
to
establish
an
ordinance.
I
sent
it
around
because
the
the
town
of
james
island
city
town
council
did
give
it
a
first
reading
their
version
of
the
amendment
or
the
ordinance,
which
is
what
I
think
you
have
in
front
of
you,
and
you
know
it
was.
It
was
great
to
have
an
example.
J
Town
of
folly,
beach
has
done
the
same.
They
have
a
whole
different
set
of
conditions,
obviously
being
on
the
barrier
island,
but
the
more
that
we
can
sort
of
make
ourselves
blend
into
the
to
the
to
the
strategies
and
the
methodologies
that
our
our
jurisdiction,
you
know
neighbors
are
taking
on.
I
think,
will
continue
to
have
the
reputation
of
being
a
very
cooperative
partner
in
the
intergovernmental
mix
on
james
island,
and
you
know
it's
true
up
in
west
ashley
with
saint
andrews
district
as
well.
J
B
Well,
thank
you,
mr
miracle.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
did
want
to
share
with
with
the
committee
that,
in
addition
to
the
regular
intergovernmental
council
on
james
island,
that
includes
most
of
our
local
jurisdictions
on
james
island
that
I
chair,
but
it
was
really
teed
up
by
council,
councilmember
jackson,
the
james
island,
water
quality
task
force,
which
includes
all
those
same
jurisdictions,
but
even
more
that
are
all
concerned
about
cleaning
up
james
island
creek.
F
So
she's
really
done
a
great
job,
and
I
just
want
to
give
her
that
gold
star
now
a
council
member
appel
also
serves
on
that
group
and
he's
head
of
the
the
subcommittee
on
policy.
F
So
you
know
I
I'm
glad
that
the
james
island,
public
service
district,
in
the
town
or
or
if
you
will
on
this
issue,
taking
the
lead
and
then
that's
appropriate,
because
they
have
more
homesteads
and
properties
that
have
septic
systems
much
more
than
we
do.
But
but
I
do
think
that
as
they
get
theirs
into
place
and
we
see
that
it's
working
or
not
working,
we
can
adjust
a
little
bit
accordingly
that
we
should
be
consistent
with
them.
F
Even
though
we
might
have
a
much
smaller
number
of
septic
tanks
in
the
city,
I
think
we
should
have
the
goal
of
being
on
the
same
page
with
with
the
town
and
the
county
altogether,
no
matter
how
many
systems
we
have
in
our
city
limits
council
member
appel.
Does
that
make
sense.
I
It
absolutely
does-
and
I
appreciate
your
kind
remarks
there
and
also
councilman
jackson's
leadership
on
this
issue,
and
you
know
I
like
to
boil
down
the
problem.
It's
a
simple
problem
as
a
simple
solution:
that's
complicated
due
to
the
multi-jurisdictional
issues
that
we
face.
I
mean
the
bottom
line.
Is
you
know
you
just
can't
be
on
a
failing
septic
system
in
south
carolina
low
country
in
the
days
of
rain
bombs
and
sea
level
rise
and
things
of
that
nature?
That's
no
way
to
run
a
railroad.
I
I
mean
james
island
is
not
the
james
island
of
the
1940s.
It's
a
it's
a
developed
urban
area
and
we
need
to
get
as
many
people
on
sewer
as
possible
and
if
you're
not
going
to
get
on
sewer,
you
better
well
clean
out
your
septic
tank.
Nobody
has
a
right
to
put
their
own
human
waste
into
our
waterways.
That's
the
bottom
line
here
and
what
we're
talking
about-
and
you
know
with
this
multi-jurisdictional
challenge
that
we've
got
you
know,
certainly
mayor.
I
We
got
to
have
consistency
with
the
way
that
we're
attacking
these
issues,
but
I
think
the
one
thing
I
would
add
to
this
discussion
today
is:
let's
not
lose
sight
of
the
ultimate
solution
here,
which
is
finding
creative
ways
to
get
sewer
to
the
various
homes
that
are
located
in
this
basin,
and
we've
already
made
some
really
great
progress
and
councilman
waring
to
your
point,
cws
has
been
outstanding,
I
mean
we
asked
them
to.
You
know
analyze
the
situation.
They
came
forward
with
maps
showing
the
city
properties
versus
unincorporated,
county
versus
town.
I
Here's
where
the
sewer
is
here's
where
the
septics
are.
I
mean
that
was
the
first
step
in
you
know
for
us,
as
a
policy
matter
figuring
out,
who's
got
to
do
what
right
we
gotta
understand
what
the
problem
is
before
we
address
it,
but
also,
I
think
mayor
woolsey
has
done
a
great
job
of
you
know,
bird
dogging,
some
federal
funds,
and
talking
with
you,
know
the
local
legislative
delegation
about
maybe
trying
to
get
some
money
out
of
columbia
for
some
of
this
work.
I
All
this
is
an
all
of
the
above
solution
approach
that
we
need
to
take,
because
this
is
a
real
problem.
It's
it's
a
shame
that
we've
got
a
tmdl
designated
waterway
on
james
island,
that's
just
awful
and
we
need
to
find
ways
to
get
the
problem
solved.
So,
thanks
to
everybody
involved-
and
I
think
we're
making
good
progress,
we
got
to
keep
going
thanks.
G
J
Know
thanks,
you
know
in
in
this
whole
intergovernmental
responsibility
sets
of
responsibilities.
Paper
dhec
is
supposed
to
be
the
investigative
you
know,
enforce
enforcing
agency
of
septic
use,
and
they
their
budget
was
stripped.
I
guess
you
know
back
in
the
recession
and
it's
never
been
put
back
to
to
really
be
able
to.
You
know:
do
that
function,
it's
it's
their
function
on
paper,
so
we
can't
really
even
point
fingers
at
our.
You
know
stakeholder
partners
and
at
dhec
and-
and
I
do
think
that
is
sort
of
setting
a
whole
nother
new.
J
You
know
aspect
of
this
is
that
it's
great,
you
know
to
wait
for
the
state,
but
we
have
to
take
some
actions
on
the
local
level.
So
it's
been
a
very
good
learning
curve
exercise
for
all
of
us
and-
and
I
think
that
in
itself
will
stand
the
test
of
time.
B
B
I
certainly
I
mean
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
all
for
the
governmental
communication.
That
part
is
actually
a
lot
of
strength.
My
understanding
is
some
of
the
landowners
are
actually
homeowners
who
have
had
these
septic
tanks
over
the
years.
Obviously
they
need
to
get
on
board
because
there's
going
to
be
some
right
now
they
don't
pay
a
storm
water
fee.
You
know,
there's
no
electrical
charge
for
them
to
run
their
septic
tank
and
subsequently
drain
drain
pipes.
B
So
they're
gonna
have
to
pick
up
some
additional
costs
for
the
solution,
so
whatever
we
can
do.
If
you
know
somebody
live
in
that
area
and
say
hey,
I
know
it's
going
to
cost
a
little
bit
more,
but
sure
be
good.
If
you
hook
in,
we
got
to
find
a
way
to
market
that
to
them
as
well,
because
I
agree
everybody
pushing
in
the
right
direction.
B
Hopefully,
the
psd
and,
and
maybe
the
town
will
get
some
monies
out
of
columbia
to
help
pay
for
that
those
houses
left
about
200
houses
or
something
like
that
so
get
connected.
But
anyway
it
was
a
subject.
Council,
lady
jackson,
you
were
spot
on
in
that
our
stormwater
I
mean
our
public
works
committee
needs
to
be
appraised
of
it
or
prized
of
it.
B
However,
you
want
to
say
that
so
it
won't
be
a
foreign
subject
when
it
comes
back,
I'm
sure
at
another
time
any
more
on
that
subject,
any
any
more
new
business
to
come
for
the
committee,
and
I
wanted
to
be
noted
that,
as
part
of
this
committee,
it's
447
and
we
have
concluded
the
public
works
agenda
for
the
day,
keeping
pace
with
real
estate.
That
finished
on
time.
C
Competition
between
the
two
chairmans,
mr
mayor,
nothing.