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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 10/24/2022
B
B
C
A
D
F
F
Okay,
so
what
we
put
together
here
is
basically
a
brief
timeline
of
what
we've
been
doing.
Basically
the
last
year
now
I
want
to
start
off
there
in
October
of
last
year
and
certainly
appreciate
the
mayor
reaching
out
to
us
and
authorizing
us
to
move
forward
with
preparing
advertisement
for
Professional
Services.
As
you
know,
we
do
the
procurement
here
for
our
for
our
work
in
capital
projects,
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
time
associated
with
doing
that,
and
it
helped
us
get
a
little
jump
on
this.
F
So
March
we
brought
contracts
to
council
the
notice
to
proceed,
and
basically
the
scope
of
that
was
to
complete
facilities.
Inventory,
look
at
everything
that
we
have
out
there
at
Milford,
Street,
inventory
it
and
then
dude
needs
assessment
with
all
the
various
departments
that
are
involved
up
there
at
Milford
Street.
So
we
met
with
the
staff
multiple
times
and
we
took
a
lot
of
notes
and
we
built
basically
built
a
very
complicated
spreadsheet.
F
As
you
probably
all
know-
or
most
of
you
know,
that
in
August
Highland
resource
is
the
Magnolia
developer,
provided
us
three-year
notice,
which
basically
said
hey,
you
know
we
we
would
like
to
reoccupy
our
land
in
three
years.
So
again,
it
was
great
to
have
this
little
jump
here
to
start
procurement
and
and
beginning
part
of
this
contract
and
we're
digging
into
it
hard
right
now.
So
in
September
and
October
we've
been
working
on
the
conceptual
design
of
what
that
facility
is
going
to
look
like
now.
F
The
only
parcel
of
land
that
we
own
currently
is
the
WR
gray
site
and
we're
doing
our
absolute
best
to
make
everything
fit
on
that
in
October
this
month.
We're
finalizing
the
preliminary
guaranteed
maximum
price.
Now
this
isn't
what
it's
going
to
going
to
cost
just
yet,
but
we
asked
for
the
contractor
to
put
together
a
detailed
number
as
possible,
because
we
in
capital
projects
have
to
ask
bfrc
and
Council
for
a
budget,
so
we
have
to
make
sure
we
have
all
of
our
ducks
in
a
row
before
we
ask
for
that
budget.
F
Looking
ahead
and
I'm
getting
ahead
of
myself
here,
a
fourth
quarter,
design
team
contractor
council
with
authorization
to
proceed,
assuming
we
have
all
that
funding
in
place
for
that
design
team,
and
then
this
is
looking
really
far
ahead,
really
through
2022
and
2023
into
2024.
We're
going
to
be
working
on
design
and
permitting,
and
there
are
there
is
some
site
work
that
we
would
like
to
start
in
that
process
really
stuff
that
has
long
lead
times.
F
F
F
Actually
16
Acres,
but
there
is
a
land
taking
from
from
the
port
for
the
interchange
there
and
we
do
have
some
limitations
on
storm
water
just
because
this
is
kind
of
an
outfall
area
here
for
surrounding
Parcels
that
go
underneath
the
railroad
tracks.
So
we'll
have
to
have
some
some
stormwater
easements
in
there
to
to
move
that
water.
B
Is
is
there
a
I
know?
A
long
time
ago
you
and
Mr
Noom
and
I
had
a
conversation
about
Mr
Mayor,
coming
up
with
a
I'm,
gonna
say
a
code.
Let's
call
it
1670
on
city
project
that
would
kind
of
maybe
streamline
the
approval
process
of
could
something
like
that
be
a
benefit.
If
we
had
something
like
that,
a
streamlined
process
for
City
projects,
because,
obviously,
that
the
city
projects
have
slowed
up,
it
just
adds
to
the
cost
of
the
tax
bill.
At
the
end
of
the
day,.
B
F
B
F
Right,
TRC
right
well,
there's
also
building
review
as
well
as
fire
marshal
review
too.
You
know,
sir,
to
be
honest
with
you
anytime:
we
can.
We
can
accelerate,
permitting
I.
Think
that's
great
for
the
project.
I
think
the
challenge
is:
is
the
permitting
workloads
right
now,
there's
so
much
in
the
pipeline?
I
I,
don't
know
how
you
prioritize
things,
but
it's
certainly
what
worth
discussing,
though.
E
F
F
F
Right
and
this
it's
a
it's
a
16,
Acre
Site,
so
I
just
I
wanted
to
show
kind
of
the
entire
site
plan.
But
but
you
have
fire
right
now,
because
we
don't
have
another
location
for
police
radio
we're
going
to
have
to
Nestle
them
into
here
somewhere
or
we
could
probably
share
a
couple
of
bays,
and
this
would
be
Public
Services
Fleet
right
here.
F
I
I,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I,
don't
know
why
it
ended
up
being
out
at
Milford
Street.
It
may
be
one
of
those
uses
that
you
know
it
was
a
good
fit
years
ago
there,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
connected
to
to
this
site
with
everything
else
here.
There
are
a
few
resources
that
they
share,
but
if
we
were
to
develop
a
police
Fleet
building
elsewhere,
it
would
certainly
make
sense
to
move
the
radio
shop
in
with
that
police,
Fleet
building.
F
On
it
is
in
lockstep
with
us
when
we
go
through
projects
like
this,
just
because
there's
there's
a
lot
of
coordination
that
we
need
to
do
with
our
mechanical
electrical
Plumbing
engineers
and
I.T.
So
we
kind
of
quarterback
all
these
meetings
and
we
bring
in
the
departments
on
an
as
needed
basis
with
the
design
team
and.
F
A
G
F
G
G
We
did
not
have
enough
room
on
the
site
to
to
stretch
out
and
and
and
like
we
do
at
Milford
Street
yeah
there
you
go
so
and
it
makes
it
very
efficient
me
in
a
sense
and
and
and
there
can
be
some
benefits,
but
you
got
a
parking
garage
with
five
levels
there
on
the
on
the
ground.
Floor
will
be
able
to
accommodate
trucks
and
part
of
the
shop
and
everything
else.
F
Yes,
sir,
and
just
to
add
to
that
you
know,
there's
a
very
intensive
vehicular
use
on
this
site.
I
mean
this
is
where
all
of
our
city
vehicles
are,
where
they're
being
maintained
and
stored.
So
the
only
item
we
really
could
go
vertical
with
on
this
site
was
was
the
vehicles.
So
we
that's.
What
forced
kind
of
the
parking
garage
is
because
the
city
employees
coming
to
work
need
a
place
to
park,
but
we
also
need
to
locate
those
vehicles
on
the
same
site.
There's
a
lot
of
attributes
about
putting
them
in
a
parking
garage.
F
I
mean
they're,
going
to
be
that
much
more
protected
during
a
hurricane
or
a
storm.
They're
going
to
be
elevated.
The
site
is
actually
High
to
begin
with
it's
in
an
X
flood
zone
right
now
it's
about
elevation,
14.,
we're
going
to
be
adding
about
a
foot
and
a
half
fill
to
the
side
to
bring
it
up
a
little
bit
more
and
then
the
other
thing
that
you
can
see
at
this
angle
right
there
on
the
ground
floor
there
we
would
actually
Park
the
the
garbage
trucks
underneath
the
garage.
F
F
G
That
belongs
to
the
coastal
conservation
League.
They
are
moving.
There
grow
Carolina
facility
there
and
and
they've
been
renovating.
The
building,
I
think
they're
getting
ready
to
move
in
in
about
a
month.
Oh
okay,
they
sold
their
property
on
Mars
and
drive
to
The
Laurel
Island
developers,
because
that
proposed
overpass
through
the
county
property,
former
County
property
and
across
Morrison
Drive,
went
over
the
Grove
Carolina
building.
A
G
B
F
B
F
Well,
that's
really
what
we've
been
designing
for
when
we
did
our
needs
assessment
was
looking
forward.
I.
Think,
what's
going
to
really
happen,
is
our
departments
are
going
to
have
to
learn
to
work
differently
at
a
facility
like
this
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
advantages
to
having
things
in
close
proximity?
B
A
F
No,
no
police
cars,
so
really
the
the
top
end
of
this
is
the
fire
training
in
here
over
to
the
left.
We're
gonna
have
fire
Fleet
and
we're
gonna
have
training.
On
the
second
floor,
you
can't
really
see
it
kind
of
second
floor
in
here
would
be
the
fire
training
as
part
of
this
group
over
here
and
we're
gonna.
Have
fire
operations
over
here,
I'm
sorry
Logistics
over
here,
and
then
there's
going
to
be
fire
reserve
in
the
front
here
and
then
to
jump
back.
F
We're
going
to
have
all
those
Bays
for
Fleet
Maintenance
in
here
and
then
we're
going
to
have
offices
upstairs
for
part
of
this
they'll
share
office
space
or
the
the
floor
would
be
also
a
storm.
Water,
traffic
and
transportation
would
be
on
this
on
the
first
and
second
floors
over
here
the
parking
garage,
and
then
these
are
like
outdoor
shed
style
storage
areas
here,
parking
here
parking
here,
outdoor
sheds,
outdoor
sheds
here,
fueling
Center,
Car,
Wash,
Lube
center
and
just
as
much
parking
as
we
can
maximize
on
the
site.
D
H
Good
afternoon,
sorry
about
that,
no
problem,
so
we
are
making
some
progress.
It's
slow
going,
but
we
we
are.
We
are
making
progress
to
date,
we're
at
2
700
tons
on
a
normal
month.
We
are
at
1200
tons,
usually
as
the
high,
so
we
are
over
double
what
we
normally
pick
up
for
the
month.
So
far,
Crews
have
been
working.
They've
worked
20
out
of
the
24
days
since
the
storm,
so
they've
been
out
there
trying
trying
to
get
this
stuff
up.
H
We
made
a
we
made
a
pretty
good
dent
on
James
Island.
Last
week
we
were
able
to
complete
three
out
of
the
six
routes
and
the
others
were
roughly
around
30
to
50
percent
done
so
overall
on
James,
Island
I
would
say
we're
around
70
percent
Peninsula
were
probably
right.
Around
60
percent
and
West
Ashley
were
probably
right
around
60
as
well.
There's
still
a
lot
of
debris
out
there.
Our
contractor
is
finding
a
lot
of
big
piles.
Still
we
are.
H
We
will
be
bringing
that
again
to
you
guys,
tomorrow,
to
pop
to
extend
those
contracts
a
little
bit
longer
and
and
add
a
second
truck
to
help
clean
some
of
this
up
even
faster.
You
know
back
in
2019
we
had
23
out
of
our
31
positions
filled
for
Dorian.
We
also
had
25
contractors
that
were
here
helping
you
know
that
was
that
was
a
little
bit
bigger
storm.
H
We
averaged
about
90
000
cubic
yards
and
by
the
time
this
one
is
done,
we'll
probably
around
25
000.,
but
we
have
16
employees
that
are
working
and
two
contractors
compared
to
the
last
one.
So
it
it's
a
big
difference
when
you,
when
you
think
about
it,
and
you
know
we
were
able
to
clean
Dorian
up
around
45
days,
so
there's
a
lot
of
debris.
It's
taking
time.
H
You
know
traffic
because
now
we've
got
to
haul
it
up
to
Spring
Grove
right
if
it's
mixed,
so
you've
got
to
sit
in
traffic,
so
that's
an
hour
each
time
that
they
have
to
haul
that
up
there.
So
it
it's
slowing
us
down.
The
the
peninsula
stopped
being
over
at
the
storage
site
is
definitely
helping
on
Mondays
and
Tuesdays.
It's
just
the
other
two
days
a
week
where
we're
off
the
peninsula
that
we're
really
struggling.
H
E
Would
you
would
your
crews
are
looking
at
collecting
his
seems
to
me
just
to
be
the
stool
debris.
The
regular
green
debris
and
I've
noticed
that
the
other
type
of
debris
that
people
put
to
the
to
the
curb
has
not
been
addressed
yet
so
you
got
to
come
back
again,
I
suspect
and
pick
that
stuff
up
as
well.
H
So
we
actually
started
picking
that
up
last
week.
It's
just
on
Saturdays.
The
landfill
is
closed.
So
we
have
to
leave
that
sit
when
we
run
on
Saturdays.
If
we
didn't
make
it
to
that
area,
we
have
to
leave
it
set
because
we
have
no
place
to
take
it
until
Monday
and
we
don't
want
to
load
trucks
and
leave
them
sit
in
trucks,
but
we
have
started
collecting
all
that
that
bulk
stuff
again,
okay.
E
You
know
I
think
it's
just
sort
of
important
and
you
and
I
have
talked
about
this
before
it's
just
getting
the
word
out
to
folks
as
to
what's
going
on
and
I
I
know
you're
with
the
resources
you
have
available,
we
all
are
working
around
the
clock.
Getting
that
I
appreciate
you
you're
working
on
that
and
you
and
Mr
O'brien
attention.
E
B
H
We
are
working
with
a
for
Affordable
Lawn
Care
he's
actually
got
a
big
100
yard
grapple
truck
out
running.
He
used
at
all
last
week,
he's
the
one
that
me
and
Amy
and
I've
been
working
on,
bringing
you
guys
an
extension
for
that
tomorrow
and
actually
adding
a
second
truck
for
him.
We
also
have
affordable
land
and
Lawn
Care
who's,
hauling
debris
out
of
our
storage
site
for
us,
so
our
guys
will
bring
it
in
and
they
will
haul
it
out.
H
Yeah,
so
capital
is
not
helping
yet,
but
they
are
cleaning
up
Daniel
Island
as
fast
as
they
can.
We've
actually
been
sending
over
trucks
to
help
them
as
well.
Trident
is
getting
close.
They
should
be
caught
up,
hopefully
by
the
next
day
or
so,
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
if
we
need
to
get
us
a
truck
but
they're
having
staffing
issues
at
the
moment
as
well.
So.
J
I
A
I
H
H
H
H
A
Good
afternoon,
so
there's
there's
several
categories.
When
you
get
a
FEMA
declaration,
we
did
get
a
FEMA
declaration
for
category
B,
which
is
emergency
protective
measures,
which
is
basically
what
we
do
to
prepare
for
the
storm
and
during
the
storm
and
then
thereafter
comes
several
other
categories.
Depending
on
what
your
damage
is.
Category
a
is
debris
removal.
So,
in
order
to
get
any
type
of
reimbursement
at
all,
we
have
to
do
those
load
tickets.
A
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
and
just
by
way
of
further
explanation,
I'm
I
mean
I
I
feel
blessed
that
you
know.
Hurricane
Ian
had
relatively
small
impact
on
our
region.
Normally
a
hurricane
that
has
a
bit
more
impact
and
more
debris.
The
county
has
a
county-wide
contract
debris
contract.
That's
set
up
for
emergency
cleanup.
The
county
did
not
put
that
into
effect
this
time,
because
the
initial
reaction
was,
we
didn't
think
we
had
that
much.
G
We
were
going
to
have
that
much
debris,
particularly
compared
to
even
recently
Matthew
Irma
and
and
some
of
these
other
storms,
but
but
I
do
feel
that
the
debris
has
been
more
than
than
what
we
were
thinking.
It
might
be
like
the
day
after
the
storm.
You
know
we
were
all
just
breathing
a
sigh
of
relief
right
and
you
know
there
were
some
Limbs
and
a
few
trees
reported
and
all
like
that,
and-
and
you
heard
Matt
say
that
we've
already
here
on
the
20.
G
Well,
really
that
would
have
been
in
by
Friday
the
21st
two-thirds
of
the
month.
We
were
already
over
double
what
a
normal
month
would
be,
so
October
will
probably
be
three
times
or
a
little
more
than
what
we
normally
do,
and
so
anyway,
I
just
thought
by
way
of
explanation,
nor
normally
we
really
would
have
had
the
calvary
in
with
this
big
contract
in
this
big
equipment.
G
That's
part
of
the
County
contract
that
didn't
happen,
and
that's
what
led
us
thank
you
Matt
to
finding
a
couple
other
smaller
local
subcontractors
to
help
us,
along
with
with
capital
and
Trident
as
well.
Everybody's
just
been
really
humping
it
for
the
last
20
some
odd
days,
and
we
really
thank
you
for
your
efforts
because
we've
been,
for
the
most
part,
so
to
speak,
going
it
alone.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
Matt.
Do
you
give
us
sort
of
a
point
of
reference
and
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
prior
storm
since
2015
since
I've
been
on
on
Council,
but
what
the
other
strongs
that
have
come
through
it
seems
like
we
had
like
a
storm
a
year
in
16
17
in
in
18..
What
what
was
it?
The
total
tonnage
for
that
cleanup?
Do
you
remember.
H
So
I
I
can
tell
you
what
Dorian
was
Dorian
was
a
a
91
000
cubic
yards
of
yard
debris
and
about
30
000
cubic
yards
of
bulk
debris,
which
is
construction,
debris
and
things
I
want
to
say
that
Irma
was
less
than
a
hundred
thousand,
but
those
are
the
only
two
that
I
can
remember.
I,
don't
remember:
I
had
just
gotten
here
for
Matthew.
E
H
B
C
B
J
Yeah,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
H1
is
the
barberoice
project.
As
you
mentioned,
it's
recommended
approval
to
submit
a
Grant
application
to
the
South
Carolina
office
of
resilience.
This
is
their
arpa
funding
for
a
7.6
million
dollar
request
on
the
Barbara
and
strange
Improvement
project
that
we've
discussed
before
at
this
committee.
J
In
this
situation,
they're
not
currently
requiring
a
City
match.
They
do
only
have
about
50
million
dollars
available,
so
there's
a
potential.
They
would
adjust
this
award
amount.
If
it's,
if
it's
selected,
they
may
offer
a
smaller
amount
of
money,
but
we
do
have
some
drainage
fund
money
allocated
to
this
project
already
I.
B
J
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
This
Is,
The,
wapu,
Place,
Creek,
Drive
drainage
project.
Basically,
the
way
the
this
is
adding
some
Valley
Gutter
and
a
little
bit
of
drainage,
Inlet
Improvement.
In
an
intersection
the
way
the
utility
work
ended
up.
We
ended
up
with
a
series
of
like
linear
patches.
This
is
the
change
order,
basically
to
a
single
large,
clean
patch,
rather
than
a
sort
of
a
patchwork
of
patches
that
were
so
six
thousand
two
hundred
and
twenty
five
dollars.
B
J
Thanks
Mr
chairman
this,
so
this
is
an
update
just
because
this
item
went
to
real
estate
committee
as
well
today
for
looking
for
permission
to
acquire
a
temporary
construction
easement
and
a
permanent
construction
easement.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
this
committee
was
aware
of
what
was
happening
with
the
real
estate
committee
on
the
project
and
those
are
both
very
small
easements
in
Wetlands,
basically
to
install
the
pipes
room
for
Jack
and
bore
both
the
both.
J
These
ones
are
on
the
same
parcel
owned
by
the
Carolina
Bay
property
owner
association
and
HOA
they're
they're
valued
around
500
for
each
cheese
man.
So
I
just
wanted
to
see.
If
there
are
any
questions,
that's
obviously
necessary
for
us
to
move
the
project
forward.
So
we
certainly
would
ask
for
the
support
of
this
committee
with
the
real
estate
committee.
For
that
purpose.
B
J
Thank
you
for
sure.
This
is
just
a
quick
update
on
this
one.
Obviously,
the
the
project
has
been
substantially
complete
for
some
time,
but
we
have
now
finished
the
kind
of
final
change
order.
Closeout
processes
for
the
project
I
just
wanted
to
update
the
committee
as
we
as
we
kind
of
reconciled
all
the
remaining
quantities
on
the
project.
J
We
actually
ended
up
coming
in
86
000
under
the
original
Construction
contract
Budget
on
phase
two,
almost
12
million
dollar
project
is
pretty
good
to
see
us
be
that
that
accurate
on
the
work,
Frank
newham,
obviously
did
an
excellent
job.
Managing
this
one
and
keeping
it
on
schedule
on
budget
and
doing
wonderful
things
on
phase
three
as
well,
so
just
lovely
bring
up
some
good
news,
as,
as
we
see
escalating
prices
on
a
lot
of
projects.
This
one
came
in
really
well
I.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
thanks
Matt
I,
just
I
was
down
on
low
battery
this
weekend.
Walking
and
if
you
haven't
been
down
recently
phase
three
is
rolling
along
really
well.
They've
already
poured
concrete
as
far
as
battery
place,
which
is
within
just
a
few
hundred
feet
of
the
end
of
that
phase.
It
looks
fantastic,
so
we've
gotten
really
lucky
with
the
weather,
but,
more
importantly,
we've
had
really
skilled
people
working
on
it,
and
so
I
just
want
to
encourage
all
of
you
to
get
on.
B
Thank
you,
councilman,
there's,
no
doubt
about
it.
When
it
comes
to
these
projects,
our
department
is
the
best
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina
to
certainly
could
be
being
some
of
the
best
in
the
country.
So
we
have
these
unique
projects
and
special
to
all
of
us,
and
frankly,
that's
especially
to
the
nation.
Frankly,
how
many
millions
of
people
get
to
enjoy
the
battle?
Great
work,
Mr
Fountain
you
and
your
team
and
certainly
tell
Mr
newam.
We
say
it
as
much
to
him.
B
J
What
that
would
do
to
typical
pay
rates
for
those
positions
and
then
also
show
the
basically
some
highlighted
items
where
we
feel
these
are
probably
the
the
most
short-term
critical
options
for
the
adjustments.
Basically
looking
at
for
the
field
operator
and
I
can
go
into
any
level
of
detail
you
want,
but
if
the
field
operations
group
really
looking
at
more
of
these
skilled
positions,
we've
actually
had
some
success
with
the
HR
department.
J
J
Yeah,
unfortunately,
we
have
not
had
quite
the
same
success
with
hiring.
You
know
more
skilled
labor,
so
that
was
sort
of
what
we
highlighted
here.
The
blue
positions,
which
are
generally
like
the
jet
factors.
The
heavy
equipment
operators
with
an
overhead
load,
would
still
sit
around
285
thousand
dollars
for
the
adjustments
that
we're
showing
on
this
page.
That's
about
25
different
positions.
We
would
be
adjusting
at
that
rate
and
then,
within
the
kind
of
the
Professional
Services
Group
I
did
a
similar
approach.
J
J
That
would
end
up
with
about
a
sixty
eight
thousand
dollar
overhead
loaded
adjustment
for
that
set
of
grades.
I
try
to
set
both
these
up
without
having
to
deal
with
compression
issues,
since
these
are
in
both
more
of
our
higher
paid
employees.
So
they
don't
have
that
compressional
impact
on
pushing
up
the
employees
above
them
as
well.
It
does
end
up
being
again
a
total
of
of
approximately
between
the
285
and
the
68.
You
know
just
under
350
000,
but.
C
G
That
I
I
believe
that
what
Matt
has
proposed
here
is
very
reasonable
to
there's
a
reason:
there's
a
reason
for
those
High
vacancy
rates.
If
you
will
yeah
and
I
I,
believe
not
just
storm
water
but
Citywide
that
positions
that
that
haven't
filled
in
over
a
year
or
where
50
percent
or
more
vacancies
have
occurred,
that
to
do
an
adjustment
on
the
the
the
pay
grade
is
appropriate
to
help
fill
those
positions.
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
get
the
committee's
concurrence
on
on
that.
G
That
theme,
so
to
speak,
that
if
we
look
at
all
those
positions,
city-wide
that
have
over
50
percent
vacancy
or
hadn't
been
filled
might
be
just
one
person,
but
we
hadn't
been
able
to
find
somebody
in
over
a
year
or
two
then,
and
something
ain't
right.
You
know
we
look
at
that
that
pay
grade
and
that
allows
us
to
make
some
adjustments
with
the
salaries
for
those
positions
and
I
and
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
and
appropriate.
B
I
mean
I
couldn't
agree
with
you,
99
I
agree
with
you
100
on
that
I
mean
we
have
to
be
nimble
enough
to
Pivot.
The
private
Market
is
telling
us.
We
don't
want
the
job
at
that
rate
and
we
need
the
production
from
the
jobs
being
filled.
Mr,
Fountain,
great
work
again
and
I
appreciate
give
my
thanks
to
you.
People
in
human
resources
for
working.
B
J
It's
the
same
license:
Mr
chairman,
the
only
difference
is
obviously
most
of
the
long-haul
or,
if
you're,
a
home-based
driver,
that's
still
driving
that
size
of
vehicle
that
you're.
Typically,
the
difference
is
you're,
typically
not
getting
out
of
the
vehicle
and
doing
the
skilled
labor
associated
with
the
jet
Factor.
J
But
then
it
there's
almost
a
double
challenge
in
that
many
truck
drivers
tend
to,
like
you
know,
driving
rather
than
incredibly
dirty
and
operating
the
equipment.
So
you
have
to
have
someone
who's
willing
to
do
both,
which
is
why
we
end
up
with
a
smaller
hiring
pole
frequently
than
you
would
expect.
B
J
So
we
set
that
up
originally
with
the
the
jet
vac
assistant
positions.
Those
positions
have
been
very
hard
to
hire,
for
we
ended
up
actually
reducing
how
many
of
them
we
had,
because,
that's
probably
the
least,
the
least,
successful
position
we
have
in
trying
to
fill
those
vacancies
and
that
that
work
is
again
both
hard
and
like
hard
from
a
physical
perspective
and
hard
from
a
competence
perspective.
J
J
So
we
had
it,
we
had
to
be
a
pay
raise
up
to
49
000
for
The,
Operators
and
43
for
the
assistance,
and
then
the
the
concept
was,
if
you
were
to
do
that,
you
know,
prior
to
whatever
the
cola
would
be
there'd,
be
an
additional
adjustment
from
the
cola
which
might
help,
because
these
are
two
positions
that
we
just
generally
can't
hire
for
so
I'm
afraid
that
a
standardized
Cola
across
the
city
won't
necessarily
make
those
positions
hirable,
because
again
they
would
shift
with
all
the
other
positions.
At
that
point,.
B
J
That's
it's
challenging
Mr
chairman
to
know
exactly
where
we
will
need
to
be
I
mean
the
the
the
way
I
built.
This
system
was
trying
to
kind
of
respect
the
other
rates
within
the
city
and
within
this
department,
so
that
we're
not
having
to
adjust
sort
of
the
whole
city
on
a
formal
compensation
survey
which
would
generally
take
you
know
a
year
or
so.
J
J
J
Chairman
they
were
a
few
years
ago.
They
were
paying
in
the
low
20s
per
hour,
but
that
was
before
we
also
made
our
increases.
I
I
can
double
check
with
sort
of
what
some
of
the
private
sectors
are.
I
mean
you're,
seeing
many
of
the
cdla
drivers
are
generally
getting
hired
between
50
and
70
000
from
what
I've
seen
in
the
industry,
not
not
for
True
long-haul
work,
which
tends
to
pay
a
little
bit
better,
but
is
it?
J
Is
it
difficult,
different
type
of
career
path,
I
think
UPS
UPS
just
announced
they
were
going
to
hire
CDL
Drivers
I'm,
trying
to
remember
what
they
were
paying
they
were.
They
were
hiring
I,
think
a
hundred
thousand
holiday
workers
for
delivery
I
had
looked
that
up
a
while
ago.
Let
me
double
check
my
notes.
Really
quick,
Mr
chairman.
J
J
B
J
So
the
only
the
only
way
we
could
basically
make
an
actual
item
out
of
it.
If
we,
if
you
wanted
to
Mr
chairman,
if
you
desired,
was
to
either
choose
to
recommend
a
you
know,
budgetary
approval
in
you
know
this
year's
budget
to
be
able
to
allocate
that
kind
of
resource
or
either
for
the
entire
recommendation,
which
was
the
original
thing
we
talked
about
last
week
or
for
a
partial
implementation
similar.
J
G
J
I'm
so
Mr
Mayor,
that's
a
good
point.
So
the
challenge
we
normally
run
into
with
the
the
normal
budgetary
process,
which
is
you
know,
has
a
lot
of
validity
to
it
is
that
you
know
you
wrote
the
budget
through.
It
basically
goes
technically
into
effect,
January
1st,
then
there's
normally
a
a
couple
of
months.
While
it
works
its
way
through
sort
of
the
HR
process
for
each
of
the
different
positions,
then
we're
able
to
start
advertising
or
writing
position
descriptions.
B
J
Yeah,
so
that's
that's
exactly
right!
Mr
chairman
is
one
of
the
options
to
start
that
process
would
be
to
authorize
the
budget
this
year
and
then
at
least
we
can
be
working
with
HR
on
how
we
would
do
the
forms
potentially
and
kind
of
as
councilman
member
Bowden
mentioned.
That
would
let
us
kind
of
get
going
now,
because
you
already
have
budgetary
approval
for
it
for
future.
B
B
E
B
D
Mr,
chairman
council
member
State
we're
working
with
the
legal
department.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
received
a
list
of
questions
from
council
member
Parker
today,
which
we've
already
started
working
on
responding
to
those
I
think
Julia
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
we
probably
need
a
couple
weeks
to
kind
of
gather
all
the
information
that
the
neighborhoods
requested
us
and
before
we
take
any
action
we
we
would
get
those
and
those
questions
answered
and
then
obviously
we
want
to
notify
everybody
over
there.
D
E
B
B
Shouldn't
like
an
extended
courtesy
to
her
one
of
the
things
before
this
I
recognized,
Miss,
Parker
and
going
through
those
questions.
Can
it
be
a
process?
Maybe
somebody
meet
with
the
there's
more
of
a
question.
I
guess
it's
hard
to
meet
with
the
neighborhood
association
are
those
folk
over
there
and.
C
A
Mr,
chairman-
and
yes,
that's
absolutely
what's
happening
so
council
member,
shade
I
just
have
to
ask
what
what
are
your
concerns
here?
Why
I
mean
that's
sort
of
what
our
plan
was?
You
know
like
like
Mr
O'brien,
just
shared
the
questions
we
shared
with
staff.
No
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
I'm
keeping
in
touch
with
the
the
community.
I'm
just
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
aware
of
any
concerns
that
you
might
have
the.