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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 4/10/2023
B
I
agree,
thank
you
Matt
and
Clark.
Let's
call
the
meeting,
though,
on
a
councilman
Shahid.
If
you
give
us
a
small
message
doing
this
Easter
season.
C
Sorry
I
was
I,
was
muted
I'm
honored
to
do
that,
and
this
is
going
to
sound
like
a
repeat
performance
task,
I'm
wearing,
but
I.
Think
y'all
can
bear
with
me
that,
as
I
stated
at
the
real
estate
committee
meeting
earlier
today
that
this
is
a
week
in
which
several
religions
Traditions
reconciliation,
peace
of
respect
that
we're
supposed
to
have
for
one
another
is
universal
in
our
various
Traditions
and
throughout.
C
The
Universe,
however,
will
be
observed,
unfortunately,
is
that,
in
spite
of
that
those
traditions
and
the
good
will
that
will
pull
should
be
generating
among
all
of
us,
we're
seeing
the
exact
opposite.
There's
violence
in
our
in
our
local
community
there's
violence
internationally,
sometimes
in
the
name
of
religion.
This
is
not
where
we
want
to
be
so.
C
B
Thank
you
councilman
entertain
the
promotion
for
the
approval
of
the
March
27th
minutes.
B
Right
to
an
easement
is
that
Mr
O'brien.
D
Mr
chairman,
this
is
the
acceptance
for
permanent
drainage
easement
in
conjunction
with
a
drainage
Improvement
project
in
Barberry,
Woods
I
know
Matt's
spoken
to
the
committee
about
this
before
and
I
want
to
know
if
he'd
like
to
add
anything
to
that
we'd
be
recommending
for
that
acceptance.
All
right,
Mr
fountain.
E
B
I
agree:
it
was
the
pleasure
of
the
body,
no
move
back
and
we'll
probably
moved
and
seconded
any
more
discussion
on
it.
Hearing
that
all
in
favor
with
you,
please
say:
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed,
Mr
Brian
items,
all
the
items
on
the
F
temporary
encroachments.
Are
there
anything
unusual
there
that
needs
to
be
I.
D
B
Thank
you.
What
normally
Just
for
information
so
yeah?
Thank
you.
Mr
Brown,
G,
G1
environmental
services,
update
Mr,
Brian,
I,
missed
all
talk.
I'd.
D
Like
to
make
an
announcement
to
the
committee,
just
as
effective
this
past
Monday
Matt
alltop
has
been
named
as
the
deputy
director
of
public
service
department,
which
we're
very
happy
and
proud
of
very
well
deserved.
Honor
he's
worked
very
hard
and
worked
his
way
into
this
position
and
it's
been
my
right
hand.
Man
since
I've,
had
the
job
and
I'm
very
proud
and
happy
to
have
him
as
my
assistant
now
as
a
deputy
director,
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
ask
him
to
give
you
guys
in
environmental
services
update
well.
B
At
first
I
want
to
thank
you,
Mr
Brian,
for
your
compliments
to
the
job
that
Mr
alltop
is
doing.
I
think
we
all
feel
the
same
way.
Congratulations,
Mr,
Auto,
look
forward
to
you
continuing
the
high
professionalism
that
you've
done.
You
know
with
all
your
time
with
us.
So
thank
you
what
you
do
Mr
Alto!
Congratulations.
F
Thank
you
guys
for
for
that.
Thanks
Tom.
F
Service
garbage
trash
is
on
schedule,
finished
on
schedule
last
week
and
we
are
starting
to
see
a
rise
in
yard,
waste
and
bulk
material.
The
season
is
here
still
running
on
time:
I,
don't
anticipate
us
getting
behind
this
week
or
next.
F
They
actually
got
ahead
today
and
was
able
to
start
on
Tuesday
routes
which
still
go
back
through
tomorrow.
So
some
positive
news
there,
the
new
rat,
collect
app,
we're
anticipating,
May
June
launch
for
that.
So
that'll
be
coming
here
here
shortly,
they're
developing
the
app
now
so
hopefully
we'll
have
something
to
bring
back
and
show
you
guys
here
in
the
next
couple
weeks.
B
Okay,
great
any
questions
from
committee
members,
Council
membership.
C
My
food
has
gotten
silent
on
this
issue
and
that's
that's
always
a
good
sign
Matt.
So
thank
you.
I
agree.
B
With
that
one
councilman
Bell
no
pale
and
Amir
any
any
questions,
I
agree.
H
Just
great
job
Matt
keep
up
the
good
work,
well-deserved
promotion
and
my
phone
is
conspicuously
silent
as
well
on
those
issues
so
keep
it
up
and.
D
Of
committee,
you
called
our
last
meeting.
This
item
was
on
there
and
we
asked
it
to
be
deferred
as
a
request
to
the
glass
things
and
I'm.
Just
gonna.
Mr
glassine
is
on
the
line
Julia's
going
to
share
her
screen.
What
we've
had
here
is
a
request
to
place
a
a
fence,
slash
gate
in
the
Third
Avenue
right
away,
we're
behind
208
Gordon
Street,
which
is
a
group.
The
glass
things
resonance.
D
The
original
application
they
sent
us
was
to
have
a
wooden
fence,
but
they
Mr
glassine,
sent
me
an
email
today
and
asked
you
what
he's
asking
for
is
they
want
to
have
a
chain
link
fence
go
across
that
area.
If
the
direction
of
the
mayor
in
the
committee
last
time,
we
we
talked
to
Jason
cronsberg
with
our
parts
department
and
also
I,
talked
to
deputy
chief
Thompson
with
the
police
department
to
find
out
any
information
we
could
regarding
the
status
of
activity
in
that
area.
D
Dustin
and
his
crew
with
the
police
department
gave
us
an
outstanding
report
and
for
information
question
for
the
committee.
One
thing
in
the
area
in
that
area
of
Third
Avenue
in
Wagner,
from
April
1st
22
to
April,
2nd
23
in
the
full
area
there
were
46
calls
per
service
seven
at
the
corner.
There
were
five
incidents
and
just
one
at
that
specific
corner.
D
So
the
activity
in
the
in
the
scheme
of
the
complete
police
activity
in
the
area
is
very
low
and
I
just
wanted
to
pass
that
information
on
the
Merit
asset
we
requested
and
Keith
Thompson,
and
the
police
department
gave
her
some
excellent
information
on
that.
We've
spoken
to
Jason
this.
This
is
for
people
who
have
not
been
back
there.
This
is
an
unimproved
public
right-of-way,
it's
what
we
sometimes
refer
to
as
a
paper
Street
in
a
bus
to
Marsh.
D
There
is
some
some
erosion
in
some
areas
where
the
the
marshes
and
creeping
up
into
the
actual
right-of-way-
and
it's
just
one
of
these
areas-
that
the
public
service
department,
in
conjunction
with
the
legal
department
parts
department,
the
mayor's
office,
said
we.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it
may
not
be
next
week
next
year
in
the
next
few
years,
but
but
the
giving
up
the
use
of
city
property
for
any
activity
that
is
not
behavior
of
the
city,
IE
for
a
park
or
drainage
or
any
other
thing.
D
It's
something
we've
just
decided.
We
don't
want
to
do
so.
The
recognition
recommendation
after
reviewing
with
staff
and
looking
at
the
activities
provided
to
the
police
department
and
speaking
with
the
parks
department,
we're
recommend
the
denial
and
Mr
chairman
if
it
would
be.
Okay,
I
would
like
to
ask
Mr
gladstein
that
the
applicant
is
online
and
I
think
it
would
be.
It
is
fair
to
give
him
the
opportunity
to
tell
you
and
the
committee
his
reasons
if
you
so.
B
I
Wasn't
prepared
to
say
anything
I
was
actually
told.
I
wasn't
allowed
to
at
this
particular
meeting
that
we
should
talk
to
the
council
members,
but
first
off
you
know,
we've
had
some
theft
incidents
and
and
just
to
clarify
where
you
were
drawing
that
line.
That's
not
behind
our
property,
there's
actually
three
properties
on
the
right
away
there
until
you
get
to
ours.
Ours
is
the
third
to
clarify
yeah,
that's
ours!
Right
there,
the
all
the
people
that
joined
the
row.
I
We
we
sent
a
letter
to
the
city
council
to
the
city,
all
saying
that
hey
look,
we
don't
none
of
us
really
want
to
support.
I'll
increase
Public
Access
back
there.
There
was
a
proposal
to
have
that.
We've
had
quite
a
bit
of
theft
myself
in
the
whole
whole
hofstrom,
sorry,
our
neighbors
I'm,
not
a
guy
who
picks
up
the
phone
and
calls
the
police.
If
I
get
a
bike
stolen.
You
know
I'm
not
filling
out
a
report
for
to
have
police
officers
over
there.
I
If
I
knew
that
that
was
going
to
be
relevant
in
this
meeting,
I
would
have
done
it
and
you
would
have
you
guys
would
have
had
quite
a
few
items
on
that
police
report
list.
So
I
don't
think
that
clean
police
report
list
is
really
reflective
of
of
actually
what's
going
on
back
there
I'm,
just
not
someone
who's
going
to
waste
their
their
time.
I
Time
I
spent
with
police
when
my
dog
got
out.
They
found
that
Lounge
Grove
and
called
me,
so
that
was
that
was
kind
of
the
extent
of
our
activity
there.
One
of
the
things
is
is
that
you
know
our
focus
on
this
preservation.
I
We,
you
know
the
city
basically
has
ignored
this,
this
particular
easement
or
this
right
away.
Sorry-
and
we
know
that,
because
we've
we've
never
in
our
as
long
as
we've
lived
there
seen
anyone
from
the
city
back
there,
there's
not.
You
know,
weekly
monthly,
yearly
inspections
going
on
back.
There
there's
been
quite
a
bit
of
erosion,
so
much
that
in
the
last
few
hurricanes,
we've
lost
some
major
trees
back
there
as
the
marshes
creeped
into
the
into
the
right
away.
I
One
of
them
was
probably
a
200
year
old,
Live
Oak
defilatory
yard.
Two
years
ago,
another
series
of
trees
fell
in
the
last
hurricane,
a
series
of
trees
fell
and
smashed
my
fence,
all
of
those
were
on
city
property.
You
know
if
the
city
was
back
there,
maintaining
and
taking
care
of
that
and
preventing
erosion
back
there.
Those
trees
wouldn't
have
fell.
There's
probably
another
couple
that
are
about
to
fall
on
my
fence
and
another
few
that
are
probably
going
to
fall
on
my
garage.
I
So
what
we've
kind
of
done
is
taken
upon
ourselves
to
do
some
preservation
back
there
and
it's
it's
very
I,
can't
think
of
the
word
right
now,
but
it's
tender
and
so
there's
been
some
increased
activity
back
in
the
row.
Some
trees
have
been
cleared
by
the
entry
to
the
row
and
we've
seen
a
lot
more
foot
traffic
back
there
and
the
majority
of
that
traffic
is
walking
in
the
critical
line
and
stepping
on
a
lot
of
the
planting
that
we've
done
back
there.
I
So
we're
worried
the
only
activity
we've
seen
the
city
do
back.
There
is
actually
when
I
called
them,
because
I
had
a
tree
that
was
about
to
fall
in
my
garage
and
now
that
they
removed
that
tree,
but
they
removed
about
26
other
trees
that
were
actually
sustaining
the
shoreline.
So
we
were
a
bit
surprised
that
those
were
removed.
They
were
kind
of
doing
the
exact.
You
know
opposite
of
what
we
think
they
should
have
been
doing.
I
You
may
not
notice
from
this
picture,
but
if
at
the
hofstrom's
yard,
which
is
the
second
one
and
there's
only
about
four
feet
from
their
property
line
to
the
critical
line
on
the
on
the
marsh,
and
so
you
know
the
saying
that
we're
restricting
access
into
the
road
by
putting
up
a
fence-
let's
just
say
a
fence,
wasn't
there
you
don't
really
have
access
until
the
row,
you
can't
get
a
vehicle
back
there,
you
can't
get,
you
might
be
able
to
get
a
very,
very
small,
walk
behind
skid
steer
back
there.
I
The
only
way
that
they
were
able
to
get
back
there
and
remove
the
trees
were
to
go
on
mine
and
Eric
hofstrom's
private
property.
So
there's
really
not
much
restriction
that
we're
talking
about
doing
another
thing,
that's
I
think
very
interesting
is
is
if
you
stand
at
the
row
and
you
look
and
you're
saying
in
this
bill
is
why
I
wanted
you
to
come
down
there
and
look
at
it
and
Mr
Mayor,
thanks
for
coming
by
on
Friday
I'm
glad
I.
I
Have
our
opportunity
to
meet
you
back
there,
but
we
both
stood
and
looked
at
the
entrance
to
the
road.
It's
very
deceiving
when
you're
at
the
row.
It
looks
or
appears
that
the
the
row
goes
a
certain
way,
but
it
doesn't
it
actually
veers
off
to
the
left,
and
so
most
people
who
go
into
the
row
walk
straight
into
our
yards
or
into
our
private
property.
So
the
majority
of
the
traffic
that's
going
back
there,
whether
it's
We've
called
the
police
or
not.
I
The
majority
of
them
are
going
into
Eric
options
yard
and
into
my
yard,
and
very
few
are
actually
setting
foot
in
the
row
and
the
ones
that
do
are
actually
probably
walking
on
the
critical
line
set
out
by
DHEC
and
stepping
on.
You
know,
plantings
that
we've
done
to
try
and
reinforce
the
row.
So
I
100
agree
with
the
city's
view
that
hey
we
should
hang
on
to
Shoreline
and
preserve
it
and
that's
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
by
putting
a
gate
in
there.
I
We
feel
it's
gonna
a
increase,
the
safety.
But
it's
really
a
tertiary
request.
The
main
request
is:
keep
put
traffic
out
of
there
so
that
they're
not
walking
on
all
the
planting
that
we've
done
so
and
I
would
argue
that
if
we
didn't
do
it
at
four
feet
in
front
of
Eric,
hofstrom's
yard
would
probably
be
gone
and
you
wouldn't
have
any
row
at
all.
I
The
other
thing
is:
is
we're
proposing
an
eight
foot
gate,
so
I'm
not
really
sure
how
putting
an
eight
foot
gate
in
prohibits
the
city
from
accessing
their
row.
That's
that's
kind
of
the
issue.
I've
had
and
I
I
submitted
some
questions
into
bill
and
I
really
didn't
get
a
clear
answer
on
that,
and
that
question
is,
is
how
does
putting
an
eight
foot
gate
limit
the
city's
ability
to
get
into
that
row?
I
It
doesn't
it's
innocuous,
it's
just
open
the
gate
and
drive
your
vehicle
in
the
purpose
of
the
gate
is
to
prohibit
people
just
from
walking
by
and
saying.
Oh
I
should
go
wander
back
there
and
end
up
in
proper
property
and
to
try
to
reduce
some
of
the
theft
issues
that
we've
had
so
I'm
on
board.
With
the
city's
plan,
I
I
I
want
I
want
to
fortify
the
shoreline
too,
when
it's
needed.
I
B
Okay,
all
right
Mr
classy
number
one.
Thanks
for
coming
on
and
I'm
glad
you
did
speak
up.
I'm
gonna
recognize
councilman
Shaheed.
Thank.
C
You
Mr
chairman,
if
I
could
ask
so
if
a
series
of
questions
and
Tom
can
you
take
your
Crusher
and
show
us
exactly
where
the
gate
would
be,
that
he's
proposing.
D
C
D
We
lose
Tom,
that's
that's
Julia
Julius
one
is
as
the
as
the
map
up
I'm
having
screen
problems
also,
but.
I
C
I
I
can
tell
you
where
it
is,
if
you
like.
Whoever
can
hear
me
if
you
put
that
that
cursor,
if
you
slide
it
to
the
left
to
that
corner.
G
I
Away
which
is
yeah
go
down
at
the
corner
of
that
lot,
right,
there's
that
live
that
ends
in
3065..
That's
the
board's
property!
I
If
you
go
from
the
corner
of
that
lot
and
you
shoot
it
at
probably
a
an
angle
that
that
goes
towards
12
12
o'clock
yeah,
just
like
that,
that's
what
we're
proposing
put
in
the
gate.
It's
right!
At
the
entry
to
the
row,
there
is
a
small
what
we
call
devil
strip
property-
that's
owned
by
someone.
That's
eight
feet
wide
on
the
marsh
side
of
the
property,
and
we
didn't
want
did
not
want
to
obstruct
access
to
that
particular
property.
I
B
C
C
I
mean
yeah
yeah
the
condos
over
there,
and
what
is
this
property
if
you
walk
out
of
your
backyard
and
take
a
hard
right,
it
looks
like
some
kind
of
structure
there
at
the
very
end
sort
of
tucked
in
that
tree
line.
That's.
I
My
garage-
that's
your
garage,
oh,
that
that
property
over
there
way
to
the
right
yeah.
That's
it's
Bill,
folks,
property.
They
they
actually
I,
think
it
was
in
2003.
He
put
a
request
in
because
there
are
some
high
crime
in
his
area
to
did
the
the
right
away
to
him
specifically
so.
C
E
A
B
H
I
B
D
B
C
I,
just
I'm
just
trying
to
make
a
point
here
that
this
is
this
is
I.
I
grew
up
in
this
area,
so
I
know
this
very,
very
well
and
I'm.
Familiar
with
and
I've
talked
to
Mr
Gladstone's
wife
earlier
this
morning
to
get
a
better
feel
for
what's
going
on
here
and
I
I
know
the
premise
is
not
the
Block:
it's
is
public
land
essentially,
but
to
accomplish
what
they're
accomplishing
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
their
Public
Safety.
C
B
Well,
let
me
get
some
clarifications.
The
gate
that's
being
asked.
Was
this
a
geek
for
the
city,
the
control?
This
would
be
a
gate
that
private
property
owners
would
control
Mr
glasne.
Can
you
answer
that.
I
I,
we
didn't
include
that
into
our
proposal
and
our
intent
was
not
if
we're
in
control
of
it
was
not
even
to
lock
it.
It's
just
an
innocuous
border
or
innocuous
symbol
to
say,
hey,
look,
you
know,
please
don't
wander
back
here.
J
J
Those
saying
those
properties
by
the
way
councilmember
shade
081
is,
is
privately
owned,
but
it
has
a
little
strip
of
land
there
along
the
edge
of
it,
the
western
edge
of
it
I,
don't
think
it's
developable,
but
you
can
walk,
you
can
walk
down
there
and
then
oh
8,
2
and
002
are
actually
owned
by
the
City
of
Charleston
and
mostly
Marsh,
just
for
verification
and
and
I'd
Express.
J
The
other
day
when
I
was
out
there,
I
guess
my
main
point
would
be
allowing
private
citizens
to
put
Gates
on
public
right-of-way.
I
generally,
don't
think
that's
a
good
idea
and
I
do
believe.
If
the
city
wanted
to,
you
know,
help
control
access
there,
that
we
could
put
up
our
own
Bollard
system
and
it
might
just
be
a
simple
chain
or
something
I'd
also
recommend
we
put
some
signage
out
there.
J
You
know
notif
letting
folks
know
that
this
this
area
is
under
police
jurisdiction.
It
certainly
is-
and
you
know
if,
if
with
with
the
issues
that
are
described,
if,
if,
if
the
neighbors
felt
it
would
be
helpful
for
a
little
Bollard
system
to
go
up
there
along
with
some
signage
I,
think
that
would
be
a
reasonable
course
and
and
I
appreciate
their
offer
to
volunteer
to
put
a
gate
up
there.
But
I
think
if
we
would
to
do
something
like
that,
it
should
be
done.
B
Mr
O'brien
I,
certainly
like
your
input
on
this
one
when
you
were
thinking
about.
Oh
discussion
came
up
with
a
fence
or
even
you
heard
the
mirror
about
Ballers
or
signage
and
stuff.
Were
you
thinking
in
terms
of
City
doing
something?
Oh,
your
mindset
would
probably
agree.
D
With
the
mayor,
you
know
private
citizens
putting
fences
and
and
obstructions
on
public
property
kind
of
concern.
But
if
there
is
a
need-
and
indeed
we
could
work
with
Jason
in
the
parks
department
and
come
up
with
some
bollards
and
some
signage
and
some
chains
to
to
post
that
area
and
and
do
that
to
to
help
alleviate
some
of
the
concerns
that
Mr
Gladstone
has.
But
we
just
don't
feel
it
was
a
good
idea
for
for
private
citizens
to
be
placing
fences
and
things
and.
B
D
That's
the
main
reason
we
denied
it
and
again
you
know
we
we
at
the
at
the
request
of
the
committee.
We
we
did
go
and
check
with
the
police
and
and
even
though
Mr
glass
saying
I
have
no
doubt
he
may
have
some
other
issues.
But
all
we
have
to
go
on
are
the
police
reports
that
are
available
to
us
and,
and
you
know
very
little
very
little
activity,
basically
based
on
those
reports.
In
the
last
year,
I.
B
Understand,
I'm
gonna
recognize
our
council
member
bound
and
then
come
to
councilman
councilman
Bowen
hadn't
been.
B
K
I
guess
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
out
there
and
check
out
this
area
since
I
think
this
is
the
third
time
this
has
come
before
city
of
Council
in
my
very
short
time
here,
frankly,
it
seems
like
there's
something
a
little
bit
more
than
going
on
out
there
than
what's
what's
been
presented
at
any.
Any
time
seems
like
we
kind
of
keep
trying
to
get
different
routes
here.
K
Can
anybody
substantiate
this
issue
with
the
erosion
I
mean
I'm
interested
to
know
what
real
problem
is
is
causing
this
request
I'm
very,
very
uncomfortable
with
the
idea
of
restricting
public
access
to
public
property
and
that's
sort
of
where
I
come
down.
I
mean
frankly,
it
seems
to
me
that
if
folks
are
willing
to
build
fences,
the
proper
place
for
a
fence
would
be
on
their
own
property.
L
B
Agree
with
you
on
that
council,
member
and
I
think
councilman
pill.
Did
you
have
your
hand
up
and
take
it
down?
You
want
to
be
ready,
yeah.
Let
me
recognize
councilman
machine
and
then
I'll
come
to
you
well.
H
H
Councilmember,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
and
I
mean
I
really
don't
have
a
whole
lot
more
to
add
from
what
councilman
Bowden
just
mentioned,
but
I
just
think
as
a
general
matter.
You
know
we
don't
privatize
public
rights
away
around
here
and
the
parcel
you
know
that
ends
in
zero.
Eight
one
is
privately
owned
and,
yes,
you
cannot
build
a
house
out
there.
H
You
can't
develop
it,
but
if
you
wanted
to
launch
a
kayak
from
there,
if
you
wanted
just
to
walk
through
there,
you
absolutely
have
the
right
to
do
it
and
you
need
to
access
the
public
right
away
to
get
there
and
if
there's
concerns
about
trespassing
and
things
of
that
nature,
I
think
between
the
bollards
and
the
postings
that
we're
talking
about
coupled
with
building
a
fence
on
your
property.
That's
how
we
solve
these
issues,
so
there
I
can
I
can
tell
you.
H
There
are
disputes
between
the
neighbors
here
and
there
is
more
of
a
story
and
I
think
we
shouldn't
be
restricting
the
ability
for
people
to
access
their
private
property
to
the
public
right
away.
Thanks.
B
B
C
You
put
up
a
gate
there
and
the
gates
is
available
to
be
open,
you're,
not
denying
people
access
that
way
either.
This
is
more
of
a
as
he
said,
more
of
a
symbolic
thing,
I
mean
if
we,
if
you
could
put
a
bollard's
in
Chains,
you
do
you're
blocking
access.
If
you
put
up
a
gate
that
is
open,
that
you
can
swing
back
and
forth
without
any
locks
on
it.
You
you
do
the
same
thing.
It's
just
more
of
a
symbolic
issue,
then
well.
B
That's
true,
but
I
think
one
other
thing
can
happen
here
as
well.
I
mean
you
may
remember:
National
Plantation
rule
we
had
a
new
bridge
that
the
Black
Bridge
that
the
county
put
in
you
had
some
people,
putting
obscenities,
painting,
obscenities
on
the
bridge
and
with
our
police
department,
is
actually
put
a
camera
up
on
a
on
a
you
know:
Dominion
powerful
to
pick
up
nefarious
activity
there.
B
So
if
you've
got
some
negative
activity
going
into
balloons,
it
chill's
presence
with
the
signage
and
then
obviously
you
can
put
a
camera
up
there
too.
To
kind
of
pick
up
some
of
it.
Bad
actors
that
Mr
blast
team
may
may
be
referring
to
here
so
I
think
a
more
presence,
City
presence,
signage
violence.
We
won't
restrict
pedestrians
I,
think
we
should
do
something
there.
J
Oh
right
now
it
kind
of
looks
like
a
driveway
and
and
maybe
chain
isn't
a
good
description.
I
was
thinking
more
like
we
have
on
the
greenway.
J
You
know
where
at
every
street
that
the
greenway
comes
to,
you
have
bollards
that
are
close
enough,
that
you
can't
just
drive
a
car
through
there,
but
you
you
can
walk
through
and
you
know
the
the
vegetation
back
there
is
is
maybe
another
issue
that
that
we
should
act
as
parks
to
to
maintain
a
little
a
little
more
than
they
have
in
the
past,
but
I
mean
with
with
all
due
respect.
J
I
mean
you're
not
supposed
to
be
just
walking
out
in
the
marsh
you
know,
and
and
if
someone's
doing
that
I
think
there's
DNR
wouldn't
like
that
very
much
I,
don't
know
how
much
of
that
is
really
occurring,
but
you
know
that
I
I
concur.
The
whole
area
could
be
cleaned
up
a
little
better
and
I
was
a
little
concerned.
J
Looking
at
that,
that
picture
we
had
just
a
minute
ago
that
further
passed
gladstein's
house
that
somebody's
got
another
building
on
our
right-of-way
I
could
be
wrong,
but
it
from
that
picture.
It
looked
like
somebody
was
encroaching
on
on
the
right
of
way
further
on
down
the
the
so-called
Third
Avenue.
B
B
C
Are
your
Joni
neighbors
opposed
to
this?
Thank
you.
I
No,
no,
they
favor
it
actually,
and
one
thing
I
want
to
note
about
the
you
know:
I
have
a
garage
back
there,
so
I
use
that
right
away
to
drive
and
I
have
permission
from
the
hofstrooms
to
drive
through
their
yard
and
a
small
portion
of
the
right
away.
You
can't
fit
a
car
down
the
hole
right
away,
so
the
Bullards
would
or
Ballers
I'm
sorry
I'm,
not
familiar
with
that
terminology
would
would
block
our
own
vehicles
from
getting
to
our
own
garage.
I
The
other
comment
I
wanted
to
make
is
is
about
that
parcel
that
that
parcel?
That
is
not
oh,
they
do
not
own
the
marsh,
they
don't
Ross
I
will
we
can
get
five
environmental
attorneys
on
this
call
and-
and
they
do
not
own
it-
I'm
not
trying
to
be
a
know-it-all.
We've
examined
it
thoroughly.
Unless
you
have
a
King's
Grant,
you
don't
own
a
marsh.
That's
the
exact
reason
why
you
have
to
get
DHEC
involved.
I
If
you
want
to
put
a
boat
dock
in
because
they
have
jurisdiction,
it's
state
jurisdiction,
jurisdiction
as
the
shorelines
erode
and
involve
that
becomes
state
property.
That's
just
commonly
known
by
environmental
lawyers,
so
they
they
own
a
a
180
square.
Foot
partial.
That's
eight
feet
wide:
it's
not
it's
it's
insignificant,
but
our
our
proposal
said
hey,
look.
I
We
don't
want
to
interfere
with
it,
but
you
know
our
our
main
interest
is
really
just
to
take
care
of
the
marsh
and
and
make
sure
there's
no
erosion
control
so
and
DHEC
was
pretty
concerned
when
they
came
out
and
saw
it
that
the
the
kind
of
the
condition
of
the
marsh
out
there
with
people
pulling
kayaks
on
it
and
they
just
said
you
need
to
stay
out
of
it.
I
I
know
I
was
excited
myself,
that's
why
you
know
I
I
think
some
yeah
change
is
a
distraction.
We
we
actually
had
put
a
camera
out
there
and
some
signs
and
someone
stole
our
signs.
I
mean
I,
know
who
did
it
but
I
I
mean
I'm,
not
someone
who
calls
police
on
people,
but
you
know
it.
Just
we've
tried
a
handful
of
things.
A
So
to
answer
your
question
mayor
about
the
structure
on
Third
Avenue:
that's
that
garage
is
not
legally
sitting
on
private
property
that
is
sitting
on
a
public
right-of-way
that
conversation
got
was
struck
up
last
time
there
was
an
issue
with
Third
Avenue
before
this
board
or
this
body.
J
A
I
believe
the
the
registered
owner
of
the
lot
ending
in
eight
one
is
on
this
call
as
well
Andy
gowders
representing
him,
so
he
might
want
to
speak
to
what
Mr
gladstein
said
about
the
ownership.
Although
I
don't
know,
it's
really
the
appropriate
place
to
be
talking
about
that.
L
A
B
This
I
don't
want
to
get
neighbors
going
after
neighbors,
not
on
the
Public
Works
committee
meeting.
How
would
you
miss
Copeland
recommend
we
address
Mr
Galla
and
their
concerns
on
this
one?
Can
you
all
speak?
B
B
Defer
this
one,
let
our
attorneys
get
a
little
bit
more
information
on
some
of
the
questions.
We
asked
him
about
ownership
and
all
of
that
and
then
talk
about
this
at
the
next
meeting.
That's
my
recommendation
is
chair.
I
can't
make
that
motion.
It's.
B
All
right
is
anybody
going
to
second
that
motion
yeah.
K
I'll
second,
in
as
long
as
we
can
get
the
answer
to
that,
because
I
was
sort
of
interested
in
here
with
that
conversation
is
going
to
be
well.
B
B
H
B
D
Sir
I'm
gonna
let
Matt
with
Matt
and
I've,
been
working
on
this
and
Matt.
You
want
to
give
the
background
here
as
to
as
to
how
this
was
added
to
the
agenda.
I
think
the
requests.
G
D
Council,
member
Gregory
and
I
think
councilman,
where
you
may
have
had
a
question
regarding
this.
Also
so
Matt
give
a
little
on
this.
F
Yeah
yeah,
so
we
had
a
a
resident
who
was
elderly
medical
condition.
Had
a
contractor
come
out
mow
the
yard
didn't
haul
off
the
debris.
The
resident
called
in
stated
that
she
had
a
contractor.
F
The
debris
generate
to
debris,
and
you
know
we
explained
to
her
that
we,
we
don't
haul
contracted
debris
from
landscapers
or
contractors
off
that
the
contractor
or
landscaper
is
responsible
for
that
and
one
thing
led
to
another
and
next
thing:
I
know
you
know:
there's
calls
from
councilman
Parker
and
some
of
them
asking
for
us
to
revisit
this
contracted
debris.
Removal
process.
H
Pale
so
I
guess
the
theme
of
today's
Public,
Works
and
utilities
committee
meeting
is
privatizing
public
goods.
It's
a
it's
an
interesting
theme
to
have
I
think
contractors
need
to
take
care
of
their
own
business
and
the
city
shouldn't
be
providing
that
service
for
free.
It's
it's
astounding
how
much
we
do
for
free
around
this
city.
H
My
wife
grew
up
in
Atlanta
and
every
time
we're
walking
around
and
we
see
refrigerators
on
the
side
of
the
road,
and
you
don't
see
that
in
Sandy
Springs
you
don't
see
that
in
most
places
we're
already
extraordinarily
generous
with
what
we
do
for
free
when
it
comes
to.
You
know,
debris
removal
for
our
citizens.
We
do
not
need
to
be
doing
free
debris,
removal
for
businesses.
Are
you
kidding
me?
That's
my
comment.
B
K
K
Feel
very
bad
for
this.
Lady
I
spoke
to
her
sounds
like
she's
she's
struggled
with
an
illness
and
and
has
some
you
know,
steering
circumstances
and
I
just
feel
bad
for
her,
but
I
mean
I
I
have
to
agree
with
councilmember
Powell,
but
you
know
I
actually
just
kind
of
jogged.
K
My
memory
that
last
year
around
this
time
when,
when
things
started,
to
get
backed
up
from
a
whole
lot
of
a
whole
lot
of
yard,
waste
and
debris,
and
it
seemed
like
a
lot
of
it-
was
being
left
on
the
side
of
the
road
from
contractors
that
we
had
discussed
an
ordinance
to
limit
what
we
were
picking
up
and
I
was
just
kind
of
curious
I.
Think
we
had
asked
for
some
more
information
and
wanted
that
to
come
back
did.
Is
that
going
to
come
back
to
us?
Yes,.
D
I
can
address
that.
Yes,
sir
one
thing
you
may
recall,
when
we
did
talk
about,
we
had
some
pricing
involved
and
I.
Think
that
the
request
the
committee
we
went
back
and
looked
at
maybe
reducing
or
eliminating
some
of
those
costs.
So
we
we
are
Matt
and
I
are
very
close
and
we
will.
We
will
give
you
a
report
next
week
on
when
we
can
bring.
Actually
those
ordinance
changes
back,
I
would
think,
probably
maybe
sometime
in
May
Matt.
These
aren't
always
pretty
close,
because
all
we
got
to
do.
D
F
Yeah
I
agree
with
that
and
like
councilman,
appell
and
Bowden
said
that
you
know
if
we
start
picking
up
contract
debris,
we're
going
to
open
up
Pandora's
Box,
there's
there's
going
to
be
debris
everywhere
and
we're
already
short
staffed.
You
know
we
have
limited
amount
of
equipment.
I
spoke
with
Dan
riccio
in
livability,
and
you
know
he.
F
C
This
is
Matt
and
I
have
talked
about
this
in
the
past,
so
Matt.
When
these
these
contractors
they
have
to
be
no
more
and
be
licensed
and
and
right,
I
have
a
business
license
and
they're
informed.
Aren't
they
in
advance
about
their
obligations
to
they
go
out
there?
They
do
the
the
cleanup
and
the
the
lawn
work
and
they
were
they're
notified
in
advance
that
their
responsibility
is
to
haul
this
stuff
off
right.
F
That
is
correct,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
these
contractors
and
landscapers
build
in
the
fee
to
haul
this
stuff
off,
but
they
collect
that
extra
money
when
they
don't
haul
it
off,
so
they
don't
have
to
pay
the
landfill
so
they're
already
billing
a
lot
of
the
residents
that
money
and
not
hauling
it
off
because
they
leave
it
on
the
car
for
us.
So
that's
just
extra
income
in
in
their
bottom
line
and
I
I
think
this
will
actually
come
back
in
June.
F
We
actually
had
Ralph
Telus
looking
at
this
for
us
as
well
yeah.
G
B
Me
ask
this:
I
get
my
grass
cut
in
the
three
bags
of
clippings
out
front.
I
put
them
up
front,
the
city
carries
them.
I
hire
a
landscaper,
he
cuts
my
grass.
He
puts
three
bags
of
glass
grass
clippings
up
front.
Under
this
scenario,
the
landscaper
has
to
carry.
B
And
you
see,
that's
that's
the
part
that
I
think
you
know
we
live
in
an
aging
Community
I
mean
aging
of
America
is
just
flat
on
happening
and
I
to
me,
contracted
debris
seems
like
more
than
with
the
homeowner
himself
would
put
out
and
I
think
that's
the
gray
area
that
has
to
be
satisfied.
L
B
It
anymore
I
understand
when
you
have
over
abundance
and
stuff
the
normal
grass
clippings
out
I
think
people
paying
their
taxes
and
get
some
of
that
stuff
done
and
to
just
because
you
hire.
Let's
say
you
hide
the.
B
Was
in
the
business
cutting
grass
going
down
the
neighborhood?
Somehow
we
need
to
do
a
better
compromise
than
if
a
landscaper
cut
your
grass
and
put
the
same
amount
of
clippings
to
the
edge
that
was
done.
When
you
cut
it
yourself,
I,
don't
think
that
should
be
an
extra
expense
to
the
property.
B
Now
you
got
a
landscaper
coming
in
and
doing
business
taking
up
plants
putting
down
new
plants,
putting
the
old
plants
to
the
road
I'm
with
you
on
that,
okay,
you
cut
down
trees
and
you
stack
up
a
cut
up
tree
all
to
the
side
of
the
road
I'm
with
you
on
that,
but
I
guess
what
I?
How
do
we
determine
normal
yard
debris?
B
You
know
you
see
the
contractor
charges
extra
for
that
and
I
agree
with
you
on
that,
but
that
homeowners
also
paid
some
property
taxes
that
include
some
of
that
service
being
rendered.
How
can
we
cut
it
to
zero
and
continue
to
charge
the
same
amount
of
taxes.
F
B
B
K
S
yeah,
that's
that's
sort
of
what
I
was
getting
at
as
well.
I
was
just
curious
that
there's
got
to
be
some.
K
You
know
it
sounds
like
that's
what
we're
working
on
defining
in
the
ordinance
some
ordinary
waste
that
we
will
pick
up
and
I
think
that
just
typical
yard
waste
can
fall
under
that,
but.
G
K
I
mean
we
gotta
differentiate,
that
from
the
somebody's
getting
trees
cut
down
or
something
that's
that
company's
obviously
got
to
take
that
stuff
themselves
and-
and
you
know,
charge
accordingly,
so
I
think
I
think
this
ordinance,
when
it
comes
back,
will
differentiate
that.
So
thanks
for
thanks
for
that
update,
guys.
J
I
think
until
we
bring
the
matter
back,
okay,
good
in
June,
we
talked
about
this
before
I'll
I'll.
Just
note
that
you
know,
I
have
a
neighbor
elderly
lady
and
she
has
a
Landscaping
service.
Come
cutter
grass
they
put
about
two
bags
out
every
other
week.
You
know
of
clippings
and
you
designated
bags,
and
you
know
our
trash
collectors
would
never
know
whether
she
had
a
you
know
a
landscaper
doing
that
or
doing
it
herself
and
it's
not
a
you
know,
overbearing
amount.
J
So
so
it
seems
to
me
the
particularly
when
it
comes
to
yard
debris
that
it's
the
amount
that
we
have
to
maybe
focus
on.
Unless
it's
just
apparent,
you
know
that
some
contractors
doing
the
work
it
it.
It
seems
more
so
issue
to
me
where
it's
construction
debris
like
Lumber,
and
you
know
other
construction
type
debris
and
again
you
get
into
the
volume
of
it
because
I
know
contractors
who
are
wise
enough
to
keep
their
little
piles
out
there,
small
enough
to
where
it
doesn't
bring
any
attention.
In
fact,
I
know
a
landscaping.
J
I,
don't
know
him.
I
I
know
a
pile.
I
know
a
place
where
landscaper
puts
his
debris
and
it
gets
picked
up
by
the
city
and
it's
not
even
in
front
of
somebody's
yard.
You
know,
and
he
does
this
on
a
regular
basis.
I've
never
got
my
eye
on
him
and
I'll
walk
the
neighborhood
a
lot
but
I
I
wonder
how
much
of
that
kind
of
stuff
goes
on,
not
big
amounts,
but
he's
there
consistent.
You
know
always
putting
something
out
for
us
to
pick
up
when
he's
charging
somebody
else
for
it.
B
So
anyway,
we
stay
tuned
on
that
Mr
I'll
talk
until
you
bring
back
something
more
specific.
Thank
you.
Mr
Alta.
Now
each
one
update
on
South
Carolina
office
of
resilience,
ER
EA,
stormwater,
Mr,
fountain,.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
the
first
item
is
basically
an
update
on
a
grant
that
we
had
previously
approved
applying
for
through
the
South
Carolina
office
of
resilience,
their
arpa
funding,
which
they
assigned
for
stormwater
infrastructure
projects,
I've.
E
So
the
office
of
resilience
received
76
applications
for
this
arpa
funding.
They
ended
up
awarding
17
projects
for
about
50
million
dollars
of
funding
in
the
Barbara
wood.
Strange
Improvement
project
has
been
notified.
It
will
receive
4.6
million
dollars
of
that
available
funding.
So
the
the
map
on
the
right
is
where
the
projects
were
awarded
in
green.
E
B
Congratulations
on
that
man
I'm,
going
to
tell
you
some
years
ago
before
you
came
Mr
Fountain,
he
had
a
national
league
of
cities.
Meeting
in
DC
and
I
didn't
go,
but
council
member
Sheely
did
and
it
was.
You
know
you
may
remember,
Mr
Man
a
lot
of
talk
about
hiring
grant
writers
for
the
city
and
it's
certainly
has
been
paying
off.
I'll
put
it
like
that
appropriate
money,
not
to
do
just
that.
So
thank
you
so
much
these
people
over
strawberry.
They
need
to
help
I
know
we
need
more
money.
B
It
just
certainly
helps
get
us
down
the
path
of
what
we
need
to
kind
of
get
it
done
so
great
work
council,
member
Bowden,
well
I
saw
your
Hannah.
B
No
problem
any
other
comments,
all
right,
Mr,
Fountain,
great
work,
H2.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
this
is
just
a
brief
update
on
a
completed
project
for
our
check
valve
program.
E
This
was
an
installation
of
one
very
large
check
valve
one
of
the
largest
one:
we've
installed
60
inches
in
diameter
and
then
a
smaller
secondary
check
valve
in
the
flooding
that
occurs
on
Washington
Street
near
the
entrance
to
Union
Pier
as
you
come
through
Laurens.
So
we
did
complete
installing
these
check
valves.
It's
a
collaborative
project
where
the
South
Carolina,
Ports,
Authority
and
CWS
both
contributed
equally
into
this
project
about
what
the
city's
matching
and
it's
its
side
of
the
project.
E
Obviously
there's
a
benefit
of
CWS
for
reducing
pressure
on
their
sewer
system
and
their
sanitary's.
Whoever
flow
risk
benefit
to
the
port
and
that
this
road
also
serves
as
access
into
the
port
property
and
a
benefit
to
the
city
is
that's
a
an
intersection
that
still
sees
quite
a
bit
of
traffic
and
has
some
housing
Chase
into
it.
So
we've
installed
those
seemed
pretty
dry.
E
This
morning
we
will
be
continuing
to
check
on
it
to
see
if
there's
any
smaller
side
pipes
that
we
didn't
catch
until
you
know
we
installed
the
the
base
protection,
but
yeah
early
indications
are
good,
I
think
it's
always
nice
to
highlight
these
projects
because
it
you
know,
we
had
a
almost
eight
foot
tied
last
night
and
really
only
had
two
major
road
closures
in
the
city
where,
if
you
think
back
to
five
or
ten
years
ago,
we
used
to
have
seven
foot
Tides
a
whole
foot
lower
that
would
shut
off
huge
portions
of
the
peninsula.
E
So
getting
a
long
long
way,
with
a
lot
of
the
work
that
Mr
newham's
done
and
identifying
locations
for,
check,
valves
and
trying
to
keep
those
streets
open
for
us,
yeah.
E
This
is
expensive
because
of
the
size
of
those
valves.
That's
why
we
did
a
cost
sharing
agreement,
so
this
is
about
a
300
000
project,
but
we
have
CWS
contributing
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
the
port
contributed
100
000.
So
we
leveraged
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
city
funding.
To
do
this,
work
right.
B
G
B
E
Appreciate
it
Mr,
chairman
and
I
think
the
fact
that
those
other
entities
were
so
willing
to
contribute
that
kind
of
money.
It
shows
how
much
value
there
is
in
these
projects,
because
you're
right,
if
you
tried
to
build
a
pump
station
or
do
something
else
to
handle
that
flooding
you'd,
be
spending
millions
of
dollars.
That's
right,
rather
than
a
few
hundred
thousand.
B
J
You
Mr
chairman
and
just
to
pile
on
a
little
more.
You
know
Charleston
Water
Service.
They
save
money
over
Long
Haul,
because
these
check
valves
prevent
some
of
this
tidal
water
from
getting
into
the
sewer
system
in
other
places.
So
that's
less
water
that
they
have
to
just
process
over
at
Plum,
Island
right,
it's
a
good
deal
for
them
and
then
I
just
want
to
shout
out
to
the
port
authority
and
to
miss
Melvin,
because
I
made
the
requests
I
bet
a
year
ago
way
before
the
Union
Pier.
J
You
know
projecting
project
coming
forward
and
I
I.
Let
her
know
the
cost
of
this
thing
and
ask
her
if
she
would
share
a
third
of
of
the
cost
of
it
and
and
she
didn't
even
blink
an
eye.
She
said
no
problem
we'll
be
glad
to
cover
our
share
and
I.
Think
it
just
shows
a
you
know:
a
willingness
on
their
part
even
beyond
what
might
happen
with
the
future
of
Union
Pier
to
take
action.
J
Now,
if
there's
any
reasonable
improvements
that
can
be
made,
you
know
they
they
put
their
money
where
the
mouth
is
so
I.
I
want
to
thank
her
and
the
Port
Authority
for
being
our
partner
on
this.
B
Okay,
okay,
I
agree
with
you.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
observation
up
any
final
comments
beyond
beyond
that.
We
had
a
great
meeting
look
forward
to
seeing
all
of
you
all
tomorrow.