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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 4/12/2021
C
That's
what
I
was
saying:
I
I
never
even
knew
the
memorial
was
there.
Probably
the
first,
you
know
I
when
was
it
built
on
mary,
it's
about
20
years
old.
Isn't
it
okay,
so
it
was.
It
was
after
I
came
to
charleston
a
lot.
My
first
career
reasons
to
come
here
but
yeah.
I
think,
the
first
five
years
that
that
our
daughter
lived
downtown.
I
never
knew
it
existed
so,
but
I
take
everything
it's
just
at.
A
The
intersection
of
calhoun
in
meeting
street
right
facing
south
to
the
right-hand
side,
you
have
the
holocaust
memorial
to
the
left-hand
side.
You
have
the
memorial
to
the
mother,
emmanuel
victims
and
it's
sort
of
it's
sort
of
what
any
time
you
cross
that
intersection.
You
can't
help
but
think
about
those
two
memorials
and
those
events
that
occurred,
and
this
is
to
me
it's
always
just
a
good
reminder
of
man's
inhumanity.
A
A
D
D
A
You
almighty,
father.
We
ask
for
your
blessings
on
this
beautiful
day
in
charleston
south
carolina.
We
ask
that
you
bless
each
and
every
one
of
us,
your
public
servants,
that
you
keep
in
mind
those
folks
who
are
always
on
the
front
lines,
and
we
are
mindful
almighty.
God
of
the
strife
in
our
country,
as
we
are
reminded
of
another
shooting
of
a
young
man
involving
police
officers,
help
us
heal
from
that
tragedy.
Help
us
move
forward
from
that
tragedy.
D
Councilman
approval
of
the
minister
february,
2nd
and
march
8th
march,
22nd
being
deferred,
probably
moved.
Is
there
a
second
out
there
exactly
any
questions
on
those
minutes?
Hearing
that
all
in
favor,
please
say:
hi,
hi,
all
right,
good,
you're
down
to
item
e
acceptance
and
dedication
or
rights
away.
G
D
G
F
G
F
F
Yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
this
is
full
circle.
I
actually
served
on
this
selection
committee.
It
was
one
of
the
first
committees
I
served
on
after
being
elected
to
city
council,
and
we
took
it
very
very
seriously,
and
you
know
it's
not
a
very
big
bridge,
but
it
has
a
lot
of
traffic
that
goes
through
it,
and
one
thing
that
I'm
really
excited
about.
F
So
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
great
project
so
looking
forward
to
it-
and
I
believe
it's
going
to
also,
if
I
remember
correctly-
create
some
really
good
transportation
options
for
people
that
want
to
bike
and
walk,
it's
going
to
fix
a
lot
of
those
right-of-ways
there
and
create
new
sidewalks,
and
it's
going
to
really
enhance
that.
That
bridge
has
been
in
disrepair
for
for
many
many
years,
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
big
step
in
the
right
direction
for
our
great
constituents
out
there
on
daniel
island.
D
H
Thank
you.
I
I
wanted
y'all
to
know
that
we
are
the
proud
owners
of
12
different
bridges
in
our
city
and
I'm
not
sure
how
we
came
by
to
own
these
things,
but
this
is
an
example
that,
frankly
long
term
it's
a
responsibility
of
ours,
but
it's
also
a
liability
when
they
need
to
be
replaced
and
repaired.
H
But
the
the
downside
of
all
this
I
just
want
to
share
with
my
colleagues
here
is
that
we
have
no
dedicated
funding
source
to
replace
and
build
bridges,
and
so
we're
reliant
on
either
general
funds
or
grant
monies
until
such
time
as
a
state
legislature
allows
us
some
mechanism
by
which
we
can
help
fund
improvements
to
our
roadways,
for
paving
for
bridges
and
and
so
forth.
So
it's
just
a
little
bit
of
reality
bite
of
reality
here
that
we
we
need
to
think
about.
For
our
future,
thanks.
G
G
Kevin
mitchell
was
very
helpful
and
I
told
the
mayor
and
we
now
in
our
inventory,
we
have
a
record
of
our
last
inspections,
which
d.o.t
has
done
for
us
and
also
the
record
of
the
next
professions,
but
more
importantly,
d.o.t
has
taken
what
I
think
is
a
more
global
look
on
potentially
helping
with
funding
for
replacement
and
repairs
of
these
bridges.
They
started
early.
G
This
spring
we
had
a
general
meeting
with
some
members
of
d.o.t
and
keith
benjamin's
staff
and
some
stuff,
so
we're
looking
at,
hopefully
working
as
a
joint
effort,
as
the
mayor
said,
because
there's
really
no
money
put
aside
for
this
and
also
I've
been
working
with
rich
giroud
and
I've
got
cherry
and
we're
looking
as
the
president's
infrastructure
bill
comes
to
fruition
to
see
what
potential
is
there
for
funding
for
us
to
get
ready
to
do
these
things.
But
it's
very
important.
G
The
mayor
said:
you
know
for
a
city
or
size,
12
bridges,
some
of
them
aren't
very
big.
You
know
some
of
them,
like
the
magnolia
bridge,
are
pretty
substantial,
so
we
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have.
We
maintain
these.
They
don't
get
the
state
of
disrepair.
Then
we
have
the
money
to
repair
them
as
we
go
along.
D
G
One
thing
I
can
tell
you,
mr
waring,
a
lot
of
these
bridges
several
on
daniel
island,
obviously
with
the
cretes
on
daniel
island
there
to
connect
portions
of
daniel
island
islands
over
there
and
little
peninsulas
that
are
to
make
them
developable
and
they're
part
of
the
roadway
actually
infrastructure
over
there.
The
magnolia
bridge
was
the
same
way
as
the
magnolia
project
is,
is
starting
to
get
really
moving
in
the
right
direction.
That'll
be
a
main
thoroughfare
to
that
activity.
G
D
Yeah,
I
understand
that,
but
I
wonder
how
do
we
prevent
that
from
happening
again?
In
other
words,
if
we
annex
a
piece
of
property
and
begin
to
develop
another
piece
of
property,
we
need
to
bridge
over
the
creek.
Why
don't
we
apply
to
the
highway
department
for
that
or
even
the
county?
For
that
or
some
combination
thereof?
D
E
E
B
G
B
B
G
Pushing
off
a
little
bit,
this
is
the
design
contract
which
is
going
to
take
probably
six
to
eight
months.
You
know
I
would
if,
if
we
would
do
that,
the
bridge,
you
know
we
did
have
to
put
a
plate
on
there,
because
there
was
some
damage
to
the
substructure
and
it's
it's
passable
now,
but
we
have
a
weight
limit
on
it
and
I
would
have
some
concern
if
we
didn't
proceed
at
least
ahead
with
the
design
of
the
project,
maybe
the
construction,
but
it
would
put
us
back.
G
H
I
think
he
took
a
phone
call,
but
I'll
just
say
I
add
to
that.
If
I
may,
the
chairman,
the
remarks
I've
heard
ever
since
the
inspections
were
done
on
this
bridge
were
of
the
nature
that
which
led
to
us
putting
the
plate
on
it
to
support,
to
support
it
and
reducing
the
weight.
It
really
should
be
replaced
with,
with
all
reasonableness
of
moving
forward.
G
G
I
finished
with
y'all,
but
I
the
ma
the
mayor's
right.
We
we
really
need
to
proceed
with
this,
I
think
and
then
and
move
forward
because
it
could
put
us
back
and
and
that
that
access
to
daniel
island
over
there,
if
we
were
to
have
that
bridge,
go
out,
could
be
a
pretty
major
concern
to
the
citizens
of
daniel
island,
understood.
D
But
as
we
go
forward
with
this
design
phase,
I
think
we
will
today
is
this
something
we
can,
in
particular,
depending
on
how
this
infrastructure
built
unfolds,
put
a
shovel
ready
project,
that's
being
pretty
much
shovel
ready
to
move
forward
with
with
a
transportation
infrastructure
request.
I
think
this
is
something
we
should
at
least
consider
anyway.
G
A
G
G
A
G
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
check
each
one
individually,
someone
on
john's
island
and
a
couple
of
them
on
daniel
island.
I
know
were
city
streets
and
but
I
I'll
send
you,
I
can
send
you
a
report.
Mr
say
we
have
the
actual
inventory
and
I'll
check,
whether
they're,
actually
city
or
straight.
I
think
most
of
the
ones
on
our
list
are
city
maintained,
roads.
G
E
F
Okay,
okay,
but
I'm
sure
that,
with
these
lists
of
projects
like
you
were
talking
about
how
we're
allocating
our
general
fund
reserve
with
this,
you
know
something
that
we
expected
the
entire
expense
to
go
into
this
year
or
we're
just
saying
the
lifetime
of
this
particular
bridge
project.
We're
going
to
have
that
allocation
there
to
cover
it.
E
F
Well,
my
my
my
thought
is:
maybe,
since
we've
got
some
time
and
we're
doing
the
engineering
now,
maybe
in
the
meantime
we
reach
back
out
to
dot
and
see
if
they
can
help
us
with
some
of
the
costs
on
the
the
actual
building
of
the
bridge.
You
know
the
engineering
is
only
a
very
small
portion
compared
to
the
addition
1.3.
If
it's
a
shared
road,
you
know,
maybe
we
can
all
put
our
heads
together
and
see
if
they'll
help
us
out
a
little
bit
with
some
of
these
bridges,
especially
you
know.
F
G
D
I
The
very
moment
that
there's
a
shutdown
on
don
hope
or
otherwise,
all
that
truck
traffic
takes
that
way
to
get
through
daniel
island
neighborhood
streets
to
get
back
onto
526.,
it's
extremely
dangerous.
The
worst
of
the
worst
can
happen
so
the
opportunity
to
address
that
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
think
we
can.
We
can't
ignore
that
right.
I
just
that's
what
about.
I
I
If
you
remember
a
couple
of
years
ago,
we
approached
you
all,
because
the
d.o.t
was
expressing
sorry,
I'm
getting
a
little
bit
feedback,
but
was
discussing
a
buy-back
program
where
they
would
bring
certain
roads
up
to
a
state
of
good
repair
at
a
certain
number,
with
a
40-year
buyout.
And
otherwise
we
haven't
heard
updates
back
from
scdlt
and
columbia
about
that.
But
I
think
it
all
does
need
to
be
explored
in
significant
ways,
especially
because
we
have
a
lot
of
as
you
all
just
voted
on.
I
We're
taking
on
infrastructure,
literally
monthly
and
there's
infrastructure
that
maybe
a
couple
years
ago,
we
weren't
as
concerned
about
because
it
was
newer
that
we're
going
to
have
to
navigate
and
figure
out
whether
that's
repaving,
whether
that's
bridge
repair
or
whether
that's
other
things
like
we
just
thankfully,
because
of
the
help
of
bfrc
we're
able
to
do
new
signalization
at
island
park
and
fairchild.
That
was
not
state
money
that
was
leveraged
city
funds
from
governor's
park
that
went
into
making
that
intersection
happen.
D
J
D
K
K
K
K
K
K
All
right
so
tom,
let
me
go
over
some
things:
real,
quick!
So
right
now
our
diesel
trucks
are
costing
us
about
290
thousand
dollars
per
truck.
The
electric
trucks
are
quite
more
expensive
and
usually
run
about
625
000
for
the
rear
load.
Like
we're
purchasing,
we
submitted
the
grant
application
for
521
000,
which
comes
with
12
year
warranty,
and
it's
about
45
percent
of
the
purchase
price
of
the
trucks.
K
Currently
we're
paying
about
58
000
dollars
a
a
per
truck
over
an
eight-year
period
and
about
116
000
for
the
two
trucks
that
we'd
be
replacing
over
an
eight
year
period.
These
electric
trucks
would
reduce
that
energy
costs.
Well,
that
was
fuel.
Excuse
me
this.
These
trucks
would
reduce
that
cost
to
around
11
000
or
23
000
for
the
both
of
them,
and
that
that's
the
pretty
much
the
price
of
the
electricity
to
run
it
and
then
we'd
see
a
60
reduction.
K
Maintenance
cost
right
now
we're
averaging
about
110
thousand
dollars
a
truck
over
an
eight
year
period.
So
that's
about
221
thousand
dollars
for
two
trucks.
Over
that
same
period,
the
reduction
would
put
it
down
to
about
forty
four
thousand
dollars
per
truck
over
an
eight
year
period
compared
to
the
hundred
and
ten
so
you're.
Looking
at
about
eighty
eight
thousand
dollar
difference.
K
They
would
be
used
on
the
peninsula
and
there's
zero
emission,
no
noise
pollution
and
no
hydraulics,
so
there
wouldn't
be
any
hydraulic
leaks,
less
environmental
impact
standing
on
the
roads,
etc,
for
if
we
do
have
an
oil
leak
or
hydraulic
leak.
Now
these
trucks
have
zero
fluid
in
it
other
than
windshield
wiper
fluid
and
have
radiator
fluids
in
them.
That's
just
to
cool
the
batteries.
That's
it
there's
no
other
fluid
in
the
truck
at
all.
But
those
are
some
of
the
key
features
of
this.
K
K
So
these
trucks,
about
about
12
years,
we
have
a
they'll,
come
with
a
12
year
warranty.
So
if
anything
happens
to
the
batteries
or
anything,
it
will
be
replaced
under
warranty.
So
I
mean
12
years
plus
is
definitely
not
out
of
the
question
compared
to
our
replacement
program.
Right
now
is
at
eight,
so
we're
going
to
be
extending
that
program
for
about
four
years.
K
A
K
Yeah,
that's
something
that's
feasible
for
sure
right
now,
they're
going
to
get
about
120
miles
and
that's
going
to
increase
as
the
technology.
I
mean
it's
still
new
technology,
so
as
the
technology
continues
to
develop,
the
range
on
these
vehicles
are
just
going
to
improve
and
and
get
better.
So
you
know
in
a
couple
years
you
know
we
may
be
getting
240
miles
out
of
them.
Instead
of
120.
A
I
hate
to
say
every
day,
but
that's
some
consideration,
but
certainly
where
we
were
five
years
ago
on
electronic
vehicles
and
where
we're
going
to
go,
it's
just
moving
at
a
very
rapid
graphic
pace.
Okay,
you
know,
I
think
the
major
or
that
gm
is
planning
on
2035
a
fully
a
full
fleet
electronic
vehicle.
So
it'd
be
wonderful
to
obtain
these
things.
I
saw
a
process
in
the
city
of
charleston.
I
mean
just
just
the
the
noise
level
reduction
would
be
a
huge
step
for
livability
in
our
communities.
F
Councilman
griffin,
yes,
sir,
I
think
that
this
approach
that
we're
taking
going
through
a
grant,
because
it
is
a
good
first
step
because,
as
you,
you
probably
gotten
calls
like,
I
have
people
see
that
price
tag
and
how
much
more
expensive
this
particular
truck
is,
and
that
throws
them
back.
But
if
we
can
get
the
grant
and
we
can
cut
the
price
in
half
and
then
you
look
at
the
amount
of
money
that
you're
going
to
save
over
the
life
of
the
truck,
we're
actually
going
to
save
our
taxpayers,
money,
which
is
great.
F
But
you
know
everybody
looks
at
that
big
number
in
the
beginning
and
it
you
know,
scares
them.
You
know,
especially
with
the
kind
of
financial
shape,
that
we
have
to
have
tough
decisions
and
have
tough
talks
every
single
meeting.
But
you
know
I
think
this
is
a
great
approach,
because
if
we
can
get
this
grant,
it
makes
it
a
lot
more
reasonably
priced
and
then
it
gives
you
know
kind
of
two
trucks
for
us
to
go
out
there
and
show
our
people.
F
You
know
how
great
they're
going
to
be,
but
you
know,
unfortunately,
you
know
because
electric
is
more
expensive,
there's
a
lot,
a
lot
of
people
that
are
just
skeptical
at
the
high
prices.
So
I
love
the
approach
that
we're
taking.
I
think
this
is
a
smart
way
to
do
it
and
we're
going
to
let
these
trucks
kind
of
speak
for
themselves,
or
you
know
they're
going
to
be
so
quiet
you're,
not
even
going
to
know
they're
coming
down
the
street,
but
the
lack
of
noise
will
speak
for
themselves.
D
So
you
bring
an
interesting
point:
councilman
griffin.
Maybe
we
need
to
have
a
press
release
on
this,
mr
mayor,
so
we
can
get
the
full
story
out,
as
opposed
to,
because
I
saw
that
story.
You
saw
councilman
griffin
that
didn't
speak
to
the
grant.
I
think
I
think
when
when
one
does
come,
hopefully
we
put
the
we
put
our
message
out
on
this.
I
think
it'd
be
good.
H
H
K
H
K
K
K
So
we
should
hear
sometime
in
july
whether
we
get
approved
or
not,
and
then
we
would
look
forward
to
putting
that
in
the
budget
for
2022
I've
been
working
closely
with
amy
and
andrew
and
her
group
sharian
to
get
that
in
there
and
then
they
would
be
purchased
next
year.
I
guess,
beginning
january
or
something
of
next
year,
there's
a
it
takes
about
three
to
six
months
to
put
one
of
these
vehicles
together
at
this
at
this
time,
so
we
probably
take
delivery
of
it.
You
know
july
september
of
next
year.
K
K
D
K
D
F
K
I've
had
some
conversations
over
the
weekend
with
some
outside
parties
that
landfill
is
probably
going
to
be
privatized
fairly
shortly.
They
are
working
on
getting
that
together
and
they're
going
to
put
that
out
for
bid
pretty
quickly.
I
think
from
what
I'm
hearing
and
that
they're
going
to
privatize
that
and
county's
going
to
be
out
of
the
landfill
business.
G
D
C
Thanks,
I'm
all
for
it.
I
we're
not
ready
to
bring
to
the
public
works
committee.
The
idea
that
we've
been
trying
to
jumpstart
here
on
james
island
to
consolidate
trash
routes,
collection
routes
with
james
island,
psd,
so
mom's,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
make
really
good
progress
on
that
this
month
and
hopefully
bring
it
to
our
last.
E
C
D
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
we
we
do
have
on
the
agenda.
Just
a
brief
update
for
the
committee
that
we
we
are
meeting
with
the
task
force
to
discuss
the
stormwater
manual,
primarily
this
thursday,
at
3
pm,
and
that's
bringing
kind
of
the
original
band
back
together,
as
they
say,
from
the
original
stormwater
task
force,
councilman
shade
being
a
member
and
councilman
jackson
as
well.
J
J
While
we
have
the
group
together
for
the
manual,
we
are
going
to
bring
up
the
recommendations
that
councilman
griffin
had
for
fill
restrictions
and
see
what
some
input
is
from
the
task
force,
both
on
the
idea
of
potentially
removing
an
option
to
do
slab
on
grade
foundations
in
the
floodplain
as
well
as
well
as
seeing
if
there
are
any
other
approaches
that
people
think
might
be
a
strong
solution.
It's
pretty
diverse
task
force.
So
it's
a
good
good
place
to
have
that
discussion.
J
We're
also
going
to
go
over
one
of
the
departmental
recommendations,
the
staff
recommendations
of
looking
at
small
lot
grading
standards.
So
when
you're
building
like
an
individual
single
family
house,
not
a
track,
not
a
track,
build
subdivision,
but
an
individual
home
or
if
you're,
building
a
very
small
commercial
site
right
now,
we
really
have
very
minimal
restrictions
on
those
sites.
J
From
how
your
grading
looks,
we
have
had
a
number
of
complaints,
even
since
the
new
manual
where
people
have
come
and
basically
filled
in
their
backyards
to
such
an
extent
they
really
impact
neighborhood
drainage,
the
state
just
kind
of
went
the
other
way
in
the
new
state
regulation.
They
actually
have
basically
exempted
stormwater
regulation
on
anything
up
to
an
acre
in
size.
J
They
actually
went
larger
with
their
statewide
exemptions
from
stormwater
regulation,
where
we're
kind
of
looking
to
try
to
bring
that
number
smaller
again
different
kind
of
different
priorities,
but
we
do
want
to
make
it
something:
that's
relatively
simple
and
straightforward
and
doesn't
involve.
Like
a
you
know,
huge
amount
of
engineering
for
building
like
one
individual
single-family
home,
for
instance,
where
you're
making
that
really
really
challenging.
J
So
that's
something
we
want
to
discuss
with
the
task
force
and
then
the
last
one
is
that
update
to
the
state,
and
it's
called
the
construction
general
permit
for
the
state,
but
basically
it's
the
large-scale
permit
that
sets
minimum
standards.
Everyone
has
to
comply
with
in
the
states.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
our
manual
is
also
in
compliance
with
those
minimum
standards.
J
A
J
Yeah
counselor
griffin,
you're
right
it
is
april,
is
sort
of
our
roughly
three
month
period
from
the
first
test,
the
stormwater
authority
meeting.
So
we
do
need
to
get
another
one
of
those
scheduled.
I've
been
talking
with
russell
huggins
over
at
cws
to
try
to
get
a
group
set
up
and
schedule
to
come
back
out
and
do
that
as
well.
So
you're
right.
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
this
this
is
just
an
update
for
the
the
committee
on
this
project
and
that
it's
gonna
be
a
relatively
high
visibility
project
in
the
area.
We're
kind
of
right
at
the
intersection
of
two
of
the
major
streets
in
in
the
peninsula,
the
cross
street
of
eugene,
obviously
the
north
south
highway
for
king
street.
We
did
want
to
update
you
that
we're
looking
for
a
notice
to
proceed
date
now
of
next
monday.
J
The
april
19th,
so
that'll
be
the
date
where
the
contractor's
contract
time
officially
starts
running
on
the
project
and
we'll
look
to
see
them
mobilizing
for
traffic
control
and
impact.
Shortly
thereafter,
we've
basically
been
working
recently
with
the
contractor
gulfstream
our
engineer,
jmd,
cws
and
dot,
as
well
as
the
the
city,
traffic
and
transportation,
to
modify
the
traffic
control
plan
for
that
project.
J
They
will
not
start
until
7
30
pm
so
after
afternoon
rush
hour,
and
then
they
will
continue
until
6
a.m
and
the
road
will
have
to
be
fully
reopened
at
6
00
a.m.
Each
day.
So
it's
going
to
be
full
night
operations
for
lane
closures
and
road
closures
on
the
project,
and
we
did
this
basically
in
coordination
with
the
local
schools,
churches
and
d.o.t,
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
the
best
way
to
minimize
the
actual,
like
day-to-day
impacts
on
traffic
flow
and
then
the
operation
of
those
kind
of
important
institutions
in
the
area.
J
So
we've
coordinated
that
that
plan
with
the
schools,
with
the
churches,
with
the
city
with
dot
and
we're
actually
in
the
process
of
handing
out
over
400
flyers
to
the
local
residents
to
make
sure
they're
aware
of
the
traffic
shift,
but
it
will
be,
it
will
be
about
four
months
we'll
be
moving
through
four
phases
of
traffic.
I've
got.
I
have
the
flyer:
if
anyone
wants
to
look
at,
I
can
pull
it
up
on
my
shared
screen.
It
basically
just
shows
the
detour
routes.
J
Can
you
send
it
to
us
yeah?
I
can
also
email
it
out
to
you
all.
That's
a
great
idea:
I've
coordinated
with
councilman,
sacran
and
mitchell
on
it
already
so
they're
up
to
speed
on
the
disruptions.
We
think
it's
going
to
be
relatively
minor
because
of
the
evening
traffic
will
be
certainly
less
traffic
coming
through
those
side
streets,
but
it's
not
zero,
but
it's
an
important
project.
J
We
just
want
to
make
sure
everyone's
aware
that
if
you,
if
you
have
any
concerns
or
complaints,
the
flyer
includes
the
project
manager
on
the
project
and
contact
information
for
mr
joe
swaim.
So
we
can
try
to
address
any
of
those
issues,
but
if
you
have
any,
please
certainly
send
them
on
to
us
as
well
and
we'll
try
to
make
sure
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
limit
disruption
for
people.
D
J
Part
of
part
of
the
advantage
of
doing
it
this
way,
the
original
the
original
contract
had
some
had
a
combination
of
daytime
and
nighttime
work
on
different
sections
of
different
streets
because
of
eugene
king
being
under
different
rules.
That
was
originally
expected
to
take
at
least
six
months,
because
you
had
to
basically
be
opening
and
closing
things
so
quickly.
I
mean
and
working
only
in
a
single
lane,
rather
than
being
able
to
close
a
section
of
the
street
the
revised
plan,
this
plan,
we
think
we
can
do
in
four
months.
J
D
F
D
F
L
Sir,
and
I
enjoyed
meeting
you
the
other
last
month
over
at
chatham
all
right,
you
had
an
issue.
We
bought
our
house
and
locked
more
terrace.
We
moved
out
to
shadow
moss
little
house
right
there,
a
little
plane,
simple,
modern,
little
house.
We
moved
out
there
about
to
december.
I
believe
2009-
and
this
is-
I
don't-
have
a
pointer
here,
but
this
is
the
neighborhood
in
the
street,
my
home,
here's
a
lot
more
terrace.
L
I
can't
see
the
pointer,
but
it
runs
down
to
the
golf
course
a
short
street
there
and
there
is
an
easement
10
foot
eastman
on
the
rear
side
of
each
of
the
property
lines
for
storm
water,
overhead
and
underground
electric
gas.
All
that
type
of
thing
telephone
we
moved
out
there
in
december
of
2009,
and
shortly
thereafter
we
got
some
nice
heavy
rains,
and
this
is
my
backyard
after
that
rain.
In
february
february,
1st
of
2010.,
that
fence
is
at
the
rear
of
my
property.
The
property
behind
me,
you
see.
L
Part
of
history
is
high
and
dry
his
lot
drains
down
to
the
supposed
easement
and
then
partially
floods,
my
yard.
So
that
was
looking
to
the
rear
lot
line,
which
includes
the
drainage
easement.
Another
pick
of
my
rear
yard.
When
we
moved
in
little
shed,
we
had
just
taken
out
got
rid
of
some
plywood,
but
that's
the
yard.
L
After
a
rainstorm,
okay,
okay,
so
I
called
the
seller,
he
told
me
that
the
neighbor
next
door,
her
husband
or
ex-husband,
had
put
a
garden
shed
in
his
yard,
put
a
bunch
of
construction
sand
in
there
and
that
blocked
the
easement
and
he
just
ran
a
bilge
pump
to
pump
the
water
out
of
the
rear
yard
and
not
willing
to
agree
with
that.
I
went
down
to
the
city
engineering
office.
It
was
still
at
the
school
board
building
and
met
with
mr
del
porto.
L
He
came
out
to
the
to
the
large
yard.
Looked
at
it
and
said
that
the
easement
wasn't
anything
he
could
do,
because
the
former
owner
of
my
property
had
put
the
shed
in
the
easement
and
the
next
door
neighbor's
shed
was
in
the
eastman.
I
told
him
I'd
get
mine,
I
tear
mine
down
and
remove
it.
He
wanted
me
to
get
the
neighbor
to
remove
her
shed.
He
didn't
want
to
mess
with
the
divorcee
lady
next
door
next
door.
L
I
told
them
that
wasn't
my
job
and
that
just
wasn't
acceptable
and
they
started
to
die
okay,
so
here's
my
shed
in
the
neighbor
shed.
I
tore
mine
down
a
few
years
later.
The
neighbor
removed
her
shed,
maybe
six
years
later-
and
at
that
point
I
decided.
Okay,
maybe
I
can
start
this
up
again,
but
in
the
meantime
my
solution
has
been
to
run
a
bill.
L
500
gallon
per
hour,
bilge
pump
with
200
feet
of
hose
and
a
battery
that
I
replace
every
24
hours
and
it
takes
48
hours,
sometimes
to
pump
the
water
out
of
the
yard.
I
admit
it
doesn't
pump
500
gallons
an
hour
with
200
feet
of
hose,
but
it's
probably
I've
calculated,
probably
between
sometimes
700
to
a
thousand
gallons
after
a
rainstorm
hitting
my
yard
and
the
yard
behind
me.
D
L
So
after
the
neighbor
moved
her,
she
had
a
few
years
later,
I
took
up
this
crusade
again
and
I
met
with
the
mr
matt
fountain.
I
believe
he's
here
today
and
councilman
griffin.
They
were
nice
enough
to
come
over
and
look
at
the
situation
and
they,
mr
fountain,
said
that
he
needed
to
send
the
surveyor
over
to
actually
see
where
the
easement
was,
and
it
turns
out
it
wasn't
exactly
where
I
thought
it
was.
It
was
a
little
bit
deeper
on
on
the
surrounding
lots.
L
At
some
point
I
was
told
I
don't
remember
who
that
with
the
survey
are
coming,
the
fences
might
be
in
the
way
in
in
the
side
of
my
yard,
so
I
actually
took
my
fence
down,
so
we
could
try
to
get
a
resolution
to
this.
So
I
put
fence
back
up.
The
surveyor
came
and
marked
the
lock
corners
marked
the
easement.
L
The
eastwood
should
run
down
to
the
drainage,
ditch
on
the
the
northwest.
I
guess
side
of
number
11
on
the
golf
course:
okay,
so
there's
the
drainage
easement
in
my
yard
and
the
fence
there.
That's
the
rear,
neighbor's
fence.
Actually
that
corner
of
his
fence
is
on
the
lot
line.
It
should
be
10
feet
into
his
yard.
L
You
know
basically
where
the
soccer
goal
lives,
but
actually
the
middle
of
the
easement
is
up
through
that
stand
of
trees.
Okay,
going
up
right
through
that
way.
In
any
event,
there
you
go,
there's
my
there's
my
drainage
system
right
now
and
let's
say
it
takes
48
hours
to
drain
my
yard.
So
let's
move
we're.
11
years
later
we
talked
with
the
city
about
properly
grade
the
easement.
L
The
city
said
basically,
and
I
want
to
decide
my
yard
and
have
jesus,
and
I
was
told
it
was
too
expensive.
One
suggestion
was
that
I
tie
into
a
french
drain
that
my
neighbor
had
built.
I
don't
want
to
do
that
because
I
don't
want
to
be
tied
into
maintenance
cost
of
her
drainage
system.
That's
not
my
job.
L
My
suggestion
was
that
the
city
abandoned
the
eastman.
Actually,
I
think
the
easement
is
and
has
been
abandoned
for
for
neglect,
and
I
would
grade
my
yard,
install
a
sump
pump
and
run
it
underground
to
the
street,
but
I'm
not
going
to
allow
my
neighbor
behind
me
to
drain
across
my
yard,
I'm
going
to
put
a
sheet
pile
in
at
the
property
line
and
he
can
keep
his
water
I'm
not
paying
to
drain
that
anyway.
We
just
we're
kind
of
at
impasse,
and
here
I
am
now
this
was
last
month
after
the
rain.
L
Here's
my
yard
five
and
a
half
inches
deep,
took
two
days
to
drain
out
with
the
pump
running
24
hours
a
day.
You
know
it's
been
11
years
see.
I
hate
your
problem.
I
hate
you
ask
for
help,
you
know-
and
I
don't
understand
I
mean
listen.
You
all
got
all
kind
of
expenses
and
maybe
this
is
minor
to
y'all
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things.
But
this
is
major
to
me
and
my
wife.
I
mean
we
feel
like
it's
a
take
take-in
without
compensation,
we
pay
taxes,
I
pay
stormwater
fees.
L
D
D
J
Basically,
we
we
did
look
that
if
there
is
a
drainage
easement
on
the
plats,
certainly
the
original,
for
whatever
reason
the
original
developer
either
did
not
build
the
noted
drainage
swell.
Obviously,
the
homes
don't
look
quite
old
enough
for
their
to
have
been
that
level
of
tree
growth
and
and
berm
creation.
J
But
we
looked
at
saying:
okay,
here's
where
basically
here's
where
the
easement
is,
here's
what
we
could
use
to
drain
out
the
the
property
we
put
that
in
as
a
potential
small
project
in
last
year's
fall
project
allocation
because
of
the
trees.
We
did
talk
with
some
contractors.
We
think
it's
probably
in
excess
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
remove
that
level
of
trees
behind
the
homes
because
of
the
adjacency
to
the
homes.
J
At
that
point,
I
think
there
had
been
a
question
of
what
the
likelihood
of
funding
was
for
that
project
is,
as
mr
hassell
mentions,
because
there's
a
single
homeowner
who
currently
floods,
we
did
survey
and
speak
with
a
number
of
the
neighbors
in
the
in
the
area
as
well
as
mr
matt
hassell
mentioned.
I
think
he's
the
only
one
who
kind
of
expressed
that
they
had
any
flooding
issues.
The
neighbor
did
express.
J
They
installed
a
french
drain
system
in
their
own
backyard,
and
that
was,
I
think,
where
mr
assel
was
mentioning
they
they'd
offered
to
let
him
tie
into
that
system
if
he
thought
that
would
be
helpful,
but
I
certainly
understand
his
his
concerns
with
the
maintenance
of
that
system
moving
forward.
We
did
also
let
mr
hassell
know
he
could
apply
for
an
encroachment
permit
to
do
any
work.
He
won
within
the
easement
because
it
wasn't
currently
obviously
being
used
as
a
drainage,
conveyance
system,
and,
let's
see
we
did
discuss
back
counselor.
J
If
you
might
have
to
remind
me,
but
it's
been
roughly
a
year,
I
think
the
potential
for
abandonment
of
the
easement.
We
talked
with
a
number
of
the
surrounding
property
owners,
most
of
them
sort
of
showed
no
no
strong
feelings,
either
way
on
whether
that
easement
were
maintained
or
abandoned
in
the
area.
J
D
D
J
D
J
I
mean
there
is
you're
right,
I
mean
constantly
wearing
that
I
mean
the
easy
solution
from
a
from
a
non-cost
consideration.
Approach
right
is
cutting
down
the
trees,
digging
out
the
stumps
and
building
a
drainage
swale
that
was
kind
of
the
original
design
for
the
neighborhood
right
on
the
flats.
Down
to
that
larger,
ditch
it's
just
expensive.
It's
certainly
doable
just
like
putting
a
man,
the
moon,
I
guess
it's,
it's
very
doable.
It's
just
expensive.
D
Is
there
we've
exhausted
all
efforts
trying
to
bring
it
towards
the
street?
I
mean
I
don't
know
whether
some
dirt
would
swell,
and
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
haven't
been
up
to
the
site.
So
then
I
I
can't
speak
and
that's
my
fault,
because
I
should
have
been
there
before
this
meeting
and
we,
if
the
previous,
if
the
neighbor
has
a
french
dream,
they
can
get
to
the
curb
and
gathering.
But
this
gentleman
can't.
M
J
Mr
man,
this
is
the
easement
kind
of
in
question
here,
house
yeah,
I
think
so
on
this
one
here
and
I'm
going
to
zoom
in
one
level.
So
what
happens
is
this
is
this?
Is
the
neighbor
and
what
he's
installed
a
french
drain
kind
of
through
his
grass
yard,
that
ties
down
into
the
lower
elevations
here
and
drains
down
into
this
larger
drainage
system
along
the
golf
course.
J
J
J
They
do
the
this
neighbor
again.
There
is
a
drainage
easement
back
there
and
there's
a
little
bit
more
of
a
swale
in
that
yard,
and
we
talked
with
this
neighbor
and
they
said
they
didn't
have
any
special
drainage
problems
either,
probably
because
they
have
the
larger
golf
course
drainage
system,
the
system
that
runs
along
the
golf
course
behind
their
homes.
J
They
don't
have
the
same
level
of
I
think
you
know
mr
hassell
kind
of
has
the
unfortunate
situation
here,
where
there's
a
combination
of
an
electric
utility
box
and
some
tree
roots
and
kind
of
the
natural
topography
and
his
neighbor
coming
in
that
kind
of
traps.
The
water
in
his
backyard
is
the
low
point
kind
of
a
localized
low
point.
D
J
This
property
owner
you
have
to
come
through
here,
likely
go
back
here
and
trench
this
and
build
this
deeper
than
it
currently
is
to
try
to
bring
the
water
back.
That
way,
it's
probably
it's
probably
more
expensive
than
taking
the
trees
down
and
going
really
okay.
This
way,
unfortunately
yeah
I
mean
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
sounds
like
a
lot
of
money,
but
unfortunately,
in
the
civil
engineering
world,
that's
a
relatively
small
amount
of
money.
J
Gotta
get
bigger,
I
mean
there
absolutely
is
an
approach,
it's
just
it's
just
cost
right
I
mean
it
gets
back
to
like
all
drainage
problems.
If
we
had
all
the
money
in
the
world,
we'd
fix
all
the
problems
in
the
world
and
I'm
happy
to
fix
any
of
the
problems
that
council
chooses
to
allocate
us
money
for,
but
we
arranged.
D
Does
it
make
any
sense
to
acquire
easement
behind
the
neighbor
yard?
That
does
have
the
french
dream?
Apparently
they
didn't
cut
trees
down,
so
they
kind
of
they
took
it
outside
that
easement
and
anyway,
we
could
kind
of
make
that
an
official
easement
as
opposed
to
cutting
the
trees
down
and
then
access
the
swale.
That
way.
J
So,
in
order
to
do
that,
you'd
either
need
to
get
this
property
owner
to
agree
to
sell
your
easement
through
his
backyard
or
condemn
it.
He
certainly
offered,
as
we
mentioned
to
let
mr
just
tie
into
his
system
without
an
easement
which
would
be
kind
of
the
most
straightforward
approach
from
the
city
side.
On
that,
though,
I
understand
missile
hassle's
concern
of
having
his
system
tied
into
someone
else's
private
system.
J
D
B
B
I'm
wondering
what
the
cost
would
be
for
maintenance
to
the
french
drain
system
over
10
years,
20
years,
etc.
I'd
be
shocked
if
it's
anywhere
near
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
I
mean
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
here
for
some
sort
of
a
three-party
agreement
between
you
know
the
property
owners
in
the
city
that
maybe
we
can
fork
over.
B
D
I
think
it's
good,
though,
to
expand
on
that,
how
how
would
something
like
that
work?
Councilman
apparel,
I
know
you
you're
thinking
out
loud
right
now,
but
would
it
be
some
sort
of
maintenance
agreement
that
the
city
would
get
approval
from
joining
land
owners
to
keep
that
french
train
operative
with
their
permission.
B
Yeah
and
subject
to
mr
mcqueen,
you
know
telling
me
if
this
is
even
something
that's
feasible,
I
mean.
Obviously
we
can't
spend
public
money
on
private
property
property
but,
to
the
extent,
there's
a
nexus
here
to
help
drainage
in
an
easement
that
the
city
already
has
perhaps
there's
a
way
we
can.
You
know,
maybe
set
aside
some
funding
for
this
for
this
effort
in
some
way
you
know,
as
matt
said
you
know
from
an
engineering
standpoint,
you
can
do
a
whole
lot
with
money
from
a
legal
standpoint.
A
D
A
A
That's
happened
in
west
ashley,
in
particular,
in
these
old
neighborhoods,
so
I
want
you
to
know
that
those
of
us
who
live
in
west
ashley,
who
represent
these
older
neighborhoods,
are
experiencing
the
same
problem
and
we're
here
to
help
you
the
way
that
we
can
with
this.
Of
course,
we
have
to
look
to
mr
found
for
suggestions,
something
that
mr
councilmember
hell
just
brought
up
is
something
we
would
consider
as
well.
A
I
don't
want
you
leaving
this
meeting,
not
thinking
that
we're
not
listening
to
you-
or
this
is
not
a
major
concern
for
all
of
us
on
city
council,
because
addressing
these
issues
are
important
to
your
home.
This
is
where
you
live,
and
we
will
support
anything
that
we
can
to
help
address
that
problem.
For
you,
okay,.
L
A
D
Mr
fountain,
picking
up
on
with
me
I'll,
recognize
you
in
a
second,
mr
fountain.
I
saw
what
looks
like
a
transformer
in
the
backyard.
I'm
wondering
whether
is
there
another
utility
easement
there
that
maybe
we
can
partner
with
that's
outside
our
drainage
system,
but
if
they
have
a
utility
easement
there.
Maybe
we
can.
I
don't
know
how
that
runs.
I
don't
know
if
we've
looked
into
that
or.
L
J
So
the
original
plaits
listed
as
a
swale
easement,
you
know
a
swale
generally
being
a
very
gentle
low,
ditch
area
right.
That's
certainly
what
it
seems
like
the
intent
was
was
to
build
up
kind
of,
and
you
see
that
in
many
areas
in
shadow
moss,
kind
of
a
low
rear
yard,
gentle
ditch
that
would
have
drained
back
to
that
larger
easement
right
and.
D
J
Yeah,
that's
our
feeling
as
well.
Is
that
it
likely
when
they
ended
up
doing
the
lot
grading.
They
probably
just
didn't
end
up
building
it
yeah
and
you
can
see
it's
between
two
phases
of
subdivision,
so
it
might
have
been
that
the
first
phase
of
the
second
phase
would
build
it
and
then
the
second
phase
didn't
show
it
and
didn't
build
it.
Mr
mcqueen
is
highlighting
there.
I
think
the
the
soil.
N
D
J
Way
it's
built,
mr
chairman,
is
one
is
that's
why
I
think
it
probably
wasn't
cleared
originally
is
the
the
area.
That's
in
this
whale
is
actually
kind
of
the
highest
land
back
there
and
then
there's
a
series
of
relatively
large
trees
in
it.
So
you
have
to
clear
the
trees,
remove
the
root
structure
and
then
dig
the
ditch
in
where
the
highland
of
the
trees
used
to
be
so.
J
Certainly,
I'd
expect
to
get
some
comments
from
some
of
the
neighbors
on
all
that
tree
removal
between
the
property
line
and
then
you'd
have
to
go
in
and
dig
that
that
work
out,
but
whenever
you're
dropping
trees
in
the
vicinity
of
residential
structures,
you
tend
to
pay
a
reasonable
amount,
reasonably
high
amount
of
money,
because
there's
a
lot
of
risk
and
liability
for
the
tree.
Companies
there's
quite
a
handful
of
trees.
We
did.
We
did
install,
though
you
know
a
similar
system.
J
We
installed
an
underdrained
system
on
dnoon,
which
is
just
like
one
street
north
of
here
in
an
area
that
didn't
have
trees
where
there
was
a
series
of
about
10,
different
properties
that
were
flooding
and
just
for
perspective,
that
that
went
in
two
years
ago.
That
was
about
thousand
65
just
for
the
underdrained
system,
through
those
rear
yards
yeah.
D
H
L
If
y'all
permanently
abandon
the
easement
for
storm
water,
I
still
got
the
utility.
I
will
go
to
the
corners
of
my
lot.
Take
a
track.
Hoe
and
dil
dig
a
four
foot
deep
trench
put
in
a
metal
sheet
pile
system
back,
fill
it
with
dirt,
so
my
neighbor's
water
stays
in
his
yard,
and
then
I
will
put
in
my
own
grade
my
yard
and
put
in
a
sump
pump
a
little
well
point
and
pipe
the
water
underground
out
to
the
street
and
when
it
comes
out
to
the
street,
where
does
it
go?
L
D
All
right,
mister,
you
heard
that
what,
from
an
engineering
standpoint
the
first
time
I
don't
know
whether
you've
heard
that
or
not,
but
let's
show,
what's
your
feelings
initially
hearing
that
I
know
we're
gonna
have
time
to
go
back
and
work
through
this
outside
this
meeting.
But
what
do
you
think
about
that?
Mr
fountain.
J
Sure
so
so
tech,
technically
a
permanent
tie-in
to
it
right
away.
Mr
brown's
online,
you
might
be
able
to
speak
to
that
as
probably
a
right-of-way
permit
for
the
tie.
I
think
we've
generally
not
aggressively
enforced
that
aspect,
especially
for
temporary
systems,
as
mr
hassell
has
now
of
saying
that
you
know
it's
a
good
way
to
get
your
water
out
and
we're
not
gonna
make
an
issue
of
it
from
a
abandonment
perspective.
J
Mr
hassell
is
sort
of
the
the
topmost
lot
on
the
drainage.
There
is
technically
one
more
lot
to
the
north.
That's
where
we
did.
We
did
speak
with
sort
of
the
surrounding
property
owners
to
try
to
see
if
anyone
had
any
strong
feelings
saying
no,
we
need
you
know
we
need
the
ability
to
drain
our
water.
Through
generally,
the
adjacent
property
owners
sort
of
again
were
relatively
ambivalent
on
the
whether
it
stays
or
goes
so
from
a
departmental
perspective.
J
I
mean
generally,
it's
always
good
to
have
easements
in
case
the
city
ever
does
want
to
build
that
project
and
add
the
drainage
system
in
there,
but
it's
certainly
an
option
for
councils
to
consider
to
say
that
you
know
we
don't
intend
to
build
a
system
there.
Isn't
any
public
water
going
through
that
area
at
this
point,
so
there's
not
an
obligation
on
us
to
maintain
that
easement
or
to
keep
an
easement
not
to
for
the
maintenance
side.
J
L
D
N
N
I
don't
know
how
it
was
back
then,
but
my
concern
abandoning
it
from
our
standpoint
would
would
mean
abandoning
any
public
interest
in
it.
The
problem
is:
there's,
probably
if
there's
a
20-foot
easement
back
there
with
utilities
in
it,
there's
probably
something
in
the
declaration
of
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions
for
shadow
moss
that
gives
everybody
cross
easements
over
each
other's
property.
N
Otherwise,
those
drainage
easements
are
both
private
and
they
serve
the
development
and
the
lots
of
development
in
public,
in
that
they
they
are
dedicated
to
the
city
and
once
they
accepted
the
city,
agrees
to
maintain
them
and
it's
part
of
the
city
storm
water
system.
So
I
don't
know
how
you
know
it
would
be
subject
to
the
fact
that
your
your
adjacent
owners
could
likely
complain
if
you
do
something
to
stop
water
from
entering
entering
onto
your
through
your
property
or
if
you.
N
N
Budgeting
as
much
as
you
all
do,
but
it's
just
something
where
I'm
like
you
know
just
give
me
the
money
to
do
it
and
I'll
do
it,
but
I
mean
that's
a
it's.
Really.
A
city
council
call
on
whether
or
not
to
spend
the
money
to
address
this
issue
versus
any
other
stormwater
issues.
In
these
circumstances,
and
I
think
that's
where
we
can
always
give
you
a
solution
forward,
it's
just
whether
or
not
we
have
the
money
to
implement
that
solution
and
I
think
matt's
sort
of
given
the
solution
is
it's
just.
N
We
could
abandon
it.
I
don't
really
have
I
don't
know
about
matt.
I
don't
have
a
problem
abandoning
it
because
it
gets
us.
You
know,
then
there's
no
question
of
our.
You
know
liability
or
anything
with
respect
to
that,
but
I
don't
know
it
creates
private
property
disputes
between
joint
owners.
Potentially
you
know,
that's
probably
why
the
shed
thing
was
brought
up.
Is
it's
sort
of
you
know
if
it's?
N
D
J
D
J
D
D
N
J
Yeah,
I'm
certainly
not
saying
anything
against
mr
mr
hassell
in
this
situation,
but
mr
hassell
could
turn
around
sell
the
house
to
another
property
owner
who
could
say
this
pump
system.
You've
installed,
isn't
doing
nearly
enough
to
drain
my
property
out.
Therefore,
I
need
you
to
install
a
bigger
system
or
do
something
else,
and
we've
certainly
seen
that
the
few
times
that
over
the
few
last
few
decades,
the
city
has
tried
to
do
something
similar,
there's
also
the
again
the
concern-
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
put
words
in
mr
hassell's
mouth
either.
J
But
the
blocking
of
water
on
someone
else's
property
from
entering
the
easement
would
certainly
be
something
that
generally
we
wouldn't
want
to
take
on
because
then,
if
you
do
cause
flooding
on
that
home,
you've
now
you've
also
damaged
someone's
property,
which
is
that
is
a
public
responsibility.
If
you
cause
additional
damage
from
new
work,
you're
doing
frequently
again
try
trying
to
talk
kind
of
around
the
edges
here,
but
at
the
end.
D
But
actually
you
put
a
good
point,
I
mean
so
now
hypothetically
we
go
and
improve
that
easement,
it's
actually
going
to
benefit
more
than
one.
It
may
benefit
as
many
as
three
homeowners,
the
lady
who
now
has
a
french
drain
that
she
has
to
go
out
and
clean
out
the
drop
boxes,
every
time
or
her
version
of
a
drop
box.
Every
time
it
rains
and
obviously
it
hurt
drainage
is
running
through
still
yet
another
neighbor's
yard.
If
that
easement
were
improved,
would
it
benefit
all
three
properties.
J
So
it's
a
good
question
on
how
we
say
benefit
right.
I
think,
yes,
you
could
say
from
a
stormwater
perspective,
there's
a
benefit.
I
think
that
the
neighbor
has
expressed
that
she
doesn't
feel
she
has
a
stormwater
problem
and
I
suspect
she
probably
would
be
opposed
to
us
cutting
down
the
trees
in
her
backyard.
So
she
may
be
displeased
with
that.
J
And
again,
from
a
drainage
perspective,
we
could
probably
say:
yes,
there
is
a
improvement
to
the
easement.
It's
in
an
easement.
We
have
the
right
to
do
it
from
a
political
standpoint.
I'm
not
saying
you
wouldn't
get
just
as
much
rage,
potentially
from
a
another
property
owner
on
a
similar
issue,
and
I
think
we've
had
a
number
of
those,
certainly
with
other
similar
drainage
projects,
as
mr
mcqueen
mentioned.
D
I
I
get
that,
but
beyond
having
a
hearty
discussion,
I
guess
this
issue
just
needs
to
be
mr
mayor
put
on
the
agenda
for
up
or
down
vote.
I
mean
to
either
fix
this
and
fix
it
this
way
or
not,
but
just
walking
away,
and
apparently
mr
hassle's
been
having
conversations
for,
I
don't
put
words
in
his
mouth,
but
certainly
for
a
decade
on
this
one
councilman
shade.
If
you
got
a
good
idea,
please
bring
it
forward.
A
D
H
So
so,
just
hearing
everything
that's
been
discussed
here
this
afternoon
on
this
and
I
haven't,
walked
it
myself,
which
honestly
I
like
to
do
in
a
case
like
this
before
we
make
a
definitive
commitment,
but
it
it.
It
seems
to
me
that
it
would
be
best
to
maintain
the
easement
and
try
to
take
it
back
to
the
original
intent
of
30
or
40
years
ago
and
create
drainage
that
serves
those
property
owners.
H
I
hear
mr
hassel's
commitment
to
do
you
know
a
project
on
its
own
if
we
abandoned
the
easement,
but
you
know
there
isn't
a
property
just
to
the
other
side
of
the
easement
that
I
guess,
theoretically,
public
water
could
traverse
and
then
there's
the
lot
right
behind
him.
That's
got
10
feet
or
whatever,
so
I
hate
to
shut
anybody
off.
I
I
think
that
we
ought
to
try
to
make
the
thing
work
like
we
originally
intended.
H
But
you
know
we:
we've
got
a
big
elephant
in
the
city
of
fixing
our
drainage
issues
and
we've
been
taking
it
one
bite
at
a
time
and
and
we
we
took
a
lot
of
bites
this
year
by
taking
care
of
those
small
small
projects.
This.
This
is
just
another
bite
of
of
solving
the
long-term
drainage
needs
of
our
city.
H
D
Thank
you,
sir.
Mr
may,
I
think
you're
dead.
On
with
that,
and
I
I
appreciate
so
much
you
your
comments.
I
tell
you
what,
though
you
want
to
set
a
time
to
go
out
there.
We
get
a
common
time
to
go
out
there
and
kind
of
walk
that
area.
I'd
be
willing
to
do
it
too.
I'm
like
you,
maybe
maybe
we
can
do
a
meandering,
ditch
as
opposed
to
cutting
out
only
all
the
trees,
but
obviously
I
have
deferred
mr
fountain
on
that.
D
B
M
Yes,
ma'am,
I
was
just
going
to
let
you
know
in
case
we
have
any
members
or
staff
that
were
going
to
join
recreation.
The
chair
has
requested
that
we
reschedule
that
meeting.
So,
if
you
were,
if
you're
going
to
join
recreation,
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
that.
We'll
be
rescheduling
that
before
our
april
27th
council
meeting.
D
D
G
N
Well,
yeah,
I've
so
that
there
was
supposed
to
be
an
executive
session
on
this
agenda
that
went
on
city
council's
agenda.
I've
I've
reached
out
to
everybody,
that's
involved
with
the
discussion,
and
I
think
we
think
it's
better
to
wait
until
next
meeting
to
have
the
discussion.
Especially
it's
got
a
lot
of
public.
You
know
interest
involved
and.