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Description
City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 3/21/22
B
D
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
If
you
would
all
join
me
and
just
take
a
minute
as
we
reflect
on
the
horrific
war
that's
being
engaged
in
ukraine
and
as
we
pray
for
those
who
are
impacted
and
we're
at
the
same
time,
inspired
by
those
who
are
leading
ukraine
and
those
americans
and
people
from
around
the
world
who
are
doing
everything
they
can
to
help
those
that
are
suffering
in
ukraine.
B
Approval
of
the
minutes
please,
from
march
7.:
oh
I'm
sorry
deferred
business
being
deferred.
Let's
go
down
temporary
encroachments,
mr
brian.
Anything
unusual.
E
Sir,
we
have
some
irrigation
and
fences
all
we
have
on
this
time.
Mr
warren
they've
all
been
investigated
and
recommended
for
approval,
and
so
we
just
recommend
this
information
to
the
committee.
B
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
bear
with
me
I'm
a
little
under
the
weather.
So
if
I
seem.
F
Off
or
more
often
usual,
maybe
I
should
say
forgive
me
so
I
wanted
to
talk
about
third
party
reviews
a
little
bit
and
but
basically,
what
I'm
really
going
to
be
presenting
to
you
is
a
recommendation
for
an
adjustment
to
our
trc
review
fees.
F
But
I
wanted
to
give
you
maybe
just
a
little
bit
of
background
of
kind
of
how
we
got
here,
and
I
promise
this
isn't
too
long.
So
this
first
chart
shows
the
number
of
trc
submittals
by
year
since
2018,
as
well
as
the
average
days
to
review
a
submittal.
F
I
think
the
it
doesn't
look
very
dramatic,
but
if
you
really
look
at
these
numbers
in
the
dark
blue
from
2
2018
to
2021,
that's
basically
a
40
increase
or
decrease
in
the
time
it's
taken
the
team
to
actually
do
those
reviews.
So
I
think
that's
that's
a
significant
improvement.
F
F
An
applicant
would
have
to
put
through
trc
in
order
to
get
approval
that
dropped
to
2.1
in
2020,
and
we
and
we're
continuing
to
see
that
drop
and
improve.
If
you
will
so,
a
couple
of
things
have
happened
right
a
number
of
years.
I
think
in
2000
it
was
either
18
or
19..
F
F
So
those
are
a
couple
things
that
we
eliminated
and
really
the
whole
team
feels
like
doing
those
things
really
charging
the
applicant,
what
it
costs
for
us
to
process
those
applications
as
well
as
eliminating
kind
of
this,
not
a
very
good
way
of
assessing
whether
it
was
a
major
minor
comment
that
sent
them
into
what
we,
what
we
were
calling
pdf
land,
but
they
didn't
have
to
pay.
The
fee
really
increase
the
quality
of
submittals
and
we
think
that
that's
that's
what
we're
seeing
in
this
in
this
particular
chart.
F
Another
thing
that
I
was
really
interested
to
look
at
is,
and
this
kind
of
gets
to
gets
to
the
third
party
reviews
and
why
we're
kind
of
here
with
this
over-
I
looked
it
over
the
years
and
by
the
month,
like
kind
of
the
average
days,
to
review,
to
kind
of
see
what
that
trend
is
and
really
if
we
look
kind
of
at
this
bottom
chart
of
2019,
I
I
was
gone
in
2018,
so
I
don't
have
a
really
strong
memory
of
or
I
don't
have
any
memory.
F
If
you
will
of
what
was
going
on
in
18,
but
in
2019
I
remember
coming
back
and
it
was
it
was.
You
know:
storm
water
was
really
struggling
with
their
staffing
and
so,
and
you
can
see
you
can
just
kind
of
see
this
increase
in
the
impact
that
it
had
in
those
average
days
to
review
over
the
course
of
2019.
F
So
if
I
jump
to
2020
here
in
march,
is
when
we
hire
stormwater
was
able
to
hire
their
development
manager.
You
can
see
things
really
kind
of
start
to
stabilize
they
kind
of
go
up
a
little
bit,
probably
people
being
maybe
being
off,
but
here
we
lose
people
and
you
can
see
the
time
start
to
go
and
increase
again.
F
They
were
able
to
hire
some
people.
We
start
to
see
the
impact
of
that
immediately
and
now
public
service
has
had
some
losses
and
we're
actually
starting
to
see
that
impact
again.
Looking
through
this
with
some
of
the
trc
staff,
we
didn't
really
expect
to
see
a
strong
correlation,
but
so
we
were
really
surprised
when
we
tried
to
map
this
out
and
and
see
how
how
closely
this
aligns.
F
So
I
think
that
what
that
tells
me
is,
you
know
there
really
is
kind
of
this
real
sensitivity
to
to
the
team
and
the
staffing
level
and
capacity
right.
So
as
soon
as
we
get
a
shortage
of
staffing
that
has
a
dramatic
impact
on
our
ability
to
turn
these
reviews
around.
You
know,
I
think
it's
it's
important
to
know
that
there
might
be
some
factors
that
aren't
necessarily
accounted
for
in
those
charts
and
numbers
right
so
early
on.
F
There
may
not
have
been
great
use
of
our
permitting
system,
but
also
these
times
for
review
can
can
change
based
on
the
type
of
submittal.
It
is
some
are
more
complex
than
others.
How
many
times
have
they
already
submitted
before
so
obviously,
if
it's
a
second
or
third
submittal,
it's
probably
going
to
require
less
time
and,
of
course,
staffing
experience
also
plays
into
that
another
thing
you
know
with
all
this
turnover
it
once
we
hire
new
people.
It
really
takes
a
while
for
them
to
get
spun
up
too.
F
So,
maintaining
that
you
know
retention
and
that
institutional
knowledge
being
able
to
keep
people
really
becomes
important
as
well.
So,
but
you
know
knowing
this,
we
have
this
sensitivity.
F
We
feel
like
you
know
how
do
we,
how
do
we
have
this
conversation
about
third-party
reviews
and
making
sure
that
we
try
to
utilize
them
in
an
effective
way?
So,
luckily,
the
team
has
been
amazing
and
every
time
we've
utilized
third-party
reviews,
they
have
a
they
have
a
tracking
system
or
a
logging
system.
That's
basically
allowed
us
to
look
at
how
much
time
it's
actually
taking
for
staff
to
do,
reviews
and
they've.
F
F
This
is
just
a
simple
dashboard
where
we've
got
third-party
reviews,
so
you
can
see
it's
an
average
of
you
know
510
minutes
per
submittal
for
the
for
a
third
party
reviewer
to
submit
at
the
moment
we're
only
going
to
be
talking
about
public
service,
utilizing
third
party
reviews,
but
I'll
kind
of
I'll
kind
of
poke
at
that
here
in
a
minute
as
well.
Why
we're
doing
that?
F
F
So,
as
you
can
imagine,
that's
also
a
lot
of
staff
time
when
we
do
those
that,
what's
that's,
probably
why
we
see
such
a
such
a
shift
when
we
do
have
these
these
vacancies
and
in
staffing,
so
you
know
what
does
this
look
like?
So
I
think
that
this
tells
me
obviously
well.
This
gives
us
some
information
to
how
to
structure
third
party
reviews.
F
So
what
we
have
right
now
is
public
service
has
a
contract,
a
very
small
contract
to
have
some
third-party
reviews
done,
and
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of-
and
I'm
sure
you
all
have
probably
heard
from
a
lot
of
developers
or
applicants
that
are
anxious
for
us
to
utilize
third
party
reviews,
because
they
understand
how
sensitive
this
is
to
our
capacity
and
resources.
F
So
I
know
this
is
a
lot
of
text
here,
but
currently
tom
has
in
place
basically
a
nineteen
thousand
dollar
contract.
So
I
made
some
assumptions
here,
working
with
amy
and
matt
to
kind
of
figure
out
how
we
could
approach
this
in
a
in
a
responsible
way,
if
you
will
so
with
council
approval.
Of
course,
we've
made
an
assumption
that
we
could
extend
this
to
fifty
thousand
dollars.
F
What
would
we
get
for
fifty
thousand
dollars
of
third
party
reviews
we
can
base,
because
we
have
some
data
to
back
it
up.
We
can
estimate
it
might
get
us
about
330
hours,
potentially
33,
submittal
reviews
or
7
of
the
total
submittals
for
for
the
remainder
of
the
year,
an
important
thing
to
know
if
we
don't
adjust
fee
schedules,
we
end
up
subsidizing
these
reviews
almost
a
thousand
dollars
per
submittal.
F
F
All
applicants
would
benefit,
and
so
it
made
sense
to
actually
spread
out
this
fee
over
all
the
submittals
to
basically
absorb
the
cost
of
the
third
party
reviews,
because
really,
if
we've
got
that
increase
in
capacity
every
everyone
really
wins
and
so
based
off
of
what
we
know
in
the
current
contract
in
place
and
that
assumption
that
we
could
extend
it
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
the
recommendation
is
we
look
at
adding
a
hundred
and
ten
dollars
to
each
review
fee
and
basically
we're
just
looking
at
the
average
number
of
submittals
and
that
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
spreading
it
across
all
the
reviews
avoids
any
kind
of
pay
to
play
or
any
kind
of
anything
like
that
where
just
because
somebody
can
afford
it
that
they
could,
they
could
request
an
ex
request,
an
expedited
review.
F
I
don't
you
know,
we
kind
of
feel
like
that.
Maybe
not
might
not
be
something
that
we
really
want
to
want
to
go
down,
so
I
really
want
to
go
down
so
spreading.
It
out
seemed
to
make
a
lot
of
sense.
F
F
F
B
For
a
review
fees,
I'm
just
curious.
Do
you
all
know
this?
Yet
you
may
not
know
this,
but
our
in-house
review
costs
compared
to
the
outside
review
cost.
Is
it
one
in
the
same,
is
outside
more
or
less.
F
Yeah
so
yeah
it
does
cost
a
so
this
is
that's
where
we
end
up.
We
basically
charge
a
600
review
fee,
but
it
ends
up
costing
us
about
fifteen
hundred
dollars
per
review
when
we
we
send
them
out.
That's
why
yeah?
So
it's
a
we
subsidize
about
nine
hundred
two
thousand
dollars
per
submittal.
If
we
don't,
if
we
don't
adjust
fees,
okay,.
F
Sure-
and
so
this
is,
this
is
basically
what
it
would
look
like.
We
look
at
adjusting
the
site
plan,
submittals,
pud,
submittals
concept,
plan
and
road
construction
plans.
Everything
else
kind
of
on
the
tier,
the
trc
fee
schedule
would
remain
the
same,
but
this
gets
at
the
meat
of
those
submittals
and
I
think
one
thing
that's
really
important.
What
I
would
like
to
suggest
is
this
is
this
is
kind
of
let's
do
this
from
now
till
the
budget
cycle.
F
F
How
much
do
we
anticipate
needing
in
the
next
year
and
we
should
adjust
the
trc
review
fees
to
accommodate
that
annually
and
make
sure
that
we
keep
a
keep
a
watch
on
it
and
are
adjusting
accordingly,
and
I
think
another
I
think
another
thing
to
do
is
is
to
unders
between
now
and
the
budget
process
is
to
maybe
look
at
a
different
approach,
maybe
through
an
rfq
where
we
can
get
a
larger
pool
of
like
quality
and
qualified
reviewers
and
really
understand
from
that
community.
F
What
you
know
what
would
make
them
really
interested
in
in
providing
this
service
to
the
city
because
it
has
been
kind
of
a
there
hasn't
been
a
high
amount
of
interest
in
in
providing
the
service
to
the
city.
So
how
do
we?
How
do
we
make
sure
that
we've
really
got
a
good,
a
good,
robust
quality
pool
of
folks
to
to
rely
on
to
do
this?
For
us
and
I'm
happy,
that's
I'm
happy
to
try
to
answer
any
questions
you
all
have
and
look
to
tom
and
others
to
fill
in
the
gaps.
B
E
Tracy
handled
it
great
and
yeah
our
our
real
concern
as
we
look
forward
to
going
forward.
This
is
develop
a
large
pool.
Interestingly
enough,
this
is
kind
of
in
a
way
almost
like
overlay
work.
There's
there's
several
companies,
local
engineering
and
architectural
firms
that
do
a
lot
of
the
trcs
for
people,
and
you
know
they
could
even
themselves
could
participate
in
this
site
pool
because
they
just
obviously
wouldn't
review
their
own
projects
but
everybody's
using
the
same
standard
of
our
stormwater
manual
and
our
engineering
conditions.
E
So
everybody
knows
the
thing
and
I
think,
if
we
develop
what
we're
talking
about
we'll
get
more
interest
and
they'll
all
be
happy
to
hear
this.
We've
spoken
to
several
of
them.
I
think
about
the
potential
to
do
this,
as
tracy
said,
I
think
it'll
give
us
a
better
pool.
This
is
something
we
want
to
adjust
accordingly
to,
because
I
I
just
as
I
know
sure
all
of
y'all
get
the
mayor.
We
get
calls
every
day
and
and
time
is
money
in
development,
and
we
don't
want
to
hold
people
up.
E
We
want
to
try
and
do
this
as
fast
as
we
can.
I
think
tracy,
the
idea
we
came
up
with
this
and
thanks
to
amy
and
matt
from
bfrc
to
help
us
do
this.
But
it's
really
going
to
be
a
tremendous
thing
and,
as
tracy
said,
we
kind
of
have
a
track
record.
Several
years
ago,
when
stormwater
was
having
the
same
staffing
issues
we
have,
we
did
it.
E
It
was
some
success
and
it
made
a
large
difference
and
I'd
like
to
say
take
a
moment
to
thank
matt
and
also
especially
kenzie
holton
from
our
stormwater,
because
as
we
helped
them
when,
when
they
they
needed
help,
they've
stepped
up
tremendously
and
helped
us,
and
I
cannot
say
enough,
we
we're
not
perfect,
but
I
will
just
say
our
engineering
staff
is
doing
the
reviews.
E
In
december
we
had
149
that
were
past
due
we're
down
to
41
now,
and
we
have
one
engineer:
working
full-time
keith
frazier,
who
just
left
us
is
doing
some
part-time
work
still,
even
though
he
started
another
job
and,
as
tracy
said,
we've
established
a
small
third-party
review,
so
we're
working
very
hard
to
do
it.
I
think
this
will
be
a
great
thing
for
the
development
community
and
move
things
forward
and
for
the
city
get
projects
on
the
tax.
Rolls
is
what
we
want
to
do.
B
Listen
man,
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
idea.
You
know
third
party
review
came
up
when
there's
a
topic
when
laura
canvas
when
miss
cabinets
was
here.
So
thank
you
for
pushing
this
forward
and
I
appreciate
you
sharing
this
information
on
mr
kinsey.
We
needed
to
I
needed
we
needed
to
hear
okay,
so
great
great
presentation,
council,
member.
G
Thank
you,
councilman
waring,
and
if
y'all
could
please
indulge
me
on
this,
it's
hard
to
think
of
a
less
sexy
topic
than
our
development
review
process
and
third
party
review,
but
I'm
here
to
tell
you
it
is
a
very,
very
important
issue
for
the
city
and
want
to
just
thank
tracy
and
tom
and
everybody
else
at
the
city,
matt
amy
et
cetera,
for
their
work.
On
this
I
know
we've
had
some
meetings
sort
of
one-on-one
to
talk
through
a
lot
of
these
issues
and.
G
Here's
some
of
the
reality
here
I
represent
a
lot
of
developers.
I
run
in
these
circles
with
what
I
do
for
a
living
and
here's
the
reality
of
it.
Charleston
has
a
reputation
for
being
the
toughest
place
to
get
a
project
through
the
development
review
process,
and
you
may
just
think
to
yourself
when
I
say
that
the
initial
reaction
is
oh
well,
these
you
know
super
wealthy
hotel
developers
and
and
track
home
developers.
They
can
just
deal
with
it.
You
know
this
is
just
going
to
be
a
rounding
error
for
them.
G
Put
that
issue
aside
for
a
second.
There
are
people
too,
and
and
they
they,
they
provide
an
important
service
community.
But
this
this
issue
impacts
regular
people.
I
I
represented
a
african-american
family
on
riverland
drive
years
ago.
Y'all
may
have
heard
about
it.
G
This
poor
family
was
trying
to
subdivide
their
their
parcel
over
there
on
the
stono
river
and
it
was
a
absolute
absolute
nightmare
for
them
and
and
this
touches
on
equity
issues,
it
touches
on
affordable
housing
issues,
because
when
projects
are
hung
up
in
the
development
review
process,
that's
a
supply
side
constraint
right.
It's
it's
preventing
housing
inventory
from
getting
onto
the
market
in
a
timely
manner.
The
quicker
projects
get
reviewed
and
approved
and
sold
the
quicker.
G
G
We're
just
talking
about
trying
to
make
sure
our
process
runs
as
efficiently
as
possible,
and
I
think
tracy's
graphic
a
little
bit
earlier,
where
it's
tracking
the
data
and
the
timeliness
of
these
reviews
relative
to
when
staff
comes
and
goes,
is
very
instructive
because
guys,
I
think
we
have
to
acknowledge
the
reality
of
the
fact
that
when
you're,
a
professional
engineer
or
you're
a
planner
or
you're
a
storm
water
engineer,
we
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
pay
you.
G
What
seaman
whitesides
pays
you
or
what
thomas
and
hutton
pays
you
it's
just
a
fact
of
the
matter.
So
so
it
is
going
to
be
a
fact
of
nature
and,
in
reality
that
we're
going
to
have
these
blips
up
and
down
into
the
future.
So
I
think
what
we
need
to
be
moving
towards
is
having
a
lean
mean
efficient
process
where
we
can
delegate
out
to
the
private
sector
as
appropriate.
G
There's
there
there's
this
discussion
about,
you
know,
permit
fees
and
how
are
we
going
to
fund
this
third-party
review
so
bear
with
me
for
a
second
we've
got
developers
in
this
city
that
will
pay
a
fortune
to
have
their
projects
developed
in
an
expedited
manner.
Now
you
may
say,
and
tracy
alluded
to
this
pay
for
play
favorable
treatment.
This
is
a
conversation
I
think
we
need
to.
We
need
to
have
we
need
to
have.
We
need
to
examine
the
pros
and
cons
of
these
different
things.
G
You
go
to
an
airport
you're
going
on
a
plane
if
you're
like
me,
you
know
you
go
into
the
line
with
everybody
else
and
and
as
I
turn
to
the
left,
I
see
all
these
guys
in
suits
going
through
the
global
entry,
and
I'm
always
just
like
why.
Why
am
I
such
a
sh
like
what
you
know?
There
is
precedent
within
government
for
paying
for
ex
for
expedited
and
enhanced
service,
and
I
think
there
is
a
way
we
can
do
this
at
the
city
that
allows
developers
to
get.
G
You
know.
First-Class
treatment
pay
big
bucks
to
do
it.
Have
those
big
bucks
go
into
our
stormwater
in
public
works
review
process
to
hire
more
staff
to
help
subsidize
the
third
party
review
for
other
folks
for
regular
folks,
like
the
clients
I
had
over
on
riverland
dr
rivlin
drive
years
ago,
there's
a
way
to
make
this
work
where
everybody
wins,
and
I
think
that
is
when
you
talk
about
cities
innovating
and
becoming
more
business-like
and,
and
you
know,
learning
the
best
features
of
the
private
market.
G
This
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
we're
talking
about
here
and
I
think,
there's
a
way
to
structure
this
properly
and
do
it
in
a
manner.
It
is
not
pay
for
play
and
things
of
that
nature
and
again,
there's
tangible
benefits.
The
city
gets
for,
allowing
these
projects
to
move
forward
more
expeditiously,
affordable
housing,
tax
rolls,
etc.
So
I
think
that's
a
conversation
conversation
we
ought
to.
We
ought
to
have
head
on.
G
The
other
thing
I
would
say
is
that
some
of
the
feedback
I
get
from
the
development
community
is
that
really
everything
in
the
city
works
pretty
darn.
Well.
Currently,
there
were
some
issues
with
legal
review
that
seemed
to
have
been
addressed
by
putting
the
legal
process
into
the
inner
gov
system,
which
is
a
great
thing
that
tracy
has
done,
but
you
know
it
all
comes
back
to
stormwater.
Stormwater
is
really
where
you
hear
about
folks
getting
hung
up
in
the
development
review
process
a
lot.
G
So
when
we
talk
about
doing
third
party
review
but
leaving
stormwater
out
of
it,
I'm
I'm
concerned
a
little
bit
that
perhaps
we're
missing
the
mark
a
little
bit
on
that
and
not
training
our
sites
on
the
aspect
of
our
development
review
process.
That
is
the
most
maddening
for
for
some.
So
this
is
a
very,
very
important
issue.
As
I
mentioned
when
tracy
and
I
last
spoke,
you
challenged
me
to
go
out
into
the
world
and
find
some
engineering
firms
that
would
be
interested
in
actually
taking
on
this
work.
G
I'll
fill
you
in
on
some
more
of
the
details,
but
I'm
here
to
tell
you
that
one
of
the
principles
of
one
of
the
largest
civil
engineering
and
landscape
architecture
firms
in
the
city
has
assured
me
that
there
are
plenty
of
firms
that
are
willing
to
do
this
work.
It's
it's
expensive,
I
mean
one
of
the
quotes
that
was
thrown
out
to
me
was
three
to
five
thousand
dollars
per
review.
G
You
know
you
start
talking
about
having
a
nineteen
thousand
dollar
fifty
thousand
dollar
a
year
budget.
You
don't
really
get
that.
You
know
that
goes.
That's
gonna
go
by
fast,
but
I'm
here
to
tell
you.
There
are
developers
that
will
stroke
the
city
a
check
for
five
thousand
dollars,
so
the
city
can
hire
a
third
party
to
review
their
project
that
that's
chump
change
for
a
developer
in
the
development
review
process.
That's
the
per
diem
on
some
of
these
loans.
G
Well,
maybe
not
a
per
diem,
but
it's
but
it's
expensive
the
carrying
costs
that
these
guys
incur.
So
this
is
a
really
important
discussion
to
be
having
let's
keep
the
momentum
going
on
it,
and
it
would
be
great
for
us
to
innovate
in
this
area.
Thank
you.
B
All
right
can
we
pull
down
the
presentation,
so
I
can
see
everybody.
B
Thank
you
any
other
input.
Let
me
add
one
tracy,
I
saw
your
hand
go.
F
Yeah,
I
I
think
you
know,
council,
member
powell
has
some
amazing
points,
and
I
think
you
know
from
from
where
I
said.
I
think
it's
great
to
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
kind
of
get.
This
kicked
off
with
the
idea
that
this
is
part
of
the
budget
process
right,
and
so
how
do
we?
How
do
we,
you
know,
get
this
started
and
then
you
know,
do
we
look
to
have
some?
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Tracy.
I've
got
a
couple
of
maybe
bullet
points
again
great
presentation.
I
agree
with
everything
councilman
lapel
said.
I
actually
think
when
it
comes
to
the
city
project.
This
is
something
I've
discussed
in
the
past.
I
think
the
city
project
ought
to
have
a
code
on
it
and
let's
call
it
1670.,
and
I
think
that
all
those
projects
ought
to
be
expedited
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
if
we
slow
up
our
own
projects,
all
we're
doing
is
adding
the
cost
to
the
taxpayer.
Okay.
B
B
The
second
thing
is,
if
you
remember
before
mr
mayor
before
and
councilman
seeking
before
and
shayed
before
covert,
one
of
the
things
we
did
was
increase
fee
income
across
the
board
when
it
came
to,
in
particular,
somehow
building
services
and
things
like
that.
B
They
don't
have
to
hire
an
employee
to
do
it
so
increasing
the
fees
that
could
certainly
cover
our
costs
makes
sense
if
it
costs
1500
to
review
a
plan
and
and
we're
collecting
600.
I
mean
that
just
doesn't
make
sense.
B
Okay,
so
hopefully,
if
we
can
at
least
use
that
as
a
rule
to
cover
our
costs
when
we,
when
we
do
that
and
when
it
comes
to
pay
to
play
our
regional
development
alliance,
which
recruits
industry
into
this
region,
david
jenn
and
his
team
up
there,
they
went
to
play
the
clay
funding
mechanism,
maybe
10
years
ago.
B
So
I
understand
that's
a
we
just
have
to
do
it,
hopefully
correctly,
not
not
pay
to
approve
pay
to
review.
It's
two
different
things
so
anyway,
with
those
three
bullet
points,
but
please
try
to
include
the
city
project
as
as
part
of
me,
and
I
think,
put
a
separate
code
on
it.
So
so
whoever
hits
it
their
desk.
They'll
know,
there's
a
city
project
and
as.
A
B
F
Actually,
actually
it
would
really.
The
big
consideration
is
increasing
the
trc
review
fees
that
I
showed
on
the
fee
schedule.
B
Okay,
so
we
need
emotional
net.
I
believe
so
chill
with
entertaining
motion.
Is
there
emotion
out
there
who
move
directly,
moved
and
seconded
by
councilmember
more
discussion
hearing
that
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye?
B
Any
of
us.
Thank
you
item
approval
for
the
scope
of
undergrounding
of
archer
school
who's.
Gonna
address
that.
E
F
Sorry
so.
F
Well,
good
because
I
feel
I
feel
very
out
of
it,
so
you
know
really
what
we're
we
brought
this
archer
school
project
to
y'all
a
number
of
months
ago
now
for
initial
review
and
approval,
and
so
what
we're
bringing
to
you
today
is
really
to
get
your
your
approval
on
the
scope
of
the
project,
because
we've
been
able
to
really
kind
of
hone
in
on
the
details
of
what
would
be
involved
for
undergrounding
for
the
archer
school
and
how
far
we
want
to
take
it
and
kind
of
show
the
easements,
and
I
think
that
there's
a
cost
estimate
with
this
as
well,
and
so,
but
basically
what
this,
what
this
approval
does
and
julia.
F
Please
jump
in.
If
I
get
this
wrong.
What
I
believe
this
does
is
it
allows
us
to
move
forward
with
obtaining
the
easements
for
this
project
and
kind
of
taking
this
design
even
further.
If
you
will,
and
joe
apple
from
dominion
is
here
to
really
kind
of
do
a
proper
introduction
into
into
the
scope
of
the
project
and
joe
if
you're
on,
I
can
share
the
the
plan,
if
that's
helpful
or
if
you
wanted
to
share
it.
H
Hey
tracy
yeah
good
afternoon,
everybody
tracy!
If
you
could
go
ahead
and
share
that
that
would
be
great.
F
H
Okay,
yeah
and
I'm
operating
on
an
iphone
here.
We
have
the
zoom
restricted
on
our
corporate
system,
so
bear
with
me
a
little
bit
as
we
walk
around
the
project.
So
you
know
we
first
started
looking
at
overhead
to
underground
conversion
as
part
of
the
redevelopment
of
the
220
nassau
street
archer
school
project-
and
you
know
we
met,
had
a
meeting
on
site
and
we
walked
through
the
entire
block
and
started
identifying
areas
where
we
could
achieve
the
most
impact
with
the
dollars
that
you
know
for
the
project.
H
What
we
came
up
with
was
a
has
changed
slightly
from
where
we
were
previously,
which
is
why
we
wanted
to
talk
about
it
again
today,
but
essentially,
there's
going
to
be
two
new
transformers
to
provide
service
for
the
project
at
220
nassau
street.
Both
of
those
are
located
on
the
project
site.
H
What
we're
looking
at
doing
is
tying
in
a
transformer
down
the
road
at
the
martin
luther
king
jr
pool
that
is
one
of
the
easements
that
is
going
to
be
required
from
the
city
of
charleston.
There's
going
to
be
a
new
underground
line
of
coming
from
jackson
street
down
the
parking
lot
to
an
existing
pad
mounted
transformer.
That's
already
there
today
that
tying
in
that
transformer
is
going
to
allow
us
to
eliminate
quite
a
bit
more
of
the
overhead
lines
as
part
of
the
scope
of
this
project.
H
H
All
the
overhead
line
on
along
hanover
street
south
of
jackson
will
be
removed
and
then
also
the
overhead
line
on
jackson
street.
Up
to
a
point.
H
You
know
the
overhead
services
to
the
homes
along
that
block
will
remain
from
a
point
that
is
labeled
800
on
this
print,
but
the
main
line,
the
overhead
primary
conductors
and
transformers
on
the
poles
will
all
be
removed
in
that
area
running
through
the
project
site.
As
we
we
come
back
out
into
the
city
right
away.
H
Yes,
if
you
go
a
little
bit
plan
north
yes,
so
we
we
tie
back
into
our
existing
overhead
system
on
nassau
street
right
there
at
point,
300
with
a
road
crossing
at
this
at
the
location,
yep,
exactly
where
you
have
your
cursor,
so
that
will
basically
complete
the
three-phase
undergrounding
for
the
transformers
involved
with
the
project
and
the
again
the
martin
luther
king
jr
pool.
H
In
addition
to
that,
we
also
have
a
small
undergrounding
scope
just
to
the
north.
At
the
intersection
of
nassau
and
harris
street,
there
are
some
existing
single-phase
overhead
lines
that
provide
service
to
the
customers
and,
along
the
harris
street
section
of
roadway,
we
plan
to
install
two
directional
bores,
one
each
direction
to
new
pad
mounted
transformer
locations
that
will
be
on
the
charleston
housing
authority
property.
So
that
will
be
the
second
easement
required
for
this
project
or
set
of
easements
required
for
this
project.
H
F
I
think
yeah,
I
think
that
covers
it.
I
mean
really.
I
think
that
the
plan
that
so
joe
met
with
eric
schultz
and
rodney
porter
out
on
site-
and
we
kind
of
walked
through
this
and
talked
about
how
do
we
maximize
the
impact
to
you
know
and
potential
for
this?
F
For
you
know
expanding
undergrounding
in
the
neighborhood
without
without
too
much
project
creep
right,
so
we
didn't
want
it
to
get
too
out
of
control,
and
I
think
they
did
a
really
good
job
in
in
trying
to
maximize
the
impact
without
getting
without
getting
too
crazy,
and
so
obviously,
this
easement
is
something
that
is
manageable.
It's
on
our
site,
charleston
housing
authority.
F
We
don't
have
the
easement
in
place,
but
they
seem
agreeable
to
this
easement
and
so
really,
then
it's
just
you
know,
cost
estimate
which
has
gone
up
a
little.
I
guess
because
of
the
drainage
issue,
is
that
right,
joe
there.
H
Are
yes,
it
has
gone
up
since
the
original
estimate.
That
was
provided
it's
a
number
of
factors.
Playing
into
that,
I
would
say
the
primary
factor
is
an
increase
in
our
per
linear
foot,
cost
associated
with
our
overhead
to
underground
projects,
and
really
all
we
have
done
at
this
point
on
this
project
is
provide
a
you
know.
An
approximate
per
linear
foot
cost
to
try
to
represent
a
budget.
H
We
have
not
gotten
to
the
point
where
we're
doing
detailed
estimating
on
this
simply
because
we
haven't
been,
you
know,
had
an
approved
scope
up
to
this
point,
so
that'll
be
kind
of
the
next
step
in
the
process,
but
the
the
estimated
cost
is
is
right
at
750
000,
just
using
an
approximate
model
based
on
similar
projects,
cost
per
foot.
F
And
then
my
understanding
is
that
we
would
want,
if
you
all
approve
of
the
scope,
we
would
actually
come
back
to
you
once
the
easements
are
in
place
before
before.
The
work
begins.
Is
that
right,
joe
and
julia.
H
B
D
Yeah
I,
mr
chairman,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
joe
apple
from
dominion
for
collaborating
with
us
on
this
and,
of
course,
tracy
and
councilmember.
Pell
remembers
the
hours
we
went
through
getting
our
new
protocol
together,
which
we
still
on
the
verge
of
hiring
a
project
manager
to
do
this
on
a
more
regular
basis.
But
the
whole
point
of
that
allows
us
to
do
just
what
we're
doing
here
today
and
that's
to
include
more
areas
of
the
city
that
we
feel
deserve.
D
Undergrounding
like
affordable
housing,
development
and
in
neighborhoods
that
you
know
otherwise
would
not
have
been
organized
enough
to
to
propose
a
project
to
the
city,
and
it
allows
us
to
to
dip
into
that
fund
that
we've
got
sitting
there
in
the
bank
to
do
some
of
these
projects.
So
it's!
This
is
just
a
good
example.
I
hope
there's
a
lot
more
to
come
once
we
get
our
project
manager
hired
and-
and
they
don't
happen
quickly,
but
this
this
is
a
good
sign
of
things
to
come.
B
B
I
believe
all
in
favor
of
that
motion
that
that's.
B
All
right,
I
saw
your
lips
moving,
but
you
were
muted.
You
know
all
in
favor
of
motion.
Please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you
item
h.
If
the
committee
would
allow
let
me
advance
item
five,
I
don't
think
that's
gonna
be
hopefully
a
whole
long
discussion.
Councilman
sheila
has
asked
that
like
daughter
was
on
last
meeting
and
I
think
he
had
some
updated
information
from
the
county
and
all
as
to
funding
mr
mayor
on
that
one.
B
So
if
the
committee
would
allow
I'll
go
the
pleasure,
let
me
go
to
five
and
then
I'll
come
back
and
go
through
one
through
four
councilman.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
it.
I
know
y'all
heard
a
lot
of
you
know
about
this
last
week
or
two
weeks
ago
at
at
city
council,
but
I
wanted
to
kind
of
revamp
just
real
quickly
and
let
you
know
that
you
know
we
had
a
study
done
five
years
ago,
some
of
you
weren't
on
council
at
that
time
on
the
church,
creek
basin,
it's
because
floods,
you
know
had
happened
multiple
times
and
shadow
moss,
hickory
hills,
canterbury,
woods,
hickory
farms,
forest
lakes,
crosstown.
C
I
Of
course,
providence
common,
all
of
those
areas
had
flooded.
You
know
several
times
on
this
and
the
study
had
shown
that
you
know
forest
lakes
and
providence.
Commons
are
actually
subject
to
title
surges,
because
late
daughter
used
to
flow
out
into
a
connection
between
church
creek.
I
mean
late
daughter
used
to
form
a
connection
between
church
creek
and
long
branch
creek,
which
flowed
out
into
the
stone
river
which
helped
drainage
flow
through
that
church
creek
and
when
the
glen
mcconnell
parkway
was
built.
It
damned
off
that
flow
between
lake
daughter
and
long
branch.
I
Creek
and
now
the
lake
can
currently
only
flow
into
church
creek,
but
it's
only
at
lower
tides,
because
church
creek
water
level
is
actually
higher
than
late
daughter
unless
it's
a
lower
tide.
So
that's
why,
when
this
lake
floods,
we
see
homes
and
cars
and
roads
and
yards
and
everything
staying
flooded
for
four
or
five
days
and
because
the
water's
got
nowhere
to
go,
except
in
yards
and
homes
during
a
storm
surge
and
then
to
add
to
that
church
creek
actually
comes
over
the
top
of
the
rice
gates
during
those
storm
surges.
I
So
you
know
in
the
last
few
years
since
those
floodings,
when
we
have
heavy
rains,
predicted
jason
kronsberg,
because
the
city
park
sends
george
bell
out
there
to
manually,
adjust
those
rice
skates
at
low
tide
and
I've
gone
out
and
helped
him
adjust
those
rice
gates
a
couple
of
times
to
try
to
lower
the
lake.
So
we
have
more
capacity
there
in
late
daughter,
but
it
can
only
flow
out
when
the
tide
is
lower
than
late
daughter,
which
really
only
gives
us
a
few
hours
a
day.
I
So
it's
a
tough
thing
and
if
somebody
had
you
know
if,
if
something
ever
happens
to
george
bell,
we're
probably
going
to
flood
because
he's
the
guy
that's
how
to
adjust
the
thing.
So
it's
been
kind
of
crazy.
The
last
four
years
of
this,
but
but
bottom
line
is
you
know
this
hitting
your
average
draining
issue?
We've
got
major
flooding.
We
know
how
to
fix
it.
We
can.
I
We
can
keep
people's
homes
from
flooding
in
the
future
and,
as
the
chairman
was
just
saying,
I
have
talked
to
some
of
my
colleagues
about
some
of
my
friends
that
serve
on
county
council
and
they're.
I
Going
to
try
to
ask
the
county
if
they
can
pay
half
of
this
cost
to
put
the
pipes
under
the
blue
mcconnell
parkway,
and
you
know
we
got
again
a
small
window
opportunity
to
match
them
to
put
the
pipes
under
the
glen
mcconnell
parkway
at
the
same
time
as
the
scheduled
road
construction-
and
you
know
this
will
allow
for
only
one
disturbance
of
traffic
for
people
that
live
down
that
busy
highway
and,
of
course,
banks,
construction
already
put
their
bid
in
when
they
thought
it
was
included
in
the
widening
project.
I
They're
ready
to
go
with
this
and
again
this
is
the
worst
flooding
issue
we've
got
in
west,
actually,
one
of
the
worst
that
we've
got
in
the
city
of
charleston.
We
got
a
plan
to
fix
it.
We
know
the
first
step.
This
is
the
first
step.
If
we
want
to
revitalize
west
ashley
make
progress
toward
major
flooding
is,
is
certainly
one
of
those
issues
that
we
can
help
to
make
west
ashley
better.
I
So-
and
I
know
it's
on
the
ways
and
means
committee
tomorrow
as
well-
and
it
just
makes
sense
to
do
this
all
at
the
same
time
when
the
global
widening
is
happening,
the
county-
I
think,
agrees
with
that,
and
you
know
I
hope
I
hope
that
you'll
help
me
in
in
getting
this
done.
So
thank
you.
D
Yeah
I'll
confirm,
I
also
spoke
with
a
council
member
moody
and
with
the
county
administrator
that
they
will
try
to
match
funding
on
the
project.
Councilmember
chile's
absolutely
correct.
It
made
sense
from
the
very
beginning
I'd
been
talking
about
this
three
years
ago.
Back
when
councilmember
raul
was
still
on
county
council-
and
I
know
councilmember
middleton
is-
is
supportive
as
well.
D
So
the
thing
that
just
paused
us
really
was
the
funding,
and
we
thought
for
years
now
for
some
years
that
that
the
half
cent
county
sales
tax
ought
to
help
cover
this
expense
and,
of
course,
councilmember
pell.
I'm
sure
makes
the
argument
that
it
should,
and
I
I'm
not
going
to
disagree
with
you,
but
I'm
just
going
on
what
the
dor's
department
of
revenue
is
telling
us
and-
and
I
don't
think,
you're
going
to
find
the
county
going
contrary
to
what
the
da
dor
says.
D
So
at
this
point,
if
they're
willing
to
come
up
with
50
of
the
money,
I
mean
we'll
we'll
have
a
presentation
later
in
this
program
and
at
a
budget
ad
hoc
meeting
soon
about
the
overall
number
of
projects
out
there
and
priorities
and
all
like
that.
But
but
I
think
if
we
can
get
a
50
50
match
that
we
ought
to
do
it
and
and
and
then
what
was
I
going
to
hit
one
other
thing.
I
can't
remember
right
now,
but
maybe
I'll
think.
D
We
have
the
understanding
that
we
we
have
to
proceed
with
with
the
long
branch
you
know
before
this
can
can
have
real
impact.
I
was
going
to
ask
matt,
I
guess
in
the
con
current
construction.
D
Scenario
they
would
install
the
pipes
and
then
cap
them
off
was
was
there
ever
any
consideration
that
they
have
valves
on
them
that
you
could
control
the
flow
down
the
road
even
after
it's
all
completed
was
was
one
question,
and
the
other
thing
I
did
want
to
mention
was
that
we
we
have
not
paused
on
proceeding
to
get
permitting
for
this.
D
We
I
spoke
with
with
matt
right
after
our
last
meeting
and
made
sure
that
we
were
continuing
that
effort
so
that
you
know,
even
if
we're
still
analyzing
and
trying
to
get
the
funding
together
for
this.
It's
it's
not
slowing
us
down
at
this
point
in
the
approval
process.
B
All
right,
good
council
member
she
ate,
I
think
I
saw
your
hand
and
then
a
bail
and
then
maybe
bows-
and
I
think
I
saw
your
answer
so.
A
In
that
audience
yeah.
Thank
you,
mr.
So
this
is
sort
of
the
problem
we
have,
as
I
understand
this,
if,
if
our
50
percent
be
equivalent
to
a
million
dollars
for
this
project,
is
that
correct
matt?
I
think
1.3,
our
our
our
50
percent
is
1.3
okay
and
then
the
the
benefit
of
that
is
going
to
be
nothing
until
when.
C
Mr
phelp
yep
thank
you
sherman,
so
councilman
shade
the
the
1.3
would
be
the
50
match
of
the
construction
costs
we
still
have
to
finalize
permits.
Probably
do
the
inspection
and
normally
you'd
include
a
contingency
in
case.
Something
comes
up
in
construction
which
we,
so
we
asked
me
around.
Three
million
dollars
for
the
total
amount
to
1.5
is
a
50
50..
C
The
pipes
would
provide
a
benefit
to
lake
dodover
once
the
dam
like
daughter
is
raised,
and
then
the
downstream
improvements
were
made
under
highway,
17,
the
greenway
and
then
there's
one
more
crossing.
That's
a
more
minor
crossing
and.
C
So
we're
still
very
early
in
the
conceptual
stage
there,
adding
if
it
does
end
up
being
adding
a
box
culvert
under
highway,
17
and
modifying
the
green
way
to
either
add
additional
pipes
or
potentially
a
bread
or
a
short
bridge.
And
then
the
work
on
like
daughter.
C
Probably
on
the
order
of
20
million
dollars
is
probably
about
what
we'd
be
looking
at.
It's
it's
a
little
early.
I
mean
it
could
be
cheaper
if
it
is
much
easier
under
highway
17
than
we
think
it
will
be,
but
if
it's,
if
it
ends
up
being
an
open
cut
on
17
or
which
I
don't
think
dot
would
allow.
So
if
we
end
up
having
to
ram
jack
box
culvert
under
17,
it's
probably
going
to
be
on
the
order
of
20
million
dollars.
C
There's
a
couple
of
options:
the
if,
if
we
wanted
to
move
forward
with
the
the
installation,
exactly
as
is
for
the
2.6
million
dollars,
I'd
have
to
double
check
on
the
exact.
I
think
it's
18
months
from
the
notice
to
proceed
on
that
one
which
the
nurse
perceived
went
out.
I
think,
last
month,
before
it's
basically
too
late
to
to
require
the
contractor
to
install
under
the
the
contract
pricing.
C
There
is
a
slightly
separate
option
and
that
the
again
the
pipes
are
being
what's
called,
basically
ram,
jacked
or
jack
and
board
under
highway
7
under
glen
mcconnell,
which
is
a
method
where
you
don't
open,
cut
the
road
down
as
a
trench
to
put
the
pipes
in
they're
too
deep
to
do
that
and
leave
the
lanes
open,
so
they're,
actually
being
basically
it's
kind
of
like
drilling
them.
It's
just
a
different
method
than
drilling,
so
it's
called
a
trenchless
technology.
C
The
the
work
that
does
require
lane
closures
and
cutting
on
glenn
mcconnell
are
the
utility
relocations
which
are
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
most
likely
of
work.
There's
an
electric
line
that
needs
to
be
moved
a
water
line
that
needs
to
be
moved
and
some
older,
older
cws
lines
that
need
to
be
abandoned
that
are
abandoned.
C
They
just
need
to
be
removed
and
abandoned
so
that
that
work
you
would
have
to
do
during
the
construction
project
to
avoid
future
lane
closures,
otherwise,
councilman
chile
is
exactly
right
that
you'd
come
back
and
have
to
re-close
lanes
again
for
a
future
project.
C
A
Mr
chairman,
yes,
sir,
and
so
listen
I
want
to
help
out
councilmember
these
constituents
as
best
we
can
and-
and
I
understand
the
presentation
we
had
last
time
on
this
meeting
is
was
eye-opening.
But
this
is
sort
of
the
problem
I'm
having
with
all
of
us.
I've
got
a
similar
situation
that
I've
been
working
with
mr
fountain's
department,
even
before
we
created
the
stormwater
department.
A
This
could
be
about
a
two
million
dollar
project
and
these
folks
have
been
waiting
for
five
years
for
that
to
be
funded,
and
it
may
not
have
the
total
number
of
impact
that
this
will
have
eventually
on
councilmember
shealy's
area.
A
But
it
is
important
to
these
these
folks,
and
so
I'm
just
trying
to,
if
figure
out,
how
we're
going
to
prioritize
these
things.
We're
going
to
have
this
discussion
in
front
of
the
ad
hoc
budget
committee
at
some
point
and
if
we
could
wait
until
we
can
put
this
all
into
a
pool
to
make
that
decision,
because,
quite
frankly,
I
don't
want
to
spend
1.3
1.5
million
dollars.
That's
going
to
take
away
from
the
project.
A
A
I
A
B
Yeah,
I
don't
know
what
happened
there.
I
guess
I
guess
the
internet
didn't
like
what
I
had
to
say,
but
anyway,
we've
been
pitching
holding
money
for
big
projects
for
for
for
a
long
time,
I
I
say
as
long
as
councilman
seeking
has
been
on
council
we've
been
put
money
aside
for
the
battery
wall.
I
believe
there's
a
way
to
fund
your
project,
we'll
find
a
way
to
do
it.
Just
as
we
I
remember
the
6
million
that
we're
putting
in
council
member
appel's
project
over
there.
B
It's
been
needed
for
a
long
time
and
we
all
worked
together.
You
know
we
appropriated
those
funds
in
this
case.
This
is
the
rounding
you're
talking
about
1.3
million.
It's
a
rounding
area
on
error
on
any
major
drainage
project
that
you
talk
about.
Don't
stop,
don't
bring
up
september,
clock
crosstown.
B
What
is
that?
Are
we
up
to
now?
198
million?
Mr
fountain,
on
that
you
know
we
in
this
meeting
we're
going
to
approve
the
bonding
for
the
38
million
or
something
councilman
seeking
for
the
for
the
battery
wall.
This
one
is
we
get
to
build
a
piece
of
infrastructure
in
as
we
continue
down,
hopefully
improving
the
watershed
going
to
the
stoner.
B
Do
we
have
the
money
for
that?
Yet
no,
but
I
willing
to
bet
you're
doing
a
stall
event
which
we
know
they're
coming.
We
just
don't
know
when,
but
this
can
somehow
eventually
prove
beneficial.
So
you
know
if
it
was
a
bigger
number
I'll
hear
you
on
that.
But
then
this
one
jerry's
project
is
kind
of
rounding
here,
council,
member
from
councilmember
sheila.
You
had
your
hand
up,
but
let
me
go
to
some
people
who
hadn't
had
a
chance
to
speak.
Absolutely,
that's
the
memo
apparel.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
waring,
and
you
know,
councilman
shealy
is
not
somebody
who
likes
to
cry
wolf
if
you've
noticed
around
here,
he's
he's
the
strong
silent
type
most
of
the
time.
So
when
he
raises
his
hand
and
says
I
need
something,
and
I
need
help
it's
serious
because
he's
not
someone
who's
gratuitous
with
his
asps
around
here.
G
So
I
am
100
on
board
with
doing
what
we
need
to
do
to
address
this
problem
up
there,
and
I
don't
know
the
first
thing
about
lake
daughter,
but
I
I
take
your
word
for
it
that
you've
looked
into
these
issues.
Clearly.
G
Clearly
you
have
councilman
waring
raised
some
great
points
when
we
were
talking
about
funding
some
drainage
projects
downtown
maybe
a
year
ago
or
so,
and
the
point
of
it
is
in
essence,
is
we
have
limited
stormwater
dedicated
stormwater
funding
resources,
either
through
the
drainage
fund
or
the
stormwater
utility
fee
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
So
when
there
are
opportunities
to
get
some
money
out
of
a
tif
district
or
to
get
some
money
from
charleston
county
or
a
federal.
You
know
program
somehow
or
the
other.
G
But
I
am
here
to
tell
you
today
the
cap
that
charleston
county,
our
friends
over
charleston
county,
are
planning
to
spend
over
300
million
dollars
in
half
cent
sales
tax
money
on
526
526
is
not
in
any
of
the
ordinances
that
were
adopted
by
county
council
to
approve
those
funding
measures.
So
the
idea
that
this
project
that
councilman
shielding
wants
to
move
forward
with
is
somehow
not
an
appropriate.
You
know
funding
project
for
for
this
half
cent
sales
tax
dollars
does
not
make
sense.
G
I
have
an
extraordinary
amount
of
respect
for
the
general
counsel
of
the
dor.
I
went
to
law
school
with
him,
he's
probably
one
of
the
smartest
lawyers
in
the
state,
but
there
is
an
incongruence
in
congruency
here
between
charleston
county
and
their
position
on
this.
They
have
a
totally
different
funding
scenario
than
we
have
when
we're
talking
about
our
stormwater
resources
versus
their
half
cent
sales
tax
funds.
I
think
someone
referred
to
this
as
a
rounding
error
a
minute
ago.
G
This
is
a
rounding
error
for
charleston
county
on
the
glenn
mcconnell
contract
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I'm
encouraged
that
we've
had
some
progress
from
our
last
council
meeting,
we've
gone
from
zero
to
50
percent.
That's
great!
I!
I
just
really
think
that
we
ought
to
you
know
really
kind
of
have
a
frank
conversation
about
this
with
the
county.
Really,
you
know
putting
these
two
projects
on
the
table
and
having
somebody
I
need
to
understand
how,
like
the
county,
is
squaring
that
circle.
I
just
think
it's
fair.
G
I
think
it's
only
fair
and
frankly,
I
don't
know
enough
about
the
dor's
role
in
this
program
to
know
whether
or
not
what
the
dor
says
is
the
final
word
on
this
or
if
it's
more
akin
to
an
attorney
general
opinion.
We've
had
some
discussion
about
over
a
council
last
several
meetings,
because
you
know
if
this
can
be
funded
through
half
cent
sales
tax
dollars
fully
or
much
more
substantially
than
is
on
the
table
right
now.
G
That
comes
at
the
benefit
of
everybody
here,
and
I
think
that
we
ought
to
have
a
full
and
open
and
frank
dialogue
about
that,
because
you
know
the
thing
that
bothered
me
about
this
at
the
last
council
meeting
was:
is
I
don't
want?
You
know
people
to
be
misled
about
what's
going
on
when
it
comes
to
these
funding
mechanisms,
and
it
shouldn't
be
a
different
story
when
we're
talking
about
glenn,
mcconnell
and
lake
daughter
than
it
is
when
we're
talking
about
526.
G
There
just
needs
to
be
some
consistency
in
that
approach,
and
you
know
if
the
county's
decided
they
don't
want
to
spend
300
million
dollars
on
the
half
cent
sales
tax
money
on
526
because
of
this
letter
from
the
dor,
then
I
will
shut
up
about
this
and
it
won't.
There
won't
be
a
problem.
There
won't
be
a
conflict,
but
there's
a
conflict
here
and
I
need
to
be
someone's
got
to
explain
to
me
what
makes
those
two
projects
differently
different.
So
with
that
said,
we'll
keep
rolling.
B
Councilman
phil,
your
point
is
well
taken.
I
said
fortune
that
I
agree
the
mayor
brought
up
when
we
first
had
this
conversation
that
everybody
out
there
in
the
city
of
charleston
and
that
resonated
with
councilmember
moody
and
others
to
come
to
this
fifty
percent.
But
I
agree
with
you,
I
think
all
of
it
should
come
out
of
it.
I'm
gonna
go
to
councilman
bowden
and
then
see
king's
next
and
then
councilman
shealy
I'll
come
back
to
you
councilmember
valden.
Did
you
have
a
question?
I
thought
I
saw
your
hand
earlier.
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I
it
eases
my
heartburn
about
this.
A
bit
that
the
county
would,
you
know,
consider
kicking
in
50.
I
think
that
would
be
extremely
helpful.
J
I
you
know
I
I
will
say
it
does
concern
me
just
a
bit
that
you
know
the
plans
aren't
quite
in
place
for
the
rest
of
this
project,
which
is
actually
going
to
make
the
difference,
but
I
you
know,
while
glenn
mcconnell's
being
done,
I
mean
I
drive
that
way
every
day
and
I
don't
think
anything
anybody
said
has
resonated
with
me
on
council
more
than
when
councilmember
sheila
vocally
opposed
adamantly
opposed
affecting
traffic
on
that
road
twice.
That
is
not.
That
is
just
not
something.
J
That's
gonna
work,
so
I
I
do.
I
do
think
the
urgency
is
there
for
this
project,
but
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
ask
a
question
about
the
permitting
process.
Are
there?
Are
there
like
two
separate
permitting
processes
that
we're
talking
about
so
we're
talking
about
moving
forward
with
permitting,
while
we're
figuring
out
the
money
piece
on
the
on
the
lake
daughter
part
and
then
are
there
separate
permits
that
need
to
be
in
place?
For
the
long
branch
creek
part
of
this.
C
Thank
you
so
so
there's
a
there's:
an
existing
encroachment
permit
with
dot
for
the
glenn
mcconnell
pipe
work,
as
well
as
it
being
incorporated
into
the
stormwater
permits
and
other
variant
permits
for
the
linear
part
of
the
glenn
mcgonnell
widening
construction.
C
There
is
not
yet
a
usa
certain
army
corps
of
engineer
impact
permit
because
it's
basically
being
installed
in
army
corps
jurisdictional
areas.
The
army
corps
primary
concern
has
been
the
considerations
of
that
overall
project.
That's
where
the
the
offer
has
been
to
try
to
install
the
pipes
plugged
to
see
if
the
corps
will
agree
to
that
approach,
which
they've
said
they
might
they're.
Considering
that
we
do
need
to
finalize
the
contract,
with
our
consultant
to
finalize
that
court
permit,
which
is
what
the
mayor
was
talking
about.
C
We've
asked
the
consultant
to
give
us
a
final
scope
and
fee
to
do
that
separately.
There
is
a
there
would
be
a
separate
set
of
permits
for
the
work
under
highway
17,
the
greenway,
both
from
an
environmental
perspective,
as
well
as
from
a
d.o.t
encroachment
perspective
in
the
greenway
you'd,
have
a
combination
of
cws
and
city
permitting.
C
So
yes,
the
the
ecological
permitting
for
long
branch
is
likely
to
be
pretty
extensive,
and
so
is
the
obviously
the
17
encroachment
permit.
But
that's
a
separate
process
assuming
the
core
doesn't
come
back
and
require
all
of
that
in
advance
of
the
pipe
installation
which
we
we
don't
think
they
will.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
couple
things
just
really
quickly.
First,
I
I
agree
wholeheartedly
that
if
we
can
pull
together
the
resources
that
we
ought
to
put
in
this
piece
of
infrastructure,
even
if
it
won't
be
immediately
beneficial,
it's
certainly
a
lot
better
than
going
in
and
retrofitting
it
later
when
it's
needed
and
paying
all
that
cost.
So
we
need
to
do
it.
My
question
is
this,
and
maybe
mr
mayor
or
councilmember
sheila,
you
can
shed
some
light
on
this.
K
My
understanding
is:
there's
been
a
commitment
from
the
county
to
go,
seek
a
matching
amount
of
money
for
this,
but
there's
no
guarantee
it's
thought
to
go
through
the
process.
Right
are
we
tomorrow
when
we
take
those
several
ways,
it
means
going
to
be
asked
to
approve
a
full
funding
source
for
this
and
then
look
to
the
county
to
match
it.
Half.
Are
we
only
going
to
vote
for
half
in
hopes
that
the
county
will
somewhere
down
the
road
match
that
money.
I
I
I
think
the
the
idea
is
councilman
seeking
to
to
ask
that
we
spend
up
to
1.3,
which
is
about
half
assuming.
K
I
Right
right
from
my
understanding,
some
of
the
council
members
have
have
talked
to
some
of
the
staff
and
and
they
you
know,
they
have
an
idea,
and
I
think
there's
I
think,
there's
several
of
them
that
are
pretty
solid
on
this.
B
All
right,
councilman
and
this.
A
Based
on
what
councilman
stephen's
just
asked,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
on
the
same
page
here.
So
the
motion
that
we're
considering
is
matching
the
county's
commitment
towards
this
project.
B
My
understanding
is
the
bid
price
was,
I
think,
2.6
million
they're
about
almost
2.6,
not
not
billion
million.
I'm
sorry
and
50
is
what
the
request
was
county.
They
hadn't
approved
it
councilman.
Seeking
is
right
a
lot
of
conversation,
my
understanding,
there's
a
potential
majority
votes
around
county
council
on
this
one.
B
If
we
were
to
come
up
with
a
match
of
the
2.6
million
now
one
thing
mr
fountain
just
brought
up,
which
is
he's
right.
All
these
projects
have
contingencies,
and
I
don't
know
whether
contingency
was
already
in
that
2.6
number
or
not,
but
mr
fountain
shakes
his
head.
No,
so
I
believe
that's
right,
so
so,
anyway,
right
now
it's
1.3
million.
That's
going
to
be
on
the!
I
think
it's
already
advertising
now
agenda.
C
The
chairman
I
want
to
mention
yes,
the
2.6
is
the
actual
bid
amount
from
the
construction
company,
as
councilman
chile
had
mentioned,
which
is
the
advantage
of
that.
Is
you
know
the
bid
amount,
the
disadvantage.
It
doesn't
have
a
built-in
contingency
item,
because
it's
not
the
project
budget.
We
also
do
we
did.
I
actually
just
got
a
text
from
mr
kirk
who's
been
managing
the
project.
C
We
did
get
a
proposal
back
from
west
and
sampson
to
finalize
the
permitting
their
current
proposal,
which
we
could
negotiate
with
them,
is
for
70,
and
then
we
would
need
to
straighten
out
who
would
do
inspections
so
just
from
from
a
bookkeeping
perspective,
just
making
sure
we
authorize
enough
money
to
be
able
to
finish
those
tasks
as
well
as
the
council.
B
B
C
Recommend
from
allocation
amount
perspective,
that's
right.
Contingency.
C
I
would
say
the
the
one
point
to
wreck
you
know
say
basically,
with
the
county
providing
a
1.3
million
dollar
match,
the
city
would
put
in
the
1.3
million
dollar
construction
match
and
then
I
would
recommend
allocating
roughly
an
additional
400
000
as
contingency
the
engineering,
the
70
000
engineering
fee,
and
then
we'll
have
to
figure
out
the
inspection
to
see
if
the
county
will
cover
that
as
part
of
their
project
work
or
if,
if
we
don't
need
it,
we
may
not
need
that
contingency.
In
that
case,
it
comes
back
into
the
drainage
fund.
K
Sinking
just
very
belief
in
that
it
seems
to
me
if
this
is
a
county
project
and
they're
going
to
put
some
matching
funds
in
for
this.
Wouldn't
they
naturally
be
the
ones
that
go
and
inspect
it.
It
would
be
sort
of
inefficient
for
us
to
have
to
send
an
inspection
team
in
there
just
to
look
at
one
very
small
part
of
a
very
large
project.
C
K
A
Mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
very
clear
what
we're
what
we're
doing
here
yeah,
I
hear
you,
the
project
is
2.4
million
or
if
it's
three
million
or
if
it's
eight
million
whatever
that
number,
is
we're
we're
matching
with
the
county's
chipping
in
we're
not
going
to
pick
up
any
extra
expenses
on
doing
this.
Well.
B
We're
voting
on
tomorrow's
a
1.3
million
dollar
match.
Hopefully
that's
what
we
vote
on.
Okay.
Now
we
have
to
come
back.
That's
one
thing,
one
thing
that
councilman
appel
has
said,
and
I
I
appreciate
him
being
the
child
cry
on
this.
This
piece.
With
the
half
cent
sales
tax,
it's
going
to
show
us
face
again
on
another
project.
This
isn't
going
to
be
the
only
project
where
county
half
cents
money
is
going
to
come
through
and
we
subject
get
the
answer
back.
You
know,
d.o.r
says
we
can't
do
it.
B
I
think
that
question
has
to
be
answered.
Maybe
this
is
the
project.
There
will
be
other
projects
that
can
fall
in
that
gray
area.
Mr
mayor.
D
So
I'm
not
defending
their
decision
whatsoever
but
just
to
add
a
little
context.
Yes,
sir,
the
pipes
under
glenn
mcconnell
were
not
part
of
the
road
widening
project
originally
and
and
the
half
cent
sales
tax
does
allow
for
drainage
improvements
that
are
associated
with
a
roadway
project
to
be
a
part
of
the
project.
D
But
I
think
their
interpretation
of
this
particular
matter
was
that,
since
this
was
a
quote
add-on
request,
you
know-
and
it
may
be
they
they
should
have
put
the
pipes
in
20
years
ago
and
all
like
that
it
wasn't
a
part
of
the
widening
project.
I
think
that's
part
of
why
they
of
what
their
reasoning
behind
their
decision
for
what
it's
worth
department.
Okay,.
D
B
D
Well,
let
me
just
add
one
comment.
I
I'm
totally
comfortable
with
us,
the
city
of
charleston,
fully.
You
know
moving
forward
with
the
70
000
dollars
to
make
sure
we
get
the
permit,
but
but
I
would
respectfully
ask
the
county
to
split
the
rest
of
it,
no
matter
what
the
other
inspection
or
contingency
cost
would
be.
D
So
I
I
think
we
ought
to
come
up
with
some
reasonable
estimate
for
that
and
say
that
you
know
we
we
will
approve
one
we'll
pay
for
the
70
and
then
we'll
put
up
1.4
or
1.45
or
whatever.
That
would
be
a
50
match
on
the
total
project
cost.
Does
that
sound
like
a
reasonable
approach
that
way
we
we
make,
we
ask
that
the
counties
share,
any
additional
costs
or
contingency
with
us.
A
B
I
agree:
I
think
they
ought
to
be
we're
paying
our
part
right
now.
Mr
man,
I
think
that's
gracious,
but
councilmember
apparel
got
a
very
good
point
on
this
thing.
Man
he
could
keep
going
back
on
that.
You
know.
B
B
K
K
I
Well,
I
mean
obviously
we're
going
to
need
at
least
the
1.3
you
know,
but
I
guess
we
need
to
include
any
other
expenses.
B
Why
don't
we
do?
If
you
don't
mind,
I
asked
mr
fountain's
insertion
on
this
kind
of
like
what
the
vid
said.
Why
don't
we
do
1.3
and
base
the
contingency
on
the
1.3,
mr
fountain,
that
that
would
be
the
addition.
I
guess
going
forward
to
ways
and
means
you're
right,
councilman
seeking
the
1.3
is
already
always
in
me
right.
Councilman
bob
had
his
name,
entertainment.
J
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
a
numbers
guy
under
the
impression
that
we
were
saying
more,
we
would
need
more
than
1.3
to
to
cover.
J
Cover
the
permitting
I
was,
I
was
hearing
what
sounded
like
at
least
three
million
for
this,
for
the
full
scope
of
the
project.
B
B
B
Mr
fountain,
you
are
expert
on
this
one.
It's
unfair
to
you
because
you
don't
have
hard
numbers
in
front
of
you.
So
that's
kind
of
unfair.
C
So,
mr
german,
I
agree,
you'll
need
you'll
need
the
1.3
you'll
need
at
least
70
000
likely
for
the
final
permitting,
which
we
could
bring
as
a
separate
motion
for
that
contract.
So
we'll
have
to
bring
that
contract
through
anyway.
It
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
included
in
the
original.
You
have
to
be
aware
that
you're
committing
to
that
money.
If
you
move
forward
with
the
1.3
match
the
contingency
I
mean
it,
you
know
from
a
best
governance's
practice.
C
You're
not
technically
required
to
allocate
it,
but
you
need
to
be
aware
one
way
or
another
that
it
may
cost
additional
money.
If
something
goes
sideways.
Typically,
contingency
numbers
are
lower.
Once
you
have
a
bid
construction
contract
than
they
are
obviously
before
you
bid,
but
there's
always
a
there's,
always
a
chance
with
the
permanent
still
holding
out
there
that
something
changes
slightly
with
the
permitting.
C
C
I
mean,
if
you
want
to
be
conservative,
I
would
say
the
the
1.5
assuming
a
you
know:
county
match
of
1.5,
either
through
money
or
in-kind
services.
You
know
if
they
provide
some
of
the
the
you
know,
the
1.3
million
cost
match
and
then
the
inspection
services,
for
instance,
on
the
work.
B
K
B
B
K
So
I'm
gonna
have
to
apologize
and
sneak
out
here
yet
again
on
this,
but
I
do
think
that
council
member
pell's
sort
of
impassioned
plea
on
this.
It
has
got
some
merit
to
it
and-
and
I
can
see
with
all
due
respect
to
councilmember
shealy.
This
is
a
very
important
project
for
him,
but
relative
to
the
world
in
infrastructure.
K
I
think
we
need
to
sort
of
gear
up
our
legal
team
to
at
some
point
go
out
and
test
the
waters
on
this
because
among
the
projects-
if
I
can
just
finish,
if
you
don't
mind
councilmember
among
the
projects
that
we're
going
to
talk
about-
eventually-
maybe
not
in
full
tonight,
but
it's
cal
and
west
right-
and
you
know
that
is
not
specifically
listed
in
the
half
cent
sales
tax
referendum.
K
Through
the
half
cent
half
cent
sales
tax,
and
I
think
anybody
logically
would
tell
you
if
we're
going
to
go,
tear
up
part
of
calhoun
street
and
build
pumps
at
the
end
of
calhoun
street
and
do
all
sorts
of
things
to
clear
it
of
and
free
it
up
for
water.
So
people
can
get
to
the
hospital
people
can
take
low
country.
Rapid
transit
people
can
get
all
over
the
place.
K
So
I
just
I
don't
want
to
add
a
workload
to
our
legal
team,
but
I
think
it's
something
that
we
need
to
think
about
going
forward
as
to
how
this
all
the
interplay
and
what
role
the
dor
has,
which
I
suspect,
councilman
rappel,
is
fairly
large
in
how
we
spend
monies
that
are
collected
through
any
kind
of
tax
revenue,
whether
whether
it's
an
elect
you
know
a
tax
revenue,
if
I
referendum
or
not
so
anyway,
I
just
I.
K
G
Thank
you
just
real
quickly
and
thank
you,
councilman
seekings,
for
sort
of
throwing
some
support
behind
this
idea.
Do
you
all
know
if
city
council
members
can
request
attorney
general
opinions
around
here
completely?
G
Maybe
that's
something
we
ought
to
do,
because
I
agree
with
councilman
seeking
it's
a
big
big
deal,
that's
going
to
pop
its
head
up
over
and
over
in
potentially
all
of
our
districts,
and
it's
an
important
legal
issue
that,
frankly,
this
region
needs
some
guidance
on
not
just
for
this
matter,
but
for
future
matters.
There's.
B
Going
to
be
others,
no
doubt
about
that,
but
we've
got
you
think
we
ought
to
try
to
talk
first.
Before
doing
that,
I
think
we
ought
to
try
to
you
know.
We
got
three
lawyers
on
this
four
lawyers
on
this
in
this
committee.
So,
and
can
we
get
maybe
a
just
a
sit
down
with
our
legal
people
and
their
illegal
people?
D
Well,
let
me
talk
with
our
council
about
that.
If
you
don't
mind.
D
And
wilbur
as
well,
because
I
I
don't
want
to
throw
any
water
on
an
important
project
in
the
future.
If
you,
if
you
catch
my
drift,
oh.
D
B
Anyways,
I
believe
we
we
are
allies
in
the
area,
so
I
I'm
with
you.
Yes,
sir.
Okay,
thank
you
for
all
your
input
on
that
now
we
go
back
to
calhoun
west,
mr
fountain.
B
Well,
would
you
mind
if
we
would
you
mind
if
we
put
that
for
the
next
meeting,
councilman
seeking
that'd.
K
B
B
Thank
you
for
being
understanding
councilman,
mr
thought.
We're
going
down
to
number
two
update
on
all
his
work.
C
C
All
right
dupont,
this
will
be
relatively
brief.
Mr
chairman,
I
think
your
your
main
interest,
if
I
recall
correctly,
was
orleans
woods
portion
of
the
dupont
wahpoo
update,
so
we
did
do
quite
a
bit
of
follow-up
work
in
this
neighborhood.
Looking
for
both
short-term
work,
we
could
do
and
then
also
potential
small
project
work.
C
C
C
We
could
probably
do
some
contract
cleaning
on
which
we
actually
have
some
some
idc
contract
cleaning
money
that
we
could
use
outside
of
even
the
small
project
work,
and
then
we
found
a
few
driveway
pipes
and
a
few
of
the
culvert,
the
cross
road
culvert
pipes
that
would
stand
to
be
upgraded
and
provide
some
benefit
that
we
could
look
at
as
a
small
project
work.
So
we're
going
to
come
back
to
you
all
with
the
small
project
requests,
including
basically,
what
you're
seeing
in
red
on
this.
C
In
addition
to
the
hand
clean
work
we
already
did
and
the
contract
and
pipe
work
that
we've
got
scheduled
for
cleaning
out
in
this
area.
Okay,
that's
kind
of
this,
this
short
area.
Of
course
you
know
dupont
wapo,
I
think
we're
mostly
familiar
with
with
the
projects.
We
talked
about
projects,
one
through
four,
what
we're
working
through
right
now,
projects,
one
three
and
four
which
really
involved
the
epic
center
citizen
wall
property.
C
We've
basically
been
been
going
back
and
forth
with
the
epic
center.
They
did
produce
a
model
with
some
ideas
for
their
redevelopment
requirements
in
on
the
property
in
return
for
sort
of
formalizing,
some
of
the
easements
that
that
do
exist,
but
there's
certainly
some
some
contention
about
the
quality
of
the
easement
dedication.
C
We
finished
that
review
with
aecom
and
or
have
to
now
get
back
with
the
epic
center
to
see
where
we
are
with
finalizing
that
negotiation,
but
I
think
we're
we're
getting
we're
getting
there
with
the
property
acquisition
part,
which
is
always
the
one
of
the
lengthiest
components
of
any
major
capital
project
so
you're.
Just
if
you
had
any
details
area,
one
was
kind
of
that
tie-in
from
hazelwood
taberwood
area
back.
I
C
Can
sit
on
wall
property
area.
I
C
C
I
think
then,
area
three
we've
been
looking
at
the
citadel
wallet,
basically
making
this
an
open
channel
section
through
the
back
side
of
the
mall
turning
into
a
full-scale
drainage
canal,
and
then
the
mall
would
look
she
kind
of
moved
down
towards
between
area
and
three
and
four
potentially
adding
in
like
a
large
floodable
green
space
as
an
amenity
on
the
property
as
part
of
their
requirements
for
redevelopment
of
the
property,
so
that
I
think
that
would
be
great
from
both
redevelopment
and
stormwater
perspective.
Modeling
seems
to
hold
up
that.
C
C
I
can
send
you
I'll,
send
you
the
the
the
detailed
one
for
kind
of
the
hazelwood
taper
wood
area?
Yes,.
B
B
Hazelwood,
you
know
it
was
on
the
84.
You
know
davis
floyd
report
to
put
larger
pipes
going
through
there.
What's
the
status
on
that.
C
So
that's
that
the
cross
pipes
under
the
roads
or
what
we
showed
is
potential
small
project
upgrades
the
larger
work
to
connect
that
large
canal
through
the
citadel
law
property.
That
is,
the
kind
of
phase
phase
projects
one
and
three
in
the
dupont.
Wapu
improvements
to
aecom's
designing
right
now
and
that
the
work
the
restrictions
are
mostly
along
orleans
road
and
then
on
the
back
side
of
the
mall.
C
B
All
right,
let
me
I
appreciate
all
that
work
I'll,
come
back
with
you
individually
on
on
that,
as
far
as
you
know,
taking
up
more
time
today,
but
I
thank
you
so
much
for
doing.
C
B
C
B
Me
do
this
if
we
could,
let's,
let's
put
cooper
jackson
unless
there's
some
objections
on
to
the
next
agenda
as
well,
and
discussion
on
current
stonewall,
capital
improvement,
project
allocations
and
the
drainage
fund
allocation.
Are
we
going
to
have
a
workshop
soon,
like
next
month.
C
We
are
so,
mr
chairman,
the
workshop
will
be
with
budget
ad
hoc,
so
this
was
just
a
chance
for
the
public
works
utilities
committee
to
sort
of
see
what
budget
ad
hoc
would
talk
about
and
see.
If
there
was
any
projects
missing
from
the
list
or
any
input
they
wanted
to
have
to
the
budget
ad
hoc
committee.
B
Okay,
when
is
the
budget
act?
Are
we
going
to
have
one
more
public
works
before
that
before
the
workshop?
I.
A
A
Ask
mr
chairman
that,
since
we're
going
to
look
at
this
at
the
ad
hoc
section,
if
it
just
makes
sense
if
mr
fountain
emailed
to
us
what
that
list
is
I've
got
a
pretty
good
idea.
What's
on.
C
C
A
B
C
And
I'll
try
to
move
through
it
very
quickly
and
if
there's
questions
that
way,
you
can
always
reach
out
to
me
later
about
it.
So
I
just
one
just
one
quick
presentation
from
context:
this
is
a
this
isn't
part
of
our
graph.
This
is
out
of
the
basically
the
st
louis
federal
reserve
branch
showing
some
of
the
inflationary
issues
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
C
This
graph
is
starting
in
march
of
2020,
and
it's
this
is
industrial
building
construction,
which
is
certainly
not
a
perfect
corollary
to
any
of
our
projects,
but
has
many
of
the
same
features
you
would
see
in
a
heavy
duty
civil
construction
project,
so
you
can
see
we
were
seeing
an
uptick
but
nothing
excessive
in
inflation
up
to
about
may
2021
and
then
from
may
2021
to
current
day
you
know
they're
showing
almost
a
17
percent
construction
inflation
in
this
industry,
so
again
not
a
perfect
corollary,
but
just
something
to
be
cautious
about
as
we're
allocating
funds
that
there
is
a
lot
of
uncertainty
in
projects
that
are
not
through
the
bidding
process.
C
Yet
right
now,
these
numbers
do
come
down.
Sometimes,
interestingly,
as
well,
because
some
of
the
supply
chain
issues
do
get
relieved
but
like
concrete
pipe
right
now
is
anywhere
from
12
weeks
to
26
weeks,
depending
on
what
kind
of
concrete
you're
buying
just
to
get
your
concrete
pipe
on
site.
So
it's
it's
a
that's
due
to
the
reinforcing
steel.
It's
not
due
to
the
concrete.
C
It's
the
reinforcing
steel,
that's
causing
the
issues,
but
just
as
awareness,
it's
it's
a
little
nerve-wracking
right
now
for
everybody,
who's,
trying
to
estimate,
project
budgets
and
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
scared
engineers
when
they're
trying
to
come
up
with
opinions
on
who
are
bidding
on
those
projects
as
well
feel
the
same
way
which,
when
you
have
uncertainty,
it
raises
price,
is
what
happens
so
just
this
is
not
about
that,
especially
I
just
want
to
throw
throw
that
in.
This
is
about
just
just
very
briefly
running
through
the
existing
allocations.
C
That
council
has
authorized
from
different
funding
sources
into
drainage-oriented
projects
and
I'll
send
out
the
sheet
again
because
it's
a
lot
of
stuff,
but
basically
what
it
shows
is
it
it'll
list
the
project
say
what's
currently
been
allocated
in
the
sheet
and
where
that
allocation
is
from
so,
for
instance,
barbary,
woods
out
of
the
drainage
fund
has
been
allocated
seven
million
one
hundred
fifty
one
thousand
one
hundred
ninety
eight
dollars
by
council
design,
work
and
then
it'll
have
by
year,
so
things
that
happened
before
this
year.
C
C
Then
we'll
have
like
a
design
column
that
says
what
we're
spending
or
estimating
on
design
and
then
separate
columns
for
like
barbary.
Woods
is
unusual
and
it
has
a
major
property
acquisition
which
most
of
our
projects
don't
construction
cei,
which
is
just
the
inspection
work
for
construction.
C
C
You
need
3.5
million
that
year,
777,
000
of
which
is
not
currently
allocated
just
for
clarity
on
how
the
sheet
reads:
the
color
coding
and
then
the
sheet
on
the
side
do
kind
of
list
what
funds
are
likely
most
likely
for
that
project
if
you
were
to
allocate.
C
C
Church
creek
has
some
un
unfunded
allocation
amounts
for
the
the
flood
storage
work
that
we're
doing,
but
there
is
the
tiff
that's
available.
That's
why
it's
in
green,
rather
than
being
funded
by
the
drainage
fund.
You
know
I
would
assume
that
that
would
likely
be
a
tiff
funded
project
to
preserve
the
drainage
fund.
B
Go
back
to
that.
I
I
know
this
miss
wharton's,
probably
gonna
update
us
on
that.
But
do
we
know
how
the
revenues
are
coming
into
the
tif
out
there
at
you
know,
church
creek.
C
D
I
just
got
the
one
number
that
she
indicates:
we
should
be
able
to
bond
about
four
million
dollars
this
year
based
on,
what's
happened
so
far.
D
Okay,
for
that
fifth
district
and
mr
chairman,
if
I
may
ask
a
question
for
clarification,
so
just
using
that
barbary
woods
for
an
example,
you've
got
seven
one
allocated
and
by
the
time
it's
all
done,
you
you
end
up
being
777
short
one
year
and
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
short
the
other
year,
so
so
total
the
projects
about
4.2
million
dollars
short
right
now,
based
upon
your
projection.
Is
that
correct?
C
Mayor,
okay,
gotcha,
and
so
that
one,
for
instance,
with
barbary,
I
think
we
have
always
looked
at
trying
to
leverage
city
dollars
into
potentially
a
nif
with
grant.
So
whether
or
not
you
choose
to
fund
it
out
of
the
drainage
fund
or
whether
you
wait
for
potential
grant,
funding
like
those
are
options
that
council
has
you
don't
have
to
allocate
it
in.
We
can
sit
on
the
construction
with
a
shovel
ready
project
with
land
acquired
thinking.
It's
a
good
grant
candidate,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
we
understand
where
we
are
on
each
individual
project.
C
Understood.
Thank
you.
So
then
we
have
church
creek
which
we're
again
I'll
send
out
the
spreadsheet.
So
everyone
has
it
and
they
can
spend
more
time
looking
at
it,
but
again
show
some
of
the
expected
shortfalls
in
the
currently
allocated
funding,
which
we
think
will
be
able
to
close
that
gap
with
the
tiff
without
any
issue,
which
is
again
the
purpose
of
the
diff,
the
concord
pump
station
upfit
is
one
of
the
most
unknown
ones
that
that
lines
up
the
tightest
with
that
industrial
building
inflation.
C
I
just
showed
you,
which
is
where
we're
that
one's
a
cmar
so
we're
going
to
bring
in
an
actual
contractor
and
work
through
our
construction
costs.
But
there
is
some
real
uncertainty
on
that
one,
and
I'm
trying
to
lay
that
out
in
the
sheet
of
saying
be
careful
on
some
of
these
that
they
are
likely
to
be
more
expensive
than
we
would
have
thought
a
year
ago,
when
that
cip
was
last
updated.
C
It
it
is
it's
it's
a
little
bit
over
20
years
old,
mr
chairman,
it's
the
original
pumps
and
the
the
pumps
that
we
have
in
there
are
no
longer
supported
or
manufactured,
and
they
basically
need
to
be
replaced,
and
it's
it's
very
hard
to
replace
pumps
while
keeping
the
pump
station
running
as
well
as
all
the
electrical
and
mechanical.
So
it's
it
really
needs
to
be
done,
because
it's
a
huge
area
that
it
feeds
to.
Oh.
C
C
C
Yes
yeah,
then
it
was
underwater
a
so
cooper
jackson
here
this
is
the
east
side
work
again
we're
expecting
a
borrowing
out
of
that
cooper
bridge
tiff
to
be
able
to
support
this
funding,
that's
also
in
very
early
project
stages.
Actually,
the
presentation
is
is
a
it
will
have.
The
next
meeting
is
to
basically
launch
us
into
our
actual
design
and
permanent
work.
Now
that
we've
done
the
concept
and
the
outreach
work
in
the
neighborhood
and
it
seems
to
be
pretty
well
supported,
earhart,
so
there's
no
lack
of
funding
in
earhart.
C
At
this
point,
the
numbers
came
in
pretty
well
from
the
bid
we
just
approved
all
that
at
council.
I
mean
it
does
have
drainage
fund
money
in
it
about
seven
point:
nine
million
dollars,
including
the
money
we've
already
spent
the
973
000,
but
that
one
seems
on
track.
Forced
acres,
mr
chairman,
this
is
one
where
the
construction
inflation
has
our
consultant
very
concerned,
and
they
think
there
might
be
as
much
as
2.6
2.7
million
dollars
of
additional
cost
from
when
we
budgeted
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
because
of
all
the
box.
C
Culvert,
that's
going
in
which
again
reinforcing
steel
and
concrete
is
one
of
the
challenges
right
now,
so
we'll
likely
need
to
allocate
into
that
one
in
the
short
run.
Since
we're
going
to
be
going
out,
we
literally
went
out
for
bid
either
today
or
tomorrow.
It's
going
out
on
the
street
for
construction
bidding.
B
So
how
much
of
the
money
on
that?
We
still
have
money
out
the
2012
bond,
the
funding.
C
We
do
so
we've.
The
original
bond
allocation
is
about
15
and
a
half
we've
spent
12.6
of
that
on
the
original
construction
and
on
the
design
for
the
current
phase.
So
there's
roughly
three
million
dollars
of
the
existing
bond
left
on
that
project
and
then
we'll
have
to
add
in
some
additional
funding
to
close
that
gap.
Thank
you,
king
and
eugene
phase,
one
and
phase
two
again:
we've
we've
applied
for
hmgp
and
brick
grants
on
this
project,
but
we
do
still
have
likely
a
shortfall
about
four
million.
C
We
actually
have
our
our
bar
submission
this
wednesday.
So
we'll
know
more
once
we
start
getting
back
info
from
the
bar
on
what
level
of
aesthetic
outfit
they'll
require
for
the
property,
but
our
architects
had
some
great
ideas
trying
to
keep
that
cost
as
low
as
possible
market
street.
C
We
could
talk
about,
but
I
don't
think
we
need
to
necessarily
in
great
detail
again
when
you
talk
about
unknowns,
that's
one
of
the
hardest
for
budget,
estimating
we're
working
through
underground
with
dominion
right
now,
so
we'll
have
more
information
by
the
end
of
the
year.
On
that
low
battery,
we've
talked
about
I'm
showing
it
unfunded
here,
because
we
haven't
technically
approved
the
hospitality
bond,
but
obviously
that's
on
the
council
agenda
and
it
is
a
likely
way
to
close
that
funding
gap.
C
Phase
four
spring
fishburn
with
the
infrastructure
bank
and
king
street
gateway,
tip
funding,
phase
five
spring
fishburn
with
the
infrastructure
bank
in
king
street
gateway,
tiff
funding
and
then
the
windemere
project,
which
again
there's
this
one
is
a
two-fold
there's
about.
4.6
million
currently
allocated
we're
expecting
about
3
million
of
increase.
Some
of
that
is
due
to
inflation.
C
C
So
this
is
where
I'm
trying
to
wrap
summaries
in
a
little
bit,
so
there's
a
sense
of
scale.
What
we're
spending
on
projects
both
allocated
and
again,
if
we
were
to
allocate
the
rest
of
the
project
to
receive
grant
funding
per
year.
This
is
about
our
construction
spending
construction
engineering
spending.
C
How
much
of
it
is
coming
out
of
the
drainage
fund
is
the
next
column
once
you
take
out
grants
and
tiffs
and
hospitality
fees
and
other
things
cws
matching.
C
This
is
the
section
again
of
unallocated
money
that
we
expect
to
need
again
whether
it's
a
grant
whether
it
is
allocated
in
those
years,
there's
there's
options
and
then
down
here
is
the
breakout
of
what
those
unallocated
dollars
are
each
year.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
what
are
we
talking
about
from
a
project
perspective?
So
2023
is
forced
acres
2024.
C
again
if
we
were
to
choose
to
allocate
barbary
woods
concord
pump
station
if
we
were
to
choose
to
allocate
king
ug
phase
two
or
if
we
look,
hopefully
we'll
we'll
get
grants
on
some
of
these
as
well.
We've
been
incredibly
successful
with
grants,
but
it's
not
a
guarantee.
So
that's.
That's
the
first
sheet:
that's
the
quick
roll
up.
The
second
tab
is
projects
of
consideration
that
we're
also
aware
of
this
is
central
park
or
womba,
which
johnson
gregory
talks
about
quite
a
bit
where
we
expect
to
see
costs
in
the
future.
C
Of
course,
none
of
that
has
been
allocated
at
this
point.
We've
only
had
the
stormwater
account
allocating
in
for
initial
design
work
dupont.
Wapu
again,
we
have
a
county
contribution,
a
small
project
allocation
for
the
design,
the
initial
design
work.
But
then
we
have
our
expected.
Basically
unfunded
construction
work
for
phases,
one
through
four.
B
I
don't
understand:
we've
been
working
on
this
thing
in
one
form,
another
five
years
do
what,
when
we
first
had
the
joint
session
between
well,
that's
olson,
andrews
school
right
between
the
county
and
the
city
and
and
the
community
to
work
on
this.
What
the
county!
When
I
speak
to
the
county
people
you
know
well,
it
seems
like
they
got
their
money
ready
to
go.
Why
are
we
out
in
23
before
we
even
get
some
construction
going
on.
C
So
we
are
likely
to
need
the
rest
of
2022
to
finalize
the
design
and
permitting
work
in
the
property
acquisition.
So
we
can't
really
start
construction
until
we
get
that
property,
a
kind
of
agreed
upon
with
the
epic
center,
the
way
it's
laid
out,
and
then
we
have
to
get
our
permits
finalized.
Once
we
have
that.
B
C
For
for
the
first
three
or
I
think
it's
projects,
one
three
and
four,
the
the
project
to
the
south
along
seventeen
would
be
with
mr
blasis,
but
that's
a
difference
at
a
project
than
the
citadel
law
project.
F
C
C
So
they
will
see
some
secondary
benefits
by
improving
the
downstream
area.
Mr
chairman,
but
some
of
those
are
into
this
dupont.
Wapu
projects,
five
through
ten,
that
is
still
a
project.
We've
done
the
conceptual
engineering,
but
not
gotten
into
design
and
permitting.
Yet
we
just
need
to
get
funding
allocated,
to
be
able
to
design
and
permit
those,
but
you
can't
design
a
primitive
until
you
get
phases,
one
through
four
finalized
from
a
design
and
right-of-way
perspective.
B
I
get
I
get
that
mr
fountain,
but
it
didn't
it
took
less
than
six
years
to
do
the
ravenel
bridge
and
that's
the
largest
infrastructure
project
in
the
history
of
the
state
of
south
carolina.
So
again,
when
you
start
talking
about
six
years
of
trying
to
get
some
piping
and
I'm
oversimplifying
and
we're
trying
to
work
jointly
with
the
county,
there's
something
about
that.
B
That
doesn't
said
well
yeah
yeah
you're
talking
about
five
to
ten
years,
so
you
already
talked
about
15
years
potentially
before
this
gets
done
anyway,
I'll
circle
back
on
that,
but
something
about
that
doesn't
and
said.
Well,
let's
put
it
like
that
matter
of
fact,
I
didn't
do
50.
I
think
it
for
a
little
bit
for
the
bad
for
the
low
battery
wall.
I
don't
think
it's
a
15
year
anyway,
because.
C
B
Well,
that's
that's
my
point
on
this
thing.
With
I
mean
you've
got
water
going
in
people's
housing
and
a
lot
of
times
you're
talking
about
gravity
flow
to
fix
it.
You
know
I
thought
about
getting
some
well,
that's
180
feet
down
down,
you
know
down
in
the
ground
and
then
you
know
50
million
dollars
worth
of
pump
station.
We
don't
like
getting
right
away.
I
mean
for
a
common
good.
B
C
And
that
is,
I
guess,
mr
sherman,
where
we
get
back
to
the
funding
allegations.
That's
probably
what
we're
having
that
discussion
is.
If
we
have
funding
allocated,
we
have
more
options
on
how
we
can
move
a
project
forward,
but
without
funding,
we're
normally
kind
of
scraping
and
trying
to
keep
it
moving
the
best
we
can
without
much
in
the
way
of
resources.
B
You
see,
for
example,
we
got
barbary,
woods
up
there
and
all
sherwood
automotive
and
suffering
with
drainage
longer
than
barbarian
woods
has
been
been
built.
Okay,
I
mean
these
people
have
been
fight
fighting
with
drainage
problems
for
decades.
Robert
woods,
I
don't
even
know
if
barbara
was
20
years
old,
but
arma
is
probably
50.
B
G
Thank
you,
councilman
waring,
and
I
mean
I,
you
know
I
think
you're
touching
on
something
that's
extremely
important
and
it's
the
reality.
I
mean
the
scale
and
magnitude
of
the
flooding
problems,
especially
off
the
peninsula,
just
dwarf
our
current
funding
revenue
streams
for
dedicated
for
for
for
storm
water.
G
I
mean
we,
we
just
don't
have
enough
money
to
solve
these
problems
and
and
without
you
know,
redredging
the
conversation
we
had
about
councilman
shealy's
item
I
mean
that's,
why
we
either
need
to
be
given
legislative
authority
to
have
a
serious
storm
water
funding
stream
of
revenue,
or
I
don't
know
because
right
now
it
feels
like
we're.
You
know
for
all
the
wonderful
things
we're
doing
downtown
and
my
god
we're
doing
some
amazing
stuff
with
spring
fish
burn
et
cetera.
G
It
is
just
you
go
it's
like
you're,
going
into
another
galaxy
when
you
get
off
the
peninsula
into
into
these
other
areas
and
it
impacts
every
single
one
of
our
districts
and
it's
not
anything.
The
city
is
doing
wrong
so
to
speak.
We
just
have
a
water
gun
and
we're
being
asked
to
put
out
a
you
know
a
five
alarm
blaze,
and
this
is
a
serious,
serious
problem.
I
mean
if
the
city
of
charleston
could
pass
a
half
cent
sales
tax
specifically
tailored
for
stormwater
matters.
G
I
I
bet
you
we
could
bond
off
that
revenue
and
solve
all
these
problems.
We
just
don't
have
the
power
to
do
it
currently
and
and
we
need
it
and
and
look
what
the
county's
been
able
to
do
with
the
half
cent
sales
tax.
We
just
need
something
similar
to
do
this,
because
the
the
drainage
fund
in
the
stormwater
utility
you
know
fee
is
just
not
going
to
get
us
there
on
on
its
own.
Unfortunately,.
B
I
understand
councilman,
I
agree
with
you
not
99
100,
but
at
some
point
in
time
we
got
to
get
an
action
state
and
if
that
means
we
pass
on
the
city,
a
half
cent
sales
tax
for
drainage
and
carry
it
up
to
the
court
system.
At
least
we
got
an
action
step
going.
Okay
right
now
we
have
a
heartly
contested
conversation
and
that's
it.
B
The
people
on
the
state
level
aren't
challenged
with
that
right
now,
they're
not
challenged
with
saying
I
don't
support
a
half
cent
sales
tax
for
drainage
in
the
city
of
charleston,
our
state
representatives,
our
senators
and
our
delegation
are
the
ones
that
do
in
my
opinion.
There
should
be
supporting
them
in
colombia,
but
we're
not
even
asking
them
to
do
it.
B
Councilmember
shade.
So.
A
A
These
are
expensive
projects,
but
this
they're
small
and
dull
numbers
compared
to
what
we're
looking
at
with
10
million
dollars
over
here.
7.5
million
is
over
there,
but
it
has
a
huge
impact
on
our
community
and-
and
I
know
I'm
dead
for
some
speaking
dead
foreign
on
this
thing.
But
this
is
a
problem
that
we
don't
have
a
priority
list
of
how
to
how
to
tackle
this,
and
you
know
here's
a
concern.
We
know
we've
got
a
limited
hot
money
available.
How
how
do
we
spend
this
money?
A
You
know-
and
I
get
it
I
mean
the
the
the
september
car
parkway
is
an
important
it
handles
a
bunch
of
traffic
that
people
go
back
and
forth
from
my
pleasure
to
west
ashley
people
come
down
to
the
to
the
low
battery
to
enjoy
that.
That's
a
huge
economic
benefit
to
us.
I
get
all
of
that
stuff
I
mean.
I
know
the
none
of
these
are
not
unimportant
projects,
but
how
do
we
get
our
hands
around
this
thing
before
it's
taking
control
over
us?
B
Right,
it
gets
more
expensive
the
longer
we
wait,
you're
100
right
it
ain't
getting
cheaper
personally
yeah
that
piece
that
councilmember
pal
just
said
about
that
you
know:
have
some
sales
tax
with
training
or
some
sort
of
you
know
some
portion
of
a
painting
for
drainage.
I
just
think
we
I
think
we
do
it
and
then
we
get
in
the
courts
with
it,
and
I
see
where
it
goes,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
think
we
have
to
try
for
our
people.
B
I
don't
think
we
if
somebody
wants
to
come
at
me,
because
I
want
to
try
to
raise
money
to
fix
drainage,
I'm
okay
with
that,
I'm
really
I'm!
Okay
to
me.
It's
affordable
housing
because
people
have
to
live
and
drainage
in
that
order,
and
it's
like
one
and
one
eight
okay,
so
I
don't.
I
don't,
have
any
trouble
we'll
put
something
on
the
agenda,
mr
men,
if
you
don't
want
to
sponsor
it,
I
don't
have
any
trouble
sponsoring
that
we
can
get
a
second.
B
We
get
a
majority
we
need
to
bring.
We
need
to
make
that
be
an
issue,
because
this
is
something
that's
germane
to
the
coastal
areas.
You
know
if
you
live
up
in
greenville,
that's
not
the
issue
with
even
colombia,
that's
not
an
issue,
but
the
challenge
needs
to
be
thrown
out
there
all
right,
mr
fountain.
I
feel
sorry
for
you
having
to
listen
to
all
of
this,
but
at
some
point
in
time
we
got
to
get
you
some
money
and
I
mean
serious
money.
C
Say
just
as
only
things
left
in
the
presentation,
just
if
there
are
any
projects
after
I
send
out
the
sheet
that
anyone
is
aware
of
that
they
don't
see
on
the
sheet.
You
know,
let
me
know
and
I'll
make
sure
it's
not
one
of
the
small
projects
we've
been
working
on,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
I
haven't
missed
anyone's
projects
and
then
the
last
item
was
just
this
work
capacity,
graph
kind
of
showing,
where
we've,
where
we've
been,
which
was
starting
in
you,
know,
2019.
C
You
know
last
last
year,
kind
of
seen
our
design
continuing
to
ramp
up
and
now
we're
starting
to
ramp
into
construction
in
2022,
even
though
we're
already
in
2021
still
heavy
design
in
2022
2023
then
sees
an
incredible
amount
of
construction,
as
is
2024.,
and
our
design
starts
to
taper
because,
as
we're
talking
about
that's
where
we
would
look
to
see
allocation
of
potential
future
projects
by
2024.
C
C
B
Back
to
the
previous
page,
please,
and
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
projects
for
councilman
shead,
the
west
honey
number
28.
Can
you
tell
me,
mr
phelan,
I
I've
seen
it
councilman
gee.
Can
you
can
you
give
us
a
little
brief
description,
mr
fountain?
What
does
that
entail?
I
mean
well.
C
This
is
an
area
we
looked
at
where
there's
a
a
section
of
west
ashley,
neighborhood
kind
of
just
to
the
the
west
of
old
town
road
that
oh.
C
It's
an
older
set
of
neighborhoods
that
really
weren't
built
with
much
of
a
drainage
system
right,
individual
roads
have
drainage,
but
it
doesn't
really
go
anywhere.
It
kind
of
runs
into
the
next
neighborhood
was
built
without
allowing
for
an
outfall.
So
what
we
were
looking
to
do
here
is
basically
move
that
drainage,
one
road
to
the
south,
where
there's
some
existing
piping
upsize
that
piping
and
then
install
a
new
pipe
and
roadside
drainage
along
that
road.
C
B
A
That's
a
small
project
issue
that
that
mr
fallon
has
available
for
us
and
that
we've
been
tackling
that
issue.
This
is
a
little
bit
different.
Okay,
all
right
actually
councilman
were
wearing
this
impacts
a
little
bit
potentially
where
your
district,
my
district.
B
A
Yeah-
and
this
is
this-
is
west
county
place,
it's
a
cul-de-sac
built
in
the
in
the
80s
in
an
area
that
probably
the
city
did
not
pay
a
whole
lot
of
attention
to
back
in
when
it
was
constructed,
because
and
we've
actually
got
a
pump
that
the
city
installed
these
people's
backyards
that
we
have
to
take
care
of
it
is
it's
been
some
relief
with
that
com?
Even
this
is
the
one
we've
been
dealing
with
for
five
years,
we're
trying.
B
A
B
A
D
Yeah,
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
did
just
want
to
update
y'all
that
you
know
I
I
stay
in
touch
with
the
our
friends
at
the
municipal
association
and
for
some
years
now,
they've
they've
kept
alive
a
request
to
the
state
legislature
for
our
additional
half
cent
sales
tax
local
option
for
infrastructure.
D
There's
been
no
appetite
according
to
todd
glover,
our
director
from
from
the
legislature.
For
that,
perhaps
if
we
put
a
you
know
a
flooding,
drainage,
spin
on
it
or
or
specialty,
we
might
have
a
little
more
success
with
that
in
the
future.
But
you
know
the
the
the
state
legislatures
is
not
very
responsive
to
any
kind
of
increase
in
our
authority
to
raise
revenue
in
general.
I
just
that
there
is
that
reality
out
there.
D
Now
I
I
did
want
to
remind
everyone
that
you
know
we
had
made
requests
for
a
bunch
of
of
these
existing
projects
for
some
of
the
state,
arp
funds
and
and
what
the
proposed
budget
where
it's
headed
is
that
some
substantial
figure
either
seven
eight
nine
hundred
thousand
nine
hundred
million.
D
I'm
sorry,
depending
on
who
you
talk
to,
will
be
kind
of
moved
over
to
the
deceptive
name,
rural
infrastructure
agency,
to
do
grants
for
water
sewer
and
for
drainage,
and
so
our
intent
at
this
point
when,
when
that
budget,
state
budget
gets
approved
and
all
those
funds
get
moved
over
to
the
riaa,
is
that
basically
anything
we
got
here?
A
million
dollars
or
more
is
to
apply
for
funding
through
through
this
mechanism
and
and
and
see
see
how
we
do
with
that.
D
You
know,
because
from
what
I
understand
we'll
be
able
to
apply
for
existing
projects
like
the
shortfall
of
phase
two
west
ashley
or
for
any
any
of
these
really
so
we'll
we'll
see
how
that
works
out,
but
we're
certainly
going
to
be
applying
for
those
and
every
dollar
we
get
from
any
of
them
was,
is
a
dollar
that
we
can
move
to
one
of
these
future
projects.
B
Anyway,
mr
fountain,
I
think
you
all
in
okay,
thank
you
for
for
doing
this.
You're
right,
it
would
send
the
spreadsheet
out
without
explanation.
You're
right
would
have
been
a
little
bit
of
a
foreign
language,
any
additional
influence,
but
long
meeting.
I
appreciate
everybody's
input,
but
you
know
we
are
where
we
are
on
these
projects,
and
you
know
it
takes.
B
It
takes
hard
work
to
get
this
stuff
done.
No
doubt
about
it.
It's
not
ceremonial
work,
councilman,
shane,.
A
G
D
I'll
make
one
last
comment:
if
I
may
miss
chairman
and
my
cousin
that
last
slide,
we
didn't
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
the
one
showing
the
capacity,
but
if
you
think
about
it
and
look
at
it
for
a
minute,
it's
it's
pretty
a
remarkable
shift.
That's
occurring!
That's
that's,
leading
to
incredible
investment.
D
This
year
next
year
and
in
24
from
the
planning
that
we've
been
in
design,
that's
been
going
on
over
the
last
few
years.
You
see
how
the
the
green
portion
gets
bigger
and
then
goes
smaller
and
more
construction
is
occurring
and-
and
we
I
I
would
say-
without
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
staff-
that
matt
and
his
team
have
really
kind
of
maxed
out
just
the
capacity
of
what
we
can
spend
it
in
any
given
year.
D
So
so
there
is
the
reality
of
that,
but
it
also,
I
think,
shows
here
in
this
one
picture,
what
a
terrific
job
they've
done
over
the
last
couple
of
years
in
moving
and
moving
all
of
these
things
along
so.
B
You're
right,
mr
man,
I
mean
I'm
kind
of
remiss
looking
at
what
we
need
to
do.
What
we've
done
has
been
phenomenal.
I
mean
if
you
go
back
five
years,
I
mean
ten
years
ago
and
come
forward.
I
mean
the
graph
would
be
on
a
45
degree
angle,
going
from
little
getting
done
and
to
a
lot
being
done
with
limited
resources.
B
Frankly,
a
lot
of
that
with
fountain,
I
mean
your
team
that
you,
your
leadership
and
the
team
you
put
together
is
creating
efficiencies
that
allow
us
to
do
some
of
this
frank
and
the
knowledge
that
you
brought.
B
So
thank
you
so
much
for
what
you've
done.
There's
nothing
like
having
things
to
do
and
don't
have
the
money
to
do
man,
that's
frustrating
for
all
of
us.
B
C
B
All
right,
listen,
we
gotta
start
providing
meals
for
these
kind
of
meetings.
B
G
B
Did
we
did
all
right?
Listen,
I
won't
even
wait
for
a
motion
by
acclimation.
We
stand
adjourned.
So
thank
you
for
all.
This
is
a
good
meeting.
Thanks.