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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 4/11/2022
B
C
While
we're
waiting,
that
sure
was
a
beautiful
day
perfect
day
this
morning
for
the
completion
of
phase
two
at
the
low
battery
and
starting
phase
three,
thank
you,
everybody
involved.
I
should
have
read
what
was
on
that
that
plaque.
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
so
it's
etched
in
the
glass
but
but
did
y'all
inspect
that
little
glass
panel
there
it's
it's
pretty
thick,
I
mean
it's
very
substantial.
C
So,
council
councilmember,
where
mr
chairman,
I
was
just
commenting
on
this
glass
panel
that
we
use
to
as
a
plaque
for
the
dedication
of
low
battery
this
morning,
and
it's
a
it's
a
sample
of
a
panel
that
you
could
use
down
the
road
to
elevate
the
protection
of
the
low
battery
without
having
a
solid
wall.
C
You
could
have
literally
glass
panels
between
pillars
that
folks
could
see
through
and
it
wouldn't
you
wouldn't
lose
your
view
of
the
water
on
the
top
two
feet
of
of
the
wall
which
we're
going
to
need
at
some
point
down
the
road.
Anyway,
it's
a
it's
pretty
cool.
It's
it's
substantial.
B
D
I
don't
know,
let's
get
callers,
meaning
the
order
and
I'm
gonna
ask
councilman
vowed
to
bring
a
few
words.
Please.
He
who
has
the
youngest
child
on
council.
D
Any
question
on
those
minutes
hearing
that
all
in
favor
please
say:
hi
hi
hi
any
opposed.
Thank
you.
Item
c
request
to
set
a
public
hearing
for
the
closing
and
abandonment
portion
of
third
avenue
so
moved.
F
Mr
chairman,
mr
chairman,
before
we
go,
this
is
a
request
that
we
received
through
the
legal
department
julia's
on
here.
We've
received
this
request
in
the
past
and
jason
kronsberg
has
joined
us
also
and
I'd
like
to
defer
if
I
could
to
jason,
to
get
started
normally
before
we
take
these
requests
to
set
the
public
hearing.
We
check
with
city
staff
to
see
if
there's
any
concern
about
that.
So
jason.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
just
maybe
speaking
a
few
words
about
maybe
the
city
and
our
concern
for
this.
G
Sure,
good
afternoon,
everyone,
so
this
request
has
come
up
before
and
I
think
it
had
come
up
many
years
ago.
So
you
see
where
I
believe
that's
8th
avenue
comes
in
that
portion
of
the
of
the
right-of-way
was
abandoned
some
time
ago.
G
G
G
If
that
ever
was
the
need,
but
it
also
provides
the
opportunity
to
defend
the
city
against
sea
level
rise
if
you
needed
this
to
to
burm
it
if
you
needed
it
to
place
a
wall,
it's
city
land,
and
we
just
need
to
consider
in
a
hundred
years
what
that
city
land
may
need
to
be
used
for.
G
So
it's
got
a
wonderful
kind
of
northwestern
view,
and
in
this
area
of
wagner
terrace,
it
really
could
provide
a
nice
place
for
a
a
bench
or
a
small
walking
trail
or
potentially
bridged
over
to
the
longborough
neighborhood,
where
we
continue
to
negotiate
for
a
waterfront
dock
there.
So
that's
from
the
park's
point
of
view
you
got
to
put
that
100
year
cap
on
and
just
say
you
know
in
100
years,
50
years,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
what
could
the
city
use
this
land
for?
So
that's
just
my
perspective.
B
I
I'm
very
familiar
with
this
land.
I
lived
over
on
grove
street
and
we
walked
back
into
this
area
and
I'm
looking
at
the
aerial
photograph
that
mr
croninberg
has
put
up
and
he's
right
about
the
comments
about
this
land.
How
pretty
it
is-
and
I
was
reading
the
email
that
came
in
for
all
the
requests.
B
A
I'm
the
the
applicant
is
actually
attempting
to
get
into
the
meeting
right
now
using
the
zoom
link
and
she's
having
trouble
getting
in,
but
I
will
at
least
tell
you
that
from
her
representation,
so
it
this
is
the
end
of
eighth
avenue
right
here.
Everybody
and
the
city
has
already
abandoned
eighth
avenue
from
the
beginning
of
this
fence
to
the
marsh
at
some
point
in
time.
I
think
it
was
1985.
A
and
then
later
on,
the
quitclaim
itself
kind
of
fell
through
the
crack.
So
recently
she
reached
out
to
the
legal
department
and
janie
borden
finalized
the
quitclaim
deed
to
her
so
from
this
fence
line
right
here
over.
A
This
is
hers
now
from
the
city,
her
neighbor
here,
mr
folk,
has
the
other
half
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
ariel
there's
some
things
along
third
avenue.
So
here's
third
avenue
the
extension
that
runs
along
here
you
can
see
some
neighbors
have
been
putting
putting
structures
and
things
on
here.
That
probably
should
not
be
there.
A
So,
unfortunately,
so
here's
here's
her
position
this
this
fence
right
here,
that's
part
of
her
property
and
then
also
in
this
map.
If
you
see
this
larger
track,
that's
her
property,
it's
four
individual
lots
and
she
had
the
the
property
lines
merged.
So
it's
one
big
lot
here.
A
Her
position
is
this:
this
oak
tree
right
here
this
bank
of
trees-
that
is
the
triangle
that
she's
attempting
to
get
and
her
argument
is
there's
many,
but
one
is
there's
a
tree
on
this
piece
of
property
that
has
not
been
maintained
by
the
city
and
it's
damaging
potentially
going
to
damage
her
fence
here.
Another
is
that
her
property
has
been
eroded
gradually
by
the
water
on
this
side,
so
to
acquire.
A
This
piece
would
balance
it
out
for
setbacks
and
property
line
adjustments
for
a
house
that
she
one
day
intends
to
build
here
and
then
I
think
that's
yeah.
Let
me
pull
the
email
this
time,
at
least
representing.
I
A
I
A
D
C
F
To
answer
that,
for
you
mary
normally,
what
we
do
is
if
the
city
investigation
with
other
departments
made
it
a
positive,
we
would
move
forward
to
setting
a
date,
but
in
this
case,
since
we
had
some
concerns,
you
know
the
way
the
process
is
set
up.
We
normally
wouldn't
even
set.
The
public
hearing
based
on
city
concerns
is
how
we're
usually
done
fast.
I
see.
Thank
you.
Yes,
sir.
A
Oh,
but
anyway,
yeah
she's
she's
trying
to
get
on
the
call
right
now,
but
she
has
she's
very
well
known
amongst
the
staff
members
of
the
city
right
now
for
years
and
years
of
phone
calls
about
this
particular
piece
of
property
could.
A
Sure
so
this
particular
area.
So
let
me
just
say
in
1985
there
was
a
decision
made
by
council
at
that
time
over
five
paper
streets
in
this
area,
and
this
was
incorporated
into
that
and
council
chose
not
to
go
forward
with
the
abandonment
of
third
I'm
at
that
time.
Because
of
the
potential
for
a
vista
for
a
linear
park
in
2019,
another
citizen
came
out
and
asked
for
third
avenue
to
be
closed.
It
was
the
owner
of
this
property
right
here,
mr
maisland.
A
I
don't
know
if
you
all
remember
that,
but
in
2019
he
came
to
council
asking
for
us
to
abandon
a
section
of
third
avenue
here
to
allow
him
access
to
this
piece
of
property,
and
that
request
was
also
denied
for
the
same
reason
that
we're
talking
about
here.
The
fact
that
there
is
this
highland
right
here
that
could
be
used
potentially
as
a
future
linear
park.
A
A
D
Yeah:
let's
do
that?
Why
don't
we
go
with
some
other
items
and
when
you
get
that
technology
figured
out,
then
we
can
come
back
to
it.
Okay,.
D
Not
a
problem
in
that
case,
let's
go
to
item
e
acceptance
and
dedication
the
right
rights
away.
Mr
o'brien,
mr
chairman,.
J
J
D
We,
mr
brian,
is
a
source
of
good
luck.
I
want
you
to
know
that
he
was
out
at
in
syracuse
and
carolina.
Girls
was
on
vying
for
in
the
final
four
for
that
national
championship.
I
had
my
favorite
cap
on
and
he
had
his
fa.
He
was
had
his
presence.
Then
we
won
the
semi
finalists.
You
can't
leave.
You
can't
leave
now
he's
concerned.
D
F
Going
to
stay
to
the
end,
that's
right!
Yes,
sir,
on
this
item
here,
mr
chairman,
this
this
is
another
one
of
our
notices
to
notify
scdot
we're
going
to
take
maintenance
responsibility
for
a
small
portion
of
a
five
foot,
concrete
sidewalk
and
a
little
strip
development
off
of
clemmons
ferry
road
standard.
We've
done
this
before
this
is
a
very
small
section
that
just
barely
touches
a
portion
of
the
scdot
right
away.
D
D
Any
more
discussion
on
that
acceptance
and
dedication,
hearing
that
all
in
favor,
please
say
hi
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you
temporary
encroachments,
mr
o'brien.
Anything
exceptional.
That
needs
to
be
no.
F
D
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
again
as
a
point
of
sort
of
procedure
here.
If
we've
got
before
us
just
a
request
to
put
this
out
for
public
hearing,
I
don't
think
that
public
comment
at
this
point
is
appropriate
right.
This
is
just
for
us
to
put
it
out
there
for
public
hearing
and
as
much
as
we're
excited
to
have
a
citizen
listening
in
on
our
meeting.
This
is
for
us
at
this
point.
I
don't
think
for
public
comment.
D
D
Okay,
second
emails
motion:
all
right
have
a
motion
on
the
floor,
any
more
discussion
on
whether
we
want
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
this
or
not
hearing
none,
okay,
councilman
sacrament.
E
D
D
All
right,
you
see
you
jason.
I
know
you
gotta
start
charging
admission
to
these
meetings.
We
made
some
fun
anyway,
all
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
all
right.
We
got
our
hearing
now
to
g1
public
service
update.
Thank
you
for
that
councilman
season
report
on
lease
with
the
city
of
foley
beach,
with
six
parking
spaces
at
2150,
milford
street.
F
Mr
chairman,
I'm
going
to
ask
melissa
guthrie
from
our
legal
department.
This
is
a
release
that
we've
negotiated
with
the
city
of
folly
beach
for
them
to
lease
six
parking
spaces
for
us
for
their
sanitation
vehicles
and
melissa.
You
want
to
just
briefly
explain
to
the
committee:
this
is
a
report
for
information.
Well,.
D
Mr
o'brien,
if
you
will
just
one
moment,
council
member
fell
chairs
the
real
estate
committee.
A
K
We
approve
this
unanimously.
D
Very
good
want
to
know
that
I
may
be
able
to
see
miss
cothridge
with
another
explanation,
but
anyway.
H
Well,
if
we're
going
to
circumvent
this
just
tom,
I
got
a
quick
question.
I
mean
my
understanding
is
we're
so
tightly
packed
at
milford
street.
We
need
every
square
foot
of
it
for
our
own
use,
not
that
we
don't
like
our
friends
over
at
folly
beach.
You
want
to
help
them,
but
why
are
we
leasing
out
spaces
to
another
entity
when
we
don't
have
enough
room
for
our
own
people.
F
We've
had
a
recent
sale
of
some
surplus
vehicles
up
there,
councilman
we're
seeking
some
old
equipment
vehicles
and
we've
got
some
space,
matt,
altop
and
ben
delucci.
Our
fleet
manager
up
there
have
identified
some
space
up
there
that
we
feel
we
can
at
least
will
not
affect
our
operation.
D
All
right:
what's
your
pleasure
to
committee
for
approval
properly,
moved
and
seconded,
I
heard
councilman
shead
as
being
a
second
any
more
discussion
on
this
hearing
that
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you
item
g2
discussion
regarding
delayed
trash
pickup
issues
and
how
to
resolve
it.
It's
put
on
by
council,
lady
parker.
Is
she
online.
D
All
right
great,
can
we
recognize
council,
lady
parker,
so
she
could
yeah.
So
you
just
came
over
like?
Can
you
explain
us
the
issue.
I
No
just
we're
just
having
a
lot
of
delays
on
this
end
of
you
know
this
side
of
his
island,
and
I
know
that
what
I
talked
about
a
while
ago
there
were
discussions
going
around.
I
guess
they're
in
the
in
the
past,
talking
about
an
ordinance
or
something
in
limit
for
size,
and
I
just
wanted
to
just
touch
base
and
figure
out
if
we
were
moving
forward
on
any
of
that
or
what
we
were
waiting
on,
also
just
to
see
how
we
can
improve
the
communication.
I
Maybe
just
so
some
of
the
neighborhood
citizens
know
if
there's
going
to
be
a
delay-
and
hopefully
you
all
can
just
kind
of
help
me
and
teach
me
how
to
better
communicate
that
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
delay.
D
Okay,
okay,
great
did
everybody
here,
mr
bryan,
could
you
hear
yes.
F
Sir,
and
and
councilmember
wearing
matt
altop
has
got
some
great
information
to
share
with
the
committee
regarding
these
delays
and
our
solutions
for
that.
So
if
I
could
call
on
matt
to
share
those
with
you
guys,
yeah
that'd
be
great.
J
Thanks
for
having
me
so
we
are
experiencing,
some
delays
in
trash
garbage
is
running
on
time.
We
haven't
had
any
issues
with
the
garbage.
It's
just
yard
debris
in
bulk,
we're
running
about
a
65
percent,
more
tonnage
than
we
normally
would,
for
example,
for
march
trident's
area
was
200
tons
above
their
normal
average
already
from
march,
and
I
haven't
got
all
of
our
tonnage
information
yet
from
the
county,
but
I
expect
us
to
be
somewhere
around
700
tons
for
april
above
our
normal
volume
that
we
normally
pick
up.
J
So
it's
extremely
heavy.
Our
crews
are
working
fridays
and
saturdays
to
try
to
get
everything
picked
up
this
weekend
we
got
all
hands
on
deck,
including
garbage
to
assist,
trying
to
get
everything
cleaned
up
and
ready
for
next
monday.
To
start
over,
I
was
working.
I
worked
with
the
pio
office
in
jack
today.
They
issued
a
statement
here
about
an
hour
or
maybe
about
half
hour
ago
on
social
media
and
then
bns.
J
J
We
had
a
couple
of
wind
storms,
which
I
contribute
some
of
it
to
you
know
like,
for
example,
january
for
for
trident
waste.
That's
you
know
john's
island
and
outer
west
ashley.
They
were
at
378
tons
for
the
month
and
that
included
christmas
trees
and
last
month
they
were
at
578,
so
they
had
a
200
ton.
You
know
increase
there
just
in
one
month,
right.
D
J
J
You
know
that
staffing
part
of
the
issue
too,
is
we
had
you
know,
mechanical
issues
on
a
couple
claws
and
parts
are
hard
to
get
right
now
with
just
like
everything
else,
so
they
were
down
a
little
bit
longer
and
you
know
the
windstorms
and
that
didn't
do
us
any
favor.
So.
D
J
Quickest
way
is
through
jack's
office
pio
office
and
getting
them
involved
so
that
they
know
they
can
put
it
out
on
social
media,
but
really
that's
other
than
the
neighborhood
services
reaching
out
to
the
to
neighborhood
associations
and
jack's
stuff
is
really
about
the
fastest.
We
can
get
it
out.
Okay,.
I
No,
just
you
know,
obviously
we
just
want
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
to
support
you
and
your
department.
Mr
alltop,
and
I
know
I
can't
imagine
you
know
what
this
is
doing
to
the
budget.
Just
you
know
gas
prices
this,
and
that
I
mean
obviously
you
know
I
spent
some
time
and
watching
you
know
when
these
trucks
are
full,
they
have
to
drive
them
up
and
come
back
and
finish
whatever
they
didn't
finish.
A
I
F
I'd
like
to
add,
mr
chairman,
also
that
you
may
recall
late
last
summer,
early
fall.
F
We
brought
you
guys
some
proposed
changes
to
quantities
and
things
we're
gonna
pick
up
and
we're
working
with
neighborhood
services
right
now
to
finalize
our
public
education,
which
we
all
agree,
was
an
important
part
of
this,
and
that
will
all
have
some
limits
to
some
of
the
volume
of
things
we
pick
up
so
that'll
help
us
also,
and
we
we
hope
to
bring
that
back
to
you
in
the
next
month
when
we
get
that
started
and
then
start
the
education
process.
So
we
can
start
enforcing
those
new
limits.
Okay,.
C
Comment
and
a
and
a
question,
maybe,
mr
chairman,
so
we've
been
working
with
matt
and
tom
about
ideas
to
make
our
department
and
environmental
services
even
more
efficient,
and
I'm
I'm
pleased
to
hear
that
the
garbage
collection
is
on
time.
C
That's
the
stuff
that
can
smell
after
a
little
bit.
So
if,
if
you
don't
get
my
yard
clippings
right
away,
that's
the
lesser
of
those
two
evils.
If
you're
late
on
james
island,
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
all
that,
and
maybe
councilmember
parker
could
help
us
with
our
communication
and
partnership
with
the
public
service
district.
C
We
had
proposed
to
them
a
year
or
more
ago
about
trying
to
become
more
efficient,
particularly
on
james
island,
where,
where
we
share
citizens,
customers
on
on
the
same
street,
the
city
and
the
public
service
district
and
came
up
with
a
proposal
that
we'd
pick
up
some
of
their
customers
on
the
street,
that
we
primarily
work
and
let
them
do
the
same
for
us
and
we
wouldn't
pick
up.
C
You
know
we'd
pick
up
about
the
same
number
of
their
customers
as
ours,
but
save
time
and
efficiency
by
just
having
one
truck
go
down
that
street
that
day,
so
apparently
they've
never
approved
that
concept,
but
I
think
it's
really
worth
trying
if,
if,
if
you
could
chat
with
with
your
colleagues
over
there
on
on
james
island,
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
mention
this
will
require
some.
C
Some
extra
budgetary
of
investment
on
equipment
is,
is,
I
believe,
we're
more
efficient
in
some
neighborhoods
using
what
they
call
the
knuckle
boom
truck
where
one
operator
drives
the
vehicle
in
and
operates
the
the
device
that
picks
up
the
debris
rather
than
have
a
separate
truck
and
a
separate
claw,
so
it
it
should
help
us
in
our
challenges
with
employees
to
be
able
to
operate.
That
way.
That
will
require
us
to
buy
a
few
more
knuckle
boom
trucks.
C
So
I
I
think
that
could
be
a
a
budgetary
item
next
next
year
and
the
other
thing
we're
looking
at
what
cities
are
doing
around
the
country
best
practices,
because
you
know
I
don't
put
out
yard
waste
every
week.
You
know.
Perhaps
we
engage
a
communication
between
our
citizens
and
the
city
almost
like
an
on-demand
service,
or
at
least
a
citizen.
Let
us
know
when
they
have
a
debris
to
be
picked
up
so
that
we're
not
you
know,
working
streets
that
don't
have
debris
to
be
picked
up
and
again
increase
our
efficiency.
B
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
now
just
a
couple
thoughts
and
I
just
want
to
thank
matt
because
he
has
been.
He
is,
and
has
always
been,
very
responsive
when
these
issues
pop
up
and
I've
had
certain
areas
within
my
district
in
which
they,
the
driver,
has
just
missed
a
portion
of
a
of
a
neighborhood
and
they've
gone
back
the
very
next
day
and
to
to
pick
that
up.
But
I
think
the.
E
B
Comments
about
these
public
service
districts-
and
this
is
why
we've
been
talking
about
those
annexations-
are
to
go
out
there
to
try
to
close
some
of
these
donut
holes,
because
this
is
a
prime
example
of
inefficient
government.
When
we
have
two
government
agencies
do
the
same
job,
they
write
down
the
same
neighborhoods
in
some
of
these
situations.
B
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
the
situation
with
councilman
parker's
area,
but
that
just
would
solve
a
lot
of
issues
with
just
one
truck
going
down
into
these
neighborhoods
and
picking
up
that
that
trash
I
mean,
and
mr
brown
we
have
been
talking
about,
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
back
up
about
the
communication
aspect
of
it
because
councilmember
parker's
comment
on
this
is
right
on
point,
which
is
letting
our
citizens
know
when
there
are
issues
that
we
can
address
and
let
them
know
in
advance
if
there's
going
to
be
a
problem,
always
makes
things
a
little
bit
easier
for
all
of
us,
and
I
know
you
all
do
a
great
job,
but
communication
is
you
know
we
of
all
the
calls
we
get.
B
I
think
we
none
of
us
are
immune
to
citizens
calling
us
about
the
trash
pickup.
That
just
happens
on,
unfortunately,
a
basis,
that's
more
too
frequent
than
not
so
anything
we
can
do
to
help
your
department
with
communications,
communications
communications.
It
goes
a
long
long
way
for
all
of
us
and
engaged
in
this
process.
So
thank.
K
F
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Councilmember.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
first
I
want
to
just
say
that,
and
I
and
I
hope
I'm
not
putting
matt
on
the
spot
here.
I
I
I
probably
speak
with
matt
more
than
I
speak
with
any
of
our
city
staff
anytime,
there's
an
issue
with
pickup
delays
or
skipping
a
house,
or
this
that
and
the
other
I've
always
found
matt
to
be
unbelievably
responsive.
K
To
me,
I've
got
his
cell
number,
we
text
back
and
forth,
and
and
when
we're
in
communication-
and
I
get
a
heads
up
from
him,
I
can
get
it
out
on
my
social
media
and
blast
it
out
to
the
neighborhoods
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say:
matt
is
very
good
at
that
council
member
parker.
If
you
don't
have
his
cell,
I
will
share
it
with
you.
I'm
not
gonna
share
it
on
youtube.
K
Matt,
don't
worry,
but
that's
a
great
way
that
we
can
get
this
stuff
worked
out
sort
of
in
real
time.
I
think
that
when
we're
talking
about
you
know
more
long-term
issues
and
delays
and
services,
and
things
like
that,
that's
when
you
can
get
jack's
department
and
meg
and
all
these
people
rocking
and
rolling,
but
I'm
telling
you
they
will
not
be
able
to
help
you
within
a
24-hour
turnaround.
K
Right
like
when
there's
you
know,
issues
on
the
ground,
you
know
matt
and
his
department,
they
run
a
bunch
of
crews
and
trucks
and
they
they're
a
lot
of
hardworking
folks.
You
know
it's.
A
lot
of
this
stuff
is
done
in
real
time,
and
I
just
wanted
to
let
councilman
parker
know
that,
and
certainly
any
of
my
other
colleagues
who
don't
know
that,
I'm
sure
everybody
does,
but
that's
that's
something
that's
out
there
and
matt
does
an
excellent
job
and
so
does
his
entire
crew.
K
The
other
thing
I
would
just
say
is
that
you
know
piggybacking
on
what
mr
o'brien
was
talking
about
about
sort
of
reforming
the
trash
pickup
process
in
the
city
of
charleston.
I
think
there's
a
lot
to
do
in
that
regard,
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
some
of
these
proposals.
I
mean
the
fact
that
you
can
just
put
whatever
you
want
out
on
your
curve
anywhere
in
the
city
of
charleston,
and
we
come
pick
it
up
for
free.
K
I
can
tell
you
right
now.
That
is
a
very
unique
thing
that
the
city
of
charleston
offers
and
it's
simple
economics
when
you
offer
a
service
for
free
people,
have
no
incentive
to
be
judicious
about
what
they're
doing
and
I'm
not
saying
we
need
to
you
know
you
know
you
know
charge
anything,
that's
unfair
and
reasonable.
I
think
we
we're
required
by
law
to
to
make
sure
things
are
fair
and
reasonable,
but
by
placing
some
very
minimal,
you
know
costs
on
this
service.
K
I
think
that
we
can
not
only
help
reduce
some
of
the
excess
demand.
That's
causing
our
infrastructure
to
kind
of
buckle
a
little
bit,
not
mention
all
the
other
constraints
that
you
know
the
department's
facing,
but
we
can
also
use
some
of
that
funding
to
reinvest
in
the
department
and
and
create
a
more
virtuous
cycle.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
here.
I
think
there's
certainly
a
lot
of
people
in
the
city
that
are
very
reasonable,
with
what
they
put
out
on
the
curb.
K
I
just
think
that,
on
some
level
you
know,
there's
got
to
be
some
some
costs
and
skin
in
the
game
that's
put
into
the
equation
here.
It
takes
a
lot
to
do
this.
It's
not
garbage
pickup,
which
is
a
much
more
efficient
process,
so
just
some
thoughts
there,
but
good
topic
to
keep
working
on.
D
Well,
I
think
that
was
a
good
point.
Council
woman
were
getting
those
cell
phone
numbers
for
mr
mcbride
runs
a
very
professional
team
over
there.
He
and
the
al
top
vital.
A
D
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I'm
coming
up
with
a
story,
not
a
story.
Facts
friday
of
last
last
friday,
at
4
10.
I
had
a
situation
where
garbage
was
not
picked
up
and
I'm
moving
on
to
the
next
discussion.
F
and
I
streets
were
not
picked
up
and
I
reached
out
to
mr.
D
Fountain
I
reached
out
to
mr
o'brien,
who
was
in
syracuse,
got
a
response
from
him
who
reached
out
to
mr
altar
and
remember
this
is
bridge
run
weekend
and
got
a
response
back
and
turns
out
that
the
street
is
too
small
for
our
big
trash
trucks
to
get
down.
So
I
guess
we
got
to
get
a
smaller
truck
or
something
I
think
there's
some
discussion
about
another
way
in,
but
I
think
the
end
of
the
story
is
having
those
cell
phone
numbers.
D
So,
but
back
to
f
and
I
stream
the
piece
with
our
new
trucks
can't
get
down
to
serve
the
citizens.
I
also
understand
that
our
fire
truck
can't
get
down
the
eye
then,
but
I
think
there's
been
some
discussion
and
helped
me
out.
Mr
o'brien,
mr
all
talk
where
there's
an
alternative
way,
possibly
to
get
in
to
this
street.
Another
accident.
F
Matt
and
I
participated
in
a
neighborhood
meeting
about
a
month
ago
over
there
with
f
and
I
street,
there's
a
proposed
housing
development
which
could
affect
the
rerouting
of
some
roads
over
there.
But
the
bottom
line,
like
you
said,
f
and
I,
but
this
is
something
both
fire
and
public
service-
have
a
concern
about
because
of
the
narrows
and
streets
and
jason
cruz
and
deputy
chief
cruzin
actually
has
a
drone
video
which
I'm
matt,
I
don't
think,
is
available
yet.
F
But
we
would
show
the
the
problems
that
we
have
and
they
have
getting
our
vehicles
down
the
street.
Now
one
thing
matt-
and
I
talked
about
this
morning-
which
I
haven't-
talked
to
robbie
somerville
or
something
back,
but
one
thing
that
we
thought
about.
If
we
limited
parking
on
one
side
of
the
street
on
collection
days,
that
would
go
a
long
way
to
helping
us.
So
that's
something
I'm
going
to
explore
with
robbie
somerville
to
see
if
we
could
potentially
do
that
and
just
on
on
the
collection
days
for
garbage
and
trash.
J
Yeah
I
spoke
with
deputy
chief
cruzon
about
half
hour
ago
and
he
should
have
that
drone
footage
available
for
you
guys,
hopefully
by
the
end
of
the
week
or
first
part
of
next
week.
It
shows
the
challenges
of
them,
trying
to
maneuver
down
that
that
road,
along
with
us,
we
went
over
there
and
participate
in
it
since
those
roads
dead
end.
We
have
to
back
down
that
street
with
a
garbage
truck
which
increases
the
danger
by
hands
hand
load.
I
mean
it's
just
it's
crazy.
J
How
much
potential
for
issues
we
have
backing
the
garbage
truck
down
those
tight
streets,
we've
been
using
a
pickup
truck,
but
even
a
pickup
truck
over
there
gets
in
there
gets
in
there
and
has
a
hard
time
turning
around
and
getting
back
out.
So
there
are
challenges.
We're
working
to
address
like
tom
said,
and
hopefully
we'll
we'll
come
up
with
some
some
alternative
ways
to
to
collect
that
area
is.
J
As
tight
as
these
three
streets-
and
they,
since
these
dead
end,
it's
hard
for
us
to
get
in
fire's
problem-
is
they
can
get
in,
but
then
they
block
if
they
can't
get
to
where
they're
going
they
block
in
case
of
a
ladder
truck
or
a
pumper
or
whoever
they
can't
get
there
having
it
open
on
both
sides
with
this
proposed
housing.
Development
would
allow
two
ways
in
for
them
and
would
allow
us
just
to
pull
down
the
street,
which
will
help
us
quite
a
bit.
D
Well
anyway,
thanks
for
having
that
information
on
short
notice,
gentlemen,
stonewater
management
update
update
on
calhoun
west,
mr
fountain.
E
We've
started
this
one
a
couple
of
times,
but
hopefully
we'll
we'll
run
through
the
rest
of
the
presentation
this
time,
but
I'll
start
from
the
beginning.
Just
for
everyone's
perspective.
E
This
is
the
kind
of
an
update
on
where
we
stand
on
the
preliminary
engineering
work
within
the
calvin
west
basin.
The
map
in
front
of
you
shows
what
is
meant
when
we
say
the
calhoun
west
basin
and
the
dark
black
outline.
It's
broken
into
a
few
sub-basins
in
the
blue,
outlines
just
for
perspective.
E
E
We
did
basically
take
that
modeling
work,
as
well
as
the
primary
engineering
work
and
developed
some
conceptual
short
term
project
approaches.
So
these
are
the
six.
What
we're
termed
termed
the
short-term
projects
that
we
looked
at
starting
the
top
left.
This
is
basically
lining
a
culvert
and
adding
a
pump
station
into
the
area
of
the
va
hospital
to
try
to
reduce
some
of
the
flooding
that
occurs
in
their
parking
lot.
E
Primarily,
upper
right
is
basically
trying
to
provide
some
kind
of
pump
station
again
and
surcharging
or
additional
flow
capacity
in
the
calhoun
street
corridor.
There's
a
box
culvert
along
calhoun
street
there,
but
it's
significantly
undersized
for
how
much
water
is
trying
to
come
down
calhoun
again,
especially
at
a
high
tide
where
that,
basically
impounds
that
water,
the
bottom
or
I'm
sorry,
the
middle
left
is
looking
at
improvements
in
the
alberta,
long
lake
area,
including
a
potential
lift
station
albert
along
lake.
E
Basically,
turning,
though,
or
using
the
lake,
as
I
turn
the
light
but
using
the
lake
to
be
able
to
store
some
of
the
storm
water
that
comes
in
from
calhoun
and
then
the
the
neighborhoods
to
the
east
and
be
able
to
again
lift
that
water
out
of
alberta
long
lake,
so
that
you
get
better
gravity
flow
into
the
lake
during
storm
events.
E
The
the
middle
right
is
an
improvement
along
the
broad
and
lockwood
corridor,
looking
at
installing
a
some
kind
of
knee
wall
or
or
again
surge
barrier
to
prevent
some
of
that
tidal
over
topping
that
we
see
and
potentially
add
in
some
pumping
that
into
the
base
of
the
outfall
for
colonial-like,
which
is,
if
you're
not
familiar
with
it.
The
primary
colonial
lake
outfall
actually
comes
along
where
that
blue
line
is
shown
in
the
middle
out
at
the
area
where
rod
transitions
into
lockwood.
E
Some
and
we'll
talk
about
where
we
are
in
some
of
these
projects
in
a
minute.
The
bottom,
I'm
sorry,
the
bottom
right
section,
then,
is
the
clarity
of
where
that
knee
wall
would
be
necessary,
potentially
in
addition
to
the
pumping
that
was
shown
above
it
for
the
rod
and
lockwood
corridor.
E
So
this
this
model
is
also
used
to
develop
kind
of
a
long-term
project
approach.
The
approach
that
the
design
team
felt
was
the
most
practical.
If
you
were
looking
at
a
bringing
the
entire
basin
into
a
true
level
of
service,
where
you
don't
see,
ponded
water
on
streets
during
rainstorms
was
again
a
similar
to
what
we
saw
with
spring
fishburn
with
a
deep
tunnel
approach.
E
E
The
the
hatching
is
the
earhart,
basically,
the
earhart
medical
district
tunnel
extension
that
we're
currently
designing
would
service,
which
was
also
identified
within
this
calhoun
west
work,
and
then
the.
B
D
Mr
phelps
look
go
back
to
those
chats.
How
deep
would
those
shafts
have
to
be.
D
E
E
E
Envision
so
the
the
approach
that
they
looked
at
in
this,
this
work
that
we
followed
up
with
a
conceptual
project
analysis
was
somewhere
around
the
order
of
like
18
to
24
inches.
That's
a
protection
against
extreme
tides,
not
obviously
not
okay,.
E
And
then,
at
this
point
we
you
know
we
had
that
at
that
point
I
should
say
started
implementing
some
of
these
projects
where
we
saw
opportunities
where
we
saw
leverage
opportunities
so
the
first
one
obviously
is
the
medical
district
tunnel
extension
earhart.
We
just
talked
about
that's
now,
funded
into
construction,
which
will
help
with
that
extreme
northern
area
of
the
medical
district.
Within
that
kelvin
west
watershed,
we
started
with
the
outfall
improvements.
The
low
battery,
basically
as
it's
being
built,
improves
and
adds
outfalls
along
murray
boulevard
phase.
E
One
and
two
are
now
complete,
obviously,
phase
three
we're
starting
construction.
We've
we've
been
working
to
retrofit
the
brick
arches
we've
just
about.
When
I
originally
put
this
together,
we
had
just
about
finished
the
pilot
project.
At
this
point
we
have
finished
the
pilot
project
and
brought
the
limehouse
arch
all
the
way
up
to
buvayne
street
with
cleaning
and
restoration,
so
we're
looking
to
basically
continue
that
project.
Now
that
we
have
a
better
handle
on
it.
Just
we
need
to
find
the
additional
funding
to
continue
that
project.
E
Obviously,
the
city's
worked
with
cws
to
acquire
the
property
at
limehouse
for
potential
pump
station
location,
as
we
showed
we've
been
able
to
supercharge
or
basically
supercharge
this
brick
arches
with
pumps,
small
pump
stations
or
lift
stations,
so
they
work
better
at
high
tide
events,
the
broad
lock
with
knee
wall.
We
have
finished
a
concept
design
with
jmt.
Actually
for
that
and
it's
one
of
the
options
in
the
drainage
fund
for
funding
and
basically
to
permit
and
construct
the
musc
pump
station.
We
have
an
upfit
evaluation
for
that.
E
The
va
basin
pump
station
we've
actually
been
coordinating
with
the
va
they're.
Looking
at
significant
rework
that
many
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
on
their
property,
which,
under
the
new
stormwater
manual,
triggers
them
into
a
series
of
improvements
they
need
to
provide.
So
they've
been
looking
at
doing
a
potential
lift
station
in
the
city
kind
of
coordinating
and
looking
at
opportunities
to
help
them
or
take
over
maintenance
of
that
station
for
them,
if
it's
constructed
as
they're
still
in
the
design,
early
design
phases
of
that
project.
E
Into
some
of
the
redevelopment
ideas
for
295
calhoun
that
one
sort
of
got
installed
out
in
the
bar
process,
but
we'll
be
continuing
to
look
at
other
opportunities
in
that
corridor
as
well,
because
that
calhoun
calhoun
street
corridor,
certainly
one
of
the
most
impactful
flooding
areas.
We
have
from
a
transportation
medical
district
access
standpoint.
E
E
The
broad
lock
with
knee
wall
we've
completed
that
concept,
design
just
need
to
identify
funding
and
take
it
to
final
design
and
permitting
the
musc
pump
station
upfit
we'll
be
looking
to
coordinate
with
the
army
corps
and
determine
if
their
funding
will
be
applicable
into
that
project
and
then
either
us
or
in
collaboration
with
the
core.
E
Looking
for
an
rfq
for
a
design
team
on
that
work,
the
va
basin
pump
station
again
we're
continuing
our
coordination
of
va
as
they
work
through
their
design
plans
to
see
what
level
of
city
involvement
will
want
to
provide,
depending
on
what
they're
offering
and
then
calhoun
over
along
lake
again,
if
295
calhoun
ends
up
stalling
out,
we'll
assess
other
opportunities
for
the
city
within
that
location.
D
All
right,
mr
seeking
any
questions.
H
No
matt,
thank
you
for
being
patient
and
getting
all
this
information
out
there.
I
just
think,
mr
chairman,
this
was
time
fairly
well
spent,
because
I
think
one
of
the
thoughts
about
calhoun
west,
it's
a
singular
project,
there's
so
many
different
components
to
it,
both
short
and
long
term
and
even
without
the
deep
tunneling
project.
There
are
some
things
that
we
can
do
in
that
area.
H
That
will
give
us
relief
in
fairly
short
order
for
a
relatively,
although
it
will
be
significant
amount,
a
relatively
small
amount
of
money
comparatively
to
building
a
system
that
tunnels
120
feet
below
the
city.
So
two
that
sort
of
strike
me
as
being
something
that
I
would
love
to
see
us
pursue
as
a
city-
and
you
know,
matt
sort
of
take
your
lead
on
this.
But
one
is
the
meoc
pump
station.
I
think
that
would
be
a
huge
benefit
to
everybody.
H
It
will
allow
for
access
to
musc
along
that
calhoun
street
corridor,
which
is,
as
you
know,
pretty
rough
and
the
other
is
the
knee
wall
along
lock,
lockwood
and
broad.
We
just
need
a
high
tide.
These
days
and
broad
lockwood
corner
is
underwater
and
closed,
and
it's
going
to
happen
more
and
more
often
that
knee
wall,
my
understanding,
is
matt
sort
of
just
roughed
out
is
a
two
to
three
million
dollar
project
plus
or
minus.
H
D
Any
cost
projections
on
the
musc
pump
station
matt
at
councilmember
referred
to.
E
So,
mr
chairman,
we
do
have
so.
We've
got
sort
of
two
areas
out
there,
which
we
refer
to,
probably
by
too
many
different
names
staff
wise
to
make
it
easily
easy
to
comprehend.
E
We
have
the
the
existent
musc
pump
station,
which
mostly
services,
like
the
courtney
courtney
corridor,
that
one
we're
looking
to
repair
an
upfit
over
the
next
few
years
before
it
starts
to
have
issues
and
see
if
we
have
an
opportunity
to
improve
its
performance,
especially
in
collaboration
with
the
work,
the
va
is
doing
on
their
property,
which
is
where
that
pump
station
discharges
through
right
and
then
separate
from
that
is
the
calhoun
street
kind
of
corridor
and
pump
opportunity
that
one
we
need.
E
If
we
want
to
progress
that
side
of
it,
we
need
to
look
at
still
getting
into
a
concept
plan
beyond
that.
What
was
the
kind
of
the
really
rough
work
that
was
done
within
the
kelvin
west
preliminary
engineering
identifying
that
as
a
corridor?
That
basically
is
overcapacity
and
having
problems,
so
that
one
would
need
to
go
in
through
that.
Basically,
through
that
concept,
when.
E
E
The
calhoun
street
it
depends
if
we
tie
it,
there's
two
options:
you
could
either
do
a
single
station,
a
long
calhoun
and
try
to
put
it
in
the
freeway
on-ramp.
That
was
one
of
the
original
thoughts.
That's
a
slightly
less
expensive
approach,
but
it
primarily
services
calhoun.
The
other
idea
we've
looked
at
when
kind
of
295
had
come
along,
which
is
has
some
possible
support
to
it.
E
I
think
from
engineering
perspectives
to
take
the
calhoun
street
water
and
basically
direct
it
down
into
alberta
along
lake
and
instead
pump
out
of
alberta
long
lake
as
a
as
a
secondary,
outball
point
that
would
provide
that
would
potentially
provide
neighborhood
drainage
relief
to
the
neighborhoods
to
the
east
of
the
lake,
as
well
as
the
calhoun
street
corridor
itself.
Obviously,
that's
more
complicated
because
now
you're
working
within
a
lake
which
adds
quite
a
bit
of
complexity
from
a
permanent
environmental,
permanent
standpoint
either
one
of
those
a
lot
has
changed
in
the
last
year.
E
I
would
expect
that
a
good,
a
good
conceptual
look
at
that
would
be
into
at
least
a
few
hundred
thousand
dollars,
not
for
preliminary
engineering
just
for
kind
of
a
true
concept
and
modeling
project,
but
they'll
be
they'll,
be
items
we'll
definitely
have
in
the
drainage
fund.
Discussion
for
consideration.
D
That
you
know,
I
think
we
all
found
beneficial
when
the
mayor
had
some
when
he
had
a
chance
to
speak
to
the
governor
about
you
know
extending
musc
into
spring
fishburn.
D
We
had
more
information
on
what
to
know
what
to
ask
for,
and
I
kind
of
think
we
need
to.
A
D
That
situation
with
this,
but
you
know
we
look
at
calhoun
west
and
his
totality.
I
don't
know
it
was
a
half
a
billion
dollars
or
something
like
that,
maybe
more
to
get
it
done,
but
some
of
these
fixes
you
know,
I
think,
if,
if
one
of
the
things
harry
holm
and
bless
him
did
over
that
mom
pleasant.
D
When
half
cent
sales
tax
came
through,
he
kind
of
had
visions
of
what
he'd
like
to
see
with
those
road
dollars
coming
through.
So
when
the
time
came
well,
he
had
the
plan
to
say
hey.
This
is
what
we
need,
and
this
is
how
much
money
we
need.
So
I'm
just
kind
of
thinking
something
similar
smaller
degree.
Of
course
something
similar.
We
got
the
knee
wall
money
and
this
pump
station
sounds
like
it
could
be
a
good
bang
for
the
buck.
D
If
we
can
get
some
more
information
on
that,
but
mr
mayor
and
mr
fountain,
from
the
standpoint
of
I
guess,
a
little
bit
more
specifics
on
what
it'll
take,
I
think
it'll
be
money
well
spent
councilman.
H
Seeking
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
very
briefly.
I
I
agree
with
that.
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
take
our
our
ask
to
the
market
until
we
know
exactly
what
we're
asking
for.
I
agree
with
that,
and-
and
I'm
not
sure
mr
fountain
mentioned
this,
but
between
the
the
knee
wall
project,
which
jmt's
been
working
on
and
calvin
west,
which
has
had
both
short
and
long
term,
visioning
preliminarily
done
by
davidson
floyd
and
black
and
beach.
We've
actually
done
a
lot
of
work
out
there
we're
not
going
to
be
starting
from
scratch.
H
We
spent
matt.
I
think
I
went
last
time.
I
went
back
and
looked
close
to
two
million
dollars
with
davis
and
floyd
looking
at
short
and
long-term
solutions.
They
produce
technical
memoranda
they're
all
out
there.
So
what?
If
we
allocate
some
monies
it'll,
be
the
complete
work.
That's
really
already
well,
along
the
way,
with
some
collective
knowledge
already
in
the
hands
of
the
people,
who'll
be
completing
it
so
and
in-house.
H
Obviously,
we
have
a
lot
of
knowledge
too,
so
I
think
clearly
that
corridor
the
calhoun
west
corridor
and
the
medical
district
corridor
we're
going
to
have
to
pay
attention
to
regardless
of
what
the
bigger
picture
items
look
like
and-
and
I
think
you
know
putting
some
resources
towards
it-
so
we
can
take
this
to
market
is
a
good
idea.
How
we
go
about
doing
that.
That's
for
probably
someone
a
pay
grade
higher
than
me,
but
I
think
it's
something
we
should
at
least
think
about
all
right.
C
I'd
like
to
share
a
couple
thoughts
and
thank
you
matt
for
the
update
and
for
all
the
work
you're
doing
as
usual.
Our
store
department
has
many
balls
on
the
air,
and
you
know
many
of
these
things
obviously
get
down
to
funding
the
musc
pump
upgrade
as
as
matt
mentioned,
we
we
recently
learned
of
a
four
million
dollar
allocation
to
the
core,
but
it's
it's
relevant
to
the
spring
fishburn
carter.
C
We
believe
you
know
that
pump
station
should
should
qualify,
but
we
we
do
have
to
meet
with
them
and
and
verify
that,
so
that
would
take
care
of
that
little
piece
of
the
puzzle
or
most
of
it,
then
the
va
we've
been
working
with
the
va
and
they're
going
to
make
major
upgrades
to
their
hospital
a
major
addition
to
it.
C
So
we've
been
working
with
council,
I
mean
congresswoman
mesa's
office
to
see
that
the
va
gets
the
funding
for
for
that
pump
station
to
help
with
their
property
and
parking
lot
when
they
get
the
funding
for
their
hospital
edition
and
then
on
the
archway
tunnels,
since
I'm
still
making
the
case
to
secretary
hall
at
the
d.o.t
about
70
percent
of
the
archway
tunnels
are
under
d.o.t
streets,
so
she
has
committed
to
helping
us
find
some
funding
to
continue
that
effort
to
clean
and
fortify
the
archway
tunnels.
C
So
you're
you're
really
seeing
some
pretty
good
traction
on
some
of
these
initiatives.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
missing
link
is
number
one,
whether
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
do
the
knee
wall
or
not
whether
that
priority
is
there,
given
the
fact
that
you
know
if
we
do
get
through
the
through
the
three
by
three,
the
first
phase
would
be
along
the
ashley
river
and-
and
you
could
say
in
a
few
years
from
now-
oh
gee-
we
we
could
have
just
waited
and
and
save
that
three
million
dollars.
C
How
much
time
is
that
going
to
buy
us?
Of
course
we
get
to
the
point
where
we
see
we're
not
going
to
do
the
three
but
three
we
could
proceed
so
that's
kind
of
a
priority
judgment
the
council
needs
to
make.
We
saw
a
marginal
increase
when
just
some
paving
got
done
on
the
corner.
I
mean
it
didn't
quote,
solve
the
problem
at
all,
but
it
it
did
help
for
about
a
half
foot.
C
I
guess
about
six
inches
difference
on
the
tide
coming
over
the
street,
so
I
think
we
need
to
make
a
a
priority
decision
with
funding
as
to
whether
we
want
to
proceed
with
three
million
dollars
on
that
concept
plan
and
just
know
that
if
we
do
end
up
doing
the
three
by
three
protection
with
the
core
five
or
ten
years
from
now,
whenever
that
happens,
you
know
it'll
just
basically
make
that
improvement
obsolete.
So
that's
one
thing.
C
The
second
thing
is
to
proceed
and
find
some
funding
to
do
this
concept
plan
and-
and
I
would
say
even
a
preliminary
design
of
of
the
calhoun
street
little
pump
station
and
the
long
lake
control
and
pump
station
and
get
the
water
to
long
lake
and
out
calhoun
street
faster
and
better.
I
think
that
would
really
help
the
areas
around
cannon
park
and
is
it
ogeer
street
that's
near
near
the
funeral
home,
that's
where
it
really
really
floods
badly
and
that
water
needs
to
get
out.
C
So
I
I
just
want
to
raise
this
possibility
that,
with
all
the
development
that's
occurred
and
matt
mentioned
the
295
calhoun
street.
The
reason
that
gets
mentioned
is
because
that
little
piece
of
real
estate
is
included
in
the
horizon
or
west
edge.
Tif
district
and
enough
development
has
been
occurring
in
that
tif
district.
C
I
believe
in
the
next
year
or
two
that
we
would
be
able
to
use
some
tax
increment
financing
money
to
go
to
the
long
lake
and
calhoun
street
pump
station
weather
295
makes
it
through
or
not
and
and
arguably
some
kind
of
development
is
going
to
occur
at
295
calhoun.
That's
going
to
add
to
the
tift
district
there
so
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
share
some
of
those
thoughts
that
were
been
bouncing
around
in
my
mind,
to
help
move
these
projects
forward
and
to
help
pay
for.
D
Good
information,
any
other
input
from
councilman.
Thank
you,
mr
fountain
cooper,
jackson,.
E
This
one
is
also
a
brief
update
for
the
committee.
We
basically
have
gotten
to
a
point
where
we're
looking
to
advance
from
conceptual
engineering
work
into
permanent
design
work.
We
just
wanted
to
basically
bring
the
committee
up
to
speed
and
make
sure
we
had
a
concurrence
to
the
approach
that
was
being
proposed
in
this.
E
E
E
In
this
case
showing
where
you
see
existent
flooding
during
storms.
Again,
not
we
don't
build
the
model
because
to
find
out
where
the
flooding
is.
We
know
we
know
where
the
flooding
is.
We
build
the
model,
truth
it
with
the
flooding
that
we
know
where
it
is
and
then
use
that
model
to
plug
in
different
improvement
options
to
see
which
ones
have
the
best
kind
of
bang
for
your
buck
in
reducing
flooding
within
the
basin.
E
So
we
we
did
take
that
through.
We
basically
showed
these
blue
lines
of
areas
that
need
outfall
improvement.
That
was
the
the
highest
benefit
to
cost
ratio.
I
was
basically
up
sizing
the
existing
pipes.
We
also
looked
at
a
number
of
storage
options.
Unfortunately,
basically,
the
water
table
is
so
shallow
in
this
area
and
there's
so
much
water
in
such
a
large
basin.
E
It's
very
hard
to
store
the
water,
and
so
we
have
to
convey
it
out
that
does
have
a
decreased
benefit
with
extreme
tides
or
during
major
rainstorms,
but
it
will
provide
a
very
significant
level
of
service
increase
during
normal
rainstorms
afternoon
thunderstorms,
anything
that
doesn't
have
an
extreme
tide
again.
High
value
high,
basically
high
benefit
versus
cost.
At
this
point,
we
did
have
a
series
of
two
different
outreach
meetings.
E
We
had
one
at
the
housing
authority
as
part
of
the
the
rad
program
outreach
that
planning
helped
us
coordinate
where
we
had
a
really
good
turnout
from
neighborhood
stakeholders,
as
well
as
the
housing
authority.
Folks,
they
were
very
supportive
of
this
approach.
Most
of
the
questions
resulted
in.
When
would
this
actually
start,
and
when
will
we
be
done?
E
We
then
had
a
follow-up
meeting
in
martin
park,
which
also
had
a
a
smaller
turnout
but
had
good
support
from
the
residents
who
did
attend,
and
then
we
we
spoke
to
a
number
of
people
who
were
just
in
the
park
enjoying
the
area
about
what
they've
had
for
flooding
and
what
their
thoughts
were.
So
I
think
we
we've
seen
pretty
good
support
of
this
approach.
We're
still
looking
just
for
perspective.
E
E
But
again
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
necessary
in
order
to
get
the
water
to
the
outfalls.
There
will
be
a
future
consideration
if
we
get
significant
sea
level
rise
over
the
next.
You
know
20
to
50
years
of
what
we
do
to
further
improve
drainage,
as
that
water
starts
to
not
flow
out
except
at
low
tide
cycles,
but
this
will
provide
quite
a
bit
more
time
and
if
you
ever
do
come
back
with
a
pump
station,
another
approach
certainly
gives
you
the
ability
to
get
the
water
to
that
facility.
E
So
at
this
point
our
intent
was
to
go
back
with
our
design
engineer
and
basically
finalize
the
scope
for
design
and
permitting
of
that
approach.
Bring
that
back,
of
course
for
council
for
potential
award
and
then
basically
start
the
actual
design
and
permanent
of
the
project
work
and
look
for
construction
within
the
next
couple
of
years.
E
Oh,
I
can
I
can
stop
sharing.
Mr
chairman,
I
was
also
just
going
to
say
really
briefly.
I
left
this
off
on
the
on
the
discussion.
We've
we've
talked
about
this
one
quite
a
bit
with
the
state
disaster,
resiliency
office,
who's
overseeing
a
lot
of
the
hud
cdbg
mit
grant
work
similar
to
what
we
did
receive
funding
for
with
erhart.
E
They
think
this
is
a
pretty
strong
project
area
to
supplement
the
tif
funding
that
we
have
available
so
whether
we
end
up
looking
to
fund
it
from
another
round
of
borrowing
on
the
tiff
or
whether
we're
able
to
be
successful
with
the
hud
cdbg
mit
grant
application.
We
have
some
options
potentially
for
funding
on
this
project,
which
is
great
outside
of
the
drainage
fund.
C
C
I'm
just
curious
matt
I
didn't
hear
when,
when
y'all
go
and
and
clean
10
000
feet
of
existing
pipes,
you
get
a
report
back
as
to
how
how
bad
they
were
clogged
or
not,
and
is
there
any
anecdotal
evidence
since
the
cleaning
that
that
we're
draining
any
better
just
from
the
clean
out
occurring
yeah,
we
do
get.
E
E
There's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
debris
that
accumulates
a
lot
of
construction
work.
That's
occurred.
Obviously
in
the
area
anecdotally,
we
we've
heard
people
say
it
is
better.
We
haven't,
we
cleaned
this
about
it.
We
started
a
little
over
a
year
ago
and
finished
cleaning
it.
Maybe
six
months
ago
we
haven't
had
a
really
tremendous
storm
in
that
time
period,
but
we
have
had
a
number
of
pretty
hard
thunderstorms
and
rainstorms
and
the
residents
we've
talked
in
the
areas
say
it
is
better,
but
certainly
the
cleaning's
not
enough
with
those
constrictions.
E
We
saw
that
the
existing
system
probably
can
only
handle
maybe
like
what
we
call
like
a
one
year
or
two
year-
storm
without
upsizing
we're
trying
to
get
more
like
a
10
to
25
year
storm
in
that
neighborhood
and
again,
mostly
looking
at
drainage
during
those
moderate
tide
to
low
tide
cycles,
but
every
little
bit
helps,
but
it
certainly
hasn't
fixed
the
problem.
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
say.
C
E
Would
work
at
any
moderate
to
low
tide
period?
So
if
you,
if
you
had
a
an
incredibly
heavy
rain
storm
with
a
you
know,
an
eight
foot
or
a
nine
foot
tide,
you
would,
you
would
still
see
street
flooding,
but
as
that
tide
cycle
occurs,
the
water
would
drain
out
very
quickly.
E
So
that's
that's
the
I
mean
it's
one
of
these.
These
challenges
we
have
in
a
lot
of
the
lower
line,
areas
that
that's
still
a
huge
improvement
versus
current
condition,
but
there
would
be
the
potential
for
a
short-term
flooding
event,
basically
during
during
an
extreme
tide,
if
we
also
get
an
extreme
rain
which
are
are
typically
our
hurricane
events,
radar
hurricanes
or
our
tropical
storms-
and
you
know
the
department
generally,
we
have
not
been
designing
projects
to
fully
function.
E
During
a
hurricane
I
mean
we've
sort
of
said
that
that's
beyond
the
scope
of
a
normal,
neighborhood
drainage
improvement
project.
We
are
looking
to
get
the
pro.
You
know,
get
the
neighborhood
to
be
able
to
drain
after
a
hurricane
and
be
able
to
get
it
to
function
during
normal
rain
events.
So
it's
not
flooded.
Every
time
we
get
a
major
summer
thunderstorm,
the
only
the
only
projects
we've
really
taken.
All
the
way
to
hurricane
conditions
have
been
the
what
we
call
like
the
critical
transportation
infrastructure
so
like
spring
fish
burn
along
on
us
17.
C
E
So
we
do
try
to
somewhat
future
proof
our
projects
where
we
can
so
there
you
know
the
low
battery
can
be
raised
higher
if
it
needs
to
be
the
brick
arches
can
have
pumps
added
to
them.
You
know
most
of
our
projects
have
that
capacity.
King
and
yuji
will
be
designed
with
the
ability
to
add
additional
pumps
to
it
in
the
future.
If
you
need
additional
support,
so
we
do
try
to
set
our
projects
up
that
way,
so
they're
cheaper
to
expand
in
the
future.
D
E
E
Okay,
all
right,
sorry
sherman,
so
our
projects
that
we
have
identified
to
date
are
listed
here
and
again.
I
will
send
all
this
with
more
detail
to
the
committee
with
write-ups
on
each
project
once
we're
on
the
same
page
of
which,
which
projects
we're
looking
at
funding
the
first
one
is
the
harvest
and
dig
stabilization
again.
This
this
column
here
shows
our
which
ones
are
carryover
projects.
So
this
is
a
project
that
we
started
looking
at
in
2021,
which
will
need
future
funding
for
the
actual
construction,
design,
design
and
construction.
E
This
is
one
we
have
a
consultant
currently
looking
at
basically
stabilizing
a
major
outfall
canal
that
has
some
erosion
issues
from
some
of
the
recent
tropical
storms
a
little
less
recent
now
a
few
years
ago,
where
basically
there's
erosion
in
the
bank,
that's
leading
sort
of
leading
it
towards
a
home
foundation
where
we
need
to
stabilize
that
and
make
sure
the
outfall
canal
continues
to
function.
E
Savannah
highway
sidewalk
range
improvement.
I'm
sorry,
harperson
is
on
on
james
allen
and
councilman
parker's
district,
the
savannah
highway
grange
improvement
project.
This
is
one
where
we
were
looking
at.
Basically
the
section
of
savannah
highway.
I'd
say
to
your
your
left.
If
you're
coming
from
downtown
into
west
ashley,
where
the
road
sort
of
drops
down
it
is,
the
sidewalk
is
very
low.
It's
across
from
the
catholic
church,
we
started
that
last
year.
E
We've
we've
basically
just
about
got
that
up
to
the
point
of
construction
bidding
for
the
first
sort
of
pilot
scale
side
of
it.
We
just
submitted
some
dot
encryption
permits
for
their
review,
we'll
be
looking
at
adding
some
under
drain,
trying
to
relieve
the
basically
the
heavy
flooding
that
sits
on
that
sidewalk,
where
the
the
water
can't
get
to
the
drains
because
of
the
oak
roots
that
lift
up
the
sidewalk
along
that
section.
E
Let's
see
sandhurst
convenient
and
sorry,
that's
in,
I
think
that's
in
councilman
pell's
district,
the
sandhurst
conveyance
improvement,
alcohol
maintenance.
This
one
councilman
shade's
familiar
with
again
last
year
we
started
our
design
work.
E
Looking
at
what
we
could
do
in
the
system,
we
actually
did
go
through
the
contractor
and
clean
all
of
the
existing
pipes
that
are
often
in
kind
of
rear
yard
easements
in
the
system
as
well,
which
did
show
some
improvements,
but
we're
still
looking
to
either
upsize
some
of
those
pipes
or
add
some
kind
of
storage,
as
we
continue
with
the
the
modeling
and
the
conceptual
improvement.
E
So
those
are
again
estimated
numbers
there.
Willow
walk
rear
yard
swale.
We
sort
of
had
this
in
in
phases.
The
first
section
is
about
to
go
to
tree
removal,
which
is
the
start
of
construction
and
then
we're
looking
at
basically
extending
that
into
a
further
upland.
E
This
is
in
in
the
willow
walk
showroom
community,
also
in
councilman
parker's
district,
looking
at
basically
restoring
rear
yard
easements
that
either
have
never
been
maintained
or
possibly
never
constructed,
based
on
how
many
trees
are
in
them
to
provide
some
more
can
more
storage
and
conveyance
in
that
neighborhood,
where
we
have
quite
a
bit
of
flooding,
challenges
a
lot
more
terrorist
ranch
project.
This
one
councilman
griffin
had
talked
about
right
at
the
end
of
his
this
time.
E
This
is
on
james
island
just
to
serve
to
the
side
of
where
bishop
godson,
the
community
center
or
the
retirement
center
is
it's
actually
our
next.
I
think
operation
neighborhood
meeting
mayors
in
ferguson
village,
looking
at
acquiring
drainage,
easements
most
of
the
drainage
in
that
neighborhood
are
just
sort
of
ditches
that
run
through
people's
backyards,
likely
in
old
farm
fields
and
just
haven't.
We
don't
have
easements
on
them.
We
can't
maintain
them.
They
do
have
some
flooding
challenges
in
that
neighborhood,
so
the
first
section
again
looking
at
trying
to
acquire
easement.
E
Many
of
these
are
likely
heirs
properties.
So
it's
a
little
bit
more,
a
little
more
challenging,
which
is
saying
something
than
normal
eastman
acquisition.
But
we
do.
B
E
Good
support
from
the
community
leaders
out
there
and
that's
one
of
the
things
we'll
be
continuing
to
talk
with
them
about
over
the
next
month
or
so
anita
drive
at
magnolia.
This
is
in
in
west
ashley.
Basically,
there's
an
easement
gap
on
water
trying
to
get
from
this
flooded
intersection
up
into
the
ditches
that
are
along
the
bikeway
in
this
location.
We
need
to
acquire
an
easement
along
that
existing
combination
of
outfall,
ditch
and
pipe
system.
So
we
can
connect.
There
is
a
ditch.
There
is
a
pipe.
There
is
an
outfall.
E
We
just
need
to
be
able
to
connect
it
all
together
and
maintain
it
again,
howell
avenue
greenbelt
this
is
the
city
purchased
the
or
coordinated
with
the
green
belt
and
purchasing
the
property
in
james
island.
At
the
end
of
howell
avenue,
we
have
an
agreement
with
the
county
to
basically
turn
this
into
a
small
storm
water
park
to
help
store
some
water
along
howell,
which
is
a
very
flooded
area.
E
The
design
review
committee,
the
county,
has
agreed
to
basically
bulk
haul
material
off
of
the
property
for
us,
and
then
we
would
do
the
fine
grading
and
finish
construction,
so
this
is
sort
of
a
collaborative
project
between
the
the
county
and
city
asbury
place,
pipe
up
sizing,
it's
another
west,
ashley,
undersized
outfall,
pipe
that
we
need
to
upsize,
not
at
the
outfall,
but
just
slightly
upstream
of
the
outfall.
E
The
upstream
system
is,
is
pretty
good.
There's,
definitely
some
constriction
the
downstream
causing
some
pretty
severe
flooding
along
the
road
at
aspert
place
oak
forest
outfall
system
improvements.
Normally,
I
don't
have
favorite
projects,
but
this
is
one
of
the
ones
I
think
has
a
lot
of
value
to
it,
even
though
it's
more
expensive,
this
is
basically
where
oak
forest
basically
has
a
an
alcohol
system
that
comes
down
crosses
highway.
17
goes
through
the
baptist
church
property
and
out
into
a
tidal
canal.
E
E
We
have
a
few
buyout
properties
in
this
area.
We're
working
through.
We
have
demolished
and
now
we're
working
through
retrofitting
those
properties
as
well
wagner.
Terrace
outfall,
permitting
we've
started
to
kind
of
hit
our
stride
without
permitting
cleaning.
We
did
just
get
a
permit
for
the
army
corps.
It's
a
it's
called
a
regional
permit.
Instead
of
a
nationwide
permit
and
then
for
the
for
d
hack,
it's
basically
an
ocrm
general
permit
trying
to
streamline
the
permitting
process
for
for
title
outfall
cleaning.
E
E
So
this
is
a
series
of
outfalls
that
we're
trying
to
do
for
quarter
million
dollars,
rather
than
one
now
fall
or
so,
which
is
where
we
are
in
the
current
permanent
schema
rebellion,
road,
outfall,
clean,
similar
situation.
We
have
at
least
two
outballs
we'd
like
to
clean
and
stabilize
in
that
area
as
well:
hazelwood
tabor
wood.
This
is
a
basically
a
pipe
up
sizing
project,
there's
a
because
I
think
you're
familiar
with
this
one.
There's
a
series
of
different
cross
pipes
under
the
roads.
E
That
would
then
further
benefit
the
dupont
wapu
project
as
that
moves
forward,
and
then,
lastly,
the
dunbar
street
area
flood
storage
projects.
This
is
looking
to
design
and
construct
construct
some
additional
stormwater
storage
along
dunbar
street,
basically,
which
is
a
city
parcel
to
the
north
of
I
think,
customer
you're
familiar
with
this
area
too.
E
This
is
this
is
in
a
combination
of
councilman
palace
district
and
I
think
councilman
brady's
district
and
it
probably
touches
at
least
one
other
west
ashley
council
member
sort
of
behind
the
new
home
two
suites
at
the
end
of
highway
17
just
to
the
north
of
the
wildwood
town
homes
and
then
to
the
north
of
citadel
woods,
the
neighborhood
near
ire
harbor,
all
of
which
experience
differing
levels
of
flooding
city.
E
The
city
owns
some
old,
but
probably
his
old
railroad
right
away
in
the
area
right
away
and
an
opportunity
to
add
some
storage
and
again
in
collaboration
on
this
one
with
the
the
county,
where
we've
been
working
together
in
this
area
on
a
number
of
different
projects.
So
the
good
part
is.
We
have
a
lot
of
good
project
ideas.
E
The
the
challenge,
of
course,
is
very
rough
costs
on
these
again
at
a
conceptual
stage,
we're
probably
looking
even
with
a
breakdown
of
trying
to
split
this
over
two
fiscal
years
of
1.3
million
dollars
in
spending
this
year
and
one
point
just
under
1.2
next
year,
again
assuming
no
new
projects
next
year,
just
trying
to
run
through
these
projects
so
that'll
be
something
we'll
have
to
discuss
in
more
detail
at
a
future.
E
D
Councilman
chief,
what's
the
name
of
that
street,
where
I
think
he
used
to
have
to
have
a
pump
in
the
backyard
of
a
judge?
Memory
came
a
couple
years.
Well
that
was.
F
B
West
pawnee
place,
mr
chairman,
and
it's
it
borders
up
on
bamboo.
I
I
just
sent
you
a
response.
I
thought
it
was
gilmore
was
the
one
you
were
thinking
about.
Well,
I
was
going.
B
Gilmore
girls,
as
we
tagged
them,
but
so,
but
the
project
that
you
had
mentioning
where
judge
gosnell
lives
right
his
backyard
busts
up
to
another
resident
and
they've.
We
got
a
pump
that
frank
used
to
take
out
there
on
a
regular
basis.
B
H
F
D
Okay,
all
right
any
questions
from
any
other
committee
members
I'll,
miss
councilman
bowman,
so.
E
Good
question
and
mr
chairman,
some
to
some
extent
that'll
be
up
to
what
you
feel
comfortable
with
the
agenda
I
was.
I
was
thinking
that
we
would
come
back
to
public
works
utilities,
not
the
next
meeting,
but
the
meeting
after
that
to
discuss
these
in
more
detail
we'll
in
the
meantime,
we'll
hit
we'll
send
out
the
we
do.
E
Those
sort
of
short
one
page
highlights
about
the
projects
you
know
which
district
it's
in
kind
of
a
photo
of
the
area
and
a
short
write-up
of
what
the
project
is
a
little
more
detail,
make
sure
again
we
haven't
missed
anything.
Come
back
to
that
second
meeting
be
able
to
talk
about
a
little
more
detail.
I.
D
Agree
with
that
plus
we
need
to
filter
out
to
remain
the
council
too.
You
know,
obviously,
seven
more
council
members
out
there
that
they
need
to
see
what's
going
on
in
their
districts
as
well
on
this
one.
So
thank
you
for
putting
this
together.
We
have
easy
to
understand
too
any
final
questions
we're
at
the
end
of
our
agenda.
D
B
As
a
chairman-
and
it's
all
it's
kind
of
dry
stuff
that
we
have
to
go
through-
it's
not
been
very
exciting,
but
it's
so
so
important.
You've
pointed
this
out
many
times.
It's
so
important.
What
we
do
in
this
committee-
and
I
appreciate
your
stewardship.
D
D
D
D
D
We
take
that
as
common
ground,
but
that
hadn't
been
happening
come
on
all
right,
chair,
entertain
a
motion
for
adjournment.