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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 3/7/2022
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Miss
cook
got
everybody
here.
Let's
call
them
meeting
the
order
and
I'm
going
to
call
them
councilman
seeking
to
bring
a
few
words.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Let
us
pray
at
a
time
of
conflict.
Let
us
each
in
our
own
way
do
what
we
can
to
bring
those
around
us
together
and
to
lead
by
example.
A
world
torn
apart
is
not
the
world
that
we
envision
a
world
together
is
something
we
strive
for
every
day.
May
we
get
all
the
lord's
help
in
our
endeavors
to
do
just
that
in
your
name,
we
pray,
amen.
B
Thank
you.
Councilman
seeking
well
put
entertain
a
motion
for
approval
for
the
minutes
of
february
22nd.
B
B
We're
down
to
item
f,
temporary
encroachments,
mr
o'brien.
We
have
any
any
outstanding.
D
Cameron,
one
of
them,
one
of
them,
is
a
little
bit
different.
I
just
want
to
call
your
attention.
The
838
morrison
drive,
that's
some
work
by
the
railroad
company,
installing
required
cross
signal
boxes,
flashers,
etc,
and
we
work
with
tnt
to
make
sure
all
those
are
correct
in
the
proper
places.
So
we're
recommending
that,
along
with
the
other
encryptions,
is
information.
B
Okay,
any
questions
any
questions
from
mr
mayor.
D
Mayor
actually
just
sent
down
that
folder
to
have
the
letters
prepared
right
now,
I'll
I'll,
send
you
an
email
with
it
which
one
it's
right
there.
I've
got
the
addresses
and
everything.
So
I
can.
I
can
get
that
I'll.
Send
that
to
you
this
afternoon.
E
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Mr
o'brien
see
you,
mr
fountain.
I
see
nothing
on
the
public
service
update,
so
item
h,
low
batteries,
c
wall.
This
is
a
subject
that
I
know.
Councilman
stephens
has
absolutely
no
interest
in
at
all.
F
So
item
one
is
the
for
low
battery
seawall
the
project
phase
three.
This
is
recommending
approval
of
the
construction
contract
with
gulfstream
construction
in
the
amount
of
21
million
four
hundred
ninety
six
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
six
dollars
to
build
about
eighteen
hundred
feet
of
the
low
battery
seawall.
If
you
remember
right,
this
is
the
combination
of
the
original
phase,
three
and
phase
four
right,
so
we
could
build
it
a
little
bit
more
efficiently.
F
Instead
of
a
two
year
run
time,
so
we're
building
a
little
bit
faster,
a
little
bit
more
cost
effectively,
but
we've
had
a
really
good
run
on
the
first
two
phases
of
the
project,
so
we
feel
like
we're
we're
kind
of
full
steam
ahead
at
this
point
this
this
does
have
our
normal
language
in
there
to
you
know,
approve
the
revised
project
budget,
because
the
budget
is
for
all
three
phases
of
the
the
project
is
a
single
budget
and
then
the
40
000
authorization
for
changing
without
return
to
council,
as
long
as
under
forty
thousand
dollars.
F
As
I
mentioned,
it's
a
fifty
one
million
three
hundred
and
three
thousand
two
hundred
eight
nine
dollar
39
project
budget.
That's
phases,
one
through
three
inclusive
and
it's
funded,
of
course,
through
hospitality,
municipal
accommodations,
charleston,
county
accommodations
and
then
cws
contributions.
This
phase
does
have
just
over
2.7
million
dollars
in
that
21.5
million
from
cws
for
the
water
and
sewer
work
that
they'll
be
performing
they'll,
be
replacing
all
of
their
water
and
sewer
lines
on
that
phase
of
the
project,
which
is
a
huge
benefit
to
the
area
as
well.
B
D
Yes,
you
saw
two
on
the
agenda
sheet.
It
mentions
the
hospitality
revenue
bomb
that
we're
right
now,
I'm
in
the
process
of
getting
right.
B
D
B
B
Thank
you
so
much
councilman
seeking.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
obviously
a
subject
I
could
talk
about
for
a
long
time,
but
I
won't.
I
just
think
it's
important
to
note
that
between
the
time
we've
started
and
today
and
voting
on
this
phase,
three,
which
is
a
combined
combination
of
the
phases
three
and
four
were
to
envision
from
the
get-go,
I
thought
you'd
be
interested.
No,
the
first
phase
was
85
850
feet
and
to
the
city.
It
cost
us
about
11
800,
a
foot
phase
two
which
went
to
1100
feet
after
a
contribution
from
the
charleston
water
system.
C
The
cost
to
us
net
of
the
contribution
from
charleston
water
systems
is
just
about
ten
thousand
four
hundred
dollars.
So
I
say
that
just
because,
if
you
think
about
it,
I
was
talking
to
matt
about
this
a
little
bit
earlier
over
the
course
of
that
time.
The
world
has
gone
through
many
things:
it's
been
a
lot
of
changes,
one
of
which
has
been
the
cost
of
construction,
which
has
gone
up
anywhere
between
30
and
50,
depending
on
what
you're
doing.
C
This
is
pretty
complicated,
very
labor
and
material
intensive
construction,
including
concrete,
and
this
and
the
fact
that
we've
stayed
within
a
couple
percentage
points
from
the
beginning
to
the
end
is
really
nothing
short
of
miraculous
and
that's
all
credit
to
both
our
staff
internally
and
the
team
at
gulfstream
and
jmt
who've
really
done
an
amazing
job
on
this
project.
So
I
certainly
would
hope
and
encourage
each
one
of
my
fellow
members
of
this
committee
to
vote
in
favor
of
this.
C
I
know
we're
going
to
have
to
come
back
and
talk
about
the
bonding
part
of
it,
but
we
have
a
revenue
stream
for
it,
and
my
understanding
is
amy.
Please
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
we
do
have
money
in
the
bank
for
this
project
to
go
forward
before
those
bonds
are
in
place
that
we
can
get
through
the
end
of
the
year.
So
we've
got
some
time
to
make
sure
we
do
the
bonding
right
and
get
this
project
going.
So
with
that
I'm
certainly
enthusiastic
about
it.
C
C
They
know
everything
there
is
to
know
about
the
low
battery
and
the
construction,
the
design,
the
weathering
it's
taken
over
the
last
hundred
years,
and
it's
worth
spending
an
hour
or
so
down
there
and
they're
happy
to
see
you
just
go
talk
about
it
and
see
it
and
live
in
a
person
once
this
second
phase
is
opened
up,
which
will
give
us
2000
feet.
Looking
back
towards
the
coast
guard
station,
it's
amazing
to
stand
up
there
and
take
a
look
at
it.
It's
it's
fantastic!
So
with
that.
C
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
giving
me
just
a
few
minutes
to
talk
about
a
project
that
is
very
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
and
those
who
live
downtown
and
really
to
everyone
in
the
city.
E
Well,
I
I
share
councilmember
seeking's
enthusiasm
about
moving
forward
with
this
contract
and
our
thanks
to
you
staff.
They
found
the
incremental
foot,
I
guess
in
keeping
the
costs
flat,
which
is
terrific.
I
did
want
to
point
out,
mr
chairman
and
everyone
just
so
you'll
know.
E
You
know
there
was
a
lot
of
talk
last
discussion
last
year
about
the
federal
infrastructure
of
funding
and
and
us
applying
for
some
of
this
most
of
it's
been
being
given
to
the
state
of
south
carolina
and
last
summer.
We
thought
that
does
the
senate
and
the
house
finance
and
ways
and
means
committees
were
going
to
make
individual
decisions
about
projects,
so
I
submitted,
if
you
all,
remember
a
number
of
projects,
including
this
one
for
for
direct
state
support.
E
Of
course,
as
we
understand
it
now
that
we
don't
know
these
the
final
amount,
but
the
senate
said
900
million,
I
believe
in
the
house,
800
million-
or
maybe
it
was
800
and
700,
but
some
big
number
that
they're
going
to
authorize
over
to
the
rural
infrastructure
authority
to
be
able
to
give
grants
to
cities
to
do
water,
sewer
and
drainage
projects.
E
So
everything
I've
heard
we'll
still
be
able
to
apply,
even
though
we're
proceeding
with
this
project
and
of
course,
we
got
phase
four
to
come
down
the
road
anyway,
so
I
I
just
want
y'all
to
know
it's,
it's
my
and
the
city's
full
intent
to
continue
to
pursue
some
some
outside
funding
to
help
us
pay
for
this,
if
at
all
possible.
Why
not
ask
so
I
agree
this
one
just
wanted
you
to
know.
B
Thank
you
for
those
comments.
Councilman.
D
Mr
john
rivers
lives
down
the
street
from
where
all
this
work
has
been
going
on,
and
he
brought
me
this
door
software.
This
is
a
part
of
the
work
they've
taken
out
and
to
say
sliver
of
some
of
the
pillars
they
were
using.
This
thing
is:
stick
it's
something
to
see
what
he
gave
me
and
the
work
that
they
were
doing
back
in
the
day
as
to
the
renovation
project
that
was
going
on.
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
the
rest
of
the
committee.
B
Let's
listen
one
of
the
things
about
the
bonds
that
we'll
talk
about
later
on
interest
rates
have
bumped
back
down
again,
believe
it
or
not.
I
don't
know
how
long
they're
going
to
stay
down
so
go
into
the
bond
market
with
low
interest
rates
makes
this
even
a
better
opportunity.
B
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
this
is
for
the
same
phase
of
the
low
battery.
This
is
the
construction
engineering
inspection
work
in
the
form
of
a
professional
services,
amendment
with
the
existing
jmt
contract
for
eight
hundred
forty
two
thousand
three
hundred
eighty
one
dollars
and
thirty
one
cents.
Again,
that's
for
the
eighteen
month,
construction
period
on
phase
three,
all
right.
B
Thank
you.
Number
three
calhoun
west
requested
by
councilman
seeking
councilman.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
matt
has
got
a
little
presentation.
Can
you
give
us
give
us
about
where
we
are
with
calhoun
west?
What's
happened
what's
happening
and
what
may
happen
down
in
the
future
and
we
can
have
a
short
discussion
afterwards
if
that
suits
you,
okay,
mr.
D
All
right,
let's
see.
F
F
Acres
split
into
some
sub
basins,
which
we'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
more
detail
so
work
to
date,
we
did
do
a
very
thorough
preliminary
engineering
review
of
basically
the
flooding
in
the
keltman
west
basin.
The
first
step
of
that
was
compiling
information
on
all
the
drainage
infrastructure
that
exists
in
the
city.
F
So
we
went
back
through
the
1984
report
as
well
as
doing
some
additional
verifications
of
pipes.
Brick
arches
existing
infrastructure
combine
that
with
the
updated
lidar
the
surface
topography
in
this
basin
and
basically
built
a
computer
model
of
the
area
to
show
where
do
we
see
current
flooding
and
then
look
at
different
opportunities
again
to
relieve
that
flooding
so
that
the
topmost
picture
there
in
the
the
blue
you're,
seeing
the
one
of
the
risks
in
the
basin,
which
is
the
sea
level,
rise
challenges?
F
F
Basically,
looking
at
a
10-year
rainfall
with
with
current
sea
level,
with
currency
levels
during
tides,
with
purple
being
your
deepest
water,
obviously
you
can
see
colonial-like
and
alberta,
long
leg
kind
of
highlighted
there,
but
also
many
of
the
streets
and
then
going
to
shallower
and
shallow
waters
as
you
get
into
yellow.
But
it's
worth
noting
that
those
purple
areas
are
generally
more
than
two
feet
deep.
So
it
is
a
basin,
as
probably
everyone's
aware
that
does
experience
some
pretty
pretty
significant
flooding.
Making.
F
So
we
took
this
model
basically
used
it
to
do
two
different
things,
one
of
which
was
developing
short-term
project
approaches
then
was
looking
at
long-term,
which
we'll
talk
about
in
a
second.
So
there
were
six
highlighted.
Short-Term
project
approaches
the
the
kind
of
go
through
these
a
little
bit
in
order
here,
but
the
first
one
is
basically
looking
at
a
way
to
relieve
flooding
on
the
va,
what
we
think
of
as
the
va
property
they're
sort
of
at
the
tail
end
of
a
basin.
F
That
includes
some
of
musc,
but
that's
the
basically
the
va
with
its
parking
lot,
which
is
sort
of
the
lowest
point
of
the
basin
and
you've
probably
seen
photos
of
people
rowing
literal
row,
boats
and
things
across
that
parking
lot
to
ferry
doctors
back
and
forth
to
the
hospital
during
some
of
the
hurricane
events.
F
So
in
that
situation
we
had
we
looked
at
adding
a
improvement
to
the
existing
outfall
that
you
can
see
in
the
blue
line
and
potentially
a
lift
station
or
a
booster
station
is
a
pump
in
that
parking
lot
to
help
move
the
water
out
during
high
tide
events,
because
that's
one
of
the
challenges
is
that
parcel
is
extremely
low
compared
to
high
tides.
F
The
second
project
option
was
looking
at
a
way
to
improve
the
drainage
along
calhoun
street
calhoun
has
a
relatively
large
box
culvert
that
extends
out
into
the
marsh,
but
it's
it's
one
heavily
tidally
influenced
again
and
then
and
two
somewhat
undersized
during
during
heavy
rainstorms.
F
So
really
again,
one
of
the
primary
challenges
is:
if
you
get
a
high
tide,
it
doesn't
really
matter
how
much
capacity
you
have,
because
the
water
on
calhoun
street
isn't
much
deeper
than
the
water
in
the
harbor,
so
the
water
just
sort
of
sits
and
makes
that
road
impassable,
obviously
a
very
important
road
because
of
the
access
again
to
the
medical
district
and
the
rest
of
downtown
coming
off
the
bridge
there
moving
down
to
the
sort
of
the
third
option
in
the
middle
on
the
left.
F
This
was
looked
at,
adding
a
improvement
again
to
the
outfall
and
potentially
another
lift
station
in
alberta.
Long
lake
is
a
way
to
help
provide
drainage
to
the
neighborhood,
basically
sitting
again,
just
just
south
of
the
medical
district.
Here,
the
the
lake
itself
acts
somewhat
as
a
natural
reservoir.
If
you
can
lower
the
lake
level
with
a
pump
or
help
bring
that
water
out
during
a
rain
event,
it's
an
opportunity
to
basically
have
a
built-in
stormwater
pond
that
also
functions
as
a
lakes,
and
where
do
we
do
in
some
other
areas
of
the
city?
F
The
fourth
option
is
specifically
looking
at
the
improvements
to
the
broad
lockwood
corridor
here,
so
this
this
option
in
number
four,
specifically
talking
about
the
outfall
pipe
from
colonial
lake.
Again,
looking
at
doing
improvements
in
that
outfall
from
colonial
lake,
potentially
adding
a
pump
to
help
be
able
to
move
the
lake
out
faster.
F
We've
done
that,
occasionally
in
combination
with
the
parks
department,
during
predicted
major
hurricanes,
where
we'll
actually
just
sort
of
use,
the
the
existing
gates
and
the
lake
to
lower
the
lake
level
and
then
try
to
stage
some
pumps
in
the
area
to
help
move
the
water
out
which
tends
to
just
overland
flow
by
flooding
into
the
lake.
But
this
would
be
more
of
an
engineered
approach
to
that
that
style.
C
F
Where
you
really
can't
stop
that,
with
a
check
valve,
you
have
to
either
build
a
barrier
wall
or
a
berm
of
some
sort
to
try
to
reduce
that
we,
we
did
build
a
berm
previously
on
morrison
up
to
about
an
eight
and
a
half
foot
tide
which
has
been
very
effective
up
to
that
tie
level.
This
is
looking
at
doing
something
similar
here,
but
more
of
a
structural
wall
due
to
the
limited
amount
of
geography
we
have
to
work
with,
with
the
sidewalk
and
roadway.
B
Oh,
mr
fountain,
yes,
I'm
gonna,
ask
you
indulgence
and
councilman
seeking
that
made
a
a
very
big
error.
Okay,
we
have
a
guest
on
our
meeting,
mr
steve
thickman
from
the
county,
and
I
really
should
have
already
recognized
him
and
I
don't
want
to
have
to
sit
through
virtually
our
whole
meeting
for
him
to
speak
to
us,
potentially
on
a
collaborative
project
with
the
county
and
daughter
of
lake.
B
So
if
we
can
put
a
pin
in
this
and
come
back
to
it
and
get
this
thing
pinned
in
here,
I
certainly
would
have
would
appreciate
that
and
that's
my
all
of
that
is
my
fault.
I
should
have
recognized
this
big
pin
to
begin
with,
and
mr
I
mean
councilman
seeking.
If
you
would
indulge
me
on
this
one
and
mr
felton,
I
think
we
can
come
back
to
this
after
a
late
daughter
issue
comes
up.
B
C
B
But
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
not
allowing
me
to
correct
a
mistake.
We
have
mr
fake
been
here.
We
all
respect
mr
big
ben,
and
we
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
collaborate
on
an
issue
that
councilman
shealy
has
to
be
put
on
their
agenda
with
an
expansion
project.
First,
I'm
gonna
recognize
councilman
shealy,
and
then
we
go
to
mr
victor.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
As
some
of
you
know,
some
of
the
newer
council
members
may
not
know
the
properties
that
are
around
lake
daughter
have
seen
major
flooding
three
times,
plus
some
minor
flooding
along
lake
daughter
and
kind
of
like
what
we
were
talking
about
with
the
other
lake.
In
the
other
presentation,
we
have
our
parks.
G
People
try
to
drain
that
lake
as
much
as
they
can
when
a
major
storm's
coming
so
that
we
don't
see
that
again,
it
doesn't
always
work
because
sometimes
church
creek
is
higher
than
than
late
daughter,
and
we
can't
we
can't
make
that
flow
out,
but
yeah
I
mean
homes
on
mariners,
ferry
road
and
arrow
and
terrace
and
forest
lakes
boulevard
and
some
of
the
other
roads
are
in
that
area.
G
You
know,
have
a
major
issue
and
we
know
it's
only
going
to
be
a
matter
of
time
before
those
homes
and
properties
flood
again.
But
you
know
when
the
church
creek
study
basin
was
done
five
years
ago
there
was
a
recommendation
that,
like
daughter,
should
flow
out
underneath
glenn
mcconnell
and
go
into
long
branch
creek
on
the
other
side
of
glen
mcconnell.
G
And
if
you
look
at
a
google
time
lapse
map,
we
look
at
the
google
maps
or
google
earth.
You
can
see
that
that
pro
that
water
actually
flowed
that
way
at
one
time
and
the
property
owners
will
tell
you
that
that
have
lived
along
there
that
time.
But
anyway,
we've
got
a.
We
got
an
issue
where
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
make
this
a
part
of
the
glen
mcconnell
widening
project,
and
there
were
cherry
pipes
underneath
committee
for.
G
But
anyway,
the
we're
going
to
be
able
to
put
these
pipes
in
under
the
glen
mcconnell
parkway
as
part
of
glen
mcconnell
parkway
widening
project.
It
just
made
sense
to
do
it
at
that
time.
Make
everything
happen
at
one
time,
so
we
have
only
one
time
of
interruption
for
roads
and
everything
it
just
made
sense
to
get
everything
done.
But
then
we,
mr
dick
pin,
can
tell
you
more
on
this,
but
then
we
came
back
came
back
from
the
state.
G
I
understand
that
they
said
that
we
could
not
use
the
half
cent
sales
tax
for
those
pipes
to
be
put
in
underneath
there.
So
so
we
got
it,
we
got
an
issue,
you
know.
In
my
mind,
people
were
expecting
this
to
be
done.
It
makes
sense
for
it
to
all
be
done,
but
we
just
got
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
to
do.
B
It
now
so
hey
thank
you.
Councilman
sheila,
mr
stakeman
you're
up.
H
Yes,
sir,
I
have
a
brief
presentation
and
I
also
think
mr
fountain
also
has
some
information
for
for
the
committee
as
well.
I
will
try
to
share
my
screen
here
to
see
if
I'm
successful.
B
H
All
right,
thank
you,
matt
yeah,
so
this
is
just
a
brief
presentation
about
kind
of
where
we're
at
and
how
lake
daughter
plays
into
the
glen
mcconnell
parkway
widening
project.
H
H
We
included
a
bid
alternative
for
lake
daughter
just
so
we
could
get
a
kind
of
a
scale
of
how
much
what
we
were
talking
about
from
a
funding
standpoint
and
that
bid
came
in
just
over
two
and
a
half
million
dollars,
almost
2.6
for
a
total
bid,
amount
of
right
at
18
million,
and
so
our.
Where
are
we
at
so
the
county,
issued
a
notice
to
proceed
effective
march
first
and
finally,
in
the
next
two
weeks,
we'll
see
some
construction
equipment
on
site.
H
So
phase
one
of
the
project
westbound
side
from
bees,
ferry
to
magwood,
we'll
start
improving
kind
of
setting
the
stage
doing
the
earth
work
needed
some
of
the
clearing
needed
for
the
project,
as
well
as
preparation
for
the
new
travel
lane.
H
You
know
kind
of
moving
forward
on
the
westbound
side,
then
we'll
flop
over
and
do
the
work
on
the
eastbound
getting
ready
that
for
the
additional
lane
for
that
side
and
as
you
see
at
the
bottom,
this
is
kind
of
that
telltale
point
to
where
we're
going
to
need
to
whether
we
do
we
include
lake
daughter
in
the
work,
or
do
we
not
include
late
daughter
in
the
work
so
that
the
schedule
for
our
contractor
keeps
on
the
on
an
effective
schedule
for
him
and
not
the
delays.
H
H
So
this
kind
of
shows
you,
the
big
large
pink
area,
is
kind
of
the
church
creek
basin.
So
if,
for
those
who
know
the
area
from
the
railroad
overpass
back
toward
bee's
ferry,
that's
the
only
part
of
this
that
flows
into
church
creek
the
rest
of
that
water
will
come
from
that
location
flow
in
the.
H
Creek
one
thing
this
will
include
is
we
will
include
a
few
roadside
structures
so
that
we
don't
release
any
more
water
into
long
long
branch
than
we
are
before
construction
starts,
so
it's
it'll
be
it'll,
go
out
in
a
timely
fashion
and
not
you
know,
flood
long
range.
H
It
does
require
the
relocation
of,
I
believe,
a
active
water
line
that
was
also
included
in
the
price
of
the
work
and
some
of
the
old
lines
and
stuff,
then
being
removed,
they'll
be
abandoned
in
place
as
to
not
have
to
dig
up
more
of
glen
mcconnell
than
we
should
have
now.
Those
pipes
would
be
plugged
and
capped
until
the
after
the
city
got
all
their
permitting
in
place,
but
we
wouldn't
need
to
you
know
kind
of
disturb
glenn
mcconnell
going
forward.
After
all,
the
permits
were
acquired.
H
I
think
matt
has
all
those
numbers
acquire
the
permit
permit
and
the
kind
of
the
tripping
point
for
including
his
work
is
about
407
days
from
mark
470
days
from
march
1st.
H
B
A
question
from
committee
members:
I
can
see
some
of
you
all,
but
not
all,
but.
B
I
don't
see
any
hands,
mr
fountain,
you
have
any
input.
F
B
F
Yeah
just
curious:
the
2.5
million
number.
H
Now
that
that
price
is
guaranteed
by
our
contractor
for
the
period
of
the
contract,
up
until
that
470
day
mark
or
unless
there's
a
change
in
the
scope
of
what
we've
shown
the
contractor
for
him
to
bid
on.
B
All
right,
mr
mayor,
any
input,
listen
to
me.
I
see
you
here.
E
So,
in
other
words,
that's
that's
a
good
price
right
now
steve.
Thank
you
for
all
your
work
on
this
from
a
traffic
you
as
well,
but
I
I
appreciate
y'all,
including
this
in
at
least
the
bidding
that
went
out
so
we'd-
be
able
to
grapple
with
this
and
and
figure
out
a
path
forward.
E
I
I'm
gonna
say
it
wasn't
a
secret
that
it
was
our
hope
and-
and
I
believed
frankly,
from
at
least
a
couple
of
county
council
members,
one
no
longer
on
the
council
so
but
but
but
the
hope
and
expectation
was
that
the
half
cent
was
going
to
be
able
to
help
pay
for
this,
and
and
it's
I'm
I'm
saddened
that
it's
not
to
be
honest
with
you,
of
course,
council
would
have
had
to
follow
up
and
and
make
that
decision.
E
I,
I
guess
steve
I
I
do
have
to
ask
his.
Is
there
any?
I
mean
a
lot
of
people
who
would
benefit
from
this
drainage
portion
of
the
project
long-term
or
charleston,
county
residents
and
taxpayers,
as
well
as
city
residents?
Of
course
everybody
in
the
city
out
there
is
in
the
county,
but
there's
many
unincorporated
citizens
that
live
in
that
basin.
So
has
there
been
any
consideration
by
the
county
to
to
help
with
funding
from
another
source
other
than
the
half
cent?
Since
that's
not
eligible.
F
That's
always
a
good
question
mayor.
We
we
have
the
city
if
the
city
has
invested
a
decent
amount
of
money.
I
think
we
put
about
120
000
over
the
last
couple
of
years
into
getting
us
to
a
point
of
basic
construction,
ready
plans
that
were
used
to
bid
the
project
and
the
base
efforts
for
permitting.
We
do.
We
do
still
need
to
finalize
the
usa
permit
the
army
corps.
Permit.
F
You
know
the
main
concern,
of
course,
of
the
core
is
what
what
steve
alluded
to
in
his
presentation
that
the
pipes
have
to
be
installed
plugged
until
such
time
as
the
city
can
make
improvements
under
savannah
highway
and
under
the
greenway,
and
then
there's
one
other
location
to
basically
not
worsen
flooding
in
long
branch
creek
from
adding
that
water
to
long
branch,
creek
and
the
army
corps
obviously
is
that's.
Their
main
concern
is
how
do
we
guarantee
that
those
improvements
are
made
before
these
pipes
are
are
used?
I
think
we
could
work
through
that.
F
C
Just
very
very
briefly,
mr
chairman,
steve
before
we
lose.
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
you
and
your
team,
for
sort
of
visioning,
this
project
out
and
including
transit
as
part
of
an
essential
part
of
what
you're
doing
it's
not
an
insignificant
amount
of
money,
that's
being
invested
in
making
sure
that
we
can
safely
transit
through
public
transportation
along
there.
C
So
I
hope
all
the
projects
at
the
county
and
come
to
the
city
in
the
future
will
have
the
same
considerations
because
this
corridor
for
sure,
no
matter
how
wide
you
make
it
is
going
to
be
heavily
burdened
with
trend
traffic
and
any
transit
we
can
put
on
there
to
relieve.
That
would
be
helpful
and
making
it
safe
and
attractive
is
a
huge
part
of
it.
So
thank
you.
B
G
B
People
walk
glenn
mcconnell
and
they
walk
in
the
grassy
medium
going
where
they're
going,
which
is
every
time
I
see
that
got
to
be
a
better
way.
So
thank
you
so
much
again
for
what
you're
doing
so,
it's
time
to
get.
B
I
guess
our
calculators
out
mr
fountain,
mr
mayor
council,
members
and
piggy
bank
upside
down,
because
it's
certainly
cost
effective
to
move
forward,
while
the
counties
teaming
in
effect
getting
these
bids
pricing
is
not,
and
that
would
be
cheaper
than
this
process
than
where
we
are
right
now
in
this
process
to
get
those
pipes
on
the
road,
even
if
we
have
to
plug
them
with
the
fountain
until
we
get
downstream.
Approval
certainly
makes
sense
to
get
the
pipes
on
the
road.
E
I
I
think
mr
fountain
was
going
to
make
a
little
addition.
F
F
I
mean
our
normal
projects
are
complicated.
This
one
is
also
extremely
complicated.
So,
just
again,
just
very
briefly,
as
as
mr
thick
pen
mentioned,
this
started
with
a
2017
church
creek
study
western
sampson
option.
Number
seven
was
looking
at
installing
a
single
pipe
under
the
glen
mcdonald
parkway.
F
F
The
modeling
showed
that
we
could
see
some
significant
improvements
to
like
daughter,
though
likely
no
benefits
to
church
creek,
unlike
some
of
the
original
work,
where
they,
basically
when
they
looked
at
the
impacts
downstream
on
long
branch,
creek,
there's
enough
flooding
and
challenge
on
long
branch
currently
that
they
can't
change
the
church,
creek
flood
scenario
significantly,
and
we
can
get
into
that
in
far
more
detail
if
anybody
wants
to.
But
basically
we
do
show
potential
for
improvements.
F
So
we
did.
We
did
look
at,
as
mr
thicke
mentioned,
doing
this
in
collaboration
with
the
glenn
mcconnell
project,
as
it
was
a
good
opportunity
to
do
two
projects
at
the
same
time,
minimize
construction
disruption,
we
advanced
our
permitting,
as
I
mentioned,
went
through
and
did
kind
of
construction
ready
documents
that
were
used
in
the
bid.
F
We've
we've
had
our
those
conversations
with
usace
with
the
army
corps
for
wetland
and
stream
impacts,
bid
the
project
kind
of
got
gotten
our
pricing
point
again.
We've
talked
about
having
installed
the
pipes
closed
at
this
point
in
time
because
of
the
improvements
under
highway
17
the
greenway
and
then
the
berm
we
are
estimating
a
total
project.
Cost
is
likely
to
be
on
the
order
of
20
million
dollars.
F
F
So
it
brings
us
up
to
date.
Of
course,
we
had
the
roughly
2.6
million
dollar
cost
for
work.
We
would
need
to
add
the
additional
final
permitting
services
with
usa,
probably
establish
a
project
contingency
and
then
provide
some
inspection
on
the
installation,
so
we'd
estimate
a
budget.
Probably
three
million
dollars
is
what
we'd
looked
for.
If
we
wanted
to
move
forward
with
this
work
with
the
county.
G
F
I
think
we
did
touch
already
on
the
department
revenue
finding
that
they
couldn't
use
sales
tax
funding
at
the
county,
which
obviously
was
a
blow
to
our
approach
on
the
project.
So
we
have
been
looking
at
options
for
path
forward.
Of
course,
we
can
move
forward
with
the
installation
with
a
three
million
dollar
budget.
That
is,
that
is
one
option.
F
F
What
is
our
construction
going
to
look
like
under
savannah
highway
and
under
the
greenway,
especially
to
get
a
better
cost
estimate,
as
well
as
finalizing
the
berm
construction
details
for
like
daughter?
We
have
been
talking
with
noah
about
that
approach,
because
noah
has
a
lot
of
interest
in
long
branch.
Creek
noaa
does
see
some
opportunities
coming
their
way
from
some
of
the
new
federal
stimulus
funds
for
design
work,
so
we're
working
with
noaa
right
now,
looking
at
a
possible
design
grant
application
for.
F
Basically,
that
overall
project
approach,
of
course,
that
would
require
generally
the
city
to
come
with
matching
money.
So
this
is.
This
is
one
other
option
if
we
decide
not
to
move
forward
with
the
the
three
million
dollars
for
the
pipe
installation,
we
could
basically
reallocate
some
of
that
money
into
the
preliminary
engineering
for
the
overall
project
and
try
to
come
up
with
grant
funding
to
advance
that
a
little
bit
more
expeditiously,
so
that.
B
F
Sorry
yeah,
mr
chairman,
I'm
throwing
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
information
at
you
very
quickly.
I
think
that
already
did
so
yeah.
Obviously
the
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
with
the
entire
three
million
dollars
coming
on
the
city
for
the
drainage
pipe
installation
that
we
would
also
have
to
spend
additional
money
to
do
the
downstream
improvements
that
would
be
necessary
for
the
remainder
of
the
project.
F
One
of
our
recommendations
is
to
look
at
basically,
instead
of
just
having
done
the
engineering
and
construction
of
the
work
under
glenn
mcconnell.
Since
we
know
we're
going
to
need
to
do
work
under
17
in
the
greenway
that
we
haven't
yet
designed
or
permitted
to
basically
say:
let's
do
the
engineering
design
the
preliminary
engineering
get
it.
You
know
a
tighter
cost
estimate
get
the
benefits
to
long
branch
creek
and
then
basically
have
a
package
to
be
able
to
fund
or
build
the
entire
project
advantages
of
going
that
route.
F
As
we've
been
talking
with
noaa
and
again,
nothing
is
ever
guaranteed
in
the
grant
world.
But
noaa
has
a
very
strong
interest
in
the
ecological
side
of
long
branch
creek.
They
want
to
see
and
improve
salt
water
flushing
in
that
area,
something
they've
been
looking
at
for
years.
They
are
getting
another
grant
funding
source
from
some
of
the
infrastructure
and
resiliency
money
that's
been
coming
through
from
the
federal
level.
F
They
think
this
is
a
good
project
and
they've
asked
us
if
we'd
partner
with
them
in
an
application
for
basically
that
design
work
in
long
branch
creek.
It's
certainly
an
area,
long
branch
creek
as
many
of
the
homes
are
in
the
county.
It's
also
borders,
of
course,
the
usda
or
agricultural
facility
out
there.
B
Any
questions
committee
men,
mr
mayor.
E
And-
and
this
might
be
back
to
steve,
but
I
appreciate
either
steve
or
matt's
opinion
on
this
steve.
It
was
always
my
conception
as
well
as
councilmember
sheila,
said
and,
and
I
think
others
that
gee
it
makes
sense
to
to
do
this
at
the
same
time.
But
just
out
of
curiosity
from
a
practical
logistical
cost
point
of
view
it
does
it
really
matter
that
we
do
it
when
the
widening
is
done
as
opposed
to
a
year
or
two
from
now
I
mean
or
or
after
the
widening
project
is
over.
H
Mr
mayor,
I
wouldn't
think
it
would
if
there
are
some
things
in
that
in
that
proposal
that
we
had,
such
as
relocating
the
utility
which
was
going
to
require,
I
believe,
an
open
cut
of
glen
mcconnell
parkway.
H
So
if
you
came
back
in
two
to
three
years,
you
may
have
to
open
and
cut
the
roadway,
which
would
you
have
always
has
people
scratching
their
heads
on.
While
you
come
back
and
cut
a
brand
new
asphalt
for
the
next
project
that
you
knew
about
before
we
did
this
one
so
other
than
that
is
the
only
drawback
I
see
of
waiting
until
matthews
permitted
the
whole
project.
E
And,
and
if
I
could
ask
one
more
question,
matt
is
I
mean,
is:
is
there
anything
preventing
us
from
kind
of
doing
both
tracks
it
for,
for
the
time
being,
for
the
next
little
while
is
to
pursue
the
permit?
E
We
need
with
the
core
to
to
to
go
ahead
and
put
the
pipes
in
place,
while
we
at
the
same
time,
figure
out
what
the
potential
possibility
is
for
the
noaa
involvement
and
grant
funding
for
the
bigger
project,
and
can
we
kind
of
do
it
that
way
and
and
basically
decide
sometime
before
460
days
from
now.
F
F
If
we
had
a
design
for
the
overall
project,
it
would
be
much
easier
for
thing
for
them
to
permit,
but
that
would
take
much
longer,
probably
than
the
the
time
slot
we
we
could,
alternatively,
spend
the
money,
probably
fifty
thousand
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
finish
up.
The
army
corps
permit
for
the
pipe
installation
and
also
start
looking
at
the
rfq
for
a
design
consultant
to
come
back
and
do
the
remainder
of
the
kind
of
the
design
and
permitting
work
for
the
rest
of
the
project.
F
C
C
E
Yeah
that
all
that
question
arose
when
that
greenville
case,
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
with
they.
They,
you
probably
might
know
more
about
it
than
I,
but
it
it
questioned
the
ability
of
local
government
to
use
the
half
cent
sales
tax.
E
I
think
if
it
wasn't
specified
or
if
it
wasn't
originally
part
of
the
project,
does
that
sound
right
steve,
but
we
made
a
specific
request:
city
county
jointly
to
the
south
carolina
department
of
revenue,
to
make
it
clear
up
front
whether
it
was
eligible
or
not
and
and
a
legal
counsel
could
tell
you
better
than
me-
why
not?
But
they
said
no.
I
Yeah
I
just
felt
like
I
could
chime
in
on
this.
I
mean
that
the
counties
have
said
sales
tax
dollars
are
taxes,
and
the
county
has
broad
authority
on
what
to
spend
those
money's
on
as
long
as
it's
somewhat
related
to
road
projects,
there
was
litigation
over
whether
the
county
could
legally
apply
half
cent
sales
tax
dollars
to
526,
which
was
not
on
the
list
of
16
or
so
items
on
the
agenda.
I
was
actually
part
of
a
group
that
brought
a
lawsuit
over
that
issue.
I
That
lawsuit
was
not
successful
as
far
as
I
you
know
can
recall
due
to
the
fact
that
there's
extremely
broad
authority
for
counties
when
it
comes
to
taxes,
if
we're
talking
about
fees,
it's
a
whole
different
story
and
that's
what
that
greenville
county
case
was
about
from
last
summer.
So
I
don't
see
any
reason
other
than
politics.
I
As
for
why
half
cent
sales
tax
money
cannot
be
used
for
this
project
or
any
other
road
project
in
the
county?
So
I
just
figured
I'd
comment
on
that,
but
otherwise
you
know
whatever
works
best
for
everybody.
This
is
way
outside
of
my
district,
so
y'all
decide.
What's
best.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I've
got
a
couple
questions
and
I'll
start
with
councilmember
chile.
Early
on
in
in
your
introduction
to
all
this,
you
mentioned
the
houses
I
got
were
flooded
so
where,
which
ones
are
we
talking
about?
What
what
area
and
how
frequently
is
that?
Is
it
from
rainstorms
or.
G
Well,
they
were
from
the
three
major
I
mean
the
major
flooding
were
from
the
three
flood.
You
know
three
major
flooding
that
flooded
church
creek
and
all
all
of
that
you
know
the
so
I
mean
gosh
whenever
that
big.
I
can't
remember
all
the
dates,
but
you
know
the
hurricanes
and
then
the
big
whatever
storm
that
that
happened
that
caused
all
that
flooding.
I
mean
some
of
you
may
remember
the
posters.
D
It's
not
an
everyday
rain
occurrence
like
a
like
a
heavy
rain
storm.
It's
usually
a
little
bit
more
dramatic
than
that
that's
happening
well,.
G
Yeah
anytime,
we
we're
going
to
have
a
major
rainstorm.
Now,
if
we
know
five
five
or
six
days
out,
then
then
jason
kronsberg
is
city
park.
Late
jason
gets
some
guys
and
we
can
open
up
the
dam
and
we
can
start
to
let
that
water
flow
out,
but
even
with
that,
we've
had
some
minor
flooding.
When
I
see
minor
flooding
it
didn't
drop
in
the
houses
came
up
in
the
yards,
maybe
killed
some
azaleas
or
some
other
bushes,
that
type
of
stuff,
but
yeah
we're
talking
about.
G
Forest
lakes
boulevard
is
part
of
it,
and
then
you
have
mariners
ferry
mariners.
Ferry
road
is
on
the
other
side.
Wind
arrow
winds,
a
little
road
right
there
by
the
arrow,
wind
floods
and
maybe
even
part
of
emerald
forest
floods.
Over
that
way,
too,
the
backside
away,
you
might
flood
a
little
bit
as
well
way
to
drive,
may
flood
a
little
bit
also
because
it's
right
there
on
the
lake.
D
So
and
I'm
I'm
sorry,
I'm
asking
all
these
questions,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
it,
but
so
is
it?
Is
it
just
the.
G
Streets
are
getting
flooded
or
is
it
coming
into
the
oh?
No,
it's
the
homes
you
might
go
back
close
and
courier
did
quite
a
story.
Some
of
you
may
remember
ken
berger,
the
sports
editor
from
the
post
and
curry.
You
know
he
had
to
be
rescued
by
boat
out
of
there.
He
was
sick
at
the
time,
but
you
know,
but
he
had
to
be
rescued
by
charleston
county
right
out
of
his
home
by
boat,
because
the
flooding
was
so
bad
up
in
their
homes.
D
D
D
F
Yeah,
probably
probably
a
borrow
area
most
likely,
is
what
it
looks
like.
D
E
So
could
I
ask
another
nice
to
me,
okay
kind
of
following
up
on
on
that
question
about
the
true
what
we're
trying
to
solve
here
and
we've
seen
flooding
in
in
three
normally
during
the
major
events,
and
if
I
remember
correctly,
it
wasn't
just
because
of
the
rain
being
able
to
drain
off,
but
it
was
because
the
church
creek
basin
was
overflowing
into
over
the
dam
and
in
the
lake
daughter
and
contributing
to
the
water.
E
So
I'm
not
saying
we
got
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
right
now,
but
if
we
had
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
and
we
were
looking
for
a
short-term
betterment,
knowing
that
a
long
branch
could
be
20
million
and
much
more
complicated
and
take
some
years
to
to
accomplish,
it
is
something
we
want
to
do,
but
it
may
take
a
while
to
get
there
meantime
all
the
pipes
will
be
shut
off.
Would
it
would
elevating
the
dam
make
more
sense
to
do
right
away
to
actually
help
on
the
more
immediate
need?
F
And
if
you'd
like
mr
chairman,
I
can
respond
yeah
but
chill
mr
falcon
billion.
So
mayor
yeah,
I
mean
yes
with
the.
If
you
can
cut
off
the
flow
in
from
church
creek,
that's
a
huge
benefit.
The
other
thing
that
that
is
needed
is
to
be
able
to
drain
the
lake
to
a
lower
level
than
it
currently
sits
at
more
efficiently.
So
that's
something
we
looked
at
as
a
possible
option
within
the
dam
church.
Creek
is
a
little
harder
to
drain
into
than
long
branch.
Creek.
F
Interestingly,
the
way
the
tidal
elevations
work,
but
yes
that
isn't
that
is
a
another
short-term
option-
is
to
improve
the
dam
height
and
potentially
add
some
additional
like
check
valve
to
outfall
or
gate
valved
outfall
from
like
daughter
into
church
creek,
to
build
again
work
in
advance
of
large
predicted
storms.
It
wouldn't
help
as
much
for
the
unpredicted
major
rain
bombs
and
things,
but
for
hurricanes.
It
would
be
very
helpful
right.
F
Lesson
samson
did
a
very
brief
look
at
the
dam
as
part
of
this
project
work
and
the
money
we
spend.
Looking
at
this
we've
looked
at
basically
bringing
the
dam
up
to
like
an
eight
foot
elevation,
which
is
a
few
feet
above
it
space
as
high
as
you
can
bring
it
without
starting
to
take
people's
homes
to
tie
it
in
around
the
edge
of
the
lake.
F
We
have
not
yet
done
a
good
cost
estimate
for
it,
but
it
is
it's
not
it's
not
a
short
causeway
you're,
probably
looking
on
the
order
of
a
couple
to
a
few
million
dollars
to
do
a
good
job
of
something
like
that.
It's
not
not
insignificant,
but
we
have
not
gotten
a
detailed
cost
estimate.
Yet.
B
You
know
one
thing
that
we'll
have
to
keep
in
mind
before
this
road
was
built.
Water
flowed
that
way,
naturally
and
eventually
went
you
know
out
to
the
stone
that
way.
So
you
know
we
wouldn't
when
water
flows
in
the
lake
daughter,
but
for
glenn
mcconnell
now
the
water
would
have
some
of
that
water
would
have
flowed
that
way
anyway,
we're
talking
about
restoring
what
was
you
know.
G
B
Thing
I've
learned
from
being
on
council.
You
know
the
time
that
I've
been
here
drainage
project
increase.
We
saw
that
with
the
crosstown
well,.
G
B
Sorry
said,
tim
o'clock
spring
fish
bearing
project
councilman
gregory
would
decapitate
me
if
he
heard
me
say
crosstalk
so
and
I
haven't
seen
a
drainage
project,
a
drainage
project
go
down
since
I've
been
in
on
council
last
decade.
So
I
think
anytime.
We
can
collaborate
to
take
water,
potentially
even
some
out
of
one
system
that
we
know
floods
and
when
we
look
at
the
major
things
that
have
been
done
in
church
creek.
B
The
biggest
thing
we've
done
is
we
bought
out
people
who
homes
flooded,
which
was
great
but
as
far
as
major
action
steps
to
remove
water.
We
really
hadn't.
B
B
We've
got
40
percent
of
this
money
and
delinquent
fees
that
we
just
don't
collect
on
our
stormwater
fees.
We
have
customers
out
there
that
knowingly
don't
pay
the
fee,
and
I
know
we're
working
on
trying
to
change
that
system.
You
know
this.
The
city
of
north
charleston,
I
think
mount
pleasant,
had
has
a
stormwater
fees
added
to
their
tax
bill,
but
those
delinquencies
potentially
keeps
projects
like
these
from
being
funded.
B
B
That's
ongoing
revenue
going
forward
that
we
would
be
collecting
so
whether
it's
this
project
or
the
other,
we
have
to
find
a
way
to,
I
think,
be
proactive
on
the
drainage
piece,
and
I
understand
you,
mr
fountain,
about
going
down
river
and
noah
and
all
of
that,
but
somehow
I
think,
coming
back
two
or
three
years
later,
cutting
the
road
and
putting
pipes
on
the
underneath
from
a
cost-effective
standpoint.
B
Just
does
not
make
sense
to
me
any
other
from
committee
members,
mr
thinkpin,
I
tell
you
you've
been
a
a
scholar
and
gentleman
on
this
one.
I
I
I
feel
so
bad
that
I
didn't
recognize
you
from
the
beginning,
but
I
think
it
was
that
clemson
paul
back
there
that
just
threw
me
off.
B
I
got
a
little
change
all
right,
but
again,
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
your
time
after
a
long
day
and
the
patience
that
you
exhibit
and
the
knowledge
that
you
shared.
So
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
You
know,
and
I
I
guess
I'll
put
on
a
plug
for
councilman
seeking's
on
that
wall.
Maybe
we'll
be
back
to
you
on
that
as
well,
but
thanks
again
man.
C
Right,
councilman
siegens,
mr
chairman,
I
just
sent
you
a
message.
I
hate
to
ask
the
committee
to
indulge
me
like
this,
but
I
I
would
like
to
respectfully
request
that
we
carry
over
the
rest
of
the
conversation
on
calvin
west.
I
have
a
hard
stop
this
evening,
so
I've
got
a
medical
procedure
in
the
morning
that
I
got
to
go.
B
I
think
by
acclimation
we
could
do
that.
One
sure
take.
C
B
All
the
best,
all
the
best,
so
we're
gonna
put
a
pinhole
there
and
carry
calhoun
west
forward,
mr
felton,
to
the
next
agenda,
the
last
next
one
we
have
down
here.
Is
this
update
on
cooper
jackson,
mr
about
how?
How
long
is
that,
mr.
D
D
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
ask
that
all
these
would
be
carried
forward
too
as
well.
If
that's
okay,
just
to
kind
of
move
the
agenda
along,
I
want
ordnance
to
accept
exclusive
stormwater
drainage,
easements
dealing
with
ashley
harbour
councilman
shealy.
I
think
this.
Oh
no!
That's
that's
cool!
Thank
you,
ms
copeland.
A
So,
thank
you
councilman,
waring
and
good
evening,
everyone.
So
this
culminated.
This
ordinance
culminated
from
a
discussion
a
few
months
earlier,
where
some
members
of
the
ashley
harbor
neighborhood
approached
their
representatives
about
some
maintenance
and
clean
out
work
and
one
of
their
drainage
outfalls
in
the
neighborhood.
The
neighborhood
is
gated.
These
are
private
streets
and
private
private
pipes
under
the
ground,
but
the
neighbor's
argument
is:
we
pay
the
stormwater
fee.
A
We
should
be
entitled
to
at
least
the
maintenance
work
within
that
neighborhood,
so
the
directive
was
given
to
us
to
meet
with
the
hoa
and
see
what
kind
of
arrangement
we
could
make.
We
do
believe
that
the
best
way
forward
through
this
process
would
be
for
the
neighborhood
to
grant
us
a
non-exclusive
drainage,
easement
agreement.
A
We
have
been
working
with
the
hoa
president
and
another
member
named
brandon.
Winchester
has
been
very
helpful.
They
provided
all
of
the
plats
to
us
and
they
have
marked
where
these
drainage,
where
these
drainage
ease
nuts
actually
will
show,
and
I
have
a
copy
of
those
exhibits
if
you
would
like
to
see
them.
A
Sorry
about
that
yeah,
so
there's
25,
total
drainage,
outputs
in
all
in
the
neighborhood,
and
that
was
shared
with
you
all
in
the
packet
in
exhibit
b,
which
is
attached
to
the
drainage
easement
itself,
which
would
that
is
something
that
we
are
working
through
with
the
language
with
the
neighborhood.
But
right
now.
I
just
wanted
to
present
to
you
the
idea
that
we
would
be
doing
this
through.
A
Here
we
go
through
a
non-exclusive
drainage
easement,
so
the
exhibits
attached
as
25
in
total.
So
these
are
the
surveys
that
are
currently
filed
with
a
register
of
deeds,
so
what
the
neighborhood
association
has
done
and
and
by
the
way
we
also
attach
the
covenants,
which
gives
the
neighborhood
association
the
right
to
provide
a
non-exclusive
easement
to
governmental
entities
like
us.
A
So
under
this
it
would
give
us
the
opportunity
to
go
in
and
provide
any
kind
of
maintenance
or
inspection
services
to
the
neighborhood.
So,
as
you
can
see
where
all
the
red
dots
are
on
these
surveys,
this
is
where
the
drainage
outfalls
are
currently
within
the
neighborhood,
and
I
believe
2221
is
the
one
that's
been
giving
them
problems
of
late
and
historically
the
city
when
the
neighbor,
when
the
neighborhood
has
reached
out
to
the
city
they've
gone
in
there
with
a
vacuum
truck
and
performed
that
service
for
them.
A
But
this
would
formalize
it
for
us
and
provide
a
level
of
protection
for
the
city
going
forward.
If
we're
gonna
provide
this
maintenance
in
the
future.
E
Mr
mayor,
I
I
would
say
I
I
support
the
concept
given
that
they
pay
the
stormwater
fee.
I
do
think
that's
reasonable.
I
would
just
ask
the
question:
how
we
define
maintenance-
and
you
know
if,
if
a
pipe
were
to
collapse
and
need
to
be
replaced,
is
that
considered
maintenance
or
is
that
on
them?
If,
if
in
the
future
sea
level
rises
to
where
it
makes
sense,
to
have
check
valves
and
their
outfalls?
E
Is
that
maintenance,
or
is
that
new
construction?
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
understand
what
the
limits
are
going
into
this
anyway,
that
that
would
be
my
question
and
request.
A
B
Okay,
any
input
councilman.
A
I
think
the
purpose
of
having
non-exclusive
is
just
that
they
can
extend
that
same
right
to
a
private
entity
to
go
in
there
and
repair
it.
You
know
if
it's
exclusive,
the
city
is
the
only
entity
that
can
come
in
there
and
inspect
or
maintain.
B
Right,
mr
felt.
D
F
Real
quickly,
mr
chairman
and
ms
copeland,
please
let
me
know
if
I'm
sideways,
but
I
believe
these
are
also
overlaying
existing
general
utility
easements.
So
it's
hard
to
retroactively
go
exclusive
and
when
they
probably
already
have
existing
agreements
with
those
utilities
for
the
existing
easements.
B
Any
other
input
from
committee
members,
so
I
guess
next
steps,
that's
informational!
So
what's
next
ms
cooper.
A
We'll
move
this
forward
to
council,
it's
basically
to
give
the
mayor
the
right
to
export
the
authority
to
execute
it.
Once
legal
works
out
the
details
with
the
hoa.
B
I
I
actually
had
a
question
about
this.
I
You
know
I
I
I
have
represented
some
folks
up
in
berkeley
county
of
all
places
that
were
trying
to
get
the
county
to
take
over
maintenance
of
certain
stormwater.
You
know
infrastructure
features
in
that
neighborhood
and
part
of
the
challenge,
in
my
case
with
the
county.
I
Back
then,
was
that
the
county
wanted
us
to
bring
the
storm
water
features
up
to
current
standards
and
current
code
before
the
city
would
sorry
before
the
county
would
take
responsibility
for
them,
and
so
currently
I
mean
the
reason,
as
I
understand
it,
that
ashley
harbor
needs
to
do.
This
is
because
currently,
these
storm
water
drainage
features
are
on
private
property.
Hence
we
can't
use
public
dollars
to
maintain
them.
I
I
just
am
wondering
if
there's
been
any
discussion
about
whether
certain
steps
need
to
be
taken
by
the
hoa
to
sort
of
bring
these
features
up
to
standard
or
up
to
snuff.
Before
we
take
on
all
these
maintenance
responsibilities,
I
don't
know
I've
nev,
I
haven't
been
out
there
looked
at
it.
I
I
don't
know
what
we're
dealing
with
out
there,
but
that's
a
consideration
that
you
know
berkeley
county
was
concerned
about
in
the
case
that
I
handled
for
that
because
it's
a
big
you
know
this
is
a
big
commitment,
as
the
mayor
alluded
to
in
you
know
certain
certain
respects
I
just
wanted
to
know.
B
So
before
she
comments,
it's
your
question
more
towards
capital
improvements
than
going
forward
in
the
future,
and
I
guess
it's
a
good
question
how's.
It
agreement
addressed
that
ms
cooper.
A
Well,
at
the
moment,
the
the
eastman
agreement
does
not
in
and
of
itself
address
the
the
requirement
that
they
bring
the
pipes
up
to
city
standards
in
order
for
us
to
take
or
to
be
a
party
to
this
easement
agreement.
If
that's
what
you're
talking
about
councilman
appel,
that
does
not
address
that
issue
and
I'm
not
really
sure
the
status
of
the
the
pipes
at
this
point,
I'm
not
sure
if
matt
fountain
has
any
intel.
B
B
A
B
Well,
well,
upset
the
apricot
if
things
going
on
well
the
way
you
got
it
going.
I
think
that's
fine,
but
it's
for
maintenance.
What
councilman
lapel
is
talking
about
and
correct
me
because
I'm
out
of
my
pay
grade
on
this,
but
you're
talking
about
capital
capital
improvement
upgrades
to
current
standards,
which
right
now.
I
I
Right
right,
I
think
certainly
it
could
have
a
capital
improvement
dimension
to
it.
I
think
it's
more
along
the
lines
of
you
know
the
city
right
now
is
taking
on,
or
is
being
asked
to
take
on
a
responsibility
that
that
it
has
no
responsibility
to
do
right
now,
legally.
In
fact,
it's
illegal
for
the
city
to
provide
the
services
that
the
neighborhood
is
requesting.
I
The
city
cannot
perform
work
with
the
taxpayer
dollars
on
private
property.
I
can't
call
up
jason
kronsberg
and
ask
somebody
from
the
parks
department
to
come
mow,
my
yard,
I
mean
it's
the
same
reason.
You
can't
do
this,
so
in
order
for
us
to
legally
be
able
to
perform
the
work
out
in
these
outfalls
and
pipes
and
drop
drain
boxes
or
whatever
the
features
are
out
there.
We
need
this
easement.
I
All
I'm
saying
is
that
local
governments
tend
to
want
to
know
what
kind
of
maintenance
obligations
they're
taking
on
before
they
take
them
on.
In
other
words,
like
I'd
like
to
hear
from
matt-
and
I
don't
want
to
put
him
on
the
spot
today
but
before
this
becomes
final-
is
to
like
what
is
the
condition
of
these
features
out
there.
I
You
know
berkeley
county
required
us
to
like
spend
hundreds
of
thousands,
if
not
millions,
of
dollars
to
get
our
neighborhoods
stormwater
facilities
up
to
code
and
standard
before
they
would
agree
to
accept
maintenance.
Now
to
julia's
point
I
mean
I
suppose
this
season,
it
could
be
structured
in
such
a
way
that
we,
basically
just
say,
hey,
we'll,
come
through
with
a
vac
truck
once
once
a
year,
you're
getting
your
vac
and
we're
we're
disclaiming.
I
Any
sort
of
other
obligations
responsibilities,
things
of
that
nature,
but
we
just
need
to
be
very
prescribed
on
this,
because
this
is
one
of
those
things
that
that
ought
to
be
really
simple
and
straightforward,
but
is
matt,
has
educated
me
over
the
two
and
a
half
years,
or
so
I've
been
doing
this
over
in
my
district,
where
we're
trying
to
do
a
lot
of
retrofitting
of
existing
stormwater
features
on
private
property.
I
This
stuff
gets
complicated
in
a
hurry,
and
I
just
don't
want
the
city
to
you
know
incur
you
know,
liabilities
and
issues
that
we're
not
necessarily
you
know
eyes
wide
open
about.
I
just
think
we
ought
to
go
into
this.
You
know
fully
clear
with
what
sort
of
obligations
the
city
is
being
asked
to
take
on,
or
we
just
structure
the
legal
document
in
such
a
way
as
to
just
be
very
clear
about
what
the
city
is
doing
and
what
the
city
is
not
doing.
I
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
skin
this
cat.
I
just
think
I
mean
I'd
like
to
know
kind
of
what
the
condition
is
of
the
system
out
there
I
mean.
B
Well,
I
tell
you
what
I
think
we
need
to
keep
it
narrow
to
what
they
asked,
for
they
really
wanted
us
to
come
up
there
with
a
back
truck
and
suck
it
out
and
keep
it
simple.
I
think,
mr
mayor,
I
saw
your
hand.
D
Mr
chairman,
to
mr
apparel's
point
and
for
julia
you
know
in
the
past,
we've
had
a
few
subdivisions
that
were
private
roads,
they've
asked,
but
for
the
city
to
take
over
the
maintenance,
those
roads
and
the
policy
we've
always
had
in
public
service
is
before.
We
would
do
that.
We
would
send
an
inspector
and
an
engineer
out
to
to
access
the
condition
of
those
roads
to
make
sure,
and
as
mr
appel
said
at
times
there
were
certain
repairs
needed
before
we
would
do
anything
in
any
activity.
We
were
requiring
to
make
those
repairs.
D
Sometimes
we
would
coordinate
with
them
to
help
them
find
a
contractor
to
do
it.
But,
like
you
said
it's
almost
like
opening
pandora's
box,
if
you
don't
know
the
condition
it
could,
it
could
get
very
costly
depending
on
how
the
wording
of
the
agent
reads.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
in
for
what
it
was
worth.
B
All
right,
that's
one,
that's
two,
mr
mayor,
and
then
we
go
to
mr
fountain
to
address
some
of
that
right.
So,
mr.
E
Wouldn't
that
be
yeah
right,
I
don't
think
we
ever
had
any
inspections
that
we
were
conducting
of
their
private
system.
We
were
just
responding
to
whenever
they
had
a
clog.
I
could
be
wrong
so
so
we
I.
I
appreciate
the
the
thought
that
we
ought
to
have
an
inspection
of
of
the
condition
of
the
system
before
a
more
this
general
acceptance
of
of
of
maintenance,
even
though,
as
I
said
before,
I
think
that
ought
to
be
pretty
well
defined
and
limited
to
things
like
sending
the
vacuum
truck
out
to
get
a
clog
out.
E
B
Well,
mr
man,
I
can't
say
I
disagree
with
you
that
that
the
the
initial
and
you
know
and
councilman
sheila
helped
me
out,
but
the
initial
request
was
to
unclog
the
clog
basically
and
that
we
have
been
doing
that.
Maybe
maybe
we
stay
within
those
guidelines,
but
that's
correct.
That's
that's
right.
So
I
think
that
was
the
request
and
I
think
hopefully,
this
coupling.
If
we
can
kind
of
narrow
it
back,
maybe
take
the
inspection
part
out.
B
B
Okay,
so
we
need
action
item
on,
but
we
just
it's
the
fountain
just
say
that
sound
bite.
We
have
a
motion
out
there.
Councilman
lapel
put
a
motion
forward.
I
Sure
I'll
move
to
proceed
along
the
manner
that
matt
just
outlined,
with
the
understanding
that
the
documents
will
be
drafted
up
in
a
manner
to
very
specifically
define
the
city's
limited
maintenance
role
in.
In
this
respect,
with
some
indemnity
and
all
that
good
stuff.
B
All
right,
I
know
I
shouldn't
ask
the
lawyer
to
bring
that
motion,
but
anyway
we
have
a
second
out
there.
Okay,
probably
moved
in
second
any
more
discussion
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
hi
in
the
pool.
Thank
you
very
much,
miss
copeland
seriously.
B
I
appreciate
your
all
your
input,
mr
fountain,
on
that
one
mr
councilmember
pal
and
councilman
chile,
for
keeping
that
coming
forward
everybody
council
machine
because
he's
got
family
members
over
there,
beating
him
up
on
this
and
cause
mr
o'brien,
mr
bowden,
I
see
you
stroke
in
your
bed,
I'm
sure
next
month
or
next,
two
weeks
from
now
it'll
be
something
in
your
district
on
this
one.
Some
of
that
believe
me,
this
kind
of
stuff
has
a
way
of
going
around
all
12
districts.
B
But
beyond
that
we
have
an
executive
session
for
legal
advice.
We
don't
okay.
I
just
saw
that
on
the
agenda.
A
B
All
right
beyond
that,
any
of
the
final
comments
may
entertain
the
motion
for
the
journey
so
move
properly
moved
by
acclimation.
We
stand
adjourned,
see
you
guys
tomorrow,
take
care.
Thank.