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Description
City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 5/23/2022
A
Good
afternoon
everybody,
this
is
the
afternoon
of
may
23,
2022
and
councilmember
peter
shade.
The
vice
chair
of
the
public
works
and
utilities
committee
filling
in
for
chairman
and
councilmember
keith
waring,
the
first
order
of
business.
I'm
going
to
ask
councilmember,
would
you
go
councilman
bowden
there?
You
are,
if
you
lead
us
in
a
prayer
or
an
invocation,
please,
sir.
B
Sure,
heavenly
father,
thank
you
for
bringing
us
together
today
with
the
purpose
of
serving
the
citizens
of
our
great
city.
We
ask
you
for
wisdom
as
we
make
these
weighty
decisions
and
we
thank
you
for
the
inclination
to
serve
amen.
A
Amen.
Thank
you,
sir.
You
should
have
a
copy
of
the
may
9
2022
minutes
I'll,
entertain
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second
second?
Second,
any
changes
objections.
All
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
You
always
have
it
going
down
to
temporary
encroachment.
Item
number
f,
mr
o'brien.
C
Yes,
sir
councilmember
shade,
we
just
have
some
standard
irrigation,
some
fences,
one
right
angle,
sign
and
a
couple
of
benches
in
the
right
of
way.
All
of
them
have
been
investigated
by
staff
and
we're
recommending
for
approval
and
offering
to
the
committee
for
information
only.
A
I
just
have
two
questions
just
so
closer
to
me.
One
is
the
193
king
street
is
that
by
the
bridal
shop.
C
Yes,
sir,
and
they
have
a
kind
of
a
recessed
area
right
there.
They
want
to
put
two
benches
right
up
against
the
wall
and
that's
since
we're
such
a
walking
city
as
long
as
they're,
not
as
disrupting
the
pedestrian
pathway,
that's
been
a
they're,
an
encroachment
we've
tended
to
allow
and
just
make
sure
they
don't
block
pedestrian
right.
C
A
Or
mentioned
both
of
those
anybody
have
any
questions
or
comments.
Mr
o'brien,
about
these
temporary
encroachments.
All
right
public
service
department
update
on
proposed
changes
to
trash
collection
methods.
C
A
C
Mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
matt
altop,
our
environmental
super
services
supervisor
excuse
me,
is
going
to
make
a
short
presentation.
This
is
for
information,
only
we're
constantly,
looking
as
all
y'all,
probably
aware,
due
to
heavy
volume
and
lack
of
just
personnel
to
make
some
questions.
C
We've
been
running
about
a
week
a
couple
days
behind
every
week
in
our
trash
collection,
so
matt
and
I
have
been
looking
at
ways
to
become
more
efficient
in
this
operation
and
we've
got
a
presentation
we'd
like
to
make,
and
this
this
is
just
for
information
only
at
this
time.
But
it's
something
talk
about
a
new
method
of
collection
in
most
of
the
city
which
we
would
hope
to
phase
in
through
a
capital
plan
over
the
next
few
years.
C
So
we
talked
with
amy's
people
with
our
budget
officer,
corey
and
also
andrew
jones
and
finance
to
kind
of
lay
out
a
path
forward.
But
we
really
want
to
just
kind
of
give
you
a
presentation
right
now
on
the
equipment
and
answer
any
questions
you
may
have,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
matt.
At
this
time.
A
I
think
we're
all
more
than
happy
to
see
what
kind
of
improvements
to
make
life
easy
for.
Mr
all
top
so
matt.
D
So
if
I
can
get
to
share
my
screen,
I
can
show
this
presentation.
A
D
So
we
looked
at
a
few
different
ways
to
to
convert
from
our
current
system,
which
is
now
claw
based
and
scale
based.
So
currently
we
use
six
claws
and
three
dump
trucks
per
claw
to
pick
up
the
yard,
debris
and
bulk
items
in
the
city.
We
use
a
knuckle
boom
to
pick
up
the
bulk
when
we
have
enough
employees.
D
You
know
that's
that's
four
pieces
of
equipment
per
route
that
we
just
we
just
don't
have
staff
for
at
the
moment.
Claw
parts
and
the
materials
and
items
are
extremely
difficult
to
get
at
this
time
due
to
the
a
lot
of
the
stuff
being
shipped
in
on
containers
and
things.
So
when
a
unit
is
down
it's
down
for
a
significant
part
of
time,
so
we
we
got
to
look
in
at
some
other
ways
that
we
could
possibly
cut
back
on
some
expenses.
D
You
know
and
help
with
the
employee
shortages
so
we're
looking
at
a
new
system
which
would
be
primarily
knuckle
boom
based
and
would
have
only
two
crews
that
would
run
claws
and
scouse,
which
would
be
mainly
on
the
peninsula
as
it's
a
lot
tighter
and
it
wouldn't
allow
for
a
knuckle
boom
to
run.
However,
we
could
use
the
knuckle
booms
on
upper
peninsula,
james
island
and
west
ashley,
so
current
equipment
we
have
27
pieces
of
equipment
currently
and
moving
to
the
new
system.
D
We
would
have
22
pieces,
so
we
would
reduce
the
number
of
vehicles
by
five
once
we
get
this
thing
up
and
running
here's
our
current
system,
our
current
claw
and
scale
system,
annual
estimated
annual
equipment
cost
is
about
734
000
a
year.
D
D
Current
system
we
collect
234
cubic
yards
of
debris
is
what
we
are
capable
of
collecting
right
now
by
switching
to
the
knuckle
booms
we'd
be
able
to
increase
that
by
41
000
cubic
yards
and
still
have
a
savings
attached
to
that.
Our
current
system
requires
27
people
and
that's
without
backup
drivers.
D
The
new
system
would
require
22
employees,
and
you
can
see
we
wouldn't.
We
would
not
be
laying
anybody
off.
Nobody
would
lose
their
job.
It
would
just
be
basically
closing
out
vacant
positions
that
we
would
that
are
having
trouble
hiring
for
so
it
wouldn't
be
any
layoff
scenarios
or
anything
like
that.
But
our
estimated
right
now
is
about
1.3
million
dollars
in
labor
costs,
and
that
would
estimate
it
go
down
to
about
1.1
million.
D
So
here's
our
current
clause
system,
our
total
annual
collection
cost,
is
about
2.6.
When
you
add
everything
in
and
our
estimated
total
for,
the
knuckle
boom
would
be
just
over
2
million,
and
you
can
see
the
the
total
collection
cost
per
cubic
yard
is
significantly
higher
way,
we're
doing
it
now
than
it
is.
If
we
were
to
switch
to
primary
knuckle
booms
in
the
future.
D
D
Oh
yeah,
so
that
so
that's
so
our
estimated
right
now
is
11.16
per
cubic
yard
is
what
we
have
estimated.
The
collection
cost
is
right
now
for
the
way
we're
doing
it
now.
If
we
switch
to
primary
knuckle
booms
that
would
go
down
to
7.59
per
cubic
yard.
D
So
no
so
that
is,
that
is
basically
you
take
all
the
the
cubic
yards
and
divide
that
out
by
the
cost,
and
that
gives
you
a
cost
per
yard.
So
that's
fuel
maintenance
equipment
costs,
employee,
all
that
stuff
calculated
in
there
and
then
divided
by
the
the
cubic
yard.
D
No
problem,
and
then
here
is
our
estimated
savings
from
our
proposed
new
system
to
our
curt
system,
so
we
would
save,
on
average,
estimated
about
520
000
a
year
by
switching
to
a
more
knuckle
based
type
program.
D
D
Yes,
so
there
are
some
added
benefits
with
moving
to
a
more
knuckle
boom
based
system.
Hurricane
cleanup
would
be
improved
because
there
are
multiple.
You
know:
significant
amount
of
vehicles
out
there
now
collecting
debris
instead
of
just
the
six
claws
we
have,
you
know,
we'd
have
the
18
knuckle
booms
out
there
collecting
the
idle
time
right
now.
E
D
That's
correct,
yes,
and
we
have
done
a
study
already
on
this
with
the
knuckle
booms
that
we
have
to
make
sure
that
this
was
a
viable
option
and
we
can
run
three
knuckle
booms
on
a
route
and
get
the
route
completed
in
the
same
amount
of
time
as
we're
doing
it
now,.
D
That's
correct:
this
is
just
the
routes
that
we
service
with
city
crews.
However,
we
do
send
a
knuckle
boom
over
to
daniel
island
when
our
contractor
requests
help.
D
A
D
So
our
contractors
usually
use
a
well
trident
uses
garbage
trucks
for
leaves
and
then
for
the
big
stuff.
They
have
a
knuckle
boom
that
they
come
through
with
and
collect,
and
then
capital
waste
uses
a
garbage
truck.
They'll
come
in
pick
up,
all
garbage,
go,
dump
and
then
come
back
and
pick
up
yard
waste
and
bulk.
D
They
use
two
guys
on
the
back
of
the
truck
which
opens
them
up
to
you,
know:
liability,
injuries
and
different
things.
That's
why
we
moved
away
from
that.
It's
you
know
couches
and
mattresses
being
stuck
in
the
back
of
a
garbage
truck.
Is
it's
not
ideal.
D
So,
yes,
we
are
working
with
the
the
manufacturers
of
the
knuckle
booms
to
add
a
back
door
to
the
cab.
So
if
we
don't
add
that
door
they
have
to
climb
out
of
the
truck
down
and
then
back
up
on
the
platform.
So
we've
been
working
with
the
manufacturers
to
come
up
with
a
solution
and
adding
a
back
door.
D
E
Y'all,
I
don't
know
who
went
to
the
public
works
department
when
they
had
all
the
different
pieces
of
equipment
out
there
for
inspection.
A
E
A
Mayor,
your
your
connection
was
fading
in
and
out
so
we
didn't
catch
all
of
that
comment,
but
I
think
we
got
the
gist
of
it.
You
got
the
gist
of.
A
Of
a
question
so
matt
or
tom,
is
this
something
we
gonna
put
for
the
budget
in
the
2023.
C
Yes,
sir
miss
mr,
we
we're
looking
we're
working
with
amy
and
her
staff
to
to
face
this
in
over
what
five
years
matt.
Is
that
correct.
D
A
A
The
city
is
not
uniform
and
how
it's
laid
out.
Certainly
the
the
narrow
streets
and
on
the
peninsula
provide
a
different
challenge
for
you
and
we
have
to
customize
our
collection
of
garbage
and
debris
based
upon
what
part
of
the
city
we're
servicing
and
that's
just
always
an
issue.
It's
not
a.
I
mean,
I'm
not
criticizing,
that
I
mean
that's
just
reality
and
it
sort
of
complicates
your
your
mission
a
little
bit
and
which
you
can
and
cannot
use
equipment
wise.
A
So
it's
just
something
we
just
need
to
be
mindful
of
as
we
go
through
these
these
issues,
I
you
know,
listen
as
soon
as
we
get
the
staff
online
and
bring
it
in
the
better.
I
think
all
of
us
would
feel
so,
let's
just
go.
Do
it?
Yes,
sir,
mr
mayor,
well,.
D
So
they're
in
testing,
but
nothing
has
been
set
in
stone
as
far
when
they
think
they're
going
to
be
ready
for
the
for
the
boom.
The
garbage
trucks
are,
are,
are
ready
and
are
being
distributed,
and
there
are
some
pretty
significant
savings
on
those
right
now.
So
hopefully,
by
the
time
you
know
we
get
ready
to
purchase,
those
will
still
be,
in
effect,.
A
Very
good
all
right,
any
other
questions,
comments,
suggestions,
matt,
as
always
anything
that
you
could
do
to
give
us
advanced
warning
of
a
delay
in
collection.
Just
makes
our
jobs
that
much
easier.
We
can.
I
take
the
emails
and
the
notices
that
that
are
coming
out
of
the
are
distributed.
I
I
place
them
on
facebook.
A
D
We
are
running
a
day
behind
this
week
and
I'll
get
something
out
to
you
guys
here.
By
the
end
of
the
day,
we
had
to
go
back
and
finish
some
of
thursday's
stuff.
It's
just
a
significant
amount
of
debris
being
placed
or
placed
out
for
a
collection.
A
A
Well,
you
know
light
the
speed
of
light
is
faster
than
the
speed
of
your
glasses.
I
think
you
go
give
us
an
update
and
some
information
on
the
small
project
allocation.
Yes,.
F
Okay,
I
mean
so
the
previous
the
previous
options.
We
looked
at
basically
this
setup,
which
left
us
at
roughly
1.3
million
and
just
just
over
1.3
and
1.2
for
the
next
few
years.
Obviously,
we
have
a
1
million
per
budget
year
budget
allocation
to
distribute,
so
we
went
back
and
tried
to
revise
that
plan
based
on
the
intent
of
the
committee
last
time
and
trying
to
keep
the
majority
of
the
projects
came
up
with
this
approach.
F
I
guess
this
is
in
some
ways
the
one
area
for
budgeting
purposes
that
the
delays
in
everything
from
contractors
logistics
engineers
might,
I
guess,
benefit
you
know,
keep
all
the
projects
that
we
can't
probably
get
to
all
of
them
in
this
fiscal
year,
since
we
wouldn't
be
starting
until
june,
most
likely
with
the
accounting
verbal
in
late
may,
so
we
basically
stretched
our
time
period
in
2023
into
2024.
F
Obviously,
the
downsides
of
allocating
this
way,
which
is
some
of
what
we're
running
into
this
year,
is
that
you're
basically
allocating
not
just
this
year's
money
but
future
money.
So
it's
harder
to
add
additional
projects
in
future
years,
so
this
approach
would
basically
consume
the
resources
for
this
year
next
year
and
then
part
of
the
2024
cycle
as
well.
While
we're
you
know
we're
continuing
to
work
on
projects
this
year
from
last
year
and
we'll
be
working
on
the
new
2022
projects.
In
addition
to
that,
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
F
F
A
A
F
I
mean
they
are
you're
correct.
There
are
projects
that
have
sunk
cost
already
so
generally,
those
are
projects
that
are
continued
for
allocation.
But,
of
course
that's
the
option
for
the
the
committee
and
council
and
how
they
want
to
allocate
right.
E
Yes,
sir,
mr
mayor,
so
matt,
thank
you
for
this
and
thanks
to
you
and
to
us
that
we're
keeping
all
of
these
projects
alive
and
going,
and
in
my
view,
even
though
you
do
mention
it,
it
might
reduce
the
ability
in
the
future
couple
of
years
out
to
add
new
projects.
I
mean
the
these
are
the
ones
that
have
been
around
for
a
long
time
that
we've
known
about
that.
F
No
you're
right
here.
This
is
all
the
currently
identified
projects.
We
always
do
you
know
each
year
we
do
find
new
projects
as
we
work
through
maintenance
work
and
find
something
that's
beyond
the
capacity
of
a
maintenance
crew
to
manage
right,
but
these
are
all
the
ones
that
we
currently
are
aware
of,
including
some
like
you've
mentioned,
that
are
kind
of
these
longer
term
projects.
We've
been
trying
to
find
methods
to
solve.
F
F
But
since
we
don't
allocate
normally
tell
about
the
midpoint
of
the
year,
we're
typically
currently
spending
money
from
last
year's
allocation
right.
We
will
do
basically
likely.
What
will
happen
is
we'll
spend
about
half
of
the
2022
spend
money
this
year
and
then
half
next
year
in
a
cash
flow
basis,
but
since
we're
only
allocating
a
million
dollars
a
year,
the
cash
flow
still
works
out
that
it
supports
that
project
approach.
F
E
Well,
unless
somebody's
got
the
an
objection
that
all
sounds
good
to
me,
I'd
say
godspeed:
let's,
let's
set
you
loose
and
and
and
get
going
does
this,
mr
chairman,
we
need
a
motion.
I
I
move.
We
approve
this
list,
this
funding
and
and
give
matt
the
authorization
to
move
forward
exactly.
A
I
I
agree
wholeheartedly.
Let's
I
see
at
least
two
of
projects
in
my
district
are,
are
either
in
progress
or
starting
to
be
in
progress,
so
matt.
Thank
you
for
what
we've
accomplished
there.
Any
further
discussion
comments,
all
those
in
favor,
aye,
aye
aye,
any
opposed
guys.
Have
it
all
right.
That
was
easy
and
matt.
Would
you
have
you?
I
know
I
got
a
copy
of
this
before
have
you
circulated
this
among
the
rest
of
our
council.
F
F
So,
mr
matt,
basically
I'm
bringing
a
an
update
that
includes
all
of
the
phases
of
the
project,
because
we
do
have
some
new
console
members
I'll
try
to
move
relatively
quickly
through
the
completed
portions
of
the
project
that
most
most
of
the
councilmembers
are
more
familiar
with.
But
if
there
are
any
questions
certainly
feel
free
to
interject
and
stop
me
to
fill
in
more
details.
F
This
is
just
kind
of
a
relatively
brief
update
on
where
we
stand
with
the
project
and
in
preparation
for
basically
what
we'll
be
doing
contractually
the
rest
of
the
calendar
year
with
the
project
so
again
front
covers
just
some
highlighted
photos
as
well
as
some
of
the
partners.
Who've
worked
with
us
on
the
project
from
engineering
and
construction.
F
F
Obviously
it's
a
major
point
for
the
medical
district
access.
It's
one
of
the
city's
primary
evacuation
routes.
The
road
historically
has
seen
over
63
000
vehicles
per
day
that
travel
along
it
and
that
number
has
been
increasing
every
year.
So
we'll
see
what
the
new
got
numbers
come
out
at.
Obviously,
it's
a
critical
corridor
for
the
city,
part
of
the
origin
of
the
project,
was
also
demonstration
that
there
were
more
than
250
accidents
per
year
on
the
road,
many
of
which
were
rear
endings
due
to
flooding
situations
from
sudden
stops
or
sudden
issues.
F
There's
also
some
federal
money
which
we'll
mention
that
was
originated
basically
to
try
to
reconnect
the
communities
that
were
separated
by
obviously
the
original
crosstown
portion
of
the
project,
which
I
think
we've
probably
heard
about
in
pretty
good
detail.
Some
of
the
council
members
do
a
good
job
of
bringing
that
up
and
discussing
the
the
really
negative,
like
societal
impacts
that
17
had
from
separating
different
levels
of
income
across
the
peninsula.
F
So
again
just
a
quick
overview
map.
The
yellow
is
the
impact
areas,
not
all
of
that
is
directly
served
by
the
project,
but
through
this
project
and
a
combination
of
sub-projects,
basically
the
areas
that
will
see
some
drainage
improvement
about
500
acres
again,
a
significant
portion
of
the
peninsula.
I
think
about
half
of
that
is
direct
service.
F
If
I
were
to
pull
the
exact
numbers,
five
phases
of
project,
19798
million
dollars
of
funding
the
majority
of
that
coming
from
the
state
infrastructure
bank,
we
did,
as
I
mentioned,
receive
a
federal
tiger
grant
at
the
beginning
of
the
project,
for
trying
to
re-knit
some
of
the
communities
and
have
pedestrian
access.
F
Scdots
contributed
from
the
traffic
perspective,
with
an
early
grant
in
the
project
and,
of
course,
the
city
which
is
through
the
king
street
gateway
tiff.
F
Just
a
quick
cross-sectional
view
of
what
it
looks
like
basically,
a
very
large
deep
tunnel
under
the
city
being
fed
by
the
surface
drop
shafts
that
basically
connect
into
the
existing
collection
systems
on
the
surface
streets
and
give
that
water
somewhere
to
drain
to
as
it
flows
out
and
into
the
wet
well
and
then
can
flow,
either
by
gravity
or
through
the
future
pump
station
out
into
the
river.
F
Phase
one
this
was
the
the
neighborhood
reconnection
work
basically
installed:
intelligent
transportation
systems
which
are
traffic
lights.
Basically,
that
focus
on
how
the
traffic
is
moving
in
the
area
did
a
bunch
of
surface
drainage
work
as
well
streetscaping,
I
mean
kind
of
see
the
before
and
after
pictures
to
kind
of
what
we're
used
to
seeing
nowadays
on
the
on
the
roadway
phase.
2
is
2017..
F
This
was
the
the
rest
of
the
surface
drainage.
It
was
kind
of
separated
out
into
two
sections
because
of
the
tiger
grant
that
you
have
to
kind
of
work
on
the
tiger
grant
elements
where
you
can
work
on
the
other
elements.
The
project.
This
also
included
adding
the
eight
vertical
shafts
to
go
down
to
where
the
eventual
tunnel
will
hit
phase
three.
This
was
completed
in
2020.
F
This
is
our
deep
tunnel
construction,
including
four
access,
shafts,
a
really
large
shaft
to
raise
and
lower
equipment
down
into
the
tunnels,
almost
two
miles
over
short
two
miles
of
eight
and
twelve
foot,
diameter
tunnels
with
large
tunnels,
and
then
some
a
series
of
smaller
attitudes
or
six
foot
diameter
tunnels
that
tie
into
those
large
tunnels
to
serve
different
areas,
as
well
as
the
environmental
mitigation
work
that
we
had
to
accomplish
in
order
to
basically
do
the
marsh
disturbances
necessary
for
phase
four
phase.
Four
sorry
phase:
four,
the
more
slice
this
one.
F
This
is
the
outfall
of
wet
weld
construction
that
we're
currently
working
on
between
the
the
two
bridges
to
west
ashley.
We
started
this
construction
by
2019
our
estimated
substantial
completion
still
towards
the
end
of
2022.
F
F
F
We
also
have
the
pump
station
wetwell
that
will
basically
hold
the
water
for
the
pumps
to
be
able
to
cycle
without
damaging
the
pumps.
The
conclusion
of
this
project
will
result
in
about
a
500
increase
in
the
flow
rates
from
the
pre-existing
condition
project.
That's
just
the
gravity
component
that
does
vary
a
bit
depending
on
tide,
obviously,
at
lower
tides,
you're
going
to
get
higher
flow
rates
at
higher
tides,
you'll
get
lower
flow
rates
as
the
tide
kind
of
pushes
back
against
the
water.
F
To
date,
we've
excavated
just
under
50
000
tons
of
soil
from
the
project,
which
is
what
all
the
shoring
and
support
was
for
between
the
bridges
there.
Obviously
you
don't
want
your
bridges
to
collapse,
while
you're
excavating,
a
very
large
hole
between
them,
come
back
and
install
about
36
million
pounds
of
concrete
for
perspective.
F
It's
a
it's
a
big
project
put
in
that
outfall
culvert
system
that
we
talked
about
installed
the
wet
well
in
the
head
box,
which
I
can
talk
about
what
all
those
things
are
in
more
detail
if
anyone
wants,
but
basically
the
engineered
system
to
make
the
pumps
be
able
to
work
and
again
feed
into
that
outfall.
F
We're
currently
working
on
installing
bar
screens
for
debris,
removal
putting
in
silt
removal
unit
which
will
help
with
water
quality
going
out
into
the
the
river
and
putting
together
the
discharge
piping
for
the
dewatering
pumps
that
will
go
in
once.
That's
complete,
we'll
come
back
and
install
those
actual
dewatering
pumps
put
in
the
automated
components
of
the
degree
system
put
in
our
backup
electrical
generator.
It's
not
the
backup
for
the
pumps.
F
The
pumps
are
actually
run
off
of
diesel
engines.
They
don't
have
an
electrical
backup,
and
this
is
the
backup
for
the
electrical
systems
in
the
unit.
So
everything
else
can
keep
working
and
then
the
computer
control
systems
for
the
project
come
in
in
phase
four,
just
as
a
reminder,
something's
a
little
more
exciting
than
bullet
points.
This
was
the
sort
of
existing
condition.
When
phase
four
was
getting
going.
You
can
see
the
access
shaft
for
the
tunnel
that
had
happened
in
phase
three
sitting
in
the
middle
of
the
project
site.
F
This
should
be
a
gift
that
will
hopefully
run
yeah
there.
It
goes
so
you
can
see
here
the
excavation
work
as
we
installed.
Basically,
this
excavation
support
slowly
dug
out
our
way
through
all
the
wet
well
and
outfall
came
back
installed
all
the
piles.
Here
you
can
see
the
form
work
and
the
concrete
going
in
here.
The
box
culverts
have
been
installed,
poured
in
place
now
they're
being
backfilled,
and
then
the
current
project
is
actually
removing.
F
In
this
final
picture,
the
trestle
and
the
excavation
support
and
I'll
just
keep
replaying
again,
but
who
wants
to
see
it
in
more
detail?
I
can
certainly
provide
it
to
you
or
we
can
let
it
run
through
multiple
times,
but
it's
kind
of
it
was
an
interesting
process
to
watch
again.
This
is
a
few
years
worth
of
work
occurring
in
just
a
few
minutes,
but
so
very
long.
F
Civil
engineering
project
we've
come
back
and
poured
quite
a
bit
of
concrete,
most
of
it
at
night,
due
to
the
size
of
the
pores
so
picture
just
of
the
top
slab
support.
Basically,
once
the
base
concrete's
gone
in,
what
we've
done
to
support
and
stabilize
the
top
slabs
that,
basically,
which
are
the
large
types
of
concrete
structural,
concrete
that
sit
on
top
of
the
wet
wall
and
allow
everything
to
sit
up
on
the
deck,
the
pump,
the
pump
engines
and
the
control
structure
and
eventually
the
building
again
culverts,
are
complete
completed
our
inspections.
A
F
That
the
total
depth,
all
the
way
down,
is
right
around
130
feet,
120
feet.
The
wet
well
itself
is
not
that
deep,
just
the
the
surface
down
to
the
bottom
of
the
tunnel,
the
wet!
Well,
I
have
to
double
check.
I
think
it's
40
roughly
40
feet
deep.
F
So
this
is
the
dewatering
pumps
that
are
going
in
to
be
able
to
dewater
the
tunnels.
In
addition
to
the
larger
pumps,
it
will
sit
in
the
wet
well
itself
which
don't
do
water,
the
tunnels
they
just
cycle
through
the
wet.
Well,
you
can
see
scale
wise.
You
can
see
the
gentleman
in
the
kind
of
the
box
working.
F
Yeah,
it's
a
big,
it's
a
big
construction
site,
just
a
kind
of
a
quick
before
and
after
comparison.
The
upper
left
obviously,
is
that
before
picture
we
saw
earlier,
the
right
picture
is
not
exactly
current,
but
it's
a
close
to
current
aerial
view,
showing
all
that
concrete.
That's
been
installed.
The
web
outfall
boxes
that
have
been
installed-
and
this
is
where
they're,
starting
to
basically
backfill
they've,
been
backfilling
top
of
the
culverts.
They'll
remove
the
trestle.
F
After
this
finishing
up
the
top
slab
bores
we're
rapidly
trying
to
acquire
all
of
the
cranes
and
charleston
feels
like
sometimes
as
we
have
so
many
different
tasks
going
on
on
the
project
site,
but
a
lot
getting
done,
stat,
just
as
quick
status
update
the
project.
Again,
we
started
early
2019
we've
been
running
pretty
well
contractor's,
been
doing
some
really
good
work
in
the
last
18
months,
or
so.
F
We
are
about
three
months
behind
the
original
substantial
completion
date
due
to
a
combination
of
events,
mostly
in
this
case
weather
days,
but
also
some
impacts
from
kind
of
again
thinking
all
the
way
back.
2019
the
impacts
of
coben
and
some
of
the
more
recent
logistics
challenges.
F
We're
currently
working
on
developing
some
operations
and
maintenance
plans.
So
generally
again
a
successful
project.
That's
going
well,
but
we
will
have
some
extension
contracts,
probably
to
bring
forward
to
counsel
the
next
session
phase.
Five.
You
probably
remember.
We
ordered
the
320
000
gallon
per
minute
pumps
already
from
xylem
that'll
result
in
a
thousand
percent
increase
in
flow
versus
the
500
that
we've
seen
from
the
end
of
phase
four
we've
got.
A
An
additional
increase,
mat
or.
F
No,
that's
that's
the
increase
really
above
the
original
existing
condition,
and
again
it
varies
depending
what
type
condition
you're
at
so
it's
it's.
These
are
that's
why
they're
such
round
numbers
as
it
gets
much
more
complex,
depending
on
what
you're
seeing
from
a
tide
cycle,
but
roughly.
F
F
F
A
D
C
F
From
the
original
design
were
the
original
concepts,
I
should
say,
were
a
little
over
20
years
now,
but
construction
wise,
we're
sitting
yeah
just
around
10
a
little
over
10
years.
A
A
It's
really
quite
impressive,
and
those
of
us
who
took
a
tour
several
years
ago
over
by
the
by
the
by
the
park,
was
getting
into
those
shafts
and
looking
at
all,
that
was
really
quite
impressive.
Councilmember.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
first
off
matt
whenever
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
get
back
on
site
when
it's
safe
to
do
so,
I
know
it's
tempting
to
put
a
bunch
of
municipal
elected
officials
in
130
foot,
deep
shaft,
maybe
close
the
lid
on
us,
but
I
think
it'd
be
interesting
to
to
check
it
out.
I
wasn't
on
council
when
the
other
group
got
to
go,
so
I
think
it
would
be
interesting.
B
My
question,
though,
is
how
unique
is
this
project
in
the
world
of
stormwater?
You
know
engineering
and
municipal
work.
You
know
first
in
the
southeast
and
maybe
on
the
east
coast.
I
mean.
Is
this
like
a
revolutionary
type
of
project,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
to
frame
this
in
the
context
of
the
world,
because
it
seems
from
my
vantage
point:
this
is
mighty
mighty
impressive.
A
F
Yeah,
thank
you
sherman
yeah.
I
know
it
is
it
is.
It
is
an
unusual
project.
Certainly
there.
There
are
some
similarities
to
what
you'll
see
sometimes
for
sewer
service.
In
some
areas
I
mean
cws
runs
a
very
similar
network
of
tunnels
to
provide
sanitary
sewer
services
across
the
charleston
area,
but
yeah
remember.
Sanitary
sewer
is
generally
a
much
much
smaller
volume
of
water
than
storm
water.
F
That's
kind
of
the
whole
history
of
environmental
work
in
the
united
states,
as
part
of
it,
was
trying
to
separate
out
storm
water
from
these
combined
sewers
that
a
lot
of
the
older
cities
had
because
every
time
it
rained
it
overwhelmed
the
wastewater
treatment
plants
and
ended
up
dumping,
huge
amounts
of
raw
sewage
into
the
rivers,
so
we're
basically
trying
to
manage
a
similar
amount
of
water.
You
know
to
what
was
causing
catastrophic
problems
in
wastewater
treatment
plants.
F
Previously
we
likely
don't
have
to
treat
it
to
the
same
level
that
a
wastewater
treatment
plant
would
have
to.
But
it
is
it's
a
huge
project,
huge
tunnels,
it's
very
extensive
there
are.
There
are
similar
size
tunnel
systems
that
go
in
for
whether
it's
transportation
again
or
sewer
work
nationally
and
internationally,
but
this
is
this
is
a
a
very
large
firmware
project.
B
F
And
I
should
mention,
mr
chairman,
really
quickly
too.
We
we
do
have
plans
for
a
tour
that
we're
putting
together.
It
likely
will
not
be
the
deep
tunnels
this
time
because
of
where
we
are
in
the
construction
process,
but
it
will
be
a
tour
of
the
wet
well,
the
control
systems,
the
dewatering
area,
basically
on
phase
four
and
we
it's
a
really
neat
area
to
go
in
and
kind
of.
Look
at
all
this
concrete
work,
that's
been
done.
F
All
the
civil
work
that's
been
done,
so
we'll
be
sending
that
out
with
some
invitation,
invitations
to
customers
soon,
as
well.
F
A
All
right,
any
other
comments,
questions
concerns
matt.
When
I
looked
at
one
of
those
slides
that
showed
these
streetscape,
it's
just
a
reminder
of
what
we
didn't
do
back
in
in
the
70s
when
that
project
was
being
constructed
and
across
crosstown
september,
expressway
wasn't
done
properly
at
the
very
concept
of
all
of
that.
So
it's
all
we're
doing
really
it's
just
catching
up
from
about
40
years
worth
of
neglect.
I
guess
more
than
anything
else
to
get
this
thing
working.
A
E
Matt
you.
I
know
you
mentioned
to
me
that
we
would
use
the
dewatering
pumps
when
we
reconnect
or
when
we
make
that
connection
from
the
earhart
shaft
extension
tunnel
extension
to
the
main
system,
but
just
curious
other
than
emergencies.
What
are
the
intended
times
that
you
would
de-water
the
tunnel
for
inspections
and
such.
F
Yeah,
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
primary
reasons
is
for
inspections.
You
also
use
it
to
prevent,
like
silt
from
accumulating
in
the
tunnels,
any
basic
challenges
with
debris
or
silt.
Can
you
agitate
it
and
basically
pump
that
material
up
out
of
the
deep
tunnels
to
limit
how
much
maintenance
you
need
to
do
on
those
tunnels?
F
They
are
yeah,
they
slide
down
on
guide
rails
generally
down
into
the
bottom
of
the
system.
I
see.
E
Gotcha
so
and
mr
chairman
and
ross
councilmember
pell,
I
would
just
point
out
that,
and
this
one
the
reasons
why
the
state
helped
us
out
financially,
because,
yes,
this
is
on
the
peninsula,
but
it's
about
transportation.
E
I
mean
that
the
septum
of
clark
parkway
is
such
a
vital
connection
for
really
the
whole
low
country.
If
you
think
about
it,
if
that
thing
shut,
when
that
thing
shuts
down,
you
know
it
just
causes
gridlock.
So
so
so
really
one
of
the
primary
reasons
was
to
keep
that
transportation
link
open
and
also
to
being
adjacent
to
the
hospital
district.
But
it
was
a
lot
to
do
with
transportation
when,
when
the
city
went
to
ask
the
state
tran
infrastructure
board
to
help
out
with
the
funding.
A
You
know
no
question
at
all,
mr
mayor,
that
the
one
of
the
slides
that
not
showed
us
that
flooding
that
comes
down
that
street
was
like
it
was
a
little
river
and
we
saw
the
emergency
vehicles
that
were
stranded
and
you
always
had
to
plan
your
day
if
the
storm
was
coming,
what
time
to
leave
to
get
to
your
destination?
To
avoid
that
crosstalk,
it
was
just.
It
was
a
mess,
you're
right
on
point
with
the
transportation
component
of
that
all
right.
A
Let's
move
on
to
the
last
item.
This
is
the
our
amendment.
Our
agenda
got
amended
to
add
approval
of
a
permanent
encroachment
regarding
the
ralph
johnson,
va
healthcare
system.
So,
let's
see
where's
the
rules,
I'm
gonna
call
on
the
yellow
rose
of
charleston
to
mr
chair.
G
We
need
to
have
a
we
need
to
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
amend
the
agenda
because
this
popped
up
after
the
deadline
wednesday
at
five
o'clock
last
week.
So
let's
please
start
with
that.
If
you
don't
mind.
B
A
G
Matt
fountain
is
here
who
can
speak
more
to
the
actual
logistics,
but
this
popped
up
last
week
the
the
va
hospital
is
currently
trying
to
build
their
parking
garage
or
rebuild
their
parking
garage
and
in
order
to
get
the
army
corps
permit,
they
need
to
hear
from
the
city
to
get
a
permanent
encroachment
to
put
this
garage
over
one
of
our
water
lines,
and
so
that's
why
matt's
here
to
talk
about
the
actual
like
logistics
behind
this,
mr
fountain.
F
Clarify
that
a
little
bit
from
his
ms
copeland's
description,
it
was
no,
it
was
a
good
description,
julia
but
the
basically.
The
va
is
coming
in
to
do
a
an
expansion
to
their
parking
deck
they're,
going
to
build
up,
basically
a
second
parking
deck
to
the
south
of
their
existing
parking
deck.
If
you're
familiar
with
the
facility,
if
not,
I
can
pull
up
a
map.
It's
basically.
F
Open
parking
lot
on
the
south
end
of
their
facility.
They
the
way
they
do
their
this
contract
is
they're
actually
running
through
the
army.
Corps
of
engineers
is
basically
the
project
manager
for
their
construction
work.
The
army
corps
of
engineers
wants
to
move
to
a
design,
build
procurement
to
finalize
design
on
the
project
and
look
to
start
construction
by
early
next
year,
and
a
lot
of
that
ties
into
how
the
federal
funding
timelines
work
for
the
the
va
in
order
to
move
to
releasing
that
bid
for
their
rfp.
F
The
core
basically
requires
assurances
from
the
city
that
it's
meeting
its
permit
requirements.
Interestingly,
the
federal
entities
tend
to
be
exempt
from
most
city
permanent
and
regulatory
processes,
but
there's
a
few
environmental
areas
where
they're
still
required
to
comply.
F
So
this
is
one
of
the
areas
where
they
did
want
to
get
confirmation
from
the
city
that
we
were
open
to
the
approach
trying
to
summarize
it.
Basically,
they
would
like
to
install
that
they
have
two
phases
of
project
due
to
their
again
their
federal
funding
processes,
and
we
can
get
into
that
in
far
more
detail
if
we
need
to,
but
it
gets
extensively
confusing.
F
They
then
have
a
follow-on
project
phase
to
do
infrastructure
improvements
on
their
site,
which
include
improvements
to
stormwater
for
the
site
to
help
to
meet
some
of
their
stormwater
manual
requirements
to
basically
improve
flooding
in
the
area.
Since
we,
as
we
all
know,
this
is
one
of
the
more
flood-impacted
areas
in
the
city.
F
They
also
have
this
current
stormwater
outfall
pipe
about
a
60
inch,
concrete
pipe
that
runs
through
the
center
of
that
parking
deck
in
a
city
easement
across
their
federal
property.
So
they
need
to
relocate
that
pipe
as
part
of
their
follow-on
infrastructure
and
stormwater
improvement
work.
But
what
they're
looking
for
basically
is
permission
to
leave
that
pipe
in
place
during
the
construction
component
of
their
parking
lot
project
until
they
start
the
construction
component
of
their
infrastructure
project,
which
is
the
follow-on
project
to
the
primary
project.
F
The
director
of
the
va
associate
director
has
written
us
a
letter
indicating
that
they
have
the
federal
funding
for
both
of
these
projects.
They
have
their
approval
and
they're
in
their
process
on
design.
F
F
We
should
be
somewhat
shielded
from
that
liability
and
that
the
construction
contractor
for
the
parking
deck
work
would
obviously
be
responsible
for
the
infrastructure,
preserving
the
infrastructure,
while
they're
in
construction
on
their
facility,
and
if
they,
you
know,
they
do
say
that
show
that
they
have
their
funding,
lined
up
for
that
follow-on
infrastructure
improvement
project
which
the
core
is
also
aware
of
and
is
doing
their
project
management
work,
for
which
would
then
shift
that
pipe
once
the
construction
contractor
is
basically
no
longer
liable
or
under
warranty
for
the
condition
of
the
pipe.
F
So
again
there
is.
There
is
some
liability.
There's
always
risk
with
multiple
project
phases
like
this,
but
the
va
is
is
incredibly
adamant
that
they
they
need.
This
set
up
in
order
to
be
able
to
get
their
projects
to
move
forward.
They've
they've
contacted
us
they've
had
the
army
corps,
colonel
contact
us
advocat,
advocating
for
us
to
consider
this
project
approach.
So
we
brought
it
to
committee
for
consideration
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
A
I
want
to
know
about
the
somewhat
protection
of
liability,
the
scope,
one
that
I
just
mentioned,
and
this
sounds
concerning.
A
G
You
know
there
are
things
that
we
can
put
in
this
encouragement
document
to
protect
ourselves
but,
like
I
said,
like
matt
fountain
spelled
out
to
you.
That
is
presently
where
we
are.
They
need
this.
This
is
why
we're
here
under
exigent
circumstances.
They
need
this
for
the
core
permission
to
move
forward,
I
mean
we
can
put
something
in
this
permit
to
protect
ourselves
as
best
we
can.
A
E
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
we're
supporting
our
veterans,
administration
and
the
fact
that
they
really
have
the
most
screwy
and
complicated
funding
mechanism
getting
money
from
from
uncle
sam
and
and
they
get
these
windows.
And
if,
if,
if
they
can't
move
the
project
forward,
the
way
it's
described
to
me,
then
they
lose
the
money
and
they
they
have
so
much
on
the
drawing
board.
E
More
than
on
the
drawing
board,
this
garage,
a
new
hospital
facility
facing
up
on
b
street,
a
total
rema
make
of
the
whole
property
and
honestly,
if,
if,
if
they
falter
early
in
the
in
the
game
here,
I
I
think
it
would.
It
would
be
a
negative
impact
on
them
getting
all
of
their
long-range
plans.
I
mean,
I
know
who
wants
to
trust
the
federal
government
right,
but
you
know
we
have
75
000
veterans
here.
E
They
use
the
hospital,
the
in
all
good
faith,
both
the
va
and
the
core
are
telling
us
they're
going
to
follow
through
with
the
with
the
other
drainage
improvements.
As
the
second
phase,
I
think
we
just
need
to
take
them
to
their
word.
I
I
I
feel
confident
this
is
what
they're
going
to
do
and
and
julia's
put
as
much
protection
in
there
as
she
can
for
us,
but
we
we
really
want
to
help
them
out
and
be
able
to
move
forward.
A
You
know
there's
no
question
here:
we
need
to
be
good
partners
with
with
the
va
and
but
we've
got
to
also
cross
rts
and
dot
our
eyes.
That's.
B
Little
minor
thought
I
I
hadn't
had
a
chance
to
get
into
the
weeds
on
this
one,
but
is
the
contractor
being
required
to
post
a
bond
or
something
to
that
effect
in
the
city's
favor,
so
that,
if
god
forbid,
there
is
a
problem,
we
can,
you
know,
get
relief
from
the
surety,
as
opposed
to
having
to
chase
some
contractor
around.
F
So
I'm
not
saying
it's
our
current
plan,
but
we
also
have
a
somewhat
similar
repair
requirement
if
we
ever
need
to
repair
the
drainage
pipes
that
are
installed
as
part
of
west
edge,
they're
also
required
to
be
impaired
with
trusted
trenchless
technologies,
which
again
it
significantly
increased,
cost
to
the
city.
If
it
were
to
happen,
but
it's
not
an
impossible
precedent.
I
think
it's
something
that
the
city
has
been
approving
for
a
number
of
years.
We
just
try
to
stay
away
from
it
because
of
the
increased
costs.
B
Sounds
good
sounds
like
y'all
are
on
top
of
it,
and
I
think
that
that
that
provides
a
certainly
a
layer
of
protection.
I
think
and
should,
should
there
be
a
very
serious
problem.
A
I
don't
think
we've
got
a
motion
on
the
floor
yet
I
know
we've
moved
to
amend
the
agenda,
but
I
will
now
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
item
I
one
so
move
so
second
I'll.
Second,
all
right
any
further
discussion.
E
F
A
Very
informative-
and
this
is
what
our
community
is
looking
for
us
to
take
care
of
these
issues,
all
of
them
from
trash
and
debris,
pick
up
to
a
200
million
dollar
project
to
helping
out
our
veterans.
So
we,
I
think
we
cover
a
plethora
of
topics
and
issues
today.
So,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
thank
you
all,
and
I
know
chairman
sheila
is
anxiously
ready
to
get
his
recreation
committee
meeting
going
so
well,
we'll.