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Description
City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 7/17/23
A
B
Well,
thank
you
all
very
much.
I
I'm
live
and
from
Covington
Kentucky
and
attended
church
services
yesterday
at
the
second
oldest
German
Catholic
Church
in
Kentucky,
a
beautiful
edifice
and
I
must
say
that
Charleston
considers
herself
the
holy
city
with
as
many
very
beautiful
churches,
but
the
sanctuary
would
rival
a
lot
of
the
approaches
we
we
have
in
our
holy
city.
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
a
little
footnote
to
you
so
almighty
God,
look
upon
us.
B
A
C
A
Probably
more
than
a
second
any
questions
on
that
motion.
Hearing
that
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
all
right,
I
one
is
there
and
so
I
put
it
on.
Let
me
give
me
the
pledge
of
addressing
it.
First,
we've
been
discussing
of
surge
protection
wall
around
the
peninsula
for
I,
would
say
about
two
years
now
and
when
it
comes
to
areas
off
the
peninsula,
there's.
A
A
A
A
A
The
gentleman
said:
what
do
you
mean?
What
happened
I
said?
Well,
you
got
a
hurricane
pushing
the
wind,
so
the
water
is
not
going
to
turn
around
and
go
back
out
to
sea.
He
said
well
something's
going
to
go
up
there,
but
then
Summer's
gonna
go
up
to
Ashland.
I
said
what
about
those
houses
on
the
other
side
of
the
Ashley
he
says:
well,
they'll
they'll
have
to
be
mitigated,
and
then
this
is
all
in
our
minute
and
then
I
said
well
what
form
of
mitigation
that's
going
to
take.
A
Some
of
those
questions
need
to
be
asked.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
he
went
on
to
say
that
they
were
not
charged
with
studying
that
part
of
the
city
they
were
charged
with
studying
the
peninsula
at
some
point
in
time
that
conversation
or
these
questions
needs
to
be
elevated,
to
be
more
inclusive
of
areas
that
are
also
vulnerable.
A
A
I
am
somewhat
surprised
at
the
response
when
folks
who
live,
West,
Ashley,
James,
Allen
and
John's
Allen,
just
to
have
a
an
opinion
to
be
able
to
voice
the
opinion,
the
the
response
and,
if
you
would
say
well
the
last
two
years,
how
much
of
opportunity
has
folk
Wes,
Ashley,
James,
Allen
Johnson
by
the
way
west
Ashley
is
a
peninsula.
Okay,
Ashley
River
cuts
up
on
one
side
because
the
stone
will
catch
up
on
the
other
side.
Look
at
it
from
a
map.
Above
there
is
no
engineering
and
no
science.
A
E
A
That
well,
it's
only
going
to
be
two
inches
more
of
water,
and
recently
some
person
said
it
was
one
inch
but
I've.
Seen
no
engineering
on
that
I've
seen
those
studies
on
that
and
I
think
those
people
in
those
areas
that
much
of
the
city
should
have
more
information
than
what's
being
told
I
heard
about
the.
Obviously
we
need
to
have
public
hearings.
A
A
Look
at
our
email,
It's,
a
Wonderful
letter
from
Dr
Cole,
but
in
the
letters
and
the
emails
and
articles
Wes
Ashley
is
no
mention
and
none
of
them
as
a
matter
of
fact,
Mr
Morrison
I
certainly
respect
Mr
Morris
great
comments.
Mr
Morrison,
the
paper
on
on
Sunday.
Whenever
not
one
word
about
Wes
Ashley,
not
one
word
about
James
Allen,
not
one
word
about
Johnson.
A
F
Sorry
all
I'm
I
accidentally
closed.
My
computer
got
forgot
that
we
were
on
camera,
so
the
you
raised
good
questions,
although
I
think
that
some
of
those
have
been
answered
to
some
extent,
the
the
I've
just
got
a
couple
replies
to
that.
But
all
of
those
questions
that
you
raised
are
perfectly
good
reasons
not
to
put
this
to
a
referendum,
because
we
haven't
gotten
there.
F
Yet
we
were
very
clear
in
going
through
the
referendum
process
for
the
or
leading
up
to
the
referendum
process
for
the
parks
Bond
that
that
we
wanted
to
be
as
clear
as
possible
so
that
you
know
people
didn't
have
to
do
background
research.
They
could
just
show
up
to
the
polls,
they
could
look
at
it
and
they
could
answer
the
question
here.
We
don't
actually
have
anything
to
put
in
front
of
them.
F
You
know
if
so
as
a
as
a
baseline
for
everything
I'm
about
to
say
they
elect
us
to
spend
our
time
learning
about
these
things.
You
know
talking
to
Dale
talking
to
the
core
talking
to
whoever
we
need
to
talk
to
to
get
our
questions
answered,
and
then
we
can
go
talk
to
the
public
having
spent
time
learning
about
it
ourselves
and
then,
if
we
can't
answer
their
questions,
we
can
put
them
in
touch
with
the
experts
who
can
this
is
this?
F
Is
the
opposite
of
that
we're
just
asking
sort
of
an
up
or
down
opinion
based
question
based
on
no
facts
or
understanding
of
even
what's
being
proposed,
I
mean
they
may
go
vote
based
on
something
they
saw
two
years
ago.
I
mean
we
genuinely
don't
know,
and
that's
not
a
fair
position
to
put
people
in.
That's
why
we
are
elected
to
these
positions
to
deal
with
that
exact
thing.
F
You
know
if,
if
we're
gonna
put
every
big
question
on
a
referendum,
we
gotta
ask
the
question
why
we
even
have
representative
government-
you
know
like
why?
Don't
we
just
go
to
a
direct
form
of
government
and
put
everything
on
a
referendum?
There's
there's,
you
know,
I
think
pretty
pretty
obvious
answers
to
that
question,
which
which
would
be
what.
D
F
But
if,
if
that's
true,
why
isn't
this
just
an
issue
to
come
up
in
the
mayoral
election
or
for
the
you
know,
folks
running
on
City
Council
to
explain
to
voters?
You
know
what
their
positions
are
based
on.
You
know
what
the
various
outcomes
could
be
so
I,
just
I
I,
don't
get
the
need
for
this
I.
Don't
think
this
is
the
proper
use
of
a
referendum.
F
I
I
think
referendums
should
be
few
and
far
between
to
begin
with,
and
so
when,
when
we
go
putting
them
out
on
a
on
a
question
like
this
I,
just
I,
don't
really
understand
what
it's
going
to
tell
us,
and
so
I
I,
just
I
I,
don't
think
this
is.
This
is
the
proper
time
for
it.
You
know
maybe
sometime
in
the
future,
but
even
then
you
know
I
I
knew
for
certain
when
I
was
running
last.
You
know
in
2021
that
this
was
a
question.
F
A
F
D
Well,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
you
know
I
I
appreciate
talking
about
this
topic.
It's
one
of
my
favorite
topics
as
a
matter
of
fact,
because
don't
get
me
wrong,
we
we've
got
to
get
it
right
here.
We
got
to
get
it
right,
but
to
pass
on
an
opportunity
to
protect
the
peninsula
of
Charleston
for
not
just
decades,
perhaps
centuries
to
come.
D
It's
is
too
important
for
the
future
of
our
city
to
to
take
lightly
or
to
take
lightly.
So
where
does
all
this
arise
from
the
flooding
we
saw
year
after
year,
storm
after
storm
of
the
realization
that
sea
level
is
rising?
The
current
estimates,
as
as
you
may
know,
or
by
2050,
that's
not
too
far
away
that
we
could
see
another
12
to
14
inches
Noah's,
confirming
this
by
what
they're,
seeing
year
after
year,
which
is
almost
as
much
as
we've
seen
sea
level
rise
in
the
last
century.
D
So
the
the
project
is
it's
not
two
years
it's.
You
know.
The
feasibility
study
really
started
almost
four
years
ago,
and
you
know
you
you
get
back
to
what
the
core
studies
and
and
and
they
look
at
economics.
What
is
the
cost
benefit
of
doing
a
particular
project
and,
and
the
feasibility
of
this
project
propose
protecting
the
peninsula
of
Charleston,
not
the
whole
city,
not
the
whole
Low
Country,
not
the
whole
state,
but
the
peninsula
Charleston
was
off
the
chart.
D
The
cost
benefit
ratio
was
as
high
as
I
think
almost
any
other
studied
project
of
the
core
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
something
like
eleven
dollars
saved
over
50-year
period
for
every
dollar
invested
by
the
federal
government.
So
it's
a
a
good
deal.
We
actually
got
it
to
the
point
with
the
authorization
that
occurred
before
the
last
before
the
end
of
December
last
year
that
the
City
of
Charleston
has
the
opportunity,
not
the
not
the
guarantee.
We
have
to
have
a
good
project
that
everybody
agrees,
both
the
city
and
the
core.
D
Through
the
pet
phase,
we've
got
to
have
the
the
the
right
project
that
everyone
agrees
upon,
but
we
have
the
opportunity
to
access
something
like
830
million
dollar
federal
dollars
to
help
pay
for
a
project
like
this.
So
I
remember
when
Hurricane
Matthew
came
through
and
we
started
really
drilling
down
on
future
costs
of
of
protecting
this
city
overall
and
taking
care
of
all
these
drainage
issues
that
it
would
cost
two
billion
dollars
to
fix
things.
I
think
now
some
people
say
three
billion
dollars
and
I
got
to
tell
you
councilmember
Waring.
C
D
Help,
that's
that's
why
this
whole
project
was
proposed
to
start
with.
Now,
as
you
mentioned,
and
rightfully
so.
The
question
came
up
well
well,
gee.
If
you
got
a
12
foot
perimeter
around
the
peninsula
and
it's
and
there's
so
many
gallons
of
water,
certain
volume
of
water
that
otherwise
would
have
been
flooding
the
peninsula
that
now
cannot
flood
the
peninsula.
Where
is
that
water
going
to
go
and
a
most
legitimate
question
and
it
was
studied
thoroughly
by
the
Corps
of
Engineers.
D
They
had
to
take
some
extra
months
to
to
drill
down
on
this
and
they
came
back
to
us,
as
you
I
think
you
mentioned,
but
but
there
was
engineering.
There
was
science
involved
in
that
and
they
look
carefully
at
it
and
their
estimates
were
that
they'd
be
a
one
to
two
inch
differential
with
the
surrounding
Estuary
around
the
harbor
of
Charleston.
D
You
know
that
it's
it's
it's
a
very
big
bathtub
right,
but
you
know
there
is
that
impact
from
that
volume
of
water.
That's
not
flooding
the
peninsula.
Where
would
it
Go
and
and
it
and
it
potentially
raises
the
the
level
and
the
rest
of
the
harbor
by
one
or
two
inches?
So
so
that's
that's
a
consideration
we
all
have
to
make
at
at
at
some
point
going
forward,
but
at
this
point
I
got
to
tell
you
I,
really
think
it's
premature.
D
He
goes
to
any
meeting
he's
invited
to
he's
been
to
numerous
neighborhood
groups,
in
addition
to
all
that,
as
you
all
are
aware,
we're
in
the
midst
of
a
city-wide
water
plan
and
part
of
the
reason
for
the
water
plan
that
we're
conducting
right
now
was
to
make
sure
we're
thinking
about
all
parts
of
the
city.
West
Ashley,
James,
Island,
John's
Island,
as
you
pointed
out,
and
we've
in
fact,
over
the
last
few
months,
had
public
engagement
meetings
in
every
one
of
those
parts
of
the
city,
multiple
meetings,
so
the
public
has
been
engaged.
D
D
So
we're
we're
still
getting
feedback
through
our
water
plan,
and
one
thing
I'm
going
to
bet
pretty
good
money
on
is
that
the
water
plan
is
going
to
say,
as
the
Dutch
dialogues
did
in
2018
or
whenever
it
was
a
few
years
ago
that
we
had
Dutch
dialogues,
that
if
you
look
at
the
long
term,
just
based
on
the
the
topography,
the
geography
the
sea
level
rise.
Is
that
if
you
look
50
or
100
years
out
that
the
the
logical
thing
is
to
protect
the
perimeter
of
the
peninsula,
it's
doable.
It's
a
confined
area.
D
You
get
to
vast
expanses
of
of
the
rest
of
the
city,
Cain
Hawaii
peninsula,
West,
Ashley,
James
Island
to
do
a
perimeter,
protection
weaving
around
all
those
creeks
and
marshes
up
and
down
that
the
cost
to
do
that
would
be
exponential.
Are
there
areas
that
will
be
identified
in
the
water
plan
and
and
further
research
where
berms
might
be
needed
to
mitigate
and
protect
particular
properties?
I'm
sure
that
will
be
the
case,
but
but
that's
all
part
of
the
engineering
and
design
that
needs
to
have
happen.
D
So
I
appreciate
you
bringing
up
the
issue.
I
love
talking
about
it.
It's
one
of
my
favorite
topics,
I
believe
it's
critical
to
the
future
of
our
city
that
assuming
we
get
it
right
and
design
the
thing
properly
properly,
that
we'd
be
foolish
not
to
proceed
with
the
project
such
as
this,
so
I
I
would
respectfully
asks
this
committee
to
turn
down
this
request
today.
I
just
don't
think
the
timing
is
right.
Maybe
once
we
get
a
design
we've,
we
finalize
the
numbers
on
what
it
costs.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
I'll
just
Echo.
Some
of
the
sentiments
that
have
been
expressed.
This
is
an
enormously
important
issue
for
the
future
of
the
City
of
Charleston
and
for
the
future
of
downtown,
which
I
think
we'll
all
agree
is
the
economic,
cultural,
historic
engine
of
of
the
city
and
what
makes
our
city
so
special
I
mean.
All
parts
of
our
city
are
special,
but
I
think
you
know
downtown
holds
a
unique
role
in
the
city
and
it
doesn't
get
more
complicated
than
a
project
like
this
and
I.
G
Think
trying
to
distill
a
project
and
an
effort
like
this
into
a
sentence
into
a
referendum
is
is,
is
just
not
the
right
way
to
go
but
councilman,
where
you
bring
up
a
lot
of
great
points
and
I
share
a
lot
of
them.
There's
no
support
on
city
council
for
a
blast
Shield
going
around
the
city
of
Charleston.
That
makes
it
look
like
we're
inside
the
you
know:
Baghdad
green
zone,
okay,
there's
that
that's
never
passing
here,
I'm,
not
voting
for
it.
I
know
you're
not
voting
for
it.
G
I,
don't
think
it
gets
three
votes
on
Council,
but
that's
been
out.
There
there's
also
been
a
lot
of
other
visions
of
what
this
project
could
look
like,
and
so,
if
I'm
somebody
from
the
public
who's
trying
his
best
to
follow
along
here
in
this
very
complicated
process,
I,
don't
know
what
I'm
voting
on
am
I
voting
on
this
ridiculous
proposal.
That
I
think
is
not
even
on
the
table
anymore
or
am
I
voting
on
something.
G
That's
a
lot
more
subtle,
a
lot
more
creative,
a
lot
more
resilient,
a
lot
more
consistent
with
the
Dutch
dialogues
that
factors
in
impacts,
the
West,
Ashley
and
other
types
of
places.
This
is
an
evolving
moving.
Target
I
might
have
some
of
the
details
wrong
on
this,
but
you
know
one
of
my
biggest
critiques
with
this
process
initially
was
that
it
was
asking
the
wrong
question
to
me.
Storm
surge
has
never
been
the
biggest
threat
facing
the
City
of
Charleston.
It's
been
sea
level
rise,
it's
been
infrastructure,
it's
been
rain
bombs.
G
It's
just
been
the
normal
day-to-day
kind
of
water
issue.
As
we
experience,
I
mean
if
a
category
five
shows
up
on
our
doorstep,
we're
getting
whacked
with
or
without
a
billion
and
a
half
dollars
of
anything
around
the
city.
That's
just
reality,
but
I
was
very
pleased
that
I
think
it
was
at
the
end
of
last
year.
G
What
that
actually
looks
like
I
think
once
we
get
some
more
information
on
that
and,
of
course,
take
it
to
the
public
at
every
turn,
we'll
be
in
a
better
position
as
a
city
to
make
the
right
decision,
but
this
absolutely
needs
to
be
brought
before
the
public
I
think
it
is
being
brought
before
the
public.
We
need
to
do
more
of
it
as
this
process
continues,
so
that
the
community,
whether
you
live,
downtown
west
Ashley,
James
Island,
wherever
has
a
much
clearer
understanding
of
what
we're
talking
about.
G
G
G
So
it's
a
great
issue
to
be
brought
before
the
public.
Don't
think
it
serves.
It's
not
the
best
thing
for
a
referendum.
Just
given
the
limitations
on
what
a
referendum
is
and
what
it
isn't.
You
know
typically
with
referendums.
It's
do
we
pass
this
Bond.
Do
we
adopt
this
policy?
It's
not
sort
of
you.
Don't
ask
sort
of
these
more
General
questions
along
these
lines,
which
I
think
that,
given
your
preconceived
notions
or
biases,
you
could
approach
this
sentence
in
completely
different
ways.
G
You
could
have
five
voters
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
Look
at
this
and
all
think
it's
asking
a
different
question
and
I
just
think:
that's
not
the
best
use
the
referendum
tool,
but
there
needs
to
be
robust
public
engagement.
We
need
to
have
a
smart
project
that
makes
sense
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
more
to
come
on
this
issue,
but
appreciate
you
bringing
this
forward,
and
you
know,
let's,
let's
get
to
work
on
a
project
that
makes
the
most
sense
for
Charleston.
Well,.
A
B
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
and
I.
Think
all
of
the
comments
I've
heard
from
the
mayor
and
councilmember
pale
and
councilman
Bowen
have
solidified
the
reason
we
need
to
have
this
referendum
presented
at
the
November
election
councilmember
Warren
you,
you
brought
up
the
subject
of
the
the
Jetties
that
the
Corps
of
Engineers
did
back
in
I.
B
Think
that
around
the
tour
of
the
19th
century,
late
late,
19th
century
I,
would
refer
to
something
probably
much
more
closer
to
home
that
you,
certainly
you
and
I
in
the
mayor,
would
remember
that
was
the
September
Clark
Crosstown,
proud
and
I.
Remember
the
debate
about
that.
We
were
not
you.
We
were
not
engaged
in
city
government
at
the
time
were
probably
too
young
at
that
point,
but
our
fathers
were-
and
they
were
very
much
engaged
in
the
discussion
of
that.
B
B
It
just
was
the
beginning
of
the
impact
it
had
on
the
peninsula
and,
in
addition
to
the
flooding
issues
that
we're
we're
now
addressing
with
that
we're
having
the
wrong
discussion
about
this,
we're
not
here
to
discuss
the
merits
of
it
right
now.
We're
here
to
discuss
whether
or
not
this
referendum
needs
to
be
placed
on
on
the
ballot
for
our
citizens
to
have
the
ability
to
ask
questions
that
we're
asking
right
now
what
what
is
this
storm?
Throwers
ball?
B
What
is
it
going
to
look
like
the
mayor
brought
up
that
we're
in
the
midst
of
the
city-wide
water
plant.
I.
Think
part
of
that
water
plan
is
to
ask
the
question:
how
does
this?
How
does
a
storm
surge
wall
coming
into
play
in
consideration?
This
is
a
non-binding
referendum.
It
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
do
two
things
number
one.
This
is
to
generate
the
level
of
conversation
and
debate
that
we're
having
right
now.
That's
what
we
want
I
mean
the
idea
behind
a
referendum.
B
That's
non-binding
is
to
do
exactly
what
we're
doing
here
to
talk
about
it
to
generate
conversation,
to
generate
some
some
discussion
about
where
we
are
with
that.
So
people
start
look
at
this
and
go
it's
like
putting
a
neon
sign
on
in
front
of
a
storefront.
What's
going
on
we're
flashing
you
to
start
paying
attention
to
this
issue
a
lot
more
because
I
can
tell
you
that
it
is.
It
is
not
getting
the
level
of
attention
that
we
need
to
be
having
in
our
community
and
putting
voting
against
us
right
now.
B
Is
that
you
telling
the
community
that
you're
afraid
of
the
question?
That's
that's
the
message
we're
going
to
be
sending
to
the
public
right
now
voting
against
putting
this
this
referendum
on
the
November
ballot
tells
this
community
we're
afraid
of
you,
because
part
of
our
Democratic
process
and
part
of
our
Democratic
responsibilities
is
to
ask
our
constituents.
What
do
they
think
we
don't
make
decisions
on
the
vacuum?
B
B
Looking
at
this
because
councilman
mappell,
you
said
it
very
eloquently,
one
of
the
the
huge
problem
we
have
with
flooding
right
now
is
not
the
storm
surge.
That's
not
the
issue.
The
the
issue
is
these
rain
bombs
that
we're
having
these
sunny
day,
floods.
Those
are
the
issues
and
we've
been
we've
been
tackling
those
issues.
This
is
just
another
component
that
we
we
need
to
be
addressing,
and
then
we
can't
answer
this
question
by
just
the
signing.
Is
this
a
good
business
decision
that
we
need
to
be
making
and
download?
B
So
it
just
has
something
that
transcends
just
that
business
decision
that
we
have
to
make
along
the
lines
getting
the
public
engaged
in
this
process
on
something
of
this
magnitude.
Honestly,
what
what
level
of
decision
are
we
going
to
be?
Having
that's
going
to
have
such
a
huge
impact
on
this
community
Beyond?
This
we've?
We
voted
on
some
really
big
things
in
in
the
six
plus
seven
years,
I've
been
on
on
on
Council,
and
we
can
rattle
them
off,
but
none
of
those
issues
are
pale
in
comparison
to
this
particular
issue.
B
This
is
a
this
is
the
why
referendums
were
designed.
Reverends
were
designed
to
give
us
a
binding
opportunity
to
do
something
to
pass
like
we
did
with
the
affordable
housing
Bond.
We
did
I.
Think
one
of
the
very
first
things
I
voted
on
a
referendum
was
a
20
million
20
million
dollar
Bond
referendum.
B
We
didn't
have
to
do
that,
but
we
did
because
it
was
addressing
a
critical
need
issue
dealing
with
the
city,
but
look
at
that.
Look
at
that
particular
issue
and
compare
that
to
what
we're
addressing
here,
if
you're
going
to
put
a
referendum
on
Recreation
on
the
on
the
ballot
on
referendum
on
the
ballot
on
affordable
housing
on
a
ballot,
how
does
those
two
issues
pale
in
comparison
to
this
particular
issue?
B
That's
sort
of
the
question
you
need
to
ask
your
sales
about.
Well,
if
you
vote
against
this
thing
being
on
the
on
the
ballot
you
sending
the
message
to
the
community,
I
don't
want
to
hear
from
you,
I,
don't
think
it's
important
enough!
I,
don't
think
it's
significant
enough
to
get
some
kind
of
public
input
as
to
where
we
need
to
be
heading
with
with
this
thing,
let's
put
it
to
this.
This
non-binding.
B
All
this
is
going
to
do
is
give
us
an
idea
of
take
the
community's
temperature
of
where
they
want
us
to
head
with
this
thing
and
help
us
direct
our
further
discussions
with
it.
So
I
would
I
would
urge
all
let's
pass
this
get
in
front
of
the
full
Council
for
the
have
this
kind
of
discussion
on
Council
on
Tuesday
and
and
bring
it
forward,
and
one.
B
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
did
want
to
remind
everyone
that
a
couple
of
years
ago
we
had
an
all
hazards,
vulnerability,
analysis
done,
and,
and
that
meant
that
we
looked
at
everything
out
there.
That
could
possibly
happen
to
the
City
of
Charleston
and
earthquakes
spills,
storms,
every
kind
of
foreseeable
dam
broke
up
in
in
Berkeley
County.
D
They
looked
at
the
different
hazards
that
are
out
there.
The
the
highest
risk
the
City
of
Charleston
has
is,
is
from
storm
surge,
doesn't
mean
that's
the
only
thing
we'd
need
to
address,
but
it
is
the
highest
risk.
So
so,
once
again,
I
got
to
tell
you
that
I'm
the
pass
up
an
opportunity
to
to
thoroughly
vet
a
project
that
could
substantially
protect
us
from
that
risk
would
be
a
Fool's
errand.
D
D
We've
been
negotiating
that
with
them
and
honestly
we
we
have
the
opportunity,
when
that
comes
forward
to
y'all,
to
us
that,
if
we're
not
satisfied
even
with
the
design
agreement,
we'd
have
the
opportunity
to
to
not
move
forward,
and
if
we
don't
have
the
city,
when
I
say
we,
the
city
doesn't
have
the
flexibility
with
design
and
Engineering
to
to
get
the
kind
of
project
that
Charleston
deserves
and
needs.
I
won't
be
voting
for
it
either
and
to
to
put
this
opportunity
so
to
speak
at
risk
with
a
simple.
D
D
It
has
to
make
a
project
that
is
multi-functional
and
looks
good.
It's
you
know
we're
Charleston.
It's
got
to
be
beautiful,
so
my
my
best
example
is
the
low
the
work
we're
doing
at
the
low
battery
sea
wall.
I
haven't
heard
a
single
complaint
about
it.
It
does
its
job
by
raising
the
low
battery
and
reinforcing
it
and
allow
it
to
go
even
higher
later
on,
but
it's
beautiful,
it's
an
Esplanade
I
was
out
there.
Yesterday,
people,
even
the
hot
weather,
were
fishing
out
on
low
battery.
D
They
were
walking
jogging,
it's
it's
just
an
amazing
public
resource
and
to
have
an
extension,
basically
an
extension
of
that
to
to
offer
Waterfront
access
around
the
peninsula
to
our
citizens
and
the
multi-purpose
of
recreation
and
Beauty
I
I,
just
don't
know
like
I
said.
If
we
can
get
it
right,
if
we
can
do
all
those
things,
I
think
it'd
be
foolish
not
to
take
advantage
of
this
opportunity.
D
Tell
us
just
like
the
sea
level
is
going
to
rise,
that
those
extreme
storms
are
going
to
increase
and
frequency,
and
so
the
the
final
product
of
design
agreement
even
has
to
give
the
city
the
flexibility
to
make
sure
that
we
address
not
just
surge
but
title
fluctuations.
You
know
when
we
get
an
eight
foot
tide
which
happens
numerous
times
a
year.
Now
we're
closing
streets,
it's
flooding,
Broad
and
Lockwood
Street,
it's
flooding
in
other
parts
of
the
city
as
well,
and
those
need
to
be
addressed
as
well.
D
That's
what
the
comprehensive
water
plan
is
about.
Tide
sea
level
rise
as
I
mentioned,
we're
looking
at
another
foot,
14
inches
in
the
next
24
years
alone:
25
years
rainfall,
so,
as
you
know,
the
core,
just
on
a
conceptual
basis,
has
has
recommended
up
to
10
pumps
around
the
perimeter
of
the
system.
So
when
you
you
have
a
containment,
you
got
to
make
sure
that
water
can
get
out.
Well,
we've
got
places
where
we
need
pumps.
D
Now
we
just
ordered
three
big
pumps
to
go
on
the
tunnel
system
up
between
the
two
Bridges.
We
need
a
pump
to
help
with
Calhoun
West
area
to
be
able
to
get
water
out
of
the
city
and
when
you
get
a
perimeter
protection
you're
going
to
need
those
pumps
even
more
so
the
design
agreement
has
to
include
the
flexibility
for
the
city
to
address
the
multiple
flood
risks
that
we
know
exists.
It
has
to
be
a
thing
of
beauty,
it
has
to
be
multifunctional
and,
in
my
view,
a
councilmember
Warren
with
all
due
respect.
D
A
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
First
of
all,
can
everybody
just
stop
and
knock
on
wood
about
all
this
talk?
That
surge
is
not
our
biggest
issue.
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
invite
that
possibility
that
in
a
few
months
that
it
will
be,
you
know
in
in
this
whole
conversation
led
to
a
example.
In
my
mind,
that's
will
stick
with
me
for
the
rest
of
my
life.
I
can
guarantee
that
if
in
September
of
2015
I
lived
in
Colombia
in
2015,
I
was
finishing
up.
F
Okay,
that's
that's!
How
serious
this
was?
If
you
had
asked
me
to
vote
on
a
referendum
in
September
of
2015,
to
ask
you
know:
should
we
require
the
government
to
protect
these
Earthen
dams
or
should
the
government
should
we
ask
our
government
to
require
the
HOAs
to
shore
up
these
Earth
and
dams?
I
would
have
said
I'm
not
voting
on
that
I.
Don't
have
a
clue.
F
What
y'all
are
talking
about,
if
you
would
ask
me
in
November
of
2015
I,
would
have
wholeheartedly
voted
for
that,
because
I
would
have
known
exactly
what
I
was
voting
on
I
I,
you
know,
I
hesitate
to
be
this
alarmist
about
it,
because
I
agree
with
some
of
what's
been
said
here,
we're
in
September
of
2015..
We
don't
we
don't
know
what
we
don't
know
and
that's,
and
and
so
to
put
it
out
to
a
referendum.
Now
is
you
know
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse?
I
think
is,
is
mild.
F
F
F
The
parks
referendum,
nobody,
nobody
said,
let's
put
out
a
referendum
on
doing
a
master
plan,
for
what
parks
need
in
this
city
we're
talking
about
a
referendum
on
paying
for
it
and
councilmember
Waring
I
agree
with
you.
I
would
vote
just
to
just
to
go
forward
and
with
the
with
the
bond
and
get
the
money
we
need
for
our
Parks
I
think
our
citizens
are
fully
behind
it.
I've
talked
to
hundreds
of
people
about
this
and
and
I
fully
agree
with
you
I,
don't
think
it
belongs
on
on
a
ballot.
F
I
think
it's
our
job
to
vote
for
it.
You
know
we're
not
at
the
point
of
asking
for
the
money
yet
we're
at
the
point
of
doing
the
master
plan
and-
and
nobody
would
have
suggested,
putting
that
on
a
ballot.
Nobody
would
have
suggested
the
planning
for
Sumo
Street
be
on
a
ballot.
Nobody
would
have
suggested
back
in
the
day
the
the
planning
for
Charleston
Place
be
on
a
ballot
it
it's
it's
just
not
the
right
time
in
the
process.
F
G
I'll
just
be
real
brief,
real
brief,
I
I
would
just
say,
councilman
wearing
you
make
a
lot
of
good
points,
councilman
shade.
You
made
a
lot
of
good
points
as
well
about
public
engagement.
Public
needs
to
be
engaged
on
this
issue,
but
I'm
just
I'm
a
lawyer
I
like
to
look
at
the
text
and
the
wording
here
when
you
have
the
phrase
a
surge
protection
wall,
I
guarantee
you
I'm
thinking
of
something
different
in
my
mind
than
you
are
when
you,
when
you
read
that
and
I
think
we
might.
G
We
both
might
be
reasonable
in
thinking
that
it's
just
it's
just
too
confusing
as
presented
if
something
were
to
be
put
to
the
public
and
I'm
not
suggesting
that
it
should
I.
Think
I
think
we
need
to
let
the
process
continue
to
play
out.
The
specific
way
to
tee
this
up
would
be
to
say
something
along
the
lines
of
should
the
City
of
Charleston
continue
to
remain
on
the
process
that
we're
with
with
the
federal
government.
You
know
the
PED
process.
G
Essentially,
do
we
want
to
even
be
continuing
to
talk
to
the
federal
government
about
this
program
at
all
and,
and
you
can
see
how
that
radically
alters
kind
of
the
trajectory
of
this,
but
last
thing
I'll
say
nobody's
in
support
of
a
huge
wall
around
the
city
it
doesn't
have
and
it
will
never
have
seven
votes.
I.
Think
everybody
understands
that.
So
if
that
is
what's
being
teed
up
here,
we
already
have
our
answer.
A
A
D
E
H
Yeah
good
morning
or
good
afternoon,
I
guess
it's
been
a
long
day.
Everything
is
running
on
time
for
this
week
and
last
week.
Garbage
and
trash
continue
to
get
everything
done
on
time
and
we
are
a
lot
better
off
than
we
were
this
time.
Last
year
we
have
the
same
number
of
Crews,
but
they've
been.
You
know
here
for
a
little
bit
longer
and
now
we're
able
to
get
the
routes
done
daily.
H
A
D
A
I
Yeah,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
the
the
first
item
is
for
recommendation
from
the
committee
to
council
for
the
Barbary
Woods
drainage
Improvement
project
to
accept
the
score
asip
Grant
agreement,
which
is
the
4.6
million
dollar
Grant
from
the
South
Carolina
office
of
resiliency.
This
is
their
distribution
of
arpa
funding
of
about
the
50
or
60
million
dollars
of
Arco
funding.
They
had
a
much
smaller
pot,
but
directed
specifically
towards
green
infrastructure
and
resiliency
projects.
I
F
A
A
E
A
The
longest
time
it
take
to
accept
three
million
dollars,
I've
seen
but
anyway,
probably
moved
by
councilman,
Bowden
and
I.
Think
seconded
by
the
mayor.
Is
that
correct
all
right?
Any
discussion
on
that
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
impulse.
Thank
you
item.
H3!
Don't
want
to
test
order,
indefinite
delivery
contracts.
I
Thank
you
for
Sherman,
so
this
one
is
an
update
to
the
two,
the
IDC
or
indefinite
delivery
contracts
that
we
have
for
Brick,
Arch,
repair
work.
We
have
one
with
Palmetto
Gunite
and
one
with
BNC
that
we've
been
working
through
with
like
the
Limehouse
pilot
project
as
well
as
any
other
smaller
repairs.
You
need,
as
they
come
up
on
the
brick
arches.
These
were
previously
capped
at
a
a
total
allowable
amount
per
year
of
500
000
per
year.
I
D
D
I
I
just
want
to
point
out
on
both
of
those
projects
number
two
and
three
the
pump
station
and
now,
with
our
request
to
the
federal
government
for
five
million
dollars
to
continue
our
brick
Arch
repair
and
Rehabilitation.
Both
of
those
projects
involve
the
U.S
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
and
so
so,
not
just
the
the
proposed
perimeter
protection
that
we
were
talking
about,
but
they
are
partnering
with
us
literally.
Every
way
they
can
to
help
provide
us
support,
funding
and
expertise
to
protect
Charleston,
so
I
just
value
their
relationship.
A
Okay,
didn't
agreement?
Did
we
vote
on
that
matter?
We
did
okay,
H5
discussion
of
stormwater
utility
accounts
and
billing
management
requested
by
that's
been
wearing
everybody
on
this
Council
now
knows
that
we've
had
a
stormwater
fee
in
place
actually
about
20
years
in
their
considerable
amount
of
citizens
that
every
month
they
subtract,
they
subtract
off
their
bill.
The
stormwater
fee
and
pay
the
difference
to
Charleston
Water
System,
Charleston,
Water
Systems
doesn't
have
the
the
legal
capability
of
saying.
Listen.
D
A
A
A
A
Years,
send
them
the
collections,
but
for
many
of
those
people
who
do
not
pay
their
stormwater
fee
when
they,
when
they
need
a
ditch
clean
or
they
need
a
drainage,
backed
out
close
to
their
area,
they
call
and
they
want
those
services
rendered.
It's
just
just
wrong
to
deliver
services
that
we
know
are
not
being
paid
for
so.
I
Yeah,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
I
did
want
to
update
the
committee
as
well
as
we've
talked
to
you
about
Mr
chairman
that
we
did
do
a
request
for
qualifications
for
firms
that
were
capable
of
providing
an
updated
accounts
management
system
to
the
city.
That
would
give
us
the
option
to
be
able
to
Bill
through
whether
it's
through
CWS
or
through
tax
offices
or
through
another
approach.
I
We've
received
those
statements,
qualifications
from
the
interested
firms,
we've
are
in
the
process
of
putting
together
our
selection
committee
and
are
actually
talking
about
having
a
selection
committee
meet
pending.
Potentially
your
availability
with
Sherman
at
the
end
of
next
week.
So
there
is,
there
is
substantial
progress
being
made
on
the
process
and
that
will
allow
us
to
again
create
that
basically
account
management
software
system
to
be
able
to
have
more
flexibility
in
how
we
do
our
account
billing
and
be
able
to
improve
our
collection
efficiency.
As
you,
as
you
mentioned,.
A
A
A
G
G
I
just
fully
support
this
I
think
if
we're
going
to
adopt
a
fee,
everybody's
got
to
participate,
it's
not
fair
to
the
people
that
are
tripping
in
and
there's
ways
to
solve
this
problem.
This
ain't
Reinventing
the
wheel.
It's
a
lot
easier
than
solving
some
of
the
other
issues
we've
talked
about
today.
So
this
is
one
I
think
where
we're
all
on
the
same
page
and
I
think
we
can
move
forward
and
a
responsible
legal,
Manner
and
I'm
happy
to
see
progress
on
this
all.