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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 1/24/2021
A
A
Let's
see,
we
got
everybody
on,
let's
call
a
meeting
the
order
and
we've
got
councilman
seekings
online.
I'm
gonna
give
him
the
privilege
of
saying
an
invocation
today.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
having
me.
Let
us
pray
heavenly
father
as
we
move
through
the
early
days
of
this
new
year.
Please
think
of
those
who
are
most
in
need
of
your
help.
Guidance
and
infinite
wisdom
be
the
benefactor
of
our
bounty
and
let
us
all
move
forward
together
for
the
betterment
of
all
around
us
and
for
those
of
us
in
the
positions
that
we're
in.
Let
us
move
forward
in
the
wisdom
you
provide
for
us
to
do
what
is
right.
A
You
councilman
speaker,
we
don't
have
any
minutes
to
be
approved
at
this
meeting.
We
go
down
to
acceptance
and
dedication
right
away,
mr
brian
anything
that
stands
out.
That
needs
to
be
called
attention
to
no.
B
Mr
chairman,
this
is
just
this
is
a
project
on
maybach
highway
on
the
intersection
of
maybank
and
produce
lane,
and
it's
a
city
failing
we're
going
to
take
as
we've
done
before,
take
over
maintenance
responsibility
for
that
sidewalk
and
the
scdot
right
away
and
we've
worked
through
and
recommend.
We
move
for
approval
on
that.
A
Lose
all
right:
we
got
a
motion
out
of
the
councilman.
We
have
a
second
of
that
motion
I'll.
Second,
thank
you,
mr
man,.
A
The
chairman
prerogative,
when
it
comes
to
the
city
taking
over
these
rights
away
without
revenue
from
the
state,
it
is
a
issue
in
councilman
peter
shades,
craw,
which
he
doesn't
share
that
by
himself,
but
sometimes
to
move
the
project
along.
As
you
know,
we
need
to
accept
that
responsibility,
but
it's
it's
not
good
to
be
able
to
set
responsibility
for
rights
away
and
the
state
gets
the
gas
tax
and
keeps
the
money
I
get
it
all
right.
B
I
may
add
from
mr
seeking's
knowledge
also
that
what
happens
a
lot
of
times
is
our
technical
review
committee
on
state
roads
on
city
properties.
We
want
specialty
finishes
and
things
of
that
nature
and
we're
requiring
and
d.o.t
will
not
accept
those,
and
that
happens
sometimes
also
I
get
it.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
A
A
C
A
Any
opposed,
thank
you.
Let
me
go
back
and
I
I
was
remiss
to
not
recognizing
our
new
city,
councilman,
stephen
bowden,
being
on
the
committee.
Welcome.
A
Every
time
it
comes
around,
let
him
have
it
now.
He
won
and
the
other
temporary
improvements.
Mr
o'brien.
B
There's
nothing
really
out
of
the
ordinary
we've
got
some
fences,
some
irrigation
and,
I
will
just
say,
346
east
space
street.
It
says
non-standard
pipe.
What
that
is,
is
they're
putting
a
dual
pipe.
We've
worked
with
kenzie
holt
with
our
stormwater
division.
Due
to,
as
we
all
know,
the
tightness
of
our
right-of-ways
downtown,
especially
we're
allowing
them.
There's
conflicts
with
some
existing
cws
utilities
to
allow
them
for
their
drainage
pipes
to
go
in
there.
B
A
All
right,
good
and
for
the
benefit
of
newcomers
we
tend
to
have
these
temporary
encroachments
all
virtually
at
almost
every
meeting.
Most
of
them
are
standard,
but
every
now
and
then
there's
one
that
stands
out.
That
should
involve
additional
conversation
and
discussion
public
service
update.
We
don't
have
that
each
one,
mr
fountain
king
street
drainage
project.
D
D
A
D
B
D
D
There's
a
connector
street
between
those
two
that
it
drains
as
well,
that
that
was
built
as
a
replacement
pump
station
for
an
old
musc
pump
station
by
musc
in
the
2010
ish
era,
and
then
the
city
basically
took
over
maintenance
in
operation
of
it
after
musc
constructed
it.
So
that's
one
we'll
be
actually
looking
at
doing
some
early
upfit
design
work
on
this
year
as
well,
but,
yes,
that
we
have
that
smaller
pump
station
what
we
would
call
kind
of
a
midsize
pump
station
at
concord
in
front
of
the
iam.
D
D
B
We've
relied
entirely
on
gravity
and
slope
and
ditches
and
pipes
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
you
know.
B
And
we're
as
flat
as
we
are
there's
only
so
much
gravity
can
do
so.
I
just
think
it's
worth
you
know
taking
a
minute
to
just
reflect
on
the
fact
that
we're
you
know
with
the
pumps
I
mean
we're
we're
changing
the
approach
in
a
fundamental
way
and
it's
just
another
example
of
how
we're
getting
serious
about
moving
water
around
in
the
city.
So,
thanks
to
everyone
involved.
A
I
couldn't
agree
more
as
a
matter
of
fact,
the
last
meeting
touched
on
the
significance
of
the
pumps
at
spring
fishburn
project
there.
What
was
it?
A
million
or
two
million
gallons,
the
million
gallons
per.
A
Don't
be
major,
no
doubt,
okay,
we
need
to
carry
that
motion.
Oh
mr
mayor.
C
I
did
mr
chairman,
I
did
want
to
thank
our
partner
in
so
many
things:
the
charleston
housing
authority,
who
is
allowing
us
to
put
this
pump
station
on
their
property.
So,
let's
not
forget
our
friends,
they
they
really
came
through
for
us
to
to
allow
us
to
put
this
pump
station
there.
Are
you
right
about.
A
That
newly
noted
councilman
sinking
just.
B
Very
briefly,
mr
chairman
matt,
I
I'm
sure
I
know
the
answer
to
this
question,
but
just
so
I
can
satisfy
myself.
I'm
right.
I
take
it
if
we
are
successful
in
this
grant
and
we
get
this
pump
station
built,
that
there
will
be
backup
generator
capabilities
there,
that
will
have
redundancy
and
our
power
to
the
system.
D
D
This
for
this
location,
it's
a
good
idea,
because
king
street
kind
of
highway,
52
and
ug
street
both
work
during
emergency
events
as
very
important
corridors.
That's
part
of
the
reason
this
project
keeps
coming
up
as
a
priority
project.
Is
it
not
only
does
it
help
serve
the
affordable
housing
complex
and
the
businesses
in
the
area,
but
the
importance
of
that
intersection
for
traffic
flow
during
emergencies
is
very
high.
Great.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
john's
allen,
resiliency
plan,
mr
fountain.
D
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
this
is
a
just
a
presentation
of
the
the
full
official
plan
document
that
I
included
in
the
agenda
package.
Mr
brown
included
forest
agenda
package.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
entire,
very
lengthy,
thorough
report
that
wk
takes
about
habitats
and
finders
from
environmental
equality
put
together,
but
I'm
going
to
do
just
a
quick
powerpoint
overview
to
touch
on
some
of
the
highlights
and
show
some
of
the
recommendations
that
they
had.
D
D
I
have
two
powerpoints
open
simultaneously,
so
sometimes
this
gets
exciting
for
sure.
So
again,
this
is
our
brief
overview
of
this
project.
This
was
a
another
one
of
the
national
fish
and
wildlife
foundation
grants
that
we
got.
This
was
the
the
planning
stage
grant
where
you're
basically
looking
at
what
are
your
options
for
work
in
an
area
rather
than
the
church
creek
grant,
which
is
more
of
an
implementation
and
planning
grant
to
see
us
through
like
an
actual
construction
level
project?
D
We
took
this
opportunity
worked
with
the
water
institute
of
the
gulf
dale
morris's
team
at
the
time
when
he
was
still
at
the
watershed
of
the
gulf
to
take
this
grant
to
expand
on
the
dutch
dialogues,
work
on
john's
island
to
evaluate
basically
nature-based
flood
resiliency
projects,
both
through
restoration
preservation
projects
which
we'll
talk
about
in
a
second,
but
also
look
at
some
policy
or
regulatory
actions.
We
could
take
for
that
same
effect
for
a
similar
effect.
D
So
this
was
one
of
these
major
team
efforts.
It's
the
more
of
a
again
a
planning
style
project
than
it
is
a
construction
design
permitting
style
project.
So
the
the
design
team
was
led
by
w.k
dixon,
but
we
also
brought
in
bio
habitats
for
the
ecological
engineering
experience
planners
for
environmental
quality,
which
is
a
minority-owned
company
out
of
atlanta.
That
does
a
lot
of
work,
kind
of
helping
bring
the
community
into
your
engineering
design
process
and
then
the
water
into
the
gulf
from
their
history.
D
With
the
dutch
dialogues
in
this
area,
we
worked
with
them
to
put
together
a
technical
advisory
group,
and
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
read
every
one
of
the
members.
That's
on
the
bottom
left
there,
but
we
basically
formed
a
team
representing
a
number
of
different
stakeholders
across
the
area
and
the
island,
and
I
will
point
out
that
we
did
include
environmental
groups.
Some
of
the
local
outreach
groups,
county
government,
state
state,
scdot,
home
builders.
We
tried
to
kind
of
make
it
a
very
diverse
group.
D
We
also
brought
in
airs
property
representatives,
because
that's
such
a
challenge
on
johns
island,
we're
doing
kind
of
large
scale,
project
work
and
then
having
just
a
quick
rundown
of
the
bullets
of
we
had
a
number
of
public
meetings
and
outreach
meetings
and
tag
meetings
associated
with
this,
and
we
built
upon
the
work
that
the
water
institute
had
also
been
on
the
same
team
to
help
with
the
comp
plan
rewrite
and
the
water
plan
work
that
they
did.
D
All
these
different
pieces
of
city,
knowledge
together
and
outreach
efforts
together
to
try
to
make
it
as
comprehensive
as
we
could
so
basically
went
through
some
of
the
lot
of
data
that
we
had
primarily
we're.
Looking
at
hydrology
models
of
johns
allen
to
see
where
we
had
flooding,
but
also
doing
a
lot
of
gis
analysis
to
see
where
were
there
opportunities
to
address
that
flooding
came
up
with
some
ideas,
which
was
the
developing
solutions
and
then
kind
of
put
it
through
this.
D
This
filter
with
these
these
stakeholders
and
a
lot
of
other
again
outreach
groups
that
we
had
to
look
at
well.
What
other
impacts
beyond
just
pure
engineering
would
there
be
on
these
potential
projects
and
then
try
to
prioritize
out
a
few
projects
that
seem
like
the
most
likely
opportunities
for
improvement
on
john
crowling
preservation
and
johns
island?
D
Basically,
the
the
orange
and
yellow
and
red
show
where
you
see,
structure
or
road
level
flooding,
and
then
the
different
blue
colors
show
of
the
major
drainage
waves
during
a
25
year
storm
event,
then
the
bottom
right
was
looking
at
the
land
parcels
that
were
available
to
see
through
a
combination
of
basically
what
was
currently
existing
land
use-wise
on
the
parcel,
what
it
was
zoned
for
and
what
the
conditions
from
a
stormwater
perspective
of
the
parcel
war
and
soils
perspective
which
projects
which
parcels
were
likely
targets
for
projects
for
either
restoration
or
preservation
for
again
for
nature-based
solutions.
D
It's
interesting
that
the
the
major
waterways
out
here
one
of
them
is,
is
the
penny's
creek
tributary,
but
the
other
one
is
also
called
church
creek,
which
leads
to
some
easy
confusion.
But
this
is
the
johns
island
church
creek
rather
than
the
west
ashley
church
creek,
but
in
each
of
these
basins
the
penny's
creek
basin.
This
is
this
is
where
barbary
woods
is
located.
So
it's
not
a
big
surprise
that
this
came
up
as
one
of
our
our
target
areas.
D
D
We
did
show
that
the
the
project
that
we've
been
also
developing
in
barbary
woods
looks
like
one
of
the
most
likely
restoration
style
projects
shown
in
yellow
there
again,
where
we've
been
looking
at
relocating
a
stream
and
building
in
flood
benching
and
wetlands
to
try
to
store
much
of
the
flood
water.
D
Look
at
the
church,
creek
headwater
project.
This
is,
if
you're
familiar
with
kind
of
where
berry
hill,
road
and
walter
drive
connect
down
from
kind
of
the
maybank
corridor
down
back
into
the
the
primary
southbound
route
there
camera.
I
think
it
ties
in
in
bohek
it
as
you
come
south.
D
This
is
looking
at
more
of
a
preservation
style
project
that
there's
this
large
undeveloped,
mostly
wetland
area
on
the
sort
of
the
north.
You
can
see
it
in
the
blue
arrows
on
the
right
picture,
sort
of
the
northeast
side
of
the
project
area.
They're
saying
there's
really
some
potential
in
that
forested
wetland
to
enhance
the
wetlands,
make
sure
we're
preserving
that
and
avoid
future
downstream
flooding,
which
is
what's
already
starting
to
develop
along
walter
drive,
especially
some
structural
flooding.
As
you
go
down
that
road.
B
Yes,
in
some
of
this
area
right
there,
I
was
somewhat
familiar
with
the
historical.
The
development
of
it
was
a
lot
of.
Wasn't
there
a
lot
of
this
land?
If
you
know
this
dug
out
and
the
dirt
used
for
highway
projects,
are
you
familiar
with
that.
D
D
Early
farming
early,
con
tomato
farming,
turf
was
was
going
on
john's
eye.
There's
a
lot
of
this
in
the
report
where
they
kind
of
go
through
the
history,
the
hydraulic
history,
so
the
the
island
used
to
be
much
wetter
than
it
is
now.
They
came
in
and
basically
put
in
a
lot
of
drainage
to
be
able
to
farm
or
timber
the
island.
D
D
This
is
the
the
the
city
baseball
field
here
that
there's
kind
of
some
heavy
flooding
along
planet
field
planners
road,
that's
over
topped
and
blown
out
during
a
couple
of
the
hurricane
events
and
it
kind
of
spills
back
and
comes
into
the
the
baseball
field
complex
during
heavy
rainstorms.
D
So
this
is
this
is
sort
of
a
combination,
preservation,
slash
improvement
project.
It's
a
mix
of
the
other
two
we're
we're
looking
at.
How
do
you
preserve
some
of
the
ability
for
this
area
to
hold
water
but
then
improve
the
conveyance
of
the
water
coming
out
the
bottom
part
again,
where
there's
been
some
improvement,
it
just
needs
to
be
kind
of
enhanced
beyond
where
it
is
today,
most
likely.
D
The
other
thing
that
was
presented
in
addition
to
these
these
three
somewhat
more
traditional,
though
nature-based
projects
was
looking
at
more
of
a
regulatory
policy
approach.
D
The
the
methodology
that
had
the
most
traction
with
the
group
and
again
we
had
a
wide
variety
of
stakeholders
in
the
group-
was
looking
at
taking
the
again
these
really
major
drainage
ways,
not
all
necessarily
all
of
the
individual
farm
ditches,
because
some
of
them
have
more
impact
than
others,
but
the
the
major
drainage
ways
that
drain
more
than
100
acres
of
land
and
putting
riparian
buffers
or
stream
buffers
onto
them,
basically
through
a
combination
of
practice
and
and
the
the
reason
I
think
this
was
generally
supported
by-
is
that
it
puts
a
and
these
widths
are,
are
variable.
D
This
is
one
other
thing.
This
is
one
of
the
examples
we
had,
but
you
can
go
down
as
low
as
50
feet
on
either
side
and
get
it
still
get
a
major
improvement,
but
basically
on
the
the
inner
buffer.
You
look
at
no
disturbance,
no
major
line
disturbance.
You
can
do
a
crossing.
You
can
do
some
things
that
are
modeled
and
designed,
but
there's
you
can't
build
within
those
areas.
Those
are
basically
floodways
for
that
drainage
system,
but
then
outside
the
inner
buffer
and
again
these
could
be
25.
Instead
of
50
feet.
D
They
can
be
different
sizes
depending
what
we
want
to
go
with
in
the
outer
areas.
You
can't
build,
you
can't
put
in
fill
and
you
can't
put
in
like
structures,
but
you
could
have
parking
lots.
You
could
have
parks,
you
could
have
amenity
spaces
and
I
think
that
that
had
a
lot
of
traction
with
the
more
builder-oriented
developer-oriented
groups
that
they
can
still
use
those
spaces.
D
That's
just
not
where
you
put
in
field
that
would
block
up
the
flow
of
like
a
major
storm
event
or
a
hurricane
event,
so
that
it
still
provides
some
capacity
to
basically
let
things
flood
and
then
drain
back
out
again,
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
got
a
lot
of
traction
in
the
group,
because
it's
it's
relatively
straightforward,
implement
its
ordinance
based.
Not
the
ordinances
are
easy,
but
it's
it's
not
as
challenging,
perhaps
as
finding
the
funding
for
a
major
project
and
built.
D
You
know,
acquiring
property
and
building
a
major
project,
but
it's
also
not
incredibly
high
impact
on
the
properties
that
you
apply
them
to,
since
these
are
generally
wetland
areas,
they're
generally
buffer
areas.
Already
it's
just
trying
to
preserve,
preserve
those
efforts,
so
we
looked
at
again
narrowing
it
down
to
mostly
focusing
on
the
ugb.
D
D
It
was
noted
a
number
of
times
that
you
know
the
development
pace
that
we're
going.
It's
probably
if
we
decide
to
go
with
this
approach,
it's
better
to
do
it
sooner
than
later,
because
otherwise
you'll
run
the
risk
that
it'll
have
already
all
been
developed
before
you
buffer
it.
So
that
was
that
was
the
main
caveat
that
was
brought
up
from
kind
of
the
environmental
groups
and
the
the
more
flood
concerned
side
of
the
stakeholders,
but
basically
our
next
steps,
the
the
penny's
tributary
project.
D
That's
the
barbara
woods
project
as
we
refer
to
it
continuing
design.
We
actually
are
negotiating
our
final
design
and
permitting
task
right
now
to
bring
back
to
council
to
continue
with
that
project,
as
well
as
laying
out
some
of
our
real
estate
acquisition
budgets,
the
church
creek
on
john's
island,
tributary
and
primary
project.
D
We're
incorporating
the
knowledge
we've
gotten
from
these
into
our
water
development
reviews
to
make
sure
we
know
that
those
areas
are
currently
holding
a
lot
of
water
and
our
potentials
for
impact
if
they're
filled
in
or
if
they're,
if
the
drainage
patterns
are
changed
in
a
major
way.
There
that's
got
to
be
looked
at
as
part
of
a
development
plan.
D
Again
we
can
consider
those
for
zoning
ordinance
work,
as
the
comp
plan
goes
into
its
next
stage
and
we
start
writing
actual
ordinances
and
zoning
code
out
of
it
and
then
stream
buffering
looking
at
potentially.
If
again,
if
the
committee
is
interested
starting
drafting
ordinance
for
consideration
by
the
committee
for
doing
some
level
of
stream
buffering
on
these
major
drainage
ways
on
john's
island,
riparian
buffering
for
john's
island-
and
that
would
be,
of
course,
a
process
that
would
have
to
go
through
the
ordinance
process.
A
Mr
fellow,
let
me
ask
a
question
on
those
stream
buffers:
do
we
have
any
information
like
when
they
get
to
the
outfall?
All
those
outflow?
Outfalls
closed
I
mean
are
halfway
open
yeah,
so
the.
D
These
are
relatively
good
sized
drainage
systems.
I'm
not
saying
the
outfalls
could
certainly
use
cleaning.
That's
not!
That
is
part
of
the
reason,
of
course,
that
a
lot
of
these
have
challenges
and
we'll
back
up,
but
these
are
are
big
enough,
that
these
are
almost
streams
as
they
enter
the
river
systems,
so
they're
a
little
harder
from
a
permanent
perspective
to
get
like
a
true
cleaning,
you
could
probably
get
some
enhancement,
but
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
like
clean
clean
them
all
the
way
into
the
mark
through
the
marsh.
A
Yeah:
okay,
it's
a
good
question.
Councilman
should
so.
D
Yeah,
so
that's
what
I
look
at
the
next
steps
we
were
trying
to
kind
of
parse
it
into
manageable
bites.
The
barbary
woods
project
is
already
kind
of
an
ongoing
project,
with
some
funding
allocated
to
it
that
we
have
a
somewhat
of
a
handle
on
it's
a
very
expensive
project
as
of
the
size
of
the
project,
but
it
has
a
lot
of
we've
talked
about
that
before
at
the
committee.
It
has
a
lot
of
secondary
benefits
with
the
passive
park
feature,
so
I'm
taking
some
of
the
land
off
the
development
rules.
D
Potentially
this
stream
buffer
is,
I
mean
it's
not.
Nothing
is
zero
cost,
but
it
is
low
cost
and
that
we
can
do
it
pretty
much
at
a
staff
level
ordinance.
At
this
point,
we
have
kind
of
the
technical
backup
to
explain
why
it
would
be
necessary
from
a
stormwater
perspective.
D
Yet
of
we
have
some
very
draft
level
costing,
but
we
were
recommending
at
this
point
to
focus
on
the
existing
funded
barber
woods
project
focus
on
the
stream
buffers
which
are
again
a
very
low
cost
effort
and
then
add
the
other
two
projects
into
kind
of
the
the
handful
of
projects
that
we
have
for
potential.
Future
funding
for
concept
level
in
drainage
fund
considerations.
D
C
I
was
just
going
to
add
what
a
correct
observation
a
lot
of
work
went
into
this
and
and
thanks
to
everybody,
particularly
our
community
partners,
that
were
a
part
of
it,
and
it's
kind
of
enlightening
that
this
was
a
follow-through
on
the
recommendations
of
the
dutch
dialogues
review
of
john's
island.
So
it
just
seems
like
we
keep
moving
step
by
step
in
the
right
direction.
C
I'd
like
to
say-
and
I
I'd
certainly
concur
with
with
mr
fountain-
that
we
we
work
on
these-
the
ordinances
that
are
recommended
here
and
bring
them
back
to
this
committee.
Thank
you.
A
I
couldn't
agree
more
any
any
input
from
committee
members.
A
Good
presentation,
mr
fountain
h3
medical
district
tunnel
extension
at
earhart
street.
A
D
A
D
A
D
Thank
you
so
this
this
project
is,
I
just
want
to
bring
the
committee
up
to
speed
again
on
this
one,
as
we
do
have
our
construction
bids
in
so
the
next
public
works
utilities
committee
meeting
will
likely
bring
in
the
recommendation
for
award
of
that
construction
contract.
So
just
a
quick
refresher,
because
this
project
is
has
been
a
lot
of
places,
but
it's
a
very
important
project
before
we
see
that
come
back
to
committee
next
week
or
two
weeks
from
now.
D
So
this.
Obviously,
these
pictures
are
from
the
the
spring
fishburn
side
of
the
project,
as
well
as
our
large
existing
partner
team
here,
just
as
a
reminder
of
what
kind
of
the
earhart
project
or
the
medical
district
tunnel
extension
is.
This
was
our
concept
to
extend
the
deep
tunnel
system
from
spring
fishburn
into
the
medical
district.
You
can
see
on
the
the
graphic
here,
the
blue
lines
and
the
black
dots
are
the
spring
fishburn
project.
The
deep
tunnels
are
the
blue
lines.
D
D
Once
the
water
gets
deep
enough
in
the
earhart
basin
and
makes
the
drainage
and
those
other
basins
worse
just
for
perspective,
because
we
talked
about
it
earlier,
the
bit
the
orange
basin
immediately
to
the
west
of
the
blue
basin
is
where
the
pump
station
sits
and
operates
the
other
musc
pump
station,
so
that
does
theoretically
have
a
drainage
mechanism.
B
D
Basin
into
it
and
is
overwhelms
that
pump
station,
so
the
va
has
been
doing
some
work
in
collaboration
with
us
on
their
parcel
doing
some
improvements,
we've
been
looking
at
upfitting
that
musc
pump
station.
Then,
of
course
the
earhart
pump
station
would
help
with
the
blue.
So
we
would
get
sort
of
three
of
these
four
basins
up
to
full
efficiency
and
then
this
fourth
base-
and
we
have
some
other
ideas
to
keep
working
through-
that
location,
we'll
see
some
secondary
benefits.
D
A
D
D
So
an
at
it's
like
a
small
tunnel
that
you
build
off
of
the
primary
tunnel,
the
primary
tunnel
there
that
present
street
tunnel,
I
think,
is
a
10-foot
diameter
tunnel
that
comes
up
to
the
this
blue
line,
which
is
a
12-foot
diameter
channel
coming
to
the
outfall.
A
And
from
a
layman's
standpoint,
why
did
the
the
yellow
line
tunnel
go
that
way
versus
a
mole
west
from
you
know
that
that
that
branch
of
spring
fish
burn
that
gets
closer
to
the
orange
line.
D
A
D
Two
so
two
reasons:
that's
a
very
good
question.
If
we
were
to
come
over
to
the
the
black
dot,
the
drop
shaft,
I
think
it's
on
cherry
street
here
that's
only
and
added
a
six
foot
line
that
comes
off
of
the
main
line.
So
you
couldn't
add
this
much
area
into
that
shaft.
The
the
line
that
it's
connecting
to
is
actually
the
the
cross
tunnel,
the
primary
cross
tunnel
on
on
president
street.
It's
a
10
foot
diameter
tunnel.
D
So
it's
a
bigger
it's
a
bigger
tunnel
that
we're
tying
into
yeah
the
other
reason.
The
second
reason
is
that
the
entirety
of
the
area
we
need
in
yellow
there
is
under
musc
property,
who
is
willing
to
deed
the
easement
to
us,
which
makes
it
a
much
more
straightforward
project
to
obtain
the
easement
and
connect
through,
even
though
they're
so
deep
underground,
there's
still
an
easement,
that's
needed.
A
Excuse
me:
does
somebody
have
a
question
I
I
I
did.
Mr
chairman
go
ahead.
B
Yeah
man,
if
you
just
go
back
to
another
screen
that
we
were
just
on
yeah,
so
I'm
trying
to
get
my
orientation
on
the
blue
area,
this
27
acres.
What
can
you
tell
us
exactly
what
facility
is
this?
All
medic
university
facilities
have
been
impacted
on
this.
It
is.
D
Mostly
medical
university,
the
the
road
that
it
is
on,
though
earhart
is
one
of
the
primary
access
roads
for
the
roper
hospital
for
them
to
bring
in
deliveries
and
supplies
to
their
hospital
from
b
street,
okay.
So
the
the
dot
here,
if
you
were
to
come
just
south
of
the
dot,
the
east
west
road,
there
is
dowdy
street
where
they
have
the
greenway.
That
musc
has
built
right
and
then
earhart,
which
is
the
north
south,
is
where
the
psychiatric
hospital
is
located
and
the
emergency
room
associated
with
that
hospital.
D
It
ties
into
jonathan
lucas,
which
is
where
most
of
the
emergency
room
accesses
are
for
musc.
I
think
roper
also
has
one
of
the
emergency
room
accesses
from
back
there.
The
va
is,
is
sort
of
this
parcel
right
on
the
west
of
the
orange.
That's
the
the
va
property,
so
there's
secondary
benefits
for
the
va,
but
not
a
primary
benefit
in
this
situation.
B
D
Yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
large.
It's
a
lot.
It's
large
area,
including
a
larger,
how
they,
how
they
set
up
the
exact
and
it
could
it
could
be
I'd
have
checkouts.
It
could
be
that
they
miss
the
alignment
of
the
the
graph
there
with
the
way
it
overlaps,
the
marina.
It's
a
good
question.
That's
this
is
one
of
the
older
figures
from
2019,
it's
possible
that
they
just
kind
of
hash
that
off
a
little
bit,
but.
B
Councilmember
rappel
has
showed
me
a
plotted
area
that
showed
lots
on
the
other
side
of
lockwood
boulevard.
We
were
talking
about
buying
that
land
over
by
the
further
further
south,
I
guess
off,
and
he
should
be
the
graph
of
lots
that
were
plotted
into
the
middle
of
the
river.
So
just
this
is
kind
of
curious
that
this
district
is
considered
part
of
the
marina
area,
we're
smacking
in
in
deep
water
here
and.
D
Even
from
this
I
mean
even
from
this,
the
changing
of
the
north.
Now
right
I
mean
we
have
the
cherry
street,
has
the
parking
garage
now
and
obviously
west
edge
is
coming
up
on
the
north,
so
it's
all
kind
of
in
flux
all
the
time
as
well.
It's
a
good
good
point.
Yep.
A
Thank
you,
I
think
councilman
appeal.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
real,
quick
and
matt.
If
you're
getting
to
this
later
in
your
presentation,
I
can
certainly
wait,
but
I
was
just
curious
to
see
if
the
there
was
any
state
funding
that
was
coming
into
this
project.
You
know
considering
this
is
such
a
wonderful
benefit
to
musc
and
I
got
nothing
but
love
for
fpsc.
Please
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
you
know
as
a
public
entity.
B
I
assume
they
don't
pay
property
taxes,
and
you
know
this
is
a
really
big
effort
for
the
city
to
handle
on
its
own.
So
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
little
bit
information
on
on
some
of
the
funding
aspects
of
it.
C
So
so,
thank
you
for
that
question.
I
was
just
think
thinking
to
myself
that
I
wasn't
going
to
let
another
opportunity
go
by
without
thanking
governor
mcmaster
for
his
help
in
finalizing
the
funding
for
this.
He
originally
agreed
to
help
us
after
visiting
the
the
spring
fishburn
project
and
went
down
in
the
tunnel
and
the
year
after
that
he
actually
put
in
a
direct
request
in
the
state
budget,
but,
as
things
ended
up
working
out,
that
was
the
year
coveted
hit
and
budgets
the
budget
was
delayed
and
pushed
back
by
the
state.
C
In
the
meantime,
the
federal
funds
became
available,
but
they're
really
subject
to
state
approval,
even
though
they're
federal
funds,
so
the
governor
did
help
us
in
that
regard
in
in
supporting
our
application,
so
it
it
ended
up
being,
in
my
mind,
kind
of
a
combination.
It
it's
federal
funds,
but
we
wouldn't
have
gotten
it
without
the
state
help
so
and
the
medical
university
was
there
advocating
for
this
all
all
throughout
just
to
let
you
know.
D
D
Basically,
you
get
disaster
mitigation
money,
that's
given
as
a
grant
from
hud
at
the
federal
level
to
the
state
and
the
state
takes
applications
for
sub-grantees
from
different
different
entities
within
the
state,
so
the
city
was
successful
in
the
state,
basically
allocating
some
of
their
grant
funding
to
us
as
a
sub
grantee
for
that
disaster
mitigation
work
in
this
area-
and
I
think
in
large
part,
because
the
cost-benefit
ratio
with
the
hospital
district
enabled
us
to
score
incredibly
high
on
our
grant
application.
So
it
was
a.
D
It
was
a
good,
a
good
partnership
of
advocacy.
I
think,
as
the
mayor
was
saying,
for
the
funding
on
this
project
great,
we
did
so
we
did
complete
just
running
through
the
timeline.
We
did
complete
the
city
design
in
2020.
This
is
one
where
we
had
progressed
with
design.
D
While
we
were
looking
for
funding
options
from
the
state,
because
we
had
pretty
good
confidence
that
either
the
state
or
musc
were
going
to
find
some
ways
to
help
us
with
funding
from
discussions
with
them,
we
were
able
to
get
musc
to
dedicate
the
entire
easement
for
the
deep
tunnel
system
and
the
drop
shaft
location
on
their
property
as
gratis
easement
dedications
and
they
went.
They
went
through
the
whole
state
congressional
process
of
dedicating
easement
on
state
property
to
us
supported
us
through
that
process.
D
As
mayor
mentioned,
we
had
our
hud
application.
In
2020
we
were
awarded
our
hud
grant.
In
2021,
we
went
through
the
environmental
site
assessment
process
with
hud,
which
is
a
very
extended
process
involving
quite
a
bit
of
public
notice,
and
public
outreach
got
that
approved,
which
then
led
to
us
being
able
to
get
our
release
a
request
for
release
of
funds
approved.
A
D
There
we
go
again
just
a
quick
reminder:
medical
district.
This
is
part
of
our
hud
application,
but
the
reason
again
we
scored
so
well
was
this.
Is
this
area
employs
25
000
people
serves
400
000
patients
per
year,
including
75
000
veterans,
120
businesses
located
in
the
district,
and
then
the
hud
hud
was
interested
in
the
project
as
well,
because
25
of
the
pop
of
the
400
000
population
is
lmi
qualified.
D
Again.
This
is
a
an
overlapping
project,
because
spring
fishburn
is
also
in
construction,
which
is,
is
keeping
my
my
project,
manager's
hair
on
fire
most
of
the
time.
But
it's
it's
good.
It's
a
lot
of
good
work
going
on
in
2022
this
year.
We
should
be
completing
the
phase
four
outfall
project.
If
you've
noticed
the
box,
culverts
are
actually
now
fully
complete
and
being
back
filled
with
dirt
that
go
out
into
the
marsh.
The
concrete
work
inside
the
outfall
is
actually
here
inside.
D
The
wet
well
is
also
all
complete,
we're
targeting
a
completion
date.
This
fall
so
with
anything.
This
large,
of
course,
there's
always
the
potential
for
a
little
bit
of
slippage.
At
that
point,
the
entire
spring
fishburn
project
will
be
functional
from
a
gravity
perspective
and
you'll
be
able
to
get
water
that
flows
out,
not
as
well
as
when
the
pumps
are
built,
but
especially
at
low
tide.
D
D
Okay,
I
got
you
so
that
at
the
end
of
2022,
we'll
start
the
pump
station.
Basically,
as
phase
four
finishes
up
at
the
end
of
2023,
we
will
see
this
project
the
earhart
project
being
complete,
and
that's
when
you
would
start
seeing
drainage
occurring
in
this
27
acre
basin
is
the
end
of
2023
as
it
ties
into
that
overall
system
and
then
it
by
the
end
of
2024.
The
pumps
basically
should
be
able
to
come
online
and
enhance
that
during
larger
storms
or
very
high
tide
events.
D
A
That
was
a
good
one.
Any
final
questions
to
mr
film.
B
He
ate
so,
as
the
man
brought
out
the
other
funding
mechanism
and
that
I
know
that
this
funding
got
pretty
complicated
when
we
ran
into
a
stonewall
with
this
project.
The
whole
spring
fishburn
project
are
those
other
sources
of
revenue
available
to
us
matt
or
have
we
dried
up
all
of
those
spring
street
fish
burn
sources
of
revenue
so
for.
D
Force
for
spring
fish
burning-
this
is
a
is
a
separate
project
from
earhart.
If
we're
talking
about
just
the
deep
tunnel
spring
fishburn
project,
not
the
earhart
project,
that
project
is
197
million
roughly,
but
that
is
completely
funded
from
the
infrastructure
bank.
The
d.o.t
funding
the
tiger
grant
the
prior
city
matches
that
occurred
long
ago
to
those
grant
funds,
and
then
the
king
street
gateway
tiff
right.
B
B
Since
this,
this
extension
is
like
an
appendage
to
our
existing
tunnel
system
is
there?
Is
there
any
opportunity
to
go
back
to
those
sources
that
you
just
mentioned,
because
it
is
an
extension?
So
if
you
you're
just
taking
that
tunnel
to
another
direction
and
adding
on
to
it,
are
there
opportunities
there
to
tap
into
those
other
sources?
You
just
mentioned.
D
I
don't,
I
don't
see
the
infrastructure
bank
as
being
a
likely
source
of
additional
funds,
since
they
just
provided
that
the
extra
21.5
million
I
would
have
to
talk
to
ms
wharton
on
what
her
comfort
level
would
be
from
the
king
street
gateway
tiff
or,
if
there'd
actually
be
any
likely
residual.
D
That
tiff
is
coming
to
its
its
end
from
a
time
frame
perspective.
D
So
currently
we
have
the
10
million
dollars
from
from
hud
and
then
the
remainder
of
that
is
currently
set
up
as
being
drainage
fund
funded,
which
is
another,
and
I
have
to
check
the
exact
budget,
roughly
seven
million
dollars
of
additional
money
to
get
through
the
existing
design,
work,
construction,
work,
the
cei
work
and
then
have
the
project.
Contingency.
B
D
No,
absolutely
that's,
certainly
what
we
we've
tried
to
do
with
the
the
hud
funding
to
at
least
find
that
10
million
dollars
to
bring
into
the
sort
of
the
city
project
offers,
but
you're
right,
we're
still
we're
still
contributing,
certainly
a
significant
portion
of
city
money.
In
addition
to
that,.
A
Any
any
mr
mayor.
C
So
this
last
slide
is
is
very
deceptive
in
a
way
because
of
how
complicated
it
was
for
all
of
this
to
fall
together.
At
the
same
time-
and
I
I
want
to
thank
matt
and
frank
and
steve
on
on
pulling
this
needle
through
the
finding
this
needle
in
the
haystack
and
making
all
this
work
in
the
city
and
city
council
approved
this.
But
I
just
want
to
remind
all
of
us
that
you
know
we.
We
took
a
little
risk
on
this
one.
C
Normally
in
our
capital
projects,
we
don't
spend
the
money
to
get
all
the
engineering
and
design
done
before
you
know
having
the
money
for
the
project,
but
in
this
case
feeling
that
we
had
a
good
chance
to
get
this
hud
grant
and
with
the
support
of
the
governor
and
knowing
the
timing
of
spring
fish
burn,
it
was
important
to
try
to
you
know,
move
this
forward
because
we're
connecting
to
a
tunnel
that
soon
is
going
to
be
wet
and-
and
so
this
council
approved
that
funding
for
us
to
proceed
to
get
the
engineering
design
work.
C
A
I
have
to
agree
more.
I
couldn't
agree
more,
I'm
telling
you,
especially
when
you're
already
running
with
the
you
know
this
project
mammoth
side,
the
spring
fish
burn
you
want
to.
You
want
to
add
on
to
it.
I
won't
say
at
the
last
minute,
but
certainly
one
plan
years
in
advance
to
do
that.
So
that
was
a
pretty
nice
pivot.
Right
then
say
the
least
mr
fountain.
A
Let
me
ask
this:
we've
got
a
little
housekeeping
to
do.
I
need
to
go
back
to
find
out
who
made
the
motion
on
h1,
which
was
king,
huge's
broad
project
the
apply
for
the
7.1.
A
A
All
right
good,
because
everybody
voted
in
favor
of
it.
Let
me
ask
something
else:
we
have.
A
We've
expanded
this
committee
to
six
and
I
think
we've
got
two
attorneys
on
here.
Mr
mcqueeney
and
beshear
three
attorneys.
A
A
Thinking
about
that,
I
know
man,
that's
a
lot
of
power.
I
think
I'm
gonna
reach
out
to
mr
mcqueen
first,
if
he
has
anything
to
address
on
that.
B
I
I
apologize
for
worrying
what
was
the
question
about
expanding
to
six
right
and
what
was
the
question,
though?
I
know
you
have
expanded,
I
mean
do.
A
We
need
to
take
a
vote
on
that
council
need
to
take
a
vote
on
what.
C
A
C
A
B
I
believe
let
me
check
the
I
remember
seeing
this
in
the
in
the
minutes
from
last
meeting,
I
think
there
were
five
people
proposed
to
be
on
the
committee
and
then
one
was
sort
of
a
it
was
subject
to
the
increase,
but
let
me
double
check
the
minutes.
From
last
meeting,
I'm
almost
positive.
C
If
you
just
go
by
the
way
we
listed
the
individuals
on
the
committee
with
all
due
respect
to
councilmember
bowden,
he
would
not
be
a
voting
member
until
we
approve
the
ordinance
okay,
which
will
be
at
our
next
meeting.
I
don't
think
I
communicated
to
that
to
council
member
about,
and
I
apologize
for
that.
A
C
Chairman,
I
did
have
one
request,
given
that
this
matter
will
be
of
particular
importance
to
public
works
in
our
city,
and
we
have
a
couple
of
new
members.
C
This
committee
got
an
update
or
two
last
year
about
the
relocation
of
our
public
works
facilities,
and
it
has
been
going
through
our
procurement
process
to
hire.
You
know
some
a
consultant
to
help
us
with
the
space
needs
and
then
also
an
architectural
firm
to
help
us
with
design
of
the
future
facility.
C
I
thought
it
would
be
appropriate
to
to
go
ahead
and
ask
mr
o'brien,
and
maybe
have
him,
ask
edmund
most
to
join
us
and
give
us
an
update
on
that,
but
but
then
honestly,
I'd
like
to
ask
them
to
give
us
like
a
quarterly
update,
because
over
the
next
year
and
a
half,
this
will
be
unfolding,
and
I
think
of
him
of
particular
importance
to
our
city
and
its
staff.
As
we
determine
you
know
what
we're
going
to
build
where
to
to
future
house
all
of
our
public
works
facilities.
A
I
agree
with
all
of
that.
I
I,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
how
long
do
we
have
in
the
current
location
we
have
of
our
public
works
up
on
magnolia.
C
So
so
the
way
the
agreement
works,
they
they
can
give
us
a
three-year
notice
and
we
have
to
be
out.
They
have
not
given
us
that
notice
yet
and
and
they're
very
cooperative
with
us,
but
I
felt
it
was
incumbent
upon
us
to
get
moving
because
they're
gonna
start
coming
out
of
the
ground
next
year.
Finally,
and
and
the
clock
is
ticking,
so
they
hadn't
given
us
notice
yet,
but
I
I
I
just
felt
it
was
time
for
us
to
get
get
going
on
this.
A
Hurricane
prone
region,
so
it's
not
a
lot
of
time.
B
A
Great
thanks
a
lot
any
final
items
that
come
before
the
committee
hearing,
none
by
acclimation
we
stand
adjourned.
Thank
you
very.